Author Topic: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please  (Read 23468 times)

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« on: June 14, 2008, 07:18:44 pm »
No spoilers in this thread, please.  There is a "Spoilers welcome" thread on The Dark Knight in the Heath Remembrance forum here.

(reviews, etc., that don't give away plot details are certainly fine here)

There are some threads about The Dark Knight over in the Rembrance Forum, but I thought it might be nice to have one here too, so the movie details could be discussed by those interested, without interfering with the discussion of more personal feelings/reactions about the movie in relation to Heath's death.

This was posted on imdb:

Ledger Tribute Planned For Premiere
From wenn.com | See recent WENN news
10 June 2008 6:43 PM, PDT

The premiere of Heath Ledger's final complete film will be dedicated to the actor - and his family will be the special guests at the event.

The actor's family will make the trip from Australia back to New York, the city where the star died from an accidental overdose in January, for the screening of Batman Begins sequel The Dark Knight on 14 July.

Christopher Nolan, the film's director, has also created a memoriam to the actor, which will be shown at the end of the movie.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2008, 05:15:15 pm by BelAir »
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline Brown Eyes

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,375
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2008, 08:07:34 pm »

This is a good idea for a Culture Tent thread BelAir. :)

It's really nice to hear that the premiere will focus a lot on memorial efforts for Heath.  It certainly sounds like an appropriate way to handle the premiere, which I'm sure will be an extremely bittersweet event... and definitely different from typical premieres.

I'll be interested to hear more about how it all goes.  And, I'd be really fascinated to see the memorium that Nolan made too.

the world was asleep to our latent fuss - bowie

Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 01:15:39 am »
I agree, good idea.My sons and husband are going to see it. I don't think I will though.A bit too raw at the moment.

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 09:55:17 am »


"The most fun I ever had--probably will ever have a character--"

"I knew five seconds later exactly how to play it."


 Heath Ledger talks about the Joker (1:48)
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKa-aDga1fE&feature=related[/youtube]


"You'll have to wait and see."

"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2008, 10:00:27 am »



"Here's my card."


 The Dark Knight (2:30)
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8PPh-C9pRU[/youtube]


"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 11:08:24 am »


"Here's my card."


 The Dark Knight (2:30)
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8PPh-C9pRU[/youtube]




Oh!  I had not seen that particular trailer yet!  Lots of Joker in there!  I didn't see one element of 'Heath' or 'Ennis.'  I may be in the minority, but I am excited for the movie.  I have always been a Batman movie fan and I think Heath is going to be absolutely amazing.

One thing I'm not sure about re: the plot is whether Harvey Dent is a good guy or bad guy.
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2008, 11:47:37 am »
I may be in the minority, but I am excited for the movie.

I cannot wait!

I think Heath is going to be absolutely amazing.

Genius.

One thing I'm not sure about re: the plot is whether Harvey Dent is a good guy or bad guy.

I have always hated Aaron Eckhart, but that's just me.

On the otherhand, I love Maggie Gyllenhaal, and I think she looks terrific!

How--eerie, though, she and Heath are together in this movie. Eerie and sad....



I didn't see one element of 'Heath' or 'Ennis.'

To me, "We're tonight's entertainment," sounds a bit Ennis-Heathian, but

"Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen," "Hello, Beautiful!" and
"Kill the Batman."

are NOT Heath or Ennis, but channeled from Elsewhere and pure Genius.



Again, cannot wait. Thanks for starting the thread!

 ;D
« Last Edit: June 15, 2008, 01:59:48 pm by jmmgallagher »
"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2008, 12:31:16 pm »

I will also say (in re the youtube interview, Heath Ledger talks about the Joker:
"The most fun I ever had--probably will ever have a character--")

Heath never looked so young, so vulnerable, and so himself, as in this short outtake (1:48!) and I'm grateful that it exists.

So sad, though.

 :(


"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline Brown Eyes

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,375
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2008, 12:48:32 pm »

I'm simultaneously excited about seeing TDK and apprehensive about it.  I feel like dealing with this film in the wake of Heath's passing will be particularly difficult for me at least... even with the trailers that I've started to see more and more on TV, etc.  I have this simultaneous reaction of excitement and nervous-apprehension. 

the world was asleep to our latent fuss - bowie

Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2008, 01:02:20 pm »
I'm simultaneously excited about seeing TDK and apprehensive about it.  I feel like dealing with this film in the wake of Heath's passing will be particularly difficult for me at least... even with the trailers that I've started to see more and more on TV, etc.  I have this simultaneous reaction of excitement and nervous-apprehension. 



Me too, I know I have said it before, and I know it is pure genius, but I cannot see or Hear Heath at all in the trailers I have seen.Where did that voice come from.?
He was never the same in any 2 movies.I look at other actors, even Michael Caine, he still looks and sounds himself. Heath on the other hand makes a Chameleon look like an amateur. What a terrible terrible waste.

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2008, 12:15:23 pm »
Warner Bros. executives have consulted the Ledger family "every step of the way" about how Heath will appear in trailers and posters for "The Dark Knight."  Kudos to Warner Bros.

And speaking of movie posters:




Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2008, 01:19:14 pm »
More posters:




Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2008, 01:23:16 pm »
More posters:




Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2008, 01:29:08 pm »
More posters:




Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2008, 01:41:17 pm »
More posters:




Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2008, 01:42:23 pm »
More posters:



« Last Edit: June 23, 2008, 08:56:40 pm by Fran »

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2008, 01:43:43 pm »
More posters:



Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2008, 06:41:54 pm »
Fran - WOW!

Thanks for all the posters.
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2008, 07:13:17 pm »
I still find it so odd to see the name Ledger on the same poster as Gyllenhal. I will find it even harder if it turns out that his 2 best performances were both with a Gyllenhaal.
I am sure Jake will be somewhere in the mix to see his sister.It could so easily have been a time when we saw Jake and Heath together.Albeit under slightly different circumstances.

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2008, 09:17:21 pm »
Fran - WOW!

Thanks for all the posters.

