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Re: Extremely disappointing
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 06:32:10 am »
Not as disappointing IMO as the way women have turned on her for not being a role model, becoming a spokeswoman for domestic violence victims, et cetera. She's a crime victim and now the onus is on her?
She's 21 years old, in love with this guy, grew up in a household where "intense" arguing between her parents was commonplace, and, at the risk of being accused of bigotry, based on the news polls I saw, it does seem like, shall we say, physical expressions of displeasure seem to be more openly acceptable in certain ethnic groups.
More generally, victims of domestic violence never seem to believe they fit the profile of a victim, or that their situation counts as domestic violence. They see their partner as a basically good man, and the incident as out of character. It's easy to say you would walk away if a man ever raised a hand to you. But what if it's not so cut and dried? What if he was drunk, or if he didn't technically hit you, or if (as in this case) you "started it?" What if on top of all this, you're a public figure for whom this relationship is a large part of your image, and a large part of your fan base holds you in some way responsible.
These two have been together for a year, an eternity at their age.
Anyone who remembers being that age should also remember that when outside forces of any kind, be it your parents, school authorities or whatever, try to break up a relationship between young people, even for a damn good reason, it tends to foster a "Romeo and Juliet" syndrome, a sense of the two of them against the world. In short, all this negative publicity and public opinion is more likely to drive her back into his arms, not less. He probably apologized very prettily, and took his name out of consideration for the Kid's Choice Awards and she's probably feeling sorry for him, and sorry for her role in his suffering, even if it was his fault to begin with.
There was a pretty eye-opening Oprah show last week on this case, in which model/TV host Tyra Banks talked about her own history with abuse, and how her mother took the heartbreaking but ultimately smart tack of not telling her to leave the man, because she knew that the impetus to leave had to come from her daughter and no one else; that if it did, it might foster just what I described above, a sympathy with her abuser that sent her right back to him.
Domestic violence experts say that it usually takes at least three incidents like this to make a woman realize that this is part of a pattern, that it's not out of character for her partber at all, but in fact how he deals with stress in the relationship. Only then does she begin to leave.
All the negative commentary about Rihanna, IMO is more likely to foster a sense of shame on the part of abused woman, because it subtly suggests that they let this happen to them, strong woman don't get abused, right? Strong women kick ass, right? So if woman finds herself in a domestic violence situation, and she doesn't immediately leave, then it's partly her fault, right?
Well, I disagree. Insisting on role model behavior from a young girl in such turmoil is inhuman, and if the opinionistas actually care about her, now is the time to back away ans hold off with the "shoulds".The spotlight belongs on HIM. He knows he messed up. He grew up watching his mother beaten, and now he's also a wifebeater, criticized throughout hiphop-dom by male artists who you would imagine would be defending him. I'm not much of a believer in celebrity rehab, but if anyone ever had an incentive to change his ways, it's him--he has shamed his mother by behaving just like his stepfather, and does it again, his career is pretty much over.

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Re: Extremely disappointing
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 07:36:53 am »
I can see what you're saying - but that image we've seen of her - it was no quick slap. And by all accounts the police are not accusing her of violence.

I hope she comes to her senses. I agree, that she and only she can make the decision but like iot or not she's a role model for kids. She can make this a really positive thing if she does the smart thing. She doesn't need to come out and say - oh I'm against realtionship violence and Chris is evil. Even by just quitely breaking up with him and moving on and saying nothing about it at all- its a show that this type of behaviour is not acceptable.   
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Re: Extremely disappointing
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2009, 07:40:13 am »
Yes, I keep hoping that the reports that she wants to reconcile are untrue.

FWIW, in whatever capacity these people are role models for young people, I think it sends such a terrible message if they really do get back together.

I'm very relieved that Brown is being charged with felonies for this.


Also, the more I think about what Brown did, the crazier and more hurtful it seems.  The fact that he focused his attack on her face seems particularly cruel, since to a certain extent Rianna's appearance is very central to her career.  Injuring her face is not only degrading and violent to her (as it would be to anyone), but it really could impact her career.  Plus, how could he think he wouldn't get caught, with such a visible attack with visible injuries?  Especially since they were scheduled to perform at the Grammies around the time of the attack.  It just makes Brown seem way out of control... as he must be anyway as an abuser.

It's really depressing and upsetting to think about.
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I have heard, but I'm not sure, that they were drunk. If he was drunk and angry--he probably wasn't thinking about whether he'd get caught or not. Also--heard that it wasn't the first physical altercation they'd had. I hope she does wise up before she gets disfigured or worse.
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Re: Extremely disappointing
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2009, 08:46:35 am »
While I agree that 21 is too young to be trying to handle all the fame and fortune, 21 is an adult age.

If Rihanna is acting like an adult - having affairs, partying, traveling on her own - then she needs to start acting like one and accepting responsibility as one, not have everyone tip-toeing around her because she might act like a love-struck high schooler, still believing in fairy tales.  She isn't some 16 year old, or trapped housewife with a houseful of kids and no job skills with no where to go or to turn.  She is independent, living on her own, and no true friend or family member would leave her in her situation without telling her the truth of it.  If she doesn't want to accept the truth, then yes, I think her popularity should fall - how else are young women going to learn anything? and accept that whatever comes her way from Brown, will be her fault in some way for not leaving him.  She won't have anyone to blame for sticking with him but herself.
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Re: Extremely disappointing
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2009, 10:46:52 am »
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/03/13/many_boston_teens_surveyed_say_rihanna_is_at_fault_for_assault/

Many Boston teens surveyed say Rihanna is at fault for assault

By Milton J. Valencia and Jenna Nierstedt, Globe Staff and Globe Correspondent  |  March 13, 2009


Here's a conversation starter: Nearly half of the 200 Boston teenagers interviewed for an informal poll said pop star Rihanna was responsible for the beating she allegedly took at the hands of her boyfriend, fellow music star Chris Brown, in February.

