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Title: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 08:26:50 am
I know we have at least three people (me, David, and Jenny) and maybe four (Kelda?) who are hooked on the series of stories by Louise about Ennis and Ellery. And I suspect there are more out there. Anyway, we keep discussing the story on various threads (the latest is the 1000+ posts club) and I thought maybe we could all gather in one place for some real discussion. Hmmm?

For those who may be reading this and are not familiar with the story, it is (at present) a trilogy. Louise, who lives in Germany, iis the author. Two stories are finished, the third is in progress. The first one is called "Taking Chances" and can be found here:
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(EDITED:  30.November.2006)  It is now a 6 book series!


http://louisev.livejournal.com/2743.html  Book 1: "Taking Chances"

Ennis receives a journal written by Jack Twist during their months on Brokeback Mountain in 1963, and decides it is time for him to find out what it means for him to be homosexual.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27985.html  Book 2: "Looking for Answers"

Ennis finds an unexpected love relationship with Ellery Cantrell, the deputy Sheriff in Laramie, Wyoming, and as he struggles to make peace with the mysterious circumstances of the death of Jack Twist, Ellery offers to investigate his death and search for Jack's killer.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/50230.html  Book 3:  "A Second Chance"

Ennis and Ellery, having come face to face with the serial killer responsible for the death of Jack and other unsolved deaths, grapple with the specter of AIDS which has begun cropping up among the small, fragile gay population surrounding Ellery's private men's bar.  As their relationship grows closer, Ennis must deal with a painful relationship from Ellery's past which threatens his relationships and his job in the present.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75525.html  Book 4:  "Shelter From the Storm"

Ennis is swept up in an outbreak of violence aimed at him, his lover Ellery, and the gay patrons and employees of the Red Stallion bar.  Ellery and the staff of the Sheriff's department try to find those responsible and uncover a conspiracy within their own ranks.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/101593.html  Book 5:  "The Long Way Home"

"The Long Way Home" traces Ennis's pilgrimage with Ellery back to Brokeback Mountain as he struggles to come to terms with his loss and love for Jack Twist, and as Ellery and his colleagues try to bring Jack's killer to justice.

Book 6, The Red Stallion, is nearing its conclusion

http://louisev.livejournal.com/125667.html    "The Red Stallion" is the final chapter of the Saga.

The Red Stallion takes place during the fall and winter of 1984 after the death of Jack's killer, Justin Worrell.

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The premise: story starts in 1984, two years after Jack's death. Ennis has been doing some reading, research about queer life, trying to come to grips with Jack's death and who he is. In the process of reading, he sees an ad for a gay bar in Laramie, WY. The story starts when he walks into that bar...

A few other comments. Louise describes herself as a "canon" author in that the she does not read or write AU (alternative universe) stories. She is true to the book/movie which is why this story picks up after Jack is gone. She also believes that Ennis is a fairly young man (41) and made the decision to not let his life go down the drain in that depressing trailer where he was living. Some people object to MovingOn!Ennis but I don't. I think she has taken an interesting and honest approach to what might have happened.

There is plenty of sex in this story, but I also think she is a good writer and taking a nuanced approach to exploring Ennis's emerging sexuality.

Ellery is the man Ennis begins a relationship with. I don't think I am giving away too much here to new readers because he shows up fairly early in the first book. Many of us have super major crushes on Ellery. I do. I am seriously thinking of getting pregnant again so I can name the baby Ellery. Well, all right, that might be a slight exaggeration!

So...dive in everyone.

L


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 08:32:37 am
As a starter, this is what I am picturing Ellery to look like. Dee found this picture originally which reminds me, DeeDee may also be a reader...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/mg_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 24, 2006, 09:02:42 am
And another pic of Ellery.  Now that should be enough motivation!  Get reading!   ;)

(http://static.flickr.com/48/127717586_799fcb2997.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 09:05:59 am
Louise approves of both these pictures, btw. I am trying to entice her to join us here for some discussion. She spends her time at davecullen (when she is not writing, that is) but gets a little frustrated because people tend to bash her MovingOn!Ennis on a regular basis. I told her we all play nice here in the CT sandbox.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 09:10:27 am
Hot off the press:

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/58051.html  "Chapter 31:  Role Reversal"

note:  no Bottom!Ennis action, despite the provocative title

(This is from Louise)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 24, 2006, 09:27:55 am
Hello folks.  Right now I am blushing up a storm from having a thread dedicated to Ennis and Ellery!  I haven't been to Bettermost! before, I think I saw a link at one time a few months ago before my brain got sucked out by the davecullen group.

It was largely through the efforts of fans who posted ongoing and continuous commentary that I am writing a third book in this series, so that shows the power of readers in influencing writers and affecting their motivation.  I don't want to get in the way of discussion, so please, do carry on, perhaps I can do as I have been doing on LiveJournal, which is to answer questions.

I do think the first pic has a very accurate body type for Ellery:  sturdy wide shoulders, about 6'4" (stands two inches taller than Ennis with Heath Ledger as Ennis, who is 6'2"), and skinny as all getout, enough to make any pair of pants dangerous if they are not securely belted over his hips.  Ennis has a certain penchant for Ellery's dress black Chief Deputy uniform and stylish beret, which he has worn to bed a couple of times that we know of.

And once again, thank you for the awesome and inspiring welcome!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 24, 2006, 09:55:30 am
Good Morning and Welcome aboard Louisev!

You have many fans here!    I still am in awe how you can write such graphic (and accurate!) erotic encounters between the guys.  Thanks for keeping us on the edge of our seats for so many chapters.    My water bill has never been higher from taking so many cold showers!    Well, not since Jack and Ennis moved to the LazyL Farm!   LOL.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 24, 2006, 10:02:23 am
Well, thank you.  I have done some research.  I have other writing endeavours as well, and one of the most revolutionary experiences that has changed (and much improved) my writing has been live interactive text roleplay.  I found a wonderful and talented writer and have been doing live roleplay almost daily for a year (we met and did our first interactive on 30 May 2005) and after I left for Europe maintained a schedule so that we could have 3 to 4 hours a night to continue to play, and we roleplayed detailed erotic stories between two male couples.  Needless to say, that kind of detail and interaction was an immense influence and allowed me to develop some fluency, so to speak, in writing explicit sex.  I am always very happy to hear from fans.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 24, 2006, 11:16:31 am
update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/58233.html  "Chapter 32:  A Slow Night"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 11:25:38 am
Quote from: louisev on June 24, 2006, 11:16:31 am
update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/58233.html  "Chapter 32:  A Slow Night"

Oh boy are we getting spoiled. Thanks, Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 11:26:45 am
I wanted to note that while Louise told me she is a canon author/reader, I have persuaded her to read bits and pieces of my story (which is AU) and I am very flattered by that.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RouxB on June 24, 2006, 12:26:11 pm
Louise welcome!

You are keeping me awake far too late-I haven't had more than 5 hours sleep a night since I picked up the first chapter of Ennis and Ellery. I've finished the first 2 "books" and am just starting the 3rd-thanks to Leslie-thanks Leslie!

All I can say is if you keep writin' em, I'll keep readin' em.

Ruby
 O0
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 12:28:59 pm
Quote from: RouxB on June 24, 2006, 12:26:11 pm
Louise welcome!

You are keeping me awake far too late-I haven't had more than 5 hours sleep a night since I picked up the first chapter of Ennis and Ellery. I've finished the first 2 "books" and am just starting the 3rd-thanks to Leslie-thanks Leslie!

All I can say is if you keep writin' em, I'll keep readin' em.

Ruby
 O0

Roux, Roux of course....sorry to leave you off the list of devoted readers!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 24, 2006, 12:39:15 pm
Quote from: RouxB on June 24, 2006, 12:26:11 pm
Louise welcome!

You are keeping me awake far too late-I haven't had more than 5 hours sleep a night since I picked up the first chapter of Ennis and Ellery. I've finished the first 2 "books" and am just starting the 3rd-thanks to Leslie-thanks Leslie!

All I can say is if you keep writin' em, I'll keep readin' em.

Ruby
 O0

whoo wee. I can't believe it.  Someone emailed me a couple of days ago to tell me for every one person commenting in LJ there are a hundred reading, and I pooh poohed it.  I should not have been so hasty!

I am glad you are enjoying it, and of course now that you're caught up... I only write about 4,000 to 5,000 words a day most days....!  and many thanks for reading!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 24, 2006, 01:55:25 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/58454.html  "Chapter 33:  Dreaming"

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on June 24, 2006, 02:03:49 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 08:32:37 am
As a starter, this is what I am picturing Ellery to look like. Dee found this picture originally which reminds me, DeeDee may also be a reader...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/mg_1.jpg)



May be a reader???
Haven't missed one word yet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 24, 2006, 02:13:47 pm
oh my lord... and you are all Ellery fans?  I must be living under a rock!  If you have read my Author's notes you know that I ran into significant controversy over writing a serious new love interest for Ennis after two years of mourning Jack's death, and sweat bullets for 35,000 words before Ennis made the "Jack move" to put Ellery's hand on his erection, and I wake up Saturday morning to find another whole fan board with people I never met who are following the story.

I'm not going to escape at the end of this volume, am I?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 24, 2006, 02:21:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 24, 2006, 02:13:47 pm
I'm not going to escape at the end of this volume, am I?

Mr.Coyote says:"Hell no!"

(http://static.flickr.com/44/163583704_5d1f0100a7_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 24, 2006, 03:54:25 pm
oh my....

breaks down in giggles.  I've got Mr. Coyote after me now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 04:53:11 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 24, 2006, 02:21:15 pm
Mr.Coyote says:"Hell no!"

(http://static.flickr.com/44/163583704_5d1f0100a7_m.jpg)

The Red Stallion bouncer glare, I believe...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 24, 2006, 05:09:02 pm
that is CERTAINLY the glare I had in mind.  And now:

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/58798.html  "Chapter 34:  Getting Advice"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/58954.html  "Chapter 35:  An Interrupted Meal"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 09:05:12 pm
How many chapters was this today? I am trembling, like Ellery, with the onslaught...

Thanks, Louise.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 09:06:34 pm
"Chapter 35:  An Interrupted Meal"

To be honest, it wasn't really interrupted. More like "A Satisfying Dessert" I think. It was satisfying to me....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 25, 2006, 06:06:04 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 09:05:12 pm
How many chapters was this today? I am trembling, like Ellery, with the onslaught...

Thanks, Louise.

L


you are welcome... I sort of overdid it yesterday because I will be out driving and going to a concert today.  If I am not too tired I may be able to write one when I get home tonight but that is about 12 hours away...! 

Okay I lied. I squeezed another one in.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/59326.html  "Chapter 36:  A Dark Place"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 08:05:37 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/59326.html  "Chapter 36:  A Dark Place"

This one is beautiful. I ache for both of them...Even though Ellery jokes about "The Handbook a Queer Survival" his path has not been an easy one, either.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 25, 2006, 10:47:34 am
Well, here goes.  Ellery is having the same trouble that Ennis has had.  Youthful first love is hard to come to terms with.  I had the sme trouble Ennis had accepting someone in place of Jack.  It took the pictures of Ellery to help me  accept him.  He is some humdinger!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 10:56:37 am
Quote from: scudder on June 25, 2006, 10:47:34 am
Well, here goes.  Ellery is having the same trouble that Ennis has had.  Youthful first love is hard to come to terms with.  I had the sme trouble Ennis had accepting someone in place of Jack.  It took the pictures of Ellery to help me  accept him.  He is some humdinger!

Welcome, Scudder...

Everyone, let me introduce Scudder, another addicted reader that I have been corresponding with privately. I gave him a little push to join our group.

Humdinger, yes. If only we could all be so good looking, with hair and muscles, and not fat...oh well, real life interferes sometimes.

Ellery/Ennis...I do think, the way it is emerging, that Ellery's first "love" was anything but. Obviously Ellery had feelings for the guy but they were not reciprocated in any sort of an emotional way, just sexual. Ennis and Jack, on the other hand, I do think were in love, even though Ennis couldn't find the words to say so. And for Ellery, being really in love, for the first time, is bringing up all the memories of the non-love he had all those years ago.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 25, 2006, 11:07:54 am
That is the trouble,  Ellery's feelings were not reciprocated in any way.  But Ellery had those feelings and he hasn't forgotten them.  That is his problem now.  With Ennis' help he will surely work them through.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 03:20:11 pm
David will appreciate this...Ellery's car, a 1982 blue El Camino

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_El_at_Gettysburg_001.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/El_at_Gettysburg_001.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 03:34:55 pm
Another Ellery-Ennis fan standing up to be counted!!!!  :D
And The Louise is here with us too.. :D

I still have alot of catching up to do ...I am still in the "Looking for Answers" installment, but I don't wish to rush myself.  I gotta enjoy every bit of the action (be it in or out of Ellery's house)...

THANK YOU LOUISE - for sharing your writing genius with us!!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 03:43:18 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 03:34:55 pm
Another Ellery-Ennis fan standing up to be counted!!!!  :D
And The Louise is here with us too.. :D

I still have alot of catching up to do ...I am still in the "Looking for Answers" installment, but I don't wish to rush myself.  I gotta enjoy every bit of the action (be it in or out of Ellery's house)...

THANK YOU LOUISE - for sharing your writing genius with us!!



Welcome, Lucise...so glad to have you with us. Louise is off at a concert all day, I swear I am having chapter withdrawal....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 04:33:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 03:43:18 pm
Welcome, Lucise...so glad to have you with us. Lousie is off at a concert all day, I swear I am having chapter withdrawal....

Oh Leslie ... just go back to Chapter 1 and start reading again... ;D

I got wine and dessert and my whole evening is mapped out - just the three of us: Ennis, Ellery and me!!
It's a friggin good life!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 04:33:25 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 03:20:11 pm
David will appreciate this...Ellery's car, a 1982 blue El Camino

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_El_at_Gettysburg_001.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/El_at_Gettysburg_001.jpg)



Ha ha ha!    Perfect!     I was just thinking about that this morning too!

The El Camino was marketed as a "Gentlemans" pickup.      I can't believe with todays popularity of Trucks that none of the car companies have resurected the El camino & Ranchero vehicles.   Half car & Half truck.    What could be more practical?    You can haul stuff to the dump, wash the car, then take your special someone out for a nice night out on the town in total comfort of a passenger car.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 04:35:02 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 04:33:06 pm
Oh Leslie ... just go back to Chapter 1 and start reading again... ;D

I got wine and dessert and my whole evening is mapped out - just the three of us: Ennis, Ellery and me!!
It's a friggin good life!  ;D

A threesome with Ennis and Ellery?   Now thats some high class entertainment!!! ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 04:44:12 pm
I am wondering what Ellery's house looks like. We have a few details--living room has lots of bookcases, a couch and recliner and 4 (I think) windows across the front. The kitchen has been described as a galley kitchen. I am imagining a single story ranch, with a carport. Come in the front door, into the living room. Kitchen with a small dining area is behind the living room, with a sliding glass door off the back onto the patio. There's a hall with three bedrooms: a decent sized master bedroom and two smaller ones, one of which Ellery has converted into an office. The other is probably a guest room but has become a place with an accumulation of "stuff." Nowadays, it is where the treadmill would be but back in 1984, treadmills in the home weren't as ubiquitous as they are today. One bathroom. Is it built on slab or does it have a basement?

What's on the outside? Brick? Wood? What do they have in Wyoming?

What I am not clear on is how someone coming up to the house by the driveway could see someone on the patio, which is in the back and surrounded by high hedges.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 04:44:51 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 04:35:02 pm
A threesome with Ennis and Ellery?   Now thats some high class entertainment!!! ;)

I dunno...I might end up dead! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 25, 2006, 04:56:15 pm
These pictures are a big help.  Now I can visualize Ellery and recall the stare of Ennis and see the El Camino .  It would be nice to have a floor plan of the house and maybe an exterior shot of what it might look like.  I was wondering too about being able to see the patio from the front.  Seems there was a side path directly to the patio from the front.  One might stand to the side and peer back but I doubt you could see the entire space.  It's cerainly a nice house in a nice neighborhood.  What do the neighibors think?  Have they met the boys?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 04:56:34 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 04:44:12 pm
I am wondering what Ellery's house looks like.

I picture a ranch style house,  driveway on the right side.    The house is brick faced only halfway up the front.    Big multi-paned bow window in front.    Living room in the front with a fireplace that is flanked by bookcases.    An eat-in Kitchen in the back that has a sliding glass door to a patio.  The roof of the house over hangs in the back to cover the patio.    Not a huge yard, but a medium sized tree in the middle and plenty of shrubs and small trees on the sides for privacy.   A fairly good sized master bedroom with attached master bath.  A King sized bed that never seems to be made.   LOL   It gets too much use!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 05:01:13 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 04:56:34 pm
I picture a ranch style house,  driveway on the right side.    The house is brick faced only halfway up the front.    Big multi-paned bow window in front.    Living room in the front with a fireplace that is flanked by bookcases.    An eat-in Kitchen in the back that has a sliding glass door to a patio.  The roof of the house over hangs in the back to cover the patio.    Not a huge yard, but a medium sized tree in the middle and plenty of shrubs and small trees on the sides for privacy.   A fairly good sized master bedroom with attached master bath.  A King sized bed that never seems to be made.   LOL   It gets too much use!

For some reason, I picture the driveway on the left.

The window in the front...remember, four lights were shot out and the description of Ennis fixing them made them sound light small lights (panes). Would that be one big bow window or no?

Ennis makes the bed...he's meticulous that way  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 05:02:26 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 25, 2006, 04:56:15 pm
These pictures are a big help.  Now I can visualize Ellery and recall the stare of Ennis and see the El Camino .  It would be nice to have a floor plan of the house and maybe an exterior shot of what it might look like.  I was wondering too about being able to see the patio from the front.  Seems there was a side path directly to the patio from the front.  One might stand to the side and peer back but I doubt you could see the entire space.  It's cerainly a nice house in a nice neighborhood.  What do the neighibors think?  Have they met the boys?

There was one comment that the neighbors were happy when Ellery moved in...happy to have a career law enforcement professional in the neighborhood. No mention that they have met Ennis yet.

How long has Ellery lived here?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 05:04:52 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 04:35:02 pm
A threesome with Ennis and Ellery?   Now thats some high class entertainment!!! ;)

Guess I better not forget to get some doughboys!!

(http://mcraeclan.com/links/g/Doughboy.gif)

..and some 'Glenfiddle' ...

(http://www.singlemaltsdirect.com/acatalog/glenfiddich_anc18_b.jpg)


* rubs hands in anticipation ...*   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 05:09:15 pm
How does this look....minus the garage, of course. (Click for a larger view.)

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 05:14:49 pm
Another question...what does Ellery's beret look like?

It's interesting, we all have an absolute perfect vision of Ennis (duh), his hat, his truck, his boots, etc.,  but we need to fill in the details on Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 05:15:25 pm
Oooo!   Nice floor plan!    Yeah, that works.   Just swap the garage for a carport.    See the big window in the front?   Lots of small window panes.   Four could get shot out easily.     

Hell,  keep the two car garage and I'm ready to move in!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 05:19:07 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 05:14:49 pm
Another question...what does Ellery's beret look like?

Beret?    Isn't that a small frenchmans style hat?   Or like the Green Berets wore?   Not exactly a Policemans type of hat if you ask me.   

I would think in a Western town they'd wear a Cowboy type hat.    Or a flat brimmed "Mountie" type hat.     Hmm, maybe we need to do some reasearch?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 05:20:44 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 05:19:07 pm
Beret?    Isn't that a small frenchmans style hat?   Or like the Green Berets wore?   Not exactly a Policemans type of hat if you ask me.   

I would think in a Western town they'd wear a Cowboy type hat.    Or a flat brimmed "Mountie" type hat.     Hmm, maybe we need to do some reasearch?

I don't think it looks like the type of "beret" we all picture when we say "beret" (yes, the French one)...but that is what it is called. Research is needed!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 05:37:45 pm
Ellery must've had one of these:  :)

(http://www.iltisfrance.com/images/Legend/PatchsP/Laramie-Police.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 05:47:49 pm
This is Danny Glick.   The REAL Sheriff of Laramie Wyoming.

Check out the cool hat and uniform!    The Pornstache has to go though!   LOL

(http://www.lcsd.net/_graphics/_photos/danny_glick_2004.jpg)

(http://www.lcsd.net/_graphics/badge2.jpg)

http://www.laramiecounty.com/departments/sheriff/index.asp  (http://www.laramiecounty.com/departments/sheriff/index.asp)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 05:51:43 pm
So I think that settles the debate on the hat.   Ellery is Chief Deputy Sheriff right?     Then Wes is the Sheriff.   So that would be him in the picture in my post above.

Anybody want to photoshop our Ellery's face onto that body?    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 06:00:26 pm

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/mg_1.jpg) (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/enn2-1.jpg)

I just needed to see these two side by side ... ;D (although other positions are greatly welcome... :P  ;D )


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 06:01:42 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 05:51:43 pm
So I think that settles the debate on the hat.   Ellery is Chief Deputy Sheriff right?     Then Wes is the Sheriff.   So that would be him in the picture in my post above.

Anybody want to photoshop our Ellery's face onto that body?    ;D

Hmmm, that might even be a decent idea of what Wes looks like, don't you think?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 06:04:02 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 06:01:42 pm
Hmmm, that might even be a decent idea of what Wes looks like, don't you think?

I was thinking the same thing.   But without the mustache!   LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 06:05:05 pm
Ellery's tank top and shorts? The body type is about right, too. Like that little bit of underarm hair that is peeking out  ;)


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/red_tank.jpg)


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/10476.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 06:14:58 pm
Can somebody photoshop the proper head on ....please? LOL

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/2170red2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 06:25:32 pm
Dinner is served!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/shishkebob.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 06:29:33 pm
Now I know what gets Ennis all riled ... ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/ell2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 06:34:37 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 06:29:33 pm
How I know what gets Ennis all riled ... ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/ell2.jpg)

I know that's the authentic uniform, but it was not what I was picturing. I pictured just a black shirt and pants, no jacket.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 06:37:30 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 06:34:37 pm
I know that's the authentic uniform, but it was not what I was picturing. I pictured just a black shirt and pants, no jacket.

tsk tsk..picky eh, Leslie!  :P

I don't have photoshop, but I do the best I can with my simple paint program... :laugh:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elry2-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 06:40:56 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 06:29:33 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/ell2.jpg)

Mr.Coyote approves!

(http://static.flickr.com/55/174903040_24f13e82c6_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 06:44:39 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 06:40:56 pm
Mr.Coyote approves!

(http://static.flickr.com/55/174903040_24f13e82c6_m.jpg)


Woohoo!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 25, 2006, 06:51:44 pm
Where is the patio?  My impression is that someone parking in the driveway could go around the right side of the house (stage left) and see who was there.  Also, I had the idea that the patio was off the master bedroom.  Could the garage be detached with the pathway between it and the house?  I also thought the master bedroom opened directly onto the living room.  Remember Ennis opened the door naked coming from a shower when The young bartender was there talking to Ellery.  I think the master bedroom should be where the dining room and kitchen are and the dining room and Kitchen should be where bedroon 1 and 2 are and these bedrooms should be where the master bedroom is.  And I assume the garage is for one car?  I can't manipulate things like you Leslie or I would try to sketch it out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 06:58:10 pm
The depth of my obsession (this is probably TMI but who cares?). I actually got dragged out of the house yesterday to get off the computer for a few hours and go out to lunch and then a movie. So, while I am in the restaurant, I am looking around and this guy comes in, and from the back, he looks like Ellery (not the front). Black hair, right length, wearing a dark shirt. So..with my new cellphone, which I have barely figured out how to use, I take a picture of the guy! I mean, am I losing my marbles? (No, they were gone long ago.). Here he is...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/flatbreadcopy.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 07:00:50 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 25, 2006, 06:51:44 pm
Where is the patio?  My impression is that someone parking in the driveway could go around the right side of the house (stage left) and see who was there.  Also, I had the idea that the patio was off the master bedroom.  Could the garage be detached with the pathway between it and the house?  I also thought the master bedroom opened directly onto the living room.  Remember Ennis opened the door naked coming from a shower when The young bartender was there talking to Ellery.  I think the master bedroom should be where the dining room and kitchen are and the dining room and Kitchen should be where bedroon 1 and 2 are and these bedrooms should be where the master bedroom is.  And I assume the garage is for one car?  I can't manipulate things like you Leslie or I would try to sketch it out.

I think it has been mentioned a couple of times that the patio is off the dining room. No mention of a door in the bedroom, just a window. And when they were getting shot at, they crawled down the hall on their knees. The floor plan I posted has a little hall, not too long.

Whenever Louise gets back from her concert, she'll set us straight. LOL

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 07:23:57 pm
This one needs no explanation...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/vaseline.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 25, 2006, 07:26:45 pm
I wonder if someone could put a picture of Jack and Ellery side by side?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 25, 2006, 07:44:00 pm
I just got home, and I am sitting at my computer with my mouth hanging open!  I can't believe you folks went to this tremendous load of trouble getting a floor plan for the house, the uniform, the beret...

*astonished*

Just quickly, the patio steps are accessible from the right side of the house.  It is a small rancher with a single bedroom.  Roughly speaking, front room with four windows across, doorway to kitchen/dining area, sliding patio doors onto the patio which is mostly at the rear of the house but accessible from the right side.

No garage: a carport where the El Camino pulls in (good pic on the car, his is , um, red I think) and Ennis usually parks off to the side in his 72 Ford pickup.  Ennis hasn't met any neighbors but he worries about them peeking over the high impenetrable privacy hedges, though his recent hijinks on the patio indicate he may be getting over that.

Pole and birdfeeder in the middle of the backyard with several medium size trees.  Let me see what else did you guys want to know?  Oh when I was posting a new chapter... er, it's 1:45 a.m. in Central Europe and tomorrow (er today) is a weekday, so not tonight.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 07:54:35 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 25, 2006, 07:26:45 pm
I wonder if someone could put a picture of Jack and Ellery side by side?

Ennis' first and second love... ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/ell.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 07:56:24 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 25, 2006, 07:44:00 pm
I just got home, and I am sitting at my computer with my mouth hanging open!  I can't believe you folks went to this tremendous load of trouble getting a floor plan for the house, the uniform, the beret...

*astonished*


Err..Louise - we DIG Ellery and Ennis, nothing is too much to do for those two!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 25, 2006, 08:14:35 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 03:34:55 pm
Another Ellery-Ennis fan standing up to be counted!!!!  :D
And The Louise is here with us too.. :D

I still have alot of catching up to do ...I am still in the "Looking for Answers" installment, but I don't wish to rush myself.  I gotta enjoy every bit of the action (be it in or out of Ellery's house)...

THANK YOU LOUISE - for sharing your writing genius with us!!



thank you Lucise, and scudder, David of course, Mainewriter, RouxB, who else hs here... ( I know I missed some names!) thank you all for your rapt attention.  I expect tomorrow there will be some time for me to at least get  another chapter off.... while I was at dinner tonight with two friends who play violin in the Darmstadt Symphony after their concert, they were fascinated to hear that I was writing an erotic fan fiction series, and I was worried at dinner about the fans thinking I had disappeared on them!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 25, 2006, 08:25:09 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 06:58:10 pm

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/flatbreadcopy.jpg)


you got the hair length AND the color, very good!  When weather permits Ellery favors a completely black wardrobe, almost as if it is an extension of his dress blacks.  And I like to say... his legs to all the way to the top.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 09:02:45 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 06:29:33 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/ell2.jpg)

Louisev,  no comment on our Ellery in uniform photo?     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 09:28:16 pm
How 'bout Ellery in black!  I even added a Laramie badge to his shirt ...  :laugh:
Can y'all tell I got nothing better to do??  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elPU-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 09:32:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 25, 2006, 07:44:00 pm
I just got home, and I am sitting at my computer with my mouth hanging open!  I can't believe you folks went to this tremendous load of trouble getting a floor plan for the house, the uniform, the beret...

Trouble? This is trouble? This is the way we spend our time waiting for the next chapter. LOL. I am waiting for the person who is brave enough to post a picture of "the toy." Believe me, I have several choices in my photobucket.... ;)

Quote
*astonished*

Just quickly, the patio steps are accessible from the right side of the house.  It is a small rancher with a single bedroom.  Roughly speaking, front room with four windows across, doorway to kitchen/dining area, sliding patio doors onto the patio which is mostly at the rear of the house but accessible from the right side.


Realistically...(other readers, join in with me here)...would there really be such a thing as a one bedroom home? Out there in the great big west? And, Ellery isn't right downtown, either. Louise, I think the house has to have two bedrooms at a minimum (one that Ellery has converted to an office), maybe three

Quote

No garage: a carport where the El Camino pulls in (good pic on the car, his is , um, red I think) and Ennis usually parks off to the side in his 72 Ford pickup.  Ennis hasn't met any neighbors but he worries about them peeking over the high impenetrable privacy hedges, though his recent hijinks on the patio indicate he may be getting over that.

Not to quibble, Louise, but ahem, the canon of "Taking Chances," chapter 13: Scenes of the Crime

"the deputy's long strides suddenly halted before a dark blue Chevy El Camino parked along the street..."

Good thing you have fans to research things for you  ;)

Quote
Pole and birdfeeder in the middle of the backyard with several medium size trees.  Let me see what else did you guys want to know?  Oh when I was posting a new chapter... er, it's 1:45 a.m. in Central Europe and tomorrow (er today) is a weekday, so not tonight.

Okay, so that gives us more reason to go find more pictures....  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 09:34:55 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 09:28:16 pm
How 'bout Ellery in black!  I even added a Laramie badge to his shirt ...  :laugh:
Can y'all tell I got nothing better to do??  ;D

LOL...we all need something better to do. Like that look, Lucise...badge is a nice touch  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 09:41:21 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 09:28:16 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elPU.jpg)

OMG!!!!    :o              That's Hot!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 09:43:02 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 09:41:21 pm
OMG!!!!    :o              That's Hot!   ;)


I too can see how Ennis will get all riled up with Ellery in black!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 09:44:03 pm
So, maybe I should start a poll but how many people here have thing for cops? In the fantasy sense, I mean. I know I do...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 09:46:26 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 09:44:03 pm
So, maybe I should start a poll but how many people here have thing for cops? In the fantasy sense, I mean. I know I do...

* Jumps up and down with both hands in the air ...*
All my friends will tell ya that I have been known to harbour some cop fantasies ,.... ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 25, 2006, 09:56:30 pm
Ok,  New Challenge!!     Find a picture of what you think "Dupree" looks like.    Either in uniform or his "Bar" outfit, the Army Camouflage look.    ;D

I'm picturing a Military style haircut, dark hair,  classic good looks, broad shoulders and a serious chest.  He of course works out alot.    But not TOO built.    Maybe 6 feet tall at the most.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 10:01:00 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 09:56:30 pm
Ok,  New Challenge!!     Find a picture of what you think "Dupree" looks like.    Either in uniform or his "Bar" outfit, the Army Camouflage look.    ;D

I'm picturing a Military style haircut, dark hair,  classic good looks, broad shoulders and a serious chest.  He of course works out alot.    But not TOO built.    Maybe 6 feet tall at the most.

I actually picture Dupree as a former HS football player physique.. 5'11" keeps himself in good shape...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 25, 2006, 10:27:01 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 10:01:00 pm
I actually picture Dupree as a former HS football player physique.. 5'11" keeps himself in good shape...

Hmmmm....I didn't get to Dupree yet...
I am still enjoying the first half of "Looking for answers"...
So you guys -  don't say too and ruin it for me... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:42:47 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 09:02:45 pm
Louisev,  no comment on our Ellery in uniform photo?     ;D

um, um. How do I say this?  This guy is way too young looking!  He is pretty but... I picture Ellery was the 30ish Keith Carradine.  and I promised to dig out pics, so let me do that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:47:38 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 25, 2006, 09:32:13 pm
Trouble? This is trouble? This is the way we spend our time waiting for the next chapter. LOL. I am waiting for the person who is brave enough to post a picture of "the toy." Believe me, I have several choices in my photobucket.... ;)

Realistically...(other readers, join in with me here)...would there really be such a thing as a one bedroom home? Out there in the great big west? And, Ellery isn't right downtown, either. Louise, I think the house has to have two bedrooms at a minimum (one that Ellery has converted to an office), maybe three

Not to quibble, Louise, but ahem, the canon of "Taking Chances," chapter 13: Scenes of the Crime

"the deputy's long strides suddenly halted before a dark blue Chevy El Camino parked along the street..."

Good thing you have fans to research things for you  ;)

Okay, so that gives us more reason to go find more pictures....  ;)

about the bedrooms... that is just how I picture it... I don't know enough about that part of the country to know whether they made homes with "only" one bedroom, I lived in Arizona in a two bedroom rancher in a tract housing and they did have one bedroom ones there... I dunno.  I suppose I didn't want an excuse for Ennis to set up housekeeping in a separate room, so there is one big ol' bedroom.  Maybe he knocked in a wall and made the two bedrooms into one large one?  hehehe

And you got me on the El Camino... I did say I THOUGHT it was red!

And eek!  You guys got rules on what you can post on this board?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:50:24 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 25, 2006, 09:56:30 pm
Ok,  New Challenge!!     Find a picture of what you think "Dupree" looks like.    Either in uniform or his "Bar" outfit, the Army Camouflage look.    ;D

I'm picturing a Military style haircut, dark hair,  classic good looks, broad shoulders and a serious chest.  He of course works out alot.    But not TOO built.    Maybe 6 feet tall at the most.

Dupree's description is "beefy." (I looked this up when someone proposed the skinny-as-hell Paul Bettany for the part.)  I did not specify eye color but he is nearly as tall as our two guys (so at least 6' 1") and on his time off favors military cammo and a soft field cap.  Hair very close cropped, color brown.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:55:44 am
Okay, sorry to ruin you guys' dreams but here is what I have in my mind's eye for Ellery's appearance:

(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/136/kcarradine9qb.jpg)

(that is a younger photo)

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1873/kc011yn.jpg)

(with of course longer hair).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 05:09:52 am
ok gang, I made an announcement, partly because of all of you!  I am hoping some of the more shy and reticent members of davecullen.com who don't dare blab too much about these stories in the Slash Discussion area feel more comfortable talking and participating here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/59433.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 05:46:31 am
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:47:38 am


And you got me on the El Camino... I did say I THOUGHT it was red!

LOL...like I said, it's turning into canon, and you've got readers.

Quote

And eek!  You guys got rules on what you can post on this board?

No full frontal nudity (that comes from Philip's ISP). And if we get too carried away, they may ask us to put an NC17 warning in the header. But we're nowhere close to that, yet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 05:51:16 am
well I was a little worried about what might happen if we started posting "toys"...!  And yes, blue El Camino it is.

I have already had a flicker of interest from my notice about Bettermost.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 05:53:24 am
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:55:44 am
Okay, sorry to ruin you guys' dreams but here is what I have in my mind's eye for Ellery's appearance:

(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/136/kcarradine9qb.jpg)

(that is a younger photo)

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1873/kc011yn.jpg)

(with of course longer hair).


This works, but our Italian model friend has definitely got better bedroom eyes  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sid401k on June 26, 2006, 06:04:47 am
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:55:44 am
Okay, sorry to ruin you guys' dreams but here is what I have in my mind's eye for Ellery's appearance:
     http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/136/kcarradine9qb.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/136/kcarradine9qb.jpg)
     (that is a younger photo)

     http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1873/kc011yn.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1873/kc011yn.jpg)
     (with of course longer hair).
Yes!  That's him!  (I always thought the other photo was a little too pretty and a lot too young.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 06:08:44 am
Quote from: Sid401k on June 26, 2006, 06:04:47 am
Yes!  That's him!  (I always thought the other photo was a little too pretty and a lot too young.)

Welcome, Sid. Glad to have you here.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 06:30:35 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 05:53:24 am
This works, but our Italian model friend has definitely got better bedroom eyes  ;)


ok well let's compromise... your Italian model can be "flashback Ellery" from when he was 18.  Because that guy doesn't look a day over 20!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 06:51:15 am
Slightly off topic but I have a feeling new folks will be joining us, due to Louise's message on her LJ.

New folks...welcome. I will try to say hello individually but I have one of those pesky things called a "real" job and I need to spend serious time at it this week. It's the end of the month and I have a number of projects with June 30 deadlines. I am going to try to stay off the board during the day...we'll see, that hasn't happened in months. But anyway..

I just wanted to give a little introduction, who we are and tell you why we are named Chez Tremblay, which I know is not intuitively obvious.

Way back when (like December), people started going to see BBM in the movie theater and as we all know, we have all had varying reactions to the movie--usually a profound, unsettling disquietude that doesn't go away. In an effort to assauge and understand these feelings, I sought out an online community and ended up at the Internet Movie Database (IMDb). It was a good discussion but as everyone knows, IMDb is crawling with trolls.

In late January, one of the regulars (Brandon) got the idea to start posting on the Pierre Tremblay board. Pierre was the 1st Assistant Director of the movie. Everyone at IMDb gets a board, but when Brandon discovered it, Pierre had 0 posts. It quickly became "home" for a group of us (I would guess about 200 folks).

We tracked Pierre down (I was the one who found his email address) to let him know what was going on. He actually started posting (a little bit) and his wife, Nicole, became a bit of a regular. One of the coolest things was that we came up with 10 questions about making the movie, and Pierre answered them all. Here's a great tidbit: the tobaggoning scene--that's was Pierre's idea. The original screenplay had Ennis and Alma spinning circles in their truck in a parking lot. But the weather wasn't cold enough for an icy parking lot and the scene wasn't working. Pierre suggested they go up to the mountains and go sledding instead. And I am sure that everyone has heard the story the Michelle twisted her knee, Heath went with her to the hospital, and this is when they started falling in love. Pierre confirmed this little tidbit of gossip to be true. [The ten questions are actually archived on this board somewhere if anyone wants to read them.]

We managed to keep it semi-private for about 6 weeks. At our peak, we had 20,000+ messages.

Then the trolls invaded.

They didn't just post hateful messages, they figured out a way to auto-delete. They started ripping through the board. We lost 10,000 messages in 6 days. By this time, we had truly become a community of people. A group had gotten together from the board and gone to the Aero screening. Another group was planning a brunch in NYC. The thought that these trolls could destroy our community...it was beyond overwhelming. We needed to find a new home.

And that is how we ended up here at Bettermost, bringing our moniker (Chez Tremblay, to honor Pierre's French-Canadian heritage) and our little band of die hard Brokies (also known as Tremblayans, but I am seeing that less and less).

I think, because of what we went through, we are a very friendly and welcoming group. Philip, who runs Bettermost, is also a terrific guy and has provided us with a happy and safe haven. Chez Tremblay...we try to stay on BBM topics but yeah, we get sidetracked. LOL.

I would encourage newcomers to spend some time exploring the board, not just the Ennis and Ellery thread, and not just Chez Tremblay (although I will admit, I don't venture too far--Anything Goes is fun, though). Welcome to ouir community and keep in mind the thing that brought us all together--a story and a movie that has grabbed us and just won't let us go...for whatever reason.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled Ennis and Ellery discussion!

Leslie
MaineWriter (LazyLFarm on LiveJournal)

PS, Feel free to PM me if you have questions, need more info, whatever...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 06:53:41 am
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 06:30:35 am
ok well let's compromise... your Italian model can be "flashback Ellery" from when he was 18.  Because that guy doesn't look a day over 20!

Works for me, but man oh man, Beagle doesn't deserve someone that good looking! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 06:59:28 am
I suppose as the nominal guest of honor on this thread I should make a comment about how thrilled I am that people have a place to openly discuss the fics.  They are big, they are long, and there are a lot of plots, characters, and actions involved.  And I have been able to incorporate some suggestions from readers into the plot as I go.  Some of the ideas I have incorporated:

1) Ennis's job:  came from a suggestion from a reader who runs a horse ranch
2) Ellery and Ennis expanding their culinary tastes to include a barbecue grille
3) Dupree exploring the Queer World and becoming better friends with Ennis
4) Jim flirting with Ennis and providing plot complications
5) Ennis seeking advice from Edna and bringing Edna and Wes more into the action in the 3rd book
6) The details of the AIDS plot and the clinical trials of the tests.
7) And of course Bottom!Ennis *blush*

I have also had legal advice from a lawyer, ranch advice from ranch folks, AIDS advice from an AIDS-experienced nurse (Leslie once more) and believe it or not, police information from a policeman! as well as some advice on firearms.

So if you have something you would urgently visualize as needing to be in the story then it might be worth tossing out there, because I might be able to incorporated something if it fits the plot.



So please speak up and talk about anything you would like to discuss here... ! and welcome.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:01:25 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 06:53:41 am
Works for me, but man oh man, Beagle doesn't deserve someone that good looking! LOL

Yes but he is lanky and has that androgynous beauty that would attract a man who is on the fence about his sexuality!  Not to mention the bitable lower lip.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 07:26:47 am
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:01:25 am
Yes but he is lanky and has that androgynous beauty that would attract a man who is on the fence about his sexuality!  Not to mention the bitable lower lip.

Pluckable, too...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on June 26, 2006, 07:27:24 am
Just wanted to introduce myself; I'm jumping in at louise's invitation. I'm a faithful reader of every single word (and there weren't enough of them yesterday!), having discovered "Taking Chances" on the slash thread at davecullen.com. I'm really enjoying the pics posted here. My own ideas wander and morph as I continue to read. Y'all get ready for a slew of new members as they read of this new "home!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:30:04 am
well I sure hope so.  I feel as though we all took our lumps already and it's time we got a little love going.

Welcome neatfreak!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 07:31:11 am
Quote from: neatfreak on June 26, 2006, 07:27:24 am
Just wanted to introduce myself; I'm jumping in at louise's invitation. I'm a faithful reader of every single word (and there weren't enough of them yesterday!), having discovered "Taking Chances" on the slash thread at davecullen.com. I'm really enjoying the pics posted here. My own ideas wander and morph as I continue to read. Y'all get ready for a slew of new members as they read of this new "home!"

Welcome, neatfreak...glad to have you here. This is going to be  great discussion. I am looking forward to the new people!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:41:48 am
for anyone who is wondering, yes I am updating "A Second Chance" today.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 07:57:46 am
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:41:48 am
for anyone who is wondering, yes I am updating "A Second Chance" today.

Yahoo!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 08:37:50 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/59863.html  "Chapter 37:  Politics"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 09:30:49 am
In honor of a new chapter this morning, I think we need this:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tejublueblutop.jpg)

"Chalk one up for the queers." LOL

Thanks, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 09:33:30 am
those ARE the blue lizardskin boots in question, definitely!!!  Thanks Leslie!

I also had another email from a lurking fan congratulating me (us) on the fan thread.  I think he might be joining us soon.  I also see some other new registrations by people I recognize!!!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Meira on June 26, 2006, 09:37:59 am
As a devoted fan of Louise's Ennis and Ellery stories, I am delighted to have been directed here to Chez Tremblay!   I won't be able to join in the conversation much for the next couple of weeks as my family and I are taking a road trip down the east coast (USA) and back, but I'll be around again as soon as I devour the chapters I missed while away.  I only wish we were headed west toward, you know... Wyoming!   ~Sigh~  another time....
Good to "meet" you all!!   -Meira

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 09:42:16 am
oh wow, welcome Meira.  I think we will be here when you get back...!  And there will surely be more to read!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 09:42:41 am
Quote from: Meira on June 26, 2006, 09:37:59 am
As a devoted fan of Louise's Ennis and Ellery stories, I am delighted to have been directed here to Chez Tremblay!   I won't be able to join in the conversation much for the next couple of weeks as my family and I are taking a road trip down the east coast (USA) and back, but I'll be around again as soon as I devour the chapters I missed while away.  I only wish we were headed west toward, you know... Wyoming!   ~Sigh~  another time....
Good to "meet" you all!!   -Meira



Welcome, Meira...join us when you can. I am sure you'll find plenty of Internet cafes on the road. Have a safe trip.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 26, 2006, 09:48:23 am
I've been worried about the car port.  I live in Arizona but moved here from Iowa.  Up north there are garages and few car ports.  Down here there are few garages and almost all car ports.  I looked up the weather in Laramie, and I see over the last winter that it did snow but from what I could find, it was not too heavy, not like in Iowa.  So I guess a car port is OK but somehow I don't think it would be too common.

The car port does solve the problem of seeing the patio from the front, and one bedroom the problem of access to the patio and to the living room.  I'm thinking that the kitchen is small and the kitchen table is the dining room.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 09:54:30 am
One of the reasons why Ellery doesn't have a "big fancy place" or big multi-bedroom rancher is because of his relatively stoic lifestyle.  Sparsely furnished, for a man who had planned to be alone after finally giving up following the breakup with Bill.  He isn't very materialistic, and so his home reflects this simplicity.  That was the thinking behind the "carport" rather than "garage" concept.

It does snow 11 months of the year in Wyoming, largely due to the mountain effects, but Laramie is in the southeast, out of the high mountainous terrain.  Hard to say whether it is "realistic" or not for him to have a carport, now that I think of it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 26, 2006, 09:55:43 am
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 07:54:35 pm
Ennis' first and second love... ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/ell.jpg)

Thanks for the pictures.  But now I guess we have another comparison to make.  I actually like the new man better!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 10:18:09 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/59930.html  "Chapter 38:  Fantasies"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: lowcountrygirl on June 26, 2006, 10:24:48 am
Hey!

I just found my way over here and am glad to find a place to talk freely about Ennis and Ellery. As an "Ennis" myself, reading this series has been extremely therapeutic!

I look forward to hanging out here more!

Jeanine :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 10:35:10 am
Welcome, Jeanine...happy to have you here.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 26, 2006, 10:36:35 am
Yesterday I went online to www.Realtor.com and did a search of properties forsale in Laramie, Wyoming.     

What a wide variety of homes forsale!   From run down shacks for $92,000 up to big nice homes in the $600,000 range.     

But many of the homes did NOT have garages!   The more expensive ones did.   

But check it out.  The photos will give you a good idea of the landscape too.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 10:48:44 am
hm, I guess this one comes the closest in terms of "plain and simpleness" despite the lack of windows across the front

http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?snum=12&mlsttl=&frm=bymap&pgnum=2&mls=xmls&js=on&target=&ct=Laramie&st=WY&sbint=&sbls=&sblo=&stype=&areaid=31454&mnsqft=&fid=so&vtsort=&mnprice=0&mxprice=225000&mnbed=1&mnbath=1&typ=1&poe=realtor&x=16&y=11&sid=06D73582DAB6C&snumxlid=1057402836&lnksrc=00001
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 26, 2006, 10:55:49 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 26, 2006, 10:36:35 am
Yesterday I went online to www.Realtor.com and did a search of properties forsale in Laramie, Wyoming.     

What a wide variety of homes forsale!   From run down shacks for $92,000 up to big nice homes in the $600,000 range.     

But many of the homes did NOT have garages!   The more expensive ones did.   

But check it out.  The photos will give you a good idea of the landscape too.

Great David.  I did check it out.  There were a small number of one bedroom houses.  I saw a lot of garages, some not attached. The prices to this old codger's mind are out of this world.  Ellery is not materialistic, figured he would live alone, so I can see him in a one bedroom house with a carport, or even no garage at all. It evidently doesn't snow there like it does in Iowa!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 10:58:20 am
He would have bought the house in 78 or 79, about four years before.  Chances are the prices were about 25% of what they are now!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 11:02:49 am
Louise -- that place looks like a dump! LOL I refuse to have Ennis and Ellery living in a dump!!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0600139.jpg)


How about this, also for sale?


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0600307.jpg)

This one has one bedroom, one bath, so it would be the right size.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0600268.jpg)


All in all, I am NOT impressed with the real estate for sale in Laramie. Thank goodness I am not planning on moving there...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 26, 2006, 11:04:53 am
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 10:58:20 am
He would have bought the house in 78 or 79, about four years before.  Chances are the prices were about 25% of what they are now!!!
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Louisev, I think the prices would have been even less, at least 50% lower than now.  A one bedroom, one bath, say 800 square foot home would be pretty small.  I have lived in such circumstances.  But I think it fit Ellery to a T!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 11:08:51 am
This one is two bedrooms, one bath, 882 sq. feet. We can just tear down the garage.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0500403.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 11:11:00 am
At the risk of sounding like I am teasing, Ellery's home is a simple rancher, nothing fancy.  Certainly not a dump... but he is a single man alone who has little interest in anything but his privacy and his job.  Remember his incipient workaholism in between his sparse relationships!

By the way I am reminded, since Beagle is about to join the plot in real time, has anyone got any ideas on what he should look like?

About the same height as Ellery (Ellery was 6'2" at the beginning of college and gained a little height by the time he graduated), heavier, and at the time of his college years, normal build, outweighing and outmassing Ellery enough to dominate him physically (but that is not hard to do,) long brown hair and deep liquid brown eyes.  Handsome enough by normal standards, but of the two Ellery was definitely the looker.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 11:11:55 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 11:08:51 am
This one is two bedrooms, one bath, 882 sq. feet. We can just tear down the garage.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0500403.jpg)


ok, that Ellery could buy....!  *hee hee*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 26, 2006, 11:12:52 am
Agreed!  I wasn't too impressed with the houses in Lamarmie either.   Not unless you have $300,000 or more to spend!

Here is what I kinda think they'd have.  Although it might be just a bit too fancy on the front.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 11:18:00 am
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 11:11:55 am
ok, that Ellery could buy....!  *hee hee*

Okay, so we have a house. And when Lucise gets back online, we'll have her photoshop out the garage.
And here are a few more details:

67 Upper Road
Laramie, WY  82070

    * Single Family Property
    * Area: South-west Laramie
    * Subdivision: Mountain Home
    * Year Built: 1965
    * 2 total bedroom(s)
    * 1.00 total bath(s)
    * 1 total three-quarter bath(s)
    * 6 total rooms
    * Approximately 882.00 sq. ft.
    * Style: Cabin
    * Living room
    * Kitchen
    * Living room is 16x17
    * Kitchen is 8x16
    * Fireplace(s)
    * Heating features: Gas
    * Interior features: Breakfast area, Fireplace(s)
    * Exterior features: Elec. srvc on-site, Elect. srvc avail., Hill/mountain view, Septic sewer system, Telephone srvc avail., Trees, Water supply from well(s), Wooded
    * View
    * Hill/mountain view
    * Approximately 0.6 acre(s)
    * Lot size is between 1/2 and 1 acre
    * Elementary School: Harmony

   

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: lowcountrygirl on June 26, 2006, 11:20:27 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 11:02:49 am
Louise -- that place looks like a dump! LOL I refuse to have Ennis and Ellery living in a dump!!

This one has one bedroom, one bath, so it would be the right size.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0600268.jpg)


This is the one I like of the three!

Jeanine
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 11:22:07 am
you know I like that one too!  We have to have hedges and trees...

And of course we don't actually have to AGREE on a house since it *ahem* doesnt really exist.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: lowcountrygirl on June 26, 2006, 11:22:38 am
But I like David's suggestion best of all!

Jeanine
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 26, 2006, 11:30:18 am
I photoshopped my pic to make it less fancy.   Got rid of the sidewalk to the street and one of the gable roofs in front.   Now it looks better.

Second pic I removed the shutters.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 11:33:36 am
Beagle... an Eddie Van Halen, look perhaps? Although Eddie is only 5'8" but we could stretch him out...This would be the college Beagle, of course! Now he is paunchy and balding, right? LOL

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/halen20cover20pic.jpg)

Is this what Eddie Van Halen grew up to be?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/1107190069_business-man.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 26, 2006, 11:44:32 am
Beagle..  He'll be balding, much heavier and still a jerk.   Still married, but a womanizer.   He'll also expect Ellery to "put out" for him when he mentions coming over for a visit.   

Ellery should politely tell him no thanks, kiss Ennis in front of him, then walk away.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 11:46:04 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 26, 2006, 11:44:32 am
Beagle..  He'll be balding, much heavier and still a jerk.   Still married, but a womanizer.   He'll also expect Ellery to "put out" for him when he mentions coming over for a visit.   

Ellery should politely tell him no thanks, kiss Ennis in front of him, then walk away.

Go read the latest chapter, David, he says he's divorced....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 12:07:22 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 26, 2006, 11:44:32 am
Beagle..  He'll be balding, much heavier and still a jerk.   Still married, but a womanizer.   He'll also expect Ellery to "put out" for him when he mentions coming over for a visit.   

Ellery should politely tell him no thanks, kiss Ennis in front of him, then walk away.

he would definitely be heavier, but I see him sort of as a "getting bigger" husky guy.  Never good to weigh the odds too heavily against yesteryear's jerk.  hehe

The idea of "stretching out Eddie Van Halen" might give me nightmares tonight...!!!!

What do you guys think of a slightly cleaned up Jeff Bridges a la "Big Lebowski" ?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 26, 2006, 12:12:48 pm
Quote from: lowcountrygirl on June 26, 2006, 11:20:27 am
This is the one I like of the three!

Jeanine


So do I.  But it shouldn't be on a corner, and has to have more privacy and be set on a laarger lot.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 12:22:13 pm
Wowowow! 
Welcome to all the new Bettermost members!!
It's a pleasure to have you here with us!!

I am glad that we haven't completely discarded the 'old Ellery', even if he is too young-looking and too pretty!  ;)
I'll try and start getting used to the new Ellery ...  ;D


(http://thursdays.com/pic200/carradine1066.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 12:25:16 pm
well to be quite frank, I think you guys can have whatever house, character actor you like even if they are different!  As long as you don't change the El Camino!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 26, 2006, 12:27:40 pm
Let's hire an architect from the university.  Plan on one bedroom, one bath, a carport, a large spacious patio entering from the bedroom and from the kitchen, with a brick veneer front and shingles on the sides and in the back, and four windows facing the street.  About a 1,000 square feet should do it.

Beagle has to be attractive.  He is only around 38, a lawyer, and he keeps himself in good shape. He poses a threat to E&Es relationship.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 12:32:50 pm
he isn't a lawyer actually.  His father is.  He is (though I haven't written this part yet) an insurance adjuster.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on June 26, 2006, 12:33:54 pm
Hey,  I too was directed here by our Louise.  Doing a great job.  Much better that anything thats on TV.  

Best
gn411
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 26, 2006, 12:34:42 pm
Lucise, the picture of the new Ellery is great!  Now I can see how Ennis is settling into his new relationship without forgetting Jack.  The new Ellery looks like he can handle it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 12:36:18 pm
Quote from: gn411 on June 26, 2006, 12:33:54 pm
Hey,  I too was directed here by our Louise.  Doing a great job.  Much better that anything thats on TV.  

Best
gn411

TV?  What's that?
World Cup?  Cup of what?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 12:54:50 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 12:07:22 pm


What do you guys think of a slightly cleaned up Jeff Bridges a la "Big Lebowski" ?

Like this?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/425.jpg)

or this?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/thebiglebowski.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 01:01:03 pm
Ok..I know this is going back for alot of you, but I am still in "Looking for Answers"...

This is how I pictured GENE:

(http://www.fototime.com/%7BC02D8BAE-3036-4356-8F4D-03255EA35FF4%7D/picture.JPG)


..and I always pictured WAYNE as a Jude Law type...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/JL.jpg)

 ;D


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 01:03:46 pm
We also need to get a picture/image of Lauren.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 01:05:58 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 26, 2006, 01:01:03 pm
Ok..I know this is going back for alot of you, but I am still in "Looking for Answers"...

This is how I pictured GENE:

(http://www.fototime.com/%7BC02D8BAE-3036-4356-8F4D-03255EA35FF4%7D/picture.JPG)

whoa!  Gene Autry!  Hubba.  What a body!

..and I always pictured WAYNE as a Jude Law type...
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/JL.jpg)


there are some pics over at davecullen.com which is a good Wayne as well.

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne1.jpg) (http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne2.jpg) (http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)

“I told you. Boy’s a slut. Makes him very attentive to the customers,
cause he’s always goin for that extra tip that means a little action after the bar closes.”

And Wayne is very much NOT out of the picture !
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 01:09:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 01:05:58 pm
there are some pics over at davecullen.com which is a good Wayne as well.
 (http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)

“I told you. Boy’s a slut. Makes him very attentive to the customers,
cause he’s always goin for that extra tip that means a little action after the bar closes.”

And Wayne is very much NOT out of the picture !

Now THIS dude - I can see as being Wayne too!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on June 26, 2006, 01:23:48 pm
I left Friday when there were around 5 or 6 posts under this thread.  Checking in this morning, there are already over 140 posts. Things like red tank top, Ellery in uniform, blue boots, Ellery’s house, blue El Camino, casting of various roles (Beagle, Dupree, Wayne, etc) and much more have all been covered.

You guys are riots. I see a thread of “You know you are obsessed with Ennis and Ellery when….” coming.  David or Leslie, maybe you should just jump right into it. ;D

And a big welcome to all the people come to BetterMost.  As we always say here, sit a spell and chat a little, you want some coffee, piece of cherry cake?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 01:32:55 pm
Quote from: JennyC on June 26, 2006, 01:23:48 pm
I left Friday when there were around 5 or 6 posts under this thread.  Checking in this morning, there are already over 140 posts. Things like red tank top, Ellery in uniform, blue boots, Ellery’s house, blue El Camino, casting of various roles (Beagle, Dupree, Wayne, etc) and much more have all been covered.

You guys are riots. I see a thread of “You know you are obsessed with Ennis and Ellery when….” coming.  David or Leslie, maybe you should just jump right into it. ;D

And a big welcome to all the people come to BetterMost.  As we always say here, sit a spell and chat a little, you want some coffee, piece of cherry cake?


Ha ha, when you left Friday, Jenny, this thread didn't exist. We were talking about E&E on the 1000+ posts thread and I decided it was a topic that warranted its own discussion. Obviously I was right.

We are thrilled to have Louise here, as well as many readers and new Bettermost members.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 01:35:52 pm
*blush!*  hi JennyC!  Feel free to join the party.

And folks, if you haven't seen them, there are updates today.  I am actually working on another chapter which... is not work safe.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 01:39:42 pm
Just for fun cuz it makes us mad....grrrrr....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/delmontelogos.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 02:02:34 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/60306.html  "Chapter 39:  Needing It"

This is what I call a stunt chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on June 26, 2006, 02:06:18 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 01:32:55 pm
Ha ha, when you left Friday, Jenny, this thread didn't exist. We were talking about E&E on the 1000+ posts thread and I decided it was a topic that warranted its own discussion. Obviously I was right.


You are right, Leslie.  I think I actually checked the thread Saturday early morning before I left for the weekend trip, when I was supposed to finish packing.   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on June 26, 2006, 02:19:41 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 01:35:52 pm
*blush!*  hi JennyC!  Feel free to join the party.

HAHA, it’s me who should do the blushing here.  Some people here know that I normally stay clear discussion of explicit [cough] scenes.  But I should say that I have been gradually corrupted by the collective “raunchiness” of our genius members here.  If I don’t provide comments for some chapters, please know that I am busy blushing ;).

If I may Louise, I would like to make a little plea here.  Can you write some more scenes there Ellery really kicks some a** around, whether in the court, in the office, or in the bar?  His language (ok, it’s really yours) is so humorous and colorful.  I really get a kick out of his sarcasm.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 02:22:05 pm
oh I see!  So you're a blusher.  You might want to reserve a  :o icon for the chapter I just wrote them, it's a doozy.

Yeah I like Ellery's explosive temper too.  There will be opportunities for him to explode, don't worry.  He still has Amos, Bill, Justin the murderer, and of course his favorite target - Wayne, to blow up at!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 02:24:39 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 02:22:05 pm
  There will be opportunities for him to explode, don't worry. 

I think Ellery is exploding very fine right now thank you ... ;D
Ok...one-track dirty mind talking..never mind me.. :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 02:27:35 pm
Quote from: JennyC on June 26, 2006, 02:19:41 pm
HAHA, it’s me who should do the blushing here.  Some people here know that I normally stay clear discussion of explicit [cough] scenes.  But I should say that I have been gradually corrupted by the collective “raunchiness” of our genius members here.  If I don’t provide comments for some chapters, please know that I am busy blushing ;).


Ha, ha...back in the day, sweet Jenny was telling people to skip chapter 2 of my story (when all they really needed to skip was the first 2 paragraphs!). Now she has been corrupted by our collective raunchiness...is this a good thing? Oh well, get ready to hold onto your boots, Jenny, Chapter 39 is a humdinger!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_L_TKnot.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/L_TKnot.jpg)



L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on June 26, 2006, 02:40:17 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 02:27:35 pm
Now she has been corrupted by our collective raunchiness...is this a good thing? Oh well, get ready to hold onto your boots, Jenny, Chapter 39 is a humdinger!

Depending who you ask... ;)

Chapter 39:
 :o
  (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/MTV_Award/blush.jpg)
 :-X
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 03:06:27 pm
Hey everyone --

I just got the notice about this new forum over here.  I've been reading the newly dubbed Laramie Saga since chapter 4 of Taking Chances was posted -- you know that really wasn't all that long ago!  I love the idea of having a place to talk about it more!  Of course, I'm currently quite a few chapters behind, so I's going to go catch up a bit!

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 03:08:04 pm
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 03:06:27 pm
Hey everyone --

I just got the notice about this new forum over here.  I've been reading the newly dubbed Laramie Saga since chapter 4 of Taking Chances was posted -- you know that really wasn't all that long ago!  I love the idea of having a place to talk about it more!  Of course, I'm currently quite a few chapters behind, so I's going to go catch up a bit!

Monica

Welcome, Monica. Glad to have you here!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 03:11:25 pm
OK, what's the deal with getting an avatar?  I set it up in my profile just like it is over at Dave Cullen's forum, but the url just disappears when I click Change Profile...

 >:(

EDIT:  Ok, never mind.    *grumbles*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 03:18:13 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 03:08:04 pm
Welcome, Monica. Glad to have you here!

L

*waves*  Hi Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 03:19:55 pm
Hello Monica and all other new comers!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/wel1.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 03:22:43 pm
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 03:18:13 pm
*waves*  Hi Leslie!

Hi Monica, *leslie waves back*  You have an avatar now, I see...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 03:45:05 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 03:22:43 pm
You have an avatar now, I see...

Heh.  Yep.  Sometimes you have to be smarter than the software!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 03:52:20 pm
Forgive me if this has been quoted, but I couldn't resist..

A Second Chance, Chap 30:

“Ya know...” Ennis said as they rounded the curve on the county road that dumped off onto Ellery’s street... “yer formers are gettin a little thick on the ground, Ellery.”

LMAO!  Where do you come up with this dialog, Louise?  I love it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 03:59:22 pm
I, for one, am waiting for them to get back to this conversation...

“That don’t matter Ennis. I never felt this way about Bill an we was together four years more or less. I want you ta be my partner… in every way. Ta share everythin.”

<a bit of dialog deleted>

Ennis leaned over and pressed his lips softly against Ellery’s cheek. “I love you too, darlin. Feel better. We can talk about it later, okay? I got ta go.”


That was back on what, Friday or Saturday and we're up to Wednesday now...some eager readers like the romance, as well as all the other stuff...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:03:17 pm
uh, er... I actually lifted "thick on the ground" from a recent advice column by Dan Savage, who is the soul of wit and has the sharp tongue of Ellery Cantrell if I ever read it.  He wrote, in response to a reader's letter asking if there was a chance of there being any Thai ladyboy prostitutes in vicinity of his home in Ohio, and Dan's reply was that he buy a ticket to fly to Thailand where "Thai ladyboys are thick on the ground."

Now you know where I dig up my wild expressions.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:08:16 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 03:59:22 pm
I, for one, am waiting for them to get back to this conversation...

“That don’t matter Ennis. I never felt this way about Bill an we was together four years more or less. I want you ta be my partner… in every way. Ta share everythin.”

<a bit of dialog deleted>

Ennis leaned over and pressed his lips softly against Ellery’s cheek. “I love you too, darlin. Feel better. We can talk about it later, okay? I got ta go.”


That was back on what, Friday or Saturday and we're up to Wednesday now...some eager readers like the romance, as well as all the other stuff...

L

hehehe all in good time.

I should be sleeping but what am I doing? writing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 04:11:28 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:08:16 pm
hehehe all in good time.

I should be sleeping but what am I doing? writing.

Do we get some *crickets* Louise? Then we'll know we've really arrived. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:38:19 pm
hhehe no crickets yet.

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/60632.html  "Chapter 40:  Interrupted"

A chapter for all you Wayne lovers.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pgcatz on June 26, 2006, 04:41:32 pm
There is no Ennis without Jack.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 04:58:50 pm
Quote from: pgcatz on June 26, 2006, 04:41:32 pm
There is no Ennis without Jack.


I think Ennis knows that nobody can replace Jack - first loves are like that..
Post-Jack, I really wouldn't want to see Ennis roll up and die in his sad lil trailer.  :-\
I am sure that Jack would want him to be happy ...
and if it takes Ellery to do it, then so be it!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Meira on June 26, 2006, 05:05:29 pm
Quote from: pgcatz on June 26, 2006, 04:41:32 pm
There is no Ennis without Jack.

Right, that's why Ennis keeps Jack always in his heart and hears his voice inside his head sometimes. That is what you meant,  I hope.   I personallly believe that it was Jack's voice and guiding love from above that supported and guided Ennis in his search for self at the Red Stallion, and ultimately led him to Ellery. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on June 26, 2006, 05:09:55 pm
Quote from: pgcatz on June 26, 2006, 04:41:32 pm
There is no Ennis without Jack.

There are a few ways to interpret your post here, just want to make sure I understand what you mean. 

True, there won’t be the Ennis we came to know in the story/movie, had it not been Jack.  If you mean that Ennis could not find happiness with someone else after Jack’s death, then that’s up to everyone’s interpretation of Ennis’s character.  No one, not even Anne, can provide a definite answer to this question.  When looking into the unknown, what matters is what you believe in as a result of your own personal experience and belief.  Some of us here believe Ennis could have a sweet life after Jack.  Ellery is just the right guy for Ennis if you get to know him.  Of course, that does not mean everyone have to agree with the same.

So to each and their own.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 26, 2006, 05:25:36 pm
There is no doubt that Jack and Ennis were deeply in love with eachother.   Even in the last scene together you see the sadness in Jacks face as he gets ready to depart.  Ennis will never forget about Jack.  I think most of us still carry part of our first love with us in our hearts.     But I truly believe that a person can love more than one person.   And often there are different types of love.  Love of partner, love of family, love of friendship. 

(http://static.flickr.com/63/175408393_11eb61344f.jpg?v=0)

Ellery is a good man.  And a good match for Ennis.   It is nice to see Ennis get the life now that he denied himself earlier.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 05:43:19 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 04:38:19 pm
A chapter for all you Wayne lovers.

ME ME ME ME!

Oh Louise, please do tell me that the speculation that Wayne has HIV is... just speculation.  I want him back.  I want him back in the bar to make wise ass comments uniquely suited to ruffling Ennis' feathers!

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 05:46:22 pm
I posted this in my LJ somewhere that Wayne will not be "killed off" in my plan for this book.  Wayne is based upon a man I actually know who was diagnosed in 1986.  It is now 20 years later and he began to respond to one of the many sequences of drugs that were tried out to stem the tide of infection, and he got lucky.  His health has not been good, and sometimes he has been quite sick, but he is alive, and still able to work.  Some people do survive.  Not a lot from this era, but just as there are those like Justin Worrell who contracted it, infected others and is now facing only months more of life, there are those, who, as I have planned it now, are like Wayne.

I don't like giving plot points away but I know it is also hard to bond to a character if you know he has a fatal disease, so I'm giving that one away for free.   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 05:58:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 01:05:58 pm
(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)

“I told you. Boy’s a slut. Makes him very attentive to the customers,
cause he’s always goin for that extra tip that means a little action after the bar closes.”

And Wayne is very much NOT out of the picture !

** SQUEEE **

Glad I went and read the first 11 pages here guys -- y'all are killing me with all the photos of the details!  And then THERE was my boy Wayne!  *sigh*

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 06:00:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 05:46:22 pm
I posted this in my LJ somewhere that Wayne will not be "killed off" in my plan for this book. 

I don't like giving plot points away but I know it is also hard to bond to a character if you know he has a fatal disease, so I'm giving that one away for free.   :-*

Many Thanks Louise.  This takes a load off for for sure.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 06:01:50 pm
I am keeping track of all these pictures, because eventually, we need to see pictures of the whole cast!
Ok..maybe not the whole cast, but the MAIN people... ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 06:05:32 pm
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 06:00:13 pm
Many Thanks Louise.  This takes a load off for for sure.

hey!  How did he get to be YOUR boy?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 06:57:44 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 06:05:32 pm
hey!  How did he get to be YOUR boy?

 ;D  ;D  What can I say.  Founding member of the Wayne fan club.

*waves membership card*

Me likes me some pretty boy man-slut, I tell you.  Him's that parade around like a prize heifer with a barely-clothed chest, a glittering gold ring in his left ear and eyeliner on his eyelids.  ;)


Ok, at least the picture was mine.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:03:40 pm
whoa whoa whoa!

I told you Lovem, it ain't gonna be that way....!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 26, 2006, 07:12:56 pm
How is this for a picture of Dupree?   He is in his bar outfit!   LOL.



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:25:40 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 26, 2006, 07:12:56 pm
How is this for a picture of Dupree?   He is in his bar outfit!   LOL.





HOLY SMOKES.  I got ta get me some a that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 26, 2006, 07:27:50 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:25:40 pm
HOLY SMOKES.  I got ta get me some a that.

LOL !    Indeed!    Wait till Wayne sees Dupree!   He'll be swooning!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 07:30:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:03:40 pm
whoa whoa whoa!

I told you Lovem, it ain't gonna be that way....!

WHUT?  You mean I gotta share him?   ???
You, my dear, of course can have membership card #1.  Mines #2.   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:31:48 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 26, 2006, 07:27:50 pm
LOL !    Indeed!    Wait till Wayne sees Dupree!   He'll be swooning!

uh. OH.  OH.

David you just gave me the most horrible, wonderful idea.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 07:32:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:31:48 pm
uh. OH.  OH.

David you just gave me the most horrible, wonderful idea.

ooohhhh isn't this little forum just great? LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 26, 2006, 07:35:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 26, 2006, 07:31:48 pm
David you just gave me the most horrible, wonderful idea.

*Squee*!

And yes - you and I BOTH are supposed to be leaving the forum.  Go - right now - turn off your computer! 

LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 26, 2006, 08:18:06 pm
Ellery in College?  How could Beagle walk away from that?

(http://static.flickr.com/66/161838566_1329822370_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 08:25:27 pm
Hehe ...
Seeing as I am obsessed with seeing Ellery in his uniform..

Here, how about this ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_KC.jpg)

 ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 26, 2006, 09:23:33 pm
David, who could walk away from that, indeed.  What a great artist you are!

Lucise, Who could walk away from him?  Now I can see how Ennis can find a new love, and still be faithful to Jack.  I miss Jack too.  But loving Ellery doesn't negate his love for Jack.

These pictures are great, and give me a visual handle on the goings on in the story.

Now, how about a picture of Jack and Ennis together, say the fireside scene with Ennis behind and humming in Jack's ear and then something comparable that one or both of you two artistic gentlemen can dream up?

I'm waiting
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 09:27:30 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 26, 2006, 09:23:33 pm
David, who could walk away from that, indeed.  What a great artist you are!

Lucise, Who could walk away from him?  Now I can see how Ennis can find a new love, and still be faithful to Jack.  I miss Jack too.  But loving Ellery doesn't negate his love for Jack.

These pictures are great, and give me a visual handle on the goings on in the story.

Now, how about a picture of Jack and Ennis together, say the fireside scene with Ennis behind and humming in Jack's ear and then something comparable that one or both of you two artistic gentlemen can dream up?

I'm waiting

Great you are liking the pics Scudder.
I am pretty visual myself and I need to know Ellery's face to imagine his expressions of joy, ecstacy, anger...makes it a more vivid experience .... Same goes for all the other characters.

Another thing - David and Lucise are gentleman and lady, respectively..lol  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 26, 2006, 09:34:40 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 26, 2006, 09:23:33 pm
Now, how about a picture of Jack and Ennis together, say the fireside scene with Ennis behind and humming in Jack's ear

This one?   This is from the movie.  No photoshop required.

(http://static.flickr.com/40/93982934_0b7f81c581.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 09:36:55 pm
David supplied the close-up, how bout the full shot?  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/s_emb.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on June 26, 2006, 09:48:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 05:04:52 pm
Guess I better not forget to get some doughboys!!

(http://mcraeclan.com/links/g/Doughboy.gif)

..and some 'Glenfiddle' ...

(http://www.singlemaltsdirect.com/acatalog/glenfiddich_anc18_b.jpg)


* rubs hands in anticipation ...*   ;D




Milli, you are priceless....only you could find this...

We seriously need help around here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on June 26, 2006, 09:50:12 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 25, 2006, 07:54:35 pm
Ennis' first and second love... ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/ell.jpg)

This is way too heartbreaking for me.. :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 09:57:59 pm
Quote from: DeeDee on June 26, 2006, 09:48:36 pm

We seriously need help around here.

Some say to-may-to, others say to-mah-to...
I think we are doing just fine - no help needed Dee!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 10:22:45 pm
Ok, how about a younger Keith Carradine as a young Ellery ... :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en-1.jpg)


I promise to go do something else after this, instead of obsessing over pix ...lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 10:39:03 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 26, 2006, 10:22:45 pm
Ok, how about a younger Keith Carradine as a young Ellery ... :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en-1.jpg)


I promise to go do something else after this, instead of obsessing over pix ...lol

Milli, this is actually a very sexy looking pic, I have to say...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 10:47:30 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 26, 2006, 10:39:03 pm
Milli, this is actually a very sexy looking pic, I have to say...

Why, thank you Leslie!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 26, 2006, 11:11:52 pm
Mr. David: your close up is great.  You can see Ennis' face.
Ms Lucise: the full shot is great.  You can see Jack's face.

Can you artists fix it so we can see both Jack's and Ennis' face?

Ms. Lucise:  the younger Carradine is OK, but I'd like to see the new Ellery instead.
 and my appologies to you.  I do know a lady when I see one.  And so you are!

To bed.  Early to bed etc.  That's why I am healthy, wealthy and wise.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 26, 2006, 11:17:57 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 26, 2006, 11:11:52 pm
Mr. David: your close up is great.  You can see Ennis' face.
Ms Lucise: the full shot is great.  You can see Jack's face.

Can you artists fix it so we can see both Jack's and Ennis' face?

Ms. Lucise:  the younger Carradine is OK, but I'd like to see the new Ellery instead.
 and my appologies to you.  I do know a lady when I see one.  And so you are!


No need for apologies Scudder, you are only the 50th person to call me Mr Lucise ..lol
I am off to read some more Ennis and Ellery...
yeehaw!!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 05:14:36 am
Quote from: Lucise on June 26, 2006, 08:25:27 pm
Hehe ...
Seeing as I am obsessed with seeing Ellery in his uniform..

Here, how about this ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_KC.jpg)

 ;D

Keith Carradine would DIE!  I love it.  Yes.  Yes indeed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 05:16:30 am
Lynne--

Welcome to our little group, although I know you are not new to Bettermost. Glad to have you here.

It's funny, I wrote my story and had all these (obsessed) fans writing, screaming for more...but being the author and knowing what was going to happen, more or less, I could be calm about the whole thing. Now I am on the other side...totally obsessed! What a story. What fun this all is. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 05:22:13 am
Quote from: Lynne on June 27, 2006, 12:09:48 am

Welcome to BetterMost, Louise & all of your fans - thank you for your gift to the Brokeback Mountain community.

-Lynne

I don't know what to say.  I walked into my office a little while ago, checked into Bettermost, saw all of the photoshop work these busy fans have done, and my stomach is flipping.

I have been a novelist for the past ten years, went through the wilting experience of having my friends say "Sorry I don't read" and "how long is it?" and ultimately convincing the occasional anonymous stranger to read my (rather lengthy) novels all the way through, to middling responses, and it wasn't until very recently when more and more people began to comment on my Livejournal that I realized what "having an audience" meant.  It is strange, it is intoxicating, and it is a bit overwhelming.  Thank you for the welcome, Lynne, I got an email yesterday welcoming me from the administrator of the board, and I have to say that I feel "not quite ready" for the kind of limelight I am getting.  But I'm beaming wildly all at the same time.  Thank you so much for letting me know how much you enjoy my fics, and for giving such positive and helpful feedback.

And yes, David really DID give me a very good and very evil idea.  Keep the evil ideas coming, because some of them are quite usable.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 05:37:24 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 05:16:30 am

It's funny, I wrote my story and had all these (obsessed) fans writing, screaming for more...but being the author and knowing what was going to happen, more or less, I could be calm about the whole thing. Now I am on the other side...totally obsessed! What a story. What fun this all is. LOL


oooh goodie does this mean I get to blame you for all the screaming fans?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 05:44:40 am
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 05:37:24 am
oooh goodie does this mean I get to blame you for all the screaming fans?

Blame away...LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 06:44:09 am
Quote from: scudder on June 26, 2006, 11:11:52 pm
Mr. David: your close up is great.  You can see Ennis' face.
Ms Lucise: the full shot is great.  You can see Jack's face.

Can you artists fix it so we can see both Jack's and Ennis' face?

I had this one posted first, but then switched it for the one with a better view of Ennis's face.    But I'll never argue against seeing Jack/Jakes handsome face either!  :)

(http://static.flickr.com/19/91405334_06b00ce2b0.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 07:11:30 am
it's looking at photos like these that make me want to write another disjointed Jack flashback of rolling around naked on a riverbank you know....

I wonder if this thread could endure little drabbles of that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 07:19:30 am
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 07:11:30 am
it's looking at photos like these that make me want to write another disjointed Jack flashback of rolling around naked on a riverbank you know....

I wonder if this thread could endure little drabbles of that.

Speaking for the group (and group, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am)...yes, we could.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 08:06:30 am
Thanks David for the great foto of the two of them.  It's beautiful. Just right.
And Louise a few drabbles would be a good way to show the contrast between Ennis' first love and the blossoming and deepening love with Ellery.  Now that I have a good visualization of Ellery the pain of the loss of Jack is slowly lessening, but I know it will never go away.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 08:11:56 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/61012.html  "Chapter 41:  Lies, And More Lies"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 08:12:27 am
Quote from: scudder on June 27, 2006, 08:06:30 am
Thanks David for the great foto of the two of them.  It's beautiful. Just right.
And Louise a few drabbles would be a good way to show the contrast between Ennis' first love and the blossoming and deepening love with Ellery.  Now that I have a good visualization of Ellery the pain of the loss of Jack is slowly lessening, but I know it will never go away.

hmmm well now that I sort of have my feet wet in the drabble world I might just do so!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 10:01:10 am
and I did.
Inspired by that photo of Jack and Ennis, a 250 word drabble.

That warm spot

right beneath his ear. He stroked it with his thumb, feeling the solid, living pulse… did it leap at his touch? It shows, he wants me, that is part a why I want em so bad.  The betrayal of that pulsating spot, the halting of his breath, arrested by Ennis's hand closing over the tight muscles of his upper shoulder.  C’mere, c’mere boy… and he would turn, flashing those mischievous eyes… I know what you want Ennis, they said to him, wordless, his lips curving up slowly into the knowing smile, with a knowledge beyond both of their years.

It made him feel naughty, prickly, horny and breathless.  He kissed it, rising to the challenge, to wipe out the triumph of knowledge in the form of that smirk, it had to go, he had to meet it, to overcome it, and it dragged his body along behind, now beyond temptation, surrendering to a sensuality that lay in the bare inch between their bodies as he pulled him down, indifferent to the dew-laden grass.  “Jesus Ennis you gonna go again?” came the surprised, delighted question.

“You got a problem with that?” his voice, low, demanding the answer both expected as he nuzzled into that pulse once more, throwing a leg over his bucking thighs, mounting him like a rearing horse before its final plunge, subduing it with the power of his body, grasping his hips and putting him right where he belonged, butted up snug against him as he came erect.

“Hell no.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 10:11:32 am
Ennis hasn't changed!  He has only gotten more sophisticated and of course has a nice comfortable bed.  Great Louise.  I wish I could get one of those sex headaches, but I guess I have missed my opportunities along the way.  Fantasy is apoor substitute, but a substitute it is. Please carry on, Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 10:18:33 am
Scudder,

              Is your screen name taken from the Character in the Movie "Maurice"?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 10:48:32 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 10:18:33 am
Scudder,

              Is your screen name taken from the Character in the Movie "Maurice"?

You hit the nail on the head, David.  When I was coming to grips with my sexuality, someone recommended the movie, and I read the book.  For some reason, I really like Alec Scudder and I have decided to use his name.

How is the gallery of pictures coming along?  Your pictures and Lucise's have sure been a great help to me.  Ennis and Jack are easily visualized from the movie. The gallery you are developing really helps.  The picture of Gene Autry is right on!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 10:53:26 am
How can I print the grabble that Louise just posted?  It seems that I print out something else and I don't want to print all the replies.  Help!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 10:58:10 am
Quote from: scudder on June 27, 2006, 10:53:26 am
How can I print the grabble that Louise just posted?  It seems that I print out something else and I don't want to print all the replies.  Help!

Probably the easiest thing is to highlight it with your mouse, do Ctrl-C to copy, then go to word and in a blank document, do Ctrl-V to paste.

Print from Word.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 11:17:00 am
Thanks Leslie.  It worked just as you said.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 12:14:18 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 27, 2006, 10:48:32 am
You hit the nail on the head, David.  When I was coming to grips with my sexuality, someone recommended the movie, and I read the book.  For some reason, I really like Alec Scudder and I have decided to use his name.


I like Scudder too ... when he says .."I know sir ... I know sir.. Lie down", I feel like I am dying.. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 12:28:14 pm
Our Picture Gallery thus far:


The lads who started it all:

(http://static.flickr.com/19/91405334_06b00ce2b0.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/enn2-1.jpg)


The Chief Deputy Sheriff, Ellery Cantrell:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_KC.jpg)


Wayne:

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)


Gene:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/gene.jpg)


Dupree:   (I didnt get to him yet ...)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/dpre.jpg)


Ellery's car:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elCam.jpg)


Ellery's possible house:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elHs.jpg)



We need a good pic of Wes and his wife ...
Who else ...?
 :)




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 12:49:48 pm
we need a pic of "fuckin Bill."

Wes and Edna, certainly.

And perhaps even Joe "Round's a shape" Tooey.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 12:55:16 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 27, 2006, 12:14:18 pm
I like Scudder too ... when he says .."I know sir ... I know sir.. Lie down", I feel like I am dying.. :)

That's it, Lucise.  That's exactly when I thought Alec Scudder was my man.

The picture gallery you have posted is great.  Thanks
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 12:56:51 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 12:49:48 pm
we need a pic of "fuckin Bill."

Wes and Edna, certainly.

And perhaps even Joe "Round's a shape" Tooey.

Yes Capt'n! 
Let's see what we can find ... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 12:59:17 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 27, 2006, 12:55:16 pm
The picture gallery you have posted is great.  Thanks

Yer welcome, we gotta keep building The Gallery ...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:04:50 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 27, 2006, 12:59:17 pm
Yer welcome, we gotta keep building The Gallery ...

I want to see Amos Marigold, too! I sent David off to search through hundreds of porn photos to find one of Lang the biker guy. Maybe he'll find Gabe Blackwell in there, too.

And Lucise, to your gallery below, add Ellery's car, willya? It's near the beginning of the thread.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:05:42 pm
Louise, this is what I want to know...when Ellery got out of the shower to talk to Wayne, did he wear that skimpy little robe or did he throw something else on?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:06:14 pm
In the midst of the Gallery and drabble postings etc, did you folks happen to notice I posted a new chapter today?

just in case it got missed:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/61012.html  "Chapter 41: Lies, and More Lies"

I am home and writing again so I will be updating again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:07:27 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:05:42 pm
Louise, this is what I want to know...when Ellery got out of the shower to talk to Wayne, did he wear that skimpy little robe or did he throw something else on?

L

Leave it to you to ask.  If Ellery's thighs walked into that room uncovered, Wayne would have commented and Ennis would have leapt out of his chair.  Let me put it that way.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:08:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:07:27 pm
Leave it to you to ask.  If Ellery's thighs walked into that room uncovered, Wayne would have commented and Ennis would have leapt out of his chair.  Let me put it that way.

I had a feeling but I just wanted to clear that up...as I run the movie in my mind  ;)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:26:35 pm
We have so few women in this story, I think we need to cast Carol, the admin in Ellery's office. I vote for Lily Tomlin who began her career as Ernestine the telephone operator (Carol seems to take a lot of phone messages). I saw Lily in Prairie Home Companion this weekend and she was probably the only reason I didn't go sound asleep! LOL

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/lilytomlin-2005.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 01:29:58 pm
Leslie - 
I updated the Galleria with bigger pics of Ellery's car and house.  :)

I also have a Carol, but she is much more tame than yours!  ;D  Yet has that flirty look about her ...

Carol

(http://www.rhydin.org/uniform/police/amcop3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 01:33:18 pm
Some more suggestions ... ;)


Wes & Edna

Because this couple seem to be the right age, seem happily-married ...

(http://www.texashealth.org/ContentStore/MiddleAgedCoupleSm.jpg)


Joe "Round's a Shape" Tooey ..   :)

(http://www.vmi.edu/resources/images/Auxilliary%20Services/Police/PP_Edward_Matheny.jpg)


Bill
(Although this dude is wayyyy too cute ...right?  :P )

(http://www.geocities.com/concreteangels2003/images/tony.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:36:49 pm
I picture Edna looking more grandmotherly...she is always putting chicken and biscuits in baskets, after all! (That couple looks familiar...aren't they in a Viagra ad???)

I like that Bill...just on personal grounds, I mean. And remember, there had to be some sort of physical attraction to keep Ellery involved for four years, more or less...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 01:39:10 pm
This should be JIM!    The new hire that keeps distracting Ennis!   LOL

(http://www.geocities.com/concreteangels2003/images/tony.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:40:08 pm
Let's not forget the props!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_shishkebob.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/shishkebob.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_tank.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/red_tank.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_10476.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/10476.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_doohbonat.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/doohbonat.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_2841.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/2841.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_L_TKnot.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/L_TKnot.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_delmontelogos.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/delmontelogos.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_tejublueblutop.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tejublueblutop.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_vaseline.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/vaseline.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:40:41 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 01:39:10 pm
This should be JIM!    The new hire that keeps distracting Ennis!   LOL

(http://www.geocities.com/concreteangels2003/images/tony.jpg)

ABSOLUTELY!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:41:01 pm
I go and write a chapter and look what happens!!!

That Bill works for me.  He's big and he's built.  I think Joe is a little TOO Round!  hehehe.  The Wes and Edna... hm.  Interesting take.  I am trying to recall if I gave any physical description of Wes.  Yeah... at the hospital in "Taking Chances" I think.  He is big, tall, rawboned, with a ruddy complexion, and I think I specified his hair and eyecolor but don't remember it at the moment.  *blush*  Let me pull up the Wes description.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 01:42:09 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:36:49 pm
I picture Edna looking more grandmotherly...she is always putting chicken and biscuits in baskets, after all! (That couple looks familiar...aren't they in a Viagra ad???)

I like that Bill...just on personal grounds, I mean. And remember, there had to be some sort of physical attraction to keep Ellery involved for four years, more or less...

LOL...I don't know if they are in a Viagra ad!  ;D  But they seemed warm and welcoming ...

And I chose that dude for Bill because like you said, he looks good, and doesn't Ellery dig masculine types?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:45:05 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/61372.html  "Chapter 42:  An Internal Affair"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:46:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:41:01 pm
I go and write a chapter and look what happens!!!

That Bill works for me.  He's big and he's built.  I think Joe is a little TOO Round!  hehehe.  The Wes and Edna... hm.  Interesting take.  I am trying to recall if I gave any physical description of Wes.  Yeah... at the hospital in "Taking Chances" I think.  He is big, tall, rawboned, with a ruddy complexion, and I think I specified his hair and eyecolor but don't remember it at the moment.  *blush*  Let me pull up the Wes description.

We had that picture yesterday of the REAL sheriff of Laramie WY...Danny Glick? Except for the pornstache, I was thinking he could be Wes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:47:08 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 27, 2006, 01:42:09 pm
LOL...I don't know if they are in a Viagra ad!  ;D  But they seemed warm and welcoming ...

And I chose that dude for Bill because like you said, he looks good, and doesn't Ellery dig masculine types?  ;)

Yes he does.  He works for me for Bill - who Ennis saw in the opening chapter as having large hands, an imposing size and looked like "a cowhand".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 01:49:00 pm
Sheriff Wes ?

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyGb5bqFE9IEAgTujzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=129mju1pq/EXP=1151516793/**http%3a//www.sheriff.dentoncounty.com/images/Weldon.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 01:50:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:47:08 pm
Yes he does.  He works for me for Bill - who Ennis saw in the opening chapter as having large hands, an imposing size and looked like "a cowhand".
One down ... ;D

Another Wes to choose from ...

(http://www.mvr.bg/NR/rdonlyres/AF572367-B95B-4667-94FE-BCA9D6B1AD5C/0/4.jpg)


Actually, I like David's WES better!  :)

Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 01:49:00 pm
Sheriff Wes ?

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyGb5bqFE9IEAgTujzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=129mju1pq/EXP=1151516793/**http%3a//www.sheriff.dentoncounty.com/images/Weldon.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:51:29 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:46:16 pm
We had that picture yesterday of the REAL sheriff of Laramie WY...Danny Glick? Except for the pornstache, I was thinking he could be Wes.

Dear Danny,

Your photo has been nominated to serve as the physical manifestation of a fictional Sheriff of your city in a Brokeback Mountain fan fiction porn tribute.  We really really hope you don't mind, because we think our story does credit to your entire department for being open minded, above reproach, affirmative toward homosexuality and promoting positive employee working relationships.  Feel free to peruse the Internet online files which detail the saga in 220 action packed, steamy chapters.  Warning:  NOT work safe!

Sincerely,

The Ennis and Ellery Fan club at Bettermost BBM Forum
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 01:54:44 pm
I think Sheriff Danny will respond very positively to that lovely invitation. Maybe I should email him the Word file of "Taking Chances" so he can get started on his reading.

[email protected]
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:55:04 pm
ok here is our description of Wes Brown.  Considering Ennis is 6'1", Ellery is 6'3", Wes is HUGE.

“Shit yeah. I hate hospitals,” Ennis replied, letting Ellery’s comment pass.  He was too annoyed by Pete to react immediately.  This time, Ennis led the way to the car, and had already unlocked it when he noticed that Ellery had stopped to talk to a beefy man with slicked back medium brown hair, an ill fitting brown suit over his bulging shoulders, and a neat black bolo tie.  He waited by the car door, until he saw Ellery look up and beckon him.

“Ennis this here’s Wesley Brown, Sheriff a Laramie County an my pain in the ass boss.”  The beefy man, with puffy, apple red cheeks and an easy smile, overtopped both Ennis and Ellery by several inches, and reached out a red-palmed hand to clasp Ennis’s.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 01:58:36 pm
A sneek peek into the "Stallion" on a Saturday Night! 

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4BXcaFEBf4AFlajzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12a7gom78/EXP=1151517399/**http%3a//www.carpentersquare.com/images/whorehouse06.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 01:59:45 pm

How old is Edna?  :)  She doesn't seem "grandmama-ish" to me ...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:00:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:55:04 pm
ok here is our description of Wes Brown.  Considering Ennis is 6'1", Ellery is 6'3", Wes is HUGE.


Boy, they are growing them big out there. And what's Amos Marigold? 5'5"?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:01:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 27, 2006, 01:59:45 pm
How old is Edna?  :)  She doesn't seem "grandmama-ish" to me ...

I'd put her at 60, myself. Old enough to be a grandma.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 02:04:09 pm
The guy on the RIGHT is what I think "Bill" looks like.    I picture Bill  (Ellerys ex) to be about 10 yrs older than Ellery. 

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4SYcqFErR4ApFWjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=11mq023lo/EXP=1151517720/**http%3a//www.txchia.org/conf9916.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 02:05:00 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 01:55:04 pm

“Ennis this here’s Wesley Brown, Sheriff a Laramie County an my pain in the ass boss.”  The beefy man, with puffy, apple red cheeks and an easy smile, overtopped both Ennis and Ellery by several inches, and reached out a red-palmed hand to clasp Ennis’s.


Another suggestion for WES:   :)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shff.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 02:06:00 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 02:04:09 pm
The guy on the RIGHT is what I think "Bill" looks like.    I picture Bill  (Ellerys ex) to be about 10 yrs older than Ellery. 

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4SYcqFErR4ApFWjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=11mq023lo/EXP=1151517720/**http%3a//www.txchia.org/conf9916.jpg)

I don't see Ellery dating that dude!  ;D Hehe....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 02:07:03 pm
actually mr. Apple Red cheeks is a front runner for the physical description of Wes I gave.  Though in second draft I think I might have to make Wes barely taller than Ellery, since they are growin em too big there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 02:09:41 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 27, 2006, 02:06:00 pm
I don't see Ellery dating that dude!  ;D Hehe....

LOL,  Well they dated years before!    Bill might have been 40 or so and Ellery 30?

This guy has a "Businessman/Bar owner  look" that I expected when he first met Ennis.
So I had that vision in my head before I knew he dated Ellery.   But I know a lot of guy who date or dated guys ten years there senior.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 02:11:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 02:07:03 pm
actually mr. Apple Red cheeks is a front runner for the physical description of Wes I gave.  Though in second draft I think I might have to make Wes barely taller than Ellery, since they are growin em too big there.

Maybe I can photoshop off his mustache?  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:12:00 pm
The prop mistress checking in. Does the production team approve of a potential robe for Ellery? I left the u-trou on due to Bettermost posting rules on ahem, you-know-what. Actually, looking at this again, that guy ain't bad. Maybe he could be Bill and he left the robe behind?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/mk1000bk.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 02:13:00 pm
Ooooo!   I think this could be our "Carol" !!!

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6IMdaFEw84AIQyjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13jo10kp5/EXP=1151518348/**http%3a//www.yolocountysheriff.com/myweb5/Sheriff%2520Final/images/command%2520staff/penny-sm.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:15:03 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 02:13:00 pm
Ooooo!   I think this could be our "Carol" !!!



That's exactly what I pictured her looking like, actually, but do admins wear uniforms?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 02:16:29 pm
 :laugh: We are going nuts with the pix ..It must seem like we've lost all our marbles..LOL


Ok..She works as Edna for me ...warm, genuine, caring, seems to be the right age ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/edn.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 02:17:31 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:15:03 pm
That's exactly what I pictured her looking like, actually, but do admins wear uniforms?

Admins?   Sure.  A Dispatcher or front desk reception person would most definately be a uniformed officer.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:18:43 pm
The prop mistress again. I need to point out that that robe is 37" long and there are 75" of Ellery, so it will probably be a little higher on the thigh than in the guy in the picture. Just wanted to clarify that.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:19:21 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 02:17:31 pm
Admins?   Sure.  A Dispatcher or front desk reception person would most definately be a uniformed officer.

Okay, just checking. I don't no nothin' 'bout runnin' a po-lice department!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 02:19:36 pm
Leslie,  that black robe is perfect for Ellery.  But the guy is too good looking to be "Bill" and too hairy and tanned to be Ellerys body if we put his face on it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 02:20:41 pm
So who are the new additions to the Galleria?
Who have we agreed on so far?
I agree on Carol too!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:29:31 pm
Amos Marigold at work, perhaps?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/attorney.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on June 27, 2006, 02:33:28 pm
Oh my!  ::)  :laugh:    You guys are officially “nuts”.

I agree with Carol’s pick.  For Wes, I like the one David found.  And the nice looking guy looks more like Jim to me (I am with David again on this one).

Should we limit the time that Louise is allowed on BetterMost, maybe after 3 to 4 chapters are up everyday? :P Just kidding.  But I am anxiously waiting for the next few chapters.  Can’t be very productive today if Louise just leaves me hanging here.

Just saw Amos.  The guy is a little bit too good looking to be Amos.  I hate Amos after chapter 42.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:37:23 pm
Quote from: JennyC on June 27, 2006, 02:33:28 pm


Just saw Amos.  The guy is a little bit too good looking to be Amos.  I hate Amos after chapter 42.


We *all* hate Amos. The guy in the photo might be good looking but he has that "What do you call a lawyer at the bottom of the ocean? A good start" look about him, I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lynne on June 27, 2006, 02:38:26 pm
Quote from: JennyC on June 27, 2006, 02:33:28 pm
Should we limit the time that Louise is allowed on BetterMost, maybe after 3 to 4 chapters are up everyday? :P Just kidding.

Great minds think alike ;)  However, I'm sure we're just up on one screen while she writes diligently in another window ;).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 02:50:06 pm
OK,  here is a revised pic of Sheriff Wes without the mustache.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 02:52:53 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 02:50:06 pm
OK,  here is a revised pic of Sheriff Wes without the mustache.



WooHoo!!  CHeers David!!  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shff-1.jpg)

Carol:
(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6IMdaFEw84AIQyjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13jo10kp5/EXP=1151518348/**http%3a//www.yolocountysheriff.com/myweb5/Sheriff%2520Final/images/command%2520staff/penny-sm.jpg)

We are making progress ...lol ...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 02:54:19 pm
Couldn't resist this one.   The caption read : "Sept 1983"

This must be Officer Reynolds on Patrol in downtown Laramie, not far from the Stallion.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 02:55:38 pm

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/61670.html  "Chapter 43:  Eagleton for the Defense"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on June 27, 2006, 02:56:31 pm
Just a quick post to say a BIG thank you to Mainewriter for starting this thread, to Louise for creating this wonderful story and to you guys for making me LOL with all this 'madness'  :-*

Now, quickly, back to LiveJournal. I'm still reading Looking for Answers, chapter 32 when Ennis is collecting Jack's ashes
might not get much sleep tonight, when I get to reading and drinking :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 03:00:13 pm
Tisk tisk,  now Milli,  you didn't tell me that you had a picture of Dupree lounging around off duty!

(http://www.lonestarsteve.com/photos/lying_on_sofa.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 03:00:30 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on June 27, 2006, 02:56:31 pm
Just a quick post to say a BIG thank you to Mainewriter for starting this thread, to Louise for creating this wonderful story and to you guys for making me LOL with all this 'madness'  :-*

Yer welcome!  :D  The madness is contagious, so stick around alil longer and you'll be raving like the rest of us!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 03:02:24 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 03:00:13 pm
Tisk tisk,  now Milli,  you didn't tell me that you had a picture of Dupree lounging around off duty!

(http://www.lonestarsteve.com/photos/lying_on_sofa.jpg)

Hehe..technically, that is the sheep trainer, Mr Indapaddock  from the  BAM Production (lounging on the Director's couch) ...  :laugh:  But I am sure he can double as Dupree!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 03:05:05 pm
I love the pic of "Carol" because I am sure I wrote her up as blonde and she definitely has that big wide welcoming smile that is just a little too cheerful.

Like how the moustache-free Wes got morphed,
And yes that WOULD be about how Ellery looks in his little short short robe!  (without silk pants of course)

And I am just falling all over myself that you guys are not only keeping up with the plot in the story but ILLUSTRATING IT!

er: 

EDIT:

Ellery led the way in to the nondescript low brick building, and stopped before a fishbowl where a middle aged woman with tobacco-stained teeth and a rather large bouffant hairdo broke her sullen expression with a wide smile when she saw the lean deputy stride in the door.  Here we go again, Ennis thought, as the  woman seemed to melt like chocolate in hot sunlight when Ellery greeted her.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 03:22:50 pm
You know who we're missing? Rudy, Gabe, Lauren and Lang the biker (David, you still searching through that porn for Lang?)

Except for Ellery's house, we're missing lots of locations: Wes & Edna's house with stable; the "fishbowl"; Ivinson Hospital; and an exterior shot of The Red Stallion.

Animal actors: Pal, Socks, and Nellie, of course, who had a starring role already and has a big scene coming up on Sunday!

Props: a box of cigarillos, a grill (it has a cover, a Weber?), a can of creamed corn, pearl handled pistols, Ellery's gun, bullets, ashtray and shoulder holster (anything having to do with Ellery we want MORE of), speaking of...Ellery's flip flops. Oh...we should have Jack's diary, too, doncha think?

Get to work, team! I have a chapter to edit on Urinary Dysfunction (don't ask...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 03:28:37 pm
oh and... Leon.  Who might possibly be a thorn in Ennis's side further down the road.

Ivinson Hospital is real... no making up hospitals for me, but I didn't find a pic of it originally, I conceived of it as a one floor hospital like some of the suburban hospitals I have known in my lifetime.  Laramie is population 25,000, so it is not a large city.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 03:31:06 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on June 27, 2006, 02:56:31 pm
Just a quick post to say a BIG thank you to Mainewriter for starting this thread, to Louise for creating this wonderful story and to you guys for making me LOL with all this 'madness'  :-*

Now, quickly, back to LiveJournal. I'm still reading Looking for Answers, chapter 32 when Ennis is collecting Jack's ashes
might not get much sleep tonight, when I get to reading and drinking :D

Well THANK YOU for that thank you! This has turned into a fabulous fun thread. I love having Louise here and getting our own Bettermost updates to the story (before I had to hang out at davecullen to get them). And not that anyone is paying attention or anything, but we got the update for chapter 43 twelve minutes before the davecullen folks. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on June 27, 2006, 03:35:30 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 03:31:06 pm
And not that anyone is paying attention or anything, but we got the update for chapter 43 twelve minutes before the davecullen folks. LOL

Leslie, you are the ring leader of this Ennis & Ellery "nut house".  And we thank you very much for that. :)

I appreciate the 12 minutes advantage; it made a great difference to cure our obsession. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 03:37:04 pm
(pic borrowed from Victorias collection)

Gene Autry spotted waiting tables at his next Job.

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/vkm91941/Cowboys/83bartender3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 27, 2006, 03:38:43 pm
(pic borrowed from Victorias collection)

Ellery cooking breakfast for Mr.Coyote!

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/vkm91941/Cowboys/b2nakedchef24g.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 03:39:03 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 03:37:04 pm
(pic borrowed from Victorias collection)

Gene Autry spotted waiting tables at his next Job.


Leslie: "Um, Gene, Gene...bring me another Mai-tai, willya? It's HOT here on this beach..."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 03:45:26 pm
oh good lord.  Naked men serving Mai Tais and stirring porridge...

12 minute advantage!  hahaha.  I was. uh... I was responding to a pm... that's what I was doing!!!!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 03:46:43 pm
Lucise --- I like all your picks! your Carol is exactly who I would expect.
             I like Wes and Edna who look like a caring and fun couple.
             I particularly like Joe Tooey and your pick for Bill is just Ellery's type.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 03:55:32 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 27, 2006, 03:46:43 pm
Lucise --- I like all your picks! your Carol is exactly who I would expect.
             I like Wes and Edna who look like a caring and fun couple.
             I particularly like Joe Tooey and your pick for Bill is just Ellery's type.

Great minds think alike, eh Scudder?  :P  ;)
It is a madhouse here, but we are rapidly building our gallery ...
Now, when I read about a character, I know exactly what they look like ...

Last night, as I was reading about Ennis getting all riled up and throwing orders at the Chief Deputy Darlin like that..the images in my head were just NUTS!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 27, 2006, 04:24:17 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 02:18:43 pm
The prop mistress again. I need to point out that that robe is 37" long and there are 75" of Ellery, so it will probably be a little higher on the thigh than in the guy in the picture. Just wanted to clarify that.

L

LOL!  That's our Leslie - making sure we've got our details straight!

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 27, 2006, 04:29:33 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 27, 2006, 03:46:43 pm
Lucise --- I like all your picks! your Carol is exactly who I would expect.
             I like Wes and Edna who look like a caring and fun couple.
             I particularly like Joe Tooey and your pick for Bill is just Ellery's type.




Here here - Me too likes all the wonderful piccies that has been put forth for casting these characters!  What a great way to take a break this drab and dull afternoon.   ;D

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 04:57:11 pm
David:

That's agreat picture of Officer Reynold's patrol car.
Your picture of Wes fits Louise's description as does the picture of Carol who is a blond.

Lucise:

Your later picture of Edna fits what we have heard and seen of her...warm, generous, caring and loving.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 04:59:53 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 03:37:04 pm
(pic borrowed from Victorias collection)

Gene Autry spotted waiting tables at his next Job.

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/vkm91941/Cowboys/83bartender3.jpg)

David, where is this place?  I want to go there.  Please tell me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 27, 2006, 05:02:14 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 27, 2006, 03:38:43 pm
(pic borrowed from Victorias collection)

Ellery cooking breakfast for Mr.Coyote!

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/vkm91941/Cowboys/b2nakedchef24g.jpg)

It's nice to see Ellery relaxing in a domestic mode. I miss Jack but Ellery sure does take some of the sting away.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 27, 2006, 05:07:32 pm
Hey guys -- The horses haven't been described in a whole lot of detail in the stories, but Nellie and Socks are pretty clear in my mind:  What do you think?

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Nellie.jpg)
Nellie

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Socks.jpg)
Socks 
(woops -- we might want to edit out that hint of a package that this here gelding has...)


But Pal.. now that name evokes all kinds of possiblities.  Any of these match?
(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Pal.jpg) (http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Pal2.jpg) (http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Pal3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 05:10:23 pm
I say the one with the saddle on for Pal.  I always saw Pal as a light brown... what the heck IS that color?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 27, 2006, 05:11:41 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 05:10:23 pm
I say the one with the saddle on for Pal.  I always saw Pal as a light brown... what the heck IS that color?

The color above is a buckskin -- a yellowish brown.  I can search for a dun or a light bay...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 05:15:50 pm
Quote from: scudder on June 27, 2006, 04:59:53 pm
David, where is this place?  I want to go there.  Please tell me.

I don't know for sure, but hazarding a guess, it might the the Grand Lido Braco resort in Jamaica...nice beach there...
David, get rid of the babe and photoshop in Ellery, will ya? I know you can do it...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/glbraco-015.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 27, 2006, 05:16:58 pm
Pal4?  This is a Dun.

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Pal4.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 05:24:10 pm
hehe...Our Galleria is growing ...  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 27, 2006, 05:24:38 pm
Pal 5? This is a Sorrel.

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Pal5.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 05:41:32 pm
Update to "A Second Chance" 

http://louisev.livejournal.com/61795.html  "Home on the Range"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on June 27, 2006, 06:10:44 pm
OK, I'm new here but I'm going to jump in anyway and express my never-to-be-humble opinion.  ;)

I don't much care what you think Ellery looks like (well, that's a lie...) but Ennis needs a good looking horse and that would be the buckskin or the dun. The one underneath the buckskin is a boodmare, her foal is behind her. I think the last one is just plain ragged looking. His horses have always been important to Ennis, so give him the best you've got. Nellie looks really good, but I've never cared for horses with stockings so I'll not even comment on Socks.(Sorry to be so pushy. I followed MaineWriter's link to Louise over here from Dave Cullen - as if that's a reason.)

For what it's worth.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 06:14:19 pm
oooh some strong horse opinions!  Yeah I like the "Nellie" one a lot.  Socks of course, had to have ... socks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 06:17:46 pm
Quote from: tamarack on June 27, 2006, 06:10:44 pm
OK, I'm new here but I'm going to jump in anyway and express my never-to-be-humble opinion.  ;)

I don't much care what you think Ellery looks like (well, that's a lie...) but Ennis needs a good looking horse and that would be the buckskin or the dun. The one underneath the buckskin is a boodmare, her foal is behind her. I think the last one is just plain ragged looking. His horses have always been important to Ennis, so give him the best you've got. Nellie looks really good, but I've never cared for horses with stockings so I'll not even comment on Socks.(Sorry to be so pushy. I followed MaineWriter's link to Louise over here from Dave Cullen - as if that's a reason.)

For what it's worth.

Tamarack, welcome, glad to have here!

Push away, if you peruse this thread you can see we are busy discussing anything and everything down to the last excruiating detail. (I am still waiting for someone to comment on the jar of Vaseline with the slightly ragged label and the screw on cap, which would have been appropriate circa 1984. This is the prop mistress speaking!).

I agree completely...horses are important to Ennis. Give him the best!

L

PS. Did I have a link to this board on davecullen? I thought it was in Louise's LJ.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 06:30:19 pm
As far as I am concerned, invite anyone who wants to talk about the fic, as long as what they want to talk hasn't got references to "dancing on Jack's grave" etc etc.  Still steamed about that.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on June 27, 2006, 06:36:28 pm
Wow - I've been trying to get back to this point since I posted that one comment. Nothing would load for me. Has anyone else experienced this? It is very, very slow, and I have DSL, not dial-up.

Anyway, you know, it probably wasn't from Dave. Must have been Louise's journal. Hope I didn't freak you out with that comment!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 06:36:40 pm
Did y'all read the News Bulletin on our BetterMost homepage ...
There is a link to this thread: "Ennis and Ellery's story" ...  :D
Hehe..I just saw it!

Leslie, did you have something to do with that?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 06:38:30 pm
holy moly!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 06:54:28 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 27, 2006, 06:36:40 pm
Did y'all read the News Bulletin on our BetterMost homepage ...
There is a link to this thread: "Ennis and Ellery's story" ...  :D
Hehe..I just saw it!

Leslie, did you have something to do with that?  ;)

No...going to read it right now. I wrote Phillip a PM yesterday telling him what was going on, but I haven't heard back from him.

Edit: Oh, there I see it, up at the top. That's very exciting!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 06:58:42 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 06:54:28 pm
No...going to read it right now. I wrote Phillip a PM yesterday telling him what was going on, but I haven't heard back from him.


Yap, check it out!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 07:02:42 pm
where am I supposed to look? I went to the Bettermost site home page, I dont see any news bulletin!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 07:05:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 07:02:42 pm
where am I supposed to look? I went to the Bettermost site home page, I dont see any news bulletin!

The upper left hand side, where it says, BetterMost - Brokeback Mountain Forums

Click that (main forum page) and at the top of the page is a news banner that sort of fades in and out. It's there as one of the news items.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 07:08:42 pm
Ooooohhhh. cooollll!  I am off to bed, got a date with the immigration officials once more to see if I get to stay in Germany a few more months.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Meira on June 27, 2006, 07:09:48 pm
Hey Louise, not trying to be pushy or anything, but can I hope for chapter 45 to be posted tonight or should I closeup shoa nd wiat fo rthe morning (here in the USA northeast)...

 :-*

Meira
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 07:10:43 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 07:08:42 pm
Ooooohhhh. cooollll!  I am off to bed, got a date with the immigration officials once more to see if I get to stay in Germany a few more months.

Sleep tight, sweetie, and let that creative brain dream up new adventures for our guys...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Meira on June 27, 2006, 07:11:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 07:08:42 pm
Ooooohhhh. cooollll!  I am off to bed, got a date with the immigration officials once more to see if I get to stay in Germany a few more months.

oops.   my last post crossed in cyberspace with yours..  sorry.

goodnight,

Meira
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 27, 2006, 07:12:52 pm
Quote from: Meira on June 27, 2006, 07:09:48 pm
Hey Louise, not trying to be pushy or anything, but can I hope for chapter 45 to be posted tonight or should I closeup shoa nd wiat fo rthe morning (here in the USA northeast)...

 :-*

Meira

gah, I wrote four chapters today... it was all I had in me with all that ANGST.

I have to rest my brain till tomorrow.  Yes, tomorrow morning at some time.  I have a meeting in the (my) afternoon but I will see what I can do.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on June 27, 2006, 08:32:27 pm
Just read the last six (!) pages with a big grin on my face. My cheeks hurt. This thread is a hoot! What a great counterpoint to all that angst going on in Ellery's life right now. Keep those pics coming!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 08:53:46 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on June 27, 2006, 08:32:27 pm
Just read the last six (!) pages with a big grin on my face. My cheeks hurt. This thread is a hoot! What a great counterpoint to all that angst going on in Ellery's life right now. Keep those pics coming!

Hey neatfreak...you can join in the fun. Somebody has to find Ellery's flip flops and in the latest chapter, he wears a black tee shirt....

Have at it and great to have you here!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 27, 2006, 09:02:49 pm
Quote from: tamarack on June 27, 2006, 06:10:44 pm
OK, I'm new here but I'm going to jump in anyway and express my never-to-be-humble opinion.  ;)

I don't much care what you think Ellery looks like (well, that's a lie...) but Ennis needs a good looking horse and that would be the buckskin or the dun. The one underneath the buckskin is a boodmare, her foal is behind her. I think the last one is just plain ragged looking. His horses have always been important to Ennis, so give him the best you've got. Nellie looks really good, but I've never cared for horses with stockings so I'll not even comment on Socks.(Sorry to be so pushy. I followed MaineWriter's link to Louise over here from Dave Cullen - as if that's a reason.)

For what it's worth.

Hi Tamarak -- How amusing you and I seem to share our priorities in the human vs equine character casting!

You have great observations!  My reponses regarding the pictures I posted are:
1) Nellie is a part of the high end breeding that Wes has established, and thus would  necessarily be a lot flashier than Ennis' horses.
2) Socks and Pal are both mares, I figure at some point either may have been bred.
3) That said, the sorrel does sort of look a little unkempt, but when I look closely I don't see a neglected horse at all - rather a typical working horse.  Working horses don't usually get groomed for looks, just for function.  Never the less, that photo undeniably was posted in haste as I was trying to find a light sorrel example to post.

I too am partial to buckskins, but my favorite is the Strawberry Roan -- (with the baby)

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on June 27, 2006, 09:03:34 pm
Thanks for the invite, Leslie, but I am clue-free on how to post pics. I am content for now to enjoy all the wonderful stuff others bring to the table. I'll chime in to vote -- if I am here in time. You guys post too fast to keep up! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 09:10:05 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on June 27, 2006, 09:03:34 pm
Thanks for the invite, Leslie, but I am clue-free on how to post pics. I am content for now to enjoy all the wonderful stuff others bring to the table. I'll chime in to vote -- if I am here in time. You guys post too fast to keep up! ;D

Yes, there was a time that I too, was clue-free...then my adolescent daughter introduced me to photobucket (www.photobucket.com) and life changed as surely as it did after seeing Brokeback Mountain. Suddenly....we can post anything we want....like this....

Give me some good looking Ennis...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/166461846_f756b1dc2d.jpg)

Or even Heath in a cowboy hat....sigh....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/heathledger.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Phillip Dampier on June 27, 2006, 09:20:59 pm
I am very pleased to do it.  It's an excellent work and well worth promoting.  I am going to try and bring attention to more remarkable threads and topics in the days ahead.  I am a big believer in supporting all-things Brokeback regardless of where they are hosted.

Regarding slow loading pages, I am guessing this is a temporary Internet problem with the ISP involved because I am not encountering any issues right now.  Hopefully it will resolve itself in short order.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on June 27, 2006, 09:33:01 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 09:10:05 pm
Yes, there was a time that I too, was clue-free...then my adolescent daughter introduced me to photobucket (www.photobucket.com) and life changed as surely as it did after seeing Brokeback Mountain. Suddenly....we can post anything we want....like this....

Give me some good looking Ennis...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/166461846_f756b1dc2d.jpg)

Or even Heath in a cowboy hat....sigh....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/heathledger.jpg)





Sorry, Les, but I'm stealing this to use as my avatar while I am Ennis :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 09:36:19 pm
Quote from: DeeDee on June 27, 2006, 09:33:01 pm

Sorry, Les, but I'm stealing this to use as my avatar while I am Ennis :-*

And what a fine Ennis you are Dee!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Meira on June 27, 2006, 09:41:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 27, 2006, 07:12:52 pm
gah, I wrote four chapters today... it was all I had in me with all that ANGST.

I have to rest my brain till tomorrow.  Yes, tomorrow morning at some time.  I have a meeting in the (my) afternoon but I will see what I can do.

OMG!  Really?  I guess I read them so fast and altogether that I didn't realize there were actually 4 in one day.  Didn't mean to be so selfish.  I guess I can ruminate on the last few and reread some favorites while I'm waiting.  After tomorrow I'll only be able to check in periodically for a few weeks, so I guess I'm getting antsy.  Sorry about that.  Get some well deserved rest!

Meira
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 27, 2006, 09:49:16 pm
The Taking Chances/Looking for Answers/A Second Chance Cast GALLERY thus far:


The lads who started it all:

(http://static.flickr.com/19/91405334_06b00ce2b0.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/enn2-1.jpg)


The Chief Deputy Sheriff, Ellery Cantrell: (On and OFF duty) :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_KC.jpg) (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elBRob2.jpg)


Wayne:

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)


Gene:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/gene.jpg)


Carol

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6IMdaFEw84AIQyjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13jo10kp5/EXP=1151518348/**http%3a//www.yolocountysheriff.com/myweb5/Sheriff%2520Final/images/command%2520staff/penny-sm.jpg) OR  (http://www.rhydin.org/uniform/police/amcop3.jpg)



Joe "Round's a Shape" Tooey ..   :)

(http://www.vmi.edu/resources/images/Auxilliary%20Services/Police/PP_Edward_Matheny.jpg)


Bill

(http://www.geocities.com/concreteangels2003/images/tony.jpg)


Wes & Edna

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shff-1.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/edn.jpg)


Dupree:   (On and Off Duty)  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/dpre.jpg)

(http://www.lonestarsteve.com/photos/lying_on_sofa.jpg)



Amos Marigold perhaps?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/attorney.jpg)


Jim   ??

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shtls.jpg)

----------------

Ellery's car:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elCam.jpg)


Ellery's potential home:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elHs.jpg)


------------

And we didn't even add the Horses yet!
Not to mention the props!
 ;D


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: lowcountrygirl on June 27, 2006, 11:46:17 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 27, 2006, 05:15:50 pm
I don't know for sure, but hazarding a guess, it might the the Grand Lido Braco resort in Jamaica...nice beach there...
David, get rid of the babe and photoshop in Ellery, will ya? I know you can do it...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/glbraco-015.jpg)


I kinda like the babe!  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 03:30:49 am
hehehehe you guys are too much!  2 pages of updates since I went to bed!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 04:18:12 am
Okay, I found a description for Amos Marigold:

Amos Marigold was a young, nervous type, his brown suit ill-fitting him, and he plucked at his cuffs again and again as he leaned over his tape recorder, stabbed the buttons, rewound it, and tested the sound before he fixed his eyes on Ennis and bored into him, and began that same litany, “Would you state your name and address for the record?” he started, easily enough, and Ennis took a breath, glanced up at Stew, and the deposition began.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 05:03:15 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/62007.html  "Chapter 45:  Loco"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 05:09:55 am
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 05:03:15 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/62007.html  "Chapter 45:  Loco"

I knew there was a reason I got up really, really early! Yipee!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 05:49:47 am
I am realizing with mild dismay just how sparse my physical descriptions of my characters are.

I did find where Wes introduces Edna to Ennis:  "An my wife a forty years."  Edna has to be at least sixty.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 05:52:16 am
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 05:49:47 am
I am realizing with mild dismay just how sparse my physical descriptions of my characters are.

I did find where Wes introduces Edna to Ennis:  "An my wife a forty years."  Edna has to be at least sixty.

And I said I pictured her as 60-ish, grandmotherly.
Do Wes and Edna have any children, grandchildren?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 05:54:14 am
Quote from: DeeDee on June 27, 2006, 09:33:01 pm



Sorry, Les, but I'm stealing this to use as my avatar while I am Ennis :-*

Steal away, darlin, I don't own these boys...  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 06:38:34 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 05:52:16 am
And I said I pictured her as 60-ish, grandmotherly.
Do Wes and Edna have any children, grandchildren?

no, they don't.  They "adopted" Ellery in place of the family they did not have.  An undeveloped plot element...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 06:40:22 am
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 06:38:34 am
no, they don't.  They "adopted" Ellery in place of the family they did not have.  An undeveloped plot element...!

Thought that might be the case...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 06:42:22 am
Prop mistress checking in...we need some of Ellery's cigarillos but since I am part of the anti-smoking contingent, I have been loathe to post a picture of the damn things. And then, a compromise! The Cigarillos, a Danish country-western band with their new hit, "I want a cowboy hat."

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/country-bands_cigarillos.jpg)


Danish country western band? LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 07:07:09 am
Quote from: lowcountrygirl on June 27, 2006, 11:46:17 pm
I kinda like the babe!  ;)



There are people on this thread who like women? Who knew? But since we are an equal opportunity fan club...

David...cancel the photoshop request. Leave the babe on the beach.

Lucise...find some after hours shots of the women in this production...Carol, Edna. Um, on second thought, maybe not Edna...


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 07:51:21 am
Yesterday we learned that Ellery wears a (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_7BC0FA0B4D-CD5F-4AA9-B2D5-518EA22F3.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/7BC0FA0B4D-CD5F-4AA9-B2D5-518EA22F3.jpg)

with his (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Image033.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Image033.jpg)

for work. He has some 

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_sock.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/red_sock.gif)

and some

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_sock-row-blue.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/sock-row-blue.jpg)


but mostly he has

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg)

Because people can see his

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg)

we know he wears

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_B0007VM38O.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/B0007VM38O.jpg)

not

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_RSFerriniLarge_11111-04.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/RSFerriniLarge_11111-04.jpg)

for work. When Ellery wears his

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_sock.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/red_sock.gif)

Amos Marigold sees red!


Ennis wears

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_123natnew.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/123natnew.jpg)

and

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/product_thumb.jpg)

for work.

Ellery is thinking of getting Ennis a new pair of boots for Christmas. Do you think Ennis would like these?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_conquist.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/conquist.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on June 28, 2006, 08:07:21 am
My eyes! My eyes! Those red boots hurt! Ennis would have to be tied to the bed before he'd wear those.

Wait a minute. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:32:29 am
That was hilarious!!!

You missed the day he wore blue socks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 09:33:34 am
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:32:29 am
That was hilarious!!!

You missed the day he wore blue socks!

The sock below the red one is blue...sort of dark, I realize, but it is a blue sock.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:38:54 am
oooh...

well for the purposes of annoying Amos hsi blue socks would have to ... stick out.  And this monitor at work really does not show shades well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 09:43:48 am
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:38:54 am
oooh...

well for the purposes of annoying Amos hsi blue socks would have to ... stick out.  And this monitor at work really does not show shades well.

All right, then. See revised for bright blue socks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:45:27 am
Okay, gang...

For those who have followed Ennis from his first fumbling grope at the Rose Hotel back in chapter 23 of "Taking Chances" to his rope tricks in the middle of "A Second Chance", I want to know how you felt about the development of Dom!Ennis and his experiments with domination and bondage.

I am not so much asking whether it meets your taste (everyone has different tastes) but how you felt this has progressed in the story.  Part of why I introduced it is because Ennis has had 20 years after first meeting Jack, most of it alone, and two years in a small room thinking about what he missed out on, and is suddenly in the arms of a willing and adventurous lover with a libido to match his own long-repressed desires.

I introduced this theme not merely for entertainment, but also as a way of flagging Ennis's unfoldment and growth on a sexual level as an accompaniment to his perhaps more subtle (perhaps not so subtle) emotional unfoldment which will lead to his coming out as homosexual to the world at large and accepting himself.

If I didn't trust that all of you in this forum were completely devoted to the development of Ennis and Ellery's relationship I might not dare to open this question, but I feel comfortable asking for frank responses.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 28, 2006, 10:58:05 am
Louisev,

     I have no trouble with seeing Ennis in a "Dom" role.    I think most succesful sexual relationships have defined roles.    As people get comfortable with eachother those tendencies (dominant or submissive) can be explored and refined.     Of course not everyone has a partner that shares such feelings.    But those who do,  well you get some of the hot, explicit scenes you have portrayed for us.

    As for the fictional Ennis, I think his characters repressed youth and poor anger management could certainly produce a Dominant and aggressive person.     I liked your earlier comments on how Ellery is an extrovert in public, yet submissive in private.  Just as Ennis is an introvert in public, yet Mr.Coyote comes out in private.     8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 28, 2006, 12:32:33 pm
Louise,
Ennis is overcoming years of repression and fear and failure to accept who he is.  The sexual unfolding with an accepting and encouraging partner in private, is helping him accept himself as he is accepted by Ellery.  At the same time, he is slowly coming out publicly.  But that takes time, plenty of time, more than a few months and more than hot and heavy sex (but it is helpful, and how!).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 12:35:20 pm
David, Scudder,

Thanks for the commentary, that is what I as going for.  I tried to include in "Looking for Answers" some explanation from Ellery as to why he was attracted to Ennis... the moment he growled at him defensively when Ellery started asking him questions, and his own internal reaction to Ennis's growl told Ellery what kind of a man he was sexually.  And that was the springing off point for Ellery attempting to get closer to him at that time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 28, 2006, 12:38:52 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:45:27 am
Okay, gang...

For those who have followed Ennis from his first fumbling grope at the Rose Hotel back in chapter 23 of "Taking Chances" to his rope tricks in the middle of "A Second Chance", I want to know how you felt about the development of Dom!Ennis and his experiments with domination and bondage.

Hmmm...bondage , I am so tied up with Ennis' take-charge attitude when it comes to his sexual relations with Ellery (so far in Looking for Answers) that I am sure Ennis' experimentation with bondage won't be too much of a leap for me  ;D
If Ellery is up for it (which I bet he is) - then I am up for it too!  ;)

I really wanna catch up and get to A second chance, but I don't wish to rush myself ...although it'll help if I didn't read the bedroom scenes 5 times over ... 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 12:46:53 pm
hehehe Lucise, take your time, at least you aren't clamoring for me to write five chapters a day.  Today I am pretty tired... I had to go to the immigration office early this morning after a late night writing last night and I have to travel tomorrow afternoon...

but I am really trying very hard to make every intimacy between them mean something, beyond the entertainment factor of course... something that shows the level of trust and intimacy between them as well as the unfolding sexual dimensions of a man who spent his life in repressed fantasy.  There are plenty more bedroom scenes to go!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 28, 2006, 12:49:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 12:46:53 pm
but I am really trying very hard to make every intimacy between them mean something, beyond the entertainment factor of course... something that shows the level of trust and intimacy between them as well as the unfolding sexual dimensions of a man who spent his life in repressed fantasy.  There are plenty more bedroom scenes to go!

Knock yourself out Louise!   ;)  No complaints coming from anybody here!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 01:20:03 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/62433.html  "Chapter 46:  Ruskin for the State"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 01:49:14 pm
In response to Louise's question, posted a few comments ago...

I actually wrote "my" Ennis (A Love Born From Steel Ennis, that is) to be opposite, that is, he comes to acknowledge and accept he's gay before moving into the realm of more adventurous and experimental sex. Near the end of the story, actually, Ennis starts asking Jack about "different types of queers" and Jack stocks the new nightstand with a few toys, which Ennis seems pleased to find and think about how to use.

I think it is not so much the order in which these events occur, rather, that there needs to be a deep and underlying love to establish the trust needed to "go there" -- wherever "there" may be. To that end, Louise, I think you have written the love very effectively, from Ellery's first "I have a theory--we're falling in love"; to Edna saying to Ennis, "He loves you very much" and Ennis being able to answer, "I know, he tells me all the time"; to most recently (and this is one of my most favorite lines in recent chapters), "You are precious to me." To me, it is that love that is more representative of Ennis's growth and unfolding, more than the sex (although the sex works, too).

This is probably going to sound like heresy to some people, but I think we have gotten to the point where Ennis loves Ellery more than he loved Jack...or maybe, to phrase it better, more completely. The point he is at now is exploring how to share a life with Ellery, something he never did with Jack. As I wrote in my story, Ennis and Jack were fuckbuddies who got together 2 or 3 times a year...fuckbuddies in love, yes, but there was no basis to their relationship other than that. He has matured, with Ellery, to the point that there is a relationship which transcends the sexual component.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 01:57:25 pm
Well, I don't know that it is "heresy."  He could not conceive of living with a man, due to his traumatic upbringing, in 1967.  After losing Jack, after losing his own home, family, profession, and sitting in a room for two years, hanging on to bare existence with his fingernails, he had to change his conceptions.  I think with this new relationship he has a context and more than that, PERMISSION to love, that he had not been granted in his relationship with Jack.  So rather than thinking of it as "loving him more than he loved Jack", he is able to express himself in ways he did not have before, lacking the experience in doing so.  If he knew how, when he and Jack reunited after those four years, he would have expressed it then, but he did not know how.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 02:13:30 pm
The people who think that it can only be Ennis and Jack would be the ones who would think it is heresy that not only does Ennis love someone else, he loves him more. Your phrase "he is able to express himself in ways he did not have before" is probably better and what I was trying to get at with "loves more completely."

I wonder, if Ennis had been able to get together with Jack in 1967, would it have worked? A large part of me says no, since I don't think either of them had the maturity, at that point, to face what would have been very high barriers. That is part of the reason I set my story in 1976. I know there are fics that have them getting together in 1967 (I even read a few paragraphs of one that had Jack objecting at Ennis's wedding...that would have been 1963). To me, that is implausible for many reasons but mostly because of the emotional maturity issue that is not being addressed.

To keep this on your story, Louise, I think you address all these issues very well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 28, 2006, 02:26:27 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 01:49:14 pm
This is probably going to sound like heresy to some people, but I think we have gotten to the point where Ennis loves Ellery more than he loved Jack...or maybe, to phrase it better, more completely.

Good thing you are posting this here Leslie!  Anywhere else, you'd be walking into unsafe territory... ;D
I agree that Ellery gets to take Ennis to places beyond his wildest dreams, places Jack would've wanted to go with him, but never got the go-ahead because of Ennis' fear of himself and his desires.  It's sad that he never got to love his first love the way he probably should've, but such is life ain't it?  We learn about ourselves as we go, from the people we meet and interact with and the relationships we forge with them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 02:33:40 pm
One of the most ironic things my ex husband said to me six months after our divorce following a 13 year marriage was "Now you're the person I always hoped you would become."  Having closed the door on the relationship, he now found someone he wanted to be with. 

I don't think there is any way to put the ketchup back in the bottle.  The Ennis of 1984 in "Taking Chances" is who he is BECAUSE of losing Jack, and after his stepwise growth in acknowledging and mourning Jack, the Ennis of "A Second Chance" has accepted that he loved Jack because he has accepted loving Ellery.  He could not, in my opinion, have done it in isolation, he could not have done it without more relationship experience, and certainly not without a great deal of nurturing and counseling toward it.

He has the beginnings of an actual support structure and society now, that he never had at any point in the past.  Growth does not happen in a vacuum.  I have had the criticism leveled at my fics that Ellery is a "ready made solution" that reinforces a theory that you can't grow up and out of the closet without a partner.  And that has never been my view.  One cannot have relationship experience without experiencing relationships... and the greatest lack Ennis had was in forming relationships.  The relationship he had with Jack was very carefully, and rigidly bounded, and with the few skills Ennis had, even alone with Jack on a desert island with plenty of food and tropical winds, he would have run into relating trouble before experiencing the growth steps he needed to get through.  In my considered opinion.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 02:45:03 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 28, 2006, 02:26:27 pm
Good thing you are posting this here Leslie!  Anywhere else, you'd be walking into unsafe territory... ;D


I promised Louise that this was a safe place, and Phillip backed me up.

Anyone else want to jump in on this discussion? I think it is very interesting but I don't want to monopolize the conversation. I'd like to hear some other folks' thoughts. Don't be shy...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Meira on June 28, 2006, 02:50:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:45:27 am
Okay, gang...

For those who have followed Ennis from his first fumbling grope at the Rose Hotel back in chapter 23 of "Taking Chances" to his rope tricks in the middle of "A Second Chance", I want to know how you felt about the development of Dom!Ennis and his experiments with domination and bondage.

I am not so much asking whether it meets your taste (everyone has different tastes) but how you felt this has progressed in the story.   
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Hey Louise,  thanks for asking.  Personally, I felt the development of Dom!Ennis happened a little too fast to be believable (though I did enjoy every minute I spent reading about it!).  I guess the part I felt was less beleiveable was the experimentation with bondage; kind of too much too soon for the newness of the relationship, and for a guy who I perceive as fairly traditional.  I do feel that the other ways in which you have him expressing his dominance (directing and giving orders) is more within the realm of what I'd expect from Ennis exploring his newfound sexual freedom.  Just the 2 cents you asked for.  I am loving every minute of the time I get to spend reading their story (though a glutton I have rudely proved to be - sorry again for that).   -Meira
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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 03:08:05 pm
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I guess the part I felt was less beleiveable was the experimentation with bondage; kind of too much too soon for the newness of the relationship, and for a guy who I perceive as fairly traditional.  I do feel that the other ways in which you have him expressing his dominance (directing and giving orders) is more within the realm of what I'd expect from Ennis exploring his newfound sexual freedom.


Interesting comment, Meira. When I read these sections, I find myself reflecting back on the first months I was married. My husband and I got "out there" (I will leave where "out there" is to all of your fertile imaginations) very quickly...doing things neither of us had previously experienced/experimented with. I think it is that wild intoxication of love that just drives you somewhere...fast. I certainly see that Ennis and Ellery are in that "honeymoon" phase of their relationship (for want of a better word).

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on June 28, 2006, 03:09:39 pm
I am quite comfortable with Ennis' development in his sexuality and personal esteem; they go hand-in-hand. Honestly, this surprises me, because prior to this story I would have felt extremely uncomfortable with any mention of S/M behavior. Perhaps it's because I am so emotionally invested in Ennis' journey and because Louise's writing is so skillful that both men's love for each other is an inextricable part of their sex play.

Having said that, I'm sure there is a line that I would be uncomfortable crossing. That line has already moved, so I'm not sure where it is yet. Ennis and Ellery's relationship is one of mutual pleasure and love. So go for it, Louise. You haven't disappointed me yet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 28, 2006, 03:19:36 pm
So what is Ennis doing right now?   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 03:22:37 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 28, 2006, 03:19:36 pm
So what is Ennis doing right now?   ;D

Given that it is 1:25 pm on a Wednesday afternoon in Laramie, I would guess working.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 03:25:59 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on June 28, 2006, 03:09:39 pm

Having said that, I'm sure there is a line that I would be uncomfortable crossing. That line has already moved, so I'm not sure where it is yet. Ennis and Ellery's relationship is one of mutual pleasure and love. So go for it, Louise. You haven't disappointed me yet.


I can tell you where that line is for me: if Ellery were to say "Stop" or "No" and Ennis didn't. (This could also work in reverse.) However, I have no worries that this will happen. There has already been a time where Ellery has made that request, Ennis immediately complied, and Ellery was even a little surprised that it happened "on his say-so."

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 28, 2006, 03:32:08 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 03:22:37 pm
Given that it is 1:25 pm on a Wednesday afternoon in Laramie, I would guess working.  ;D

Sure enough!

(http://static.flickr.com/71/177190108_f3d80b8d54.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pgcatz on June 28, 2006, 03:44:02 pm
The memory of Jack is safe with Ennis. Ellery is NOT Jack. And a very poor substitute.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 28, 2006, 03:53:27 pm
Meanwhile back at the Stallion Bar, Jim decides everyday is casual Friday.

(http://static.flickr.com/54/177201102_5f84a12e42.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 28, 2006, 03:56:14 pm
Quote from: pgcatz on June 28, 2006, 03:44:02 pm
The memory of Jack is safe with Ennis. Ellery is NOT Jack. And a very poor substitute.

Then you didn't read ALL 245 chapters then.   Ellery is a good man.   And he Loves Ennis alot.    And doesn't Ennis deserve someone who loves him?    
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 28, 2006, 03:59:47 pm
There is a trust building between Ennis and Ellery.  That trust is building and so is their sexual sophistication.  They trust each other!  They are getting more and more comfortable with each other. They can talk to each other about sex and about their work and various troubles.

Trust and Love and Comfort and Support!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 04:11:00 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 28, 2006, 03:53:27 pm
Meanwhile back at the Stallion Bar, Jim decides everyday is casual Friday.



Jim keeps acting up like this, he's not going to have that job for very long!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 28, 2006, 04:18:32 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 04:11:00 pm
Jim keeps acting up like this, he's not going to have that job for very long!

Just wait until Ennis comes in and see's him.     :o

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 28, 2006, 04:36:49 pm
Quote from: pgcatz on June 28, 2006, 03:44:02 pm
The memory of Jack is safe with Ennis. Ellery is NOT Jack. And a very poor substitute.

"The memory of Jack is safe with Ennis."
True ...

"Ellery is NOT Jack"
True ...

"And a very poor substitute."
You must care alittle bit for Ellery because I am assuming you have read all the 245 chapters David mentioned earlier! 
Otherwise why would you even bother...?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on June 28, 2006, 05:09:29 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 28, 2006, 04:36:49 pm
"The memory of Jack is safe with Ennis."
True ...

"Ellery is NOT Jack"
True ...

"And a very poor substitute."
You must care alittle bit for Ellery because I am assuming you have read all the 245 chapters David mentioned earlier! 
Otherwise why would you even bother...?  ;D

Ditto what Lucise and David said here. 

Ellery is a good good man, definitely worthy of Ennis’ love.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 05:11:32 pm
Did Louise really think she could go off and do things like eat...and rest....and sleep....and maybe even drink a glass of wine? When this is what we expect of her?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Negative20image20of20person20chaine.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 28, 2006, 05:19:32 pm
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 28, 2006, 06:17:53 pm
I was just looking at the Bettermost Stats page, and would you believe that this thread is in the Top 10 (for number of replies)?  :D 
Jeez, it has picked up over the last couple of days hasn't?

Woowee!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 06:40:31 pm
Wow...top ten! I'm impressed.

I think this is the first thread that has ever been featured on the "news" too. What I am really enjoying is that we seem to have a good mix of humor and serious discussion. Some threads are just silly, some are just serious, we seem to have found a good balance between the two.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on June 28, 2006, 06:55:11 pm
This is on TOB
http://theanswermaysurpriseyou.blogspot.com/2006/06/q-did-brokeback-mountain-make-america_27.html (http://theanswermaysurpriseyou.blogspot.com/2006/06/q-did-brokeback-mountain-make-america_27.html)

Anyway cut to the chase of the above article
(http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=Brokeback+Mountain,+gay+sex&graph=weekly_img&sa=N)
Google Trends: "Brokeback Mountain" vs "gay sex"
Blue is the search hits for "Brokeback Mountain", red is "gay sex".


After point D, why do you think the interest in “gay sex” continue to grow?  I think all the female BBM fan fiction writers doing research for their stories definitely helped keeping the no. up.  ;D

p.s.  This google trend tool is really cool.  Some search terms show strong correlation, some don’t.  You can search trend like "Brokeback Mountain" vs "gay sex"
 http://www.google.com/trends?q=brokeback+mountain%2C+gay+sex&ctab=0&geo=US&date=all (http://www.google.com/trends?q=brokeback+mountain%2C+gay+sex&ctab=0&geo=US&date=all)
I tried BBM vs Jake Gyllenhaal, and BBM vs Heath Ledger.

EDIT:  I am adding what each reference point means here:

A:  'Brokeback Mountain' wins top Venice award
KVUE (subscription) - Sep 10 2005    

B:  'Brokeback Mountain' Leads Globe Nods
CBS News - Dec 13 2005    

C:  'Brokeback Mountain' Gets 8 Oscar Nods
New York Sun - Jan 31 2006    

D:  Brokeback Mountain Wins Oscar
Undercover Music News - Mar 6 2006    

E:  Actor Randy Quaid drops lawsuit over 'Brokeback Mountain' pay
Wilkes Barre Times-Leader - May 4 2006    

F: Kevin Smith's Recalls Hellish Hemorrhoid Problems After Watching Brokeback Mountain Recently
Starpulse.com - May 25 2006    

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 28, 2006, 06:59:27 pm
Quote from: JennyC on June 28, 2006, 06:55:11 pm
This is on TOB
http://theanswermaysurpriseyou.blogspot.com/2006/06/q-did-brokeback-mountain-make-america_27.html (http://theanswermaysurpriseyou.blogspot.com/2006/06/q-did-brokeback-mountain-make-america_27.html)

Anyway cut to the chase of the above article
(http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=Brokeback+Mountain,+gay+sex&graph=weekly_img&sa=N)
Google Trends: "Brokeback Mountain" vs "gay sex"
Blue is the search hits for "Brokeback Mountain", red is "gay sex".

Well, A to D also sums up my heart rate during one of them Ennis/Ellery sex scenes ... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 28, 2006, 07:23:12 pm
Could this be Carol Off-Duty??   ;D

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000BB461C.01-A380UA15JJJ6B2._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)


Hehe ...
Later guys!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 28, 2006, 07:27:45 pm
That'll get Chris Slayers over here quickly!     LOL    :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 28, 2006, 08:01:22 pm
Love is not quantifiable.  It is not just a feeling because love takes time.  It involves process and a story and the story we tell is important to the nature of love itself.  We use LOVE when we want to proclaim that a long-developing relationship works.

Ennis love of Jack is not diminished by his love of Ellery.  If anything, it may be increased, not decreased, and increased proportionally to his love of Ellery.  Ellery is lovable in his own right, as is Ennis, as is Jack, each lovable in, and of, and for himself.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 08:44:51 pm
I wanted to thank everyone who chimed in about your take on their relationship.  It is difficult to know how far to push a topic.  And Meira, in response to your comment about it happening too quickly with the bondage... for Ennis, I was hoping that the flashback episode when he roped Jack would serve as the seed for his getting more  inventive, particularly because he told Ellery about it and that led to Ellery asking him to use the lariat.  Ennis knew, from his first experience tying up Jack with the lariat that it wasn't really a suitable medium to use on a lover whom you don't want to injure, and after leaving rope burns on Ellery he was determined to think of a better solution after their camping experience.

I have been cautious about "just how inventive" Ennis can get, and have tried to keep the focus on things he would have experience with (ropes and knots) and being introduced to new things (the dildo) by Ellery who is more worldly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:13:49 pm
Note:  Please do not be alarmed

I am leaving after work tomorrow to drive to Baden Baden for a weekend seminar.  While I have had some free time during my normal "workdays" to write some chapters, that time will be curtailed since I will be busy during the European day this weekend (until I come home Sunday afternoon) so there will not be as many updates.  But this is a temporary situation.  It will give Lucise and others time to catch up and for new readers to savor the experience of reading the "Laramie Saga" from the beginning.

Edit:  there WILL be updates and of course I will be posting in here.  But if I am lucky maybe a chapter each day.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:15:37 pm
Quote from: pgcatz on June 28, 2006, 03:44:02 pm
The memory of Jack is safe with Ennis. Ellery is NOT Jack. And a very poor substitute.

Pgcatz:  I for one would not want to try to stifle contradictory opinions.  However, I would ask you whether you have actually read the stories prior to making your comments.  One thing I do believe is unfair to the thread and to the forum as a whole is to make a comment sight unseen.  Have you read the books as yet?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 28, 2006, 09:19:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:13:49 pm
Note:  Please do not be alarmed


We are not alarmed Louise, but why do you have to have a life, hunh?
Life got no business tearing you away from such important matters as "The Laramie Saga"   .... ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:24:54 pm
well see Lucise, I felt a lot of compassion for you trying to savor the earlier chapters (which is all everyone had back two weeks ago when I first wrote them) and didn't want your experience to be sullied by bursting ahead into new exciting plot territory that you would be missing out on by not having gotten there yet.

So it's all to help you... really.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 09:42:37 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:24:54 pm
well see Lucise, I felt a lot of compassion for you trying to savor the earlier chapters (which is all everyone had back two weeks ago when I first wrote them) and didn't want your experience to be sullied by bursting ahead into new exciting plot territory that you would be missing out on by not having gotten there yet.

So it's all to help you... really.

The woman tantalizes us... really.

So, my weekend activity is to start from the beginning and start re-reading "Taking Chances." There are worse things I could do with my time...LOL

Louise, thanks for letting us know your schedule so we are all not hanging on tenter-hooks.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 28, 2006, 09:44:27 pm
No updates until Sunday?     :'(
(http://static.flickr.com/76/161228239_f335995f3d_m.jpg)

Look how Sad Ennis is! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:44:51 pm
hehehehe and on that note...

I will be going back to bed and dreaming about "Worrell for the Defense"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 09:45:36 pm
Um, guys, I just have to say...even without Louise we can still have fun with characters, sets, props and all the rest...
we can have a grand-dandy weekend and give her lots of surprises when she gets back, right?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:45:43 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 28, 2006, 09:44:27 pm
No updates until Sunday?     :'(
(http://static.flickr.com/76/161228239_f335995f3d_m.jpg)

Look how Sad Ennis is! 

no no Ennis, there will probably be updates each day, just not 8,000 words a day of updates. I just won't have time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 28, 2006, 09:49:22 pm
Jeez, Louise, I get the feeling the crowd is having some anticipatory mourning or something. LOL. Promise us you'll find a Starbucks or other internet cafe....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 28, 2006, 09:51:22 pm
err I dont need to find an internet cafe.  I have my laptop and my WLAN.  But most of the writing I do of the volume I get done during the week is done during work hours, and "during work hours" I will be doing other stuff this weekend.  I will "only" have the evenings after 6 p.m., and part of that time I have to forage for food.