You're welcome.   :)

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2008, 09:31:44 pm »
More posters:




Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2008, 09:32:31 pm »
More posters:




Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2008, 09:33:08 pm »
More posters:




Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2008, 09:34:31 pm »
More posters:




Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2008, 09:35:08 pm »
And:


Offline Ellemeno

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 15,367
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2008, 03:04:44 am »
Whew! 

Offline Brown Eyes

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,375
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2008, 10:04:42 am »

I still find it so hard to look at those posters that have all the actors' names listed.  Seeing "Ledger" and "Gyllenhaal" on another, non-BBM movie poster and having it be a different Gyllenhaal is just uncanny and surreal.  Also, that this is obviously such a dark movie with Heath all dressed up in that disturbing make-up... these posters and previews really are a bit of a "Twilight Zone' experience for me at this point.

the world was asleep to our latent fuss - bowie

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2008, 10:28:22 am »
My sincerest apologies to anyone who finds these movie posters hard to take.  Believe me, it wasn't my intention to upset anyone.  I did hesitate before posting the more disturbing ones but proceeded anyway -- probably for no other reason than to present a complete set. 

Offline Brown Eyes

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,375
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2008, 11:10:16 am »
My sincerest apologies to anyone who finds these movie posters hard to take.  Believe me, it wasn't my intention to upset anyone.  I did hesitate before posting the more disturbing ones but proceeded anyway -- probably for no other reason than to present a complete set. 

Hi Fran,
I didn't mean to say that I'm offended by seeing the posters.  The imagery doesn't upset me... it's just the whole context of the situation that's just surreal to me.  I mean thinking about TDK, Heath and the Gyllenhaals, etc.  As I mentioned, seeing the names Ledger and Gyllenhaal together again on a poster is one of the most surreal aspects of the whole thing.

I'm perfectly happy to see the posters.  I'm as curious as anyone about all of this.


the world was asleep to our latent fuss - bowie

Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2008, 03:12:11 pm »
You have not offended me either.As I posted earlier it is the odd situation of seein the name Ledger on a poster with Gyllenhaal.

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2008, 03:28:55 pm »
Thanks for the feedback, Amanda and Fiona.

I guess the variety of TDK posters shows one of the differences between big-budget and small-budget films.  Oh, the things one can do with a large advertising budget....

In the meantime, things are hopping on eBay, too.  :)

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2008, 03:38:23 pm »
The first actual bona fide in-depth review of TDK that I've seen:


http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/16155928/review/21477208/the_dark_knight



Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2008, 04:12:21 pm »
The first actual bona fide in-depth review of TDK that I've seen:

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/16155928/review/21477208/the_dark_knight

Thanks for posting the link, Mikaela.

This part was great to read:

I can only speak superlatives of Ledger, who is mad-crazy-blazing brilliant as the Joker. Miles from Jack Nicholson's broadly funny take on the role in Tim Burton's 1989 Batman, Ledger takes the role to the shadows, where even what's comic is hardly a relief. No plastic mask for Ledger; his face is caked with moldy makeup that highlights the red scar of a grin, the grungy hair and the yellowing teeth of a hound fresh out of hell. To the clown prince of crime, a knife is preferable to a gun, the better to "savor the moment."

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2008, 04:19:46 pm »
I posted my favourite parts in the Heath heath Heath thread.  :)

They included the bits about joining a posthumous Oscar campaign... and the mention of "a Joker for the ages". 

Offline Lynne

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 9,291
  • "The world's always ending." --Ianto Jones
    • Elizabeth Warren for Massachusetts
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2008, 04:26:21 pm »
Hey there, Fran!

I like your Wayne Gretsky quote!

"Skate to where the puck is going, not to where it's been."

I used to have one of his in my signature too:

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

And to echo others...I think these TDK posters are surreal and bizarre and also great in a bittersweet way.
"Laß sein. Laß sein."

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2008, 06:15:35 pm »
And to echo others...I think these TDK posters are surreal and bizarre and also great in a bittersweet way.

I agree.  I think "bittersweet" is the perfect word here.

After reading the Rolling Stone review, I'm really looking forward to The Dark Knight.

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2008, 07:01:17 pm »

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/16155928/review/21477208/the_dark_knight

From Rolling Stone:

"The Joker represents the last completed role for Ledger, who died in January at 28 before finishing work on Terry Gilliam's The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus. It's typical of Ledger's total commitment to films as diverse as Brokeback Mountain and I'm Not There that he does nothing out of vanity or the need to be liked. If there's a movement to get him the first posthumous Oscar since Peter Finch won for 1976's Network, sign me up. Ledger's Joker has no gray areas — he's all rampaging id. Watch him crash a party and circle Rachel, a woman torn between Bale's Bruce (she knows he's Batman) and Eckhart's DA, another lover she has to share with his civic duty. "Hello, beautiful," says the Joker, sniffing Rachel like a feral beast. He's right when he compares himself to a dog chasing a car: The chase is all. The Joker's sadism is limitless, and the masochistic delight he takes in being punched and bloodied to a pulp would shame the Marquis de Sade. "I choose chaos," says the Joker, and those words sum up what's at stake in The Dark Knight."

"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2008, 07:26:30 am »



Christian Bale talks parenting, privacy and “kindred spirit” Heath Ledger in the new issue of Parade. Here are some great excerpts:

Your co-star Heath Ledger, who plays The Joker, died tragically after the film wrapped. Do you mind talking about him?
No, listen, I want to talk about Heath. When you miss somebody, you want to speak about him. He was a unique character, a very infectious character. He was a good man, and I was glad to have spent time with him. He was somebody who I’d been seeing on a daily basis for months. It takes a long time to accept that someone’s gone, when all body and mind are telling you that this is somebody you will know for a great deal of time. He was something of a kindred spirit to myself.