Of those questioned, ages 12 to 19, 71 percent said that arguing was a normal part of a relationship; 44 percent said fighting was a routine occurrence.

The results of the survey, conducted by the Boston Public Health Commission across the city and equally among boys and girls, are startling for local health workers who see a generation of youths who seem to have grown accustomed, even insensitive, to domestic violence.

"I think you'd have to be pretty jaded if you weren't startled by it," said Casey Corcoran, director of the health commission's new Start Strong program.

The program began in the fall as part of a Start Strong: Building Healthy Teen Relationships Initiative, a private foundation program that was offered in 11 cities across the country. Corcoran said the four-year, $1 million competitive grant program will allow the city to train mentors and outreach workers to speak to 11- to 14-year-olds about the dangers of domestic violence.

Corcoran said the Rihanna and Brown controversy, which is one of today's top entertainment news stories and a topic of conversation for young people, allows for teachers and parents to begin conversations about the dangers, and prevalence, of domestic violence.

"This is something tough for parents to bring up, but this is a very big case regarding domestic violence," said Corcoran, pointing out that Oprah Winfrey devoted her television show yesterday to teen dating violence and featured the Start Strong initiative.

"This is an opportunity to start those conversations; it shouldn't end with a survey," Corcoran said.

The Brown-Rihanna incident has created much controversy, mostly because of Rihanna's reported continuance of her relationship with Brown after alleged past assaults. The case has been pointed to by advocate groups for domestic violence victims as an example of the challenges victims face in confronting domestic violence.

Health counselors are specifically concerned with teenagers' views of the controversy. Of the teens questioned, more than half said both Brown, 19, and Rihanna, 21, were equally responsible for the assault. More than half said the media were treating Brown unfairly, and 46 percent said Rihanna was responsible for the incident.

Local teenagers from the Hyde Square Task Force in Boston said they found the case, and the survey, troubling, adding that the pop stars are supposed to serve as role models. But unfortunately, they are seeing such violence too often.

"I had friends getting beat by their boyfriends and coming to school with black eyes," said Kendra Lara, 19, of Jamaica Plain. "Some people do take it, and I don't understand it."


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Re: Extremely disappointing
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2009, 11:42:26 am »
Also, the more I think about what Brown did, the crazier and more hurtful it seems.  The fact that he focused his attack on her face seems particularly cruel, since to a certain extent Rhianna's appearance is very central to her career.  Injuring her face is not only degrading and violent to her (as it would be to anyone), but it really could impact her career.  Plus, how could he think he wouldn't get caught, with such a visible attack with visible injuries? 

I don't think getting or not getting caught was on Chris Brown's mind when he was beating Rihanna. He was obviously enraged and out of control. He didn't care they were on a car, he didn't even consider paps might be tailing them or remembered they were both due to perform at the Grammys. It makes me think Brown is a controlling, domineering, violent guy, who can become a very dangerous person if he doesn't get help asap.

As for Rihanna, I was also disappointed in the way she has handled the situation. But we have to consider that she is only 20 years old. A kid not mature enough to understand the nature of the relationship she's into. I think expecting her to be a role model might be too much for her to handle. She is the one in need of a role model.  She needs professional help, but also guidance, support and tender loving care, not all the the media pressure she's getting.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2009, 07:31:06 pm »

I like that the judge sentenced him to community labor and not community service - as Brown is not anyone I'd want to mentor members of a community.  And *sigh* the judge was harsher on him staying away from Rihanna than she was about it.

A judge on Tuesday sentenced Chris Brown to five years' probation and six months' community labor for the beating of Rihanna and issued a stern admonition to the R&B singer.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/chris-brown/news/chris-brown-sentenced-in-rihanna-assault-case--61987985

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Re: Extremely disappointing
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2009, 01:42:20 am »

As for Rihanna, I was also disappointed in the way she has handled the situation. But we have to consider that she is only 20 years old. A kid not mature enough to understand the nature of the relationship she's into. I think expecting her to be a role model might be too much for her to handle. She is the one in need of a role model.  She needs professional help, but also guidance, support and tender loving care, not all the the media pressure she's getting.
I agree. And when people realise their own value, they don´t let others treat them like that.

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Chris Brown's lame-ass excuse
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2009, 03:19:15 pm »

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LOS ANGELES – Chris Brown says he doesn't remember savagely beating Rihanna

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090831/ap_en_ot/us_people_chris_brown

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Re: Extremely disappointing
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2009, 03:29:18 pm »
I think the whole this is just off the wall and disappointing.

I never understood why someone would take an abuser (mental or physical) back.

Rihanna is not at fault, and should not be blamed for this incident.



I have heard, but I'm not sure, that they were drunk. If he was drunk and angry--he probably wasn't thinking about whether he'd get caught or not. Also--heard that it wasn't the first physical altercation they'd had. I hope she does wise up before she gets disfigured or worse.


I hadn't heard that he had hit her before, but it would't surprise me.

When abuse starts, it starts out small, and gets progressively worse.  Chris Brown gave Rihanna a hell of a beating.  That wasn't the first time he hit her, just by what he did.  The first time is usually "just" a slap or something mild, and then gets built up over time.


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