So no worries, I'm not going away, just... you know, doing stuff.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on June 29, 2006, 01:15:13 am
Forage for food ? Didn't you tell us, you're on an diet ....shouldn't be thinking to much about food and writing ( and I my case reading) is best to keep the mind off the forbidden goodies... ;)

Have a nice seminar

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 03:42:01 am
yes, I am on a diet.  Which is why I have to forage.  For green vegetables.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 05:31:17 am
Just looking at the stats. Five more posts and we'll pass Jake Jake Jake! and be no. 9. Gotta go find a few pictures of props, I guess.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 05:37:34 am
I was watching "The Breakfast Club" last night on TV and I was thinking that Judd Nelson was the perfect Beagle in college. What do you think, gang? I think he could even wear the same clothes.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/breakfast2.jpg)


Judd Nelson trivia: he was born here in Portland, ME. I know his mother! I didn't know I knew his mother. She's a prominent attorney and was on the city council and I met her through that...some official function. I don't know her well, though. Don't ask me to call her up and see how Judd is doing, okay?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 06:00:52 am
what an interesting face!  He's got those puppy dog eyes, for sure!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 06:03:05 am
Ellery's linen closet used to look like this

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/linen.jpg)

but now it looks like this

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/SafeOpenEmpty.jpg)

because all the

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/sheets_02.jpg)

are in the

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/washing.jpg)

Fortunately, Ennis is a good sport about doing the laundry, and luckily, he doesn't have to do it like this!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/washingmachine.jpg)




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 06:06:53 am
Quote from: louisev on June 29, 2006, 06:00:52 am
what an interesting face!  He's got those puppy dog eyes, for sure!

Here he is, then and now:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0124breakfast_nelson.jpg)


Could work as Beagle, I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 06:20:58 am
I definitely concur.

what do you Gallery people think?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on June 29, 2006, 06:46:22 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 06:06:53 am
Here he is, then and now:
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0124breakfast_nelson.jpg)
Could work as Beagle, I think.

Works for me! I've seen his sneer and his intense emotions; he'd make a great Beagle.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 06:48:48 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 28, 2006, 09:44:27 pm
No updates until Sunday?     :'(
(http://static.flickr.com/76/161228239_f335995f3d_m.jpg)

Look how Sad Ennis is! 

David, this sad Ennis...is this in the movie? Or is this one of those pictures that never made it in?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 29, 2006, 06:49:42 am
"Sure enough.     He'll do just fine as Beagle."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 29, 2006, 06:53:08 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 06:48:48 am
David, this sad Ennis...is this in the movie? Or is this one of those pictures that never made it in?

Les,  "Sad Ennis" is just a close-up from this publicity photo.

(http://static.flickr.com/49/161229666_7952d15d3c_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 06:58:55 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 29, 2006, 06:49:42 am
"Sure enough.     He'll do just fine as Beagle."

Okay, so Lucise will add this to the gallery. Judd Nelson circa 1985 (The Breakfast Club) as U of Wyoming Beagle, and present day Judd Nelson as present day Beagle, um, Bruce Eagleton Jr.

Maybe Mr. Rooney from Ferris Bueller could be Amos Marigold? Let me go find a pic...LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 07:06:01 am
All right, here's Mr. Rooney (if I wasn't so lazy, I would actually find out the actor's name!)

Edit: Not too lazy, it's Jeffrey Jones. Only bad thing, he is too tall to be Amos...6'4 1/2". Apparently he had a bit of a career setback a few years ago and is now a registered sex offender! The things I find out on the Internet...

Now, look at this picture and notice what he is holding in his hand....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/6975.jpg)


I do not remember any Vaseline in Ferris Bueller. Hmmm, could this be a tip off to what has gotten Amos Marigold's panties in a bunch?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 07:07:57 am
caption for that last picture.

"Oh yeah, caught em dead ta rights... got the evidence right here in my hand Judge Worrell.  He had it in his bottom drawer next ta a half empty fifth a Glen somethin or other, you know, that expensive whiskey that queers an old Scotsmen drink."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 07:10:45 am
Quote from: louisev on June 29, 2006, 07:07:57 am
caption for that last picture.

"Oh yeah, caught em dead ta rights... got the evidence right here in my hand Judge Worrell.  He had it in his bottom drawer next ta a half empty fifth a Glen somethin or other, you know, that expensive whiskey that queers an old Scotsmen drink."

LOL, perfect!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 08:06:21 am
This poor man has not aged well.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/jeffrey_jones.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 08:11:30 am
oh my lord.

We need a "young" Amos Marigold.  He is specified as young, certainly NOT older than Ellery himself.

Actually, our gallery has an Amos Marigold.  I don't know who it is but he looked good.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 08:18:28 am
Quote from: louisev on June 29, 2006, 08:11:30 am
oh my lord.

We need a "young" Amos Marigold.  He is specified as young, certainly NOT older than Ellery himself.

Actually, our gallery has an Amos Marigold.  I don't know who it is but he looked good.

This one? Works for me, I was just afraid he had too much hair.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/attorney.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 08:29:05 am
too much hair?  what do you mean?  Looks clean cut to me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 08:57:08 am
Hi Louise, Leslie! and all the other folks out there  :)

I finally took the plunge and registered! I am SO excited! This place is GREAT! What a breath of fresh air!

It's going to take me a while to catch up! but it's going to be so much fun to do so!!

Are you going to update today Louise??  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 09:12:11 am
Quote from: louisev on June 29, 2006, 08:29:05 am
too much hair?  what do you mean?  Looks clean cut to me.

"At that, Marigold took two steps back, then fled, strands of unkempt hair flying."

The guy in that picture doesn't look like he has the type of hair that has strands. It is more male helmet hair.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 09:13:09 am
Quote from: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 08:57:08 am
Hi Louise, Leslie! and all the other folks out there  :)

I finally took the plunge and registered! I am SO excited! This place is GREAT! What a breath of fresh air!

It's going to take me a while to catch up! but it's going to be so much fun to do so!!

Are you going to update today Louise??  ;D

Bigheart, welcome!

I am delighted to have you join us. This is a fun group and we love to discuss all things Ennis and Ellery, funny, serious and in between. Read through the thread and don't be shy..

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 09:16:28 am
A minor character, but who knows, he may show up again. I offer, for the group's opinion, a candidate for Nate the radiator repairman.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Adventures_in_Babysitting_05.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 09:21:05 am
Quote from: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 08:57:08 am
Hi Louise, Leslie! and all the other folks out there  :)

I finally took the plunge and registered! I am SO excited! This place is GREAT! What a breath of fresh air!

It's going to take me a while to catch up! but it's going to be so much fun to do so!!

Are you going to update today Louise??  ;D

yes yes yes.  You just get here and you're already making demands?  Gee JUNE!

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/62922.html  "Love and Gratitude."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 09:22:49 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 09:16:28 am
A minor character, but who knows, he may show up again. I offer, for the group's opinion, a candidate for Nate the radiator repairman.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Adventures_in_Babysitting_05.jpg)


and he's got a cap on!  That isn't bad.  I pictured him as a little less ... er, dashing though.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 09:39:37 am
Quote from: louisev on June 29, 2006, 09:21:05 am
yes yes yes.  You just get here and you're already making demands?  Gee JUNE!

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/62922.html  "Love and Gratitude."
Haha Louise! Well, I've been waiting ALL day for my E/E fix you know!  ;D
Is this 47?
*rushes off to read*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 09:42:35 am
Quote from: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 09:39:37 am
Haha Louise! Well, I've been waiting ALL day for my E/E fix you know!  ;D
Is this 47?
*rushes off to read*

It's good. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 09:43:54 am
Thank you Leslie! It's good to be here.

It's a bit nerve - wracking switching back and forth and leaving comments on both threads... :D

I don't know anything about Nate the repairman  ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 09:53:15 am
Quote from: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 09:43:54 am
Thank you Leslie! It's good to be here.

It's a bit nerve - wracking switching back and forth and leaving comments on both threads... :D

I don't know anything about Nate the repairman  ???

Nate's the guy who fixed Ennis's truck and winked at Ennis. Told him he saw him outside the Stallion, etc.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 09:53:31 am
June you don't remember reading about Nate, who said Ennis had a nice tight sweet ass?  Now I can believe THAT GUY said that, and that he does his radiator repairs in that hair-revealing tank top!

and yes, it is Chapter 47!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 29, 2006, 09:54:34 am
Quote from: scudder on June 28, 2006, 08:01:22 pm
Love is not quantifiable.  It is not just a feeling because love takes time.  It involves process and a story and the story we tell is important to the nature of love itself.  We use LOVE when we want to proclaim that a long-developing relationship works.

Ennis love of Jack is not diminished by his love of Ellery.  If anything, it may be increased, not decreased, and increased proportionally to his love of Ellery.  Ellery is lovable in his own right, as is Ennis, as is Jack, each lovable in, and of, and for himself.

Louise, I've just been rereading the beginning of Taking Chances.  It is fantastic how you handle the fact that love is not just a feeling but a process and a story, showing how Ennis comes to terms with his love of Jack and his beginning love of Ellery.  You are a genius, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 09:55:44 am
eeeek! 

*eats out of the Doctor's hand.*

I just hope you aren't checking Ennis for blood clots after his concussion!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 09:57:05 am
hey guys, this forum has a chat system!  I am in the chat!  click on "Chat" and maybe we can have a little party before I leave for Baden Baden!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 10:15:44 am
Quote from: louisev on June 29, 2006, 09:53:31 am
June you don't remember reading about Nate, who said Ennis had a nice tight sweet ass?  Now I can believe THAT GUY said that, and that he does his radiator repairs in that hair-revealing tank top!

and yes, it is Chapter 47!
Sorry for my delayed reply - RL and all that ::)
Oh THAT repair man!! From the garage!! Of course I remember him! The guy that was always winking at Ennis, hehehe! I always imagined him to be unattractive!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 10:17:29 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 09:42:35 am
It's good. Enjoy!
It's ALWAYS good  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 10:24:59 am
come in the chat June!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 29, 2006, 10:37:22 am
Quote from: louisev on June 29, 2006, 09:22:49 am
  I pictured him as a little less ... er, dashing though.

Me too Louisev.   That guy is kinda hot in a redneck way.  Ennis may have been flattered at the compliment about his butt!   LOL

But THIS is more of how I pictured "Nate".   A real good-ol'boy type of mechanic.   

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiTo5KNEv3gA5LejzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12okedfbv/EXP=1151678056/**http%3a//images.richmond.com/images/storyimage/3-21-02cooter_story.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 10:44:52 am
hee hee David, ever resourceful.

Yeah that blond "nate" is hot but the one you posted is a little more good old boy, with a streak of gaeity.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 10:47:08 am
SQUEE!  CHAT!

Okay, we managed to get together an impromptu with a few of the people from this thread and a couple of mods, and since I am on my way off to Baden Baden this afternoon I am going to have to cut it short.

But I will plan to be back in the Chat (see the Chat button at the top of your screen) at 3 p.m. Eastern Time!  (that is 9 p.m. Central Europe time or 8 p.m. UK time).  And if you show up you can play "Ask the Author" or whatever you would like to chat about!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 10:51:51 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 29, 2006, 10:37:22 am
Me too Louisev.   That guy is kinda hot in a redneck way.  Ennis may have been flattered at the compliment about his butt!   LOL

But THIS is more of how I pictured "Nate".   A real good-ol'boy type of mechanic.   


Nah, I think he's too old. I pictured Nate as young, trying to get his garage up and running.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on June 29, 2006, 10:58:02 am
Hi all,

Louise sent me over from davecullen...  This sight seems so similar in set-up I don't really get it... but that is off-topic.  It's cool to have a just Ennis and Ellery group so I don't have to wade through info on stories I don't read.

I only read about the last 10 pages of this thread - but I sense there is a gallery of characters somewhere, directions anyone?

Also, I have struggled a lot to get a clear picture of Ellery in my head - the recent cover of Newsweek Johnny Depp is the closest thing I've seen to 'my' Ellery.  I must confess I do sometimes struggle with a vision of older Ennis - I think of older Ennis in the movie, but he is so damn withdrawn it doesn't always fit great with the Ennis I know in Laramie - I usually end going back to younger, more free Ennis... anyhow, I'll stop rambling.

Judd Nelson gets my vote for Beagle too!

Blond Nate - he's Thor from Adventures in Baby Sitting right?  His looks work for me, but he's just a little  too young...

And Louise - just read chap 47!  Thanks so much for some Ennis time!  I love Ellery but have really been feeling Ennis' absence of late...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 11:01:50 am
Quote from: notBastet on June 29, 2006, 10:58:02 am
Hi all,

Louise sent me over from davecullen...  This sight seems so similar in set-up I don't really get it... but that is off-topic.  It's cool to have a just Ennis and Ellery group so I don't have to wade through info on stories I don't read.

I only read about the last 10 pages of this thread - but I sense there is a gallery of characters somewhere, directions anyone?

Also, I have struggled a lot to get a clear picture of Ellery in my head - the recent cover of Newsweek Johnny Depp is the closest thing I've seen to 'my' Ellery.  I must confess I do sometimes struggle with a vision of older Ennis - I think of older Ennis in the movie, but he is so damn withdrawn it doesn't always fit great with the Ennis I know in Laramie - I usually end going back to younger, more free Ennis... anyhow, I'll stop rambling.

Judd Nelson gets my vote for Beagle too!

Blond Nate - he's Thor from Adventures in Baby Sitting right?  His looks work for me, but he's just a little  too young...

And Louise - just read chap 47!  Thanks so much for some Ennis time!  I love Ellery but have really been feeling Ennis' absence of late...


Hey nB, welcome! Glad to have you here. Let me find you a piece of cherry cake.

You win the trivia prize--yes, Thor (Dawson) from Adventures in Babysitting. In real life, Vincent D'Onofrio.

Scroll through the thread for the pics. Lucise collects them together in a gallery every now and then. We also have props and horses. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 29, 2006, 11:04:34 am
Hi notBastet

Quote from: notBastet on June 29, 2006, 10:58:02 am
Louise sent me over from davecullen...  This sight seems so similar in set-up I don't really get it...
Both of these forums use the same forum software, but hosted by different folks.

Quote
I only read about the last 10 pages of this thread - but I sense there is a gallery of characters somewhere, directions anyone?

Further back in the thread.  Hee.  The gallery is just posted here so far - might be nice to have a second thread just for the gallery, like we have at Dave Cullen.

Quote
the recent cover of Newsweek Johnny Depp is the closest thing I've seen to 'my' Ellery. 

Huum, saw your mention of that at DC -- I'll have to go find that cover pic cause I don't see it off the top of my head.  But thanks for the prompt.

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 11:13:47 am
I like Judd Nelson for Beagle too. And I like David's Nate! That's exactly how I imagined him to be!

Louise - I thought chapter 47 was so emotional. I was choking up. Edna is such a darling, I am so thankful Ennis has Edna and Wes in his life now. And his thoughts on Jack and love and his tears at the end, jesus, powerful stuff.

Thanks so much  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 11:16:07 am
Monica hi!

I dont think I'll ever get the hang of that quoting you just did! hehehe  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 11:22:46 am
Quote from: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 11:16:07 am
Monica hi!

I dont think I'll ever get the hang of that quoting you just did! hehehe  ;D

Actually, the quoting is different (and easier) than davecullen in that you don't get all those nested quotes. When you hit "quote" only the last thing someone wrote is quoted.

To do it Monica's way, you need to go in and add [quote ] and [/quote ] (without the spaces) around the sentences you want, but as you can see from my reply earlier, I don't usually bother.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on June 29, 2006, 12:06:03 pm
Hey all,  It takes forever to post here from my computer... Anyway have pm'd Louise and all but laid my first borne at her feet. Think she is doing a terrific job.  You guys are a hoot too. Doing a great job picturing characters, the El Camino, etc...
Reading the board is fun. 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 29, 2006, 12:15:00 pm
Chapter 47:

"Nellie, who pranced up to the gate, ears flicking forward, eyes bright, and he slipped his hand between the slats, opened flat, and she nibbled up a chunk of brown sugar, crunching on it with a nodding gesture of her head, whickering."

Really lovely image, Louise.  Loves Nellie!

Oh, and Edna too.

And Ellery.

Get the picture?   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on June 29, 2006, 12:18:42 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 11:01:50 am
You win the trivia prize--yes, Thor (Dawson) from Adventures in Babysitting. In real life, Vincent D'Onofrio.
But heck, I had no idea that was Vincent D'Onofrio!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 29, 2006, 12:22:08 pm
GALLERY Update ...  ;D

The The LARAMIE SAGA Cast GALLERY thus far:


The lads who started it all:

(http://static.flickr.com/19/91405334_06b00ce2b0.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/enn2-1.jpg)


The Chief Deputy Sheriff, Ellery Cantrell: (On and OFF duty) :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_KC.jpg) (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elBRob2.jpg)


Wayne:

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)


Gene:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/gene.jpg)


Carol (On and Off Duty)  ;D

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6IMdaFEw84AIQyjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13jo10kp5/EXP=1151518348/**http%3a//www.yolocountysheriff.com/myweb5/Sheriff%2520Final/images/command%2520staff/penny-sm.jpg)   (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000BB461C.01-A380UA15JJJ6B2._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)


Joe "Round's a Shape" Tooey ..   :)

(http://www.vmi.edu/resources/images/Auxilliary%20Services/Police/PP_Edward_Matheny.jpg)


Bill

(http://www.geocities.com/concreteangels2003/images/tony.jpg)


Wes & Edna

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shff-1.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/edn.jpg)


Dupree:   (On and Off Duty)  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/dpre.jpg)

(http://www.lonestarsteve.com/photos/lying_on_sofa.jpg)



Amos Marigold perhaps?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/attorney.jpg)


Jim   ??

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shtls.jpg)


Beagle (Before & Now)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0124breakfast_nelson.jpg)


Nate, the radiator repairman

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiTo5KNEv3gA5LejzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12okedfbv/EXP=1151678056/**http%3a//images.richmond.com/images/storyimage/3-21-02cooter_story.jpg)   OR    (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Adventures_in_Babysitting_05.jpg)

----------------

Ellery's car:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elCam.jpg)


Ellery's potential home:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elHs.jpg)


----------------

When I get home tonight, I'll compile the list of PROPS and HORSES!

 ;)




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 12:32:03 pm
Okay, so this is not specific to Ennis and Ellery but since I know this is a friendly bunch of folks, you'll get a kick out of this...look what arrived in the mail today. NOTICE THE POSTMARK! I am beside myself with excitement, LOL! You can click on these for a larger view...

front:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_postcard1.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/postcard1.jpg)

reverse:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_postcard.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/postcard.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 29, 2006, 12:33:59 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 12:29:27 pm
Lucise,
I think we've settled on the blonde haired Carol, you can probably get rid of the other one.

L

Done!

Leslie - how can I get Ennis to send me a letter?
Can I just write to LazyL and ask him or what? Hmmm?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 12:35:31 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 29, 2006, 12:33:59 pm
Done!

Ha ha, the props will take forever, there are a ton of them! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 12:42:41 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 29, 2006, 12:33:59 pm
Done!

Leslie - how can I get Ennis to send me a letter?
Can I just write to LazyL and ask him or what? Hmmm?

If you write to [email protected] you will most likely get an answer. Jack is on the computer for hours every day, much to Ennis's annoyance. I was surprised to get this postcard, I thought Ennis had given up on the US mail! LOL

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 12:45:15 pm
Quote from: notBastet on June 29, 2006, 12:18:42 pm
But heck, I had no idea that was Vincent D'Onofrio!

I think it was one of his first roles. That movie is so much fun to watch because it has a bunch of actors who went on to bigger and better things. Vincent D'Onofrio, Elisabeth Shue, and Anthony Rapp who played in RENT for years and is in the movie version, too.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 12:47:26 pm
Quote from: gn411 on June 29, 2006, 12:06:03 pm
Hey all,  It takes forever to post here from my computer... Anyway have pm'd Louise and all but laid my first borne at her feet. Think she is doing a terrific job.  You guys are a hoot too. Doing a great job picturing characters, the El Camino, etc...
Reading the board is fun. 



Hi gn411...

Welcome, glad to have you here. Not sure why you would be having trouble posting?

Please dive in and join the conversation. Don't be shy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 29, 2006, 01:34:19 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 12:42:41 pm
If you write to [email protected] you will most likely get an answer.

Great!
I will write, and I better get a reply!  (Especially if Jack is online for hours at a time! ) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 02:15:22 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 11:13:47 am
I like Judd Nelson for Beagle too. And I like David's Nate! That's exactly how I imagined him to be!

Louise - I thought chapter 47 was so emotional. I was choking up. Edna is such a darling, I am so thankful Ennis has Edna and Wes in his life now. And his thoughts on Jack and love and his tears at the end, jesus, powerful stuff.

Thanks so much  :)


awww you are quite welcome.  And hey did you see my "pro Horse" plug with Nellie as a lil darlin?  I did that for LovemHorses!  *wink*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 02:21:01 pm
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on June 29, 2006, 12:15:00 pm
Chapter 47:

"Nellie, who pranced up to the gate, ears flicking forward, eyes bright, and he slipped his hand between the slats, opened flat, and she nibbled up a chunk of brown sugar, crunching on it with a nodding gesture of her head, whickering."

Really lovely image, Louise.  Loves Nellie!

Oh, and Edna too.

And Ellery.

Get the picture?   ;D

I knew you'd like it, I knew it, I knew it!  I hope that picture IS of a bay!  IF it isnt I'll edit the post!

I am in BadenBaden now and will be ready in about 10 or 15 minutes to get into chat mode, if this thing speeds up.  If anyone missed it, we are holding a thread LIVE CHAT!  click on the lips on the main menu and you are there!  and bring your questions for the author, because I am sitting here munching on yogurt and apple and drinking spring water with nothing better to do!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on June 29, 2006, 02:23:08 pm
I hope you'll be doing some writing with your free time, not just chatting... hee hee.

Got to go do some more work of my own before i go into chat mode.  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 02:24:29 pm
Quote from: notBastet on June 29, 2006, 12:18:42 pm
But heck, I had no idea that was Vincent D'Onofrio!

holy crap, neither did I!  Now I have to look again!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 02:34:55 pm
Quote from: notBastet on June 29, 2006, 02:23:08 pm
I hope you'll be doing some writing with your free time, not just chatting... hee hee.

Got to go do some more work of my own before i go into chat mode.  ::)

why you little minx!  where is that picture of me being chained to my laptop!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 02:36:59 pm
Um, this one?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Negative20image20of20person20chaine.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 29, 2006, 03:30:55 pm
that would be the picture in question!

I hope you can join us, we are having a hot and heavy discussion of Ennis's first sexual pass.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 07:18:43 pm
What's happened to eveyone? We haven't had a post for hours!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 07:36:34 pm
Lucise - I just wanted to say THANK YOU for the Gallery Update!! I've been trying to catch up here (got about 20 pages left to go through!) but this has made it so much easier for me!!

I LOVE ALL OF THEM!

Thanks again!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 02:36:59 pm
Um, this one?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Negative20image20of20person20chaine.jpg)

Heeee! this is SO great!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 29, 2006, 08:14:12 pm
YEE HAA!   

  Thanks to Louisev and her groupees we now have 496 members!   

We may hit the big 500 by month end after all!     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 08:35:29 pm
I so need an update...I swear I feel like a heroin addict or something. Not that I have any real conception of what it feels like to be a heroin addict...LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 29, 2006, 08:43:43 pm
I know!    How frustrating!     It is like Ennis and Ellery are going about their day and we are missing it!   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on June 29, 2006, 09:06:16 pm
Hey I can get on board with this!  A sexier Ellery

Looking for your expert opinion, David.

(http://www.joelysueburkhart.com/hello/73/1539/640/hugh_jackman.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 29, 2006, 09:26:11 pm
Oh, that one is hot, Dee.

I think that Ellery may be the one character we all need to agree to disagree on. I know Louise is pretty set on the Carradine guy (Keith or David, can't remember). I still like the Italian/Belgian model guy...altho this new one may overtake him on the list. 

Of course, if we all have slightly different ideas, that gives us all a reaon to keep throwing up pics of new Ellerys. Have at it, team!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 29, 2006, 09:45:49 pm
Oooo!    I like him!  But he needs a shave!

Mr.Coyote likes him too!
(http://static.flickr.com/55/174903040_24f13e82c6_m.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 29, 2006, 09:53:31 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on June 29, 2006, 07:36:34 pm
Lucise - I just wanted to say THANK YOU for the Gallery Update!! I've been trying to catch up here (got about 20 pages left to go through!) but this has made it so much easier for me!!

I LOVE ALL OF THEM!

Thanks again!  :)

Yer welcome BigHeart!  We've been busy digging up pictures ...  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 29, 2006, 10:41:51 pm
lol...David!
Love the lil 'sex' icon you got going there!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 29, 2006, 11:10:03 pm
Quote from: DeeDee on June 29, 2006, 09:06:16 pm
Hey I can get on board with this!  A sexier Ellery

Looking for your expert opinion, David.

(http://www.joelysueburkhart.com/hello/73/1539/640/hugh_jackman.jpg)

DeeDee -- do my eyes deceive me or is this Hugh Jackman?  Looks like him, but I don't recall a picture of him with such dark hair before!

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 12:30:48 am
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on June 29, 2006, 11:10:03 pm
DeeDee -- do my eyes deceive me or is this Hugh Jackman?  Looks like him, but I don't recall a picture of him with such dark hair before!

Monica

OK, I'll answer my own question, Yes -- Hugh Jackman.  *yeouch!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 12:36:45 am
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 12:30:48 am
OK, I'll answer my own question, Yes -- Hugh Jackman.  *yeouch!*

lol..looks like all of Louise's beloved groupies are off to bed, dreaming of Ennis/Ellery... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 01:02:09 am
Ok..on to a new page to start our Gallery of PROPS ... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 01:08:32 am
For "The LARAMIE SAGA Cast Gallery" to date ... Visit here:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.msg50669#msg50669 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.msg50669#msg50669)


"The LARAMIE SAGA Props Gallery"

These are the TOP 3 Props IMO …   ;)

(http://mcraeclan.com/links/g/Doughboy.gif)

(http://www.singlemaltsdirect.com/acatalog/glenfiddich_anc18_b.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/vaseline.jpg)


More ….

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_shishkebob.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_L_TKnot.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_delmontelogos.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/country-bands_cigarillos.jpg)


Ellery's Wardrobe

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_tank.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_10476.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_7BC0FA0B4D-CD5F-4AA9-B2D5-518EA22F3.jpg)       (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Image033.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_sock.gif)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_sock-row-blue.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_B0007VM38O.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_tejublueblutop.jpg)


Ennis' WardRobe

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_123natnew.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/product_thumb.jpg)



HORSE Gallery

Nellie

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Nellie.jpg)


Socks 

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Socks.jpg)


Pal

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Pal.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on June 30, 2006, 02:19:20 am
Quote from: DeeDee on June 29, 2006, 09:06:16 pm
Hey I can get on board with this!  A sexier Ellery

Looking for your expert opinion, David.

(http://www.joelysueburkhart.com/hello/73/1539/640/hugh_jackman.jpg)

Yes !!! This is Ellery, absolutely, this Carradine-guy is way to blond and not erotic enough. I shall keep this face in my mind for our favorite cop in Laramie

 ;D

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 30, 2006, 02:47:17 am
caramelle !  who is that man!!!

Iam sorry to anyone who was looking for me (or for updates!) last night, the WLAN crashed and there was no connectivity until of course I have to leave!!!

I will be back later, but in case I am not, then I will have to wait for the WLAN to reboot and I will be type typity typing away.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 03:12:06 am
DeeDee - you are the Mistress of finding Ellery's!  ;D
-------------

Ok...we must see all of the Ellery contenders in the uniform...

(1)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elPU-1.jpg)

(2)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_KC.jpg)

(3)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_HJ.jpg)


* stands back and checks 'em out ...*

I must say that Hugh Jackman in this pic makes a stunning Ellery too!! Hmmmm  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 04:40:33 am
Ellery number three definitely has me drooling in my keyboard, at 4:40 am EDT. If I am drooling this early in the morning, I will be a mess by lunch. So what else is new?

Look, as I type this, Bettermost is at 500 members! Yipee!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 05:08:03 am
I think....I really think....I have the latest chapter memorized!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on June 30, 2006, 05:44:52 am
@MaineWriter,

"wipingmykeybordwithasponge" I think Hugh Jackman is it ! Going to google some to see, if a can find a pic with dark hair and a clean shave. I saved the pic of him in uniform on my USB-stick to take on holyday on saturday... and when I'm back in the middle of September, I shall have myself a slash-fic-orgy !


Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 30, 2006, 06:10:54 am
Tell you what.....Bachelor #3 is who makes my tent need fixing!     :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 30, 2006, 06:22:50 am
No Chapter 48 yet?     :o

(Curls up into fetal position on the floor and starts rocking back and forth)

It's ok, it S'alright..... everythings gonna be S'alright.....puleeez someone tell me there'll be more!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 30, 2006, 06:55:04 am
it's okay David.  I got stuck offline last night, and am behind in delivering an RPS fic after spending half the night banging my head on the keyboard with a hung router.  I drafted the thing I was supposed to write, but have not gotten to hand-writing chapter 48.  I need to lie down since the heat has got me drowsier than a horse sleeping on his feet.  All will be well... I promise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on June 30, 2006, 07:03:22 am
Definitely bachelor #3. Oh my.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 30, 2006, 07:24:32 am
Even I, the proponent of Keith Carradiine as Ellery, have to cave to Bachelor #3.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 07:33:13 am
Here's another view and in this one, it even appears that the eyes are the right color and he is wearing black.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 30, 2006, 07:48:34 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 07:33:13 am
Here's another view and in this one, it even appears that the eyes are the right color and he is wearing black.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman1.jpg)

OMG Leslie! *faints*
This is Ellery for me.... I think I love him even more now  ;D

*THUD*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 30, 2006, 07:52:08 am
Quote from: louisev on June 30, 2006, 06:55:04 am
it's okay David.  I got stuck offline last night, and am behind in delivering an RPS fic after spending half the night banging my head on the keyboard with a hung router.  I drafted the thing I was supposed to write, but have not gotten to hand-writing chapter 48.  I need to lie down since the heat has got me drowsier than a horse sleeping on his feet.  All will be well... I promise!
Aw Louise - puleeeze hurry!! It's been WAY TOO LONG!!  :( :-*
Btw - is this the RPS Lola has been on about? And how are the drabbles coming along? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 30, 2006, 07:54:34 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 30, 2006, 06:22:50 am
No Chapter 48 yet?     :o

(Curls up into fetal position on the floor and starts rocking back and forth)

It's ok, it S'alright..... everythings gonna be S'alright.....puleeez someone tell me there'll be more!
Heehee - you are so funny!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 07:56:15 am
Quote from: Bigheart on June 30, 2006, 07:48:34 am
OMG Leslie! *faints*
This is Ellery for me.... I think I love him even more now  ;D

*THUD*

*THUD* is right. I am like glued to this picture.

If we go with bachelor no. 3 for Ellery, I think I need to point out we have an Australian Ennis and Australian Ellery. What's wrong with the US? We can't grow good looking men?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 30, 2006, 08:09:44 am
Quote from: lowcountrygirl on June 26, 2006, 10:24:48 am
Hey!

I just found my way over here and am glad to find a place to talk freely about Ennis and Ellery. As an "Ennis" myself, reading this series has been extremely therapeutic!

I look forward to hanging out here more!

Jeanine :)

Hi Jeanine!! *waves*  :-*
I'm catching up here and just saw you're post!
Isn't it just great here! And yes SO wonderful to be able to talk about Ennis and Ellery like this  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 30, 2006, 08:17:55 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 07:56:15 am
*THUD* is right. I am like glued to this picture.

If we go with bachelor no. 3 for Ellery, I think I need to point out we have an Australian Ennis and Australian Ellery. What's wrong with the US? We can't grow good looking men?

L

Oh Leslie!!  :o :o
What are you saying?!?!
WHO are you forgetting?!?
Born and bred in the US of A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 08:24:58 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 07:56:15 am
*THUD* is right. I am like glued to this picture.

If we go with bachelor no. 3 for Ellery, I think I need to point out we have an Australian Ennis and Australian Ellery. What's wrong with the US? We can't grow good looking men?


Hot Damn, yeah Hugh looks fabulous in that picture with the uniform!!! Definitely Ellery!    Shit, now my X-Men and BBM fics are going to start merging???  Thought I was going to be able to keep them safely segmented in my mind. Ai yi yi.

And those aussies?  If you can't beat them -- suck them in and claim them for yourselves!!  LOL

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on June 30, 2006, 08:26:45 am
Quote from: Lucise on June 26, 2006, 04:58:50 pm

I think Ennis knows that nobody can replace Jack - first loves are like that..
Post-Jack, I really wouldn't want to see Ennis roll up and die in his sad lil trailer.  :-\
I am sure that Jack would want him to be happy ...
and if it takes Ellery to do it, then so be it!   ;)

I SO totally agree with you Lucise  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 08:32:53 am
??

I could a sworn that we had a composit photo of Ennis and Ellery, but couldn't find it paging back through.  Can we please have that surface again... with the Hugh-Ellery??  Purty purty please??     :-*  :-*

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 09:32:44 am
Quote from: Bigheart on June 30, 2006, 08:17:55 am
Oh Leslie!!  :o :o
What are you saying?!?!
WHO are you forgetting?!?
Born and bred in the US of A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Duh! **Leslie gives herself a big dopeslap, then reminds herself, "Yeah, but I am a Heathen after all..."**
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 30, 2006, 09:35:10 am
Quote from: Bigheart on June 30, 2006, 07:52:08 am
Aw Louise - puleeeze hurry!! It's been WAY TOO LONG!!  :( :-*
Btw - is this the RPS Lola has been on about? And how are the drabbles coming along? 

yes yes, that is the one.  This dream belongs with the drabbles. And I just walked out at the mid afternoon break because I feel like a zombie and my face is bright red.  So I am going to take a nap and then get back to the important things in life:  slash.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 09:38:38 am
Quote from: Lucise on June 26, 2006, 10:22:45 pm
Ok, how about a younger Keith Carradine as a young Ellery ... :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en-1.jpg)


I promise to go do something else after this, instead of obsessing over pix ...lol

For Monica...is this the pic you were thinking of? I believe Lucise and/or David are our photoshop experts, maybe they can get the "new" Ellery face in there.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 30, 2006, 09:41:30 am
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 08:24:58 am
Hot Damn, yeah Hugh looks fabulous in that picture with the uniform!!! Definitely Ellery!    Shit, now my X-Men and BBM fics are going to start merging???  Thought I was going to be able to keep them safely segmented in my mind. Ai yi yi.

And those aussies?  If you can't beat them -- suck them in and claim them for yourselves!!  LOL

Monica

X-Men/BBM/Laramie Saga crossover anyone?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 10:29:23 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 09:38:38 am
For Monica...is this the pic you were thinking of? I believe Lucise and/or David are our photoshop experts, maybe they can get the "new" Ellery face in there.

L

YES!  That's the one!  Thanks for finding it Leslie.

Lucise...  David... you guys out there???  Oh pleaseOh pleaseOh please...

M
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 10:34:51 am
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 10:29:23 am
YES!  That's the one!  Thanks for finding it Leslie.

Lucise...  David... you guys out there???  Oh pleaseOh pleaseOh please...

M

David is actually going to be off the computer most of the day today...he is helping a friend with some project. Lucise is in Vancouver so it is still early morning for her. But they'll be along, I just know it...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 11:38:34 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 10:34:51 am
David is actually going to be off the computer most of the day today...he is helping a friend with some project. Lucise is in Vancouver so it is still early morning for her. But they'll be along, I just know it...

L

Morning to all you Bachelor # 3 lovers , you!
I actually dreamt of him last night!!  :laugh:  Hot damn is right!! LOL

I am dying to make a composite Ennis/new-Ellery pic...
But at the moment, I am at work, and I dont have my paint program at my fingertips ... :-\
but I'll get on it as soon as I get home from work!  I am dying to see them two hotties together too!  ;D
Even Louise is caving for Bach. #3, wooweee!!  ;)

Leslie hun, I actually live in Alberta, so I got mountain time, same as Ennis and Ellery!!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 11:41:37 am
Quote from: Lucise on June 30, 2006, 11:38:34 am

Leslie hun, I actually live in Alberta, so I got mountain time, same as Ennis and Ellery!!!  :D

Well, thanks for setting me straight on that! LOL

So...have you visited all the movie locations since it was filmed in YOUR BACKYARD?? Damn, I'm jealous!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on June 30, 2006, 11:42:05 am
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 08:24:58 am
And those aussies?  If you can't beat them -- suck them in and claim them for yourselves!!  LOL

**repeatedly raises eyebrows**

(p.s. i vote for HJ over KC for Ellery)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on June 30, 2006, 11:45:03 am
Lousie - sorry about your computer problems - supremely frustrating...

(why is your face red? sunburn? vs. inappropriate thoughts about Ellery and Ennis midst seminar?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on June 30, 2006, 11:48:19 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 07:56:15 am
*THUD* is right. I am like glued to this picture.

If we go with bachelor no. 3 for Ellery, I think I need to point out we have an Australian Ennis and Australian Ellery. What's wrong with the US? We can't grow good looking men?

L


Well my sources say, Jackman is the son of British parents born and raised in Sydney .... so me (beeing a "naturalized" British Citizien) I'm claiming Jackman AKA Ellery for the British Empire  :laugh:

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 11:54:06 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 11:41:37 am
So...have you visited all the movie locations since it was filmed in YOUR BACKYARD?? Damn, I'm jealous!

BBM was shot in like 6 or 7 different places in Alberta and I haven't been to all of them ...
But it feels good to know that I am not very far away, in case it gets urgent ...  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on June 30, 2006, 12:24:43 pm
In reference to Hugh Jackman being of British Heritage: 

God Save the Queen!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 12:52:57 pm
Quote from: notBastet on June 30, 2006, 11:42:05 am
**repeatedly raises eyebrows**

ROFLMAO notBastet.  touche.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 01:46:08 pm
As we all sit here, waiting for the next chapter, re-reading old chapters, picturing Ennis and Ellery doing whatever (somehow, I don't think we're picturing them eating fishsticks), I thought y'all might be interested in this little tidbit of information I just came across:

A recent reanalysis of Alfred Kinsey's data, titled "The Relation Between Sexual Orientation and Penile Size," found that homosexuals had significantly larger penises than nonhomosexuals, no matter how the measurements were done.

If you want to read the full article, "On the Matter of Size:The inexact science of penis measurement," click here:

http://www.slate.com/id/2136061/#sb2136142 (http://www.slate.com/id/2136061/#sb2136142)

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 30, 2006, 03:45:35 pm
Well boys and girls, I am just about ready to change hotels.  the WLAN died again after my nap, and the Polish speaking receptionist, who goes home at 10 p.m., made a phone call and got no answer and all of their computers are dead too and, oh well.  Who cares, they say, Deutschland won the soccer quarterfinals!  The horns have been blowing like mad!

And yes, I wrote another chapter, and am sitting in an Internet Cafe that is about to close.  Who closes internet cafes at 10 p.m. you ask?  DEUTSCHLAND does.

What you have been waiting for:

Chapter 48 of "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/63122.html  "A Couple"

I will do my best to correct the hotel problem, but if they can't assure me they are going to get the thing going tomorrow I will try to move hotels.  Might be difficult since the Italian soccer team (who apparently also won) are supposed to be coming to Baden Baden this weekend.

Oh well, at least I have the "till 10 p.m. internet cafe" a walk away from here.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on June 30, 2006, 03:52:03 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 30, 2006, 03:12:06 am
DeeDee - you are the Mistress of finding Ellery's!  ;D
-------------

Ok...we must see all of the Ellery contenders in the uniform...

(1)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elPU-1.jpg)

(2)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_KC.jpg)

(3)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_HJ.jpg)


* stands back and checks 'em out ...*

I must say that Hugh Jackman in this pic makes a stunning Ellery too!! Hmmmm  :)






O dear!! I just replaced my original with number 3!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 04:13:34 pm
Hey Louise!

Cheers for not forgetting us, come rain, sun or internet cafes closing at 10pm..;D !!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 30, 2006, 04:14:23 pm
Folks I am really really sorry about my internet being down... I will try to do my best to make it up to you!!!  I have also not been feeling well, possibly because of the intense heat here.

I did get a nice nap in earlier and hope I can get a little more writing done.  If the Internet comes back on at the hotel I will come back in, so keep checking back.

You may be interested to know that I am withdrawing substantially from my involvement with other fan forums due to um, "irreconcilable differences" and I will be spending a lot more time here, and that means choosing a time for a chat forum and putting up links and etc.

If you folks could think of what would be a good time for you (that is if you WANT to have a chat with author session regularly) , I am thinking a time on the weekend might work out best for everyone and not interfere with anybody's work or sleep (least of all mine.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on June 30, 2006, 04:19:24 pm
Hey Louise - just wanted to say thanks for the updates today.  comments over on LJ...  my schedule is incredibly erratic so i won't vote for a chat time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 30, 2006, 04:19:42 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 30, 2006, 04:13:34 pm
Hey Louise!

Cheers for not forgetting us, come rain, sun or internet cafes closing at 10pm..;D !!

I am trembling!  I think I actually have shakes from not having internet!

It does remind me of the horrible winter I spent in Munich in 2004.  The residence hotel I moved into had "internet" but the computer, which was one computer for the entire complex (limited to half hour windows of time with people standing over you) was dog slow, had trouble opening browsers, and in addition had an "browser Nanny" that would not allow me to open any of the sites I was on.  (You know, like the yaoi fiction site I was writing for at the time).  Anyone who wants to see "what else I write" is welcome to browse my internet site for my several unpublished novels, my one published novel which is available there for sale, or look for my name in amazon.com

my website is www.zebratta.com

In winter of 2004 I was reduced to getting on a bus, then changing to the underground, then transferring to the train from Ottobrunn (on the outskirts of a very big city), then going downtown, to the Hauptbahnhof, into a crowded (with smokers) internet cafe that closed at midnight.  The chairs they had there were brutal on my back, which I was having trouble with due to the bad chairs at my work... and when I get let go from the position after 6 weeks and ended up back at my friend Jane's house in Darmstadt (she had broadband) I was not so much disappointed as grateful.

So I am reliving a bit of a nightmare at the moment.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on June 30, 2006, 04:24:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 30, 2006, 04:19:42 pm
So I am reliving a bit of a nightmare at the moment.

 :-\

(maybe it would help you to think about a fave e and e moment?  :D)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 30, 2006, 04:27:07 pm
well the most reviewed moment, believe it or not, was not bottom!Ennis, or reallybottom!Ennis, but rather the time Ellery hurt is back and begged Ennis to let him give him a blow job while flat on his back, and Ennis knelt over him, gripping onto the headboard while Ellery let his tongue do the walking.

Chapter 82 I believe, in "Taking Chances."

Or the Burned Biscuits chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on June 30, 2006, 05:22:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on June 30, 2006, 04:27:07 pm
bottom!Ennis, or reallybottom!Ennis

*snerk*   ;D  ;D


liked reallybottom!Ennis myself.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on June 30, 2006, 05:55:57 pm
The pictures of the three Ellerys are great!  I think I am in a minority but I still vote for Ellery #2, :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 07:13:20 pm
It sounds like Louise had quite the day. She pm'ed me a few extra details which I won't divulge here, let's just say, on the astrology charts, it rated about one star.

Louise...thanks for perservering and giving us a chapter! I am telling you, I jumped right on it and read it a few dozen times. I am sure everyone else did, too.

I don't have all those little animated graphics thing-a-ma-jiggies but maybe someone has a standing ovation? I think she has earned it.

Louise...when you get back online, we'll be thrilled to see you!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on June 30, 2006, 07:20:04 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 01:46:08 pm
A recent reanalysis of Alfred Kinsey's data, titled "The Relation Between Sexual Orientation and Penile Size," found that homosexuals had significantly larger penises than nonhomosexuals, no matter how the measurements were done.

  LOL!   I could have told you that!     he he he!    :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on June 30, 2006, 08:22:35 pm
Lauren and Rudy?  or.... Rudy and Lauren?



(http://www.fit.edu/development/Events2002/Eventpic/message1/bartenders.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 09:21:14 pm
How about a few composite Ennis/new-HJ-Ellery pix?  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_4.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_7-1.jpg)


I am partial to the B & W ones myself ... ;)
Heath and Jake are numero uno, but Heath and Hugh aint too bad either .. :P

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on June 30, 2006, 09:45:28 pm
Quote from: Lucise on June 30, 2006, 09:21:14 pm
How about a few composite Ennis/new-HJ-Ellery pix?  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_4.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_7-1.jpg)


I am partial to the B & W ones myself ... ;)
Heath and Jake are numero uno, but Heath and Hugh aint too bad either .. :P




Lordy!! I will be dreamin' sweet tonight.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 10:11:53 pm

Could not resist this smile ...  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_333_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 06:48:50 am
Good morning, y'all!

I know, I'm up REALLY early, but Ennis and Ellery keep waking me up with new things to think about.

I learned about the Laramie Saga here on Bettermost, and now I'm obsessed. I have to agree with posts that say that Ellery is a good, good man. I have come to love him so much that I am now as glad that Ellery has Ennis as I am glad that Ennis has Ellery. And it's been a conversion experience for me. More on that in a later post.

Peace,
Fred
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 07:05:27 am
Hey Fred,

Welcome to the club of th obsessed. It is a good place to be. This story has given me so much to think about in the "experience" of BBM. I decided that's what it is...an experience. No longer just a movie or short story. There are people who choose not to read fanfics because they don't want to "ruin the story." And certainly that's finie and their decision, but I have come to realize that by doing that, they are missing out on the broader experience. Interesting.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 01, 2006, 07:06:09 am
G'morning Fred!

   I hear ya.  I was reluctant to think of Ennis with another man at first.  But Leslie (Mainewriter) convinced me to try reading a few chapters.   Now I'm hooked!

I think we all needed to see the closure of Jacks death.   A this we got.   Ennis was ready for his next life.  One where he can accept himself and be happy.   Ellery seems to want this too.   Which is why they click so well together.  Well that and all the sex.   LOL.    Louisev has given us a great supporting cast as well.

   I think I miss Jack as much as Ennis does!    But even though Ellery is different than Jack, he is good for Ennis.  And he is letting Ennis grow emotionally.   And that is a good thing.

Dammit!  I want to move to Laramie and live with all these people!    
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 07:44:34 am
Louise and I have pm'ed privately on this. I get little drabbles of conversation for her story. This time I'll just throw it out to the group. Louise, I hope you don't mind! I think the ending of the latest chapter felt a little abrupt (after all, they were kicking you out of the Internet cafe!) so a bit of closure came to me at 4:30 am. 

EDIT: With the new chapter up, this doesn't exactly fit, but it was still fun to write so I am going to leave it here, for whatever...

---------------------------

The three of them ate their supper in easy conversation, talking about this and that, the Red Stallion, the office, horses. As Ellery finished eating, he laid his utensils neatly across his empty plate and looked at Ennis. "Thank you sweetheart," he said. "That was delicious."

"My pleasure," said Ennis with a smile.

Dupree concurred. "I don't get good grub like that very often," he said. "Bein' single, ain't worth the effort t'cook for myself."

"That's what I used t'say," said Ellery. "Bein' alone..."

"Ya ain't alone anymore," said Ennis, surprising himself, a bit, with the intimacy of the comment in front of Dupree, but feeling it needed to be said.

"No I ain't," replied Ellery, smiling.

Dupree looked at the two of them, then stood up. "Let me help with clearin' the dishes," he said, as he gathered up the plates.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2006, 07:46:36 am
Okay gang...

At long last... I trekked to the internet cafe and here is another poorly-offset Wordpad chapter!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/63277.html?view=480045#t480045  "Chapter 49:  The Two Sides of Ennis"

The hotel has finally determined their provider is having an outage.  At first I thought this was good news... providers don't stay out for two days, do they?

Oh how wrong I am.

The good news is, I should be home in just over 24 hours!

I love the black and white photoshop composites!  And welcome Pastor Fred!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2006, 08:02:44 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 07:44:34 am
Louise and I have pm'ed privately on this. I get little drabbles of conversation for her story. This time I'll just throw it out to the group. Louise, I hope you don't mind! I think the ending of the latest chapter felt a little abrupt (after all, they were kicking you out of the Internet cafe!) so a bit of closure came to me at 4:30 am. 


nah, I don't mind.

The past two chapters have been drafted under "less than ideal" conditions, and it really does annoy me, I can't tell you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2006, 08:03:54 am
 
Okay gang, it is 2 p.m. Central European time and I have exactly 50 minutes , not enough time to write a new chapter and I am way too tense to go back and reformat chapter 49, so I am going into the Chat Room.

Anyone who wants to meet me there I would love to chat... I am still trembling from internet withdrawal.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 08:44:19 am
Thanks for the new chapter, Louise. Ennis still runs full throttle on all roads, doesn't he?  ;)

I have to say that (imho, of course) you write only a few sex scenes per se. You surely write a lot of love scenes, and some of them (like this one) are red hot.

Maybe one of the great gifts of bbm and fanfic thereof is to allow a lot of people to recognize the reality of two men making love.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 08:57:52 am
When I was walking my dogs Wednesday morning, I was thinking about my inability to read this story: I couldn't imagine Ennis with anybody else. In my heart and mind, Jack asked me if I thought that was fair to Ennis. (If you wonder about Jack speaking to me, I share a little of my story on my own lj - http://pastorfred.livejournal.com (http://pastorfred.livejournal.com))

Then I came up with criteria: Ellery had to be a good man and he had to have reverence for the great love of Ennis and Jack. Needless to say, Ellery met those criteria and then some!

I've read the whole trilogy to date since Wednesday morning, and I haven't gotten much else done, and haven't slept a whole lot, either. On the other hand, I haven't encountered anything as deeply healing as the Laramie Saga.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 01, 2006, 09:10:51 am
Quote from: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 08:57:52 am
I haven't encountered anything as deeply healing as the Laramie Saga.
I have to agree with you, pastorfred. After reeling for months from the effects of reading and seeing BBM, the Laramie Saga has been my healing process. I connected instantly with Louise's Ennis, and I am moving out of my grief as he does. The heavy pain has been replaced by a deep sense of joy, and I am more open to my heart and others' needs. What a saving grace for me.

I read the story on your journal, at once painful and redemptive. What a blessing to have you there for Jack and Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 01, 2006, 09:22:13 am
Quote from: Lucise on June 30, 2006, 09:21:14 pm
How about a few composite Ennis/new-HJ-Ellery pix?  ;)


SQUEE!!  Thanks for these Lucise!  I'm partial to #1 and 2, myself.  LOVE that image of HJ-Ellery in number 1.  Very Ellery IMO.

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 09:29:54 am
Thanks, neatfreak! It surely helps to know that we are not alone, doesn't it?

LoveEmBoys - I'm partial to HJ-Ellery, too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 01, 2006, 09:31:52 am
Quote from: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 08:57:52 am
When I was walking my dogs Wednesday morning, I was thinking about my inability to read this story: I couldn't imagine Ennis with anybody else. In my heart and mind, Jack asked me if I thought that was fair to Ennis.

Then I came up with criteria: Ellery had to be a good man and he had to have reverence for the great love of Ennis and Jack. Needless to say, Ellery met those criteria and then some!

Nicely put Fred.

Quote from: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 08:57:52 am
On the other hand, I haven't encountered anything as deeply healing as the Laramie Saga.

Dang neatfreak, you got yours posted quicker than me!  But yes, Fred -- I find it healing as well.  For Ennis as well as myself.  It saddens me that some others can't see that connection.  But then we all can only interpret a story as it fits within our own lives / experience.

Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 01, 2006, 07:06:09 am
Dammit!  I want to move to Laramie and live with all these people!   

LOL!  Me too!


Louise:  Hugs HONEY!  Sorry to hear of your troubles!  I haven't been around so missed your chat sessions too.   :(    Are you headed back home tomorrow?  Keep your pecker up...  LOL -- that British expression never fails to make me smile.

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 10:44:11 am
from LoveEmBoys at 08:31:52 am
Quote
But then we all can only interpret a story as it fits within our own lives / experience.
So true! Because of my experience I can't deny that beautiful Jack died. I do get a lot of comfort from Alternate Universes, but I have to live in this one. I'm also dealing with some major real life grief: My dear wife died last December. So Brokeback Mountain - - - and now this incredible story - - - are helping me immensely.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 12:05:09 pm
Fred...so sorry to hear about your wife. My thoughts are with you.

This story...I just can't let it go. And meanwhile, I am writing another one, myself. The obsession continues!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 01:00:36 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 12:05:09 pm
Fred...so sorry to hear about your wife. My thoughts are with you.

This story...I just can't let it go. And meanwhile, I am writing another one, myself. The obsession continues!

L

Thanks so much, Leslie!

And I want you to know how very much "A Love Born from Steel" means to me. From Tom's philosophy of "Everything happens for a reason..." to the exquisite depiction of human spirituality. That universe is so very much like this one. Sometimes I want to go live there. I've been to Laramie, and I grew up in Texas. Your Quanah is a much better place than either one in this world.  ;)

I now life in a paradise called the Palouse in northern Idaho.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 01, 2006, 01:30:28 pm
Fred,

So sorry to hear about your wife...

Welcome to Laramie Saga!  Anyday that one more person believes Ennis deserve a chance to have a happy life after Jack is a good day.  Jack would want that too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 01:49:09 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 01, 2006, 01:30:28 pm
Fred,

So sorry to hear about your wife...

Welcome to Laramie Saga!  Anyday that one more person believes Ennis deserve a chance to have a happy life after Jack is a good day.  Jack would want that too.

Thanks, JennyC!

So true, ain't it? That Jack wants that. There are so many times in Laramie Saga that I can feel the presence of Jack. He's always egging those boys on, too! Somehow I have the feeling that he gets to share in the sweet life that E & E are building. When we hear from those who have gone ahead of us, they speak through our own hearts and minds. So Ennis can't hear Jack's forgiveness until he can imagine it. And Ellery helps him hear Jack tell him that he had done the best he could, that there truly was ultimately nothing to forgive. And so many other times...

There's a much more literal way Jack was instrumental: It was his journal that got Ennis out of that little room and on the road to Laramie, to Ellery and his future.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 01, 2006, 02:42:18 pm
Hello PastorFred!  :)

Glad to see you here!
I remember you from the IMDB boards, glad to see you over here, discussing Ennis and Ellery with the rest of us!  It is quite the experience aint it?

You are not the only one who is obsessed with it, rest assured!  ;D
For people like us who believe that Ennis doesn't have to die alone in misery and anguish after Jack, Ellery is a good man, who doesnot replace Jack, but gives Ennis another chance at love and life as a gay man.

I am hooked!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 01, 2006, 02:43:04 pm
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on July 01, 2006, 09:22:13 am
SQUEE!!  Thanks for these Lucise!  I'm partial to #1 and 2, myself.  LOVE that image of HJ-Ellery in number 1.  Very Ellery IMO.

Monica

Hey Monica - yer welcome!  ;) 
I am partial to #1 too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 01, 2006, 02:47:56 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 01:49:09 pm
So true, ain't it? That Jack wants that. There are so many times in Laramie Saga that I can feel the presence of Jack. He's always egging those boys on, too! Somehow I have the feeling that he gets to share in the sweet life that E & E are building. When we hear from those who have gone ahead of us, they speak through our own hearts and minds. So Ennis can't hear Jack's forgiveness until he can imagine it.          And Ellery helps him hear Jack tell him that he had done the best he could, that there truly was ultimately nothing to forgive. And so many other times...

Fred, I've been saying something a long these lines myself... but I like the way you've phrased it so much better!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 03:06:34 pm
I'm hoping that Louise will keep writing about Ennis and Ellery for a long time to come, bringing them right into the present...

So... here's something from the crazy idea department:

If Ellery's career in the Laramie County Sheriff's department moves into the late 90's, I'm very confident that he will be instrumental in solving the homicide of Matthew Shepard. Even if he has moved on, I can imagine his being called back to work on that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 03:09:38 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 01:49:09 pm

There's a much more literal way Jack was instrumental: It was his journal that got Ennis out of that little room and on the road to Laramie, to Ellery and his future.

Fred,

This is such a good, and very insightful, comment. I hadn't thought of it this way, but it is so verry true. It is like the physical manifestation of Jack giving Ennis the go ahead, not just the ideas and thoughts of Jack in Ennis's head.

I started re-reading the first book this morning so the journal stuff is all fresh in my mind. This really is a very true observation.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2006, 03:15:43 pm
Ow wow, Pastor fred, neatfreak, I need to print out and paste your messages over my monitor to remind me that I am writing this saga for YOU FOLKS, the ones who cannot deny and who need to accept the fact of Jack's death, and then what?  I am older than Ennis AND Ellery, sometimes I limp a little with arthritis in my left knee, and I left a relationship behind in the last millenium and feel qualified to state, life goes on people... and finding a new love and a new life does not negate the depth or beauty of the one that began the journey.

In any case, here I am again, typing madly at the internet cafe once more, and yes, this is the last night I am enduring this, at noon tomorrow my seminar ends and it's back to the big computer and my MS Word.

I am in the middle of writing chapter 50 now and hope to get done before this cafe closes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 03:18:22 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 01, 2006, 03:06:34 pm

If Ellery's career in the Laramie County Sheriff's department moves into the late 90's, I'm very confident that he will be instrumental in solving the homicide of Matthew Shepard. Even if he has moved on, I can imagine his being called back to work on that.

A little fact I have come across...and it is an inconsistency in different places in the story--the city of Laramie is in Albany Country, WY. There is a Laramie County, in the southwest corner, and the biggest city in that county is Cheyenne.

Technically, I think, Ellery would work for the Albany Country Sheriff's Department. I know we have said different things, and have shown the badge of the Laramie Police Dept. on this thread, but sheriffs are at the county level, not city, right? At least, that's the way it works here in Maine. And the Albany County website would seem to indicate the same thing (although that has a different sherriff (James Pond) than the one David found the picture of the other day).

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 03:20:22 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 01, 2006, 03:15:43 pm
In any case, here I am again, typing madly at the internet cafe once more, and yes, this is the last night I am enduring this, at noon tomorrow my seminar ends and it's back to the big computer and my MS Word.

I am in the middle of writing chapter 50 now and hope to get done before this cafe closes.

Well, then,  stop chatting with us, sweetie, and type! LOL

Seriously, I have had lousy internet all day and it has been driving me crazy. I seriously thought of going into my office so I could get my Chez Tremblay fix.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2006, 03:31:50 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 03:18:22 pm
A little fact I have come across...and it is an inconsistency in different places in the story--the city of Laramie is in Albany Country, WY. There is a Laramie County, in the southwest corner, and the biggest city in that county is Cheyenne.

Technically, I think, Ellery would work for the Albany Country Sheriff's Department. I know we have said different things, and have shown the badge of the Laramie Police Dept. on this thread, but sheriffs are at the county level, not city, right? At least, that's the way it works here in Maine. And the Albany County website would seem to indicate the same thing (although that has a different sherriff (James Pond) than the one David found the picture of the other day).

L

yes I learned all of this to my dismay halfway through "Taking Chances" and changed some of the terminology.  The changeover to the actual "Albany County" sheriff 's department will have to wait till after I finish the chapter 50 sex scene and I do the second edit, which takes second priority to typity typing.  I have half an hour.  Almost done.

Anyone who is on, once I get done and post I will drop by the chatforum again, no one showed before, maybe since it is later in the day I can catch one or more of you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 03:37:30 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 01, 2006, 07:06:09 am
G'morning Fred!

   I hear ya.  I was reluctant to think of Ennis with another man at first.  But Leslie (Mainewriter) convinced me to try reading a few chapters.   Now I'm hooked!
   

This is such an interesting comment. I have had a lot of people who read my story and I know they liked it a lot. And they were sad when it ended. And many of those people got in touch (email, pm, etc) and said, I really want something to read, what should I read next? The Laramie Saga was my only suggestion. It meets my criteria of being very well written, having a good and believeable storyline, and (as we all know) a very compelling relationship between Ennis and Ellery.

Lots of people (as David attests) object..."Oh no, I can't read anything about Ennis with anyone other than Jack..." I have found I have to suggest it more than once to get them to come around. I have two people I am working on now. One (Front Ranger) is a regular on Chez Tremblay. The other (Lisa--David, you met her) hasn't gotten there yet but she is getting closer. Many are enticed to give it a try because of the promise of hot sex and then something else happens in the midst of those 200+ chapters.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2006, 03:41:29 pm
Ok gang.  From your loyal author.

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/63589.html "Chapter 50: Unexpected Visitor"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2006, 03:42:05 pm
And YES!  I have about half an hour and will hang out in Chat Campfire for a bit!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 01, 2006, 04:22:45 pm
How do I chat? Never done it before.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2006, 04:27:19 pm
you click on the chat lips on the main menu.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 01, 2006, 04:52:35 pm
Shoot. Now that I've found it at the top of the page, you're offline. I'll be ready next time!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 06:01:14 pm
For absolutely no reason at all, except to give people a Saturday afternoon laugh, I offer the following.

Telephone conversation between Heath Ledger and Joe Albierti, his agent. (Disclaimer: I really don't know the name of Heath's agent.)

-----------------------------------

“Hullo?” said Heath, answering the phone on its third ring.

“Hey, Heath, it’s Joe,” came the booming voice of his agent. “How’s it hanging?”

Heath winced. Ever since Brokeback Mountain, certain expressions just didn’t seem funny anymore. “I’m fine, Joe,” said Heath. “How about you?”

“Fine, fine, fine. Now, listen Heath, I have a project I want to talk to you about. You want to chat now or get together in person?”

“Chat now is fine,” said Heath. “I’m not in the middle of anything.” Actually, he’d been thinking about going to the market to buy some vegetables and pasta for a primavera, but that could wait.

“All right,” said Joe. “So, you know how Brokeback made such a buzz, blew everyone’s socks off and people have been talking sequel for months now.”

“I know,” said Heath, “but how can there be a sequel? Jack is dead. No way to bring him back to life, now, is there? This isn’t the TV show Dallas.”

Joe laughed at that. “You’re absolutely right,” he said, “but there is the possibility of picking up the story where it ends…or maybe a few years later.”

“And…” said Heath, leaving the thought unfinished.

“Well,” said Joe, “we’ve had a bunch of interns working in the office, scouring the Internet for possible stories.”

“Scouring the Internet?” said Heath, not clearly following Joe’s train of thought.

“Yeah,” replied Joe. “There are lots of Brokeback fans out there, writing stories that pick up on the original. Some change the ending, some having Jack surviving.”

“Oh,” said Heath. “You mean fanfic. You guys are looking at fanfic for a possible sequel to Brokeback?”

“You know about fanfic?” said Joe.

“I’ve heard about it, yeah,” responded Heath.

“So, yes, we’re looking at fanfic as a possible source of a story. Now, most of what we have found won’t work, but we’ve come across this one story that would. And we’re thinking of optioning it for a movie.”

“So what’s the premise?” asked Heath.

“It picks up in 1984, two years after Jack’s death. Ennis has been basically alone, spending some time with Junior. Y’know, poor as shit, nothing much has changed. Then he does some reading, this and that, ends up in a gay bar in Laramie.”

“And…?” said Heath, urging Joe to continue.

“He meets a guy, eventually they get together, have a relationship. The guy’s name is Ellery.”

“Doesn’t sound like much of a story, Joe. Not enough to carry a whole movie.”

“Well, that’s the core of it for Ennis. There’s lots of other stuff going on. The guy, Ellery, is  a cop and gets involved in trying to find out what happened to Jack, if he was murdered. And he owns the gay bar, too, so there’s that whole angle of the story. As a matter of fact,” he said, pausing, “there’s way too much story for a movie. We’d have to cut some of it down. Right now the author is on her third book, it is turning into an epic.”

“Wow,” said Heath. “Sounds interesting.” He paused for a minute. “You said it takes place after the story, right? So I’d be old Ennis.”

“Yes, you’d be 41, 42. He has a birthday in the story, actually.”

“I didn’t like old Ennis,” said Heath. “I didn’t like all that latex shit they put on my face, and making my hair look like straw.”

Joe laughed. “Well, we could work it out to make you look younger, probably. Ennis falls really hard for this guy Ellery. He’d be really happy, that would take some of the age out of his face. Oh, and about the hair…your curls would be back. Ellery likes Ennis’s curls.”

Heath paused for a minute, letting it all sink in, then he asked, “Would Jake be back?”

“He might—for a small part. There are a few flashback scenes that might get included.”

“What about Ellery? Any thought of who’d play his character?”

“Yes, as a matter of fact,” said Joe, “there’s talk about Hugh Jackman. Know him?”

“I’ve met him a few times,” said Heath. “Seems like a nice guy. Never worked with him, though.” He paused. “How did Jackman’s name come up?”

Joe took a breath. “Actually, in addition to the story on the Internet, there’s this—I guess you’d call it a fan club—and they have been busy casting the production. Jackman seems like a good choice. He’s got the right look. Ellery’s tall, very thin, grey eyes, black hair…”

They were both silent for a minute, then Joe continued. “Now, one thing I have to tell you, Heath…there’s more sex in this story than there was in Brokeback. In other words, you need to get used to the idea of more than 90 seconds in a tent and one hot reunion kiss.”

Heath laughed softly. “And where did this come from?”

“Audience feedback. They wanted more and since this story has a happy ending, we can give them more.”

“Is there sex in the story? The one on the Internet, I mean?” said Heath.

“Ohhhh yes,” said Joe. “Lots. Rather explicit, as a matter of fact. We’d need to tone it down for the movie.”

“Rather explicit?” said Heath. “That sounds more like slash, not fanfic.”

“Oh,” said Joe. “You know the difference?”

Heath sounded exasperated. “I haven’t been living under a rock, you know. Yes, I know the difference. I also know what RPS is, too, and yes, I’ve read a few of the stories.”

Joe laughed. “Maybe we should let you do the scouring, forget the interns.” Heath chuckled along with this comment. “So, Heath, still interested?”

“Maybe. I’d like to read the story. Send me an email with the link and I’ll get started on it tonight.”

“Okay,” said Joe, “will do. But let me warn you, you might not want to start reading until you have about three days of your life to devote to this. It is rather addicting.”

Heath laughed. “Thanks for the warning. Send me the link. And send me the link to the fan club, too. Maybe I’ll drop in for a visit.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 01, 2006, 08:21:52 pm
Leslie,

What can I say, Bravo!   :laugh: :laugh:

Got to run now, but I am glad that I read the telephone conversation before I leave.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 01, 2006, 08:55:23 pm
WooHoo...Heath will be visiting our E&E thread, thanks to Leslie!  ;D
I hope he checks out the props gallery, and I hope he takes particular note of the huge jar of vaseline!  :P ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 01, 2006, 10:41:55 pm
OMG!    :o    If they ever did make this into a screenplay, they'd have to really tone down the sex scenes!    I'd imagine that all we'd see is Heath/Ennis grin and tell Ellery that Mr.Coyote is hungry then we'd see them walk into the bedroom and thats it!   LOL.     I suppose they be able to show the lovey dovey romance scenes and some post sex cuddling, but none of the hot and spicey stuff we've read so far!

I think Heath would freak out if he read half the stuff!       But I think they could make a sequal involving the search for Jacks killer.   Plus Ennis's trip to see Jacks Mom and the trek back up to spread the ashes. 

Who would we need from the original cast?

Heath as Ennis of course.

Jake for the flashback scenes of Jacks trip to Austin, Texas.

Roberta Maxwell as Jacks Mom.

Kate Mara as Alma Junior.

Michelle Williams-Ledger as Alma.

Hugh Jackman as Ellery

Paul Sorvino as Sheriff Wes ?

Kathy Bates as Edna ?

_________  as Carol.

_________  as Bill

_________  as Dupree.

_________  as Wayne.

_________  as Gene.

_________  Lang.

_________  Chris.

_________  Lauren.

_________ Toomey

_________  Worrell (the Killer)


Ok, lets see which actors we can get to fill the parts!


Well, some characters might need to get dropped if their storyline gets cut from the movie.   



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 02, 2006, 12:30:04 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 01, 2006, 03:18:22 pm
A little fact I have come across...and it is an inconsistency in different places in the story--the city of Laramie is in Albany Country, WY. There is a Laramie County, in the southwest corner, and the biggest city in that county is Cheyenne.

Technically, I think, Ellery would work for the Albany Country Sheriff's Department. I know we have said different things, and have shown the badge of the Laramie Police Dept. on this thread, but sheriffs are at the county level, not city, right? At least, that's the way it works here in Maine. And the Albany County website would seem to indicate the same thing (although that has a different sherriff (James Pond) than the one David found the picture of the other day).

L

WE have a county sheriff's office that also includes towns in its territory.  IT is simply called County wide law enforcement---and the towns involved put in a % of the Sherriff's budget---depending on population so not all towns participate, but any that want to pay a part of the county budget for law enforcement do not need to hire any town police then. We are rural SD, and the biggest town involved is just over 1300 people.   But bigger cities that tend to have more problems--have separate city police and County sheriff and deputies, and they usually work together, and then the State Highway patrol includes everything in their jurisdiction.
So I think she can make it work either way if she needs a technical out situation. LOL
I like thinking of Ellery as County wide any way.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 07:07:42 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 01, 2006, 10:41:55 pm
OMG!    :o    If they ever did make this into a screenplay, they'd have to really tone down the sex scenes!    I'd imagine that all we'd see is Heath/Ennis grin and tell Ellery that Mr.Coyote is hungry then we'd see them walk into the bedroom and thats it!   LOL.     I suppose they be able to show the lovey dovey romance scenes and some post sex cuddling, but none of the hot and spicey stuff we've read so far!

I think Heath would freak out if he read half the stuff!       But I think they could make a sequal involving the search for Jacks killer.   Plus Ennis's trip to see Jacks Mom and the trek back up to spread the ashes. 

Who would we need from the original cast?

Heath as Ennis of course.

Jake for the flashback scenes of Jacks trip to Austin, Texas.



Although I do think the all the beginning interaction between Ennis and Ellery would be very important. Ennis's (awkward) pass at the hotel, then back to Ellery's house, they have a few drinks on the couch and Ellery tries a few kisses to which Ennis responds "full throttle"; into the bedroom and that's when the journal falls out of Ennis's pocket. Ellery has a good line in this scene, "This is more loving than I ever expected again." I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS SCENE! I think it is very important to the whole basis of their relationship and how it develops. I know there are some people (not on this thread) who have criticized Louise that they end up in bed together after knowing each other for 12 hours. Yes, in one context that may be fast but in another, I think when people fall hard and fast, it happens. Tell ya what, I had sex with my husband on our first date and look at us, happy as clams 28 years later.

Jake for the Austin flashback and what about the lariat at the river scene? Hmmmm?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 07:13:11 am
Do you guys realize that we have long since passed Jake Jake Jake! in popularity and we are quickly gaining on the 1000+ posts club? Write some pithy comments, willya?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 02, 2006, 07:35:44 am
Well, I don't know how pithy this is, but:

This whole story plays like a movie in my head already. And no director can compete with what's going on in there. My camera angles are probably not physically possible, most particularly in the love scenes. And replays! Over and over and over....SIGH. Then there are the sounds, the smells, the sensations. No, the book is always better than the movie, especially one written this well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2006, 07:48:53 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 07:07:42 am
I know there are some people (not on this thread) who have criticized Louise that they end up in bed together after knowing each other for 12 hours. Yes, in one context that may be fast but in another, I think when people fall hard and fast, it happens. Tell ya what, I had sex with my husband on our first date and look at us, happy as clams 28 years later.

Jake for the Austin flashback and what about the lariat at the river scene? Hmmmm?

L

I think it was actually more like hmmmm 24 hours that they knew each other, and they were together most of that time... I thought of Ennis as something of a loaded gun by the time Pete jumped him at the hotel, and there was no way he was going to respond to Pete...not emotionally anyway.

Oh yeah.  I'm back everyone.  Thank GOD!  I got out of there as quick as I could and kissed my broadband hello on my way in the door!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 07:51:38 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 02, 2006, 07:35:44 am
No, the book is always better than the movie, especially one written this well.

That is so true. I am hard pressed to think of a movie that was as good/better than the book. I did like "Adapatation" for "The Orchid Thief." In fact, I couldn't finish "The Orchid Thief." I thought it was boring.

In some ways, BBM is a little like Adaptation. The story is the basis, but the movie is very different. I know I have participated in many discussions about Movie!Ennis and Story!Ennis, Movie!Jack and Story!Jack.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 07:53:02 am
Quote from: louisev on July 02, 2006, 07:48:53 am

Oh yeah.  I'm back everyone.  Thank GOD!  I got out of there as quick as I could and kissed my broadband hello on my way in the door!

Glad to have you back, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2006, 07:57:49 am
I am in the Chat Room if anyone wants to stop by, I am just going to be kicking back, drinking spring water, chatting and finishing chapter 50 today!  for the rest of the day!!!

For anyone who wants to join the chat, click on the CHAT (with the red lips icon) on the main menu.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2006, 10:13:40 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/63820.html  "Chapter 51: Strangers"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 10:25:17 am
Yippee! My birthday present from Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2006, 10:33:29 am
I didnt put in the long foreplay though, that'll come later.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 02, 2006, 10:34:38 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 10:25:17 am
Yippee! My birthday present from Louise!


and what a lovely present for us all!

That was just delicious. "Yer just real handsome is all..." What a great statement!!!

LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 02, 2006, 11:10:30 am
Quote from: louisev on July 02, 2006, 10:33:29 am
I didnt put in the long foreplay though, that'll come later.

 ???  ???   Isn't that kind of an oxymoron?   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2006, 11:24:58 am
for Ennis it can be!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 02, 2006, 11:30:07 am
I'm re-reading the whole Laramie Saga to date, and I just have to mention a vivid memory that I've experienced in chapter 39: Brokeback. Ennis is on his way to Brokeback for the first time with the journal. He stops at a truck stop in Rawlins, where he showers, calls Ellery, and sleeps in the back of his truck. At exit 209 on Interstate 80 there is a large truck stop with showers and banks of pay phones. It's name is "Gay Johnson's," and I ain't jokin'. Here's a citation from the URL http://www.rockymountainroads.com/i-080h_wy.html (http://www.rockymountainroads.com/i-080h_wy.html)

"The next exit along westbound Interstate 80 is Exit 209, Johnson Road. Prior to the emergence of truck stop chains in Wyoming, the Johnson Road interchange was perhaps best known for "Gay Johnson's," a truck stop and automobile repair service. Today the facility is a Flying J."

I've stopped there at least a couple of times on my way across Wyoming.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 11:35:54 am
Quote from: louisev on July 02, 2006, 10:33:29 am
I didnt put in the long foreplay though, that'll come later.

I'm holding you to that, sweetie!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 12:15:01 pm
This is now the 7th most popular thread on the board. We've passed the 1000+ posts club as well as "What do we look like, anyway?" We have a long way to go to catch the next one on the list....the performance, which right now is over 1000.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 12:35:12 pm
We have a lively discussion going on Chez Tremblay about the Laramie Saga on the Ennis and Ellery thread. I am posting the links here to the story, mostly for convenience.

For those who may be reading this and are not familiar with the story, it is (at present) a trilogy. Louise, who lives in Germany, iis the author. Two stories are finished, the third is in progress. The first one is called "Taking Chances" and can be found here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/2743.html

The second one is "Looking for Answers" and can be found here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27985.html

And the third one (which is in progress) is called "A Second Chance" and can be found here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/50230.html

The premise: story starts in 1984, two years after Jack's death. Ennis has been doing some reading, research about queer life, trying to come to grips with Jack's death and who he is. In the process of reading, he sees an ad for a gay bar in Laramie, WY. The story starts when he walks into that bar...

Updated links to each chapter can be found in the Ennis and Ellery thread, which is where the discussion is occurring, too.

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 02, 2006, 01:22:29 pm
 ;DHappy birthday, Leslie! ;D

 I'll let Louise provide the fireworks, as she does so well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 02, 2006, 03:30:53 pm
OK!  Caught up to Chap 51 now!  Yea - Junior's in town!  Loved the comment to Ellery about him being handsome, how sweet.  I'm sorry she an Kurt are having such a hard go of it.

Hey, Ennis hasn't told her WHAT type of work he does on Saturday nights, has he?  HEE, that should be amusing.  What with him being worried about having alcohol on his breath when she arrived...  Wait til Alma hears he works in a bar.  Much less a gay bar!

M
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2006, 03:31:20 pm
muah. I take it from the replies in Livejournal that so far Junior's visit has had good reception, I am working on the next chapter as we speak.

And I am popping back into Chat! for anyone who wants to blab at me. I have missed the internet soooooo much!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 02, 2006, 03:51:43 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 12:15:01 pm
This is now the 7th most popular thread on the board. We've passed the 1000+ posts club as well as "What do we look like, anyway?" We have a long way to go to catch the next one on the list....the performance, which right now is over 1000.

L


Whoa!!   :o
I haven't been online much this weekend .. look what I see when I get back!
Do E & E rock or what?   :D
What I really do wish is that I had the Laramie Saga in a book, that I could add to the BBM short story & screenplay on my bedside table ...  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 02, 2006, 03:56:02 pm
Picturing the HJ Ellery (#3) leaning in the doorway, I can well understsand Junior's reaction. #3 did it for me - I've got my Ellery!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 02, 2006, 04:10:52 pm
Quote from: tamarack on July 02, 2006, 03:56:02 pm
Picturing the HJ Ellery (#3) leaning in the doorway, I can well understsand Junior's reaction. #3 did it for me - I've got my Ellery!  ;D

Woowee!
Seems like all of us, almost all (except dear Scudder, who is still faithful to the KC Ellery) have fallen for HJ Ellery!   ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2006, 04:31:56 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/64247.html  "Chapter 52:  Getting Acquainted"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 02, 2006, 06:19:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 02, 2006, 07:48:53 am
I thought of Ennis as something of a loaded gun by the time Pete jumped him at the hotel, and there was no way he was going to respond to Pete...not emotionally anyway.

I thought you had portrayed him as a loaded gun quite perfectly, and it didn't seem too fast to me, what with all of Ennis' pent up emotions, etc... we know all about full throttle Ennis...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2006, 06:42:32 pm
yes, that is part of the reason why the story is plotted that way.  He didnt want Bill, he shied away from Wayne and his nipples and tank top at the bar, and naked Pete grabbing his cock in the hotel sort of set him up for some free form sexual frustration that had no proper target.

And enter stage left.. hehehe
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 02, 2006, 07:31:04 pm
"We're gonna have tacos tonight darlin. I hope that's okay."       "Sure", Ellery replied...

Well, he's just having himself a real good old time teasing Ennis. What a sweetie.  :D

(Do I have to create a whole account to post comments on LiveJournal?)
                                       
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2006, 07:32:41 pm
no, you can post anonymous.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 02, 2006, 07:51:35 pm
I don't mind having my name there, it just looked like they were thinking I was going to be writing stories or something. Everyone signs up for the same account whether you are an author or not?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 02, 2006, 08:08:13 pm
I laughed and I cried,  but I laughed much more, and it was good for me to do so.  Ellery is a devil, "sure" to  Ennis' "darling." And when Alma Jr thought Ennis was "robbing the cradle",  BAM! no wonder Ennis laughed.  I sure did. So, I think Ellery #2 (KC) is the one Junior would think is so young! "robbing the cradle".  Great go, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 02, 2006, 08:13:10 pm
I am not completely caught up yet, yesterday, I was reading some more "Looking for answers" .... :)


 “Ya know what I’d really like ta do?”

“Whassat sweetheart?”

“Go campin. Don’t have ta be in the middle a nowhere, but somewhere quiet, with just the trees an the mountains an the birds an squirrels an stuff… where there ain’t no people around ta fuck everything up.”


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_9.jpg)

....

“Those legs go all the way to the top.”
And ..no wonder ... :o


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ3_bw.jpg)


When y'all get tired of the pix, please tell me and I'll stop ...  :P

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 08:19:36 pm
I ain't sick yet, Milli! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 02, 2006, 08:24:17 pm
I can't get tired of the pictures, Lucise, but how about one or two of Ellery #2 (KC)?  How you do it?  For me, it is a mystery, but they add greatly to the discussion.  Please, don't stop.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 02, 2006, 08:51:49 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 02, 2006, 08:24:17 pm
I can't get tired of the pictures, Lucise, but how about one or two of Ellery #2 (KC)?  How you do it?  For me, it is a mystery, but they add greatly to the discussion.  Please, don't stop.
I'll see what I can dig up Scudder!  I gotta find some KC pix to start.. ;)


Ok..back to Ellery #3:   :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ2_jns.jpg)


“He was lookin at yer ass.”

“Gotta look somewhere, sweetheart, an my ass is the nicest place besides that blue humminbird ta look.”

Ennis snorted.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 08:53:07 pm
Too muscular, I think...Ellery is skinny....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 02, 2006, 09:24:40 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 02, 2006, 08:53:07 pm
Too muscular, I think...Ellery is skinny....


Hehe ... I know, but that body is all-Hugh and I couldn't resist ...  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 02, 2006, 11:41:31 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 02, 2006, 08:24:17 pm
I can't get tired of the pictures, Lucise, but how about one or two of Ellery #2 (KC)?  How you do it?

Ok Scudder - Jes' for you!  ;)

Here is another Ellery-a-la-Carradine for ya (different from the first one ..)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_KC_Unif2.jpg)


And I think Mr Wild Bronc doesnt mind seeing him in uniform ...  :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_KC_3_bw.jpg)


(I know Ellery's hair looks short here - that's coz its in a ponytail... there!  ;D )
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 04:20:03 am
Quote from: tamarack on July 02, 2006, 07:51:35 pm
I don't mind having my name there, it just looked like they were thinking I was going to be writing stories or something. Everyone signs up for the same account whether you are an author or not?

yes, you do not need to post entries to be registered at Livejournal with a free account.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 04:21:29 am
Quote from: scudder on July 02, 2006, 08:08:13 pm
I laughed and I cried,  but I laughed much more, and it was good for me to do so.  Ellery is a devil, "sure" to  Ennis' "darling." And when Alma Jr thought Ennis was "robbing the cradle",  BAM! no wonder Ennis laughed.  I sure did. So, I think Ellery #2 (KC) is the one Junior would think is so young! "robbing the cradle".  Great go, Louise!

Poor Junior didn't get what she expected when she showed up at Ellery's door, that is for sure.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 04:48:05 am
Okay folks if any of you are around, I am going to be bad at work and go into chat.

Still waiting for the system to come up to correct an error but it isnt up yet so...

if anyone's awayke, click on the red lips to chat!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 06:53:10 am
Update time.

Update to "A Second Chance"  http://louisev.livejournal.com/64247.html  "Chapter 53:  Interruptions"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 03, 2006, 07:00:23 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 02, 2006, 11:41:31 pm
Ok Scudder - Jes' for you!  ;)

Here is another Ellery-a-la-Carradine for ya (different from the first one ..)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_KC_Unif2.jpg)


And I think Mr Wild Bronc doesnt mind seeing him in uniform ...  :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_KC_3_bw.jpg)


(I know Ellery's hair looks short here - that's coz its in a ponytail... there!  ;D )

Many thanks, Lucise.  That to my mind is what I think Ellery looks like, and he has a pony tail too.  I see where Junior would think Ennis is robbing the cradle!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 03, 2006, 08:23:51 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 02, 2006, 08:13:10 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_9.jpg)
When y'all get tired of the pix, please tell me and I'll stop ...  :P

   Love this one!     YEE HAA!       ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 09:45:40 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 03, 2006, 08:23:51 am

   Love this one!     YEE HAA!       ;D

the caption on that should read "Where you puttin yer hand boy?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 10:22:26 am
Okay, I am over at Campfire Chat for the next hour or so if anyone wants to drop by...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 10:49:03 am
Update time:

Update to A Second Chance:

 http://louisev.livejournal.com/64757.html  "Chapter 54:  Dropping By"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 11:03:42 am
Two chapters in one morning, thank God Louise is back at work! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 11:06:30 am
hey! I'm online, at least, I am for the next half hour

*waving wildly*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 11:11:18 am
I'd come chat but I am really forcing myself to do real work for the next 45 minutes...sigh. Why does life have to interfere with all the fun BBM stuff?

PS...great chapter, Louise. "Picked her out of a cabbage patch," still chuckling over that one.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 11:15:53 am
awwww... work, huh?

Well I will be leaving to go to the grocery store then making some spaghetti bolognese for myself and having a real salad as opposed to eating rice cakes and cheese and pressed turkey, and in about an hour and a half I'll be idling in chat once more and picking away at the "Saturday Night" chapter!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 03, 2006, 12:43:48 pm
Louise:

I have not had a chance to read the last two installments, so the following questions are based up to chapter 52.

If I might? which chapter or part of the story are you most pleased with?

What has been the most difficult theme to write?

You do such a great job of mixing up the characters, introducing a topic and seeing it thru to a natural conclusion.  Then adding something in the mix. to scramble it up and keep it going.  I think what I am saying is that the story and characters you have portrayed have depth.

For me, I have gotten the most enjoyment out of the time Ennis and Ellery have
Spent with family.  Although there are some really touching individual moments.
Ennis and Nellie, Ennis and Edna.  Wes and Ellery.  And always anything Ennis and Ellery are highlights.

As always // Great Job!

Gn411
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 12:54:46 pm
you mean just "A Second Chance" ?

In general, assuming we're talking about the entire series, I was most pleased with the scene with Alma, and the chapters on Brokeback in "Taking Chances", well... ok, the initial "making a pass" scene at the hotel, too.  Those three!

The most difficult has been writing the police/mystery/detective stuff, and part of my reasoning for resolving it in a dramatic rather than an investigative manner.  The story had to come back to Laramie somehow, and I couldn't see the normally laconic and "never shot anyone" Ellery having a shootout with his suspect somewhere in an Austin gay bar... too "Miami Vice" if you know what I mean, and way off the track of the impact of the murder on its principals.  I picked the brains of my lawyer friend to the maximum extent possible for what I did write of the investigation, background check, etc. , and the symmetry of Worrell turning berserk as soon as he knew someone was looking for him, and stalking Ellery in turn, seemed psychologically satisfying and gave me a chance to bring Ennis center stage to face Jack's killer, something that has helped him.  (iMHO)

And keeping originality in the sex chapters has of course... been an ongoing challenge!

And I am sitting here devourinig my dinner in front of an open chat window if anyone would like to join up.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 03:21:08 pm
We haven't had a prop in awhile. This should get everybody's mouth watering....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/2004-0005-TCCW-24.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 03:33:13 pm
No wonder Ellery wanted seconds!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Smoked20Tacos202_jpg.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Smoked20Tacos202_jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 03:41:05 pm
Update time:

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/64863.html  "Chapter 55:  The Other Man"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 03, 2006, 03:46:00 pm
“See you at the bar, Ennis,” he winked, a petulant pout on his lips, and he flounced out the door.

Hee - There's my boy!

You know, I don't really know why I'm so darn attached to Wayne, but with lines like this how can I not?!  CRAP -- Another chapter?!  You are a wonder, Lousie!

M

EDIT:  woops, make that :  OH Boy, Another Chapter??     ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 03:46:59 pm
I am making it up to everyone for the paucity of writing I did over the weekend.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 03, 2006, 04:02:42 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 03, 2006, 03:41:05 pm
Update time:

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/64863.html  "Chapter 55:  The Other Man"

OK now --  CHAP 55 SPOILERS to follow:

Ellery's showing a new side, huh?  I'm diggin the fact that it gets to fall to Ellery to explain the way things are to Junior.  Makes all sorts of sense given Ellery and Ennis, and I think it's probably a lot easier for Junior to hear coming from someone other than Ennis.  But Ellery schemed Ennis into working at the bar in order to get more comfortable with queers?  Am I so incredibly shallow I didn't see that one for what it was?  Hrumph.  Score another point for Ellery.

And the chasing miniskirts comment? -- made me LOL.  Glad Junior was able to take that one in stride.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 03, 2006, 04:29:23 pm
Warning! Spoilers of Chapter 55.

I think it was a good idea to have Ellery explain things to Alma Jr.    Ennis (like any parent) would be embarassed t otalk about that stuff with his daughter.     

I am shocked that he kissed Ellery in front of her before going to work!     Ennis doesn't even want Ellery to call him "sweetheart" at the bar in front of the guys!  LOL

But I'm glad he did.   If he wants to maintain a relationship with her she needs to accept him the way he is now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 04:37:02 pm
he WAS holding his breath!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 05:13:31 pm
Hollywood, according to Ellery:

Queer:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/monti1.jpg)

Queer:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Flynn20Errol20Adventures20of20Robin.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Flynn20Errol20Adventures20of20Robin.jpg)

Not queer:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/John20Wayne20photo.jpg)

Questions, anyone?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 03, 2006, 05:21:35 pm
I can imagine Ennis being shocked that Rock Hudson turned out to be gay!

He played so many masculine rolls in movies and TV.
(http://www.mcmillanandwifedvd.com/images/index_10.jpg)
(http://www.mcmillanandwifedvd.com/images/index_16.jpg)
(http://www.mcmillanandwifedvd.com/images/index_23.jpg)
(http://www.mcmillanandwifedvd.com/images/index_30.jpg)

Kind of ironic he played the Police Commisioner in San Fransisco isn't it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 05:23:09 pm
hey david, pastor fred and deedee and I and a couple of others are in the chat forum!  Come visit!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 03, 2006, 05:36:19 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 05:13:31 pm
Hollywood, according to Ellery:

Queer:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/monti1.jpg)


Hey, doesn't Ennis/Heath wear a shirt like that in the movie?

And, don't laugh at me for not knowing, but who is that handsome man anyway?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 05:47:15 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 03, 2006, 05:36:19 pm
Hey, doesn't Ennis/Heath wear a shirt like that in the movie?

And, don't laugh at me for not knowing, but who is that handsome man anyway?



That is Montgomery Clift, looking like a cowboy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 03, 2006, 05:48:10 pm
that's Montgomery Clift.  Errr all explained in chapter 55.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 03, 2006, 06:17:13 pm
Louise, not many psychiatrists, psychologists, whatever, could have handled this situation as well as Ellery.  He is comfortable in his skin, and it shows.  I am about five steps (maybe only two) ahead of Ennis, but I'm not sure I would have had the guts to kiss Ellery on the way out. Ennis is sure lucky he got Ellery!   Do you have an advanced degree in Interpersonal Relationships, Louise?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 08:44:00 pm
After Ennis went to the Red Stallion, Alma and Ellery were talking. Eventually, she got back to his comment about Montgomery Clift and Errol Flynn. "I never knew they were queer," she said.

"Oh," said Ellery, "it is the sad secret of Hollywood that there are many queers who would never reveal themselves, for fear of career suicide. Let's play a little game. How many of these people do you recognize?"

[For thread readers, post the pictures with your guesses on the names. I think some are hard, some are easy, you tell me. Leslie]

Ellery said, "Let's start off with a guy you have probably seen in the movies...."

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Cold1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 08:45:47 pm
Alma, Jr. guessed that one easily. Others? Ellery's next choice:

(He picked this one because it had a few hints, like the nurse in a cap!)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/kildareshow05.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 08:47:11 pm
Oh, said Alma, I know him. That's.....

Okay, said Ellery, let's get a little trickier...


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tab_hunter1.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 08:49:26 pm
The game was getting harder. Ellery decided to throw a curveball. What about a woman?

"Women queers?" said Alma. "Yep," said Ellery. "They are called lesbians."

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/BarbaraStanwyck.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 08:53:32 pm
"Hmm," said Alma, "this game is getting harder, but it is still fun."

"Okay," said Ellery, "try this one. I'll give you a hint. He went to Leslie's high school, although he was quite a few years ahead of her and she never met him. Still, his picture was in the yearbook. His real name was Merle Johnson and that was the name he used as the character he played in Godfather II."

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/TroyDonahue.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 08:58:34 pm
"Last one," said Ellery. "This guy was both a movie actor and a singer...some thought he was a success, others had other ideas. He was murdered in 1976 and some think it might have been a hate crime. You know who this is?"

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/SalMineo.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 03, 2006, 09:03:11 pm
I am still busy reading, catching up ...
I am excited because by tomorrow, I'll be on the same page as y'all!  :D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 03, 2006, 09:13:53 pm
I don't know how to post the photos (and my son is asleep, so I can't ask him) but if it isn't too confusing without them...

Doris Day and Rock Hudson on the bed

Richard Chamberlin (Dr. Kildare)

Tab Hunter at the swimming pool?

Don't know the woman, or the Godfather II guy, or the man who was murdered (I want to say a really young Sal Mineo but I don't recall that he was murdered.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 09:18:25 pm
Quote from: tamarack on July 03, 2006, 09:13:53 pm
I don't know how to post the photos (and my son is asleep, so I can't ask him) but if it isn't too confusing without them...

Doris Day and Rock Hudson on the bed
Yup
Quote
Richard Chamberlin (Dr. Kildare)
Yup
Quote
Tab Hunter at the swimming pool?
Very good!

Quote
Don't know the woman, or the Godfather II guy, or the man who was murdered (I want to say a really young Sal Mineo but I don't recall that he was murdered.)

It is Sal Mineo, good for you! We still have two outstanding....Tamarack, you are too good at this game!

So, others, Merle Johnson and the woman....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 03, 2006, 09:34:42 pm
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/BarbaraStanwyck.jpg)
Barbara Stanwyck

Pssst! Leslie! The name's in the photobucket tag when you quote the image. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 09:39:41 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 03, 2006, 09:34:42 pm
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/BarbaraStanwyck.jpg)
Barbara Stanwyck

Pssst! Leslie! The name's in the photobucket tag when you quote the image. ;)

Psst! Well, I don't know how to change that but can we at least pretend we are playing the game? LOL!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 03, 2006, 09:57:09 pm
Yes, Yes!!    Barbara Stanwyck. I knew she looked familiar.

(Off to do the dishes, take a shower and read some more of Leslie's book...I can hear a lot of firecrackers going off around here...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 03, 2006, 10:13:23 pm
* Brief photo break ... ;) *

'Officer Darlin' would like Ennis to .. use his lariat and 'get fancy'? ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ5_bw.jpg)


( Off to read more of 'A Second Chance' ... What a sweet life! .. lol )
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 03, 2006, 11:22:10 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 08:44:00 pm

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Cold1.jpg)

Leslie - you have the best ideas.

I have no idea who this is!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 03, 2006, 11:23:47 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 08:45:47 pm

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/kildareshow05.jpg)


I know this one!  Richard Chamberlain!  I loved the Thorn Birds... novel more so than the movie, but regardless watched the whole saga.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 03, 2006, 11:27:07 pm
I didn't know any of the others... and I was so excited to play the game I failed to notice the names were showing up when I quoted the image.  Hah! Some would call me naive, but I just don't agree... ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 03, 2006, 11:29:00 pm
* Another photo break ... :)*


I just realised that we have not added Ellery's Back Brace to the Prop Gallery ...

(http://www.back2.co.uk/media/V-back-brace_175.jpg)

A very crucial prop, especially when Mr Coyote gets too carried away ...  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 04, 2006, 01:35:34 am
More for our Prop Gallery ... :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/BF2.jpg)    OR    (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/BF1.jpg)


More on our boys' diet ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/chili.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/biscuits.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/crCorn.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/brgers.jpg)

And when Edna obliges ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/friedCh.jpg)


Ok, its my bedtime!  L8r folks!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 04:18:39 am
you guys are just wild!

And I knew about the actors but I sure didn't know about Barbra Stanwyck. I knew she was "Miss Stanwyck" her whole life but I thought she just considered herself too good for all those guys!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 06:06:14 am
"You giving up on Merle Johnson?" said Ellery. "I know that one's tough. I'll give you another hint. In addition to being in the Godfather II, he was the young romantic lead, opposite Sandra Dee, in 'A Summer Place.' Know who it is?"

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Quiz3SummerPlace.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 06:09:03 am
"This poor kid had a sad story. He's the one on the right, in the striped shirt. He was a Disney regular, starred in 'Ol'Yeller,' and was a Mousketeer on the Mickey Mouse Club. In 1964 when his bosses found out he was gay," Ellery made a cutting motion across his throat, "he was given the axe. Know who it is?"

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/mmcbo-05.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 06:20:59 am
Although a hummingbird feeder you would buy in a store would look like this:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/brd_HumFeeder_Read_1.jpg)

I have a feeling that the one that Ennis made looked a bit more like this:


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tejas.jpg)

sans the map of Texas, of course!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 06:49:57 am
hell no... there wouldn't be no map a TEXAS on Ennis's humminbird feeder!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 04, 2006, 07:17:02 am
More on our boys' diet ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/chili.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/biscuits.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/crCorn.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/brgers.jpg)

This is the only part of the Laramie Saga that I consider to be purest fantasy: the boys can eat like this and still be skinny. Not in my world! :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 07:21:48 am
not only this but they are trying to PUT ON WEIGHT and not being successful.

Now, can you draw a connection between the hijinks in the bedroom and their painfully thin 32 inch waists?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 07:24:59 am
Quote from: louisev on July 04, 2006, 07:21:48 am
not only this but they are trying to PUT ON WEIGHT and not being successful.

Now, can you draw a connection between the hijinks in the bedroom and their painfully thin 32 inch waists?

Hmmm, I believe we've had the conversation that with these two, skinny is very very sexy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 04, 2006, 07:27:57 am
Quote
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Quiz3SummerPlace.jpg)

OMG!!   Merle Johnson is Troy Donahue?

If you only knew how many times I wrang it out over him after watching his early movies!

He is in one of my favorites.  "Parrish".  A movie  about the Connecticut Tobacco industy filmed in 1960.  Starring him with Claudet Colbert,  Karl Malden, Connie Stevens and Dean Jagger.    It was filmed in my home town and surrounding Connecticut landmarks.     My Mom was there with my older brother to watch them film some of the scenes.   I was not yet born yet....sigh...   Troys character was alot like Ennis.  Blonde, handsome, brooding and full of passionate anger! 

It pops up on the late movie or American Movie Classics sometimes.    The film was rereleased on VHS a few years back.   I don't think it is on DVD yet.

(http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/5/MPW-2945)
PARRISH Cast overview, first billed only:
Troy Donahue .... Parrish McLean
Claudette Colbert .... Ellen McLean
Karl Malden .... Judd Raike
Dean Jagger .... Sala Post
Connie Stevens .... Lucy
Diane McBain .... Alison Post
Sharon Hugueny .... Paige Raike
Dub Taylor .... Teet Howie
Hampton Fancher .... Edgar Raike
David Knapp .... Wiley Raike



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 07:35:45 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 04, 2006, 07:27:57 am
OMG!!   Merle Johnson is Troy Donahue?



Yup. And he really did go to my high school, but quite a few years before me. He went for two years but then switched out to go to a military academy and graduated from that.

They had the old yearbooks in the library and there are pictures of him on the track team.

Troy/Merle died a few years ago he but in the last years of his life, he was doing the dinner theater circuit. A HS friend of mine (Alan) saw him in a show and actually went backstage afterwards, with his HS yearbook, and got Troy/Merle to sign it! Troy/Merle was actually so flattered he took my friend Alan out for a drink. Very, very small world, huh?

And Alan said he was still really good looking....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 07:45:15 am
Quote from: louisev on July 04, 2006, 04:18:39 am
you guys are just wild!

And I knew about the actors but I sure didn't know about Barbra Stanwyck. I knew she was "Miss Stanwyck" her whole life but I thought she just considered herself too good for all those guys!

She actually was married, twice.

In one of those great convergences of the universe, how about this little trivia fact I just dug up:

Stanwyck's papers are in the American Heritage Center, University of Wyoming, P.O. Box 3924, Laramie, WY 82071.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 07:55:40 am
ow wow. wow.  Curiously enough Barbara Stanwyck is one of those actresses I always adored watching, no matter what!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 08:54:16 am
A Note From Your Author:

i uwas just reminded:  there are new readers joining up all the time.  Lucise is getting through Looking for Answers, LoveemBoys hasn't started LfA as yet, and you guys are spoilin the plot from here to France!

I think to be fair to new readers (there are a number of them) please mark major plot spoilers at the top of your posts when discussing the plot, and I will try to do the same!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 08:57:51 am
I'm IN THE CHAT NOW if anyone is around and wants to join.  3 p.m. CET.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 04, 2006, 11:35:02 am
Quote from: louisev on July 04, 2006, 08:54:16 am
A Note From Your Author:

i uwas just reminded:  there are new readers joining up all the time.  Lucise is getting through Looking for Answers, LoveemBoys hasn't started LfA as yet, and you guys are spoilin the plot from here to France!

Hehe .. I am finally in a Second Chance, Chapter 35 to be precise! :)

When it looks like a chapter that I havent read is being discussed, or I see the word 'spoiler', I just skip the post..hehe..
Has worked so far! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 04, 2006, 11:56:32 am
To all our American friends:


HAPPY   INDEPENDENCE DAY!!   :D

(http://www.cakesbynicole.com/images/us_flag.jpg)



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 12:11:50 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 04, 2006, 11:35:02 am
Hehe .. I am finally in a Second Chance, Chapter 35 to be precise! :)

When it looks like a chapter that I havent read is being discussed, or I see the word 'spoiler', I just skip the post..hehe..
Has worked so far! ;D

you are burning up chapters there, you only have about an hour of reading left!!!  hehehe.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 04, 2006, 12:16:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 04, 2006, 12:11:50 pm
you are burning up chapters there, you only have about an hour of reading left!!!  hehehe.

Part of me never wants to catch up because I know the agony that awaits while waiting for new chapters to be posted..lol ... I'd prob'ly have to resort to lying in a fetal position rocking back and forth like David did the other day...LOL..or pull all my hair out (and there aint much of it just now... ;D)
...I gotta take it slow.. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 04, 2006, 01:00:44 pm
How about Anthony Perkins(with long hair) as Ellery?

(http://www.queermusicheritage.com/JAN2001/Perkins1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 01:04:10 pm
He's got a great face and of course that beautifully narrow hairless chest... but he is incurably brown eyed and way too short!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 04, 2006, 01:11:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 04, 2006, 01:04:10 pm
He's got a great face and of course that beautifully narrow hairless chest... but he is incurably brown eyed and way too short!

Back to the drawing board! sigh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 01:24:45 pm
you don't like our bachelors 1 through 3 mm?

I like Tony Perkins... if he were taller.

I read and shared your very ncie tribute on Davecullen, but of course CityGirl came back with guns blazing.

We are in the chat forum if you want to introduce yourself, just click on the red lips from the main menu!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 04, 2006, 01:27:58 pm
My obsession with Hugh Jackman Ellery continues ... :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ7_bw_2.jpg)


I think Mr Coyote would dig the tight leather shorts, don't you?  :P 


Hehe ... I got inspired by this pic David posted a while back (as a suggestion for Ellery ...)
 http://static.flickr.com/48/127717586_799fcb2997.jpg  (http://static.flickr.com/48/127717586_799fcb2997.jpg)
A lil bit of paint magic here and there, and he is my dream Ellery!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 04, 2006, 01:32:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 04, 2006, 01:24:45 pm
you don't like our bachelors 1 through 3 mm?

I like Tony Perkins... if he were taller.

I read and shared your very ncie tribute on Davecullen, but of course CityGirl came back with guns blazing.

We are in the chat forum if you want to introduce yourself, just click on the red lips from the main menu!!!

Thanks Louise. My powder isn't dry just yet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 01:40:59 pm
it is about time we had a huge shootout in Laramie I think, instead of the constant digging innuendo.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 02:31:32 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/65216.html  "Chapter 56:  Trouble Brewing"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 02:55:15 pm
25 minutes since it has been posted...the old folks are still chewing on lobster...Leslie gets to commune with Ennis and Ellery....life is good....

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 03:18:55 pm
Gang,

Pastor Fred and I are in the Chat having a lively discussion about the unfolding plot of the Laramie Saga. You are welcome to join us!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 04, 2006, 03:33:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 04, 2006, 03:18:55 pm
Gang,

Pastor Fred and I are in the Chat having a lively discussion about the unfolding plot of the Laramie Saga. You are welcome to join us!

Would LOVE to, but I am at work now and I better stay away from the chat campfire!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 04, 2006, 03:40:41 pm
SPOILER!




        Louisev, love the part in the current chapter about Duprees muscled ass!    LOL.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 03:43:26 pm
muahahahaha.  I knew someone would like it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 04, 2006, 04:17:28 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

 http://louisev.livejournal.com/65482.html  "Chapter 57:  Spy"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 04, 2006, 05:51:59 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 04, 2006, 08:54:16 am
LoveemBoys hasn't started LfA as yet

??? Louise?  I confessed to being 3 chapters behind the other day, and now you think I haven't even started this volume?!  And after I gave you feedback on Chapter 55  (including a spoiler warning, I might add)  Huuuummm.  There ain't another LoveEmBoys round here, is there?

M
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 04, 2006, 05:58:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 03, 2006, 05:13:31 pm
Hollywood, according to Ellery:

Queer:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/monti1.jpg (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/monti1.jpg)

Queer:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Flynn20Errol20Adventures20of20Robin.jpg (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Flynn20Errol20Adventures20of20Robin.jpg)

Not queer:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/John20Wayne20photo.jpg (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/John20Wayne20photo.jpg)

Questions, anyone?


Leslie, you're cracking me up!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 07:08:27 pm
The lobster party is over and I have two chapters to savor. Yipee!!

I am still waiting for someone to identify the Disney kid. Anyone?

PM to Louise....you have set it up so my little scenario *could* work, y'know... LOL

Hugs everyone,
L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 04, 2006, 07:14:53 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 07:08:27 pm
The lobster party is over and I have two chapters to savor. Yipee!!

Err....Leslie, any leftovers from the lobsterfest?  ;D
Well, don't rush yerself, catch up on the 2 chapters first.. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 07:39:39 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 04, 2006, 07:14:53 pm
Err....Leslie, any leftovers from the lobsterfest?  ;D
Well, don't rush yerself, catch up on the 2 chapters first.. ;)


So, I am eating lobster today across the table from one of my son's counselor friends (my son is a camp counselor at a camp that is on an island in a lake in NH. He had a 24 hour day off and came home with 3 other counselor buddies...and I got to feed them all lobster). Anyway, this kid, named Brian, is very polite and as I am looking at him I notice he has GREY EYES. No kidding! Really grey! So I am looking at this kid and thinking about Ennis and Ellery (all I think about, lately). Brian confesses that he doesn't know how to eat a lobster but everyone at the table is coaching him through it. So he eats the little legs, the big claws, the little flipper parts and then we get to the tail and Brian says, "So what do I do now?" and Leslie says, "Oh, this part is easy. It is sort of sexual. Put your finger in there and push."

Which he did and the tail popped right out. And then he winked at me with those Ellery grey eyes.

Dining chez Leslie. Ain't nothing like it.

Maybe I need a new hobby. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 04, 2006, 07:59:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 07:08:27 pm

I am still waiting for someone to identify the Disney kid. Anyone?

/quote]

I was going to say Tim Considine but I guess that looks more like Tim standing behind him. (I'm thinking "Spin and Marty" here - anyone remember that series on Mickey Mouse Club? It had horses in it so I never missed it!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 04, 2006, 08:03:27 pm
Leslie, you didn't grab your camera and have the boys all pose for a group pic?    Then you could have zoomed in on his eyes for us!    LOL

I know exactly what you mean though.   I had a customer come in to my previous job that had me stunned.   He was 25 yrs old, blonde, built and he had the brightest blue eyes that I have ever seen!   I've never ever seen any that bright blue since either.    I couldn't take my eyes off of him, became tongue tied and had to leave the room!      ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 04, 2006, 08:25:10 pm
"Hey buttercup,  wanna dance?"

(http://static.flickr.com/37/125131268_c3bd9f9472.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 04, 2006, 08:29:03 pm
More pics from the Stallion
Left to right:  Rudy,  Leon, Lang"

(http://static.flickr.com/53/130985177_bf4eeb8b26.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 09:11:31 pm
The lobster event....I'll give you the lobster event. Unfortunately, I do not have any close ups of the grey eyes, but I swear, they were grey...

In the meantime, this is my son and daughter, coming back from a little swim in the river....counselor friends in the background.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/4thofJuly200629.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 09:14:57 pm
This is the whole crew, getting ready to cook the lobsters. The kid with the grey eyes is the one wearing the hat. (Click on the picture for a bigger view)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_4thofJuly20064.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/4thofJuly20064.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 09:20:53 pm
Another pic...we had sort of a generational gap at this party, with old folks (my parents and their friends) and young folks. One of the old guys (a nice man, let's say 84 years young) looked at this kid and said, "Isn't he an Adonis?" I had to agee....(look to the right, it is my daughter on the left).   I am leaving this one big. Enjoy....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/4thofJuly20065.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 04, 2006, 10:29:14 pm
The Lobster event looked like it was a big success.  Did you serve coffee and Cherry cake afterwards?     :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 05, 2006, 12:02:23 am
Nice pictures Leslie!  Quite the Lobsterfest!  :)


Quote from: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 09:14:57 pm
This is the whole crew, getting ready to cook the lobsters. The kid with the grey eyes is the one wearing the hat. (Click on the picture for a bigger view)

And of course, the kid with the grey eyes has got to be the only one looking down at his lobster ...  ::) You could've gotten him to look up Leslie...  Look UP Brian!  ;D


Hehe ...guess what I cooked for supper tonight?  Yap, chili!  and guess who I was thinking about the entire time ... uh huh! ... ;)  *sigh*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 05, 2006, 12:05:45 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 04, 2006, 08:29:03 pm
More pics from the Stallion
Left to right:  Rudy,  Leon, Lang"

(http://static.flickr.com/53/130985177_bf4eeb8b26.jpg)

Leon and Lang are spot-on!  ;D  Just how I imagined 'em! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 04:23:15 am
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on July 04, 2006, 05:51:59 pm
??? Louise?  I confessed to being 3 chapters behind the other day, and now you think I haven't even started this volume?!  And after I gave you feedback on Chapter 55  (including a spoiler warning, I might add)  Huuuummm.  There ain't another LoveEmBoys round here, is there?

M

sorry sorry sorry... I thought it was you over on davecullen because of a similarity in avatars.  I didn't realize till long after that it was TwistsBitch who hadn't started LfA!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 04:26:41 am
I love the bar boys David!!!!!

Okay, back to work for a while today... sorry things have dropped off again but... we started a new project phase and... we're pushing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 05:24:36 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 04, 2006, 10:29:14 pm
The Lobster event looked like it was a big success.  Did you serve coffee and Cherry cake afterwards?     :)

No, strawberry shortcake. It is strawberry season here in Maine!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 05:38:50 am
Quote from: tamarack on July 04, 2006, 07:59:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 04, 2006, 07:08:27 pm

I am still waiting for someone to identify the Disney kid. Anyone?

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I was going to say Tim Considine but I guess that looks more like Tim standing behind him. (I'm thinking "Spin and Marty" here - anyone remember that series on Mickey Mouse Club? It had horses in it so I never missed it!)

I think you are right on both counts...Tim to the left and yes, a pic from Spin and Marty. I loved that too...remember the when one of them teaches the other how to catch snipes?

Since no one has guessed the other kid, I'll give the answer: Tommy Kirk. Star of Ol'Yeller and various other films, had a long term contract with Disney but was immediately released from it in 1964 when they found out he was gay. He was 23 at the time. More info at IMDb:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0456565/bio (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0456565/bio)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 07:25:43 am
Quote from: louisev on July 04, 2006, 01:24:45 pm
I read and shared your very ncie tribute on Davecullen, but of course CityGirl came back with guns blazing.


I swear, I wouldn't want to live in the world that CityGirl et al. live in, where people can only have one love in their lives and after that, are doomed to a life of misery and loneliness.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 07:42:20 am
I am reminded of an episode of Seinfeld where George Constanza says to Jerry, "There is more to that Newman than meets the eye," and Jerry replies "Oh no, there's less.  Much less."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 05, 2006, 07:51:39 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 05:38:50 am
Since no one has guessed the other kid, I'll give the answer: Tommy Kirk. Star of Ol'Yeller and various other films, had a long term contract with Disney but was immediately released from it in 1964 when they found out he was gay. He was 23 at the time. More info at IMDb:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0456565/bio (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0456565/bio)

Tommy Kirk?    

 Geeez!   I'll never be able to watch Swiss Family Robinson the same way again!

I always thought those two sons on the island were getting into more mischief than we saw!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 08:03:08 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 04, 2006, 01:32:04 pm
Thanks Louise. My powder isn't dry just yet.

Magicmountain

Welcome to Bettermost, welcome to Ennis and Ellery-land. Glad to have you with us. I have followed your comments over on dc and they have a great deal of insight. I look forward to having you join our discussion.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 09:35:13 am
*While you were all watching fireworks and having cookouts*

Pastorfred and Daniel and I had a lovely afternoon (for me, evening) yesterday together.  We have managed to successfully seduce Daniel into reading "Taking Chances" and he dutifully got up to  Chapter 13 before realizing he would have to leave for work and we promised the story would be there for him to obsess about later.

For those of you reading for the first time or going back and reading, it was very interesting to see what vitally important detail Daniel picked up on the first bounce at the scenes in the Rose Hotel:

He said "Uh oh, Ennis left Jack's journal in the bathroom."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 05, 2006, 10:17:06 am
*****Spoiler*****




Too Cool about Jim,  Closed lined me Louise, Great twist!
Brava!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 05, 2006, 12:07:41 pm
Last night, I was reading Chapter 48 (A couple) - where Dupree comes over for dinner chez E&E ...
I had the TV on, and then I heard ... "Coming to theatres July 14th:  You, Me & Dupree", and I turned around so quick I was dizzy.  My immediate thought was ... "OMG!  A movie about Ennis, Ellery and Dupree!"  :laugh:

Louise, you have created a monster - as if most things werent already getting me to think BBM, now I am reminded of the Laramie Saga all the time ..lol.  I was on the bus this morning and this really cute blond guy came on with his tight white tank on, and all I could hear was Dupree's comment about 'blonds being more popular at the Stallion' ...  :laugh:

Thankfully, I am not the only obsessed one ... phew!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 12:11:33 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 05, 2006, 12:07:41 pm
Last night, I was reading Chapter 48 (A couple) - where Dupree comes over for dinner chez E&E ...
I had the TV on, and then I heard ... "Coming to theatres July 14th:  You, Me & Dupree", and I turned around so quick I was dizzy.  My immediate thought was ... "OMG!  A movie about Ennis, Ellery and Dupree!"  :laugh:

Thankfully, I am not the only obsessed one ... phew!  ;D

ok I'm spooked.  That and TwistBitch's "Project Beagle" have got me wondering where I get my ideas and names from.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 12:12:34 pm
Okay gang I am home, making spaghetti again and idling in chat if anyone is around to chat. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 12:30:10 pm
I really am here.  Really. I was just making spaghetti.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 01:57:20 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/65770.html  "Chapter 58:  Secrets"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 05, 2006, 02:10:50 pm
Thanks for the newest chapter Louisev!

I put my comments on the other page so as not to post Spoilers here.   

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 02:33:52 pm
awww I didnt want anyone to have to stifle discussion.

I guess we need to sort of deal with that somehow.  Since this thread is for discussion of the trilogy and people are at various places in it, how should we deal with spoilers? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 05, 2006, 02:42:10 pm
Hey, A couple of points on discussion, spoilers, etc...
1.  I think its fair to all to announce possible spoiler at the top of the text. Then skip a few lines and start your post.  If someone doesn't want to know they will move on. This is pretty much protical on most Soap sites. 
2. To Louise's credit, there is such a body of work, unless someone is just afew chapters behind, would someone acutally remember relevant details when read out of context of the story? 
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 02:43:39 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 05, 2006, 02:33:52 pm
awww I didnt want anyone to have to stifle discussion.

I guess we need to sort of deal with that somehow.  Since this thread is for discussion of the trilogy and people are at various places in it, how should we deal with spoilers? 

I think there is a bit of self-reflection that needs to occur for readers. For example, I read movie reviews before I see a movie and actually don't mind if I know some/lots/all about a movie before I see it. My husband, on the other hand, likes to see a movie "cold" without any advance information. So...we have the links over in the fanfiction section of Bettermost, with a note that discussion occurs here. If a person realizes this is a discussion, then that person should also realize there may be spoilers. I am not sure it is a "problem" we can solve, I think it is up to the individual to determine what to read here and how much.

That said, I think the question David raised over on LJ is a good one and one I would like to discuss.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 05, 2006, 03:20:09 pm
Where else are you guys going ?  Be specific?  Thanks
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 05, 2006, 03:20:29 pm
SPOILER!

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OK,  I'll repost my question from "Live Journal" here then.  :)

My oh my! That might have been a mistake for Ennis to let Dupree know that Ellery is the bottom/submissive in the bedroom. As a coworker and lower ranking officer it could diminish some respect on Duprees part. Ennis must sure like Dupree to tell him stuff like that.

As for Jim, I doubt he'll go to the Sheriffs office will he?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 03:22:25 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/66009.html  "Chapter 59:  Troubles"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 05, 2006, 03:22:51 pm
Quote from: gn411 on July 05, 2006, 03:20:09 pm
Where else are you guys going ?  Be specific?  Thanks

LJ= Live Journal.   That is where we are reading the current chapters.  You can post comments on the bottom of each page.    But now that we have agreed to put the word "SPOILER" on top of any posts relating to the most current chapter, we can share our thoughts here.  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 03:31:00 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 05, 2006, 03:20:29 pm
SPOILER!

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OK,  I'll repost my question from "Live Journal" here then.  :)

My oh my! That might have been a mistake for Ennis to let Dupree know that Ellery is the bottom/submissive in the bedroom. As a coworker and lower ranking officer it could diminish some respect on Duprees part. Ennis must sure like Dupree to tell him stuff like that.

As for Jim, I doubt he'll go to the Sheriffs office will he?

As for the second question, you'll have to wait to find out.

As for the first question, I think Ennis considered it rather public knowledge (particularly at the Red Stallion) that Gene had been Bill's lover, and Gene is a rather obvious femme submissive.  So he might not have thought he was giving anything away.  And he might not have considered the sexual politics aspect either.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 05, 2006, 03:39:26 pm
Thanks all for sharing.  my work computer blocks LJ.  So I have to go home to read the posted chapters.  Now as far as the spoiler that David shared.  OOOOh.  Now I know what to look for and have an opinion to go off of, or as it was noted, it was a spoiler. 


Again,  Thanks
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 05, 2006, 03:46:48 pm
SPOILER
Quote from: louisev on July 05, 2006, 03:31:00 pm
As for the second question, you'll have to wait to find out.

As for the first question, I think Ennis considered it rather public knowledge (particularly at the Red Stallion) that Gene had been Bill's lover, and Gene is a rather obvious femme submissive.  So he might not have thought he was giving anything away.  And he might not have considered the sexual politics aspect either.

Public knowledge perhaps.   But it still surprises me that Ennis didn't turn red faced and angry at the question.  I sure as hell don't discuss such things with my friends.   

I'd have figured Ennis to say something like, "Dupree, first of all its none of yer business. Secondly, there are all kinds of gay guys.  Some masculine and some feminine.  The top/bottom rolls are obvious in some, but not in others.  So drink your beer boy.  Your curiousity is appreciated but you make me worried that I'll find you in a lip lock with Gene Autry doing some research!"   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 03:52:44 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 05, 2006, 03:46:48 pm
SPOILER
Public knowledge perhaps.   But it still surprises me that Ennis didn't turn red faced and angry at the question.  I sure as hell don't discuss such things with my friends.   

I'd have figured Ennis to say something like, "Dupree, first of all its none of yer business. Secondly, there are all kinds of gay guys.  Some masculine and some feminine.  The top/bottom roles are obvious in some, but not in others.  So drink your beer boy.  Your curiousity is appreciated but you make me worried that I'll find you in a lip lock with Gene Autry doing some research!"   

I agree, David, especially since Ennis turns red-faced, and usually angry, at the slightest little mention of anything having to do with his relationship with Ellery, much less his sex life.

On the other hand, maybe he has a need to really talk about some of this stuff and the only person he has to talk with is Ellery. He knows Ellery trusts and likes Dupree and Ennis likes Dupree so the trust is there too? Still, Ennis is soooo private....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 05, 2006, 03:58:24 pm

SPOILER!



Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 05, 2006, 03:20:29 pm
My oh my! That might have been a mistake for Ennis to let Dupree know that Ellery is the bottom/submissive in the bedroom.

OH MY is RIGHT!.  I see I need to go read, IMMEDIATELY!   ;D 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 05, 2006, 04:09:24 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 03:52:44 pm
On the other hand, maybe he has a need to really talk about some of this stuff and the only person he has to talk with is Ellery. He knows Ellery trusts and likes Dupree and Ennis likes Dupree so the trust is there too? Still, Ennis is soooo private....

L

Well,  Ennis has had no friends really.   Jack was not just his lover, he was his only friend.   And even then they didn't tell eachother everything!   Ellery is his lover and friend too.  But a man (and woman) needs a close friend.   Because to be emotionally stable, I think we all need someone to talk to other than our partner/spouse.     

So this is a sign of emotional growth for Ennis to open up to Dupree.   Or perhaps Ennis's common sense is being clouded by Duprees good looks and nice ass?   

Still, most Straight men are "Alpha Males".  Meaning they never want to look less dominant than their peers.   And for Dupree to hear that his Boss is submissive is a bad thing.   Although it does open the door for all kinda of drama.   And maybe that was Louisev's idea?   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 04:34:45 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 05, 2006, 04:09:24 pm

Still, most Straight men are "Alpha Males".  Meaning they never want to look less dominant than their peers.   And for Dupree to hear that his Boss is submissive is a bad thing.   

Do you think Dupree reallly understands what that means? I am asking this seriously. Is this something that is common knowledge among men, in general, or knowledge that is learned as one becomes more familiar with sexual practices among homosexuals? I am thinking back to the old days on IMDb and the types of questions that were asked there...that led me to believe that the vast majority of people were clueless about these issues and I don't think it was just women who were doing the asking.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 05, 2006, 04:42:09 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 05, 2006, 04:09:24 pm
So this is a sign of emotional growth for Ennis to open up to Dupree.   Or perhaps Ennis's common sense is being clouded by Duprees good looks and nice ass?   ....

Still, most Straight men are "Alpha Males"...  

David and Leslie, I agree it surprised me that Ennis opened up to Dupree -- though the fact he did so in a round-a-bout manner was fabulous.  But I think Ennis IS comfortable with Dupree precisely because he's straight.  Ennis is probably still more comfortable with straight men than queers -- I think Ennis thinks of himself as one of those "Alpha Males", though maybe not in exactly the way you used the term David.  The fact that Durpree is not just open minded but actively trying to find out more about queers makes him a uniquely qualified confident for Ennis.

But I also think Ennis has enough of a read of Dupree to know that he wouldn't misuse that information against Ellery.  Certainly it is a risk, but that would be surprising given how their relationship has developed.

Louise -- will thou never rest?   Just when the plot lines seem to be converging, you just got to blow something wide open again, huh?  Kudos, ma'am, for keeping us spell bound!

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 05, 2006, 04:45:07 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 04:34:45 pm
Do you think Dupree reallly understands what that means?

L

Leslie, I certainly didn't know about the sexual politics of tops and bottoms before joining the BBM forums -- though my husband alluded to it when I broached the topic with him.  I was frankly surprised that Dupree asked the question in the first place.  But since he did, I presume he is aware of the political ramifications.

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 05, 2006, 04:51:01 pm
Leslie,   oh yeah!   Trust me!  Straight men are more pre-occupied with the concept of what goes on between two men than you'd think!     It is all about "who" is the man vs. the woman in the situation.      They love the jokes about "dropping the soap" in the shower and who gets to be a prison bride or "bitch" in jail.    I've seen it in my mechanics at work.  One will ask the other to pick up a dropped tool and pass it to them, and the other will refuse saying :"No way, then people will think I'm your bitch".  Then they all laugh.   

Straight guys get really confused when they meet masculine gay guys.  Because they don't know if he is dominant and a threat.    I had a kid working with me who was very homophobic.   He wears a swim suit in the shower at the gym even.   I asked him what his worst fear was.  He said that some guy would jump him.    I explained that not all gay guys even participate in anal sex and that those who do, 70%  want you to jump them!   not the other way around!    He was amazed and relieved.  I think he felt more at ease after that.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 05, 2006, 04:58:47 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 05, 2006, 04:51:01 pm
I explained that not all gay guys even participate in anal sex and that those who do, 70%  want you to jump them!   not the other way around!    He was amazed and relieved.  I think he felt more at ease after that.

LOL  Great response David!  It still staggers me the level of incomprehension there is about homosexuality -- I mean I know I was naieve not too long ago, but at least I was neutral about it.  Sad all the fear and hatred when there is no cause for it.

M
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 05, 2006, 05:01:59 pm
Interesting discussions all :)

I didnt get to that chapter yet...Gotta wait till I get home to read it.

I notice that Ennis is building a very comfortable relationship with Dupree and I have no doubt that the fact that Dupree identifies as a straight man is making it easier for Ennis.  Firstly because Dupree won't be trying to hit on him or his man, and secondly because Dupree is this masculine figure who is not at all like the fem boys Ennis loves to despise :)  I am just thrilled that Ennis has another friend aside from Ellery and Wes&Edna.  It gets tricky 'cause Ennis' lover is Dupree's boss ...


Edit to add:
I was typing this message and my boss came in and called me for a meeting, so I had to post what I had so far..lol!  

Anyway,  I agree that it may be abit out of character for Ennis to discuss his sex life with Dupree (especially since Ennis is usually very touchy about his private life).  On the other hand, maybe his relationship with Dupree is progressing to the level where he feels comfortable/confident enough in Dupree to know that he will be discrete with Ennis' confidences.   
Years ago, when I met my best friend, we'd only known each other for a week, and I felt so comfortable with her that I was telling her stuff I had never told anyone else before ... lol, I guess it just depends on the bond and trust that both parties have forged with each other.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 05, 2006, 05:44:00 pm
I love this discussion.

Someone commented a few chapters ago about "Ennis going out of character" when he told Junior about how it was "good for boys to have a queer bar to go to to meet up with each other" and Junior replying that it was disgusting.

I made a reply on my livejournal explaining what happens when Ennis goes and does something "unEnnislike", like confiding something about the dominance/submission relationship to Dupree.  First of all, Ennis automatically seems to trust straight men more.  Because he identifies with them.  He would not have fallen in love with Ellery if he were fem, and that made him okay for Ennis to imagine having a relationship with.  He is sitting in a bar where there is a whole gaggle of fem boys acting fem and this is constantly in his face and causes him to ruminate on the nature of his --- admittedly different --- relationship with Ellery, even though there is a marked top/bottom preference in their relationship as well. 

One of the things people find a godsend after reading/seeing BBM was having an outlet for communication of their own secrets once they confronted difficult things about themselves... their homosexuality, their isolation, a hidden relationship.  Ennis is walking step by step out of a very long closeted life, and having made some initial steps, he is urgently desperate for confidants, and he cannot trust these "fem boys" (part of his annoyance with them.)  The only suitable confidant aside from his lover (one man is not enough, he learned that with Jack - to serve as lover, friend, and confidant) is someone else who he respects as a man, someone straight, someone who isn't a caricature of homosexuality that cannot relate to him.  Someone with some intelligence, sensitivity, and more than anything, openness to learn more about what he himself is going through.  He knows Dupree is curious, but not in a maudlin or casual way, but in a true desire to know and to be able to relate to both Ennis and Ellery, his friends.

I hope that explains what I am digging for here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 05, 2006, 05:52:26 pm
Very well said Louise!  :)  I agree with your thinking there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 05, 2006, 05:56:47 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 05, 2006, 04:09:24 pm
 And for Dupree to hear that his Boss is submissive is a bad thing.  

Possible *SPOILERS* follow:

Since it's Dupree it may not be a problem at all. Ellery is not a submissive at the office at all. Wes dreams of Ellery's calling him, "sir," for goodness sake. If anyone tried to dominate Ellery in the context of work, Ellery would slap him down so hard that it'd be awhile before he could get back up. Ellery is a submissive at home because he's sick and tired of being so very dominant all day long in his job. Nobody but Ennis could ever know how much gentle nurturing Ellery needs.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 05, 2006, 06:18:12 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 05, 2006, 03:46:48 pm
SPOILER
Your curiousity is appreciated but you make me worried that I'll find you in a lip lock with Gene Autry doing some research!"   

Great line David! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 05, 2006, 06:49:23 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 05, 2006, 05:56:47 pm
Nobody but Ennis could ever know how much gentle nurturing Ellery needs.

LOL at myself

I thought I'd better add this corrective before somebody else catches the need for it:

Likewise, nobody but Ennis could ever know how much rough ridin' Ellery wants and needs, and that's as much a part of his way of being the "sub" as his need for tlc.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 05, 2006, 08:36:14 pm
SPOILERS!
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OK,  now where we?     Ennis is home napping while waiting for Ellery.   Junior is trying to sleep on the couch.  (I say trying as I know she can't sleep well in a strangers house, although now she may be able to with Ennis home)

Where the heck is Ellery?   Where is Jim?    Is Dupree behaving himself at the Stallion?
Why would Worrells Dad hire Jim and plant him in the Bar?     Who are the strange men in the stolen truck looking for Jim?       Will Junior split up with Kurt and move to Laramie?    Will Bobby Twist drive up and look for Ennis?     

Stay tuned BBM fans!   

Same BBM thread!

Same BBM Channel!



Damn I need some Cherry cake right now.    :-\

(http://mud.mm-a2.yimg.com/image/570638735)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 05, 2006, 08:43:47 pm
David!

What a synopsis!

I can't decide if I should 1) try to answer here; 2) call you on the phone to discuss; 3) just go to bed because I am exhausted...

3 is winning out, I thihk. I had a day off yesterday (day off! ha! I worked like a wild woman creating the lobster fest) and then I was up at the crack of dawn....

I need to go read my new book, "Erotic Writer's Market Guide," looks very interesting...

hugs all,

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 05, 2006, 08:52:54 pm
Sweet dreams Leslie!

       Try to dream about Quannah, Texas!!    <hint hint>    :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 05, 2006, 11:57:04 pm
I am finally all caught up ... hehe ...

SPOILERS
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Like another poster commented on LJ - will Alma Jr leave Curt and start dating Dupree?:)

I personally hope Alma and Curt can work it out, but if his mother insists on being an interfering cow .. lol, then she can move to Laramie, and continue her life.  She is only 20 years old, plenty of life ahead of her.

Heee...this is getting sooo interesting!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 12:14:52 am
Ok...  We need a pic of Justin Worrell... :)
We know that J. Worrell looks like Ennis, and this Italian actor Stefano Accorsi gives off some 'Heath-vibes':
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3047.msg52987#msg52987 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3047.msg52987#msg52987)

(Plus he is very conveniently  holding a gun in this pic ..lol)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/StefanoAccorsiH2.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/StefanoAccorsiH_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 04:14:09 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 06, 2006, 12:14:52 am
Ok...  We need a pic of Justin Worrell... :)
We know that J. Worrell looks like Ennis, and this Italian actor Stefano Accorsi gives off some 'Heath-vibes':
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3047.msg52987#msg52987 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3047.msg52987#msg52987)

(Plus he is very conveniently  holding a gun in this pic ..lol)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/StefanoAccorsiH2.jpg)



hey, can you morph that guy blond and clean shaven and see how Ennislike he becomes?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 06, 2006, 07:36:55 am
Clean shaven and with a Cowboy hat on. and in a dark bar...sure,  Jack woulda done a double take when he saw this guy.      He could be our Worrell.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 07:44:21 am
I am so bummed out.  Now you all get to be bummed out with me.  I am staring at a very oddly written specification for the "new" project phase and I can't make head nor tail of it.  Lucky me.  And I have to do THAT instead of tell you guys what is happening down at the station.

Work has to end sometime today.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 06, 2006, 08:02:21 am
Quote from: louisev on July 06, 2006, 07:44:21 am
I am so bummed out.  Now you all get to be bummed out with me.  I am staring at a very oddly written specification for the "new" project phase and I can't make head nor tail of it.  Lucky me.  And I have to do THAT instead of tell you guys what is happening down at the station.

Work has to end sometime today.

Believe it or not, there are people on this board who have been known to write fanfic over doing real work...not that we'd want to lead you astray or anything....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 06, 2006, 08:10:43 am
Holy moley!

This has nothing to do with Ennis and Ellery...but I was just sitting here, writing a little, ahem, fanfic and suddenly, who comes bounding across my backyard but Bambi! Bambi comes charging up the deck, slams into the wall...knocks himself down. Now, dazed and confused, Bambi is standing there on my deck, two feet away from me, separated only by an Anderson glass door. Then, silly Bambi wanders into the outdoor shower...hangs out there for a minute or two, then comes back out and looks at me! Through the glass door! So we stare at each other for about a minute, me wishing I had a camera. Bambi then looks at the back yard and you can see deer lightbulb going off over his head. Aha! Freedom! And with that, Bambi bolts away, back down the yard...I hope he finds his mother!

EDIT: I didn't have a camera, so this is not the Bambi in my backyard, but this is just what he looked like, complete with white spots. According to the website info, this deer is about 1 month old...my Bambi really is a baby!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/bdeer1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 08:18:40 am
hehehehehe an Ultimate Bambi encounter!

I cant get away with writing fan fic with a 2 week looming deadline... I wish I could... but I can't.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 06, 2006, 11:01:51 am
Lousie - what does that mean???  one chapter a day? everyother day...   :'(  let us poor souls know what to expect...

(Have a few deadlines myself - they suck, i am a total procrastinator!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 11:03:26 am
it means that at this particular moment I have no brains available.  It's 5 p.m. and I leave work in a half an hour, and I am looking forward to going home and cooking a nice piece of pork and getting a couple of chapters done.

I think it is reasonable right now to expect a couple of chapters a day during work weeks... because I haven't any time at work to write.

sorry folkeses.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 11:04:38 am
Hey! I'm in chat!  Come chat with me before work is over!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 06, 2006, 11:05:22 am
Enjoy your dinner Louise.

I think I can survive as long as there are no long draughts...(or is it droughts that I mean?)  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 06, 2006, 11:15:22 am
Quote from: louisev on July 06, 2006, 11:03:26 am


I think it is reasonable right now to expect a couple of chapters a day during work weeks... because I haven't any time at work to write.

sorry folkeses.

Please, Louise, no apologies!

You may be the most dedicated and prolific fanfic author in the history of bbm!

That's why we are so rernt. (That's western dialect for ruined, meaning that we are so spoiled we ain't never gonna be right. )
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 11:15:37 am
droughts.  No I don't anticipate any droughts.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 11:29:51 am
Quote from: pastorfred on July 06, 2006, 11:15:22 am
Please, Louise, no apologies!

You may be the most dedicated and prolific fanfic author in the history of bbm!

That's why we are so rernt. (That's western dialect for ruined, meaning that we are so spoiled we ain't never gonna be right. )

My own thoughts exactly!
Louise, we are spoiled now because you post chapters so many times a day!  ;)
You do what you gotta do, we can always go back to the very first chapter and start over again!
 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 06, 2006, 11:40:21 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 06, 2006, 11:29:51 am
we can always go back to the very first chapter and start over again!
 :-*

I'm doing that very thing as we speak.  :)

Now I'm about half way through Looking for Answers.

It's just as good the second time, too - I keep noticing new things.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 12:40:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 06, 2006, 04:14:09 am
hey, can you morph that guy blond and clean shaven and see how Ennislike he becomes?

Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 06, 2006, 07:36:55 am
Clean shaven and with a Cowboy hat on. and in a dark bar...sure,  Jack woulda done a double take when he saw this guy.      He could be our Worrell.

I'll see what how much damage I can do when I get home!  ;)
And this could be his dad ...  :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/judge01.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 01:02:29 pm
that judge looks WAY too honest.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 06, 2006, 01:02:46 pm
"Good evening Chief" said Carol as Ellery stormed into the office.

"Wes called three times lookin for you ya know" she said.

"I know Carol, and trust me, I'm not happy about being here either.  But the name Worrell keeps popping up like a thorn in my saddle."

Oops!  are we supposed to wait for Louisev??    He he he!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 01:07:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 06, 2006, 01:02:29 pm
that judge looks WAY too honest.
  :laugh:
Should he have an eye-patch and a hook?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 01:10:47 pm
Ode to Saturday Nights...


Ennis works Saturday Nights at the ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/redStalli.jpg)

with his friend Dupree, the Chief Deputy Sheriff's assistant ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/dpre.jpg)

At the bar, Ennis gets abit uneasy when he sees:

(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/mar2004/4/7/000628A7-5B2A-1059-8E4B80C328EC0000.jpg)

and gets really nervous if he sees something like...

(http://tinypic.com/jij6ll.jpg)

He is what you'd call a 'hardass' no-nonsense bouncer.
He goes livid when Lang calls him (buttercup)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/butterCup.jpg)

.. and he freaks out if there is action like

(http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/MDG/MDG219/911006.jpg)

happening in the Gents (especially if there is a monetary transaction involved).


At about 1 a.m., he goes home to ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ9_bw.jpg)

who is wearing cutoffs sitting dangerously low on his hips.

Ennis jumps into the shower for quick 5-minute rub-down and emerges ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ennShwr1.jpg)

more than ready to get riled and downright fancy!


Woowee!   ;D



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 06, 2006, 01:16:03 pm
Milli,

Great job!

Only one question, how do you manage to find, edit, and post those pictures when you are at work?  I believe you are at work, right?  You must have a few heads turned.  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 01:19:42 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 06, 2006, 01:16:03 pm
Milli,

Great job!

Only one question, how do you manage to find, edit, and post those pictures when you are at work?  I believe you are at work, right?  You must have a few heads turned.  :P


Sssshhhhh! lol ...
Errr..no, I sit quietly in my office, with my monitors facing away from the door!  :laugh:
I am having an early lunch break!  :P

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 01:25:11 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/66136.html  "Chapter 60:  The Right Honorable"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 01:26:42 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 06, 2006, 01:25:11 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/66136.html  "Chapter 60:  The Right Honorable"

That I have to leave till I am in the comfort of home! Yippie!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 06, 2006, 02:02:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 06, 2006, 01:25:11 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/66136.html  "Chapter 60:  The Right Honorable"

Worth the wait, Louise! Thanks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 06, 2006, 02:08:18 pm
Maybe someday Ennis and Ellery will take a trip....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Glen1.gif)


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/distillery_shot.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 06, 2006, 03:17:35 pm
Spoiler...






Hi Louise - well that was some adventurous goings on with Junior in the other room!!!!  Now lets starting taking care of some of those loose ends!  They're driving me crazy.  I can't imagine Ennis or Ellery sleeping well with all they've got to worry about, even if they did just have a forbidden interlude!  But then again, I am very much a Venus person, not a Mars person... (not to say I don't love reading about Mars people though.)  Babbling now, time to stop.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 06, 2006, 03:27:17 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 06, 2006, 01:10:47 pm
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ennShwr1.jpg (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ennShwr1.jpg)


Woowee!   ;D


WooWee indeed, Lucise!  Dang is that last one of Heath with towel a manip or real photo?  If its a manip - unbelievable job on that one!!  If it's real -- hot damn, where can I get more of that series??

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 03:31:58 pm

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/66367.html  "Chapter 61:  The Morning After"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 03:36:37 pm
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on July 06, 2006, 03:27:17 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ennShwr1.jpg)


WooWee indeed, Lucise!  Dang is that last one of Heath with towel a manip or real photo?  If its a manip - unbelievable job on that one!!  If it's real -- hot damn, where can I get more of that series??

Monica

Hey Monica!
No, it's not really Heath there ...  ;D
It's a result of my obsession with 'twisting' pictures to feed my obsession with the Laramie Saga!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 06, 2006, 03:46:42 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 06, 2006, 03:17:35 pm
Spoiler...






Hi Louise - well that was some adventurous goings on with Junior in the other room!!!! 

I actually took this as a very good sign from Ennis...more of the accepting himself process. Clearly Ellery was very willing to go along with what Ennis wanted. It was Ellery who made the "being celibate for the next two days" comment and did so without anger or resentment. I think he would have been perfectly happy to drink his drink, have a few kisses and go to sleep...but since Ennis had other ideas, he was even happier with that.

Ennis is definitely a full-throttle sort of guy, as we know, and I think it is good/nice/telling that he is putting his (and Ellery's) needs and desires ahead of some false sense of propriety for having Junior in the other room. He did realize they needed to keep the vocalizations to a dull roar but that still doesn't mean they can't do what they want to do.

Good for Ennis!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 03:56:19 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 06, 2006, 03:36:37 pm
Hey Monica!
No, it's not really Heath there ...  ;D
It's a result of my obsession with 'twisting' pictures to feed my obsession with the Laramie Saga!  ;D


you did such an incredible job, Lucise, I am amazed!!!!  great body selection.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 04:02:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 06, 2006, 03:56:19 pm
you did such an incredible job, Lucise, I am amazed!!!!  great body selection.

That body actually belongs to Justin Timberlake!  ;D
But I think Mr Coyote carries it damn well!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 06, 2006, 04:17:58 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 06, 2006, 03:17:35 pm
Spoiler...






Hi Louise - well that was some adventurous goings on with Junior in the other room!!!!  Now lets starting taking care of some of those loose ends!  They're driving me crazy.  I can't imagine Ennis or Ellery sleeping well with all they've got to worry about, even if they did just have a forbidden interlude!  But then again, I am very much a Venus person, not a Mars person... (not to say I don't love reading about Mars people though.)  Babbling now, time to stop.

ooooh I'm sorry...!  I figured a little domesticity was good!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 06, 2006, 05:26:03 pm
Ennis: "Whats a matter Junior?"

(http://static.flickr.com/1/183594257_bdbae6fa78_m.jpg)

Junior: "I can't wait to tell Momma that Ellery is HOT!"

(http://static.flickr.com/70/183594258_8834b24d4a_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 06, 2006, 09:03:02 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 06, 2006, 05:26:03 pm
Ennis: "Whats a matter Junior?"

Junior: "I can't wait to tell Momma that Ellery is HOT!"

David --- LOL!  I love all y'all photos, people.  It's always an adventure to check in here.

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on July 06, 2006, 10:07:12 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 06, 2006, 05:26:03 pm
Ennis: "Whats a matter Junior?"

(http://static.flickr.com/1/183594257_bdbae6fa78_m.jpg)

Junior: "I can't wait to tell Momma that Ellery is HOT!"

(http://static.flickr.com/70/183594258_8834b24d4a_m.jpg)



LMAO :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 06, 2006, 10:09:04 pm
Time for me to go read the 2 new chapters ...yippie!

But first ...

Judge Worrell sits baffled, thinking to himself, "WTF am I going to do with that spoiled brat Justin?"

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jdgWrll.jpg)

...
Justin thinks smugly to himself, " Hehehe, ma daddy's taking care of business, every day ... taking care of business, every way ..."


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jWorrll1.jpg)

 ;)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 06, 2006, 10:22:12 pm
a musical metaphor

We've been thinking about Ennis being dominant and Ellery being submissive. I suggest that every relationship is unique, and I propose a slight variation on that theme.

In musical composition, a major key has three primary major chords: the tonic (do), the subdominant (fa) and the dominant (sol). For the love song that is Ennis and Ellery's relationship, it seems to me that Ennis is dominant and Ellery is subdominant.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 04:09:33 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 06, 2006, 10:09:04 pm
Time for me to go read the 2 new chapters ...yippie!
...
Justin thinks smugly to himself, " Hehehe, ma daddy's taking care of business, every day ... taking care of business, every way ..."


 ;)


Holy hell Lucise, your photoshop skills are frightening!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 04:35:57 am
Do you know what I love so much about logging in to Bettermost and coming to this forum is the immense enthusiasm and pleasure you folks derive from reading the story.  It really warms my heart, and makes me very happy to resume writing after I get home from a day of cracking my head against the computer systems.  And today is FRIDAY! and I have the weekend all to myself in which to do nothing... quite a contrast from the hectic weekend I had last week.

And I promise nB that some of the loose ends will at least have a tug on them by the time Sunday night rolls around!!! how's that!  Keep those LJ comments, photoshops, discussions and chats coming!  I will be in the chat room, and it looks like someone has created a Fan Fiction room specially for us!!! yay!

And of course a special thank you to MaineWriter Leslie, with whom I might never have found this special and very friendly place, with all of you wonderfully friendly folks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 05:20:49 am
Thanks, Louise.

Now, after that last chapter, what I want to know is, what are the three of them going to do all day til the party. We KNOW what a breakfast of biscuits usually leads to on Sunday!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 06:01:53 am
well they are Junior's biscuits... and we don't get to know, I guess.

I don't know!  I can't think that far ahead! dangit.

The good news is that I met with the project leader on my new stuff and it really isnt hard at all!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 06:49:52 am
Christmas!

So, Ellery told Alma he was going to buy her a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0059.jpg)

for Christmas, although personally, I thought he was acting a bit like a trust fund boy with that comment!

Louise tells me the Ellery is wants to get Ennis a pair of palomino speedos!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/MTS2_86399_fanseelamb_speedos.jpg)

Huh, Louise? Why? We all know that Ennis prefers

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/do.jpg)

Besides, Ennis kinda liked the idea of the

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/conquist.jpg)

He thought they'd look kinda hot for his nights at the

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/redStalli.jpg)

For Ennis, Christmas shopping for Ellery is easy:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/bathrobes_m3.jpg)

Because God forbid if

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne1.jpg) or (http://static.flickr.com/70/183594258_8834b24d4a_m.jpg)

should get a glimpse of Ellery's !

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/btn_thighs.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 07:04:26 am
I'm dying here... this is too much    :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 07, 2006, 07:41:43 am
Quote
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/do.jpg)

OH MY!!!     Ellery skinny dipping?   Where is Ennis?

Oops, here he comes!

(http://static.flickr.com/11/90991217_134e70bfe0_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 08:00:05 am
oh good lord!!!

two words:

"no drawers"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 09:40:53 am
The more I look at this picture, the more I think that Ellery has got one good looking back and hip, huh?


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/do.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 09:44:24 am
who knew that "damn skinny" was going to become the new "damn sexy"?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 10:05:17 am
Quote from: louisev on July 07, 2006, 09:44:24 am
who knew that "damn skinny" was going to become the new "damn sexy"?