It must be difficult.
Much of it has to do with my respect for his daughter, whom he loved so dearly and whom he would talk about so often. For me, that is of incredible importance. I hope in a small way that The Dark Knight can be a celebration of his work. Not like the hideous circus after he died, which I felt was an invasion of a private life. This movie is not a personal home video. This is what he did. I hope people will embrace that in the correct fashion.




http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/06/25/christian-bale-parade/

and

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/christian_bale_media_after_hea.html

"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2008, 09:24:22 am »


Christian Bale talks parenting, privacy and “kindred spirit” Heath Ledger in the new issue of Parade. Here are some great excerpts:

Your co-star Heath Ledger, who plays The Joker, died tragically after the film wrapped. Do you mind talking about him?
No, listen, I want to talk about Heath. When you miss somebody, you want to speak about him. He was a unique character, a very infectious character. He was a good man, and I was glad to have spent time with him. He was somebody who I’d been seeing on a daily basis for months. It takes a long time to accept that someone’s gone, when all body and mind are telling you that this is somebody you will know for a great deal of time. He was something of a kindred spirit to myself.

It must be difficult.
Much of it has to do with my respect for his daughter, whom he loved so dearly and whom he would talk about so often. For me, that is of incredible importance. I hope in a small way that The Dark Knight can be a celebration of his work. Not like the hideous circus after he died, which I felt was an invasion of a private life. This movie is not a personal home video. This is what he did. I hope people will embrace that in the correct fashion.




http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/06/25/christian-bale-parade/

and

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/christian_bale_media_after_hea.html



I love the fact that he says when you miss someone you want to talk about them.I know he knew Heath in a much more "real " sense,but isn't that what we all here do.We miss him so we want to talk about him. Then he says it takes a long time to accept someone has gone, I will definitely agree with that as well.

It is also so lovely hearing from someone who was with him a fair amount,mention how often he talked about his daughter,not that we didn't know that anyawy. I almost feel vindicated by what he says and no longer feel so silly for missing him so much. Mr Bale has gained enormous admiration from me, for just a few , but oh so well voiced words.

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2008, 12:09:16 pm »
Tickets went on sale online at my local IMAX today.

I am going to try to go the midnight showing, provided I can find someone to go with me.

Otherwise, I'll be going the following afternoon.
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline Shasta542

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 7,999
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2008, 12:24:12 pm »
Heath Ledger delivers brilliantly as the Joker:

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx/?news=320738&GT1=7701
"Gettin' tired of your dumbass missin'!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2008, 03:28:08 pm »
I think I like these three the best....













"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2008, 03:38:15 pm »


Heath is in my neighborhood
(on the East side of Manhattan, on the corner of First and Fifty-fourth....)





 
"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2008, 06:34:02 pm »
Thank you for the picture, John. Strange that all this time has passed and now we're here with the premiere of the film just around the corner....


Here's the link to a site that has 12 official actual clips from TDK. Not very much Joker here, - just 2 clips where he's to be seen - but there's lots Batman and Harvey Dent, though. And lots Maggie Gyllenhaal. I can never remember her name in the film.  :blush:

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=221&task=videodirectlink&id=1216

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2008, 09:04:24 pm »
Here's the link to a site that has 12 official actual clips from TDK. Not very much Joker here, - just 2 clips where he's to be seen - but there's lots Batman and Harvey Dent, though. And lots Maggie Gyllenhaal. I can never remember her name in the film.  :blush:

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=221&task=videodirectlink&id=1216

Wow!!!!!!  Thank you, Mikaela.  This is going to be one awesome movie!

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2008, 09:37:49 pm »
Thank you for the picture, John. Strange that all this time has passed and now we're here with the premiere of the film just around the corner....


Here's the link to a site that has 12 official actual clips from TDK. Not very much Joker here, - just 2 clips where he's to be seen - but there's lots Batman and Harvey Dent, though. And lots Maggie Gyllenhaal. I can never remember her name in the film.  :blush:

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=221&task=videodirectlink&id=1216

It's Rachel....  (Rachel Dawes maybe?)
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline oilgun

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,564
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2008, 09:43:30 pm »
You've got to watch this amazing review of TDK:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MaCvXE5KA[/youtube]

Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2008, 10:04:26 pm »
You've got to watch this amazing review of TDK:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MaCvXE5KA[/youtube]

Wow, I have yet to read or hear a bad review of Heath.I am trying to watch BBM on Bravo, with big chunks missing, why is TV so censored here??
At te same time I am reading all these amazing reviews of TDK and in particular Heath, and I can't stop crying.OMG what a terrible waste.Will this sense of loss ever go.
Comming up for 6/12 and it is no easier, in fact with TDK advertised and reviewed everywhere it seems t be getting worse.

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2008, 10:53:05 pm »
You've got to watch this amazing review of TDK:


Another wow!  Thanks, Gil.

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2008, 06:52:22 am »
Wow! Thank you, Oilgun.  :) That was a fantastic review - from someone who went into the film as a sceptic and came out as a true believer. If I had time I'd transcribe everything he says about Heath down on paper and into the Heath Heath Heath thread. So much praise!


There's just no justice in the world when Heath isn't here to hear all the praise and get all the accolades.  :-\


Of course I get really worried when it comes to my own enjoyment of all this when the man said "If you didn't like "batman Begins, you may not like this one" - since in fact, I thought BB was a long unengaging yawn with oversimplified psychology and over the top yet boring villainy that just went on and on and oooon.
I readily agree about what he said about Katie Holmes in BB, though - so I'm sure Maggie Gyllenhaal vindicates the Rachel character and makes her interesting.

Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2008, 12:41:49 pm »
Wow! Thank you, Oilgun.  :) That was a fantastic review - from someone who went into the film as a sceptic and came out as a true believer. If I had time I'd transcribe everything he says about Heath down on paper and into the Heath Heath Heath thread. So much praise!


There's just no justice in the world when Heath isn't here to hear all the praise and get all the accolades.  :-\


Of course I get really worried when it comes to my own enjoyment of all this when the man said "If you didn't like "batman Begins, you may not like this one" - since in fact, I thought BB was a long unengaging yawn with oversimplified psychology and over the top yet boring villainy that just went on and on and oooon.
I readily agree about what he said about Katie Holmes in BB, though - so I'm sure Maggie Gyllenhaal vindicates the Rachel character and makes her interesting.

There is no justice  the world, how I agree with your statement. For the 1st time ever I really find myself desperately wanting to belive in an afterlife, where Heath is looking down thinking, damn those are good reviews.He of course would have seen flaws as he always did.

