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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2008, 08:52:13 pm »
I hope no one shoots me for this, but here goes anyway. I honestly think, that all these dreams of Heath are just that, dreams. Most of you who have said that Heath appeared to you have always been in bed when this happens and it,s always at night right? So presumably you arn,t sitting up in bed with a cup of coffee reading a book, your asleep. I find it very hard to beleive that all of a sudden Heath Ledger just appears to random people, some of whom he doesn,t even know for a chat. Why does this always happen at night? Why not during the day when your doing the washing up or the shopping? Sorry but I,m very cynical about all this, and I simply think that your all having dreams about him, very vivid ones obviously but dreams nevertheless. Thats just my opinion and I honestly mean no offence to anyone so please don,t shoot me for it.  :)
BTW Barb I,m sorry to hear about your father.  Thats very sad, but at least his final days on this earth will be peacful and pain free, well I certainly hope so anyway.  :-*

I am not going to shoot you Souxi, but maybe you should turn down your cynicism meter just a bit. There are things in the world we don't understand or know and when we open ourselves to the experience, we then learn things we didn't know.

At one point, when I was working on my fourth graduate degree, the professor drew a circle on the chalkboard. He divided it into quarters and then divided the first quarter in half (eighths). He pointed to the first eighth slice and said, "This is what you know." Then he pointed to the next eighth slice and said, "This is what you know you don't know." Then he pointed to the rest of the pie (three-quarters) and said, "This is what you don't know you don't know."  Realizing this changed my life.

And I have spent alot of time since then learning the things I didn't know I didn't know.

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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2008, 10:49:55 pm »

At one point, when I was working on my fourth graduate degree, the professor drew a circle on the chalkboard. He divided it into quarters and then divided the first quarter in half (eighths). He pointed to the first eighth slice and said, "This is what you know." Then he pointed to the next eighth slice and said, "This is what you know you don't know." Then he pointed to the rest of the pie (three-quarters) and said, "This is what you don't know you don't know."  Realizing this changed my life.

And I have spent alot of time since then learning the things I didn't know I didn't know.

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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2008, 11:54:41 pm »
{{Barb}} I'm so sorry to hear about your father.  You and your family certainly have my best wishes.  :-*

I really like hearing these stories about people dreaming about Heath.  Somehow, even hearing these accounts is comforting to me.  Believe it or not, I don't think I've ever had a dream about Ennis or Jack... and not about Heath or Jake either.  I have had dreams about typing on BetterMost though!  Quite a lot.

I can't help but note the eery similarity between Brokies dreaming about Heath and Ennis dreaming about Jack.  :'( 

Sometimes I'm really struck by how many sad and almost spooky parallels between this real life situation and BBM.  It's like BBM was teaching us lots of lessons that have really come into play throughout this ordeal.





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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 12:13:45 am »
I am so sorry to hear of your father.I do however believe that the human brain is a truly incredible thing.Way before I was an optometrist I was a clinical chemist.When doctors were choosing Patients for transplants,particularly bone marrow.They would always and I do mean always,chose the px with the most positive attitude.
These were cynical men of science,educated to the nth degree,But still convinced of the part the mind and attitude plays in the healing process.
That changed my attitude.Just a simple example,you go to work one day,and are feeling fine,then a couple of people mention that you look poorly/tired.
How many of us actually then start to feel sick or tired.The reverse being equally true.
If we allow ourselves to be open,the mind has the capacity to amaze.This from a once very cynical scientist.
I hope that your father is kept pain free,and comfortable.If he is given enough morphine he will be very calm and relaxed,as well as pain free.
I also believe your dreams are your brains way of bringing you some comfort.It is one reason I hate the fact that I am having to take sleeping tablets at the moment,no dreams.
Dreams can be restorative,in times of great stress.
Take good care of yourself and enjoy your dreams.If you ask Artiste nicely he migh send you a couple of nights of Jake.He often dreams of him.I am sure he could spare a night for you.

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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2008, 02:16:44 am »
I am not going to shoot you Souxi, but maybe you should turn down your cynicism meter just a bit. There are things in the world we don't understand or know and when we open ourselves to the experience, we then learn things we didn't know.

At one point, when I was working on my fourth graduate degree, the professor drew a circle on the chalkboard. He divided it into quarters and then divided the first quarter in half (eighths). He pointed to the first eighth slice and said, "This is what you know." Then he pointed to the next eighth slice and said, "This is what you know you don't know." Then he pointed to the rest of the pie (three-quarters) and said, "This is what you don't know you don't know."  Realizing this changed my life.

And I have spent alot of time since then learning the things I didn't know I didn't know.

L

Yep I agree, there are things we don,t know and many things still to be discovered, but until someone can come up with some convincing "evidence" to convince me otherwise, I,m gonna remain cynical and sceptical. I stand by what I said, it was a dream, obviously very vivid, but a dream nevertheless. If it makes people happy to think they have truely had this experience well that,s fine. I have no problem with that atall. I shall exercise my righ to remain sceptical though, sorry. I take a LOT of convincing.  :)

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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 02:19:21 am »
(((Barb)))

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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 02:19:58 pm »
Barb...

My thoughts are so with you right now..  :-* :-* :-* :-*

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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2008, 02:47:02 pm »
As if to prove my theory to myself (and maybe that's all it was), Jack appeared in one of my dreams last night.  Not Jake - Jack.  And only Jack.  In all the Ennis/Jack dreams I had back in the day, they were always together, and in the periphery.  This was just Jack, talking to me, as if I were part of his family or a dear old friend.  It was 39-year-old Jack, pornstache and all, just as the Heath who has visited me is 28-year-old Heath, with longish hair and looking awfully tired.

I wish I could remember what Jack and I said to each other (or what Heath and I said to each other in those dreams, come to think of it), but my recollection of them now is fleeting.  I just remember him there, clear as day.  We were at a baseball game, and he threw out the first pitch, then came to sit next to me.  When he was sitting next to me, he was wearing the brownish hat he wore the last time he saw Ennis, and then, it would seem, a plaid shirt of some kind - very unlike Jack and more like Ennis/Jake.

It's official.  I'm completely insane.  But if this is what insanity means, I don't mind hanging out with it for a while.
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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2008, 05:03:52 pm »

Barb - if you think that Jack and/or Heath have visited you, then perhaps they really have.  I can vouch for
visits from beyond.  Due to an automobile accident, my father was turned from a vibrant, funny, intelligent
hard working guy into a spastic-quadriplegic with no motor skills left.  After he died almost
20 years later, he would pop into my dreams.  And always he would be his normal, smiling
happy self with no afflictions or bodily impairments anywhere.  I always thought it was because
I wanted to remember him the way he was before the accident.  But the fact remains
that he did appear more than once to me.  I don't remember that he said anything, but several
of my siblings reported the same thing.

As Shakespeare wrote" there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
your philosophy" - a line from Hamlet that I never forgot.....................

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Re: Dreaming of Heath...
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2008, 08:38:20 pm »

As Shakespeare wrote" there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
your philosophy" - a line from Hamlet that I never forgot.....................



That really is a tremendous quotation judy!  :-*


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