Something about the bandana around his neck is contributing to the damn sexy too, I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 07, 2006, 10:23:47 am
Leslie,  do you know the name of that skinny dippin Ellery? Maybe we can do a web search and find more pics of him?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 10:49:12 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 10:05:17 am
Something about the bandana around his neck is contributing to the damn sexy too, I think.


Bandana?  What bandana?  The reflection of the sun off his haunches obscures everything else for me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 07, 2006, 10:52:23 am
I know.  I didn't notice it was a bandana at first either.    I was just about ready to photoshop that red to be hair coloured!   LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 10:56:05 am
Quote from: louisev on July 07, 2006, 10:49:12 am

Bandana?  What bandana?  The reflection of the sun off his haunches obscures everything else for me!

When you can let your eyes drift upwards, you'll notice a bandana around his neck. Maybe Ellery has a rule that he never gets completely naked for swimming....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 10:59:13 am
Okay gang, I am in chat for a while before leaving work. I got the bulk of my work done today and I am already skipping and hopping and ready to think about ... mansex.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 11:15:10 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 07, 2006, 10:23:47 am
Leslie,  do you know the name of that skinny dippin Ellery? Maybe we can do a web search and find more pics of him?

Unfortunately, no. I think that is just some random good lookin' skinny dipper who has his picture floating around on the Internet.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 11:32:55 am
Woowee!  Love the pics guys!  ;D

Quote from: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 11:15:10 am
Unfortunately, no. I think that is just some random good lookin' skinny dipper who has his picture floating around on the Internet.

Dang! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 07, 2006, 11:45:56 am
Help!  Computer problems at home.  Cannot access LJ @ work.  Is there another place that Second Chances is posted?  I am already 2 chapters behind and I know Louise is going to post more soon.  Thanks for any help provided!

Bob
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 11:52:09 am
Quote from: louisev on July 07, 2006, 09:44:24 am
who knew that "damn skinny" was going to become the new "damn sexy"?
Damn sexy indeed!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 11:54:01 am
Hah hah - I missed the bandana too!

Sorry, Bob, LJ is the only place I know of it being posted.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 07, 2006, 11:57:27 am
Hey, Bob,

All the links I can find just go back to LJ, which is apparently blocked by your filter. Does anyone else have an idea?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 11:59:57 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 07, 2006, 11:57:27 am
Hey, Bob,

All the links I can find just go back to LJ, which is apparently blocked by your filter. Does anyone else have an idea?

Sadly, no idea.   :-\
The only other thing I thought of was fanfic.net, but I dont think Louise posts there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 12:00:10 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 07, 2006, 11:57:27 am
Hey, Bob,

All the links I can find just go back to LJ, which is apparently blocked by your filter. Does anyone else have an idea?

I emailed him chapters 60 and 61 as a word doc
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 12:26:44 pm
hahahah, nothing like reader services to dispatch emergency copies of the latest fic!

but you are right Bob, I am going to be writing some more soon.  The weekend has officially BEGUN!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 07, 2006, 12:37:19 pm
Want to publicly thank Leslie for helping me get my fix!  The term godsend does come to mind.  I can now face the rest of today in rainy Florida. 
Again, very much appreciate the help!
Bob
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 12:41:16 pm
Just in case you haven't seen it, the Ennis and Ellery thread discusses the Laramie Saga, which is at present three books (and ongoing).  Discussion (including cast photos, photoshops, and props!  can be found here:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.0

I expect to be completing the third book in this series, "A Second Chance" very shortly, and then launching the next book. 

Each one has a specific focus:

1) Taking Chances begins Ennis's adventure two years after the death of Jack Twist, when he sets out to find out what it means to be "queer", and stumbles upon a men's bar in Laramie, Wyoming, and unexpectedly into the arms of a man just as lonely as he is.

2) Looking for Answers:  Ennis moves to Laramie to start a new job and a new life with Ellery Cantrell in the summer of 1984, and Ellery uses his skills and position as a detective to hunt for Jack Twists's killer, with unexpected and dangerous results.

3) A Second Chance:  Ennis and Ellery pursue justice for the man who killed Jack, while their lives become complicated by the unexpected return of Ellery's college roommate who was his "first love" at the University of Wyoming.

4) Is forming up to address the themes of Ennis reconciling with his daughters, the widening outbreak of AIDS among the gay population and how it affects the denizens of the Red Stallion men's bar, and the trail of Jack's killer.   (Name to be announced)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 12:51:27 pm
Quote from: gn411 on July 07, 2006, 12:37:19 pm
Want to publicly thank Leslie for helping me get my fix!  The term godsend does come to mind.  I can now face the rest of today in rainy Florida. 
Again, very much appreciate the help!
Bob

My pleasure, Bob. Just call me...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/customer_service.jpg)

Now the question is, which one is me? And who are those other guys?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 12:54:15 pm
Louise,
I am ready for the ride!  :D
I have been having such a blast following the Laramie Saga, as y'all know..
frankly, I am more 'n a lil but obsessed  :P

DeeDee - Thank you for introducing me to the story!   :-*

Leslie - You brought Louise here to BT.. thank you!  :-*

Louise - Your talent continues to amaze me!  More grease to your elbows .. :-*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 12:56:13 pm
I just needed to get this back to the top. Indulge me, please? It's Friday, I'm bored and doing everything I can to avoid working.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/do.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 12:58:26 pm
I needed to see this one again, too....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 01:06:41 pm
ya know there is a whole lot of similarity between Hugh Jackman and Keith Carradine, and Jackman has a nicer nose.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 01:08:51 pm
Stats Department:

This thread is number 7 in most replies

number 10 in most viewed

We are closing in on 1000 posts (replies). A week ago, I wouldn't have believed it, but I think we have a chance to catch up with, and maybe pass, the performance thread.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 01:36:29 pm
egadorama!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 01:39:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 07, 2006, 01:36:29 pm
egadorama!

and it's pithy posts like those that will get us right up to 1000 in no time!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 01:43:25 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 01:39:58 pm
and it's pithy posts like those that will get us right up to 1000 in no time!

Posts like wha??

Oh ... like these!   :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 07, 2006, 01:44:30 pm
I went through a period of having problems with livejournal too.
I finally went and registered and set up a lj for myself, and added Louisev to my friends listings and her new chapters come up on my friends pages and I can read them from my site, which was really handy for a time there, not even the links from davecullen or the other forums would get me to her livejournal, till I did my own.
but now I can get back to hers without problems, but it took over 2 weeks of never even trying to make it start working again.
the email/word thing is a good thing too!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 01:46:18 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on July 07, 2006, 01:44:30 pm

the email/word thing is a good thing too!!

Most definitely!  Now we can help each other out with chapters in Word documents..
and absolute worse case scenario: Notepad!  Anything just to read the chapter ...  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 01:47:18 pm
you guys i love the risque photos - but can ya post a warning for a girl that reads in the middle of a public computer lab??
 :o :o

Thanks.
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 01:49:04 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 01:47:18 pm
you guys i love the risque photos - but can ya post a warning for a girl that reads in the middle of a public computer lab??
 :o :o

Thanks.
 ;D

You mean the skinny dipper?  Not risque enough ... :P
Hehe...blame Leslie ...


An update to our galleries in a sec ...  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 01:49:17 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 07, 2006, 01:46:18 pm
Most definitely!  Now we can help each other out with chapters in Word documents..
and absolute worse case scenario: Notepad!  Anything just to read the chapter ...  ;)

I have "Taking Chances" (the entire thing) in Word, if anyone would like a copy. I managed to get the first 25 chapters of Looking for Answers done, haven't had a chance to go back and finish that.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 01:50:54 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 07, 2006, 01:49:04 pm
You mean the skinny dipper?  Not risque enough ... :P
Hehe...blame Leslie ...


Maybe she means the Ennis/Heath skinnydipper...

nB: WARNING: Naked Ennis jumping off a cliff somewhere in this thread!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 01:54:03 pm
GALLERY Update ...  ;D

The LARAMIE SAGA Cast GALLERY thus far:


The lads who started it all:

(http://static.flickr.com/19/91405334_06b00ce2b0.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/enn2-1.jpg)


The Chief Deputy Sheriff, Ellery Cantrell:  :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_HJ.jpg)


Ennis & Ellery:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_9.jpg)




Wayne:

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)


Gene:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/gene.jpg)


Carol (On and Off Duty)  ;D

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6IMdaFEw84AIQyjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13jo10kp5/EXP=1151518348/**http%3a//www.yolocountysheriff.com/myweb5/Sheriff%2520Final/images/command%2520staff/penny-sm.jpg)   (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000BB461C.01-A380UA15JJJ6B2._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)


Joe "Round's a Shape" Tooey ..   :)

(http://www.vmi.edu/resources/images/Auxilliary%20Services/Police/PP_Edward_Matheny.jpg)


Bill

(http://www.geocities.com/concreteangels2003/images/tony.jpg)


Wes & Edna

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shff-1.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/edn.jpg)


Dupree:   (On and Off Duty)  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/dpre.jpg)

(http://www.lonestarsteve.com/photos/lying_on_sofa.jpg)



Amos Marigold

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/attorney.jpg)


Jim

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shtls.jpg)


Beagle (Before & Now)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/breakfast2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bgle.jpg)


Nate, the radiator repairman

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiTo5KNEv3gA5LejzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12okedfbv/EXP=1151678056/**http%3a//images.richmond.com/images/storyimage/3-21-02cooter_story.jpg)   OR    (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Adventures_in_Babysitting_05.jpg)


At the Red Stallion: Left to right:  Rudy, Leon, Lang

(http://static.flickr.com/53/130985177_bf4eeb8b26.jpg)


The Worrells:  Judge Evinrude and Justin

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jdgWrll.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jWorrll1.jpg)

... to be continued ...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 01:56:57 pm
"The LARAMIE SAGA Props Gallery"

TOP 3 Props IMO …   ;)

(http://mcraeclan.com/links/g/Doughboy.gif)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/glenfiddich.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/vline.jpg)


Ennis and Ellery Diet

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_shishkebob.jpg) 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/chili.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/biscuits.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/crCorn.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/brgers.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/friedCh.jpg)  (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/2004-0005-TCCW-24.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/tacos.jpg)


Ellery's Wardrobe

(http://www.back2.co.uk/media/V-back-brace_175.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_tank.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_10476.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_7BC0FA0B4D-CD5F-4AA9-B2D5-518EA22F3.jpg)       (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Image033.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_sock.gif)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_sock-row-blue.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_B0007VM38O.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_tejublueblutop.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/blkSlkRb.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/holster-1.jpg)


Ennis' Newer WardRobe

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_123natnew.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/product_thumb.jpg)



Ennis & Ellery Bedroom props  8)

(http://www.inversionmagazine.com/images/photos/feature_art/CodeBlack2.jpg)   (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001FUX1A.01-A22UN21UL9VI60._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/slkRp.jpg)

And biscuits, burnt or not:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/engMff.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/biscuits.jpg)



Misc.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_L_TKnot.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_delmontelogos.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/country-bands_cigarillos.jpg)


Ennis & Ellery Home & Transport

Ellery's car:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elCam.jpg)


Ennis' wheels:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/72fordtruck.jpg)


Ennis & Ellery Home:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elHs.jpg)


Birdfeeders:

 (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/BF1.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/bfeeder.jpg)



HORSE Gallery

Nellie

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Nellie.jpg)


Socks 

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Socks.jpg)


Pal

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Pal.jpg)


to be continued ...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 01:58:08 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on July 07, 2006, 01:44:30 pm
I went through a period of having problems with livejournal too.
I finally went and registered and set up a lj for myself, and added Louisev to my friends listings and her new chapters come up on my friends pages and I can read them from my site, which was really handy for a time there, not even the links from davecullen or the other forums would get me to her livejournal, till I did my own.
but now I can get back to hers without problems, but it took over 2 weeks of never even trying to make it start working again.
the email/word thing is a good thing too!!

yee haw! ranchgal!  welcome, have you been in here before and I just missed you?  it is so friendly here I think I am in love all over again!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 02:02:27 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 07, 2006, 01:49:04 pm
You mean the skinny dipper?  Not risque enough ... :P
Hehe...blame Leslie ...


An update to our galleries in a sec ...  :D
not so much the skinny dipper as the heath picture! (but yeah, the skinny dipper too)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 02:03:27 pm
nB: Watch out, NC17 props ahead...

Lucise: we need Ennis's truck...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 02:08:36 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 01:50:54 pm
nB: WARNING: Naked Ennis jumping off a cliff somewhere in this thread!
too little too late Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 02:10:24 pm
I think it is a 1972... Ford... uh.... pickup.  Right.  Green if you want to be true to BBM the Short Story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 02:12:11 pm
regarding the cast,
bill and jim look too nice to me...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 02:15:11 pm
Another prop/element of Ellery's uniform:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/1090.jpg)

Memo:

To : Lucise, Photoshop Wizard and Archiver of all the Galleries
From: Leslie, Prop Mistress

Slap a Laramie Police patch over that Safariland logo, willya? Thanks.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 02:18:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 07, 2006, 02:10:24 pm
I think it is a 1972... Ford... uh.... pickup.  Right.  Green if you want to be true to BBM the Short Story.

WHERE IS DAVID? He is the expert on all things automotive!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 02:27:58 pm
Note: this post is rated G

Stats Update:

In the past 80 minutes, we have passed "Introduce Yourself" and are now number 9 on the most viewed list.

Leslie
BeanCounter (when not acting as Prop Mistress)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 02:30:18 pm
Leslie, dear, the rating needs to go at the start of the post.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 02:33:17 pm
Note:  This post is rated PG:



*SQUEEEE!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 02:34:44 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 02:30:18 pm
Leslie, dear, the rating needs to go at the start of the post.



Jeez! Everyone's a critic! Post has been edited accordingly!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 07, 2006, 02:35:20 pm
I have so many favorite parts of the Laramie Saga, I couldn't name one as best.

But the meeting of Ellery and Ennis and those first few hours of getting acquainted has to be near the top.

I would love to hear that story told from Ellery's point of view.

Anybody else feel that way?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 02:37:56 pm
Note: This post is rated R

Somewhere in the story (sorry, can't remember exact chapter number) is a scene where Ennis pounds Ellery's ass into the mattress.

PG:

*MUAH*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 02:39:37 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 07, 2006, 02:35:20 pm
I have so many favorite parts of the Laramie Saga, I couldn't name one as best.

But the meeting of Ellery and Ennis and those first few hours of getting acquainted has to be near the top.

I would love to hear that story told from Ellery's point of view.

Anybody else feel that way?

I do. We get it, just a tiny little bit where they are having the dom/sub conversation and Ellery describes the way Ennis looked, and the growl in his voice, but more would be interesting, I agree, Fred.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 02:41:39 pm
That's a great idea Fred!  don't y'all wanna come chat?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 02:47:48 pm

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/66695.html  "Chapter 62:  At Home with Daddy"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 07, 2006, 02:49:16 pm
ALL:

My attempt to meet our post goal:

Not trying to start trouble, some of the below have been discussed.  I didn’t have time at the time to join in, so thought I would drop some random thoughts on the board.

- Am mystified why anyone would not want Ennis to move on after two years of morning Jack?  Why would anyone want that for someone they cared about? Why would Jack want that for Ennis.

-Ennis’s discussion with Dupree about top/bottom issue.  As discreet as Ennis was it was still probably inappropriate for Ennis to discuss the issue with Ellery’s subordinate.
But on the other hand, I Can’t figure a way for Dupree to raise the issue in casual  conversation in the office so what is the harm?  Can you just picture that topic coming up over muffins?

-While I am glad that E & E are Having a good time at it. And maybe I am just naïve, but where in Laramie is Ellery getting his joy sticks?  Toys R US?  

- Work for the govt.  This is why some ? sites are blocked and others not??

- Thanks Louise ( our Diva ) for bringing Junior into the story, for how ever long.

- I am wondering if Dupree is on the level? Is he just to good to be true?

- Agree with Pastor Fred, Some things Ennis from Ellery's Point of View would be really insightful.  

Think you guys are great, have a great weekend.

Bob
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 03:06:07 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 02:37:56 pm
Note: This post is rated R

Somewhere in the story (sorry, can't remember exact chapter number) is a scene where Ennis pounds Ellery's ass into the mattress.

PG:

*MUAH*


hahahahah. Oh yeah.  That one.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 07, 2006, 03:13:12 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 07, 2006, 02:35:20 pm
I have so many favorite parts of the Laramie Saga, I couldn't name one as best.

But the meeting of Ellery and Ennis and those first few hours of getting acquainted has to be near the top.

I would love to hear that story told from Ellery's point of view.

Anybody else feel that way?

Me too, Fred!  Those first few hours really hooked me.  I don't think I have said it here and I am a little bit cautious of doing this, but I think I prefer Ellery a little bit (ok a tinny little bit) more in Louise's story, though I am partial to Ennis in the short story and the movie.  :)  Yes, I would love to hear the story from Ellery’s point of view.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 03:19:33 pm
you want to know what is odd about that Jenny?  About in the middle of "Taking Chances" where Ellery is dragging Ennis around and being Mr. Deputy Hotshot I felt like I was really portraying Ennis as a sort of a helpless follower, and I thought... I have to start moving Ennis back into character here.  He doesn't passively accept things, he is an active guy and he needs to be something other than the guy sleeping in Ellery's bed.  I had a moment of plot crisis there, once he came back from Brokeback.  However I also realized that following the outpouring of grief, Ennis was going to be a bit passive for a while.  And he got over it.  And that's when I think Mr. Coyote sort of came out and howled at the moon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 03:29:01 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 02:03:27 pm
nB: Watch out, NC17 props ahead...

Lucise: we need Ennis's truck...

Gallery has been updated with better Beagle pics, Ennis' truck and Ellery's holster.. ;)

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.msg54980#msg54980 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.msg54980#msg54980)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 07, 2006, 03:29:29 pm
Quote from: gn411 on July 07, 2006, 02:49:16 pm

- Am mystified why anyone would not want Ennis to move on after two years of morning Jack?  Why would anyone want that for someone they cared about? Why would Jack want that for Ennis.


Do you know the old saying, "Misery loves company?"

Ennis and Jack are real: They are archetypes that live in all of us. So our grief about Jack's death is real. Each person needs to move on from grief at her or his own pace. Those who are not ready to move on don't want Ennis to move on, or you or me, either. If the question should actually come up in a conversation, we can just say something like, "I really need this to help me deal with my grief. If it doesn't help you, don't read it."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 07, 2006, 03:40:13 pm
Thanks Fred,  Understand the concept.  Hope those folks find there Ellery or whatever motivates them to Move On, as Sondheim might say!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 03:44:26 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 07, 2006, 03:29:29 pm
"I really need this to help me deal with my grief. If it doesn't help you, don't read it."
I shall have to do my very best to remember that line.  It is good.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 07, 2006, 03:49:45 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 07, 2006, 03:29:29 pm
Ennis and Jack are real: They are archetypes that live in all of us. So our grief about Jack's death is real. Each person needs to move on from grief at her or his own pace. Those who are not ready to move on don't want Ennis to move on, or you or me, either. If the question should actually come up in a conversation, we can just say something like, "I really need this to help me deal with my grief. If it doesn't help you, don't read it."

Well said pastor Fred. :) 

I just got another Jack is/was the only person for Ennis [sigh].  To each and their own, that's all I can say.  Something that is true to me, doesn't always work for others.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 03:56:08 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 07, 2006, 03:49:45 pm
Well said pastor Fred. :) 

I just got another Jack is/was the only person for Ennis [sigh].  To each and their own, that's all I can say.  Something that is true to me, doesn't always work for others.


Jenny, what do you mean "I just got another..."? Not following you here...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 07, 2006, 03:59:05 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 07, 2006, 01:58:08 pm
yee haw! ranchgal!  welcome, have you been in here before and I just missed you?  it is so friendly here I think I am in love all over again!


Hi well I registered here just after you told us about it on your lj--but haven't really found much to add in the way of comments, mostly just lurk around and read.    Usually figure my babbling on on LJ is probably enough out of me.

But I have to say--the above pictures show real talent.
I really like the guy you all seem to have chosen for Ellery. fantastic find.  Almost good enough to eat with a spoon!!    Very nice.
Always thought Amos was older than in the picture, but maybe just my interpretation of him being such a fuddy duddy jerk.
Don't know why, but this Wayne seems more handsome than the Wayne I picture when I read it, sort of more like a Gene and a whiner--this guy seems too real, beefier too. LOL
And this Bill is alot better than the Bill in my mind, though I don't know why. funny isn't it how perspectives change sometimes through different situations.  Maybe this will stick when I read the next installment.

don't know about Dupree, not sure if when I mental image him I get quite so much muscle definition, but this guy would work.  Very interesting.

Very interesting threads and viewpoints.  I love looking at all the props, did a good job on the horses too.  Nellie sure shows her blood--and Pal and Socks are just the kind of horses a good old ranch boy would be able to afford.   Good imagery here. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 07, 2006, 04:01:51 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 07, 2006, 03:19:33 pm
you want to know what is odd about that Jenny?  About in the middle of "Taking Chances" where Ellery is dragging Ennis around and being Mr. Deputy Hotshot I felt like I was really portraying Ennis as a sort of a helpless follower, and I thought... I have to start moving Ennis back into character here.  He doesn't passively accept things, he is an active guy and he needs to be something other than the guy sleeping in Ellery's bed.  I had a moment of plot crisis there, once he came back from Brokeback.  However I also realized that following the outpouring of grief, Ennis was going to be a bit passive for a while.  And he got over it.  And that's when I think Mr. Coyote sort of came out and howled at the moon.

Louise, I understand what you are saying.  Having Ennis being passive at the beginning of the story does not bother me at all.  I actually think it makes sense for Ennis being that way given he was still coming out of his emotional coma, and was surrounded with things that were very foreign to him.  Ennis always was, for the lack of better word, sexually more aggressive when he was with Jack, and therefore the Mr. Coyote in his relationship with Ellery.  Ennis is your typical outward passive and inward aggressive type. Ellery is the opposite, but boy, do I love Mr. Deputy Hotshot ;D.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 04:08:45 pm
you do?

Is this a consensus?  You guys liked Ellery doing his Hotshot thing in Taking Chances and Looking for Answers?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 04:09:50 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/67034.html  "Chapter 63:  Meeting Nellie"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 07, 2006, 04:10:56 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 07, 2006, 03:56:08 pm
Jenny, what do you mean "I just got another..."? Not following you here...

Leslie

Check your PM. :)

In 5 minutes.  I tried to send you two, but the browser just got frozen on me.  Will try again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 07, 2006, 04:15:11 pm
I like that you give both ennis and ellery chances to be both leading and following depending on the situations.
Every body has times when they can lead and take charge of certain things, and other times when they just follow along and be led.
I think it shows them both as more human with each other when there is an interchange of strengths and weaknesses, that are not all the same all the time.
I think every real relationship has give and take in both strength and who does what, and the interchanges are what makes things fresh and gives one a new perspective into themselves and their relationship.  That is just my own take on it, and I sort of joined these stories and stay through them all!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 07, 2006, 04:19:05 pm
Quote from: gn411 on July 07, 2006, 02:49:16 pm
ALL:

My attempt to meet our post goal:

Not trying to start trouble, some of the below have been discussed.  I didn’t have time at the time to join in, so thought I would drop some random thoughts on the board.

-
-While I am glad that E & E are Having a good time at it. And maybe I am just naïve, but where in Laramie is Ellery getting his joy sticks?  Toys R US? 

-

Bob


HEEE heeee --well I don't know that Ellery gets his toys in Laramie!! LOL
I get all mine mail order catalog from some weird publication ad I found when I was in college umpteen years ago--and they would send a new catalog with every order-so I always kept one!!  My hubby about fell over when he saw the one I had after we were married---but he reaps the benefit, so he really likes it now!! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 04:21:42 pm
This post is rated PG 13.

Yep.

Mail Order. Plain Brown Wrapper!

By the way!!!

We are in CHAT right now, if you want to join a bunch of us in chat just click on the "CHAT" button with the red lips and it will let you into the chat room!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 07, 2006, 04:23:05 pm
Chapter 63  Spoiler

   Dammit Louisev!

      You got me crying like a weepy old lady when Junior finds out who Worrell is.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 07, 2006, 04:25:37 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 07, 2006, 04:08:45 pm
you do?

Is this a consensus?  You guys liked Ellery doing his Hotshot thing in Taking Chances and Looking for Answers?
Indeed, indeed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 07, 2006, 04:31:22 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 07, 2006, 04:23:05 pm
Chapter 63  Spoiler

   Dammit Louisev!

      You got me crying like a weepy old lady when Junior finds out who Worrell is.

My feelings, exactly, David! What got my waterworks going was Ennis' crying.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 07, 2006, 05:50:22 pm
I like the yin/yang of strength between the two men: Ellery in his work, Ennis in bed. While Ennis remains strong in his work as well, it is Ellery who takes the leadership role in public. I think  most people find confidence one of the greatest aphrodisiacs there is. I love that both men express confidence, each in his own arena and each in a complementary fashion to the other. Their respective emotional vulnerability is balanced by their strong personalities and strengthened by their partner's loving care. So, in a word:  yes, Louise, I like hotshot Ellery. And I like how comfortable he is taking the submissive role at home. Confidence is sexy!

Wish I could stay, but I gotta go. Check back in later.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 07, 2006, 05:53:19 pm
I haven't much to say, but I thought I'd let you all know I'm still here and following closely.  The comments are so good I can't come up with anything to add.  I love the gallery Lucise!  Th e people, the food, the helpers, the horses, the house, everything.  But I still think KC is my idea of Ellery.  However, the Ellery you all like is a great second best for me.

What a wonderful story!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 07, 2006, 06:01:40 pm
I always wanted Keith Carradine, except his nose was just a little too big, ya know?  Hey Keith, can you do the nose job for this story?  hehehe... whichever Ellery works for you!  Some people still think of Matthew McConnaughy!

Glad you are still following along scudder, this thread is getting to be one of the most hopping places on the board!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 06:08:29 pm
Louise - Loved the new chapters!  :-*

Scudder - Our gallery keeps growing and growing!  There will me more pictures to come!  ;)

This thread is hopping!  Damn right Louise!   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 08:37:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 07, 2006, 06:01:40 pm
I always wanted Keith Carradine, except his nose was just a little too big, ya know?  Hey Keith, can you do the nose job for this story?  hehehe... whichever Ellery works for you!  Some people still think of Matthew McConnaughy!

Keith Carradine's nose is fine, I just dont think he has enough sex appeal for my idea of Ellery.  Now Hugh Jackman Ellery definitely tickles my fancy!  ;)
I never knew that Matt McConnaughey was in the list of Ellery hopefuls !  HJ still wins IMO!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 07, 2006, 08:43:09 pm
Chapter 63....Some Spoilers ...........
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Alma Jr falls in love with the beautiful Nellie, and decides to take her for a ride ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jr_Nellie4_col.jpg)


She is introduced to Ben  ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ben1.jpg)


..and Jess, who enthusiastically comments to Ennis: “Boy that girl can ride!”

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jess1.jpg)


He is really saying: " This here Ennis' girl sure is sweet to look at!  Won't mind taking her for a ride in the sunset ..."

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jrjess.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 08, 2006, 12:06:16 am
And as I go to bed, realizing it is now Saturday, I say, goodnight Ennis and Ellery, sweet dreams...we all love you....

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 08, 2006, 12:19:29 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 08, 2006, 12:06:16 am
And as I go to bed, realizing it is now Saturday, I say, goodnight Ennis and Ellery, sweet dreams...we all love you....



Here here! and G'night Leslie!
I am heading out to my version of the Red Stallion in a few minutes ...
I'll say hello on behalf of all o' ya, if I run into any of the gang from Laramie ...  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 05:24:59 am
Well it may be that today is the day.

Several of you were with me last night as we discussed the incredibly moving and quite flattering tribute to grief resolution given by fan and reader Magicmountain from davecullen.com.  Along with a few other vocal and extremely persistent readers, Magicmountain has been with me through thick and thin and extremely HEATED controversy about my vision of Ennis and life after Brokeback mountain.

Today I received an email responding to my urging to try Bettermost and she said she would definitely come by!  I am so pleased.

I have also been graced with the attention and absolutely beautiful commentaries on my fics by Judyh (also known as Judy_blue_cat in Livejournal) and have invited her here as well.

I am hoping as I pull away from participating in the other forum that some of the fans who have been so loyal and so supportive reading my stories manage to find this incredibly hopeful and friendly place where I have had so many wonderful moments with you all.

And I'm up before noontime ready to saddle Nellie and gallop off to the conclusion of "A Second Chance"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 05:32:02 am
You are perfectly welcome Lucise.  I just love all of the effort you have put into illustrating the Laramie fics, and bringing some welcome humor to the discussion as well as an insight into what everyone (and everyTHING) might look like.

And when I check the user listing I see every day there are Guests lurking and reading the Ennis and Ellery thread.  Delurk, register and come join our discussions!  I have suspected (and have been told) that there are a whole lot more readers out there besides the ones who comment, and now with the help of the view Users I can see just how many lurkers are reading our discussion.  Stand up and be counted!  Let us know what you like and don't like!  Are there too many sex scenes?  Too few?  Did Ennis move on too quickly?  Was it about time?  What will happen when Ellery comes face to face again with the first man who touched his heart, and how will that affect his relationship with Ennis?  All of these are points worth discussion... or others that are on your mind.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 08, 2006, 05:42:06 am
Thanks Louise. Well here I am and looking forward to lots of friendly discussions about the boys.

Has the group definitely decided on who will fit the bill for Ellery?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 05:45:16 am
Scroll back a bit in the Gallery and see several pictures of the now leading favorite... even I caved on my original choice of Keith Carradine in favor of the mysterious and handsome Hugh Jackman!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 08, 2006, 06:22:48 am
Loose end from chapter 62/63...did Alma ever get Curt on the phone?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 06:41:35 am
Nope.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 08, 2006, 06:43:49 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 08, 2006, 12:19:29 am
Here here! and G'night Leslie!
I am heading out to my version of the Red Stallion in a few minutes ...
I'll say hello on behalf of all o' ya, if I run into any of the gang from Laramie ...  ;)

Have fun!     And tell Rudy the bartender that I'm keeping his pants as a souvenir !

(http://static.flickr.com/54/177201102_5f84a12e42_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 08, 2006, 09:06:07 am
Louise, are we going to need to add this to the prop gallery anytime soon?

Leslie
PropMistress

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tsupansm.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 09:08:31 am
yup...!  dont you be givin away the plot missy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 08, 2006, 09:17:37 am
Oh?  the boys are buying a ping-pong table?      Alma Junior will love it!     ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 08, 2006, 09:23:20 am
I just heard something absolutely beautiful on National Public Radio.

Commentator Scott Simon said (not quite exact quote):

"All lifetime loves end in death. We just hope that the love we have known provides for healing and the chance to love again."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 09:30:48 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 08, 2006, 09:17:37 am
Oh?  the boys are buying a ping-pong table?      Alma Junior will love it!     ;)

uh... yeah.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 09:42:10 am
you guys... sorry... I finished a chapter and forgot to post it!!! eeeek!

Update to:  "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/67253.html  "Chapter 64:  Celebrating Ennis"

and please join some our fans in the chat discussion!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 08, 2006, 11:20:35 am
Quote from: louisev on July 08, 2006, 09:42:10 am
you guys... sorry... I finished a chapter and forgot to post it!!! eeeek!

Update to:  "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/67253.html  "Chapter 64:  Celebrating Ennis"

and please join some our fans in the chat discussion!

heheh

That happens to the best of us, doesn't it?

If we register on livejournal and include louisev on our friends page, we receive the new chapters as soon as she uploads them. (That's just a word to the wise.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 11:21:30 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/67571.html  "Chapter 65:  Foreplay"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 08, 2006, 11:41:58 am
Quote from: louisev on July 08, 2006, 11:21:30 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/67571.html  "Chapter 65:  Foreplay"

Chap 65 SPOILERS

OK, I have to comment here too - cause just didn't feel like inciting anything over at DC.  I cannot BELIEVE you had Junior catch E&E in the act!  I'm actually shocked, though grinning like a cheshire cat at the same time.   I mean, it one thing for her to catch them smooching -- flat up against the house jerking off is, well, could be enough to shock the hell out of someone - particularly a child.  Welp, guess she's getting a crash course introduction to the gay lifestyle!

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 12:09:35 pm
hee hee.  She actually only saw his hand moving.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 08, 2006, 12:28:01 pm
Chapter 66: "Ping Pong"  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 08, 2006, 12:39:02 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 08, 2006, 12:06:16 am
And as I go to bed, realizing it is now Saturday, I say, goodnight Ennis and Ellery, sweet dreams...we all love you....



Leslie - not sure if I remembered to thank you for all the ratings you did yesterday!
 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 08, 2006, 12:41:10 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 08, 2006, 05:24:59 am
And I'm up before noontime ready to saddle Nellie and gallop off to the conclusion of "A Second Chance"

Are you saying it's almost time for A Second Chance to end ??? :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 01:00:45 pm
Actually NB... I went back and reviewed the plot and there hasnt even been a week since Beagle called.  So no... there is a long way to go!  I thought we were nearing the end but this book will be .. uh, big.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 08, 2006, 01:06:13 pm
Well,  as for Junior catching E&E fooling around, that is um, brave?   

Most children, whether their 18 or 58, have trouble imagining their parents having sex!

Of course, most of us didn't have parents as hot as E&E!

I still shudder to think of the times my Dad gave me $5 to go to the movies on a Saturday afternoon so he could be home alone with Mom!      :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 08, 2006, 03:09:58 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 08, 2006, 01:06:13 pm
Well,  as for Junior catching E&E fooling around, that is um, brave?   

Most children, whether their 18 or 58, have trouble imagining their parents having sex!

Of course, most of us didn't have parents as hot as E&E!

I still shudder to think of the times my Dad gave me $5 to go to the movies on a Saturday afternoon so he could be home alone with Mom!      :P

Why shudder, David, I think it's cute...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 03:26:42 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/67826.html  "Chapter 66:  Afterplay"

*special extra long blowjob chapter*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 08, 2006, 05:25:35 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 08, 2006, 03:26:42 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/67826.html  "Chapter 66:  Afterplay"

*special extra long blowjob chapter*

<literally laughing out loud!>

I love your teaser lines!

What's next:  "Bigger, Longer and Uncut"   ??     ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 05:35:31 pm
hahahahahaha.

I meant 2,000 words but ... I see your point!   ;)

I am writing another chapter tonight by the way.  Since the Germans teased out 3rd place in the World Cup final they are blowing horns and setting off fireworks to celebrate the further crushing of Portugal, and I wont sleep in any case!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 06:06:43 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/68026.html  "Chapter 67:  Motions"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 08, 2006, 06:09:32 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 08, 2006, 06:43:49 am
Have fun!     And tell Rudy the bartender that I'm keeping his pants as a souvenir !

(http://static.flickr.com/54/177201102_5f84a12e42_m.jpg)

Hey David!
I was having a blast with my friends, enjoying the men dancing in cages and the bartenders in their tight drawers ... until my purse went missing/stolen (still cant figure how)!  :'(
It has been a crap day trying to sort all that out ...
'Sh!t, f**k, damn!' is how I feel right now!  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2006, 06:29:21 pm
oh my goodness, that is terrible for you Lucise!  Someone must have nabbed it at a moment you were... enjoying things.

I hope the copious chapters of Lengthy Sox Sex help console you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 08, 2006, 06:43:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 08, 2006, 06:29:21 pm
oh my goodness, that is terrible for you Lucise!  Someone must have nabbed it at a moment you were... enjoying things.

Well, there were supposed to be about 5 friends watching my bag and a girlfriend's bag when we went to the restroom for 2 minutes ... when I got back, nobody knew where mine had gone!  Well, I sure have learned a lesson or two here ...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 08, 2006, 08:45:35 pm
Milli,

That sucks, sorry to hear the trouble.  Have you called to cancel all the credit card?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 08, 2006, 08:55:55 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 08, 2006, 08:45:35 pm
Milli,

That sucks, sorry to hear the trouble.  Have you called to cancel all the credit card?

Yap, did that first thing!  But the thought of identity theft freaks me out!  :-\
arrrggghhhh...
I should catch up with my E&E reading ... *sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 09, 2006, 07:25:50 am
Quote from: pastorfred on July 07, 2006, 02:35:20 pm
I have so many favorite parts of the Laramie Saga, I couldn't name one as best.

But the meeting of Ellery and Ennis and those first few hours of getting acquainted has to be near the top.

I would love to hear that story told from Ellery's point of view.

Anybody else feel that way?

Yeah thats also my fave part. I think an Ellery POV would be fascinating too. (maybe flashback).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 09, 2006, 07:28:49 am
Quote from: pastorfred on July 07, 2006, 03:29:29 pm
Do you know the old saying, "Misery loves company?"

Ennis and Jack are real: They are archetypes that live in all of us. So our grief about Jack's death is real. Each person needs to move on from grief at her or his own pace. Those who are not ready to move on don't want Ennis to move on, or you or me, either. If the question should actually come up in a conversation, we can just say something like, "I really need this to help me deal with my grief. If it doesn't help you, don't read it."

Great insight. Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 07:31:19 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 09, 2006, 07:25:50 am
Yeah thats also my fave part. I think an Ellery POV would be fascinating too. (maybe flashback).

Now that... is certainly doable!  A flashback, that is.

Stay tuned everyone, I am in the chat room with Leslie blabbing and also working on chapter 68.  More will be happening today.  Please feel free to join in and enjoy the chapters!

Also welcome Helen and June, a couple of European fans who are very enthusiastic.  Helen also writes BBM Fan fics and perhaps she will come share as well!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 07:32:28 am
So David, I take it the spanking has met with your approval...!  heheheh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 09:45:20 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/68309.html  "Chapter 68:  Toys"

Special extra naughty chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 09, 2006, 10:02:36 am
Quote from: louisev on July 09, 2006, 09:45:20 am

Special extra naughty chapter.

Whew! Ain't that the truth! From commitment to paddlin' this chapter is quite a ride for us readers, too.

For me the best part was the reassurance that Ennis's care and gentle questioning provides for Ellery. Who'd have thought that a good paddlin' could be such an act of love?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 09, 2006, 10:11:18 am
In honor of this morning's chapter, something a little different for the gallery.

PUMPKIN WALNUT MUFFINS

1/4 cup melted butter
1/4 cup applesauce
3/4 cup canned solid-pack pumpkin
1/4 cup well-shaken buttermilk
2 large eggs
3 tablespoons unsulfured molasses
1 teaspoon vanilla
1 cup all-purpose flour
1 cup white whole-wheat flour or all-purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
1/8 teaspoon freshly grated nutmeg
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon baking soda
3/4 cup packed brown sugar
3/4 cup chopped pitted dates (about 4 ounces)
3/4 cup finely chopped walnuts (about 3 ounces)

Preheat oven to 400° F. and grease twelve 1/2-cup muffin cups.

Melt butter and cool slightly. In a bowl whisk together butter, applesauce, pumpkin, buttermilk, eggs, molasses, and vanilla. Into a large bowl sift together flours, baking powder, spices, salt, and baking soda and whisk in brown sugar. Make a well in center of flour mixture and add pumpkin mixture, stirring just until combined. Stir in dates and divide batter among cups. Sprinkle walnuts evenly over batter in each cup and bake muffins in middle of oven 20 to 25 minutes, or until puffed and a tester comes out clean. Cool muffins in cups 5 minutes and turn out onto a rack. Serve muffins warm or at room temperature.

If you don't like (or are allergic) to nuts, these are just fine without the walnuts, too.

Makes 12 muffins.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 09, 2006, 10:30:26 am
Thanks for the recipe Leslie.  Maybe we can have one for Junior's brownies, as well as Edna's biscuits?? :o
(or does Edna just use Pillsbury too, I forget?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 09, 2006, 10:40:32 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 09, 2006, 10:30:26 am
Thanks for the recipe Leslie.  Maybe we can have one for Junior's brownies, as well as Edna's biscuits?? :o
(or does Edna just use Pillsbury too, I forget?)

Oh no, Edna makes them homemade...give me a few minutes....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 09, 2006, 10:46:07 am
ALMA JUNIOR'S FUDGY CHOCOLATE CHUNK BROWNIES WITH WALNUTS

1 cup (2 sticks) unsalted butter
8 ounces bittersweet (not unsweetened) or semisweet chocolate, chopped
3 ounces unsweetened chocolate, chopped

1/2 cup all purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup plus 2 tablespoons sugar
3 large eggs
3 1/4 teaspoons instant espresso powder or instant coffee powder
1 tablespoon vanilla extract
1 1/4 cups chopped toasted walnuts
6 ounces bittersweet (not unsweetened) or semisweet chocolate, coarsely chopped

Preheat oven to 350°F. Butter 13 x 9 x 2-inch glass baking dish. Melt first 3 ingredients in heavy medium saucepan over low heat, stirring until smooth. Remove from heat. Let cool 10 minutes.

Sift flour, baking powder and salt into medium bowl. Using electric mixer, beat sugar, eggs, espresso powder and vanilla in large bowl until blended. Add melted chocolate mixture and beat until smooth. Add dry ingredients and stir just until blended. Fold in walnuts and 6 ounces coarsely chopped chocolate.

Pour batter into prepared pan. Smooth top. Bake until top looks dry and tester inserted into center comes out with moist crumbs attached, about 30 minutes. Transfer pan to rack and cool completely. (Can be made 1 day ahead. Cover with foil and store at room temperature.) Cut brownies into squares and serve.

Makes about 15.

Ellery gave these a five star rating. "Homemade baked goods just slide down my throat..." he said
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 09, 2006, 10:52:36 am
EDNA'S QUICK AND EASY BISCUITS

Many find that just one of these biscuits isn't enough. Fortunately, this quick recipe can easily be doubled.

2 cups all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon baking powder
1 teaspoon salt
3/4 stick (6 tablespoons) cold unsalted butter
3/4 cup heavy cream

Preheat oven to 425°F. and lightly grease a baking sheet.

Into a large bowl sift together flour, baking powder, and salt. Cut 5 tablespoons butter into bits and with your fingertips or a pastry blender blend into flour mixture until mixture resembles coarse meal. Add cream, stirring with a fork until just combined. Transfer mixture to a lightly floured surface and gently knead about 3 times until it just forms a dough. Pat dough into a 6 1/2-inch round (about 1/2 inch thick).

Using a 2 1/2-inch round cutter cut out biscuits and arrange about 1 inch apart on baking sheet. Gather and pat out scraps and cut out more biscuits.

Melt remaining tablespoon butter and lightly brush onto biscuits. Bake biscuits in middle of oven until pale golden and cooked through, about 20 minutes.

Makes about 6 biscuits.

Variations: Can make with milk instead of cream if you are worried about fat...but Edna never does. She knows Ellery likes the ones made with cream the best. And now Ennis is partial to them, too.

For cheese biscuits: add some grated cheese (sharp cheddar is best, but asiago works nicely, too)
Herb biscuits: a teaspoon or so of Italian seasoning is a nice touch, along with a clove or two of minced garlic
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 09, 2006, 11:53:30 am
OK, reposting from LJ here, regarding  Chapter... 68?  I've lost count!:

Aaaww, Louise, I totally got chills on those last few lines. How touching and tender, and what a contrast to the dominant love play just moments before. That was great.

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 09, 2006, 11:56:36 am
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on July 09, 2006, 11:53:30 am
OK, reposting from LJ here, regarding  Chapter... 68?  I've lost count!:

Aaaww, Louise, I totally got chills on those last few lines. How touching and tender, and what a contrast to the dominant love play just moments before. That was great.

Monica

I did too. And I think that Ennis is a very traditional, family oriented person. He just needs to redefine his concept of family for himself and is doing it. I love this.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 12:08:36 pm
awwww thank you.  I am being influenced, you see.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 12:09:16 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/68458.html  "Chapter 69:  Wyoming vs. Steele"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 09, 2006, 12:12:29 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 09, 2006, 12:09:16 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/68458.html  "Chapter 69:  Wyoming vs. Steele"

OMG, Louise. I really didn't know Ellery would be so tied up over seeing Beagle!  Wow - can't wait to see them try and start a conversation!

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 09, 2006, 12:23:23 pm
SPOILER.....









I am having an anxiety attack here. WHY did they go to the Rose Hotel? WHY couldn't Ellery have made sure that Eagleton, Sr., came along (he offered)? Maybe even Ennis...if Beagle is supposed to see that Ellery is successful and happy, why not see his lover? This chapter is killing me, Louise!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 09, 2006, 12:24:57 pm
Aaargh! Our poor, dear Ellery in Beagle induced agony!!

And how wonderful that Ennis can be his solid rock as he faces the long dormant pain and grief!

Thanks, Louise, for another masterpiece of a chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 12:32:30 pm
you are quote welcome....


and more on the way.

Anyone who is registered can feel free to join us in chat as we agonize over Ellery's teenage agony.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 09, 2006, 01:24:22 pm
I am just so thrilled I have Chapter 63 to 69 to catch up on and savour now.
6 whole chapters all at once ... hmmmm...
okay, I better get to it...

Leslie, we will start a Recipe Gallery too...
watch for it the next time we do a Galleria Update!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 01:29:34 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/68783.html  "Chapter 70:  A Regretted Life"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 09, 2006, 02:00:32 pm
Those last two chapters were so full of raw emotion.  I really like seeing Ellery's vulnerable side, and it was just perfect that he went to see Ennis first for some strength.  A strong, adjusted, independent deputy sheriff, but still very much a hurt teenager... I'm so glad he has Ennis, and that Ennis has him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 02:34:17 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/68865.html  "Chapter 71:  Need"
 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 09, 2006, 03:17:19 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 09, 2006, 02:34:17 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/68865.html  "Chapter 71:  Need"
 

Wow!  More chapters!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 03:25:04 pm
did you catch up yet Lucise?

You should stop by the chat and meet some of the chatters!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2006, 06:23:14 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/69133.html  "Chapter 72:  Hangover"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 09, 2006, 06:47:35 pm
SPOILER.....


The last two chapters were great!  Louise you delivered what you said early about this book, that Ellery has some of him own baggage to deal with.  Ellery sure took the meeting with Beagle really hard.  It’s interesting to see the always so confident Ellery’s vulnerable side.  It’s time for Ennis to take on the nurturer role.

And, another chapter!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 09, 2006, 07:08:52 pm
SPOILER ALERT




Wow, Louise. These past few chapters have been powerful. For the first time, I feel like I really know what's going on in Ellery's head. And the relationship between the boys is becoming solid -- talking about a future together! No more worries about Ennis' fears, just the knowledge that they will deal with them together as needed. And what a wonderful thing for Ennis to be the nurturer. Each man has a small turn at the other's role: Ellery taking charge -- briefly -- in the bedroom; Ennis taking charge this time of their emotional well-being. I really enjoy the TLC from Wes and Edna, too. You are on a roll!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 09, 2006, 07:09:44 pm
Today, after reading the last chapter, I was reminded of something out of Jerry MacGuire (sp? tom cruise movie)... at the very end, Renee Z's character says to Tom's character, "You had me at hello."  I think that applies to E and E - from the moment Ellery walked into the bar so long ago...  I think it's also how I feel about Ellery... have been taken with him and rooting for him from the get go.  Sorry to be so cheesy.  
::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 09, 2006, 08:31:34 pm
nB,

It's not cheesy. I actually think it's incredibly romantic. Ellery saw Ennis. Ellery is gay and out and knows it. He is trained detective and figures out Ennis pretty easily. He turns on the laser charm and sweeps Ennis off his feet. Okay fine...but then, guess what? It turns into something more. They both realize they each have a huge void, there is a place of loneliness and longing. They find the equilibrium in their relationship and begin to understand (this part has not totally been figured out) what they each bring to the relationship...and they can change roles. Ellery nutures when necessary, Ennis does when needed. I can read sex all day long but I am such a sucker for a love story and this has become such a wonderful love story, I can't get enough of it. Way back when in "Taking Chances" when Ellery said, "I have a theory...we're falling in love" to where we have come to today....

I cannot get enough of this story, it is driving me nuts!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 09, 2006, 08:47:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 09, 2006, 03:25:04 pm
did you catch up yet Lucise?

You should stop by the chat and meet some of the chatters!

Whooops, just came online.  :)  And yap, I did catch up ...
The last few chapters have been so amazing Louise!
I am actually going back a few chapters to read over again!


Quote from: MaineWriter on July 09, 2006, 08:31:34 pm
I cannot get enough of this story, it is driving me nuts!

I'd bet a hunderd bucks you ain't alone there L.!  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 09, 2006, 09:24:13 pm
Hot Damn!    I just came home and there's like 4 or 5 new chapters to read!   

Thanks Louisev!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 09, 2006, 09:26:37 pm
Time for another Photo Sequence ...

May contain SPOILERS..(so try not to look.. :P)

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A Visit to Laramie ...


Ennis' oldest daughter

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made a trip to

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from

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to visit her Daddy. She felt bad that she hadn't seen him in a while.
Truth be told, she was curious about

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and was not exactly enjoying marital bliss with her husband Curt

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jrsCurt.jpg)


Fact is, they were running very dangerously low on

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/mbams.jpg)

and Curt's Momma was being a difficult cow and a royal pain in the

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/mbtForm.jpg)

Alma forgot her woes for a while, when she visited Wes and Edna; where she met Nellie

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jr_Nellie4_bw.jpg)

The night before she returned to Riverton, she got home in time to witness
her father in a very passionate embrace with his lover.
The best way to sum up her reaction:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/stund1.jpg)

She was embarrassed, but pleased to see her Daddy so in

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/inLuv.jpg)


..Her entire weekend in Laramie proved to be a crash-course on man-on-man love ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/qrLuv.jpg)

Can't wait to hear what she tells

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about her Daddy's new life and lover!

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 09, 2006, 10:22:32 pm

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There have been fascinating reversals in the love story of Ennis and Ellery. Sometimes Ennis assumes a role previously played by Jack in their time together or more recently by Ellery.

One of the most striking reversals happened in chapter 71 when Ennis came home to find Ellery drunk and in emotional turmoil on the patio. Ellery kept trying to push Ennis away, and Ennis would have none of that. It reminded me of the heart rending lake scene in BBM where Ennis told Jack to get the f--- off him, but Jack kept on until Ennis collapsed in his arms. It brought tears to my eyes.

I think I've come up with a useful shorthand term for this kind of reversal. It happens in our real life relationships. I call it a karmic mirror.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 09, 2006, 10:36:30 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 09, 2006, 10:22:32 pm
       *** Spoiler Alert ***











One of the most striking reversals happened in chapter 71 when Ennis came home to find Ellery drunk and in emotional turmoil on the patio. Ellery kept trying to push Ennis away, and Ennis would have none of that. It reminded me of the heart rending lake scene in BBM where Ennis told Jack to get the f--- off him, but Jack kept on until Ennis collapsed in his arms. It brought tears to my eyes.


That is the exact same observation I made on LiveJournal! :D
What an amazing chapter!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 04:26:51 am
I just pored through all of the wonderful comments and posts in LJ and here folks... and I want to thank you all too.  It isn't as much because you liked what I wrote, it's more because you relate to it, you understand it, you can decode it... you know why it is there and why these things are, and can appreciate them.  The concept of the "karmic mirror" or what another mystic friend of mine has called a karmic reversal, plays an important role here.

My vision of Ennis as he moves, changes and transforms for and with his new lover I am realizing, is a radical and provocative one, because it is not a passive piece of entertainment for a reader.  Perhaps like Annie Proulx's original story, it makes a daring challenge to a reader to accept the facts as they are presented, the pain of not only being in the closet but also the pains of growth, the regrets involved in daring to love and be loved, the dynamics of caring.  It is, as Jack would say, "no little thing."  What this means is that those of you who have signed on to the trip are those who are daring as well, daring to be confronted with the dynamics of love, who have felt these losses or are facing them, and deciding that you have it in you to face them.  And for that I am also grateful... that I'm not alone in needing to write about this journey for Ennis.

Now if anyone can explain to me why I had a silly dream where my washing machine broke down and I spent the entire dream telling my little sister to shut up...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 10, 2006, 06:26:07 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 09, 2006, 09:24:13 pm
Hot Damn!    I just came home and there's like 4 or 5 new chapters to read!   

Thanks Louisev!!!!

Don't you just love coming home these days :)

and
Quote from: pastorfred on July 09, 2006, 10:22:32 pm
*** Spoiler Alert ***

There have been fascinating reversals in the love story of Ennis and Ellery. Sometimes Ennis assumes a role previously played by Jack in their time together or more recently by Ellery.

One of the most striking reversals happened in chapter 71 when Ennis came home to find Ellery drunk and in emotional turmoil on the patio. Ellery kept trying to push Ennis away, and Ennis would have none of that. It reminded me of the heart rending lake scene in BBM where Ennis told Jack to get the f--- off him, but Jack kept on until Ennis collapsed in his arms. It brought tears to my eyes.

I think I've come up with a useful shorthand term for this kind of reversal. It happens in our real life relationships. I call it a karmic mirror.

Isn't it amazing how Louise brought Ennis and the rest of us to this point? I started rereading Taking Chances and again I'm struck by the journey Ennis has made so far. For letting him be loved and love again. thanks Louise, for the life you've given him  :-*

F
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 06:31:04 am
seems like rereading the saga is getting to be the thing to do. I had to go back Saturday to the early chapters of "A Second Chance" to map the future course of that book and found out... a whole lot happens with these boys, don't it?!!!

thanks for the feedback, bel!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 06:33:31 am
for anyone who would like, I am popping into the chat for a while!  I want to give it a test!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 10, 2006, 06:59:09 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 09, 2006, 07:28:49 am
Great insight. Thanks for that.

Pastorfred can you briefly telll us what in your view these Ennis/Jackarchetypes represent and how far Ellery might be in some way an extension of Jack as well as a unique persona in his own right? Sorry if this sounds like an exam question!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 10, 2006, 07:04:10 am
Just a thought about that beautiful "coital embrace" of Ennis and Ellery. I think a sculpture (or drawing) of that would rival Rodin's The Kiss. Any artists out there?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 08:32:26 am
you mean where they are twisted together and Ennis leans down and kisses him while fully penetrating?  Only an athlete, whose body was "built for fighting and for the horse" could pull that one off.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 08:36:12 am
Quote from: louisev on July 10, 2006, 08:32:26 am
you mean where they are twisted together and Ennis leans down and kisses him while fully penetrating?  Only an athlete, whose body was "built for fighting and for the horse" could pull that one off.

Well Ennis and Ellery did, and the imagery is beautiful.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 09:00:32 am
WOW, What a weekend E & E had.  Great Job Louise. 

ALL:  Question,  At what point, Where or when in the story did (your opinion) Ennis fall in love with Ellery? And the same question, when did Ellery fall in love with Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 09:01:17 am
okay gang, the good news is I finished my change order and I'm waiting for the PM, that means I am in chat and working on chapter er, what chapter is it? 72? 73? I cant remember
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 10, 2006, 09:13:18 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 10, 2006, 06:59:09 am
Pastorfred can you briefly telll us what in your view these Ennis/Jackarchetypes represent and how far Ellery might be in some way an extension of Jack as well as a unique persona in his own right? Sorry if this sounds like an exam question!!!

I love this question! I could write an essay, but you asked for a brief response. I hope we'll discuss the archetype question a lot more.

Ennis and Jack are archetypes of men who love each other, like Achilles and Patroclus or David and Jonathan. They bring the archetypes into our own time, and their tragedy leads all of us to examine our loves and lives.

Ellery is very much his own man, a participant in the archetype of Ennis and Jack, as would be any man who loves another man "like life itself." He is also a paradigm in his own right, a man who is comfortable in his own skin, emotionally balanced and generous. I'm thinking that there is a kind of forming archetype around him: We all have known people who help us take the next step in our growth as a person.

One of the most beautiful aspects of the love between Ennis and Ellery is the way they draw strength from each other. Each man is more fully himself because of the relationship they share. As Ennis comes out of his emotional repression, he is able to provide Ellery the safe haven for healing and growth that Ellery has given him. That is a paradigm for a love relationship to benefit all of us.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 09:22:51 am
Quote from: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 09:00:32 am
WOW, What a weekend E & E had.  Great Job Louise. 

ALL:  Question,  At what point, Where or when in the story did (your opinion) Ennis fall in love with Ellery? And the same question, when did Ellery fall in love with Ennis.


oooh, difficult question.

I think Ellery fell in love with Ennis when Ennis took his first trip to Brokeback, and Ellery realized that he was in deep grief about Jack.  He wanted a man who could feel like that, who felt he had to go up to the mountain to make peace with Jack and grieve him after sleeping with Ellery.

I think Ennis fell in love with Ellery when he found himself fantasizing about him while he was on Brokeback and he realized it was possible for him to recover from grieving Jack.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 09:39:22 am
Pastor Fred:
One of the most beautiful aspects of the love between Ennis and Ellery is the way they draw strength from each other. Each man is more fully himself because of the relationship they share. As Ennis comes out of his emotional repression, he is able to provide Ellery the safe haven for healing and growth that Ellery has given him. That is a paradigm for a love relationship to benefit all of us.

Like your point,  Now the next step.  Ellery is providing Ennis Love, room to grow, a safe environment.

What is Ennis providing Ellery? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 10:04:12 am
Quote from: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 09:39:22 am
Pastor Fred:
One of the most beautiful aspects of the love between Ennis and Ellery is the way they draw strength from each other. Each man is more fully himself because of the relationship they share. As Ennis comes out of his emotional repression, he is able to provide Ellery the safe haven for healing and growth that Ellery has given him. That is a paradigm for a love relationship to benefit all of us.

Like your point,  Now the next step.  Ellery is providing Ennis Love, room to grow, a safe environment.

What is Ennis providing Ellery? 

Well, from my viewpoint, Ennis is someone who is manly and strong who isn't violent or controlling of Ellery  in a sexual way.  The need to submit is intimately related to Ellery's need for nurturing, and this is manifested in how Ennis cleans up, makes food, and does other caretaking chores without ever being asked.  Ennis is doing his part to care for both of them, so both of those elements are there.   All of that hot fast hard sex, too, don't forget (like anyone is going to forget, here,) and a willingness to indulge Ellery's undoubtedly kinky side, which has introduced Ennis to a side of sex he only glimpsed when he got inspired one day to tie Jack down.  Ellery didn't ask for Ennis to tie him up until he learned of this event, and it opened up a world for both of them, and a little mention of spanking one day opened that avenue as well.

One thing that has really only begun to unfold is Ellery's realization that Ennis is someone he can lean on when HE falls apart, too.  It isn't all about being queer and accepting it, there is a world of scary emotions and the scars of the past, and while he has had Wes and Edna to lean on, he has always been reluctant to take their support.  He accepts help far more readily from Ennis, and in a form that he accepts it.  (A spontaneous bedroom encounter - or two -  after an emotional rollercoaster can do wonders for the self esteem.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 10:20:45 am
Quote from: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 09:00:32 am
WOW, What a weekend E & E had.  Great Job Louise. 

ALL:  Question,  At what point, Where or when in the story did (your opinion) Ennis fall in love with Ellery? And the same question, when did Ellery fall in love with Ennis.


I love these kinds of questions and could spend hours re-reading to come up with a long, involved answer....unfortunately...I really need to do some work here today, I am too far behind!

Quick answer....for Ellery, at least. I think when he made his comment about his theory, "I have a theory, we are fallling in love," he was in love at that point. I think he said this as a way to warm Ennis up to the idea. Ellery could see what was happening and that Ennis was falling, too, but knew that it would be harder and take longer for Ennis to actually recognize and accept the feelling and then put it in words. In fact, the first time Ennis did verbalize it, he didn't say "I love you," he said, "I do too" (I think that's it) in response to Ellery's statement, "You do know that's how I feel?"

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 10:30:14 am
The statistician in me just can't resist some of this stuff:

This is the current most replies list..
    
"ABCs of BROKEBACK MT."                  4727
Lines from BBM visualized                       3701
NC-17 RATED FUN: LET'S GET REAL HERE--      2375
"The Person Below Me" Game                 1524
~~THE PERFORMANCE!~~ =                          1266
Let's write a Brokeback limerick!              1222
Ennis and Ellery                                      954
The 1000+ Posts Club                                636
So what do we look like, anyway?            588
Jake Jake Jake!                                     580

Notice that our Ennis and Ellery is the only one on this list that is not a game or some other sort of fun thing. Sure, we have fun with the galleries and stuff, but we also have discussion and commentary going on, something that is not on any of those other threads.

L
   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 10:33:36 am
well yee haw!  What does that say about people at Bettermost "movin on"?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 10:45:06 am
Louise,  Thanks for the authors perspective.  You have heard me say this before.  Your stories are better than anything on TV.  And so is the way you have developed Ennis and Ellery.

One of the aspects of my thinking about what do the guys bring each other is that Ellery in alot of ways is sort of like Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady. While Ennis is like the Eliza Doolittle character.  Still what was the ultimate attraction.

Ellery had this relationship with Bill, But it is obviouse after Beagle and 20 years that they were just wasting time with each other, because Ellery does not have the same reacton to Bill as he did to Beagle.  

I think it Boils down to Ellery needing to be needed.  He likes the way Ennis nurtures him and takes care of him.  But Ennis needed him in a deep level. Not for what Ellery could monetarly provide, but All Emotion.  Ellery can take care of all his own  needs, EXCEPT having another person need him.  Bill did not need Ellery. Probably used him and his position at the sheriff's department as a cover for whatever he was doing.  

Ellery needed Ennis.  Ennis brings with him a sense of family, which Ellery might have been lacking. And ( I am having a hard time articulating here) that Ellery likes some of Ennis's baggage, ie... his kids. And wouldn't mind getting to know and be needed in a parental type way by Junior.  

Anyway,  We all have our own thoughts about what makes these guys tick.  Its great to see the relationship develope way beyond just a sexual attraction and delve deep into trust and the way Ennis was there for Ellery when he was wasted after his meeting with Beagle.  Ennis never considered getting offended. It was just so (words ?) ....   satisfying to someone who has followed the story from the beginning (movie) to now! Yea,  satisfying.   Thanks
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 10, 2006, 11:04:05 am
Quote from: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 09:39:22 am

What is Ennis providing Ellery? 

Ennis is clearly the love of Ellery's life. Ennis is beginning to give Ellery the greatest of all gifts, himself.

When Ellery says, "I need my man inside me," he isn't just talking about sexual need. The emotional and spiritual need is even greater, and that need, too, is beginning to be met.

What a beautiful love story!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 11:06:44 am
One of the things that is so gratifying to me is that there are a lot of people who are in long term love relationships, gay and straight, and so many men who can relate here.  That is what makes it special for me is that I have not struck a chord with the "fangirl yaoi crowd" only but there are actually people relating their own losses, loves, longings and fulfillments to the stories.  And that was what I was hoping would happen.  One can never be certain about authenticity until it connects with people who relate to it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 11:07:40 am
Everyone...

I have two word docs: the complete "Taking Chances" formatted so that every chapter begins on a new page and now, "Looking for Answers," similarly formatted. When the current story concludes, I will archive that one, too.

If anyone would like a copy of these documents, send me a PM with your email address and I will send them off.

Leslie
Archivist (yet another hat to wear!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 11:11:29 am
listen Missy, I thought you had work to do!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 11:18:18 am
Quote from: louisev on July 10, 2006, 11:11:29 am
listen Missy, I thought you had work to do!

LOL, don't remind me....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 11:27:39 am
well I have been sitting in here in the chat room looking at a blinking icon with your name on it wondering what you are doin if you're over here posting archives...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 11:33:02 am
Louise, I've been wondering how you picked Ellery's name?

(I've been loving his name more and more each day.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 11:34:00 am
Quote from: louisev on July 10, 2006, 11:27:39 am
well I have been sitting in here in the chat room looking at a blinking icon with your name on it wondering what you are doin if you're over here posting archives...!

I'm logged into the chat??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 11:35:46 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 11:33:02 am
Louise, I've been wondering how you picked Ellery's name?

(I've been loving his name more and more each day.)

from mystery writer Ellery Queen of course.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 11:36:27 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 11:34:00 am
I'm logged into the chat??


yes.  I am on my way home now (got to go shopping first) and I will download the java and see what happens in a little while.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 10, 2006, 11:39:04 am
We are seeing Ennis and Ellery,  in the process of loving each other,  develop a deep trust in each other, having confidence in the honesty, integrity, and reliability of the other, and Chapter 71, NEED, beautifully brings this out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 10, 2006, 12:04:42 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 10, 2006, 11:39:04 am
We are seeing Ennis and Ellery,  in the process of loving each other,  develop a deep trust in each other, having confidence in the honesty, integrity, and reliability of the other, and Chapter 71, NEED, beautifully brings this out.

Well said! That's exactly how I feel.

I love observing how Ennis and Ellery each bring out the best in the other.

Chapter 71 is a masterpiece among masterpieces, isn't it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 01:04:05 pm
egad, Fred, you're making me blush.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 01:24:37 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/69574.html  "Chapter 73:  The Corrupt"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 10, 2006, 01:43:34 pm
SPOILER  /  Chapter 73
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 Thank goodness that went short and sweet!   E&E don't need anymore drama than they already have on their plate!   

Why do I keep picturing Edna looking like Betty White?   LOL.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 01:45:48 pm
hee hee I don't know, David, you know something I don't know?  Is Edna being too nosy?

More chapters on the way when I stop getting interrupted!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 01:56:53 pm
Agree with David,  Betty White

NO!  Edna is not too nosy.  I was thinking that she and Wes are not nosy enough. They have alot invested in Ellery emotionally.  I don't see her being the typical jewish mother, but yea the chicken soup thing is there.  She is not just a prop who sends food home for the guys. She has alot of time on her hands at the ranch.  And if they (Wes and Edna) have known Ellery for awhile than yea, she would easly fuss over Ellery, and he is probably very used to it, and rolls his eyes like all kids do when there tolerance is exhausted.  They probably spent Christmas together, birthdays, and in some way have their own dialog, like kids and parents do. 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 02:01:13 pm
Quote from: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 01:56:53 pm
Agree with David,  Betty White

NO!  Edna is not too nosy.  I was thinking that she and Wes are not nosy enough. They have alot invested in Ellery emotionally.  I don't see her being the typical jewish mother, but yea the chicken soup thing is there.  She is not just a prop who sends food home for the guys. She has alot of time on her hands at the ranch.  And if they (Wes and Edna) have known Ellery for awhile than yea, she would easly fuss over Ellery, and he is probably very used to it, and rolls his eyes like all kids do when there tolerance is exhausted.  They probably spent Christmas together, birthdays, and in some way have their own dialog, like kids and parents do. 

I can definitely see that with Wes and Ellery, we've had fewer conversations between Edna and Ellery (in the story, at least). I actually see Edna being very much the mother Ennis never had and given he is at the ranch every day and probably eating lunch with her, they may be becoming very close.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 02:12:06 pm
Agree, I could see her making lunch for the guys, and asking taking a napkin and wiping the corners of Ennis's mouth.  And Ennis liking it too!. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 02:20:40 pm
Quote from: gn411 on July 10, 2006, 02:12:06 pm
Agree, I could see her making lunch for the guys, and asking taking a napkin and wiping the corners of Ennis's mouth.  And Ennis liking it too!. 

Umm, I think that's a stretch....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 02:33:42 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/69850.html  "Chapter 74:  A Very Slow Night"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 02:39:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 10, 2006, 01:24:37 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/69574.html  "Chapter 73:  The Corrupt"

Spoiler




I didn't know that Wes didn't know Ellery had taken those pills so long ago!!! (mouth opens in surprise)  **back to reading**
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 02:56:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 10, 2006, 02:33:42 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/69850.html  "Chapter 74:  A Very Slow Night"

Spoiler





Holy Moly - Ennis talking to Lauren about goings-on in the bedroom - he really is getting more relaxed and carefree!  You know, most guys don't like to think about their girl friends talking to other girls about bedroom activities (most guys I know, at least)... is it different with guys and boyfriends?  Ellery seems like such an understanding guy, though, I can't imagine him being too bothered by Ennis' little questions here and there (since Ennis is just trying to learn)... but I don't know, I think there's lots of little things about Ellery likes and dislikes that we don't know.

Interesting how they sorta danced around the 'real couple' conversation...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 10, 2006, 02:59:08 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 10, 2006, 07:04:10 am
Just a thought about that beautiful "coital embrace" of Ennis and Ellery. I think a sculpture (or drawing) of that would rival Rodin's The Kiss. Any artists out there?

I saw The Kiss in the Rodin Museum in Paris last week. Couldn't stop thinking about Ennis & Ellery...
Louise, you couldn't send them on a romantic weekend to Paris, could you? Okay, okay, that might be stretching it a bit...
maybe in book 12 when they're celebrating the 10th anniversary of the commitment they make to each other  :)

F
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 02:59:21 pm
SPOILER







Chapter 74: A Very Slow Night

Jeez, Ellery and his bar...nothing but trouble. Even though he is making money (which I gather he doesn't need) and providing a public service to the gay men of Laramie, it is beginning to seem like running this place is more trouble than it's worth. Nothing but crummy bouncers (Ennis excepted of course, and Dupree), now Rudy the bartender...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 03:01:51 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 02:56:33 pm
Interesting how they sorta danced around the 'real couple' conversation...

This was the third time it has come up, and each time Ennis has talked about it a little bit more. I think Ellery realizes that Ennis needs to ruminate on things. Having a conversation with Ennis is a process which takes time...lots and lots of time....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 03:04:02 pm
For those whose art history memories may be a little rusty:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/kiss.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 03:48:42 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/70006.html  "Chapter 75:  Mr. Coyote"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 04:05:12 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 03:01:51 pm
This was the third time it has come up, and each time Ennis has talked about it a little bit more. I think Ellery realizes that Ennis needs to ruminate on things. Having a conversation with Ennis is a process which takes time...lots and lots of time....

L

Hee, hee Leslie... Ennis is a regular ol' cow in that regard... or maybe a giraffe would be a better example. (both being species that ruminate)

I do like how the conversation is developing. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 05:02:43 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/70341.html  "Chapter 76:  A Call in the Night"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 10, 2006, 06:02:11 pm
Spoiler…




Another great chapter Louise!  Ellery’s pain broke my heart.  :'(  He was really messed up by his first love.  The little bit symphony I held for Beagle because of the way their conversation ended is gone.  That was nasty for him to call.  On the other hand, couldn’t be any more proud of how Ennis calmed Ellery down and cared for him.  I was concerned that Ennis was going to explode over Ellery’s reaction too. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 06:03:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 10, 2006, 05:02:43 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/70341.html  "Chapter 76:  A Call in the Night"
Very minimal spoiling -

Warning everyone: humdinger of a chapter, may need back up emotional support. (I did.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 10, 2006, 06:07:35 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 10, 2006, 06:02:11 pm
Spoiler…




Another great chapter Louise!  Ellery’s pain broke my heart.  :'(  He was really messed up by his first love.  The little bit symphony I held for Beagle because of the way their conversation ended is gone.  That was nasty for him to call.  On the other hand, couldn’t be any more proud of how Ennis calmed Ellery down and cared for him.  I was concerned that Ennis was going to explode over Ellery’s reaction too. 


they must have a rule... only one of them can explode at a time!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 10, 2006, 06:10:46 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 10, 2006, 06:07:35 pm
they must have a rule... only one of them can explode at a time!

That's a good rule.  Only if people can stick with the rule, because it's hard. :)  Good for Ennis to have his emotion under control.  They can deal with the aftermath tomorrow.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 06:11:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 10, 2006, 06:07:35 pm
they must have a rule... only one of them can explode at a time!

but sometimes they explode simultaneously... :o   (or near to it, at least)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 06:11:57 pm
Folks!

We only got like 8 posts to go  before we get to 1000!!  :o
Ok..gotta prepare something for that!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 10, 2006, 06:14:55 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 06:11:07 pm
but sometimes they explode simultaneously... :o   (or near to it, at least)

What are you talking about, nB?  ::)
 ;D

For the record, I was talking about a different kind of explosion.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 06:30:01 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 10, 2006, 06:14:55 pm
For the record, I was talking about a different kind of explosion.  ;)
oh.......... i see........ :P

you weren't talking about guns goin' off?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 07:17:34 pm
The last chapter...hiss, boo, grr....to a certain f***r l***r (trying not to give too much away here).

I wanted a picture of a flying phone...this was the best I could do. Ellery in a moment of pique? Sorry, doesn't really look really pissed...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/newstock_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 07:25:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 07:17:34 pm
The last chapter...hiss, boo, grr....to a certain f***r l***r (trying not to give too much away here).

I wanted a picture of a flying phone...this was the best I could do. Ellery in a moment of pique? Sorry, doesn't really look really pissed...

Leslie, thank you for not giving away much there.  :P
I haven't read today's chapters yet.
I am really starting to wonder now ... Can't wait!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 10, 2006, 07:28:39 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 07:17:34 pm

I wanted a picture of a flying phone...this was the best I could do. Ellery in a moment of pique? Sorry, doesn't really look really pissed...


Too funny, Leslie! My heart aches for Ellery, and I'm sooo proud of Ennis. He came through with flying colors once again, didn't he?

I think we may actually reach 1000 posts this very day. What do you think?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 10, 2006, 07:30:37 pm
Ellery is right to be angry.  Bruce seems to think there is still a relationship.  He is a spoiled brat.  He knows who owns the bar.  If nothing else, Rudy would have told him.  I suspect Rudy also told him who Ennis is, in their conversation together before they went upstairs. Good old Ennis.  How dependable, how reliable.  Would we all could have someone like him in ours lives.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 07:31:30 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 10, 2006, 07:28:39 pm
I think we may actually reach 1000 posts this very day. What do you think?

Well, I'll give it a nudge!  ;D
I feel like celebrating something ...  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 07:34:53 pm
1000 Posts Y'all!  :D  :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/enn_ell_1000.jpg)


And, we all got a postcard from Ennis and Ellery!
I wish Louise was here now!  :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/old_Lmie2.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/old_Lmie2_back.jpg)



WooHoo!!    ;D :D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 10, 2006, 07:39:29 pm
Yee Hawww!

This is quite a milestone for our E&E thread.

Everybody have a sip of Glenfiddle (even if it's imaginary) and dedicate it to Ennis and Ellery!

Here's to Ennis Del Mar and Ellery Cantrell!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 07:42:03 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 10, 2006, 07:39:29 pm
Yee Hawww!

This is quite a milestone for our E&E thread.

Everybody have a sip of Glenfiddle (even if it's imaginary) and dedicate it to Ennis and Ellery!

Here's to Ennis Del Mar and Ellery Cantrell!

Amen to that!  ;D


(http://www.limbueytor.com/upload/Glenfiddich.jpg)


And Biscuits and Chili for all!   :P :D

(http://www.maryjanesfarm.com/PFOShop/Assets/images/buttermilk-biscuits.jpg)

(http://www.soybean.com/y2kmeal8.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 10, 2006, 07:58:09 pm

Possible *very minor spoiler* ahead regarding chapter 73 of Second Chance



I can just picture Edna with a twinkle in her eye, shaking her finger at Ennis,

And I can HEAR her saying,

   "You tell that boy you love him! You know you do!"

            *chuckling*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 08:26:31 pm
Well, what a postcard, what a celebration...love the glenfiddle, chili and biscuits. What more can we add?....hmmmm

I thought fireworks? No.... Champagne? No.... Then I realized, Ennis and Ellery need to learn there is something other (nicer) than Vaseline in the world...and yes, they sell it at the drugstore. No plain brown wrappers for this. So in honor of our 1000 post milestone, maybe Ennis and Ellery will get to enjoy....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/9043193N.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 10, 2006, 08:35:15 pm
Leslie, Lucise.  How do I print the wonderful picture you have been posting?  I don't want to print anything else.  I would like to have the Gallery, et al., neatly ensconced in a folder.  By the way, I guess I am getting hooked on HJ, but I wish he would shave!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 08:39:58 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 10, 2006, 08:35:15 pm
Leslie, Lucise.  How do I print the wonderful picture you have been posting?  I don't want to print anything else.  I would like to have the Gallery, et al., neatly ensconced in a folder.  By the way, I guess I am getting hooked on HJ, but I wish he would shave!

Scudder...

Try putting your mouse over the picture, right click, and on the menu that comes up, select "save image as." Save it to the folder you have already created for all your Ennis and Ellery erotica...oh, sorry, ...images....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 08:56:28 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 08:26:31 pm

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/9043193N.jpg)


Great 1000 post gift for the boys Leslie!  ;D


Quote from: scudder on July 10, 2006, 08:35:15 pm
Leslie, Lucise.  How do I print the wonderful picture you have been posting?  I don't want to print anything else.  I would like to have the Gallery, et al., neatly ensconced in a folder.  By the way, I guess I am getting hooked on HJ, but I wish he would shave!

What Leslie said about the saving!
About Ellery shaving, I'll see if I can do it for him!  :P

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 10, 2006, 09:00:44 pm
You just gotta love Photoshop!      ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 09:07:24 pm
I've been wondering when the Astroglide was going to get introduced! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 09:10:05 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 09:07:24 pm
I've been wondering when the Astroglide was going to get introduced! 


Let's hope Louise takes the hint!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 09:11:05 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 10, 2006, 09:00:44 pm
You just gotta love Photoshop!      ;D

And what this tells me, David, is that men and women aren't all that different after all....

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 09:14:59 pm
Okay, so I am surfing along, looking for a picture of a silk blindfold to add to the gallery, and I come across this little essay...we've been discussing things here as a community, maybe this will open a new avenue of discussion? From my own experience, I would agree with this....In particular, I think the second paragraph may relate to Ennis and Ellery.
----------------------

The art of being restrained is the art of trust. Trusting that whoever is in power will not abuse the trust given: this is the beginning of the exciting journey of bondage. The thrill of being tied up and the person of your choice administrating their chosen pleasures on to your body can be an overwhelming experience of joy. When restrained there is no choice other than to surrender to pleasure.

Not many people realise that not only is bondage sensual, it can also be a powerful tool in healing sexual scars. Bondage can give you a deep insight into your or your lover’s fears and be a key to unlock them. Being engaged in the art of restraint puts you or your lover in and out of control. Taking turns with control is powerful. Bondage can open avenues of communication and can be a very caring experience that brings you closer together.

Exploring one sense at a time while restricting the others will allow you to explore every crevice of your own and your lover’s private world. When blindfolded, a whisper in the ear can make skin shudder in delight. The excitement, the sheer anticipation, is wildly erotic. Sound becomes amplified. Touch becomes electric as you fall helplessly into your own world and your senses turn into pure pleasure.
   

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 09:17:40 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 09:14:59 pm
Okay, so I am surfing along, looking for a picture of a silk blindfold to add to the gallery, and I come across this little essay...we've been discussing things here as a community, maybe this will open a new avenue of discussion? From my own experience, I would agree with this....In particular, I think the second paragraph may relate to Ennis and Ellery.
----------------------

Leslie - I found a silk something .. I have a few props to add too!
Looks like we'll be updating the gallery soon again!  ;)


Scudder, Ellery ran off and shaved ..just for you!  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/enn_ell3.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2006, 09:24:06 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 10, 2006, 07:30:37 pm
Ellery is right to be angry.  Bruce seems to think there is still a relationship.  He is a spoiled brat.  He knows who owns the bar.  If nothing else, Rudy would have told him.  I suspect Rudy also told him who Ennis is, in their conversation together before they went upstairs. Good old Ennis.  How dependable, how reliable.  Would we all could have someone like him in ours lives.

And he has been a spoiled brat all his life. Good for calling him on this, Scudder! I mean, he spent a good portion of his freshman year drunk; he walks away from college and expects Dad to fix it all with a shotgun wediding; 20 years later, dad is still trying to fix it. How much more spoiled do you get than that? And then, having the nerve (yes, he was drunk and stoned, but still, somewhere in his brain he had one functional nerve) to call Ellery at 1 am ....jeez, I hate men like this, and I have met more than a few in my life....

Grrr, hiss, booo, to Beagle...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 10, 2006, 09:55:59 pm
Thanks Leslie for the directions.  I'll wait till Lucise updates the Gallery, and also, I don't like to do important stuff like this after a few sundowners!

OK!  I'm hooked, Lucise.  HJ shaved is my man!

Thanks for the picture Kissing by Rodin, David.  Where could I get a copy?

Leslie,  Bruce not only is a spoiled brat, but I think he is trying to get back together with Ellery!  What impertinence!  What hutzpah! What cheek!  Go home Bruce and get a life.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 10:02:53 pm
Scudder,
I am updating the gallery in a lil while ..
I am just putting everything together now ... ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 11:33:33 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 10, 2006, 09:55:59 pm

OK!  I'm hooked, Lucise.  HJ shaved is my man!


Woohoo!  Another HJ convert!  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ10_bw_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 11:35:03 pm
Okay, time to move on to a new page for our updated Galleries ...  ;)


----------->>>>
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 11:36:31 pm
GALLERY Update ...  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/Sburst.gif)    The LARAMIE SAGA Cast GALLERY thus far:


The lads who started it all:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jack_ennis.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jack_ennis2.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/enn2-1.jpg)


The Chief Deputy Sheriff, Ellery Cantrell:  :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_HJ.jpg)


Ennis & Ellery:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_9.jpg)


Wayne:

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)


Gene:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/gene.jpg)


Carol (On and Off Duty)  ;D

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6IMdaFEw84AIQyjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13jo10kp5/EXP=1151518348/**http%3a//www.yolocountysheriff.com/myweb5/Sheriff%2520Final/images/command%2520staff/penny-sm.jpg)   (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000BB461C.01-A380UA15JJJ6B2._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)  OR   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/naat.jpg)


Joe "Round's a Shape" Tooey ..   :)

(http://www.vmi.edu/resources/images/Auxilliary%20Services/Police/PP_Edward_Matheny.jpg)


Bill

(http://www.geocities.com/concreteangels2003/images/tony.jpg)


Wes & Edna

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shff-1.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/edn.jpg)


Dupree:   (On and Off Duty)  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/dpre.jpg)

(http://www.lonestarsteve.com/photos/lying_on_sofa.jpg)



Amos Marigold

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/attorney.jpg)


Jim

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shtls.jpg)


Beagle (Before & Now)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/breakfast2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bgle.jpg)


Nate, the radiator repairman

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiTo5KNEv3gA5LejzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12okedfbv/EXP=1151678056/**http%3a//images.richmond.com/images/storyimage/3-21-02cooter_story.jpg) 


At the Red Stallion: Left to right:  Rudy, Leon, Lang

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The Worrells:  Judge Evinrude and Justin 

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Alma & Curt 

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Ben Tooey 

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Jess

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Eagleton, Sr. 

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.. to be continued ...


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 10, 2006, 11:39:24 pm
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TOP 3 Props IMO …   ;)

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Ennis and Ellery Diet

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Ellery's Wardrobe

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Ennis' Newer WardRobe

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Ennis & Ellery Bedroom props  8)

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And biscuits, burnt or not:

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Misc.


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Ennis & Ellery Home & Transport

Ellery's car:

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Ennis' wheels:

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Ennis & Ellery Home:

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Birdfeeders:

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HORSE Gallery

Nellie

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Socks 

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Pal

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RECIPE Gallery


PUMPKIN WALNUT MUFFINS

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1/4 cup melted butter
1/4 cup applesauce
3/4 cup canned solid-pack pumpkin
1/4 cup well-shaken buttermilk
2 large eggs
3 tablespoons unsulfured molasses
1 teaspoon vanilla
1 cup all-purpose flour
1 cup white whole-wheat flour or all-purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
1/8 teaspoon freshly grated nutmeg
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon baking soda
3/4 cup packed brown sugar
3/4 cup chopped pitted dates (about 4 ounces)
3/4 cup finely chopped walnuts (about 3 ounces)

Preheat oven to 400° F. and grease twelve 1/2-cup muffin cups.

Melt butter and cool slightly. In a bowl whisk together butter, applesauce, pumpkin, buttermilk, eggs, molasses, and vanilla. Into a large bowl sift together flours, baking powder, spices, salt, and baking soda and whisk in brown sugar. Make a well in center of flour mixture and add pumpkin mixture, stirring just until combined. Stir in dates and divide batter among cups. Sprinkle walnuts evenly over batter in each cup and bake muffins in middle of oven 20 to 25 minutes, or until puffed and a tester comes out clean. Cool muffins in cups 5 minutes and turn out onto a rack. Serve muffins warm or at room temperature.

If you don't like (or are allergic) to nuts, these are just fine without the walnuts, too.

Makes 12 muffins.

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ALMA JUNIOR'S FUDGY CHOCOLATE CHUNK BROWNIES WITH WALNUTS

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1 cup (2 sticks) unsalted butter
8 ounces bittersweet (not unsweetened) or semisweet chocolate, chopped
3 ounces unsweetened chocolate, chopped

1/2 cup all purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup plus 2 tablespoons sugar
3 large eggs
3 1/4 teaspoons instant espresso powder or instant coffee powder
1 tablespoon vanilla extract
1 1/4 cups chopped toasted walnuts
6 ounces bittersweet (not unsweetened) or semisweet chocolate, coarsely chopped

Preheat oven to 350°F. Butter 13 x 9 x 2-inch glass baking dish. Melt first 3 ingredients in heavy medium saucepan over low heat, stirring until smooth. Remove from heat. Let cool 10 minutes.

Sift flour, baking powder and salt into medium bowl. Using electric mixer, beat sugar, eggs, espresso powder and vanilla in large bowl until blended. Add melted chocolate mixture and beat until smooth. Add dry ingredients and stir just until blended. Fold in walnuts and 6 ounces coarsely chopped chocolate.

Pour batter into prepared pan. Smooth top. Bake until top looks dry and tester inserted into center comes out with moist crumbs attached, about 30 minutes. Transfer pan to rack and cool completely. (Can be made 1 day ahead. Cover with foil and store at room temperature.) Cut brownies into squares and serve.

Makes about 15.

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EDNA'S QUICK AND EASY BISCUITS

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Many find that just one of these biscuits isn't enough. Fortunately, this quick recipe can easily be doubled.

2 cups all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon baking powder
1 teaspoon salt
3/4 stick (6 tablespoons) cold unsalted butter
3/4 cup heavy cream

Preheat oven to 425°F. and lightly grease a baking sheet.

Into a large bowl sift together flour, baking powder, and salt. Cut 5 tablespoons butter into bits and with your fingertips or a pastry blender blend into flour mixture until mixture resembles coarse meal. Add cream, stirring with a fork until just combined. Transfer mixture to a lightly floured surface and gently knead about 3 times until it just forms a dough. Pat dough into a 6 1/2-inch round (about 1/2 inch thick).

Using a 2 1/2-inch round cutter cut out biscuits and arrange about 1 inch apart on baking sheet. Gather and pat out scraps and cut out more biscuits.

Melt remaining tablespoon butter and lightly brush onto biscuits. Bake biscuits in middle of oven until pale golden and cooked through, about 20 minutes.

Makes about 6 biscuits.

Variations: Can make with milk instead of cream if you are worried about fat...but Edna never does. She knows Ellery likes the ones made with cream the best. And now Ennis is partial to them, too.

For cheese biscuits: add some grated cheese (sharp cheddar is best, but asiago works nicely, too)
Herb biscuits: a teaspoon or so of Italian seasoning is a nice touch, along with a clove or two of minced garlic.

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BEEF CHILI RECIPE:

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3 pounds lean beef (eye, top and bottom round are the leanest)
1 cup chopped green bell pepper
1 cup chopped onion
1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper
1 garlic clove, minced
1 tablespoon chili powder
1 1/4 teaspoons ground cumin
1 tablespoon brown sugar
1 1/2 teaspoons dried oregano
1 (28-ounce) can no salt added stewed tomatoes, undrained and chopped
1 (12-ounce) can no salt added tomato paste
1 (12-ounce) bottle light beer
2 (15-ounce) cans kidney beans, drained
Trim excess fat from beef and cut into 1/2 inch pieces. Spray a large stockpot with non-stick cooking spray and heat over medium-high heat until hot. Add half of the meat and cook until browned. Remove from heat and repeat with remaining meat.
Spray stockpot again with non-stick cooking spray and heat over medium heat. Add bell pepper, onion, red pepper, and garlic and sauté 5-6 minutes or until vegetables are tender. Return the cooked meat to the pot and add remaining ingredients. Bring to boil then reduce heat, cover and simmer for 1 hour or until meat is tender.
Makes 12 Servings
Serving Size: 12 ounces

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LOCAL ATTRACTIONS Gallery


If you are ever in Laramie, make sure to check out these local attractions:  :P


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to be continued ...
 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 11:55:51 pm
Lucise - the gallery update was fantastic!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 11, 2006, 12:21:06 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 11:55:51 pm
Lucise - the gallery update was fantastic!!!

Glad you are enjoying it nB!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 04:17:36 am
oh good lord, you folks were up all night with the thousand post party!!!!  And I was snoozing away.  Fortunately I didn't have nightmares last night... I don't know if I will be able to get any writing done during working hours but I will sure try!!!

Of course today my day was gladdened by positive comments by all of you readers and news of a new reader... always great to get new readers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 11, 2006, 07:22:02 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 10, 2006, 11:55:51 pm
Lucise - the gallery update was fantastic!!!

Oh I agree!! It's absolutely brilliant! I can't thank you enough!  :)
I love the recipe's too. It's a pity I'm such a lousy cook! LOL  ;D ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 07:41:13 am
hehehehe... you mean you won't be baking biscuits for Ennis and Ellery?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 11, 2006, 08:31:55 am
Quote from: louisev on July 11, 2006, 07:41:13 am
hehehehe... you mean you won't be baking biscuits for Ennis and Ellery?
Hell no Louise!!  ;D
Didn't do much cooking for H over the weekend either! Good thing for her too! *grin* LOL
Loved the drabbles  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 09:13:43 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/70517.html  "Chapter 77:  Getting Away"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 11, 2006, 09:34:25 am
Quote from: louisev on July 11, 2006, 09:13:43 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/70517.html  "Chapter 77:  Getting Away"
Squeeee!
I'm all caught up now!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 11, 2006, 09:53:27 am
Quote from: louisev on July 11, 2006, 09:13:43 am
Update to "A Second Chance"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/70517.html  "Chapter 77:  Getting Away"

Oh. My. Gosh. Where do you learn about this stuff, Louise?

*THUD*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 11, 2006, 11:18:33 am
Lucise, the gallery is great.  And Leslie, I figured out how to put them in My Pictures!  Now we have to figure out which Nate is the one.  I go with the first one, dark haired and older.  He looks like a mechanic to me,  What a wonderful story, and I am learning things they never taught me in medical school.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 11:21:03 am
Hey Scudder,

Good for you, all this new stuff you're learning. It is our mission to keep you young at heart in everyway...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 11, 2006, 11:33:37 am
Quote from: scudder on July 11, 2006, 11:18:33 am
Lucise, the gallery is great.  And Leslie, I figured out how to put them in My Pictures!  Now we have to figure out which Nate is the one.  I go with the first one, dark haired and older.  He looks like a mechanic to me, 

So I guess you have the entire gallery saved up now Scudder?  :)
I agree on your choice of Nate too!  Do we all agree on Nate?  :P


Quote from: Bigheart on July 11, 2006, 07:22:02 am
Oh I agree!! It's absolutely brilliant! I can't thank you enough!  :)
I love the recipe's too. It's a pity I'm such a lousy cook! LOL  ;D ::)

No thanks necessary BigHeart!  It's all for the love of E & E ! 

More pix for our gallery are always welcome folks!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 11:37:13 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 11, 2006, 11:33:37 am

I agree on your choice of Nate too!  Do we all agree on Nate?  :P


I still like blond Nate, myself...the one in the Dawson's Garage baseball cap.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 11:38:08 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 11, 2006, 09:53:27 am
Oh. My. Gosh. Where do you learn about this stuff, Louise?

*THUD*

I ain't tellin.  That'd give it all away.  Leslie will tell you that I was online and in heavy discussion with her and Judy earlier today before I posted this, and they made some very helpful suggestions.  I was quite concerned that this chapter might freak out you the reader... but so far all I have heard is thuds.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 11:38:57 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/70797.html  "Chapter 78:  Alone"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 11, 2006, 11:57:28 am
Thanks, Louise!

That chapter 78 "Alone" is a very beautiful gift you have given us.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 11, 2006, 03:06:34 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 11, 2006, 11:38:08 am
I ain't tellin.  That'd give it all away.  Leslie will tell you that I was online and in heavy discussion with her and Judy earlier today before I posted this, and they made some very helpful suggestions.  I was quite concerned that this chapter might freak out you the reader... but so far all I have heard is thuds.

Ok, I need to move on from Chapter 40 PDQ!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 03:07:07 pm
Thanks Fred, have another!

Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71056.html  "Chapter 79:  Tender Moments"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 03:17:13 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 11, 2006, 03:06:34 pm
Ok, I need to move on from Chapter 40 PDQ!   :)

Helen, we are in the Fanfiction chat!  I hope you will come and visit!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 11, 2006, 04:42:43 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 11, 2006, 03:07:07 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71056.html  "Chapter 79:  Tender Moments"

Possible SPOILERS ...
*
*
*
*
*
*

Louise, the last few chapters have been amazing!
Chapter 79 was just so special ...
I loved their little commitment ceremony, and to think that Ennis initiated it!  :D
As I read their vows to each other, I was reminded of the scene in A Love Borne from Steel by our very own Leslie here, where Jack and Ennis were at the fair in Quanah and decided to buy each other rings, putting it on each other's hands and saying simply: "That's it".  Seems very simple, but to them, it was like a wedding!

With Ennis saying: “To us. You belongin ta me, an me belongin ta you.” and Ellery replying: “To me belongin ta you, an you belongin ta me,” - they have essentially wed in my eyes!

Here's a toast to E & E:  :-*

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 04:56:00 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71371.html  "Chapter 80:  Boss"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 11, 2006, 05:14:38 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 11, 2006, 04:56:00 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71371.html  "Chapter 80:  Boss"


Interesting chapter Louise!  Way to go Ennis!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 11, 2006, 05:22:31 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 11, 2006, 03:06:34 pm
Ok, I need to move on from Chapter 40 PDQ!   :)
Yep you most certainly need to keep on reading!! Fast! *grin*  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 11, 2006, 05:23:44 pm
Possible SPOILERS ...


I got a couple a things ta say, an yer just gonna have ta take em as gospel cause Ellery ain’t comin down here ta repeat em for ya.

:)  Ennis is pretty good at being a boss.  And the end with Wayne was hilarious.  If Wayne didn’t catch Ennis at a bad moment, it would be an interesting conversation. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 11, 2006, 05:26:32 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 11, 2006, 05:14:38 pm

Interesting chapter Louise!  Way to go Ennis!  :D

Milli, 

I see you figure out how to read the story while at work. :)  I was wondering how come you can edit and post those pictures at work, but not reading the story. 
I just cut and paste them in a Word document and pretent that I am working.  :P   Don't tell anyone, ok?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 05:51:30 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 11, 2006, 04:42:43 pm

As I read their vows to each other, I was reminded of the scene in A Love Born from Steel by our very own Leslie here, where Jack and Ennis were at the fair in Quanah and decided to buy each other rings, putting it on each other's hands and saying simply: "That's it".  Seems very simple, but to them, it was like a wedding!


Thanks for the great compliment, Milli, one of my favorite scenes in the whole story, to be honest. Just a few points of clarification...they didn't decide to buy the rings until after they were on their fingers...it was more of a spontaneous thing. And they each put their own ring on (ie, Jack put his on his own right hand ring finger). When Jack put his on, Ennis reached over and touched it and said "That's it," then Jack did the same thing for Ennis. If anyone feels like re-living this moment, here is the chapter:

http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/7490.html (http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/7490.html)

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 05:51:52 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 11, 2006, 05:22:31 pm
Yep you most certainly need to keep on reading!! Fast! *grin*  :D

hee hee!  uh oh, Helen is catching up!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 11, 2006, 06:09:11 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 11, 2006, 04:42:43 pm
Possible SPOILERS ...
*
*
*
*
*
*

Louise, the last few chapters have been amazing!
Chapter 79 was just so special ...
I loved their little commitment ceremony, and to think that Ennis initiated it!  :D
As I read their vows to each other, I was reminded of the scene in A Love Borne from Steel by our very own Leslie here, where Jack and Ennis were at the fair in Quanah and decided to buy each other rings, putting it on each other's hands and saying simply: "That's it".  Seems very simple, but to them, it was like a wedding!

With Ennis saying: “To us. You belongin ta me, an me belongin ta you.” and Ellery replying: “To me belongin ta you, an you belongin ta me,” - they have essentially wed in my eyes!

Here's a toast to E & E:  :-*





how very very sweet Lucise.  I am glad the angst of the past two days led to some definite resolution and we can all breathe a momentary sigh of relief.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 11, 2006, 06:11:59 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 11, 2006, 05:26:32 pm
Milli, 

I see you figure out how to read the story while at work. :)  I was wondering how come you can edit and post those pictures at work, but not reading the story. 
I just cut and paste them in a Word document and pretent that I am working.  :P   Don't tell anyone, ok?

Hehe Jenny.
I dont edit most pictures at work, simply because I dont have my paint program here.
But other simpler stuff, I can do while at work.
Also, I choose not to read the E&E updates at work because I like to do that at home with a nice glass of wine!  ;)
But today was different!  It's been abit slow too!  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 11, 2006, 06:14:21 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 05:51:30 pm
Thanks for the great compliment, Milli, one of my favorite scenes in the whole story, to be honest. Just a few points of clarification...they didn't decide to buy the rings until after they were on their fingers...it was more of a spontaneous thing. And they each put their own ring on (ie, Jack put his on his own right hand ring finger). When Jack put his on, Ennis reached over and touched it and said "That's it," then Jack did the same thing for Ennis. If anyone feels like re-living this moment, here is the chapter:

http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/7490.html (http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/7490.html)

Leslie

Oh Leslie, I have the entire 'A Love Born from Steel' series printed out   ;), so I can go back and read that chapter.
Thanks for correcting my mistakes there ... 8)
When I was reading Chapter 79, that scene came to mind!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 11, 2006, 06:18:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 11, 2006, 06:09:11 pm
how very very sweet Lucise.  I am glad the angst of the past two days led to some definite resolution and we can all breathe a momentary sigh of relief.

Err..Louise, is the keyword there: momentary?   :)
I am just happy to see Ellery calming down a little, although we all know he is not over it yet!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 07:00:20 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 11, 2006, 06:14:21 pm
Oh Leslie, I have the entire 'A Love Born from Steel' series printed out   ;), so I can go back and read that chapter.
Thanks for correcting my mistakes there ... 8)
When I was reading Chapter 79, that scene came to mind!



Hey Lucise...

My ulterior motive was to get Louise to read that chapter...I know she hasn't gotten that far yet. Hint, hint, Louise are you listening?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 11, 2006, 07:06:43 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 11:37:13 am
I still like blond Nate, myself...the one in the Dawson's Garage baseball cap.
L

Well,  the Blonde young Nate is the one whose tool I'd prefer,  but the older Nate strikes me more as the unappealing one from the story.  More of a good ol boy mechanic.   I think the point was that he was an unlikely person to be gay in Laramie.  Thats why Ennis was upset by his advances.    The hunky blonde Nate wouls have made Ennis blush as he got upset.  LOL.

So Older Nate is my choice for the story.   Young blonde Nate needs to get over to my house ASAP!    he he he!   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 07:08:47 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 11, 2006, 07:06:43 pm
Well,  the Blonde young Nate is the one whose tool I'd prefer,  but the older Nate strikes me more as the unappealing one from the story.  More of a good ol boy mechanic.   I think the point was that he was an unlikely person to be gay in Laramie.  Thats why Ennis was upset by his advances.    The hunky blonde Nate wouls have made Ennis blush as he got upset.  LOL.

So Older Nate is my choice for the story.   Young blonde Nate needs to get over to my house ASAP!    he he he!   

Watch the movie for a good eyeful of young blond Nate. "Adventures in Babysitting." It has a lot of first-time performances of folks who went on to bigger and better things...one of my all time favorite teen movies.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 11, 2006, 07:25:55 pm
Hi Leslie!

      Hmm,   I'll have to watch for that on TV.  The older Nate is actually "Cooter" the mechanic from the TV series the Dukes of Hazzard.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 07:27:34 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 11, 2006, 07:25:55 pm
Hi Leslie!

      Hmm,   I'll have to watch for that on TV.  The older Nate is actually "Cooter" the mechanic from the TV series the Dukes of Hazzard.



Blond Nate is Vincent D'Onofrio who was in the Salton Sea and a regular on some TV series, I believe. This was his first big role (and it wasn't that big, but he was memorable in his time on screen).

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 11, 2006, 07:27:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 11, 2006, 04:56:00 pm
http://louisev.livejournal.com/71371.html  "Chapter 80:  Boss"

SPOILER:


    Why do I have the feeling that we haven't seen the last of Bruce Eagleton Jr.???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 11, 2006, 08:25:27 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 11, 2006, 07:27:54 pm
SPOILER:


    Why do I have the feeling that we haven't seen the last of Bruce Eagleton Jr.???

I sincerely hope we have heard the last of him! After all, he lives in Jackson, many hours and hundreds of miles away. His behavior is bordering on stalking. His father is a respected attorney who has a career and reputation to preserve. He is now his father's problem, not Ellery's. Ennis and Wes are fully capable of getting a restraining order against him if necessary. So I'm hoping his father will deal with him as he has over and over. If he doesn't, then the father, too, is being irresponsible.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 11, 2006, 08:32:01 pm
**** SPOILER ALERT ****

If you aren't current in reading (through chapter 80) please skip this post.

With beautiful words of mutual commitment, we have a milestone in chapter 79.

With the help of Louise and Leslie, I've compiled a list of some of the conversations that have led up to this blessed event:


from A Second Chance chapter 22

“I think of us as partners, Ennis. An partners is… partners. I ain’t got nobody but you, an I want ta share my life with you, an that means sharin what I got.”


from A Second Chance chapter 68

“You are one fiercely possessive man, Ennis. I think I like it.”

“Ya do?”

Ellery put the palm of his hand on Ennis’ sweaty chest. “I ain’t never felt like this about anyone, sweetheart. I want... I want us ta be together like this, like partners. Like... a real married couple.”

“Yeah, ya mentioned....” Ennis replied, the color on his face deepening.

“What a you think about that?”

“I think.... I think I want it too.”

“I love you, Ennis, I love ya like life itself.” Ellery’s grey eyes swam with tears. Ennis leaned in and pressed his lips against his.

“I love ya too darlin. Like life itself.”


from A Second Chance chapter 78

“He lost out when he left you all that long ago. Yer mine now.”

Ellery smiled. “I like bein yers, ya know that?”

“That makes two of us. C’mere.”


from A Second Chance chapter 79:

“We need a drink.”

“An a smoke. You stay there.”

Ennis padded out to the front room, returning with the cigars and the bottle of Glenfiddich and a single glass.

“One glass?”

“We’re celebratin,” Ennis said.

“What are we celebratin?”

“You an me, boy. Ennis an Ellery.” He lighted the cigar, puffed on it, and leaned over, offering it to Ellery, who took it between his lips. Then he poured a shot of scotch and lifted it. “To us. You belongin ta me, an me belongin ta you.” He took a sip, and handed it to Ellery, who took a sip from it as he handed the cigar back.

“To me belongin ta you, an you belongin ta me,” he repeated, gulping down the fiery liquid, handing the cigar back to Ennis, who took a puff on it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 08:45:32 pm
SPOILER ALERT

NC 17 PROPS AHEAD
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Lucise...two new additions to the prop gallery...thanks, Leslie, PropMistress

Oh...you're wondering about the blue one? Ummm, that will come up later.....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/TG348060.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/t-tpc-1084.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 11, 2006, 09:03:48 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 08:45:32 pm
SPOILER ALERT

NC 17 PROPS AHEAD

Hehe..duly noted Leslie! 
Looks like Mr Coyote will be getting more ..umm..adventurous in the very near future!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 09:09:00 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 11, 2006, 09:03:48 pm
Hehe..duly noted Leslie! 
Looks like Mr Coyote will be getting more ..umm..adventurous in the very near future!  ;)

We can only hope.... ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 04:31:12 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 11, 2006, 06:18:26 pm
Err..Louise, is the keyword there: momentary?   :)
I am just happy to see Ellery calming down a little, although we all know he is not over it yet!

key word is momentary, yes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 04:32:19 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 11, 2006, 07:00:20 pm
Hey Lucise...

My ulterior motive was to get Louise to read that chapter...I know she hasn't gotten that far yet. Hint, hint, Louise are you listening?

L

oh yes, but it depends on whether I ought to listen to you and go read, or listen to all of the other readers, and go write.  I have to choose, see?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 04:34:54 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 11, 2006, 09:03:48 pm
Hehe..duly noted Leslie! 
Looks like Mr Coyote will be getting more ..umm..adventurous in the very near future!  ;)

oh my goodness me! Here I thought I had pushed the envelope to the max!  MORE adventurous? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 06:35:15 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 04:32:19 am
oh yes, but it depends on whether I ought to listen to you and go read, or listen to all of the other readers, and go write.  I have to choose, see?

Well, right now, since you can't chat, you can use that extra time for reading and still have time for writing. Oh...right, you have to work, too, don't you?   ;D

Hmmph. I am NOT happy about this chat development. Let's see what happens...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 06:46:21 am
yes, unfortunately, one of the bad pieces of code that we were searching for - was mine.  That's over, but now I have to write a new patch.

Damn!  And yeah don't it just sting when they expect you to work for a living?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 07:16:15 am
Y'know, Louise, you've been here with us through the 1000 posts milestone, you are in the Brokeback Got Me Good Club...I really think it's time for an avatar.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 07:33:49 am
I'll work on that.

I hope this meets with everyone's approval.     ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 07:37:27 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 07:33:49 am
I'll work on that.

LOL, that was one of the ones I was picturing...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 07:40:50 am
Louise - that avatar of yours is just doiwnright spooky...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 07:47:03 am
Helen!  Did you read 40 chapters of "A Second Chance" last night?  I was stunned!!!!

Have a doughboy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 07:52:47 am
Yes I did, and when I got to chapter 80 (sorry, I lagged off commenting after a while...)  I was wondering where the next chapter was!

Can't believe I'm up to date *grin*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 07:58:43 am
One bad thing about being up-to-date is that you spend a lot of time hanging on tenterhooks waiting for the next installment. I remember the good old days when I discoverd Taking Chances...at that point Louise had something like 70 chapters written.

And David--David, who spent three solid days immersed in this story getting "caught up." He deserves some sort of prize!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:00:29 am
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 07:52:47 am
Yes I did, and when I got to chapter 80 (sorry, I lagged off commenting after a while...)  I was wondering where the next chapter was!

Can't believe I'm up to date *grin*

I can't believe you lapped that all up so quickly, Helen!  *still astonished*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 08:04:06 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:00:29 am
I can't believe you lapped that all up so quickly, Helen!  *still astonished*

It had to be done!  You were on Chapter 65 or something over the weekend and when i got back to the UK it was 80!  I needed to just hunker down and read.

I dread to think how many chapters I'll have to catch up on when I get back from the States :)


Hey - and looky look!  Thank god I'm not a tourist any more :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:06:29 am
Okay all of you UptoDate!SecondChance readers,

point for discussion.  Last night a reader mentioned how adventurous the sex had gotten with new NC17!Toys etc, and my question is... did Ellery bring Ennis too far along the path of kinky sex?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 08:10:21 am
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 08:04:06 am
It had to be done!  You were on Chapter 65 or something over the weekend and when i got back to the UK it was 80!  I needed to just hunker down and read.

I dread to think how many chapters I'll have to catch up on when I get back from the States :)


Hey - and looky look!  Thank god I'm not a tourist any more :)

Before you know it, Helen, you'll be in the 1000+ posts club and for that, they give you a statue, secret handshake and password. Although they are getting stingy with the statues and I had to share mine. And I am still waiting on the Ennis and Ellery version! David...are you working on that?

Oh...you want to see my statue? Here 'tis....

(http://www.cool-pix.de/pix321/00001235.jpg)

As for your US trip, buy a laptop. There is wifi everywhere. I couldn't live without my computer under my arm....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 08:12:12 am
You know who we don't have in the Galley? Lauren! He's key, how did we miss him? I picture Lauren as cute and sweet...who would be a suitable candidate?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:15:36 am
good lord!  we forgot Lauren!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 08:19:44 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:15:36 am
good lord!  we forgot Lauren!

I actually mentioned him a couple of times, but he kept getting lost in the shuffle. David is the one with all the pictures of hunky guys...he must be going through his files right now. David, are you listening?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:27:26 am
we dont want to get too dreamy over Lauren. When I get home I need to look up the description.  He is as I recall, rather scrawny.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 08:30:17 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:06:29 am
Okay all of you UptoDate!SecondChance readers,

point for discussion.  Last night a reader mentioned how adventurous the sex had gotten with new NC17!Toys etc, and my question is... did Ellery bring Ennis too far along the path of kinky sex?

Well it's certainly getting um interesting.  But hey, you're pushing the boundaries, and that's not a bad thing.  And who decides what is too much and what is not, anyway?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 08:31:26 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 08:10:21 am
Before you know it, Helen, you'll be in the 1000+ posts club and for that, they give you a statue, secret handshake and password. Although they are getting stingy with the statues and I had to share mine. And I am still waiting on the Ennis and Ellery version! David...are you working on that?

Hee I don't think so.  I don't have a lot of time for the internet anymore....but hey, nice staue!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 12, 2006, 08:33:48 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:06:29 am
Did Ellery bring Ennis too far along the path of kinky sex?

I'm one whose eyes bugged out just a bit at the new toys; but then, I've had one partner for 35 years, and I'm probably less adventurous (and experienced?) than many of your readers. Although there was a time early on when we tried quite a few tricks, I have to admit I'm getting a real education here. In the context of a loving and fulfilling relationship, just about anything goes. You have been introducing Ennis to a lot of new ideas that he has readily accepted; however, I think it would be implausible for him to feel comfortable if more new things just kept coming at him. Give him (or maybe just me!) time to adjust to one thing before introducing another -- at least a couple of chapters!

Edit: I am also brand-spanking-new to slash fiction, having discovered it after watching BBM. So I'm just a rookie here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 08:34:41 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:27:26 am
we dont want to get too dreamy over Lauren. When I get home I need to look up the description.  He is as I recall, rather scrawny.

Aren't you the woman who made "skinny the new sexy" Louise? Lauren doesn't have to be a dreamboat, but he is cute....I picture 5'8", brown hair, brown eyes, thin (do we have to go all the way to scrawny?).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:44:46 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 12, 2006, 08:33:48 am
I'm one whose eyes bugged out just a bit at the new toys; but then, I've had one partner for 35 years, and I'm probably less adventurous (and experienced?) than many of your readers. Although there was a time early on when we tried quite a few tricks, I have to admit I'm getting a real education here. In the context of a loving and fulfilling relationship, just about anything goes. You have been introducing Ennis to a lot of new ideas that he has readily accepted; however, I think it would be implausible for him to feel comfortable if more new things just kept coming at him. Give him (or maybe just me!) time to adjust to one thing before introducing another -- at least a couple of chapters!

Edit: I am also brand-spanking-new to slash fiction, having discovered it after watching BBM. So I'm just a rookie here.

I did let it slip in chat the other day that the last time Ennis fished around in the toy drawer was going to be about where we stop in the toy department.  It wasn't my intent to explore all the new ways and means of getting kinky, but for Ennis to find himself with a man who enjoys a little of the wild side of life and bring out the natural dominance in Ennis's nature.  So the "more new things "that will be coming at him will be more on the relationship level than the sex toys.... I am asking about where we have got to for now, because I did get a mite concerned about the readers.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:45:36 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 08:34:41 am
Aren't you the woman who made "skinny the new sexy" Louise? Lauren doesn't have to be a dreamboat, but he is cute....I picture 5'8", brown hair, brown eyes, thin (do we have to go all the way to scrawny?).

5' 8' probably would do it.  But when I get my documents in hand I can look for what I did say about Lauren.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 12, 2006, 08:56:05 am
Louise, I have really enjoyed the play between Ennis and Ellery, and you've handled it beautifully. I'm comfortable with where you've taken Ennis/me on this journey. Your fidelity to Ennis' character makes it easy to believe as he tries new things, both sexually and emotionally. You are staying true to the vision of a healing Ennis. And now he is helping Ellery heal as well. I am loving this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 09:00:26 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 08:10:21 am
Oh...you want to see my statue? Here 'tis....

(http://www.cool-pix.de/pix321/00001235.jpg)

Heee heee!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 09:04:24 am
Louise! You have an avatar!
 Hehehe, didnt want to use any of the sex toys I guess!! LOL  ;D ;D - god this grinning little cowboy smilie is really weird and the laughing one! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 09:08:46 am
you little minx you!  doughboys are so much more sensual!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 09:16:23 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:44:46 am
I did let it slip in chat the other day that the last time Ennis fished around in the toy drawer was going to be about where we stop in the toy department.  It wasn't my intent to explore all the new ways and means of getting kinky, but for Ennis to find himself with a man who enjoys a little of the wild side of life and bring out the natural dominance in Ennis's nature.  So the "more new things "that will be coming at him will be more on the relationship level than the sex toys.... I am asking about where we have got to for now, because I did get a mite concerned about the readers.

I think all of the exploration between Ennis and Ellery has been done in a very appropriate and mutually consenting way so even though it may be fast, in one way, it hasn't been forced. The only time that Ennis seemed to think any of it was sort of weird was the buttplug and that seemed to be that Ellery was meeting some personal need that Ennis didn't fully understand--at first--but even that, by the end of the day, Ennis seemed to be accepting and comfortable with. (Ellery even acknowledged this when he said, "You might think I've gone nuts...")

Given that everything Ennis and Ellery have done, I have done (except the ping pong paddle) with my partner of 29+ years, I don't see any of it as kinky, since I don't see myself as kinky. But who knows if that is the right yardstick to be measuring against? Maybe I am way out on the fringe and I just don't realize it. I don't think, so, though. I did used to read alt.rec.sex and related newsgroups, after all, back in the day.

I do think that exploring relationships will be fun for you to write, Louise, and fun for us to read. This is one thing that Ennis has never had. I know people disagree with this view, but I believe that Jack and Ennis did not have a relationship. Yes, they were in love and yes, they got together, but a relationship entails the day-to-day and building a life. Ennis didn't have one with Alma, either, for all intents and purposes. So...exploring this with Ellery will be an interesting journey.

Typing this has made me think...those who are so adamantly opposed to movingon!Ennis fics...they seem to have a whole lot of reasons, none of which are particularly rational to me. I wonder if another might be that they don't to believe or accept that Ennis is actually capable of entering in, sustaining, and growing in a relationship? Hmmm....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 09:37:03 am
Very good comments, Leslie, and to a great extent I agree with you.  While I do not doubt Ennis loved Jack deeply... and have tried as best I can to portray not only his love but the depth of his loss... a relationship is an entirely different animal, and it is something that occurs in a daily living situation (or at least in the course of regular contact.)  That regular contact is necessary for a relationship to develop, and for relationship dynamics to emerge.

Where I want to go with the saga is further into where it will take two men who have never had a sustained daily relationship of any depth (Ennis because of his life being so separated from Jack, and Ellery because he never found someone suitable), when they find themselves deep in love and committed to one another in a permanent way.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 09:41:28 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 09:08:46 am
you little minx you!  doughboys are so much more sensual!
Heeeee!   ;D
How are you coming along with chapter 81?? It's been a while Louise  :P :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 09:53:49 am
it's coming it's coming!  You people!  First you're behind and now you're caught up, there is no pleasin you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 10:05:14 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 09:16:23 am

Typing this has made me think...those who are so adamantly opposed to movingon!Ennis fics...they seem to have a whole lot of reasons, none of which are particularly rational to me. I wonder if another might be that they don't to believe or accept that Ennis is actually capable of entering in, sustaining, and growing in a relationship? Hmmm....

L
Their reasons don't make much sense to me either. What they come up with is mostly two things - why should Ennis get to be happy in another real relationship when he spent 20 years of his life denying it to Jack and the second one is that they can't believe Ennis would be capable of loving anyone else after loving Jack.
Well Louise has proved to me that it's very possible and very real to love again after Jack. It's believeble and right and I'm loving every minute of the Laramie Saga. It was exactly what I needed. So, I do want to thank you once again Louise for giving us these wonderful stories  :) You spoil us so much  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 10:07:15 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 09:53:49 am
it's coming it's coming!  You people!  First you're behind and now you're caught up, there is no pleasin you!
Aww but you love us anyway don't you?? LOL  ;) :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 10:19:39 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 09:16:23 am
Maybe I am way out on the fringe and I just don't realize it.

I was wondering that about myself.  Especially when Lauren said he had only done really ordinary stuff.  But who knows?


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 10:20:28 am
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 09:41:28 am
Heeeee!   ;D
How are you coming along with chapter 81?? It's been a while Louise  :P :-*


Was thinking that myself...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 10:22:37 am
One thing Louise - when you said you'd gone as far as you wanted with all the kinky sex stuff and you'd be concentrating more on the relationship side of things........


......does this mean no nipple clamps then?   



 :D :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 10:42:33 am
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 10:22:37 am
......does this mean no nipple clamps then?   



 :D :D
Jeeeez Helen!
Well Louise, it IS something to think about....LOL  :D
Could be quite hot...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 10:44:22 am
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 10:22:37 am
One thing Louise - when you said you'd gone as far as you wanted with all the kinky sex stuff and you'd be concentrating more on the relationship side of things........


......does this mean no nipple clamps then?   

 :D :D

When I was writing my earlier post and thinking about things in my life, this actually came to mind...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 11:10:15 am
We have an Ennis and Ellery poll over in the polling place. Take a minute to vote and share your comments. Thanks!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 11:31:15 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:27:26 am
we dont want to get too dreamy over Lauren. When I get home I need to look up the description.  He is as I recall, rather scrawny.

Right, we need a Lauren pic asap.
How old is Lauren btw?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 11:38:05 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 11:31:15 am
Right, we need a Lauren pic asap.
How old is Lauren btw?

Louise is supposed to be reporting back with her description from the book, but I would guess young: 25.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 11:39:19 am
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 10:22:37 am
One thing Louise - when you said you'd gone as far as you wanted with all the kinky sex stuff and you'd be concentrating more on the relationship side of things........


......does this mean no nipple clamps then?   



 :D :D

I think I am in the Twilight Zone.  I just got off "other forum" where they are sharing the unending angst of the love that will not die, and I log in here and I read

......does this mean no nipple clamps then?   

And I very nearly fell off my chair.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 12, 2006, 11:43:48 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 11:39:19 am
I think I am in the Twilight Zone.  I just got off "other forum" where they are sharing the unending angst of the love that will not die, and I log in here and I read

......does this mean no nipple clamps then?   

And I very nearly fell off my chair.

I trust you didn't hurt yourself!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 11:46:38 am
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 11:39:19 am
I think I am in the Twilight Zone.  I just got off "other forum" where they are sharing the unending angst of the love that will not die, and I log in here and I read

......does this mean no nipple clamps then?   

And I very nearly fell off my chair.

We have our priorities straight!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 12:00:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 11:39:19 am
I think I am in the Twilight Zone.  I just got off "other forum" where they are sharing the unending angst of the love that will not die, and I log in here and I read

......does this mean no nipple clamps then?   

And I very nearly fell off my chair.

Same here. I have just read that the people who appreciate The Widower are people who have sustained a loss and those, wait for it, who are "thinkers and analysers". I would like to add another cateory: those who resonate with misery and seems to take some pleasure in the angst of it all. Having got socked with a triple whammy of misery in BBM they actually go looking for more. One fic has Jack suffering from Alzheimers!

I have a feeling that those who genuinely felt grief over Ennis/Jack rather than indulging the sensation and drama of grief are those who really needed the break this fic is offering. Just my opinion.

I now feel that you are almost treated like a troll on the Cullen slash forum if you dont go along with The Widower line (just the name gives me the creeps) and post positive comments about the Saga.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 12:07:12 pm
First Lauren contender ... (skinny but not scrawny .. :P)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:10:01 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 12:00:11 pm

I now feel that you are almost treated like a troll on the Cullen slash forum if you dont go along with The Widower line (just the name gives me the creeps) and post positive comments about the Saga.



Over there, they have what I call "the annointed fics." There are about five of them. They get discussed and "squeeed" endlessly. Then there are the rest of us who go into the big black hole of fic-dom. Fortunately for Louise (and me, my story has its own thread, too) we fell into that hole and came out on the other side...Bettermost.

L

And Widower...I sometimes wonder if something is wrong with my eyeballs and brain. I couldn't even finish the first chapter! And believe me, I tried...I haven't been able to read the other annointed fics, either.  Jack with Alzheimer's, Ennis as a VAMPIRE. People think this makes sense?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:10:48 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 12:07:12 pm
First Lauren contender ... (skinny but not scrawny .. :P)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren.jpg)

He does so NOT work for me! Oh, no, please say no everyone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 12:12:12 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 09:16:23 am
Typing this has made me think...those who are so adamantly opposed to movingon!Ennis fics...they seem to have a whole lot of reasons, none of which are particularly rational to me. I wonder if another might be that they don't to believe or accept that Ennis is actually capable of entering in, sustaining, and growing in a relationship? Hmmm....

L

I think I agree with you on this... I think to say Ennis would never move on really limits/trivializes him as a person.  And, as I've said before, just because he 'moves on' doesn't mean he loved/loves Jack any less, it is just him changing and growing as a person, and what is wrong with that.  (It is okay to find a way to 'live again.'  Please don't interpret what I've said as me meaning there is any sort of time table or routine to grieving, and moving on, I just mean I think it's unfair to say that moving on can't happen, and unfair is probably a poor choice of wording...  I will catch up on the posts and likely find someone who has said this better...)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:18:13 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 12:12:12 pm
I think I agree with you on this... I think to say Ennis would never move on really limits/trivializes him as a person. 


Exactly. And since the Jack & Ennis forever folks have both of them up there with wings and halos, why would they want to trivialize/diminish their beloved Ennis? It just doesn't make sense. And this is the way all their reasoning goes...talk about circular logic!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:19:13 pm
This thread is moving fast...just wanted to remind everyone:

We have an Ennis and Ellery poll over in the polling place. Take a minute to vote and share your comments. Thanks!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 12, 2006, 12:20:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:10:01 pm
And Widower...I sometimes wonder if something is wrong with my eyeballs and brain. I couldn't even finish the first chapter! And believe me, I tried...I haven't been able to read the other annointed fics, either.  Jack with Alzheimer's, Ennis as a VAMPIRE. People think this makes sense?

Oh, thank heaven. I thought I was alone in not being able to read ANY of those fics above. I had enough pain from the story, thank you; reading of Ennis' continuing agony just would not be healthy for me. I need closure -- for Ennis and for me, and in canon if possible. And the Laramie Saga is the answer for me, hands down.

I know what it is to lose someone (in my case, my father and my brother) and I know that no one can possibly take their place. That doesn't close me off to love, though. My boss is like a brother to me, and there are men in whom I see components of my father. My love for those who have passed does not fade. There's room in my heart for more. I need to have hope for Ennis, as I have hope for everyone who needs love. And who among us does not?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:24:15 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:10:48 pm
He does so NOT work for me! Oh, no, please say no everyone!
NO!!
I'm sorry Lucise, I hope you havent gone to too much trouble to find him
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 12:25:17 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 12:00:11 pm
Same here. I have just read that the people who appreciate The Widower are people who have sustained a loss and those, wait for it who are "thinkers and analysers". I would like to add another cateory: thise who resonate with misery and seems to take some pleasure in the angst of it all. Having got socked with a triple whammy of misery in BBM they actually go looking for more. One fic has Jack suffering from Alzheimers!

I have a feeling that those who genuinely felt grief over Ennis/Jack rather than indulging the sensation and drama of grief are those who really needed the break this fic is offering. Just my opinion.

I now feel that you are almost treated like a troll on the Cullen slash forum if you dont go along with The Widower line (just the name gives me the creeps) and post positive comments about the Saga.

Once I got into the Widower I found it was okay.  I would say that those who only appreciate the likes of Widower and look down on anything which, heaven forbid, has a bit of happiness to it (or doesn't have Ennis in purgatory for the rest of his life as a "punishment" for being a human being), need some serious medical intervention to retrieve their heads from their a$$holes.   

And I'm pretty sure there are loads of people that have sustained loss but who, strangely to some, have no wish to wallow in it forever more.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:29:05 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:10:01 pm
Over there, they have what I call "the annointed fics." There are about five of them. They get discussed and "squeeed" endlessly. Then there are the rest of us who go into the big black hole of fic-dom. Fortunately for Louise (and me, my story has its own thread, too) we fell into that hole and came out on the other side...Bettermost.

L

And Widower...I sometimes wonder if something is wrong with my eyeballs and brain. I couldn't even finish the first chapter! And believe me, I tried...I haven't been able to read the other annointed fics, either.  Jack with Alzheimer's, Ennis as a VAMPIRE. People think this makes sense?
Jack with Alzheimers is the Pair of Deuces one isnt it? And the Vampire one?? Is that a new one? I havent been onto the DC boards at all today.
And yes I am totally sick of the squeeing over Widower.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 12, 2006, 12:30:46 pm
I'm with you Lucise.  I think he makes a splendid Lauren.  Good picking!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:32:00 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 12, 2006, 12:20:33 pm
Oh, thank heaven. I thought I was alone in not being able to read ANY of those fics above. I had enough pain from the story, thank you; reading of Ennis' continuing agony just would not be healthy for me. I need closure -- for Ennis and for me, and in canon if possible. And the Laramie Saga is the answer for me, hands down.

I know what it is to lose someone (in my case, my father and my brother) and I know that no one can possibly take their place. That doesn't close me off to love, though. My boss is like a brother to me, and there are men in whom I see components of my father. My love for those who have passed does not fade. There's room in my heart for more. I need to have hope for Ennis, as I have hope for everyone who needs love. And who among us does not?
Oh I SO agree with everything you've just said!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 12, 2006, 12:35:18 pm

Regarding the possibility of Ennis moving on, I want to take a whole step further. To say that Ennis could never move on would be to diminish the love of Ennis and Jack.

The Laramie Saga illustrates how the love of Ennis and Jack enables Ennis to move on. Ennis travels to Laramie because of Jack's journal. Ennis is able to recognize Ellery's love as love because he comes to realize that Jack loved him. Ellery repeatedly tells Ennis to read the letter Jack left in the journal. When Ennis is able to call his love for Jack by its true name of love, he begins to recognize that his feelings for Ellery are also love.

Because Ennis and Jack truly loved each other, Ennis is able to move on. The possibility of hope for Ennis's future is a tribute to the love Ennis and Jack shared.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2006, 12:40:10 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 12:12:12 pm
I think I agree with you on this... I think to say Ennis would never move on really limits/trivializes him as a person.  And, as I've said before, just because he 'moves on' doesn't mean he loved/loves Jack any less, it is just him changing and growing as a person, and what is wrong with that.  (It is okay to find a way to 'live again.'  Please don't interpret what I've said as me meaning there is any sort of time table or routine to grieving, and moving on, I just mean I think it's unfair to say that moving on can't happen, and unfair is probably a poor choice of wording...  I will catch up on the posts and likely find someone who has said this better...)



Exactly right.  Just because he has found someone to love, doesnt mean he thinks any less of Jack, thats just silly.  I should think at the start of their relationship, he felt as guilty as hell.  Guilty because he is living that sweet life that Jack wanted for the two of them.  He probably also blamed himself in some way for Jacks death, because if he,d said yes, then obviously Jack wouldnt be dead, so he probably thought he deserved to be sitting alone in that crappy trailer drinking and smoking himself to death as some sort of "punishment". Thats just crazy.  The poor guy is allowed to feel again.  He,s allowed to love again.  Of course he,ll never forget or probably stop loving Jack, but he,s finally coming to terms with it, and being able to talk about him to Ellery without breaking down.  Jack wouldnt have wanted him to drink himself to death, and we dont want that for him either, it,s too awful. I love this story Louise, I really do. IF they ever did a sequel, I,d love to see Ennis,s face when he gets called buttercup in the bar.  BTW, I know someone asked you this, so apologies if you replied and I didnt see it, but where did you do your ahem, "research" into their, erm,"bedroom antics?" Love it. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:41:26 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 12:25:17 pm
 I would say that those who only appreciate the likes of Widower and look down on anything which, heaven forbid, has a bit of happiness to it (or doesn't have Ennis in purgatory for the rest of his life as a "punishment" for being a human being), need some serious medical intervention to retrieve their heads from their a$$holes.   


LOL - but you do know don't you just how many people are out there that feel this way??
It's scary how many there are  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:42:06 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:29:05 pm
Jack with Alzheimers is the Pair of Deuces one isnt it? And the Vampire one?? Is that a new one? I havent been onto the DC boards at all today.
And yes I am totally sick of the squeeing over Widower.

Pair of Deuces, maybe, I don't know. The stories I don't like I immediately forget the names of. The Vampire story started over the weekend and I actually think the author, Brokaholic, may be on this board. I don't mean to be insulting, Brokaholic (Alice), I just have a really hard time imagining Ennis as a vampire! In this or any universe. But have at, you have fans at dc and maybe you'll find fans here. I would suggest posting a link to your story over in the fanfiction section, let people know it is out there.

BTW, for everyone...especially those who have spent more time at dc...we do have a fanfiction section with links to stories. There is some discussion going on and I know the authors who are here enjoy talking about their fics with their readers. Marakeshsparrow is here; fernly; me! Even though my story is finished, I still like discussing it. The thread for ALBFS is over at fanfic. The major difference between bettermost and dc is that there are individual threads for stories...not everything is clumped into one big pot. Personally, I find this to be a much better approach.

I don't believe that Jenna Sinclair is on this board, nor is MadLori, but there are links to their stories. And if enough discussion got started, they might be persuaded to join in. That's how I enticed Louise over here, after all.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 12:44:13 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:41:26 pm
LOL - but you do know don't you just how many people are out there that feel this way??
It's scary how many there are  :(

We may consider them to be punitive sentimentalists. They probably regard us as coldhearted superficialists. I guess that just about makes us even.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 12:44:27 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:41:26 pm
It's scary how many there are  :(

It is indeed.



(Jeez June, I'm desperate for some patat met pinda saus!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 12:46:02 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 12:44:13 pm
We may consider them to be punitive sentimentalists. They probably regard us as coldhearted superficialists. I guess that just about makes us even.

I wouldn't call anyone who felt that Ennis had to be punished for the rest of his life to be sentimental in any way.  Coldhearted yes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:48:47 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 12:46:02 pm
I wouldn't call anyone who felt that Ennis had to be punished for the rest of his life to be sentimental in any way.  Coldhearted yes.
Yes definitely!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:50:36 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 12:44:27 pm

(Jeez June, I'm desperate for some patat met pinda saus!)
Huh??  *grin*
I just finished mine and it was SO GOOD!!!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:53:52 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 12:46:02 pm
I wouldn't call anyone who felt that Ennis had to be punished for the rest of his life to be sentimental in any way.  Coldhearted yes.

Ahhh, but they would tell you he is not being punished. He is "rebuilding" his life around "his children" and "the land." He is finding "happiness" and "satisfaction" and even "love" in these things. Never mind that the man is 41 with, what I would discern from the movie and the story, a healthy sex drive. The rebuilding sentamentalists would tell you that is is completely normal for a man of this age to become celibate and carry a candle for the memory of his lost love for the rest of his life.

Yeah, right.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 01:00:59 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 12:46:02 pm
I wouldn't call anyone who felt that Ennis had to be punished for the rest of his life to be sentimental in any way.  Coldhearted yes.

I meant sentimental only regarding Ennis compulsory undying worshipful devotion of Jack to the exclusion of anything else.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 01:02:08 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:53:52 pm
Ahhh, but they would tell you he is not being punished. He is "rebuilding" his life around "his children" and "the land." He is finding "happiness" and "satisfaction" and even "love" in these things. Never mind that the man is 41 with, what I would discern from the movie and the story, a healthy sex drive. The rebuilding sentamentalists would tell you that is is completely normal for a man of this age to become celibate and carry a candle for the memory of his lost love for the rest of his life.

Yeah, right.
Oh Leslie you are SO right *sigh* that's exactly what's being said. Truly unbelieveble *shakes head*  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 01:03:18 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 12:53:52 pm
Ahhh, but they would tell you he is not being punished. He is "rebuilding" his life around "his children" and "the land." He is finding "happiness" and "satisfaction" and even "love" in these things. Never mind that the man is 41 with, what I would discern from the movie and the story, a healthy sex drive. The rebuilding sentamentalists would tell you that is is completely normal for a man of this age to become celibate and carry a candle for the memory of his lost love for the rest of his life.

Yeah, right.

Couldn't agree more. It's all a cover for a life of sackcloth and ashes. Only yesterday I read that anyone who thinks Ennis deserves a second chance at life should go to hell and back (with smiley icons) see page 185.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 01:05:06 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 01:03:18 pm
Couldn't agree more. It's all a cover for a life of sackcloth and ashes. Only yesterday I read that anyone who thinks Ennis deserves a second chance at life should go to hell and back (with smiley icons) see page 185.
Oh yeah mm I saw that post and I was truly shocked  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 01:07:02 pm
Louise!!! Where is the next chapter?? what's going on?? You're not napping are you?!?   :D :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 01:09:08 pm
Quote from: Jane on July 12, 2006, 12:40:10 pm
I love this story Louise, I really do. IF they ever did a sequel, I,d love to see Ennis,s face when he gets called buttercup in the bar.  BTW, I know someone asked you this, so apologies if you replied and I didnt see it, but where did you do your ahem, "research" into their, erm,"bedroom antics?" Love it. ;) ;)

thank you and welcome, Jane!  Yes, that reminds me I have to bring Lang back to raise some more ruckus with Ennis!  hehehe.

I replied very evasively to that question about the bedroom antics.  Let's just say I got all of this information straight from the source and it has all been validated under field test conditions.    ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 01:10:52 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 01:07:02 pm
Louise!!! Where is the next chapter?? what's going on?? You're not napping are you?!?   :D :D

you won't believe what happened to me.  I was typing away finishing chapter 81 (la di da di da) and then work ended and I had to go home, and then... everything stopped, suspending me in the biggest traffic jam I have been in around here in years.  A huge accident happened up on the Autobahn near where I live and they ... closed the road.  So we were all pushed off back onto the road I started on, and it took an hour to go 8 km.

So yes I am still here, and still plugging away finishing it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 01:16:20 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 12, 2006, 12:20:33 pm
My love for those who have passed does not fade. There's room in my heart for more.
Thank you so much for saying this; I have believed this to be true all along, but having not experienced a 'major' loss, thought perhaps I was being too naive to think the same thing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 01:18:08 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 12:25:17 pm
I would say that those who only appreciate the likes of Widower and look down on anything which, heaven forbid, has a bit of happiness to it (or doesn't have Ennis in purgatory for the rest of his life as a "punishment" for being a human being), need some serious medical intervention to retrieve their heads from their a$$holes.   

I'm also glad to learn that I'm not the only one who thought medical intervention might be appropriate...

(Edited to add:  I'm sorry if the intervention comment comes across as harsh.  It is an unfair comment for me to make.  However it was made in response to innuendo that because I felt Ennis could move on and love again, I was doing things like "dancing on Jack's grave" and saying "F*** Ang, f*** Annie, f*** all involved with the movie," when nothing could be further from the truth.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 01:19:37 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 12, 2006, 12:30:46 pm
I'm with you Lucise.  I think he makes a splendid Lauren.  Good picking!

I thought Lucise's Lauren was okay too... (I just had to envision him in a more tame outfit with a less goofy expression on his face.)

BTW-how do you pronounce Lucise?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 01:19:51 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 01:03:18 pm
Couldn't agree more. It's all a cover for a life of sackcloth and ashes. Only yesterday I read that anyone who thinks Ennis deserves a second chance at life should go to hell and back (with smiley icons) see page 185.

Smiley icons and a great big FUCK YOU. Charming, huh? Really a good way to stimulate intelligent discourse.

And the Titanic rationale. Let me see if I have this straight. If you want to see/read a story about a movingon!character, watch Titanic, because Rose does move on, get married, have kids. Yes, she may have betrayed her Jack by doing that, but because it is in the story, it happened, it's canon and thus, those of us who have a moving on need should fulfill that need with Titantic.

For Brokeback, no. There is no moving on for Ennis. Never, in any way, shape or form. I-yi-yi...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 01:22:03 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 12, 2006, 12:35:18 pm
Regarding the possibility of Ennis moving on, I want to take a whole step further. To say that Ennis could never move on would be to diminish the love of Ennis and Jack.
Fred, I agree wholeheartedly...  (sorry everyone for the multiple/serial posting... it is just nice to read so much stuff I agree with...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 01:34:10 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71633.html  "Chapter 81:  Protector"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 01:37:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 01:34:10 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71633.html  "Chapter 81:  Protector"

Oooo I love the title!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 12, 2006, 01:41:36 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 12, 2006, 12:35:18 pm
Regarding the possibility of Ennis moving on, I want to take a whole step further. To say that Ennis could never move on would be to diminish the love of Ennis and Jack.
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 01:22:03 pm
Fred, I agree wholeheartedly...  (sorry everyone for the multiple/serial posting... it is just nice to read so much stuff I agree with...)

same here nb
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 01:49:53 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 12:24:15 pm
NO!!
I'm sorry Lucise, I hope you havent gone to too much trouble to find him

 :laugh:  No, I didnt really look coz I am at work now  :P

Quote
I'm with you Lucise.  I think he makes a splendid Lauren.  Good picking!

Hmmm...we need more contenders ...  :)



Wow - this thread seems to be growing exponentially!  :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 01:52:53 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 01:49:53 pm

Wow - this thread seems to be growing exponentially!  :o

We seem to have obviously hit on a few topics that people have opinions on...I know I do!

PS, Lucise...everyone, don't forget to vote! Over in the polling place....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 01:56:44 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 01:19:37 pm
I thought Lucise's Lauren was okay too... (I just had to envision him in a more tame outfit with a less goofy expression on his face.)

BTW-how do you pronounce Lucise?

nB - Lucise is pronounced: Lu-chis ...  :)


Quote
PS, Lucise...everyone, don't forget to vote! Over in the polling place....

I voted already!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 01:57:15 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 12, 2006, 01:03:18 pm
Couldn't agree more. It's all a cover for a life of sackcloth and ashes. Only yesterday I read that anyone who thinks Ennis deserves a second chance at life should go to hell and back (with smiley icons) see page 185.

 :'( :'(  That's sad.  So sad.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:00:55 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 01:34:10 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71633.html  "Chapter 81:  Protector"
Squeeeee!
*rushes off to read*

Aww if I'd known what happened to you I'd wouldnt have bugged you like I did!!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 02:03:03 pm
Of course not, June, I know that.

For those who figured out all of the hoops you need to go through to get into Chat, nB and I are chatting in the NEW chat forum!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:03:48 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 01:19:51 pm
Smiley icons and a great big FUCK YOU.
I thought you were not allowed to swear on this forum??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 12, 2006, 02:06:43 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:03:48 pm
I thought you were not allowed to swear on this forum??
You can, you just have to go into your profile and check the box which allows you to see sweary words :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 02:08:02 pm
leave it to you, Helen.  You and the sheep avatar.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 02:09:45 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:03:48 pm
I thought you were not allowed to swear on this forum??

You can set it in your profile. You can't swear in the old chat, not sure if this is something you can change in the new version.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:13:24 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 12, 2006, 02:06:43 pm
You can, you just have to go into your profile and check the box which allows you to see sweary words :)
???
I just went into my profile but didnt know where to go??  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 02:14:15 pm
My 3 cents on MovingOn!Ennis discussion:

I was really surprised to hear that people were 'attacking' Louise for writing a fanfic about Ennis moving on and getting a lover and falling in love again.  Why is that such a terrible thing?  Why is that so offensive to some people?  I don't understand all the drama and anger over Ennis carrying on and trying to get a life after Jack  ???.  Would we rather see Ennis die slowly in that shitty lil trailer, smoking and drinking himself to death?  I mean seriously ...

Louise is doing an excellent job as a writer and a storyteller, and that has to count for something.  She has shown no disrespect to the memory of Jack or their love.  There is no reason for any sort of hostility towards her story.  Of course, not everybody is interested in fanfics or can relate to every story/fic out there, granted!  But I have issues with the idea that Ennis moving on is some kind of sacrilege.  ???

Bottom line is:  Louise, you can't please everyone.  You are doing a damn fine job!  And there are people out there (as you can see from the comments on here) who know that loving the Laramie Saga does not nullify the love for Brokeback Mountain or Jack&Ennis, nor does it minimise what they had for 20 years.

All in all ... More grease to your elbows hun and KEEP UP THE BRILLIANT WORK!   :-*



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:16:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 02:03:03 pm
Of course not, June, I know that.

For those who figured out all of the hoops you need to go through to get into Chat, nB and I are chatting in the NEW chat forum!
And I don't know how to do this either!!!!!!!!! I thought you just had to click on the lip thingy!  ::) *sigh* I can't get it to work and I'm just not good with comps at all.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:20:33 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 02:14:15 pm
My 3 cents on MovingOn!Ennis discussion:

I was really surprised to hear that people were 'attacking' Louise for writing a fanfic about Ennis moving on and getting a lover and falling in love again.  Why is that such a terrible thing?  Why is that so offensive to some people?  I don't understand all the drama and anger over Ennis carrying on and trying to get a life after Jack  ???.  Would we rather see Ennis die slowly in that shitty lil trailer, smoking and drinking himself to death?  I mean seriously ...
Lucise, you wouldn't believe the things some of us have been through reagarding MO!Ennis  :( :( :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 02:26:04 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:16:45 pm
And I don't know how to do this either!!!!!!!!! I thought you just had to click on the lip thingy!  ::) *sigh* I can't get it to work and I'm just not good with comps at all.
June, it used to be click on the lips.  Now you go to the main menu again and there is a huge banner that says CLICK HERE TO GO TO BETTERMOST CHAT AUDITION
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 02:26:39 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:20:33 pm
Lucise, you wouldn't believe the things some of us have been through reagarding MO!Ennis  :( :( :(

It is baffling, but we gotta move on from all the negative energy... :)
The Laramie Saga aint going no where! 
As long as Louise is willing to keep writing, I am willing to keep reading!  :)
Period!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:32:47 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 02:26:39 pm
It is baffling, but we gotta move on from all the negative energy... :)
The Laramie Saga aint going no where! 
As long as Louise is willing to keep writing, I am willing to keep reading!  :)
Period!
Oh me too!!!  :)
What will I do when I'm gone for 3 weeks.... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:33:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 02:26:04 pm
June, it used to be click on the lips.  Now you go to the main menu again and there is a huge banner that says CLICK HERE TO GO TO BETTERMOST CHAT AUDITION

Thanks Louise  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 12, 2006, 02:34:26 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 02:26:39 pm
It is baffling, but we gotta move on from all the negative energy... :)
The Laramie Saga aint going no where! 
As long as Louise is willing to keep writing, I am willing to keep reading!  :)
Period!

Amen to that!

And the end of chapter 81 had me crying softly - in a good way - for both our boys. Oh, this was a really beautiful love scene. *sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 02:37:04 pm
Hi,

I hope you guys make it over to chat!

BigH - surely you can have occasional internet access during the course of your three weeks?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 02:42:59 pm
oh yes I have had trials and tribulations.  Those of you who caught up by reading a hundred chapters at a time may have seen the occasional "Note from the Author" and a few reassurances I put in my Livejournal in response to user questions, because a very large controversy arose over "Taking Chances" and "Looking for Answers" after chapter 27 or so of TC was posted.

The controversy apparently arose because I was the one of the first authors to do a detailed treatment of Ennis's life after grieving for Jack, and becoming involved in a serious sexual relationship.  It broke absolutely new ground.  There were a few other fics that were not well advertised, and got poor reviews.  Considering that I didn't start this fic until 6 months after Brokeback came into theaters, and well after people began to write fan fictions, this might be surprising, and I had no idea I was writing something that might be considered by some, controversial.  I myself thought that rewriting the ending of Brokeback mountain was in some sense rather scandalous, and could not imagine doing so, and I wrote a short fiction in 9 chapters entitled "A Warm Wind Blows" about Ennis wasting away with grief and developing a fatal cancer, only to find as he nears death, that Jack is there waiting for him and content to wait a while longer for him to have a more fulfilling life and to give him back a hope of living, knowing they will be reunited.

When I finished that story something else began to niggle at me but I could not still, imagine changing the end of BBM just because I wanted Jack to avoid the fate Annie Proulx had given him, and that is when I conceived of the idea of Ennis doing research to find out about the Queer World and encountering the denizens of one of Wyoming's first gay bars, a private club started by a mover and shaker in the most progressive town in Wyoming.  Little did I know that for some... this plot was "fightin words."  And the controversy intensified to the point that I was really quite hurt and bewildered.