Offline McNell

  • Brokeback Got Me Good
  • *****
  • Posts: 290
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2008, 01:12:01 pm »
You've got to watch this amazing review of TDK:



WOW!!  FANTASTIC!!

thank you

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2008, 07:57:08 pm »
Another very positive, thorough review. This one has more on the themes and filmatic structures and character development of the movie, in addition to praise to all involved and especially to Heath. (Yes, the Oscar nomination is mentioned here too.)

I didn't see any very specific spoilers here, but obviouly in such a lengthy piece on the film there may be info that everyone didn't know before.

Well worth the read: http://emanuellevy.com/article.php?articleID=10176

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2008, 08:10:13 pm »
I posted this image over in the HHH thread, too - but I'm re-posting here because it fits here, of course, and because it bears repeating for more reasons than one (ahem) and moreoever it made me realize what an enormous amount of fanfic will be written (and probably already has been written) based on this pair.

That thought more than anything made me realize what a big fandom event this is.... Not having cared much for the whole batman thing, the fandom magnitude hasn't really sunk in for me - I've only been in this for Heath.

Isn't there an urgency and tension here that, however different the setting and the emotions, almost gives off reunion vibes?  :o  Can almost hear the Joker hissing "Bat f*cking Wayne!"    :o Yup, fanfic material sure enough.

« Last Edit: July 16, 2008, 05:19:11 pm by Mikaela »

Offline Artiste

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 15,998
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2008, 11:02:42 am »
Heath's The Dark Knight is now out in the cinema, yesterday or presently !

Many of you were very negative against me that since Heath has now passed away, that there should be no more movies would be made with him in it, because I wanted more films made with him in it !!

Now, that it is out, will you see it ?

My one face will ?

Au revoir,
hugs!

Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2008, 12:34:16 am »
Heath's The Dark Knight is now out in the cinema, yesterday or presently !

Many of you were very negative against me that since Heath has now passed away, that there should be no more movies would be made with him in it, because I wanted more films made with him in it !!

Now, that it is out, will you see it ?

My one face will ?

Au revoir,
hugs!

I think people were not against seeing movies with Heath in which had already been made but not yet  released,eg TDK  and the imaginarium. I could be wrong but what some people myself included could not cope with was a follow up BBM or indeed any other movie that Heath had made with someone other than him, playing the role.
That was certainly the problem for me.There could never be a BBM2, BBM belongs fully to Heath and always will.
I am unsure about seeing TDK.Part of me wants to see it because all the reviews have been amazing.Part of me doesn't because I will be watching a film,starring Heath, but released after his death.I am very unsure of what I will do.
I even find the trailers painful and am sure when all the press junkets start rolling, It will be even more painful.No Heath talking about his own role,only others talking about him in it.
I know he hated that side of his job, but he accepted it and I would have loved to see him as part of the promotion.

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #56 on: June 30, 2008, 05:32:00 am »
OK, here's another lengthy and thorouh analysis and review of TDK. (Todd Gilchrist, IGN Movies).

http://movies.ign.com/articles/884/884876p1.html

It's two pages of nothing but praise, with a 5 out of 5 star rating, and states that "The Dark Knight qualifies as the first official comic book adaptation that truly succeeds in being a great artistic achievement in its own right."

Very well worth the read!

And I'll go post his praise for Heath in the HHH thread.  :)


Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #57 on: June 30, 2008, 09:12:32 am »
OK, here's another lengthy and thorouh analysis and review of TDK. (Todd Gilchrist, IGN Movies).

http://movies.ign.com/articles/884/884876p1.html

It's two pages of nothing but praise, with a 5 out of 5 star rating, and states that "The Dark Knight qualifies as the first official comic book adaptation that truly succeeds in being a great artistic achievement in its own right."

Very well worth the read!

And I'll go post his praise for Heath in the HHH thread.  :)



Mikaela, unexpectedly, I found myself on the verge of tears after reading that review.

 ???

Thanks for posting it.  [I was sort of starting to wonder if I would still want to see the movie in three weeks after being SOOO excited so far in advance and reading all about it in the upcoming weeks.  After that review, well, I think I'll still want to see it just fine.]
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline Artiste

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 15,998
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #58 on: June 30, 2008, 10:28:45 am »
At least, Heath is still like alive by this new film !

And that is something...

Offline Artiste

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 15,998
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #59 on: June 30, 2008, 10:34:52 am »
Merci optom !

I respect Heath for making his choices of roles as an actor !

He did not want to do Ennis, but after his then girlfriend mentioned it to be a good role, Heath excelled in it! And surely, he was not unhappy having done it !

Why he did The Dark Night ? I can guess. Do you ?

At least, he did it !  Did he want to change his mind once he started it, is that so ?


Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2008, 01:00:45 pm »
OK, here's another lengthy and thorouh analysis and review of TDK. (Todd Gilchrist, IGN Movies).

http://movies.ign.com/articles/884/884876p1.html

It's two pages of nothing but praise, with a 5 out of 5 star rating, and states that "The Dark Knight qualifies as the first official comic book adaptation that truly succeeds in being a great artistic achievement in its own right."

Very well worth the read!

And I'll go post his praise for Heath in the HHH thread.  :)



Wow !!
There seems to be no superlatives for Heath's performance that have not been used.
 My heart aches for his family comming over for the premier and seeing their beloved Heath completely mesmerise the audience.Which it seems he will do.
We all feel so bad,How on earth they will feel is beyond anything I can imagine.
It is wonderful that his last full performance is obviously sheer genius, but it is simultaneously so desperately tragic that we will see no more.
I will remain sceptical about an Oscar, simply because he got such incredible rave reviews for BBM and quite rightly so, yet no Oscar.Will it be any different this time,I wonder.
It would be lovely for Matilda, but too late for Heath.I am so conflicted about it all.

Offline Artiste

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 15,998
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #61 on: June 30, 2008, 08:13:03 pm »
You're wonderful top show such realism, as surealism, Heath, so that we can protect ourselves against terror !!

Offline LauraGigs

  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,447
    • My Design Portfolio
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2008, 04:45:49 pm »
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Movies/story?id=5287395&page=1

Holy Conundrum Batman! How Does Blockbuster Handle Star's Death?
Heath Ledger's Joker Already Generating Oscar Buzz Before Movie's Opening

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2008, 07:00:02 pm »
I was browsing for Joker stuff today, and here are some things I found...









