Cellar Scribblings

[CellarDweller]

Hiya BetterMost friends!!!!

Happy Hump Day!!

It's feels nice when the work week after a holiday is speeding by!   Makes the weekend seem closer.

Had a nice time at my friends' house on Memorial Day.   lots of laughs, and good food, and my antipasta salad went pretty quickly.   I guess it was different enough to be interesting, but still be a "bbq" type item.

I've been dealing with my Monster Report today, and I actually signed off of the work laptop pretty much on time.  That's always nice.

No big plans for this coming weekend.  other than to put up my pride flag and lights.

[CellarDweller]

This is a cool article, from Atlas Obscura:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-capicola-became-gabagool-the-italian-new-jersey-accent-explained

Thanks!  I'll check it out later tonight!

[CellarDweller]

Speaking of which, Chuck, do you pronounce bruschetta brusketa or brusheta? I learned on the first night of my first trip to Italy (from an American) that the former is correct, so I've been using it ever since. But I often have Americans either ignore my pronunciation or correct it, as if I pronounced it that way because I'd never heard the word spoken before.

I pronounce it "brusketa".  In the Italian language the "ch" is pronounced like a "k".

[serious crayons]

I pronounce it "brusketa".  In the Italian language the "ch" is pronounced like a "k".

OK, I wasn't sure how closely your Italian conformed to the real pronunciation. When I was learning (a bit of) Italian, my ex-husband said, "You're just speaking in an Italian accent!" And I said, that's just what you have to do to speak it correctly. I think one of the hard things in the early days of learning a second language is getting over feeling silly pronouncing it in a way that feels artificial but is actually correct.

[CellarDweller]

Don't get me started on "panini"!  It's plural, and one sandwich is a "panino"!

Thank you!!!!!!


Every time I tell that to anyone, they look at me like I have three heads! 

It goes back to my original post.......there is no use of 's' in Italian to make words plural.  The Italian word for sandwich is considered masculine, and therefore ends in 'o', with  the plural ending in 'i'.

"I want a sandwich" in Italian is "Io volgio un panino".  To use it in the plural form, "I want two sandwiches"  would be "Io volgio due panini".

[CellarDweller]

OK, I wasn't sure how closely your Italian conformed to the real pronunciation. When I was learning (a bit of) Italian, my ex-husband said, "You're just speaking in an Italian accent!" And I said, that's just what you have to do to speak it correctly. I think one of the hard things in the early days of learning a second language is getting over feeling silly pronouncing it in a way that feels artificial but is actually correct.

It's funny you should say that.  When I went to Italy to visit friends and family, when I spoke in Italian, I was told I have a Roman accent.

I've been debating investing in that Rosetta stone or another online class to brush up on my Italian.   I enjoyed knowing it.

[CellarDweller]

Want to know more about words you're mispronouncing?

Here's a YouTube video by a channel called Marco in a Box - it features a cute, married gay couple, one who is Italian.

[southendmd]

They are adorabile!  (pronounced "adorabilay")

[Jeff Wrangler]

Don't get me started on "panini"!  It's plural, and one sandwich is a "panino"!

Recently there was an article in The New Yorker about le Tacos in France. Tacos is singular. You want one? You order a tacos.

[CellarDweller]

Not necessarily. Apparently "Latinx" is controversial, especially among the people to whom it's supposed to apply. I just read something about this ... somewhere ... lately, but I can't remember where, so I can't provide a reference.     I remember reading something like "Latinx" is popular among academics and some sexual minorities--I've seen journalists use it, too--but among others maybe not so much. Grammar and pronunciation are involved ( Is it "Latincks" or "Latin-ex"?). There was some question, too, about the use being "imposed" by people--like academics--who are outside the community. Since we're now supposed to refer to people the way they prefer, I suppose this could get quite messy,

I was wondering about how Latinx was pronounced as well, and it just so happens that I'm watching a Vice channel movie called "HIV:  The Neglected Pandemic", and one of the people interviewed was Javier Muñoz from "Hamilton".  He was talking about being Latinx and he pronounced it as "Lateenex"