"The Laramie Saga" has been called (politely) "MovinOn!Ennis", and impolitely "Ennis the Gay Blade"  and "Ennis and Who?" and "Leather-Gay Ennis" , and I have been accused of writing something less elegant than Harlequin Romances, and "dancing on Jack's grave."  At the same time, there grew quiet but nonetheless more visible group of people who wanted (and needed) for me to write, and to continue, the saga, and so I did.  I don't begrudge others their own alternate-universe fics about Ennis and Jack, and I sympathize with those who aren't interested in reading about anyone else with Ennis.  But there has to be a reason why so many people respond to this story... there has to be a reason why sometimes I get 50 or 60 comments a day, and why I get heartfelt confessions from people who say they finally felt relief from the dreadful pain opened up in them from watching or reading "Brokeback Mountain" when Ennis found love once more after the tragic death of Jack.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 02:52:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 02:42:59 pm

"The Laramie Saga" has been called (politely) "MovinOn!Ennis", and impolitely "Ennis the Gay Blade"  and "Ennis and Who?" and "Leather-Gay Ennis" , and I have been accused of writing something less elegant than Harlequin Romances, and "dancing on Jack's grave."  At the same time, there grew quiet but nonetheless more visible group of people who wanted (and needed) for me to write, and to continue, the saga, and so I did.  I don't begrudge others their own alternate-universe fics about Ennis and Jack, and I sympathize with those who aren't interested in reading about anyone else with Ennis.  But there has to be a reason why so many people respond to this story... there has to be a reason why sometimes I get 50 or 60 comments a day, and why I get heartfelt confessions from people who say they finally felt relief from the dreadful pain opened up in them from watching or reading "Brokeback Mountain" when Ennis found love once more after the tragic death of Jack.

Louise ... MANY MANY HUGS!

These people who are coming up with these names for your story are actually taking time to read it, or else why would they care so much?  Why does it get under their skin so much?
I remember the trolls from Imdb forum and their obsession with BBM.
To all those raising hell over MO!Ennis: If you dont like it or its not for you, let it go, don't latch on to it.  It is that simple IMO!
 
Out with the negative, in with the positive I say!  Keep up the good work Louise!  :-*


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 03:04:27 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 02:37:04 pm
Hi,

I hope you guys make it over to chat!

BigH - surely you can have occasional internet access during the course of your three weeks?
Yeah, I'm taking my laptop but my hotelroom doesnt have ADSL high speed internet access but thankfully the hotel does have an internet place so I will be able to check my emails and read occasionally - not the huge amount of reading I do at home though, LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 12, 2006, 03:07:27 pm
Holy cow!

      I sign off for a few hours, and while I'm gone, y'all have posted 5 more pages here!

Now cut that out!   Leave Louisev alone so she can write chapter 82!     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 03:10:00 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 12, 2006, 03:07:27 pm

Now cut that out!   Leave Louisev alone so she can write chapter 82!     ;D

Here here! 

Hey David, we are looking for Lauren contenders..got any pictures?
I posted one earlier to mixed reviews..lol..
I will look later, but you got ideas?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 03:10:29 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 12, 2006, 03:07:27 pm
Holy cow!

      I sign off for a few hours, and while I'm gone, y'all have posted 5 more pages here!

Now cut that out!   Leave Louisev alone so she can write chapter 82!     ;D

I have also done some catching up on you on messages David...I have you in my sights!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 12, 2006, 03:21:03 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 03:10:00 pm
Here here! 

Hey David, we are looking for Lauren contenders..got any pictures?
I posted one earlier to mixed reviews..lol..
I will look later, but you got ideas?  ;)

I liked that picture, but he strikes me more as a "Rudy" type, not a Lauren.     If Lauren is as vanilla as he says he is, he wouldn't dress that way to work.   then again, if he wants to get more tips, he'd work shirtless and in short cut offs!    LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 03:24:55 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 12, 2006, 03:21:03 pm
I liked that picture, but he strikes me more as a "Rudy" type, not a Lauren.     If Lauren is as vanilla as he says he is, he wouldn't dress that way to work.   then again, if he wants to get more tips, he'd work shirtless and in short cut offs!    LOL

Good point!  Lauren is vanilla, not into the spanking type stuff... lol
I can see Rudy bartending in his drawers, not Lauren...  ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 03:51:38 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71873.html  "Chapter 82:  Back on the Job"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 04:01:41 pm
chap 82 mild spoiler;



“No, you are wrong there. You are dead wrong about that. Now since you didn’t come down here on Sheriff’s Department business I am gonna have ta ask ya ta leave.”

That was my favorite line!  I love it when Ellery states things so matter of factly and bosses people around!  I also like that Ellery's immediate instinct was to ask if Wes was there... I'm glad he knows he's got back-up there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 05:03:40 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 03:51:38 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71873.html  "Chapter 82:  Back on the Job"
Whoooo!!
Jeez, everybody is posting updates to their stories now!!!!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 05:08:25 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 05:03:40 pm
Whoooo!!
Jeez, everybody is posting updates to their stories now!!!!!!!  :D

Everybody?  Who else?  :)

I am also reading "Dreaming" by Cathalin (over at LJ)
(another amazing story ... I wonder if she has updated too...  )
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 05:23:43 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 05:08:25 pm
Everybody?  Who else?  :)

I am also reading "Dreaming" by Cathalin (over at LJ)
(another amazing story ... I wonder if she has updated too...  )
No, she hasnt yet. RL was getting in the way...
I've been reading Midwest-girl's If I Asked - a Jack and Ennis from Jack's POV. I think her writing is amazing
And I was about to read Debutante9 The Wolf and the Thunderbird, it's really different but her writing is brilliant, really clever  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 05:25:05 pm
Hey, I made it to Sr. Ranch Hand! LOL  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 05:28:04 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 05:25:05 pm
Hey, I made it to Sr. Ranch Hand! LOL  :D

Hehe..Congrats BigH.  :)

Cathalin's story is also very moving and just beautifully written!  Her last chapter got people riled and then some! lol..
I am keeping an eye open for her next update!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 05:32:10 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 05:28:04 pm
Hehe..Congrats BigH.  :)

Cathalin's story is also very moving and just beautifully written!  Her last chapter got people riled and then some! lol..
I am keeping an eye open for her next update!



Hehe thanks!
Oh yes I love Dreaming too and people sure did get worked up about that last chapter didnt they?? Jeeeez!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 05:36:06 pm
Hey you two - you better get back to talking about E and E!  They're jealous men don't ya know? ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 05:38:51 pm
Just a reminder...if you haven't done so, take a minute to vote in the E&E poll over in the polling place...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 05:40:59 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 05:36:06 pm
Hey you two - you better get back to talking about E and E!  They're jealous men don't ya know? ;D


possessive too.  *I think I hear Mr. Coyote sneaking in.*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 05:43:37 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 05:40:59 pm

possessive too.  *I think I hear Mr. Coyote sneaking in.*

Oh, he doesnt have to sneak in - he can waltz right in!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 05:58:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 05:40:59 pm

possessive too.  *I think I hear Mr. Coyote sneaking in.*
I wouldnt mind him giving me a little nip! LOL  :P :o
I don't think I'm his type though!!  ;D
What do you think Louise?? hehehehe
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 12, 2006, 06:02:28 pm
you know, writing custom RPS encounters with Mr. Coyote could become a lucrative sideline.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 06:12:00 pm

Before, I used to think of Mr. Coyote as:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/bailee4/21477BPLooney-Tunes-Wile-E-Coyote.jpg)     OR     (http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/graphics/coyote7sm.jpg)


But now, Mr Coyote is forever engraved in my mind as:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/hl2.jpg)


And it's all Louise's fault!   :P

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 06:16:59 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 06:12:00 pm
But now, Mr Coyote is forever engraved in my mind as:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/hl2.jpg)


And it's all Louise's fault!   :P


Heeee! Yeah, Louise has us thinking all sorts of thoughts  :P
That's a gorgeous pic of Mr Coyote...you are so great with all the pics Lucise  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 06:18:42 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 06:16:59 pm
Heeee! Yeah, Louise has us thinking all sorts of thoughts  :P
That's a gorgeous pic of Mr Coyote...you are so great with all the pics Lucise  :)

It is gorgeous....of course, he is a little younger than Mr. Coyote in the story....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 06:19:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 06:02:28 pm
you know, writing custom RPS encounters with Mr. Coyote could become a lucrative sideline.

fascinating idea louise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 06:22:07 pm
I sometimes have a hard time visualizing the older Ennis in E and E, I always think of young Ennis - I just realized it's because we never get to see old(er) Ennis happy in the movie - and he is so happy with Ellery (most of the time) that I automatically insert happy young Ennis in my visions.

I'm glad I figured that out!  (the hang up was bugging me)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 06:23:31 pm
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/June%20Alwayn/JESSE_MCCARTNEY.jpg)


What about this guy for Lauren? Jesse McCartney
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 06:29:10 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 06:23:31 pm
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/June%20Alwayn/JESSE_MCCARTNEY.jpg)


What about this guy for Lauren? Jesse McCartney

Woohoo another idea for Lauren.
Is Jesse McCartney too pretty for Lauren  :P ?  Can we have a description again?
Ok so early/mid 20s, about 5'8, brown hair/eyes?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 12, 2006, 06:30:28 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 06:22:07 pm
I sometimes have a hard time visualizing the older Ennis in E and E, I always think of young Ennis - I just realized it's because we never get to see old(er) Ennis happy in the movie - and he is so happy with Ellery (most of the time) that I automatically insert happy young Ennis in my visions.

I'm glad I figured that out!  (the hang up was bugging me)

Yup.  Same here.   But I did finally find a "Happy" picture of older Ennis.   Here it is.   He is smiling at Ma Twist.    But now we can think of him smiling at Edna!   

"Yes'm,  I like Biscuits!"
(http://static.flickr.com/55/174903040_24f13e82c6.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 12, 2006, 06:32:06 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 06:29:10 pm
Woohoo another idea for Lauren.
Is Jesse McCartney too pretty for Lauren  :P ?  Can we have a description again?
Ok so early/mid 20s, about 5'8, brown hair/eyes?



Cute, but maybe too cute.  That boy has "Spank me" written all over him!    LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 06:47:25 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 12, 2006, 06:32:06 pm

 That boy has "Spank me" written all over him!    LOL
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 06:50:16 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 12, 2006, 06:32:06 pm

Cute, but maybe too cute.  That boy has "Spank me" written all over him!    LOL

Errr... is that Mr Coyote talking there, or just you David?  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 06:56:47 pm
It seems quiet here ..
coz we are all busy over at the E&E thread!  :)

So I am doing a good ol'    

(http://www.signmonster.com/shop/images/w8-1_MD.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 12, 2006, 07:09:35 pm
Jesse McCartney is cute....another idea, what about Topher Grace as a potential Lauren?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/topher090505.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 07:20:08 pm
He's nice too Leslie  :)

How about this guy, he plays in Everwood and I adore him. I've forgotten his real name  ::) but he's probably too cute anyway...I'll still put him up though.. :P

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/June%20Alwayn/24787.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 12, 2006, 08:03:57 pm
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/June%20Alwayn/24787.jpg)

I like Blue Eyes here. But does Lauren have blue eyes?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 08:34:08 pm
I love all the Lauren pics you guys are putting up... I can't decide which one I like....

Topher's face fits better for me, - but the everwood boy just has this look about him that I really like... but I don't think of Lauren that way, I guess.  I also picture Lauren slightly more stout than Topher.  The blond boy has a great look but is too young...  I just looked at the everwood guy again - it's hard for me to resist picking him...  yeah, I think I vote for him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 08:35:19 pm
PS - Someone can photo shop his eye color if necessary, right?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 09:05:17 pm
Another Lauren hopeful ...    ;)


(http://www.blueonelove.it/foto/duncan1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 12, 2006, 09:21:34 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 09:05:17 pm
Another Lauren hopeful ...    ;)


(http://www.blueonelove.it/foto/duncan1.jpg)

Nope.  Too cute still.  Mr.Coyote would be nervous around him too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 09:28:20 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 08:35:19 pm
PS - Someone can photo shop his eye color if necessary, right?

Ok, so now that he has brown eyes, he is a possible Lauren.. ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren3_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 12, 2006, 09:35:02 pm
OK,  He'll be good as Lauren.   Cute, but not naughty cute.  More wholesome vanilla looking.      Hmm,  maybe he will be Duprees type?   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 12, 2006, 09:48:57 pm
I think Ennis is Dupree's type.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 10:15:16 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 12, 2006, 09:35:02 pm
OK,  He'll be good as Lauren.   Cute, but not naughty cute.  More wholesome vanilla looking.      Hmm,  maybe he will be Duprees type?   ::)

He's got my vote for Lauren too!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 10:16:50 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 12, 2006, 09:35:02 pm
Hmm,  maybe he will be Duprees type?   ::)

David... are you caught up on chapters? Lauren has a boyfriend named Simon....  don't be trying to split up the one other stable (gay) couple in Laramie... (at least the one other couple that we know about)

Too bad the ranch hands are already spoken for, or Dupree could have one of them.  Maybe the new assistant DA can be Dupree's type?

(I think the everwood guy looks great with brown eyes.  Actually, the more I looked at him, the more he looked like a young Ellery, no sacrilege against HJ or anything)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 10:20:40 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 10:16:50 pm

Too bad the ranch hands are already spoken for, or Dupree could have one of them.  Maybe the new assistant DA can be Dupree's type?



  I know Ben is getting hitched ... but is Jess spoken for?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 10:41:01 pm
I bet the Deputy Sheriff would appreciate the hot Wyoming summer days even more, if he could watch Ennis tend to his horses like ...  :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/enn5.jpg)


 ;D ... (Ok, he is abit on the beefy side, but I ain't complaning.)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 11:04:49 pm
Nice photo with the horses!  (Not too beefy for my tastes...)

Some folks were trying to hook junior up with Jess, he was paying her particular attention at the farm.  Hey Junior never did meet Dupree did she??  (I suppose he's a bit older than Junior, but that really shouldn't matter...)

We can call that pic Beefy!Ennis.  lol (he looks as good in those boxers as he does in denims.)

(That horse looks pregnant, doesn't she?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 12, 2006, 11:30:00 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 11:04:49 pm
Nice photo with the horses!  (Not too beefy for my tastes...)

Not too beefy for me either.  That body belongs to another hot australian dude, don't know his name.  ;D

Quote
Some folks were trying to hook junior up with Jess, he was paying her particular attention at the farm.  Hey Junior never did meet Dupree did she??  (I suppose he's a bit older than Junior, but that really shouldn't matter...)

We can call that pic Beefy!Ennis.  lol (he looks as good in those boxers as he does in denims.)

(That horse looks pregnant, doesn't she?)

I was one of the people thinking that Jess was interested in Junior, and he seemed like a possible 'suitor' for Alma if Curt doesn't get his act together..lol!

And ya ... the horse looks pregnant.. :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 01:41:38 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 12, 2006, 09:48:57 pm
I think Ennis is Dupree's type.
me too...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 01:44:41 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 09:28:20 pm
Ok, so now that he has brown eyes, he is a possible Lauren.. ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren3_1.jpg)
He looks so different with brown eyes!
By the way his real name is Gregory Smith  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 04:17:55 am
Maybe all cute young guys have "spank me" written all over them in your eyes David...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 04:24:42 am
You folks with your photoshopping insanity!  Beefy!Ennis, my god!

I love all the Laurens, unfortunately, I didn't lift a finger to find out what I put in my steory about his description last night after everything went out of my head from the traffic jam and the heat.  I will try again.  In the meantime, I like that guy with the instant eye-color change, he has that sort of "French" look about him, and Lauren is a little French.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 05:06:03 am
Good morning Louise  :)

How are you this morning?

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 05:41:04 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 12, 2006, 10:20:40 pm

  I know Ben is getting hitched ... but is Jess spoken for?

No, but Jess was making goo-goo eyes at Alma, remember?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 05:46:29 am
I like the guy with the changeable eyes.  The others are too young and skinny.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 05:49:43 am
Quote from: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 05:06:03 am
Good morning Louise  :)

How are you this morning?

 :)

I am just fine... broiling hot, but fine!  Somehow I sense another question in there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 05:50:33 am
Quote from: Helen on July 13, 2006, 05:46:29 am
I like the guy with the changeable eyes.  The others are too young and skinny.

look here Helen... skinny is the new sexy!  I like to write about skinny men because god knows, I love em!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 06:05:18 am
Those of you who haven't "started off" may wish to come into the chat and talk to us about our experiences reading (and for me, writing) the Laramie Saga.  With a huge boost of encouragement from all of the readers, I have decided to continue writing the Laramie Saga into a fourth book.  Right now, it will be focused upon Ennis and Ellery's personal and professional lives as they grow in their relationship with one another, and Ennis's increased involvement in the workings of the Red Stallion bar.

I hope you all enjoy the story so far, and for new readers and lurkers (I know there are many of you!) welcome to the FanFiction chat to discuss this and other great Brokeback fan fiction!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 06:26:51 am
re: beefy!Ennis...something tells me that Ennis Del Mar would never, ever go out and take care of horses in his underwear!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 06:36:21 am
Hmmm... well, we've already had him diddling Chief Deputy Darlin on the patio...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 06:54:57 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 05:49:43 am
I am just fine... broiling hot, but fine!  Somehow I sense another question in there.
No...not really....lol  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 06:55:34 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 06:36:21 am
Hmmm... well, we've already had him diddling Chief Deputy Darlin on the patio...

That is not the same thing and you know it, Louise!

Over under the doughboy, I think you should change it to, "Need ta have somethin to dip my biscuits in." (from Taking Chances)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 06:55:52 am
like for example.... "where is chapter 83 " hmmm?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 06:57:08 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 06:55:34 am
That is not the same thing and you know it, Louise!

Over under the doughboy, I think you should change it to, "Need ta have somethin to dip my biscuits in." (from Taking Chances)

L

hehehehehe....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 06:59:06 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 06:55:52 am
like for example.... "where is chapter 83 " hmmm?

Well, since you brought it up....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 07:01:27 am
it comes after my change request.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 07:04:18 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 06:55:52 am
like for example.... "where is chapter 83 " hmmm?
Well - the thought had crossed my mind.... :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 07:20:58 am
I KNEW IT.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 08:09:59 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 05:50:33 am
look here Helen... skinny is the new sexy!  I like to write about skinny men because god knows, I love em!

But, you know Louise, you talk about realism in your stories......and having all the nice guys as skinny just isn't realistic.....   ;)  :D


I hate beefy guys, but medium is nice. So more medium guys please, Lou  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 08:11:12 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 07:20:58 am
I KNEW IT.

So...where is it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 13, 2006, 08:11:58 am
Quote from: Helen on July 13, 2006, 08:09:59 am
But, you know Louise, you talk about realism in your stories......and having all the nice guys as skinny just isn't realistic.....   ;)  :D


I hate beefy guys, but medium is nice. So more medium guys please, Lou  ;D

YAAA!  for medium guys!!!   <rubs belly>   LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 08:20:03 am
Quote from: Helen on July 13, 2006, 08:09:59 am
But, you know Louise, you talk about realism in your stories......and having all the nice guys as skinny just isn't realistic.....   ;)  :D


I hate beefy guys, but medium is nice. So more medium guys please, Lou  ;D

DANG!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 08:20:27 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 13, 2006, 08:11:58 am
YAAA!  for medium guys!!!   <rubs belly>   LOL

Oh David, what belly? LOL...I have actually had the pleasure of meeting David in person and he's really cute...no belly that I recall! David, we'll cast you in the movie--put you on a bar stool down at the Red Stallion. You'll be one of the few customers who knows how to behave himself.  Or maybe you'd rather be a policeman...get to wear a uniform and all, carry a nightstick?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 08:33:00 am
Quote from: Helen on July 13, 2006, 08:11:12 am
So...where is it?


*typity typity type*  its comin its comin.

It takes longer than one of those Mr. Coyote events you know...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 08:33:45 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71947.html  "Chapter 83:  A Case of Homicide"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 09:28:02 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 08:33:45 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71947.html  "Chapter 83:  A Case of Homicide"

"Women like that ought ta be caged..." LOL

This is good, Louise. New locale, new characters...lots of potential here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 09:41:54 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/72326.html  "Chapter 84:  The Roommate Who Wasn't There"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 10:03:11 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 06:26:51 am
re: beefy!Ennis...something tells me that Ennis Del Mar would never, ever go out and take care of horses in his underwear!

L

It's certainly not very safe... but we know he likes to be nude when they're camping (if memory serves me right. maybe I made that up).  Anyhow if that's the case, I bet he's been 'in the flesh' around the horses a time or two.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 10:06:06 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 08:33:45 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71947.html  "Chapter 83:  A Case of Homicide"

Louise I can't believe you have two chapters up already.  So much for me having a productive work morning, guess I will have to aim for super productive late morning and afternoon!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 10:10:54 am
fyi - I can't read the words "Chief Deputy Cantrell" without getting a [naughty] little tickle in my tummy...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 10:14:06 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 10:03:11 am
It's certainly not very safe... but we know he likes to be nude when they're camping (if memory serves me right. maybe I made that up).  Anyhow if that's the case, I bet he's been 'in the flesh' around the horses a time or two.

Yes, he certainly has been "in the flesh."  Is there anyone else here besides me that finds Ennis looking after his horses while stark naked to be somewhat titillating?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 10:16:52 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 10:14:06 am
Yes, he certainly has been "in the flesh."  Is there anyone else here besides me that finds Ennis looking after his horses while stark naked to be somewhat titillating?

Ummm....yes....


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 10:24:11 am
Quote from: Helen on July 13, 2006, 10:16:52 am
Ummm....yes....

uhh, yes here too... especially if you follow the thought a little further and also think about him on horseback...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 10:27:08 am
Chap 83 spoiler:



Hmnnn... the ending of chap 83....  seems like a little more emotion (or at least information) might be coming from Mrs. Wilkes once she gets off the phone with her husband.  I hope they don't just stare at each other blankly while they wait for Mr. Wilkes.  I never thought about Ellery having to give bad news before.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 10:30:50 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 10:24:11 am
uhh, yes here too... especially if you follow the thought a little further and also think about him on horseback...
Oh god yes! that's SO hot....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 10:39:56 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 09:41:54 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/72326.html  "Chapter 84:  The Roommate Who Wasn't There"
Louise, I may be way off base here but is Beagle the killer??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 10:40:20 am
Quote from: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 10:30:50 am
Oh god yes! that's SO hot....

you know... I might be able to fit in a naked making out scene with horses in it for their next camping trip.  I have been inspired by those naked photos of Ennis before he plunges off that cliff.... what a lovely fruit arrangement.  *sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 10:43:01 am
Quote from: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 10:39:56 am
Louise, I may be way off base here but is Beagle the killer??

no... that would be too soap opera.  If you are looking for the "big picture" on this murder and what it means in the overall scheme, it is to bring back to Ellery some of the emotions of his college relationship and its turmoil, as well as the recent events with his being shot at, which is still sinking in.

I did some research on violent crime in Laramie, and there are about 30 homicides per year (just over two a month) and they were due for one, statistically.  Over half of those are by gunshot.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 10:57:57 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 10:24:11 am
uhh, yes here too... especially if you follow the thought a little further and also think about him on horseback...

*faints*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 13, 2006, 10:58:50 am
Beret?

I thought we covered this already? Police don't wear Berets in the United States~ he he he! You've been over seas too long Louisev! :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 11:00:19 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 13, 2006, 10:58:50 am
Beret?

I thought we covered this already? Police don't wear Berets in the United States~ he he he! You've been over seas too long Louisev! :)

maybe I have.  It isnt a beret per se, it is an abbreviated cap.  Ennis just calls it a beret.  It is a little more formal than the brimmed hat which is also police wear.#

See below:

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1866/beret6eh.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 13, 2006, 11:02:35 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 10:14:06 am
Yes, he certainly has been "in the flesh."  Is there anyone else here besides me that finds Ennis looking after his horses while stark naked to be somewhat titillating?

Way ahead of ya there Darlin!

(http://static.flickr.com/53/124486703_38958c32f6.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 11:11:32 am
*HOLY SMOKES!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 11:13:56 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 13, 2006, 11:02:35 am
Way ahead of ya there Darlin!

OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 11:14:16 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 13, 2006, 11:02:35 am
Way ahead of ya there Darlin!


Hey David, I remember seeing that pic.  Who is the artist?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 11:17:03 am
Quote from: Helen on July 13, 2006, 11:13:56 am
OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD.

LOL, Helen, I love that reaction!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 11:22:01 am
We have only 18 voters in the poll and I know there are more than 18 people here. Go vote, go vote! Ennis and Ellery, They're Serious in the Polling Place.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 11:31:27 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 11:22:01 am
We have only 18 voters in the poll and I know there are more than 18 people here. Go vote, go vote! Ennis and Ellery, They're Serious in the Polling Place.

Leslie
I've voted Leslie  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 11:32:27 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 11:17:03 am
LOL, Helen, I love that reaction!
me too  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: lia on July 13, 2006, 11:33:00 am
Louise, easy to see you are into computers. I can remember a time when people learnt COBOL and FORTRAN ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 11:34:06 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/72578.html  "Chapter 85:  Persistence"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 11:35:23 am
we have more than 18 people here?  REALLY?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: lia on July 13, 2006, 11:36:19 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 11:34:06 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/72578.html  "Chapter 84:  Persistence"

Chapter 85
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 11:39:38 am
thank you for keeping me honest, Lia!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 11:43:58 am
Quote from: lia on July 13, 2006, 11:33:00 am
Louise, easy to see you are into computers. I can remember a time when people learnt COBOL and FORTRAN ;D

Ya, Louise, are you a programmer?  What language(s) do you program in?  :)
I am a Java and C++ girl myself!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: lia on July 13, 2006, 11:45:20 am
as usual :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 11:47:29 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 13, 2006, 11:02:35 am
Way ahead of ya there Darlin!

http://static.flickr.com/53/124486703_38958c32f6.jpg?v=0[/img]

Holy Smokes is right, but, wouldn't bareback be more comfortable (not to be practical or anything, but wouldn't it)?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 11:55:06 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 11:47:29 am
Holy Smokes is right, but, wouldn't bareback be more comfortable (not to be practical or anything, but wouldn't it)?

A saddle is fine, but they should have a towel or something under them...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 11:56:33 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 11:34:06 am
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/72578.html  "Chapter 85:  Persistence"


Spoiler:



Louise (or anyone else): I don't understand the 'before Bill' part of this sentence...
"It was after five when Ellery headed back to Laramie from Elk Mountain, the mystery of Brad Sevigny still rankling in his mind. Before Bill, he would return to the university and catch the homecoming summer school students filing back into Langley Hall, smiling indulgently at the girls and impressing the boys and digging for the truth… but his chest was aching with sympathy for the parents who had inexplicably lost an only child, and he knew without the autopsy or the real identity of the mysterious roommate, he would be shooting in the dark."

That was a nice chapter, and I am looking forward to Mr. Coyote's return in the next one.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 12:11:49 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 13, 2006, 11:43:58 am
Ya, Louise, are you a programmer?  What language(s) do you program in?  :)
I am a Java and C++ girl myself!

I use a proprietary tool set on top of a C library. I dont actually have to USE the third generation languages myself, it is in a specialized area of workflow design for internal problem management.

That sounds so icky.  Ew ew ew.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 12:13:08 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 11:56:33 am
Spoiler:



Louise (or anyone else): I don't understand the 'before Bill' part of this sentence...
"It was after five when Ellery headed back to Laramie from Elk Mountain, the mystery of Brad Sevigny still rankling in his mind. Before Bill, he would return to the university and catch the homecoming summer school students filing back into Langley Hall, smiling indulgently at the girls and impressing the boys and digging for the truth… but his chest was aching with sympathy for the parents who had inexplicably lost an only child, and he knew without the autopsy or the real identity of the mysterious roommate, he would be shooting in the dark."

That was a nice chapter, and I am looking forward to Mr. Coyote's return in the next one.   ;D

I fixed it.  I was pretty hot, cranky, and waiting desperately for a thunderstorm to break the humidity at the time I wrote that.  You, lia, and of course, Leslie have massaged Chapter er, 85 into readable shape now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 12:14:01 pm
and might I add...

since I have already written three chapters today, I am sitting at home, sipping Vittel mineralwater and trying out the new chat client!  Anyone who would like to come chat, hurry up!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 13, 2006, 12:17:50 pm
Waitaminute! You're not leaving it there, are you?!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 12:20:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 12:11:49 pm
I use a proprietary tool set on top of a C library. I dont actually have to USE the third generation languages myself, it is in a specialized area of workflow design for internal problem management.

That sounds so icky.  Ew ew ew.

 ???  ???  ???  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 12:21:55 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 13, 2006, 12:17:50 pm
Waitaminute! You're not leaving it there, are you?!
We'll have some HOT sex to look forward to, hehehe  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 12:22:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 12:11:49 pm
I use a proprietary tool set on top of a C library. I dont actually have to USE the third generation languages myself, it is in a specialized area of workflow design for internal problem management.

That sounds so icky.  Ew ew ew.

Not icky ... sounds fun fun fun!  ;D

Would love to join you ladies at the chat, but I rather not do that as well, at work...
hanging around the board while at work is naughty enough!  ;D


Quote from: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 12:20:04 pm

 ???  ???  ???  ;D

Lol BigH!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 12:33:24 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 12:21:55 pm
We'll have some HOT sex to look forward to, hehehe  ;D

WHAT?  You guys didn't have enough?  Yesterday's sex wore off already?

I think Ennis agrees with you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 12:34:12 pm
ok guys here is our full and complete description of LAUREN:

“You gettin a new bartender?”  came the soft voice of the lanky assistant, holding his broom as if to ward off danger with it.

soft voiced, lanky.  Now ... the field is open, and we can dispense with the scrawnies.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 13, 2006, 01:03:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 12:33:24 pm
WHAT?  You guys didn't have enough?  Yesterday's sex wore off already?

I think Ennis agrees with you.


Of course we havnt had enough sex, have we?  Just ask Leslie what happened when we discovered she wasnt going to do a christening the bed scene!!! She did of course in the end, and it was well worth it I might add. ;)  Is Ennis going to try out the erm, ahem, you know, ermmmmmmm, "toys" that Ellery keeps in his bottom drawer? ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 01:07:35 pm
Quote from: Jane on July 13, 2006, 01:03:12 pm
Of course we havnt had enough sex, have we? 
Nope, not by a long shot   ;D
Look forward to some more 'nipping'  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 01:10:18 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 12:34:12 pm
ok guys here is our full and complete description of LAUREN:

'You gettin a new bartender?' came the soft voice of the lanky assistant, holding his broom as if to ward off danger with it.  soft voiced, lanky.  Now ... the field is open, and we can dispense with the scrawnies.

I still vote for him!  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren3_1.jpg)


(http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2005/Oct/06/FPI510060310AR_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 01:26:57 pm
I'm with Lucise :)


You just can't have every guy in your story being skinny...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 13, 2006, 01:48:58 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 12, 2006, 02:32:47 pm
Oh me too!!!  :)
What will I do when I'm gone for 3 weeks.... :'( :'( :'(

You'll do what I've been doing for the last month while I've been away on holiday. Looking desperately for internet cafes to sneak into and searching out local libraries with internet access. The one near where I am staying has computers with only 15 minute access and the rest need to be booked. Otherwise I am paying out a mint at the local coffee shop with Internet access. Have fun! Otherwise get a laptop.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 13, 2006, 01:55:15 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 12, 2006, 06:22:07 pm
I sometimes have a hard time visualizing the older Ennis in E and E, I always think of young Ennis - I just realized it's because we never get to see old(er) Ennis happy in the movie - and he is so happy with Ellery (most of the time) that I automatically insert happy young Ennis in my visions.

I'm glad I figured that out!  (the hang up was bugging me)

I sometimes see the older Ennis as looking something like Tommy Lee Jones (but taller).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 13, 2006, 02:06:01 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 10:24:11 am
uhh, yes here too... especially if you follow the thought a little further and also think about him on horseback...

Ever heard the story of the guy who said he lost his viginity on horseback while he was being abducted by a sheik?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 02:08:20 pm
MM - tommy lee jones as older ennis. hmn. will have to think on that one.  no, i have not heard the story about the guy losing his virginity on horseback!

you should come chat!

sorry you can't join us lucise!

my vote for lauren also remains with gregory smith, can't tell if louise likes him or not...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 13, 2006, 02:12:19 pm
Thanks for the invite. Its a bit difficult as I am in internet cafe. Will chat when I get back to home computer
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 02:18:59 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 13, 2006, 02:06:01 pm
Ever heard the story of the guy who said he lost his viginity on horseback while he was being abducted by a sheik?

Did he consider this a good thing or a bad thing?  It sounds hot!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 02:23:48 pm
In the time it took me to go out to lunch, we have passed "The Performance" and "Let's write a brokeback limerick" and are now number 5 on the list for "most replies."

In a few posts we'll be at an even 1300, too.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 13, 2006, 02:24:39 pm
Helen I think he thought it was terrific and used to boast about it to all and sundry.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 02:30:49 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 13, 2006, 02:24:39 pm
Helen I think he thought it was terrific and used to boast about it to all and sundry.

Excellent!  It's something I'd be boasting about for sure!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 02:32:18 pm
1300! Wowza!

I should put something special, a prop or something...weill do that later, need to work right now.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 02:32:36 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 13, 2006, 01:48:58 pm
You'll do what I've been doing for the last month while I've been away on holiday. Looking desperately for internet cafes to sneak into and searching out local libraries with internet access. The one near where I am staying has computers with only 15 minute access and the rest need to be booked. Otherwise I am paying out a mint at the local coffee shop with Internet access. Have fun! Otherwise get a laptop.
Hehehe  :D
I'm taking my laptop and I'll see what the internet connection is like in my room! And probably end up never leaving it or not going to sleep for 3 weeks LOL  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 02:33:16 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/72900.html  "Chapter 86:  Sustenance"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 02:35:38 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 02:33:16 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/72900.html  "Chapter 86:  Sustenance"

Louise, I just LUV the chapter titles of late.  **Happily goes off to ger herself some Sustenance.**
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 03:17:43 pm
1300+ Posts .. ;D  :D

Woohoo for E & E !!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_11-1.jpg)

 :D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 13, 2006, 03:18:39 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 02:33:16 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/72900.html  "Chapter 86:  Sustenance"

Sustenance for Ennis and Ellery and sustenance for us, too. Thank you, Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 03:21:06 pm
I am so glad you are all enjoying this so much, thank you for all of your readership and attention!

And yes, I am still in chat for a while longer tonight!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 03:35:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 03:21:06 pm
I am so glad you are all enjoying this so much, thank you for all of your readership and attention!


It is definitely some very very high class entertainment here Louise!
THANK YOU!


 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 03:48:36 pm
Lucise that was a great picture or our E and E... I love the big grin on HJ's face.
 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 03:53:19 pm
yes it is great. I love your artwork! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 04:20:20 pm
Let's bring the love to this page too ...  :P
(Leave it to Mr Coyote to put that huge grin on Ellery's face..
I bet he is grabbing his ass there!)   ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_11-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 04:27:00 pm
I really do love that picture...that is definitely Ellery in my brain forever.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 05:02:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 03:53:19 pm
yes it is great. I love your artwork! 
Me too!
Thank you Lucise!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 05:03:51 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 13, 2006, 03:35:31 pm
It is definitely some very very high class entertainment here Louise!
THANK YOU!


 ;)
I can't thank you enough Louise, really!!  :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 05:10:21 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 05:02:47 pm
Me too!
Thank you Lucise!  :)

 Yer welcome!  ;) I am just thrilled that nobody is fed up with my picture obsession ..yet!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 13, 2006, 05:49:17 pm
not in the least, Lucise, they are lovely and wonderful, and sometimes I have laughed my butt off at the galleries!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 13, 2006, 06:02:22 pm
Lucise - that last picture was somewhat awesome!!  Thank you :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 06:13:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 02:33:16 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/72900.html  "Chapter 86:  Sustenance"
Louise - I'm completely in love with this chapter.
It was SO special
I adore Ennis and Ellery
Thank you SO much  :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on July 13, 2006, 06:16:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 13, 2006, 04:27:00 pm
I really do love that picture...that is definitely Ellery in my brain forever.


Yep, I agree.. a striking couple.  Only second to Jack (R.I.P).  Sorry, had to throw that in.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 06:21:55 pm
Quote from: DeeDee on July 13, 2006, 06:16:06 pm

Yep, I agree.. a striking couple.  Only second to Jack (R.I.P).  Sorry, had to throw that in.

Dee ..of course, we can never forget these two... :-*

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/smileyseethruwave.gif)


(http://www.bioscop.cz/_web/_filmy/b_zkrocena_hora/fotografie/nahledy_nejvetsi/145_zkrocena_hora.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 13, 2006, 06:36:30 pm
Tell you what.... truth is......sometimes I miss Jack as much as Ennis does.      :'(

(http://static.flickr.com/56/110292010_75c5671603.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 13, 2006, 06:51:08 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 13, 2006, 03:17:43 pm
1300+ Posts .. ;D  :D

Woohoo for E & E !!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_11-1.jpg)

 :D



I thought I posted something a while back, but I did something wrong and it never showed up.
so I'm trying again.  This internet will b the death of me yet.  Luchise, your Ennis and Ellery are just what the doctofr ordered.  Great!!  For Lauren, could you put the candidates together?  Hard for me to follow which one is which.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 07:03:16 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 13, 2006, 06:21:55 pm
Dee ..of course, we can never forget these two... :-*

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/smileyseethruwave.gif)


(http://www.bioscop.cz/_web/_filmy/b_zkrocena_hora/fotografie/nahledy_nejvetsi/145_zkrocena_hora.jpg)
No, I will never ever forget about them. Ever  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 13, 2006, 07:05:53 pm
I really really LOVE that pic. They are both so fucking adorable. Those legs.... *sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 13, 2006, 07:26:35 pm
"What do ya mean Edna didn't pack no biscuits for us?"

(http://static.flickr.com/54/189058137_d3dfd2075f_m.jpg)

(he he he,   always looking for good pics of older Ennis)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 08:05:57 pm
I just saved that pic David!  :P  Cheers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 08:13:49 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 13, 2006, 06:51:08 pm
  For Lauren, could you put the candidates together?  Hard for me to follow which one is which.  Thanks.

Yap..so here are the Lauren contenders:

(1)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren.jpg)

(2)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/topher090505.jpg)

(3)
(http://www.blueonelove.it/foto/duncan1.jpg)

(4)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren3_1.jpg)(http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2005/Oct/06/FPI510060310AR_b.jpg)


Number (4) gets my vote!  Who is your Lauren?  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 13, 2006, 08:49:37 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 13, 2006, 08:13:49 pm
Yap..so here are the Lauren contenders:

(1)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren.jpg)

(2)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/topher090505.jpg)

(3)
(http://www.blueonelove.it/foto/duncan1.jpg)

(4)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren3_1.jpg)(http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2005/Oct/06/FPI510060310AR_b.jpg)


Number (4) Get my vote!  Who is your Lauren?  :)



Number four!  you got it.  Number 1 almost got my vote, but I guess niobody else thought so.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 13, 2006, 09:25:34 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 13, 2006, 08:13:49 pm

Number (4) Get my vote!  Who is your Lauren?  :)

Mine Too
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 13, 2006, 09:27:08 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 13, 2006, 06:36:30 pm
Tell you what.... truth is......sometimes I miss Jack as much as Ennis does.      :'(

http://static.flickr.com/56/110292010_75c5671603.jpg?v=0 (http://static.flickr.com/56/110292010_75c5671603.jpg?v=0)

DAVID!  this manip is STUNNING!  Thank you!

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 13, 2006, 09:27:55 pm
Put me down for Lauren #4.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 09:31:16 pm

Looks like Number (4) is well on his way to being our Lauren!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 13, 2006, 09:49:33 pm
I couldn't help but notice that now that Ennis and Ellery have taken steps to make their relationship permanent, a number of posters are reminiscing about Jack. Are you worried that Jack is forgotten somehow? This thread is one place where you don't have to worry about that. No one here will ever forget how Ennis came to this new relationship and that Jack's memory has shaped (and will continue to be a part of) Ennis' new life. Jack lives on in Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 13, 2006, 10:40:55 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 13, 2006, 09:49:33 pm
I couldn't help but notice that now that Ennis and Ellery have taken steps to make their relationship permanent, a number of posters are reminiscing about Jack. Are you worried that Jack is forgotten somehow? This thread is one place where you don't have to worry about that. No one here will ever forget how Ennis came to this new relationship and that Jack's memory has shaped (and will continue to be a part of) Ennis' new life. Jack lives on in Ennis.

I'm not worried that Jack will be forgotten.     Ellery is great, don't get me wrong.   But we have all had so much more exposure to Jack from the movie.  We've seen his face (and Ass,  LOL) so much more than Ellery.   I love the bond that has developed between Ennis and Elllery.  We just need H.J. to act out all these scenes for us with Heath!

Jeff Wrangler said that Jack and Ennis will always be with him in his heart.   So very true.     I feel the loss of Jack in my heart as well.   At least with the Laramie Saga Ennis still seems alive to me.   

Silly isn't it?     :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 13, 2006, 10:47:38 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 13, 2006, 10:40:55 pm

Silly isn't it?     :-\

Nope, not silly at all David.

Most of us agree that Ellery is no threat to Jack or his memory, how can he be?
It is because Jack&Ennis were, that Ellery is possible in Ennis' life ...
There should never be any 'competition' between Jack and Ellery as far as I am concerned.   Bottom line is, Ellery's presence does NOT cancel out Jack's presence in Ennis' and our minds/thoughts  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 13, 2006, 11:08:32 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 13, 2006, 10:47:38 pm
Nope, not silly at all David.

Most of us agree that Ellery is no threat to Jack or his memory, how can he be?
It is because Jack&Ennis were, that Ellery is possible in Ennis' life ...
There should never be any 'competition' between Jack and Ellery as far as I am concerned.   Bottom line is, Ellery's presence does NOT cancel out Jack's presence in Ennis' and our minds/thoughts  :)


Lucise I agree with everything you said 100% (and what David and neatfreak have said as well). 

One of the reasons I really like the Beefy!Ennis pic is because it is new and different Ennis...  some of the other ones are a little odd for me at times.  Occasionally my reaction is, "But that's when he was with Jack, Ellery shouldn't be there."  Or, "Those are Ennis' eyes looking at Jack, not looking at Ellery."

(Personally, it is hard for me to think about Jack sometimes, I don't think I've fully grieved him yet, I'm behind our Ennis on that one.  I understand my relationship with Ennis and Ellery much better than I understand my relationship with Jack, I'm not exactly sure why that is - shall have to dwell on it some.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 14, 2006, 01:40:46 am
Numero 4 Lauren for me :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 04:29:51 am

One of the reasons that I made Ellery such a different person... physically, psychologically, professionally (and sexually) is because my own philosophy about moving on and loving again is not about "replacing" people.  Jack cannot be replaced.  Nor could Ennis have loved Ellery unless he had first loved Jack, and lost him so tragically.  None of what happened in Laramie could have happened, had Ennis met Ellery first... because they lived in different worlds, and because the Ennis that refused Jack could not have accepted Ellery before Jack died, and Ennis went through his vale of mourning.

For me, the biggest problem of reading and seeing "Brokeback Mountain" was Ennis remaining behind, alone in grief, without his nature as a homosexual man having unfolded.  And in fact, his ability to respond to Ellery is because he is so different.  I think if he had met someone who looked like Jack he might have run back to Junior's sitting room and never ventured out.  It was his capacity to love Jack that gives him the capacity to love Ellery, and in my own experience as well as that of others, it is this capacity to love deeply that allows someone who has loved and lost, to move on, because the impulse to love another and embrace him is a capacity that is not limited to a single person at a single time, but can be extended to family, children, friends, mentors, and yes, to a new lover.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 14, 2006, 05:23:04 am
Quote from: louisev on July 13, 2006, 06:05:18 am
I have decided to continue writing the Laramie Saga into a fourth book. 

Excellent news :) 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 14, 2006, 05:24:59 am
Beautifully worded Louise  :) and I agree with you 100%  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 14, 2006, 05:26:48 am
Just a slight deviation.....loved the last two drabbles Louise.  Heath better get to it now!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 14, 2006, 06:04:44 am
Like a river, the great driving current throughout BBM is love.  Ennis' and Jack love was constricted and had to run underground. But love, as Louise just said, cannot restricted to one person or thing. And the object of love cannot be contained in just one person. It is the qualities in that person that are loved. And the capacity to love, once aroused and set free, can never be restricted just to one person either. It is too big for that. Ennis capacity to love has emerged and now runs like a wild river. (Sorry for waxing lyrical here.)

This is what is at the heart of the Ennis and Jack forever club versus Ennis moves on.

The difficulty is that Jack is such a charismatic and sympathetic figure. I have characterised him as Princess Diana as opposed to Ennis as Prince Charles. As such, it is very hard to let Jack go as an individual. We still feel his pull and feel the pang of his loss even as we celebrate Ennis' new life with Ellery. Those who cannot give up Jack, cannot allow Ennis to wander off into new relationships.  The Jack and Ennis forever people have somehow taken the powerful BBM concept of Love as a Force of Nature as embodied only in the Jack-Ennis relationship. Without that relationship, love somehow dies or its purity is somehow sullied. Almost like a religious dogma, Love can only be given expression through Jack and Ennis. It is like there is only one true  love and its name is Jack and Ennis.

Because of the powerful emotional impact of BBM and because the Jack and Ennis characters are somehow internalised by those who have been deeply affected by this film, people respond viscerally to how Jack and Ennis are represented in fan fics and how Ennis faces life after Jack. There is no doubt in my mind that similar processes are at work which run parallel to religious responses. Some people develop official scripture and dogma to be defended while others, like the gnostics of old, use the spiritual impact of the experience to develop their own understanding and are prepared to go where the impulse takes them in that quest for greater understanding and healing. Jack and Ennis and what they represent in a psychological sense, should not be preserved in aspic, but retain that dynamic quality which hit us all with such force when we first saw the film.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 06:30:17 am
Magicmountain,

Wow. That's great. Thanks for posting that.

Your last paragraph....the religious dogma vs. the gnostics. Very interesting comment. It makes me think of those of  who embody certain religious beliefs that would not allow them to see and experience BBM. Now we have people who have seen the movie, felt its impact, but are denying themselves an additional dimension of the "experience" that is BBM. Their loss.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 14, 2006, 06:40:00 am
<wakes up, rubs eyes>  YAWN!  <rolls over to the right> "G'morning Ennis".

<rolls over to the left> "G'moring Ellery".

<bedroom door opens>   

"Ah, here comes Dupree with our breakfast".

Dupree:"Burnt Biscuits and hot butter.  Now who wants me to butter their buns first?"

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 14, 2006, 07:02:19 am
it's posts like these:
Quote from: louisev on July 14, 2006, 04:29:51 am
One of the reasons that I made Ellery such a different person... physically, psychologically, professionally (and sexually) is because my own philosophy about moving on and loving again is not about "replacing" people.  Jack cannot be replaced.  Nor could Ennis have loved Ellery unless he had first loved Jack, and lost him so tragically.  None of what happened in Laramie could have happened, had Ennis met Ellery first... because they lived in different worlds, and because the Ennis that refused Jack could not have accepted Ellery before Jack died, and Ennis went through his vale of mourning.

For me, the biggest problem of reading and seeing "Brokeback Mountain" was Ennis remaining behind, alone in grief, without his nature as a homosexual man having unfolded.  And in fact, his ability to respond to Ellery is because he is so different.  I think if he had met someone who looked like Jack he might have run back to Junior's sitting room and never ventured out.  It was his capacity to love Jack that gives him the capacity to love Ellery, and in my own experience as well as that of others, it is this capacity to love deeply that allows someone who has loved and lost, to move on, because the impulse to love another and embrace him is a capacity that is not limited to a single person at a single time, but can be extended to family, children, friends, mentors, and yes, to a new lover.
beautifully said Louise, thanks

and these:
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 14, 2006, 06:40:00 am
<wakes up, rubs eyes>  YAWN!  <rolls over to the right> "G'morning Ennis".

<rolls over to the left> "G'moring Ellery".

<bedroom door opens>  

"Ah, here comes Dupree with our breakfast".

Dupree:"Burnt Biscuits and hot butter.  Now who wants me to butter their buns first?"

 ;)


that make me love this thread soooo much :)
 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 07:37:46 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 14, 2006, 06:40:00 am
<wakes up, rubs eyes>  YAWN!  <rolls over to the right> "G'morning Ennis".

<rolls over to the left> "G'moring Ellery".

<bedroom door opens>   

"Ah, here comes Dupree with our breakfast".

Dupree:"Burnt Biscuits and hot butter.  Now who wants me to butter their buns first?"

 ;)

now that would make an interesting comic outtake!  Buttered buns indeed!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 14, 2006, 07:52:07 am
I love hearing the insights that you and your readers have, Louise. It really adds to the experience of reading the Laramie Saga.

I was listening to Pat Metheny's "Spiritual" last night; it is a wonderfully sensual piece that Annie Proulx listenened to over and over as she struggled to write the paragraph about the dozy embrace in the original story. Made me start thinking about our boys and how I would love to read your description of Ellery getting Ennis to dance, a real slooooooow and romantic interlude that lasts just about forever and leads to.. well, you take it from there. What a great way to celebrate their newfound commitment.

I know it's been done in other fics, but not with our Ellery. Whaddaya think, Louise?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 14, 2006, 07:52:24 am
Ennis:"Now you keep your slop bucket mouth shut.  If anyones gonna be buttering my mans buns it's gonna be Mr.Coyote!"

(http://static.flickr.com/1/183594257_bdbae6fa78.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 07:59:13 am
Looking at that picture makes me think, David...that trailer was such a dump, and now we have Ennis cleaning, vacuuming, making the bed. Was he really Mr. Neat and Tidy beforehand? And with Alma, it sure didn't look like he did much (yes, he was working all the time, I'll grant you that). That's the way I wrote "my" Ennis, actually, and he admits it. But then he and Jack sort of fall into their roles and Ennis cleans while Jack cooks.

I guess, re: the trailer and now...we can just say that Ennis was depressed, then, and now he is happy. Thus the change. And, he did fold up Alma's sweater and put it away. Maybe he really is Mr. Neat and Tidy, it was just that that ugly trailer was more than he could cope with, given his frame of mind.

Yeah, that works.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 08:15:50 am
ah hah, once again I caught you Leslie.

My Ennis is story Ennis, remember?  If you can point out anywhere in Annie's story that said Ennis was sloppy you go ahead.  I'm not responsible for all of the film's assumptions!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 14, 2006, 08:26:53 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 14, 2006, 06:40:00 am
<wakes up, rubs eyes>  YAWN!  <rolls over to the right> "G'morning Ennis".

<rolls over to the left> "G'moring Ellery".

<bedroom door opens>   

"Ah, here comes Dupree with our breakfast".

Dupree:"Burnt Biscuits and hot butter.  Now who wants me to butter their buns first?"

 ;)
Heeeee!! This is so funny!
You wish..... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 08:29:09 am
Quote from: louisev on July 14, 2006, 08:15:50 am
ah hah, once again I caught you Leslie.

My Ennis is story Ennis, remember?  If you can point out anywhere in Annie's story that said Ennis was sloppy you go ahead.  I'm not responsible for all of the film's assumptions!

You'll fight me on this, I know, "The stale coffee is boiling up....he pours it into a stained cup..."

It is in the prologue paragraph that is in the book, the paragraph that is not in the New Yorker and I know you use the New Yorker version as canon. However, supposedly Annie wrote it with that paragraph and the New Yorker editors took it out. She wanted it in, which is why it is in the book.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 14, 2006, 08:30:01 am
Leslie - your avatar is gorgeous!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 14, 2006, 08:50:32 am
I think Ennis was Mr Neat and Tidy.  Rewind to his time up on Brokeback with Jack....he fussed over the tent, he always made sure he cleaned up after meals.

Personally I think that for most of the rest of the time he was depressed.  Depressed folks don't give a fuck about pissing in the sink or drinking old coffee from stained cups.  I remember the scene where Alma tries to persuade him to go to the church social.  He doesn't want to go, but neither is he enjoying what he is doing...just lying on the sofa, drinking and mindlessly watching TV.

I also think that his natural inclination is towards being tidy, but as a man of his time he just wouldn't think of it when he was married to Alma.  Those were her duties.

Up on the mountain with Jack is where we see the real Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 09:00:37 am
Quote from: Bigheart on July 14, 2006, 08:30:01 am
Leslie - your avatar is gorgeous!  :)

Thanks, June.

I don't change it very often. This one has some significance for me.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 09:02:18 am
Quote from: Helen on July 14, 2006, 08:50:32 am
I think Ennis was Mr Neat and Tidy.  Rewind to his time up on Brokeback with Jack....he fussed over the tent, he always made sure he cleaned up after meals.

Personally I think that for most of the rest of the time he was depressed.  Depressed folks don't give a fuck about pissing in the sink or drinking old coffee from stained cups.  I remember the scene where Alma tries to persuade him to go to the church social.  He doesn't want to go, but neither is he enjoying what he is doing...just lying on the sofa, drinking and mindlessly watching TV.

I also think that his natural inclination is towards being tidy, but as a man of his time he just wouldn't think of it when he was married to Alma.  Those were her duties.

Up on the mountain with Jack is where we see the real Ennis.

Works for me, Helen. Very good points, well taken.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 14, 2006, 09:07:40 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 09:02:18 am
Works for me, Helen. Very good points, well taken.

Leslie
Works for me too  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 09:27:35 am
David posted this over in Heath Heath Heath but I thought we needed it here, too. Omigod, I so love this man's face. You can see his curls in this one, too.

(http://static.flickr.com/59/189351198_d46e071469.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 14, 2006, 09:31:34 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 09:27:35 am
David posted this over in Heath Heath Heath but I thought we needed it here, too. Omigod, I so love this man's face. You can see his curls in this one, too.

(http://static.flickr.com/59/189351198_d46e071469.jpg?v=0)

He is so beautiful! And yes - I love the curls, too!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 14, 2006, 09:49:39 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 14, 2006, 07:52:07 am
I was listening to Pat Metheny's "Spiritual" last night;

 I would love to read your description of Ellery getting Ennis to dance.


Funny you should mention this, Neatfreak, because I have been picturing E and E dancing, too. Maybe all alone one night after the bar closes...

I love Spiritual, also. In fact, there is another of Pat Metheny's songs on BBM Radio. It caught my ear the first time I heard it because it just seemed similar, so I wasn't surprised when I checked the playlist and found out who it was.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 10:03:38 am
besides y'all...

I already explained why Ennis was cleaning up and keeping things all shipshape for Ellery (who was no slob when they met, by the way, mainly because he mostly ate Doritos and snack cakes and never dirtied a pan at home)... because he feels he has to pay his way.  But I do get a kick out of the way he is always sprucing up the bed, just in time for them to mess it all up again.

Love the picture of Ennis by the window with the hat on.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 10:08:51 am
Quote from: louisev on July 14, 2006, 10:03:38 am
besides y'all...

I already explained why Ennis was cleaning up and keeping things all shipshape for Ellery (who was no slob when they met, by the way, mainly because he mostly ate Doritos and snack cakes and never dirtied a pan at home)... because he feels he has to pay his way.  But I do get a kick out of the way he is always sprucing up the bed, just in time for them to mess it all up again.

Love the picture of Ennis by the window with the hat on.

I'm assuming this is a king size bed, right, Louise? You've never given us that detail, that I recall.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 14, 2006, 10:12:11 am
I recently watched an early Heath Ledger film called something like 10 Reasons Why I Hate You in which he played a scruffy teenager ambling about. It was fascinating to see in that so very young face, the flashes of expressions we see on the older face when he plays Ennis. Ennis is hiding in there alright.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 10:29:12 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 10:08:51 am
I'm assuming this is a king size bed, right, Louise? You've never given us that detail, that I recall.

L

It is more along the lines of a queen sized bed,  but it is one of those extremely springy orthopedic ones that once cost an arm and a leg, you know, like the Serta Perfect Sleeper.  He has that size bed, of course, due to his height.  A king size bed is wider, but is no longer than a queen size bed so it gives no advantage to a tall person.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 14, 2006, 10:37:47 am
Quote from: tamarack on July 14, 2006, 09:49:39 am
I love Spiritual, also. In fact, there is another of Pat Metheny's songs on BBM Radio.

I'll bet you're talking about "Map of the World." I have both of these tracks on a CD comprised of instrumentals I heard on BB Radio. I get all swoony when I listen to it, as I was last night. (Thus the dance scene.) My kids are sick to death of listening to that CD, but it's probably because they can't listen to their heavy metal stuff when it's on. Let them listen to their iPods, I say!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 14, 2006, 10:38:10 am
It would have to be a queen sized bed.   The average ranch style house wouldn't have bedrooms large enough to fit a King sized bed without it taking up the entire room!

But then again, with the sex drive of those two............ ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 10:38:28 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 14, 2006, 10:12:11 am
I recently watched an early Heath Ledger film called something like 10 Reasons Why I Hate You in which he played a scruffy teenager ambling about. It was fascinating to see in that so very young face, the flashes of expressions we see on the older face when he plays Ennis. Ennis is hiding in there alright.

I haven't seen that movie, but I want to. One of these days.

I watched Monster's Ball not all that long ago...this is the one that Larry McMurtry saw and said, "That's Ennis!" of Heath Ledger's performance. It's true. Heath is not in the movie for a terribly long time (about 20 minutes) and makes an abrupt and disturbing departure. I will never watch it again but I am glad I saw it once.

Everyone laughs at me, but I liked "A Knight's Tale." Heath is such a heart throb in that..that was in his heart throb period and it works. Paul Bettany (Chaucer) is priceless.

I want to see Candy, but when I do, I doubt it will be in a theater. Probably on DVD for me. A few Australian members of Bettermost saw it, said it was very intense but Heath was excellent.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 10:39:03 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 14, 2006, 10:38:10 am
It would have to be a queen sized bed.   The average ranch style house wouldn't have bedrooms large enough to fit a King sized bed without it taking up the entire room!

But then again, with the sex drive of those two............ ::)

The workaround is to get a captain's bed  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 14, 2006, 10:50:49 am
Quote from: tamarack on July 14, 2006, 09:49:39 am
Funny you should mention this, Neatfreak, because I have been picturing E and E dancing, too. Maybe all alone one night after the bar closes...

I love Spiritual, also. In fact, there is another of Pat Metheny's songs on BBM Radio. It caught my ear the first time I heard it because it just seemed similar, so I wasn't surprised when I checked the playlist and found out who it was.


That's funny. I had the same vision of those two dancing as I was listening to some music.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 14, 2006, 10:52:22 am
You know, as usual I keep hitting "refresh" as I await the next chapter. But I have never been so content to reread a chapter as I have "Sustenance." What a powerful and moving part of this story!

*SIGH*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 11:39:40 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 10:38:28 am

Everyone laughs at me, but I liked "A Knight's Tale." Heath is such a heart throb in that..that was in his heart throb period and it works. Paul Bettany (Chaucer) is priceless.

Who laughs at you?  ??? 
I loved A Knight's Tale, Heath was definitely beautiful in that.  His leading lady was also a looker!  :)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/kt2.jpg)

I saw '10 things I hate about you' - cute teenage movie. 
I really loved 'Four feathers' and 'The order' - I just buy every Heath movie I come across..lol!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 11:42:08 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 14, 2006, 11:39:40 am
Who laughs at you?  ??? 
I loved A Knight's Tale, Heath was definitely beautiful in that.  His leading lady was also a looker!  :)


That's right, I forgot. I am among friends here! LOL

I loved, and have watched it over and over, the scene where they are dancing and it turns into "Golden Years." For some reason, I just melt all over the floor with that one.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 11:47:40 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 11:42:08 am
I loved, and have watched it over and over, the scene where they are dancing and it turns into "Golden Years." For some reason, I just melt all over the floor with that one.

Guess what? I am actually listening to 'A Knight's Tale' soundtrack now... :D 
I got the CD here at work..  And you're right, that scene is hawt!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 11:58:10 am
I was just reading some other comments about the Jack and Ennis forever club.

Given the story I wrote, some might assume (incorrectly) that I belong to that club. I  don't. For me, each story is its own separate experience and stands (or falls) on its own merits. Reading a story about movingon!Ennis does not negate a very good story that has Jack & Ennis 4ever. I am really mystified by these people who say "I CAN'T read a story about Ennis with someone else!". If it ended there, actually, it would be okay. But usually it doesn't. The statement is usually followed by some sort of disparaging remark about the person who would dare to write such a story and the people who would dare to read it.

Guess what? It's all fiction. None of it is true. Why oh why do people let themselves go off the deep end about all this?

I just got an email from a friend whose 23 yo son was diagnosed with a recurrent Grade 4 glioma (brain tumor) and has a prognosis of about 9 to 12 months. Not good. This is real life, not whether Ennis could, should, or would ever fall in love again. Sometimes it helps to put things in perspective.

Sorry for the pensive moment. Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 12:10:00 pm
Well said Leslie!
My heart goes out to your friend and her son..   :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 12:10:49 pm
Sorry for the delay in posting a new chapter.  I actually had to *gasp* WORK all day, chasing a field that was not getting set, which turns out to be a huge enormous problem in the current system because it probably causes other problems no one has noticed yet, and I was making out the failure ticket at 5 p.m., being the last one out the door.

So... I'm in the chat room, and i'm sipping cold mineralwater, and I have 400 grammes of my favorite cheese to sustain me (as well as white seedless grapes) and you guys really don't need to know what I eat while I make up a murder plot.

My friend and erstwhile editor Judy has made up a timeline of discrepancies in the Saga which will be corrected upon 2nd draft.  The first is references to Ellery being 20 when his father died.  When I started the third book I revised the timeline of his meeting Beagle and so that all got mashed up, but he was supposed to have lost his father before he entered college, which would have been age 17 (in 1963).  The second major discrepancy, of course, is Ennis's (and Junior's) ages and the event of Jack's death.  In the short story, Jack was killed sometime after May 1983, and I had always remembered this date as May 1982 and of course put him in Austin in August of 1982, Ennis being the wrong age when he gets to Laramie.  Suffice it to say that my story has everything revised to this 1982 event, and should be straightened out, putting Ennis at age 41 (his 41st birthday having passed during the action of the second book) and Junior at age 20 (coming up on 21 in September), when Ellery will turn 38.  Whew!

Not terrible or plot-distorting discrepancies, but unfortunately, I have linked some major action in "A Second Chance" to the development of AIDS and AIDS testing and cures, and we're going to have to stick with it being 1984 at this point!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 12:22:33 pm
After a day like that, Louise, I would be sipping something stronger than cold mineral water.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 14, 2006, 12:28:46 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 11:58:10 am
Given the story I wrote, some might assume (incorrectly) that I belong to that club. I  don't. For me, each story is its own separate experience and stands (or falls) on its own merits. Reading a story about movingon!Ennis does not negate a very good story that has Jack & Ennis 4ever.

I'm with you there Leslie.  I loved Somebody New and that was most definitely a JE4EVA story.  I love Divergent Dreams where Ennis has a bit of a blip with Tyler.  The stories I don't like are the ones where the author is obviously making Ennis suffer because s/he believes he has to be punished.  I find them to be somewhat disturbing.

Not only do I think that each story stands on its own merits...but I also think that each Jack and Ennis in these stories is a seperate entity to the Jack and Ennis of the movie (who, in turn, weren't quite llike the J and E of the short story).

In my series Some Sweet Life a few people have commented that Ennis is a bit less noncomunicative than they imagined him to be.  Which is fine because he is.  But then if he was totally canon with Movie!Ennis he wouldn't have got in Jack's truck after they came down from the mountain.  And that's always been my argument - NONE of the stories us fanfic authors tell will ever have either Ennis or Jack as totally canon because in order to write our stories some kind of change in character is needed.  Some are closer than others, of course, but they are all a little fantasy on our part.

And that is fine with me.  Real life is full of enough shit for me to want to depress myself further.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 01:15:36 pm
Will people just view and refresh, view and refresh a few times? We are about to pass the person below me game in number of views....my competitive streak is showing, isn't it?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 01:18:07 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 01:15:36 pm
Will people just view and refresh, view and refresh a few times? We are about to pass the person below me game in number of views....my competitive streak is showing, isn't it?


tsk tsk tsk Leslie ...  ;D 
I am sure we don't need to resort to those means ...LOL


I just realised that our last gallery post was almost 30 pages back.. :o (ok, about 25 pages back)
So I am about to do another update...
Any last minute props to add?  :)  ( I got the plugs and butter already ... :P )

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 01:20:07 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 14, 2006, 01:18:07 pm

tsk tsk tsk Leslie ...  ;D 
I am sure we don't need to resort to those means ...LOL


I just realised that our last gallery post was almost 30 pages back.. :o (ok, about 25 pages back)
So I am about to do another update...
Any last minute props to add?  :)



Give me a second, yes....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 01:22:15 pm
GALLERY Update ...  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/Sburst.gif)    The LARAMIE SAGA Cast GALLERY thus far:


The lads who started it all:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jack_ennis.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jack_ennis2.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/enn2-1.jpg)


The Chief Deputy Sheriff, Ellery Cantrell:  :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_HJ.jpg)


Ennis & Ellery:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_9.jpg)


Wayne:

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)


Gene:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/gene.jpg)


Carol (On and Off Duty)  ;D

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6IMdaFEw84AIQyjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13jo10kp5/EXP=1151518348/**http%3a//www.yolocountysheriff.com/myweb5/Sheriff%2520Final/images/command%2520staff/penny-sm.jpg)   (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000BB461C.01-A380UA15JJJ6B2._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg) 

Joe "Round's a Shape" Tooey ..   :)

(http://www.vmi.edu/resources/images/Auxilliary%20Services/Police/PP_Edward_Matheny.jpg)


Bill

(http://www.geocities.com/concreteangels2003/images/tony.jpg)


Wes & Edna

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shff-1.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/edn.jpg)


Dupree:   (On and Off Duty)  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/dpre.jpg)

(http://www.lonestarsteve.com/photos/lying_on_sofa.jpg)



Amos Marigold

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/attorney.jpg)


Jim

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shtls.jpg)


Beagle (Before & Now)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/breakfast2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bgle.jpg)


Nate, the radiator repairman

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiTo5KNEv3gA5LejzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12okedfbv/EXP=1151678056/**http%3a//images.richmond.com/images/storyimage/3-21-02cooter_story.jpg)   OR   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/naat.jpg)



At the Red Stallion: Left to right:  Rudy, Leon, Lang

(http://static.flickr.com/53/130985177_bf4eeb8b26.jpg)


Lauren

(http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2005/Oct/06/FPI510060310AR_b.jpg)



The Worrells:  Judge Evinrude and Justin 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jdgWrll.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jWorrll1.jpg)


Alma & Curt 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jr2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jrsCurt2.jpg)


Ben Tooey 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ben1.jpg)


Jess

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jess1.jpg)


Eagleton, Sr. 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/beagSr.jpg)


Mel Ruskin 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/mRuskin.jpg)



Guest appearances by:


Mr. Gabe 'GunSlinger' Blackwell  (LOL ...)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/gabeBwell.jpg)


Laura Bradley    :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lraBradly1.png)


William Wilkes    :'(

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/wWlkes.jpg)



[Other suggestions are always welcome ;) ]




.. to be continued ...


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 01:22:50 pm
How's this?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Maiden.gif)

(Ellery even mentions this somewhere in the story...way, way back...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 01:25:39 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/Sburst.gif)     "The LARAMIE SAGA Props Gallery"

TOP 3 Props IMO …   ;)

(http://mcraeclan.com/links/g/Doughboy.gif)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/glenfiddich.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/vline.jpg)


Ennis and Ellery Diet

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_shishkebob.jpg) 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/chili.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/biscuits.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/crCorn.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/brgers.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/friedCh.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/brwnies.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/tacos.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/subSanny.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/frutSld.jpg)   
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/branMff.jpg)    (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/pkinMff.jpg)




Ellery's Wardrobe

(http://www.back2.co.uk/media/V-back-brace_175.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_tank.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_10476.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_7BC0FA0B4D-CD5F-4AA9-B2D5-518EA22F3.jpg)       (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Image033.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_sock.gif)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_sock-row-blue.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_B0007VM38O.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_tejublueblutop.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/blkSlkRb.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/holster-1.jpg)


Ennis' Newer WardRobe

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_123natnew.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/product_thumb.jpg)



Ennis & Ellery Bedroom props  8)

(http://www.inversionmagazine.com/images/photos/feature_art/CodeBlack2.jpg)   (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001FUX1A.01-A22UN21UL9VI60._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/slkRp.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/slkScf.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/ppong.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/mssageOil-1.jpg)    (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_sock.gif) 

And biscuits, burnt or not:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/engMff.jpg)   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/biscuits.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/TG348060.jpg)  (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/t-tpc-1084.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/beurr.jpg)


Misc.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_L_TKnot.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_delmontelogos.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/country-bands_cigarillos.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Maiden.gif)


Ennis & Ellery Home & Transport

Ellery's car:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elCam.jpg)


Ennis' wheels:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/72fordtruck.jpg)


Ennis & Ellery Home:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elHs.jpg)


Birdfeeders:

 (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/BF1.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/bfeeder.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/pinkbigdiv.gif)


HORSE Gallery

Nellie

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Nellie.jpg)


Socks 

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Socks.jpg)


Pal

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Pal.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/pinkbigdiv.gif)
RECIPE Gallery


PUMPKIN WALNUT MUFFINS

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/pkinMff.jpg)

1/4 cup melted butter
1/4 cup applesauce
3/4 cup canned solid-pack pumpkin
1/4 cup well-shaken buttermilk
2 large eggs
3 tablespoons unsulfured molasses
1 teaspoon vanilla
1 cup all-purpose flour
1 cup white whole-wheat flour or all-purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
1/8 teaspoon freshly grated nutmeg
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon baking soda
3/4 cup packed brown sugar
3/4 cup chopped pitted dates (about 4 ounces)
3/4 cup finely chopped walnuts (about 3 ounces)

Preheat oven to 400° F. and grease twelve 1/2-cup muffin cups.

Melt butter and cool slightly. In a bowl whisk together butter, applesauce, pumpkin, buttermilk, eggs, molasses, and vanilla. Into a large bowl sift together flours, baking powder, spices, salt, and baking soda and whisk in brown sugar. Make a well in center of flour mixture and add pumpkin mixture, stirring just until combined. Stir in dates and divide batter among cups. Sprinkle walnuts evenly over batter in each cup and bake muffins in middle of oven 20 to 25 minutes, or until puffed and a tester comes out clean. Cool muffins in cups 5 minutes and turn out onto a rack. Serve muffins warm or at room temperature.

If you don't like (or are allergic) to nuts, these are just fine without the walnuts, too.

Makes 12 muffins.

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ALMA JUNIOR'S FUDGY CHOCOLATE CHUNK BROWNIES WITH WALNUTS

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/brwnies.jpg)

1 cup (2 sticks) unsalted butter
8 ounces bittersweet (not unsweetened) or semisweet chocolate, chopped
3 ounces unsweetened chocolate, chopped

1/2 cup all purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup plus 2 tablespoons sugar
3 large eggs
3 1/4 teaspoons instant espresso powder or instant coffee powder
1 tablespoon vanilla extract
1 1/4 cups chopped toasted walnuts
6 ounces bittersweet (not unsweetened) or semisweet chocolate, coarsely chopped

Preheat oven to 350°F. Butter 13 x 9 x 2-inch glass baking dish. Melt first 3 ingredients in heavy medium saucepan over low heat, stirring until smooth. Remove from heat. Let cool 10 minutes.

Sift flour, baking powder and salt into medium bowl. Using electric mixer, beat sugar, eggs, espresso powder and vanilla in large bowl until blended. Add melted chocolate mixture and beat until smooth. Add dry ingredients and stir just until blended. Fold in walnuts and 6 ounces coarsely chopped chocolate.

Pour batter into prepared pan. Smooth top. Bake until top looks dry and tester inserted into center comes out with moist crumbs attached, about 30 minutes. Transfer pan to rack and cool completely. (Can be made 1 day ahead. Cover with foil and store at room temperature.) Cut brownies into squares and serve.

Makes about 15.

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EDNA'S QUICK AND EASY BISCUITS

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/biscuits.jpg)

Many find that just one of these biscuits isn't enough. Fortunately, this quick recipe can easily be doubled.

2 cups all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon baking powder
1 teaspoon salt
3/4 stick (6 tablespoons) cold unsalted butter
3/4 cup heavy cream

Preheat oven to 425°F. and lightly grease a baking sheet.

Into a large bowl sift together flour, baking powder, and salt. Cut 5 tablespoons butter into bits and with your fingertips or a pastry blender blend into flour mixture until mixture resembles coarse meal. Add cream, stirring with a fork until just combined. Transfer mixture to a lightly floured surface and gently knead about 3 times until it just forms a dough. Pat dough into a 6 1/2-inch round (about 1/2 inch thick).

Using a 2 1/2-inch round cutter cut out biscuits and arrange about 1 inch apart on baking sheet. Gather and pat out scraps and cut out more biscuits.

Melt remaining tablespoon butter and lightly brush onto biscuits. Bake biscuits in middle of oven until pale golden and cooked through, about 20 minutes.

Makes about 6 biscuits.

Variations: Can make with milk instead of cream if you are worried about fat...but Edna never does. She knows Ellery likes the ones made with cream the best. And now Ennis is partial to them, too.

For cheese biscuits: add some grated cheese (sharp cheddar is best, but asiago works nicely, too)
Herb biscuits: a teaspoon or so of Italian seasoning is a nice touch, along with a clove or two of minced garlic.

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BEEF CHILI RECIPE:

(http://www.txbeef.org/images/recipes/112482239.jpg)
3 pounds lean beef (eye, top and bottom round are the leanest)
1 cup chopped green bell pepper
1 cup chopped onion
1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper
1 garlic clove, minced
1 tablespoon chili powder
1 1/4 teaspoons ground cumin
1 tablespoon brown sugar
1 1/2 teaspoons dried oregano
1 (28-ounce) can no salt added stewed tomatoes, undrained and chopped
1 (12-ounce) can no salt added tomato paste
1 (12-ounce) bottle light beer
2 (15-ounce) cans kidney beans, drained
Trim excess fat from beef and cut into 1/2 inch pieces. Spray a large stockpot with non-stick cooking spray and heat over medium-high heat until hot. Add half of the meat and cook until browned. Remove from heat and repeat with remaining meat.
Spray stockpot again with non-stick cooking spray and heat over medium heat. Add bell pepper, onion, red pepper, and garlic and sauté 5-6 minutes or until vegetables are tender. Return the cooked meat to the pot and add remaining ingredients. Bring to boil then reduce heat, cover and simmer for 1 hour or until meat is tender.
Makes 12 Servings
Serving Size: 12 ounces

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If you are ever in Laramie or the surrounding area, make sure to check out these attractions:  :P


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to be continued ...
 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 01:25:48 pm
We did it! Now number 5 on most replies (1381) and number 6 on most views (7937)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 01:29:01 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 01:25:48 pm
We did it! Now number 5 on most replies (1381) and number 6 on most views (7937)

lol...

Got more recipes to add Leslie?  :)
And where do we put the young maiden above?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 01:29:34 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/73215.html  "Chapter 87:  A Second Body"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 01:31:34 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 14, 2006, 01:29:34 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/73215.html  "Chapter 87:  A Second Body"

What?  ???  A second one?

Ok, I'll have to go read that soon!   :) ....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 14, 2006, 01:35:00 pm
Love that gallery!!

but MAN, Louise - dupree needs to get his curiosity about queers moving along a bit more....


know what I mean  *nudge nudge*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 01:53:03 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 14, 2006, 01:29:01 pm
lol...

Got more recipes to add Leslie?  :)
And where do we put the young maiden above?

She's the Land o Lakes butter indian maiden (she is holding the butter) so I guess she goes next to the Vaseline....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 02:01:45 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 01:53:03 pm
She's the Land o Lakes butter indian maiden (she is holding the butter) so I guess she goes next to the Vaseline....


I see!  :)

Which other 'Guest Appearances' should we be adding?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 02:16:59 pm
Okay gang

YOU CAN DO THIS:

Who is in the ditch?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 02:39:30 pm
spoiler!!!!  This answers the question!  Be sure to put in your guesses before you read...


Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/73311.html  "Chapter 88:  Lost and Found"

and JennyC has already correctly guessed it in chat!

I am going down for a nap now before I typity type some more.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 14, 2006, 02:40:52 pm
Bruce!


?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 02:42:12 pm
no. it is NOT Beagle.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 14, 2006, 02:43:29 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 14, 2006, 02:42:12 pm
no. it is NOT Beagle.

*sigh*

Wouldn't have guessed ...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 14, 2006, 02:47:48 pm
Sounds like the work of Cornelious Kellogg.  The notorious "Cereal" killer!     ROFLOL  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 14, 2006, 02:56:12 pm
I guessed Bruce, but then realized his father had said he was back in the hospital.  Then, I was stumped.  Louise, you're a great mystery writer too, besides showing us the process and story of true love developing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 14, 2006, 03:10:11 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 14, 2006, 10:37:47 am
I'll bet you're talking about "Map of the World."

That's the one! I listen to BBM Radio at work so I hear it periodically during the day.
New music in my life is another gift from BBM.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 03:12:47 pm

I have some questions to throw out there ...

What became of Jim?
Who were the men who came to the bar looking for him? and why were they hunting him down?
What else are the Worrells hiding? 
Who killed poor Willie Wilkes??

Hmmm.... ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 03:13:36 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 07:59:13 am
Looking at that picture makes me think, David...that trailer was such a dump, and now we have Ennis cleaning, vacuuming, making the bed. Was he really Mr. Neat and Tidy beforehand?

He cleans up for the ones he loves??  (i.e. not Alma, perhaps not himself, but definitely Jack and Ellery?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 03:14:38 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 14, 2006, 08:30:01 am
Leslie - your avatar is gorgeous!  :)
mouth watering, buttermelting gorgeous!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 14, 2006, 03:15:22 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 14, 2006, 10:50:49 am
That's funny. I had the same vision of those two dancing as I was listening to some music.

The song that started me thinking about it so much was "The Two Cowboy Waltz" or, in this case, One cowboy and one deputy darlin'.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 03:19:46 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 03:14:38 pm
mouth watering, buttermelting gorgeous!


Thank you, thank you, thank you! nB, you need something...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 03:23:00 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 14, 2006, 01:29:34 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/73215.html  "Chapter 87:  A Second Body"
Jiminy that sounds ominous...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 03:29:55 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 14, 2006, 02:16:59 pm
Okay gang

YOU CAN DO THIS:

Who is in the ditch?

Brad Sevigny?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 03:38:24 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 03:19:46 pm
Thank you, thank you, thank you! nB, you need something...

L

I don't have a clue in the world about how to go about hooking up an avatar.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 03:58:45 pm
Ladies, I think my avatar is perfect.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 04:00:48 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 03:58:45 pm
Ladies, I think my avatar is perfect.

Haha - Yap, although we can barely make out their faces there.. we know who they are ... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 04:07:45 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 03:58:45 pm
Ladies, I think my avatar is perfect.

As people can see, nB has gone from "not having a clue" about how to do an avatar to "it is perfect" within a matter of minutes. It is easy! If anyone else wants instructions and has a specific picture in mind (maybe something from the gallery) let me know and I will send directions. It is not hard at all!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 04:15:44 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 14, 2006, 04:00:48 pm
Haha - Yap, although we can barely make out their faces there.. we know who they are ... ;D

it's sorta just like Ennis - 'out' quite a bit of the way, but not all the way out.  plus i really love the heart motif - it's all about love, after all.

Lucise - who is your dude?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 04:34:44 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 04:15:44 pm

Lucise - who is your dude?


It's a young Clint Eastwood!  I love him to bits ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Clint_Eastwood/eastwood_20jeune.jpg)

Ok...back to E & E!  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 14, 2006, 04:37:33 pm
Lucise - thanks so much for yet another gallery and prop update  :)

Love the butter!! hehehehe

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 14, 2006, 04:39:34 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 14, 2006, 04:37:33 pm
Lucise - thanks so much for yet another gallery and prop update  :)

Love the butter!! hehehehe
 ;D

You're very welcome!  Hehe..I couldn't leave out the butter, now could I?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 14, 2006, 06:37:57 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 10:39:03 am
The workaround is to get a captain's bed  ;)

HAHAHA!  Leslie - shameless plugging are you?  ;)  Loved the bed buying scene and conversation with Ray.

OK - back on topic now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on July 14, 2006, 06:40:20 pm
Where the HECK did someone find that picture for Rudy, Leon and Lang?!!!  They're fabulous!

Sorry for being absent this week -- had lots of RL come down the pike.  Maybe can see myself getting clear of it shortly.

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 07:03:29 pm
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on July 14, 2006, 06:40:20 pm
Where the HECK did someone find that picture for Rudy, Leon and Lang?!!!  They're fabulous!

Sorry for being absent this week -- had lots of RL come down the pike.  Maybe can see myself getting clear of it shortly.

Monica

I believe that picture was David's contribution. Good to have you back, Monica!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 07:09:01 pm
Alright, friends, two revelations I had while driving home from work today (I promise there is E and E relevance):

Recent hangup 1 - reconciling movie Ennis and Jack with short story Ennis and Jack... I've been very distressed about this for the past 24 hours, not quite sure why (may relate to only getting three hours of sleep).. anyhow - Revelation 1 - this 'Brokeback thing' that has grabbed hold of all of us, obviously also grabbed hold of everyone involved in the movie; instead of writing or reading a fanfic or joining an internet group, they made a movie!  Thus, there is no need to reconcile the two because they are completely different.  (Okay, someone else somewhere suggested the screenplay was the first fanfic, so my revelation is just a logical extension/understanding of what that person was saying.)  Just like I don't begrudge an author their AU, I don't begrudge Ang his Ennis, or Jake his Jack, etc...

Recent hangup 2 - something has been nagging me about Jack... I've felt like I've been holding a grudge against him but not understanding exactly what the grudge was.  Revelation 2 - figured it out.  In the short story in the hotel scene, he lies to Ennis.  Ennis asks him a direct question about whether he did it with other guys, and Jack lies.  I don't think Ellery has ever lied to Ennis.  Well, now that I realized the cause of the grudge, I can get over it.

I'm sure that made no sense.  But thanks for letting me take up space.

Cheerio!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 14, 2006, 08:10:51 pm
This is OT, but this thread is where I hang out:

I went to see "Pirates of the Carribbean II" today with my son and his friend. A nice piece of fluff with great acting -- as always -- from Johnny Depp. I enjoyed it while it lasted, but the experience ended with the credits; it was like a really good dessert, but the goodness ended with the last bite.

How unlike this whole Brokeback experience! Time and again I am reminded of the uniqueness of this whole event, which is still unfolding and of which the Laramie Saga is inextricably a part. (There! Not so OT!) My heart is continually tugged by thoughts and people, and I've never been like this in my life. As a former Ennis, I love the new me. And sharing the experience with all of you has been both lifesaving and uplifting. I swear...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 08:13:52 pm
Thanks for explaining your dilemmas, Kelly.
The film and the short story are certainly very different, and one of the nice things about the film is that it does manage to preserve a great deal of the original short story... but there are a lot of differences... they are different "takes" and also different media.  You can't literally"film" a story.  It has to be translated into the visual and oral media.

As far as Jack goes... yes, Jack did lie, and he also left out a lot of himself in relating to Ennis... I like to think he did that to spare Ennis's feelings, but he also did so to make his own life more agreeable for him.  And that does make him dishonest... however, I also think that makes him kind... in his own Jack way.  He knew Ennis would be upset if he found out he had had sex with other men, and so he covered that up in order to pacify him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 08:16:11 pm
I think you make an important point in your OT discussion there, neatfreak:


How many Ennis's out there saw BBM... and CHANGED?

If Ennis were immune to change then how could all of you Ennis-identified people... grow and change and have wonderful new insights in your lives?  This to me, is the proof that Ennis himself... would inevitably change after the events in BBM!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 08:55:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 14, 2006, 08:13:52 pm
And that does make him dishonest... however, I also think that makes him kind... in his own Jack way.  He knew Ennis would be upset if he found out he had had sex with other men, and so he covered that up in order to pacify him.

You are right here...  I think that's why he did it too.  He wanted Ennis loved and happy, he didn't want to upset him.  However, I have been thinking, what if Jack had 'fessed up to it...  maybe, just maybe, that might have helped Ennis come to terms with himself a bit earlier in life.  It was just a little thing nagging me, I've always thought Jack brought as much baggage to the 'relationship' as Ennis did... (that's okay, we've all got baggage, it was just a missing piece of the baggage puzzle in my mind.)  Maybe if Jack had 'fessed up there would have just been a gigantic fight, who knows.  But to me, the 'what if' there is just another layer to the tragedy.

(Ellery certainly has baggage as well!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 09:01:19 pm
neatfreak - that was a sweet and lovely thing you said back there.  thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 09:30:37 pm
I am not quoting but this is in response to nB's comment about Jack lying...

This is one of the problems and one of the reasons people can so easily get into screaming fights about this story/movie, etc....what exactly is "canon"? I know Louise uses the New Yorker story, but the story published in the Wyoming stories book and the story to screenplay book is different...and not just the addition of the prologue paragraph. (I believe it was Natali, [Opinionista] who actually went through and did a line by line comparison....that document is floating around here somewhere). People tell me (I haven't seen her in person) that Annie has publicly stated that the "Close Range" story is the one she wrote. She was unhappy with the New Yorker edits. So what is canon? The first thing published? The author's vision?

Then a movie gets made and we have more versions...multiple screenplays, plus a story on film. What is a fanfic writer (and reader) to believe? For me, for my story, I guess I took the movie as canon, in that I had Jack admit to Ennis he had never lied to him. I don't think movie!Jack ever did lie (correct me if I am wrong on this). Story!Jack, as nB noted, did. As commented on, that one lie changed many things. In my view, for my story, there were no lies. Of course, there were other issues.

As for Ennis and Ellery...no, no lies. Info not divulgied, yet, yes...but no lies.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 09:34:41 pm
The only reason I used the New Yorker story is because it was all I had.  I didn't get "Close Range" (mainly because the summaries of the other stories did not appeal to me.  So it wasn't so much that I "spurned" the "original story" but that I didn't (and don't) have it.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 14, 2006, 09:51:58 pm
"Hey Ellery?  I'm over at the Grocery store and they're out a Vasoline!"

(http://static.flickr.com/59/189756899_caad2cf7f0.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 09:57:13 pm
"Astroglide?  how do ya spell that?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 10:02:34 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 14, 2006, 09:57:13 pm
"Astroglide?  how do ya spell that?"

A S T R O G L I D E

just like it sounds, Ennis!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 14, 2006, 10:03:47 pm
Flipping fantastic David, and, you too, Louise! (and Leslie!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 10:04:59 pm
We're funnier here than at Heath Heath Heath....LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 14, 2006, 10:09:46 pm
Calender Girl has just informed me that I have the boys working on Saturday as if it is a normal work week.

I will now have to revise the last two chapters.

Please bear with me during my reconstruction efforts.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 14, 2006, 10:34:40 pm
Tamarack mentioned Mark Weigle's "Two Cowboy Waltz," one of my favorite songs these days. I just discovered a much happier song of his that makes me think of Ennis and Ellery:

Have I Told You in the Last Five Minutes by Mark Weigle

We’re sittin’ at the kitchen table, hands ‘round coffee cups;
I’m watchin’ while he reads his paper; finally he looks up.
He says, “What?”

Have I told you in the last five minutes that I love you?
I just wanted you to know that it’s been on my mind.
Have I told you in the last five minutes that I love you?
‘Cause boy, I never want to let too much time go by.


A little lovin later, he’s late he’s got to go.
He’s barely out the door, it’s ringing. I pick up the phone.
I say, “Hello?”

Have I told you in the last five minutes that I love you?
I just wanted you to know that it’s been on my mind.
Have I told you in the last five minutes that I love you?
You know I never want to let too much time go by.


Now if you think we’ve lost our minds, you’ve hit it right on the head
So crazy in love with each other we just can’t leave it unsaid.

Have I told you in the last five minutes that I love you?
I just wanted you to know that it’s been on my mind.
Have I told you in the last five minutes that I love you?
You know I never want to let too much time go by.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 14, 2006, 11:51:25 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 07:59:13 am
Looking at that picture makes me think, David...that trailer was such a dump, and now we have Ennis cleaning, vacuuming, making the bed. Was he really Mr. Neat and Tidy beforehand? And with Alma, it sure didn't look like he did much (yes, he was working all the time, I'll grant you that). That's the way I wrote "my" Ennis, actually, and he admits it. But then he and Jack sort of fall into their roles and Ennis cleans while Jack cooks.

I guess, re: the trailer and now...we can just say that Ennis was depressed, then, and now he is happy. Thus the change. And, he did fold up Alma's sweater and put it away. Maybe he really is Mr. Neat and Tidy, it was just that that ugly trailer was more than he could cope with, given his frame of mind.

Yeah, that works.

L

the trailer was a dump, but it wasn't messy except for that afternoons dishes--everything was in its place, and he even put Jrs sweater away.
he just didn't have anything in the trailer worth worrying about. IT was old, run down and no one cared, including him, it was just a place to park when he wasn't working.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2006, 03:03:09 am
I didn't actually like Jack of the short story.  *waits for lightning bolt*   And I always thought that Ennis was used a little by Story!Jack.  There was Ennis opening his heart out to Jack when Jack had been diddling around, then lying about it.  Yeah, I know you could say he did it to spare Ennis's feelings but putting his whole character together, it just comes across as saving his own skin and getting himself out of a tricky situation.

One big place where, in my mind, Story!Jack and Movie!Jack don't reconcile very well is the scene with Jack's father, where he tells Ennis that Jack had another guy coming up to help.  I can well believe that of S!J, but M!J just seems a lot less likely to have taken that course of action.

But then, of course, these two guys do not actually exist - they were created. Much as we'd like to think otherwise, giving two characters a personality is a lot different to two real people living in the world.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 15, 2006, 04:42:22 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 14, 2006, 04:07:45 pm
As people can see, nB has gone from "not having a clue" about how to do an avatar to "it is perfect" within a matter of minutes. It is easy! If anyone else wants instructions and has a specific picture in mind (maybe something from the gallery) let me know and I will send directions. It is not hard at all!

Leslie

Please send me directions. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 15, 2006, 06:44:07 am
Quote from: Helen on July 15, 2006, 03:03:09 am
But then, of course, these two guys do not actually exist - they were created. Much as we'd like to think otherwise, giving two characters a personality is a lot different to two real people living in the world.

EEEK!   do not exist?    <faints>  thud.

Well, tell you what.  I know plenty of guys who tell "little white lies" to prevent hurting their loved ones.    And much like fictional Jack, it is done without malice.   Why shouldn't fictional characters have flaws?   Real people sure as hell do.  Not that I'm trying to justify Jack running down a Mexico way to get laid.     I think we need to peek into that characters head.  He was hurt and angry.  And doing spontaneous, stupid things then is something guys have mastered for centuries!  LOL   Women too I'm sure.

I think that is part of what made the movie characters so real to all of the viewers.  We can sympathize with the boys situations.  And the facial expressions of both Jake and Heath just drive it home like a stake thru the heart.    Ok, gotta change the suject, getting tough to type thru the tears again.    :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 07:01:38 am
Calendar girl, checking in. Any word on the reconstruction efforts from Louise?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2006, 07:23:51 am
I wasn't saying I didn't like Story!Jack because he told white lies.  I didn't like him for numerous reasons. 

Yeah, I know loads of people who tell white lies, male and female, myself included.  And loads of people who do stupid, spontaneous things, too.

I can certainly sympathise with both characters in the movie.  Just not in the story.

As for fictional characters having flaws, I never said they shouldn't have.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 07:33:12 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 07:01:38 am
Calendar girl, checking in. Any word on the reconstruction efforts from Louise?

L

okay okay I'm awake now.  Left with the wreckage of the weekend here.... not my weekend, but the boys' weekend.  I have the first part of Saturday written and working on... YES! The SEX SCENE.

For those who are up and about at last (it's afternoon in Europe) I will be hanging in chat while I separate those Shelayan weekend days outta ours!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 07:38:02 am
Quote from: Helen on July 15, 2006, 07:23:51 am
I wasn't saying I didn't like Story!Jack because he told white lies.  I didn't like him for numerous reasons. 

Yeah, I know loads of people who tell white lies, male and female, myself included.  And loads of people who do stupid, spontaneous things, too.

I can certainly sympathise with both characters in the movie.  Just not in the story.

As for fictional characters having flaws, I never said they shouldn't have.

I think I know what Helen is getting at here.  Jake G. did a yeoman's duty in making Jack a lot more romantic than he was portrayed in the short story, and taking the short story purely on its own merits (hard to do if you've seen the film twenty times and fell in love with Jake's Jack, I'm sure!!!), I have only seen the film four times and read the story innumerable times... it is clearly Ennis that is completely in love, and it is Ennis for whom there is one man and one man only.    Ennis was Jack's first choice, but he had runner-ups.  The other element of Story!Jack that comes through much clearer is that Jack moved out of Wyoming and went rodeo chasing in Texas, not contacting Ennis until long after Ennis had given up on him.  And it led me to believe he had rodeo thrill seeking, picking up rodeo clowns, and finding a meal ticket on his mind before he had Ennis on his mind.  He didnt get in touch with Ennis again until he had had a few years of pounding the rodeo trail, while Ennis wondered what happened to him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 07:42:07 am
One of the things I find particularly interesting about the whole BBM experience is that I totally separate the movie and the story.

Every other book I have read that has been made into a movie, I think of it that way--> book-->movie. I compare the movie against the book the vast majority of the time, the movie falls short. I always like the book better.

But BBM...there is the story, which I read and enjoyed. I only read it a few weeks before I saw the movie, actually. I don't have a subscription the the New Yorker so I missed it in 1997. But in the first few weeks of the BBM hubbub, the story was still online at the New Yorker and I read it there.

I really liked the story. I thought it was really really good.

Then I went and saw the movie, which as everyone here knows, was one of those events that knocked my socks off.

For the first few weeks afterwards, I went through that phase of comparing Movie!Ennis with Story!Ennis, Movie!Jack with Story!Jack but then...I realized that was not helpful to me. I came to the conclusion that there is BBM the story, and BBM the movie. Then there is the aftermath of BBM (which we are living here). That is why I refer to it as "the experience" of BBM--it is the totality of all of it, which includes making new friends, for me, beginning writing, and so on. For me, BBM has become much more than a story or a movie.

I liked the comment that someone made that the screenplay was the first fanfic.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 15, 2006, 07:56:24 am
Wait, wait. Lemme get this straight, Leslie: "A Love Born From Steel" is the first writing you've done?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 15, 2006, 08:07:12 am
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 07:33:12 am
okay okay I'm awake now.  Left with the wreckage of the weekend here.... not my weekend, but the boys' weekend.  I have the first part of Saturday written and working on... YES! The SEX SCENE.

For those who are up and about at last (it's afternoon in Europe) I will be hanging in chat while I separate those Shelayan weekend days outta ours!

Hi Louise.  Erm I know(I think) I,ve asked this before, but as you,ve mentioned, SEX,(NOT that we ladies are sex mad or anything are we?  ;)  )I  just kind of erm, (cough) wondered,like you do,  ;), is Ennis likely to try out any of the erm, ahem, "toys" that Ellery keeps in the bottom drawer in the bedroom? ;) ;)  btw I LOVED the bit where Edna asked Ennis if he wanted butter on his biscuits... brilliant. :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 08:08:08 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 15, 2006, 07:56:24 am
Wait, wait. Lemme get this straight, Leslie: "A Love Born From Steel" is the first writing you've done?

Well, I do alot of writing as part of my job, but it is not fiction! But the mechanics of writing are very comfortable for me.

In terms of my progression to fiction, the first thing I wrote was, "Brokeback Fever: A New Clinical Entity," which is sort of cross between my usual technical writing and fiction.

Then I wrote, "Makin' It Legal" which hasn't been posted anywhere, but if anyone wants to read it, let me know, I'll send you a copy. It is actually a chapter that builds on Human Interest, with Jack and Ennis in Vermont. Takes place in 2004.

Then I wrote "A Love Born From Steel."

That is my entire fiction writing career, launched in the past five months.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 15, 2006, 08:22:44 am
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 07:38:02 am
He didnt get in touch with Ennis again until he had had a few years of pounding the rodeo trail, while Ennis wondered what happened to him.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I dont have a copy of the story anymore)  but didn't Jack go back to Sage to see Aguirre a year later just like in the movie?    Ennis was very much on his mind as he asked about him.

And for that matter, the anti-climatic way they parted sure would have left doubt in Jacks eyes as to Ennis's fealings on the matter.   Especially when the man you love just punched you out, then the last words he says t oyou are that he's still getting married.   I'm surprized that Jack didn't drive away in major tears!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 08:27:14 am
Quote from: Jane on July 15, 2006, 08:07:12 am
Hi Louise.  Erm I know(I think) I,ve asked this before, but as you,ve mentioned, SEX,(NOT that we ladies are sex mad or anything are we?  ;)  )I  just kind of erm, (cough) wondered,like you do,  ;), is Ennis likely to try out any of the erm, ahem, "toys" that Ellery keeps in the bottom drawer in the bedroom? ;) ;)  btw I LOVED the bit where Edna asked Ennis if he wanted butter on his biscuits... brilliant. :laugh:

errr... did you miss the chapters with all the props pictured in the gallery?  that's pretty much all of what's in the toy drawer!  Or did you mean is he going to try on a cock ring or buttplug himself?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 08:29:49 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 15, 2006, 08:22:44 am
Correct me if I'm wrong (I dont have a copy of the story anymore)  but didn't Jack go back to Sage to see Aguirre a year later just like in the movie?    Ennis was very much on his mind as he asked about him.

And for that matter, the anti-climatic way they parted sure would have left doubt in Jacks eyes as to Ennis's fealings on the matter.   Especially when the man you love just punched you out, then the last words he says t oyou are that he's still getting married.   I'm surprized that Jack didn't drive away in major tears!

Signal.  Yes, he did, you are right about that, David.  And you are right that he might have been quite discouraged from making another go of it approaching Ennis directly.  I think perhaps his return to Signal was in hopes that he would get another summer of hot sheep-ignoring in when he could re-establish his intimacy with Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 08:30:51 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 15, 2006, 08:22:44 am
Correct me if I'm wrong (I dont have a copy of the story anymore)  but didn't Jack go back to Sage to see Aguirre a year later just like in the movie?    Ennis was very much on his mind as he asked about him.

And for that matter, the anti-climatic way they parted sure would have left doubt in Jacks eyes as to Ennis's fealings on the matter.   Especially when the man you love just punched you out, then the last words he says t oyou are that he's still getting married.   I'm surprized that Jack didn't drive away in major tears!

David, I am actually looking at the story and reading fast, it does not mention that Jack went back to Signal (not Sage) one year later.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2006, 08:35:12 am
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 07:38:02 am
and taking the short story purely on its own merits .. it is clearly Ennis that is completely in love, and it is Ennis for whom there is one man and one man only.    Ennis was Jack's first choice, but he had runner-ups.  The other element of Story!Jack that comes through much clearer is that Jack moved out of Wyoming and went rodeo chasing in Texas, not contacting Ennis until long after Ennis had given up on him.  And it led me to believe he had rodeo thrill seeking, picking up rodeo clowns, and finding a meal ticket on his mind before he had Ennis on his mind.  He didnt get in touch with Ennis again until he had had a few years of pounding the rodeo trail, while Ennis wondered what happened to him.

I agree about Ennis being Jack's No1, but there being runners up (I like that turn of phrase, Louise!).  Which is one of the reasons I can believe Story!Jack taking up with someone else and saying to his father he was bringing another bloke to the ranch.  But have a hard time thinking about Movie!Jack doing the same.  The Jack in the story comes across to me as being self-centred and boastful; not likeable at all.  Sending the postcard after four years had the impression of being something he did once all the other possibilities had dried up.  Whereas in the movie it felt like he, too, had missed Ennis desperately, and he sent the postcard eventually when he just couldn't stand the pain of being apart any longer.  And there are loads of other instances where the characters, I think, are different.

So, like Leslie said, the story and the movie are completely different entities.  And I agree with the screeplay being called the first fanfic, too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 15, 2006, 08:37:15 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 08:08:08 am
That is my entire fiction writing career, launched in the past five months.

Whoa. Both of you ladies -- Leslie and Louise -- just astound me with your skills at examining the human condition within the constraints of our favorite story. I am humbled at your abilities to show the intricacies of emotional upheaval and relationships with our guys. Wow.

I write curriculum for a living, and I've written procedural manuals; basically, it's writing directions -- something perfect for an anal-retentive like me. And both of you have similar professional careers, it sounds like. But I could no more write convincing fiction like you than I could shear one o' those stinkin' sheep. A tip o' the hat to you, Leslie and Louise. Here's to more excellent storytelling from both of you.

Speaking of which: Louise, we're all waiting for that sex scene! What are you doing here?!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2006, 08:37:27 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 08:30:51 am
David, I am actually looking at the story and reading fast, it does not mention that Jack went back to Signal (not Sage) one year later.

L

It does - it's in the bit where they are in the motel together.

I was just reading it, and although it does say he went back, Jack doesn't mention going back to see if Ennis was there, just that he went back to see if there was work.  And Aguirre told him to more or less get lost (although he doesn't tell Ennis this bit).  If he hadn't I'm sure he would have been up there again with some bloke or other.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 15, 2006, 08:40:28 am
Or did you mean is he going to try on a cock ring or buttplug himself?

Yes Louise that is exactly what I meant.  I,ve seen the pic gallery with all their erm "toys" in it, thats why I wondered if Ennis was going to try them out too. I know he,s experienced the vibrator but not the cock ring or the buttplug..... yet. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 08:41:56 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 15, 2006, 08:37:15 am
Whoa. Both of you ladies -- Leslie and Louise -- just astound me with your skills at examining the human condition within the constraints of our favorite story. I am humbled at your abilities to show the intricacies of emotional upheaval and relationships with our guys. Wow.

I write curriculum for a living, and I've written procedural manuals; basically, it's writing directions -- something perfect for an anal-retentive like me. And both of you have similar professional careers, it sounds like. But I could no more write convincing fiction like you than I could shear one o' those stinkin' sheep. A tip o' the hat to you, Leslie and Louise. Here's to more excellent storytelling from both of you.

Speaking of which: Louise, we're all waiting for that sex scene! What are you doing here?!

I am resequencing chapters and writing in a weekend.  I am working on a Saturday afternoon sex scene.  Chapters 87 and 88 will be pushed to Monday and there will be intervening chapters.

Still working on resequencing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2006, 08:43:39 am
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 07:33:12 am
okay okay I'm awake now.  Left with the wreckage of the weekend here.... not my weekend, but the boys' weekend.  I have the first part of Saturday written and working on... YES! The SEX SCENE.

For those who are up and about at last (it's afternoon in Europe) I will be hanging in chat while I separate those Shelayan weekend days outta ours!

Oh you know, my heart gave a tiny leap here....I thought you were talking about the drabbles....    :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 08:46:00 am
Quote from: Jane on July 15, 2006, 08:40:28 am
Or did you mean is he going to try on a cock ring or buttplug himself?

Yes Louise that is exactly what I meant.  I,ve seen the pic gallery with all their erm "toys" in it, thats why I wondered if Ennis was going to try them out too. I know he,s experienced the vibrator but not the cock ring or the buttplug..... yet. ;) ;) ;)

oh. OH!!!! well I guess we're going to have to find out.  Right now I am working on Ennis being pleasured and he is having a real hard time holding still!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 08:51:05 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 15, 2006, 08:37:15 am
Whoa. Both of you ladies -- Leslie and Louise -- just astound me with your skills at examining the human condition within the constraints of our favorite story. I am humbled at your abilities to show the intricacies of emotional upheaval and relationships with our guys. Wow.

I write curriculum for a living, and I've written procedural manuals; basically, it's writing directions -- something perfect for an anal-retentive like me. And both of you have similar professional careers, it sounds like. But I could no more write convincing fiction like you than I could shear one o' those stinkin' sheep. A tip o' the hat to you, Leslie and Louise. Here's to more excellent storytelling from both of you.

Speaking of which: Louise, we're all waiting for that sex scene! What are you doing here?!

Neat,

Thanks for those very kind words. I appreciate it!

Actually, I think Louise and I have fairly different careers. She'll fill you in on what she does (software something-or-other). I am a nurse but my career has been mostly in research and academia. I am the editor of two journals, do a lot of consulting on research and statistics. I am bored with a lot of it to be honest, right now, which is probably why the fanfic bug has bitten me so hard. Cliniically, I keep up on things (a little bit) by working at a free clinic here in Portland. I also read alot.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 08:56:32 am
Quote from: Helen on July 15, 2006, 08:43:39 am
Oh you know, my heart gave a tiny leap here....I thought you were talking about the drabbles....    :-\

oh Helen, Helen, Helen!  what can I say....????  Someone has to tell me it's all right for them to do the deed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 15, 2006, 09:04:01 am
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 08:56:32 am
oh Helen, Helen, Helen!  what can I say....????  Someone has to tell me it's all right for them to do the deed.

Ohhhhhh... yes! Yes! YES!

*smokes cigarette*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 15, 2006, 09:08:32 am
Hmm,  Mr.Coyote gets Deputized?     ;D

(http://static.flickr.com/23/189998800_e29bc64a0e.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 09:14:28 am
Okay gang....

The NEW Chapter 87 and Chapter 88, which follow "Sustenance" which takes place on a Friday night.

Chapters 87 and 88 happen on SATURDAY!

More to come before the chapters i posted last night. I am back dating them.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/73670.html  "Chapter 87:  Lost Weekend"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/73803.html  "Chapter 88:  Role Reversal"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 15, 2006, 09:35:37 am
neatfreak - Thanks for that Mark Weigle song. I actually didn't know who he was or anything about him until I Googled the words to Two Cowboy Waltz yesterday, although I suspected he might be gay because of the emotion in TCW. I think I may have to buy one of his CDs because he seems to be writing the kinds of songs that I want to be listening to right now.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 10:41:37 am
It seemed like those chapter updates stunned everyone into silence, Louise. Hmmm, Ellery on top, anyone?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 10:45:40 am
Another update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/74138.html  "Chapter 89:  A Couple of Bosses"

finally, Ellery at de bar!


And for those who read, last night, these are the former chapters 88 and 89, but are now sequenced after the new chapters (content is not changed).

http://louisev.livejournal.com/73215.html  "Chapter 90:  A Second Body"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/73311.html  "Chapter 91:  Lost and Found"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 15, 2006, 10:49:25 am
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 08:46:00 am
oh. OH!!!! well I guess we're going to have to find out.  Right now I am working on Ennis being pleasured and he is having a real hard time holding still!

Yes so I see!! I,ve just read that.  I think  I need a cold shower after that!! :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2006, 11:30:45 am
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 08:56:32 am
oh Helen, Helen, Helen!  what can I say....? ? ? ?  Someone has to tell me it's all right for them to do the deed.

Heath: Louise, it's all right, it's all right......
Jake: Louise, it's all right, it's all right.......


 ;)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2006, 11:31:39 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 15, 2006, 09:08:32 am
Hmm,  Mr.Coyote gets Deputized?     ;D

LOL - that's great, David!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 11:35:50 am
Quote from: Helen on July 15, 2006, 11:30:45 am
Heath: Louise, it's all right, it's all right......
Jake: Louise, it's all right, it's all right.......


 ;)




hee heee... what a card you are.  Helen, I swear...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 11:36:33 am
And for those of you who are wondering...

Yes, I am working on chapter 92, and am hanging out with Leslie in chat, plotting and planning and planning and plotting...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 15, 2006, 11:44:58 am
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 09:14:28 am
http://louisev.livejournal.com/73670.html  "Chapter 87:  Lost Weekend"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/73803.html  "Chapter 88:  Role Reversal"

Ellery shambling in to the kitchen naked - lovely visual!

And he's gonna go to the bar - yippee!  I'm excited... better get back to the story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 15, 2006, 11:58:33 am
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 10:45:40 am
Another update to "A Second Chance"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/74138.html  "Chapter 89:  A Couple of Bosses"
finally, Ellery at de bar!
Holy Smokes, not only do I get to see Ellery at the bar, but the blue boots also come back out of the closet!  It has been a great Saturday so far...  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 15, 2006, 12:05:22 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 10:45:40 am
http://louisev.livejournal.com/74138.html  "Chapter 89:  A Couple of Bosses"

Not really a spoiler:


“A lot a nice lookin boys here Ellery. It’s a wonder the womenfolk a Laramie don’t come an bust this place up cause you got the market cornered.”

I have to admit I've been wondering that myself!  And, we've got someone new to cast!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 12:37:29 pm
In keeping with the warning from several fans not to cast everyone skinny as hell, Simon is not only large, but blond, long haired, and BEEFY.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 15, 2006, 12:52:03 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 15, 2006, 11:30:45 am
Heath: Louise, it's all right, it's all right......
Jake: Louise, it's all right, it's all right.......


 ;)



LOL!!   ;D
You don't give up do you??!   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 15, 2006, 01:08:28 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 12:37:29 pm
In keeping with the warning from several fans not to cast everyone skinny as hell, Simon is not only large, but blond, long haired, and BEEFY.
I liked him, he seems very sweet on Lauren
And I loved his reaction to Ennis, LOL!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 01:24:22 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/74381.html  "Chapter 92:  Witnesses"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 15, 2006, 01:24:56 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 15, 2006, 12:52:03 pm
LOL!!   ;D
You don't give up do you??!   :-*

Nope!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 15, 2006, 02:35:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 12:37:29 pm
In keeping with the warning from several fans not to cast everyone skinny as hell, Simon is not only large, but blond, long haired, and BEEFY.

Yes! 
Another person we need to cast folks!  The floor is open to Simon contenders... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 02:55:38 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 15, 2006, 02:35:31 pm
Yes! 
Another person we need to cast folks!  The floor is open to Simon contenders... ;D

actually, mechanic no. 2 (not the dark haired guy, the blonde) might work...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 15, 2006, 02:56:55 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 02:55:38 pm
actually, mechanic no. 2 (not the dark haired guy, the blonde) might work...

Agreed Leslie!     Everyone seems to prefer the older Nate, so we can use the hunky blonde as Simon!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 15, 2006, 03:08:33 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 15, 2006, 02:56:55 pm
Agreed Leslie!     Everyone seems to prefer the older Nate, so we can use the hunky blonde as Simon!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/naat.jpg)


He is not my first choice for Simon... :P
I'll see if I can find the Simon that's in my head ... ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 03:48:39 pm
The third book, "A Second Chance" will be concluded shortly.

The new book in the series is tentatively titled  "Shelter from the Storm'" and will chronicle Ennis and Ellery's experiences as they deepen their commitment to one another in an increasingly hostile environment of fear surrounding the spread of the AIDS epidemic and its impact upon the life and community of  the Red Stallion, and a crime wave of attacks against homosexuals.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 03:52:01 pm
A bit of an announcement:

The third book, "A Second Chance" will be concluded shortly.

The new book in the series is tentatively titled  "Shelter from the Storm'" and will chronicle Ennis and Ellery's experiences as they deepen their commitment to one another in an increasingly hostile environment of fear surrounding the spread of the AIDS epidemic and its impact upon the life and community of  the Red Stallion, and a crime wave of attacks against homosexuals.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 15, 2006, 04:10:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 03:52:01 pm
A bit of an announcement:

The third book, "A Second Chance" will be concluded shortly.

The new book in the series is tentatively titled  "Shelter from the Storm'" and will chronicle Ennis and Ellery's experiences as they deepen their commitment to one another in an increasingly hostile environment of fear surrounding the spread of the AIDS epidemic and its impact upon the life and community of  the Red Stallion, and a crime wave of attacks against homosexuals.
I am ready when you are Louise!  :D


Ok..so I have put together my idea of Simon...
here he is ...  8)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren_Simn_bw.jpg)

He is beefy and his arms do look the size of Ellery's thighs ...  :P

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 04:11:26 pm
good lord, can I break off a section?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 15, 2006, 04:14:52 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 03:52:01 pm
The new book in the series is tentatively titled  "Shelter from the Storm'" and will chronicle Ennis and Ellery's experiences as they deepen their commitment to one another in an increasingly hostile environment of fear surrounding the spread of the AIDS epidemic and its impact upon the life and community of  the Red Stallion, and a crime wave of attacks against homosexuals.

Wow Louise, heavy stuff, not that it hasn't been heavy already... I was thinking lately that E and E hadn't talked about the testing in a while.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 15, 2006, 04:30:37 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 04:11:26 pm
good lord, can I break off a section?

lol...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 05:20:23 pm
Stats Update:

E&E is now the 4th most viewed thread on Bettermost. We have passed NC17: Are you swooning yet?..,

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 15, 2006, 05:32:29 pm
Well, the NC-17 thread has pretty much been retired.   Especially now.   :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 05:42:58 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 15, 2006, 05:32:29 pm
Well, the NC-17 thread has pretty much been retired.   Especially now.   :-\

Obviously, E&E is the new NC17. Are we all swooining non-stop?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 05:44:51 pm
congratulations all of us on 100 pages !  yay!

I will soon celebrate by posting another hot chapter, but that will be IT for the day!  And I mean it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 15, 2006, 05:46:48 pm
100 pages!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 06:04:27 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/74683.html  "Chapter 93:  Inklings"


The good news is, I set a new record today with over 8,000 words. 

The bad news is, I am going to a concert with my violinist friend tomorrow and chances are, there will be either one or no updates on Sunday.  Plenty to reread!!!

Happy 100 pages everyone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 15, 2006, 06:14:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 06:04:27 pm
http://louisev.livejournal.com/74683.html  "Chapter 93:  Inklings"
Spoiler:





Holy moly!  Ennis got hurt at the bar!  **rushes back to continue reading**
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 15, 2006, 06:23:45 pm
In honour of our 100 Page milestone,
I am posting 2 new pix of E & E  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ11_bw_2.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/AAngl.gif)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/enn6.jpg)


Many sincere thanks to the two underwear models who allowed me to play with their bodies there!  ;D


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 06:38:58 pm
Holy Hell!  It's Hot Calvin Klein Ellery and Beefy!Ennis!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 15, 2006, 06:49:35 pm
I love the underwear shots, Lucise, but what on earth is Ennis wearing?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 06:51:52 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 15, 2006, 06:49:35 pm
I love the underwear shots, Lucise, but what on earth is Ennis wearing?

It has sort of a paper bag look, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 15, 2006, 07:05:33 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 15, 2006, 06:49:35 pm
I love the underwear shots, Lucise, but what on earth is Ennis wearing?

I wondered about that too ... lol, but I decided that I cared more about what lies beneath!  8)

Leslie .. I am sure it's not a paper bag...lol...Maybe really baggy pants for lounging around the house?  I dunno ... I guess I was looking too hard at his chest to care ...  :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 07:19:12 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 15, 2006, 07:05:33 pm
I wondered about that too ... lol, but I decided that I cared more about what lies beneath!  8)

Leslie .. I am sure it's not a paper bag...lol...Maybe really baggy pants for lounging around the house?  I dunno ... I guess I was looking too hard at his chest to care ...  :o

Paper works. That much easier for Ellery to rip 'em off.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 15, 2006, 07:27:03 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 15, 2006, 07:05:33 pm
I wondered about that too ... lol, but I decided that I cared more about what lies beneath!  8)

Leslie .. I am sure it's not a paper bag...lol...Maybe really baggy pants for lounging around the house?  I dunno ... I guess I was looking too hard at his chest to care ...  :o

I thought they looked like karate pants!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 15, 2006, 07:29:22 pm
SPOILER:  Chapter 93




Wouldn't Wes be more interested in the fact Jim was murdered? After all, he was working for Judge Worrell and there is still an on going investigation isn't there?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2006, 07:35:41 pm
Worrell represented Jim... that is all we know about that.  There isnt so much an investigation as an arraignment pending.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 15, 2006, 07:44:09 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 15, 2006, 07:27:03 pm
I thought they looked like karate pants!

I think you might be right 'bout that nB!
Like Leslie said, paper might be easier to rip off!  ;D


----

This is the 1500th post!

Woohoo!   :D

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 08:37:58 pm
1501! Wowza!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 08:44:38 pm
Louise treated us to so many chapters today and so much wonderful writing...and a certain prop came out of the closet...literally...in honor of that moment:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tejublueblutop.jpg)

Lauren likes these boots!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 05:50:22 am
Silent all night? What happened? Where is everybody?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 16, 2006, 06:11:53 am
*blink, blink*  I'm awake, but I'll be getting ready to go in a bit.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 16, 2006, 07:03:12 am
Maybe everyone is "Tied up"   LOL 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:12:20 am
oh you like that part of the story do you?

I should take a poll:  which sex adventure that Ennis had with Ellery was the most erotic?

1) Burned Biscuits
2) Lariat bondage
3) Silk tie bondage
4) Dildo Sex
5) Vibrator Sex
6) Role Reversal (Bottom Ennis)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 07:29:10 am
Quote from: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:12:20 am
oh you like that part of the story do you?

I should take a poll:  which sex adventure that Ennis had with Ellery was the most erotic?

1) Burned Biscuits
2) Lariat bondage
3) Silk tie bondage
4) Dildo Sex
5) Vibrator Sex
6) Role Reversal (Bottom Ennis)

We can make a poll of this, if you like, Louise...

I actually wish we could put the poll here, in the thread, not just in the polling place....but I don't think we can.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 16, 2006, 07:32:14 am
IMHO,  I don't know (or hear of) any gay guys using vibrators.  They seem to be thought of more as a girls accessory even amongst the gay community, but I may be wrong.

Now dildos however,  I've got some friends with collections and some with none.  LOL.

The kinky experimentation with E&E is fun, but it is the romantic  passion that is spurred just by the scent of biscuits that is kinda sweet.   Hell, not that they need any prompting for sex!   LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:50:07 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 07:29:10 am
We can make a poll of this, if you like, Louise...

I actually wish we could put the poll here, in the thread, not just in the polling place....but I don't think we can.


errr... I think we better keep this one "in house".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 16, 2006, 07:55:42 am
Quote from: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:50:07 am
errr... I think we better keep this one "in house".

Agreed!    
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:57:47 am
Folks, please do not be alarmed.  I am going out of town in about five minutes and won't be back until late my time.  There won't be any updates today on "A Second Chance"  (but you had more than enough yesterday!)

Thank you for all of your wonderful comments here and in LJ and I will see you... tomorrow...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 08:00:23 am
Quote from: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:12:20 am
I should take a poll:  which sex adventure that Ennis had with Ellery was the most erotic?

1) Burned Biscuits
2) Lariat bondage
3) Silk tie bondage
4) Dildo Sex
5) Vibrator Sex
6) Role Reversal (Bottom Ennis)

The one that burned my biscuits was "Role Reversal;" it reminded me of the movie scene when Ennis surrendered to his feelings for Jack (although I know your canon is the story). The act of surrender for Ennis is not easy and it makes me just melt when it happens.

See you tomorrow, Louise!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 08:13:15 am
Quote from: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:12:20 am
oh you like that part of the story do you?

I should take a poll:  which sex adventure that Ennis had with Ellery was the most erotic?

1) Burned Biscuits
2) Lariat bondage
3) Silk tie bondage
4) Dildo Sex
5) Vibrator Sex
6) Role Reversal (Bottom Ennis)

Actually, for me, the most erotic is one that is not on your list...the day with the buttplug. Something about Ellery's neediness, which he could not even articulate except to say, "I know you might think I am nuts..." Ennis's confusion and even some thoughts that this might be getting out there a little bit too far, but still willing to accept it because Ellery is his lover. The day, with "that thing" there in both their minds, throughout the day. And then the end, with the intense passionate lovemaking...to me, all of this was erotic. That was a great chapter.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 08:29:47 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 16, 2006, 07:32:14 am
IMHO,  I don't know (or hear of) any gay guys using vibrators.  They seem to be thought of more as a girls accessory even amongst the gay community, but I may be wrong.


It is an accessory that this girl certainly likes and I will admit, it has never been used in the other direction...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 11:53:39 am
150 posts and we'll pass "The Person Below Me" game thread.

Of course, as quiet as we've been today, that won't happen for ages. What happened to all the blabbity-blah-blah Ennis and Ellery fans?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 12:23:49 pm
I vote for Role Reversal as most erotic, with the buttplug day as second.  Though as David said, if they didn't have the love and other special aspects of their relationship, I would likely not find any of it erotic.

I've been busy this morning making pumpkin muffins from the gallery.  I'm not a very good cook, and I had to fudge a few of the steps here and there, but they turned out pretty yummy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 16, 2006, 12:29:06 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 12:23:49 pm
I vote for Role Reversal as most erotic, with the buttplug day as second.  Though as David said, if they didn't have the love and other special aspects of their relationship, I would likely not find any of it erotic.

I've been busy this morning making pumpkin muffins from the gallery.  I'm not a very good cook, and I had to fudge a few of the steps here and there, but they turned out pretty yummy!
I second your choices!
Oh how good of you that you made those muffins!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 16, 2006, 12:30:54 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 11:53:39 am
150 posts and we'll pass "The Person Below Me" game thread.

Of course, as quiet as we've been today, that won't happen for ages. What happened to all the blabbity-blah-blah Ennis and Ellery fans?

L
I'm on holiday in Greece Leslie, so I can only pop in about twice a day and not as long as I'd like to!
Have been able to keep reading SC though, thank God!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 16, 2006, 12:32:32 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 08:29:47 am
It is an accessory that this girl certainly likes and I will admit, it has never been used in the other direction...

L
Hehehe, they do come in handy don't they!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 16, 2006, 12:52:34 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 15, 2006, 06:23:45 pm
In honour of our 100 Page milestone,
I am posting 2 new pix of E & E  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ11_bw_2.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/AAngl.gif)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/enn6.jpg)


Many sincere thanks to the two underwear models who allowed me to play with their bodies there!  ;D



Holy fuck!! WOW!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 16, 2006, 12:53:43 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 15, 2006, 07:19:12 pm
Paper works. That much easier for Ellery to rip 'em off.

L
Hehehe Good thinking Leslie LOL!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 16, 2006, 12:56:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 15, 2006, 03:52:01 pm
A bit of an announcement:

The third book, "A Second Chance" will be concluded shortly.

The new book in the series is tentatively titled  "Shelter from the Storm'" and will chronicle Ennis and Ellery's experiences as they deepen their commitment to one another in an increasingly hostile environment of fear surrounding the spread of the AIDS epidemic and its impact upon the life and community of  the Red Stallion, and a crime wave of attacks against homosexuals.
Oh WOW Louise, this is the best news ever!!!
Thank you!!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 16, 2006, 01:06:44 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 11:53:39 am
150 posts and we'll pass "The Person Below Me" game thread.

Of course, as quiet as we've been today, that won't happen for ages. What happened to all the blabbity-blah-blah Ennis and Ellery fans?

L

Well, I'll do my part as I pass by the computer in the middle of installing an air conditioner in the upstairs window.

Leslie, didn't you say that your avatar had special meaning for you? Is it too privately special to share?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 16, 2006, 01:16:45 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 11:53:39 am
150 posts and we'll pass "The Person Below Me" game thread.

Of course, as quiet as we've been today, that won't happen for ages. What happened to all the blabbity-blah-blah Ennis and Ellery fans?

L

It's 35degrees here, and since the UK hasn't yet fully grasped the concept of aircon it is too hot to even think!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 01:28:41 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:12:20 am
oh you like that part of the story do you?

I should take a poll:  which sex adventure that Ennis had with Ellery was the most erotic?

1) Burned Biscuits
2) Lariat bondage
3) Silk tie bondage
4) Dildo Sex
5) Vibrator Sex
6) Role Reversal (Bottom Ennis)

Good thing we kept this poll 'in the house'...lol.

I would have to say, for me, the 'Role Reversal' scenes are super hawt & erotic! 


Quote from: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 12:23:49 pm
I've been busy this morning making pumpkin muffins from the gallery.  I'm not a very good cook, and I had to fudge a few of the steps here and there, but they turned out pretty yummy!

Excellent!  ;)
I made biscuits yesterday, was tempted to burn a few, but thought it wise not to set off the fire alarm .. lol




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 02:07:10 pm
Quote from: tamarack on July 16, 2006, 01:06:44 pm
Well, I'll do my part as I pass by the computer in the middle of installing an air conditioner in the upstairs window.

Leslie, didn't you say that your avatar had special meaning for you? Is it too privately special to share?

In a nutshell...I had a good friend here on Bettermost (actually a friend from the IMDb days) who decided to leave a few days ago for a variety of reasons. I am missing him and this was his avatar for a long time, so I changed to remember his presence here. Also, since I am a bit of a "Heathen" seeing Heath up there next to my name ain't so bad, either.  ;)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 02:09:52 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 16, 2006, 01:16:45 pm
It's 35degrees here, and since the UK hasn't yet fully grasped the concept of aircon it is too hot to even think!

It is 93.4 degrees F here (not sure what that is in C, but not as high as 35, I know) and we haven't grasped the concept of A/C in my house....there is a reason I am indoors in front of the computer with the fan blowing on me....

I like summer but once it is over 90, I am miserable.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 16, 2006, 02:41:22 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 02:09:52 pm
It is 93.4 degrees F here (not sure what that is in C, but not as high as 35, I know)

93.4F is 34C!   So, we're close...!  I thought every house in America had aircon.  We could sure do with it in this part of the UK.  *melts*

I'm not keen on it much past about 25C  (around 78F), but at 30C I'm wilting :(

On a rare occasion it'll hit 40C, but that generally happens maybe once every couple of years, and only for a day or two.  But, heck, I just try and get into the fridge on those sorts of days.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 16, 2006, 02:58:06 pm
Thanks, Leslie - that does make it extra special. I hope that your friend's leaving doesn't mean that you won't be in contact anymore.

Temperature-wise I'm only happy up to about 70, but if it was that cool I'd be doing something to move my life forward another step or two. With the heat I, too, give myself permission to stay close to the computer.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 03:15:03 pm
All this talk about heat! A few days ago, we had a great chat going about ice cream. It degenerated beautifully into a discussion of characters and their "flavors." So let's make it formal. Feel free to add or improve flavors as you see fit:

Ennis:  Rocky Road
Ellery:  Cherry Vanilla
Lang:  Moose Tracks
Beagle:  Rum Raisin
Wayne:  Peppermint
Dupree:  Neapolitan
Lauren:  Vanilla
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 16, 2006, 03:33:18 pm
You know, my name IS Lauren and I've never been partial to vanilla. Can we at least go to strawberry for Lauren?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 03:35:33 pm
Holy Moly!

Will someone give me a big hard dopeslap right now? SHIT! For some unknown reason, I decided to wade into the murky waters of (the other place) and have spent the last I don't know how many hours fighting the good fight to preserve the honor of Ennis and Ellery. Jeez. WHAT WAS I THINKING? Anyway, I know I have converted anyone over there but at least I managed to come out still looking like I have half a brain. PHEW!

I was actually told to "go to the Ennis and Ellery fansite." Oh brother.

And then I come here and we are happy and talking about ice cream and the weather. THANK GOD SOMEBODY HAS THEIR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT! LOL

For me: Ennis is Chunky Monkey; Ellery is Cherry Garcia. Of course I have to pick Ben & Jerry's flavors, I live in New England!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 03:38:31 pm
Maybe Buttercupscotch for Lang?  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 03:53:37 pm
Okay, update:

Ennis:  Chunky Monkey
Ellery:  Cherry Garcia
Lang:  Buttercupscotch
Beagle:  Rum Raisin
Wayne:  Peppermint
Dupree:  Neapolitan
Lauren:  Strawberry

Any more characters?

Edit: Gotta go for awhile. I'll check back in for more flavors!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 16, 2006, 04:13:04 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 03:35:33 pm
WHAT WAS I THINKING?

I think the heat has got to you...there is no other explanation!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 04:19:38 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 16, 2006, 04:13:04 pm
I think the heat has got to you...there is no other explanation!   :)

The heat? Is that it? You should go over there and survey the wreckage I left behind....I think I lost a few limbs in the terrorist fanfic war....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 04:40:23 pm
Phew! How about something soothing...and cool.....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/chunky_monkey_lg.gif)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/cherry_garcia_lg.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 04:46:26 pm
Leslie, thank you so much for the ice cream post, I needed that in a bad way.

Personally, for me, Ellery is Chocolate Peanut Butter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 04:48:04 pm
Don't Wes & Edna get a flavor? 
I'd say Praline or Butter Pecan...   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 04:57:15 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 16, 2006, 04:48:04 pm
Don't Wes & Edna get a flavor? 
I'd say Praline or Butter Pecan...   ;)


No....Bovinity Divinity!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 05:02:19 pm
Update:

Ennis:  Chunky Monkey ('Nuff said there)
Ellery:  Cherry Garcia or Chocolate Peanut Butter (Ladies: why?)
Lang:  Buttercupscotch (Just cuz)
Beagle:  Rum Raisin (Because no one likes it)
Wayne:  Peppermint (Too cool)
Dupree:  Neapolitan (Can't make up its mind which flavor it wants to be)
Lauren:  Strawberry (Sweet and fruity)
Wes and Edna: Praline Pecan? (Extra sweet and a little nutty) or Bovinity Divinity (Holy cow!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 16, 2006, 05:10:04 pm
I can handle most of the flavors, though I keep thinking Ellery in my mind would be prailines and creme----with that caramel ribbon thoughout! LOL
Though Lang may lean more toward key lime in my book than butterscotch, not much sweet about him!! hehehehehe
And I would vote for Lauren being pistachio--sweet, light and a little nutty. Well someone ought to be pistachio anyway.

I would have a hard time choosing my most erotic, though, I also have to agree without the caring and sharing emotional love, none of it would be erotic for me either.
But this may give me good reason to go back and reread, just to make sure I know which senerio moves me the most! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 05:35:11 pm
Ranchgal, how 'bout Key Lime for Leon, the little tart?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 05:36:26 pm
Guys,

Over in the Terrorist Fanfic War (TFW), this is one of the exchanges I had.....I am paraphrasing (in italics) a comment to which I responded. My comments follows the italics:

This poster stated that should could never see Ennis moving on, but realized others did. Then she commented that this is strange, because the movie helped her to believe she can move on with her own life. She reiterated the fact that while it was great the movie did this for her, "sweet, lonely Ennis" never would, no matter what. She wishes it was different, but it isn't.



I am glad that a movie--a MOVIE--and stories have helped you realize that you can move on with your life.

I am sad that you can believe that Ennis does not have the same capacity or ability to do so.

If a MOVIE can change our lives...and many of us freely admit that this movie HAS changed our lives, then why would deny "sweet, lonely Ennis" the same thing? Maybe his salvation wouldn't come in a movie, but in a book he reads, a person he meets, or  experience he has (I would argue he has had the experience: Jack's death).

It mystifies me why people will so readily admit to being open and able to change but deny that to Ennis. In my view, he is a man of infinite potential who just needs to put the pieces together to solve his own personal puzzle.

Leslie

Since I am calling this a war, you can imagine I got ripped to shreds on this statement. Personally, I think it is pretty reasonable. I am wondering what y'all think? Note...I am not making this comment in specific reference to Ennis and Ellery, just Ennis as a person...in any fic, in any universe. Thoughts?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: judyh on July 16, 2006, 05:54:21 pm
Hey, MaineWriter and notBastet,

I just read your postings on davecullen.com. Don't feel that you are wasting your time. I discovered "Taking Chances" because of a negative comment on LiveJournal about the 'moving on' theme. Those quotes concerning Jack will attract the attention of some Jack fan (like me) and will prompt someone to take a look. A title, a link, anything that gives a potential reader the opportunity to try it is good. If they like it, great. If they don't like it, they can quit reading any time. I think the most fair thing you can do is to let people know that something exists and let them decide whether they like it.

I appreciate all the discussion about whether Louise's Ennis is true to the original. I don't always agree with what people say, but I'm interested to read their opinions anyway, sometimes even when the opinions degenerate into name-calling. It's painful to be the one who gets called names, and I appreciate the fortitude of some of Louise's fans who continue to post occasional explanations and justifications despite some of the vituperative responses.

And just in case anybody didn't catch that hint, yes, I'm a Jack fan. I think there's lots of Jack in Louise's stuff and I think Jack gets treated with respect and love. That's only my opinion, and I've read plenty of comments from people of the opposite persuasion. I wouldn't know whether I'm in the minority or the majority, but I know that it is possible to ache for Jack and still like Ellery, to wish that Ennis had changed before Jack's death and still not reject out of hand the possibility that he could change after Jack's death. That may be just one more heartbreaking irony to add to all the heartbreak of BBM.

Judy
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 05:58:22 pm
Judy,
I see from your posting history you are new here so welcome, glad to have you join our little club.

Thanks for that thoughtful post, too. As you browse this thread, you'll see we are healthy blend of thoughtfulness and discussion with a dash of humor and lots of great pics!

Enjoy the ride....

Leslie
MW
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 05:59:28 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 05:35:11 pm
Ranchgal, how 'bout Key Lime for Leon, the little tart?

That works really well for me, or maybe lemon sherbert?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 16, 2006, 06:00:16 pm
There is no winning in this this, there is no coming over to the other side either--waste of your time and energy.  I use the forum over there to help find some new stories, and I appreciate that fact of it, but some of the ones they rave about, I can't get past the first chapter or two.   Personal choice.   You are valid in your points and I tend to agree because I wouldn't jump into the grave and join someone already in the casket---and this seems to be what a lot over there expect of Ennis/anyone who loses someone--they are to just stay right there forever.   Ridiculous-most people couldn't and wouldn't, but there are always those few.

People who lose people eventually have to make a conscious choice as to what comes next---life dictates by necessity that one must go on and get over and keep going.
HOW one chooses to do this however is individual and very different.
IF someone never chooses to try to love again---it depends on where they do decide to put that energy---are they involved in community, helping others, doing good for ones that are still here that they love?  OR are they just wallowing, mourning forever in self pity??
That makes the difference.   My Mom lost two husbands, one in a plane crash, one with health issues---after my father died, and was gone 6 months--I asked her if she was still crying---because I was.   She wasn't---She misses him like crazy, but is still very involved in everything--and I had to finally let time take over and learn that he is in my heart and that life is for the living and life goes on.

I  believe that a 40 year old man who loses the love of his life usually goes 1 of two ways--he either decides to keep up with his real life and responsibilities and goes on, learning to love again with time, and dealing with his life postively-Those are the real survivors, still loving their families that are still here, and making choices that help them cope--or he starts drinking, resigns from life, and ends up dead.    Same with some divorces, you have all seen them-the ones who have let their lives deteriorately so drastically, they don't function anymore, have trouble with work and can't get over anything.  they are just waiting for the grim reaper---yes they happen, but they are tragic.

I never felt that Ennis was tragic, and I always thought that with the girls to help him stay involved---he could and would go back into life, just as the Laramie Sagas have demonstrated he could.   Maybe the timeline wouldn't be quite the same in some lives, but it could and would happen very similar to that depending on choices made.

I think you stated your views very well, the fact that over there--they end with the story, and are just waiting to shovel dirt over Ennis as deep as Jack is buried, is nothing you can argue with.  IT doesn't matter---I couldn't believe that if I tried, and I know a few who never go on-and I know lots more that time finally did let them find something else to make a difference and they started putting one foot in front of the other again.    My Mom will never marry again, because at 80+ her choices are pretty limited, but she goes out to dinner with friends, and stays involved in everything she did before.   When her 1st died she was only 23---with a baby---and she mourned him for years, but she didn't have time to just STOP living and play dead- and My Dad understood when they started falling in love that she had a past-they were 29 when they married--and ready made family--and they made over 35 years together before he passed on.    LIfe and time makes you go on after awhile.
IF people don't want to, I think maybe they haven't lost anyone close to them, because life is for the living--no matter how you look at it.
I love The Laramie Sagas, and enjoy the process of E/E going on and getting together.  IT works for me---and if it doesn't for them, fine, let them leave it alone, no sense trying to spoil our view of it.

this is all just my own ramblings, but I wouldn't waste my time arguing with anyone over there--they already know it all, and are more than willing to tell you what they think you should be knowing and reading, and that doesn't work for me very well.
just my own opinion.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 16, 2006, 06:07:40 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 05:59:28 pm
That works really well for me, or maybe lemon sherbert?


That would work too--I really just want to smash his face with some---but tangy would definately fit him!! LOL ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 06:08:57 pm
Leslie, The original exchange that you quoted was pretty respectful; I'm sorry you got flamed after stating your opinion so calmly and succinctly. Your reasoning is well-founded, although I suspect pretty much everyone here is going to say that. It's why we're all here!

The Ennis of the story clearly does not move on (as noted in the prologue); the Ennis of the movie leaves more room for the possibility of growth. Since I needed to move past the unending grief and hopelessness of the original ending, I found Louise's fiction healing, for Ennis and – through him – for me. I must have hope in my life; it's how I live. I find fulfillment in giving others hope, too. Proulx's story is a cautionary tale of the disastrous results of rural homophobia. It is NOT a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is canon up to the point of its conclusion, but even Proulx says the story does not end until we, the readers, provide it.

The Laramie Saga is one such ending. It is the one that gives life; it does not take it away. It gives us all hope for what is possible in Ennis' world and in ours. The lightheartedness and cohesiveness of this thread is a reflection of the fiction that we all enjoy.

Don't take those critics to heart, Leslie. Louise knows better than to let them get to her. We need to lift her and each other up rather than succumb to the outrage of those who are still hurting from the original story. Like Louise's Ennis, we need to move on.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 06:11:49 pm
I have never visited the DC board, so I have not experienced the 'War' first hand.
Frankly, if I was interested in arguing and name-calling, I'd have stayed at Imdb..lol.
I simply don't get all the drama and fuss over MO!Ennis; 
If Louise's fanfic doesn't interest some readers, that's fine - but why take it the extra mile and resort to name-calling and all the pettiness?  I'll never understand it ...

I love the story of J&E and I love the story of E&E, what's so wrong about that?
It's all love, aint it?  Why is Ennis expected to shrivel up and die slowly after Jack?
Who would wish that on someone they love dearly?  Not I ...

As long as Louise is willing to continue the Laramie Saga, I am here, a devoted reader!  ;)



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 06:26:24 pm
Everyone,
Thanks for your comments, you are making me feel better. I am still interested in thoughts on Ennis...I mean, we are here because we are reading this story so obviously we believe he can grow and change, but I still think there is plenty of room for discussion...so dive in, thoughts?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 06:43:31 pm
Thoughts on Ennis:

There is ample evidence of Ennis' ability to change; the strongest example is when he allows himself to surrender to Jack, in spite of a lifetime of resistance to the whole idea of loving another man. He continues to struggle with that change, but it happens nonetheless. He grows up being self-sufficient and beholden to no one, but at the first signs that Jack is unhappy Ennis gives Jack what he can to make him happy: soup instead of beans, changing jobs, etc. When Junior asks Ennis to attend her wedding, he realizes he must change his life for those who love him; and he decides to give up a job so that he can be there for her. It would not be inconsistent to believe that, having once known love, Ennis would seek to find love again once he realizes the possibility.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 06:55:20 pm
Quote from: judyh on July 16, 2006, 05:54:21 pm
Hey, MaineWriter and notBastet,

I just read your postings on davecullen.com. Don't feel that you are wasting your time.

Judy

Thank you Judy, very much, for your kind words.  Obviously, I too feel Jack is treated with respect and love.  And it has always been, and will always be, my opinion that love for one person does not diminish love for another.  I believe our hearts are infinitely capable of love, though sadly, we don't always see that in the world around us, I do believe it is possible.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 07:06:40 pm
Deep thoughts need ice cream:

Ennis:  Chunky Monkey ('Nuff said there)
Ellery:  Cherry Garcia or Chocolate Peanut Butter or Pralines & Cream  (Ladies: why?)
Lang:  Moose Tracks (Big and chunky) or Buttercupscotch (You know why)
Beagle:  Rum Raisin (Because no one likes it)
Wayne:  Peppermint (Too cool)
Dupree:  Neapolitan (Can't make up its mind which flavor it wants to be)
Lauren:  Strawberry (Sweet and fruity) or Pistachio (Sweet, light, a little nutty)
Wes and Edna: Praline Pecan (Extra sweet and a little nutty) or Bovinity Divinity (Holy cow!)
Leon:  Key Lime (A little tart)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 07:11:44 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on July 16, 2006, 06:00:16 pm
People who lose people eventually have to make a conscious choice as to what comes next---life dictates by necessity that one must go on and get over and keep going.

I  believe that a 40 year old man who loses his life usually goes 1 of two ways--he either decides to keep up with his real life and responsibilities and goes on, learning to love again with time, and dealing with his life postively-Those are the real survivors, still loving their families that are still here, and making choices that help them cope--or he starts drinking, resigns from life, and ends up dead.    Same with some divorces, you have all seen them-the ones who have let their lives deteriorately so drastically, they don't function anymore, have trouble with work and can't get over anything.  they are just waiting for the grim reaper---yes they happen, but they are tragic.


Thank you for saying all you have said Ranchgal.  It is good to know I am not alone in my feelings about Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:12:20 pm
I am home from my concert and had a wonderful time, and once again it looks like I chose a good day to go to the symphony!!!!

Don't worry about my writing motivation folks, all of the positive commentary, support, and interest are all I need to sustain me.  Stay tuned for more chapters tomorrow.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 07:14:36 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 07:06:40 pm
Deep thoughts need ice cream:

Ennis:  Chunky Monkey ('Nuff said there)
Ellery:  Cherry Garcia or Chocolate Peanut Butter or Pralines & Cream  (Ladies: why?)
Lang:  Moose Tracks (Big and chunky) or Buttercupscotch (You know why)
Beagle:  Rum Raisin (Because no one likes it)
Wayne:  Peppermint (Too cool)
Dupree:  Neapolitan (Can't make up its mind which flavor it wants to be)
Lauren:  Strawberry (Sweet and fruity) or Pistachio (Sweet, light, a little nutty)
Wes and Edna: Praline Pecan (Extra sweet and a little nutty) or Bovinity Divinity (Holy cow!)
Leon:  Key Lime (A little tart)


 ;D  Absolutely brilliant!

I've been busy helping myself to some of the 'cast members' in the meantime ...  ::)


(http://tinypic.com/aoqdec.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 07:15:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 16, 2006, 07:12:20 pm
I am home from my concert and had a wonderful time, and once again it looks like I chose a good day to go to the symphony!!!!

Don't worry about my writing motivation folks, all of the positive commentary, support, and interest are all I need to sustain me.  Stay tuned for more chapters tomorrow.

Great to see ya back Louise!  ;)
Can't wait for updates tomorrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 16, 2006, 07:28:58 pm

Ennis Del Mar - On Death and Dying

A few years back the great medical researcher, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross wrote the book length study, On Death and Dying.

In the story canon, Ennis passed through four of the five stages of death and dying, which equally apply to grief.

1. Denial: After receiving the "deceased" stamped post card he proceeded to the pay phone, telling himself that Jack would answer the phone - had to answer the phone.

2. Anger: He wanted to curse Lureen for letting Jack die on the dirt road.

3. Bargaining: The trip to Lightning Flat, seeking the ashes and finding the shirts, was a vain attempt to make peace with the reality of Jack's death.

4. Depression: The story ends, leaving Ennis and all of us who care about him, in a state of deep depression over the devastating loss of the love of his life.

The Laramie Saga is the story of Ennis moving into the final stage of grief:

5. Acceptance: In every way Ellery helps Ennis deal with his grief, honoring the love he and Jack shared, and moving into a new love and life.

Ennis and Jack are real archetypes of men who love each other, and so our grief over Jack's death is real. People have to move through the stages of grief at our own rate, in our own time. Those who are still in one of the first four stages of grief as above very much want dear Ennis to stay there to keep them company. The stages of grief are fluid, and we move back and forth among them.

For those who are emotionally hurt by the wars at that other site, I have the following words of advice: Stay out of there (*growl*).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 07:31:01 pm
Lucise, I am jealous!  I got to have pumpkin muffins, but you also got to have ice cream!  I just might have to make a special trip to the store.

Just a word of explanation on my part, regarding what Leslie has affectionately named TFW.

First of all, thank you all so much for sharing your individual opinions on Ennis, and Ellery, and Jack.  And thank you for giving Leslie and myself (and of course Louise) some moral support.  You all are a breath of fresh air...  

It was not my goal, nor my hope to change anyone's mind, I just felt the need to stand up and be heard.  I think there are others out there who want to move on, who think Ennis can move on, and I wanted them to know they weren't alone.  And we are not allowed to post "Come join us at Bettermost if you are an Ennis and Ellery fan.  There you will be treated with kindness and respect."  So instead, we had to stand up for Ennis and Ellery over there.  At least, that's my take on the situation.

So, sorry to have dragged anyone down by adding unnecessary drama, but again, thanks for all your words of support.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 07:37:47 pm
Oh, I think someone wanted me to explain why I wanted chocolate and peanut butter ice cream for Ellery.

I think it's because there are two textures, both equally delicious, just as you might get bored with one texture, your tastes buds find something very different, but incredibly rich.  I like the richness of it personally, and I think Ellery is a very rich man, and I don't mean he has a lot of money in the bank, and no I am not referring to the size/quality of the items in his fruit basket either (though I've no doubt anything is lacking).
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 07:38:49 pm
How 'bout this for Ellery's ice cream:

Ellery:  Cherry Garcia (Soooo sweet) or Chocolate Peanut Butter (Rich and delectable to the tongue) or Pralines & Cream (Sweet, nutty and uh, creamy)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 07:44:43 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 07:38:49 pm
How 'bout this for Ellery's ice cream:

Ellery:  Cherry Garcia (Soooo sweet) or Chocolate Peanut Butter (Rich and delectable to the tongue) or Pralines & Cream (Sweet, nutty and uh, creamy)

Here's something to add to our recipe gallery next time .. (for Chocolate Peanut Butter Ellery fans ...)  ;)

Chocolate-Peanut Butter Cup Pie

(http://www.ohannualrecipes.com/images/fr2.jpg)

Layers of chocolate ice cream, hot fudge topping, and peanut butter cups fill a chocolate cookie crust in this heavenly four-ingredient dessert.