"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2008, 12:00:42 pm »
Aaron Eckhart (Harvey Dent/Two Face in TDK) was on Jay Leno last night.  I recorded it on my DVR... Jay called the movie "best picture of the year" and Aaron had lovely things to say about Heath...  I tried to find a youtube clip with no luck, so I guess I'll transcribe and report back...
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2008, 12:22:30 pm »
I transcribed the relevant parts and posted on the HHH thread.

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,1179.msg385712.html#msg385712
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight
« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2008, 09:24:15 am »
This is a new review for me.  Interesting, I thought.  Has some new info on the movie, though not truly spoilers, imo.

I'll post the section about The Joker.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080712/ap_en_re/film_review_the_dark_knight

Review: `Dark Knight' nearly lives up to the hype

By CHRISTY LEMIRE, AP Movie Critic


Nolan was wise enough, however, to give Ledger plenty of room to shine — albeit in the actor's indelibly perverse, twisted way. There's nothing cartoony about his Joker. Ledger wrested the role from previous performers Cesar Romero and Jack Nicholson and reinvented it completely.

Yes, he's funny, wringing laughs from both clever one-liners and maniacally grand schemes. He can be playful, finding unexpected avenues into the character: "You complete me," he purrs to Batman, mockingly borrowing Tom Cruise's classic line from "Jerry Maguire" and dashing all possibilities for the Caped One's imminent retirement.

But because there's no logic behind his mayhem, he's also truly terrifying. The terror he inflicts on Gotham is meticulously planned (the opening bank heist, shot with IMAX cameras, is a marvel of timing) and yet his sole inspiration is to create chaos, then watch the city squirm and burn.

That his attacks grow larger each time, regardless of the collateral damage, makes him so genuinely disturbing. Ledger seems to have understood that, and brings an appropriate — and riveting — unpredictability to the role. It's also a neat touch that his makeup, which looked like a slapdash effort from the start, steadily deteriorates, streaking, cracking and peeling away as the film progresses; it's an outward manifestation of his psychological spiral.

"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline MaineWriter

  • Bettermost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,042
  • Stay the course...
    • Bristlecone Pine Press
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2008, 11:59:37 am »
from the New York Times:

July 12, 2008
Holy Cameo, Batman! It’s a Senator!
By PAM BELLUCK




The senior senator from Vermont is in a large room packed with people when an unruly citizen bursts in making loud, unreasonable demands.

Anyone can see that a gavel to order is not going to work with this joker. He’s harassing people, and he’s got a gun.

The senator steps forward. “We’re not intimidated by you thugs,” he says. The man, saying, “You remind me of my father — I hated my father,” grabs the senator’s head, and thrusts a knife to his face. The senator freezes, eyes wide.

Not your typical Capitol Hill brouhaha. No, this scene is pure Hollywood, straight out of the new Batman movie, “The Dark Knight.” But that really is the senior senator from Vermont: Patrick J. Leahy — Democrat, Judiciary Committee chairman and lifelong Batman fan — has a cameo in the film and gets to be held at knifepoint by Heath Ledger’s Joker.

Bam! Kapow! Biff!

“No matter what they say, I don’t wear tights or a cape or a mask,” Mr. Leahy said in a phone interview. “Not that kind of movie. Not that kind of guy. My wife would have killed me.”

The 68-year-old six-term senator says he has been big on Batman since he was 4, when, one Sunday after Mass, his parents stopped at a little drugstore in Montpelier, Vt., his hometown, and bought him a comic book for 10 cents.

“I can vaguely picture it,” Mr. Leahy reminisced. “One of the scenes had Bruce Wayne down in the Bat Cave to work on the Batmobile.”

Batman became his favorite superhero because “he has no superpowers,” Mr. Leahy said. “He had to use his own brains and his own knowledge. He could have had an entirely different life. As a billionaire, he could have done anything.”

Mr. Leahy had a nonspeaking cameo in the 1997 film “Batman and Robin,” did a voice-over for the part of a governor in a Batman cartoon, and wrote the prefaces for a “Batman” anthology and a Batman comic book about the danger of land mines. Once he was spotted doing wheelies on his grandson’s toy Batmobile down the long marble hall outside his Senate office.

He donates all Batman earnings to the children’s wing of the Kellogg-Hubbard Library in Montpelier. Mr. Leahy, who is legally blind in one eye, said that his daily trips to the library, then in a basement, made him a precocious reader as a child. On Saturday, the movie will have its premiere at the library, which will receive the proceeds from a reception and 350 tickets being sold to the screening, at $50 apiece.

The filming of Mr. Leahy’s scene in a Chicago restaurant last summer took “all night long,” he said. Mr. Ledger would “punch or throw me halfway across the room,” and Mr. Leahy was propped up by another actor “with an arm like an oak tree” who was “brandishing a gun in my face.”

It took the senator a couple dozen tries before he got his line right.

“We tried it two different ways — one was authoritative, the other one was with a lot of fear in my voice,” Mr. Leahy said. Ultimately, he was directed to act like the prosecutor he once was, with a take-charge attitude.

So how did Mr. Leahy manage to find his character’s motivation? Was he thinking of Vice President Dick Cheney, who in 2004 used profanity to curse Mr. Leahy on the Senate floor?

“No, I wasn’t visualizing Dick Cheney,” Mr. Leahy said. “They can’t use that dialogue in a PG-13 movie.”

Wham!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/12/washington/12leahy.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=us&pagewanted=print
Taming Groomzilla<-- support equality for same-sex marriage in Maine by clicking this link!

Offline LauraGigs

  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,447
    • My Design Portfolio
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2008, 06:23:59 pm »
A homemade spoof of the Dark Knight trailers. If you've seen them, this is pretty hilarious!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sYBqhOEdRQ[/youtube]

Offline Penthesilea

  • Town Administration
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,478
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2008, 06:54:32 pm »
A homemade spoof of the Dark Knight trailers. If you've seen them, this is pretty hilarious!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sYBqhOEdRQ[/youtube]

Loved this, thanks Laura. :)

Through what efforts some people go ....
I think they did it really well.

