TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?

[brokebackjack]

Lureen, Artiste, becomes increasingly bitter and disappointed due to her marriage with a man who just wants to be her buddy. She wants to be proud of Jack yet...remember the scene in the film where the young Lureen is at her desk and the 2 ranchers  are there buying a tractor? They see Jack and mock him. She gives up something at that point.

Also Lureen's increasing sadness is shown by her HAIR. When jack meets her she is a spontaneous fun loving Texas Rodeo Queen. NO hair color. By the time of the scene I described, she has traces of blonde...she is becoming bitter, closing down. The blonder she gets,m the more dissapointed she is. The heavier her makeup, the heavier her MASK.

That mask slips during the telephone call and the REAL Lureen comes out, the spontaneous girl who loved Jack but was not loved in return.

She is as big a victim of rural homophobia as Jack and zEnnis

[brokeplex]

She is as big a victim of rural homophobia as Jack and zEnnis

exactly, the families, and loved ones of men and women forced into the closet by homophobia rural or otherwise are also victims.

[Artiste]

Thanks brokeplex, thanks brokenbackjack!!

Brokeplex, quoting you:

exactly, the families, and loved ones of men and women forced into the closet by homophobia rural or otherwise are also victims.

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Brokeplex, so you think then that Jack was indeed in the closet with Lureen??
Do you consider Lureen too in the closet? How?? With or without Jack??

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Brokebackjack, quoting you:

Lureen, Artiste, becomes increasingly bitter and disappointed due to her marriage with a man who just wants to be her buddy. She wants to be proud of Jack yet...remember the scene in the film where the young Lureen is at her desk and the 2 ranchers  are there buying a tractor? They see Jack and mock him. She gives up something at that point.

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Brokebackjack, so you think what she gives up then??

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Hugs, hugs!!

[brokebackjack]

she gives up a young woman's  hopes for the man she loves, and begins to die inside.

[brokeplex]

Brokeplex, so you think then that Jack was indeed in the closet with Lureen??

Well the smart thing would have been for Jack to let her know at some point in time. I am convinced now that Lureen was pregnant with someone elses baby when she married Jack. The marriage was shall we say arranged. But I don't think that the film or the ss support the notion that Jack told Lureen about his sexuality.

[brokebackjack]

Really? I never felt she was already knocked up. What I got--offtopic though it may be, is there a Lureen thread???-- is that HE did the deed.

What Lureen wanted, Lureen got.

[brokeplex]

Really? I never felt she was already knocked up. What I got--offtopic though it may be, is there a Lureen thread???-- is that HE did the deed.

What Lureen wanted, Lureen got.

"open forum / was Lureen pregnant when she married Jack? "

[Brown Eyes]

is there a Lureen thread???--

Yes, the current TOTW certainly addresses the topic of Lureen.

But, there's also this older thread where some really great discussions have happened about not only Lureen but the other female characters as well.

Female Sexuality in BBM
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,8654.0.html

[Artiste]

Thanks brokebackjack!

To quote you about Lureen when she heard those two men talk about her husband:

she gives up a young woman's  hopes for the man she loves, and begins to die inside.

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Brokebackjack, May I say that that, as you say may well be so, and is, but something can also be added to that!! Firstly, she does continue her marriage!! Also, her love for Jack begins to die, how?? Please explain.

I think that if she saved Jack's life since she knows that he was murdered, she keep that secret, and to whom?? -That remains to be proven, and also is likely connected to another secret about herself mainly!!

Brokebackjack and all others too, how is Lureen's love for Jack diminished or begins to die (if you think that is so as extinguishing),

hugs!

[brokebackjack]

No Artiste, I don't think her love begins to die. I think her HOPES start to die and that is something very different.