Prep: 13 minutes
Other: 6 hours

  4 cups no-sugar-added chocolate ice cream
  1/2 cup chopped miniature peanut butter cups
  (about 11 candies), divided
  1 (6-ounce) cream-filled chocolate sandwich cookie
  pie crust (such as Oreo)
  1/4 cup fat-free hot fudge topping

1. Let ice cream stand at room temperature 5 minutes or until slightly softened.
2. Combine ice cream and 1/4 cup chopped candy in a large bowl. Spoon ice cream mixture into bottom of pie crust. Sprinkle remaining 1/4 cup candy over top. Cover and freeze at least 6 hours or until firm. Drizzle each slice with hot fudge topping. Yield: 8 servings (serving size: 1 slice and 1 1/2 teaspoons hot fudge topping).

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 16, 2006, 07:50:34 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 16, 2006, 07:44:43 pm
Here's something to add to our recipe gallery next time .. (for Chocolate Peanut Butter Ellery fans ...)

Chocolate-Peanut Butter Cup Pie



OK, Lucise, just so you know...

I gained a pound or two just looking at that picture of chocolate-peanut butter cup pie!

 ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 07:53:57 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 16, 2006, 07:50:34 pm
OK, Lucise, just so you know...

I gained a pound or two just looking at that picture of chocolate-peanut butter cup pie!

 ::)

 ;D Yeah right Fred! 
The next time I have people over at my place, I am making that for dessert!

Having a piece of Ellery for dessert ...hmmm...yum!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 16, 2006, 08:09:27 pm
eeek! you guys have got me hungry for ice cream!  I havent had ice cream for 9 months!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 08:15:36 pm
Try one of these, Louise!

Ennis:  Chunky Monkey ('Nuff said there)
Ellery:  Cherry Garcia (Soooo sweet) or Chocolate Peanut Butter (Rich and delectable to the tongue) or Pralines & Cream (Sweet, nutty and uh, creamy)
Lang:  Moose Tracks (Big and chunky) or Buttercupscotch (You know why)
Beagle:  Rum Raisin (Because no one likes it)
Wayne:  Peppermint (Too cool)
Dupree:  Neapolitan (Can't make up its mind which flavor it wants to be)
Lauren:  Strawberry (Sweet and fruity) or Pistachio (Sweet, light, a little nutty)
Wes and Edna: Praline Pecan (Extra sweet and a little nutty) or Bovinity Divinity (Holy cow!)
Leon:  Key Lime (A little tart)

I'll have a little Ennis and a lot of CPB Ellery, please!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 08:16:54 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 16, 2006, 07:44:43 pm
Here's something to add to our recipe gallery next time .. (for Chocolate Peanut Butter Ellery fans ...)  ;)

Chocolate-Peanut Butter Cup Pie

Lucise - thank you for the recipe!  I can't wait to try it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 08:23:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 16, 2006, 08:09:27 pm
eeek! you guys have got me hungry for ice cream!  I havent had ice cream for 9 months!

That's it!
Let's have an ice-cream party...grab a cone everyone!!  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/66ce3149.jpg)


Quote from: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 08:16:54 pm
Lucise - thank you for the recipe!  I can't wait to try it.

Me too!  :)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 16, 2006, 08:25:16 pm
Ok,  I just got home.  What did I miss?   LOL

It must have been 100+ degrees farenheit today!    

Fortunately I was at a cookout & Pool party.    Picture this,  16 guys in the pool playing vollyball.     Trunks versus Skins!     LOL,   and by 5pm there very few trunks on!

Yee Haa!     :laugh:


Sorry ladies and Gents, no photos have turned up.   yet!    
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 08:44:37 pm
Hee hee hee David, sounds like my kind of pool party...

Do you think Ellery could persuade Ennis to take part in the fun?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 08:48:17 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 16, 2006, 07:28:58 pm
Ennis Del Mar - On Death and Dying

A few years back the great medical researcher, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross wrote the book length study, On Death and Dying.

In the story canon, Ennis passed through four of the five stages of death and dying, which equally apply to grief.

1. Denial: After receiving the "deceased" stamped post card he proceeded to the pay phone, telling himself that Jack would answer the phone - had to answer the phone.

2. Anger: He wanted to curse Lureen for letting Jack die on the dirt road.

3. Bargaining: The trip to Lightning Flat, seeking the ashes and finding the shirts, was a vain attempt to make peace with the reality of Jack's death.

4. Depression: The story ends, leaving Ennis and all of us who care about him, in a state of deep depression over the devastating loss of the love of his life.

The Laramie Saga is the story of Ennis moving into the final stage of grief:

5. Acceptance: In every way Ellery helps Ennis deal with his grief, honoring the love he and Jack shared, and moving into a new love and life.

Ennis and Jack are real archetypes of men who love each other, and so our grief over Jack's death is real. People have to move through the stages of grief at our own rate, in our own time. Those who are still in one of the first four stages of grief as above very much want dear Ennis to stay there to keep them company. The stages of grief are fluid, and we move back and forth among them.

For those who are emotionally hurt by the wars at that other site, I have the following words of advice: Stay out of there (*growl*).


Fred
I wish you would or could post this over in "the other place." Those folks need to read this. Let's hope they are lurking....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 16, 2006, 08:49:36 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 08:44:37 pm
Hee hee hee David, sounds like my kind of pool party...

Do you think Ellery could persuade Ennis to take part in the fun?

L

Hell no!    Ennis is way too jealous to let Ellery in the pool naked with other guys.

Ennis doesn't even like seeing two guys smooching at the Stallion let alone playing naked vollyball!   LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 08:51:24 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 16, 2006, 08:49:36 pm
Hell no!    Ennis is way too jealous to let Ellery in the pool naked with other guys.

Ennis doesn't even like seeing two guys smooching at the Stallion let alone playing naked vollyball!   LOL

In the proper frame of mind, naked volleyball is way less suggestive and less sexy than a kiss at the Red Stallion....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 08:57:09 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 08:51:24 pm
In the proper frame of mind, naked volleyball is way less suggestive and less sexy than a kiss at the Red Stallion....

What kinda frame have you got around that picture?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 08:59:23 pm
I want to serve ice cream at David's party.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 09:01:30 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 08:57:09 pm
What kinda frame have you got around that picture?

You've gotta understand, I like nude beaches...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 09:06:43 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 08:59:23 pm
I want to serve ice cream at David's party.  ;D

Let's serve together...LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 09:18:40 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 16, 2006, 08:25:16 pm
Sorry ladies and Gents, no photos have turned up.   yet!    

Well that's a bummer!

I'm sure we could find some new cast members in such a picture!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 16, 2006, 09:23:08 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 08:48:17 pm
Fred
I wish you would or could post this over in "the other place." Those folks need to read this. Let's hope they are lurking....

L

Hi, Leslie!

Please feel free to copy and paste over there. I have no desire or intention of visiting that site ever again. People I care about have been hurt over there because of the irresponsibility of moderators. If I knew how to withdraw my registration from that site I would do so.

If you promise not to linger over there too long while pasting my thoughts, I promise not to growl, at least not to growl too much...  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 16, 2006, 09:47:07 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 08:59:23 pm
I want to serve ice cream at David's party.  ;D

Hmm,  I don't remember any icecream at the party.  But there were plenty of Hot dogs!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 16, 2006, 09:49:36 pm
MaineWriter and notBastet kindly invited me to visit the E&E thread.  I've spent the better part of this past week reading through the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd parts of the Laramie Saga, up to yesterday. 

I'm sorry to hear about the bad blood between Bettermost and Dave Cullen's forum; I expect I'm going to hang out in both and try to stay out of the line of fire  ;)

I spent the first few months of this year working through the strong feelings BBM awoke within me by PhotoShopping fanart, based on the film or on madlori's AU fanfic Human Interest.  They're here. (http://flickr.com/groups/13857979@N00/pool/95658911@N00/)

Over the past couple months I've been trying my hand at fanfic, using madlori's AU BBM universe.  (In other words, you have to have read Human Interest for any of my fanfic to make sense.)  You can find that here (http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=4664.msg183476#msg183476)...note it's not finished yet (it might land up being as long as The Laramie Saga  :laugh:).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 09:57:19 pm
Hello QuipLash ..

Welcome!  :)

I love your Photoshop art!  I like to do abit of that myself! 
Hope you pull up a chair, get comfy and have some icecream with us!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 10:08:04 pm
Welcome, Quiplash! We're glad you're here. Have some sprinkles with that ice cream.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 10:11:43 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 09:01:30 pm
You've gotta understand, I like nude beaches...

In Maine?! That would explain your "frame of mind." Shrinkage!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 16, 2006, 10:12:17 pm
Hey Quiplash!
 
    You and I are on the Flickr BBM pages as well!    Welcome to BetterMost!

I have some of your artwork scattered about the site here too!   It has been VERY well received!    

 :)   David    aka: DavidinHartford
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 16, 2006, 10:14:20 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 10:11:43 pm
In Maine?! That would explain your "frame of mind." Shrinkage!

Tell me about it!    I remember being 13 yrs old and running into the water at York Beach!!!     BRRRRR!!!!      I was hitting all the high notes in the choir that year!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 10:17:06 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 16, 2006, 10:12:17 pm

    You and I are on the Flickr BBM pages as well!    Welcome to BetterMost!

Is Flickr a photo management site? like Photobucket?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: judyh on July 16, 2006, 10:28:59 pm
In response to MaineWriter's request for more thoughts on Ennis, here is a quote from a lovely post over on davecullen.com.
"My grandmother lost her husband to cancer when they were both quite young. She has not so much as looked
at another man in decades. They do exist, people who just keep living, always standing a quiet vigil over the
dead. She still smiles, comes to family picnics, but we all see the empty space next to her, and we know that even
though we long ago healed frmo losing our grandfather, she will never heal from losing the love of her life. For
me, knowing Ennis is in that place helps me move on. Because even if I forget, there is someone who never
will, who never can, who always leaves a little room next to themselves at the picnic table." planetgal471

And here is what I think, and posted, in response.

Yes, we all do know people who serve as constant reminders of a dead loved one, like an extra place
always laid at the table, "an empty space next to her," as planetgal471 puts it so well. I don't think Ennis can
be one of those people. It's possible that he will never move on, and some readers expect him to never move
on based on his behavior in the original novella, but I don't think he can be a public reminder. His efforts to
keep the relationship secret prevent that. In his world, nobody looks at Ennis and sees an empty space next to
him where Jack should be. If he began talking about the relationship in public, perhaps became a speaker on the
circuit advocating gay rights, people would begin to see that empty space next to him. But if Ennis could reveal
the relationship to strangers or even talk about it within his family circle, the whole tragedy need not have
happened. Only Alma knows the truth in the novella and in the movie, and in the fanfics that show Ennis
gradually loosening his tongue a bit, it's still pretty hard to manage more than a few sentences to Alma and one
daughter.

As Ennis notes sadly in a conversation with new boyfriend Ellery, Ennis was just a fishing buddy, not a
person with the legal or social standing to demand a etter investigation into Jack's death, to ask for a
complete explanation of the circumstances, and to press for the arrest of the perpetrator(s) if it was an attack
rather than an accident. Because he was not recognized as a "significant other" he didn't even receive the news
of Jack's death until long after the event, when the trail was going cold.

Given the circumstances at the time, Ennis chose to keep the relationship a secret and forfeited his chance to
be a public reminder of the empty space next to him. In the world of the novella and the movie, only he can see
that empty space.
Ennis is in the position of many people who had secret relationships or had relationships that are not recognized
as meaningful in the larger society. Those people don't get the ashes, they don't get the flag that was draped
over the coffin, sometimes they can't even express their grief in public because the relationship was so hidden or
was the sort of relationship that is viewed as not important, not deeply meaningful. Not being able to talk
about it, either for fear of discovery or for fear that listeners will deny the importance of the connection, is
an additional stress borne by the person who survives.

I wonder if some of the readers who object to Ennis moving on are objecting because they feel that he owes
it to Jack to stay put. Maybe he should atone for the injustices done to Jack by himself and by society by
remaining celibate for the rest of his life, by being that public reminder of the person who is no longer there, like
Coretta Scott King or planetgal471's grandmother. But that won't work in this situation.

So maybe readers think that Ennis's own tendency toward self-punishment would cause him to reject any
ideas of finding another partner. Ennis may feel that he betrayed Jack once by refusing to try for the more full-
time relationship that Jack wanted, and any thoughts of finding another partner would be an additional betrayal,
unthinkable after all the pain caused for both him and Jack by the first betrayal.

I think the most popular reason for not moving on is the idea that Ennis feels Jack was really his one and only, no
one else would ever be what Jack was, perhaps no one else would ever be attractive to Ennis, in the line of
thinking where Ennis was queer for Jack but not for anyone else. Any other ideas that I might have left out
for why he wouldn't change?

I think Ennis does demonstrate the capacity for change, a very small capacity before Jack's death in that he
agrees to resurrect the affair, and a somewhat larger capacity after the shock of Jack's death. As mentioned in
a recent post, Ennis decides that attending Junior's wedding is worth the risk of getting fired for asking for
time off from work at a busy time of year. He visits Jack's parents to inquire about spreading the ashes on
Brokeback Mountain and takes the two shirts, both of which actions run the risk of revealing his secret. As it
turns out, Jack's parents suspected or knew all along, so he only confirms the connection for them. But he
had no way of knowing that ahead of time, and he stands his ground under the hostile gaze and disdainful
words of Jack's father. Whether those changes indicate that, under the continuing pressure of his grief, Ennis
can develop additional capacity for change, capacity sufficient to allow the changes that occur in Louise's
series, is an open question. As I've said before, I'm willing to suspend my disbelief just a smidgen in return
for the pleasure of reading an entertaining series of stories that explores a lot of themes with strong
emotional appeal for me.

Henry James wrote in The Art of Fiction, "We must grant the artist his subject, his idea, his donne' : our criticsm
is applied only to what he makes of it." Maybe it's not a question of "must" but a question of "can choose to." I
understand the objection of some critics that a piece advertised as "canon" doesn't leave room for granting
the artist his subject. The artist is constrained by the canon work of art. I wonder if the objections would stop
if Louise were to say that her stories are not strictly canon. I'm not at all suggesting that she should do that.
I'm just wondering if that would stop the objections. I think the discussion invited by MaineWriter is
meaningful, and here's hoping there will be a few more comments.

Judy
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 16, 2006, 10:36:06 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 16, 2006, 10:17:06 pm
Is Flickr a photo management site? like Photobucket?
Flickr is a social networking services based on photographs.  There are an astounding number of amazing photos in any and every subject area (all photos can be tagged with one or more keywords to make searching easier).

Here's the Brokeback Mountain group on Flickr (http://flickr.com/groups/13857979@N00/).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2006, 10:40:47 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on July 16, 2006, 10:36:06 pm
Flickr is a social networking services based on photographs.  There are an astounding number of amazing photos in any and every subject area (all photos can be tagged with one or more keywords to make searching easier).

Here's the Brokeback Mountain group on Flickr (http://flickr.com/groups/13857979@N00/).

Cheers QL!
I am gonna check out that link..maybe I'll join!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 16, 2006, 11:05:08 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 07:38:49 pm
How 'bout this for Ellery's ice cream:

Ellery:  Cherry Garcia (Soooo sweet) or Chocolate Peanut Butter (Rich and delectable to the tongue) or Pralines & Cream (Sweet, nutty and uh, creamy)

YES, and when I think of someone as smooth as Ellery, caramel comes to mind, so his just has to have that ribbon of carmel in it for Me! Rich,, and  Sweet creamy, nutty and smooth LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 16, 2006, 11:09:54 pm
judyh-

Thanks for those beautifully expressed thoughts on Ennis and Jack and Ennis and Ellery. I'm so glad that they were posted over on that other site. I hope they will help others both there and here in understanding. They certainly have helped me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Phillip Dampier on July 16, 2006, 11:17:45 pm
Guys and gals, thanks for making this one of our busier threads here.  Please do me one favor though.  I like to maintain positive relationships and feelings towards all of the other Brokeback Mountain-related forums.  I know there may be differences in points of view and style on the different sites, but users can decide which they favor by spending the time at the sites they enjoy most.  I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable who enjoys this site and others, so let's keep it friendly.  Being united feels so much better than being divided.

Thanks!!!   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 11:20:50 pm
You guys inspired me!  I took a special trip to the store to pick up some Ben and Jerry's... I just had a new flavor - Neapolitan Dynamite (I think).  It's Cherry Garcia and Chocolate Brownie side by side. It was delicious!

(My fave flavor - Chocolate Peanut Butter is at Baskin Robbins, and they were already closed for the night...)

I'm sure y'all are sick and tired of hearing my opinion today... but I think Ennis moving on, in part, says, I loved you Jack, thanks for teaching me to love, I'm sorry I didn't do better by you, but look at what you taught me about loving...  maybe that is just me being overly romantic.  (In general, I don't begrudge people happiness.)

I also think for Ennis, and for some like him (I include myself in that group), opening up to strangers (like he did at the opening of Taking Chances) may actually be easier than opening up to people you know and love.  They don't have a vision of who you are that you may risk ruining by revealing a 'secret.'  I know it has been much easier for me to talk about my Brokeback experience with online 'strangers' than with people I know in real life.  As nervous as he was about being at the bar in Laramie, he knew they all had one thing in common...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 16, 2006, 11:26:32 pm
Okay, I went back and read Leslie's original comment...

Which prompted me to say one more thing - I think epiphanies (or whatever you choose to call life changing experiences) can happen to anyone, at any age, and I think there is no limit on the scale in terms of what can cause an epiphany (e.g. reading a particular slogan on a billboard vs. losing a loved one).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 17, 2006, 12:20:45 am
Quote from: Quiplash on July 16, 2006, 09:49:36 pm
I expect I'm going to hang out in both and try to stay out of the line of fire  ;)

My sincere apologies for making anyone feel like they were in the line of fire... certainly wasn't my intention.  (Was just trying to express my opinion, unpopular though it was.)  I am having a lot of fun discussing Ennis and Ellery here (thanks everyone!) - I hope you will too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 17, 2006, 12:24:18 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 16, 2006, 08:23:09 pm
That's it!
Let's have an ice-cream party...grab a cone everyone!!  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/66ce3149.jpg)





Oh God!!!!!!!!! Yummy, I LOVE ICECREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 17, 2006, 12:27:11 am
Quote from: judyh on July 16, 2006, 05:54:21 pm

And just in case anybody didn't catch that hint, yes, I'm a Jack fan. I think there's lots of Jack in Louise's stuff and I think Jack gets treated with respect and love. That's only my opinion, and I've read plenty of comments from people of the opposite persuasion. I wouldn't know whether I'm in the minority or the majority, but I know that it is possible to ache for Jack and still like Ellery, to wish that Ennis had changed before Jack's death and still not reject out of hand the possibility that he could change after Jack's death. That may be just one more heartbreaking irony to add to all the heartbreak of BBM.

Judy
Judy, I'm with you on everything you've said here  :)
Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 03:59:57 am
I would like to second what Phillip said.  I am a member of davecullen.com, and have done my best to follow the rules there and to be a positive participant.  I joined Bettermost due to the fact that there were fans and threads here I could participate in, and the ability to make individual threads for individual fics, that I find a very healthy and creative means of discussing the details of fan fics on BBM's theme.  I didn't come here to criticize other forums.

One of the things that is so wonderful about Bettermost is the philosophy of acceptance, tolerance, and friendliness that is vigorously maintained, and its stated purpose to help people go on and "finish the story" for themselves.  Discussion of various points of view in the portrayal of the main characters (canon, au, etc.) can be helpful to an extent but ultimately it boils down to readers selecting what they enjoy and relate to.

It is hard to be criticized and for people to say unpleasant things about a fic that has helped people to deal with grief, anger and sadness caused by BBM... but ultimately we have to move on from that, too.  And as soon as I get my butt in gear I will have some new chapters for you all to nibble on.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 04:41:02 am
I am posting this commentary to critics and readers, both here and on davecullen.com in response to this weekend's discussion.


A few comments that were made about "the Laramie Saga" which may not be clear to those who haven't read it yet, is comprised of three novel length books, "Taking Chances", "Looking for Answers" and "A Second Chance" and will be extending to a fourth volume as soon as I finish "A Second Chance," which will be called "Shelter from the Storm", I would just like to clarify, for those who may be interested.

1) It is not a fic about Ennis picking up an open gay man in a leather bar.  It is about Ennis getting involved with a high ranking Sheriff's deputy who owns a bar.  They meet during the course of investigating a disturbance at the bar that Ennis accidentally gets sucked into.

2) Ellery (the O.C. love interest) is not an "openly gay law enforcement official living in Rural Wyoming."  The back story in "Taking Chances" reveals that Ellery's boss and the D.A., as well as selected veterans in the Sheriff's department, learned of his homosexuality when he was forcibly outed by his lover, who caused a disturbance in his office.  Due to the recent repeal of the Wyoming Sodomy law (1977) (the fic takes place in 1984) his status as a homosexual living with another man was found to be legal, and attempts to oust him from his job (he was a 12 year veteran by now) were unsuccessful, leading to the firing of those colleagues who refused to work with a "queer."  His status in "Taking Chances" is not "openly gay."  In addition, Ennis does not live openly with him when they move in together, but they use a "don't ask don't tell" policy with those around them, particularly on the job.  Ellery's way of answering people regarding questions of his homosexuality are that due to the sensitivity of his job it is a question he does not answer.

3) Laramie is not "rural Wyoming."  I picked Laramie in a very deliberate way, because at least as of 1998 (when Matthew Shepard was picked up and assaulted after meeting some men there), there was a gay bar in that city.  It is considered one of if not the most progressive spot in Wyoming (see the City of Laramie website) due to the liberalizing influence of the University of Wyoming.  The gay bar I created for this story is along the pattern of a liberal oasis in a liberal city, all loosely based on the actual facts of Laramie as this progressive oasis.  It is also not too terribly long a drive from Riverton, where Ennis had been living during his mourning period.

4) It has been said repeatedly that Ennis (and I summarize) picked up some guy at a gay bar and hopped into bed with him. That is not what happened in this story.  He spent nearly two full years in the grip of a black depression, which was ended when he received a gift from Jack's mother - a journal of brief entries and a letter addressed to Ennis, from Jack.  Reading some of the entries compelled him to begin research on homosexuality, and led him to find out that there was a "men's club" in Laramie, and he extended his research there.  At that point he was caught up in an investigation of an assault of a young queer living in secret with a man who beat him, and in the process of helping Ellery find out more about it, becomes involved sexually with him.

5) The references to their "hot gay duty-free sex", in my opinion, is not a fair or accurate summary of "Taking Chances."  The first 36,000 words of the book (more than a quarter of the text) take place before the relationship with Ellery actually begins. 

6) In terms of readership, I cannot say how many people are reading it, and how many no longer read who lost interest in it.  If Livejournal had a hit count I might know that.  I can tell you that I wouldn't be writing a 4th book in the series if there wasn't very high interest, however.  I wouldn't bother.

7) I also want to mention that slash fiction IS about sex fantasy.  If there were no sex or fantasy in it, it wouldn't be slash fiction.  To this end, there is humor and an entertainment element as well as mystery, drama, and angst.  I don't feel that this is outside the pale of slash fiction, nor do I owe any apologies for that.  Some themes, like the processing of grief over a secret lover, are too painful to not have some relief, and that is also part of my purpose.  I don't want to make readers cry unrelentingly or make the wounds left by BBM any deeper, and have tried to make reading these fics entertaining as well as comforting.  I would also like to say that those who have read and enjoyed the "Laramie" stories have found Ennis to be accurate, his growth to be believable and credible, and the story to be a fair assessment of conditions in that time and place.  Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but some of what has been stated here, such as the comment "an overwhelming majority of fans find it unbelievable" are not speaking for the people who read and enjoy it.  I say, let be, let be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: lia on July 17, 2006, 05:13:05 am
I am trying to keep of what here seems to be called TFW (obviously taken seriously), but I would like to point out that it is generally considered very bad netiquette/manners to quote or talk about specific posts on another forum without the poster's knowledge and ability to respond. I have let Melissa know that she was quoted here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 05:16:54 am
I have posted a Note to the Readers, mostly to thank those who have participated in discussion and have left comments on "The Laramie Saga."

http://louisev.livejournal.com/74866.html  "Note to the Readers"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 17, 2006, 05:31:19 am
Quote from: louisev on July 17, 2006, 04:41:02 am

7) I also want to mention that slash fiction IS about sex fantasy.  If there were no sex or fantasy in it, it wouldn't be slash fiction.  To this end, there is humor and an entertainment element as well as mystery, drama, and angst.  I don't feel that this is outside the pale of slash fiction, nor do I owe any apologies for that.  Some themes, like the processing of grief over a secret lover, are too painful to not have some relief, and that is also part of my purpose.  I don't want to make readers cry unrelentingly or make the wounds left by BBM any deeper, and have tried to make reading these fics entertaining as well as comforting.  I would also like to say that those who have read and enjoyed the "Laramie" stories have found Ennis to be accurate, his growth to be believable and credible, and the story to be a fair assessment of conditions in that time and place.  Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but some of what has been stated here, such as the comment "an overwhelming majority of fans find it unbelievable" are not speaking for the people who read and enjoy it.  I say, let be, let be.
Yep, slash fiction IS about sex fantasy, that's a big part of writing slash. But because the Laramie Saga also has all of the above mentioned in it I enjoy reading it so very very much. As yes, the chapters that have Ennis going up to Brokeback and dealing with Jack's loss were extremely painful for me as were the one's dealing with Jack's killer but they were oh so necessary for me as well.
I love your Ennis, I find him true, real and very very believeble and my love for Ellery is overwhelming.
I am so happy I found this place that let's me openly enjoy, read and comment on these truly wonderful stories.
Thank you SO much Louise  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 05:35:11 am
hey!  You didn't go away June!  I am so happy to see you here.

It was a lively weekend of discussion and commentary, and I hope everyone knows that I am simply thrilled that people are talking about the Laramie stories because I spend a lot of time writing them!!!  I am tickled pink that people are so enthused, and I just got done replying to another long fan letter.  Perhaps it will reassure everyone here to know that I get a LOT of LJ comments, and a whole lot of fan mail, and I do not feel in the least distressed that there are people who don't like and don't read the Laramie Saga.  I write for the people who do, not for those who don't!!!

I love the pictures, the LJ comments, and sometimes even the plot suggestions (not always, but sometimes!)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 17, 2006, 06:06:43 am
Hehehe Louise, which plot suggestions didnt you like??!

It thrills me to no end to hear about the fan mail and of course I know about the LJ comments because I always read them and comment myself. You went through a really rough time Louise and I'm SO glad that's all in the past now  :)

I am in Greece! but I just can't stay away, LOL! Have to keep reading your updates! And it's SO hot out today, I'm staying out of the sun between 12 and 15:00
OT - any news of you still being in Germany in October?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 06:27:23 am
Right now it looks like I will be here to the end of October.  I wish it was longer... but it is still possible.

And very glad you can't stay away... you always leave comments, and I am very grateful for them, June.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 06:30:59 am
Quote from: pastorfred on July 16, 2006, 09:23:08 pm
Hi, Leslie!

Please feel free to copy and paste over there. I have no desire or intention of visiting that site ever again. People I care about have been hurt over there because of the irresponsibility of moderators. If I knew how to withdraw my registration from that site I would do so.

If you promise not to linger over there too long while pasting my thoughts, I promise not to growl, at least not to growl too much...  ;D

I am not going to paste this, Fred, tempted as I am. I know we have lurkers here. Hopefully they'll see your comments and think about them for a minute or two or three...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 06:38:58 am
Quote from: lia on July 17, 2006, 05:13:05 am
I am trying to keep of what here seems to be called TFW (obviously taken seriously), but I would like to point out that it is generally considered very bad netiquette/manners to quote or talk about specific posts on another forum without the poster's knowledge and ability to respond. I have let Melissa know that she was quoted here.

Thank you Lia. I have revised my post accordingly. If Melissa has concerns, I hope she'll let me know.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 17, 2006, 06:40:41 am
Quote from: louisev on July 17, 2006, 06:27:23 am
Right now it looks like I will be here to the end of October.  I wish it was longer... but it is still possible.

And very glad you can't stay away... you always leave comments, and I am very grateful for them, June.  Enjoy.
Squeeee! that's great news!!

You're very welcome Louise. Love doing it  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 07:15:57 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 16, 2006, 10:11:43 pm
In Maine?! That would explain your "frame of mind." Shrinkage!

Unfortunately, despite the miles and miles of coastline, there are no nude beaches in Maine! My skinny dipping here is limited to the river at the end of my yard. Places I have been include Davis Park, NY (Fire Island) and several "les plages naturistes" in France. One of these days I hope to get to Haulover Beach in Miami.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 07:19:37 am
Quote from: Quiplash on July 16, 2006, 09:49:36 pm
MaineWriter and notBastet kindly invited me to visit the E&E thread.  I've spent the better part of this past week reading through the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd parts of the Laramie Saga, up to yesterday. 


Hey Quip, welcome....glad to have you here. I'll offer my usual cup of coffee and piece of cherry cake, although here at E&E, muffins and ice cream pie seem to be the sweet treats on the menu.

Glad you are enjoying the Laramie Saga and glad you enjoyed Human Interest. HI was the first fanfic I read seriously (I had skimmed many others). Now the inevitable question...have you read my story, A Love Born From Steel? Links are here at Bettermost, if you haven't. There is also a discussion thread, which isn't real lively right now, since the story has concluded.

Looking forward to having you join our little family.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 17, 2006, 07:27:37 am
Leslie,

  You need not go any farther than Provincetown, Massachusetts for a nude beach.

At the end of Route 6 is Herring Cove Beach.    From the main parking lot, if you walk to the right on the beach a long ways up you'll see where the girls hang out naked.  If you walk to the left side a long ways up thats where the boys are.     As I've walked there I have noticed mixed boy/girl couples past the regular familes but before the naked guys.   The clothed families stay near the center section.   I've seen topless girls with their clothed boyfriends at the halfway point.     

  It is not an "Official" nude beach.   But it seems to be tolerated.   The National Parks Rangers often will drive right by and not say anything as long as people are behaving themselves.     But I've heard that they sometimes will stop and tell folks to get dressed.   But not when I was there!   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 07:41:11 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 17, 2006, 07:27:37 am

  It is not an "Official" nude beach.   But it seems to be tolerated.   The National Parks Rangers often will drive right by and not say anything as long as people are behaving themselves.     But I've heard that they sometimes will stop and tell folks to get dressed.   But not when I was there!   ::)

I think the general line with the NPS is that it is tolerated. That is the case on Fire Island (Davis Park, Cherry Grove, the Pines), the beach near Cape Canaveral in FL, and some in California.

One of these days I'll get to P-town. I've actually only been to the Cape once! Nice beach on Martha's Vineyard, too, I've heard. The one closest to me would have been near Newburyport, MA but is was closed to protect the piper plover habitat.

Maybe, to keep this on topic, I need to repost that picture of a skinny dipping Ellery...in fact, I will, since I know we have newcomers who might not have seen it yet.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/do.jpg)

He took a little sojurn over to another thread (they were discussing the weather) but he is back now, where he belongs. Hi El!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 17, 2006, 07:42:13 am
TFW?    I hope not!

Phillip created BetterMost as a "Safe Haven" for all BBM fans.   Sort of a nuetral country like Switzerland!   LOL.

This is where the Refugees from IMDB and other boards have fled to for comfort and safety.    Granted, there are some BetterMostians that have never entered these threads.  They are no doubt "Purists" who only want to study the book/movie.   But thats OK too.   They respect our enjoyment of the E&E saga as much as we love Ennis and Jack.     

There have been a few bruised egos and people that have left, but 99.9% of us play well together here.    As BBM told us, you either "Stand it or fix it".  And those that can't do either .. well, they retreat to their trailers and sulk until they are ready to rejoin society.     

And to quote Forest Gump...."and that's all I have to say on that subject".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 07:54:38 am
Bettermost is a safe haven, and I am willing to leave it at that.

I had momentary abberration yesterday and ventured away...as Helen said, it must have been the heat. Or maybe as with Dorothy, you need to see something else to know "there's no place like home." How very true. I am glad to be here with all you wonderful folks.

And I am eager....very eager, are you listening Louise?....for our next installment! Louise had a slight cultural break yesterday, now it is time for the writing to re-commence!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 07:56:59 am
heheheh oh sure, blame it all on me.

Unfortunately for you guys, I am jet setting in Europe doing software consulting, and today is just one of those days when I have to ... well you know... consult.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 08:00:57 am
Oh. My. God.

I have just had a revelation....I think I am the luckiest woman on this board...luckier than any of you. You guys are gonna be soooooo jealous.....


Ellery Ennis
El      En
L      N

My initials...LN. Oh my god, I am more than an E&E forever type girl, I carry them with me in my name.

So there, everyone!

LN
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 17, 2006, 08:10:08 am
LOL,  OK  "L"

I can do that too ya know!

Let's see.... Jack Nasty?  Nas-"D"   D in David?    Yeah that works.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 08:17:59 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 17, 2006, 08:10:08 am
LOL,  OK  "L"

I can do that too ya know!

Let's see.... Jack Nasty?  Nas-"D"   D in David?    Yeah that works.   :laugh:

Well, David...we have Ennis Del Mar...Del Mar...D...David

Ellery John Cantrell....um, David, I just realized...I don't know your last name! LOL

LN
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 08:31:23 am
Stats Time:

Replies: 1621
Views: 9227

With 50 more replies, we'll pass "The person below me" game.

With about 1000 more views, we'll pass "the performance."

We have about a 1:6 ratio of replies to views (1 reply for every 6 views).

We average 62 posts per day, so we should become the 4th most popular thread (replies) sometime today. We average 410 views per day, so we should become the 3rd most popular thread (views) in the next day or two.

All this in 23 days since our inception!

LN
StatsChick
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 08:34:25 am
Quote from: louisev on July 17, 2006, 04:41:02 am


2) Ellery (the O.C. love interest) is not an "openly gay law enforcement official living in Rural Wyoming."  The back story in "Taking Chances" reveals that Ellery's boss and the D.A., as well as selected veterans in the Sheriff's department, learned of his homosexuality when he was forcibly outed by his lover, who caused a disturbance in his office.  Due to the recent repeal of the Wyoming Sodomy law (1977) (the fic takes place in 1984) his status as a homosexual living with another man was found to be legal, and attempts to oust him from his job (he was a 12 year veteran by now) were unsuccessful, leading to the firing of those colleagues who refused to work with a "queer."  His status in "Taking Chances" is not "openly gay."  In addition, Ennis does not live openly with him when they move in together, but they use a "don't ask don't tell" policy with those around them, particularly on the job.  Ellery's way of answering people regarding questions of his homosexuality are that due to the sensitivity of his job it is a question he does not answer.


This is interesting, Louise, and you provide more detail here than you have in the book. Is this something that will be discussed more fully in "Shelter from the Storm"? I know you may not know the answer to that yet, but just curious if this is something that is rumbling around in your mind.

Also, Ellery's boss--I am assuming Wes--this is the first time he learned that Ellery was gay? Was Mel Ruskin the DA at that time?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 08:56:27 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 08:34:25 am
This is interesting, Louise, and you provide more detail here than you have in the book. Is this something that will be discussed more fully in "Shelter from the Storm"? I know you may not know the answer to that yet, but just curious if this is something that is rumbling around in your mind.

Also, Ellery's boss--I am assuming Wes--this is the first time he learned that Ellery was gay? Was Mel Ruskin the DA at that time?

Leslie

Hm?  Actually I thought I just put it all together in one place.  Ellery told Ennis about Bill outing him and losing his partner in his expositions about living as queer on the job.  It was Wes who defended him against the employees who revolted, and took their resignations rather than let them crucify Ellery.  And yes, Mel was the D.A. at the time (though he was not involved in this... it was a sheriff's office issue.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 09:11:48 am
Quote from: louisev on July 17, 2006, 08:56:27 am
Hm?  Actually I thought I just put it all together in one place.  Ellery told Ennis about Bill outing him and losing his partner in his expositions about living as queer on the job.  It was Wes who defended him against the employees who revolted, and took their resignations rather than let them crucify Ellery.  And yes, Mel was the D.A. at the time (though he was not involved in this... it was a sheriff's office issue.)

I don't remember this much detail. I'll have to back and look. I remember Ellery saying that Bill thought Ellery was getting it on with his (Ellery's) partner.

My other question--is this how Wes learned of Ellery's homosexuality? He didn't know before?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 09:14:42 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 09:11:48 am
I don't remember this much detail. I'll have to back and look. I remember Ellery saying that Bill thought Ellery was getting it on with his (Ellery's) partner.

My other question--is this how Wes learned of Ellery's homosexuality? He didn't know before?

L

This wasn't specifically covered in the back story but Wes did discover Ellery's homosexuality during the "outing" incident where Bill came into his office and confronted Ellery in front of his boss and colleagues, of having sex with his partner.  The partner quit, the homophobes among his colleagues called for Ellery to get fired, and Wes intervened on Ellery's behalf.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 17, 2006, 09:25:13 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 08:17:59 am
....um, David, I just realized...I don't know your last name! LOL

LN

Well, as safe as I feel here at BetterMost,  the internet is NOT.   And to protect myself against harassment, I'll keep my surname private thanks.    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 09:45:50 am
gee you know, I feel so left out.  Here I have my name plastered everywhere and I write hot gay smex stories and I just can't seem to get any harrassment at all goin.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 09:55:09 am
I guess harrassment is all in the eye of the beholder! LOL

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 17, 2006, 09:56:02 am
Quote from: pastorfred on July 16, 2006, 07:28:58 pm
Ennis Del Mar - On Death and Dying

A few years back the great medical researcher, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross wrote the book length study, On Death and Dying.

In the story canon, Ennis passed through four of the five stages of death and dying, which equally apply to grief.

1. Denial: After receiving the "deceased" stamped post card he proceeded to the pay phone, telling himself that Jack would answer the phone - had to answer the phone.

2. Anger: He wanted to curse Lureen for letting Jack die on the dirt road.

3. Bargaining: The trip to Lightning Flat, seeking the ashes and finding the shirts, was a vain attempt to make peace with the reality of Jack's death.

4. Depression: The story ends, leaving Ennis and all of us who care about him, in a state of deep depression over the devastating loss of the love of his life.

The Laramie Saga is the story of Ennis moving into the final stage of grief:

5. Acceptance: In every way Ellery helps Ennis deal with his grief, honoring the love he and Jack shared, and moving into a new love and life.

Ennis and Jack are real archetypes of men who love each other, and so our grief over Jack's death is real. People have to move through the stages of grief at our own rate, in our own time. Those who are still in one of the first four stages of grief as above very much want dear Ennis to stay there to keep them company. The stages of grief are fluid, and we move back and forth among them.

For those who are emotionally hurt by the wars at that other site, I have the following words of advice: Stay out of there (*growl*).


Fred, I want to thank you for your great analysis.  I have copied it. (Leslie taught me how to do it!)  Ennis goes to Laramie to see if he can work through his acceptance of Jack's death, and that is what Taking Chances is all about, along with Finding Answers.  Then, concomitantly, he is attracted to Ellery, and vice versa, Ellery to him.  The process of the developing love is interwoven with his acceptance of Jack's death and his relationship with Ellery. Jack is not slighted or forgotten but his death is accepted.  Ennis then can explore the implications of his new love with Ellery.  This development is totally in line with his character as shown in the Short story and the movie.
Fred, what are your thoughts on the developing love of the two men?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 17, 2006, 10:36:54 am
Quote from: Helen on July 16, 2006, 01:16:45 pm
It's 35degrees here, and since the UK hasn't yet fully grasped the concept of aircon it is too hot to even think!

You're telling me. I've escaped the heat in this (non airconditioned) internet cafe.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 17, 2006, 10:40:40 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 16, 2006, 03:35:33 pm
Holy Moly!

Will someone give me a big hard dopeslap right now? SHIT! For some unknown reason, I decided to wade into the murky waters of (the other place) and have spent the last I don't know how many hours fighting the good fight to preserve the honor of Ennis and Ellery. Jeez. WHAT WAS I THINKING? Anyway, I know I have converted anyone over there but at least I managed to come out still looking like I have half a brain. PHEW!

I was actually told to "go to the Ennis and Ellery fansite." Oh brother.

And then I come here and we are happy and talking about ice cream and the weather. THANK GOD SOMEBODY HAS THEIR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT! LOL

For me: Ennis is Chunky Monkey; Ellery is Cherry Garcia. Of course I have to pick Ben & Jerry's flavors, I live in New England!

Leslie

Welcome to the club Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 10:48:13 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 17, 2006, 10:40:40 am
Welcome to the club Leslie!

I am still chuckling over the fact that I was told to go to the Ennis and Ellery fansite, given that I started this thread! Like, DUH!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 17, 2006, 11:12:33 am
Quote from: scudder on July 17, 2006, 09:56:02 am
Fred, what are your thoughts on the developing love of the two men?

Like Brokeback Mountain itself, I find the developing love relationship between Ennis and Ellery to be one of the most beautiful love stories I've ever read. It is a sign of unspeakable bigotry to say that love between two human beings of the same sex is less valuable than love between any other human beings. Because Ennis and Ellery are homosexual in orientation, their love can be expressed sexually. They have very little gratuitous sex, burned biscuits notwithstanding; almost every part of every sexual encounter is a powerful expression of deep love.

The relationship of Jack to the story of Ennis and Ellery is very important. That Ennis loved one and only one man for twenty years is one of the reasons Ellery fell in love with him. That Ellery respected, honored, and even revered the love between Ennis and Jack is one of the reasons that Ennis fell in love with him. The developing love relationship between Ennis and Ellery is a tribute to the love between Ennis and Jack. With Jack Ennis's heart was opened. Without Jack there would have been no way for Ellery to enter Ennis's heart.

A deep mutuality of love and respect is growing between Ennis and Ellery. As Ellery helped Ennis with his grief over Jack's death, so Ennis helped Ellery come to terms with his grief over the end of his relationship with Beagle. The opportunity for healing and growth that the love of Ennis and Ellery gives to each of them makes it a shelter from every storm that batters them in the cruel world. Whatever happens, they know that they can come home to a safe place with each other. There is nothing in the world more valuable than that kind of shelter in the storm.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 17, 2006, 11:20:55 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 08:00:57 am
My initials...LN. Oh my god, I am more than an E&E forever type girl, I carry them with me in my name.

So there, everyone!

LN


Well, I have five letters in my name, four of which are also in Ellery's name.  That equals - 80%.... so let's see, does that mean Ellery's got me with him 80% of the time?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 17, 2006, 11:49:25 am
I agree with your comments completely, PastorFred.  It will be interesting to see how their love gains depth and stability!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 17, 2006, 12:25:16 pm
Doesn't anybody like Yogurt? or Sorbet?

Key Lime is a favorite of mine,
  As also is zesty lemon sorbet!

Vanilla yogurt is a favorite too!
 
So I quess I would have been a little tart like Leon if I had had the chance.  Gee, it would have been fun, I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 12:35:22 pm
scudder I am giggling like a schoolgirl over your last comment.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 17, 2006, 12:50:46 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 17, 2006, 11:12:33 am
Like Brokeback Mountain itself, I find the developing love relationship between Ennis and Ellery to be one of the most beautiful love stories I've ever read. It is a sign of unspeakable bigotry to say that love between two human beings of the same sex is less valuable than love between any other human beings. Because Ennis and Ellery are homosexual in orientation, their love can be expressed sexually. They have very little gratuitous sex, burned biscuits notwithstanding; almost every part of every sexual encounter is a powerful expression of deep love.

The relationship of Jack to the story of Ennis and Ellery is very important. That Ennis loved one and only one man for twenty years is one of the reasons Ellery fell in love with him. That Ellery respected, honored, and even revered the love between Ennis and Jack is one of the reasons that Ennis fell in love with him. The developing love relationship between Ennis and Ellery is a tribute to the love between Ennis and Jack. With Jack Ennis's heart was opened. Without Jack there would have been no way for Ellery to enter Ennis's heart.

A deep mutuality of love and respect is growing between Ennis and Ellery. As Ellery helped Ennis with his grief over Jack's death, so Ennis helped Ellery come to terms with his grief over the end of his relationship with Beagle. The opportunity for healing and growth that the love of Ennis and Ellery gives to each of them makes it a shelter from every storm that batters them in the cruel world. Whatever happens, they know that they can come home to a safe place with each other. There is nothing in the world more valuable than that kind of shelter in the storm.

PastorFred you have hit the nail on the head. After all the sturm und drang of BBM Ellery and Ennis are in a safe harbour together. That has been immensely comforting to me. Ellery makes Ennis feel safe.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 12:54:11 pm
eh, Fred just stole the main themes from my unwritten 4th book.

For anyone who cares to, I am idling in chat as I write.  I write best when I have people to chat with.  Believe it, or not.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 17, 2006, 01:06:35 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 17, 2006, 12:25:16 pm
Doesn't anybody like Yogurt? or Sorbet?


I like both, although I am still drooling over the chocolate peanut-butter Ellery pie from yesterday!
Yum!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 17, 2006, 01:49:57 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 17, 2006, 12:50:46 pm
PastorFred you have hit the nail on the head. After all the sturm und drang of BBM Ellery and Ennis are in a safe harbour together. That has been immensely comforting to me. Ellery makes Ennis feel safe.

Sounds kinda wacky perhaps, but Ellery makes me feel safe too... (that's why I almost came undone over all the Beagle hijinks!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 02:06:55 pm
Update to "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75187.html  "Chapter 94:  Tips"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lynne on July 17, 2006, 02:07:13 pm
Louise posted a comment about her intentions to continue the Laramie Saga with a fourth installment at LiveJournal that I just saw.  She mentions appreciation for those who support her view of Ennis continuing his life after Jack's death and why the sort of resolution that Ennis & Ellery offer us is important to so many of us affected/devastated by Brokeback Mountain.

Because I am one of the world's worst about not posting regular support and encouragement for the fan fiction writers I read (out of sheer laziness, I confess), I thought I would mention here a few reasons why I find E&E (and other fan fictions) healing and how I have come to my personal resolution that it is OK for Ennis to have a happily-ever-after.

It goes without saying that Annie Proulx and McMurtry/Ossama/Lee leave us with an open-ended story.  The last we see of movieEnnis, he is tearful, looking at his shrine of bloodied shirts, and making an indeterminate vow to Jack.  The last we read of storyEnnis, he is acknowledging the difference between what he wishes to be true and what he truly believes about Jack's death...again ambiguity.

Good arguments can be made for several interpretations of the final scenes, but ultimately, it's for each of us to arrive at our own understanding.  That's why I love the Annie Proulx quote about 'finishing the story' in our own lives - she left us that opportunity, gave us that gift, essentially, to move past the fate of her Jack and Ennis and decide how we want our own lives to honor their lives and their sacrifices.  (If this sounds as if I see Jack and Ennis as real people, good, because I do...they inhabit 'everyperson' to me).

FanFiction Jack and Ennis have their kernels, to either a greater or lesser degree, in the story or the movie, but beyond those kernels, they belong to the FanFiction writers.  I absolutely believe that it is appropriate for us to imagine how life might go on for Ennis after the devastation of losing Jack.  For me, it is also good and healing to consider different points in the story where their lives could have taken a different turn - those 'if only's' that writers like Leslie have given us with Jack and Ennis eventually achieving their sweet life together.

The point is for all of us to 'finish the story' in whatever way we can and using whatever tools are available to us - forums, friendships, fan fiction, activism.  You don't have to look any further than the variety of posts at BetterMost to see a long list of ways people are working hard toward the end of finding contentment and love in their own lives - within themselves, with partners or with greater society.

So, I applaud Louise for continuing the Laramie Saga.  Your fans appreciate your efforts, truly.

And if fan fiction is not your cup of coffee, if it doesn't speak to you, or if it outright annoys/enrages you, that's OK too.  It is only one of a multitude of ways of keeping Jack and Ennis alive in your hearts.  That is my personal goal - I want them to live forever in my heart, however I can achieve that.

With gratitude and humility,
-Lynne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 17, 2006, 02:09:34 pm
Quote from: Lynne on July 17, 2006, 02:07:13 pm

So, I applaud Louise for continuing the Laramie Saga.  Your fans appreciate your efforts, truly.


AMEN!!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 17, 2006, 02:53:09 pm
Quote from: Lynne on July 17, 2006, 02:07:13 pm
Louise posted a comment about her intentions to continue the Laramie Saga with a fourth installment at LiveJournal that I just saw.  She mentions appreciation for those who support her view of Ennis continuing his life after Jack's death and why the sort of resolution that Ennis & Ellery offer us is important to so many of us affected/devastated by Brokeback Mountain.

Because I am one of the world's worst about not posting regular support and encouragement for the fan fiction writers I read (out of sheer laziness, I confess), I thought I would mention here a few reasons why I find E&E (and other fan fictions) healing and how I have come to my personal resolution that it is OK for Ennis to have a happily-ever-after.

...


Lynne, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us.  I especially loved where you described Annie's ambiguity as a gift...
I have never heard it described that way, but you are so very right...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 03:27:13 pm
The final chapter of "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75431.html  "Chapter 95:  A Lead"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 17, 2006, 03:47:59 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 17, 2006, 03:27:13 pm
The final chapter of "A Second Chance"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75431.html  "Chapter 95:  A Lead"

SPOILER

Louise my heart in is my mouth now. I can hardly stand the suspense. Poor Ennis. I can just picture Ellerys face drained of colour when he heard that the door had been forced. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 04:20:57 pm
So we have a cliffhanger ending, Louise says she is in the chat but the banner is gone so we cant't get into the chat...sort of like the back door being forced. Where is Louise? Where is Ennis? Where is the first chapter of the next book?

Yikes!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2006, 04:31:47 pm
go to the first page of the Chat Audition thread.
at the bottom is the link.  we are in there chatting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Phillip Dampier on July 17, 2006, 05:11:30 pm
Click here to enter the BetterMost Chat System.  You'll need to change rooms (there is a tab on the upper right) to find the Fan Fiction room. (http://bettermost.net/forum/chat2/chat.php)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 17, 2006, 06:52:29 pm
When will you have the first chapter posted up in livejournal??
AS I may never find any such link trying to wade throught the 'chat audition' whatever whereever.

I supposedly got into the fanfiction room, but never found any link or any idea of how to go about finding it???   I can chat, but don't see any "pages" and NO LINKS to anything--so exacty where are we supposed to be able to find that link to the first chapter-----and again---WHEN do you put it up in Livejournal so I can read it????
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 17, 2006, 08:46:46 pm
It's after midnight in Germany and close to 2am if I remember correctly, so I don't think they'll be any more chapters posted until tomorrow.

The thread is awfully quiet tonight... everyone must be fraught with worry about Ennis.

Well, I blabbity-blabbed my opinion all over chat today, so I'll share it here as well.  Feel free to contradict with your own questions/concerns.

Warning: Spoilers to previously published chapters, and I've no inside info, so this is all conjecture...

What do we know?  We know Jim and Will were killed by guns point blank.  We know Will was not beaten or traumatized before death, because there were no bruises or other signs of torture on him.  We know that the entry to Ellery's house was forced.  There was no mention of blood (doesn't mean it's not there, but I think Wes would have said something).  In my mind the bad guys are doing one of two things by taking Ennis... they are taking him to 1) kill him, or 2) lure Ellery.  As they seem to kill by shooting, they could have killed him in the house.  As far as we know, there are no signs of this in the house.  The time frame has only been a couple of hours, so they couldn't have killed him and cleaned it up that quickly IMHO.  Plus, obviously Ennis is going to have a role in Book 4, so he can't die.  That leaves 2) they are taking Ennis to bait Ellery.  Now, they could beat and torture him while the wait for Ellery, but I don't think they will, as long as Ennis behaves.  I don't think they will beat him because they didn't beat Will.  Fred reminded me that Ennis behaved in a reasonably level headed fashion when confronted by Worrell, so I think he will be levelheaded in this circumstance as well.  (He has not done anything crazy or stupid of late at the bar, or in regards to the Beagle business... so we know he can control himself.)  So I don't think he will struggle/fight/try to escape until he knows he can be successful.  Now, of course he could still get injured in the big shootout or whatever happens when the entire police department finds him.  And it is going to be the entire police department looking for him, not just Ellery.  Now, perhaps I am being overly optimistic, as crime is not always logical, and all my musings are purely conjecture.

Too bad I'm not a neuron in Louise's brain right now...

(Please don't think I'm being callous, I'm as devastated and worried about Ennis as Ellery is, it calms me to try and think in logical steps, like I did above.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 08:53:13 pm
Ranchgal,

We are all waiting with bated breath. In the chat, Louise said that she doesn't know what has happened to Ennis. However, she knows we are all waiting anxiously..so let's just hope that Chapter One of "Shelter From The Storm" is forthcoming shortly.

I think we should all keep our

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/fingerscrossed.gif)


or perhaps, call on

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/oly1.jpg)

to pray to

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/sunset.jpg)

to bring

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/200614_166503_4_006.jpg)

home safe and sound to

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman1.jpg)

in the little home they share together

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0500403.jpg)

When Ennis is home, safe and sound (soon, we hope!) they will be able to eat

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/chunky_monkey_lg.gif)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/cherry_garcia_lg.gif)

and play with

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/t-tpc-1084.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tsupansm.jpg)

and maybe even with

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Maiden.gif)


And when they get to that point, life will be nothing but

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Bowl20of20Cherries.jpg)

This story brought to you by

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/heathledger-1.jpg)

who in real life looks like this

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Pickup18.jpg)








Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on July 17, 2006, 09:06:55 pm
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Les!  You're killing me...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 17, 2006, 09:11:05 pm
Whoa, Leslie! You are in rare form tonight! Thanks so much for the slide show; it gave me a much-needed laugh out loud amidst all the sturm and drang of late. (Still more going on at DC too. What's up with that -- is it the heat? It's always been a place of refuge for me, just like here.)

Love the car, by the way. Now that my daughter needs my car for herself, I'm shopping for a convertible myself. (What midlife crisis? This is too much fun!)

Ice cream for everyone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 09:17:52 pm
Quote from: DeeDee on July 17, 2006, 09:06:55 pm
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Les!  You're killing me...

Dee, babe, my goal in life....  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 09:23:14 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 17, 2006, 09:11:05 pm
Whoa, Leslie! You are in rare form tonight! Thanks so much for the slide show; it gave me a much-needed laugh out loud amidst all the sturm and drang of late. (Still more going on at DC too. What's up with that -- is it the heat? It's always been a place of refuge for me, just like here.)

Love the car, by the way. Now that my daughter needs my car for herself, I'm shopping for a convertible myself. (What midlife crisis? This is too much fun!)

Ice cream for everyone!

That picture was taken on August 3, 2005 in front of the ANA Saab Dealership in Trollahatten, Sweden. We picked up the car there, toured Norway and Sweden for two weeks, then flew home on August 16.

Norway is beautiful, the people are friendly and everyone speaks English. The downside? Everything costs a fortune. That car, which costs me $35 to fill up here at home, cost close to $90 to fill up in Norway. A box o wine ($11.99 here) cost $30. Drive through a tunnel and they hit you with a $8 toll. Drive over a bridge and it costs $15.

Even so...I wouldn't change a minute of our trip. We had a great time.

Betty...go for the convertible. It is worth it!

Now back to our regularly scheduled E&E discussion.....

LN
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 17, 2006, 09:29:16 pm
I didn't read the latest chapters yet ...  :o
yap ...and I am freaked now coz I see that something has happened to Ennis!  ???

Well, time for supper and catching up for me!

Yum!  More pix of ice-cream!  I better get some tomorrow!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 17, 2006, 09:44:56 pm
 :laugh:

OMG---great slideshow of pictures---just like storytime!! LOL
Loving it!
Thanks for picturing me through my hysteria, now I am okay again--and like you just waiting NOT patiently! LOL

Thanks ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 17, 2006, 09:50:01 pm
Went grocery shopping today. Saw a pint of Haagen Daaz CPB Ellery that called my name. Had to resist! I've lost 30 pounds on the BBM Diet and I can't go back now. I'll just dream of it tonight instead. *SIGH*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 17, 2006, 10:14:58 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 17, 2006, 09:50:01 pm
Went grocery shopping today. Saw a pint of Haagen Daaz CPB Ellery that called my name. Had to resist! I've lost 30 pounds on the BBM Diet and I can't go back now. I'll just dream of it tonight instead. *SIGH*

Well, neatfreak, if you absolutely can not have a 'real' CPB Ellery cone, at least have a cyber one?  Hmm?  :)

(http://franchisee.coldstonecreamery.com/images/upload/PeanutButter.gif)

Enjoy!

(Note: Licking the computer monitor can have hasardous side effects... ;D)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 17, 2006, 10:18:44 pm
My son just called up from downstairs, "What's so funny?"

"Oh, nothing..."  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 17, 2006, 10:21:27 pm
SPOILER ....






Ellery is gonna go out of his fuckin' mind!!    :'(
They better not hurt Ennis, he was already hurting from effin' Leon's attack the night before.  Now this!  :(

I feel so ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/92b23b92.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 17, 2006, 10:23:45 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 17, 2006, 10:18:44 pm
My son just called up from downstairs, "What's so funny?"

"Oh, nothing..."  :laugh:

Just to be clear, I wouldn't know anything about licking computer monitors either!
I have never tried to lick any of Jake's pix over at the Jake jake jake thread.
I wouldn't know anything about that! I swear!

 :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 17, 2006, 10:28:01 pm
SPOILER ALERT




I think this is going to be Ellery's moment to shine. I love it when he takes charge! Shoot, I love it when either one of them takes charge. Makes it easy to enjoy the story, doesn't it? Louise keeps it coming... so to speak.

Edit: typo. I can't leave 'em alone.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 17, 2006, 10:33:13 pm
Right you are neatfreak! 

Louise definitely keeps us cucoming back for more!
I can't wait for Book 4 of the Laramie Saga!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 17, 2006, 11:22:37 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 17, 2006, 12:50:46 pm
Ellery makes Ennis feel safe.
Oh, this is such a perfect little sentence!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 17, 2006, 11:24:30 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 17, 2006, 08:46:46 pm

The thread is awfully quiet tonight... everyone must be fraught with worry about Ennis.


I haven't read the last two chapters yet...I'm almost too scared to... :( :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 17, 2006, 11:35:12 pm
IT isn't the last two---it is the next two?? that are scarey!! NO LIE!
somewhere between yyyyeeeewwww!!!  and AAAAUUUGGGGG!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 12:06:57 am
Quote from: pastorfred on July 17, 2006, 11:12:33 am
Like Brokeback Mountain itself, I find the developing love relationship between Ennis and Ellery to be one of the most beautiful love stories I've ever read. It is a sign of unspeakable bigotry to say that love between two human beings of the same sex is less valuable than love between any other human beings. Because Ennis and Ellery are homosexual in orientation, their love can be expressed sexually. They have very little gratuitous sex, burned biscuits notwithstanding; almost every part of every sexual encounter is a powerful expression of deep love.

The relationship of Jack to the story of Ennis and Ellery is very important. That Ennis loved one and only one man for twenty years is one of the reasons Ellery fell in love with him. That Ellery respected, honored, and even revered the love between Ennis and Jack is one of the reasons that Ennis fell in love with him. The developing love relationship between Ennis and Ellery is a tribute to the love between Ennis and Jack. With Jack Ennis's heart was opened. Without Jack there would have been no way for Ellery to enter Ennis's heart.

A deep mutuality of love and respect is growing between Ennis and Ellery. As Ellery helped Ennis with his grief over Jack's death, so Ennis helped Ellery come to terms with his grief over the end of his relationship with Beagle. The opportunity for healing and growth that the love of Ennis and Ellery gives to each of them makes it a shelter from every storm that batters them in the cruel world. Whatever happens, they know that they can come home to a safe place with each other. There is nothing in the world more valuable than that kind of shelter in the storm.

Oooh that was beautiful Pastor Fred!  Thank you for your insights. 

"Whatever happens, they know that they can come home to a safe place with each other."
Well, that WAS true until Ennis was kidnapped! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 12:09:11 am
Leslie, the picture story was fantastic.  

mild spoiling ahead...




It is almost bedtime for me, hopefully I will wake up to find Ennis safe and sound, gettin' fancy with Ellery.  (somehow medoubts that can all be accomplished in one or two chapters, but Louise can work miracles)

I also think this will be Ellery's moment to shine.   I might go reread that last chapter, just so I'm properly primed for tomorrow morning (let's hope Louise has an easy day at work!)...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 12:12:33 am
Spoiler ahead...

Quote from: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 12:06:57 am
Oooh that was beautiful Pastor Fred!  Thank you for your insights. 

"Whatever happens, they know that they can come home to a safe place with each other."
Well, that WAS true until Ennis was kidnapped! 

(emphasis added.)

You know, maybe they should move... maybe the house is jinxed... getting shot at, getting kidnapped....

Still, I have faith they will be safe together again!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 12:36:22 am
Quote from: Phillip on July 17, 2006, 05:11:30 pm
Click here to enter the BetterMost Chat System.  You'll need to change rooms (there is a tab on the upper right) to find the Fan Fiction room. (http://bettermost.net/forum/chat2/chat.php)
Thanks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 18, 2006, 02:51:42 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 17, 2006, 09:23:14 pm
Norway is beautiful, the people are friendly and everyone speaks English. The downside? Everything costs a fortune...<snip>... That car, which costs me $35 to fill up here at home, cost close to $90 to fill up in Norway.

I've always fancied going to Norway :)  I was reading a bit about it, and the reason that everything is so expensive is that everyone gets paid a decent wage there, so that adds considerably to the cost of things.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 03:30:46 am
Quote from: ranchgal on July 17, 2006, 06:52:29 pm
When will you have the first chapter posted up in livejournal??
AS I may never find any such link trying to wade throught the 'chat audition' whatever whereever.

I supposedly got into the fanfiction room, but never found any link or any idea of how to go about finding it???   I can chat, but don't see any "pages" and NO LINKS to anything--so exacty where are we supposed to be able to find that link to the first chapter-----and again---WHEN do you put it up in Livejournal so I can read it????

Ranchgal I always post links here when I write the chapters, as well as on davecullen.com.  The chat is just for ... you know - chat.  So far I have not written the first chapter of the new book... because the plot is still gelling in my brain.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 03:46:46 am
Oh for goodness sake everybody, read the description of the new book:

The new book in the series is tentatively titled  "Shelter from the Storm'" and will chronicle Ennis and Ellery's experiences as they deepen their commitment to one another in an increasingly hostile environment of fear surrounding the spread of the AIDS epidemic and its impact upon the life and community of  the Red Stallion, and a crime wave of attacks against homosexuals.

Ennis ain't goin far!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 04:24:08 am
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 03:46:46 am
Oh for goodness sake everybody, read the description of the new book:

The new book in the series is tentatively titled  "Shelter from the Storm'" and will chronicle Ennis and Ellery's experiences as they deepen their commitment to one another in an increasingly hostile environment of fear surrounding the spread of the AIDS epidemic and its impact upon the life and community of  the Red Stallion, and a crime wave of attacks against homosexuals.

Ennis ain't goin far!!!
LOL!! Hehehehe
Whew Louise...  :)
Any idea when we can expect the first chapter??  ;D :-*
Just wondering........  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 04:27:30 am
Quote from: Lynne on July 17, 2006, 02:07:13 pm
Louise posted a comment about her intentions to continue the Laramie Saga with a fourth installment at LiveJournal that I just saw.  She mentions appreciation for those who support her view of Ennis continuing his life after Jack's death and why the sort of resolution that Ennis & Ellery offer us is important to so many of us affected/devastated by Brokeback Mountain.

Thank you for your note of support and positive commentary, Lynne.  I appreciate it, and I know that the E & E fans here appreciate it tremendously as well.  Over the past couple of weeks, and particularly during the past four or five days, I have been literally flooded with comments, messages, and fan mail from folks who have read and appreciate the Laramie Saga, and I am sure it greatly reassures these readers, in an atmosphere of controversy, that there is a place where there will continue to be a philosophical support for the idea of "moving on" past the tragedy of Brokeback Mountain, and that there is still a place where open discussion of these ideas, and fiction that dramatizes them, can be freely and openyl discussed without fear of criticism.

I know I need it, and I have heard from many many others, who do!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 04:28:30 am
Quote from: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 04:24:08 am
LOL!! Hehehehe
Whew Louise...  :)
Any idea when we can expect the first chapter??  ;D :-*
Just wondering........  ;)

yes.  When I get this dad-blamed software to work!  (Several hours at least my dear.  Sorry... for some awful reason people expect me to WORK today.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 04:40:21 am
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 04:28:30 am
yes.  When I get this dad-blamed software to work!  (Several hours at least my dear.  Sorry... for some awful reason people expect me to WORK today.)
Hahaha, how dare they eh Louise?? LOL!

Several hours only?? I'm amazed! that sounds really good! I probably won't get around to reading till much later anyway.

Squeeeeeee!!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 05:46:49 am
I know, I know.  And all the time I am setting flags and pushing valules I am thinking to myself... what about Ennis?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 18, 2006, 05:50:55 am
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 04:28:30 am
yes.  When I get this dad-blamed software to work!  (Several hours at least my dear.  Sorry... for some awful reason people expect me to WORK today.)

Throw a sicky Louise... Ennis and Ellery are FAR more important than work... ;)  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 07:11:53 am
As Heath worries about Ennis, this is how he is feeling this morning, as am I....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/heath.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 18, 2006, 07:37:06 am
"Damn Leon!  He Hit me with a bottle!"

(http://static.flickr.com/52/166476858_9e2daf9ef5.jpg?v=0)


Holy Smokes!   I just realized I missed the last chapter!    Now I know what y'all are in an uproar over!   YIKES!    The plot thickens!    Now when do we get Volume IV, chapter 1 ??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 07:43:41 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 18, 2006, 07:37:06 am

Holy Smokes!   I just realized I missed the last chapter!    Now I know what y'all are in an uproar over!   YIKES!    The plot thickens!    Now when do we get Volume IV, chapter 1 ??

Gee, David, that new car has really addled your brain, hasn't it? LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 08:12:30 am
That pic is SO gorgeous Leslie!! WOW!    :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 08:15:22 am
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 05:46:49 am
I know, I know.  And all the time I am setting flags and pushing valules I am thinking to myself... what about Ennis?
Oh goody Louise! Ennis and Ellery should be on your mind 24/7 hehehe   ;)
I've been going nuts wondering about poor Ennis...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 08:22:31 am
Quote from: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 08:12:30 am
That pic is SO gorgeous Leslie!! WOW!    :)

Isn't it? Took me a while to get it on the computer...I have not been able to find it on the Internet. See the Heath Heath Heath thread for more details...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 08:39:01 am
Something new for the gallery. Ellery has been handing out a lot of these lately, so I thought we'd all like to see his business card.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 18, 2006, 08:47:55 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 08:39:01 am
Something new for the gallery. Ellery has been handing out a lot of these lately, so I thought we'd all like to see his business card.
Very nice business card, Leslie! Thanks for the entertainment value to keep us sane.

Well, relatively sane, anyway...  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 09:36:10 am
It ain't getting better as the day goes on...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Worried.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 09:37:42 am
Google tells me this is "a character study of frantic sheep." You decide...Ennis's old friends are worried about him too.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/missystudy1_72.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 09:41:38 am
And with this, we have passed "The Person Below Me Game" and this thread is now 4th in both most replies and most views. We need a few more pithy posts to firmly establish our lead in replies...get to work, people. We'll hit 3rd most viewed in no time, and the performance people have actually made that easier for us, since they've divided that thread in two: the performance and the critique. So....

Talk, people, talk! Post!! We will also hit 1700 in a matter of posts, too. Lucise, are you planning a banner for us?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 09:46:05 am
ah hahahahaha! I just spent the last hour and a half reviewing our development standards and naming conventions.  All this time Ennis is missing in action and nobody knows where he is, and there ain't nothin I can do about it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 10:30:51 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 09:41:38 am
Talk, people, talk! Post!!

Nobody's talkin' 'cause we're all too busy hitting the same key:

:: refresh ::
:: refresh ::
:: refresh ::
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 10:40:51 am
I am not always a patient person (yes, sometimes I am)... anyhow right now I like to think about Ellery whipping the sheriff's department into action...a flurry of activity and posting of APBs as everyone looks for Ennis.  I'm confident they'll find him soon... positive thoughts people, positive thoughts.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 10:42:49 am
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 09:46:05 am
  All this time Ennis is missing in action and nobody knows where he is, and there ain't nothin I can do about it.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 10:44:42 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 08:39:01 am
Something new for the gallery. Ellery has been handing out a lot of these lately, so I thought we'd all like to see his business card.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)



I was just looking at that business card and thinking how simple it is. A name, phone number, address. No fax, no cell phone number, no email address, no webpage, no AIM, no ICQ, no MSN...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 10:45:32 am
gee guys, sorry... it wasn't my idea for me to have a full day of silly crappy work to do, and it is about 96 degrees here (no, Germans don't believe in air conditioning) and I am on the fourth floor of the software center, and yeah, I sure would rather be writing "Shelter from the Storm" but for those who are hitting the fresh button, I do not expect an update before post-lunch Eastern time.

You will see me online in chat before that occurs.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 18, 2006, 10:46:12 am
(Jenny crossing finger hoping there will be some updates on the where about of Ennis today)

Regardless my personal feelings of what happened to Ennis, that was a great ending for Volumn III.  

Louise, if you are still working, just keep in mind that we won't be very productive until you tell us what happened to Ennis.  Poor Ellery is sick worrying now.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 10:49:40 am
Quote from: JennyC on July 18, 2006, 10:46:12 am
(Jenny crossing finger hoping there will be some updates on the where about of Ennis today)

Regardless my personal feelings of what happened to Ennis, that was a great ending for Volumn III. 

Louise, if you are still working, just keep in mind that we won't be very productive until you tell us what happened to Ennis.  Poor Ellery is sick worrying now.



LOL, are you ever right, Jenny! It is 11 am and I have done squat. No wait, I designed a business card!

As for the weather, Louise, I think it is hot everywhere. The headline in the paper this morning said, "IT'S A BLAST FURNACE OUT THERE." Of course, the high in Portland yesterday was 83. I have to laugh at what they call a blast furnance. It is hotter today, though. Already up to 90.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 18, 2006, 11:02:40 am
Fear not,  Ennis is a big strong guy.   Most likely he'll escape and overtake the kidnappers, then drag them under his arms to the sheriffs dept.!   LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 11:04:42 am
We will wait patiently while Louise is setting flags, pushing values, reviewing development standards and naming conventions.* So, while we wait, can we figure out where everyone is?

Louisev: Somewhere, Germany (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (Time zone?)


*??? I have no idea.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:08:37 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 11:04:42 am
We will wait patiently while Louise is setting flags, pushing values, reviewing development standards and naming conventions.* So, while we wait, can we figure out where everyone is?

Louisev: Somewhere, Germany (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)

*??? I have no idea.

Louise is on Central European Time, 6 hours ahead of EDT. So right now it is 5:11 pm for her. SHE SHOULD BE GETTING OUT OF WORK ANY MINUTE NOW!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 11:11:29 am
Locations update:

Louisev: Somewhere, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (Time zone?)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (MDT?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:13:05 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 11:04:42 am
We will wait patiently while Louise is setting flags, pushing values, reviewing development standards and naming conventions.* So, while we wait, can we figure out where everyone is?

Louisev: Somewhere, Germany (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (Time zone?)


*??? I have no idea.

Totally off topic, Neatfreak...since you are in Indianapolis, may I suggest a visit to the International Honor Society of Nursing Headquarters at 550 West North Street (down the street from the hospital and across the street from the Madame Walker Theater). Up on the second floor, in the library, are 17 mahogany "pillars of knowledge" which my husband made. They are very beautiful. Just a little FYI.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:15:41 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 18, 2006, 11:02:40 am
Fear not,  Ennis is a big strong guy.   Most likely he'll escape and overtake the kidnappers, then drag them under his arms to the sheriffs dept.!   LOL

Are they kidnappers or abductors? I wonder what the technical difference between kidnapping and abduction is, anyway....Ellery, enlighten us, please?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 11:16:25 am
Sounds like a field trip to me, Leslie!

Locations update:

Louisev: Somewhere, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (Time zone?)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (MDT?)
Lucise:  (city?) Alberta, Canada (Time zone?)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (Time zone?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 11:18:51 am
Well ya see, kidnapping and abduction are actually... exactly the same thing.  An fer that pearl a wisdom, missy, you owe me one pumpkin walnut muffin.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:27:02 am
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 11:18:51 am
Well ya see, kidnapping and abduction are actually... exactly the same thing.  An fer that pearl a wisdom, missy, you owe me one pumpkin walnut muffin.

Oh, have a dozen. Share some with the software development team, tell them what you do in your free time  ;)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/49456464_32328d9d3b_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:39:35 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 11:16:25 am
Sounds like a field trip to me, Leslie!

Locations update:

Louisev: Somewhere, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (Time zone?)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (MDT?)
Lucise:  (city?) Alberta, Canada (Time zone?)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (Time zone?)

Lucise is in Edmonton and I believe Fred said that where he is in Idaho is on Pacific Daylight Time.

JennyC is near SF, also PDT. Louise is actually in Saarland, Germany.

LoveEmBoys (Monica) is in Colorado (MDT), and notBastet (Kelly) is in North Carolina (EDT). Helen is in the UK, but will be traveling for quite a few weeks in the US, leaving in a week or two.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 11:47:21 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:15:41 am
Are they kidnappers or abductors? I wonder what the technical difference between kidnapping and abduction is, anyway....Ellery, enlighten us, please?

Really, Leslie, you must be bored.

BTW, neatfreak, I am in North Carolina. same time zone as Leslie and David

Edited to add: Oops, I see Leslie already covered that for me. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 11:48:18 am
Okay you crazy fans.

Chapter 1 of Shelter From the Storm

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75525.html  "Chapter 1:  Break-In"

NOW I'm going home from work!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 11:49:27 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:27:02 am
Oh, have a dozen. Share some with the software development team, tell them what you do in your free time  ;)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/49456464_32328d9d3b_m.jpg)


Those look like corn muffins to me!  My pumpkin walnuts were more brown/tan in color... and there were walnuts on top.
lol. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 11:50:58 am
Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (Time zone?)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (Time zone?)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarland, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (Time zone?)


Now off to read!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 11:53:29 am
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 11:48:18 am
http://louisev.livejournal.com/75525.html  "Chapter 1:  Break-In"

(**livejournal crashes as too many people across the world try to read simulataneously**)

no one fear.... I was just joking.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:55:07 am
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 11:48:18 am
Okay you crazy fans.

Chapter 1 of Shelter From the Storm

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75525.html  "Chapter 1:  Break-In"

NOW I'm going home from work!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hallelujah.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 11:58:01 am
SPOILER:






Yeah! Ennis is out of the truck and away from the kidnappers!

Back to reading.. just needed a quick celebration...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 11:59:35 am
SPOILER:




... and apparently Louise prefers to call them abductors, not kidnappers...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 12:03:09 pm
Spoiler? Maybe:




Whew! Ennis and I need a nice cold lemonade after that!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 12:04:18 pm
SPOILER:





Go Ennis, go Ennis....  nB says in her best cheerleader interpretation.

Ellery is going to pass out from relief.  Oh wait, that's something I would do, not Ellery.

And who knows, Nellie may have a prominent role just yet...  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 12:08:54 pm
As a way to calm down from this excitement, we will have a brief legal lesson. Everyone, pay attention!

Kidnapping, a word derived from kid = 'child' and nap(nab) = 'snatch', recorded since 1673, originally meant stealing children for use as servants or laborers in the American colonies. It has come to mean any illegal capture or detention of persons against their will, regardless of age, as for ransom; since 1768 the term abduction was also used in this sense.

In the terminology of the common law in many jurisdictions (according to Black's Law Dictionary), the crime of kidnapping is labelled abduction when the victim is a woman, but men can be abducted, too.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 12:23:05 pm
Very interesting lesson, Leslie.  Maybe if you're done teaching you could serve your students some lemonade?
LOL

Anyone know what's up with chat?  I thought you guys might be celebrating Ennis' escape, the new chat didn't open, I am in the old chat with Daniel, and all the rooms say CLOSED, including the campfire, where Daniel and I are.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 12:46:09 pm
Wow - you guys are busy bees!!  ;D


Just to update this list:

Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (Time zone?)  Same time as Germany (6 hours ahead of EDT) - Although she did say she was vacationing in Greece, right?
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (Time zone?)   Same time as Germany (6 hours ahead of EDT)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarland, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (Time zone?)  Mountain Time (Same time zone as E & E!!)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (Time zone?)  Central DT (1 hour behind EDT)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 18, 2006, 12:48:55 pm
Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (Time zone?)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
gn411: St Petersburg FL (EDT)  (what heat?)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (Time zone?)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarland, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (Time zone?)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 12:50:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 09:41:38 am
Lucise, are you planning a banner for us?
You know I am always game for E & E photo work ... I am totally up for it!  ;)

I have been doing some J & E photo art too ... will upload them to the internet when I get home!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 12:54:31 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 18, 2006, 12:50:33 pm
You know I am always game for E & E photo work ... I am totally up for it!  ;)

I have been doing some J & E photo art too ... will upload them to the internet when I get home!


We actually passed 1700. Maybe by the time you get home and get a banner made, we'll be up to 1800. Yee-haw!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 12:57:25 pm
Now that we know where we live, how 'bout a lil bit about ourselves?  :P

Hello, I am Milli!  I live in Edmonton ALberta ( home of the largest mall in the world!  ;) )..
I make a living in the world of computer programming .. I love my job.
I have been an avid Brokie since, duh, BBM came to theatres.. :P
I was introduced to E & E by DeeDee (love ya for that Dee)...
I am having a swell time with you all!  I wish we could all get together sometime and eat chili with burned biscuits, while sipping on some Glenfiddle!  It could be a sweet life!

 ;)

You?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 01:16:01 pm
er uh well I am Louise van Hine, your author for the Ennis and Ellery stories. I first heard about BBM from Maureen Dowd in  her column "Bushback Mountain" in December 2005, read the short story in January and waited till March for the movie to come to Germany, reading every review I could get my hands on.  at the beginning of May my sadness was lingering on way too much, I was arguing with people about whether Jack quit Ennis, and knew I had to complete the story for myself and began writing "Taking Chances," with some help from a gay couple as advisors.  Three books later I'm still writing in what is known as the "Laramie Saga."

A live at the moment in Saarbrücken, Germany while working on a project for the German telephone/internet company T-Systems, most likely soon to be returning to America when my contract runs out.  I have written a lot of poems, a number of other novels, and never really had much of an audience until a couple of months ago when "Taking Chances" started getting considerable attention in the Brokeback fan community.  And I thank you all for your enthusiasm and comments in reading it! 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 01:17:31 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 18, 2006, 12:57:25 pm
Now that we know where we live, how 'bout a lil bit about ourselves?  :P

I first saw the movie right before the Oscars, and obviously, have been a Brokie ever since.

I met E and E on the DaveCullen slash thread (back during Taking Chances)...  I kept hearing talk about this Ellery guy, and I just had to check him out.  (Not sure if I would've clicked on the link if his name had been Bob... no offense to any Bob's out there...) And, as you know, once you start, you can't stop!

Maybe we could have ice cream instead of chili for now?  (Or maybe it's not so hot in Canada?)  And I might have to leave the Glenfiddle for the boys.  A nice cold beer will do me just fine.

(I'm jealous you to get live in the same time zone as E and E!)
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 01:19:26 pm
 
.... and it looks like the old Jetsons chat is back online if you want to chat, click on the Lips again!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 01:20:52 pm
and Leslie you just cut out doing that editing thing before I get a chance to do corrections, otherwise...

I'll have to do my corrections and post my link after I finish.  You wouldn't want that now would you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 18, 2006, 01:24:17 pm
I live in Tucson, AZ.
Arizona doesn't go on Daylight Saving so in the summer we are the same as Pacific Daylight Time and in the winter the same as Mountain Standard Time.

Summer: EDT-3
Winter:   EDT-2

I am an old codger, a retired surgeon, and a recently proud gay man, thanks to Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 18, 2006, 01:28:59 pm
An Error.

Winter:  EST-2
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 01:41:16 pm
I'll dive in...

I think most people know, but  I am Leslie and I live just outside Portland, ME (I say Portland for convenience, because that is where my office is). I am happily married with two children, whose pictures have appeared on this thread. My son is 18, just graduated from HS and will be attending Hartwick College, Oneonta, NY, in the fall. My daughter turns 15 tomorrow (Jul 19) and will be a freshmen in HS. I am a nurse but my career has been mostly in research and academia. I keep up on clinical matters by working per diem at a free clinic and reading alot. My husband owns a woodturning and manufacturing company in Saco, ME.

I first heard of Brokeback Mountain at Thanksgiving. I read the story online and became hooked, reading anything I could find about the movie. I saw the movie the first time on Dec 27 and saw it 5 more times in the theater after that, the last being Mar 10 (the day of the Variety ad). I got a bootleg copy of the DVD on Mar 21, have a copy of the original Variety (with the ad) and the Oscar promo book, plus a bunch of other neat stuff, all stored in my reliquary. I started posting on IMDb in early January and was a "regular" in no time at all.

The first fanfic I read (in Jan) was Ennis: The Sequel, which was a movingon!Ennis story. It was good, but didn't hook me. I started my own writing about that time, with Clinical Fever. I discovered Human Interest (from a posting here at Bettermost, announcing that the last chapter was up) and read that in one sitting. While I liked that story, there were things about it that didn't sit quite right with me and that became the inspiration to write my own story, "A Love Born From Steel."

Being a fanfic author puts you in the community of other fanfic authors (and readers) and I started a busy correspondence with a number of people. One woman wrote me about her story and it was from her that I found out about Louise and Taking Chances. Interestingly, the woman was not commenting on the story, but rather, on its length and the speed with which Louise was writing it. I actually dug up her email:

I was feeling pretty proud of myself,  wow,  14 chapters,  what a body of work.  Then I saw  Taking Chances by Louisev and she has 74 chapters and maybe more.  Good grief!  I've only tested 6 and feel that I will have a nice long story for summer reading. You probably know all about it,  but I didn't so here's the link.
http://louisev.livejournal.com/2743.html

I didn't know "all about it" and that message is what got me hooked. That message was sent on May 20th, btw.

As an author, a lot of readers write and ask for suggestions as to what to read next. I began recommending Taking Chances, citing it as a great story with lots of action and a very sympathetic treatment of Ennis, post-Jack, and Jack, in death. I have found that it takes a bit of persuading but I have converted quite a few, including David, Scudder, DeeDee, and, I think Fred. (Fred, correct me if I am wrong on that).

I had started corresponding with Louise, chatting about the story (I found my first email message to her, written on May 24, so I obviously got hooked pretty quickly!). Meanwhile, a bunch of us were chatting here. That was the inspiration for the E&E thread. I started the thread on Jun 23, Louise joined us on Jun 24 and the rest, as they say, is history.

BTW, Louise and I are getting together in London (England) on Aug 5-6. Anyone who would like to join us is welcome.

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 01:43:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 01:20:52 pm
and Leslie you just cut out doing that editing thing before I get a chance to do corrections, otherwise...

I'll have to do my corrections and post my link after I finish.  You wouldn't want that now would you?

Sweetie, you know I suffer from that dreadful disease, "editor's eyeballs."

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 18, 2006, 01:53:28 pm
I did this somewhere else - hope y'all like it :)

Current Time Update


11.00pm Pacific time (JENNY, PASTORFRED, SCUDDER)

12.00 Mountain time (LOVEEMBOYS, LUCISE)

13.00 Central time (QUIPLASH)

14.00 Eastern time (DAVIDINHARTFORD, GN411, MAINEWRITER, NEATFREAK, NOTBASTET)

19.00 UK time  (HELEN)

20.00 Euro time  (BIGHEART AND LOUISE)

04.00 Eastern Aussie time 

http://www.worldtimezone.com/

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on July 18, 2006, 01:54:13 pm
Most of you know me, but for those who don't:

My name is Diane.  Originally a New Yorker, now living in Baltimore, MD.  I am happily married with 5 furry children.  A schnauzer named Scout, A chow/lab named Smokey and three cats, Sabrina, Sammy and Simon.

I first saw BBM in New York on December 29.  I came back to Baltimore Jan. 1 and had to wait 10 days for it to open here.  Longest 10 days of my life.  Fell into the magic of this movie, and then found this wonderful group of people.

Two stories from 2 great ladies have been my addiction for a while now. 

With Leslie, Ennis and Jack spend their lives together and are happy.

With Louise, Ennis does move on to another life, with Ellery.

Either way, both stories have captured my attention and will continue to do so, if these two will get their butts out of chat, and back to their computers!!   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 02:22:47 pm
hey, I'm multitasking!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 02:41:21 pm
How awesome to read more on fellow E&E fans! 

Leslie, I so wish I could join you ladies in London! Wow!  Alas, that won't be happening ... :-\
You both better take some pix to share with us!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 18, 2006, 02:48:12 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 08:22:31 am
Isn't it? Took me a while to get it on the computer...I have not been able to find it on the Internet. See the Heath Heath Heath thread for more details...

L

You have to go into the New York Times articles to see it, back during Oscar time.

Well I am aka as Patty--I live in the Northern Plains of South Dakota--it is only over 90 right now, 108 two days ago-we are in a cooling pattern. LOL  We are in Central Standard Time---rightnow known as Daylight Savings Time-which I hate with a passion.

Have 2 dogs, hundreds of cows, 6 horses, a husband and son-I make my living the same way Ennis did, though we own the ranch which helps alittle but not much.
Have seen BBM 6 times in the theater, and had to drive over an hour one way each time--loved it more every viewing--of course now I live with the dvd--which helps-all versions--and I of course also own every Heath movie available out there, along with most of his interviews and articles from before he was so popular on through now with Matilda and Michelle.   sometimes it seems like a wierd hobby---but I would rather collect and view Heath stuff than most hobbies so it works for me!  I found this through The Laramie Sagas on livejournal, and have never regretted making the journey here.  Also somewhat active on the HEATH HEATH HEATh thread too. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 18, 2006, 02:53:43 pm
Howdy, y'all!

I'm a retired non-denominational pastor with over 20 years parish ministry experience in the Lutheran church (ELCA).

The story of my relationship with BBM tells plenty of my biography:

1.) I first saw the movie the day after it was released on dvd. Two days later I was thinking that I wished I could have met Ennis and Jack. Suddenly my knees buckled and I nearly fell down in the manner of Ennis as I realized that I had indeed met them. That story is at my lj: http://pastorfred.livejournal.com (http://pastorfred.livejournal.com)

2.) I wondered why I hadn't seen the movie in theatres. Then I realized that it had been released in wide distribution shortly after my wife's death last December 5. The movie was vitally important to me for catharsis. As I shared Ennis's grief I began to come to grips with my own.

3.) The movie has been a conversion experience for me regarding homosexuality. I thought I had a high degree of tolerance for LGBT people. I came to realize that they did not need my tolerance. I needed to accept them as my sisters and brothers.

Coming to the Laramie Saga has been another conversion experience, and the next step in my own grief work. My favorite AU is A Love Born from Steel. Leslie's involvement in the E&E thread set me up for the conversion. When I first read about the story, I thought that I couldn't read it. The next morning, while I was walking my dogs, Jack asked me if I thought that was fair to Ennis. I clicked on the link and began to read. Now I'm as addicted and obsessed with Ennis and Ellery as anybody.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 02:55:22 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on July 18, 2006, 02:48:12 pm
You have to go into the New York Times articles to see it, back during Oscar time.

No longer. Now we have it here, our very own dose of worried about Ennis Heath goodness. Here's another dose...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/heath.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 18, 2006, 03:06:11 pm
Thanks for bringing it along---any view always works for me!!


I read a lot of fanfiction, a lot of slash fanfiction, and not just BBM, but am totally out of my mind about the Laramie Sagas.  (shakes head) ;D
I do also love A Love Born of Steel, and several others I have found both livejournal, and fanfiction.net.
I also love madlori's Farmingdale stories too.
ANd I am a big fan of some great Houston Knights fanfiction as well as some Highlander stuff---which is the series that introduced me to Slash fanfiction in the first place. Glad I branched out to some others too. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 18, 2006, 03:23:07 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 01:41:16 pm
BTW, Louise and I are getting together in London (England) on Aug 5-6. Anyone who would like to join us is welcome.
Leslie
MaineWriter

I can highly recommend the Dorchester Hotel Leslie!    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 03:24:58 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 18, 2006, 03:23:07 pm
I can highly recommend the Dorchester Hotel Leslie!    ;D

At $600/night? I don't think so! Plus, didn't you have lousy Internet access? LOL

The place I am staying is supposed to have air conditioning and wireless internet. I hope this is true!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 03:53:44 pm
I hope others will share their BBM/fanfic/E&E stories, as much or as little as you feel comfortable with. I enjoy reading them and I am sure others do too. We have such a wonderful community here!

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 18, 2006, 04:23:40 pm

Slightly OT here:

Leslie, thanks for the picture of the bowl of cherries yesterday. Right now I'm pigging out on bing cherries that I picked this morning at a nearby orchard.

This is the time of year for fruit in the Rocky Mountains. Like the raspberries that Ennis ate to gain strength on his odyssey, my raspberry canes are setting fruit like crazy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 04:25:27 pm
Poor Ennis! What a time he has had!

First, he gets hit on the

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/noggin.gif)

by a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/budweiser.jpg)

Despite taking lots of

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/05-aspirin.jpg)

and Ellery acting like a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/nurse_cap1.jpg)

it is likely he did not sleep like a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Mikal20Baby20Pic.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Mikal20Baby20Pic.jpg)

The next morning is awakened by the sound of

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/break_glass.jpg)

and the sight of thugs in the kitchen, who are wearing

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/stockings2.jpg)

but on their

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/noggin.gif)

not their

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/btn_thighs.jpg)


The tie up Ennis with a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/L_TKnot.jpg)

and speed away in a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/red_truck.jpg)

What happens next? Stay tuned....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 04:26:26 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75913.html  "Chapter 2:  Crime Scene"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 04:28:04 pm
What wonderful news for view 10001 Louise, and post 1750.

Leslie runs off to read....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 04:53:19 pm

Yee-haw!!!   :D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/AAngl.gif)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/023eb825.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/AAngl.gif)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 05:12:48 pm
Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
gn411:  St Petersburg, FL (EDT)  (what heat?)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (CET=EDT+6)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 05:22:08 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 04:26:26 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75913.html  "Chapter 2:  Crime Scene"
Spoiler:


I could cry with relief now that they're together again.  I didn't think it was possible, but I love Ennis and Ellery more and more with each passing day.

Now that I take a deep breath, I feel like I might get the giggles - to laugh or to cry?  Maybe a little bit of both.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 05:31:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 08:39:01 am
Something new for the gallery. Ellery has been handing out a lot of these lately, so I thought we'd all like to see his business card.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)

LOVE IT!

Question: who is the actor/model that is being used to portray Ellery Cantrell?  I need to know 'cuz if I start doing fanart again, I need an actors' name to dig for suitable photos etc.  Can anyone help me out here?

Louise: I'm YOURS, drank the Koolaid and everything :-)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 05:33:01 pm
Hugh Jackman.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 05:35:15 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 11:04:42 am
We will wait patiently while Louise is setting flags, pushing values, reviewing development standards and naming conventions.* So, while we wait, can we figure out where everyone is?

Louisev: Somewhere, Germany (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
Bigheart:  Somewhere, Holland (Time zone?)


*??? I have no idea.
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (Central Standard Time).
And the polar bears are at the OTHER end of the province ;-)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 05:39:38 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 05:31:33 pm
Question: who is the actor/model that is being used to portray Ellery Cantrell?  I need to know 'cuz if I start doing fanart again, I need an actors' name to dig for suitable photos etc.  Can anyone help me out here?

Hugh Jackman is our Ellery.

Did you check out our cast/prop gallery?   :)
If not, here was the latest update.  (I'll be doing another update very soon!)

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.msg58786#msg58786 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.msg58786#msg58786)
and
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.msg58789#msg58789 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.msg58789#msg58789)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 05:40:47 pm
*ulp* Quiplash. you do... fan art?  reeeeeallly?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 05:43:10 pm
My name is Betty and I live in Indianapolis. I have two children: daughter 18 and son 14. Married 29 years. I have had a series of careers: English teacher, corporate sales trainer, at-home mother, now Sunday School director at a large church.

I was drawn to BBM by an online trailer and found the story online before The New Yorker withdrew it. It haunted me for weeks until I saw the movie on Dec. 27. The movie and story fed each other and the combined experience left me not able to eat or sleep for a week.

My connection was initially through my brother, who was closeted to my family until the last few months of his life. He died ten years ago at age 48 of complications from AIDS. It was the fear of rejection that kept him away from us, but I was able to tell him finally that we all realized he was gay long ago; we loved him and no one cared who he chose to love. Ennis’ fears resonated the pain our family suffered because of homophobia.

But that wasn’t the only connection point for me. My family does not understand why I was hit so hard – shoot, I hardly understand myself – but I am changed forever by this event: the book, the movie, the forums, the fanfiction, the new online friends. I continue to evolve, but what it comes down to is this: I used to be Ennis, shutting out the world and its pain but also its possibilities. BBM has removed my armor, and while I am open to the pain in the world, I want to embrace those who suffer from it. I am becoming Jack. And people have noticed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 05:48:23 pm
I live in a small town called Bergschenhoek, just outside Rotterdam  :)

And yes, I will be in Greece till August 5, home for about a week and then I'll be going to the US to meet up with Helen in Wyoming - yeeeeee - haaaaaaaaaw!! LOL and some other friends from the DC board in New York  :)

How lovely Leslie and Louise that you will be meeting up in London :) Hope you will still be able to make it to Rotterdam in October  :)

And now I deperately have to go and read the two new chapters!!!!!!! Whoooooooo!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 05:49:10 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 05:43:10 pm
But that wasn’t the only connection point for me. My family does not understand why I was hit so hard – shoot, I hardly understand myself – but I am changed forever by this event: the book, the movie, the forums, the fanfiction, the new online friends. I continue to evolve, but what it comes down to is this: I used to be Ennis, shutting out the world and its pain but also its possibilities. BBM has removed my armor, and while I am open to the pain in the world, I want to embrace those who suffer from it. I am becoming Jack. And people have noticed.


 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 06:11:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 04:26:26 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75913.html  "Chapter 2:  Crime Scene"
What a wonderful chapter Louise. I actually cried, it was SO sweet and intense when they saw each other again. Beautiful.
 :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 06:19:47 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on July 18, 2006, 03:06:11 pm
Thanks for bringing it along---any view always works for me!!


I read a lot of fanfiction, a lot of slash fanfiction, and not just BBM, but am totally out of my mind about the Laramie Sagas.  (shakes head) ;D
I do also love A Love Born of Steel, and several others I have found both livejournal, and fanfiction.net.
I also love madlori's Farmingdale stories too.
ANd I am a big fan of some great Houston Knights fanfiction as well as some Highlander stuff---which is the series that introduced me to Slash fanfiction in the first place. Glad I branched out to some others too. LOL
My top three are (in no particular order):

1. Human Interest/Two Crows Joy by Lori (slowly being updated; my fanfic Chiron is in the same AU of lori's, and follows Lureen Newsome Twist as she tries to get her life back together after the events detailed in Human Interest.)

2. Someone New by Jenna (she said she's working on a sequel)

3. The Laramie Saga by Louise

I'm a complete sucker for happy ending stories.  Not a fan of RPS.  I check brokebackslash at least once a day  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 06:22:57 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 18, 2006, 04:53:19 pm


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/023eb825.jpg)

So the guy on the left is Hugh Jackman then?  He looks different from Wolverine, which is the mental image I had of him.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 06:25:41 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 06:19:47 pm
My top three are (in no particular order):

1. Human Interest/Two Crows Joy by Lori (slowly being updated; my fanfic Chiron is in the same AU of lori's, and follows Lureen Newsome Twist as she tries to get her life back together after the events detailed in Human Interest.)

2. Someone New by Jenna (she said she's working on a sequel)

3. The Laramie Saga by Louise

I'm a complete sucker for happy ending stories.  Not a fan of RPS.  I check brokebackslash at least once a day  ::)

Quip, may I ask if you have read my story? It definitely has a happy ending...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 06:26:55 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on July 18, 2006, 06:11:56 pm
What a wonderful chapter Louise. I actually cried, it was SO sweet and intense when they saw each other again. Beautiful.
 :) :)

I am glad that it satisfied.  Ennis is going to need some TLC after this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2006, 06:31:51 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 06:22:57 pm


yes that is Hugh Jackman.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 06:35:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 18, 2006, 05:40:47 pm
*ulp* Quiplash. you do... fan art?  reeeeeallly?
Yep, both canon and for Human Interest.  Click on the link in my signature line to see it.  I've done both serious and funny stuff.   Some samples (click on thumbnail for larger sizes):

(http://static.flickr.com/12/90280091_f8512a44fa_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/90280091/)

(http://static.flickr.com/33/99096388_e5468e1633.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/99096388/)
(for chapter 18 of Human Interest)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 06:36:41 pm
Quip,

When we originally decided on Hugh Jackman, we worked from these two pics:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman.jpg)


and

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman1.jpg)


I know some of the pictures we have on the thread look a little different because Lucise has done some photoshopping....removing the beard, etc.

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 06:37:09 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 06:22:57 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/023eb825.jpg)

So the guy on the left is Hugh Jackman then?  He looks different from Wolverine, which is the mental image I had of him.

Well, those 2 pix are manip (photoshopped) pix but that is Hugh's face all right! 
Their bodies there belong to some rather gorgeous underwear models!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 06:42:33 pm
Damn, i typed in a "who I am" post and it never got posted.  Musta hit the back button once too mnay times.  Oh well.  Later.  I still got laundry to fold and put away  ::)
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 06:25:41 pm
Quip, may I ask if you have read my story? It definitely has a happy ending...

L
Yes I have, and I loved it too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 07:02:13 pm
Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St Petersburg, FL (EDT)  (what heat?)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CST=EDT)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 07:20:00 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 06:42:33 pm
:)Yes I have, and I loved it too.

Comments like that just make my day. Thanks, Quip.

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 07:25:13 pm
Stats Update:

We are within easy striking distance of overtaking "The Performance" in number of views, and have very firmly established ourselves ahead of the "Person Below Me" game in number of replies. Next big milestone will be to overcome the NC17 thread for replies (about 500 to go to get there, but at least they are not a moving target since that thread is dead). At our current rate, we could do that in 8 to 10 days. If the story heats up, it may be faster.

Why do I care about this stuff? You tell me. I must have a hidden competitive streak I never knew about. LOL

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: CarolK1943 on July 18, 2006, 07:42:11 pm
Who Am I?

My name is Carol and I was born in 1943 - hence my username.  This makes me the same age as Jack and Ennis - I was also 19 in the summer of 1963.  I am originally from New Hampshire, but have lived in Michigan (that's EDT) for 44 years - originally to attend college, but after that I just stayed, got married, had kids, worked as a computer programmer and computer systems analyst, had grandkids, retired.  Now I babysit my youngest daughter's 6 kids while she works 2 jobs.

I used to read books and do genealogy, but now I read BBM fanfiction and slash.  I became aware of the movie from TV ads in early Dec, read the story in Jan, saw the movie in Feb and again in Mar - took my 14-year-old granddaughter both times.  No movie, TV show or book has ever affected me this much and I don't even know why.  All I know is I cry in the movie when Jack cries and I cry in the movie when Ennis cries.  I cry when I read of these events in fan fiction - especially mention of Jack's death and realizing Ennis is now alone.  I don't want to see Ennis grow old alone.

I say I can't read Dead!Jack fic, but I love all of the Laramie stories.  I can't get past the first page of "Widower", but I loved "Riding Fence".  I'll read or at least start to read almost anything BBM or RPS.  I guess I'm inconsistant, because I just love a happy ending for Jack and Ennis - loved "Love Born From Steel" - but also like MovingOn!Ennis.

I'll never have much to say, but I read all posts here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 07:58:58 pm
Oh yeah, Hugh Jackman makes a GREAT Ellery.  Just need to darken his hair (and lengthen it) and grey his eyes and voila!

(http://static.flickr.com/74/192969172_dc2094eee5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/192969172/)

(http://static.flickr.com/74/192969160_0f20fe6ea7_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/192969160/)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 18, 2006, 08:07:07 pm
Welcome to our fast-growing thread, Carol! Have some ice cream!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/66ce3149.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 18, 2006, 08:20:57 pm
Since when offering ice cream became our secret welcome code here?  I must have missed it.  :)

Ok I have a silly but serious question from a bakery challenged person.  Where or rather which brand of biscuits dough I should buy to make those yummy biscuits?  I like the biscuits at KFC, I have tried the Butter Milk biscuit dough I can find at grocery store, but they taste nothing like KFC biscuits.  I know Leslie has posted a Biscuit recipe, but I can not manage anything more than putting dough on a sheet and in the oven.  So any suggestion?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 08:44:31 pm
Quote from: CarolK1943 on July 18, 2006, 07:42:11 pm
I'll never have much to say, but I read all posts here.

Carol - I don't believe that for one second! 
 ;D
(You might never say much, but I bet you have a lot to say... reminds me of a certain taciturn cowboy, as portrayed by a certain handsome man...)
But don't worry if you don't want to say much, we all know silence is golden...  (sometimes I mix up my cliches, I hope that one is right)  Anyhow, I'd love to listen to anything you have to say. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 08:45:08 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 18, 2006, 08:20:57 pm
Since when offering ice cream became our secret welcome code here?  I must have missed it.  :)

Ok I have a silly but serious question from a bakery challenged person.  Where or rather which brand of biscuits dough I should buy to make those yummy biscuits?  I like the biscuits at KFC, I have tried the Butter Milk biscuit dough I can find at grocery store, but they taste nothing like KFC biscuits.  I know Leslie has posted a Biscuit recipe, but I can not manage anything more than putting dough on a sheet and in the oven.  So any suggestion?


Go to the grocery store, to the dairy section, and look for the bicuits in the tubes. That's what Ennis and Ellery are eating. They only get homemade biscuits when Edna or Alma Jr. bake them.

Since I have not gone to the grocery store since I saw BBM (I am NOT making this up) I have forgotten the brand names, but I believe there is a very generic "Pillsbury Doughboy" brand biscuit. I think the can makes 10 of them. Then there are Hungry Jack biscuits and they come in, I dunno, traditional and flaky? Something like that. I believe there are only 6 in can for those, because the biscuits are bigger.

Some people hate these these biscuits in a can, but to be honest, I don't think they are bad. When you have young children and you are trying to make a home cooked dinner---with two parents who work--you take shortcuts. These are a good way to have something hot and semi-homemade....as opposed to bringing home dinner in a bag from McDonald's. I think there is someone on FoodTV who does this...presents menus with one or two fully homecooked items and then shortcuts the other stuff. I usually cook the main course (meat or a vegetarian entree) and a vegetable, shortcut the rest: biscuits, bread, other starch (rice), things for dessert (although we rarely eat dessert) but when we do...ice cream, cookies, pie, usually in that order.

To be honest, the more likely dessert around here is to have a little bit of good quality chocolate...with a glass of wine. Now that is my idea of heaven!

Leslie


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 08:46:38 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 07:58:58 pm
Oh yeah, Hugh Jackman makes a GREAT Ellery.  Just need to darken his hair (and lengthen it) and grey his eyes and voila!

(http://static.flickr.com/74/192969172_dc2094eee5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/192969172/)

(http://static.flickr.com/74/192969160_0f20fe6ea7_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/192969160/)

So I voted for Hugh Jackman early on, but I was never 100% convinced, UNTIL NOW!  My goodness our Ellery is a fine man.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 08:54:10 pm
You can also buy frozen Pillsbury biscuits in a variety of flavors. They come in a re-sealable bag. You just place the frozen biscuit on a baking sheet (I don't remember if they can be microwaved) and pop in the oven.  These are even easier than the ones in a can (none of that popping open of the can or separating out the dough).  They are in the frozen foods section..usually there is an area labeled "Breads".

Leslie - who on earth goes to the grocery store for you?  Husband?  Children?  Everything you eat is home grown?  (I doubt it...)

Keep us posted on how it goes with the biscuits Jenny...  feel free to let us know if you have as much luck with burned biscuits as E and E did....  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 08:55:51 pm
I would like to pose an artistic challenge:

I would LOVE to see Ellery in his blue lizard skin boots....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 08:58:14 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 08:46:38 pm
So I voted for Hugh Jackman early on, but I was never 100% convinced, UNTIL NOW!  My goodness our Ellery is a fine man.

All this time you weren't convinced?  :o

 :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 08:58:58 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 08:55:51 pm
I would like to pose an artistic challenge:

I would LOVE to see Ellery in his blue lizard skin boots....

You got it!!  :D
Gimme a few moments though ...lol...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 09:18:07 pm
Okay Kelly, I got something for ya!...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ12.jpg)


Granted, he has not shaved and only one boot is showing ... but ..well, you get the idea.. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 18, 2006, 09:22:30 pm
Who am I?

i've posted this elsewhere but since I seem to be spending a lot of my time here I'll say it again.  :)

I'm Lauren, I live in Vienna, Maine, about an hour and 45 minutes or so north of Leslie (considering that I have a lot of back roads to travel before really starting to head south). I'm 58, I was divorced this morning after 14 years of marriage ( :)), have a college-age son and a big black-and-white cat living at home with me, and work for an educational non-profit. I was raised in Florida but have been in Maine since 1974, and spent part of that time training and owning standardbred race horses. It's been 23 years, though, since I've owned horses.

I started seeing the movie in February and saw it seven times in the theatre. I've only watched it all the way through on the DVD a couple of times because I'm just not ready for the sadness again just yet, but I've been reading fan fiction since April (including madlori, Someone New, and A Love Born From Steel) and have enjoyed it tremendously. I started out on Dave's board ("junior") and came here because of Leslie and her love of Ennis and Ellery, and just kind of hang around.

I'm an introvert who is striving to be more Jack (although I'm in love with Ennis) and have started making some positive changes in my life that I hope to follow through on and improve upon, all thanks to Jack and Ennis. We'll have to wait and see how it all turns out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 09:25:40 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 18, 2006, 09:18:07 pm
Okay Kelly, I got something for ya!...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ12.jpg)


Granted, he has not shaved and only one boot is showing ... but ..well, you get the idea.. ;D

Wow... if only all my wishes in life were so quickly fulfilled.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 09:31:02 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 09:25:40 pm
Wow... if only all my wishes in life were so quickly fulfilled.
;)

I talked Ellery into posing for me again...so this time, I took a better picture with both boots in !  :laugh:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ12_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 09:36:05 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 18, 2006, 09:31:02 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ12_2.jpg)

Mr. Coyote, come and get me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 18, 2006, 09:43:10 pm
 :o :o :o ;) ;D
OMG!!!!  SIGH
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 09:54:09 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 18, 2006, 09:18:07 pm
Okay Kelly, I got something for ya!...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ12.jpg)


Granted, he has not shaved and only one boot is showing ... but ..well, you get the idea.. ;D
Very, very nice!  Looks like Louisev gets not one but two Photoshop artists to illustrate The Laramie Saga!
I think I am going to cut and paste Hugh's hair here onto other Hugh heads... I just like that look. 

Lucise, is there a larger size to this photo?
Also, which Hugh Jackman photo sites do you prefer?
Spill your secrets, sister!  ;-)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 18, 2006, 09:54:50 pm
Ranchgal, I hate to interrupt you when you are obviously in the throes of ecstasy, ;)  but would I have read posts of yours on Dave Cullen? Particularly, several months ago, did you post something about "hat etiquette"? I believe the discussion evolved from the mention of how Ennis had his hat in his hand when he went to the tent for the SNIT. I didn't see the post but read a post by someone else who commented on it. I'd be really interested in what it was that you had to say about it, if you wouldn't mind repeating it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 09:57:39 pm
Quote from: tamarack on July 18, 2006, 09:22:30 pm
Who am I?

i've posted this elsewhere but since I seem to be spending a lot of my time here I'll say it again.  :)

I'm Lauren, I live in Vienna, Maine, about an hour and 45 minutes or so north of Leslie ..

Hey Lauren!   ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6593d177.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 10:00:57 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 18, 2006, 09:57:39 pm
Hey Lauren!   ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6593d177.jpg)


LOL!  I'm *SO* stealing this graphic!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 10:03:12 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 10:00:57 pm
LOL!  I'm *SO* stealing this graphic!!

lol...go right ahead ..
by the way Quip, check ya PMs ..  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 18, 2006, 10:05:17 pm
Thanks, Lucise. Glad to meet you, too. And that is a very appropriate graphic!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 10:34:21 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 09:54:09 pm
Very, very nice!  Looks like Louisev gets not one but two Photoshop artists to illustrate The Laramie Saga!
I think I am going to cut and paste Hugh's hair here onto other Hugh heads... I just like that look. 

That is one of the HJ 'heads' I like to use for some Ellery pix.
The hair color and length are perfect!

Quote
Lucise, is there a larger size to this photo?
Also, which Hugh Jackman photo sites do you prefer?
Spill your secrets, sister!  ;-)

This is the actual HJ pic:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/75c35291.jpg (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/75c35291.jpg)

I don't have any particular HJ sites where I get pix.
Google is just my best friend ..lol
If you do find a great HJ source for pix, you know who to inform!  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:00:15 pm
Gee whiz, I go away for an hour and guess what happens? I get to post post no. 1800! Wooweee!

Okay, to recap...

I never thought I'd like blue boots til I saw those pictures. However, Ellery favors black denims. Anyway we can darken up the pants?:

Two photoshop artists...wowza! Makes me proud of my compliment from Quip on the business card (which if I do say so myself, looks pretty damn good).

Lauren...Vienna, Maine? Shit, girl, we are practically neighbors! We must get together for a visit. Maybe we can persuade David to join us. He does have a new car after all.

I have to laugh at your message...for those reading this who are "from away" (which is everyone who is not in Maine)...there is this weird thing in this state. Unless you were born here, you are never from here, so people always ask you where you are from. After a certain period of time, you just say it reflexively, without being asked. Notice Lauren's message, "I've been here since 1974..."   I actually resist this and still don't offer the information, unless asked (although I get asked all the time). For the record, since I brought this up and I am among friends, I'll tell you...I've been here since 1980. I spent most of my youth in New York (Queens, then Long Island, then the capital district for college), lived for a year in Maryland and then two in Chicago, and moved  here to Maine in June of 1980. We still live in the same house, which was builit in 1803.

So Lauren, even though neither of us are natives, you're more native than me. Ayuh.

L

PS, get the two of us wound up enough, maybe we'll start telling "Bert & I" jokes...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:07:02 pm
Quiplash, Lucise--

Photoshop wars? Love it... only good can come from this.

I want a picture of Ellery in his cutoffs and tank top, where we can see all the way to France. We have the clothes, now put them on a body, willya? Hmmmm....

Quip, I looked at your fanart...nice stuff. You'll have fun here because we are a little edgier. No holds barred. In other words, you don't need to be quite so niice. The only real rule (I am told) is no full frontal nudity but..well, pm me if you want more info.

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 18, 2006, 11:15:15 pm
So many new E&E fans!    YAAA!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 11:30:50 pm
Okay, did anyone notice this yet:

Hugh Jackman

Heath Ledger  Jake Gyllenhaal

To me, for whatever reason, this is further proof that Hugh Jackman is meant to be Ellery...  (and for the record, Lucise, I was about 95% convinced when Quip posted is first pics, he just bumped up that extra 5%.  Now, I know it was meant to be.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 11:35:31 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:07:02 pm
Photoshop wars? Love it... only good can come from this.

Leslie, my dear, not everyone is as competitive as you.  ;)  I think they have a photoshop club going, not wars...

BTW - I am quite jealous that you manage to get all the 'good' numbered posts.

I second your request for the Ellery in cut offs pic, but can we legally see all the way to France?  (It's fun to think about, regardless.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 18, 2006, 11:43:39 pm
Quote from: tamarack on July 18, 2006, 09:54:50 pm
Ranchgal, I hate to interrupt you when you are obviously in the throes of ecstasy, ;)  but would I have read posts of yours on Dave Cullen? Particularly, several months ago, did you post something about "hat etiquette"? I believe the discussion evolved from the mention of how Ennis had his hat in his hand when he went to the tent for the SNIT. I didn't see the post but read a post by someone else who commented on it. I'd be really interested in what it was that you had to say about it, if you wouldn't mind repeating it.


Yes, I have posted on davecullen. So you may have seen something, about a variety of things. LOL   The main hat discussion I really remember was the significance of colors-and I don't think there is any---because of the number of different colored/types hats each had throughout the movie, at different times in their lives.
but I can't quite place the etiquette discussion except to give my thoughts, off the top of my head about the second night in the tent, which is one of my very favorite moments of tenderness between them.
the fact that Ennis has his hat in his hand when he comes to the tentflap that second night says to me how much he is asking for Jack's acceptance of him, and his respect for Jack.
You always take your hat off when entering a person's home, as a sign of respect, and he was being very respectful of Jack and Jack's place when he approached, and took off his hat and waited for admittance.   
The fact that he has his hat on while beside the fire, and then is holding it in his hands as he gets to the tent is what tells me about his mindset---that and the way you just know he has been wrestling with who/what am I and what do I do about this to keep this wonderful sense of touching/love/tenderness I have never had before-and can't lose now.   

Don't know if that is the explanation you were looking for, but hope it helps, if you know something specific I could answer more, but right now, that is what stays in my head-without going over to davecullen's and going through all the pages of SNIT. LOL

one thing I did say is that when I was in college, an OLDER rancher, who would have been a top hand in his day, now a respected cattleman---told me that you could tell a real cattleman because he always removed his hat entering any people buildings, and you could always tell the "college" cowboys who were not much more than hotdogs because they never removed their hats--and it was disrespectful and would not have tolerated in his youthful days. He wouldn't even call them  real cowboys, let alone cattlemen, no matter how much skill they may have had, they didn't give respect by using their hats correctly, so they didn't get respect.   I learned then, and always removed my hat, cause I wanted to be a real hand and not a wanna be!! LOL   Pretty quick I got smart and started using a cap instead of hat, though I still have one for special stuff.

course that was over 30 years ago, and hat etiquette like a lot of American traditional etiquette on a lot of subjects has gone much more casual and is not the same now as then--now people wear their hats in movie theaters--and that is really NOT a good thing, but no one remembers "right and wrong" much any more, the way they used to.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 11:46:23 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 18, 2006, 11:35:31 pm
Leslie, my dear, not everyone is as competitive as you.  ;)  I think they have a photoshop club going, not wars...

Hehe ... here here nB!  ;D
Quip and I are Canadians, and canadians make love, not war!  Right Quip?  :P

I would also like to see all the way to France, but I won't promise you such a trip..lol,
I will how ever like to see Ellery in them red tank and cutoffs...so I am up for it!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 18, 2006, 11:55:27 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:00:15 pm
I never thought I'd like blue boots til I saw those pictures. However, Ellery favors black denims. Anyway we can darken up the pants?
But of course....

(http://static.flickr.com/49/193116060_9f76047e82_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/193116060/)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 18, 2006, 11:58:00 pm
Quip!
You and I could do major damage round here!  Love the dark jeans!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 18, 2006, 11:59:47 pm
OOOHHHHH
GASP-----THUNK  :o :o :o :-*



Now those legs go all the way up!! SIGH
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 12:14:30 am
Leslie, Can we have a new rule?  There must be at least one Ennis or Ellery picture per page of the thread.  I'll happily repost blue boots Ellery as needed....  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 01:20:48 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 12:14:30 am
Leslie, Can we have a new rule?  There must be at least one Ennis or Ellery picture per page of the thread.  I'll happily repost blue boots Ellery as needed....  :D

We need at least a pic per page..damn right!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 01:24:15 am

Where'd everyone go?
You can't all have gone to bed..  :P
I really should be calling it a night pretty soon too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 01:36:00 am
Hey ranchgal,  I see you lurking there ..  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 01:52:11 am
Hmmmm......
I'll continue to talk to myself then...  :P

Well, I think I'll turn in for the night ...
but first, there is something waiting for y'all in that direction:

(http://www.ussigncrafters.com/store/prodpics/R6-2RRA9.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 01:55:36 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:07:02 pm
I want a picture of Ellery in his cutoffs and tank top, where we can see all the way to France. We have the clothes, now put them on a body, willya? Hmmmm....

Taa-daaaa!!  ;D

The Chief Deputy Darlin' himself ... waiting for Mr Coyote to come home!  :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/027c8b01.jpg)


Wanna see him without that tank on?  Gotta wait till tomorrow!  :P
A demain mes amis!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 04:14:19 am
Holy moly, it's photoshop artists goin WILD!

Alas, folks, I have another day of software development ahead of me... which means no new chapters for at least 8 hours.  I figured I could warn you ahead of time and spare you all that refreshing that you folks love to do.

I will most likely drop in and out of chat (now that the OLD chat is back on again) if anyone is around to say hi.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 05:47:16 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 19, 2006, 01:55:36 am
Taa-daaaa!!  ;D

The Chief Deputy Darlin' himself ... waiting for Mr Coyote to come home!  :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/027c8b01.jpg)


Wanna see him without that tank on?  Gotta wait till tomorrow!  :P
A demain mes amis!
I love this: "your wish is my command." I sure wish Chief Deputy Darlin was waiting for ME to get home, but alas.... the Chief and Mr. Coyote are fine, too...

Leslie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 19, 2006, 06:21:06 am
I think Live Journal,s server must be have techy problems today, because I cant get in there. I can get in fanfic ok but not LJ. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 19, 2006, 06:35:32 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:07:02 pm
Quiplash, Lucise--

Photoshop wars? Love it... only good can come from this.

I want a picture of Ellery in his cutoffs and tank top, where we can see all the way to France. We have the clothes, now put them on a body, willya? Hmmmm....

Quip, I looked at your fanart...nice stuff. You'll have fun here because we are a little edgier. No holds barred. In other words, you don't need to be quite so niice. The only real rule (I am told) is no full frontal nudity but..well, pm me if you want more info.

L



Talking about all seeing all the way to France - It has occurred to me that there are quite a few French names in the Laramie Saga. For example:

Dupree, Sevigny, Leon, Lauren - Is there some hidden significance I wonder.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 19, 2006, 08:16:19 am
Hi all,

Another newbie introducing herself.
Just wanted to say hi.  :)
I have been reading (and loving) the Laramie saga for a while,  so I'm really happy to find this place.

RonitR

P.S - a slightly longer-haired Hugh Jackman is exactly how I pictured Ellery. Well, without the Australian accent. RonitR sighs dreamily...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 08:27:12 am
Quote from: RonitR on July 19, 2006, 08:16:19 am
Hi all,

Another newbie introducing herself.
Just wanted to say hi.  :)
I have been reading (and loving) the Laramie saga for a while,  so I'm really happy to find this place.

RonitR

P.S - a slightly longer-haired Hugh Jackman is exactly how I pictured Ellery. Well, without the Australian accent. RonitR sighs dreamily...


This is a really fun place....welcome, we're glad you're here.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 08:32:03 am
Quote from: RonitR on July 19, 2006, 08:16:19 am
Hi all,

Another newbie introducing herself.
Just wanted to say hi.  :)
I have been reading (and loving) the Laramie saga for a while,  so I'm really happy to find this place.

RonitR

P.S - a slightly longer-haired Hugh Jackman is exactly how I pictured Ellery. Well, without the Australian accent. RonitR sighs dreamily...


Welcome... thank you for the lovely fan mail you have sent me and I am glad you found the photo galleries that people have labored so hard over, particularly our Prop Mistress Leslie and our Gallery Archivist and Photoshop Expert Lucise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 08:35:56 am
Quote from: louisev on July 19, 2006, 08:32:03 am
Welcome... thank you for the lovely fan mail you have sent me and I am glad you found the photo galleries that people have labored so hard over, particularly our Prop Mistress Leslie and our Gallery Archivist and Photoshop Expert Lucise!


Lucise was doing such a good job...and expectations were so high...that we found an extra line in the production budget to bring on Quiplash as an additional photoshop expert to join the Gallery and Archives Department.

Leslie
Big Kahuna of the E&E thread (when we talk budgets, I'm the Kahuna!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 10:26:16 am
Leslie, How we doin' on stats today?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 19, 2006, 10:28:35 am
HOLY MOLY!!!!!!  NOW that is the way to start a morning!!!
So glad my eyes are NOT deceiving me.
OMG!!!!!

be back after I get my breath back! LOL


Gees Lucise--OH MY!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 10:32:43 am
Well, Francey pants is quite fine:


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/027c8b01.jpg)


But I think I prefer blue boots:

(http://static.flickr.com/49/193116060_9f76047e82_o.jpg)

I reserve the right to change my opinion when Francey pants takes off his shirt.

And, since we're striving for perfection, the apartment building we can see in Francey pants' window needs to get erased.  (See, Leslie, I can edit too.   ;D  Just not so good in the originality department...)
And, forget what I said above, I can't decide which one I like better.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 10:36:16 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 10:26:16 am
Leslie, How we doin' on stats today?

Stats Update:

The thread is currently 4th in both "replies" and "views."

We need 549 more replies to overtake NC17 and become no. 3 on that list. At our current posting rate, this should take about 5 days, but who knows, with two photoshop experts on the production team, things may heat up.

We need 250 more views to pass "the performance" and become no. 3 on that list. This should happen sometime today.

If anyone is wondering where I get this stuff, go to the main forum page and then scroll down all the way to the bottom. There is a section on "forum stats" with a link for more stats. Click that.

Another fun thing is to click on the "users online" and see what people are up to. At any given time, there are usually 4 or 5 people viewing the Ennis and Ellery thread.

Leslie
StatsChick
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 10:52:50 am
Now that last statistic is the one that gets me all excited.  Imagine at any given time four or five people looking at Francie Pants?

By the way I  have given up working on new things, considering it is above 96 degrees here, and I am peck pecking away on chapter 3.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 10:59:58 am
Quote from: louisev on July 19, 2006, 10:52:50 am
Now that last statistic is the one that gets me all excited.  Imagine at any given time four or five people looking at Francie Pants?

By the way I  have given up working on new things, considering it is above 96 degrees here, and I am peck pecking away on chapter 3.


Francie Pants is probably the reason WHY we have 4 or 5 people looking at this thread at any given moment...or Mr. Coyote....

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 11:30:02 am
Good morning E&E lovers!
Alberta is finally awake!  ;D
How are we doing today?

Well, I think the Chief Deputy likes the comments he has heard so far, so he is taking his tank off!!   :o
Wait until Mr Coyote comes home and sees this!!   ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/f3d78024.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 11:30:12 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/76244.html  "Chapter 3:  Busted Up"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 11:33:42 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 19, 2006, 11:30:02 am
Good morning E&E lovers!
Alberta is finally awake!  ;D
How are we doing today?
Good morning Alberta,
Down South, we are doing well, especially with Francie pants and blue boots to look at, PLUS - we just got an update and it's not even noon!

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 11:37:43 am
umm.... for whatever reason topless Francie pants didn't load the first time around.

WOWZER! :o

**must tear self away from screen to go read next chapter**
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 11:38:46 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 11:37:43 am
umm.... for whatever reason topless Francie pants didn't load the first time around.

WOWZER! :o

Lol...actually, I went back and added it to the post!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 11:47:58 am
man oh man, that chest, an update...life doesn't get any better than this!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 19, 2006, 11:54:48 am
Another very satisfyin' chapter!

I love the way Louise ends these chapters, including this one:

“Best news I had all day.”

heheh
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 12:24:30 pm
ya know, maybe we should charge money for viewing the more nakiditiy oriented posts here.  Phillip could make a fortune!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 12:39:55 pm
Is there a doctor in the house?  I have a medical question for you medical professionals regarding Ennis's injuries in his roll off the truck.  Please let me know by pm if I can consult you "on call".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 12:48:41 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 11:47:58 am
man oh man, that chest, an update...life doesn't get any better than this!

L

 I am a chest gal, and you sure said it ..."That chest" indeed!   :o
Gotta go back and thank this dude for his chest at least..(and David for posting him earlier)... ;)

(http://static.flickr.com/48/127717586_799fcb2997.jpg)

He transforms into a damn fine Ellery..(whose pic I am posting again just for kicks!)  :P
Ok..to see the chest again ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/f3d78024.jpg)

Jeez..I have to get to work!  :-\



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 01:03:37 pm
I am in awe of your Phantasy Photoshopping Skills!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 19, 2006, 01:13:16 pm
Don'tcha just want to run your tongue all over his chest?     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 19, 2006, 01:18:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 19, 2006, 12:39:55 pm
Is there a doctor in the house?  I have a medical question for you medical professionals regarding Ennis's injuries in his roll off the truck.  Please let me know by pm if I can consult you "on call".

You sure can Louise.  I think you handled the roll-out from the truck just right.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 01:29:51 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 19, 2006, 01:13:16 pm
Don'tcha just want to run your tongue all over his chest?     ;D

Sheeeeitt yess!  oops, didn't mean to say that aloud.  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 01:33:37 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/76495.html  "Chapter 4:  Calming Down"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 19, 2006, 01:44:24 pm

*** very minor spoiler ahead ***






Talk about a great way to end a chapter!

This is just too funny and too sweet:

“You must have really dry hands if you got ta keep that nearby all the time,” she said, picking it up with one hand, balancing the tray. “Belongs in the bathroom.”

“Uh, Edna...” Ennis blushed hotly. “Ain’t fer our hands.” She nearly dropped the tray, and set the jar back down carefully.

“Sorry, sorry.” He held out his hands for the tray and she retreated rapidly. “I got ta check the pie,” she said as she rushed back out of the room.

*Shouting and Roaring with Laughter!!!*

My dogs must be getting used to this - it didn't even scare them this time. ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 19, 2006, 01:45:09 pm



“Uh, Edna...” Ennis blushed hotly. “Ain’t fer our hands.”  ::)


You did it again Louise!
another great chapter, thanks

And wasn't it good of Ennis to think of the Red Stallion first, like he's really becoming part of the community. good one.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 19, 2006, 01:50:14 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 19, 2006, 01:44:24 pm

*Shouting and Roaring with Laughter!!!*


Fred, I think we are in complete agreement here
 :)

(simultaneous laughter on both sides of the atlantic)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 02:15:45 pm
Woohoo..more chapters!  :D  Cheers Louise!
Gotta save 'em for tonight's reading plehzha!! ....

Mr Francie Pants (? .. lol) was getting a lil cold back there, so he decided to put some clothes on!  :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ca7144e3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 02:35:46 pm
Louise,

I see another Mr Coyote has appeared on the performance thread!  ;D
I am the sheep trainer over there, so I got my eyes on you!!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 02:46:28 pm
The things I am able to track down! Click to read.... EDIT: Don't click, go down a few posts and read where Lucise has kindly resized it. Thanks, Milli!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_chart.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/chart.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 02:48:11 pm
muahahahahah Lucise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 02:50:08 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 02:46:28 pm
The things I am able to track down! Click to read....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_chart.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/chart.jpg)



well dang! doesnt that look official!  But most of the nurses I used to work with when I was an aid used stick figures!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 02:51:31 pm
It was quite huge when opened, so I resized it!  :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/57e3f9e4.jpg)


Another Prop! woohoo!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 02:53:34 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 19, 2006, 02:48:11 pm
muahahahahah Lucise!

*shudders from that evil laugh*  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 03:00:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 19, 2006, 02:50:08 pm
well dang! doesnt that look official!  But most of the nurses I used to work with when I was an aid used stick figures!

The drawings are from the MD. Documentation of the injuries, since he knows this chart will likely become part of the investigation from the Sheriff's office.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 03:13:54 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 02:46:28 pm
The things I am able to track down! Click to read.... EDIT: Don't click, go down a few posts and read where Lucise has kindly resized it. Thanks, Milli!

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_chart.jpg


Leslie - did you make those drawings... Hah hah!  (my dog drawings are just as, um, bad.)

12x15cm - holy moly that's pretty big!?!
(would they have CTed his head in the '80s?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 03:20:17 pm
I had a head injury in the early 1980's and I sure as heck got a CT scan.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 03:23:35 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 03:13:54 pm
Leslie - did you make those drawings... Hah hah!  (my dog drawings are just as, um, bad.)

12x15cm - holy moly that's pretty big!?!
(would they have CTed his head in the '80s?)

According to a quick hx I just read, CT was pretty widely available by 1980 so yes, a CT scan would be likely. The whole note is actually very brief and incomplete (I wanted to keep it to one page). Note: no mention of the bruises on his neck from where the guy choked him. And given this was an assault that will be part of an ongoing investigation, the real note would likely be pages and pages to make sure it is a real CYA situation.

Like those drawings? That Dr. Wellins, he's quite the artist!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 19, 2006, 03:24:53 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 19, 2006, 01:13:16 pm
Don'tcha just want to run your tongue all over his chest?     ;D


AND a few other parts----OMG----I wanted to say how funny it is that some minds think alike---but...........! OMG
IT is HOT in here today!! ;)


Fans face with hand as ROFLMA
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 03:33:57 pm
Well, I was just wondering if Ennis should have a CT scan...

I guess maybe he didn't have a head injury, per se.

Come to think of it I got a concussion bad enough to erase about 6 hours of my memory (and it was in the late 80s) and I went to the doctor's but didn't get a CT scan...

the medical side of me is just pondering.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 03:34:45 pm
Another for the gallery.

EDNA'S COMMON APPLE PIE

This is my recipe for a straightforward apple pie. It reflects not only my preferences but also countless influences. It is intentionally imprecise because there are so many variables to consider. To get it right, you pretty much have to taste as you go along or trust your instincts.

Double 9-inch Butter and Lard Crust, unbaked

For the filling:
8 or 9 large apples of several different cooking varieties (Delicious apples will NOT do), peeled, cored, and thinly sliced
Juice of 1 large lemon
Sugar
Ground cinnamon
Pinch of both ground mace and ground nutmeg
Unsalted butter
1 large egg white beaten with a little water, for brushing

For the Butter and Lard Crust:
3 cups sifted all-purpose flour, chilled
1/4 cup sugar (except for savory pie crusts)
Pinch of salt
8 tablespoons (1 stick) unsalted butter, chilled and cut into 8 pieces
1/3 cup lard, chilled and cut into small pieces
6 to 8 tablespoons iced water

To make the pie:
Preheat oven to 450° F.

Prepare the pastry. Line a 9-inch pie pan with half of the pastry and set aside in the refrigerator, along with the unrolled half, while you make the filling. Taste a few slices of the apples to gauge how much sugar you'll need to make them sweet. In a large bowl, mix the apple slices in the lemon juice. Sprinkle with sugar and cinnamon to taste, then add the mace and nutmeg. Pour the apple mixture into the prepared pastry shell. Mound toward the center and dot with butter. Roll out the remaining pastry and carefully lay it over the apples. Seal the edges, cut vent holes, and decorate with extra pieces of dough cut into decorative shapes. Brush the egg wash over the surface of the pastry. Place the pie pan on a baking sheet (to catch any spill over) and cook in the middle of the oven for 10 minutes. Turn the oven down to 350° F. and continue to cook for about another hour, until the top crust is a beautiful golden brown. If the edges start to darken too much, cover with a ribbon of aluminum foil.

To make the butter and lard crust:
Combine the flour, sugar, and salt in the bowl of a food processor fitted with the metal blade. With the top off, sprinkle the butter and lard over the ingredients. Re-cover and pulse a few times until small clumps form. Begin to add the iced water through the feed tube, 1 tablespoon at a time, pulsing quickly until the dough begins to form into a ball. Turn the dough out onto a sheet of plastic wrap. As you wrap the dough in the plastic, form it into a disk. Refrigerate for 30 minutes.

Take the dough from the refrigerator and cut it into 2 pieces, one slightly bigger than the other. Wrap the smaller piece in plastic wrap and return to the refrigerator. Roll out the bigger piece on a lightly floured surface until it's slightly larger than the pie pan. Drape one end of the dough over the pin and gently lift it up, then slip the pan underneath the dough and lower it into the pan. Press the dough gently — and quickly — against the sides of the pan. Leave about an inch of dough hanging over the sides of the pan and cut any excess away. Refrigerate the crust for at least 30 minutes before either filling or prebaking.

If you are making a pie with a top crust, after you have filled the pie, take the smaller disk from the refrigerator and roll it out on a lightly floured surface until it's a little bigger than the pie. Drape one end of the dough over the rolling pin, lift it gently, then drape it over the top of the filling. Press the edges together and crimp to seal. Slash a few vents across the top of the crust to allow steam to escape and bake the pie according to the directions in the recipe you are using. (If you are not making a pie with a top crust, either freeze the second dough disk or make an extra bottom crust.) Makes a double 9-inch crust

Serves 6.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 03:38:32 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 03:33:57 pm
Well, I was just wondering if Ennis should have a CT scan...

I guess maybe he didn't have a head injury, per se.

Come to think of it I got a concussion bad enough to erase about 6 hours of my memory (and it was in the late 80s) and I went to the doctor's but didn't get a CT scan...

the medical side of me is just pondering.

Given that he jumped out of a truck, I would think they'd be all over him with a zillion x-rays, CT scans and who knows what else. On the other hand, the story says he was in and out of the ER in one hour (now we know this is fiction! LOL). The type of work-up that he really needed probably couldn't be done in an hour but we know the storyteller Louise wanted to get him home, not have him hang out at the hospital all day. And home is much more fun, anyway  ;)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 03:41:54 pm
He didnt hit his head, per se.  He was alert and had been alert for hours without any specific pain except the beer bottle bashing.  And the Bouncer Glare, as well as the Sheriff Himself sitting in the waiting room, does wonders for speeding up a mid-morning ER visit.

FICTION! I love it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 19, 2006, 04:01:59 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 19, 2006, 02:51:31 pm
It was quite huge when opened, so I resized it!  :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/57e3f9e4.jpg)


Another Prop! woohoo!

Leslie, Dr. Wellins did a bang up job!  Where I practiced in 1984 in a town of 10,000 we didn't have a CT scan available and the neurologic exam had to do.  And Dr. Wellins was quite thorough, especially recording that the pupils were round, regular and equal and responded to light and accomodation.  Sitting in a rural town, we had to go by physical signs and follow them for changes.  Ennis and Ellery were also probably instructed to watch for changes in state of consciousness.  Laramie has some good docs there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 19, 2006, 04:02:35 pm
Another thing you all have to remember---Ennis rides, and all riders know how to fall, they instinctively tuck and roll, or break and spread depending, to protect your head and neck everything else heals okay usually--cause coming off a moving horse going 10 to 15 mph and being thrown from 8 to 12 feet off the ground and hitting it-is just like the 35mph and 4 feet off the tailgate--this is NOT Ennis' first time contact with hitting the ground moving.  Trust me!!!

Every one who has ever been bucked off a bad horse--hits the ground and actually very few are really hurt bad considering how often it happens.
I have gotten hurt worse having them fall with me than I ever have been being bucked off---and I have jumped out off a few moving vehicles too--though not for the same reasons as Ennis---sometimes shit happens.
Ennis has had all these bruises before and will have them again--cause it is unavoidable--and when it happens---you fall the best you can and it does help you avoid injury.


You know something else occured to me during that last chapter---IF these are the same guys who went after JIm---they are not doing their homework--or are really ignorant---cause Jim wasn't really gay---being a probable PI, he may have made other enemies---but he wasn't in Laramie very long, and they made a mistake with him if it was them.   However, the Hate crime involving Wilkes is probably more important, cause that puts the offense on another level.  just a thought.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 04:08:58 pm
Wow Ranchgal, I feel like I am so much smarter than I was when I wrote that chapter!  Thanks for telling me what a good job I am accidentally doing....  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 19, 2006, 04:20:11 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/76738.html  "Chapter 5:  Too Close to Home"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 19, 2006, 04:21:07 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 17, 2006, 12:50:46 pm
PastorFred you have hit the nail on the head. After all the sturm und drang of BBM Ellery and Ennis are in a safe harbour together. That has been immensely comforting to me. Ellery makes Ennis feel safe.

Maybe I was speaking too soon!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 04:35:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 19, 2006, 04:08:58 pm
Wow Ranchgal, I feel like I am so much smarter than I was when I wrote that chapter!  Thanks for telling me what a good job I am accidentally doing....  ;D

I'm glad to know that I wasn't off the mark either in my supposition that he wouldn't have been seriously injured... (he's lucky none of the glass from the beer bottle got in his eye though! that happened to my dad once, well not from a beer bottle, anyhow, I'll go read now)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 19, 2006, 05:33:45 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 19, 2006, 04:21:07 pm
Maybe I was speaking too soon!

I think it's just that Ennis and Ellery are better and safer together than either could ever be alone. Safe harbor is to be found in each other.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 06:03:46 pm
EDNA'S "Oooops! I Discovered the Vaseline!" COLE SLAW

Can be prepared in 45 minutes or less.

1 Granny Smith apple
1/2 medium green cabbage, halved lengthwise and sliced very thin
 (about 4 cups)
1/2 medium red cabbage, halved lengthwise and sliced very thin
 (about 4 cups)
2 carrots, shredded fine

Dressing
1/2 cup mayonnaise
1 tablespoon honey
2 teaspoons cider vinegar
1/2 teaspoon salt

In a large bowl, whisk together dressing ingredients.

Shred apple coarse and add to dressing with cabbage and carrots. Toss cole slaw well.

Serves 8.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 19, 2006, 06:09:57 pm
I'm surprized that Ennis didn't blush when Edna saw the vasoline on the nightstand and say that it was for chapped lips!   LOL.  After all, he is so private about everything else! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 19, 2006, 06:14:13 pm
Many pages ago I asked the biscuit question.  (This is ONE fast moving thread since I only asked the question yesterday!)  Thanks for your reply.  I did get the Pillsbury brand’s biscuits, and they were not quite as good as I expected.  Now I seriously doubt my ability to follow simply baking instructions. :)  Anywho, thanks!  I may give the frozen ones a try.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 19, 2006, 06:18:33 pm
I have to show off a little bit here as I (again) successfully guessed who is behind the attack in the chat room yesterday ;D.  Now let’s all wait and see how Louise is going to tell the story to us.

I am looking forward for some kissin’ and cuddlin’ for Ennis and Ellery.  With everything going on lately, they sure can use some.  Yeehaw for the next chapter tomorrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Phillip Dampier on July 19, 2006, 06:20:57 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 19, 2006, 06:18:33 pm
I have to show off a little bit here as I (again) successfully guessed who is behind the attack in the chat room yesterday ;D.  Now let’s all wait and see how Louise is going to tell the story to us.

An attack in the chat room?  If this is a reference to the old chat system and the unwanted spam we got the other night, that was a break in at the server company, and was not directed at BetterMost, but rather all of their clients.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 06:24:43 pm
Quote from: Phillip on July 19, 2006, 06:20:57 pm
An attack in the chat room?  If this is a reference to the old chat system and the unwanted spam we got the other night, that was a break in at the server company, and was not directed at BetterMost, but rather all of their clients.

I'm thinking that Jenny was referring to the story..regarding Ennis..
Am I correct?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 19, 2006, 06:30:38 pm
Syntax strikes again!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 19, 2006, 06:32:58 pm
Latest locations update, in alphabetical order:

Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)  (what heat?)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CST=EDT)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)

Anyone else? Anyone?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 19, 2006, 06:48:45 pm
Quote from: Phillip on July 19, 2006, 06:20:57 pm
An attack in the chat room?  If this is a reference to the old chat system and the unwanted spam we got the other night, that was a break in at the server company, and was not directed at BetterMost, but rather all of their clients.

Ooops, apologies Phillip.  I mean the attack on Ennis in Louise’s story.  I guessed who is behind that while we were chatting.  Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 07:04:25 pm
Quote from: Phillip on July 19, 2006, 06:20:57 pm
An attack in the chat room?  If this is a reference to the old chat system and the unwanted spam we got the other night, that was a break in at the server company, and was not directed at BetterMost, but rather all of their clients.

So, Phillip, the story is thus: Jenny and Louise and some of the rest of us were in chat, discussing Ellery and Ennis.  Jenny successfully guessed the character behind the attacks occurring in fictional Laramie, Wyoming.  In chat, she guess who was behind the attacks.  Make sense now?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 07:07:44 pm
Oops, I failed to notice Jenny's post immediately prior to mine... my bad. ::)

(for anyone that might miss me drooling over their fanart, or pointing out interesting coincidences in letters in the alphabet, I'll be out of town for a few days. back again soon!  take care!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 07:18:01 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 07:07:44 pm
Oops, I failed to notice Jenny's post immediately prior to mine... my bad. ::)

(for anyone that might miss me drooling over their fanart, or pointing out interesting coincidences in letters in the alphabet, I'll be out of town for a few days. back again soon!  take care!)

Kellery, we will miss you....

Hugs,
L
xoxo
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 19, 2006, 07:28:20 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 18, 2006, 11:00:15 pm
Lauren...Vienna, Maine? Shit, girl, we are practically neighbors! We must get together for a visit. Maybe we can persuade David to join us. He does have a new car after all.

Hey, Leslie, I would love to get together with you and David (even though you aren't as native as I am!  ;)). David, are you listening???

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 07:31:02 pm
Quote from: tamarack on July 19, 2006, 07:28:20 pm
Hey, Leslie, I would love to get together with you and David (even though you aren't as native as I am!  ;)). David, are you listening???



We should have another brokie get together. Lisa (BBMISWEAR) who has NOT gotten addicted to this story YET is in Maine right now, too....near Bridgton. We can sit around the fire, sip some whiskey...before the "Summer of David" ends.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 19, 2006, 07:31:56 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 19, 2006, 02:51:31 pm
It was quite huge when opened, so I resized it!  :)


Excuuuse me?  :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 07:33:14 pm
Quote from: tamarack on July 19, 2006, 07:31:56 pm

Excuuuse me?  :o

Tech talk, Tamarack, tech talk...LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 19, 2006, 07:34:45 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 07:31:02 pm
We should have another brokie get together. Lisa (BBMISWEAR) who has NOT gotten addicted to this story YET is in Maine right now, too....near Bridgton. We can sit around the fire, sip some whiskey...before the "Summer of David" ends.

L


Sounds good to me. Name the time and place...

(I gave birth to my only child in Bridgton. I've always held the place in high regard.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 07:38:13 pm
Quote from: tamarack on July 19, 2006, 07:34:45 pm

Sounds good to me. Name the time and place...

(I gave birth to my only child in Bridgton. I've always held the place in high regard.)

LOL...it will probably have to wait until I get back from London....since I leave Aug 1.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 19, 2006, 07:39:10 pm
Ranchgal - Thanks for the comments about the hats. I think that is what they must have been referring to. (Are you saying that women were held to the same "remove it out of respect" standards that men were? I find that interesting.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 19, 2006, 07:40:54 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 07:38:13 pm
LOL...it will probably have to wait until I get back from London....since I leave Aug 1.

Leslie

Sure 'nuf.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 19, 2006, 07:53:34 pm
Even when "Summer of Dave" is over, I'll just be working part time.  So a road trip may still be possible.   

So Les,  Where are you flying into?   Heathrow or Gatwick?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 08:47:35 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 19, 2006, 07:53:34 pm
Even when "Summer of Dave" is over, I'll just be working part time.  So a road trip may still be possible.   

So Les,  Where are you flying into?   Heathrow or Gatwick?

To be honest, I have no clue (off hand). I have the itinerary from hell, since I got this ticket with frequent flyer miles. Let's see....I need to leave Portland very early in the morning and get to Boston. Fly from Boston to Cincinnati. Hang out in Cincinnati for awhile, then fly to Cleveland. Fly from Cleveland to London...arrive approximately 24 hours after I have left my home in Portland.

Coming back...I need to get from London to Birmingham. Fly from Birmingham to Newark then Newark to Boston. Not quite as bad as the trip over...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 19, 2006, 08:58:39 pm
YIKES!   That is a longggg  way to get there!   

Delta Business Class Elite right?    It's the only way to cross the pond!    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 09:09:07 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 19, 2006, 08:58:39 pm
YIKES!   That is a longggg  way to get there!   

Delta Business Class Elite right?    It's the only way to cross the pond!    ;D

Delta FF miles, but I am actuallly flying Contiinental...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 09:25:36 pm
Hey Leslie, How long are you going to be in London?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 09:32:31 pm
While you are flying over the ocean, I'm sure you'll be thinking of ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ11_bw_2.jpg)


and...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/enn6.jpg)


(I noticed the last page had no pics on it, so thought I'd better work something in early on this page...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 09:34:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 19, 2006, 09:25:36 pm
Hey Leslie, How long are you going to be in London?  :)

Just shy of a week. I arrive in London on Wed 8/2, leave Mon 8/7

Everyone, you know Louise and I are getting together on 8/5-8/6. If there are any E&E friends who would be in the vicinity and want to get together....right now, our agenda is open!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 09:37:57 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 09:32:31 pm
While you are flying over the ocean, I'm sure you'll be thinking of ...



I'll be thinking of those pics...for sure...but since we'll be flying over the ocean I will be thinking about swimming Ellery...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/do.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 09:40:34 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 09:34:36 pm
Just shy of a week. I arrive in London on Wed 8/2, leave Mon 8/7

Everyone, you know Louise and I are getting together on 8/5-8/6. If there are any E&E friends who would be in the vicinity and want to get together....right now, our agenda is open!

L

How I wish I could be in the vicinity... :-\
*sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 09:46:38 pm
1900 Posts!!  :D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/AAngl.gif)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/b1073222.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/b1073222.gif)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 09:48:27 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 19, 2006, 09:46:38 pm
1900 Posts!!  :D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/AAngl.gif)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/b1073222.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/b1073222.gif)




For some reason, those fireworks look like boobs....LOL!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 09:54:48 pm
ATTENTION LUCISE! ATTENTION LUCISE!