Offline Meryl

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,192
  • There's no reins on this one....
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2008, 11:19:03 pm »
A homemade spoof of the Dark Knight trailers. If you've seen them, this is pretty hilarious!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sYBqhOEdRQ[/youtube]


 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Ich bin ein Brokie...

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #71 on: July 13, 2008, 08:59:57 am »
A homemade spoof of the Dark Knight trailers. If you've seen them, this is pretty hilarious!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sYBqhOEdRQ[/youtube]

"Mimes are...bound by mime law..."

Bet Mr. Nolan is kicking himself now--he could have saved $179,999,000.00 (figuring about $1,000 on the YouTube 'production' costs, including food for all the castmembers)!

Hah! Hilarious!

Thanks for posting!

 ;D

"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2008, 09:10:06 am »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_(film)

The Dark Knight (film)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(excerpt)




Design

Costume designer Lindy Hemming described the Joker's look as reflecting his personality — that "he doesn't care about himself at all"; she avoided designing him as a vagrant but still made him appear to be "scruffier, grungier", so that "when you see him move, he's slightly twitchier or edgy." Nolan noted, "We gave a Francis Bacon spin to [his face]. This corruption, this decay in the texture of the look itself. It's grubby. You can almost imagine what he smells like."

In creating the "anarchical" look of the Joker, Hemming drew inspiration from such countercultural pop culture artists as Pete Doherty, Iggy Pop, and Johnny Rotten. During the course of the film, the Joker never removes his make-up, causing it to become more unkempt and resemble an infection as it worsens.

Ledger described his "clown" mask, made up of three pieces of stamped silicone, as a "new technology", taking much less time for the make-up artists to apply than more-conventional prosthetics usually requires — the process took them only an hour — and resulting in Ledger's impression that he was barely wearing any make-up at all.
"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #73 on: July 15, 2008, 11:28:31 am »


a premiere pic.

Don't you guys think Maggie looks just beautiful?  And if you squint really hard, CB almost looks like a clean shaven JG...okay maybe not.
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #74 on: July 15, 2008, 11:36:45 am »
http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2290975,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront


Has some nice descriptions of what was going on inside the theater during the premiere, including an orchestra in the beginning and "several midscreening ovations" for Heath.
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #75 on: July 15, 2008, 11:39:58 am »

I am excerpting this review by David Denby in case some readers may think spoilers may include the full piece. The link is provided here:
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2008/07/21/080721crci_cinema_denby

Some may also think parts which follow may be disturbing, but I think it important to post, and I may post it in other threads as well.

From The New Yorker:

The Current Cinema

Past Shock


Heath Ledger and Christian Bale in Christopher Nolan’s new Batman movie.

by David Denby
July 21, 2008

(....)

Yet “The Dark Knight” is hardly routine—it has a kicky sadism in scene after scene, which keeps you on edge and sends you out onto the street with post-movie stress disorder. And it has one startling and artful element: the sinister and frightening performance of the late Heath Ledger as the psychopathic murderer the Joker. That part of the movie is upsetting to watch, and, in retrospect, both painful and stirring to think about.

The Dark Knight,” which was directed by Christopher Nolan (who also made “Batman Begins”) and written by Nolan and his brother Jonathan, is devoted to perversity. Bruce Wayne, attempting to bring order to Gotham City, has instead provoked the thugs. The mob is running rampant, and they’ve infiltrated the police department. The Joker, who doesn’t care for money and wants only the power to sow chaos, intimidates everyone, including the gangsters. Wayne and the noble Lieutenant Jim Gordon (Gary Oldman) decide to get behind the new D.A., Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart), and set him up as Gotham’s crime-fighting hero. Batman even thinks of retiring. But the Joker won’t let him; he needs him, as someone to play with. An anarchist by philosophy, the Joker uses terrorist methods (bombs, bombs, bombs), and he has an enormous advantage over the principled Batman—he’s ruthless. So the Joker taunts and giggles, and Batman can only extend his wings.

It’s a workable dramatic conflict, but only half the team can act it. Christian Bale has been effective in some films, but he’s a placid Bruce Wayne, a swank gent in Armani suits, with every hair in place. He’s more urgent as Batman, but he delivers all his lines in a hoarse voice, with an unvarying inflection. It’s a dogged but uninteresting performance, upstaged by the great Ledger, who shambles and slides into a room, bending his knees and twisting his neck and suddenly surging into someone’s face like a deep-sea creature coming up for air. Ledger has a fright wig of ragged hair; thick, running gobs of white makeup; scarlet lips; and dark-shadowed eyes. He’s part freaky clown, part Alice Cooper the morning after, and all actor. He’s mesmerizing in every scene. His voice is not sludgy and slow, as it was in “Brokeback Mountain.” It’s a little higher and faster, but with odd, devastating pauses and saturnine shades of mockery. At times, I was reminded of Marlon Brando at his most feline and insinuating. When Ledger wields a knife, he is thoroughly terrifying (do not, despite the PG-13 rating, bring the children), and, as you’re watching him, you can’t help wondering—in a response that admittedly lies outside film criticism—how badly he messed himself up in order to play the role this way. His performance is a heroic, unsettling final act: this young actor looked into the abyss.
"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #76 on: July 15, 2008, 11:43:10 am »
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hnFIRpkXwqQ-epS9iS9VzPPloUOg

It's pretty brief article; here's what Christopher Nolan and AE had to say:

Director Christopher Nolan added: "I feel very excited that there's so much anticipation around the film but obviously, that in itself is somewhat daunting.

"The film has a lot to live up to now so hopefully we've done it right."

And Aaron Eckhart added: "There's so many emotions that I'm feeling right now. I'm so happy to get this out to the public for the world to see it, I feel sad that Heath's not here to do this with us and I feel honoured to be a part of both the Batman history and part of Heath's history."

"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2008, 10:03:31 pm »
Check out the Mandarin Oriental where the after-party for "The Dark Knight" was held:




Pretty cool!

