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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2008, 10:25:45 am »
Oh, I definitely think that probably many "spinsters" and "old-maids" in history were lesbians, or extremely independent women of any orientation.  It's interesting that those terms were meant to be put-downs in their day, but I tend to look at those words as indicating pretty positive things (from a feminist point of view).  But, the loneliness and the latentness/ repression implied in those terms are pretty sad at the same time.

I once had this great idea to do an oral history of "old maids" -- go around interviewing never-married women, particularly older ones, about why things worked out that way and how they felt about their lives. It could have been really fascinating.

Unfortunately, like most of my ideas, it never come to pass.


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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2008, 10:35:59 am »
I once had this great idea to do an oral history of "old maids" -- go around interviewing never-married women, particularly older ones, about why things worked out that way and how they felt about their lives. It could have been really fascinating.

Unfortunately, like most of my ideas, it never come to pass.



Heya K!  Well, it doesn't really seem too late to tackle this project if you feel so inclined and the project still interests you.



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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2008, 10:27:59 pm »
Heya K!  Well, it doesn't really seem too late to tackle this project if you feel so inclined and the project still interests you.





What A said.  I'd read it.

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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2008, 10:43:30 pm »
Thanks, Buds! It could really be interesting to do. I'll put it back on my list.

Unlike Jack, I do have some time ...


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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2008, 09:39:30 am »
Odetta has died.



Rosa Parks was her No. 1 fan, and Martin Luther King, Jr., called her the queen of American folk music. Odetta's stage presence was regal enough: planted on stage like an oak tree no one would dare cut down, wearing a guitar high on her chest, she could envelop Carnegie Hall with her powerful contralto as other vocalists might fill a phone booth. This was not some pruny European monarch but a stout, imperious queen of African-American music. She used that amazing instrument to bear witness to the pain and perseverance of her ancestors. Some folks sing songs. Odetta testified.

Her death on Dec. 2 in New York City at 77 from heart failure, coupled with that of South African singer Miriam Makeba three weeks ago, writes finis and fulfillment to 50 years of pursuing self-determination through song, of spreading the word through music. For a handful of black singers, their discography is an aural history, centuries deep, of abduction, enslavement, social and sexual abuse by the whites in power — and of the determination first to outlive the ignominy branded on the race, then to overcome it. In her commanding presence, charismatic delivery and determination to sing black truth to white power, Odetta was the female Paul Robeson.

Born in Birmingham, Ala., on New Year's Eve, 1930, and raised in Los Angeles, Odetta Holmes had a big voice early on; she was schooled in opera from the age of 13. Appearing in a tour of the musical Finian's Rainbow in her late teens, she started to lend her classical and musical-stage training to the folk repertoire around 1950. Like Harry Belafonte, Leon Bibb and Makeba, Odetta played the swanker nightclubs before the big (mostly white) folk-music surge kicked in later in the decade. Odetta Sings Ballads and Blues, the 1956 Tradition LP with definitively scalding interpretations of "Muleskinner, Easy Rider" and "God's Gonna Cut You Down," announced the arrival of a voice whose sonic and emotive power could raise the dead and reach the deaf.

During the folk boom, each Odetta gig, in coffee house or a concert hall, was a master class of work songs, folk songs, church songs, and an eloquent tutorial in raw American history. Identifiable from the first syllable, her voice fused the thrill of gospel, the techniques of art song, — the wisdom that subtlety sometimes trumps volume — and the desperate wail of blues. If a line could be drawn from Bessie Smith to Janis Joplin, from Mahalia Jackson to Maria Callas, it would have to go through Odetta.

Her resonance was literal, political — few civil rights rallies of the early '60s were complete without an Odetta rendition of "We shall Overcome" — and cultural. "The first thing that turned me on to folk singing was Odetta," Bob Dylan once said, and listening to that Tradition album helped persuade the young rocker to switch from electric to acoustic guitar. Odetta returned the favor in 1965, recording an LP of Dylan songs with an emphasis on the antiwar numbers rather than Dylan's sheaf of civil-rights ballads.

In later years Odetta collaborated on a dozen or more albums (dueting with Nanci Griffith, for instance, on Other Voices, Too. She recorded a collection of Christmas spirituals, and did tribute albums to Ella Fitzgerald, Leadbelly and blues thrushes of the 1930s. In her 60s and 70s she still could sing the hide off a traditional number. Evidence: this rendition of "Midnight Special."

For Odetta and many other survivors of the Civil Rights Movement, the election of Barack Obama as president signaled a fulfilling chapter in the struggle. As she sank toward death in New York City, Odetta had an Obama poster taped on the wall across from her bed. Hospitalized with kidney failure on Monday, she kept willing herself to live because, her manager Doug Yeager wrote on a fansite just before her death, "Odetta believes she is going to sing at Obama's inauguration and I believe that is the reason she is still alive."

She sang of the past, and for the future. Come Jan. 20, her songs will be heard on the internal iTunes of the people she touched. Some voices can never be stilled.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1863667,00.html

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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2008, 10:46:10 am »
Interesting piece, Paul, thanks for posting.

I had a question about this, though:

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"The first thing that turned me on to folk singing was Odetta," Bob Dylan once said, and listening to that Tradition album helped persuade the young rocker to switch from electric to acoustic guitar.

Dylan is most famous for switching from acoustic to electric, at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965. So did he go from very early electric to acoustic, inspired by Odetta, then back to electric again in '65 (which doesn't seem likely, because I think he played acoustic from the get-go) or did he go from acoustic to electric to acoustic again at some later date (but the article makes it sound like he was young when he did it), or is it a misprint?Could it have meant that  Odetta's album inspired him to go from acoustic to electric, though that seems unlikely too?

Or am I missing something?


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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2008, 03:13:23 pm »
I once had this great idea to do an oral history of "old maids" -- go around interviewing never-married women, particularly older ones, about why things worked out that way and how they felt about their lives. It could have been really fascinating.

Unfortunately, like most of my ideas, it never come to pass.

So, why don't you do it now? Sounds interesting.
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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2008, 04:25:30 am »
Interesting piece, Paul, thanks for posting.

I had a question about this, though:

Dylan is most famous for switching from acoustic to electric, at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965.


Good catch, Eagle Eye. 
 
Dylan goes electric - Maggie's Farm

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px-ytUstFBI[/youtube]


We can include this in the thread, because Maggie was a woman who inspired the song.  :)

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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2008, 04:38:02 pm »
Leave it to Katherine to rock out this thread!

Grace Slick!  The Acid Queen!  Yeah!

Chrissi Hynde!  She is too cool for this world.  (I even have her autograph!)

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Awesome posts Paul and Katherine!! Did you hear Boots of Chinese Plastic? I posted the lyrics here:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,9381.msg437750.html#msg437750

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Re: Women Who Inspire
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2008, 07:07:27 pm »
So, why don't you do it now? Sounds interesting.

Thank you, Natali. Thanks to your supportive comments and others, I am giving it some more thought!  :D