I am desperate to see near naked Ennis with the horses again and I can't find the pic... please help me...please...

 :) ;D :) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 10:35:12 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 09:54:48 pm
ATTENTION LUCISE! ATTENTION LUCISE!

I am desperate to see near naked Ennis with the horses again and I can't find the pic... please help me...please...

 :) ;D :) ;D

 :laugh:  Ok..here ya go!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/enn5.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 10:36:41 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 19, 2006, 09:48:27 pm
For some reason, those fireworks look like boobs....LOL!!

Jee...Now that you mention it ...  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 10:40:26 pm
A new pic to celebrate our 1900+ posts ....  :-*


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/smileyseethruwave.gif)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/0c6c5d13.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 10:45:09 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 19, 2006, 10:35:12 pm
:laugh:  Ok..here ya go!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/enn5.jpg)
Thank you!  **breathes huge sigh of relief**
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 10:48:54 pm
Lucise, up there above, I think Ellery looks like he's saying "Damn, I am ready to fight some crime!"  and Ennis sorta looks like, "No need to be in a tizzy, Mr. Coyote will come after ya whenever ya want..."
 ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 19, 2006, 10:53:50 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 19, 2006, 06:32:58 pm
Latest locations update, in alphabetical order:

Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)  (what heat?)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CST=EDT)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)

Anyone else? Anyone?
Actually, we have Daylight Savings Time, so I am CDT same as RanchGal.  Sorry 'bout that...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 19, 2006, 11:28:51 pm
Quote from: tamarack on July 19, 2006, 07:39:10 pm
Ranchgal - Thanks for the comments about the hats. I think that is what they must have been referring to. (Are you saying that women were held to the same "remove it out of respect" standards that men were? I find that interesting.)


No they never really got as picky with the girls-but they didn't consider a cowboy hat a bonnet either--but when in people buildings I just did anyway, especially at cattle conferences and meetings, when you would probably be around both types,LOL and usually tried to leave mine at home.  Just made everything easier if I wasn't worried about what to do with it.
NO when women met people they were allowed to keep their hats on, anytime except church and the national anthem.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 19, 2006, 11:54:46 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 19, 2006, 10:48:54 pm
Lucise, up there above, I think Ellery looks like he's saying "Damn, I am ready to fight some crime!"  and Ennis sorta looks like, "No need to be in a tizzy, Mr. Coyote will come after ya whenever ya want..."
 ::)

They do keep each other grounded..dont they?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 04:09:43 am
Quote from: JennyC on July 19, 2006, 06:18:33 pm
I have to show off a little bit here as I (again) successfully guessed who is behind the attack in the chat room yesterday ;D.  Now let’s all wait and see how Louise is going to tell the story to us.

I am looking forward for some kissin’ and cuddlin’ for Ennis and Ellery.  With everything going on lately, they sure can use some.  Yeehaw for the next chapter tomorrow!


yes, she did.  Fortunately for all of us, Jenny was not around to guess what Edna was going to find in the bedroom when she went to serve Ennis his lunch!  She is 2 for 2 on figuring out my plot... her first correct plot guess was knowing who ended up in the ditch:  Jim Allen.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 20, 2006, 04:16:54 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 19, 2006, 06:09:57 pm
I'm surprized that Ennis didn't blush when Edna saw the vasoline on the nightstand and say that it was for chapped lips!   LOL.  After all, he is so private about everything else! 

I agree David but I don't think Ennis is English enough to think of response like that off the top of his head as it were!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 05:09:08 am
I put that scene there because only with Ennis beaten, drugged, and relaxing in his own bed would he ever be caught flat footed enough to blurt out that response!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 06:23:18 am
Stats...

74 views...we only need 74 views to pass the performance...and they tend to be quieter during the day. So we'll make that in no time. We are still creeping up on NC17 in replies and have a way to go...

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 20, 2006, 06:29:19 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 19, 2006, 10:40:26 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/smileyseethruwave.gif)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/0c6c5d13.jpg)


Oooo!    I think we found the cover artwork for the Hardcover book edition !!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 06:53:55 am
yes but I think the underwear model might object!  "Hey, that isn't Heath Ledger, that's... that's MY sixpack!"

Then he runs down to his agent... "Somebody stole my sixpack!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 20, 2006, 07:12:36 am
That's OK Louisev,   When we get Hugh and Heath to sign up for the Movie, we'll have them pose for the book cover too!   

David   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 07:24:06 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 20, 2006, 07:12:36 am
That's OK Louisev,   When we get Hugh and Heath to sign up for the Movie, we'll have them pose for the book cover too!   

David   ;)

I wish this could be a movie....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 20, 2006, 07:38:07 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 07:24:06 am
I wish this could be a movie....

Well, maybe we could get Diana Ossana hooked on E&E so she'll write the screenplay!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 07:40:43 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 20, 2006, 07:38:07 am
Well, maybe we could get Diana Ossana hooked on E&E so she'll write the screenplay!

I think Louise would do a fine job of writing the screenplay. She has the dialog down pat and the story is there. The problem will be how to condense the story (even if we do it as each book as a movie) into 120+ minutes. This is the challenge the Harry Potter folks faced...taking a very full, complete, and rich story and figuring out which elements were essential to translate it into a movie.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 20, 2006, 07:58:47 am
Well, I had suggested Diana Ossana only because she has the right connections already with Ang Lee,  James Shamus (at Focus Features)  and Heath.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 08:53:40 am
that's okay David, I forgive you    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 09:04:16 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 20, 2006, 07:58:47 am
Well, I had suggested Diana Ossana only because she has the right connections already with Ang Lee,  James Shamus (at Focus Features)  and Heath.  :)

Maybe if we just get all of them to look at this thread (after they have read the saga, of course) they'll realize what creative geniuses we all are and will pay US to be part of this project. LOL

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 20, 2006, 10:25:39 am
Quote from: Quiplash on July 19, 2006, 10:53:50 pm
Actually, we have Daylight Savings Time, so I am CDT same as RanchGal.  Sorry 'bout that...

Got it, Quip. It'll be on the next update!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 10:28:48 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 19, 2006, 06:32:58 pm
Latest locations update, in alphabetical order:

Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)  (what heat?)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CST=EDT)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)

Anyone else? Anyone?

Neatfreak, two more to add:

Magicmountain, who is is Sydney, Australia (or will be when she is done traveling)...time? Not sure. I think they are 12 or 14 hours ahead of EDT.
Opinionista, who is in Madrid, Spain. I believe Madrid is the same time as Louise in Germany.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 20, 2006, 10:35:42 am
Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)  (what heat?)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Magicmountain:  Sydney, Australia (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista: Madrid, Spain (CET?=EDT+6)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 10:55:49 am
Stats Update:

Just a few minutes ago, we passed "The Perfomance" in number of views (currently at 10973) so now this thread is the third most viewed on Bettermost.

We continue to be in 4th place for most replies.

Next goal: to be second most viewed, we need to pass "Lines from BBM Visualized." We only need about 1100 views to do that...not too hard.

To get to 3rd place in replies, we need 450 more posts (at the rate of 50/day, that would take 9 days) to pass the NC17 thread.

Leslie
StatsChick
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 20, 2006, 11:50:40 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 07:24:06 am
I wish this could be a movie....

Yes Leslie I completly agree with you... I do too. As we would say in the UK, this story is a real corker!!  :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 20, 2006, 12:00:31 pm
Howdy folks!  How's it hanging?  ;D

The Laramie Saga doesn't have to be condensed into 120 minutes. 
I wouldn't want any valuable plots or dialogue to be lost..
We could have The Laramie Saga 1 for Books 1 & 2, then The Laramie Saga 2 for Books 3 & 4...
Could make some good $$ too!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 12:15:08 pm
Since we're talking movies, I thought I would resurrect this little nugget, which I found buried about 1400 posts ago...re-enjoy, everyone!
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For absolutely no reason at all, except to give people a Saturday afternoon laugh, I offer the following.

Telephone conversation between Heath Ledger and Joe Albierti, his agent. (Disclaimer: I really don't know the name of Heath's agent.)

-----------------------------------

“Hullo?” said Heath, answering the phone on its third ring.

“Hey, Heath, it’s Joe,” came the booming voice of his agent. “How’s it hanging?”

Heath winced. Ever since Brokeback Mountain, certain expressions just didn’t seem funny anymore. “I’m fine, Joe,” said Heath. “How about you?”

“Fine, fine, fine. Now, listen Heath, I have a project I want to talk to you about. You want to chat now or get together in person?”

“Chat now is fine,” said Heath. “I’m not in the middle of anything.” Actually, he’d been thinking about going to the market to buy some vegetables and pasta for a primavera, but that could wait.

“All right,” said Joe. “So, you know how Brokeback made such a buzz, blew everyone’s socks off and people have been talking sequel for months now.”

“I know,” said Heath, “but how can there be a sequel? Jack is dead. No way to bring him back to life, now, is there? This isn’t the TV show Dallas.”

Joe laughed at that. “You’re absolutely right,” he said, “but there is the possibility of picking up the story where it ends…or maybe a few years later.”

“And…” said Heath, leaving the thought unfinished.

“Well,” said Joe, “we’ve had a bunch of interns working in the office, scouring the Internet for possible stories.”

“Scouring the Internet?” said Heath, not clearly following Joe’s train of thought.

“Yeah,” replied Joe. “There are lots of Brokeback fans out there, writing stories that pick up on the original. Some change the ending, some having Jack surviving.”

“Oh,” said Heath. “You mean fanfic. You guys are looking at fanfic for a possible sequel to Brokeback?”

“You know about fanfic?” said Joe.

“I’ve heard about it, yeah,” responded Heath.

“So, yes, we’re looking at fanfic as a possible source of a story. Now, most of what we have found won’t work, but we’ve come across this one story that would. And we’re thinking of optioning it for a movie.”

“So what’s the premise?” asked Heath.

“It picks up in 1984, two years after Jack’s death. Ennis has been basically alone, spending some time with Junior. Y’know, poor as shit, nothing much has changed. Then he does some reading, this and that, ends up in a gay bar in Laramie.”

“And…?” said Heath, urging Joe to continue.

“He meets a guy, eventually they get together, have a relationship. The guy’s name is Ellery.”

“Doesn’t sound like much of a story, Joe. Not enough to carry a whole movie.”

“Well, that’s the core of it for Ennis. There’s lots of other stuff going on. The guy, Ellery, is  a cop and gets involved in trying to find out what happened to Jack, if he was murdered. And he owns the gay bar, too, so there’s that whole angle of the story. As a matter of fact,” he said, pausing, “there’s way too much story for a movie. We’d have to cut some of it down. Right now the author is on her fourth book, it is turning into an epic.”

“Wow,” said Heath. “Sounds interesting.” He paused for a minute. “You said it takes place after the story, right? So I’d be old Ennis.”

“Yes, you’d be 40, 41. He has a birthday in the story, actually.”

“I didn’t like old Ennis,” said Heath. “I didn’t like all that latex shit they put on my face, and making my hair look like straw.”

Joe laughed. “Well, we could work it out to make you look younger, probably. Ennis falls really hard for this guy Ellery. He’d be really happy, that would take some of the age out of his face. Oh, and about the hair…your curls would be back. Ellery likes Ennis’s curls.”

Heath paused for a minute, letting it all sink in, then he asked, “Would Jake be back?”

“He might—for a small part. There are a few flashback scenes that might get included.”

“What about Ellery? Any thought of who’d play his character?”

“Yes, as a matter of fact,” said Joe, “there’s talk about Hugh Jackman. Know him?”

“I’ve met him a few times,” said Heath. “Seems like a nice guy. Never worked with him, though.” He paused. “How did Jackman’s name come up?”

Joe took a breath. “Actually, in addition to the story on the Internet, there’s this—I guess you’d call it a fan club—and they have been busy casting the production. Jackman seems like a good choice. He’s got the right look. Ellery’s tall, very thin, grey eyes, black hair…”

They were both silent for a minute, then Joe continued. “Now, one thing I have to tell you, Heath…there’s more sex in this story than there was in Brokeback. In other words, you need to get used to the idea of more than 90 seconds in a tent and one hot reunion kiss.”

Heath laughed softly. “And where did this come from?”

“Audience feedback. They wanted more and since this story has a happy ending, we can give them more.”

“Is there sex in the story? The one on the Internet, I mean?” said Heath.

“Ohhhh yes,” said Joe. “Lots. Rather explicit, as a matter of fact. We’d need to tone it down for the movie.”

“Rather explicit?” said Heath. “That sounds more like slash, not fanfic.”

“Oh,” said Joe. “You know the difference?”

Heath sounded exasperated. “I haven’t been living under a rock, you know. Yes, I know the difference. I also know what RPS is, too, and yes, I’ve read a few of the stories.”

Joe laughed. “Maybe we should let you do the scouring, forget the interns.” Heath chuckled along with this comment. “So, Heath, still interested?”

“Maybe. I’d like to read the story. Send me an email with the link and I’ll get started on it tonight.”

“Okay,” said Joe, “will do. But let me warn you, you might not want to start reading until you have about three days of your life to devote to this. It is rather addicting.”

Heath laughed. “Thanks for the warning. Send me the link. And send me the link to the fan club, too. Maybe I’ll drop in for a visit.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 20, 2006, 12:15:54 pm
OH NOOO!! We and the Performance are neck in neck on number of views!

                                           :o

The last time I checked, they were ahead by two...

Please keep looking at the latest E&E postings, and keep adding interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 12:17:21 pm
11000 views! Whopee!!

But yes, the performance folks are busy this morning...need to establish a definite lead....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lynne on July 20, 2006, 12:27:11 pm
Leslie,
Thanks for the scene with Heath and his agent ;)  I hadn't seen that before!  Very cute.
-Lynne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 12:28:28 pm
soo... am I a traitor of I go over and catch up on the Performance thread?  Need to know basis here, folks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 12:33:37 pm
Quote from: Lynne on July 20, 2006, 12:27:11 pm
Leslie,
Thanks for the scene with Heath and his agent ;)  I hadn't seen that before!  Very cute.
-Lynne

Thanks, Lynne.

We're still hoping that Heath drops in for a visit...and de-lurks!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 20, 2006, 12:36:23 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 20, 2006, 12:28:28 pm
soo... am I a traitor of I go over and catch up on the Performance thread?  Need to know basis here, folks.

Just be sure that you only add a single view in the process, and don't post any more than you absolutely have to!

And we want to hear the sweet sound of typity typie typing in the background, of course...
                                                 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 12:38:05 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 20, 2006, 12:36:23 pm
Just be sure that you only add a single view in the process, and don't post any more than you absolutely have to!

And we want to hear the sweet sound of typity typie typing in the background, of course...
                                                 ;D

We truly are neck and neck. I feel like I'm in the Kentucky Derby....LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 20, 2006, 12:38:41 pm
I am curious..how many of us actually go back to previous pages and read them all over again?  :)
I mean, we are on page 130 now ... do we all go back and revisit our old posts?
I do... ;)


Which also reminds me ... our last gallery update was 30+ pages ago... :o
An update is due very soon ... we have some new recipes and few props...
Anyone have any other additions for our fab gallery?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 20, 2006, 12:42:06 pm
I,ve got a great pic of Hugh Jackman.. sorry to be dense here, but I have no idea how to post it. Help? Thanks
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 12:42:32 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 20, 2006, 12:38:41 pm
I am curious..how many of us actually go back to previous pages and read them all over again?  :)
I mean, we are on page 130 now ... do we all go back and revisit our old posts?
I do... ;)


Which also reminds me ... our last gallery update was 30+ pages ago... :o
An update is due very soon ... we have some new recipes and few props...
Anyone have any other additions for our fab gallery?  :)


I actually will have something later today...and interesting document has resurfaced but because of its historical significance, it is with the conservator right now. Once she is finished her preservation and restoration processes it will be posted, but that might take a few hours. So, Milli, if you could hold off on the props gallery for a bit, I'd appreciate it...People, recipes are fine. I don't think I'll have any new recipes to contribute today.

Leslie
PropMistress
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 12:43:49 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 20, 2006, 12:38:41 pm
I am curious..how many of us actually go back to previous pages and read them all over again?  :)
I mean, we are on page 130 now ... do we all go back and revisit our old posts?
I do... ;)


For me to find that old post of mine, I had to do a search on it. Even in my profile I had too many to go back through, and I couldn't remember the date I posted it. Fortunately, I remembered the agent's name was Albierti.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 12:45:23 pm
Slave Drivers!!!  Okay folks, I am situated in the Chat Room and typity type typing away.

Any guesses on the fingerprints?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 12:51:30 pm
You ain't kidding we're slave drivers, and since we're resurrecting old stuff...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Negative20image20of20person20chaine.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 12:55:23 pm
Lucise...speaking of galleries....

You know the little rebus/stories that have been posted--each one of those is a post. Is there any way to gather those together in a gallery?

Alternatively (this is just a thought) we could start a thread with just the stories...not sure if that is a good idea or not. Thinking out loud here.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 20, 2006, 01:44:40 pm
Quote from: Jane on July 20, 2006, 12:42:06 pm
I,ve got a great pic of Hugh Jackman.. sorry to be dense here, but I have no idea how to post it. Help? Thanks

Jane -
if you have the picture saved on your computer, you can just attach it to your post ...

-Click the Additional Options.. Link that you see below the textbox in which you type your post...
-You will then see the Attach textfield, click on the browse button beside it and go to the location on your computer where the picture is saved. Select the image and you should see the path to the image in the Attach textfield.
- If you have more pictures to add, just click the More attachments link beside the browse button and repeat do the same thing.
That is all there is to it.

Hope this helps!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 20, 2006, 01:46:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 12:55:23 pm
Lucise...speaking of galleries....

You know the little rebus/stories that have been posted--each one of those is a post. Is there any way to gather those together in a gallery?

Alternatively (this is just a thought) we could start a thread with just the stories...not sure if that is a good idea or not. Thinking out loud here.

Leslie

I'll update the galleries later this evening when I get home..

Leslie, which stories are you referring to? 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 01:51:12 pm
Interesting Medical Trivia

K-Y Jelly is a water-based, water-soluble personal lubricant produced by Johnson & Johnson, containing carboxymethyl cellulose, sodium alginate and EDTA. The initials "K-Y" are not known to represent any words, but are retained for their brand-identity.

Created in 1917 and then named Jelly Personal Lubricant, the jelly's popularity began with medical use, where it was often chosen by doctors because of its natural base. In contrast with petroleum-based lubricants, K-Y is generally biologically inert, and contains no colour or perfume additives. The lubricant has proved extremely popular as it does not stain and is easily cleaned up.

K-Y became available to the public in 1980 and was sold over the counter as a sexual lubricant. It does not react with latex condoms or silicone-based sex toys, unlike Vaseline, which does. Vaseline is not recommended for use as a safe sexual lubricant; being oil-based it destroys the effectiveness of latex condoms. It can be used, however, as a personal lubricant in the absence of condoms.

With the emergence of the AIDS crisis in the late 70s/early 80s, there was a growing awareness of the need for products (such as K-Y) that didn't react with latex. Now, we have gone from basically having two choices to having, as one website describes it, "zillions of different kinds of lubes out there."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 01:52:46 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 20, 2006, 01:46:06 pm
I'll update the galleries later this evening when I get home..

Leslie, which stories are you referring to? 



The little picture and word stories...Yesterday was "Poor Ennis!" with the noggin and stockings; I did one on Christmas shopping (with the microwave and robe); Ellery's wardrobe (with the red socks). There may be others and not sure if other folks have created any...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 20, 2006, 01:55:28 pm
Hope you like this pic guys. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 20, 2006, 01:56:17 pm
Thank you Lucise!!! Like it?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 20, 2006, 02:00:52 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 01:52:46 pm
The little picture and word stories...Yesterday was "Poor Ennis!" with the noggin and stockings; I did one on Christmas shopping (with the microwave and robe); Ellery's wardrobe (with the red socks). There may be others and not sure if other folks have created any...

Leslie

Oh...duh..yah I know what you mean now!  ;D
Yes, we have quite a few of those pic-word stories ...
I remember the ones you did, I think I did a few too...
Sure, I'll put them together too for our next gallery update!  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 02:01:12 pm
Quote from: Jane on July 20, 2006, 01:55:28 pm
Hope you like this pic guys. ;)

That is a fabulous pic, but funny how different he looks, isn't it? Change the hair a little bit, grow a few whiskers...amazing.

Thanks for sharing, Jane, and now you know how to do pictures. Watch out, it is addicting!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 20, 2006, 02:01:34 pm
Quote from: Jane on July 20, 2006, 01:56:17 pm
Thank you Lucise!!! Like it?  ;)

Love it!  I have some pics from that photoshoot, but not that one!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 02:07:12 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/76994.html  "Chapter 6:  Fugitive"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 02:22:55 pm
oh boy, oh boy, afternoon break time...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 20, 2006, 02:37:27 pm
Spoiler (?)





“Now this is what I walked all that way in the thorns an brambles for, boy,” Ennis said, nibbling his mouth. “Couldn’t stop thinkin about how this’d taste when I finally got back to ya.”

Awwwww....that's just so sweet.

Also, I'm impressed. Louise doesn't seem to leave any loose plot - strands ... I never would have guessed about the print.
But, that seems to lead us back to square one ....

We need a suspect (and also, we need Ennis to get better real quick, so he and Ellery can have some fun together  ;)



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 20, 2006, 02:42:09 pm
Quote from: RonitR on July 20, 2006, 02:37:27 pm
Spoiler (?)





“Now this is what I walked all that way in the thorns an brambles for, boy,” Ennis said, nibbling his mouth. “Couldn’t stop thinkin about how this’d taste when I finally got back to ya.”

Awwwww....that's just so sweet.

Also, I'm impressed. Louise doesn't seem to leave any loose plot - strands ... I never would have guessed about the print.
But, that seems to lead us back to square one ....

We need a suspect (and also, we need Ennis to get better real quick, so he and Ellery can have some fun together  ;)





There really is a lot of E&E sweetness, isn't there?

And there can't be too much...

But I'm not too worried about how quickly Ennis improves for the sake of their fun and games and lovemaking. They always seem to manage.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 03:07:04 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/77284.html  "Chapter 7:  More Turnover"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 20, 2006, 03:31:16 pm
O goody!  More chapters!  Yessssss!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 04:08:16 pm
Hi everyone,

Message from Louise....she is temporarily locked out of Bettermost (we are working on figuring out that problem). It is late in Germany, she is wrapping up for the day, so no new chapters will be posted tonight. Let's enjoy what we got today!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 20, 2006, 04:20:06 pm
SPOILERS!


What a busy day!

Leons still in Jail,
Ennis is home safe and sound,
Rudy got fired,
and Gabe didn't get to um, finish his visit. 

All's well and ends well in Laramie tonight.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 04:51:01 pm
and Rudy got arrested too...

And Chuck is on the lam!

And I got logged back in!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 20, 2006, 04:51:10 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 04:08:16 pm
Hi everyone,

Message from Louise....she is temporarily locked out of Bettermost (we are working on figuring out that problem). It is late in Germany, she is wrapping up for the day, so no new chapters will be posted tonight. Let's enjoy what we got today!

Leslie

hunnnnhh?   locked out?  ???


EDIT:
Ah...I see Louise is safely logged in and back with us!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2006, 05:07:44 pm
yes, it was dumb, my caps lock was on.  It wouldnt take my password because I was capslocked.

*shhh* dont tell anyone.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 05:59:23 pm
Stats Update:

We have passed both "The Performance" and "Lines from BBM Visualized" to be the no. 2 most viewed thread at Bettermost. The number one position is the ABC game...not sure we'll ever catch them!

We need just a bit more than 400 posts to pass NC17 and become no. 3 in most replies.

Leslie
StatsChick
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 20, 2006, 09:31:18 pm
Ennis is sitting there, scratched and bruised, not feeling quite 100% and he remembered the roses Ellery had given him to apologize....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/1120.jpg)

While he is thinking, he pulls out the card Ellery sent with the roses...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/flowercard.jpg)

The exciting thing for us...we get to see Ellery's handwriting....wooeee!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 20, 2006, 10:14:16 pm
Ellery writes like a doctor! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 20, 2006, 11:07:19 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on July 20, 2006, 10:14:16 pm
Ellery writes like a doctor! ;D

My thoughts exactly..lol!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 21, 2006, 02:04:11 am
Erm guys, I know it,s VERY hot over here in the UK and maybe it,s the heat thats made me totally loose my marbles, but I posted a lovely pic of Hugh Jackman yesterday and everytime I look I cant see it!! :o :o Can anyone else see it or is just me?   :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 21, 2006, 02:59:45 am
Quote from: Jane on July 21, 2006, 02:04:11 am
Erm guys, I know it,s VERY hot over here in the UK and maybe it,s the heat thats made me totally loose my marbles, but I posted a lovely pic of Hugh Jackman yesterday and everytime I look I cant see it!! :o :o Can anyone else see it or is just me?   :-\

Jane, it is still there .. :)
At the end of page 130.. check it out!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 21, 2006, 03:32:04 am
Quote from: louisev on July 20, 2006, 05:07:44 pm
yes, it was dumb, my caps lock was on.  It wouldnt take my password because I was capslocked.

*shhh* dont tell anyone.


*giggles*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 03:45:10 am
Helen, don't you be giggling at me now... it is HOT here.  HOT HOT HOT!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 21, 2006, 04:11:08 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 21, 2006, 02:59:45 am
Jane, it is still there .. :)
At the end of page 130.. check it out!

Lucise I swear to you when I just looked I cant see it!! There just isnt a pic any more!! FFS I know it,s very hot over here but my brain cant have melted completly surely?? Hang on.. idea.  Ooooooerrr, you know what is even more weird? I can see it when I,ve logged in, but not when I havnt!!!! Why should that be then?  :-\ Oh well, 2 pics is better than one.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 05:13:33 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 20, 2006, 11:07:19 pm
My thoughts exactly..lol!

Nah, that ain't doctor handwriting, that's sexy cop writing! LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 21, 2006, 05:17:30 am
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 03:45:10 am
Helen, don't you be giggling at me now... it is HOT here.  HOT HOT HOT!

You know the words HOT and GERMANY go together as well as HOT and UK.....i.e. not very.

I wonder what it's like in Oslo....

(hehe, I just checked, it's 23C there today, 26C tomorrow....positively chilly. LOL)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 05:21:41 am
Quote from: Jane on July 21, 2006, 04:11:08 am
Lucise I swear to you when I just looked I cant see it!! There just isnt a pic any more!! FFS I know it,s very hot over here but my brain cant have melted completly surely?? Hang on.. idea.  Ooooooerrr, you know what is even more weird? I can see it when I,ve logged in, but not when I havnt!!!! Why should that be then?  :-\ Oh well, 2 pics is better than one.  ;)

that pic should come with a caption:

"Hey there Mr. Coyote, I'm sittin up here on this counter doin nothin, an what are you gonna do about it?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 05:58:43 am
Quote from: Helen on July 21, 2006, 05:17:30 am
You know the words HOT and GERMANY go together as well as HOT and UK.....i.e. not very.

I wonder what it's like in Oslo....

(hehe, I just checked, it's 23C there today, 26C tomorrow....positively chilly. LOL)

We were in Norway last summer from Aug 1 to Aug 16. I never once put on a pair of shorts. Even so, I thought the weather was perfect...sunny, warm, not hot.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 21, 2006, 06:04:20 am
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 05:21:41 am
that pic should come with a caption:

"Hey there Mr. Coyote, I'm sittin up here on this counter doin nothin, an what are you gonna do about it?"

Hahaha nice one I like that lol.  Apparantly, for that role,(so I read) the poor guy had to do a fULL body wax!! :o :o AND, if that isnt bad enough, they wanted him to wax his ermmmm, you know, spherical objects.  :o :o  I think he declined  on that one though. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 21, 2006, 06:47:02 am
Jane,  I've heard of waxed Apples, but thats' not how guys do it!   LOL.

A lot of guys like smooth Apples.  But just a simple disposable razor does the trick.   No man likes to see a straight blade used in proximity to the family jewels!    Wax?  Yikes!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 07:34:13 am
Quote from: Jane on July 21, 2006, 06:04:20 am
Hahaha nice one I like that lol.  Apparantly, for that role,(so I read) the poor guy had to do a fULL body wax!! :o :o AND, if that isnt bad enough, they wanted him to wax his ermmmm, you know, spherical objects.  :o :o  I think he declined  on that one though. ;)

Who needed a full body wax, for what role?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 07:35:41 am
Everyone,

Louise and I have a bit of news...we have been made co-moderators of the FanFiction Forum here at Bettermost. Up until now, that forum has not had any moderator at all and has been sort of languishing. We hope to change that!

We've written a welcome message (it is at the top of the forum) and outlined a few guidelines. Our goal is to attract both authors and readers who like to discuss stories...keep it lively, keep it fun, sort of like what we have going on here.

Although we all love the Laramie Saga, it isn't the only story in the BBM fanfic universe. Please join us over there to discuss stories, and encourage friends, especially those who might not know about Bettermost, to join us!

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 07:36:31 am
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 07:34:13 am
Who needed a full body wax, for what role?

I believe Hugh Jackman for X-Men
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 07:37:54 am
i wasnt aware that X-Men required nakididity.  Now Hugh Jackman plucked is something I might pay to see.  I wonder if it isin theaters in Germany....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 21, 2006, 08:22:20 am
Re: Gabe  & Ellery's ex's

Ellery's ex's keep bouncing back like a series of bad checks…
I am constantly amazed at what bad love- life decisions a smart, well-educated man like Ellery kept making (excluding Ennis, naturally).
Beagle the disappearing nut-case, Bill the self-centered pornographer, Gabe (who someone referred to earlier as a "real class-act"..  ;D )

I am really not criticizing here…till I met my hubby, I had a decade of going from Mr. Wrong, to Mr. WRONG!!, to Mr. Are you Kidding Me????. :o

Maybe its' even one of the things I love about this series, the complexity and "real-life" flaws of the main characters, which (to me) make them so much more appealing.

Just wandering, though.
How  did Ellery, who had such a bad track record in picking lovers, manage to choose  Ennis ?...


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 09:09:16 am
Quote from: RonitR on July 21, 2006, 08:22:20 am
Re: Gabe  & Ellery's ex's

Ellery's ex's keep bouncing back like a series of bad checks…
I am constantly amazed at what bad love- life decisions a smart, well-educated man like Ellery kept making (excluding Ennis, naturally).
Beagle the disappearing nut-case, Bill the self-centered pornographer, Gabe (who someone referred to earlier as a "real class-act"..  ;D )

I am really not criticizing here…till I met my hubby, I had a decade of going from Mr. Wrong, to Mr. WRONG!!, to Mr. Are you Kidding Me????. :o

Maybe its' even one of the things I love about this series, the complexity and "real-life" flaws of the main characters, which (to me) make them so much more appealing.

Just wandering, though.
How  did Ellery, who had such a bad track record in picking lovers, manage to choose  Ennis ?...




I am sure Louise will chime in...

The one I really wonder about is Bill. Beagle I can understand, having been in college and understanding that situational/opportunity thing--and it might have stayed that way if Ellery hadn't fallen so hard. Gabe was a one night stand and Ellery admits that. But Bill? Bill was around for four years, Ellery bought the bar and made him an operating partner, obviously there was something there. He's the one I don't understand.

As for Ennis, I think Ellery has been waiting his whole life for Ennis to come along, and he finally did.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 09:10:23 am
Very good question.  I have had people ask me the question, "How could someone who is so together, have so many bad exes?" 

Well, I think you know the answer to that question for yourself, Ronit.  Just because someone is in a good place NOW, or has their life in working order and has a lot of wonderful qualities, does NOT mean they think straight with their choice of partners.  Ellery's involvement with Beagle was a clinging juvenile event in his teens.  How many people haven't had one of those?

His relationship with Bill was when Bill wasn't (yet) as far as we know, an opportunistic teen pornographer, and his relationship started out, at least, as a professional one.  Even though they were together for a number of years, it does not seem like Ellery ever really believed Bill was "the one."  They had a common goal, the running of the bar and a commitment to the infant gay community.

His er, relationship with Gabe... well, wasn't much of a relationship... it was more of an extended one night stand that Gabe took a whole lot more seriously than Ellery did, and like many "travelling salesmen" he showed up again like a bad penny.

Yes, part of the design behind this is to give Ellery a checkered history with false starts and insufficient love relationships.  It is also, if I may be so bold as to quote Dan Savage, the gay sex columnist, a fair representation of what kind of relationship possibilities are on offer for a still-hated sexual minority.  Most gays are, by virtue of their unaccepted status, wounded people.  Dan compared them to a population of Vietnam vets.... and on the dating scene, one has to choose among the least damaged of damaged goods, and a healthy and well adjusted gay partner is about as rare as those spotted owls.

However, is this really so much different from heterosexual life, when you get down to it?  With a 60% divorce rate in America, one might argue that these considerations might well apply to the larger population.

As far as Ennis goes, we should not forget his flaws.  His is still homophobic.  He hides his sexual preference from most people and still shuns affection in public.  He has only got half a foot out of the closet, something most open gays in 2006  would find intolerable in a partner.  He has an ex wife and children, no education to speak of, is wildly jealous of anyone paying too much personal attention to Ellery, and is prejudiced about Ellery appearing "too queer" in public.  He would hit the roof if Ellery put an earring in his ear again, for example.  He is still grieving Jack, and carries the guilt and pain of the past.  That having been said, he is a considerate and passionate lover (this is a romance, after all), keeps the house neat, pulls his own weight, doesn't crumple up and act girly, and so far, has not been chased away by the increasingly intrusive demands of Ellery's job.  He isn't the perfect partner by any means.  But he is a darn sight more human and responsible and loving than the ones Ellery has had before.  Perfect?  Not a chance!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 21, 2006, 09:35:17 am
Congratulations Louise and Leslie!!!

I'm really happy and pleased  :)

This is wonderful news!

Louise - how the hell can you fit this into your already busy schedule?? It won't interfere with updates will it?!?  :P ;D :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 21, 2006, 09:35:44 am
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 09:10:23 am
Very good question.  I have had people ask me the question, "How could someone who is so together, have so many bad exes?" 


You know, I consider myself a together person in a lot of aspect of my life. (You can't be a together person in all of them, I think), and I have had my share of shitty boyfriends. This happens to a lot of people.  I mean, hasn't any of you looked back and think, how in hell did I get ever get involved with such a jerk in the first place? Love and lust make you do stupid things. That's a truth.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 09:42:28 am
Quote from: Bigheart on July 21, 2006, 09:35:17 am
Congratulations Louise and Leslie!!!

I'm really happy and pleased  :)

This is wonderful news!

Louise - how the hell can you fit this into your already busy schedule?? It won't interfere with updates will it?!?  :P ;D :-*

updates?  UPDATES?  oh my, I forgot about making updates!

I will make an update in about 3 hours.  When I finish doing software development!  Those crazy people still expect me to WORK!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 21, 2006, 10:00:12 am
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 09:42:28 am
updates?  UPDATES?  oh my, I forgot about making updates!

I will make an update in about 3 hours.  When I finish doing software development!  Those crazy people still expect me to WORK!
Oh Louise - sometimes you are such a tease!! *grin*

Whoooo - hoooo!! 3 hours!! I'll be having dinner..... :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 21, 2006, 10:10:23 am
Quote from: opinionista on July 21, 2006, 09:35:44 am
and I have had my share of shitty boyfriends. This happens to a lot of people.  I mean, hasn't any of you looked back and think, how in hell did I get ever get involved with such a jerk in the first place? Love and lust make you do stupid things. That's a truth.
Oh yes, I've had my share too. They are usually not 'shits' when you first start seeing them...or at least you're not able to see things clearly in the beginning. And oh yes to the love and lust combination!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 21, 2006, 10:36:20 am
QUOTE:I will make an update in about 3 hours.  When I finish doing software development!  Those crazy people still expect me to WORK!QUOTE:


Work??? but but, you cant let real life interfere with Ennis and Ellery!! :o :o :o  Throw a sicky, say it,s an emergency. ;)
Congratulations to you and Leslie btw,well done.  Now then... about those updates versus real life?? ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 21, 2006, 11:00:35 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 07:35:41 am
Everyone,

Louise and I have a bit of news...we have been made co-moderators of the FanFiction Forum here at Bettermost. Up until now, that forum has not had any moderator at all and has been sort of languishing. We hope to change that!

We've written a welcome message (it is at the top of the forum) and outlined a few guidelines. Our goal is to attract both authors and readers who like to discuss stories...keep it lively, keep it fun, sort of like what we have going on here.

Although we all love the Laramie Saga, it isn't the only story in the BBM fanfic universe. Please join us over there to discuss stories, and encourage friends, especially those who might not know about Bettermost, to join us!

Leslie
MaineWriter

Congratulations to our beloved authors!

This really is wonderful news. Bettermost will be an even better and safer place for all of us to play, learn, grow and heal. Blessed be!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 21, 2006, 11:01:56 am
I can see Beagle because neither of them were really knowing what everything was about, and college is for experimentations.   Only of course Ellery fell hard with his heart, but they never really had any communications, it was all supposed.  It happens.

I look at a Gabe as  a fuck buddy.   Nice enough looking, fills a gap, doesn't make demands on a regular basis.  Have had a couple and they certainly did fill a space, but were never anything that was going to go anywhere, and I don't think Ellery ever considered having it go anywhere, it just was when it was and then it wasn't.

Bill---I think Ellery thought they had more in common, and truth be told---I think ellery actually could tell the needy part of Bill, and it also answered something within Ellery, but what he didn't realize was the basic instability of Bill, and what an advantage taker user he turned into---but by the time Ellery found out how untrustworthy Bill was, it was entirely too late, he had just let them become entwined through business and emotional connections.    Ellery had a real problem of having to admit he made a bad choice.   And that is not easy, it sucks, and sometimes it is easier to just let the connections stay than going through the reality of severing them.
Been there done that---Ellery was knowing he was in a dead end situation with Bill, but until Bill did something illegal against Ellery, El just couldn't go through the scene of trying to be free of him.   Ellery is the law and that brought its own built in set of morals and principles that Ellery would never turn his back on, and those are what gave him the spine to finally get rid of Bill.   Sometimes it takes something just that drastic.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 11:09:44 am
I suppose I wasn't really fully aware of how Ellery's messy romantic history gave him believability.  I know I have argued long and hard with critics who have described Ellery as the "perfect man"... which still baffles me, I must say... but it is true that he never really examined just how ineffective his choices in men have been.  Perhaps somewhere deep inside he opened that bar so that some day, his cowboy would walk into it.  In that respect -- his instinct turned out to be right.  His impulse to start the Red Stallion up may have been his acknowledgement that Mr. Right had not yet ridden into town, but one day may do so.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 12:25:47 pm
Folks, we are just 4 posts away from the big 2000. Talk it up, willya? Why so quiet this morning?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 12:32:49 pm
hey, I'm talking it up!  And I am in chat too, people!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 21, 2006, 12:33:56 pm
Rereading the first two book, (thank You Leslie) and it is interesting at how far Ennis has come along.  

Ellery's relationships:  Great question, For whatever reason they failed, those relationships have brought the guys together.  That they were so bad only makes Ellery's relationship so much better. Like a nice rain after a dry spell. It does truly seem to me that Ennis and Ellery saved each other!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 21, 2006, 12:36:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 12:32:49 pm
hey, I'm talking it up!  And I am in chat too, people!

It must just be a busy morning for lots of us e&e fans.

We trust that you are typity typie, Louise.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 21, 2006, 12:37:45 pm
Now I'm playing the numbers game -

   trying to see if I can get post number 2k!

                     8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 12:39:20 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on July 21, 2006, 12:37:45 pm
Now I'm playing the numbers game -

   trying to see if I can get post number 2k!

                     8)

LOL, you've been playing the numbers game all along, Fred. And look how good that 2000 looks, anyway!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 21, 2006, 12:41:16 pm
Leslie when are you posting an update to your latest story?  I love it, really sweet. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 12:42:46 pm
Quote from: Jane on July 21, 2006, 12:41:16 pm
Leslie when are you posting an update to your latest story?  I love it, really sweet. :) :)

Thank you, Jane...maybe this weekend? Although I just found out I may have to do real work on Sunday. Lots of cramming going on, trying to get ready to go away to London for a week.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 21, 2006, 12:44:17 pm
Congratulations Fred!

and a bouquet of flowers/bottle of champagne for Leslie and Louise, moderators of the fanfiction forum. you really deserve that!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 01:45:17 pm
At 9:42 am EDT we were promised an update in "about 3 hours." It has been about 4 hours...4 hours and 5 minutes, to be precise. I am starting to get an itchy rash, anxiety, clouded sensorium....Louise, are you listening?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 01:55:20 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/77370.html  "Chapter 8:  Under Arrest"

A girl's got to eat.  Besides, I had to add some Dupree goodness AND some Ellery-pissed-off goodness in there as an extra bonus!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 01:57:45 pm
and dont you DARE send me edits before I go through it Leslie... and I mean YOU!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 21, 2006, 01:59:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 01:55:20 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/77370.html  "Chapter 8:  Under Arrest"

A girl's got to eat.  Besides, I had to add some Dupree goodness AND some Ellery-pissed-off goodness in there as an extra bonus!!!

Yipee!  Jenny running to read the new chapter now. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 21, 2006, 02:49:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 01:55:20 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/77370.html  "Chapter 8:  Under Arrest"

A girl's got to eat.  Besides, I had to add some Dupree goodness AND some Ellery-pissed-off goodness in there as an extra bonus!!!

Eat??? but, but, cant you do that later after you,ve posted the updates? ;) ;) ;) ;)  I love a pissed off Ellery btw.. brilliant chapter. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 21, 2006, 02:52:26 pm
Folks ...we are over 2000 posts !!   :D  :D

I have to go back and catchup on the last 2 or 3 pages...but first...we gotta celebrate ...!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 02:59:14 pm
How about we celebrate with a new chapter!

Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/77728.html  "Chapter 9:  Following Procedure"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 21, 2006, 03:01:59 pm
 

Yee - Haw!   :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/99723f16.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/99723f16.gif)
(Leslie, I trust these are not "boobie fireworks" like the last one..lol)


If anyone ever doubted it, Jack was, is and will always be part of the Laramie Saga!
We love our lads, don't we?  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/fc4f065c.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/AAngl.gif)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/f8cbc197.jpg)

A big word of Thank you to Louise for all the excellent work!
We love ya!!
 :-* :-*


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on July 21, 2006, 03:28:41 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 21, 2006, 03:01:59 pm
 

Yee - Haw!   :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/99723f16.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/99723f16.gif)
(Leslie, I trust these are not "boobie fireworks" like the last one..lol)


If anyone ever doubted it, Jack was, is and will always be part of the Laramie Saga!
We love our lads, don't we?  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/e3c4da23.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/AAngl.gif)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/2551603d.jpg)

A big word of Thank you to Louise for all the excellent work!
We love ya!!
 :-* :-*




Didn't think I still had tears left.

Beautiful Mil!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 21, 2006, 03:47:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 11:09:44 am
I suppose I wasn't really fully aware of how Ellery's messy romantic history gave him believability....

One of the reasons this story works so much  for me, I think, is that it feels like Ellery is a real person (just like I felt Ennis is real, having seen the movie).  Yes, I know, I'm bordering on the obsessive... LOL

LOVED the new chapter, btw. Anything with Dupree in it is always fun-fun-fun  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 04:02:01 pm
There will be more Dupree goodness as crimes begin to outpace the number of qualified detectives working in Wes's office.

Thank you muchly for the compliments!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 21, 2006, 04:11:49 pm
Quote from: DeeDee on July 21, 2006, 03:28:41 pm
Didn't think I still had tears left.

Beautiful Mil!

awww ...  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 04:13:17 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 01:57:45 pm
and dont you DARE send me edits before I go through it Leslie... and I mean YOU!

Well, as you have probably noticed, I haven't sent you any edits because I have been trying to work and then my doctoral student and I got t'drinkin' and talkin'....after a late antipasto lunch washed down with a glass or two of a nice Australian chardonnay (for me) and shiraz (for her), I came back to my office to (ostensibly) read my email and what do I find? A new chapter! Hooray! Unfortunately, I am reading on the sly so not looking carefully for errors...

Now off for some chocolate and another glass of wine...maybe....she's still drinking. PS...don't tell anyone, I am getting PAID for this! LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 21, 2006, 04:37:07 pm
Lucise, Ellery in those leather pants... holy crap.  Did he buy leather pants for his excursion to Austin? I cant recall.  He ought to slip those on and walk around the house a bit, see who ends up more riled.

I am going to go to bed and try to rest in this unbelievable heat... hope you enjoyed the chapters, folks!  More tomorrow, because... it's SATURDAY!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 21, 2006, 05:37:17 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 21, 2006, 04:37:07 pm
Lucise, Ellery in those leather pants... holy crap.  Did he buy leather pants for his excursion to Austin? I cant recall.  He ought to slip those on and walk around the house a bit, see who ends up more riled.

Yes! Yes!!  to Ellery in tight leather shorts!!   :P ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/86f8382b.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 21, 2006, 06:39:02 pm
Ooops...I nearly forgot to congratulate Louise  and Leslie  on their new moderator status!!  :D
Ladies, you each get a pair of these as your New Mod present!!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/439d1b74.jpg)

Rock them Moderator boots girls!!  ;)   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 06:45:07 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 21, 2006, 06:39:02 pm
Ooops...I nearly forgot to congratulate Louise  and Leslie  on their new moderator status!!  :D
Ladies, you each get a pair of these as your New Mod present!!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/439d1b74.jpg)

Rock them Moderator boots girls!!  ;)   

As Jack, Ennis, or Ellery would probably say, those are in-fuckin-credible! Thanks Lucise!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 21, 2006, 06:48:18 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 21, 2006, 06:45:07 pm
As Jack, Ennis, or Ellery would probably say, those are in-fuckin-credible! Thanks Lucise!!

 :-*
You go girls!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 21, 2006, 11:42:55 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter link=topic=2833.msg62064#msg62064

Telephone conversation between Heath Ledger and Joe Albierti, his agent. (Disclaimer: I really don't know the name of Heath's agent.)

-----------------------------------

“Hullo?” said Heath, answering the phone on its third ring.

“Hey, Heath, it’s Joe,” came the booming voice of his agent. “How’s it hanging?”

Heath winced. Ever since Brokeback Mountain, certain expressions just didn’t seem funny anymore. “I’m fine, Joe,” said Heath. “How about you?”

“Fine, fine, fine. Now, listen Heath, I have a project I want to talk to you about. You want to chat now or get together in person?”

“Chat now is fine,” said Heath. “I’m not in the middle of anything.” Actually, he’d been thinking about going to the market to buy some vegetables and pasta for a primavera, but that could wait.

“All right,” said Joe. “So, you know how Brokeback made such a buzz, blew everyone’s socks off and people have been talking sequel for months now.”

“I know,” said Heath, “but how can there be a sequel? Jack is dead. No way to bring him back to life, now, is there? This isn’t the TV show Dallas.”

Joe laughed at that. “You’re absolutely right,” he said, “but there is the possibility of picking up the story where it ends…or maybe a few years later.”

“And…” said Heath, leaving the thought unfinished.

“Well,” said Joe, “we’ve had a bunch of interns working in the office, scouring the Internet for possible stories.”

“Scouring the Internet?” said Heath, not clearly following Joe’s train of thought.

“Yeah,” replied Joe. “There are lots of Brokeback fans out there, writing stories that pick up on the original. Some change the ending, some having Jack surviving.”

“Oh,” said Heath. “You mean fanfic. You guys are looking at fanfic for a possible sequel to Brokeback?”

“You know about fanfic?” said Joe.

“I’ve heard about it, yeah,” responded Heath.

“So, yes, we’re looking at fanfic as a possible source of a story. Now, most of what we have found won’t work, but we’ve come across this one story that would. And we’re thinking of optioning it for a movie.”

“So what’s the premise?” asked Heath.

“It picks up in 1984, two years after Jack’s death. Ennis has been basically alone, spending some time with Junior. Y’know, poor as shit, nothing much has changed. Then he does some reading, this and that, ends up in a gay bar in Laramie.”

“And…?” said Heath, urging Joe to continue.

“He meets a guy, eventually they get together, have a relationship. The guy’s name is Ellery.”

“Doesn’t sound like much of a story, Joe. Not enough to carry a whole movie.”

“Well, that’s the core of it for Ennis. There’s lots of other stuff going on. The guy, Ellery, is  a cop and gets involved in trying to find out what happened to Jack, if he was murdered. And he owns the gay bar, too, so there’s that whole angle of the story. As a matter of fact,” he said, pausing, “there’s way too much story for a movie. We’d have to cut some of it down. Right now the author is on her fourth book, it is turning into an epic.”

“Wow,” said Heath. “Sounds interesting.” He paused for a minute. “You said it takes place after the story, right? So I’d be old Ennis.”

“Yes, you’d be 40, 41. He has a birthday in the story, actually.”

“I didn’t like old Ennis,” said Heath. “I didn’t like all that latex shit they put on my face, and making my hair look like straw.”

Joe laughed. “Well, we could work it out to make you look younger, probably. Ennis falls really hard for this guy Ellery. He’d be really happy, that would take some of the age out of his face. Oh, and about the hair…your curls would be back. Ellery likes Ennis’s curls.”

Heath paused for a minute, letting it all sink in, then he asked, “Would Jake be back?”

“He might—for a small part. There are a few flashback scenes that might get included.”

“What about Ellery? Any thought of who’d play his character?”

“Yes, as a matter of fact,” said Joe, “there’s talk about Hugh Jackman. Know him?”

“I’ve met him a few times,” said Heath. “Seems like a nice guy. Never worked with him, though.” He paused. “How did Jackman’s name come up?”

Joe took a breath. “Actually, in addition to the story on the Internet, there’s this—I guess you’d call it a fan club—and they have been busy casting the production. Jackman seems like a good choice. He’s got the right look. Ellery’s tall, very thin, grey eyes, black hair…”

They were both silent for a minute, then Joe continued. “Now, one thing I have to tell you, Heath…there’s more sex in this story than there was in Brokeback. In other words, you need to get used to the idea of more than 90 seconds in a tent and one hot reunion kiss.”

Heath laughed softly. “And where did this come from?”

“Audience feedback. They wanted more and since this story has a happy ending, we can give them more.”

“Is there sex in the story? The one on the Internet, I mean?” said Heath.

“Ohhhh yes,” said Joe. “Lots. Rather explicit, as a matter of fact. We’d need to tone it down for the movie.”

“Rather explicit?” said Heath. “That sounds more like slash, not fanfic.”

“Oh,” said Joe. “You know the difference?”

Heath sounded exasperated. “I haven’t been living under a rock, you know. Yes, I know the difference. I also know what RPS is, too, and yes, I’ve read a few of the stories.”

Joe laughed. “Maybe we should let you do the scouring, forget the interns.” Heath chuckled along with this comment. “So, Heath, still interested?”

“Maybe. I’d like to read the story. Send me an email with the link and I’ll get started on it tonight.”

“Okay,” said Joe, “will do. But let me warn you, you might not want to start reading until you have about three days of your life to devote to this. It is rather addicting.”

Heath laughed. “Thanks for the warning. Send me the link. And send me the link to the fan club, too. Maybe I’ll drop in for a visit.”

Whoa.  Fanfic about fanfic.  That's metafanfic.  (*head explodes*)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on July 21, 2006, 11:59:56 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 21, 2006, 03:01:59 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/f8cbc197.jpg)

A big word of Thank you to Louise for all the excellent work!
We love ya!!
 :-* :-*


[/center]

Oh I really, REALLY like this!!  Well done.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 22, 2006, 04:53:26 am
Well I think I may have paid my last visit to the dc slash discussion thread. I just can no longer stand the way everyone is shedding tears and breaking their hearts over how sad and lonely and miserable Ennis' life is now and forever. So I conveyed a message from Ennis saying how much he appreciated everyone's concern but that he wanted assure everyone that he was recovering and having a happy life in Laramie. No doubt I have worn out my welcome there with this last missive!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 22, 2006, 05:38:11 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 22, 2006, 04:53:26 am
Well I think I may have paid my last visit to the dc slash discussion thread. I just can no longer stand the way everyone is shedding tears and breaking their hearts over how sad and lonely and miserable Ennis' life is now and forever. So I conveyed a message from Ennis saying how much he appreciated everyone's concern but that he wanted assure everyone that he was recovering and having a happy life in Laramie. No doubt I have worn out my welcome there with this last missive!

I think the whole phenomenon of leaving a board is an interesting one. At the very beginning of this thread (and else where on the board, as I reposted it) is a history of Chez Tremblay. The core band of regulars (including me) came here from IMDb. Even though we were in the midst of a terrible troll war, people were very reluctant to leave and it wasn't until Pierre Tremblay board was essentially destroyed that we packed up and moved here.

I have heard similar stories about the Yahool! Board.

It is interesting how hard it is to leave a place, even when there are problems. But I guess that is true about most things in life, isn't it?
L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 22, 2006, 05:39:00 am
Quote from: Quiplash on July 21, 2006, 11:42:55 pm
Whoa.  Fanfic about fanfic.  That's metafanfic.  (*head explodes*)

Metafanfic...heeheehee...great term, Quiplash.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 06:07:54 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 22, 2006, 04:53:26 am
Well I think I may have paid my last visit to the dc slash discussion thread. I just can no longer stand the way everyone is shedding tears and breaking their hearts over how sad and lonely and miserable Ennis' life is now and forever. So I conveyed a message from Ennis saying how much he appreciated everyone's concern but that he wanted assure everyone that he was recovering and having a happy life in Laramie. No doubt I have worn out my welcome there with this last missive!

Hi MM... You might want to drop by the FanFiction section of this board, which as you may know by reading here, is now moderated by myself and Leslie, and we are encouraging readers and writers there to share their work and their reading experiences on the whole range of the Brokeback Experience.  Our philosophy, as so well expressed by Phillip in founding this board, is "To finish the story of Brokeback in our own lives."  This of course, requires us to find our own answers, our own solutions, and yes, the endings that we ourselves write.

For whatever reason, there are "categories" of outcomes and styles in fan fiction that attract people.  No doubt a clinical psychologist might find this of interest and be able to offer a definitive explanation of why some choose alternate endings for Ennis and others choose to rewrite the ending of BBM and some choose a happier or a more tragic outcome.  There is room for all outcomes here.  In the interest of harmony, however, as a newly appointed mod, our official position regarding davecullen.com is one of friendly cooperation and interaction.  Take what you like... leave the rest.

(Uh oh, I think I stole that from an AA slogan!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 07:59:23 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/78060.html  "Chapter 10:  Lack of Professionalism"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 22, 2006, 08:48:41 am
An early morning treat....gotta love the weekend. Thanks, Louise!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 10:39:21 am
Another update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/78329.html  "Chapter 11:  Ambush"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 22, 2006, 10:50:55 am
I would like to put a word in for the davecullen forum. It was a lifesaving haven for me when I had nowhere to turn in the days following my first viewing of the movie. I found loving likeminded souls who knew what I was going through and helped me find my way again. I continue to visit daily, reading every entry of the "How BBM Affected Me" thread, which continues to evolve as does our journey through this emotional upheaval.

I found the Laramie Saga through the DC Slash thread, although I no longer visit that particular thread. The companionship I have found here is what I need. Your acceptance is the draw and continues to be, as that in the "Affected" thread. I have enough discord in real life. I am still sorting through the changes that have been produced in me as a result of this phenomenon.

I would like to see all of us continue to accept that we have different needs and address it positively. I have bowed out of a couple of threads at DC quietly because they no longer suit my needs. That's fine. Let's enjoy the companionship we have found here that is unique to anywhere else. You guys are great.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 10:54:09 am
I agree with you neatfreak. I am still an active daily participant in davecullen.com, and the relationship between these forums is one of positive cooperation.  Our goal here is to appreciate the things we do like together in a positive and sharing environment, and our administrator's goal is to make Bettermost a positive, supportive, and tolerant environment for everyone.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 22, 2006, 12:19:29 pm
Me too, though I very seldom post in the DC/S thread, I go through it and check it out.
I am active in the Planet Heath thread there though and check it daily.
sometimes, I still go through some of the rest of the board too just depends on time and what is the subject.  But I like the forum, just can't deal with certain parts of the threads.  And I agree, now there are lots of BBM sites, but in the early days of first release--and before--Dave was one of the first few sites that really made sense and dealt with issues raised and questions asked.  I started there WAY before I ever got a chance to actually view the movie.

But I am involved in several actor sites too, and  this is becoming one I check more than most along with HHH thread.  I do love the atmosphere here. 
Like seeks like I guess. LOL

OH AND LOUISE----THere are a few urgent issues in Laramie that NEED ATTENTION!!
   AHEM!!!!  ;) :-X ;D ;D   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 02:28:39 pm
Okay gang:

Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/78399.html  "Chapter 12: Target"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 22, 2006, 02:38:15 pm
All this angst is agony. Please tell me that I will go to sleep tonight having read more cuddlin' and kissin'!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 22, 2006, 02:43:22 pm
thank YOU!!  SIGH
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 02:48:38 pm
what did you think all that hogwash about body armor was about ranchgal?  had to get it in the plot somehow!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 22, 2006, 03:11:38 pm
Spoiler


Geez, now where did that come from???

E & E are having a nice, slow time, and then BAM , Dupree of all people gets shot ????

Gotta hand it to you Louise - you sure know how to throw a curve ball...

I'm at the edge of my seat here.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 03:29:09 pm
There will be another chapter after "Target" tonight.  Have no fear.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 03:58:42 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/78833.html  "Chapter 13:  Another Busy Day"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 22, 2006, 05:03:27 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on July 22, 2006, 12:19:29 pm


But I am involved in several actor sites too, and  this is becoming one I check more than most along with HHH thread.  I do love the atmosphere here. 
Like seeks like I guess. LOL



I hope that people notice that the Ennis and Ellery thread, as well as Heath Heath Heath were both started by yours truly. I just want you to know that I have my priorities straight!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 22, 2006, 05:19:40 pm
 ;D :laugh: :laugh:   I noticed!!

speaking of priorities---how is Through the Veil of Time coming along?
I haven't really posted any replies, the pages seemed full anyway, but have been keeping up. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 05:40:43 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/78858.html  "Chapter 14:  Sevigny"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 22, 2006, 06:59:05 pm
 :o   Holy Cow!

   I've only been gone since late Friday morning and you've already posted 6 more chapters!    YIKES!    I've got some reading to do!

Thanks Louisev!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2006, 07:02:02 pm
Hehehe, get to work David!

Tomorrow, stay tuned for more Dupree goodness, more Wayne goodness and of course, maybe even more SEX!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 22, 2006, 08:34:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 22, 2006, 07:02:02 pm
Hehehe, get to work David!

Tomorrow, stay tuned for more Dupree goodness, more Wayne goodness and of course, maybe even more SEX!

I loveit when you mention Dupree and Sex in the same post!   LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 22, 2006, 09:25:47 pm
Inane, perhaps, but I want to know:

How do you pronounce Sevigny?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 22, 2006, 09:53:59 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on July 22, 2006, 05:19:40 pm
;D :laugh: :laugh:   I noticed!!

speaking of priorities---how is Through the Veil of Time coming along?
I haven't really posted any replies, the pages seemed full anyway, but have been keeping up. ;)

I just posted an update:

Through The Veil Of Time    
A new chapter is posted:

Chapter 3: Persuasion in the AM

http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/20514.html

Enjoy....as always, feeback is welcome. There is a thread for comments over in the fanfiction forum. We should keep discussion of my story there. Thanks!

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 22, 2006, 11:14:00 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 22, 2006, 08:34:31 pm
I loveit when you mention Dupree and Sex in the same post!   LOL
me too!  ;D
I love Dupree and I'd love it if he got a little bit of sweetness in his life  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on July 22, 2006, 11:21:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 22, 2006, 05:03:27 pm
I hope that people notice that the Ennis and Ellery thread, as well as Heath Heath Heath were both started by yours truly. I just want you to know that I have my priorities straight!

L
Oh I noticed Leslie! And I want to thank you SO much, especially for this thread. I know I don't post much(just don't have the time atm and won't have much in the next couple of weeks - am just really happy I can keep up with the updates) but I do really really LOVE it here.

 :) :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 12:20:50 am
I have to go catch up on my chapters now...yeah!  :D

BigH ~ Love the signature line!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 23, 2006, 02:40:07 am
Quote from: Bigheart on July 22, 2006, 11:14:00 pm
me too!  ;D
I love Dupree and I'd love it if he got a little bit of sweetness in his life  :)


Me three !!

Maybe Dupree and Sevigny ?? they are almost the same age...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 03:08:49 am
Time for a Gallery update ...

Follow the sign:  ;)

(http://www.barcoproducts.com/images/upload/items/RSP66.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 03:09:40 am
GALLERY Update ...  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/Sburst.gif)    The LARAMIE SAGA Cast GALLERY


The lads who started it all:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jack_ennis.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jack_ennis2.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/jt83_2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/enn2-1.jpg)


The Chief Deputy Sheriff, Ellery Cantrell:  :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_HJ.jpg)


Ennis & Ellery:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_9.jpg)


Wayne:

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne3.jpg)


Gene:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/gene.jpg)


Carol (On and Off Duty)  ;D

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6IMdaFEw84AIQyjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13jo10kp5/EXP=1151518348/**http%3a//www.yolocountysheriff.com/myweb5/Sheriff%2520Final/images/command%2520staff/penny-sm.jpg)   (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000BB461C.01-A380UA15JJJ6B2._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg) 

Joe "Round's a Shape" Tooey ..   :)

(http://www.vmi.edu/resources/images/Auxilliary%20Services/Police/PP_Edward_Matheny.jpg)


Bill

(http://www.geocities.com/concreteangels2003/images/tony.jpg)


Wes & Edna

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shff-1.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/edn.jpg)


Dupree:   (On and Off Duty)  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/dpre.jpg)

(http://www.lonestarsteve.com/photos/lying_on_sofa.jpg)



Amos Marigold

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/attorney.jpg)


Jim

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/shtls.jpg)


Beagle (Before & Now)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/breakfast2.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bgle.jpg)


Nate, the radiator repairman

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiTo5KNEv3gA5LejzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12okedfbv/EXP=1151678056/**http%3a//images.richmond.com/images/storyimage/3-21-02cooter_story.jpg)   OR   (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/naat.jpg)

At the Red Stallion: Left to right:  Rudy, Leon, Lang

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Lauren

(http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2005/Oct/06/FPI510060310AR_b.jpg)



The Worrells:  Judge Evinrude and Justin 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jdgWrll.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jWorrll1.jpg)


Alma & Curt 

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Ben Tooey 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ben1.jpg)


Jess

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jess1.jpg)


Eagleton, Sr. 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/beagSr.jpg)


Mel Ruskin 

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/mRuskin.jpg)



Guest appearances by:


Mr. Gabe 'GunSlinger' Blackwell  (LOL ...)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/gabeBwell.jpg)


Laura Bradley    :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lraBradly1.png)


William Wilkes    :'(

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/wWlkes.jpg)


Simon    

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lren_Simn_bw.jpg)


Brad Sevigny     (any other ideas?)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/9e4df606.jpg)




[Other suggestions are always welcome ;) ]




.. to be continued ...


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 03:17:30 am
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TOP 3 Props …   ;)

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Ennis and Ellery Diet

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Ellery's Wardrobe

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(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_B0007VM38O.jpg)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_tejublueblutop.jpg)

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Ennis' Newer WardRobe

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Ennis & Ellery Bedroom props  8)

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And biscuits, burnt or not:

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(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/beurr.jpg)


Misc.


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Documents

Ellery’s Business Card

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Ennis’ Hospital Note (Dated: 8/22/1984)

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Ellery’s flower card to Ennis …

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Ennis & Ellery Home & Transport

Ellery's car:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elCam.jpg)


Ennis' wheels:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/72fordtruck.jpg)


Ennis & Ellery Home:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/elHs.jpg)


Birdfeeders:

 (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/BF1.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/bfeeder.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/pinkbigdiv.gif)


HORSE Gallery

Nellie

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Nellie.jpg)


Socks 

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Socks.jpg)


Pal

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/playstuff/Pal.jpg)


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RECIPE Gallery


PUMPKIN WALNUT MUFFINS

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1/4 cup melted butter
1/4 cup applesauce
3/4 cup canned solid-pack pumpkin
1/4 cup well-shaken buttermilk
2 large eggs
3 tablespoons unsulfured molasses
1 teaspoon vanilla
1 cup all-purpose flour
1 cup white whole-wheat flour or all-purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
1/8 teaspoon freshly grated nutmeg
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon baking soda
3/4 cup packed brown sugar
3/4 cup chopped pitted dates (about 4 ounces)
3/4 cup finely chopped walnuts (about 3 ounces)

Preheat oven to 400° F. and grease twelve 1/2-cup muffin cups.

Melt butter and cool slightly. In a bowl whisk together butter, applesauce, pumpkin, buttermilk, eggs, molasses, and vanilla. Into a large bowl sift together flours, baking powder, spices, salt, and baking soda and whisk in brown sugar. Make a well in center of flour mixture and add pumpkin mixture, stirring just until combined. Stir in dates and divide batter among cups. Sprinkle walnuts evenly over batter in each cup and bake muffins in middle of oven 20 to 25 minutes, or until puffed and a tester comes out clean. Cool muffins in cups 5 minutes and turn out onto a rack. Serve muffins warm or at room temperature.

If you don't like (or are allergic) to nuts, these are just fine without the walnuts, too.

Makes 12 muffins.

--

ALMA JUNIOR'S FUDGY CHOCOLATE CHUNK BROWNIES WITH WALNUTS

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/brwnies.jpg)

1 cup (2 sticks) unsalted butter
8 ounces bittersweet (not unsweetened) or semisweet chocolate, chopped
3 ounces unsweetened chocolate, chopped

1/2 cup all purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup plus 2 tablespoons sugar
3 large eggs
3 1/4 teaspoons instant espresso powder or instant coffee powder
1 tablespoon vanilla extract
1 1/4 cups chopped toasted walnuts
6 ounces bittersweet (not unsweetened) or semisweet chocolate, coarsely chopped

Preheat oven to 350°F. Butter 13 x 9 x 2-inch glass baking dish. Melt first 3 ingredients in heavy medium saucepan over low heat, stirring until smooth. Remove from heat. Let cool 10 minutes.

Sift flour, baking powder and salt into medium bowl. Using electric mixer, beat sugar, eggs, espresso powder and vanilla in large bowl until blended. Add melted chocolate mixture and beat until smooth. Add dry ingredients and stir just until blended. Fold in walnuts and 6 ounces coarsely chopped chocolate.

Pour batter into prepared pan. Smooth top. Bake until top looks dry and tester inserted into center comes out with moist crumbs attached, about 30 minutes. Transfer pan to rack and cool completely. (Can be made 1 day ahead. Cover with foil and store at room temperature.) Cut brownies into squares and serve.

Makes about 15.

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EDNA'S QUICK AND EASY BISCUITS

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/biscuits.jpg)

Many find that just one of these biscuits isn't enough. Fortunately, this quick recipe can easily be doubled.

2 cups all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon baking powder
1 teaspoon salt
3/4 stick (6 tablespoons) cold unsalted butter
3/4 cup heavy cream

Preheat oven to 425°F. and lightly grease a baking sheet.

Into a large bowl sift together flour, baking powder, and salt. Cut 5 tablespoons butter into bits and with your fingertips or a pastry blender blend into flour mixture until mixture resembles coarse meal. Add cream, stirring with a fork until just combined. Transfer mixture to a lightly floured surface and gently knead about 3 times until it just forms a dough. Pat dough into a 6 1/2-inch round (about 1/2 inch thick).

Using a 2 1/2-inch round cutter cut out biscuits and arrange about 1 inch apart on baking sheet. Gather and pat out scraps and cut out more biscuits.

Melt remaining tablespoon butter and lightly brush onto biscuits. Bake biscuits in middle of oven until pale golden and cooked through, about 20 minutes.

Makes about 6 biscuits.

Variations: Can make with milk instead of cream if you are worried about fat...but Edna never does. She knows Ellery likes the ones made with cream the best. And now Ennis is partial to them, too.

For cheese biscuits: add some grated cheese (sharp cheddar is best, but asiago works nicely, too)
Herb biscuits: a teaspoon or so of Italian seasoning is a nice touch, along with a clove or two of minced garlic.

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BEEF CHILI RECIPE:

(http://www.txbeef.org/images/recipes/112482239.jpg)
3 pounds lean beef (eye, top and bottom round are the leanest)
1 cup chopped green bell pepper
1 cup chopped onion
1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper
1 garlic clove, minced
1 tablespoon chili powder
1 1/4 teaspoons ground cumin
1 tablespoon brown sugar
1 1/2 teaspoons dried oregano
1 (28-ounce) can no salt added stewed tomatoes, undrained and chopped
1 (12-ounce) can no salt added tomato paste
1 (12-ounce) bottle light beer
2 (15-ounce) cans kidney beans, drained
Trim excess fat from beef and cut into 1/2 inch pieces. Spray a large stockpot with non-stick cooking spray and heat over medium-high heat until hot. Add half of the meat and cook until browned. Remove from heat and repeat with remaining meat.
Spray stockpot again with non-stick cooking spray and heat over medium heat. Add bell pepper, onion, red pepper, and garlic and sauté 5-6 minutes or until vegetables are tender. Return the cooked meat to the pot and add remaining ingredients. Bring to boil then reduce heat, cover and simmer for 1 hour or until meat is tender.
Makes 12 Servings
Serving Size: 12 ounces

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Chocolate-Peanut Butter Cup "Ellery" Pie

(http://www.ohannualrecipes.com/images/fr2.jpg)

Layers of chocolate ice cream, hot fudge topping, and peanut butter cups fill a chocolate cookie crust in this heavenly four-ingredient dessert.

Prep: 13 minutes
Other: 6 hours

  4 cups no-sugar-added chocolate ice cream
  1/2 cup chopped miniature peanut butter cups
  (about 11 candies), divided
  1 (6-ounce) cream-filled chocolate sandwich cookie
  pie crust (such as Oreo)
  1/4 cup fat-free hot fudge topping

1. Let ice cream stand at room temperature 5 minutes or until slightly softened.
2. Combine ice cream and 1/4 cup chopped candy in a large bowl. Spoon ice cream mixture into bottom of pie crust. Sprinkle remaining 1/4 cup candy over top. Cover and freeze at least 6 hours or until firm. Drizzle each slice with hot fudge topping. Yield: 8 servings (serving size: 1 slice and 1 1/2 teaspoons hot fudge topping).

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EDNA'S COMMON APPLE PIE


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This is my recipe for a straightforward apple pie. It reflects not only my preferences but also countless influences. It is intentionally imprecise because there are so many variables to consider. To get it right, you pretty much have to taste as you go along or trust your instincts.

Double 9-inch Butter and Lard Crust, unbaked

For the filling:
8 or 9 large apples of several different cooking varieties (Delicious apples will NOT do), peeled, cored, and thinly sliced
Juice of 1 large lemon
Sugar
Ground cinnamon
Pinch of both ground mace and ground nutmeg
Unsalted butter
1 large egg white beaten with a little water, for brushing

For the Butter and Lard Crust:
3 cups sifted all-purpose flour, chilled
1/4 cup sugar (except for savory pie crusts)
Pinch of salt
8 tablespoons (1 stick) unsalted butter, chilled and cut into 8 pieces
1/3 cup lard, chilled and cut into small pieces
6 to 8 tablespoons iced water

To make the pie:
Preheat oven to 450° F.

Prepare the pastry. Line a 9-inch pie pan with half of the pastry and set aside in the refrigerator, along with the unrolled half, while you make the filling. Taste a few slices of the apples to gauge how much sugar you'll need to make them sweet. In a large bowl, mix the apple slices in the lemon juice. Sprinkle with sugar and cinnamon to taste, then add the mace and nutmeg. Pour the apple mixture into the prepared pastry shell. Mound toward the center and dot with butter. Roll out the remaining pastry and carefully lay it over the apples. Seal the edges, cut vent holes, and decorate with extra pieces of dough cut into decorative shapes. Brush the egg wash over the surface of the pastry. Place the pie pan on a baking sheet (to catch any spill over) and cook in the middle of the oven for 10 minutes. Turn the oven down to 350° F. and continue to cook for about another hour, until the top crust is a beautiful golden brown. If the edges start to darken too much, cover with a ribbon of aluminum foil.

To make the butter and lard crust:
Combine the flour, sugar, and salt in the bowl of a food processor fitted with the metal blade. With the top off, sprinkle the butter and lard over the ingredients. Re-cover and pulse a few times until small clumps form. Begin to add the iced water through the feed tube, 1 tablespoon at a time, pulsing quickly until the dough begins to form into a ball. Turn the dough out onto a sheet of plastic wrap. As you wrap the dough in the plastic, form it into a disk. Refrigerate for 30 minutes.

Take the dough from the refrigerator and cut it into 2 pieces, one slightly bigger than the other. Wrap the smaller piece in plastic wrap and return to the refrigerator. Roll out the bigger piece on a lightly floured surface until it's slightly larger than the pie pan. Drape one end of the dough over the pin and gently lift it up, then slip the pan underneath the dough and lower it into the pan. Press the dough gently — and quickly — against the sides of the pan. Leave about an inch of dough hanging over the sides of the pan and cut any excess away. Refrigerate the crust for at least 30 minutes before either filling or prebaking.

If you are making a pie with a top crust, after you have filled the pie, take the smaller disk from the refrigerator and roll it out on a lightly floured surface until it's a little bigger than the pie. Drape one end of the dough over the rolling pin, lift it gently, then drape it over the top of the filling. Press the edges together and crimp to seal. Slash a few vents across the top of the crust to allow steam to escape and bake the pie according to the directions in the recipe you are using. (If you are not making a pie with a top crust, either freeze the second dough disk or make an extra bottom crust.) Makes a double 9-inch crust

Serves 6.

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EDNA'S "Oooops! I Discovered the Vaseline!" COLE SLAW


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/215657dc.jpg)

Can be prepared in 45 minutes or less.

1 Granny Smith apple
1/2 medium green cabbage, halved lengthwise and sliced very thin
 (about 4 cups)
1/2 medium red cabbage, halved lengthwise and sliced very thin
 (about 4 cups)
2 carrots, shredded fine

Dressing
1/2 cup mayonnaise
1 tablespoon honey
2 teaspoons cider vinegar
1/2 teaspoon salt

In a large bowl, whisk together dressing ingredients.

Shred apple coarse and add to dressing with cabbage and carrots. Toss cole slaw well.

Serves 8.



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LOCAL ATTRACTIONS Gallery


If you are ever in Laramie or the surrounding area, make sure to check out these attractions:  :P


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to be continued ...
 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 03:33:19 am
"The LARAMIE SAGA Photo-Stories  Gallery"


RED SOCKS (by MaineWriter)

Yesterday we learned that Ellery wears a (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_7BC0FA0B4D-CD5F-4AA9-B2D5-518EA22F3.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/7BC0FA0B4D-CD5F-4AA9-B2D5-518EA22F3.jpg)

with his (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Image033.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Image033.jpg)

for work. He has some 

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and some

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but mostly he has

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Because people can see his

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/golfgods_1860_27300256.jpg)

we know he wears

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not

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for work. When Ellery wears his

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_red_sock.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/red_sock.gif)

Amos Marigold sees red!


Ennis wears

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and

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for work.

Ellery is thinking of getting Ennis a new pair of boots for Christmas. Do you think Ennis would like these?

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  THE LINEN CLOSET (by MaineWriter)


Ellery's linen closet used to look like this

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but now it looks like this

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because all the

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/sheets_02.jpg)

are in the

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/washing.jpg)

Fortunately, Ennis is a good sport about doing the laundry, and luckily, he doesn't have to do it like this!

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ODE to SATURDAY NIGHTS (by Lucise)


Ennis works Saturday Nights at the ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/redStalli.jpg)

with his friend Dupree, the Chief Deputy Sheriff's assistant ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/dpre.jpg)

At the bar, Ennis gets abit uneasy when he sees:

(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/mar2004/4/7/000628A7-5B2A-1059-8E4B80C328EC0000.jpg)

and gets really nervous if he sees something like...

(http://tinypic.com/jij6ll.jpg)

He is what you'd call a 'hardass' no-nonsense bouncer.
He goes livid when Lang calls him (buttercup)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/butterCup.jpg)

.. and he freaks out if there is action like

(http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/MDG/MDG219/911006.jpg)

happening in the Gents (especially if there is a monetary transaction involved).


At about 1 a.m., he goes home to ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_HJ9_bw.jpg)

who is wearing cutoffs sitting dangerously low on his hips.

Ennis jumps into the shower for quick 5-minute rub-down and emerges ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ennShwr1.jpg)

more than ready to get riled and downright fancy!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/pinkbigdiv.gif)


HUNH?  (by DavidinHartford)

Ennis: "Whats a matter Junior?"

(http://static.flickr.com/1/183594257_bdbae6fa78_m.jpg)

Junior: "I can't wait to tell Momma that Ellery is HOT!"

(http://static.flickr.com/70/183594258_8834b24d4a_m.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/pinkbigdiv.gif)


CHRISTMAS (by MaineWriter)

So, Ellery told Alma he was going to buy her a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0059.jpg)

for Christmas, although personally, I thought he was acting a bit like a trust fund boy with that comment!

Louise tells me the Ellery is wants to get Ennis a pair of palomino speedos!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/MTS2_86399_fanseelamb_speedos.jpg)

Huh, Louise? Why? We all know that Ennis prefers

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/do.jpg)

Besides, Ennis kinda liked the idea of the

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/conquist.jpg)

He thought they'd look kinda hot for his nights at the

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/redStalli.jpg)

For Ennis, Christmas shopping for Ellery is easy:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/bathrobes_m3.jpg)

Because God forbid if

(http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/jd-wayne1.jpg) or (http://static.flickr.com/70/183594258_8834b24d4a_m.jpg)

should get a glimpse of Ellery's !

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/btn_thighs.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/pinkbigdiv.gif)


ALMA Jr. in Laramie (Part 1)  (by Lucise)

Alma Jr falls in love with the beautiful Nellie, and decides to take her for a ride ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jr_Nellie4_col.jpg)


She is introduced to Ben  ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ben1.jpg)


..and Jess, who enthusiastically comments to Ennis: “Boy that girl can ride!”

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jess1.jpg)


He is really saying: " This here Ennis' girl sure is sweet to look at!  Won't mind taking her for a ride in the sunset ..."

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jrjess.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/pinkbigdiv.gif)


ALMA Jr. in Laramie (Part 2)  (by Lucise)

Ennis' oldest daughter

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jr2.jpg)

made a trip to

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/lmieSign.jpg)

from

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/rvtonSign_bw.jpg)

to visit her Daddy. She felt bad that she hadn't seen him in a while.
Truth be told, she was curious about

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/el_en_HJ_4.jpg)

and was not exactly enjoying marital bliss with her husband Curt

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jrsCurt.jpg)


Fact is, they were running very dangerously low on

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/mbams.jpg)

and Curt's Momma was being a difficult cow and a royal pain in the

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/mbtForm.jpg)

Alma forgot her woes for a while, when she visited Wes and Edna; where she met Nellie

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/jr_Nellie4_bw.jpg)

The night before she returned to Riverton, she got home in time to witness
her father in a very passionate embrace with his lover.
The best way to sum up her reaction:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/stund1.jpg)

She was embarrassed, but pleased to see her Daddy so in

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/inLuv.jpg)


..Her entire weekend in Laramie proved to be a crash-course on man-on-man love ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/qrLuv.jpg)

Can't wait to hear what she tells

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/AlmaSr.jpg)

about her Daddy's new life and lover!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/pinkbigdiv.gif)


WHERE O WHERE ART THOU ENNIS?  (by MaineWriter)

I think we should all keep our

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/fingerscrossed.gif)


or perhaps, call on

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/oly1.jpg)

to pray to

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/sunset.jpg)

to bring

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/200614_166503_4_006.jpg)

home safe and sound to

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman1.jpg)

in the little home they share together

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0500403.jpg)

When Ennis is home, safe and sound (soon, we hope!) they will be able to eat

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/chunky_monkey_lg.gif)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/cherry_garcia_lg.gif)

and play with

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/t-tpc-1084.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tsupansm.jpg)

and maybe even with

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Maiden.gif)


And when they get to that point, life will be nothing but

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Bowl20of20Cherries.jpg)

This story brought to you by

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/heathledger-1.jpg)

who in real life looks like this

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Pickup18.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/pinkbigdiv.gif)


POOR ENNIS!  (by MaineWriter)

Poor Ennis! What a time he has had!

First, he gets hit on the

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/noggin.gif)

by a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/budweiser.jpg)

Despite taking lots of

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/05-aspirin.jpg)

and Ellery acting like a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/nurse_cap1.jpg)

it is likely he did not sleep like a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Mikal20Baby20Pic.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Mikal20Baby20Pic.jpg)

The next morning is awakened by the sound of

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/break_glass.jpg)

and the sight of thugs in the kitchen, who are wearing

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/stockings2.jpg)

but on their

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/noggin.gif)

not their

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/btn_thighs.jpg)


The tie up Ennis with a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/L_TKnot.jpg)

and speed away in a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/red_truck.jpg)

What happens next? Stay tuned....



To be continued .....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 06:08:11 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 22, 2006, 09:25:47 pm
Inane, perhaps, but I want to know:

How do you pronounce Sevigny?

suh VIG nee

Or

Suh VIN yee

Depending on how French you want to be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 06:14:35 am
The picture stories utterly crack me up.  I love em!

*And I can't believe I was explaining what poppingi the clutch is to an Anonymous on Livejournal!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 23, 2006, 06:25:25 am
Quote from: louisev on July 23, 2006, 06:14:35 am
The picture stories utterly crack me up.  I love em!

*And I can't believe I was explaining what poppingi the clutch is to an Anonymous on Livejournal!*

Well I suppose it all depends on what part of the world you come from Louise.  Over here in the UK we call it slipping the clutch.  And no, it wasnt me asking.  ;)  Love the next chapter of your story btw Leslie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 23, 2006, 07:48:11 am
Quote from: Jane on July 23, 2006, 06:25:25 am
Well I suppose it all depends on what part of the world you come from Louise.  Over here in the UK we call it slipping the clutch.  And no, it wasnt me asking.  ;)  Love the next chapter of your story btw Leslie.

Thanks, Jane. There is a thread for the story over in the fanfic section, if you want to post a comment or two. I would love to discuss more. There are people who are having strong reactions to Jack and Ennis's topic of conversation.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 23, 2006, 07:57:57 am
The pics are just great!!


Umm... is it just me, or is Bill REALLY good-looking ??


I'm kinda starting to see what Ellery saw in him...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 08:32:21 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/79291.html  "Chapter 15:  Meet the Press"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 23, 2006, 08:46:15 am
Louisev!  You've got me on the edge of my seat as usual!      :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 09:39:47 am
have no fear, no romantic love interests will be harmed during this episode!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 10:12:48 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/79403.html  "Chapter 16:  Perpetrator"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on July 23, 2006, 11:38:55 am
Quote from: RonitR on July 23, 2006, 07:57:57 am
The pics are just great!!

Umm... is it just me, or is Bill REALLY good-looking ??

I'm kinda starting to see what Ellery saw in him...

I totally agree,ronitr - about the picture stories and also about Bill, except REALLY, REALLY good looking!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 12:21:54 pm
Quote from: RonitR on July 23, 2006, 07:57:57 am
The pics are just great!!

Umm... is it just me, or is Bill REALLY good-looking ??

I'm kinda starting to see what Ellery saw in him...


Glad you are enjoying the pix!  ;)
And yap.. Bill is good-looking!  Ellery has an eye for good-looking men I guess, (well maybe except GunSlinger Gabe who was a one night stand deal anyway)..  Bill was with Ellery for 4 years, I figure he must've had something that kept Ellery interested for that long (especially since Bill was no saint)!  ;)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 12:30:30 pm
A little known fact about Bill which Ellery may unfortunately let slip some time in the future...

Bill had very good stamina in the sack.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 23, 2006, 12:32:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 23, 2006, 12:30:30 pm
A little known fact about Bill which Ellery may unfortunately let slip some time in the future...

Bill had very good stamina in the sack.

Well, so does Ennis, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 12:32:02 pm
Note to readers ...

There might be an R-rated pic below....
Proceed with caution ...  :P


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 12:34:50 pm
It's been wholesome, nice 'n relaxed over here this weekend...
So I thought I'd better raise the temperature a few notches!  :P


I love to see our boys waking up together ....


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/50dd10f1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 12:36:44 pm
But what I definitely don't mind seeing is ...  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/5834be8c.jpg)


...our boys getting downright fancy!

 :o


Enjoy the rest of your weekend folks!   ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 12:38:08 pm
Quote from: opinionista on July 23, 2006, 12:32:02 pm
Well, so does Ennis, doesn't he?

Ennis does pretty well for a 41-42 year old, sure.  But ol' Bill... well, he could ride all night.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 12:42:34 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 23, 2006, 12:36:44 pm
But what I definitely don't mind seeing is ...  ;D



...our boys getting downright fancy!


HOLY MOLY!  What a beefy Ennis shot!  With hands strategically placed.  Very inspiring Lucise.  I am going to have to cut to the chase with all this police procedural and get those boys back to the bedroom where they belong!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 12:45:19 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 23, 2006, 12:42:34 pm

HOLY MOLY!  What a beefy Ennis shot!  With hands strategically placed.  Very inspiring Lucise.  I am going to have to cut to the chase with all this police procedural and get those boys back to the bedroom where they belong!

YESSSS!!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 23, 2006, 12:47:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 23, 2006, 12:38:08 pm
Ennis does pretty well for a 41-42 year old, sure.  But ol' Bill... well, he could ride all night.

Poor Ennis, he's going to "see red" if Ellery lets that slip.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 01:11:55 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/79772.html  Chapter 17:  Shadow of a Killer"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 23, 2006, 02:07:18 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 23, 2006, 12:36:44 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/5834be8c.jpg)

HOT DAMN!    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 02:35:56 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/80103.html  "Chapter 18:  The Fourth Victim"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2006, 02:59:32 pm
hey! where is everybody?  Leslie and I are in chat all by our LONESOMES!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 23, 2006, 04:58:40 pm
Lucise, I vote for the scraggely blonde to be the radiator repairman Nate.
That is close to what I pictured first reading it.

besides, I love Cooter, and he is alittle too large framed, and too much good old boy to be quite that squirrelly.
At least in my mind anyway.

Thank You for the picture story--I love them!!
AND that b/w of Heath in the strawhat just takes my breath away and about stops my heart!! Thanks for that one especially!! Oh My we aren't going to touch the "grab" picture, no no no no. SIGH
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 23, 2006, 05:58:40 pm
(http://static.flickr.com/38/77860444_9bef926789.jpg?v=0)

"This is Dupree.  Oh, hi Sheriff.   Yes, I can help out while Ellery is busy.  What color socks am I wearing?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 23, 2006, 06:03:10 pm
 :laugh: :laugh: ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 23, 2006, 06:27:45 pm
(http://static.flickr.com/41/114942460_d2acdef179.jpg?v=0)

"So did you hear that Louisev and Leslie are coming to London?"

"Yes, that Bloke DavidinHartford told me.  Too bad they can't get him over here again."

"I tell you, that Ellery sure is lucky. I'd fancy a shag with Ennis any day!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 23, 2006, 06:41:46 pm
(http://static.flickr.com/42/84504905_f22c42f7c9.jpg?v=0)

With a shortage of Patrol cars, Wes puts the men on horseback!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 07:23:51 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on July 23, 2006, 04:58:40 pm
Lucise, I vote for the scraggely blonde to be the radiator repairman Nate.
That is close to what I pictured first reading it.

besides, I love Cooter, and he is alittle too large framed, and too much good old boy to be quite that squirrelly.
At least in my mind anyway.

Guys -  are we all agreed that the blonde is Nate?  I am cool with that choice too!

Quote
Thank You for the picture story--I love them!!
AND that b/w of Heath in the strawhat just takes my breath away and about stops my heart!! Thanks for that one especially!! Oh My we aren't going to touch the "grab" picture, no no no no. SIGH

RanchGal - I am glad that you are loving the pix and all the Photo Stories..
Are our galleries growing or what??   ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 23, 2006, 08:02:37 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 23, 2006, 02:59:32 pm
hey! where is everybody?  Leslie and I are in chat all by our LONESOMES!

Hello, dear friends! Sorry to have been missing in action over this weekend. I had a wedding in Spokane, Washington yesterday, then my delightful seven year old granddaughter spent the night at my house last night. She was generous enough with her grandpa's time to allow me to read chapters as they were posted, but there was no way I could be in chat, too. I'll be trying to make up for it in coming days.
                                              :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 23, 2006, 08:16:19 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 23, 2006, 07:23:51 pm
Guys -  are we all agreed that the blonde is Nate?  I am cool with that choice too!

RanchGal - I am glad that you are loving the pix and all the Photo Stories..
Are our galleries growing or what??   ;)



I have always loved the blond as Nate, since I suggested him in the first place!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 09:06:54 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 23, 2006, 08:16:19 pm
I have always loved the blond as Nate, since I suggested him in the first place!

L

I choose the blonde too!  Gallery has been updated!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 23, 2006, 09:36:26 pm
I dunno ladies.   As much as I love drooling over hunky Blondes,  I still think the story Nate was less attractive and grubbier looking.     The Blonde you picked out looks more like Bo duke!   

Louisev?   It is your character, whats the verdict?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 23, 2006, 09:54:14 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 23, 2006, 09:36:26 pm
I dunno ladies.   As much as I love drooling over hunky Blondes,  I still think the story Nate was less attractive and grubbier looking.     The Blonde you picked out looks more like Bo duke!   

Louisev?   It is your character, whats the verdict?

Okay, Louise gets the last say ...
In the mean time, I'll put 'Grubby Nate' back in the gallery ...lol  ::)    :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 23, 2006, 10:48:24 pm
Quote from: opinionista on July 21, 2006, 09:35:44 am
You know, I consider myself a together person in a lot of aspect of my life. (You can't be a together person in all of them, I think),   ...   Love and lust make you do stupid things. That's a truth.

Having been out of town, I am still many pages behind, but wanted to stop and nod my agreement here.  **nods heartily** 

(and I come back to fine Leslie and Louise are moderators - very exciting... congratulations to you both!)

(also - I've been thinking the Laramie Saga may be better suited for t.v. rather than film - then we don't have to sacrifice all the little details.  of course, it would need to be on HBO or Showtime... I don't think regular prime time could handle all the fancy stuff the boys get up to...)

Okay back to catching up... :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 23, 2006, 11:46:54 pm
Hey Louise,

Just a minor question... so obviously there are two threads for E and E - one here, and over on Chez Tremblay... are they supposed to be covering two different things (i.e. is one supposed to be more literary than the other?)  Or are they gonna get merged?

Just want to be sure to post all of my "Oh, let me count the ways I love thee, E and E" comments in the appropriate space.
Thanks.
 ;D
nB
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 24, 2006, 02:44:07 am
Quote from: louisev on July 23, 2006, 12:38:08 pm
Ennis does pretty well for a 41-42 year old, sure.  But ol' Bill... well, he could ride all night.

Oh, dear God !  Ennis is going to FLIP when he hears this...

Am I a bad person for wanting Ennis to find out soon?

Guess I am. A bad, bad person...RonitR hangs head in shame....

But then perks up considerably thinking of Jealous!Ennis and hot explosive "I am every bit as good in the sack as your former boyfriend " sex...


p.s - I also vote for grubby Nate. Seems truer to character (as is shown in my overactive imagination)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 03:43:13 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 23, 2006, 11:46:54 pm
Hey Louise,

Just a minor question... so obviously there are two threads for E and E - one here, and over on Chez Tremblay... are they supposed to be covering two different things (i.e. is one supposed to be more literary than the other?)  Or are they gonna get merged?

Just want to be sure to post all of my "Oh, let me count the ways I love thee, E and E" comments in the appropriate space.
Thanks.
 ;D
nB

I haven't got any plans to merge these threads.  This forum is more of a book announcement and general thread and the Ennis and Ellery has gotten into much deeper discussion, as well as chapter announcements.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 03:50:41 am
oooh I don't want to start choosing sides on "who plays the mechanic" here.  This is your fantasy as well as mine, and why not have a choice for each vision?

As far as the pics go, David I think they are hilarious?  "Fancy a shag with Ennis anyday" indeed!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 03:53:31 am
Quote from: RonitR on July 24, 2006, 02:44:07 am
Oh, dear God !  Ennis is going to FLIP when he hears this...

Am I a bad person for wanting Ennis to find out soon?

Guess I am. A bad, bad person...RonitR hangs head in shame....

But then perks up considerably thinking of Jealous!Ennis and hot explosive "I am every bit as good in the sack as your former boyfriend " sex...


yeah he might flip.  But yes Jealous!Ennis does get pretty wild in the sack.  Speaking of sacks... I am hoping tonight to get through the other plot details hanging fire and get home so that the boys can have a bit of snuggling and whatever sex they can manage with Ennis's wounds.  But first of all... work calls!

Thanks everyone for all of your LJ comments and pm's and pictures and comments and suggestions!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 24, 2006, 06:41:02 am
I can't image Ellery ever telling Ennis that Bill could ride longer and harder.

First of all, Ellery wouldn't want to hurt his fealings.

Secondly,  guys know ya can't say those kinda things!   It would be attacking his manhood.    There are some things about ex's that you just keep to yourself.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 24, 2006, 07:36:52 am
Quote from: pastorfred on July 23, 2006, 08:02:37 pm
Hello, dear friends! Sorry to have been missing in action over this weekend. I had a wedding in Spokane, Washington yesterday, then my delightful seven year old granddaughter spent the night at my house last night. She was generous enough with her grandpa's time to allow me to read chapters as they were posted, but there was no way I could be in chat, too. I'll be trying to make up for it in coming days.
                                              :)

I was missing you Fred! I'll be on the chat later today. I have a couple of things to do. Be back later!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 08:21:56 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 24, 2006, 06:41:02 am
I can't image Ellery ever telling Ennis that Bill could ride longer and harder.

First of all, Ellery wouldn't want to hurt his fealings.

Secondly,  guys know ya can't say those kinda things!   It would be attacking his manhood.    There are some things about ex's that you just keep to yourself.   

that is very true.  But there might come a time when... something slips out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 24, 2006, 09:33:52 am
Let's make this an even 2100 with a good morning to Ennis and Ellery, their fans, and Louise! Beautiful day here in Maine, looking forward to more adventures today, Louise.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 24, 2006, 09:36:29 am
Quote from: louisev on July 23, 2006, 12:30:30 pm
A little known fact about Bill which Ellery may unfortunately let slip some time in the future... Bill had very good stamina in the sack.

I'm hoping this will ultimately lead our boys to a lengthy lovemaking session which will require at least two chapters to fully describe in intimate detail.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 10:00:51 am
after a difficult and passionate shouting match.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 11:15:25 am
Well gang,

I had a both relaxing! and productive! day at work today.  Considering the hair-raising hijinks of the weekend, with sirens and fires and traffic being rerouted through my normally sleeply little burb of Burbach... I found out today that a rubber warehouse near my house had burned down.  Hence all the billowing black smoke, and the lingering sickly acrid odor permeating the air in our neighborhood.  Just lovely to sniff when it's over 30 degrees C.  And yes... the smell is STILL there.

It occurs to me after the fact that the unrelenting "police emergency" theme from Saturday's chapters may have had a lot to do with hearing sirens for 12 hours straight.  I think that means things will settle down in the foregoing chapters I have yet to write tonight!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 24, 2006, 11:19:06 am
Quote from: neatfreak on July 24, 2006, 09:36:29 am
I'm hoping this will ultimately lead our boys to a lengthy lovemaking session which will require at least two chapters to fully describe in intimate detail.

2 At the very least!! ;) ;) btw Louise I,ve started reading the story all over again from the start.(I,ve also got to stock up on more ink for my printer) It gets better with each reading. Ennis has really come a long long way hasnt he? I know he,s not comfortable with public shows of affection yet, but in the interview room he hugged Ellery and called him darlin without seeming to care that Edna was in the room so thats a good thing.
Great story Louise, as always. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 24, 2006, 12:11:43 pm
Friends--

I am having the weirdest reaction and you need to help me a bit.

If you read back a few pages, when we were doing a little re-introduction of ourselves, I mentioned how I found out about Ennis & Ellery in the first place--an email from a fellow fanfic author who was commenting more on Louise's incredible output, rather than on the story. Anyway, I happened to get an email from her earlier today (we don't correspond all that regularly, more like once in awhile) and in my reply I said, "Did you ever start reading the E&E story? You originally sent me the link and I got hooked."

She writes back and says she had to quit reading after 5 or 6 chapters and listed all the reasons...none of which happened in the first 5 or 6 chapters. In fact, some of her reasons never happened at all! But meanwhile, even while admitting she didn't read the story, she is busy tearing it down.

I have the same reaction to people who say, "I will not watch BBM, but..." and then provide an inaccurate critque.

I am so tempted to write back and blast her out of the water but then I say, what's the point? Why bother? If she doesn't want to read, she doesn't need to read, right? But it is that visceral reaction of "don't you dare say anything bad about E&E!" And it is also the reaction of those who would critique a story who haven't even read it. THAT just makes me see red.

I think I am also a little po'ed because way back when she wouldn't read my story, with the lame excuse that she wasn't reading any fanfics while she wrote her own. I knew that wasn't true since she was posting reviews all over the place, but whatever. Now she comes back and tells me she has started reading my story and guess what? She thinks it's good! Wowza! But then she says, "I wouldn't read it originally, because I didn't think you were going to be nice to Jack." Huh? "I saw it on a list of stories with happy endings and decided to give it a try." What's that called--damning with faint praise? Please.

Sorry for the rant, I just needed to get that off my chest. Thanks for listening.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 24, 2006, 12:28:10 pm
Leslie, in regards to your question, how did we get here to the board? Louise directed me from a pm. I picked up the story on the DC board.

About the individual who had stopped reading Ennis and Ellery,for whatever reason.  Your instict to defend is admirable, but to what point?  Are you going to change this persons mind?

We know what we have here.  Louise has provided alot of healing and ability to "MOVE ON", not just for Ennis, but alot of us!  Besides E & E are fictional characters.  If the individual had something negitive to say about a real person, than a well thought out reasonable response is justified. 

Louise is doing an incrediable job as far as we are concerned.  From output to plot driven story that has got and keeps us all riveted to our computer screens. 

I think the story speaks for itself! 

Best // Bob
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 24, 2006, 12:47:35 pm
Quote from: gn411 on July 24, 2006, 12:28:10 pm
Leslie, in regards to your question, how did we get here to the board? Louise directed me from a pm. I picked up the story on the DC board.

About the individual who had stopped reading Ennis and Ellery,for whatever reason.  Your instict to defend is admirable, but to what point?  Are you going to change this persons mind?

We know what we have here.  Louise has provided alot of healing and ability to "MOVE ON", not just for Ennis, but alot of us!  Besides E & E are fictional characters.  If the individual had something negitive to say about a real person, than a well thought out reasonable response is justified. 

Louise is doing an incrediable job as far as we are concerned.  From output to plot driven story that has got and keeps us all riveted to our computer screens. 

I think the story speaks for itself! 

Best // Bob

Thank you, Bob. Calm, rational people always help me when my blood pressure goes sky high!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 12:51:09 pm
Authors in the commercial fiction world never have to worry about readers:  they, and their publishers, worry about sales.  If the book is sold to a customer, the author literally would not care less whether the person puts it on their shelf (many do) or reads it, because the book is sold and the author and publisher have benefited from it.  It isnt really any of the author's business how many people actually read it.  Presumably, however, having spent 8.95 or 13.95 or whatever the going rate is for paperback or hardcover books, purchasers are going to most likely read, sooner or later.

Fan fiction is free, and like many free things, is not valued the same as items people pay for.  And reading is for the pleasure, or for the motivation - such as looking for a new and more hopeful ending, immersing oneself in a future where Jack doesn't die and he and Ennis make a happy life together, a telling of BBM that involves far more explicit sexual descriptions for entertainment value.  Whatever it is, people shop for it, and they do so mostly by word of mouth.

For whatever peculiar psychological reason, there are really only two kinds of readers of the "Laramie Saga":  those who love it, and those who start reading and drop it lilke a rock.  I have talked with a lot of people about why this is so, and haven't drawn any hard and fast conclusions, except that AU fiction that posits a happy and sex-filled future in a safe haven for Jack and Ennis are the preferred reading of most fan fiction writers.  For those who prefer to read the original ending and stick with that, they also tend to prefer fiction where Ennis works through his grief and pain without substantially improving his lot in life, and without finding another lover.  These are popular tastes in the fan fiction world.

I didnt write this saga for those people.  I wrote for those who, identifiying too closely with Ennis, and feeling a gaping wound left at the end of the film or story, have to complete the story with a plausible future outcome for Ennis and a step by step resolution of his losses and pains, and doing so in the context of a new, healthier love relationship with another man.  This audience is people who need to have a mirror for the kind of change they personally would like to accomplish for themselves - and not everyone wants to do that, and as we well know, not every fan fiction reader wants to see that unfold in a story.  So without sounding smug (No, I don't believe that those readers who want to move on are better people... just in a different place with respect to the original story/film), the Laramie Saga is for a specialized audience.  Like Brokeback Mountain itself - it does not speak to everyone, and it will leave many readers who fell in love with BBM - completely cold.

That's okay too.  While it is patently unfair to write something off that you haven't read... readers of fan fiction get what they pay for.  And any time they feel they didn't get what they wanted in my story --- they are welcome to ask for a refund.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 24, 2006, 12:54:37 pm
Howdy folks!  :)

Louise - I too am looking forward to some intense "fancy" chapters!  :P

Leslie - I agree with Bob!  We got a good thing happenin' here, and we sure as heck don't need to prove it to anyone.  It's a sweet life with E&E, thank you Louise!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 24, 2006, 01:05:33 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 24, 2006, 12:54:37 pm
Howdy folks!  :)

Louise - I too am looking forward to some intense "fancy" chapters!  :P

Leslie - I agree with Bob!  We got a good thing happenin' here, and we sure as heck don't need to prove it to anyone.  It's a sweet life with E&E, thank you Louise!  :-*

Hi Lucise.  I think that after all the "excitement" for want of a better word of the past few days, "our boys" could do with a LOT of fancy. ;) ;) ;) I,ts been like Starsky and Hutch in Laramie these past few days. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 01:16:15 pm
you are all quite welcome...

I am idling in chat chatting with Leslie right now if anyone wants to join in, and yes, I am busily

*typity type typing*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 24, 2006, 01:42:48 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 24, 2006, 12:11:43 pm
Friends--

I am having the weirdest reaction and you need to help me a bit....


I am so tempted to write back and blast her out of the water but then I say, what's the point? Why bother? If she doesn't want to read, she doesn't need to read, right? But it is that visceral reaction of "don't you dare say anything bad about E&E!" And it is also the reaction of those who would critique a story who haven't even read it. THAT just makes me see red...



Leslie,

I can really understand why you are  so upset with your friend .

But, think of it this way – you actually owe her, big time. She sent you the firts link to the "Laramie Saga", which you love and enjoy to this day….. that is actually quite a favour…

Personally, I can't understand why people are sometimes so mean to some fanfictions. 
I even have to confess that some huge crowd-pleasers left me cold (  **cough**  HI** cough** ), but I still don't feel their writers and/or readers should be tarred and feathered…. :-\

Also, heated debate is a sign that a story touches people deeply and emotionally, which, in a way, is a huge compliment to its' author … (i mean, what would you rather write – a story that left people heated-up, or a story that people read, say "oh, nice" and then 5 seconds later can't be bothered to remember what's it about.. ??).

That's just my 2 cents worth though…

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 02:28:53 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/80351.html  "Chapter 19:  The First Victim"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2006, 04:18:31 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/80440.html  "Chapter 20:  The Out of Towners"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 24, 2006, 04:52:46 pm
Quote from: RonitR on July 24, 2006, 01:42:48 pm
Leslie,

I can really understand why you are  so upset with your friend .

But, think of it this way – you actually owe her, big time. She sent you the firts link to the "Laramie Saga", which you love and enjoy to this day….. that is actually quite a favour…

Personally, I can't understand why people are sometimes so mean to some fanfictions. 
I even have to confess that some huge crowd-pleasers left me cold (  **cough**  HI** cough** ), but I still don't feel their writers and/or readers should be tarred and feathered…. :-\

Also, heated debate is a sign that a story touches people deeply and emotionally, which, in a way, is a huge compliment to its' author … (i mean, what would you rather write – a story that left people heated-up, or a story that people read, say "oh, nice" and then 5 seconds later can't be bothered to remember what's it about.. ??).

That's just my 2 cents worth though…



Lesile dear,

I think RonitR has a point. But if this person really bothers you, you can always ignore her/her somehow. Perhaps not answering her emails, but believe me I know what is to feel like you're feeling now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 24, 2006, 08:49:10 pm
Gee..awful quiet here aint it?
Where is everybody?    ???

Let's see if Beefy!Ennis can wake y'all up!!   :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/7aacbbd7.jpg)

 8)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 24, 2006, 09:45:24 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 24, 2006, 08:49:10 pm
Gee..awful quiet here aint it?
Where is everybody?    ???

Let's see if Beefy!Ennis can wake y'all up!!   :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/7aacbbd7.jpg)

 8)



And which part of Ennis is beefy? LOL...oh yes!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 24, 2006, 10:17:52 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 24, 2006, 08:49:10 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/7aacbbd7.jpg)

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Lucise - you always know just what a girl needs to see!
 ;D
Thank goodness.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 24, 2006, 10:24:31 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 24, 2006, 10:15:17 pm
(http://static.flickr.com/71/197646389_7c16346f78.jpg?v=0)

Your picture was nice too, David!  E and E will be in bed soon enough, though I doubt Ennis' back will look quite so perfect tonight...lol.
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 24, 2006, 10:38:28 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 24, 2006, 10:17:52 pm
Lucise - you always know just what a girl needs to see!
 ;D
Thank goodness.

Quote from: MaineWriter on July 24, 2006, 09:45:24 pm
And which part of Ennis is beefy? LOL...oh yes!

L

hehehe ... 8)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 24, 2006, 10:55:31 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 24, 2006, 10:24:31 pm
Your picture was nice too, David!  E and E will be in bed soon enough, though I doubt Ennis' back will look quite so perfect tonight...lol.
 ;)

What pic is this?  It is no longer available!!
hey David, what pic did you post there?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 25, 2006, 12:03:51 am
Quote from: louisev on July 24, 2006, 12:51:09 pm
I wrote for those who, identifiying too closely with Ennis, and feeling a gaping wound left at the end of the film or story, have to complete the story with a plausible future outcome for Ennis and a step by step resolution of his losses and pains, and doing so in the context of a new, healthier love relationship with another man.  This audience is people who need to have a mirror for the kind of change they personally would like to accomplish for themselves - and not everyone wants to do that, and as we well know, not every fan fiction reader wants to see that unfold in a story. 

Are we are Ennises who want to achieve change in our lives despite our tendency to maintain the status quo or maybe we are a combination of the two - Jacks who love the Ennis within and can make that leap of faith that he can change?

Another deep question. Would Ennis really prefer Ellery to wear a burqua while out in public?

PS Am now back home from my travels and jetlagged. It's winter again but at least I have my own PC at last!

PPS I will still be visiting other dc threads including my beloved symbolism thread.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 25, 2006, 12:09:38 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 24, 2006, 10:55:31 pm
What pic is this?  It is no longer available!!
hey David, what pic did you post there?  ;D

Lucise - it was a blond guy and a brown haired guy in bed together.  Both wearing denims.  Brown haired guy sitting with his back to the headboard, with his shirt off.  Blond haired guy sort of sitting in his lap, arms stretched over his head, midst taking off his t-shirt...  not that I looked at the picture for a long time or anything...

(I just realized the 'real me' would have said - "both wearing jeans" - that was me doing Laramie speak up there... hee hee.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 25, 2006, 12:11:42 am
Uh, what's a burqua, and how embarrassed should I be for having to ask the question?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 25, 2006, 12:15:20 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 25, 2006, 12:11:42 am
Uh, what's a burqua, and how embarrassed should I be for having to ask the question?

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1640000/images/_1644393_burqua.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 25, 2006, 12:17:15 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 25, 2006, 12:09:38 am
Lucise - it was a blond guy and a brown haired guy in bed together.  Both wearing denims.  Brown haired guy sitting with his back to the headboard, with his shirt off.  Blond haired guy sort of sitting in his lap, arms stretched over his head, midst taking off his t-shirt...  not that I looked at the picture for a long time or anything...

woowee!  ;D
Errr...David, could you PM me that pic?  8)  hehe ...  Cheers...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 25, 2006, 12:30:20 am
Next question - how on earth do Ennis and Ellery know what a burqua is?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 25, 2006, 01:10:18 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 25, 2006, 12:30:20 am
Next question - how on earth do Ennis and Ellery know what a burqua is?

They don't. But if Ennis ever finds out, I'm sure he'll demand that Ellery wear it in public!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 25, 2006, 01:37:34 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 25, 2006, 01:10:18 am
They don't. But if Ennis ever finds out, I'm sure he'll demand that Ellery wear it in public!

No, he wouldn't ..lol!
He just doesn't want Ellery exposing his "French Territories" to the world ... hehe ;D
All Ennis is trying to say is:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/d3da7cdb.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 25, 2006, 01:41:44 am
Maybe. But only the other day he told him to put a shirt on before going into the kitchen. What is next I ask.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 03:42:44 am
I think Ennis wants to restrict Ellery-viewing from the public eye...!

I hope you all enjoyed our episodes of CSI:Laramie, but I think we'll have to get back to the romance and fancy part soon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 25, 2006, 03:53:26 am
Quote from: louisev on July 25, 2006, 03:42:44 am
I hope you all enjoyed our episodes of CSI:Laramie, but I think we'll have to get back to the romance and fancy part soon.

Louise, it sure looks like Beefy!Ennis needs the "getting fancy" bit rather urgently ...  :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/7aacbbd7.jpg)


Hehe..a great way for me to call it a night!
See y'all in a coupla hours..!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 25, 2006, 04:26:33 am
I am worried about what Jim Allen wife told Dupree:

“Pictures a somebody important that was gonna cause some sort a political scandal.”

AND Jim was working at the Red Stallion. Who do we know who's "important" that goes there except Ellery?

"Outing " Ellery to the press, as a gay man & gay-bar owner, could seriously jeopardize his position at the Sheriff's office, might even jeopardize his job.
(can't see how it would help Worrell's case any..)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 04:28:35 am
I wanted to share a response I made elsewhere in a discussion of the phenomenon of the OTP "One True Pairing" in Brokeback fan fiction, which of course, refers to Ennis and Jack.  Someone made a comment about how personal experience plays a role in one's fan fic preferences, and here is what I responded:



You point out a very important thing, and that is, everyone has brought to Brokeback Mountain, the story and the film, their own lives, loves and heartbreaks, and to them, the loss of Jack means something individual, something personal, something undeniably real and universal and yet quite private and undoubtedly emotional.  To many, and I would have to say from the experiences of reading the fan fics and comments here, most here, au fictions that complete the story with Jack alive - provide them with the solace and comfort they need.  For others, they are comforted by a future with Ennis alone, sad, and struggling, remembering Jack.  And for a third and no less important group (not to say there aren't others, just my observation) there are those who enjoy reading a story about Ennis facing a brighter future, that offers both healing and love.  All of these are different ways to deal with our experiences of Brokeback.  I maintain there is room for all of those folks and all of their preferences. 

For the fics I wrote, I drew on the experience of a close friend who lost his childhood sweetheart to sudden death by cancer, and was so swallowed by the intense grief that he teetered on the edge of suicide long afterward, convinced he would not want to live without his dead mate.  And one day, a man who had been a client and friend, reached out to him, and a new love was born on the ashes of his grief.  He struggled with the guilt and his own mourning, but over time his relief was palpable, and necessary. As his relationship grew, he realized that his new love was a tribute to the first, a continuation of it -- because he had a need to continue giving that love to a living person, as an expression of his love for the one he could no longer hold.  This is a very real phenomenon for some (perhaps not you, perhaps not many), but for those who must go on and love again - it rings true.  I say, to each his own.

I will add for the benefit of readers here: What is necessary for one to move on and love again, is the belief, rooted in the original love relationship, that the lost loved one would want good for the survivor, to encourage him to move on, to love again, and to be happy.  And  this belief is purely a function of the type of relationship the two lovers had before death intervened.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 25, 2006, 05:11:42 am
Quote from: louisev on July 25, 2006, 03:42:44 am
I think Ennis wants to restrict Ellery-viewing from the public eye...!

I hope you all enjoyed our episodes of CSI:Laramie, but I think we'll have to get back to the romance and fancy part soon.

CSI: Laramie! LOL, that one was good Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 25, 2006, 06:44:52 am
Sorry about that, technical difficulties ya know.  Here is that pic again of E&E "Off Duty"   LOL

(http://static.flickr.com/60/197921415_e4ff205311.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 06:49:41 am
I am thinking about Ellery and his preferences at home...to submit a bit after dealing with blowhards all day, as he would say. He's been dealing with blowhards for days on end, no time for "a taste a the dominant" at home, and now he has the afternoon off...

We know that Ennis has a great capacity to heal quickly...really, really quickly. Remember when he got spooked by the bear and thrown from his horse? That huge gash on his face which healed in a matter of days, without antibiotics or sterile dressings, and left no visible scar? Let's hope that that extraordinary healing power comes into play again. I need me some gettin' fancy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 25, 2006, 06:54:45 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 06:49:41 am
I need me some gettin' fancy!
L

LOL,   Trust me, that photo I posted above is the ONLY one from that photo set I could post without violating the forum rules!     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 06:59:15 am
David is off to register his new car today. I designed a license plate for him...this one is really available. Too bad he doesn't live in Maine!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:07:36 am
I may need to re-register my car!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate1.gif)


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 25, 2006, 07:16:20 am
LOL!   Funny that you say that Leslie!    We have plenty of Maine plates runing around down here in Connecticut.    Turns out a few years ago our safety inspections got real hard for some clunkers to pass.  So these folks discovered that you can register a vehicle in Maine without a safety inspection and you DON'T need a Maine address!

You mail in a check to the Maine DMV with your registration and they'll mail you back a set of license plates to Connecticut!   The don't care if you're not a resident!    And trust me, these old clunkers in the worst section of town are not folks with Maine vacation homes!    LOL.

Maine shouldn't allow this, but they must like the money it generates.  Connecticut DMV is furious at this, but they can't just pull over every car with Maine tags!    So they expect people to report their neighbors if they are doing this.  Yeah! right!

We can't make such creative plates here in CT.   We can't mix letters and numbers unless separated by a dot.   We don't have any of these "! @ # $ % & * +" symbols either.   (New Hampshire lets you use those too.)   Connecticut has strange vanity plate rules.   We are limited to six characters too.  :(

Here are Some I thought of:

BBM-FAN

LUV-BBM

TWIST

BBM-1

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:23:53 am
Unfortunately, TWIST is not available, but you have some other choices...


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate6.gif)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate5.gif)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate4.gif)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate3.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:35:59 am
Those are nice, David, but I am still partial to the E&E 4EVA style, myself...that's what I think you really need!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:42:09 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:07:36 am
I may need to re-register my car!

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I actually just checked on this...vanity plates in Wyoming are called "Prestige Plates" and you can't search on them online...so no way of knowing if Ennis and Ellery are available. Actually, EJC is more what I picture on the blue El Camino...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 07:46:58 am
Wayne has a little Toyota Corona (the little hatchback that was seen just about everywhere in the late 70's and early 1980's, I believe) and the Prestige plate on that car says:

"ISUKCOK"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:50:06 am
Quote from: louisev on July 25, 2006, 07:46:58 am
Wayne has a little Toyota Corona (the little hatchback that was seen just about everywhere in the late 70's and early 1980's, I believe) and the Prestige plate on that car says:

"ISUKCOK"

Do you think the prisoner hammering this out up in Warren would realize what it says?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate7.gif)

(Folks, this is a real license plate which the Maine DMV is telling me is available!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 07:52:24 am
Yeah, he does.  And he's saying "so do I, bud, so do I."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:55:03 am
In one of the more bizarre twists of license-plate land, this is available:

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but SPANKEE is taken. Too bad...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 09:18:31 am
 I was just looking at Leslie's license plates ENNIS and ELLERY, and it occurred to me that on one level, the romance between our heroes has a mystical significance based upon the mirroring of their names, as though they are complimentary parts of the same thing, the inner-directed power of Ennis and the outward and worldly Ellery, together making a combination that complements both of them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 10:02:07 am
Quote from: louisev on July 25, 2006, 09:18:31 am
I was just looking at Leslie's license plates ENNIS and ELLERY, and it occurred to me that on one level, the romance between our heroes has a mystical significance based upon the mirroring of their names, as though they are complimentary parts of the same thing, the inner-directed power of Ennis and the outward and worldly Ellery, together making a combination that complements both of them.

I have always liked the way their names go together. I also like the 4 L's in Ellery's name. I have 4 L's in my name, too, and something about all those lovely L's rolling together off my tongue has always appealed to me.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 25, 2006, 11:06:57 am
Louise, how do you arrive at your characters' names? All of them suit the personalities that you have given them, and that is not easy to do. I've read more than one story where the characters' names are artificial and distracting. The names you have chosen are age- and era- appropriate as well. Nicely done!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 11:16:13 am
um. I know this is going to sound weird and hokey but... as a writer, I write mostly from inspiration.  That is to say when I conceive of a character, their character sort of comes with a name.  If that makes sense.  Or when I visualize the character I can hear someone call them that name.  In the case of a newly created character in chapter 19:  Corinne Allen.  I was thinking of a tiny, well put together south Texas girl:  She's got to have one of those names doesn't she?  Like the ones we know, Lureen, Lashawn...

Corinne!

Sometimes I pick names out of personalities I have known myself in the past.  If you ever see a Doreen show up in a story you can rest assured that girl is going to be an A number 1 top shelf bitch queen.  Because that is just how Doreens are.  I hope that er, explains somehow.

As far as being "time appropriate" one reason why I feel a bit at ease writing about the early 1980's is because that is when I was involved in both college and a marital relationship, and was most involved in the culture around me through the university and through work and my relationship with my husband.  Not only this, but I am also not much older than Ennis is at this time period, so I have a feel for what "being this age", and having worked in a profession for 15 or 20 years is like.

For some reason, people who are in their upper teens and early 20's always sound like they are in their upper teens and early 20's when they write their stories.  It is something ineffable and yet unerring.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 25, 2006, 11:26:45 am
You sure don't need my help, but if you have a beehived bleached blonde who chews big wads of gum, how 'bout Cloreen? ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 25, 2006, 11:27:51 am
Morning folks!  :)

Loving the license plates!

David - cheers for re-posting that pic!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 25, 2006, 11:31:04 am
Quote from: louisev on July 25, 2006, 07:46:58 am
Wayne has a little Toyota Corona (the little hatchback that was seen just about everywhere in the late 70's and early 1980's, I believe) and the Prestige plate on that car says:

"ISUKCOK"

Like this?   LOL    :laugh:

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 11:35:00 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 25, 2006, 11:27:51 am
Morning folks!  :)

Loving the license plates!

David - cheers for re-posting that pic!  ;D

I think we have a new gallery starting....the license plate gallery!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 11:40:31 am
So sweet....

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(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate10.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 25, 2006, 11:45:39 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 11:35:00 am
I think we have a new gallery starting....the license plate gallery!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/1ad481cd.jpg)


Something tells me Ennis would never ever use this particular license plate:


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/20472b41.jpg)


lol...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 11:46:34 am
Um, a slighty racier version....Ellery might need a new car for his.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 11:48:29 am
Lucise,

It is the SPANKER one that needs to be on that truck, I think. Ellery was pissed when Wayne got the ISUKCOK plate, but he knew Wes would never approve, anyway...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 11:51:42 am
Oh, by the way, I checked: COYOTE and KYOTE are both unavailable  :(

but this one is up for grabs....

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 12:34:26 pm
Maybe they want to express their preferences a little bit more openly to the world...

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 01:11:47 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/80813.html  "Chapter 21:  Alone at Last"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 01:51:40 pm
A double cliff hanger--what's the story with the gun and hanging on getting fancy, too. All we got was a passionate kiss!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 03:11:13 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/80986.html  "Chapter 22:  Desperate Measures"

you know what this is.  The getting fancy part.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 04:13:33 pm

Update to "Shelter From the Storm"


http://louisev.livejournal.com/81344.html  "Chapter 23:  Intruder"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 25, 2006, 04:41:05 pm
Well that last one (INtruder) certainly gave me the creeps!! I don't like him, and I don't think he is as innocent as he seems to pretend to be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2006, 05:01:38 pm
Sevigny is like one of those too-clever suspect/witness people that used to show up in Columbo episodes... having some clever inside angle and sidling up to the investigating detective all the time.  As to what it means to the big picture... right now, your guess is as good as mine.

But poor Stills has some work to do on his surveillance... he thought the intruder was 30 to 35 years old.  He's only off by 10 years.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 25, 2006, 05:05:03 pm
It seems that Ellery is the center of this maelstrom! When are he and Ennis going to get a break from all this and have a chance to talk about their relationship? They need another camping trip!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 25, 2006, 05:15:31 pm
I don't know that I want them to anywhere till they get this all wrapped up and find the real killer.
and find out what Brad's angle in this is.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 25, 2006, 07:12:02 pm
I'm new here, and I just wanted to say "Hi!"  I actually signed up a few days ago (thank you, Louise, for pointing me in this direction), but I haven't posted before because I was doing a reading marathon to get up to date on the Laramie Saga.  When I got caught up, I thought that would be the end of the 4 AM bedtimes, but then I started reading the posts here, and couldn't stop.  Of course I had to start at page 1 and work my way through them all! (Can you say "anal retentive"?!)  Anyway, after a couple more late nights, I'm caught up.  I really love the posts here - a great combination of serious discussions and LOL stuff.  I love the photo galleries (and might I add - Hugh Jackman as Ellery: YUM!)  The license plates are fun.  I vote for "MRKYOTE" for Ennis. But then, I am partial to coyotes.  (My username on LJ is fancycoyote.)

Anyway, "Hi!", I'm happy to be here, you all sound like a really nice group of people!

Laurel
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:27:38 pm
Quote from: laurel on July 25, 2006, 07:12:02 pm
I'm new here, and I just wanted to say "Hi!"  I actually signed up a few days ago (thank you, Louise, for pointing me in this direction), but I haven't posted before because I was doing a reading marathon to get up to date on the Laramie Saga.  When I got caught up, I thought that would be the end of the 4 AM bedtimes, but then I started reading the posts here, and couldn't stop.  Of course I had to start at page 1 and work my way through them all! (Can you say "anal retentive"?!)  Anyway, after a couple more late nights, I'm caught up.  I really love the posts here - a great combination of serious discussions and LOL stuff.  I love the photo galleries (and might I add - Hugh Jackman as Ellery: YUM!)  The license plates are fun.  I vote for "MRKYOTE" for Ennis. But then, I am partial to coyotes.  (My username on LJ is fancycoyote.)

Anyway, "Hi!", I'm happy to be here, you all sound like a really nice group of people!


Laurel

Hey Laurel, welcome, glad to have you here!


Glad you've enjoyed this little bit of wildness known as the Ennis and Ellery thread. We do have a good time here and look forward to having you join us for our unique mix of silliness and serious discussion.

Enjoy the story...I look forward to getting to know you better.

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 25, 2006, 08:18:04 pm
Welcome to Laramie Laurel!  ;D

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 09:20:51 pm
I see Mr. Coyote says hi...here's a big ol'Wyoming welcome from the El man himself...

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 25, 2006, 09:24:00 pm
Hello Laurel!    :)

A Big Cyber welcome to you!

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 25, 2006, 10:28:46 pm
 :) Hi Laurel, hope you enjoy the site as much as the rest of us do.
(I don't do fancy stuff like the talents displayed from the others, just thought I would say Welcome.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 26, 2006, 12:09:15 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:07:36 am
I may need to re-register my car!

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Leslie - that is the best idea I've heard all day! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 26, 2006, 12:11:43 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 25, 2006, 07:42:09 am
I actually just checked on this...vanity plates in Wyoming are called "Prestige Plates" and you can't search on them online...so no way of knowing if Ennis and Ellery are available. Actually, EJC is more what I picture on the blue El Camino...

L

slow day at work today?  or were you just up early?

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 26, 2006, 12:14:36 am
Quote from: louisev on July 25, 2006, 09:18:31 am
I was just looking at Leslie's license plates ENNIS and ELLERY, and it occurred to me that on one level, the romance between our heroes has a mystical significance based upon the mirroring of their names, as though they are complimentary parts of the same thing, the inner-directed power of Ennis and the outward and worldly Ellery, together making a combination that complements both of them.

yes, indeed louise, quite mystical.  that's why I wondered what miracle it was that inspired you to bequeath Ellery with his name...

Leslie - do you think you could make a Kellery plate for me?  (or is it too many letters?   :'( )
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 26, 2006, 02:16:29 am
Morning all.  Found a  nice pic I thought you might like to help start your day. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 26, 2006, 02:18:03 am
And another one.......
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 26, 2006, 02:19:44 am
Last one.......
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 26, 2006, 03:02:57 am
1. Hi Laurel. Greetings from another newbie  :)

2. Umm, how did Sevigny know Ellery's address? :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 04:18:52 am
we don't know yet how Sevigny found him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 26, 2006, 04:29:55 am
Quote from: louisev on July 26, 2006, 04:18:52 am
we don't know yet how Sevigny found him.

He could've found the address following Ellery from the station. Sevigny knows how to dissappear and stalk. I'm still wondering why he showed up at Ellery's doorstep. I'm thinking...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 26, 2006, 05:45:15 am
Quote from: opinionista on July 26, 2006, 04:29:55 am
He could've found the address following Ellery from the station. Sevigny knows how to dissappear and stalk. I'm still wondering why he showed up at Ellery's doorstep. I'm thinking...


Didnt he hack into the police computer? Maybe he found it that way.  Either way he does seem to have an unhealthy interest in poor Ellery.  Hope Ennis doesnt loose his temper................oops!! :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 26, 2006, 05:48:08 am
Quote from: opinionista on July 26, 2006, 04:29:55 am
He could've found the address following Ellery from the station. Sevigny knows how to dissappear and stalk. I'm still wondering why he showed up at Ellery's doorstep. I'm thinking...

Me too!
If it's not a public address, he should have known he was not going to be received with open arms (although getting arrested does seem kind of harsh...).
So, what was he trying to achieve? he could be snooping for information, or he could just be sweet on Ellery (and, hey, can we blame him?  ;) )
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 06:37:32 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 26, 2006, 12:14:36 am

yes, indeed louise, quite mystical.  that's why I wondered what miracle it was that inspired you to bequeath Ellery with his name...

Leslie - do you think you could make a Kellery plate for me?  (or is it too many letters?   :'( )

Your wish is my command....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate28.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 26, 2006, 07:06:25 am
Quote from: RonitR on July 26, 2006, 05:48:08 am
Me too!
If it's not a public address, he should have known he was not going to be received with open arms (although getting arrested does seem kind of harsh...).
So, what was he trying to achieve? he could be snooping for information, or he could just be sweet on Ellery (and, hey, can we blame him?  ;) )

I think Sevingny thinks he really didn't do anything wrong, because he knocks the back door. But he was trespassing, because he came in through the backyard, and that's part of the property. He should've knock the front door. Maybe Ellery just want to scare him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 07:16:20 am
Quote from: opinionista on July 26, 2006, 07:06:25 am
I think Sevingny thinks he really didn't do anything wrong, because he knocks the back door. But he was trespassing, because he came in through the backyard, and that's part of the property. He should've knock the front door. Maybe Ellery just want to scare him.

But the whole showing up at the house is very inappropriate. He doesn't know Ellery, except for their interviews regarding Wilkes death. But it sounds like Brad has been following Ellery for a few days...I am not surprised he knows where Ellery lives.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 26, 2006, 07:18:46 am
Good Morning all!

   These Texas plates just showed up in a box from the 1970s   ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 26, 2006, 07:20:21 am
and a few from Wyoming!    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 07:27:08 am
And in honor of our very own...

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 26, 2006, 07:38:42 am
And for your trip to London....     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 07:44:35 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 26, 2006, 07:38:42 am
And for your trip to London....     ;D


That one is great, David. Thanks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 07:53:29 am
In an effort to get the guys at the station to wear their body armor, Wes asked Carol to model a vest:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/blonvest.jpg)


For Ellery, Wes just showed him this picture and said, "Put on yer body armor, boy."

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/911TacCon.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 08:06:08 am
I know nothing--NOTHING--about guns so I have no idea what kind of a gun Ellery carries on the job. But I liked this image and the way the bullets looked, when Ellery unloads it and puts the bullets in the ashtray on the dresser.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/usp920-20w20bullets.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 09:53:20 am
PropMistress at work again:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ace_bandage.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 09:55:13 am
A little Betadine to keep those abrasions nice and clean...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Betadine.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 09:59:32 am
And in honor of post 2100....notice, the large 3 tube pak...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/B000052XIR.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 10:04:31 am
Stats Update:

We are very firmly ensconsed in no. 2 position on "Most Views" and will probably be there forever unlessl the "ABC Players" decide that game is really dumb and totally abandon it. Unlikely, I know.

We need 174 posts to pass "NC17" in most replies, which will put us in the no. 3 position for that statstic. Four days, I estimate...get posting, people!

Leslie
StatsChick
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 10:08:02 am
there, I fixed it so you could have KY as post 2200.  Happy?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 26, 2006, 10:19:48 am
Louise,  Doe Ellery still have the socks Ennis left for him in book 1 when Ennis went to BBM?

Current Story,  Noticed that Ellery is slowly getting his house renovated, bit by bit,
1st new front window, now back door, some walls and there needs to be a paint job.
What next? 

What could happen to our guys next?  Junior or Sister dropping in for a visit?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 10:21:54 am
As far as I know, all of Ennis's socks are in the house.  The ones he left there from his first trip probably have been laundered since.

Who knows what's next:  stay tuned for the exciting new episode of CSI:  This Old House
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 26, 2006, 10:28:53 am
AHH, I was hoping that there Ellery had a sentimental streak in him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 26, 2006, 10:30:35 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 10:04:31 am
We need 174 posts to pass "NC17" in most replies, which will put us in the no. 3 position for that statstic. Four days, I estimate...get posting, people!

Leslie
StatsChick

done!
btw I loved your new chapter Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 10:31:09 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/81484.html  "Chapter 24:  Eyewitness Information
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 26, 2006, 10:39:39 am
Quote from: louisev on July 25, 2006, 04:28:35 am
I wanted to share a response I made elsewhere in a discussion of the phenomenon of the OTP "One True Pairing" in Brokeback fan fiction, which of course, refers to Ennis and Jack.  Someone made a comment about how personal experience plays a role in one's fan fic preferences, and here is what I responded:



You point out a very important thing, and that is, everyone has brought to Brokeback Mountain, the story and the film, their own lives, loves and heartbreaks, and to them, the loss of Jack means something individual, something personal, something undeniably real and universal and yet quite private and undoubtedly emotional.  To many, and I would have to say from the experiences of reading the fan fics and comments here, most here, au fictions that complete the story with Jack alive - provide them with the solace and comfort they need.  For others, they are comforted by a future with Ennis alone, sad, and struggling, remembering Jack.  And for a third and no less important group (not to say there aren't others, just my observation) there are those who enjoy reading a story about Ennis facing a brighter future, that offers both healing and love.  All of these are different ways to deal with our experiences of Brokeback.  I maintain there is room for all of those folks and all of their preferences. 

For the fics I wrote, I drew on the experience of a close friend who lost his childhood sweetheart to sudden death by cancer, and was so swallowed by the intense grief that he teetered on the edge of suicide long afterward, convinced he would not want to live without his dead mate.  And one day, a man who had been a client and friend, reached out to him, and a new love was born on the ashes of his grief.  He struggled with the guilt and his own mourning, but over time his relief was palpable, and necessary. As his relationship grew, he realized that his new love was a tribute to the first, a continuation of it -- because he had a need to continue giving that love to a living person, as an expression of his love for the one he could no longer hold.  This is a very real phenomenon for some (perhaps not you, perhaps not many), but for those who must go on and love again - it rings true.  I say, to each his own.

I will add for the benefit of readers here: What is necessary for one to move on and love again, is the belief, rooted in the original love relationship, that the lost loved one would want good for the survivor, to encourage him to move on, to love again, and to be happy.  And  this belief is purely a function of the type of relationship the two lovers had before death intervened.

I thought this quote from another poster on this forum would add an appropriate postscript to Louise's response. For full quote see http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=633.0

Another scenario might preserve the fact that Jack dies, and Ennis is left bereft of his dear friend. But with the passage of time, as he goes on roundup, sits in the bar, or goes to the store or laundry, he notices some glimmer of Jack's familiar beauty in the faces of other men, some spark of that zestful, boyish charm in the lilt of their voices and laughter. He is at first torn, because he loves Jack so much and feels undying loyalty to his memory. But those occasional smiles from Steve or the gratifying sense of warmth from Karl's handshake awaken some primal need within Ennis's heart, that rises to his consciousness and which he finds more and more difficult to ignore.

Ennis slowly begins to realize that Jack is not only a living presence in his heart, but a living spiritual force in the world around him. Some precious essence of Jack is still to be felt--in the very people that remain tangible to Ennis! He may not overcome the fear that impedes his asking Steve over for a beer, but he cherishes more and more the fact that he desires to do so. He still tends Jack's shirt lovingly, and knows that he will always love that bright, blue boy who melted his heart on Brokeback Mountain. But he is also quietly gladdened that his heart is receptive now, not only to one beautiful soul, but to a whole multitude of souls who are equally his brothers in spirit. Ennis loves...and he weeps to himself in humble, private gratitude.


“In everyone's life, at some time, our inner fire goes out. It is then burst into flame by an encounter with another human being.” Albert Schweitzer

"When you realize the difference between the container and the content, you will have knowledge." Idries Shah
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 26, 2006, 10:46:05 am
*spoiler*

So sevigny turns out to be not more than a bit of a fool. Good. Nice to see Joe cool the situation down.

and again two great final lines:
“You are one horny sumbitch, Ellery.”

“Only when I’m in love, Ennis.”

Hahaha, i love this, thanks Louise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 10:46:57 am
Quote from: louisev on July 26, 2006, 10:08:02 am
there, I fixed it so you could have KY as post 2200.  Happy?

Yes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 26, 2006, 10:51:13 am
Poor Ellery. He needs a vacation real soon. A long one. More than just a weekend. Dealing with such a stressful situation is making him cranky and edgy.

Went looking for you at the chat, and no one was there.  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 11:21:40 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/81749.html  "Chapter 25: Chain Of Custody"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 26, 2006, 11:39:44 am
Quote from: louisev on July 26, 2006, 11:21:40 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/81749.html  "Chapter 25: Chain Of Custody"

And the plot thickens yet some more. Yee Haww! It looks like the story is about to get as spicy and delicious as chili made by Ennis from Alma's recipe.
                                            :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 26, 2006, 11:46:59 am
Louise where are you??? I got a theory and would like to discuss it without spoiling it for everyone! Are you too busy to chat??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 12:20:43 pm
well I'm here now.  You just left chat, Natali!

I got your PM.  I'll be idling in chat if you show back up!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 26, 2006, 12:24:16 pm
OK,  Just for fun.  Everyone is saying that Ellery needs a vacation.

Where do he and Ennis go?  London?  Ellery drugs Ennis with lots of demoral (sp) to get him on the plane.

BBM? Denver?  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 12:34:44 pm
Quote from: gn411 on July 26, 2006, 12:24:16 pm
OK,  Just for fun.  Everyone is saying that Ellery needs a vacation.

Where do he and Ennis go?  London?  Ellery drugs Ennis with lots of demoral (sp) to get him on the plane.

BBM? Denver?   

That's an interesting question, Bob. I wonder if Ellery has traveled much? We know Ennis hasn't. As for where they should go, also an interesting question. While Ellery might enjoy a vacation in a city--Denver, San Francisco--I think Ennis would feel like a fish out of water. On the other hand, what Ennis likes to do (hunt, spend time in the woods, go riding) does not seem to be Ellery's cup of tea, nor is it good for his back.

Wes alluded to this. For this relationship to grow and flourish, they need to find their common interests, beyond a shared love for getting fancy.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 26, 2006, 12:44:18 pm
Quote from: gn411 on July 26, 2006, 12:24:16 pm
OK,  Just for fun.  Everyone is saying that Ellery needs a vacation.

Where do he and Ennis go?  London?  Ellery drugs Ennis with lots of demoral (sp) to get him on the plane.

BBM? Denver?  

Well, I guess Mexico is out. How about a ski resort. It's sporty and outdoor for Ennis and Ellery might like the apre ski activities!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 26, 2006, 12:44:42 pm
Vacation Topic for E & E:  Agree,  that too much outdoor back to basics would be a strain for Ellery. I think at this point in there relationship, they still want to "be alone".
As both guys are in or aproaching their 40's, I see them sort of see Ellery splurging on Ennis with a trip into the woods and renting a fancy cabin.  This way they can be alone, yet stil be in comfort.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 12:49:17 pm
whoa whoa whoa.  People.  Ellery can't take a vacation.  He's in the middle of a multiple homicide investigation, he's got a major case pending trial (Wyoming vs. Steele) and will be a witness in Wyoming vs. Early when that one gets set for trial.  This is the biggest case of his life.  He is in a pressure cooker he can't get out of.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 12:56:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 26, 2006, 12:49:17 pm
whoa whoa whoa.  People.  Ellery can't take a vacation.  He's in the middle of a multiple homicide investigation, he's got a major case pending trial (Wyoming vs. Steele) and will be a witness in Wyoming vs. Early when that one gets set for trial.  This is the biggest case of his life.  He is in a pressure cooker he can't get out of.

We don't have them taking a vacation immediately, we are just speculating for the future.

Bob...I like the idea of splurging on a fancy cabin in the woods.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 26, 2006, 01:01:13 pm
Louise,  understand, I sort of thought in afew months when everything calmed down, HA!

Besides the board was kinda slow,  and its sort of fun to picture the guys at a ski resort, and Ennis's reaction to new things. 

Realize that Wes would not let Ellery go with everything going on.  He really would have the Mayor on his back!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 26, 2006, 01:33:49 pm
Hiya folks!  :)

I have some chapters to catch up on tonight!  Wow ...

I am so worried about our friend Chris being so sick in hospital,
I cant seem to think of anything else today .. :'(
Maybe some E&E reading will lift my spirits up a bit ..  :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 26, 2006, 01:34:21 pm
No, not a cabin in the woods.  Thats what Ennis would have done with Jack.

I'm thinking we need to get them both into new territory where they can experience something new for both of them.     San Fransisco is good, but I think it would visually overload Ennis.

I'm thinking something more relaxing.  Provincetown, Massachusetts right after Labor day when the crowds leave.   The weather is still warm enough to hit the beaches during the day.  There are plenty of guest houses there for the boys to have privacy.   It has that small New England village charm yet you can walk hand in hand with your partner openly.

They's need to fly to Bostons Logan Airport, then take the Ferry Boat over to Cape Cod.  Both would no doubt be "firsts" for Ennis.   Ellery may not have ever been to the shore either.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 01:37:37 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 26, 2006, 01:34:21 pm
No, not a cabin in the woods.  Thats what Ennis would have done with Jack.

I'm thinking we need to get them both into new territory where they can experience something new for both of them.     San Fransisco is good, but I think it would visually overload Ennis.

I'm thinking something more relaxing.  Provincetown, Massachusetts right after Labor day when the crowds leave.   The weather is still warm enough to hit the beaches during the day.  There are plenty of guest houses there for the boys to have privacy.   It has that small New England village charm yet you can walk hand in hand with your partner openly.

They's need to fly to Bostons Logan Airport, then take the Ferry Boat over to Cape Cod.  Both would no doubt be "firsts" for Ennis.   Ellery may not have ever been to the shore either.

And you know me, I would vote for any vacation that involves New England!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 26, 2006, 01:50:41 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 01:37:37 pm
And you know me, I would vote for any vacation that involves New England!

Well they could go to a nice caribbean island, hang on a nice beach and have some piña colada.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 26, 2006, 01:51:24 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 26, 2006, 01:34:21 pm
No, not a cabin in the woods.  Thats what Ennis would have done with Jack.

I'm thinking we need to get them both into new territory where they can experience something new for both of them.     San Fransisco is good, but I think it would visually overload Ennis.

I'm thinking something more relaxing.  Provincetown, Massachusetts right after Labor day when the crowds leave.   The weather is still warm enough to hit the beaches during the day.  There are plenty of guest houses there for the boys to have privacy.   It has that small New England village charm yet you can walk hand in hand with your partner openly.

They's need to fly to Bostons Logan Airport, then take the Ferry Boat over to Cape Cod.  Both would no doubt be "firsts" for Ennis.   Ellery may not have ever been to the shore either.


Considering even Ellery doesn't leave the state often, and he has the money to if he wanted---I can't see either of them being interested in seeing either coast--no offense.   But possibly Denver, esp during the stock show, or San Antonio to see the Alamo, or even Las Vegas during National Finals---but I don't see them getting  very far from the middle of the country--just not that adventurous or interested in my own mind as I know them.   Could always be wrong, but just don't see them going to the oceans, at least not in this timeframe.   Maybe if they went somewhere and did a little touring first, the oceans might be next vacation, but for their first one, can't see it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 01:51:51 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/82055.html  "Chapter 26:  Wrath of the Sheriff"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 26, 2006, 01:54:46 pm
YEEE HAAW---just love the thought of Wes letting his temper go for once---YES!!
LOL, on my way to go read!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 02:06:43 pm
actually this will be the second time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 26, 2006, 02:41:00 pm
I may have to go reread, I can remember his being mad and yelling, but I can't remember much fallout from it---this time, there will be fallout I bet!!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 04:25:52 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/82424.html  "Chapter 27:  Seeing Red"

A special ultra-long chapter with a dedication to opinionista who rules the red bandanas!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on July 26, 2006, 05:24:24 pm
CH. 26 MINI-SPOILER





Let us have a brief moment of silence for yet another of Wes' phones.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2006, 05:29:06 pm
heheheh yeah.  We need a moment of silence there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 26, 2006, 07:50:52 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 09:59:32 am
And in honor of post 2100....notice, the large 3 tube pak...

Thanks for the license plate!  Love it!

Now, I was wondering, since you provided us with the history of KY, how 'bout the history of Astroglide?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 07:54:17 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 26, 2006, 07:50:52 pm
Thanks for the license plate!  Love it!

Now, I was wondering, since you provided us with the history of KY, how 'bout the history of Astroglide?

I actually looked that up too, when I was getting the KY history. However, my husband just arrived with chinese takeout so you'll need to wait a few minutes for the inside scoop...


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 26, 2006, 08:04:42 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on July 26, 2006, 10:39:39 am
I thought this quote from another poster on this forum would add an appropriate postscript to Louise's response. For full quote see http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=633.0

Another scenario might preserve the fact that Jack dies, and Ennis is left bereft of his dear friend. But with the passage of time, as he goes on roundup, sits in the bar, or goes to the store or laundry, he notices some glimmer of Jack's familiar beauty in the faces of other men

...


Ennis slowly begins to realize that Jack is not only a living presence in his heart, but a living spiritual force in the world around him. Some precious essence of Jack is still to be felt--in the very people that remain tangible to Ennis!

...





Thanks for posting that quote mm!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 26, 2006, 08:21:04 pm
Gee, I have alot of catching up to do tonight!  :)
More chapters to cheer me up ... (hopefully)  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 26, 2006, 08:25:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 26, 2006, 04:25:52 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/82424.html  "Chapter 27:  Seeing Red"

A special ultra-long chapter with a dedication to opinionista who rules the red bandanas!

I posted this on LJ but thought I'd share here as well:

Let's get the bad guys arrested, the Red Stallion re-opened, and then maybe Brad can find someone else to flirt with!  (I'm getting a little tired of Brad laying it on Ellery so thick... maybe you can just call me Ms. Coyote!)
nB
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 26, 2006, 08:25:50 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 26, 2006, 08:21:04 pm
More chapters to cheer me up ... (hopefully) 

I hear ya.  With todays updates on Chris, I haven't been in the mood to play any BBM limerick games.    :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 26, 2006, 08:47:43 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 26, 2006, 08:25:50 pm
I hear ya.  With todays updates on Chris, I haven't been in the mood to play any BBM limerick games.    :-\

I hear ya David.
I am trying to keep things going on here and posting, but Chris is in my thoughts every moment now, I keep thinking about him, wishing we could physically be with him...or help somehow.  Our thoughts and prayers have to do for now though :(

I am keeping the hope .. HOPE!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 26, 2006, 08:59:53 pm
I am worried sick...I am truly worried sick...about what is going on with our friend Chris. Back on the original PT board (Jan something...I want to say 23rd but who knows what date)...he wrote me and said, "Hi, I'm Chris, not sure I've seen you posting much..welcome..."

I have a license plate for him, which I am also going to post over in the other thread, from all of us (I am taking the liberty, folks). Corny, maybe, but I think it reflects us as a group....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate32.gif)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 26, 2006, 09:10:01 pm

It's all in the name of love, nothing corny about it.
All our positive energies help Les.   
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 27, 2006, 04:02:37 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 26, 2006, 08:25:06 pm
I posted this on LJ but thought I'd share here as well:

Let's get the bad guys arrested, the Red Stallion re-opened, and then maybe Brad can find someone else to flirt with!  (I'm getting a little tired of Brad laying it on Ellery so thick... maybe you can just call me Ms. Coyote!)
nB

It's pretty obvious that Sevigny is a "leg man."  And Ellery's legs go all the way to the top!

