NC-17 RATED FUN: LET'S GET REAL HERE--How Many of Us Have Been SWOONING Nonstop?

[Lumière]

By the way everyone, I just wanted to say something.

I really want to thank RT for starting this NC-17 thread originally (although it wasn't NC-17 at first. I think I played a part in converting it to dirty-ville  ). Yes it's been GREAT fun, with all the raunchiness & all. But I've also grown close with a lot of you and really consider you all friends. You're all fabulous and I'm truly honoured to know you. So I just wanted to show my appreciation to RT, as the founder of our beloved raunchy home, and to show my appreciation to all of us who keep it nice and dirty and fun.

 

I guess RT did way more than create the thread...
he and Brandon livened things up quite a bit with their cyber-love. 

[EnnisDelMar]

Part 2 hunh? Couldn't we stop our raunchiness at part 1? lo

[moremojo]

I've gotta hear this, Scott..the Tom part, I mean. Please...dive in.

Leslie

PS, everyone else, Leslie checking in on the new thread....

Thanks, Leslie, for your interest!

Here goes...Placentophagia is actually quite common among mammalian mothers. I'd even go so far as to say it is well-nigh universal outside of the human community (I'm no zoologist, so don't quote me on this). I have heard of some human mothers reporting a desire to lick their newborn infants, which seems to me to be a residual instinctive reflex to clean one's young orally as mammals are wont to do.

So we can agree that placentophagia is natural among mammals, and could be a residual response in humans. Outside of being instinctual, I could see how a human mother might wish to consume the placenta as a form of symbolic bonding with her child, or the process in which the child was produced. We have already read of at least one couple who buried the woman's afterbirth to make some kind of symbolic statement that was meaningful to them if no one else.

Now, bear with me...what if Tom might wish to consume Katie's placenta in some sort of symbolic bonding ritual that would honor (in his mind) his connection to Katie, their child, the birth process, or any or all of the above? It's true that the article had Tom on record as stating his desire to benefit from the nutritional value of the placenta (a value which is accurately reported), but this doesn't necessarily preclude a symbolic component to  his motives, which he may not even have necessarily articulated to himself on a conscious level.

All I'm saying is that, however odd it might strike the majority of us, Tom's motives might arise out of feelings of, or desire for, love and closeness with these two human beings in his life. It certainly is eccentric (i.e., it falls outside the norm), but it is not necessarily evidence of mental aberration. I think some people's revulsion might reside in the recognition that the proposed act is a manifestation of cannibalism, but this element does not disturb me, as I find cannibalism, in and of itself, to be a moral non-issue. That is to say, the consumption of human flesh by other humans, insofar as this does not involve murder, deceit, or willful transgression of the wishes of the deceased, is, to my mind, neither right nor wrong on a moral scale. But that can be another discussion...

Ultimately, the question I ask when confronted by stories such as this is: Is anyone being hurt by this? When I can find no affirmative answer to that question, I tend to just want to let it be. And this is how I respond to this story.

Thanks for bearing with me, and anyone let me know if I can expound on any points. All feedback and criticism is welcome.

Best regards,
Scott

[JennyC]

Part 2 hunh? Couldn't we stop our raunchiness at part 1? lo

Oh, you can not stop there.  Come on...... for the newbie here, pleeeease 

[JennyC]

Here goes...Placentophagia is actually quite common among mammalian mothers. I'd even go so far as to say it is well-nigh universal outside of the human community (I'm no zoologist, so don't quote me on this). I have heard of some human mothers reporting a desire to lick their newborn infants, which seems to me to be a residual instinctive reflex to clean one's young orally as mammals are wont to do.

So we can agree that placentophagia is natural among mammals, and could be a residual response in humans. Outside of being instinctual, I could see how a human mother might wish to consume the placenta as a form of symbolic bonding with her child, or the process in which the child was produced. We have already read of at least one couple who buried the woman's afterbirth to make some kind of symbolic statement that was meaningful to them if no one else.

Now, bear with me...what if Tom might wish to consume Katie's placenta in some sort of symbolic bonding ritual that would honor (in his mind) his connection to Katie, their child, the birth process, or any or all of the above? It's true that the article had Tom on record as stating his desire to benefit from the nutritional value of the placenta (a value which is accurately reported), but this doesn't necessarily preclude a symbolic component to  his motives, which he may not even have necessarily articulated to himself on a conscious level.