Offline Kay-Nasty

  • Sr. Ranch Hand
  • ***
  • Posts: 73
  • "Just Sending Up A Prayer Of Thanks"
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2008, 03:54:06 am »
I just bought my tickets for the midnight showing a few hours ago, and let me tell you, it was a toughie! Silly me, I thought that as long as I bought tickets before thursday, i'd have no problem buying 4 stinkin tickets. Little did I know everyone else in the world, (or at least in san diego and orange county ;)) would think to buy their tickets several days in advance. HA! I originally wanted to see the premiere it in iMAX, but the 3 iMAX theaters within an hour of my house were sold out, and all three had several theaters showing at midnight. Even the 3:15 showings were all gone. I was quite depressed, but held my head high and went in search of normal sized theaters to buy tickets. Checked out about 10 different places in my general area before i landed on San Marcos' Edwards theater. And boy am I lucky I even found four tickets. I was becoming quite discouraged looking at theater after theater, seeing all the 12:01, 12:30, 1:00, and even 1:30 showings all gone. But on the bright side, Heath's movie is breaking all kinds of records. I read a few days ago that the Dark Knight has a record breaking 94 iMAX theater midnight premieres. Impressive! :o :o :o :o

Gee wiz, I am so excited, it's not even funny. I've literally been waiting over a year for this day. In less than 24 hours I will be watching my Heathy, yet again, on the big screen. I can hardly contain my excitement. And I'm dressing up as the Joker!!


"I never had money, and I was very happy without it. When I die, my money's not gonna come with me. My movies will live on - for people to judge what I was as a person."  ~Heath, I swear

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2008, 09:16:49 am »

Gee wiz, I am so excited, it's not even funny. I've literally been waiting over a year for this day. In less than 24 hours I will be watching my Heathy, yet again, on the big screen. I can hardly contain my excitement. And I'm dressing up as the Joker!!

I'm glad you were able to get tickets. 

You've got to post a photo of your Joker getup.  I know I'd love to see it.

Offline Meryl

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,192
  • There's no reins on this one....
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #80 on: July 17, 2008, 12:25:02 pm »
The History Channel has been showing two specials about Batman.  I just caught the end of one last night, and it has lots of clips of the comic books, TDK and interviews with the actors and creators.  The next time they're scheduled is Monday:

Monday 9:00 pm EDT:  Batman Tech

Monday 10:00 pm EDT:  Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight

For more info go to the History Channel and search for "Batman":  http://www.history.com/schedule.do
Ich bin ein Brokie...

Offline LauraGigs

  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,447
    • My Design Portfolio
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #81 on: July 17, 2008, 01:37:30 pm »
Quote from: Fran
You've got to post a photo of you in your Joker getup.  I know I'd love to see it.

Totally, KayNasty!   :D

Offline Kay-Nasty

  • Sr. Ranch Hand
  • ***
  • Posts: 73
  • "Just Sending Up A Prayer Of Thanks"
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #82 on: July 17, 2008, 05:42:33 pm »
Totally, KayNasty!   :D

Of Course! How could I not share it with my fellow Brokies! You guys understand me  ;)


"I never had money, and I was very happy without it. When I die, my money's not gonna come with me. My movies will live on - for people to judge what I was as a person."  ~Heath, I swear

Offline oilgun

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,564
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #83 on: July 17, 2008, 06:56:38 pm »
I bought my ticket today!  It's for 8:30 A.M. on Saturday (!) all the other IMAX screenings were sold-out except for the ones after midnight.  I won't be in costume... ;)

Offline southendmd

  • Town Administration
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,362
  • well, I won't
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #84 on: July 17, 2008, 10:37:59 pm »
I know I'm truly crazy now:  I'm going to the 12:01 showing tonight. 8)

Offline Meryl

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,192
  • There's no reins on this one....
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #85 on: July 17, 2008, 10:40:28 pm »
I know I'm truly crazy now:  I'm going to the 12:01 showing tonight. 8)

Wow, Paul, you may be the first to see it, other than spiceylife, who saw a preview.  I'm excited for you!  8)
Ich bin ein Brokie...

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #86 on: July 17, 2008, 11:03:11 pm »
I know I'm truly crazy now:  I'm going to the 12:01 showing tonight. 8)

Are you going in costume?  Just wondering....   :)

Offline BayCityJohn

  • Brokeback Got Me Good
  • *****
  • Posts: 772
    • BBM Foundation
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #87 on: July 18, 2008, 01:23:24 am »
Fans in line in San Francisco at 1:30 pm today waiting for the midnight show.



photo by xqsmwa

Offline southendmd

  • Town Administration
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,362
  • well, I won't
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #88 on: July 18, 2008, 03:41:40 am »
My costume was being the only one over 30!  The Boston Common theatre had scheduled three 12:01 showings, but they ended up opening several  more screens to accomodate all the last-minute folks.  And they were all full.

No spoilers here, I know. 

Just to say, Heath was mesmerizing.  After a few moments, I stopped seeing Heath at all.  It was pure Joker. 

I'll post more on the spoilers thread, just in case. 

I'm exhausted. :P

Offline Penthesilea

  • Town Administration
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,478
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #89 on: July 18, 2008, 04:17:49 am »
My costume was being the only one over 30! 

LOL


Quote
The Boston Common theatre had scheduled three 12:01 showings, but they ended up opening several  more screens to accomodate all the last-minute folks.  And they were all full.

WOW


Quote
Just to say, Heath was mesmerizing.  After a few moments, I stopped seeing Heath at all.  It was pure Joker. 

In one of the many reviews the last days, I read something along this line: mourn him in the first five minutes, but then let him be the Joker. Seems like it comes natural to follow this advice.

Thanks for reporting Paul :)

Offline Ellemeno

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 15,367
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #90 on: July 18, 2008, 04:51:08 am »
A homemade spoof of the Dark Knight trailers. If you've seen them, this is pretty hilarious!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sYBqhOEdRQ[/youtube]


"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to be in the sequel."  Started out funny, then led to melancholy....

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #91 on: July 18, 2008, 09:36:49 am »
I saw a 12:01 showing too.

I am going to start a spoilers thread here in The Culture Tent too....