Thanks for the nice comments on davecullen too, Kelly.  It always helps for someone to pipe up and mention my work, because believe it or not I have a lot of readers on davecullen.  I think their middle names are all "Ennis" though.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 27, 2006, 04:55:45 am
It's a draggy boring day here in hotternhell Saarland, I will be hanging out in Chat for a while if anyone drops by!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 27, 2006, 07:04:23 am
Quote from: louisev on July 27, 2006, 04:55:45 am
It's a draggy boring day here in hotternhell Saarland, I will be hanging out in Chat for a while if anyone drops by!

I,ts very hot over here too Louise, and here is something to make you even hotter. ;). I,m re reading the entire story again( I,ve nothing done today, tsk). This is from "a second chance" chapter one, on Ennis and Ellery,s camping trip.

QUOTE:

“Hey there, what are you, goin fishin with a lasso, boy?” Ellery said, turning as Ennis stood, feet apart, tugging slightly.

“You c’mere, I caught ya fair an square.”

“Shit Ennis I ain’t washed my hair yet.”

“I said c’mere, bathin beauty, I need ya,” He tugged again, gently, on the lariat, and Ellery pulled back on the length tugging him, yanking it free and diving in the water. He stood, frowning, reeling in the rope, and sat back down, lighting a cigar and taking a sip of whiskey before drawing a mouthful of flavored tobacco. Ellery had to get out sometime.

It was about fifteen minutes later, Ellery finally emerged, streaming water from his dark hair, shivering, that he climbed onto shore, and Ennis launched the lariat at him again, this time tightening the rope around arms and belly, and stood up, tugging him close. “I told you... I caught you fair an square, boy,” he said, holding his arms behind him, using the end of the lariat to lash his wrists together with multiple loops, and Ellery’s head flew up and around.

“Ennis what are you ---“

“I told ya I’d surprise ya some time, an now’s the time...” he said matter of factly, and as Ellery glanced at his face, he saw the molten expression of lust in those brown eyes, responding with a bolt of pleasure and excitement that stiffened his cock as he was marched to the tent, hands tied behind his back. “Get on yer knees,” Ennis ordered, a growl in his whisper as he spoke close to Ellery’s ear, and he dropped slowly, knees hitting the comparative softness of the air mattress, and he looked up from behind a screen of wet, dripping hair as Ennis unbuckled his belt and pushed his denims off his hips, stepping out of them, cock hard and ready. He held his cock in one hand, stroking it casually, while he unbuttoned his shirt, hunched over under the canted canvas roof, examined the tightness of the knot holding Ellery’s wrists before pressing his cock close to his mouth. “Now suck me.”

Ellery’s eyes were gleaming with lust by now, and he opened his mouth, salivating as his lips closed over the head of his lover’s cock, and he closed his eyes as Ennis’s hands slid around the back of his head, holding his mouth on him as he sucked, tongue abrading the underside of his shaft in long, teasing strokes, forcing Ennis to start thrusting, moans breaking through the iron reserve, and he threw his head back, thrusting into his wet mouth. “Oh darlin, oh... jesus... „ he groaned deeply, a surge of hot pleasure bolting through him, and he erupted, filling Ellery’s mouth with semen, coating his lips and chin as it dribbled out and he swallowed, black lashes fluttering as he knelt before him, still sucking as Ennis trembled and thrust once more, gasping, and then pulled out, hand gripping his cock and keeping him stiff, stroking hard as he lay back on the mattress.

“Turn around,” he croaked... sit on it, ride me...” he choked out, still trembling heavily, something in the sight of his lover bound with his hands behind him sending a bolt of pleasure through him, and Ellery bent, struggling slightly as he maneuevered himself so that he was straddling Ennis’s thighs, and Ennis held one hip as he pressed his dripping cock up to his hole, pulling him onto his cock, eyes fixed on his tied hands.

It was too erotic...as Ellery began to slide up and down on his cock, Ennis felt a wild, soaring feeling that would not abate, like an orgasm that would not end, causing his breath to hiss scalding in his throat, his hips to buck up deeply inside the tight grip of Ellery’s ass... he had to get more, he had to bury himself completely in that warmth, that impossible tightness...he buried his fingers in his hips, pulling himself up, driving hard with all the power he used to stay atop a galloping horse, thighs straining, forcing a sudden spasm inside Ellery as he drove hard, that orgasm squeezing another sudden explosion from him with a groan of relief that was so close to pain, and he sank down, finally spent and still.  END OF QUOTE:

Phew!! Now that was hot. :o :o :o :o :o :o
This story just gets better with each chapter Louise, thats why I,m reading it all again, and again, and again.............. ;)
Have a good day, and dont work too hard.
J.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 27, 2006, 07:14:21 am
Heh yes that was one of the hotter segments, to be sure.  We'll have to get those boys back in a tent and frolicing in a cold river again soon don't you think?

Thanks for the compliments.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 27, 2006, 07:44:30 am
Everyone wants a piece of Mr. coyote!

(http://static.flickr.com/62/172312774_09ae2a32c6.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 27, 2006, 07:55:29 am
(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4TKqMhERloB3uejzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13fe33dlo/EXP=1154087498/**http%3a//www.brookecarolinemedcalf.com/sitebuilder/images/Grandma_Russell_Cooking-240x182.jpg) "More biscuits Ennis dear?"

"Yes'm, but just a few. I need to stay in shape"
(http://static.flickr.com/55/174903040_24f13e82c6_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 27, 2006, 08:22:14 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/82535.html  "Chapter 28:  Distraction"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 27, 2006, 09:57:06 am
ok,  Ellery knows he is in trouble with Ennis for the way he was driving his truck. (too funny and good attention to detail Louise!).

So how is Ennis going to "punish" Ellery? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 27, 2006, 10:11:06 am
Quote from: gn411 on July 27, 2006, 09:57:06 am
ok,  Ellery knows he is in trouble with Ennis for the way he was driving his truck. (too funny and good attention to detail Louise!).

So how is Ennis going to "punish" Ellery? 

Good question.  Well, he,s made him wear  the butt plug before they went out, so maybe he can tie him up again when they get home and make him wear the cock ring again and torture him(in the nicest possible way of course) with the vibrator, for ages and ages and ages..using that lovely slick KY(that,ll make it unbearable) we know how Ennis likes to dominate Ellery and make him beg dont we?  ;) ;)  Just an idea lol.  And anyway, it,s your fault i,m having these thoughts Lousie.. if I hadnt spent most of the morning re reading earlier chapters I,d be doing sensible(boring) things like housework instead of dreaming up things for them two to do in bed together.. tsk tsk. ;) ;) ;) ;)  That,ll teach Ellery not to wear out Ennis,s clutch(or then again....) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 27, 2006, 10:16:58 am
I suppose Ellery will be in for a spank then won't he?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 27, 2006, 11:29:48 am
Good morning E & E lovers!  (Well, it's morning in my neck o' the woods .. ) ;)

I am still behind in my reading ..  :-\
But that means more fun reading today, with more chapters!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 27, 2006, 12:42:58 pm
A Note from your author on Consent

A topic came up that touched on issues of consent in dominant/submissive sexual encounters, and I figured I would bring this up, since it is pertinent to E&E (at least since Ellery first asked Ennis to tie him up.)  The kind of dominance/submission play I am describing in the Laramie Saga is a sexual roleplaying that Ennis and Ellery started exploring when Ellery discovered to his delight that Ennis had one time tied Jack's hands for sex, and he asked him to tie him.  Their personal relationship is that between equal partners, and there is certainly no element of dominant/submissive elements that carry over to their non sexual relationship.  There is also the issue of consent.  In the scene in chapter 28, I illustrated a scene in which Ennis takes Ellery by surprise and tries to strip and penetrate him, but Ellery stops him, insisting that he take off his gun first.  Even though Ennis is in his sexual dominant mode, he does take no for an answer, and if Ellery had stopped the sex, he would also have taken no for an answer.

This story is not intended to portray non consensual dom/sub situations.  I wanted to be certain that was clear to everyone, and if you have any questions or concerns, to feel free to bring them up or talk about them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 27, 2006, 01:47:33 pm
A pic for this page:  :-*


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/14750571.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 27, 2006, 01:49:23 pm
And I too, would love to see our lads on holiday, having a great time, sharing many laughs .. 
I don't much care where they go ... a holiday could definitely do 'em some good!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/42d3325f.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 27, 2006, 01:55:35 pm
oooh, Hugh Dreamboat!

For anyone who wants to know, I am typity type typing away dutifully at chapter 29 and idling in Chat.  Next chapter is due out shortly, but that will be the only other update today.  It is hottern hell in my apartment and I need to get a little air after I finish typing!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 27, 2006, 02:15:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 27, 2006, 12:42:58 pm
A Note from your author on Consent

A topic came up that touched on issues of consent in dominant/submissive sexual encounters, and I figured I would bring this up, since it is pertinent to E&E (at least since Ellery first asked Ennis to tie him up.)  The kind of dominance/submission play I am describing in the Laramie Saga is a sexual roleplaying that Ennis and Ellery started exploring when Ellery discovered to his delight that Ennis had one time tied Jack's hands for sex, and he asked him to tie him.  Their personal relationship is that between equal partners, and there is certainly no element of dominant/submissive elements that carry over to their non sexual relationship.  There is also the issue of consent.  In the scene in chapter 28, I illustrated a scene in which Ennis takes Ellery by surprise and tries to strip and penetrate him, but Ellery stops him, insisting that he take off his gun first.  Even though Ennis is in his sexual dominant mode, he does take no for an answer, and if Ellery had stopped the sex, he would also have taken no for an answer.

This story is not intended to portray non consensual dom/sub situations.  I wanted to be certain that was clear to everyone, and if you have any questions or concerns, to feel free to bring them up or talk about them.

Ennis and Ellery also talk these things over before actually doing them. It's not that Ellery comes home, and Ennis is already waiting all dressed up in black leather, with a whip and chains to beat Ellery and fuck him silly. Ennis is rough sometimes, but always careful not to hurt Ellery, and he's always asking Ellery to tell him when to stop.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 27, 2006, 02:38:03 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/82884.html  "Chapter 29:  On the Mend"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 27, 2006, 07:10:20 pm
Oh Louise this chapter was hot hot hot!

I guess the reason we haven't had a post in 5 hours is that everyone is going THUD!

I, however, am still conscious. Barely.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 27, 2006, 07:39:18 pm
I had to go learn to start smoking just to light up after reading that!  :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 27, 2006, 11:56:20 pm
If I may be so bold, I would like to take an informal poll on who thinks Ennis would ever wear (use?) any of the most recent toys on himself?

On another note, Brad is sure driving me crazy!  I don't know what my problem is... is it like I'm Ennis and I'm jealous and protective of Ellery?  Or is it that I'm annoyed/worried that Ellery doesn't wish Brad would stop flirting?  Or, am I just overreacting?

Hey, I just realized...

SPOILER

I assumed that it was Rudy that left town... that's right isn't it?  It couldn't a been Leon cause he has to show up in court.

And another question - is Ennis gonna tell his girls what happened?  I'd sure be pissed to find out months down the road that my dad had been kidnapped unbeknownst to me.

Work has been reasonably close to insane, I miss you guys.

Okay, one last story and then I'll quit babbling.  That picture David posted of Ennis in bed, I stared at a good long while, thinking to myself that's not the right color of Jack's hair, and it's kinda too long, what the heck.  Then, I was like, DUH!  That's Alma.  Hah hah.  I sorta totally forgot she existed.  lol

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2006, 03:37:02 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 27, 2006, 11:56:20 pm
If I may be so bold, I would like to take an informal poll on who thinks Ennis would ever wear (use?) any of the most recent toys on himself?

On another note, Brad is sure driving me crazy!  I don't know what my problem is... is it like I'm Ennis and I'm jealous and protective of Ellery?  Or is it that I'm annoyed/worried that Ellery doesn't wish Brad would stop flirting?  Or, am I just overreacting?

Hey, I just realized...

SPOILER

I assumed that it was Rudy that left town... that's right isn't it?  It couldn't a been Leon cause he has to show up in court.

And another question - is Ennis gonna tell his girls what happened?  I'd sure be pissed to find out months down the road that my dad had been kidnapped unbeknownst to me.


but it's FRIDAY Kelly!  I will be online tonight to chat with you all. I was fairly dead last night too after writing all that fancy stuff, whew!

And no he intends to conceal all this from his daughters.  And yes, that was Rudy heading out of town quickly to Casper.

And look at the LJ comments:  you are sure not alone in being annoyed by Brad!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 28, 2006, 04:18:01 am
Thank you to everyone for being so welcoming.  I've never done anything like joining a forum before, but I'm slowly finding my way around, and I'm having fun so far!

Jane, thanks for posting that HOT excerpt from A Second Chance.  Now that I'm caught up on book four, I've gone back to reread, too, but I'm still early in book one.  Ennis hasn't even met Ellery yet.   :(

Milli, the pictures you find of Hugh Jackman keep getting better and better.  The most recent one is delicious.  Those eyes, that mouth....(excuse me while I wipe the drool off my keyboard).

Regarding Kelly's informal poll:  I can't really see Ennis using the butt plug, at least not yet.  I also don't think he would like to be tied up and/or blindfolded.  He likes to be in charge too much for him to be comfortable with that.  Although, with the level of trust that is developing between him and Ellery, that may change soon.  I think he would be willing to give everything else (dildo, vibrator, and cock ring) a try.  Actually, I seem to recall that Ellery already used the vibrator on him.  As for the ping pong paddle, I just can't envision Ennis letting Ellery paddle him.  (Although I'd pay to see it!)  Did I forget any?!!  (not counting the butter and burnt biscuits!)  There are a lot of toys to remember!   :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2006, 04:47:04 am
hee hee that is why we have a gallery, to keep track of the toys!

Frankly I don't see Ellery wanting to spank Ennis.  Somehow that defies Ennis's psychology to my mind, but then again, there was a day when I felt that way about Bottom!Ennis, too.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 28, 2006, 05:23:27 am
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

There's something odd about the killer and the killings. If they're killing out of bigotry then Rudy would've been death as well, unless he knew the killer, and the killer knew him. I don't think that it was because he was leaving town. Why would the killer believe him or care? Also the other victims could've been shot for other reasons, other than being queer. The only victim whom Ellery is sure about being gay is Wayne. Wilkes wasn't according to Sevigny, but there isn't more evidence about that. And Jim wife's said he was gay but he could've been killed for other reasons: the pictures. Those killing may not be related or the ones behind it want to confuse the police.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 28, 2006, 05:59:54 am
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

PS. There's something Ellery and the police aren't looking at, I think. The killer is telling them "I'm  here", but they aren't paying attention. I could be wrong, but that's what I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2006, 06:01:49 am
I am not sure what you mean by that, Natali.  How is he saying "I'm here."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 28, 2006, 06:02:48 am
Quote from: louisev on July 28, 2006, 06:01:49 am
I am not sure what you mean by that, Natali.  How is he saying "I'm here."

Come to the chat, Louise. Anyway it's a stupid idea but it occurs to me that the killer is telling Ellery, I'm here but you don't see me because you're not looking at where you should. But it's just a an idea that just popped in my head. Maybe I had one beer too many last night.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on July 28, 2006, 07:54:23 am
About Ennis trying some of the things that Ellery is into. 

I think that just because Ellery is into some unique stuff, Ennis would be interested.  They now have a bond / trust between them and it would only be natural for Ennis to be curious to experience what Ellery is experiencing.

Now that said it might not get him off the same way it does for Ellery,  but it would be one of those things that they share naturally.  Ennis is really opening up! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 28, 2006, 08:25:41 am
Jane, thanks for posting that HOT excerpt from A Second Chance.  Now that I'm caught up on book four, I've gone back to reread, too, but I'm still early in book one.  Ennis hasn't even met Ellery yet.   


Laurel you are very welcome,it was HOT wasnt it? phew! :o and if I havnt already done so, welcome to Bettermost.
J.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 28, 2006, 10:38:10 am
Watching for the next chapter   ;)

(http://static.flickr.com/49/159252929_bdd7ba948c_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2006, 10:39:32 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/82991.html  "Chapter 30:  Thinking"

for thoe who want to chat I am lurking in chat!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 28, 2006, 11:27:33 am
OMG Louise, youve taught me something today.. I,ll admit my ignorance and say that I,d never heard of a leather boy, but I have now.. I,ve just looked on google!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o.
Moving swftly on............. great chapter, as always.  I,m glad Ennis talked Ellery out of selling the bar. I think that would have been a bad idea. I think Ennis has a good calming influence on Ellery sometimes, which is just what he needs in times of stress,like now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2006, 11:49:03 am
For those who want to read it, I have just posted a new theory I have developed about orthodoxy in BBM fan fiction.

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3527.0  "Fan Fiction:  Popularity Contest or Formula for Orthodoxy?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 28, 2006, 12:05:01 pm
Good morning folks!
Alberta checking in for today!   :)

Here's a nice way to start any day ...  :P  (I am a sucker for that smile ..)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/852f6cac.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2006, 12:27:44 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 28, 2006, 12:05:01 pm
Good morning folks!
Alberta checking in for today!   :)

Here's a nice way to start any day ...  :P  (I am a sucker for that smile ..)


that smile! whaddaya mean?  Look at the length of those fingers!  Those are Ellery's fingers, no doubt.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 28, 2006, 12:34:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 28, 2006, 12:27:44 pm
that smile! whaddaya mean?  Look at the length of those fingers!  Those are Ellery's fingers, no doubt.

Wha?  Long Fingers..??  Where ... ?? I hadn't noticed ..  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2006, 02:09:12 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/83372.html  "Chapter 31:  New Kid in Town"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 28, 2006, 02:24:40 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 27, 2006, 01:49:23 pm
And I too, would love to see our lads on holiday, having a great time, sharing many laughs .. 
I don't much care where they go ... a holiday could definitely do 'em some good!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/42d3325f.jpg)

 ;)

Absolutly Lucise, it certainly would, and once this is all over I think thats what they ought to do, even if it,s just a long weekend. Thought of something else they might like to do...way back in an earlier chapter when Ellerys back was really hurting, Ennis gave him a lovely hot bath, followed by a massage with some massage oil. :P :P Maybe they could take turns to do something like that every week.  It would certainly help to releive some of the stress..unplug the phone first of course. Sounds like heaven to me.... sigh. :P I wouldnt mind a massage from either of those two. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 28, 2006, 02:32:13 pm
Oooo!  I rec'd an email update from Focus Features about their new movie Scoop with Hugh Jackman in it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457513/



I see good things from Focus Features in the future!   BBM really put them on the map!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 28, 2006, 02:34:31 pm
I can't see them pix you posted there David .. they are not showing up.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 28, 2006, 02:38:58 pm
That's odd.  I can see them.  Try hitting refresh.    They are hyperlinked to the IMDB site
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 28, 2006, 02:43:35 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 28, 2006, 02:38:58 pm
That's odd.  I can see them.  Try hitting refresh.    They are hyperlinked to the IMDB site

nope ..still doesn't work.
I'll have a look at imdb ..  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 28, 2006, 03:06:48 pm
Ok,  the pics disappeared on me too.   Must be something to do with IMDBs site.   I deleted them.   The hyperlink to the IMDB page is there is people want to go read about the movie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ednbarby on July 28, 2006, 03:21:21 pm
Wooooo-eeee!  Yeah!  "Scoop" starts here today.  Pencil me and the hubmeister in for a matinee (so to speak) tomorrow!!!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 28, 2006, 04:04:40 pm
The new chapters are brilliant!
And chapter 29 is so…WOW …well…I'm speechless. Must go re-read, and maybe I'll find the right description   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2006, 04:50:47 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/83629.html  Chapter 32:  Wrath of the Sheriff II"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 28, 2006, 05:52:22 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 28, 2006, 04:50:47 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/83629.html  Chapter 32:  Wrath of the Sheriff II"

Another cliffhanger! Oh Louise, you need to get up early tomorrow...and it is Saturday! No work..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2006, 05:53:52 pm
I'll do my best, amid the moans and groans!  Right now it is midnight, and my mind is burned out from eating an ounce of wheat.  One lousy ounce!  Or less.

Yeah, I'll be typity type tomorrow, I promise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 28, 2006, 08:48:22 pm
Well,  Louisev is asleep, so no more updates tonight.   :-\

Ennis is looking forward to a quiet nights sleep after a long strange day.
Now I wonder what he was dreaming about the night before?
(http://static.flickr.com/56/140646730_03b487d831.jpg?v=0)

Maybe he is having dreams about Jack?  About not being there to protect him from Worrell?

(http://static.flickr.com/44/145691577_de2c36070f.jpg?v=0)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 28, 2006, 10:19:41 pm
I keep thinking he is thinking about Earl and Rich
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 28, 2006, 11:29:04 pm
That was my thought too, Ranchgal.  Ennis knows and trusts Ellery enough now that he would be comfortable sharing the story of Earl and Rich with him, and also sharing his fears caused by that event, and how it has negatively affected his life for years.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 28, 2006, 11:30:46 pm
(http://www.vnn.vn/dataimages/original/images176312_hugh_jackman.jpg)

Ellery in relaxed mode. (It's been a while since he was feeling this laid back!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 29, 2006, 12:25:03 am
Quote from: louisev on July 28, 2006, 10:39:32 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/82991.html  "Chapter 30:  Thinking"


Oh!  I forgot how much I love thinking and talking chapters.  Loved the everyday moment of Ennis hopping out of bed to take a pee. 

The way they had the conversation about the Red Stallion - such togetherness.  I am so in love with them both.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 29, 2006, 12:39:16 am
Quote from: louisev on July 28, 2006, 04:50:47 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/83629.html  Chapter 32:  Wrath of the Sheriff II"


SPOILER


They just got shot at in the truck.  Louise, my poor exhausted self could just cry.  F***!!!!

(I can't remember if we're allowed to swear or not.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 29, 2006, 02:26:02 am
Quote from: ranchgal on July 28, 2006, 10:19:41 pm
I keep thinking he is thinking about Earl and Rich

That was exactly what I was thinking.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 29, 2006, 06:40:46 am
Quote from: ranchgal on July 28, 2006, 10:19:41 pm
I keep thinking he is thinking about Earl and Rich

And I think that is what he is planning on telling Ellery after a few Glendfiddles, in bed, holding him.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 29, 2006, 07:28:31 am
*yes, I'm awake!*  I am having a nice cup of coffee and relaxing, preparing for a day of... you guessed it, *typity type type!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 29, 2006, 08:55:05 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/83964.html  "Chapter 33:  Manhunt"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 29, 2006, 12:15:01 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"


http://louisev.livejournal.com/84110.html  "Chapter 34:  Loose Ends"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 29, 2006, 12:23:20 pm
Loose ends?    Damn!  That chapter should be called "Twists and Turns"!  LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 29, 2006, 12:28:16 pm
SPOILER

Louise, you are sure giving us a run for the money.  The more I thought about it, Amos Marigold is the man.  He hates or is jealous of Ellery, he was recently fired, he just had an interview tlaking about the perverts in the Sheriff's office.  Then again, The new ADA may have something to do with it too.

What a great story!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 29, 2006, 01:27:07 pm
hee hee hee hee

muahahahahaha

*Hitchcock-like smile*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 29, 2006, 01:36:10 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 29, 2006, 12:23:20 pm
Loose ends?    Damn!  That chapter should be called "Twists and Turns"!  LOL

LOL, that's right, David.  When I saw the title I thought that Louise is going to tie up some of the loose ends so that Ennis and Ellery can have a nice break for a while.  Not at all.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 29, 2006, 02:08:28 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 29, 2006, 01:27:07 pm
hee hee hee hee

muahahahahaha

*Hitchcock-like smile*

So are there any more loose ends for today or is that our lot until tomorow Louise?  Who would have thought, Amos...tsk tsk tsk. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: CarolK1943 on July 29, 2006, 02:11:47 pm
OT for this thread, but how do I find the discussion thread for "Through the Veil of Time"?  I need a link - I find navigating through these boards a nightmare!

Thanks,

Carol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 29, 2006, 02:29:51 pm
Quote from: CarolK1943 on July 29, 2006, 02:11:47 pm
OT for this thread, but how do I find the discussion thread for "Through the Veil of Time"?  I need a link - I find navigating through these boards a nightmare!

Thanks,

Carol

For the first chapter, use this link:

http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/20162.html (http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/20162.html)

For the latest chapter, use this link:

http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/ (http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on July 29, 2006, 02:31:48 pm
Quote from: CarolK1943 on July 29, 2006, 02:11:47 pm
OT for this thread, but how do I find the discussion thread for "Through the Veil of Time"?  I need a link - I find navigating through these boards a nightmare!

Thanks,

Carol

And you can find discussions about it at Bettermost  here Carol.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2982.0.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 29, 2006, 02:41:28 pm
Quote from: Jane on July 29, 2006, 02:31:48 pm
And you can find discussions about it at Bettermost  here Carol.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2982.0.



Thanks, Jane!

I think the link you provided is closer to what Carol was looking for.

At any rate, she won't be at a loss for links, now.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: CarolK1943 on July 29, 2006, 02:48:57 pm
Quote from: Jane on July 29, 2006, 02:31:48 pm
And you can find discussions about it at Bettermost  here Carol.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2982.0.



Thanks, Jane. and thanks to you to Fred.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 29, 2006, 03:24:31 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/84474.html  "Chapter 35:  Alone At Last, Again"

that is all for tonight's updates folks.  Enjoy
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 29, 2006, 11:57:13 pm
Dang - it sure seems like it has been quiet in here today.  My imagination?

That said, I'm sorta drained myself and can't come up with anything too intelligent to say.  I did enjoy hearing Wes say repetitively that Ellery was his best man.  With some of the earlier faux pas (sp?) I was just a smidge worried Wes may have been starting to doubt Ellery.  Glad that was unnecessary on my part.
**sighs**
Alas, I hope everything is all better soon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 30, 2006, 12:38:13 am
The alter egos of our boys have both made it into the Sydney Sunday papers today. Heath has bought the Hollywood home of Ellen DeGeneres and  Hugh is opening his show The Boy from Oz - a musical about the life of Peter Allen - at the Sydney Entertainment Centre.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 30, 2006, 02:17:15 am
Those were great chapters !.

Still don't know who's responsible for all of whats happened.

Maybe there's more than one shooter, each having a different reason....

I LOVE the sweetness between Ennis and Ellery. So glad they have each other at a time like this.
How different it is for Ennis, to have someone to give him strength at a difficult time. So different from all the other major bad-times he went through, basically alone...

Also - poor Ellery. His comment about being "a good actor". Just breaks my heart...he really doesn't deserve this...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 03:29:09 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 30, 2006, 12:38:13 am
The alter egos of our boys have both made it into the Sydney Sunday papers today. Heath has bought the Hollywood home of Ellen DeGeneres and  Hugh is opening his show The Boy from Oz - a musical about the life of Peter Allen - at the Sydney Entertainment Centre.

Our Ellery in a musical, ain't that something?

Wonder what Mr. Coyote thinks about that...

Thanks for sharing the info, mm.
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 30, 2006, 06:40:49 am
Quote from: magicmountain on July 30, 2006, 12:38:13 am
The alter egos of our boys have both made it into the Sydney Sunday papers today. Heath has bought the Hollywood home of Ellen DeGeneres and  Hugh is opening his show The Boy from Oz - a musical about the life of Peter Allen - at the Sydney Entertainment Centre.

If anyone is interested in learning more about Heath and Michelle's new home, over on the "Heath and Michelle in $2.3 million dollar treehouse" I have posted some news items, descriptions, etc. No pictures, though. I haven't been able to track those down yet.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 30, 2006, 09:52:57 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 03:29:09 am
Our Ellery in a musical, ain't that something?

Wonder what Mr. Coyote thinks about that...

Thanks for sharing the info, mm.
Kelly

For more info see:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/allen-spirit-guiding-boy-from-oz/2006/07/30/1153816432685.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 30, 2006, 09:54:43 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/84704.html  "Chapter 36:  A Heated Romance"

and for anyone who is around, I am idling all by my lonesome (sob) in chat!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 30, 2006, 11:20:21 am
Heated is the operative word here....thanks, Louise.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: CarolK1943 on July 30, 2006, 11:40:05 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 30, 2006, 06:40:49 am
If anyone is interested in learning more about Heath and Michelle's new home, over on the "Heath and Michelle in $2.3 million dollar treehouse" I have posted some news items, descriptions, etc. No pictures, though. I haven't been able to track those down yet.

Leslie

There's a 2-page spread including pix in the current issue of US Weekly - dated July 31, which means the next issue goes on sale on that date (tomorrow).  I have this because I am travelling in NH (the bowels of Hell, according to my 14-year-old granddaughter who is with me).  I will do almost anything to keep her occupied.  The list so far is a DVD player, an mp3 player, a cell phone, half a dozen magazines, 3 new CDs, a digital camera, and many trips to Taco Bell - and it's only been a week!  We have another week to go.  I hope my charge cards survive this trip.

Carol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 30, 2006, 12:15:22 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/84881.html  "Chapter 37:  Radio Talk"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 30, 2006, 01:43:12 pm
I'm paying attention, Louise.  The story is really interesting.  I can't wait for the BBQ.  Lauren the head bartender and Simon as a part time bouncer?  I really like Simon, he's so optimistic.  And Dupree's new girl friend.  Maybe Carol?  She was at Ellerey's promotion party, alone I believe.  And Ennis is really becoming a partner with Ellery.  Get those court cases out of the way, so the fun can begin. The AIDS epidemic??

What fun, Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 30, 2006, 03:35:08 pm
Thanks Scudder.... old Carol isnt exactly the same age category as Dupree though.

Simon is a jeweler, and wouldn't be appropriate to approach for a low paid position as a bouncer!  Jewelers make more!

Guys, it hasnt been a very good day for me, your positive comments and feedback and support would really be welcome to me right now, I am sort of in a dazed state.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 30, 2006, 03:37:23 pm
Dupree is going to show up with a FEMALE??  :o
Well, colour me surprised.... I was kinda hoping he would be curious, at least...

Also, just saw an add for a new film, called " You, me  & Dupree". Couldn't stop giggling like a schoolgirl... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 03:40:17 pm
Well, Louise, I never would have been able to stand up for myself if it hadn't been for you and this story and this group here.

Not that it had a very good outcome, but I am glad I had the courage to stand up for myself.
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 30, 2006, 03:44:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 30, 2006, 03:35:08 pm
{snip}

Guys, it hasnt been a very good day for me, your positive comments and feedback and support would really be welcome to me right now, I am sort of in a dazed state.

Hi Louise. Just saw your post.

I'm new here, but I hope it counts for something when I say you absolutely ROCK.
Your writing skills are amazing, you are prolific beyond belief, ( two chapters daily, at least…) and you keep your loyal fans (of which you have a million) at the edge of their seats, the story always fresh and entertaining…
You are doing an amazing job, and I just hope you enjoy writing this fic half as much as we are enjoying reading it.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 30, 2006, 03:53:53 pm
I for one am so glad the Dupree has a new girlfriend-Can hardly wait to meet her--NOW make her really great so every one loves her and he can get his!!! YEESSS!!!
I am enthusiastic about this----glad they aren't going camping though, too open, for right now with everything happening and still people on the loose!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 30, 2006, 04:10:23 pm
Well, I suppose I don't have to mince words anymore.

Today I posted links and announcements concerning the first volume of the Laramie Saga, "Taking Chances" on bbmslash and Wranglers fan communities.  Once I figure out how to do it, I will be making announcements in other places that Bettermost is the official "home" for fan discussion of the Laramie Saga, and to welcome other writers and readers here to the newly revitalized "Fan Fiction" forum.  The advantage for writers is that they get to have their own forum thread, and they get to have a nurturing discussion environment which is not a "Critics Corner" but rather a friendly and open place where they can relate to those who like their stories and want to discuss them with the authors.

I have been deeply favorably impressed by the community here at Bettermost, by the love and dedicated caring of the readers and fans here, and most of all, by the fiercely devoted fans who have spurred me on to continue the Laramie Saga.  Thank you very much, friends, not simply for telling me I'm a good writer, but by relating to and responding to the story I respond to, by moving on and growing in ways that are depicted in the story as a healing saga for all Brokeaholics!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ballymay on July 30, 2006, 04:22:29 pm
Hi,

Been lurking for awhile, figured I should start posting.

Louise, I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying the Laramie Saga. Love all the twist & turns the boys go through (and I mean plot wise not just sexual ;D).

SPOILER  SPOILER



Oh, and I do have one wish, would love to "see" Ennis & Ellery have a nice dance together. Maybe after they come home from Ben's wedding?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 30, 2006, 04:34:26 pm
Welcome Ballymay!  I love it when lurkers register and say hello!

Thank you for your positive comments, and for reading.  I am just now diving into a new chapter for the evening and will stay up late enough to get it finished.  Feel free to plunge into the discussion on whatever point you like.

Most people who are current with the story post SPOILER at the top so that those who are not up to date can choose whether to read or not.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 30, 2006, 04:44:09 pm
Louise -

You are doing a fantastic job! 
You already know how I feel about the Laramie Saga and E&E ..

Ellery would be able to tell you how happy he is ..if he wasn't so tired from all the getting fancy ...  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ac1075ef.jpg)


Keep up the excellent work!  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 05:20:35 pm
Quote from: ballymay on July 30, 2006, 04:22:29 pm
Love all the twist & turns the boys go through (and I mean plot wise not just sexual ;D).

Oh, but surely you also love the sexual twists and turns?  I know I do, even if I can't quite figure out all the exact twists and turns.
 ;)
I've been thinking about them dancing as well!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 05:23:17 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 30, 2006, 04:34:26 pm
Thank you for your positive comments, and for reading.  I am just now diving into a new chapter for the evening and will stay up late enough to get it finished.  Feel free to plunge into the discussion on whatever point you like.

What wonderful news Louise!

(Does this mean you're feeling better?  I hope so.)

You know what, I think the thread is overdue for an E and E toast.  Maybe someone can help out with some images?

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 05:24:51 pm
Leave it to Milli, she always has the perfect picture to cheer up a downhearted soul!

Milli, what should we do for you, should you ever need cheering up?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 30, 2006, 05:29:40 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 05:23:17 pm
What wonderful news Louise!

(Does this mean you're feeling better?  I hope so.)

You know what, I think the thread is overdue for an E and E toast.  Maybe someone can help out with some images?

 ;D

yes it does mean I am feeling better.  I got some things organized in my mind, I got a number of new fan mail, and am feeling much much better Kelly.  You hang in there, because I am about to post a new chapter with a bit of fun in it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 30, 2006, 05:30:34 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/85037.html  "Chapter 38:  An Intimate Gathering"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 05:34:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 30, 2006, 05:30:34 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/85037.html  "Chapter 38:  An Intimate Gathering"

Louise, that seems like perhaps the fastest written chapter ever.  Is it?

**squee** I'm off to the intimate gathering!

Hah.  I've decided to let myself squee on occasion.
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 30, 2006, 05:37:16 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 05:24:51 pm
Leave it to Milli, she always has the perfect picture to cheer up a downhearted soul!

Milli, what should we do for you, should you ever need cheering up?

LOL ..
No worries hun, I have a few pictures like those which do a fine job of keeping me ..umm..well, cheered up!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 05:51:36 pm
Been doing some thinking...  (always scary, I know)

One of the reasons Ennis moving on is important to me -
I'm a veterinarian.  I mostly work with families who's pets have cancer, or are otherwise very ill.  It is quite an experience bonding with my clients and my patients, helping the family reach a decision about what to do.  Treatments are sometimes available, and are sometimes prolonged.  Sometimes there is no treatment.  For every patient and family there is a relationship with me.  As you would imagine, it usually eventually comes time to let the patient go.  Euthanasia is a wonderful thing, but for me, it can also be a horrible thing.  It is a wonderful gift for me and the family to let the pet pass peacefully without suffering.  But I lose something every time I take a life away, and I grieve.  And then, of course, there are the patients that die unexpectedly while you are trying to help them.  Sometimes there is time to feel the grief, other times there are too many other patients to try and help.  If I was to let my grief overwhelm me, I could not survive.  So I have to believe that Ennis has it within himself to heal and move on.

Okay sorry to be depressing.  I'll repost a delectable picture after I read the chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 06:03:22 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 23, 2006, 12:36:44 pm
A repost in honor of the boys earlier fancy activities...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/5834be8c.jpg)




 :o




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 30, 2006, 06:25:57 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 30, 2006, 05:51:36 pm
Been doing some thinking...  (always scary, I know)

One of the reasons Ennis moving on is important to me -
I'm a veterinarian.  I mostly work with families who's pets have cancer, or are otherwise very ill.  It is quite an experience bonding with my clients and my patients, helping the family reach a decision about what to do.  Treatments are sometimes available, and are sometimes prolonged.  Sometimes there is no treatment.  For every patient and family there is a relationship with me.  As you would imagine, it usually eventually comes time to let the patient go.  Euthanasia is a wonderful thing, but for me, it can also be a horrible thing.  It is a wonderful gift for me and the family to let the pet pass peacefully without suffering.  But I lose something every time I take a life away, and I grieve.  And then, of course, there are the patients that die unexpectedly while you are trying to help them.  Sometimes there is time to feel the grief, other times there are too many other patients to try and help.  If I was to let my grief overwhelm me, I could not survive.  So I have to believe that Ennis has it within himself to heal and move on.

Okay sorry to be depressing.  I'll repost a delectable picture after I read the chapter.

Actually Kelly I think your comments and observations are very true to the psychology of moving on.  You deal with the real world of sick and dying pets and loved companions, and death is a part of life... a part we cannot deny happens if we want to be healthy human beings.  And dealing with death appropriately is a crucial theme in the Laramie Saga... moving on and processing grief.  And I thank you for sharing all of that... it was not depressing at all, but very real and understandable.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 30, 2006, 07:24:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 30, 2006, 06:25:57 pm
Actually Kelly I think your comments and observations are very true to the psychology of moving on.  You deal with the real world of sick and dying pets and loved companions, and death is a part of life... a part we cannot deny happens if we want to be healthy human beings.  And dealing with death appropriately is a crucial theme in the Laramie Saga... moving on and processing grief.  And I thank you for sharing all of that... it was not depressing at all, but very real and understandable.

As a nurse who has done a fair amount of work in hospice (one of the journals I edit is "The Journal of Hospice and Pallliative Nursing"), I'll chime in with my 2 cents. Kelly and Louise both make very good points. After many families go through a dying process with a loved one, they find that the opportunity to share that experience is, in an of itself, a gift itself. They learn that death is not something to be feared but just another of life's transitions, something to experience and learn from. Unfortunately, not all families have this opportunity, for whatever reason. Ellery was very perceptive when he said, early on, that if Jack had died of cancer, Ennis might have had some time to process that. But the way Jack died, plust the total secrecy of their relationship, did not give Ennis any opportunity to grieve in a "normal" and appropriate way. Ellery has given Ennis that, 2+ years after the fact and it has made Ennis a more mature and insightful person.

I think that Ennis appreciates and understands this on some level. As time goes on and their relationship becomes more firmly established, Ennis will understand more, and perhaps even be able to articulate this to others...I am thinking, specifically, of Junior.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 30, 2006, 08:41:06 pm
Thank you, Louise, for the new chapters. I am still absolutely loving this story!  I'm glad your day is going better than it was.

Thank you, Kelly and Leslie, for sharing your insights on working with dying patients and their families.  That you both have real life experience in this area, and you also appreciate Louise's story, is a tribute to just how "right" she is getting it.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 30, 2006, 08:43:44 pm
Am I the only one who wonders if Dupree's new "girl" is a puppy?!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 30, 2006, 08:47:38 pm
Quote from: laurel on July 30, 2006, 08:43:44 pm
Am I the only one who wonders if Dupree's new "girl" is a puppy?!

Given that Dupree has been working night and day, first at his job at the Sheriff's Office and a bouncer, and now overtime on these murder cases, I wonder when he time to find a new girlfriend?? And where?

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 30, 2006, 08:58:53 pm
Ok,  I have a complaint!     

That last romp between Ennis and Ellery steamed up my computer monitor and I couldn't see the next chapter for several hours!    LOL :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 30, 2006, 09:00:17 pm
Quote from: laurel on July 30, 2006, 08:43:44 pm
Am I the only one who wonders if Dupree's new "girl" is a puppy?!

i hope so too! 

I also hope "she" isn't  Amos in a dress!    LOL !  :laugh: 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 30, 2006, 09:08:53 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 30, 2006, 08:58:53 pm
Ok,  I have a complaint!     

That last romp between Ennis and Ellery steamed up my computer monitor and I couldn't see the next chapter for several hours!    LOL :laugh:

Oh David, don't give us that excuse....we know you were dancing in New York and then brunching....saying hi to my NY and MD brokie friends. I hope you recruited a few more readers for your favorite fanfic authors!

Hugs,
L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 30, 2006, 09:10:47 pm
Speaking of Dupree .. I have a dude who reminds me of him hunnerd percent ..
(well, I don't have the dude ..
I wish ..Lol)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/1861ab52.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 30, 2006, 09:17:56 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 30, 2006, 09:00:17 pm
 
I also hope "she" isn't  Amos in a dress!    LOL !  :laugh: 

Gotta say, I  hadn't though of that possibility, David!!  Can you imagine Ellery's reaction?!!

Lucise,
I wish, too! ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 30, 2006, 09:18:24 pm
Dupree?   Love the bod on him Mill, but he looks to shaggy to be Dupree.   He is ex-Military which means real clean cut hair style.   I also imagine him just a tad beefier too.

I think this guy is good, but maybe a better Brad Sevigny?    ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 30, 2006, 09:21:27 pm
Wouldn't that be cute? 

Everyone is anxious to meet Duprees new "girl" and then he walks into the back patio area with a cute new female Chocolate Labrador ??   

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 30, 2006, 09:41:43 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 30, 2006, 09:21:27 pm
Wouldn't that be cute? 

Everyone is anxious to meet Duprees new "girl" and then he walks into the back patio area with a cute new female Chocolate Labrador ??   

 ;)

A chocolate lab? But this guy is male....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Chestercopy.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 30, 2006, 10:20:59 pm
OH PLEASE---I want Dupree to be getting his!! SO I want a real girl!!
And a nice one with a good sense of humor too--so everybody likes her.

AND if he does bring a puppy-Aside from kicking the computer in frustration----IT  had better be gold---I can't stand Chocolate labs, every one I have ever known has been a pain in the kazoo-and mostly stupid---
all the golds I meet are usually top notch!! NO CHOCOLATE in this instance!! Please
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 30, 2006, 10:29:34 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on July 30, 2006, 10:20:59 pm
OH PLEASE---I want Dupree to be getting his!! SO I want a real girl!!
And a nice one with a good sense of humor too--so everybody likes her.

AND if he does bring a puppy-Aside from kicking the computer in frustration----IT  had better be gold---I can't stand Chocolate labs, every one I have ever known has been a pain in the kazoo-and mostly stupid---
all the golds I meet are usually top notch!! NO CHOCOLATE in this instance!! Please

LOL, my husband recently adopted a chocolate lab (the guy in the picture, actually). Middle aged and pleasant, but dumb as a rock. And he thought our ancient greyhound was stupid! LOL, she is freakin genius compared to Chester, except she is a little senile in her old age....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 30, 2006, 10:58:53 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 30, 2006, 09:18:24 pm
Dupree?   Love the bod on him Mill, but he looks to shaggy to be Dupree.   He is ex-Military which means real clean cut hair style.   I also imagine him just a tad beefier too.

Hmmm.. I know Dupree is already cast and very secure in the Gallery, but I keep finding others .. like this dude ...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/7fb89034.jpg)


Damn!    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 31, 2006, 12:46:21 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 30, 2006, 09:10:47 pm



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/1861ab52.jpg)



Okay, maybe this guy isn't quite right as Dupree, but can we find a place for him somewhere?  Maybe a bit part that is still uncast?  Please??!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 01:05:34 am
Maybe the new guy could be Ben, Joe's son that is getting married... I don't think we have him cast yet.  (It does get hard to keep though, lol.)

Of course this guy doesn't look anything like Joe, but who cares about those semantics!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 31, 2006, 01:06:58 am
Quote from: laurel on July 31, 2006, 12:46:21 am
Okay, maybe this guy isn't quite right as Dupree, but can we find a place for him somewhere?  Maybe a bit part that is still uncast?  Please??!!!!!

Could he be the dude that catches Dupree's eye?
Could he become a regular at the Red Stallion?

If he can't be part of the story, the next time I update the Gallery, I'll add him as an 'Incredibly Hot Extra', or 'Hot U of W student' ... something!

..Stop me if I sound too desperate .. LOL...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 31, 2006, 01:08:21 am
Quote from: laurel on July 31, 2006, 12:46:21 am
Okay, maybe this guy isn't quite right as Dupree, but can we find a place for him somewhere?  Maybe a bit part that is still uncast?  Please??!!!!!

What about Dupree's younger brother?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 31, 2006, 01:11:38 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 01:05:34 am
Maybe the new guy could be Ben, Joe's son that is getting married... I don't think we have him cast yet.  (It does get hard to keep though, lol.)

Of course this guy doesn't look anything like Joe, but who cares about those semantics!

We have a Ben Tooey already Kel!
Here he is ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ben1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 31, 2006, 02:17:02 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 30, 2006, 09:21:27 pm
Wouldn't that be cute? 

Everyone is anxious to meet Duprees new "girl" and then he walks into the back patio area with a cute new female Chocolate Labrador ??   

 ;)

I second that!!

I'm thinking of starting a "Let Dupree explore his curiosity " campaign. ;D

Obsessive? Who, me???  :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 03:17:26 am
well you folks have sure put a smile on my face this morning.

"Incredibly hot extra!"  you boys and girls should be out pounding the pavement looking for some of the Sheriff's staff:  like Taylor, Jones, Reynolds, Simpson and Jewell!

And I get cast candidates for chocolate labradors?  WTF?

*Louise watches sadly as the audience steals the story and runs away with the plot between their teeth.*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 05:08:54 am
Folks, I figured since I was in such a somber state of mind over the weekend, I should share with you some good news.

As you know, I have begun the process of putting out updates and announcements about the Laramie Saga to the two large Livejournal communities for fan fiction:  BBMSlash and Wranglers.  I will begin posting updates on those communities for "Shelter From the Storm" starting now.

As a result of my posting yesterday, I am getting Livejournal feedback from the beginning of "Taking Chances" and it warmed my heart to read comments from NEW fans of the Saga.  Included with each of these announcements is an invitation to join the "Ennis and Ellery" discussion as well as the Fan Fiction section of Bettermost.

In addition, last night after posting my announcement, there were from 8 to 12 lurkers reading the "Ennis and Ellery" thread here, in addition to registered users.

Let's give a warm hello to the lurkers, lots more beautiful damn skinny men, hot extras, and photographic galleries!  Welcome Lurkers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on July 31, 2006, 06:24:52 am
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 05:08:54 am
Folks, I figured since I was in such a somber state of mind over the weekend, I should share with you some good news.

As you know, I have begun the process of putting out updates and announcements about the Laramie Saga to the two large Livejournal communities for fan fiction:  BBMSlash and Wranglers.  I will begin posting updates on those communities for "Shelter From the Storm" starting now.

As a result of my posting yesterday, I am getting Livejournal feedback from the beginning of "Taking Chances" and it warmed my heart to read comments from NEW fans of the Saga.  Included with each of these announcements is an invitation to join the "Ennis and Ellery" discussion as well as the Fan Fiction section of Bettermost.

In addition, last night after posting my announcement, there were from 8 to 12 lurkers reading the "Ennis and Ellery" thread here, in addition to registered users.

Let's give a warm hello to the lurkers, lots more beautiful damn skinny men, hot extras, and photographic galleries!  Welcome Lurkers!

Welcome lurkers to our great community!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on July 31, 2006, 06:33:27 am
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 03:17:26 am
{snip}

And I get cast candidates for chocolate labradors?  WTF?

*Louise watches sadly as the audience steals the story and runs away with the plot between their teeth.*

Consider yourself lucky, Louise.

Dupree could have meant his new pet girl - hamster... ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on July 31, 2006, 06:40:38 am
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 05:08:54 am
Let's give a warm hello to the lurkers, lots more beautiful damn skinny men, hot extras, and photographic galleries!  Welcome Lurkers!

hello lurkers!
louise, nice to see you all cheerfull and thinking about beautiful damn skinny men and hot extras. we can never have enough of those.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 06:59:45 am
now listen folks, when I said "Dupree will be showing up with a female" it was not to start the Mystery Theater wheels turning.  What's the matter, have I put you through so many twists and turns plotwise that every unintentionally ambiguous comment I make in LJ turns into a Major Plot Speculation?

 :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 07:08:53 am
I was re-watching "Strictly Ballroom" again last night (one of my all time favorite movies...and it has a happy ending) and I was drooling over the gorgeous-ness of Paul Mercurio (the scene where he dances by himself...sigh....). Anyway, do you think we can throw him in as an extra somewhere? He doesn't look like a cop, really, maybe a student at the University?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/paul.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 31, 2006, 07:23:37 am
Quote from: RonitR on July 31, 2006, 06:33:27 am
Consider yourself lucky, Louise.

Dupree could have meant his new pet girl - hamster... ;)

Puleeez!   No Gerbil jokes people!     :-X
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 31, 2006, 07:26:35 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 30, 2006, 10:58:53 pm
Hmmm.. I know Dupree is already cast and very secure in the Gallery, but I keep finding others .. like this dude ...
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/7fb89034.jpg)
Damn!    ;D

OMG!  :o     Too... hot....in.....here.......<faints>  Thud! 


No wonder Ennis likes working with Dupree at the bar!     :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 31, 2006, 07:30:24 am
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 06:59:45 am
now listen folks, when I said "Dupree will be showing up with a female" it was not to start the Mystery Theater wheels turning.  What's the matter, have I put you through so many twists and turns plotwise that every unintentionally ambiguous comment I make in LJ turns into a Major Plot Speculation?

 :-\

Louisev,  you've pulled the rug out from under me so many times plotwise that I have rug burns!    LOL !

 ;) :) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 07:32:59 am
ohhhhhh , so that's how it is now.  Nobody trusts me anymore.   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 31, 2006, 07:48:56 am
Ah don't worry Louisev,  those rug burns are from someone  something else!   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 07:56:15 am
you know david, I have plenty of free space in my mailbox if you have any beautiful naked men in compromising positions to send me.  It might possibly make the plot go "your way."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 31, 2006, 08:02:51 am
LOL!   Don't dare me Louisev!   

I run across pics of guys in E&E love scene positions all the time!    Unfortunately none could be posted here without violating Phillips rules and about a half dozen local state and Federal laws against indecencey.  He he he!     :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 08:36:50 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 31, 2006, 08:02:51 am
LOL!   Don't dare me Louisev!   

I run across pics of guys in E&E love scene positions all the time!    Unfortunately none could be posted here without violating Phillips rules and about a half dozen local state and Federal laws against indecencey.  He he he!     :laugh:

there is no rule against pm'ing things to me though, not whatsoever!!!! I would love to see some of those love scene positions!  It will help stimulate my creativity.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 08:37:08 am
Stats Update:

We are now no. 3 in most replies (we passed NC17 this morning) and no. 2 in most views (behind the ABC game).

To get to no. 2 in most replies will take some work..."Lines from BBM visualized" is about 1000 posts ahead of us.

Get going, folks! Men, men and more men! LOL Props! Recipes!

Leslie
Stats Chick
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 31, 2006, 09:04:37 am
Here is a bracelet attachment just right for Ennis (That's if he agrees to wear one!)

(http://static.ubid.com/mgen/vximg/scale.ms?args=%223_500066620_0.jpg%22,300,300)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on July 31, 2006, 09:15:11 am
If Ellery ever decides to get his nipple pierced here is a custom made Deputy Sheriff Nipple Shield direct from Painful Pleasures!

(http://www.painfulpleasures.com/body_jewelry/gallery/Nipple_Shields/NS015-silver.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 09:18:10 am
holy crap, Jo!  Are you helping here?  This after the "poll question" thing!

oh by the way...

Leslie and I are in chat, and you guys get a new chapter.  Enjoy!  No, it isn't a Chocolate Lab, it isn't a Hamster, it isnt a Gerbil, it's....


http://louisev.livejournal.com/85348.html  "Chapter 39:  Couples"


spoiler









*a military policewoman!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 31, 2006, 09:30:39 am
**Spoiler**








A regular G.I.Jane!   I guess a muscular girlfriend for Dupree is better than starting him off with a swishy boyfriend!    LOL.

Maybe Jeremy likes the dominant type!    <big evil grin>
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 09:34:01 am
David, there is just no end to your elaborations on the plot!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 31, 2006, 09:35:58 am
:-X  :P  :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 31, 2006, 11:00:55 am
Quote from: Lucise on July 30, 2006, 10:58:53 pm
Hmmm.. I know Dupree is already cast and very secure in the Gallery, but I keep finding others .. like this dude ...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/7fb89034.jpg)


Damn!    ;D


OMG I'll take him as Dupree ANY DAY and several times on weekends!! OH WOW!!
plus he has a sensitive look to him that also says no nonsense, and I like that.  He gets my vote!!! WOW

SPOILER ALERT SOMEWHAT:




I am liking the "new girl"!!   I think she will fit right in, especially if she already can make Dupree blush--she works for me!!  And open right up to the guys.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 11:30:41 am
this however does not ... really clear up Dupree's ambiguity problems.  A girlfriend half a country away?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 11:52:58 am
SPOILER...














It was suggested that I try to find some of those compromising photos of Amos Marigold for the gallery...I did a quick search and folks...I don't want to go there. I think I'll pass on this assignment, if it is okay with you. LOL

Leslie
"Always willing to look at a hot guy but Amos in undies...I don't think so...."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 31, 2006, 12:11:50 pm
Poor Amos.     Caught out at Karioke night !

(http://pictures.dealer.com/wagnerford/9aee371a4046386e000cc3e8e2429d08.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on July 31, 2006, 12:14:08 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 11:30:41 am
this however does not ... really clear up Dupree's ambiguity problems.  A girlfriend half a country away?

OUCH OUCH OUCH!      < I keep biting my tongue>   :-X :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 12:18:44 pm
Hey gang,

Do any of you have a Word-compiled document of "A Second Chance" by any ...chance?  I have "Taking Chances", "Looking for Answers", and the first section of "Shelter From the Storm" but not the third book.  If so could you ship it to me at [email protected] ?

I have an offline reader who is greedily devouring the Saga in large, watermelon size chunks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: nic on July 31, 2006, 12:27:01 pm
That might be me?  O0  But I'm not that greedy & am probably the only person on earth who doesn't like watermelon!

'Twould be most convenient if anyone has, as I have just yesterday finished LfA  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 31, 2006, 12:30:51 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 11:52:58 am
SPOILER...














It was suggested that I try to find some of those compromising photos of Amos Marigold for the gallery...I did a quick search and folks...I don't want to go there. I think I'll pass on this assignment, if it is okay with you. LOL

Leslie
"Always willing to look at a hot guy but Amos in undies...I don't think so...."

further spoilers ahead:


Thank you so much, Leslie, for your restraint.  :)

If someone really does find pictures to represent Amos in undies, some of us would appreciate a new warning category: Nausea Alert.
                                        :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on July 31, 2006, 12:39:01 pm

         *** Spoiler Alert ***













In chapter 39 I believe we have a major personal growth moment for Ennis:

“Just fine, Ellery. An I am just thrilled yer givin me the bartender job!” Lauren threw his arms around Ellery, who staggered back from his enthusiasm. Unlike Ennis’s usual scowl when someone showed Ellery affection, he grinned broadly.

Ennis knows, respects, and trusts Lauren. Having Simon present and obviously comfortable, and developing deeper trust for the strong relationship he has with Ellery,
Ennis is able to accept friendship with another gay couple. This looks to me like a big step toward our Ennis's feeling more comfortable in his own skin.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on July 31, 2006, 01:48:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 11:30:41 am
this however does not ... really clear up Dupree's ambiguity problems.  A girlfriend half a country away?

You are some psychologist, Louise.  I think you are on to something and I won't say what, cause I am a very poor prognosticator and have a poor imagination.  But I can sure enjoy yours.
What's wrong with a few pics of Amos cross dressing?  Women do it all the time and the Romans sure wore dresses.  What a macho, silly culture we live in!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 02:02:16 pm
Quote from: nic on July 31, 2006, 12:27:01 pm
That might be me?  O0  But I'm not that greedy & am probably the only person on earth who doesn't like watermelon!

'Twould be most convenient if anyone has, as I have just yesterday finished LfA  :)

send your email address (a real email address, not this board address) to me and I will shoot you the copy opinionista sent me just a little while ago!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 31, 2006, 02:27:13 pm
Marginally related to E&E.

Leslie, when are you leaving for London and meet Louise?  I know you mentioned the date, but it’s buried somewhere in E&E thread. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 31, 2006, 02:40:23 pm
Good day folks!

I am abit late checking in today .. but I am here!  ;)

And I join everyone else in welcoming all the lurkers who have de-lurked!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/wel1.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 02:48:45 pm
Quote from: scudder on July 31, 2006, 01:48:12 pm
You are some psychologist, Louise.  I think you are on to something and I won't say what, cause I am a very poor prognosticator and have a poor imagination.  But I can sure enjoy yours.
What's wrong with a few pics of Amos cross dressing?  Women do it all the time and the Romans sure wore dresses.  What a macho, silly culture we live in!

If I could find something that was remotely enjoyable to look at then fine....but snapshots of home-grown Rocky Horror Picture Show parties (which is all I kept coming up with...) believe me scudder, you don't want to see these people. LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 02:52:47 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 31, 2006, 02:27:13 pm
Marginally related to E&E.

Leslie, when are you leaving for London and meet Louise?  I know you mentioned the date, but it’s buried somewhere in E&E thread. 

I can answer that.  Saturday.  I will be flying in early Saturday morning, and Leslie's conference lets out after lunch, and we will be palling around until we both leave to go back to our respective countries Monday.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 31, 2006, 02:53:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 29, 2006, 01:27:07 pm
hee hee hee hee

muahahahahaha

*Hitchcock-like smile*

Are you going to make a cameo appearance then, Louise?

*grin*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 02:55:57 pm
Okay okay hold off sending copies of "A Second Chance!"  I got one from two different sources.  Anybody who would like the Word copy of any of the four books, please pm your REAL email address to me, or email me at [email protected] and you can have the complete (corrected) versions of the First Draft of The ENTIRE SERIES!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 02:56:30 pm
Quote from: Helen on July 31, 2006, 02:53:56 pm
Are you going to make a cameo appearance then, Louise?

*grin*

oh yes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 03:00:50 pm
Quote from: JennyC on July 31, 2006, 02:27:13 pm
Marginally related to E&E.

Leslie, when are you leaving for London and meet Louise?  I know you mentioned the date, but it’s buried somewhere in E&E thread. 


Jenny--

I leave tomorrow, travel all day, arrive in London early Wednesday morning. Connect with Louise on Saturday.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 03:04:35 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/85732.html  "Chapter 40:  New Friends"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Helen on July 31, 2006, 03:51:03 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 03:00:50 pm

Jenny--

I leave tomorrow, travel all day, arrive in London early Wednesday morning. Connect with Louise on Saturday.

L

I'll wave to you over the Atlantic :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on July 31, 2006, 03:54:30 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 03:00:50 pm

Jenny--

I leave tomorrow, travel all day, arrive in London early Wednesday morning. Connect with Louise on Saturday.

L

My memery has not fooled me. I sort of remember it is the beginning of Aug.

In that case, you have a nice and safe trip even with the awarkful out-bound itinerary.  Enjoy your time in London and meeting with Louise.  Check in with us when you can. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2006, 04:44:35 pm
All right, informal E&E poll:

Which pet name do you find most offensive?


Pookie

Lumpkin

Snookems

Please reply in 50 words or less.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on July 31, 2006, 04:49:54 pm
I dislike them all---in equal intensity--I think endearments have to based on the people involved, and those are just too pat and steriotypical---like comic book endearments, baby names don't do it.  I like Garfield's teddy bear Pookie  .   
that's for the POLL!!                                                                                                                           


 

No Nic, you are not the only one who doesn't like watermelon, I hate that fruit and flavor, can't stand it in cotton candy, gum, or vitamin pills yech!!!

I don't necessarily want Dupree to be Bi-but I could stand it if he was, I also don't really think it is that strange to be long distances from each other either when military service is involved, he just got out, and she is still in--what difference does that make exactly??
Like no one travels away from loved ones due to work anymore??   I used to date a guy 3 states away when he was in the army to, and it wasn't hard. 
After we split, he married a service woman in his company.  Worked for me too, I like her.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 31, 2006, 07:12:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 04:44:35 pm
All right, informal E&E poll:

Which pet name do you find most offensive?


Pookie

Lumpkin

Snookems

Please reply in 50 words or less.

Lumpkin??  :laugh:   Sorry, just funny is all!

I like "cupcake"  ;D  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 08:22:38 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 31, 2006, 01:11:38 am
We have a Ben Tooey already Kel!
Here he is ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/ben1.jpg)

Oops forgot... that guy actually looks like an old boyfriend.  lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 08:24:23 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 06:59:45 am
now listen folks, when I said "Dupree will be showing up with a female" it was not to start the Mystery Theater wheels turning.  What's the matter, have I put you through so many twists and turns plotwise that every unintentionally ambiguous comment I make in LJ turns into a Major Plot Speculation?

 :-\

Yes!
 ;D ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 08:52:23 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 11:52:58 am
SPOILER...














It was suggested that I try to find some of those compromising photos of Amos Marigold for the gallery...I did a quick search and folks...I don't want to go there. I think I'll pass on this assignment, if it is okay with you. LOL

Leslie
"Always willing to look at a hot guy but Amos in undies...I don't think so...."

Yes Leslie, that is definitely okay with me!
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 08:59:17 pm
Safe travels Leslie!
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 09:26:39 pm
Quote from: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 08:59:17 pm
Safe travels Leslie!
 :)

Thank you Kelly... I will be in touch as I roam.....

Hugs to all of you, my friends....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 10:23:36 pm
Oops I forgot to welcome any lurking fans - welcome! 

De-lurk if you want, it's fun!

Does anyone feel up for making a top ten moments between E and E list?

I'll start: one of my all time faves is the 'look of lust' and ensuing interchange between Ennis and Ellery at the Rose Hotel as they look for the ring that Pete lost. 

It was great how they all flashed back to the beginning tonight.

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 10:28:58 pm
Oh, I forgot Louise asked about offensive pet names... well, I used to live in a town where the was a street named Lumpkin, so I don't mind that one.

Honestly, none of them are really offensive... just sorta take some getting used to...  One of my good friends and her husband call each other Pookie.  Personally, I'm a honey, sweety, babe kinda person.  And lately, I've been using the word 'bud' a lot.
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on July 31, 2006, 10:35:59 pm
Safe Journey Leslie!

Remember to take pix, and plenty of them!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 31, 2006, 10:53:55 pm
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 06:59:45 am
What's the matter, have I put you through so many twists and turns plotwise that every unintentionally ambiguous comment I make in LJ turns into a Major Plot Speculation?
 :-\

In a word, Yes!!!   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 31, 2006, 10:57:06 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on July 31, 2006, 12:11:50 pm
Poor Amos.     Caught out at Karioke night !

(http://pictures.dealer.com/wagnerford/9aee371a4046386e000cc3e8e2429d08.jpg)

I almost fell on the floor when I saw this.  This is one of the funniest pictures I have ever seen!  Thank you David! :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on July 31, 2006, 11:06:12 pm
Quote from: Lucise on July 28, 2006, 12:05:01 pm
Here's a nice way to start any day ...  :P  (I am a sucker for that smile ..)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/852f6cac.jpg)
I just needed another look at this picture.  You're right, that is one melt-worthy smile!  ::)
Thank you, Lucise! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on August 01, 2006, 02:47:32 am
Quote from: notBastet on July 31, 2006, 10:23:36 pm
....
Does anyone feel up for making a top ten moments between E and E list?

I'll start: one of my all time faves is the 'look of lust' and ensuing interchange between Ennis and Ellery at the Rose Hotel as they look for the ring that Pete lost. 


That was just an AMAZING moment...

I don't know why, the first great moment that comes to mind, for me, is in the first book, when Ellery hurts his back falling down, Ennis has a melt-down about Jack, and Ellery asking Ennis if he really intends to go back to Riverton, because if he is "he might as well put the food down and start with the throwing - up..". Ellery's pain at that moment just broke my heart.

But I guess you meant Happy top-ten moments  ;)

There are so many, but how about when Ellery tells Ennis he thinks they are falling in love (awww... ), also, Junior catching them on the patio.

And, of course, any Ellery - on -top scene  is a top -ten moment in MY book  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 03:28:09 am
now this... is a really great idea!  Better than the Pet Names idea. That was mostly a joke poll by the way.  I cracked myself up writing it.  I tried to think ... hm, after all those shootings, police procedure, lawyers, DA's, homophobes, rifle switching and ballistics... what could possibly provide comedy relief?  And of course, the idea of a little get together on the patio and the Laurel and Simon pet name show made me howl.  Made even funnier by the fact that a great big guy with great big muscles is calling Laure "Pookie" and toasting him.  Simon isnt afraid that anyone knows he's gay - he could put any two guys through the floor!

Anyway, so much for amusing myself.

The really great idea is the "top ten moments" idea.  Because I certainly have my favorites!  For example: the reunion scene after Ennis comes back from visiting his daughter Junior in Riverton, and Ellery is waiting at the door in  his dress blacks, knowing how much Ennis likes a man in uniform, and Ennis begins to discover just how much he likes to hear his man beg:


“What a you want, boy? You want ta fuck me?” he whispered against Ennis’s mouth, his voice pitched to that low vibration where his words were more felt than heard, and made Ennis shudder with another jolt of arousal, his hips pushing into Ellery’s crotch, his cock a hard, aching lump as it rubbed against the rustling linen of the black dress uniform.

“I want ya ta beg,” he growled, nipping, his teeth snagging Ellery’s bottom lip, nipping again, his hand pushing at the back of Ellery’s head, devouring him with another hard kiss and then suddenly let him up for air, his hand falling down rapidly and kneading his ass as his other arm held him steady, still captive. “I’m gonna tease ya till ya beg.”
 
"Taking Chances" chapter 82.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 03:36:23 am
Then of course, the burned biscuits sex:

“You never like my theories, Ennis,” Ellery persisted, his voice rising. “Maybe they’re just a little too close ta the bone.”

“Shut the fuck up, just let me eat an forget it.”

“I don’t think so.” Those slate eyes were piercing him, daring him, provoking him, and he scrambled up out of his chair, white hot with anger, gripping onto sharp elbows, glaring into his face.

“I said shut up,” he growled, his breath hot on Ellery’s face, and he in turn was seized, Ellery’s long fingers digging into his upper arms, as he forced his mouth on Ennis’s, prying his lips open with his tongue, pulling him into a hot kiss that was half rage, half passion, and Ennis responded automatically, his hands letting go the elbows and crushing him into a bear hug, a surge of lust making him hard once more, fueled by a helpless anger that had no proper outlet.

He fumbled his pants open and pulled Ellery up to his feet, marching him to the sofa and pushing him down onto his knees, then tore his briefs down , already thrusting blindly with his hips, then grabbed his cock, aiming it back into him with a savage thrust, then tightening his hands over his hips and riding him savagely, not stopping until he came with a strangled groan, feeling Ellery’s body shudder with orgasm beneath him.

He pulled out, slowly, feeling guilty and ashamed of his rage, running his hands down Ellery’s ass as if to console him after a rape, then backed away a step.

“Sweetheart,” Ellery said softly, his voice pitched with the husky tone of satisfied lust.

“Whut?” he asked, his heart thudding.

“Doughboys are burnin.”

Taking Chances, Chapter 88
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 01, 2006, 05:01:35 am
This gets my vote for one of the best Ennis and Ellery moments:

“Yep... but I got a special request for ya, sweetheart... you were so good about the lariat an all...”

“Want me ta tie ya ta the bed this time?” Ennis rasped, head falling against the back of the sofa as he felt the soft wetness of Ellery’s lips zone in on his left nipple, sucking deeply before letting go, and he looked up.

“Nope... I want ta fuck you again, Ennis. From on top. On yer knees.”

“Ohhh....” Ennis breathed, a shiver going through him at the words, on yer knees.... and his arousal became obvious moments later, Ellery’s long fingers working open the buckle on his denims and unzipping him.

“I’ll make it real good for ya, I figured I could give you a good tonguin first of all to get you loosened up, an make you come real good...” he lapped at the nipple between words, his right thumb pressing the top of his cock as it pressed against his drawers, aching to get out, "an once yer all nice an muzzy then slide in an give you a real smooth ride, whattaya say, cowboy?”

“Yeahhhh just... be careful...”

“Yer cock sure likes the idea,” Ellery murmured against his chest, scraping his teeth gently against the edge of his nipple, causing Ennis’s back to arch, and his cock to twitch hard under the rubbing thumb abrading his tip through the taut fabric.

Well, I could just quote the whole chapter, because it's all great, but I think you get the idea! ::)

A Second Chance, Chapter 4 A Special request
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 05:10:28 am
oh yeah, that one.

Hard to argue with the comment "Yer cock sure likes the idea."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 06:02:11 am
I don't have the books in front of me and I am literally rushing out the door for mey trip, but fragments of conversation that I often flash back on:

Ellery saying, "How does a grown man have such a soft face?" when they are sitting together on his couch.

Ellery says, "I have a theory..." (I think Ennis says something in the middle) then Ellery continues, "I think we're falling in love."

There are tons more of course...

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on August 01, 2006, 06:21:10 am
The scene laurel quoted is a doozy.

The last time Ellery was on top, and Ennis thought he was "dominant", was HOT too.

Also, poor Edna finding the Vaseline in their bedroom had me in stitches.. :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 06:30:16 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 06:02:11 am
I don't have the books in front of me and I am literally rushing out the door for mey trip, but fragments of conversation that I often flash back on:

Ellery saying, "How does a grown man have such a soft face?" when they are sitting together on his couch.

Ellery says, "I have a theory..." (I think Ennis says something in the middle) then Ellery continues, "I think we're falling in love."

There are tons more of course...

L



hurry, you fool! I thought you were already gone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 06:36:03 am
I am leaving right now...talk soon, everyone!

Hugs,

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 07:10:16 am
Making my day!

I just got a Livejournal comment about "Taking Chances" from a reader who sat down and read it cover to cover overnight, apparently.  Here were the comments left for me.

WOW' IVE JUST SPENT THE LAST TWENTY FOUR HOURS READING THIS BOOK. I HAD READ THE STORY OF JACKS MOM GIVING HIM THE JOURNAL AND HIM DECIDING TO SAVE IT FOR LATER WHEN I COULD NEVER FIND ANY MORE TO THE STORY..SO MANY WRITERS ARE NOT WORKING AND POSTING NOW UNTIL I FIGURED THAT WAS WHAT HAD HAPPENED.I JUST JOINED DAVE CULLENS JOURNAL YEST. AND FOUND THIS AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABOUT TO PUT IT DOWN. NO SLEEP AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE COULD GET ME TO STOP READING THIS STORY. ITS TRULY THE MOST HEART RENDING STORY TO COME TO FAN FIC. ITS NOT PRETENDING IT GOT TO CHANGE HISTORY AND BRING BACK THE DEAD. THE WHOLE ORIGINAL STORY WAS ABOUT MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. THE END WAS TO LET YOU WONDER NOT ONLY WHAT MIGHT HAVE BE BUT OWHAT NOW... THIS IS TRULY SPECIAL AND A GREAT TEACHING LESSON TO SE IF ENNIS COULD HAVE BENEFITED AFTER ALL FROM THE PAST, AND NEITHER GIVE UP, AND SLOWLY WITHER AND DIE. OR COULD HE REALLY LEARN AND MOVE FORWARD.ITS TRULY THE HARDEST THING A PERSON CAN DO. THIS IS TRULY WORTH TO BE A SEQUAL TO BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN. NOT JUST A AU. GREAT WOR K AND I WANT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR STORY AND WRITING. ITS SOMETIMES BOTH SAD AND FUNNY, POINIANT AND RIDICULOUS. I JUST LOVE IT.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 01, 2006, 07:13:31 am
Quote from: louisev on July 31, 2006, 04:44:35 pm
All right, informal E&E poll:

Which pet name do you find most offensive?

Pookie
Lumpkin
Snookems

Please reply in 50 words or less.

All of the above.   And in honesty, Ellery uses "Sweetheart" way too much as well.   As a guy, I find more masculine names preferable.   "C'mere Cowboy" works just as well as "C'mere Sweetheart" and seems more appropriate for Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 07:16:56 am
*FACEPALM!!!*

David, I can't believe this.  I get a comment from Leslie "Ellery hasn't called Ennis 'sweetheart' very much lately" and now a comment from you "Ellery uses 'Sweetheart' way too much".  This is one of these damned if you do, damned if you don't situations.  I have met that delicate balance of endearments where I am using them too much for you, and too little for Leslie, thus displeasing both populations!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 01, 2006, 07:20:10 am
Louisev  I see a trend here.  Alot of us jumped in mid story and had to read all day long for several days to catch up.   

I guess that is the best testament to great writing!      No worries about disallusioned fans here.   If they find you at Dave Cullen or Live Journal and make their way to BetterMost, you know they are true E&E junkies!   

 ;D   David
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 01, 2006, 07:27:45 am
Quote from: louisev on August 01, 2006, 07:16:56 am
*FACEPALM!!!*

David, I can't believe this.  I get a comment from Leslie "Ellery hasn't called Ennis 'sweetheart' very much lately" and now a comment from you "Ellery uses 'Sweetheart' way too much".  This is one of these damned if you do, damned if you don't situations.  I have met that delicate balance of endearments where I am using them too much for you, and too little for Leslie, thus displeasing both populations!

ROFLOL!    Now THAT doesn't surprise me at all!!

As I said,  I think it is a "Guy" thing.   Guys just don't like the mushy terms of endearment.   I had an Ex-BF call me "pookie" a few times and man would I give him the "Ennis stare".  I swear he did it just to annoy me. 

I think Darlin is a good one for private moments.  I'd still cringe if I was called Darlin at the supermarket.  LOL

Don't take it personally Louisev,  you should know by now that you can't please everybody!  LOL

I'm NOT making an issue of it, just an observation.  Would be interesting to get some feedback posted by other Male E&E fans though.   

Guys?  what do ya think? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 07:51:48 am
I think just to rub it in, I'm going to count the number of ACTUAL "sweethearts" tendered in each volume, and we can vote on "too much" or "too little."

One of the fiercest criticisms I ever got for my stories was Ennis calling Ellery "boy"  because it seemed demeaning (I think that was the criticism.)  I went through the first two books (the only two at that time) and counted up how many times in two volumes each of them called the other "boy."    Ellery called Ennis "boy" 26 times and Ennis called Ellery "boy" 5 times.  So much for who is demeaning whom!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 01, 2006, 07:59:49 am
I see nothing wrong with E&E calling eachother "Boy".   

It just has to be used in the correct context.

"Boy go fetch me a beer"  <---Wrong!

"Boy C'mere and git on your knees"   <---Hell yes. 

"Boy, you pop the clutch on my truck one more time and Mr.Coyote will be angry"  <--oh most definately!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 08:18:44 am
well don't we have very very particular usage!!!

By the way it is mid afternoon in Europe and I haven't received any photographic bribery, David.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 01, 2006, 08:33:44 am
On the way Louisev!    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 01, 2006, 08:46:59 am
Quote from: louisev on August 01, 2006, 07:51:48 am
I think just to rub it in, I'm going to count the number of ACTUAL "sweethearts" tendered in each volume, and we can vote on "too much" or "too little."

One of the fiercest criticisms I ever got for my stories was Ennis calling Ellery "boy"  because it seemed demeaning (I think that was the criticism.)  I went through the first two books (the only two at that time) and counted up how many times in two volumes each of them called the other "boy."    Ellery called Ennis "boy" 26 times and Ennis called Ellery "boy" 5 times.  So much for who is demeaning whom!

I thought the boy thing was part of the way they talk, since everybody uses it. Wes, for example, calls both Ennis and Ellery, boy. I think even Dupree uses it or is called boy as well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 01, 2006, 08:50:57 am
I have recently been re-reading the Saga from the beginning and have realised that my mental image of Ellery changed from that early encounter with Ennis. He came across then as well built and a bit mysterious and very cool. I could hear his deep voice and imagine his big hands matching that very sexy black outfit.

As we got to know the man behind the front I stopped hearing the deep voice. Somehow the "sweethearts" didn't go with that voice in the same way as "boy" or "lover" or "babe" does. Surprise, surprise, it turns out that underneath that macho image, Ellery is thinly built with a fragile back and quite emotional, volatile and sentimental. So he calls Ennis sweetheart, which Ennis seems to like. Ennis too, turns out to be a bit of a wuss underneath that balefule glare.  

I have had to recast my mental image of both to take all this in. Because I had no preconceived idea of Ellery it was easier to do with him. He evolved as we got to know him and he became more human rather just than a fantasy man. He is like a high spirited, nervy, thoroughbred horse. The new more overtly emotional Ennis has been more of a challenge to get used to but I think his emotions have been raw and much nearer the surface since Jack's death. He is now much more emotionally vulnerable than ever before and less emotionally resilient and stoic - which may be a good thing and a bad thing. He is, of course, a wild bronc in the bedroom - but elsewhere ?

Now for my favourite line which I paraphrase here from memory:

Ellery: Sometimes it seems you've got too many hormones going round in you and they all rush to yer cock.

Ennis: Yeah. That's how it feels.

Immortal lines Louise.




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 09:09:43 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 01, 2006, 08:50:57 am


Now for my favourite line which I paraphrase here from memory:

Ellery: Sometimes it seems you've got too many hormones going round in you and they all rush to yer cock.

Ennis: Yeah.that's how it feels.

Immortal lines Louise.



dies with laughter..  Oh yeah.  THAT one!  It is a very technical explanation
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 01, 2006, 09:19:19 am
Well, I'll jump in.  I have never liked  "sweetheart" applied to male or female.  My favorite term for both is "dearheart".  "Darling" sits well with me as does "dude" or "bud".  The others are just to sugary for me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 01, 2006, 09:24:10 am
Being raised in the South in the twenties and thirties, "boy" was the term used by whites to refer to blacks whaatever their age,  and certainly was not an endearment.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 09:27:29 am
Re: pet names...I think you get to a point you use a name and don't even realize it. For example, because of this discussion, this morning I noticed I was calling my husband "sweetie" and franklly, if you asked me yesterday, I might have said I never called him sweetie in my life! LOL My children I call "sweetheart" and "honey" all the time, that I know.

I also think people have a few of these endearments in their lexicon..."babe" at certain intimate moments, honey, sweetheart, and sweetie. No darlings, lover, baby, cowboy, snookums, lumpkin, or pookie for us.

A few weeks ago, I called a patient sweetheart. Now THAT was embarrassing!!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 09:40:57 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 09:27:29 am

A few weeks ago, I called a patient sweetheart. Now THAT was embarrassing!!



Was he about 6 foot 1, 190 pounds, short blond hair, brown eyes,a smattering of freckles over his nose?

Where the heck are you anyway?  Logan Airport waiting for your flight?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 09:43:16 am
Quote from: louisev on August 01, 2006, 09:40:57 am
Was he about 6 foot 1, 190 pounds, short blond hair, brown eyes,a smattering of freckles over his nose?

Where the heck are you anyway?  Logan Airport waiting for your flight?

Sure am, gate A17. I am also hanging out in chat, where are you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 09:45:20 am
Quote from: louisev on August 01, 2006, 09:40:57 am
Was he about 6 foot 1, 190 pounds, short blond hair, brown eyes,a smattering of freckles over his nose?


I wish. LOL. No eye candy here at gate A17, either. Sigh....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 01, 2006, 10:08:04 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on July 31, 2006, 02:48:45 pm
If I could find something that was remotely enjoyable to look at then fine....but snapshots of home-grown Rocky Horror Picture Show parties (which is all I kept coming up with...) believe me scudder, you don't want to see these people. LOL

Leslie

I'm thinking of the Torch Song Trilogy.  There are a lot of scenes in the dressing room with people in variuos stages of undress.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 10:09:26 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 09:43:16 am
Sure am, gate A17. I am also hanging out in chat, where are you?

I am desperately trying to make something that is now ONCE AGAIN BROKEN - work!!!! egad!  ok I am on my way over.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 01, 2006, 11:01:07 am
Quote from: RonitR on August 01, 2006, 02:47:32 am
That was just an AMAZING moment...

I don't know why, the first great moment that comes to mind, for me, is in the first book, when Ellery hurts his back falling down, Ennis has a melt-down about Jack, and Ellery asking Ennis if he really intends to go back to Riverton, because if he is "he might as well put the food down and start with the throwing - up..". Ellery's pain at that moment just broke my heart.

But I guess you meant Happy top-ten moments  ;)

There are so many, but how about when Ellery tells Ennis he thinks they are falling in love (awww... ), also, Junior catching them on the patio.

And, of course, any Ellery - on -top scene  is a top -ten moment in MY book  ;D

This may not be a romantic moment, but it's one of the best lines Louise has written, IMO:

Ellery commented that it seemed apt, since he had much to learn about how crazy men behaved, that he should study more films about psychos, but Ennis suspected the real reason was that Ellery wanted Ennis’s opinion on Tony Perkins. “He’s queer, ya know,” Ellery commented obliquely.

“How’d you know that? Jes intuition?”

“Nope... one a the beat officers was a body guard for em in Los Angeles when he was makin a film and he’d order up boys for rent when he was at the hotel, an some of em were real young. Now, if the only kinda queer ya ever see is that kind, rentin teenage boys for fun, course ya gonna get a bad opinion. But hetrosexual men do the same damn shit, with even younger girls, so queer men aren’t any more evil as a rule, that’s how I look at it.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 01, 2006, 11:29:05 am
Hello folks!  ;)

Leslie - have a safe trip!   :)

What are we discussing? Hottest E&E scenes?  Man..where do I begin?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 11:30:56 am
Top Ten Moments.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 01, 2006, 11:56:35 am
Quote from: louisev on August 01, 2006, 11:30:56 am
Top Ten Moments.

These are some of my best moments:

1. “You can do it hard, just... don’t do it dry,” Ellery said, his voice husky with lust, and stepped out of his pants, then backed up, turned, and knelt on the bed.

2. “Like bein teenagers,” Ellery said, watching him. “Get it on like mad an an hour later feel like doin it all again.”

Ennis nodded. “Yeah. Wonder why that is.”

“Well I can think a why, but ya might not like my theory.”

Ennis set down his pizza. “Shoot.”

Ellery plucked a pepperoni off the top of his piece and chewed on it thoughtfully. “We’re fallin in love.”

3. “You don’t… ya don’t have ta fuck me every day for me ta stay. Yer wearin yerself out. You got work ta do.”

Ellery didn’t answer. Ennis took a deep breath, let it out. He knew that there was only one thing to say, and that it must be said.

“I’ll love ya anyway.” His eyes seemed to sting and blur, and he felt the wide, slate grey gaze settle on him, a hand move up to his naked chest, stroking it, and he shivered deeply.

“Thank you, Ennis.”

Choking back a sob, Ennis leaned down, taking the hand that rested against his chest, caressing it between his fingers even as he continued to rub the hot, tense muscles of his back, and kissed him, eyes closed, tenderly, his lips soft against the open lips of his lover, parting softly to whisper against them… “I do…love you.” And he felt the surge of emotion in the body beneath him as the lips brushing his responded, perhaps more softly,

“And I love you, too, sweetheart.”

4. “I am gonna tell ya, that’s yer man. Because he was. An you wouldn’t be feelin guilty if you didn’t love em. I don’t remember anythin in the definition of love that said you was supposed ta be perfect an not be jealous or possessive or selfish or make mistakes. You told me you knew him twenty years. You think I believe in twenty years you two never went at it? How could ya not? How could ya live like that, an not go off on each other, not get pissed enough ta tear each other’s eyes out? How would that be possible?”

5. You know you were so hell bent on my not stickin my neck out lookin for this guy an puttin myself in danger, did it ever occur to you it went the other way too?”

Ennis dropped his eyes, looking at his hands. “Well yeah... but not till after.”

“Didn’t Edna tell ya ta stay in the house? We coulda got the guy Ennis. He was careless an he was comin after us, we coulda got em without you goin out an gettin in the line a fire.” His voice was tight, a voice Ennis had never heard before, and his eyes stung as Ellery let loose on him.

“I’m sorry, Ellery.”

“I can just see all this. A shoot out in a bar when I go ta try to arrest the guy. I’ve got a gun, a vest, a warrant, an you yellin at me because I coulda got killed. I listened ta you, Ennis. I heard ya when you said you couldn’t go through this because a losin Jack.”

“Ellery...”

“But I don’t think you were listenin.” He sat up, his eyes wide, tears wet on his face. “You coulda died today, Ennis. You probably woulda died today, but fate had other ideas. Now I got ta live with that. I love you, Ennis. An my heart aches because a this now.”

“Please, Ellery, I’m sorry...” Ennis said, kneeling on the bed, pulling him into his arms in a tight embrace. “It was... stupid.”

“It was stupid, sweetheart. I ... I can’t stand ta lose you either ya know.”

“I know. I just couldn’t stand the idea a that guy shootin at us.”

Ellery drew back. “Neither could I, but ya handle that a certain way Ennis!”

“I know... but, I saw red.”

“When you see red next time maybe ya can just stop..” Ellery’s voice broke into a sob.

6. “C’mere, sweetie,” he held out his arms, and Ennis rose, shuffling over to the sofa. Ellery opened his knees and reached up, pulling Ennis down into a kneeling position between his thighs, his hands sliding up to smooth back Ennis’s hair and then rest on his shoulders. “I love you, Ennis. I want ta kiss you an hold you an never ever let go.”

“That was a fuckin scary thing down there,” Ennis said, his voice rasping.

“I know. I hate it that you were in danger like that.”

“Both of us,” Ennis said, resting his cheek on Ellery’s shoulder. Ellery leaned back, and Ennis moved against him, bringing his feet down onto the floor and slipping his hands around Ellery’s back, clinching him into a close embrace. Ellery tugged on him and lay down on the sofa, Ennis moving on top of him, his mouth seeking Ellery’s mouth, closing on it in a passionate kiss.

“Oh sweetheart,” Ellery whispered against his mouth, his body now completely covered by Ennis’s, their thighs tangled together, Ennis’s arms around his back, holding him close.

“Mmmm...” Ennis replied, his tongue snaking out of his mouth and flicking between Ellery’s lips, passion sparked by insecurity and anxiety, and the muzzy stimulation of scotch and tobacco.

They kissed, the only sounds in the room the rustle of denim against Ellery’s sheer cotton dress uniform, his empty holster slipping off his shoulder as they moved together in a slow grind of rising passion, the wet sound of their mouths as they tasted each other, hungry for intimacy, and small moans mingling together as they aroused, gradually but steadily.

“Ya want ta go ta bed now?” Ellery eventually managed to gasp when they came up for air.

“Yeah.”

“Want ta sleep?”

“Nope.”


7. Ellery stood up, then stepped close, slipping his long fingers along Ennis’s jaw, tilting his face up, then leaned close, brushing his lips against Ennis’s mouth, kissing him softly. “It’s gonna be okay Ennis. I love you.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 12:25:04 pm
And who can forget the "coital embrace" from "A Second Chance", chapter 44:

“Turn ta me, kiss me darlin...” Ennis said, voice husky as he whispered into his hair, and Ellery turned his head, Ennis fastening his mouth once more on his full lips, tongue brushing his tongue, rolling his hips up and thrusting in, keeping his mouth firmly fastened on Ellery’s, his tongue inside it, a position only possible due to the narrow circumference of Ellery’s torso and Ennis’s long, flexible body.  He deepened the kiss, his hips now thrusting deeply and regularly, his arm holding his lover firmly against him in an intimate coital embrace.  They held it for long minutes, before the increasing tension inside Ellery’s bowels gripped Ennis’s shaft, signalling an ascent to orgasm, and he pulled his left arm back, pressing his hand down on the bed as he positioned himself for full, deep thrusts, his moans low pitched but rising in volume as his excitement overtook him, right hand clenching down on Ellery’s hip as he buried his cock and erupted, clenching his teeth on his shoulder and nipping hard with a savage growl of pleasure, the bite sending a second deep shudder through them both as Ellery’s sphincter spasmed hard from the bolt of erotic pain, and he cried out with sudden joyful release.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 12:33:51 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/85840.html  "Chapter 41:  Another Lost Weekend"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 01, 2006, 12:58:32 pm

I believe that it's possible, if every fan of the Laramie Saga wrote down their favorite moments, we would the entire Saga duplicated by the favorites. It seems that there is not a single wasted word.

Of course I do have my own favorites, and for me this is a repost:


from A Second Chance chapter 22

“I think of us as partners, Ennis. An partners is… partners. I ain’t got nobody but you, an I want ta share my life with you, an that means sharin what I got.”




from A Second Chance chapter 68

“You are one fiercely possessive man, Ennis. I think I like it.”

“Ya do?”

Ellery put the palm of his hand on Ennis’ sweaty chest. “I ain’t never felt like this about anyone, sweetheart. I want... I want us ta be together like this, like partners. Like... a real married couple.”

“Yeah, ya mentioned....” Ennis replied, the color on his face deepening.

“What a you think about that?”

“I think.... I think I want it too.”

“I love you, Ennis, I love ya like life itself.” Ellery’s grey eyes swam with tears. Ennis leaned in and pressed his lips against his.

“I love ya too darlin. Like life itself.”




from A Second Chance chapter 78

“He lost out when he left you all that long ago. Yer mine now.”

Ellery smiled. “I like bein yers, ya know that?”

“That makes two of us. C’mere.”





from A Second Chance chapter 79


“We need a drink.”

“An a smoke. You stay there.”

Ennis padded out to the front room, returning with the cigars and the bottle of Glenfiddich and a single glass.

“One glass?”

“We’re celebratin,” Ennis said.

“What are we celebratin?”

“You an me, boy. Ennis an Ellery.” He lighted the cigar, puffed on it, and leaned over, offering it to Ellery, who took it between his lips. Then he poured a shot of scotch and lifted it. “To us. You belongin ta me, an me belongin ta you.” He took a sip, and handed it to Ellery, who took a sip from it as he handed the cigar back.

“To me belongin ta you, an you belongin ta me,” he repeated, gulping down the fiery liquid, handing the cigar back to Ennis, who took a puff on it.



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 01, 2006, 01:45:05 pm
Fred,  you got to me with your quotes.  I am with you one hundred percent.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 02:38:51 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86225.html  "Chapter 42:  Trouble in High Places"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 01, 2006, 02:58:57 pm
oh and who could forget Ennis making his first pass?  Complete with patented Jack hand to cock move?

“Feels better.”   Ellery slid his hand up Ennis’s arm to the elbow and then looked at him once more.  “Thank you, Ennis.”

Ennis moved, then, the handful of inches between his face and Ellery’s, until he could feel the warmth of Ellery’s breath against his cheek, shifted slightly until their cheeks brushed, and his hand slid down the outside of Ellery’s shirt, seeking his hand, finding it half open against his knee, and grasped it, clamping his own hand hard and pulling it, as though testing the willingness of the man who owned it, to come to him, pulling it into the hard lump now straining against his fly.

“I do... want it,” Ennis said, his voice a harsh, barely heard whisper. 

And in answer, Ellery moved his lips against his cheek and toward his ear.  “All right.  Not here.  We’ll go ta my house.”  Ennis nodded, wordless now, the die cast, his willingness to fight against himself unwound by the whispered pact of their new intimacy.  Ellery brushed his knuckles meaningfully against Ennis’s trapped erection and then pulled back, untangling his hand from that hard grip, letting his lips brush once more against Ennis’s cheek before he spoke, somewhat more audibly.  “Let’s make sure we finish lookin here before we give up.  Then we got all night.  Got to put in a night’s work.  The big picture.”

“Right,” Ennis said aloud, his voice a trembling sigh, and he spread his hands out on his knees to try to catch his breath, not daring to look up now that he had spoken his desire to a man in the light of day.

Taking Chances, Chapter 22
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on August 01, 2006, 03:24:34 pm
Quote from: scudder on August 01, 2006, 01:45:05 pm
Fred,  you got to me with your quotes.  I am with you one hundred percent.

Fred has a way of doing that to me too, scudder.

Louise, that first pass in the rose hotel is a classic.

An other great one from Taking Chances, chapter 16:
'Ellery parked across from the bar and turned off the ignition, looking at Ennis carefully, quietly, as if sizing him up. Ennis was still gripping his hat, his silence loud, roaring in his own ears. Finally, as if tearing the words from somewhere deep in his guts he looked up at the man looking at him and said, in a low, tortured voice,

“What da you want from me?” And Ellery put his big, wide hand down over Ennis’s clutching hands, closing it slowly.

“Nothin you don’t want, Ennis. First – to get this shit with this slug Wilson straightened. And if there is anything more, if its friends or a drink in the bar or somethin else that is up to you. I ain’t no teenager, Ennis. I won’t put hands on ya. But you know where I stand, and if its what you want then its fine with me, whatever it is. No need ta be scared I’m gonna do nothin. I got a big mouth and maybe I am just a little to open flirtin an all that with somebody like you, but that’s just how I am with someone I feel good around. And that’s all it’ll be if that is all you want. But you don’t need to tear outta here because yer afraid I’m gonna put hands on ya because I won’t. Fair enough?”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 01, 2006, 03:45:40 pm

Yet another of my favorite moments from A Second Chance, Chapter 36:

(Ellery has just had the second nightmare about Beagle. Ennis wakes him up.)

He stirred, feeling the abrading touch of a large thumb against his cheek. “Darlin, roll over darlin, ya got ta get up an put on yer brace, wake up.” His eyes fluttered open and he blinked in the gloom. It was full dark, light slanting in from the hallway casting the naked man crouching over him in deep shadow.

“Ennis?”

“Yeah, ya passed out. I guess ya got off good. Come on darlin, can’t have ya sleepin like this or you’ll be hurtin tomorrow.”


I love this moment because Ennis is showing such loving care for Ellery, just when he needs it most. It exemplifies the reason I am as happy for Ellery to have Ennis as for Ennis to have Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 01, 2006, 04:50:37 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 01, 2006, 03:45:40 pm
Yet another of my favorite moments from A Second Chance, Chapter 36:

(Ellery has just had the second nightmare about Beagle. Ennis wakes him up.)

He stirred, feeling the abrading touch of a large thumb against his cheek. “Darlin, roll over darlin, ya got ta get up an put on yer brace, wake up.” His eyes fluttered open and he blinked in the gloom. It was full dark, light slanting in from the hallway casting the naked man crouching over him in deep shadow.

“Ennis?”

“Yeah, ya passed out. I guess ya got off good. Come on darlin, can’t have ya sleepin like this or you’ll be hurtin tomorrow.”


I love this moment because Ennis is showing such loving care for Ellery, just when he needs it most. It exemplifies the reason I am as happy for Ellery to have Ennis as for Ennis to have Ellery.


You've done it again, Fred.  I think I will just say right now,  whatever Pastor Fred says is what I say too!  Saves me the trouble of looking things up.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 01, 2006, 04:54:51 pm
Quote from: scudder on August 01, 2006, 04:50:37 pm
You've done it again, Fred.  I think I will just say right now,  whatever Pastor Fred says is what I say too!  Saves me the trouble of looking things up.

Thanks, Scudder!

You've just made my day, twice today.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 01, 2006, 07:06:18 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on August 01, 2006, 07:59:49 am
I see nothing wrong with E&E calling eachother "Boy".   

It just has to be used in the correct context.

"Boy go fetch me a beer"  <---Wrong!

"Boy C'mere and git on your knees"   <---Hell yes. 

"Boy, you pop the clutch on my truck one more time and Mr.Coyote will be angry"  <--oh most definately!


I agree with you David, hunderd percent!  ::)

I know you were more interested in hearing from other guys, but I just wanted to weigh in with my gal perspective on "pookie", "sweetheart", and the like.  I am not crazy about these overly sugary endearments.  I much prefer names like "boy", "coyboy", "Mr. Coyote" (yum), etc.  I think these are affectionate, without being sappy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 01, 2006, 07:09:30 pm
Yay!!  I'm not a tourist anymore.  I'm a Junior Ranch Hand!!  8)
Okay, I so need some excitement in my life!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 01, 2006, 07:23:40 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 09:27:29 am
Re: pet names...I think you get to a point you use a name and don't even realize it. For example, because of this discussion, this morning I noticed I was calling my husband "sweetie" and franklly, if you asked me yesterday, I might have said I never called him sweetie in my life! LOL My children I call "sweetheart" and "honey" all the time, that I know.

I also think people have a few of these endearments in their lexicon..."babe" at certain intimate moments, honey, sweetheart, and sweetie. No darlings, lover, baby, cowboy, snookums, lumpkin, or pookie for us.

A few weeks ago, I called a patient sweetheart. Now THAT was embarrassing!!

Leslie

Leslie - living in the south, people call me dear and sweetheart all the time - clerks at the grocery store, customer service people on the phone!  Even my clients.  a few older men have called me honey (which sounds icky, but they're usually pretty sweet).

Calling your patient sweetheart - not weird down here.  A lot of my granpa's nurses called him "hon."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 01, 2006, 07:24:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 01, 2006, 09:45:20 am
I wish. LOL. No eye candy here at gate A17, either. Sigh....

that's the worst, huh?  when there's no eye candy on a flight.
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 01, 2006, 07:27:20 pm
Regarding endearments: I called my son sweetheart when he was a toddler. What can I say? I'm a southerner, and the mountain West shares a lot of language characteristics with the South.

I had a wonderful male dog named Pookie. My daughter gave him the name.

I don't remember ever calling my son, "Boy," or anybody else, for that matter. I don't object to it as an endearment. I tend to agree with David about the times that it might be less than appropriate because it seems more demeaning than endearing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 01, 2006, 07:40:39 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 01, 2006, 02:38:51 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86225.html  "Chapter 42:  Trouble in High Places"


Spoiler:


alright, I'm glad Amos is getting arrested and all, but what the heck is up with Ellery's money???  I love how you throw us little teasers from the past.  Maybe that will a topic for book 5...?  Dangnation.  I have of course have the upmost faith that Ennis will get used to it, just like he's getting used to everything else.  kissing in front of Wes, who would've thunk?

now, really, you've got to tell us Edna and Wes's pet names.  We can just witness some private scene between the two of them... E and E don't have to find out.

Ellery and Wes out on a little mission together - that's fun!
=)
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 01, 2006, 07:45:56 pm
It's been so great reading everyone's moments!  Thanks for sharing you all.  I sorta realized I am a bit of an "image" person.  for whatever reason, passages that describe a scene stick with me a little better than actual dialogue.  (maybe it's easier on my memory.)  one of my more recent favorite moments, sorry i don't have an exact quote but it's the scene where they say what I have in my signature.  ellery is upset about one of the gazillion current problems, they're sitting in bed, and Ennis rests his hands on Ellery's shoulders and says what's below.  I just really like the image of them sitting together in bed like that.

Another favorite image - Ellery walking in the door, back from Austin, in his get up, and Ennis says, "What in the hell are you wearing?"  (or something close to that.)

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 01, 2006, 08:13:31 pm
nB, the exact quote is "What the fuck are you WEARIN'?"

I laughed out loud when I read that and had to go back a few times to read it again. It was great! You know, when Ellery wore that outfit again to go to the Red Stallion, there was no mention of Ennis' reaction to it, only Lauren's admiration of the blue boots. I was hoping to see another rise out of Ennis.

All these great scenes you guys are bringing up:  I love every one of them. As I read each one I say, "Yeah! That one too!" Saves me from research, although I did reread "Taking Chances" this past weekend. Does anyone have the link to the first chapters of "Looking for Answers" and "A Second Chance?" (I have the others.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 01, 2006, 08:28:01 pm

Our own illustrious author - moderators, Leslie and Louise have created a Laramie Saga thread on the Fan Fiction Forum right here at BetterMost.

I quote from that thread:

The second one is "Looking for Answers" and can be found here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27985.html (http://louisev.livejournal.com/27985.html)

And the third one (which is in progress) is called "A Second Chance" and can be found here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/50230.html (http://louisev.livejournal.com/50230.html)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 01, 2006, 08:45:20 pm
Thank you, Fred! I don't wander far from this thread on Bettermost; if I did, I'd never get anything done. You're a sweetie for doing it for me! (Is that endearment okay? ;)) Now I've got 'em all bookmarked!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 01, 2006, 09:36:57 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on August 01, 2006, 08:45:20 pm
Thank you, Fred! I don't wander far from this thread on Bettermost; if I did, I'd never get anything done. You're a sweetie for doing it for me! (Is that endearment okay? ;)) Now I've got 'em all bookmarked!

Aww, Betty, *mild southern boy blush showing on my face* you're more than welcome. And you may call me sweetie any time you want to.
                                                 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 02, 2006, 04:32:50 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 01, 2006, 07:40:39 pm

Spoiler:


alright, I'm glad Amos is getting arrested and all, but what the heck is up with Ellery's money???  I love how you throw us little teasers from the past.  Maybe that will a topic for book 5...?  Dangnation.  I have of course have the upmost faith that Ennis will get used to it, just like he's getting used to everything else.  kissing in front of Wes, who would've thunk?

now, really, you've got to tell us Edna and Wes's pet names.  We can just witness some private scene between the two of them... E and E don't have to find out.

Ellery and Wes out on a little mission together - that's fun!
=)
Kelly

SPOILER

LOL I think Ellery is going to ask Edna what's Wes's pet name. I don't think he'll let this one pass. As for the money, you're right, Ennis has been getting used to everything else, so maybe he doesn't have much problem with Ellery buying a new car or even a new house. However, I don't think he'll let Ellery give Alma jr. money. He's too proud for that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 04:52:26 am
Guys, you just have to be patient.  If I didn't throw up little plot bunnies to foreshadow future events, you wouldn't get any more sequels.  I remember Helen starting in on me about oh, chapter 30 of "Taking Chances" about Ennis bottoming.  And you know how long THAT took!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 02, 2006, 05:51:04 am
Greetings, everyone...

I am in London, safe and sound, eagerly awaiting the next chapter. Lots of Ellery and Ennis fantasizing helped the hours on the plane pass quickly (since sleep was next to impossible...)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on August 02, 2006, 06:14:30 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on August 01, 2006, 03:24:34 pm
Fred has a way of doing that to me too, scudder.

Louise, that first pass in the rose hotel is a classic.

An other great one from Taking Chances, chapter 16:
'Ellery parked across from the bar and turned off the ignition, looking at Ennis carefully, quietly, as if sizing him up. Ennis was still gripping his hat, his silence loud, roaring in his own ears. Finally, as if tearing the words from somewhere deep in his guts he looked up at the man looking at him and said, in a low, tortured voice,

“What da you want from me?” And Ellery put his big, wide hand down over Ennis’s clutching hands, closing it slowly.

“Nothin you don’t want, Ennis. First – to get this shit with this slug Wilson straightened. And if there is anything more, if its friends or a drink in the bar or somethin else that is up to you. I ain’t no teenager, Ennis. I won’t put hands on ya. But you know where I stand, and if its what you want then its fine with me, whatever it is. No need ta be scared I’m gonna do nothin. I got a big mouth and maybe I am just a little to open flirtin an all that with somebody like you, but that’s just how I am with someone I feel good around. And that’s all it’ll be if that is all you want. But you don’t need to tear outta here because yer afraid I’m gonna put hands on ya because I won’t. Fair enough?”


One of my all-time favs too !!

Ellery being so candid, saying exactly what he wants, not playing games, while being extremely respectful of Ennis and his sensitivities...

A combination of forthrightness and respect will get me every single time.

Well, that, and a sexy skinny guy with long black hair… ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on August 02, 2006, 07:29:44 am
Some house keeping:

Agree with Fred and his choices of favorite, most remembered moments and would add the entire scene where Ellery was freaking out over Beagle and Ennis just held him tight and even offering to bottom.  The sexual aspect isn’t important, what was important and memorable to me was the concept of the offer.

Agree with David about terms of endearment.  It depends on context and situation!

Attn Louise: Just finished your last chapter with Wes and Ellery in the car.  Bravo, so much said in so little time~!!!! Nice foreshadowing,  (tease).  I so much want to know more about these characters you have created.  Hell, I even want to go camping with them (and I HATE camping) nothing sexual,  I just want to get to know Ennis and Ellery and be friends.  You so satisfy yet entice my “ what happens next” questions.  The issue of Ellery’s money is so interesting.  How will Ennis react? How should Ellery introduce the issue?  Glad that Junior and Ennis’s other daughter issue raised again.  Great Job!

Leslie:  Hope your having a great time, wish I was there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 02, 2006, 08:28:54 am
Hi Leslie,

Hope its a bit cooler in London than when I was there last week.

PS For a taste sensation, try one of the  pizzas at Pizza Express.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 10:11:05 am
Quote from: gn411 on August 02, 2006, 07:29:44 am

Attn Louise: Just finished your last chapter with Wes and Ellery in the car.  Bravo, so much said in so little time~!!!! Nice foreshadowing,  (tease).  I so much want to know more about these characters you have created.  Hell, I even want to go camping with them (and I HATE camping) nothing sexual,  I just want to get to know Ennis and Ellery and be friends.  You so satisfy yet entice my “ what happens next” questions.  The issue of Ellery’s money is so interesting.  How will Ennis react? How should Ellery introduce the issue?  Glad that Junior and Ennis’s other daughter issue raised again.  Great Job!

Leslie:  Hope your having a great time, wish I was there!


People kept clamoring on and on about Ennis's daughters so I sort of felt backed into that one!  But right now there is too much happening with the resolution of the murder cases and the shooters on the loose for me to get into that right now.  Ever feel like you have too many balls in the air to juggle them all?  And the issue of Ellery being not just well off but quite QUITE well off  is something he prefers to ignore and does not want to spook Ennis with.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 10:12:50 am
Everyone should really be feeling sorry for me:  I spent the last two days... long, arduous ones!  testing and redesigning a very touchy module, and at last, AT LAST (long after I thought it would take a half an hour), about 20 hours into fixing it, it seems to be working.  However, there haven't been a lot of chapters forthcoming due to my brain getting drained.

I am looking forward to a slight improvement tomorrow, hoping that testing what I fixed holds on more rigorous test situations.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: coffeecat33 on August 02, 2006, 10:53:21 am
Hi Louise and everone, I was waiting to finish "Ennis & Ellery" but I'm on ch. 84 and I don't know when that'll happen so I'm jumping on board. I have a blog on Our Daily Thoughts, 'Going for Broke(back)' and posted this note because I like these lines:

“Oh stop the lyin to yerself Del Mar. You don’t wanna go. The sense of imminent doom swept over him as inexorably as it had the day of the snowstorm on Brokeback, when Jack struck their tent and he sat on a stump, looking up at him, disbelieving that their idyll had come to an end with one storm front.” – Taking Chances by louisev

“crying, wordless, the sound of his unexplainable grief eloquent enough to be comforted.” –ch. 58 by louisev

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on August 02, 2006, 11:09:16 am
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 10:12:50 am
Everyone should really be feeling sorry for me:  I spent the last two days... long, arduous ones!  testing and redesigning a very touchy module, and at last, AT LAST (long after I thought it would take a half an hour), about 20 hours into fixing it, it seems to be working.  However, there haven't been a lot of chapters forthcoming due to my brain getting drained.

I am looking forward to a slight improvement tomorrow, hoping that testing what I fixed holds on more rigorous test situations.

Louise,
aaah, don't you just love IT?? ;D
anyway, don't worry, I still got some rereading to do on the previous chapters.
just make sure to have your brain in working order again by the weekend!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on August 02, 2006, 11:09:42 am
Louise: understand about having all those balls in the air.  The phone call was natural and something a daughter would do.  You put alot of stuff out there for us to taste and enjoy later, family issues, money, and even Wes and Edna, and the guys getting away.  After all this shooting and murders and legal stuff, good family drama will be a relief! ha!  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 11:12:47 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on August 02, 2006, 11:09:16 am
Louise,
aaah, don't you just love IT?? ;D
anyway, don't worry, I still got some rereading to do on the previous chapters.
just make sure to have your brain in working order again by the weekend!



weekend?  weekend?  I'm going to London this weekend!  I have to go to bed early Friday so... no chapters Friday.  you guys are going to have to go back and reread stuff because I'm going to hang around sipping Pimm's and getting chunks of rice cakes all over the carpet in Leslie's room at the Waldorf Astoria. (or wherever it is we're staying.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 02, 2006, 11:17:49 am
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 11:12:47 am
weekend?  weekend?  I'm going to London this weekend!  I have to go to bed early Friday so... no chapters Friday.  you guys are going to have to go back and reread stuff because I'm going to hang around sipping Pimm's and getting chunks of rice cakes all over the carpet in Leslie's room at the Waldorf Astoria. (or wherever it is we're staying.)

Radisson Berkshire Edwardian hotel...it ain't the Waldorf but it does have air conditioning!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 12:01:47 pm
ah, oh... ok.

I am home now, snacking on yogurt and apples and in chat, and figuring out what other mean things I can do to the plot of the story as I head toward the ratiocinate conclusion of "Shelter From the Storm."



Edit:  Ohhhh I am so evil!  muahahaha you guys are going to like the next chapter.  Muahahahaha.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 02, 2006, 12:08:39 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 12:01:47 pm
ah, oh... ok.

I am home now, snacking on yogurt and apples and in chat, and figuring out what other mean things I can do to the plot of the story as I head toward the ratiocinate conclusion of "Shelter From the Storm."

Mean things? Oh no! Sweet things, please! We need lots of sweet things to get us though a difficult weekend, meaning a weekend with diminished numbers of e&e updates. I mean, you wouldn't want myriads of addicted fans going through withdrawal, would you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 12:09:17 pm
Good morning folks!
Alberta checking in late as usual!  ;)

Glad to see you are safely in London Leslie!

Louise, I am going slow on my reading so that I have new chapters for the weekend when you can't post new ones .. I am a few chapters behind now ..  ::)  I might just read 'em all today, we'll see if I can manage it .. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 12:12:54 pm
We are almost at 2500 posts!!!  :o

I have been doing some research and digging in the world of, ummm, underwear models ...  ;D
And I have concocted a few more E & E pix for our 2500 celebration!  :D

Woohoo!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 12:30:54 pm
muahahahaha muahahaha.

Chapter 43 will be ready shortly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 12:34:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 12:30:54 pm
muahahahaha muahahaha.

What the ...  :laugh:
Louise, you are loving that laugh way too much!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 12:42:54 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86415.html  "Chapter 43:  Your Friendly Neighborhood Chief Deputy"

dedicated to everybody who left LJ comments about "I don't trust that Brad Sevigny."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 12:44:47 pm
16000 views!!!


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 :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 02, 2006, 02:25:27 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 12:42:54 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86415.html  "Chapter 43:  Your Friendly Neighborhood Chief Deputy"

dedicated to everybody who left LJ comments about "I don't trust that Brad Sevigny."

Spoiler...


hehe..

I see Leslie made another honorable appearance again.    And Brad is indeed annoying.  He is not gaining any favor from Ellery by keeping this sneaking around and drooling over Ellery’s legs. Does this mean the shouting contest is going to start soon?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 02:45:44 pm
shooting contest?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 02:51:44 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/a3e23a03.gif)

2500 Posts!!

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 Yeehaw!  :D :D
SO much E & E love!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on August 02, 2006, 02:56:02 pm
Quote from: JennyC on August 02, 2006, 02:25:27 pm
Spoiler...

hehe..

I see Leslie made another honorable appearance again.

Yes, leslie, thank you for calming ennis down in such a sweet voice. And what's with this Brad Sevigny? Being arrested twice for coming to E&E's house? Makes me think of Bill, he couldn't take no for an answer either.
Poor ennis, he really didn't need that, on top of missing out on his time alone with Ellery.
Ah well, there's always laundry to take his mind of things.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 02, 2006, 02:56:40 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 02:45:44 pm
shooting contest?

Oops, :P

shouting contest
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on August 02, 2006, 03:01:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 11:12:47 am
weekend?  weekend?  I'm going to London this weekend!  I have to go to bed early Friday so... no chapters Friday.  you guys are going to have to go back and reread stuff because I'm going to hang around sipping Pimm's and getting chunks of rice cakes all over the carpet in Leslie's room at the Waldorf Astoria. (or wherever it is we're staying.)

errr, i thought you might need a brain in working order for a city trip to London, you know, for sipping pimm's and eating rice cakes and all....

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 03:04:45 pm
Folks, picture ahead!

Rated "R" for Riled ...  :P

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 03:08:20 pm
I thought it would be a nice way to start the second half of our journey to 5000 posts!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/AAngl.gif)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/ea6bf5a2.jpg)


Louise ~  Cheers for hours of fascinating E & E adventures!  :-*


This pic shouldn't get deleted by Mods .. fingers crossed!   :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 03:09:42 pm
I never in my life saw strategically arranged soapsuds, Lucise!  HOLY COW!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 03:16:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 03:09:42 pm
I never in my life saw strategically arranged soapsuds, Lucise!  HOLY COW!

LOL..I dint arrange the soapsuds, I figure the boys took care of that.   ;D

I'll try to go back to doing more clothed E & E pix in the very very near future!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 03:17:01 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86694.html  "Chapter 44:  Conspiracy"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 03:37:53 pm
Woohoo!  More updates ..

Ok..back to work for me!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 02, 2006, 03:40:05 pm
 :o :o :o   OMG---talk about soapsuds----Holy Moley!!!


Thanks for the next chapter Louise--I am glad you got it up today!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 02, 2006, 03:48:50 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on August 02, 2006, 03:40:05 pm


Thanks for the next chapter Louise--   I am glad you got it up today!  :)

An appropriate choice of words for the boys!    :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 03:59:48 pm
the ensuing getting fancy in uniform chapter will be along in a little while, to conclude our update evening.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 02, 2006, 04:04:04 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 02, 2006, 03:16:15 pm
I'll try to go back to doing more clothed E & E pix in the very very near future!  :P

Ummm.....no hurry, really, we don't mind.....we wouldn't want to rush you!  You just stick with the sudsy pix as long as you want!!!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 02, 2006, 04:22:10 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 02, 2006, 03:08:20 pm
I thought it would be a nice way to start the second half of our journey to 5000 posts!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/AAngl.gif)


 :o   :-X   :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 02, 2006, 04:55:31 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86830.html  "Chapter 45:  Roleplaying"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 02, 2006, 05:05:56 pm
Quote from: laurel on August 02, 2006, 04:04:04 pm
Ummm.....no hurry, really, we don't mind.....we wouldn't want to rush you!  You just stick with the sudsy pix as long as you want!!!  ::)

LOL ..Good to know Laurel, because I got one or 2 other, well, 'not-too-clad' E & E pix to post later.. :P


Louise - Looking forward to chapter 45!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 02, 2006, 06:02:17 pm
 :o WHOOOWHEEE! I can't wait to hear Ennis explain this (ch. 45) to Ellery!

I'm having a darn-near perfect ending to my day: Lucise's pictures, Chapter 45, and a bowl of Haagen Daaz CPB Ellery ice cream. I 'm in heaven.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 02, 2006, 06:52:21 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on August 02, 2006, 06:02:17 pm
:o WHOOOWHEEE! I can't wait to hear Ennis explain this (ch. 45) to Ellery!

I'm having a darn-near perfect ending to my day: Lucise's pictures, Chapter 45, and a bowl of Haagen Daaz CPB Ellery ice cream. I 'm in heaven.

Thanks for phrasing the issue of chapter 45 in this way. Remember when Ellery was feeling vulnerable because of Beagle? He told Ennis, "I need my man inside me." Now Ennis knows exactly what Ellery meant, exactly what he was feeling.

The expert among us on vulnerable!Ennis is Natali, opinionista.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 02, 2006, 07:09:25 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 02, 2006, 06:52:21 pm
Thanks for phrasing the issue of chapter 45 in this way. Remember when Ellery was feeling vulnerable because of Beagle? He told Ennis, "I need my man inside me." Now Ennis knows exactly what Ellery meant, exactly what he was feeling.

The expert among us on vulnerable!Ennis is Natali, opinionista.

SPOILERS

Thanks Fred! But it was a wild guess. Well, this isn't Ennis normal reaction so I guessed something else was going on. He got very nervous after Sevigny's visit. He had a bad premonition, which got me thinking too, but I ain't gonna say anything!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 02, 2006, 07:14:57 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 02, 2006, 07:09:25 pm
SPOILERS

Thanks Fred! But it was a wild guess. Well, this isn't Ennis normal reaction so I guessed something else was going on. He got very nervous after Sevigny's visit. He had a bad premonition, which got me thinking too, but I ain't gonna say anything!  ;D

I was thinking as annoying as Sevigny can be, we probably need to thank him for asking the question that got Ennis riled.  :) In the earlier chapter, Ennis wanted to talk to Ellery about something, I hope he gets the opportunity to talk now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 02, 2006, 09:15:39 pm
Quote from: coffeecat33 on August 02, 2006, 10:53:21 am
Hi Louise and everone, I was waiting to finish "Ennis & Ellery" but I'm on ch. 84 and I don't know when that'll happen so I'm jumping on board. I have a blog on Our Daily Thoughts, 'Going for Broke(back)' and posted this note because I like these lines:

“Oh stop the lyin to yerself Del Mar. You don’t wanna go. The sense of imminent doom swept over him as inexorably as it had the day of the snowstorm on Brokeback, when Jack struck their tent and he sat on a stump, looking up at him, disbelieving that their idyll had come to an end with one storm front.” – Taking Chances by louisev

“crying, wordless, the sound of his unexplainable grief eloquent enough to be comforted.” –ch. 58 by louisev



Those were great lines cc... welcome aboard!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 02, 2006, 11:07:53 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 12:42:54 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86415.html  "Chapter 43:  Your Friendly Neighborhood Chief Deputy"

dedicated to everybody who left LJ comments about "I don't trust that Brad Sevigny."

Uh oh Louise... I am only a few paragraphs in, and I am pretty damn worried..... :-\ :( :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 02, 2006, 11:10:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 12:42:54 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86415.html  "Chapter 43:  Your Friendly Neighborhood Chief Deputy"

dedicated to everybody who left LJ comments about "I don't trust that Brad Sevigny."

LESLIE!  Fancy meeting you in Laramie!
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 02, 2006, 11:12:46 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 12:42:54 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86415.html  "Chapter 43:  Your Friendly Neighborhood Chief Deputy"

dedicated to everybody who left LJ comments about "I don't trust that Brad Sevigny."

"He ain't never gonna know.  Not from me."

Good for you Ennis!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 02, 2006, 11:14:12 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on August 02, 2006, 02:56:02 pm
Ah well, there's always laundry to take his mind of things.


Ain't that the truth...
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 02, 2006, 11:27:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 02, 2006, 04:55:31 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/86830.html  "Chapter 45:  Roleplaying"

SPOILER




"completely out cold?"

seriously, I didn't know that could really happen. 
**slightly covers face in embarrassment**
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 02, 2006, 11:30:39 pm
Goodnight everyone!

Love,
your favorite [lonely] late night poster,
Kelly
 ;D
 
PS-Glad to know you're safely on the ground Leslie.  You'll have to keep us posted on your activities.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 03, 2006, 12:03:42 am
Quote from: JennyC on August 02, 2006, 07:14:57 pm
I was thinking as annoying as Sevigny can be, we probably need to thank him for asking the question that got Ennis riled.  :) In the earlier chapter, Ennis wanted to talk to Ellery about something, I hope he gets the opportunity to talk now.

My thoughts exactly Jenny!
That is about the only good thing Brad has done so far..wooowee!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 03, 2006, 12:50:13 am
Here are a few more suggestions for the gallery:


Amos-in-drag .. ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/81c55cc9.jpg)


Tatiana ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/36d44f31.gif)


Officers Jewell and Simpson?

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/34244898.jpg)


Any more suggestions for the gallery, folks?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 03:44:37 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 02, 2006, 11:27:49 pm
SPOILER




"completely out cold?"

seriously, I didn't know that could really happen. 
**slightly covers face in embarrassment**

Well yes... it can.  Usually after a very intense orgasm.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 03:46:53 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 03, 2006, 12:50:13 am
Here are a few more suggestions for the gallery:


Amos-in-drag .. ;D

Tatiana ..


Officers Jewell and Simpson?




Any more suggestions for the gallery, folks?  ;)

I would know those Tim Curry legs anywhere!  Excellent work Lucise!

I thought the tattooes on the officers were a great touch!  And that isn't a bad Tatiana either!

I better grind out a few more characters, huh?  Keep you folks busy?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 03:54:00 am
A Glimpse Ahead

The mysterious Brad Sevigny continues to baffle us with his unclear motives - something's wrong there...

One of the snipers faces death from Ellery's bullet and survives, now desperate enough to avoid execution that he is naming names...

Amos Marigold is in Holding, awaiting arraignment along with the Lang Brothers on a court calendar that gets longer and longer as the D.A. is once again stuck without staff...

Justin Worrell, now back in jail, awaiting his own postponed trial, may be sent back to Austin to face charges in two murders there as things back up in Albany County...

... stay tuned for the real truth about Brad Sevigny
... the conspiracy that led to the shootings of Allen, Dupree and the attempted murders of Ennis and Ellery
... the history of Amos's revenge
... and Wes Brown's bedroom name!

For all of you who are worried about Leslie and I being swallowed up in the London metropolis, we will be right nearby, hopefully I will get a couple of chapters done over the weekend while I am away, and keep things rolling here and in chat when we aren't blabbing and sipping Pimms.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 03, 2006, 06:42:21 am
After 12 hours without Internet (folks, I was having withdrawal symptoms) they have sent me to the Business Center while they were trying to figure out what is wrong in the room. Honest to God, I did better while I was on the road. Meanwhile....


The good news is, I might have found the cure for Brokeback Fever. It is called "Billy Elliott--The Musical." Oh my God, this has to be the BEST performance I have ever seen in my life. It was 3+ hours long and I could have watched for another 3+ hours...jet lag and all. Incredible, absolutely incredible. The music, the dancing, the choreography, the sets--the entire things from beginning to end was riveting.

I was reminded of the first time I sat down to see BBM on Dec 27, not thinking as the movie started that it would change my life. I have to say, at the end of this show last night. When I saw in Seat P14 at 7:20 pm, I thought, "Okay, another bit of entertainiment." How wrong I was. It was absolutely incredible...

More later. I see I have a few chapters to catch up on.

Hugs to all,
Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 07:40:05 am
oh no, don't tell me, WIFI failure????!!!!  how can we go on?  They better fix it!  Because unlike you, I bleed from the mouth and nose without internet!

Sorry I missed you in the chat earlier, I was busy (gasp) WORKING! for a living!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 03, 2006, 08:06:32 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 02, 2006, 11:10:16 pm
LESLIE!  Fancy meeting you in Laramie!
 ;D

I know. I was reading this in the business center and almost fell off my chair (really, a high stool, like in a bar, so it is easy to fall off of) when I read that.

Worse...this business center has three computers, lined up in a row, monitors mounted to the wall, computers tucked beneath. When I came in, there was were two women and computers #1 and #3, the middle one was empty. I am using my laptop so I plugged it in, but because of the set up here, I had to angle it so the woman at computer #3, if she was looking, would be looking right at my computer. Anyway, I start going through the E&E thread, and suddenly...there's amos in his undies! And I think a crotch shot of Ellery (I really breezed by that...need to go back and look). All the while, I am screaming at the front desk saying, "I need wifi! I have to work!!!" If only they knew....


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 03, 2006, 10:56:25 am
Couldn't help but think of E&E when I saw this pic!

Sorry, but I had to "edit" it.  Damn censors!   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 12:04:06 pm
David, you have a way of keeping the readers thinking about the important elements of our plot!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 03, 2006, 12:25:15 pm
Since David has already turned up the temperature in here ..  :P, I can just add this pic here!
This is probably my fave Ellery pic right now .. 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/e29af7b4.jpg)


Stay tuned for an Ennis pic!!  I could post it now but I won't!  ;D :P


I hope to heaven I don't get sued one of these days by one of these hot underwear dudes ..LOL..


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 01:20:47 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/87190.html  "Chapter 46:  The Unanswered Question"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 03, 2006, 02:06:50 pm
Hmm,  we still don't know why Ennis is having those nightmares.....  or was that just from his being kidnapped?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 02:13:52 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on August 03, 2006, 02:06:50 pm
Hmm,  we still don't know why Ennis is having those nightmares.....  or was that just from his being kidnapped?

Well, he did have an incredibly hard week.  This entire book has occurred between Monday morning when the patio door was smashed in, until right now, Saturday afternoon.  If you can believe it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 03, 2006, 02:21:22 pm
Finally!! Internet in my room....life is slowly getting back to normal....

Another chapter, yipee!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 03, 2006, 02:27:59 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 03, 2006, 02:21:22 pm
Finally!! Internet in my room....life is slowly getting back to normal....

Another chapter, yipee!

Leslie

Greetings Leslie!  :)

Internet in your room, hunh? 
Now you can browse through all the pix: AMos-in-drag and PG-rated ones with unabashed ease!  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 03, 2006, 02:40:30 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 03, 2006, 02:27:59 pm
Greetings Leslie!  :)

Internet in your room, hunh? 
Now you can browse through all the pix: AMos-in-drag and PG-rated ones with unabashed ease!  ;)



Exactly....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 02:49:43 pm

Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/87517.html  "Chapter 47:  Old Secrets"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 03, 2006, 03:00:05 pm
Dammit Louisev!  You made me cry again! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 03, 2006, 03:03:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 03, 2006, 02:49:43 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/87517.html  "Chapter 47:  Old Secrets"

Oh, Louise! I thought I was going to get through a day without tears running down my cheeks regarding Ennis and Ellery, but you blew that theory out of the water. These last two chapters really brought us to a whole new level of understanding in the relationship. There has been so much emotional healing. I only have two words in response, "Thank you!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 03, 2006, 03:04:22 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on August 03, 2006, 03:00:05 pm
Dammit Louisev!  You made me cry again! 

Well, David, it looks like you and I were saying about the same thing at about the same time!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 03:16:02 pm
there is a little sniffling in the chat room too, I'll have you know!

I dont know if I can write any more tonight, but I will post again if I get more inspiration.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 03, 2006, 03:32:46 pm
Ennis, I'm crying with ya.  I miss Jack so much....well, you know.   :-\

(http://static.flickr.com/1/183594257_bdbae6fa78_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 03, 2006, 03:53:50 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on August 03, 2006, 03:32:46 pm
Ennis, I'm crying with ya.  I miss Jack so much....well, you know.   :-\


Same here, crying for Jack, Ennis, and Ellery too  :'(.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 04:02:12 pm
gee people, are you going to twist my arm until I write another getting fancy chapter or can I get to bed early tonight?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 03, 2006, 04:31:43 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 03, 2006, 04:02:12 pm
gee people, are you going to twist my arm until I write another getting fancy chapter

Nope.   I actually liked the way the chapter ended with them asleep like that.   Very touching indeed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 03, 2006, 05:15:41 pm
An appropriate picture to close that last chapter with.

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/vkm91941/Lines%20Visualized/affection105.jpg)

Photo courtesy of Rolands "Affection" thread.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 03, 2006, 06:05:11 pm
Friendly reminder:

Tomorrow I have to devote myself to getting an update module designed, leave work early, go to bed in time to get up at 3 a.m. to get to the airport, and meet Leslie in London, so I do not anticipate an E & E update before Saturday NIGHT.  (maybe Saturday afternoon if I am bored at the airport and find an outlet.)

Please do not panic, David has lots of hot snuggling pics, and Lucise has more photoshop magic to keep everyone entertained, and I expect I will write at least one update this weekend!

Cheers everyone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 03, 2006, 06:18:18 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 03, 2006, 06:05:11 pm
Friendly reminder:

Tomorrow I have to devote myself to getting an update module designed, leave work early, go to bed in time to get up at 3 a.m. to get to the airport, and meet Leslie in London, so I do not anticipate an E & E update before Saturday NIGHT.  (maybe Saturday afternoon if I am bored at the airport and find an outlet.)

Please do not panic, David has lots of hot snuggling pics, and Lucise has more photoshop magic to keep everyone entertained, and I expect I will write at least one update this weekend!

Cheers everyone!

You go and have fun Louise! Say hi to Prince Charles and his Camila if you happen to run into them!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 03, 2006, 06:26:48 pm
No worries Louise!
We'll find a way to keep busy 'round here!  ;)
Have fun and Safe travels to the Queen!


David, love that pic!

Okay, I know that there have been some tears from the last chapter..(I haven't read it yet..)
But how about I cheer y'all up with some Beefy!Ennis in the shower? 
Afterall, what are friends for?   :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/8173ee3f.jpg)

 :-*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 03, 2006, 06:34:30 pm
Wow!   Now that's an ass made for riding!      Horses!     ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 03, 2006, 07:23:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 03, 2006, 01:20:47 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/87190.html  "Chapter 46:  The Unanswered Question"

“Yeah,” Ennis said, gulping on a suddenly dry throat. “But is it true?”


Oh, vulnerable Ennis, I love you so.
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 03, 2006, 07:30:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 03, 2006, 02:49:43 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/87517.html  "Chapter 47:  Old Secrets"

Ennis cracked a smile. “You always know what ta say, boy, I swear...

Louise, you know there has been a lot of talk about the word boy, but I have never felt it was used inappropriately between E and E.  I cracked a smile too, when Ennis called Ellery 'boy' above.
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 03, 2006, 07:38:52 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 03, 2006, 02:49:43 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/87517.html  "Chapter 47:  Old Secrets"

oh Louise, that chapter was a long time coming, huh?

seems like another milestone for them.  tis good, very very good.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: coffeecat33 on August 03, 2006, 09:17:36 pm
I just read ch 1-20 of "Looking for Answers" in one sitting. I'm not hooked, I can quit anytime I want to. I just don't want to! On to the next part -  Great stuff, Louise.
cc33
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 03, 2006, 10:11:58 pm
Louise, just wanted to wish you safe travels.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 04, 2006, 01:06:06 am
CH. 47 SPOILER






After revealing the story of Earl and Rich, just as he had to Jack at the campfire so long ago, look at what happened to Ennis:

"Ellery raised his hand and brushed back the short curls around his ear, stroking his cheek, saying nothing,"

Perfect bookends to all the events between that led up to this moment of revelation for Ennis, this time with Ellery. Beautiful, Louise. And what a different outcome! Ennis knows this time not to let the fear stop him from living out this new love that he has found. Nothing and everything has changed; outside, the world still causes pain, but inside, a new man has found a reason to fight the fear.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 03:13:27 am
That last chapter had me in tears Louise and I kept re-running the "Love you, love you so much..." through my head all night as I was sleeping.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 04, 2006, 05:29:39 am
Here are the famous cutoffs for adding to our gallery.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/BBM/shorts.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 05:42:05 am
are we seeing all the way to France there?

By the way everyone, I am typity typing chapter 48 while I wait for my colleague to discuss my next design task.  Stay tuned for an unexpected update!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 06:03:00 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/87738.html  "Chapter 48:  A Wild Card"

*now I dont feel quite so guilty!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 04, 2006, 06:23:33 am
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 06:03:00 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/87738.html  "Chapter 48:  A Wild Card"

*now I dont feel quite so guilty!*

THANKS!!!!  :D  Have a safe flight to London Louise, and lots of fun  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on August 04, 2006, 06:43:48 am

Nothing like having lunch in front of the computer reading another fine chapter! thanks  :)
Have a great weekend Louise

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 04, 2006, 07:10:30 am
Lunch?   <sips morning Coffee>   Mmmm !  Nothing like some a good chapter for Breakfast!

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 04, 2006, 07:23:53 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 03:13:27 am
That last chapter had me in tears Louise and I kept re-running the "Love you, love you so much..." through my head all night as I was sleeping.

L

Me too. Had a good cry last night before going to bed. It was a beautiful chapter Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 07:24:37 am
Hey, David!  My attention and will are flagging... i need some more of those aforementioned bribes.  You know, to fit into the whole "law enforcement" theme.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 07:25:24 am
Quote from: opinionista on August 04, 2006, 07:23:53 am
Me too. Had a good cry last night before going to bed. It was a beautiful chapter Louise.

Well soon you are going to see the final solution to the mystery about what the hell this Brad Sevigny is really up to.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 04, 2006, 07:56:52 am
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 05:42:05 am
are we seeing all the way to France there?


No Louise - only as far as the Pyrenees!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 08:03:00 am
hehehehehe, oh is THAT what those are!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 08:08:57 am
Changing My Mind:

I have to leave to go to the airport at the rude and unbelievable hour of 2:30 a.m., and have made the bizarre decision not to go to bed.  That means I expect to be up typity type typing and visiting in the chat room so i don't fall asleep and miss my departure tonight.  So I will be laving work in just about 3 hours, (11 a.m. Eastern time), stopping at the post office to post a package, and then....

join me if you wish, in a sort of "Louise Leaves Town" marathon, where I might be able to blow through a few more chapters before I take off for the wilds of Stansted Airport.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 04, 2006, 08:12:52 am
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 07:24:37 am
Hey, David!  My attention and will are flagging... i need some more of those aforementioned bribes.  You know, to fit into the whole "law enforcement" theme.

Well, seeing that you are in London with Leslie, I thought this bloke would be more appropriate!    There are 3 pics in the set.  But only one I can publish!   LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 04, 2006, 08:16:18 am
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 08:08:57 am
Changing My Mind:

I have to leave to go to the airport at the rude and unbelievable hour of 2:30 a.m., and have made the bizarre decision not to go to bed.  That means I expect to be up typity type typing and visiting in the chat room so i don't fall asleep and miss my departure tonight.  So I will be laving work in just about 3 hours, (11 a.m. Eastern time), stopping at the post office to post a package, and then....

join me if you wish, in a sort of "Louise Leaves Town" marathon, where I might be able to blow through a few more chapters before I take off for the wilds of Stansted Airport.

So when are you going to sleep? Don't do that on our account we can hold till you get back. Can't we people?

Anyway, if you still don't want to sleep, I can be at the chat in support, cause I got to do some typity, typity type of another kind (you know, my boyfriend the dissertation), so we can typity, typity, type together unless I get a call from a cousin of mine who's in Madrid. She wants to take me out for dinner, but hasn't decided yet if tonight or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 04, 2006, 08:26:37 am
 ;D    Whats the matter Louisev?    Pics two and three leave you speachless?   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 08:29:27 am
where are Pics 2 and 3???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 04, 2006, 08:53:41 am
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 08:29:27 am
where are Pics 2 and 3???

"You've got Male Mail"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on August 04, 2006, 08:56:00 am

We have casting for all characters, we have props for all major scenes and now we need MUSIC.  What songs or music should be included in the soundtrack of Ennis and Ellery, and for all f4 of Louise's books?

My suggestion; "Best of my Love" by the Eagles and a contemporary song "Your Body is a Wonderland" by John Meyer.  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 04, 2006, 09:16:48 am
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 08:03:00 am
hehehehehe, oh is THAT what those are!

Tsk tsk Louise. Pyrenees = Pair of knees.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 09:24:56 am
Okay, you have all been so good  ... (and I got my update module completed), so you get... ANOTHER CHAPTER.

Not bad for a day with no updates, huh?

http://louisev.livejournal.com/88007.html  "Chapter 49:  Motive"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 04, 2006, 09:29:13 am
What's Ellery doing waving maracas about in a shirt covered in pineapples?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/01658520534600.jpg)


Ellery's alter ego Hugh Jackson at the opening night of the Boy from OZ playing at the Sydney Entertainment Centre.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 04, 2006, 09:30:02 am
More music: "No More Nights Alone" by Mark Weigle:

Ellery:

I knew the moment I looked in your eyes
I'd seen them in an old mirror of mine
Read the message from the bottle of your mind

I knew from the first touch of your hand
What no one before me could understand
How long you'd been achin' for the touch of a man

And when you came into my arms
It felt like comin' home
And you could feel the pain melting away
From all those nights alone
No more, no more nights alone

Ennis:

I knew the moment I looked into your eyes
I'd seen them shining in dreams of mine
You'd finally come true into my life

I knew from the first touch of your hand
You were the one who could understand
How long I'd been aching for the touch of a man
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 09:40:52 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 04, 2006, 09:16:48 am
Tsk tsk Louise. Pyrenees = Pair of knees.


Oh!  Hahahahaha.  Yeah I guess those were sort of a bit too round for the Pyrenees.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 04, 2006, 10:48:22 am
“Pete, if ya got ta know.”

“Pete? Pete with no spleen Pete? Is he doin okay?”

Pete with no spleen Pete. Poor Pete. Is there a picture on the gallery of No Spleen Pete? I tried to find it but there are over 2000 post in this thread.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 12:03:55 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 04, 2006, 10:48:22 am
“Pete, if ya got ta know.”

“Pete? Pete with no spleen Pete? Is he doin okay?”

Pete with no spleen Pete. Poor Pete. Is there a picture on the gallery of No Spleen Pete? I tried to find it but there are over 2000 post in this thread.

2590 posts, to be exact. We are bearing down on 2600....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 12:10:43 pm
I am here online and hanging out in chat, at least for a lilttle while. What was this craziness of Louise staying up all night? Is she around?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 04, 2006, 12:17:10 pm
Howdy folks!!

I am ecstatic to see 2 new chapters!!  :D
Louise  -THANK YOU!!!

Umm..David ~ can I be privy to pics 2 and 3 too?  ;D

Opinionista ~ I'll do a gallery update tonight or tomorrow..
This thread grows exponentially I swear.  I think the last Galleria update is on page 138!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 12:33:07 pm
Lucise--

I have been pondering the idea to start an "Ennis and Ellery: The Gallery Thread" over in the fanfic forum. That way, new readers who join the group could see all the characters, wardrobe, props, recipes, etc. in one place and not have to wade through 2600 posts to get them. We could still introduce new people, items, etc. here but archive them over on the Gallery thread. What do others think?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 04, 2006, 12:39:37 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 12:33:07 pm
Lucise--

I have been pondering the idea to start an "Ennis and Ellery: The Gallery Thread" over in the fanfic forum. That way, new readers who join the group could see all the characters, wardrobe, props, recipes, etc. in one place and not have to wade through 2600 posts to get them. We could still introduce new people, items, etc. here but archive them over on the Gallery thread. What do others think?

Leslie
That sounds like a great idea to me.     :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 04, 2006, 12:47:20 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 12:33:07 pm
Lucise--

I have been pondering the idea to start an "Ennis and Ellery: The Gallery Thread" over in the fanfic forum. That way, new readers who join the group could see all the characters, wardrobe, props, recipes, etc. in one place and not have to wade through 2600 posts to get them. We could still introduce new people, items, etc. here but archive them over on the Gallery thread. What do others think?

Leslie

Sounds like a great idea to me too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 04, 2006, 01:01:09 pm
Leslie, that sounds like a good idea to me.  ;)

If we are cool with it, the next update will be in a new thread over at the fanfic forum.
I almost wish we had a mini-board where we could separate the different galleries: cast, props, recipes etc into different threads..because all those pictures on 1 page alone is bound to take forever to load if you dont use high speed internet.  :) 

Ah well, one thread dedicated to our gallery works for now!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 01:23:07 pm
errrr... maybe split them up into things like

Main Cast
Supporting Players
Guest Stars
Props
Vehicles
Recipes
 
?  It is in its own thread so why not?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 04, 2006, 01:30:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 01:23:07 pm
errrr... maybe split them up into things like

Main Cast
Supporting Players
Guest Stars
Props
Vehicles
Recipes
 
?  It is in its own thread so why not?

Louise, we currently already separate the pix into different sub galleries.
If we have the same thread, each sub-gallery will be a different post, sure, but all the images are still on the same page when you open the thread..right?  I had a few problems with loading all the images the last time I did all the gallery updates.. That is what I mean.. :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 01:33:34 pm
oooh.  OH I see.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 04, 2006, 01:36:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 01:33:34 pm
oooh.  OH I see.

We could also flood the Fanfic forum with threads for each of the galleries ..  :laugh:
But I think 1 thread is best!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 01:46:49 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 04, 2006, 01:30:20 pm
Louise, we currently already separate the pix into different sub galleries.
If we have the same thread, each sub-gallery will be a different post, sure, but all the images are still on the same page when you open the thread..right?  I had a few problems with loading all the images the last time I did all the gallery updates.. That is what I mean.. :)



I think a thread is best but once it gets going, if we have different ideas, you know we will let you know!!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 04, 2006, 03:01:09 pm
Ok, this is under the assumption that it is 1985 right?

Then Wes as Sheriff and Gentleman Rancher would have a fairly new Oldsmobile Delta 88 sedan.

(http://static.flickr.com/88/206661123_fb2bbf4797.jpg?v=0)

And the story says that Edna has an aging Pontiac.  This is a 1973 Bonneville.

(http://static.flickr.com/73/206661122_c9719d9bb5.jpg?v=0)

And both in rural settings !    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 06:10:44 pm
wow wow wow, I cant believe it.  Here I go, compulsively heading off into the night to an airport I have never seen, lug all my crap a mile into the terminal from the cheap parking (in the moderately heavy rain) and I get here, pay for internet on the T online wireless....

and nobody has even left a message, and nobody's in chat!!!  Did Nurse Leslie put you all to beddie bye or something?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 06:18:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 06:10:44 pm
wow wow wow, I cant believe it.  Here I go, compulsively heading off into the night to an airport I have never seen, lug all my crap a mile into the terminal from the cheap parking (in the moderately heavy rain) and I get here, pay for internet on the T online wireless....

and nobody has even left a message, and nobody's in chat!!!  Did Nurse Leslie put you all to beddie bye or something?

I am here, I am here...just watching Splash!!! LOL relax it is all going to be great...

Send me a pm if you need to, I am here...
L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 04, 2006, 06:18:49 pm

I gotta work a lil more, and then I am off home!
Yay for Friday!  :)

Safe trip Louise!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 04, 2006, 08:03:14 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 04, 2006, 12:33:07 pm
Lucise--

I have been pondering the idea to start an "Ennis and Ellery: The Gallery Thread" over in the fanfic forum. That way, new readers who join the group could see all the characters, wardrobe, props, recipes, etc. in one place and not have to wade through 2600 posts to get them. We could still introduce new people, items, etc. here but archive them over on the Gallery thread. What do others think?

Leslie

Great idea Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 08:56:03 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/88072.html  "Chapter 50:  The Big Picture"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 04, 2006, 09:00:27 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 08:56:03 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/88072.html  "Chapter 50:  The Big Picture"

 :o
 One more chapter for the night .. YAY!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 04, 2006, 10:00:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 04, 2006, 08:56:03 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/88072.html  "Chapter 50:  The Big Picture"

SPOILER



Nice, [mis]leading title Louise.
 ;)
But in a real good way.

I thought we might learn more about the case, but we learned more about Ellery.  Which was even better.
 :)

Turn on the TV an lie around the house? I’ll call for some pizzas an we can sit there like bums, sip on Coca Cola an nibble on crust an watch westerns or something.”
Please, please, please, can I lie around with them??
 ;)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 04, 2006, 11:28:43 pm
Okay, here I am at the gate, still waiting for my flight, but it really ought to be leaving in an hour.  Really.

Funny, Kelly, when I read that quote you put there...

I don't remember writing it!  Now I will have to read what I wrote... I have a feeling this is going to be the Lost Chapter from the Lost Night in Hahn.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 05, 2006, 01:46:46 am
Oh Louise,

That's so funny, how can you not remember writing that?  It's practically the last few lines of the chapter.
LOL

I was at a 'club' tonight... I was on the lookout for E and E.  Didn't spot them, sadly.  There were lots of beefy guys in bouncer/security shirts.  I couldn't help but think, "Is this what it is like at the Red Stallion?  Surely not."
 ;)
Kelly
PS- are you there yet?  are you there yet? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 05, 2006, 02:32:20 am
I am here and if everything went according to schdule, Louise should be riding on train/subway somewhere here in London right about now....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 05, 2006, 03:35:54 am
I am rereading the saga from the beginning.  Does everyone remember how naive Ennis was at the beginning of Taking Chances?!!  I love this quote from chapter 20:

“Uh, Ellery, what is with you two? You go at it like cats and dogs.”
“Bill an me got history, Ennis.”
“Oh. You grow up together or somethin?”

LMAO!  How do you spell CLUELESS?!! :D



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 05, 2006, 04:08:58 am
Update...Louise is here, safe and sound. More details later...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 05, 2006, 04:17:39 am
...and man do my feet hurt.  Sweaty, grumpy, and struggling to express myself verbally in my mother tongue but otherwise, peachy!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 05, 2006, 04:24:24 am
Quote from: louisev on August 05, 2006, 04:17:39 am
...and man do my feet hurt.  Sweaty, grumpy, and struggling to express myself verbally in my mother tongue but otherwise, peachy!




I'm glad to know you made it safe and sound to London. Have fun girls!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 05, 2006, 06:15:43 am
I just registered at LJ so I can post comments there for you and Leslie and you know it is me. I found out that i have a copycat!  >:(  Somebody has been using MY nickname! I know is not registered under copyright laws, but still  >:( .

That opinionista has a journal there, but it isn't me. Damn copycat  >:( So I'm opinionista_bmf (bmf stands for bettermost forums).


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 05, 2006, 09:58:07 am
Louise took a rest and recovered from her night in the airport. After that, we walked around the corner and had a nice lunch at a middle eastern restaurant. Louise had lentil kofte and chicken. I had lamb on a stick and a tomato, cucumber, onion and feta salad. It was very good except the service was slow at the end.