All I'm saying is that, however odd it might strike the majority of us, Tom's motives might arise out of feelings of, or desire for, love and closeness with these two human beings in his life. It certainly is eccentric (i.e., it falls outside the norm), but it is not necessarily evidence of mental aberration. I think some people's revulsion might reside in the recognition that the proposed act is a manifestation of cannibalism, but this element does not disturb me, as I find cannibalism, in and of itself, to be a moral non-issue. That is to say, the consumption of human flesh by other humans, insofar as this does not involve murder, deceit, or willful transgression of the wishes of the deceased, is, to my mind, neither right nor wrong on a moral scale. But that can be another discussion...

Ultimately, the question I ask when confronted by stories such as this is: Is anyone being hurt by this? When I can find no affirmative answer to that question, I tend to just want to let it be. And this is how I respond to this story.

Thanks for bearing with me, and anyone let me know if I can expound on any points. All feedback and criticism is welcome.

Best regards,
Scott M.

Scott,

Very interesting reading.  You have a good point here.  Guess we all should not so quickly judge something/someone that we don't agree to or do not fully understand.  Isn't this what we are against here? Though I find him getting weird recently, I will retract the comments to call him totally nuts.

[delalluvia]

The problem I have with Tom's wanting to chow down on a bloody fetus support membrane is that in ancient cultures it was normal to feed this to the mother so she could regain her strength.  The idea that Tom in his Alpha Maleness wants to circumvent this ancient tradition strikes me as egotistical and presumptous.  What the fuck does he need the 'power' of the placenta for?  His work was done 9 months ago.  And I doubt that squeezing that turkey baster was all that difficult anyway.

The subconscious aspect of Tom wanting to 'eat' a 'part' of his child and her mother is extremely distasteful.   

No, it doesn't hurt anyone, so I don't object on general principles.  But for all the gods sake Tom, TMI. TMI.

[MaineWriter]

Okay Scott...let's talk about this a bit.

1) Placentophagia is common among mammalian mothers, but I can find very little documentation that it is common among human mammalian moms--correct me if you have evidence to the contrary. Generally, it seems that the mother consumes the placenta as a source of nutrition and in general, human moms, especially in this day and age, are well nourished.

2) Burying the placenta, whether in a garden or under a tree--I have actually had quite a few moms who wanted to do that and I facilitated the process so they could take it home.

3) A father wanting to eat the placenta in a bonding ritual? On one level, I can understand that. In fact, I have had couples talk to me about that--in some abstract sense it all makes sense. The problem is, the actual reality is quite different. Scott--I don't know what you do for work. Maybe you're an obstetrician, who knows? Have you ever seen a placenta? I have--plenty. I sure wouldn't want to start munching on it in the delivery room and I can't imagine taking it home to saute with a few onions and peppers...in other words, the idea of "eating" in some abstract sense becomes very different when faced with the cold, hard (bloody) fact of the afterbirth.

4) There are odd practices that people and couples have engaged in. I have heard (not experienced) sexual activities that involve urine and feces. Not my cup of tea but hey...whatever floats your boat. The point is, do we hear any major movie stars telling us they do this? Send me a google link if your answer is yes, otherwise, I will assume no. Along those same lines, as a nurse who has participated in quite a few deliveries, I have never seen a couple (or father) eat the placenta in the delivery room (which is what I believe is what Tom is saying he wants to do). Maybe there is is whole cadre of home birth folks who engage in this practice that I don't know about. The reason that I truly think Mr. Cruise is losing his marbles (not the most scientific term, but you all will indulge me) is because he has opted to make this decision so public.

I agree, nobody's being hurt. By why is he telling us? Does he truly believe this is a smart career move?

Leslie

As a PS--just reading this--it amazes me that a "movie star" says he wants to do this and it seems okay (who knows, maybe the RRR will have a slew of newspaper articles tomorrow condemming his statement) but at the same time, a person who is gay cannot openly declare same, fearing career suicide. What an odd country we live in.

[David]

Ok,  we all agree that Tom Cruise is insane.

Can we change the topic of his.... um, post delivery snack?

[MaineWriter]

Ok,  we all agree that Tom Cruise is insane.

Can we change the topic of his.... um, post delivery snack?

LOL David, you are one of the NC-17 regulars....

[David]

Now see?  If Katie had just swallowed, we wouldn't be dealing with this now would we?    LOL