If the higher-ups (or anyone else) thinks its too confusing to have two threads with spoilers, someone can just merge it with the other one.

Hope no one minds. 
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline Brokeback_Dev

  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,975
  • Love is a force of nature
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #92 on: July 18, 2008, 09:45:17 am »
Fans in line in San Francisco at 1:30 pm today waiting for the midnight show.



photo by xqsmwa

Cool.  I hope to see it tonight, but I doubt if Ill have to camp out waiting to get in.  It will be packed for sure though.  Cant wait to see it.  I will wait for spoilers thread AFTER I see DK.  I want a clean slate going in. ;)

Offline Ellemeno

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 15,367
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #93 on: July 20, 2008, 05:57:52 am »
I love this little quote from Aaron Eckhart:

-=Eckhart enjoyed his Windy City experience. "I remember being on a rooftop in the middle of the night, doing a scene with the Bat Signal in the air. I looked at Gary Oldman and Christian and said, 'I'm in Batman.' "=-

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/pearlman/1063875,CST-FTR-dark19.article

Offline Brokeback_Dev

  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,975
  • Love is a force of nature
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #94 on: July 20, 2008, 09:46:29 am »
I fell asleep, so we left.  But the manager gave us free passes to come see it again.  I wasnt feeling well.  :-\

Offline LauraGigs

  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,447
    • My Design Portfolio
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #95 on: July 20, 2008, 03:32:59 pm »
I fell asleep, so we left.  But the manager gave us free passes to come see it again.  I wasnt feeling well.  :-\

You fell asleep??  You must really have been unwell!   :P

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #96 on: July 21, 2008, 05:47:00 pm »
Tonight was the London premiere, and from pictures I've just seen most of the actors were there.

Wonder if Mel (SNuit) actually did go over to London for the premiere - I remember she said she was going to.  Hopefully she'll post her impressions soon if she did go.  :)

Offline Ellemeno

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 15,367
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2008, 03:14:41 am »
Tonight was the London premiere, and from pictures I've just seen most of the actors were there.




They must be so tired.

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #98 on: July 23, 2008, 10:15:15 am »
Another poster:


Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #99 on: July 27, 2008, 05:18:13 pm »
"Dark Knight" overshadows box office rivals again

"The Dark Knight" added a new title to its impressive list of superlatives: the best second weekend, surpassing the holiday-boosted $72 million haul of 2004's "Shrek 2."

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20080727/121719073700.html

"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline underdown

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,586
  • aka... Rob
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #100 on: July 30, 2008, 07:28:26 am »
It was sooooo good to see Heath in TDK. For me, he stole the show; and that's not bias. His second best role, but possibly his best acting.  :)
 

Offline Brokeback_Dev

  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,975
  • Love is a force of nature
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #101 on: July 30, 2008, 07:40:27 am »
You fell asleep??  You must really have been unwell!   :P

I went back to see it with my husband again and this time I loved it.  We both want to see it again.  It is such a cool movie.  Heath was awesome

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #102 on: July 30, 2008, 12:07:48 pm »
Even though Heath plays a very dark character, he lights up the screen with his presence.

To me, it appears that he really enjoyed playing the Joker.

I would like to see it again, too.  Perhaps at IMAX.

Offline Ellemeno

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 15,367
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #103 on: July 30, 2008, 05:09:52 pm »


I would like to see it again, too.  Perhaps at IMAX.


I wish we could go together, Fran.  Fly here?  :)



Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #104 on: July 31, 2008, 08:44:40 pm »
Even though Heath plays a very dark character, he lights up the screen with his presence.

To me, it appears that he really enjoyed playing the Joker.
I would like to see it again, too.  Perhaps at IMAX.

I agree wholeheartedly.

 ;D
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #105 on: July 31, 2008, 09:07:55 pm »

I wish we could go together, Fran.  Fly here?  :)

It sure would be fun.  Too bad you're so far away.  :(

Offline cmr107

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,460
  • Call me Courtney
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #106 on: August 07, 2008, 02:45:00 am »
I just saw it tonight, and WOW. I really want to see it again, and I think I probably will. I agree, Heath really seemed to be having a great time. Not that he was at all recognizable as Heath or anything. :)

Trivia fact I just learned tonight: My friend that I saw it with just got back from a music production internship at Warner Bros. She said that they used two different composers for the movie, one for Batman and one for Joker. Even if I didn't want to see it again anyway, it would be worth it to me to go again just to try to listen to the music more.

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #107 on: August 09, 2008, 06:57:07 pm »
I just saw it tonight, and WOW. I really want to see it again, and I think I probably will. I agree, Heath really seemed to be having a great time. Not that he was at all recognizable as Heath or anything. :)

Trivia fact I just learned tonight: My friend that I saw it with just got back from a music production internship at Warner Bros. She said that they used two different composers for the movie, one for Batman and one for Joker. Even if I didn't want to see it again anyway, it would be worth it to me to go again just to try to listen to the music more.

That's an interesting bit of info Courtney - thanks!
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline BelAir

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,401
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #108 on: August 16, 2008, 09:17:39 am »
`Dark Knight' stays on top with $26M
Sunday August 10 5:27 PM ET

Batman was higher than Hollywood's newest pot heads.

"The Dark Knight" took in $26 million to finish as the No. 1 movie for the fourth straight weekend, beating the stoner comedy "Pineapple Express," which opened in second place with $22.4 million, according to studio estimates Sunday.



rest here:
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20080810/121841442000.html

(a little bit belated, I know)
"— a thirst for life, for love, and for truth..."

Offline Fran

  • "ABCs of BBM" moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,905
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #109 on: September 21, 2008, 01:50:06 pm »
Another movie poster:


Offline Penthesilea

  • Town Administration
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,478
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #110 on: September 22, 2008, 02:06:38 am »
Another movie poster:




Is it an "official" (Warner Bros) poster, or something made by a fan? It looks like the latter to me, but I could be wrong.

Offline Lumière

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 9,283
Re: The Dark Knight - no spoilers please
« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2008, 10:25:33 pm »

I am yet to watch the Dark Knight.
It's out on DVD Dec. I think.  I'll get it then.