Now we are back in the room and Louise is promising me she will haul out her computer and begin typity type typing, altho I haven't seen evidence of it yet. I'll start bugging her...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 05, 2006, 10:47:14 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 05, 2006, 09:58:07 am
Louise took a rest and recovered from her night in the airport. After that, we walked around the corner and had a nice lunch at a middle eastern restaurant. Louise had lentil kofte and chicken. I had lamb on a stick and a tomato, cucumber, onion and feta salad. It was very good except the service was slow at the end.

Now we are back in the room and Louise is promising me she will haul out her computer and begin typity type typing, altho I haven't seen evidence of it yet. I'll start bugging her...

Leslie

There is no rest for the wicked is there Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 05, 2006, 10:53:00 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 05, 2006, 09:58:07 am
Louise took a rest and recovered from her night in the airport. After that, we walked around the corner and had a nice lunch at a middle eastern restaurant. Louise had lentil kofte and chicken. I had lamb on a stick and a tomato, cucumber, onion and feta salad. It was very good except the service was slow at the end.

Now we are back in the room and Louise is promising me she will haul out her computer and begin typity type typing, altho I haven't seen evidence of it yet. I'll start bugging her...

Leslie

How about you Leslie? Are you writing any update on your story?  ;D  ;)  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 05, 2006, 02:43:05 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/88524.html  "Doing Nothing"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 05, 2006, 02:44:25 pm

Okay folks, despite massive distractions, I managed to get a chapter written!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 05, 2006, 02:57:11 pm
Hope you are still having a good time!!  Loved the last chapter, just exactly what I believe Ennis would really say, you did a good job with that conversation.
thanks. :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 05, 2006, 03:38:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 05, 2006, 02:44:25 pm
Okay folks, despite massive distractions, I managed to get a chapter written!

And what a great chapter it was!
It finally feels like they are getting to experience a little bit of "shelter"...
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: coffeecat33 on August 05, 2006, 04:01:58 pm
just a quick note to say that I am on ch. 45: Rookies in "Looking for Answers." I am really hooked on this series, Louise! - coffeecat33
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ballymay on August 05, 2006, 04:45:27 pm
I was just over to Heath Ledger Central www.heathledgercentral.net and Theresa, who is the owner and personal friend of Heath's has posted that Hugh Jackman has brought the rights to re-produce the musical Carousel. This is the best part..he wants Heath in the movie.

Our two boys up on the big screen, singin' and dancing. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 05, 2006, 04:46:06 pm
Isn't it great?  The chapters just fly by!    The next thing you know is it's midnight and you are still reading while your eyelids start getting droopy!    LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 05, 2006, 04:47:02 pm
Quote from: ballymay on August 05, 2006, 04:45:27 pm
I was just over to Heath Ledger Central www.heathledgercentral.net and Theresa, who is the owner and personal friend of Heath's has posted that Hugh Jackman has brought the rights to re-produce the musical Carousel. This is the best part..he wants Heath in the movie.

Our two boys up on the big screen, singin' and dancing. ;D

Quick Louisev!    Print off a copy of the book to send each of them!     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 05, 2006, 10:08:20 pm
Dear Ennis and Ellery,

I too have had a relaxing afternoon.  So, I didn't watch a western and I didn't eat pizza, but I was with you in spirit if not actuality.

Ennis, I am glad you didn't freak out when Ellery suggested the pleasure ranch, and I am glad you convinced him to go riding with you.  I look forward to the re-opening of the bar when you are both ready and refreshed.

Ellery, I am glad you had such an honest discussion with Ennis about all those things you were thinking about.  The streets of Laramie are safer with you around.  I have faith you will always do what needs to be done, whether on the job or off the job.  Of course, when it comes to personal trials and tribulations, it's always okay to lean a little harder on Ennis.

Love you boys,
Kelly

 ;)

(it was a little quiet around here today, so I thought I'd write the boys a little letter...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 05, 2006, 11:25:43 pm
Our Gallery is now located here:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.msg70558#msg70558


Do check it out folks!  Well, I am off to add the pictures now..:)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 05, 2006, 11:56:38 pm
Folks!

I have started a new Gallery thread over at the FANFIC board..
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.msg70558#msg70558

I am in the process of adding the pix now, check it out when you got a chance!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 06, 2006, 04:00:10 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 05, 2006, 11:56:38 pm
Folks!

I have started a new Gallery thread over at the FANFIC board..
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.msg70558#msg70558

I am in the process of adding the pix now, check it out when you got a chance!   :)

Lucise - you forgot to include the cutoffs - see page 172.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 06, 2006, 04:49:50 am
Okay folks,

I am here in London, trying to pump Louise for interesting plot developments and what comes next and the question came up, "Are Jess and Ben brothers?" Ben, of course, is Ben Tooey, who is due to get married in a few weeks. Jess is a young man who works at the ranch and gives Ennis a hand. I have one view on their familial connection, Louise has another. Obviously, the only way to resolve this if for input from all of you guys. So, vote in the poll....action in future chapters depends on this!

Thanks...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 06, 2006, 09:09:41 am
Folks, I am glad you have held up so well under my inexcusable absence.

As a reward for your great patience and perserverance, as well as to celebrate the opening of the Gallery Thread, I have written TWO NEW CHAPTERS.

And I would like to make special mention that after a moment of severe panic this morning when I lost my wallet, Leslie saved the day by crawling under the bed and finding it.  What all this means to you is that I am still scheduled to go home on time tomorrow, and will be arriving mid afternoon, in time to get back to the usual hectic update schedule.

Thank you all for reading!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/88751.html  "Chapter 52:  A Horse Man"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/89008.html  "Chapter 53:  Old Folks at Home"

Enjoy !

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 06, 2006, 10:03:08 am
Quote from: louisev on August 06, 2006, 09:09:41 am
Folks, I am glad you have held up so well under my inexcusable absence.

As a reward for your great patience and perserverance, as well as to celebrate the opening of the Gallery Thread, I have written TWO NEW CHAPTERS.

And I would like to make special mention that after a moment of severe panic this morning when I lost my wallet, Leslie saved the day by crawling under the bed and finding it.  What all this means to you is that I am still scheduled to go home on time tomorrow, and will be arriving mid afternoon, in time to get back to the usual hectic update schedule.

Thank you all for reading!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/88751.html  "Chapter 52:  A Horse Man"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/89008.html  "Chapter 53:  Old Folks at Home"

Enjoy !



Thanks to you for writing, Louise!

Your devoted readers are very glad you have had this little break from the routine. We all need that from time to time, including Ennis and Ellery. These two chapters were a delightful respite from some hectic times, and now we have a massage to look forward to.

Enjoy the rest of your time and London, and have a safe, enjoyable trip home!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 06, 2006, 11:14:56 am
No Jess and Ben can't be brothers---sorry, but if they were Joe would be talking about both of them not just Ben--so Jess is unrelated, that is my view on it.
Joe mentions Ben by name all the time, and wants everyone to know about the wedding and how well he is doing---he has NEVER mentioned anyone named Jess-or ever even said my boyS-so that about tells me Jess belongs to someone else.

Plus they don't share any physical characteristics with each other, and Wes treats them some different too,in the responsibility dept., they could possibly be cousins or something but not brothers.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 06, 2006, 01:49:28 pm
I'm curious why the possibility of them being brothers even came up? 

Seems to me we would know that by now - Joe saying something to Ennis about Jess working on the ranch, etc.  Unless of course, it's a big secret that they're brothers, but don't we have enough secrets in Laramie already?

 ;)
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: alexisg on August 06, 2006, 02:06:38 pm
Hi everyone!

Long time lurker, but I felt I should pop my head up and say 'hi.'

I'm wannabebrit over at LJ, and I've been following Louise's wonderful story for a while.  Most of the time, I am providing comments over there, but you folks seem like a hell of a nice group, so I thought I'd just introduce myself.

I'll just jump in and say that I don't think Jess and Ben aren't brothers - Joe seems real proud of Ben, and if Jess was his son, he'd mention him too.

Looking forward to chatting with you all!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 06, 2006, 03:54:02 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on August 06, 2006, 04:00:10 am
Lucise - you forgot to include the cutoffs - see page 172.

Cheers MM!
We already had cutoffs in the gallery, but I updated it with that pic!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 06, 2006, 03:57:24 pm
To The L-Ladies ~ Leslie & Louise:

Sounds like you've been having quite the adventurous time together !   
Cant wait to see some pix!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 06, 2006, 04:53:51 pm
Quote from: alexisg on August 06, 2006, 02:06:38 pm

I'll just jump in and say that I don't think Jess and Ben aren't brothers - Joe seems real proud of Ben, and if Jess was his son, he'd mention him too.

Looking forward to chatting with you all!  :D

Good point Alexis, and welcome. I'm also looking forward to chatting with you!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 06, 2006, 05:50:52 pm
I figured since we haven't been online all that much we should give a bit of a London update.

Leslie and I did the kind of thing that might be expected of devoted BBM fan fiction writers:  we spent hours talking about fan fiction stories, future plots, wrote updates (I wrote some to the latest E & E story and Leslie wrote a chapter for "Through the Veil of Time" and read livejournal comments on our stories, which thrilled us both.  We also spent a little time workshopping on writing and sharing some editorial opinions of each others' and other authors' stories.

We popped into chat a couple of times, but frankly, with one computer between us it has been too much of a challenge to try to stay connected through the weekend.  So I hope you haven't missed us too much!!!

We are packing up and getting ready for an early departure tomorrow, Leslie will be home quite a bit later than I will, since my flight is a mere 1 hour once I get to the airport.

We had a very nice time, solidifed our friendship and our mutual interests in both E & E and BBM fan fiction, and expect to plan to get together again when our paths cross once more.

Stay tuned for us both to get back online at our regular stations in the next day or so.

Unfortunately, Lucise, even though I have my digital camera with me, both of us are immensely shy and didn't take any photos for photoshopping opportunities.  You may have to resort to substituting underwear models for us !
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 06, 2006, 06:19:37 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 06, 2006, 05:50:52 pm
Unfortunately, Lucise, even though I have my digital camera with me, both of us are immensely shy and didn't take any photos for photoshopping opportunities.  You may have to resort to substituting underwear models for us !

 :'(

S'alright ..s'alright, underwear models will do for now .. *sniffff*
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 06, 2006, 06:50:51 pm
Thanks for the update Louise!  Sounds like you guys had a really good time.
 ;D
Safe travels home,
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 06, 2006, 07:21:37 pm
Sounds like all y'all had a real good time.   

Have a safe journey home!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 06, 2006, 10:51:22 pm
Something not yet in the E & E home!  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/1990144f.jpg)


And Ennis needn't freak out that people will get ideas when they see it, because cousins take pictures together all the time! 
Who cares that the picture is in a red, heart-shaped frame? 
;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 07, 2006, 03:58:20 am
Welcome, Alexis!  I'm new here, too, but I'm having a lot of fun so far.   You're right, this is a nice group.  It's great that we have a place to get together with people who share our interest in Louise's story.  I've enjoyed your comments on LJ.  I am fancycoyote over there.

Laurel
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 07, 2006, 05:02:49 am
Hi folks... here is Louise, logging in from Stansted airport north of London.

I am waiting to check in for my flight, and I expect to be home in about 6 hours from now, about 4 p.m. Central European time. 

Yes it was a sort of whacky little Slash weekend in the chic part of London.  The food was wonderful, the pace was restful, and we didn't think of too much other than our stories and of course, all of you.

I wanted to make sure Fabienne (belbbmfan) received a special thank you, since Leslie was kind enough to share the chocolates you sent, and we enjoyed them immensely.

I would like to tell you we saw a lot of London but we only saw the inside of a couple of moderately chic restaurants between working on chapters and messages!

I expect to write an update somewhere between here and home and will put it up when I arrive home or shortly thereafter.

See you all 'for real' soon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 07, 2006, 12:14:28 pm
*she's baaack*. I just arrived home on a delayed flight from London complicated by heavy construction in the Hunsrück leading home from the airport.  I think I set a land speed record for standing and changing departure gates as well, and my feet are just wailing.  In addition, I think I may have gotten a cold, being unused to air conditioning - sniffles, stuffed up nose and ears, and a sore throat.

So I am settling in, having some cold watermelon chunks, and trying to figure out where I left off with chapter 53! 

We won't see Leslie for quite a bit longer because she is going back over the entire Atlantic.

*hi everybody!!!!!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ballymay on August 07, 2006, 12:32:34 pm
Hi Louise ;D

Good to hear you and Leslie had a good time in London.

Hope those sniffles disappear soon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 07, 2006, 12:57:49 pm
Hiya Louise!

Welcome back!! I'm back too from Greece! But leaving for the States in about a weeks time  ;D

I came back from Greece with a stuffed nose and a sore throat too, also not being used to air conditioning  ::) It quickly passed though, hope you are able to shake it soon too  :)

I'm so happy to hear you gals had a great little Slash weekend, sounds like you had a real nice time!

I was able to keep up with every chapter while I was in Greece, thank God!  ::) ;D

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 07, 2006, 01:02:04 pm
Quote from: alexisg on August 06, 2006, 02:06:38 pm
Hi everyone!

Long time lurker, but I felt I should pop my head up and say 'hi.'

I'm wannabebrit over at LJ, and I've been following Louise's wonderful story for a while.  Most of the time, I am providing comments over there, but you folks seem like a hell of a nice group, so I thought I'd just introduce myself.

I'll just jump in and say that I don't think Jess and Ben aren't brothers - Joe seems real proud of Ben, and if Jess was his son, he'd mention him too.

Looking forward to chatting with you all!  :D
Hi alexisg!

Welcome!

 :)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 07, 2006, 03:47:14 pm
Greetings from Newark Liberty International Airport,

Here I am, many hours after I said goodbye to Louise in the back of a taxi outside of Euston station in London. The train trip to Birmingham and then the flight here to Newark were both uneventful, but long. Next stop, Boston, Massachusetts and then home.

Louise and I had a fun little slash convention, hanging out, talking, writing, munching on snacks and rousing ourselves once in a while to go out to eat a real meal. While many would have been bored to tears, I had fun.

Back to the real world tomorrow...sigh....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 07, 2006, 03:54:47 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 07, 2006, 03:47:14 pm
Greetings from Newark Liberty International Airport,

Here I am, many hours after I said goodbye to Louise in the back of a taxi outside of Euston station in London. The train trip to Birmingham and then the flight here to Newark were both uneventful, but long. Next stop, Boston, Massachusetts and then home.

Louise and I had a fun little slash convention, hanging out, talking, writing, munching on snacks and rousing ourselves once in a while to go out to eat a real meal. While many would have been bored to tears, I had fun.

Back to the real world tomorrow...sigh....

L
Hi Leslie!

Welcome back!

I'm SO happy the two of you had such a GREAT time!  :)

And I'm SO looking forward to meeting Louise too in Holland in October! Yeeee - haaaaaw!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 07, 2006, 04:12:33 pm
Louise's Reliquary

Thanks to everyone who contributed to Louise's Reliquary. It ended up with an interesting assortment of items, many of which got Louise to laugh out loud. At first she was sort of like, "Huh, what's this?" but as it sunk in, I think she appreciated the joke--and will probably laugh more as she looks at it again back home in Germany.

Thanks again everyone.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 07, 2006, 06:34:12 pm
Welcome back home Louise!!

Leslie ~  Have a safe remainder trip home!!

 :-*

Oh and Welcome to Alexis and all other de-lurkers!!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 07, 2006, 07:31:18 pm
Welcome home, Louise!

While we all wait patiently for the next update:

A lot of newcomers have been making themselves known lately. Here's a list of some of our posters' locations; if you want to be added to it, just post here and I'll put you on the list. Updates periodically!

Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Magicmountain:  Sydney, Australia (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista: Madrid, Spain (CET?=EDT+6)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 07, 2006, 08:07:03 pm
you know, when you start listing people who have been adding to the discussion here, in list form, it becomes more and more noticeable that there are a lot of people reading!  *thanks everybody!*

I just had a deep and restful nap and have just taken some medicine left over from my last bout of bronchitis and keeping my fingers crossed that I haven't come down with THAT again.

Hi Leslie *wave!*  Yes, I didn't mention how pleased and amazed I was to get all the reliquary items that so many of you sent that were waiting for me at the hotel, and yes indeed, I did laugh out loud!  But my first priority was getting online and giving an update so that you wouldn't go without!

I may not be able to go into work in six hours, but we'll see how that goes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 07, 2006, 08:13:45 pm
Hi Louise,

*Leslie waves back*

Home safe and sound after a very LONG day and flight. Everything went smoothly but now I am pooped. Oh well...back to real life sometime tomorrow...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 07, 2006, 09:22:19 pm
There.  I'm not so sick I can't manage to get a chapter written.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/89208.html  "Chapter 54:  Rich Folks"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 07, 2006, 09:51:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 07, 2006, 09:22:19 pm
There.  I'm not so sick I can't manage to get a chapter written.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/89208.html  "Chapter 54:  Rich Folks"

The drought has ended!  Hallelujah!

(The rain dance I did walking to my car tonight must have worked!)
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 07, 2006, 10:16:28 pm

First and foremost, we're all so glad you are both home safe and sound, Leslie and Louise. Secondly, Louise, please take good care of your health and well being most of all. Don't go to work if you don't feel up to it. Only write updates if they help you feel better.

All that being said, I just have to make a comment on the early chapters of Taking Chances. I know I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes, but I have just noticed something delightful in my latest reading: The way Ellery refers to the car he and Ennis are using reflects the development of their growing relationship. The first time Ennis enters the El Camino, he says, "My coach awaits." When Ennis enters the unmarked, he says, "Your coach awaits." As they prepare to return the unmarked, he says, "Our coach awaits." Mine, yours, and then ours! What fun!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 07, 2006, 10:20:33 pm
Err.. Fred, I dont think you are ever slow on the uptake, me sometimes, but .. anyway ..  ;D
Great observation on the coach stuff!
I can't wait to go back to the very beginning and start reading all over again..  I plan to do that when I print all the chapters out on paper.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 07, 2006, 10:38:13 pm
Louise and Leslie,

I'm happy to hear that you had a nice time in London, and that you are both now home safe and sound.  Louise, I hope that the sore throat, sniffles, etc. doesn't develop into a real cold.  Take care of yourself!  We can be patient waiting for the next chapter if need be.  Don't push yourself too hard!

Thank you both for posting chapters from London!  That was an unexpected treat!

 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 07, 2006, 10:41:48 pm
Neatfreak,

It's great that you are keeping a list of where we live.  We are certainly an international group!  Please add me to the New England contingent.  I live in Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT).

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 07, 2006, 10:42:06 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 07, 2006, 10:20:33 pm
Err.. Fred, I dont think you are ever slow on the uptake, me sometimes, but .. anyway ..  ;D
Great observation on the coach stuff!
I can't wait to go back to the very beginning and start reading all over again..  I plan to do that when I print all the chapters out on paper.  :)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Lucise, but I'm kind of famously slow on the uptake - just ask my children. :)

I guess my worst example of that in the Laramie Saga was the Mayor of Laramie: Louise named him Fred Isling, and I only noticed that on the second or third reading. heheh
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 08, 2006, 03:28:00 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 07, 2006, 09:51:45 pm
The drought has ended!  Hallelujah!

(The rain dance I did walking to my car tonight must have worked!)
 ;D
hehehehe   ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 08, 2006, 06:04:16 am
Quote from: laurel on August 07, 2006, 10:41:48 pm
Neatfreak,

It's great that you are keeping a list of where we live.  We are certainly an international group!  Please add me to the New England contingent.  I live in Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT).



<waves>   Howdy Neighbor!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 08, 2006, 06:13:28 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 07, 2006, 09:51:45 pm
The drought has ended!  Hallelujah!

(The rain dance I did walking to my car tonight must have worked!)
 ;D

Rain dance?! Is that what woke me up and got me out of bed at 1:30 in the morning?  Who would a thought?

Well, I had little hope of getting out of bed this morning, but the medicine has done a lot for the pain in my throat and has kept me from coughing my head off my neck.  But it sure sounds like bronchitis, which means I may be sitting at home right where I am till I stop feeling hot and cold all over.  Thanks everyone for the comments on LJ!  I imagine sometime today I#ll get to the fancy part!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 08, 2006, 06:42:28 am
Quote from: louisev on August 08, 2006, 06:13:28 am
Rain dance?! Is that what woke me up and got me out of bed at 1:30 in the morning?  Who would a thought?

Well, I had little hope of getting out of bed this morning, but the medicine has done a lot for the pain in my throat and has kept me from coughing my head off my neck.  But it sure sounds like bronchitis, which means I may be sitting at home right where I am till I stop feeling hot and cold all over.  Thanks everyone for the comments on LJ!  I imagine sometime today I#ll get to the fancy part!

Bronchitis? Shit Louise, take care of yourself, and get better soon!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 08, 2006, 08:47:52 am
Update to "Shelter from the Storm" fresh from my sickbed.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/89457.html  "A Hard Training"

Teaser:

Ennis was still hesitating. Finger fucking Ellery was a way of delaying his own decision whether he should actually fuck him, considering his back. But at the same time, Ellery was a big boy and he had promised he would be honest about his condition – and Ennis had to start trusting that. Besides, he could go as slow as he wanted to – he was in control of the sex. He drove his fingers deep into the twitching heat of Ellery’s ass, then pulled out, sliding his left hand up Ellery’s left thigh and edging closer, walking on his knees, until their thighs touched. he lifted his cock, rubbing it against Ellery’s hole, looking down at him. “This is gonna be real slow, boy, cause I ain’t gonna hurt you.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 08, 2006, 09:38:22 am
While Louise gave us a teaser, this is my favorite paragraph:

“Thank you,” Ennis leaned over, brushing his thumb across Ellery’s damp cheek, pushing loose strands of hair back from Ellery’s forehead and tucking them behind his ear. “It’s cause I love you.” Then Ennis leaned down and brushed his lips softly across Ellery’s lips, kissing him as gently as he had penetrated him earlier... giving him a subtle message.

I just love the imagery of their faces so close together, light hair, dark hair, Ennis's fingers in Ellery's hair, pushing it back....sigh.....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 08, 2006, 11:18:00 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 08, 2006, 09:38:22 am
While Louise gave us a teaser, this is my favorite paragraph:

“Thank you,” Ennis leaned over, brushing his thumb across Ellery’s damp cheek, pushing loose strands of hair back from Ellery’s forehead and tucking them behind his ear. “It’s cause I love you.” Then Ennis leaned down and brushed his lips softly across Ellery’s lips, kissing him as gently as he had penetrated him earlier... giving him a subtle message.

I just love the imagery of their faces so close together, light hair, dark hair, Ennis's fingers in Ellery's hair, pushing it back....sigh.....

L

I'm with you 100 percent, Leslie. This has to be one of my favorite paragraphs in the whole saga. With this deep expression of love, we catch a glimpse of the shelter from the storm that Ennis and Ellery have in each other. At last we can see that volume 4 was most aptly named.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 08, 2006, 11:44:53 am
Morning folks!  :)

Louise, don't be getting no bronchitis now ..  :-\
Do take it easy and get plenty of rest!  :-*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on August 08, 2006, 12:45:25 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 07, 2006, 10:20:33 pm
I can't wait to go back to the very beginning and start reading all over again..  I plan to do that when I print all the chapters out on paper.  :)

I did that, so i can take E&E with me on holiday tomorrow. 830 pages and i haven't even added the last chapter!

Quote from: pastorfred on August 08, 2006, 11:18:00 am
I'm with you 100 percent, Leslie. This has to be one of my favorite paragraphs in the whole saga. With this deep expression of love, we catch a glimpse of the shelter from the storm that Ennis and Ellery have in each other. At last we can see that volume 4 was most aptly named.

and i'm with you 100 percent on that Fred. Now there's a surprise!

Louise, i hope you'll feel better soon. Any time you need a refill on those chocolats, just let me know ok?  ;)
I'll wave to you tomorrow as we pass Saarbrücken on our way to Italy  :)

Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 08, 2006, 01:06:40 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on August 08, 2006, 12:45:25 pm
I did that, so i can take E&E with me on holiday tomorrow. 830 pages and i haven't even added the last chapter!


Wow .. is it really 830 pages?  :D 
I need to invest in a good printer for this ..  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 08, 2006, 01:11:26 pm
For anyone who missed it .. Our Gallery is located at:
Feel free to leave comments, feedback or better yet, suggest new characters!  :D


http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.msg70558#msg70558


 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 08, 2006, 01:43:23 pm
Louise,

Sorry to hear that you are not feeling well.  Take care of yourself and rest.  Ennis and Ellery can wait, so can we.  :)

Hope you get well soon!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 08, 2006, 01:47:39 pm
I have an LiveJournal question:   :)

Can members send each other messages using LJ?  I mean other than leaving comments on their entries, is there another way to 'PM' people on your friend's list or any member for that matter?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 08, 2006, 02:00:00 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 08, 2006, 01:47:39 pm
I have an LiveJournal question:   :)

Can members send each other messages using LJ?  I mean other than leaving comments on their entries, is there another way to 'PM' people on your friend's list or any member for that matter?

Cheers!

I don't believe so, but I am not a LJ expert so if I am wrong, I am sure someone will correct me.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 08, 2006, 02:08:48 pm
I receive notifications of my LJ  comments, both anonymous and registered, so that configuration functions as a "pm" type of notification, because I get them as people leave them there.  Is that what you are looking for?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 08, 2006, 02:16:10 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 08, 2006, 02:08:48 pm
I receive notifications of my LJ  comments, both anonymous and registered, so that configuration functions as a "pm" type of notification, because I get them as people leave them there.  Is that what you are looking for?

I also get notified via email when there are responses to my comments, but I was thinking of a messaging type of thing amongst users.  I guess not ..  :)  Thanks for the info L & L.


Louise, so how are ya feeling?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 08, 2006, 02:19:39 pm
Eh... well.  I guess I could be doing worse.  The drops I am taking are keeping me from coughing, which is good, and the nose drops are helping but not as much as I wish they would.  I expected I might feel a lot worse than I do so that is an improvement.

I was having a lot of pain in my teeth and called my dentist, who got back to me to let me know that there are no live teeth under that bridge I am having the pain under, so it must be a gum irritation. I never knew a gum irritation could be so -- irritating!  But as soon as I feel better I am going to go up and see him and have him poke and prod my gums.  He told me a situation like that is really quite minor to take care of.  At least I'm not facing another root canal.  Nurse Leslie tells me that sinus pressure can cause toothaches so I am wondering if that isn't what is really going on, since I have IMMENSE sinus pressure!

More than you wanted to know I'm sure!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 08, 2006, 02:25:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 08, 2006, 02:19:39 pm

More than you wanted to know I'm sure!

Definitely not Louise!  :-*


A bowl of hearty soup is excellent comfort food, and since your tooth hurts and your gums are irritated, have it warm..

(http://www.usapro.co.uk/images/articles/30.jpg)

Do take care of yerself, get well kwik!  :-*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 08, 2006, 02:30:52 pm
That soups looks good, Milli, I think we need a recipe for it for the gallery!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 08, 2006, 02:35:24 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 08, 2006, 02:30:52 pm
That soups looks good, Milli, I think we need a recipe for it for the gallery!

L

True that! 
That's what I had for lunch few minutes ago .. well near enough, and .. yummy!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on August 08, 2006, 02:54:22 pm
hi neatfreak,

Leuven, Belgium here  (CET=EDT+6)




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 08, 2006, 03:04:24 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on August 08, 2006, 06:04:16 am
<waves>   Howdy Neighbor!   ;D

<waves back> Howdy David!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 08, 2006, 03:11:00 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 08, 2006, 09:38:22 am
While Louise gave us a teaser, this is my favorite paragraph:

“Thank you,” Ennis leaned over, brushing his thumb across Ellery’s damp cheek, pushing loose strands of hair back from Ellery’s forehead and tucking them behind his ear. “It’s cause I love you.” Then Ennis leaned down and brushed his lips softly across Ellery’s lips, kissing him as gently as he had penetrated him earlier... giving him a subtle message.

I just love the imagery of their faces so close together, light hair, dark hair, Ennis's fingers in Ellery's hair, pushing it back....sigh.....

L

I totally agree with Leslie and Fred about this passage.  It is just beautiful. (although the hot sweaty part was pretty damn good, too!  ;))

Laurel
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 08, 2006, 03:28:18 pm
I am just printing out the latest chapters to read tonight!  :)

BBM has completely swallowed up my free time .. lol, if I am not reading fanfics, I am on BT, if I am not on BT, I am playing around with my paint program doing BBM, Jake/Heath, E&E foto art stuff, if I am not doing that I am watching BBM, if I am not doing that, I feel like I damn well oughta be! O boy!  ;D  I love it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 08, 2006, 03:39:41 pm
Why Lucise, you say that as though there is something wrong with it!

Do you find anything unusual in my taking my medicine, sleeping for three hours, getting up, writing a chapter, taking more medicine, going to bed, getting up, writing a chapter, taking more medicine...

it's a normal day home sick -- isnt it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 08, 2006, 03:50:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 08, 2006, 03:39:41 pm
Why Lucise, you say that as though there is something wrong with it!

Do you find anything unusual in my taking my medicine, sleeping for three hours, getting up, writing a chapter, taking more medicine, going to bed, getting up, writing a chapter, taking more medicine...

it's a normal day home sick -- isnt it?

Louise, like Jenny said, don't strain yourself on the chapter writing part.
I mean, if you absolutely have to, and if it cheers ya up some, then please go ahead with the chapters.. ;)

One other thing ~ No taking meds with Glenfiddle like the lads do ..  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 08, 2006, 04:10:14 pm
Hahahah Lucise.

I'll take that under advisement.

In the meantime, big plot revelations in the new update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/89607.html  "Chapter 56:  The Other Wellesley"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 08, 2006, 04:42:22 pm
Chapter 55 really has had me thinking. You know, reading the Laramie Saga is opening a new world to me, in several ways. First, I had no idea until I saw the movie how hot it is to see two men in love. Wow. Paradigm shift. Then I discovered slash and, through the davecullen forum, "Taking Chances." Whoa.

Up until this series, I had read exactly ONE romance novel in my life – over thirty years ago. Clearly not my cup of tea. Then I got ahold of "Taking Chances" and its successive books and everything changed. Adding the (frequent!) sex to the story is a whole new way of looking at romance for me, and it is a real eye-opener. Okay, I don't read hetero romances, so maybe they've got it too, but it just didn't have any appeal to me. But having sex included in this story adds an element to the emotional aspect of the characters that just grabs me and won't let go. I can't wait to read more, and it isn't just because it's titillating – and it is – but it fully explores the human condition within the confines of a loving relationship. I'm hooked.

Within this new way of looking at love, I'm discovering things about myself. I'm examining my own feelings about sex, its role in my marriage, and its natural place in our world. I have to say I've always wondered what all the fuss was about over consensual sexual practices. There doesn't seem to be a forum for discussion of what it all means except in places like this. Is this a first? It is for me.

We are clearly such sexual creatures and yet we keep it hidden like an underground river: powerful, hidden just beneath the surface, with the capacity to nourish or drown, depending on whether we open the gates or dam it all up. This exploration of love and life with Ennis and Jack and now Ellery is nourishing me in ways I didn't know were possible. Better late than never!

Louise, if ever you're wondering if all the hard work you're doing is reaching anyone to the depth you hoped, know this: it's changed me, for the better. And I know I'm not alone.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 08, 2006, 05:25:48 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on August 08, 2006, 04:42:22 pm
Chapter 55 really has had me thinking. You know, reading the Laramie Saga is opening a new world to me, in several ways. First, I had no idea until I saw the movie how hot it is to see two men in love. Wow. Paradigm shift. Then I discovered slash and, through the davecullen forum, "Taking Chances." Whoa.

Up until this series, I had read exactly ONE romance novel in my life – over thirty years ago. Clearly not my cup of tea. Then I got ahold of "Taking Chances" and its successive books and everything changed. Adding the (frequent!) sex to the story is a whole new way of looking at romance for me, and it is a real eye-opener. Okay, I don't read hetero romances, so maybe they've got it too, but it just didn't have any appeal to me. But having sex included in this story adds an element to the emotional aspect of the characters that just grabs me and won't let go. I can't wait to read more, and it isn't just because it's titillating – and it is – but it fully explores the human condition within the confines of a loving relationship. I'm hooked.

Within this new way of looking at love, I'm discovering things about myself. I'm examining my own feelings about sex, its role in my marriage, and its natural place in our world. I have to say I've always wondered what all the fuss was about over consensual sexual practices. There doesn't seem to be a forum for discussion of what it all means except in places like this. Is this a first? It is for me.

We are clearly such sexual creatures and yet we keep it hidden like an underground river: powerful, hidden just beneath the surface, with the capacity to nourish or drown, depending on whether we open the gates or dam it all up. This exploration of love and life with Ennis and Jack and now Ellery is nourishing me in ways I didn't know were possible. Better late than never!

Louise, if ever you're wondering if all the hard work you're doing is reaching anyone to the depth you hoped, know this: it's changed me, for the better. And I know I'm not alone.



No, you are not alone. I really liked your review Neatfreak. I feel the same way you do about this story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 08, 2006, 10:13:44 pm
I started this long winded post on Louise's LJ... but as I kept blabbering on, figured it more appropriate to continue it over here:

SPOILER

This is totally CSI!!!

I don't know how you managed to get all this set out Louise.  You have confirmed my desire to never be involved in detectivin' stuff!  Very enjoyable to read, but way too complicated for my little brain to figure out.

Maybe someone can prepare a Cliff's notes?

Seems like smarmy [dumb] Brad is on his way to getting out of their lives, huh?  At least, I hope so. 

Regarding Leslie's comment about Brad maybe having a good heart deep down, just being confused (sorry Leslie, I'm paraphrasing)... personally I don't have any sort of impression of what he's really like deep down.  I haven't really tried to sympathize with him though.  I have of course been totally annoyed with his flirting with Ellery all along, and I am glad Ellery seems to have lost all tolerance for it.  Maybe if I learn more about Brad and his life I will care more about him, but I just don't right now.  One of the things I'm confused about is whether or not the Brotherhood knows he is queer? (sorry that was a horribly worded sentence.)  Okay I don't know why I'm having such a strong reaction to Brad - aside from the fact that he got his former friend killed and hampered another investigation and had Ennis beaten up/kidnapped.  Okay, I'm also pissed 'cause he seems willing to let his money do all his work for him.

I dislike Brad more than Amos right now, is that crazy????

Okay I'm going to try and calm down and read neatfreak's post again.

 >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 08, 2006, 10:23:31 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on August 08, 2006, 04:42:22 pm
Within this new way of looking at love, I'm discovering things about myself. I'm examining my own feelings about sex, its role in my marriage, and its natural place in our world. I have to say I've always wondered what all the fuss was about over consensual sexual practices. There doesn't seem to be a forum for discussion of what it all means except in places like this. Is this a first? It is for me.

We are clearly such sexual creatures and yet we keep it hidden like an underground river: powerful, hidden just beneath the surface, with the capacity to nourish or drown, depending on whether we open the gates or dam it all up. This exploration of love and life with Ennis and Jack and now Ellery is nourishing me in ways I didn't know were possible. Better late than never!

I am not articulating well this evening neatfreak, but wanted to attempt to respond to some of this.  Basically, I agree with you completely!  I don't know if men feel this way (about themselves, not about us), but one of my personal gripes with the world relates to society and sexuality and how women are viewed/treated.  I think it's 'the world at large' but I also think it penetrates our everyday lives as well.  "Look fetching but don't look slutty."  "Don't be a prude but don't be easy either."  It's like in theory you are supposed to be open and free about sex, but then you're not supposed to tell anyone about it.  I don't know if I'm making any sense, and I'm trying to avoid being too personal or giving TMI (lol), but yes, for whatever reason, exploring all this stuff with Ennis and Jack and Ellery is nourishing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 08, 2006, 10:24:24 pm
The Ballad of Ennis and Ellery

Laramie town
of Wild West renown
saw heroes in its day
But none so bold, so brave, so gay
as Ennis and Ellery for they say
these boys sure took your breath away

They outperformed the rest by far
The locals still retell
the famous tale of Ennis Del Mar
and Deputy Ellery John Cantrell

Ennis came to Laramie town
to find himself and look around
He stumbled into Ellery’s bar
and ran straight into some bizarre
behaviours that he thought by far
the strangest sights seen by Del Mar

Near nude boys with painted faces
dancing round in pink shoelaces
Men were kissing and embracing
Ennis quaked, his brain was racing
If this was what was meant by queer
he thought that he was outta here

Then suddenly a silence fell
The stripping stopped
(and just as well)
Ennis paused
saved by the bell
and Deputy Ellery John Cantrell

Ennis did a double take
He thought perhaps this guy was fake
But one look in those smoky eyes
and Ennis Del Mar was hypnotised

Ellery fixed his gaze on Ennis
Felt that air of brooding menace
Lusted after eyes so brown
that curly hair
that cute lil frown

So Deputy Ellery John Cantrell
went after Ennis Del Mar
And it didn’t take long for the sparks to fly
as they sat and drank at the bar
Though Ennis was shy
he fell for the guy
and ended up drunk in bed
with a bottle of whisky
that got them so frisky
they woke up next morning half dead

Ennis and Ellery found true love
and Laramie is their home
Never will Ellery leave his man
nor ever will Ennis roam

And still they say
in Laramie town
the local folks retell
The Epic Romance
of Ennis Del Mar and Deputy Ellery John Cantrell

Ennis and Ellery’s fame has spread
(along with exploits in their bed)
And you can read it all online
courtesy Louise van Hine
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 08, 2006, 10:32:18 pm
MAGICMOUNTAIN!!!

Holy Moly that was super duper fantastic!!  Who should we get to record it for us?  Waylon Jennings?
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 08, 2006, 10:41:36 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 08, 2006, 10:32:18 pm
MAGICMOUNTAIN!!!

Holy Moly that was super duper fantastic!!  Who should we get to record it for us?  Waylon Jennings?
 ;D

I second that.  This is amazing!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 08, 2006, 10:54:06 pm
Listening to the ballad
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 08, 2006, 11:09:59 pm
DeeDee,

Thanks so much for a wonderful laugh!
 ;D
Kelly

Lucise - can the cat and the ballad go in the gallery somewhere?  and will people post here when there are gallery updates?
Gracias.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 08, 2006, 11:55:01 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 08, 2006, 10:13:44 pm

Seems like smarmy [dumb] Brad is on his way to getting out of their lives, huh?  At least, I hope so. 

Regarding Leslie's comment about Brad maybe having a good heart deep down, just being confused (sorry Leslie, I'm paraphrasing)... personally I don't have any sort of impression of what he's really like deep down.  I haven't really tried to sympathize with him though.  I have of course been totally annoyed with his flirting with Ellery all along, and I am glad Ellery seems to have lost all tolerance for it.  Maybe if I learn more about Brad and his life I will care more about him, but I just don't right now.  One of the things I'm confused about is whether or not the Brotherhood knows he is queer? (sorry that was a horribly worded sentence.)  Okay I don't know why I'm having such a strong reaction to Brad - aside from the fact that he got his former friend killed and hampered another investigation and had Ennis beaten up/kidnapped.  Okay, I'm also pissed 'cause he seems willing to let his money do all his work for him.

I dislike Brad more than Amos right now, is that crazy????

Okay I'm going to try and calm down and read neatfreak's post again.

 >:(

Well I posted back to Leslie too, because I am sorry, but hiring  hit people to harm anyone, even if he didn't specify killing---What he really did is murder or assault with intent to do bodily harm for hire---that is NOT being confused---that is being maliciously mean spirited and cruel.  that is not a poor choice, it is conscious action that says to me that is a person with a bad/evil heart, not to mention being a spoiled brat.  Don't mean to argue or anything, but being confused means you confront them yourself and find out what's going on,  or write them a letter, hiring anyone else to do your physical harm because your feelings are hurt, says you have an evil thought pattern and no conscience, he isn't even sorry now-except that he got caught, and they are figuring everything out-- He goes way beyond poor choices into criminal.


Just because now he thinks he has a crush on Ellery and doesn't know what to do about it--He already turned hit men loose in Laramie--he doesn't get any sympathy from me.  He is cowardly little rich kid who thinks that laws apply to others, cause he uses money instead of his own fists so he doesn't get dirty. 
that is how I feel about it.  I won't post any more about this chapter though, but I had to say my feelings in answer, since you brought it up. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 09, 2006, 12:33:13 am
Love that cool cat Dee Dee and thanks for your appreciation Jenny and NotBastet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 09, 2006, 01:29:09 am
Sorry if this is OT. I finally got my BBM DVD and the TV connection didn't work. In comes the very macho mafia looking serviceman to fix the connection. When I give him the BBM DVD to put in the player he rasps out "Have you seen this movie?" I say "Yes" and hold my breath. "Yeah", he said. "It's a good movie".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 09, 2006, 04:26:30 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 08, 2006, 10:13:44 pm
I started this long winded post on Louise's LJ... but as I kept blabbering on, figured it more appropriate to continue it over here:

SPOILER

This is totally CSI!!!

I don't know how you managed to get all this set out Louise.  You have confirmed my desire to never be involved in detectivin' stuff!  Very enjoyable to read, but way too complicated for my little brain to figure out.

Maybe someone can prepare a Cliff's notes?


Okay, since most of the plot has been revealed/unraveled already, here is the Cliff Notes version of it:

Amos Marigold is our main culprit here.  Having been recommended to the job of assistant D.A. by some ultra conservative elements in the county government (as yet unnamed) he started working closely with Ellery on the Steele investigation and then on the Wilson Brand assault, and his being offended by Ellery's socks and the hickies on his neck and meeting Ellery's live-in male partner was too much for Amos to handle, and formed a plan to "deal with" not only Ellery but also the queers that frequented his bar.  He made contact with the Brotherhood, a little known group of Christian extremists who have a loose relationship with the Wellesley family, at least one of whom (Brad) has given them financial support.  He had Worrell's rifle switched, handed it off to his Brotherhood contacts, and gave them a list.  This list included, ironically, the investigator Worrell's father had used to dig up dirt on Amos and who had gotten photos of Amos in drag in order for Worrell to blackmail Amos into compromising the case against Justin Worrell.

When Brad heard about the Brotherhood having a "contract list" of queers to knock off, he decided to dispose of his friend Will who had insulted and turned him down, but because the Brotherhood performed the killing right there in front of him, he felt resentful that they had involved him so directly and decided to let information on the Brotherhood "slip" to a certain deputy sheriff his brother James had met who was now assigned to investigate the Wilkes killing, so that he would not himself be considered suspect.  In the process of his meetings with Ellery he developed an unhealthy "crush" on Ellery, and decided he wanted Ennis out of the way.  But he knew if he hired the Brotherhood they would kill him - he didnt want to go that far -- so he went and found some guys more likely to beat him and leave him alive -- Leon and Sammy.  By having Ennis abducted, he tried to accomplish two things:  confuse the investigation and distract Ellery, and also, deal with his own feelings of jealousy about Ellery having a lover.


So Jim was killed by the Brotherhood using Amos's list
Wilkes was killed by Prescott and Koonz as a "copycat" killing contracted by Sevigny
Dupree was shot being mistaken by Brotherhood members by using Ellery's car
Ellery was shot at by Roy Koonz using Worrell's rifle
Ennis was beaten and abducted by the Langs contracted by Sevigny.

Sevigny is a sort of sad character, in that he strikes out at people who don't do what he wants them to.  He is a classic sociopath:  he has little or no feeling for other people, but he appears to be vulnerable and sympathetic.  (But he's not.)

I hope this clears up this convoluted plot for everyone!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 09, 2006, 04:49:24 am
Well, perhaps needless to say... despite a rather wretched night of chills, coughing, and periods of sleeplessness, I finally did settle down and dragged myself to work today, and feel better.  I guess when the non-productive cough turned into a productive one it meant I was on the mend.  Or it was all that virtual soup!

Thanks for all the wonderful comments, the Ballad, the cat, the commentary on sexuality in the Laramie Saga, and all that I haven't had time to respond to personally... I do appreciate it everyone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 09, 2006, 05:49:58 am
Quote from: ranchgal on August 08, 2006, 11:55:01 pm
Well I posted back to Leslie too, because I am sorry, but hiring  hit people to harm anyone, even if he didn't specify killing---What he really did is murder or assault with intent to do bodily harm for hire---that is NOT being confused---that is being maliciously mean spirited and cruel.  that is not a poor choice, it is conscious action that says to me that is a person with a bad/evil heart, not to mention being a spoiled brat.  Don't mean to argue or anything, but being confused means you confront them yourself and find out what's going on,  or write them a letter, hiring anyone else to do your physical harm because your feelings are hurt, says you have an evil thought pattern and no conscience, he isn't even sorry now-except that he got caught, and they are figuring everything out-- He goes way beyond poor choices into criminal.


Just because now he thinks he has a crush on Ellery and doesn't know what to do about it--He already turned hit men loose in Laramie--he doesn't get any sympathy from me.  He is cowardly little rich kid who thinks that laws apply to others, cause he uses money instead of his own fists so he doesn't get dirty. 
that is how I feel about it.  I won't post any more about this chapter though, but I had to say my feelings in answer, since you brought it up. LOL

I agree with ranchgal here. I feel absolutely  no sympathy Brad Sevingny (or Wellesley). He has confessed but to some extent he is still playing his game. I think he wanted to have Wilkes killed. That was no accident. I mean, Brad was crying and such as he confessed, but in the end he tells Ellery he did it because of his legs. That guy is still up to something. However, I hope his brother is not as bad as he is. I mean, who doesn't tell a friend or family member some gossip from work? That's a normal thing to do, especially if the circumstances aren't usual. Having a queer who owns a queer bar in such a small city like Laramie as the Chief Deputy Sheriff is unusual for the place and the time the story takes place. So, IMO is pretty normal that Jim might have tell someone about it, especially his own brother who's gay, just like Simpson was gossiping about it with the radio on when he and Jewell were watching Ellery and Ennis's home.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 09, 2006, 06:51:13 am
Quote from: louisev on August 09, 2006, 04:49:24 am
Well, perhaps needless to say... despite a rather wretched night of chills, coughing, and periods of sleeplessness, I finally did settle down and dragged myself to work today, and feel better.  I guess when the non-productive cough turned into a productive one it meant I was on the mend.  Or it was all that virtual soup!

Thanks for all the wonderful comments, the Ballad, the cat, the commentary on sexuality in the Laramie Saga, and all that I haven't had time to respond to personally... I do appreciate it everyone!

Good to know you're feeling better Louise. But don't be like Ellery and don't overdo it today!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 09, 2006, 07:01:32 am
I guess by now you have all figured out there are a lot of similarities between Ellery and me... that old "overdoing it" gene is one of them.  I just wish being nervous made me as thin as it makes him!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 09, 2006, 07:40:45 am
Gee whiz!

I post a LJ comment and go to bed and everyone discusses it, there and here, and I wake up in the morning with the chance to pick up the pieces.

To clarify my opinion on Brad Sevigny...Ranchgal wrote that he is "disgusting" and I commented that I didn't think he was "disgusting." Despite all the comments to the contrary, I still don't. Maybe Louise didn't write him strongly enough to be disgusting in my eyes, who knows. Maybe it is my view of the world where there are very few blacks and whites and lots and lots of shades of gray, and Brad is out there in gray-land somewhere. Whatever. As a character, I still have some sympathy for him, even though what he has done is very wrong.

I guess part of my sympathy comes from the fact that he is gay and his bad decisions stem from that. He is trying to find his way in a world which is known (even in 2006) to be hostile to "his kind" and the fact that he reacts in anger is not too surprising. Couple that anger with a sociopathic personality and obviously we have a recipe for disaster. Even so, I still don't find him a 100% unlikeable character.

Brad was disowned by his father because he is gay and made the decision to change his name and cut all ties with his family. (Obviously he didn't though, since he talks to his brother.) When Ellery heard this, he made the comment, "I am glad my daddy wasn't alive to see my heart get broken by another man." Ellery, who comes across as the most well-adjusted gay guy in the entire story, has a place of vulnerability and insecurity about being gay. I guess realizing this about Ellery made me unable to totally hate Brad,  if that makes any sense at all.

My 2 cents.

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 09, 2006, 08:08:55 am
One of the things I try to do, even when I am writing a "cops and robbers" situation, is to portray people not as black and white, but as varying shades of grey.  In other words, we have people who are "a little selfish" (i.e. Wayne), and "a little mean"  (i.e. Leon), and then there are those who are a little more selfish (Lang) and a little more mean (Wilson Brand), all the way up to the super ultra mean Worrell and Daddy Worrell and of course the ultra mean bad guy Amos Marigold, about whom very few people would ever feel any sympathy, ladies' underwear aside.

One of the reasons I created the characters of Brad Sevigny and Justin Worrell is to make sure that I don't portray all the "gays" as synonymous with "good" because that really has never been true and I don't want to give anyone the idea that just because someone is gay does not make them automatically one of the heroes, and that the straight guys aren't all mean and evil.  So I mixed up the evil guys and the good guys so that we have shades of evil and shades of good among all of them.  Sevigny is meant to be ambiguously sociopathic.  The problem with such people is that they are more ill than evil, and even to this day, there is very little anyone can do to help them with their self-created problems.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 09, 2006, 10:10:29 am
Quote from: louisev on August 09, 2006, 08:08:55 am
One of the things I try to do, even when I am writing a "cops and robbers" situation, is to portray people not as black and white, but as varying shades of grey.  In other words, we have people who are "a little selfish" (i.e. Wayne), and "a little mean"  (i.e. Leon), and then there are those who are a little more selfish (Lang) and a little more mean (Wilson Brand), all the way up to the super ultra mean Worrell and Daddy Worrell and of course the ultra mean bad guy Amos Marigold, about whom very few people would ever feel any sympathy, ladies' underwear aside.

One of the reasons I created the characters of Brad Sevigny and Justin Worrell is to make sure that I don't portray all the "gays" as synonymous with "good" because that really has never been true and I don't want to give anyone the idea that just because someone is gay does not make them automatically one of the heroes, and that the straight guys aren't all mean and evil.  So I mixed up the evil guys and the good guys so that we have shades of evil and shades of good among all of them.  Sevigny is meant to be ambiguously sociopathic.  The problem with such people is that they are more ill than evil, and even to this day, there is very little anyone can do to help them with their self-created problems.

I agree with this Louise, every demographic has people of every kind in it, and your writing relflects that-and that is good.  Cause most people tend to be grey depending on the day and situation, good people can do bad things and bad people can do good things.
Giving Brad extra sympathy or consideration because he is gay-puts him to a different standard than any other person who did what he did.  I don't agree with that any where. I think he is perfectly aware of what he did and is doing, and that doesn't deserve anything more than anyone else who hurts other people. Being gay isn't an excuse or at least it shouldn't be.   he may well have had a fall out with some of his family, but they certainly didn't abandon him completely-as they are still giving him money, and he still talks to some of them.  Maybe he left them more than they left him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 09, 2006, 10:30:31 am
Quote from: ranchgal on August 09, 2006, 10:10:29 am
I agree with this Louise, every demographic has people of every kind in it, and your writing relflects that-and that is good.  Cause most people tend to be grey depending on the day and situation, good people can do bad things and bad people can do good things.
Giving Brad extra sympathy or consideration because he is gay-puts him to a different standard than any other person who did what he did.  I don't agree with that any where. I think he is perfectly aware of what he did and is doing, and that doesn't deserve anything more than anyone else who hurts other people. Being gay isn't an excuse or at least it shouldn't be.   he may well have had a fall out with some of his family, but they certainly didn't abandon him completely-as they are still giving him money, and he still talks to some of them.  Maybe he left them more than they left him.

I don't consider giving Brad sympathy or consideration because he is gay to be a "different standard" than any other person. I am considering the situation, context, and person. Like I said, to me there is lots of gray and ambiguity surrounding him, especially since we don't know the full details of his life, family, and so on. All of these influences shape who we are as people and the choices we make...and Brad made choices.

Ranchgal, obviously we don't see eye to eye on this, and that's fine. This isn't the first thing we have disagreed on (nipple piercing comes to mind...)

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 09, 2006, 01:01:07 pm
MagicM ~ I love that ballad!  ;)

Dee ~ Love the cat!!  ;D

Louise ~ I hope you are feeling much better today!  Take it easy and get plenty of rest, rest, rest!!  :)


Quote from: notBastet on August 08, 2006, 11:09:59 pm
Lucise - can the cat and the ballad go in the gallery somewhere?  and will people post here when there are gallery updates? Gracias.

Kelly - I am sure the cat and the ballad will find their way into the gallery .. definitely!
Any comments for the gallery can be posted there for sure, although suggestions for characters/props, etc can be made here and I'll eventually add them to the Gallery! :)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: melissasjack on August 09, 2006, 02:08:08 pm
Never posted here before...
Just my 2 cents that I had to put in...
Brokeback mountain is about a joyous celebration and a sorrowful mourning of the love between Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar....
Notice how I said BETWEEN JACK & ENNIS.
BBM is not about Ennis and so & so,
Jack & Ennis, forever.
Period.
Anything else in a DESECRATION OF THEIR love.
It was about LOVE.
Jack Twist, the sweetest man there is, and his aching Ennis who would only ever love his Jack. Thats it.
Thank you.

Edited for language -Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 09, 2006, 02:20:15 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 09, 2006, 01:01:07 pm

Louise ~ I hope you are feeling much better today!  Take it easy and get plenty of rest, rest, rest!!  :)




errr... errrr... ok all you worry-wart types... so I just got home at the godawful hour of 8:10 p.m. after the stores closed, which means I couldn't refill on cough drops and tissues and food....after a 10 1/2 hour day....   but the good news is, I think it must be only a cold.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 09, 2006, 02:55:48 pm
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and view of BBM and what may happen after the end of the story.  We all read the story and try to finish the story based on our own experiences and attitude.  One person’s view does not validate or invalidate the feelings of others (this goes both ways whether you believe Ennis would only ever love Jack or he could have a second chance of love with someone else).  Just as many of my friends don’t get BBM, I think it’s perfectly understandable that some people don’t get the story between Ennis and Ellery.  How a story impacts a person is still a mystery to me...  However, if people think the story of Ennis and Ellery is only about sex and not about love.  Then sadly and respectfully, I have to say I disagree and think that’s wrong.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 09, 2006, 02:57:31 pm
Quote from: JennyC on August 09, 2006, 02:55:48 pm
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and view of BBM and what may happen after the end of the story.  We all read the story and try to finish the story based on our own experiences and attitude.  One person’s view does not validate or invalidate the feelings of others (this goes both ways whether you believe Ennis would only ever love Jack or he could have a second chance of love with someone else).  Just as many of my friends don’t get BBM, I think it’s perfectly understandable that some people don’t get the story between Ennis and Ellery.  How a story impacts a person is still a mystery to me...  However, if people think the story of Ennis and Ellery is only about sex and not about love.  Then sadly and respectfully, I have to say I disagree and think that’s wrong.

I agree.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 09, 2006, 02:58:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 09, 2006, 02:20:15 pm
errr... errrr... ok all you worry-wart types... so I just got home at the godawful hour of 8:10 p.m. after the stores closed, which means I couldn't refill on cough drops and tissues and food....after a 10 1/2 hour day....   but the good news is, I think it must be only a cold.

Louise, I am glad to hear that it's only a cold.  Hope you will be feeling better soon.  Don’t rush with writing, and only do that if that cheers you up.  I have started to go back and re-read the whole story. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 09, 2006, 03:02:00 pm

I want to add my agreement to Leslie and Jenny as they have replied to Melissa.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 09, 2006, 03:10:01 pm
Quote from: melissasjack on August 09, 2006, 02:08:08 pm
Never posted here before...
Just my 2 cents that I had to put in...
Brokeback mountain is about a joyous celebration and a sorrowful mourning of the love between Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar....
Notice how I said BETWEEN JACK & ENNIS.
BBM is not about Ennis and so & so,
Jack & Ennis, forever.
Period.
Anything else in a DESECRATION OF THEIR love.
It was about LOVE.
Jack Twist, the sweetest man there is, and his aching Ennis who would only ever love his Jack. Thats it.
Thank you.

Edited for language -Roland

Hun, if this aint ya cup of tea, fair enough!
No offense, but you are not an authority on Jack and Ennis, their love and their story. 
Others who choose to write fanfics on Ennis & Jack, Ennis and "so & so", Jack alone, Ennis alone, etc are free to do so.
It aint hurting me or you now is it?  There are enough fanfics out there to suit everyone's tastes ..

That's also just my 2 cents!  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 09, 2006, 03:12:20 pm
Well, we need a pic for this page, don't we? 


(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1406/5490492/10994757/176057291.jpg)

What do y'all think?   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 09, 2006, 03:17:31 pm
I love the color and the setup.  But why Ellery has short hair in the picture up on the top?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 09, 2006, 03:19:34 pm
I love it Lucise!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 09, 2006, 03:28:03 pm
Quote from: JennyC on August 09, 2006, 03:17:31 pm
I love the color and the setup.  But why Ellery has short hair in the picture up on the top?

tsk tsk Jenny .. He has it pulled to the back, silly girl!  :P
Fine, I'll do another one later with his long, flowing locks!   ;D


Cheers Natali!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 09, 2006, 03:38:30 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 09, 2006, 03:19:34 pm
I love it Lucise!!  :D

I love it, too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 09, 2006, 03:48:16 pm
I think it's wonderful, Lucise!  Of course... I think everything you do is wonderful!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 04:41:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 09, 2006, 03:48:16 pm
I think it's wonderful, Lucise!  Of course... I think everything you do is wonderful!
Me too!!   :)

Thank you Lucise! SO much  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 04:44:39 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 09, 2006, 03:10:01 pm
Hun, if this aint ya cup of tea, fair enough!
No offense, but you are not an authority on Jack and Ennis, their love and their story. 
Others who choose to write fanfics on Ennis & Jack, Ennis and "so & so", Jack alone, Ennis alone, etc are free to do so.
It aint hurting me or you now is it?  There are enough fanfics out there to suit everyone's tastes ..

That's also just my 2 cents!  :)


Thank you once again Lucise   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 09, 2006, 04:48:45 pm
well folkses, I am typity type typing away, slowly but surely, on chapter 57.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 04:52:22 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 09, 2006, 04:48:45 pm
well folkses, I am typity type typing away, slowly but surely, on chapter 57.
Awww Louise! Are you feeling better then? I hope so!  :-*

Whooooooooo wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! *excited squee*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 09, 2006, 04:55:52 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 09, 2006, 04:48:45 pm
well folkses, I am typity type typing away, slowly but surely, on chapter 57.

woohoo!  :)


Btw BigH ~  what the heck does *squeeee* really mean??  :laugh:

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 04:59:03 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 09, 2006, 04:55:52 pm
woohoo!  :)


Btw BigH ~  what the heck does *squeeee* really mean??  :laugh:


Heheheh Lucise! *giggles* Well, I don't really know to tell you the truth! I picked it up on the DC boards months ago, I guess its just a silly kind of squeal when you're really excited about something!!! LOL!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 09, 2006, 05:13:47 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 04:59:03 pm
Heheheh Lucise! *giggles* Well, I don't really know to tell you the truth! I picked it up on the DC boards months ago, I guess its just a silly kind of squeal when you're really excited about something!!! LOL!

I figured ..
sounds like a sound a rodent would make ..LOL!

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 09, 2006, 05:16:53 pm
Here is another version of our Dreamy Boys, this time Ellery's hair is not in a ponytail!  ;D


(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1406/5490492/10994757/176086911.jpg)


Anyone else having a really slow day today? Or is it just me?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 09, 2006, 05:27:31 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/90074.html  "Chapter 57:  Breakfast with Edna"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 09, 2006, 05:28:21 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 09, 2006, 05:16:53 pm
Here is another version of our Dreamy Boys, this time Ellery's hair is not in a ponytail!  ;D


Anyone else having a really slow day today? Or is it just me?


Oh I love that big smile !  That is wondrous!  and wonderful!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 05:38:27 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 09, 2006, 05:13:47 pm
I figured ..
sounds like a sound a rodent would make ..LOL!

 ;)
Hahaha, I take it you don't like the 'squeeeeing'  ;D

I'll try not to do it too often then  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 05:39:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 09, 2006, 05:27:31 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/90074.html  "Chapter 57:  Breakfast with Edna"
Great!!!

*rushes off to read*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 09, 2006, 05:47:04 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 05:38:27 pm
Hahaha, I take it you don't like the 'squeeeeing'  ;D

I'll try not to do it too often then  :D

No..No.. Dont un-squee on my account, it doesn't bother me .. Squee away BigH! lol..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 05:56:25 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 09, 2006, 05:47:04 pm
No..No.. Dont un-squee on my account, it doesn't bother me .. Squee away BigH! lol..
You are hilarious Lucise! Really  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 09, 2006, 06:00:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 09, 2006, 05:27:31 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/90074.html  "Chapter 57:  Breakfast with Edna"
Oh Louise, this chapter got me all teary... *sigh* poor sweet Ennis. I want to hug him big time.

I hope he can get Ellery to go swimming more often and I really hope they get the paso fino horse! That would be so great.
LOVE Edna  :)

Thanks Louise  :) Absolutely wonderful chapter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 09, 2006, 09:18:47 pm
Quote from: melissasjack on August 09, 2006, 02:08:08 pm
It was about LOVE.

That's right. BBM was about love. How two people found and experienced love. How love survived a battering. How love seemed to be lost. Love's story does not end there because ultimately love is much more than about just two people. Love can be found again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: alexisg on August 09, 2006, 09:32:48 pm
Late to the party as always, but I do hope you are feeling better, Louise!

I'm still catching up on my chapters, so I am trying to not read all the postings, in case I am spoiled a bit, but I had to share this with like-minded folks.

Where I live, it seems that the sheriff's department has been assigned to patrol the area where I live for trucks with 'loose' loads (sounds dirty, I know, but there is a lot of new construction where I live.)

So, every morning, I see 3 or 4 sheriff's department cars, and every single morning, I can't help but wonder who pissed off Ellery to get assigned to such a task.  ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 09, 2006, 09:56:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 09, 2006, 04:26:30 am
Okay, since most of the plot has been revealed/unraveled already, here is the Cliff Notes version of it:
Louise - thank you so much!  That really did help!  (I'm sorry I was too lazy to go back and figure it all out for myself... please forgive me...)

Seriously - great mystery!
 :)
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 09, 2006, 10:02:16 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 09, 2006, 07:40:45 am
Gee whiz!

I post a LJ comment and go to bed and everyone discusses it, there and here, and I wake up in the morning with the chance to pick up the pieces.

To clarify my opinion on Brad Sevigny...Ranchgal wrote that he is "disgusting" and I commented that I didn't think he was "disgusting." Despite all the comments to the contrary, I still don't. Maybe Louise didn't write him strongly enough to be disgusting in my eyes, who knows. Maybe it is my view of the world where there are very few blacks and whites and lots and lots of shades of gray, and Brad is out there in gray-land somewhere. Whatever. As a character, I still have some sympathy for him, even though what he has done is very wrong.

I guess part of my sympathy comes from the fact that he is gay and his bad decisions stem from that. He is trying to find his way in a world which is known (even in 2006) to be hostile to "his kind" and the fact that he reacts in anger is not too surprising. Couple that anger with a sociopathic personality and obviously we have a recipe for disaster. Even so, I still don't find him a 100% unlikeable character.

Brad was disowned by his father because he is gay and made the decision to change his name and cut all ties with his family. (Obviously he didn't though, since he talks to his brother.) When Ellery heard this, he made the comment, "I am glad my daddy wasn't alive to see my heart get broken by another man." Ellery, who comes across as the most well-adjusted gay guy in the entire story, has a place of vulnerability and insecurity about being gay. I guess realizing this about Ellery made me unable to totally hate Brad,  if that makes any sense at all.

My 2 cents.

L



Hi Leslie -

Sorry if I made you feel picked on!!!   :(  I didn't mean too.

I'm glad you clarified a bit though.

I tend to react to things in two different ways - one way is with a deep, guttural reaction... the other way is with a more thoughtful approach...  For whatever reason - I am still in the deep guttural mode with Brad.  Haven't gotten to thoughtful yet.

**shrugs shoulders**

Discussion is good, I like it.
 ;)

How is it being back at work and back in the States?

Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 09, 2006, 10:09:54 pm
Quote from: melissasjack on August 09, 2006, 02:08:08 pm
Never posted here before...
Just my 2 cents that I had to put in...
Brokeback mountain is about a joyous celebration and a sorrowful mourning of the love between Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar....
Notice how I said BETWEEN JACK & ENNIS.
BBM is not about Ennis and so & so,
Jack & Ennis, forever.
Period.
Anything else in a DESECRATION OF THEIR love.
It was about LOVE.
Jack Twist, the sweetest man there is, and his aching Ennis who would only ever love his Jack. Thats it.
Thank you.

Edited for language -Roland

I know you and a lot of other people feel this way.  I think most of us around here think Ennis finding love again is both a tribute and an acknowledgement of his love for Jack.  Have you been reading the Laramie Saga?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 09, 2006, 10:12:13 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 09, 2006, 03:12:20 pm
Well, we need a pic for this page, don't we? 
What do y'all think?   ;)

Hi Lucise,

Me and my demanding requests again...
I was wondering do you think we could get some pics of Ellery and Ennis that aren't shots of Ennis/Heath from the movie??
Or, do you think that's a weird request?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 09, 2006, 10:13:29 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 09, 2006, 03:12:20 pm
Well, we need a pic for this page, don't we? 
What do y'all think?   ;)

Oops!  Got caught up in my demanding request and forgot to say that I loved the color scheme and the set-up of the pic!

Fantabulous.
 :)
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 09, 2006, 10:24:52 pm
Quote from: alexisg on August 09, 2006, 09:32:48 pm
Late to the party as always, but I do hope you are feeling better, Louise!

...

So, every morning, I see 3 or 4 sheriff's department cars, and every single morning, I can't help but wonder who pissed off Ellery to get assigned to such a task.  ;D


Hi Alexis - I am always late to the party too, seem to be the only one around this time of night.
 :)
I'm actually kinda jealous that you get to see the sheriff's cars and think about Ellery every morning like that... sad, huh?
 ;)
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: alexisg on August 09, 2006, 10:27:00 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 09, 2006, 10:24:52 pm
Hi Alexis - I am always late to the party too, seem to be the only one around this time of night.
 :)
I'm actually kinda jealous that you get to see the sheriff's cars and think about Ellery every morning like that... sad, huh?
 ;)
Kelly

I am always praying I don't get busted, most of the time. :)  I'm a little speed demon!  But since reading Louise's story, I've been much more aware of our sheriff's department, and they are ALWAYS crawling around.  And, I swear I saw Ellery's El Camino (same year, and everything) coming out of  AOL HQ. :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 10, 2006, 12:02:30 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 09, 2006, 10:12:13 pm
Hi Lucise,

Me and my demanding requests again...
I was wondering do you think we could get some pics of Ellery and Ennis that aren't shots of Ennis/Heath from the movie??
Or, do you think that's a weird request?

hey nB,
Not a wierd request at all.  I do Heath/Jake foto stuff (not related to BBM) as you know, and it doesn't bother me any.. ;)
Might be interesting to do some Hugh/Heath ones. When I do get some done, I'll post 'em for sure!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 10, 2006, 12:09:58 am
Love you Milli, blowing a thousand kisses your way....

 :)
Kelly
(yeah, your Jake/Heath stuff is the bomb!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 10, 2006, 12:21:36 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 10, 2006, 12:09:58 am
Love you Milli, blowing a thousand kisses your way....

 :)
Kelly
(yeah, your Jake/Heath stuff is the bomb!)

Well Kell, since yer being so sweet and all, I'll do one now and post for ya!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 10, 2006, 12:42:27 am
I have to get some shut-eye, so I'll look forward to seeing it tomorrow.

Sweet dreams...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 10, 2006, 01:11:32 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 10, 2006, 12:42:27 am
I have to get some shut-eye, so I'll look forward to seeing it tomorrow.

Sweet dreams...


Well Kelly .. Here are Hugh/Heath for ya!  AussieLand representin'! lol ..
Enjoy it!!  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f099a082.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 10, 2006, 03:14:06 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 10, 2006, 01:11:32 am
Well Kelly .. Here are Hugh/Heath for ya! 
I'm sure Kelly will love it. I know I do!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 10, 2006, 03:15:55 am
You are a clever clogs Lucise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 10, 2006, 05:02:54 am
Quote from: laurel on August 10, 2006, 03:14:06 am
I'm sure Kelly will love it. I know I do!   ;D
And me!!

GREAT stuff!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 10, 2006, 05:04:43 am
OH mm,

Your avatar is brilliant! Just to die for! I love it.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 10, 2006, 05:43:32 am
That's a great picture, Lucise. I have always loved that photo of Heath in the green shirt and Hugh is pretty hot, too!

Thanks for sharing your talents with us, over and over....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 10, 2006, 07:31:03 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 10, 2006, 01:11:32 am
Well Kelly .. Here are Hugh/Heath for ya!  AussieLand representin'! lol ..
Enjoy it!!  ;)


Oh my, don't those boys look good together?  You can say 'perfect couple' can't you?  Sure you can!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 10, 2006, 08:07:20 am
What wonderful pictures, Lucise.  Ennis in a green shirt and Ellery with a big smile.  Great!

Louise, there seems to be a blank in the story.  If Edna and Wes have known Ellery for 20 years,  that means they met him the year after his freshman year and all the trouble with Beagle.  How did they meet?  Where did a sheriff on a sheriff's salary get the money to purchase the horse ranch?  How did such a close relationship , a filial one, develop between Ellery and the Brown's.  How did Ellery know that Ennis would get a thousand dollar bonus?  What did he have to do with it?  Did Ellery help the Browns purshace the ranch?  Is he a silent partner?  We know a lot about Jack and Ennis' background thanks to Annie Proulx.  We know bits and starts of Ellery's.  We know next to nothing about Ellery's relationship with the Browns other than it is a strong, long standing one.  Can you enlighten us, Louise?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 10, 2006, 08:21:11 am
Excellent questions scudder!!!

Loved the pic Lucise.  'Perfect couple' fits well Louise.

Better go start working now...
 ;)
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 10, 2006, 09:46:50 am
Quote from: scudder on August 10, 2006, 08:07:20 am
What wonderful pictures, Lucise.  Ennis in a green shirt and Ellery with a big smile.  Great!

Louise, there seems to be a blank in the story.  If Edna and Wes have known Ellery for 20 years,  that means they met him the year after his freshman year and all the trouble with Beagle.  How did they meet?  Where did a sheriff on a sheriff's salary get the money to purchase the horse ranch?  How did such a close relationship , a filial one, develop between Ellery and the Brown's.  How did Ellery know that Ennis would get a thousand dollar bonus?  What did he have to do with it?  Did Ellery help the Browns purshace the ranch?  Is he a silent partner?  We know a lot about Jack and Ennis' background thanks to Annie Proulx.  We know bits and starts of Ellery's.  We know next to nothing about Ellery's relationship with the Browns other than it is a strong, long standing one.  Can you enlighten us, Louise?

Hi scudder:

I believe Edna said she's known Ellery for almost 20 years. Also, Wes has said he hand picked Ellery from college upon his graduation, and that's how they got to know each other. As for Wes's ranch, no specific has been given about how he got it, but it seems to me he comes from money people as well.  Or maybe Edna is the rich of the two. To be a Sheriff you need to be elected. So I guess the person interested in such a position needs to invest some money for campaign and stuff, so he had to have some money himself. I'm not sure about this, but this is what I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 10, 2006, 11:03:11 am
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f099a082.jpg)

Ellery: Now don't you go gettin' all green on me Ennis.

Ennis: You watch ya mouth boy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 10, 2006, 11:57:22 am
Morning folks!
Cheers for all the kind comments!  :-*
I am sure I have a few pix to contribute yet .. ;)


MagicM ~ love the caption about Ennis 'turning green' .. lol

And how is our authoress today?  Louise, hope yer feeling better!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 10, 2006, 01:43:50 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 10, 2006, 09:46:50 am
Hi scudder:

I believe Edna said she's known Ellery for almost 20 years. Also, Wes has said he hand picked Ellery from college upon his graduation, and that's how they got to know each other. As for Wes's ranch, no specific has been given about how he got it, but it seems to me he comes from money people as well.  Or maybe Edna is the rich of the two. To be a Sheriff you need to be elected. So I guess the person interested in such a position needs to invest some money for campaign and stuff, so he had to have some money himself. I'm not sure about this, but this is what I think.

I guess I'm going to have to nominate Natali for "Fact Girl" because you covered that beautifully Natali!  (Unfortunately I had to spend another long day WORKING for heaven's sake!!!).  And yes, Wes was elected sheriff, and to be elected you need campaign money and yes, Wes has got some money.  Edna was rounding off in her comment about "almost 20 years."  They have known him since his senior year in college, where as the most promising senior in his class, he got to work in the Sheriff's department.  (That isn't covered in the story anywhere, but that is where I was going with the fact that Wes hand-picked Ellery.)  And as far as Ellery knowing about Ennis's bonus, he knows how Wes works, and if Wes hadn't actually come out and asked him how much he should give him, then he would have made a good guess based upon his thorough knowledge of how Wes does business.  And at this point I haven't drawn any deeper relationship between Ellery and the Browns.  They have their own money, they don't have a financial relationship of any kind. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 10, 2006, 01:51:28 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 10, 2006, 11:57:22 am
Morning folks!

And how is our authoress today?  Louise, hope yer feeling better!  :)

You deserve every great comment, Lucise, and in honor of your unique contribution to E&E I have decided to immortalize you in a unique way in the upcoming book.  If I'm really clever I'll be able to get everybody who is a regular fan here mentioned in some way in one of the upcoming books, if there is some way to get your name inconspicuously fit in there somewhere!

As far as my health goes, I got lucky on the cough - it must have been either a side effect of my tooth problem or a simple cold, because I am getting over it pretty quickly.  I had a good night's sleep last night.  Unfortunately, my dentist had bad news for me today: I have an infection underneath the root of my most recent root canal, which is cemented beneath a fixed bridge.  Fixing it is going to be time consuming and may not be successful: the alternative is oral surgery or pulling the tooth out, which means losing a bridge I paid a whole lot of money for, and molars I can ill afford to lose bitability with.  So that wasnt good news, but there is hope.  And here I was hoping for an infected gum!

I am idling in chat and thinking about chapter 58 at this hour.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 10, 2006, 02:03:25 pm
Thanks for the clarification, Natali and Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 10, 2006, 02:05:18 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 10, 2006, 01:43:50 pm
I guess I'm going to have to nominate Natali for "Fact Girl" because you covered that beautifully Natali!  (Unfortunately I had to spend another long day WORKING for heaven's sake!!!).  And yes, Wes was elected sheriff, and to be elected you need campaign money and yes, Wes has got some money.  Edna was rounding off in her comment about "almost 20 years."  They have known him since his senior year in college, where as the most promising senior in his class, he got to work in the Sheriff's department.  (That isn't covered in the story anywhere, but that is where I was going with the fact that Wes hand-picked Ellery.)  And as far as Ellery knowing about Ennis's bonus, he knows how Wes works, and if Wes hadn't actually come out and asked him how much he should give him, then he would have made a good guess based upon his thorough knowledge of how Wes does business.  And at this point I haven't drawn any deeper relationship between Ellery and the Browns.  They have their own money, they don't have a financial relationship of any kind. 

LOL. Thanks! I guess spending the day dissecting news items is worth for something other than a dissertation!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 10, 2006, 03:44:42 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/90202.html  "Chapter 58:  Confessions"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 10, 2006, 04:28:17 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 10, 2006, 01:51:28 pm
You deserve every great comment, Lucise, and in honor of your unique contribution to E&E I have decided to immortalize you in a unique way in the upcoming book.  If I'm really clever I'll be able to get everybody who is a regular fan here mentioned in some way in one of the upcoming books, if there is some way to get your name inconspicuously fit in there somewhere!

(http://www.ebizlatam.com/foros/images/smiles/blushing.gif)

Cheers Louise! 
I absolutely can't wait for the next book! 
Well, I am sure we'd all like the Laramie Saga to continue indefinitely .. ::), but ..
I'll be happy as a pig in ---- as long as you keep going!  ;D

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As far as my health goes, I got lucky on the cough - it must have been either a side effect of my tooth problem or a simple cold, because I am getting over it pretty quickly.  I had a good night's sleep last night.  Unfortunately, my dentist had bad news for me today: I have an infection underneath the root of my most recent root canal, which is cemented beneath a fixed bridge.  Fixing it is going to be time consuming and may not be successful: the alternative is oral surgery or pulling the tooth out, which means losing a bridge I paid a whole lot of money for, and molars I can ill afford to lose bitability with.  So that wasnt good news, but there is hope.  And here I was hoping for an infected gum!

Shit Louise!  :-\  Did you decide which option you are gonna go with?  One of my neighbours had oral surgery last week and said it was not as bad or painful later as she'd anticipated.  Yer right after all, there is hope! Take it easy!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 10, 2006, 04:34:59 pm
oh I already decided I'm going for the root canal retreatment.  It is the most work but the least invasive and least risky.  I have a lot of confidence in my dentist, and I remember how rushed he was to do that root canal.  My roots are very long and very narrow, and I think he was convinced he couldn't get further down that root.  But I have had additional treatment done (before the crown was finalized) on a couple of other teeth, and it is worth a go.  Because oral surgery IS a risk, and I have broken jaw joints, so the less extreme the procedure is... the better.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 10, 2006, 04:49:59 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 10, 2006, 04:34:59 pm
oh I already decided I'm going for the root canal retreatment.  It is the most work but the least invasive and least risky.  I have a lot of confidence in my dentist, and I remember how rushed he was to do that root canal.  My roots are very long and very narrow, and I think he was convinced he couldn't get further down that root.  But I have had additional treatment done (before the crown was finalized) on a couple of other teeth, and it is worth a go.  Because oral surgery IS a risk, and I have broken jaw joints, so the less extreme the procedure is... the better.
Yes, definitely .. the less extreme the better ..  :)
Good to hear that you have confidence in your dentist, we absolutely will NOT want anything remotely close to this to happen to ya  ;D


(http://www.talkteeth.com/images/Picture2.gif)


You'll be fine!  :)  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 10, 2006, 05:11:11 pm
errrr Lucise,

it isn't too late for me to leave a certain name out of the next story if you post very many more of those dental graphics!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 10, 2006, 05:25:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 10, 2006, 05:11:11 pm
errrr Lucise,

it isn't too late for me to leave a certain name out of the next story if you post very many more of those dental graphics!!!


First and last, promise!  ;D
That has been my experience with a dentist or two.. ::)
You'll be fine Louise!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 10, 2006, 06:10:14 pm
Time for another pic? A day at the beach .. *sigh*
This one oughta cheer ya more than the freakish dentist one above, Louise!   ;)



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/a8bfc4b8.jpg)



Long live underwear models! lol..



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 10, 2006, 06:21:16 pm
OH Louise, sorry sorry you are going to have to deal with rootcanals--will be thinking of you.   Hope your bronchitus is better too.  Only have had to deal with that once and that was enough. Get okay soon. :D

I am thinking along the same lines as opinionista--I am betting Edna came with a land estate and Wes married into money, that may well be why she is so wise about advising Ennis about his situation with Ellery.   Wes may have had to do some adjusting too, not that he would have been a pauper or anything, but if he married her and she had an inherited land estate, the only ?? would be what they would do with it, as he doesn't want to ranch full time, just like Ellery.  That whole situation would work for me, but in truth, much as I love Wes and Edna--how they came to their situation really doesn't have any impact on the story, and doesn't make a difference to me or my understanding/reaading of it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 10, 2006, 09:32:33 pm
Cheer up Louise. At least you and Leslie managed to avoid by a whisker the chaos at Heathrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 10, 2006, 09:34:18 pm
On second thoughts, Heathrow is always chaotic, it's just a bit worse at the moment!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 10, 2006, 09:35:25 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on August 10, 2006, 09:32:33 pm
Cheer up Louise. At least you and Leslie managed to avoid by a whisker the chaos at Heathrow!

I know .. freaky ..  :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 10, 2006, 09:59:08 pm
Ellery in full (work!) undercover action mode. Note the dishevelled hair and determined expression!

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh_jackman2150.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 10, 2006, 10:27:50 pm
I have an LJ question:  if I post a reply to another reader's comment, do you still get notified about my comment Louise, or does the notification only go to the person I was replying to?

I don't really understand what's going on with your teeth... (teeth are not my medicine forte), but I sure do hope they get to feeling better soon!!

 :)
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 11, 2006, 03:28:39 am
Yes,  I get notified of all comments if they are on my livejournal page.  However, if the comment is anonymous, then Anonymous does not get notified if there is a reply.

Boring Cliff Notes on Root Canals

A root canal is the most time consuming treatment you can have on a natural tooth.  They do it when the nerve pulp has been breached or there is an infection at the root of the tooth (deep in the jaw.)  Usually you need a root canal if you have a root that is causing so much pain it makes you hit the ceiling.  I started having serious dental work at the age of 7, almost as soon as my permanent teeth came in, caused by not having adequate enamel on my teeth, and to date have had 17 root canals - so I have gradually become a layman expert on the procedure.

In root canal treatment they systematically remove all of the nerve tissue, the bulk of which is in the crown of the tooth, and then file out the nerve canals going down into the jaw, using tiny wire-like files. After removing the nerve tissue, they then sterilize and disinfect the canals (sometimes waiting a few weeks for the infection to clear up if there was a sizable area of infection at the root,) fill them with gutta percha (inert filling material), then fix a porcelain crown on the tooth.  Sometimes if the natural crown of the tooth is badly broken they will add a post to give the porcelain crown holding strength.  When I broke off two teeth in an accident, there was no crown left so the dentist made a post to hold the new crowns.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 11, 2006, 03:32:09 am
Quote from: ranchgal on August 10, 2006, 06:21:16 pm

I am thinking along the same lines as opinionista--I am betting Edna came with a land estate and Wes married into money, that may well be why she is so wise about advising Ennis about his situation with Ellery.   Wes may have had to do some adjusting too, not that he would have been a pauper or anything, but if he married her and she had an inherited land estate, the only ?? would be what they would do with it, as he doesn't want to ranch full time, just like Ellery.  That whole situation would work for me, but in truth, much as I love Wes and Edna--how they came to their situation really doesn't have any impact on the story, and doesn't make a difference to me or my understanding/reaading of it.

Well in fact the reason for Wes having a little training and sale operation is because it's something he intends to pursue in his retirement when he isn't the sheriff anymore.  That way if things turn ugly politically or he gets disabled on the job or something like that, he has his horse ranch to putter around on and keep a hand in.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 11, 2006, 04:58:02 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 10, 2006, 09:59:08 pm
Ellery in full (work!) undercover action mode. Note the dishevelled hair and determined expression!

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh_jackman2150.jpg)
I LOVE this one of Ellery!!

Thanks mm!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 11, 2006, 05:03:27 am
Thanks for the info on Root Canals Louise, I think, *shudders*  >:(

How are you feeling today?


Lucise - that pic,  A Day at the Beach is to die for! Thanks, once again!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 11, 2006, 05:06:40 am
Quote from: louisev on August 10, 2006, 01:51:28 pm
If I'm really clever I'll be able to get everybody who is a regular fan here mentioned in some way in one of the upcoming books, if there is some way to get your name inconspicuously fit in there somewhere!



Oh Louise! This is really exciting! Thank you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 11, 2006, 10:24:17 am
Lucise, are you going to add the green shirt pic to the gallery?  and the beautiful cover for the Laramie Saga?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 11, 2006, 01:38:56 pm
Quote from: scudder on August 11, 2006, 10:24:17 am
Lucise, are you going to add the green shirt pic to the gallery?  and the beautiful cover for the Laramie Saga?

Yap, I will Scudder!  Definitely .. :)


I got one pic for this page, for Kelly and all you H/H lovers out there ..  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/359e347a.jpg)

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 11, 2006, 02:18:05 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/90663.html  "Chapter 59:  Brothers"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 11, 2006, 06:08:51 pm
Where is everyone??  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 11, 2006, 06:11:38 pm
Still dreaming of the beach...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/d9065561.jpg)


*sigh*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 11, 2006, 07:06:24 pm
17 root canals?  <faints>  thud!

OMG!    I have had only one so far.  (knocks on wood)

My tooth wasn't infected, so they did the whole procedure in one LONG sitting.

As scary as the procedure sounds, it was relatively painless.   The worst part is having your jaw strapped open for like 3 hours while your upside down in the chair!   I remember having to pee real bad and you cant talk because you have too much equipment strapped in your mouth!    When they finished I almost knocked the Dentist over jumping out of the chair!   LOL.

The most painfull part is actually the BILL !  I recall it was over $1000 for a big rear molar, and that was in 1997!      I waited 5 more years until the old tooth cracked before I went back to have the post and crown installed.  That was like another $1000.


So all you young-uns,  brush and floss and never skip a dental appointment.   You'll be better off in the long run!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 11, 2006, 11:19:46 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 11, 2006, 01:38:56 pm
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/359e347a.jpg[/img]

Cool pic Lucise!  Wonder what Ennis is worrying about in the pic?  Ellery's money? Ellery's back??
=)
lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 11, 2006, 11:21:21 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 11, 2006, 01:38:56 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/359e347a.jpg)

 :-*

Ellery: Now don't go startin' to see red on me Ennis!

Ennis: Ya can't please this sumbitch can ya!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 11, 2006, 11:30:53 pm
Oh Lucise I forgot to say how the great the day at the beach pic was!

SPOILER:

Is everyone as excited as I am about the upcoming 'conversation' at the Red Stallion.  I think we may finally learn some real dirt on Dupree!  Anyone want to speculate??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 12, 2006, 05:42:19 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 11, 2006, 11:30:53 pm
Oh Lucise I forgot to say how the great the day at the beach pic was!

SPOILER:

Is everyone as excited as I am about the upcoming 'conversation' at the Red Stallion.  I think we may finally learn some real dirt on Dupree!  Anyone want to speculate??
OH YES! I'm SO excited! Squeeeee! (sorry Lucise  ;D :P) I can hardly wait! Will you update today Louise?? Before I leave??

I SO suck at speculating! I just think Dupree's confused as hell.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 12, 2006, 06:08:36 am
Great pics Lucise!

SPOLIER!
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   so Dupree gets Dumped eh?       This should be interesting.  While I can understand him wanting to talk to E&E about this, it should be noted that "straight" guys will never confess to being inadequate in the sack.   Let's see how E&E handle this while trying not to hurt Dupress ego.

 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 12, 2006, 06:32:18 am
I have to say... this is one for the record books.  Of all of the plot elements of this entire multiple-crime, multiple-suspect murder/kidnapping story, with an outstanding warrant on the man who shot Wilkes and Dupree, the only thing that concerns anyone is Dupree's sexuality!!!  Maybe in the next book I ought to give up the "CSI Laramie" aspect altogether...!

By the way, I'm up, having my breakfast (yes I know it's afternoon!), and idling in chat.  I'm still getting better from my cold you know.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 12, 2006, 07:05:34 am
Good Morning /afternoon Louisev!

    The CSI: Laramie saga is good too.   But I'll confess that I do find there have been a lot of plot twists and turns that leave my head spinning sometimes.  LOL

   I guess I like a nice mix of things in the story line.   I do enjoy E&Es leisure time.   The time out at Wes and Ednas ranch, the interaction with other characters, etc.  The sex is great, but I wouldn't want chapter after chapter to be just that either.

   Reading about Ennis being exposed to new things in a larger city would be fun too.   While I've never been to riverton, the town didn't strike me as being too big in the movie.    Now Laramie must be 10 times the size at least.

  Could you imagine the look on Ennis's face as he went into a shopping mall?    LOL.
Probably would be more people in the mall than he ever saw in Riverton!   Not to mention every item under the sun.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 12, 2006, 07:18:16 am
Actually, at this time, Riverton is a town of 10,000 people.  Laramie is 27,000 so it is just over 2 1/2 times the size of Riverton.  Not too much bigger so as to be a huge change for Ennis.

Now Denver... that would be a bit of a shock to ol' Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 12, 2006, 07:53:31 am
Weekend update:

Belbbmfan:  Leuven, Belgium (CET=EDT+6)
Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)  (what heat?)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Laurel:  Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Magicmountain:  Sydney, Australia (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista: Madrid, Spain (CET?=EDT+6)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)

Anyone else want to jump on board? Post it and I'll put you on the list!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 12, 2006, 08:04:43 am
SPOILER






I'm intrigued about how much money Ellery really has. The way he's said it, I think there's a whole lot more than he's told Ennis. But yes, the whole thing with Dupree has me waiting with bated breath to hear what he has to say about it. Is Dupree going to create a bump in Ennis' relationship with Ellery? Will Ennis discover feelings for Dupree that he has to deal with? I would hate to see it; the boys have enough to handle as it is.

Well, gang, I'm off to the North Carolina mountains for a week. I'm not a frequent poster, but you may not hear from me until I return next weekend (with my weekend update, if there are new additions to the locations list). I'm gonna die a slow death if I can't my daily dose of Laramie. This is the first vacation I've actually not wanted to go on. I'm having too much fun here! I will look high and low for a WiFi hotspot in that tiny town. Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 12, 2006, 08:47:22 am
Neat,

Have a great trip. I have had good luck finding wifi hotspots all over--let's hope you'll be lucky in your little NC town. Like you, I can't imagine being out of computer contact for a week, but as Louise can attest, I am truly addicted.

I, too, am looking forward to the conversation with Ennis, Ellery and Dupree. I hope there is no bump in the relationship b/w Ennis and Ellery b/c of or by Dupree. Louise and I talked about this. So many fics use infidelity on the part of one character as a way of testing, and in the end, strengthening the relationship. While it creates conflict and may make for a good read, I find it also gets overused as a plot device. It is also not the only way that couples mature and face challenges in their relationship. I have faith that Louise is a more creative writer and will not fall back on Ennis getting the hots for someone else--whether real or imagined.

And Neat, you win the spelling gold star award of the week with the correct spelling of BATED. Yeah!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 12, 2006, 09:01:27 am
awww that is so sweet.

Well quick, here is a send off chapter!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/90987.html  "Chapter 60:  State's Evidence"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 12, 2006, 09:05:43 am
Overused is sort of an understatement.  I am not sure I have seen any OTHER plot device used to illustrate Ennis's growing awareness of his homosexuality, or the development of conflict in an ongoing relationship with Jack in the AU world... it is sort of like the first trick out of the gate.  There is more going on with Dupree, but none of it is simple and he is a major character, and not a cheap plot trick!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 12, 2006, 09:07:14 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 12, 2006, 08:47:22 am
Neat,

Have a great trip. I have had good luck finding wifi hotspots all over--let's hope you'll be lucky in your little NC town. Like you, I can't imagine being out of computer contact for a week, but as Louise can attest, I am truly addicted.

I, too, am looking forward to the conversation with Ennis, Ellery and Dupree. I hope there is no bump in the relationship b/w Ennis and Ellery b/c of or by Dupree. Louise and I talked about this. Some many fics use infidelity on the part of one character as a way of testing, and in the end, strengthening the relationship. While it creates conflict and may make for a good read, I find it also gets overused as a plot device. It is also not the only way that couples mature and face challenges in their relationship. I have faith that Louise is a more creative writer and will not fall back on Ennis getting the hots for someone else--whether real or imagined.

And Neat, you win the spelling gold star award of the week with the correct spelling of BATED. Yeah!

Leslie

Well, I'm really hoping Dupree stays as he is: a good straight friend, other than Wes and Edna, who does not feel uncomfortable around queer men. I think it could help Ennis to overcome his fears of coming out of the closet entirely, and live openly as a gay man, realizing that not everyone has a problem with his being queer. I know he is pretty much out, but he is still somewhat afraid of the queer life. On the other hand, it'll be nice to see Ellery feeling jealous, for a change. Then Ennis could tease him too about that nice shade of bright green all over his face.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 12, 2006, 09:07:38 am
Quote from: louisev on August 12, 2006, 09:05:43 am
Overused is sort of an understatement.  I am not sure I have seen any OTHER plot device used to illustrate Ennis's growing awareness of his homosexuality, or the development of conflict in an ongoing relationship with Jack in the AU world... it is sort of like the first trick out of the gate.  There is more going on with Dupree, but none of it is simple and he is a major character, and not a cheap plot trick!

I like to think I did something a little different. Fred, Scudder may chime in with their thoughts on this....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 12, 2006, 09:07:50 am
Quote from: neatfreak on August 12, 2006, 08:04:43 am
SPOILER

I'm gonna die a slow death if I can't my daily dose of Laramie. This is the first vacation I've actually not wanted to go on. I'm having too much fun here! I will look high and low for a WiFi hotspot in that tiny town. Wish me luck!

Neatfreak, having been overseas for six weeks on holiday recently I know just how you feel. At each new location the first thing I would do was check out the nearest Internet access and then fit in an online session somehow to get my daily fix. This turned out to be a major exercise (involving cafes, Internet cafes, hotel business centres, libraries and one magical Internet cafe in Dubrovnik located outdoors amidst the trees in a local park). It was worth it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 12, 2006, 09:28:24 am
Of course, Leslie.  Ennis' relationship with Hal.  His visits to the nursing home and the deepening friendship leading to Hal coming home to die.  And...the last kiss of his life, with Ennis, and on the lips.  And the rainbow in the sky as Hal dies. Ennis acknowledged then that he was really, truly gay.  And so did a few others who were reading the story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 12, 2006, 11:07:49 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/91164.html  "Chapter 61: Woman Trouble"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 12, 2006, 11:50:03 am
Quote from: scudder on August 12, 2006, 09:28:24 am
Of course, Leslie.  Ennis' relationship with Hal.  His visits to the nursing home and the deepening friendship leading to Hal coming home to die.  And...the last kiss of his life, with Ennis, and on the lips.  And the rainbow in the sky as Hal dies. Ennis acknowledged then that he was really, truly gay.  And so did a few others who were reading the story.

Well, you knew I would want to get a word in on this, too, hunh? The deep friendship Ennis developed with Hal in A Love Born from Steel was no plot device. Jack was thrilled to see it happen; he realized that Ennis didn't make friends easily. Hal took an interest in Ennis as a person, and that sealed the bargain. Ennis realized that he could have fallen in love with Hal if he had been born years earlier. This realization enabled him to recognize and accept his own homosexuality.

In the Laramie Saga Ennis begins to recognize and accept his homosexuality gradually. As he falls in love with Ellery he is able to come out, at least to himself and his beloved. As he sees the acceptance of others, especially Wes, Edna and Dupree, he can come out of the closet more and more. It's a natural process, and I'm looking forward to seeing it unfold more and more.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 12, 2006, 11:51:08 am
Just a little visual treat to go with the chapter.    ::)

*note:  While there is no frontal nudity in this pic, it could still offend.   So if you are offended please PM me and I will remove it.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 12, 2006, 11:53:32 am
SPOILER




Louise,  How wonderful.  You sure know this sex thing. I have learned more these last few weeks than I ever did before. You are changing my life. I'm still bashful like Ennis but I am coming out of it much like Ennis is.  As Ennis goes, so I go!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 12, 2006, 11:59:15 am
Quote from: pastorfred on August 12, 2006, 11:50:03 am
Well, you knew I would want to get a word in on this, too, hunh? The deep friendship Ennis developed with Hal in A Love Born from Steel was no plot device. Jack was thrilled to see it happen; he realized that Ennis didn't make friends easily. Hal took an interest in Ennis as a person, and that sealed the bargain. Ennis realized that he could have fallen in love with Hal if he had been born years earlier. This realization enabled him to recognize and accept his own homosexuality.

In the Laramie Saga Ennis begins to recognize and accept his homosexuality gradually. As he falls in love with Ellery he is able to come out, at least to himself and his beloved. As he sees the acceptance of others, especially Wes, Edna and Dupree, he can come out of the closet more and more. It's a natural process, and I'm looking forward to seeing it unfold more and more.

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Fred, I am going to stop posting.  I'll just wait for your comments, and then say "ditto".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 12, 2006, 12:02:22 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on August 12, 2006, 11:51:08 am
Just a little visual treat to go with the chapter.    ::)

*note:  While there is no frontal nudity in this pic, it could still offend.   So if you are offended please PM me and I will remove it.   

David, don't remove it. Send some more!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 12, 2006, 12:04:59 pm
Please, please don't stop posting, scudder! It helps me to know that there is a kindred spirit out there. This time I want to echo something you said: "As Ennis goes, so I go." I feel so connected to Ennis in this story that I feel very much the same way. I'm going through significant grief work in my own life, and I find that I make progress along with Ennis. As Louise hoped it would, the story of Ennis and Ellery gives me hope and healing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 12, 2006, 12:18:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 12, 2006, 11:07:49 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/91164.html  "Chapter 61: Woman Trouble"

This was a delightful and much anticipated chapter!

In light of it I want to consider a little of Alfred Kinsey's theory of sexuality. He developed a scale of 0 to 6, where 0 was 100 percent heterosexual and 6 was 100 percent homosexual. Zeros and sixes are relatively rare. Most of us fall somewhere between one and five. On this scale it would seem that Dupree is a one or a two, Ennis is a four or five, and Ellery is a five or six.

What do y'all think?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 12, 2006, 12:22:29 pm
Quote from: scudder on August 12, 2006, 11:53:32 am
SPOILER




Louise,  How wonderful.  You sure know this sex thing. I have learned more these last few weeks than I ever did before. You are changing my life. I'm still bashful like Ennis but I am coming out of it much like Ennis is.  As Ennis goes, so I go!

which sex thing?  you mean the current chapter?  hehehe.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: alexisg on August 12, 2006, 12:33:53 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 12, 2006, 12:18:02 pm
This was a delightful and much anticipated chapter!

In light of it I want to consider a little of Alfred Kinsey's theory of sexuality. He developed a scale of 0 to 6, where 0 was 100 percent heterosexual and 6 was 100 percent homosexual. Zeros and sixes are relatively rare. Most of us fall somewhere between one and five. On this scale it would seem that Dupree is a one or a two, Ennis is a four or five, and Ellery is a five or six.

What do y'all think?


I'd put Ellery definitely as an almost 6, just based on what I know of him so far.  Ennis to me is closer to 5 than 4, even though I don't think he was ever really interested in women, on the whole.  I think the jury is still out on Dupree, but I'd hazard to guess he's more than iust a little curious.  He reminds me of a friend of mine, who always remarks about being 15% gay.   So I'd put Dupree around a 1 or 2 as well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 12, 2006, 12:48:21 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 12, 2006, 12:18:02 pm
This was a delightful and much anticipated chapter!

In light of it I want to consider a little of Alfred Kinsey's theory of sexuality. He developed a scale of 0 to 6, where 0 was 100 percent heterosexual and 6 was 100 percent homosexual. Zeros and sixes are relatively rare. Most of us fall somewhere between one and five. On this scale it would seem that Dupree is a one or a two, Ennis is a four or five, and Ellery is a five or six.

What do y'all think?


I'd say Dupree is 1, Ennis and Ellery are 6. Ennis had no real interest in women except to hide his true self.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 12, 2006, 12:54:48 pm
I'd put Ellery as a 6,  Ennis a 5, and Dupree a 2 or 3.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 12, 2006, 01:10:14 pm
Quote from: scudder on August 12, 2006, 12:54:48 pm
I'd put Ellery as a 6,  Ennis a 5, and Dupree a 2 or 3.

I'm with Scudder here ..  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 12, 2006, 01:28:13 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 12, 2006, 01:10:14 pm
I'm with Scudder here ..  :)

Ditto!    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 12, 2006, 01:32:36 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 12, 2006, 12:48:21 pm
I'd say Dupree is 1, Ennis and Ellery are 6. Ennis had no real interest in women except to hide his true self.

Somebody will tell me, I'm sure, if my impression is wrong, but I believe it would be extremely difficult for a Kinsey 6 to have sex with a person of the opposite gender. So Ennis would have to have been at least a 5.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 12, 2006, 02:40:40 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/91624.html  "Chapter 62:  Green"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 12, 2006, 03:39:59 pm
Okay folks, after short deliberation... a little look ahead.

I will be wrapping up "Shelter From the Storm" (much as I lurv that title) as soon as the boys can buy tuxes, get the Red Stallion back in operation, hire a new bouncer (yes!  perhaps we have casting for Mr. Hot Extra, Lucise!) Mr. Lance England, and get to Ben Tooey's wedding.

And all's well that ends well except of course for Amos Marigold, Brad Sevigny, and a host of bad Brotherhood guys.

I have finally settled on a title for the next book which will cover things settling down in the Sheriff's department, Ennis gathering up a new crop of fillies for the Brown Horse Ranch, reconciling with his daughter Francine, he and Ellery buying a new horse and taking that long anticipated ride up to Brokeback together.  The working title of the next book is  "The Long Way Home".  I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 12, 2006, 07:43:35 pm
Your plans sound excellent Louise.

Nice title, I think.
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 12, 2006, 07:49:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 12, 2006, 03:39:59 pm
Okay folks, after short deliberation... a little look ahead.

I will be wrapping up "Shelter From the Storm" (much as I lurv that title) as soon as the boys can buy tuxes, get the Red Stallion back in operation, hire a new bouncer (yes!  perhaps we have casting for Mr. Hot Extra, Lucise!) Mr. Lance England, and get to Ben Tooey's wedding.

 :D Yay!


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And all's well that ends well except of course for Amos Marigold, Brad Sevigny, and a host of bad Brotherhood guys.

I have finally settled on a title for the next book which will cover things settling down in the Sheriff's department, Ennis gathering up a new crop of fillies for the Brown Horse Ranch, reconciling with his daughter Francine, he and Ellery buying a new horse and taking that long anticipated ride up to Brokeback together.  The working title of the next book is  "The Long Way Home".  I think.

Sounds great Louise.  Lucky, lucky us!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 12, 2006, 09:08:46 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 12, 2006, 12:48:21 pm
I'd say Dupree is 1, Ennis and Ellery are 6. Ennis had no real interest in women except to hide his true self.


I don't believe that.   While it is true and obvious that Ennis loved Jack more than he loved Alma, I don't believe that he was without love  for her.  IT just wasn't the same.    He loved her as much as he knew how to at the time.  He just stated that he was concerned about her being satisfied enough when they were together, to learn and DO what would make her happy.
I do believe that he has been occasionally interested in women, and has already stated that some catch his eye occasionally.   Throughout the whole getting to know Ennis, through BBM, book, movie, and this Laramie Saga---he has never said he didn't love Alma, just that he never loved her like he did Jack, and now like he does Ellery.   But I do not believe that the only reason he was ever with Alma was to hide who he was.  HE may have not quite even understood who he was, but he wasn't hiding.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 13, 2006, 12:59:54 am
Quote from: pastorfred on August 12, 2006, 12:18:02 pm
I want to consider a little of Alfred Kinsey's theory of sexuality. He developed a scale of 0 to 6, where 0 was 100 percent heterosexual and 6 was 100 percent homosexual. Zeros and sixes are relatively rare. Most of us fall somewhere between one and five.
Even though 6's are rare, I would say that Ellery fits the bill.  Not only has he never been with a woman, and has no interest in it, he also seems to be quite grossed out by the whole idea! :P

I agree with ranchgal about Ennis.  I think he loved Alma, a little bit anyway, just not nearly as much as he loves Jack and Ellery.  In view of his revelations about Charlie's Angels in tight leather, and Emma Peel  ::), I would put him at a 4 or 5!

I suspect (hope?) we will learn more about Dupree soon, but for now I would say 1 or 2.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 13, 2006, 01:24:43 am
Quote from: louisev on August 12, 2006, 03:39:59 pm
I have finally settled on a title for the next book which will cover things settling down in the Sheriff's department, Ennis gathering up a new crop of fillies for the Brown Horse Ranch, reconciling with his daughter Francine, he and Ellery buying a new horse and taking that long anticipated ride up to Brokeback together.  The working title of the next book is  "The Long Way Home".  I think.

Yee Haw!! Book Five!! :D  Fast or, well, fast, I like the direction you're going!

The focus of the new book sounds great.  As much as I am enjoying "CSI: Laramie", crime stories and mysteries are not my usual thing.  That's just my own personal preference.  Mystery is not my favorite genre, but yours was obviously well written, hot, funny, and, oh yeah, did I mention hot?!!  It's been a lot of fun to read, and it's probably good for me to branch out a little.  Still, it will be nice to read about Ennis and Ellery getting away for a while, and I am looking forward to hearing more about Francine.  I also will be happy to see more of Ennis at work.  He seems to have had minimal self-confidence for so long (most of his life, really), and now he has something at which he is really, really good.  And other people recognize just how good he is.  This can only be a positive thing for his personal growth.  Can't wait to see how this all develops!

Laurel
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 13, 2006, 07:38:51 am
Quote from: ranchgal on August 12, 2006, 09:08:46 pm

I don't believe that.   While it is true and obvious that Ennis loved Jack more than he loved Alma, I don't believe that he was without love  for her.  IT just wasn't the same.    He loved her as much as he knew how to at the time.  He just stated that he was concerned about her being satisfied enough when they were together, to learn and DO what would make her happy.
I do believe that he has been occasionally interested in women, and has already stated that some catch his eye occasionally.   Throughout the whole getting to know Ennis, through BBM, book, movie, and this Laramie Saga---he has never said he didn't love Alma, just that he never loved her like he did Jack, and now like he does Ellery.   But I do not believe that the only reason he was ever with Alma was to hide who he was.  HE may have not quite even understood who he was, but he wasn't hiding.

I think there's a difference between loving somebody and being in love with somebody. At least in spanish we make that difference: querer a alguien vs. estar enamorado. It's not the same thing.

IMO, Ennis loved Alma, but he wasn't in love with her, not even in lust. He married her because he thought it was the right thing to do, and also to conceal his homosexuality from society and his family, I might add. While I agree that maybe Ennis to some extent didn't know who he was, he knew very well what turned him on, especially after being with Jack. How could he not? Ennis was in denial out of fear but as soon as he saw Jack, he knew what he wanted. As we all know he was afraid of being killed for being queer. And part of his behavior has to do with his childhood, with his father taking him to see the corpse of Earl.  IMO, if Ennis had grown up in a city and had more education, he'll be 100% gay, just like Ellery (Or at least 99.9%, since it's a fact that there are gay men who think some women are attractive but wouldn't have sex with them).

I've gotten to this conclusion because of his passion towards his male lovers. Ennis is extremelly passionate when making love to a man. There's a scene in the movie that speaks clearly about this. When Ennis is packing to leave to the mountain to "go fishing" and Alma makes the comment about the job opening in the power company, Ennis looks like a caged animal desperate to be set free into his natural habitat. He was also shown truly happy with Jack, just as he is truly happy with Ellery, and pretty miserable with Alma. And he used to penetrate Alma by the ass. That's in the short story and the movie. 

But Ennis out of habit and of need learned to like women to some extent. But it is not his nature. It's the same thing as with Dupree, but the other way around. He spent a great deal of time with women. First Alma, then Cassie, and had learn to like them, and to find beauty in them, and in being with them. But that's doesn't make him 80% gay, IMO. I think Ennis is 100%, maybe 99.99% but  I'd give him a 6 on Kinsey scale.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 13, 2006, 08:05:56 am
Quote from: ranchgal on August 12, 2006, 09:08:46 pm

I don't believe that.   While it is true and obvious that Ennis loved Jack more than he loved Alma, I don't believe that he was without love  for her.  IT just wasn't the same.    He loved her as much as he knew how to at the time. 

Ennis did certainly go thru the motions with her.  But when he and Jack were in the Motel, Ennis says that he "likes girls ok, but Geez it is nothing like how it is with you" (Jack) or something to that effect.

 
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He just stated that he was concerned about her being satisfied enough when they were together, to learn and DO what would make her happy.

Well, actually he said that he'd do those things if she made enough of a fuss asking.   Big difference than him doing it on his own.  And as mentioned, even when he was having sex with Alma, he preferred to have anal sex with her.  Again, thinking of HIS pleasure, not hers.

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I do believe that he has been occasionally interested in women, and has already stated that some catch his eye occasionally.   Throughout the whole getting to know Ennis, through BBM, book, movie, and this Laramie Saga---he has never said he didn't love Alma, just that he never loved her like he did Jack, and now like he does Ellery.   But I do not believe that the only reason he was ever with Alma was to hide who he was.  HE may have not quite even understood who he was, but he wasn't hiding.

Ennis knew a year after Brokeback that he "never should have let you out of my sights" meaning Jack.   So he knew by then he was in trouble.   And we saw how he treated Alma after the reunion scene.  Very distant.    Recall the scene where he almost forgets his fishing tackle box.  He doesn't even kiss her goodbye.  OUCH.    And at this point having sex with her is just a mechanical means of getting himself off.  And I'd guess it was far and few apart, as we know he prefers to masterbate while thinking of Jack.

As for Girls catching Ennis's eye?    I beg to differ there too.   Watch that scene with Cassie.  She looks pretty hot there at the jukebox.   But Ennis tries to walk right by her without looking once, let alone twice.   

After I came out to my parents, my mom told me she suspected years earlier because she's see female store clerks flirt with me and I never noticed!  Ha ha!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 08:57:42 am
I can see it both ways here, folkses... I'm not sure how critical it is to determine the extent of Ennis's gayness... but certainly there is a difference in how Ennis and Ellery view women and respond to them sexually, and I think that has at least as much to do with his experience as a homosexual in denial as it does with his "true nature" (whatever that really means...)  The nature of the conflict - or perhaps disagreement - he has with Ellery is enough to plant a seed of doubt in Ellery's mind as to whether Ennis has the same passion for Ellery as Ellery does for Ennis.  Which is what in our present chapter (the one I havent written yet) Ennis feels provoked into proving. There is certainly no doubt that Ennis has never felt the passion for a woman - any woman - that he has felt for Jack, and he has discovered that he feels an equally powerful passion for Ellery.

One thing I do wish to make clear:  one of my super-pet-peeves in fan fiction is "evil ugly Alma" and "evil ugly Lureen."  While Ennis certainly never had the same feelings of deep passion toward Alma as he did toward Jack (he had sex with Jack before he did with Alma, LOTS OF IT,) he did feel a great affection for her, enough for him to stay married to her despite the fact that he knew he wanted Jack in a completely different and much more powerful way.

One of my goals in my story is to illustrate what I thought was the original intent of Annie Proulx in portraying Alma AND Lureen as wives who were loved, as people, but not truly desired, because their husbands were already passionately in love with one another.

None of this applies to Ellery, of course, whose own temperament and psychology makes it completely impossible for him to imagine even kissing a woman, and in fact pull the potentially dangerous stunt of stealing Lance Wayland's drawers from gym class in high school.  If that means he gets a different number in the Kinsey scale then so be it... but it could also be chalked up to temperament and the early recognition of his homosexuality, which from all accounts, does vary between individuals.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 13, 2006, 10:14:59 am
Yeah well, but Dupree is right. Ellery shouldn't care who or what Ennis jerk off about. It's really none of his business.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 10:30:01 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/91763.html  "Chapter 63:  100%"


Warning:  Queer Sex
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: alexisg on August 13, 2006, 10:40:58 am
Quote from: louisev on August 13, 2006, 08:57:42 am
One thing I do wish to make clear:  one of my super-pet-peeves in fan fiction is "evil ugly Alma" and "evil ugly Lureen."  While Ennis certainly never had the same feelings of deep passion toward Alma as he did toward Jack (he had sex with Jack before he did with Alma, LOTS OF IT,) he did feel a great affection for her, enough for him to stay married to her despite the fact that he knew he wanted Jack in a completely different and much more powerful way.

One of my goals in my story is to illustrate what I thought was the original intent of Annie Proulx in portraying Alma AND Lureen as wives who were loved, as people, but not truly desired, because their husbands were already passionately in love with one another.

This is one of my pet peeves as well, Louise.  I believe that Ennis cared an awful lot about Alma, and was wracked with a lot of guilt for not being able to love her the way he should.   I don't buy into Alma going crazy on his ass (as is seen in a lot of fics) - any woman would be broken to discover her husband was not only gay, but that and maybe even more painful, that he is passionately in love with someone else.  I think that's what hurt Alma more, seeing Ennis display that passion that she never had with him.  It's part jealousy, part confusion and it just ends up in a whole lot of hurt.  Alma obviously wasn't an evil person - she was simply a woman who lost what she wanted most and perhaps realised she never really had it. 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: CarolK1943 on August 13, 2006, 11:15:55 am
Quote from: louisev on August 13, 2006, 10:30:01 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/91763.html  "Chapter 63:  100%"


Warning:  Queer Sex

Well, DUH! After about a million chapters that should be clear by now.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 13, 2006, 11:16:49 am
Quote from: louisev on August 13, 2006, 08:57:42 am
None of this applies to Ellery, of course, whose own temperament and psychology makes it completely impossible for him to imagine even kissing a woman, and in fact pull the potentially dangerous stunt of stealing Lance Wayland's drawers from gym class in high school.  If that means he gets a different number in the Kinsey scale then so be it... but it could also be chalked up to temperament and the early recognition of his homosexuality, which from all accounts, does vary between individuals.

Ellery and Lance went to high school together?  Did I miss something?  Or is that upcoming info?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 13, 2006, 11:17:24 am
Quote from: louisev on August 13, 2006, 10:30:01 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/91763.html  "Chapter 63:  100%"


Warning:  Queer Sex

Thanks for the warning Louise!!!
 :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 13, 2006, 11:16:49 am
Ellery and Lance went to high school together?  Did I miss something?  Or is that upcoming info?

different Lance.  But as a result of his early lust for Lance Wayland Ellery is very partial to men named Lance.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 11:26:53 am
*typity type type type*

I am here all by my lonesome in chat... Leslie is off to have a lobster meal with her neglected husband, Natali is cleaning up and doing errands, and here I am... chained to my keyboard, typing!

Anyone who wants to join me in chat, come on down!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 13, 2006, 11:31:54 am
Quote from: louisev on August 13, 2006, 08:57:42 am
One thing I do wish to make clear:  one of my super-pet-peeves in fan fiction is "evil ugly Alma" and "evil ugly Lureen." 
I totally agree with you and alexisg on this, Louise.  I see Alma and Laureen as victims of circumstance, and of the times in which they lived, just as much as Ennis and Jack were victims.  They both started out as idealistic young women in love, and slowly became bitter disillusioned middle-aged women.  They wasted some of the best years of their lives trying to gain the love of men who were incapable of loving them, at least in the way they wanted to be loved.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 13, 2006, 11:42:08 am
Great chapter, Louise!
Okay, okay, I take it all back, Ennis gets a six! :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 11:59:53 am
hahahahah!

I think it is possible that Ennis, by virtue of his own denial, may have functioned adequately in a heterosexual relationship... but I would take this to the bank, I don't think he ever had that kind of pleasure in sex with Alma.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 13, 2006, 12:35:32 pm
Greetings folks!!

Got a few chapters to go catch up on.. :)

Quote from: louisev on August 13, 2006, 10:30:01 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/91763.html  "Chapter 63:  100%"

Warning:  Queer Sex

Errr...I dint think there would be another kind in any chapter Louise .. ;D
Off to read ..

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 12:52:30 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/92047.html  "Chapter 64:  The Note"

and we're having a little E &E tea time chat if anyone else wants to join in!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 13, 2006, 12:57:02 pm
A pic for this page.

Ennis seems to be in a somber mood.. :)  But Ellery's there for him, right by his side!  :-*


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/19fc8896.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 13, 2006, 01:10:23 pm
Mmnnn... somber Ennis.  I love all moods of Ennis.
Beautiful pic as always, milli.
 :)
Not so sure I approve of Ellery's wardrobe however... lol

All these new pics are great.  Thank you so much!!

Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 01:22:23 pm
oh great fan pic Lucise, I am always amazed at how you come up with those!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 01:39:49 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/92283.html  "Chapter 65:  Friends"

Chock full of Wayne goodness!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 02:41:46 pm
Okay, I have fleshed out a few notes on the future direction of the Saga:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/92786.html  " Looking Forward:  Book V"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 13, 2006, 02:42:50 pm
Wow awesome Louise! :)


Btw, do we have a description for Sally?  She needs to git into the Gallery!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 13, 2006, 03:16:25 pm
Great picture, Lucise!  I kind of like the wardrobe. :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 03:42:25 pm
I want to know what Ellery's hand is doing down there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 13, 2006, 04:07:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 13, 2006, 03:42:25 pm
I want to know what Ellery's hand is doing down there.

Hehe.... I believe he is rubbing Ennis' leg.. :)


Quote from: laurel on August 13, 2006, 03:16:25 pm
Great picture, Lucise!  I kind of like the wardrobe. :D

Cheers Laurel.  I like Ellery's sweater..kinda 80's isn't it?  So I thought it might work .. :)


BTW, Louise, I finally saw a pic of you!  On your LJ avatar!!  :D



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 13, 2006, 05:12:12 pm
Yup, I put up an avatar of me, so people would see how wonderfully friendly and outgoing I am!

And I sort of figured Ellery's hand was rubbing up Ennis's leg.  He just can't keep his hands off that boy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 13, 2006, 08:09:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 13, 2006, 05:12:12 pm
Yup, I put up an avatar of me, so people would see how wonderfully friendly and outgoing I am!

We don't have to "see" you to know that Louise,
 ;)
But it is nice "seeing" you all the same.
 ;D
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 14, 2006, 03:36:57 am
Time doesn't stand still and much as we like the young Ennis, he is getting a bit older now. Do you folks think he may be starting to look a little like this?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/winnerPRP.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 14, 2006, 03:45:06 am
oh my... not yet Jo please, not yet...!

I see you have one of Ennis's patented Mr. Coyote quotes on your sig line... quite smartly done!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 14, 2006, 03:53:48 am
Quote from: louisev on August 14, 2006, 03:45:06 am
oh my... not yet Jo please, not yet...!

I see you have one of Ennis's patented Mr. Coyote quotes on your sig line... quite smartly done!

I think he looks quite hunky. But that's just me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 14, 2006, 04:18:16 am
hey Jo, if you are still around, and anyone else up at this magical hour, I am lurking in chat for a while, trying to get my mind off a rather loud headache.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 14, 2006, 09:45:31 am
Louise, i thought I would do a little rersearch.  So I went to Google and looked up the Kinsey scale.  Then I discovered there is a Klein scale.  Klein modified the Kinsey scale to 1 to 7 instead of 0 to 6, using the same definitions as Kinsey.  He went further, and stated that the scale should be aapplied to different stages in one's life, starting with the last twelve months, and then going back, applying the scale to various stages, e.g. adolescence, 20s, 30s, etc.  So...Ellery would be a definite 6 on the Kinsey scale and a definite 7 on the Klein scale.  So, I think that answers your question, Fred.

Ennis would be a 7 on the Klein scale for the last 12 months, but a 6 on the klein scale for the married period and a 7 for the Brokeback Mountain period.

Dupree on the Klein scale would be a 2 or a 3 for now.  What will develop for him is up to Louise!

Does this help or middy the waters?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 14, 2006, 09:52:31 am
I actually think that is very interesting, Scudder and didn't muddy anything for me. Thanks for this info!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 14, 2006, 10:01:16 am
It does reinforce my own belief that one's apprehension of one's sexual behavior and experience of it is subject to change, depending upon environment, relationships, and other factors, so I'd go along with that Klein scale model.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 14, 2006, 10:03:08 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 13, 2006, 02:42:50 pm
Wow awesome Louise! :)


Btw, do we have a description for Sally?  She needs to git into the Gallery!  :)

Sally, Sally... no, we dont have a description as yet.  If someone comes up with a Sally before I write the wedding chapter then she's yours!

Caveat:  she shouldn't be smoking hot though.  She is marrying Ben after all.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on August 14, 2006, 10:59:21 am
Louise,  Thanks for all the chapters this weekend!  Also the teasers for your next book.
I look forward to Ellery and Ennis getting used to each other, Enjoying each other.  I think the guys are as written are quite charming, and sometimes Humorous and even funny, (though not comical). They just have not had the time to enjoy each other yet!
Thanks 


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 14, 2006, 11:23:37 am
Hello folks!  Alberta chiming in this morning ..  :)


Can't wait to see what is in store for us today, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 14, 2006, 11:26:14 am
Some hot Aussie HUGH is always a good way to start any morning ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/e2bb06a4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 14, 2006, 11:30:40 am
Quote from: opinionista on August 13, 2006, 07:38:51 am
That's in the short story and the movie. 


I don't think that really says much, lots of couples do anal at different times, with different types of satisfaction with it.  Just depends on the people, speaking as one half of such couple.
HE also tells Jack outloud in the short story that he likes doing it with women too--it just isn't like doing it with Jack.   
So I don't think you are changing my mind any more than I am changing yours.
But I know what the book says too, and it never said he doesn't love Alma, that is simply someone trying to put thought patterns into the character on their own.
And considering a lot of what Annie wrote gives us leaway to do just that-to each their own.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 14, 2006, 11:58:51 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 14, 2006, 11:26:14 am
Some hot Aussie HUGH is always a good way to start any morning ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/e2bb06a4.jpg)

Where do you get these great pictures, Lucise?  Maybe you should start a separate Ellery gallery?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 14, 2006, 12:51:22 pm
Quote from: scudder on August 14, 2006, 11:58:51 am
Where do you get these great pictures, Lucise?  Maybe you should start a separate Ellery gallery?

Separate Ellery gallery, and make Ennis turn green again..no way Jose!  ;D


I am very excited about Lance England ...  :D  Anyone else excited? lol..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/1861ab52.jpg)


*Squeeee* .. (BigH ~ you got me squeeeing too..LOL)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 14, 2006, 01:14:57 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 14, 2006, 11:23:37 am
Hello folks!  Alberta chiming in this morning ..  :)


Can't wait to see what is in store for us today, Louise!


oh, all caught up are we?  Putting a little pressure on Our Author to make sure I deliver good quality slash today are we?

Well I have good news:  tomorrow is a Saarland holiday and I will be off tomorrow, which means I get to stay up late tonight and write MORE CHAPTERS.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 14, 2006, 01:25:09 pm
Why, Louise, that's excellent news!

*smiling from ear to ear .. ;D*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 14, 2006, 02:19:00 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/92942.html  "Chapter 66:  Wyoming vs. Marigold"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 14, 2006, 03:49:51 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/93329.html  "Chapter 67:  Boss Again"

Ennis finds there is more to interviewing than outerwear!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 14, 2006, 04:23:44 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 14, 2006, 12:51:22 pm
Separate Ellery gallery, and make Ennis turn green again..no way Jose!  ;D


I am very excited about Lance England ...  :D  Anyone else excited? lol..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/1861ab52.jpg)


*Squeeee* .. (BigH ~ you got me squeeeing too..LOL)




I think Louise stared at this picture for a reeeeaaaalllllyyyy long time before she wrote the latest chapter....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 14, 2006, 04:25:02 pm
 ;D ;D ;D ;D High fashion undies arrive in Laramie LOL.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/mwck.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 14, 2006, 04:28:42 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 14, 2006, 04:23:44 pm

I think Louise stared at this picture for a reeeeaaaalllllyyyy long time before she wrote the latest chapter....

L

Oh I did, I truly did.  Except I perked up his nipples considerably.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 14, 2006, 04:43:50 pm
Heehee..
can't wait to read the last chapter.. :)

MagicM~ Underwear models are very dear to my heart ..lol, cheers for Marky mark there!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RouxB on August 14, 2006, 05:20:00 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on August 14, 2006, 03:36:57 am
Time doesn't stand still and much as we like the young Ennis, he is getting a bit older now. Do you folks think he may be starting to look a little like this?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/winnerPRP.jpg)



Ennis is only 39-Brad Pitt is 40...

(http://pittcenter.com/gallery/data/media/233/oceans13_set01.jpg)

 O0
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 14, 2006, 05:43:55 pm
Actually, Ennis had his 41st birthday on July 5th.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 14, 2006, 05:58:19 pm
I should have dedicated chapter 67 to Lucise, who has been beaming all of those UNDERWEAR MODELS at me all this time and giving me the subliminal suggestion to have our new bouncer MODEL HIS UNDERWEAR!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 14, 2006, 06:39:18 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 14, 2006, 05:58:19 pm
I should have dedicated chapter 67 to Lucise, who has been beaming all of those UNDERWEAR MODELS at me all this time and giving me the subliminal suggestion to have our new bouncer MODEL HIS UNDERWEAR!

Hehe Louise, and look what Lance is up to now ..  ;D  This one's for you!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/48b1df85.jpg)


Louise ~  I loved Chapter 67..Ennis was downright sweating .. hehe.. ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 14, 2006, 08:58:58 pm
When I read the Lance and Ennis scene at the bar, I was reminded of this memorable quote from "Back to the Future"

Marty McFly: Calvin? Wh... Why do you keep calling me Calvin?
Lorraine Baines: Well, that is your name, isn't it? Calvin Klein? It's written all over your underwear.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 14, 2006, 09:02:25 pm
Howdy folks ~

I did I lil gallery update ..added some food, the horses, a yummy recipe for Cherry muffins.
I will do more updates later tonight ..will be adding some  E&E fanart pix ..
At the moment, i am starving and better go cook supper...  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 15, 2006, 04:09:56 am
Quote from: RouxB on August 14, 2006, 05:20:00 pm
Ennis is only 39-Brad Pitt is 40...


Brad Pitt will look 29 when he is 80!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 15, 2006, 08:01:46 am
As we are deep into hundreds of thousands of words in the Laramie Saga, I thought it might be fun to remember the first time we all met Chief Deputy Ellery J. Cantrell, who wasn't even the chief deputy at that point.....


Bill was smiling widely as the newcomer came up the stairs, Gene hanging on his arm, his flirtatious manner returned in force. "Nice ta see ya Cantrell, come on in and have some grub. This here's Ennis del... Mar, is that right? From..."

"Sage."

Bill startled. "You come all the way from Sage? Shit boy, you are a long way from home."

Ellery Cantrell was an imposing figure, well over six feet tall as he bowed his head coming up the stairs, and stretched to his full height, clapping Bill hard on the shoulder and thrusting out a large, square hand to Ennis, who rose and accepted it. He had long, almost jet black hair, offset by pale, light grey eyes and a pale complexion, like pictures Ennis had seen of Doc Holliday, the infamous outlaw. And lean, almost as beanpole thin as Ennis himself, his figure made sharper by the trim black shirt, jet black leather vest and coal-black denims. When he spoke his voice was as deep as Ennis's own.

"Nice to meet you, Del Mar. Name's Ellery, just call me that. Bill likes ta get all formal with the law."

Ennis blinked, not knowing what to say except "Nice to know ya," and sat back down, wondering what the hell was going on.

Bill caught Ennis's stare. "Ellery... here, is a sheriff's deputy here in town."

"One a four, it ain't exactly my exclusive domain, Bill," the older man added politely, nodding as Gene began to pile a plate up for him, his frequent looks at Ellery making it plain that Gene flirted with everyone. Ellery showed no signs of noticing Gene's manner, however.

"Oh," said Ennis.

"I called him to talk. Informally, about what we oughta do about Wilson."

"All right boys, now let me have a nice piece a toast and some eggs while you tell me just exactly what it was Pete supposedly said to get the ol' boy riled up, and what he said when he come down to the bar and then I kin get a better idea about what's all involved here. By the way, where IS Pete?"

"Grady's watchin over him at the presidential suite at the Rose."

Ellery nodded, his brows coming up. "That suite's what, eighty dollars a night Bill."

"Lincoln, actually, Bill," Ennis corrected, feeling foolish. What difference did it make what suite Pete was booked into? He reached for a biscuit while Gene began to shovel eggs onto his own plate, giving Gene one of his tight, barely-there smiles as a way to thank him, and realized with some chagrin that he was uncomfortable next to the big deputy, and for the second time, asked himself what the hell was really going on here.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 10:06:58 am
Romantic?

I got a couple of messages from a new reader, one at the end of "Taking Chances" and another in the middle of "Looking for Answers" (the 2nd book) "yearning for more romance and tenderness between E and E."

From those of you who have read further than the middle of LfA, did you find them getting more romantic?  Considering the amount of kissing and embracing going on I didn't ever consider there was a deficiency in the romance department here, but since someone is asking for it, I figured I would throw the question out.  Is this romance insufficiently romantic?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 15, 2006, 10:24:07 am
Not enough romance? How could we ever forget Ellery buying that bunch of roses for Ennis?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ellery.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 10:30:00 am
very true, very true.

Hey Jo, you hangin around?  Seems late at night in your part of the world?  I am in chat, and working on Chapter 68.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 15, 2006, 10:40:05 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 15, 2006, 10:24:07 am
Not enough romance? How could we ever forget Ellery buying that bunch of roses for Ennis?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ellery.jpg)



And don't forget, with the roses came the card....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/flowercard.jpg)


(and for those of you who said Ellery's handwriting looks like a doctor's...Louise gave her seal of approval to this card while we were in London.   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Polly on August 15, 2006, 10:59:10 am
Quote from: louisev on August 15, 2006, 10:06:58 am
Romantic?

From those of you who have read further than the middle of LfA, did you find them getting more romantic?  Considering the amount of kissing and embracing going on I didn't ever consider there was a deficiency in the romance department here, but since someone is asking for it, I figured I would throw the question out.  Is this romance insufficiently romantic?

I usually just lurk, Louise, but I wanted to say that I found 'Taking chances' infinitely romantic and tender, but without being corny or sentimental.  The basic themes are romantic in themselves (finding love when you think you'll never find it again, opening up to new possibilities).  But there's so much else as well - how open Ellery is about his feelings for Ennis from day one, how emotionally supportive he is to Ennis (especially round his guilt about Jack), the way Ennis looks after Ellery when he's crippled by back pain, all the physical contact (lots of kissing, hand-holding) that is as much tender and loving as sexual. 

Inevitably, the later volumes have got a broader focus so the emphasis is different, but, to me, the story remains centred in a relationship that is both tender and passionate.   This tenderness isn't just prompted by the more dramatic plot developments around danger, jealousy and insecurity (for example I love the wading-in-the-river scene which I suppose is a reaction to Ellery getting all angry about Beagle) - it's also shown in all the incidental pleasures of sharing your life with someone (breakfast in bed, having friends round for a barbeque). 

Of course, I'm biased because Ellery just does it for me as a romantic character!

Polly

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 11:29:22 am
Well that was a great confidence booster, Polly!  So you didn't find the earlier books to be deficient in the romance department then...!  Yes, we did have that bathing Ellery scene after he got injured didn't we?

thanks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 11:30:19 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/93926.html  "Chapter 69:  Reopening"

Full of Joe goodness!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 11:33:03 am
Howdy folks!    

I didn't get to do all the updates to the Gallery yesterday, so hopefully tonight! :)



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: CarolK1943 on August 15, 2006, 12:04:59 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 15, 2006, 11:30:19 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/93926.html  "Chapter 69:  Reopening"

Full of Joe goodness!

Ummmm, Louise?  Did you forget chapter 68?  Or is this really chapter 68?  Or did I somehow miss the post on chapter 68?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 12:51:35 pm
I posted earlier on 68:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/93633.html  "Chapter 68:  Assault at the Stallion"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/93926.html  "Chapter 69:  Reopening"

MODIFY:  No I never did post it!  Bad on me!  thanks for catching that Carol!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 15, 2006, 01:11:00 pm
Hi, guys!

The Internet has found Highlands, NC! I can access DSL at my brother's rental, and the local ice cream parlor has WiFi. If I have to eat homemade ice cream with mix-ins on a waffle cone in order to get my Laramie fix, well, so be it. I suffer for my art. Today's flavor: chocolate with cashews. Mmmmm.

Family's a little miffed that I can't get away from "work" while on vacation. But I assure them it's just fine. No trouble at all. Keep posting those updates, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 01:18:26 pm
Yay, welcome back neatfreak!  And you just work hard on eating that ice cream and I'll keep working hard on posting those updates!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 01:29:10 pm
Quote from: neatfreak on August 15, 2006, 01:11:00 pm
Family's a little miffed that I can't get away from "work" while on vacation. But I assure them it's just fine. No trouble at all. Keep posting those updates, Louise!

"work" indeed ..lol..life can be so hard sometimes can't it?  ;D

Not to be pushy or anything .. but Go Louise! Go!   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 02:26:26 pm
Did y'all realise we have past 2900 posts already?  :D
Redlinin' it all the way to 3000, we are!
Yeehaw!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 15, 2006, 02:36:23 pm
Quote from: Polly on August 15, 2006, 10:59:10 am
I usually just lurk, Louise, but I wanted to say that I found 'Taking chances' infinitely romantic and tender, but without being corny or sentimental.  The basic themes are romantic in themselves (finding love when you think you'll never find it again, opening up to new possibilities).  But there's so much else as well - how open Ellery is about his feelings for Ennis from day one, how emotionally supportive he is to Ennis (especially round his guilt about Jack), the way Ennis looks after Ellery when he's crippled by back pain, all the physical contact (lots of kissing, hand-holding) that is as much tender and loving as sexual. 

Inevitably, the later volumes have got a broader focus so the emphasis is different, but, to me, the story remains centred in a relationship that is both tender and passionate.   This tenderness isn't just prompted by the more dramatic plot developments around danger, jealousy and insecurity (for example I love the wading-in-the-river scene which I suppose is a reaction to Ellery getting all angry about Beagle) - it's also shown in all the incidental pleasures of sharing your life with someone (breakfast in bed, having friends round for a barbeque). 

I also found an internet cafe - mine is overlooking the ferry dock in Friday Harbor, Wa


Of course, I'm biased because Ellery just does it for me as a romantic character!

Polly


I also found an internet cafe - mine is overlooking the ferry dock in Friday Harbor, Wa

I agree with every word you wrote, Polly. The Laramie Saga is a rare balance of romance, drama, comedy relief, and CSI Laramie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 02:53:50 pm
Yowza Fred!

I was wondering why chat was empty earlier today and there you are!  I love to see how determined fans are to keep showing up and doing their duty to keep reading the updates!  Thank you all!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 03:01:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 15, 2006, 12:51:35 pm
I posted earlier on 68:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/93633.html  "Chapter 68:  Assault at the Stallion"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/93926.html  "Chapter 69:  Reopening"


Great chapters Louise!

Now, we just need a way to leave Lance and Dupree together .. for like an hour.. see what happens .. ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 03:04:00 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 15, 2006, 02:36:23 pm
I agree with every word you wrote, Polly. The Laramie Saga is a rare balance of romance, drama, comedy relief, and CSI Laramie.


Right you are Fred!  :)
Louise, I take it you are a CSI fan? 
I am into CSI LasVegas and Miami myself, and more recently into CSI Laramie!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 03:08:33 pm
Time for another pic ..

Ennis is busy working in the stables over at Wes' ranch.  Ellery decides to stop by for a quickie quick word with Ennis.  They are just starting to get into a nice 'rhythm' when Edna's voice calls out, "You boys care for some hot biscuits and coffee?"  Ennis is startled and shifts suddenly .. 
Ellery is .. well, amused!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/bb743b2e.jpg)


 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 03:23:01 pm
To tell you the truth, i havent watched American television in many years.  I believe I saw a few episodes of "CSI" the original version which takes place in Las Vegas, but not for several years.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 15, 2006, 03:37:14 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 15, 2006, 03:04:00 pm
Right you are Fred!  :)
Louise, I take it you are a CSI fan? 
I am into CSI LasVegas and Miami myself, and more recently into CSI Laramie!  ;)

I am a CSI fan, Milli!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 04:11:29 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/94196.html  "Chapter 70:  A Long Night"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 06:21:15 pm
I did some updates to our gallery ... Added some G-rated E & E pix  ;)

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.msg75214#msg75214

I am not done with posting the pix yet..
Look forward to a Riled-rated Gallery for all the ..ahem..naughty E&E pix.. 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 06:24:51 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 15, 2006, 03:37:14 pm
I am a CSI fan, Milli!

I am a major fan .. I watch reruns on practically every night of the week.
I have a lil thing for "Daddy" Gil Grissom's strong, calm, wise persona..lol..but Nick and Greg are the stuff of many a crazy fantasies, not necessarily fantasies of mine, but tons of people .. judging from the amount of the slash fiction out there about those two.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 06:26:24 pm
oooh, Rated "R" for Riled.  I like that.

For all of you fans who like my screwy Ellery sense of humor, I have made some new (unexpected) updates to the Photo Captions section for your humor pleasure:  

starting here

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3836.msg75203#msg75203

And special thanks to Jeanine (bbmfangirl) for egging me on to writing Chapter 70 tonight by  leaving me an LJ message saying "You are going to writing some more tonight, AREN'T YOU?"

Sometimes I just need a little egging on.



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on August 15, 2006, 06:29:38 pm
Hi E&E Gang,

I put a note under Anything Goes regarding my vacation, thought I should let you know as well.  I will be on vacation for a month starting this Thursday Aug 17th to Sep 17th, back to China to visit families, friends, and some sight-seeing.  I will be traveling to Beijing, Xi’an, Shanghai, Chengdu, Jiuzhaigou, etc., hence I won’t be able to access internet sometimes.  Guess what will be the first thing I do if I can get online?  You bet, I will be checking for Laramie Saga update.  It's always nice to read a chuck of chapters at a time.  ;D

You guys have fun with E&E.  I hope I can check in here from time to time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 15, 2006, 06:30:50 pm
have a great time, Jenny, and the stories will be here when you can check in or get back!  Bon Voyage!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 06:34:59 pm
 A vacation sounds excellent right about now ..  Safe, safe travels Jenny! 
Have an excellent time!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 06:38:41 pm
I just thought I'd mention that we've just past ..
20000 views!  :D

Go E & E!!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/98a1d3db.gif)   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 06:55:07 pm
Oh, btw way Louise .. as I started reading Chapter 70 I remembered ..
I've wanted to add No-Spleen-Pete to the gallery for a while, do we have a description of him anywhere?
I picture him as a thin fellow with brown hair, about 5,8 or 5,9..and well, no spleen..   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 15, 2006, 07:18:01 pm
Have a great trip Jenny!

Think of me everytime you get searched at the Airport!

Wait, that didn't sound right.....  LOL.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 15, 2006, 09:59:59 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on August 14, 2006, 03:36:57 am
Time doesn't stand still and much as we like the young Ennis, he is getting a bit older now. Do you folks think he may be starting to look a little like this?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/winnerPRP.jpg)



no??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 15, 2006, 10:08:00 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 14, 2006, 11:26:14 am
Some hot Aussie HUGH is always a good way to start any morning ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/e2bb06a4.jpg)

Also a great way to end the evening!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 15, 2006, 10:15:41 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 15, 2006, 10:06:58 am
Romantic?

I got a couple of messages from a new reader, one at the end of "Taking Chances" and another in the middle of "Looking for Answers" (the 2nd book) "yearning for more romance and tenderness between E and E."

From those of you who have read further than the middle of LfA, did you find them getting more romantic?  Considering the amount of kissing and embracing going on I didn't ever consider there was a deficiency in the romance department here, but since someone is asking for it, I figured I would throw the question out.  Is this romance insufficiently romantic?

Louise, I'm tempted to say, "never enough, never enough" here in this situation... no insufficiency on my end... it's just all the romantic moments are so incredibly amazing, i always want more!
 ;)
(I can remember along the way when there were a lot of chapters of Ellery at work, and the shit was starting to hit the fan, I was desperate to have E and E together again due to all the stress.  I didn't think anything was lacking in the story... it's just true to life... when things are going bad, you want the ones you love.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 15, 2006, 10:59:31 pm
Hi everyone,

I had a horrible day at work yesterday (patients not doing well) and just couldn't bear to read any 'real' conversation last night, though I did read updates.

It's nice to 'see' everyone again tonight.
 :)
Kelly

PS- Whatcha all think - should I update my avatar with the new Laramie Saga one Lucise posted??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 15, 2006, 11:59:04 pm
Hey Kelly..Go on..update your avatar ..

Here is another Happy and In Love E & E pic.. :-*


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/28680591.jpg)


Goodnight y'all!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 16, 2006, 04:32:13 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 15, 2006, 06:55:07 pm
Oh, btw way Louise .. as I started reading Chapter 70 I remembered ..
I've wanted to add No-Spleen-Pete to the gallery for a while, do we have a description of him anywhere?
I picture him as a thin fellow with brown hair, about 5,8 or 5,9..and well, no spleen..   ;)

right. His description is at the beginning chapters of "Taking Chances".  Likes to wear all black.  Sort of like a wannabe Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 16, 2006, 07:39:11 am
OK. That's Tatiana with Dupree and his new chum Lance. LOL ::)

(http://www.theepochtimes.com/news_images/2006-7-18-dupree.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 16, 2006, 08:25:33 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 15, 2006, 06:55:07 pm
Oh, btw way Louise .. as I started reading Chapter 70 I remembered ..
I've wanted to add No-Spleen-Pete to the gallery for a while, do we have a description of him anywhere?
I picture him as a thin fellow with brown hair, about 5,8 or 5,9..and well, no spleen..   ;)

In the interest of science, I have to point out that  a spleen-less person does not look any different from a person with a spleen. It is one of those  organs, like your appendix, that you can live without with no apparent side effects.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 16, 2006, 08:52:21 am
yes but Ellery is determined to imagine that no spleen Pete somehow looks different than Pete when he had a spleen. I  don't know why... it's just one of those little Ellery quirks... he will forever be "Pete with no spleen Pete."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 16, 2006, 12:59:42 pm
yes folks, I am in chat once more, typity type typing away on chapter 71, where as widely predicted, our heroes are busily getting naked.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 16, 2006, 02:56:51 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/94387.html  "Chapter 71:  A Time For Tenderness"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 16, 2006, 05:14:59 pm
I needed a little avatar change.....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 16, 2006, 05:23:43 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 16, 2006, 05:14:59 pm
I needed a little avatar change.....

L

Nice to have hot Hugh Jackman in our avatars, isn't it Leslie? He's such a sight.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 16, 2006, 07:19:16 pm
Nice avatars ladies!  ;)

I have been in meetings at work all day!  Thank goodness that is over.

Still have to get around to adding more pix to the Gallery.
Even though I have hi-speed internet at home, I have problems loading the gallery thread.  Does anyone else have trouble loading the thread?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 16, 2006, 08:15:16 pm
I added some more E & E pix to the Gallery!
Check 'em out when you get the chance!
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on August 16, 2006, 10:21:13 pm
Hello everybody, back from my holidays and rarin' to go  :D

Here's the plan: I plan to write and post Chapter 9 of my HI/TCJ AU fanfic Chiron (http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=4664.msg183476#msg183476") at the LJ humaninterest and brokebackslash communities, and then I'm taking a hiatus from writing for a little while.  Two reasons:

1.  My story timeline is currently 5 weeks ahead of Lori's TCJ timeline, and I'd rather be working when my timeline is BEHIND hers.  That way, when I throw in a Jack/Ennis interlude or when Jack calls Lureen, I'll have madlori's context to work from.  (I guess this sets my fic apart from the other two HI/TCJ AU fics; I want to be in the same storyline, only told from Lureen's and LaShawn's point of view).

2. I want to return to my first love, FANART.  This time around, I'm illustrating not one by three stories: madlori's Two Crows Joy, jenna's Somebody New, and louisev's ever-ongoing Laramie Saga.  That oughta keep me busy eh?  ;-)

I want to thank everyone who took the time to comment on my fanart and fanfic so far.  It's been great fun, and I do plan to return to Chiron sometime in the future.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on August 16, 2006, 10:22:45 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 16, 2006, 07:19:16 pm
Nice avatars ladies!  ;)

I have been in meetings at work all day!  Thank goodness that is over.

Still have to get around to adding more pix to the Gallery.
Directions to the Gallery?  I want to see!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on August 16, 2006, 10:25:45 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 15, 2006, 03:08:33 pm
Time for another pic ..

Ennis is busy working in the stables over at Wes' ranch.  Ellery decides to stop by for a quickie quick word with Ennis.  They are just starting to get into a nice 'rhythm' when Edna's voice calls out, "You boys care for some hot biscuits and coffee?"  Ennis is startled and shifts suddenly .. 
Ellery is .. well, amused!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/bb743b2e.jpg)


 ;)
Oh I LOVE this!! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 16, 2006, 10:28:47 pm
Hey Quip!
Great to see ya back!  I noticed you found your way to the Gallery already!
Enjoy!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on August 16, 2006, 10:33:20 pm
Oh Lucise I LOVE the work you've done!  This is my absolute fave:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/b5b9d94c.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 16, 2006, 10:37:09 pm
Thank you Quip!  :) 
I sure have been keeping myself entertained ..  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 16, 2006, 10:57:04 pm
Welcome back Quiplash!  I've been wondering where you went off to...
I'm glad you didn't leave us!
 :)
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 17, 2006, 12:54:16 am
I love the Hugh Jackman avatars!  I was thinking of doing that myself, but haven't gotten around to it.  Now I get to look at yours! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 17, 2006, 05:01:26 am
Quote
“Darlin,” Ennis said, looking down at Ellery as he thrust in once more, seeking that angle he had found with his fingers and now needed to give the ultimate pleasure...

Ellery’s smoky eyes fixed on Ennis’s face. “Yeah...” he breathed.

“I love you,” Ennis murmured.

To Ennis’s surprise, tears sprang to Ellery’s eyes, and his hands came up to caress Ennis’s arms and shoulders, giving light, encouraging touches. “I love you, Ennis...” Ellery gasped, moaning as his body was rocked by the sudden jolt of pleasure from Ennis’s change of angle.

Louise,

This is beautiful. Another favorite moment!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 17, 2006, 05:30:58 am
awww thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 17, 2006, 05:38:11 am
and I'm here doing boring things and lounging around in chat.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on August 17, 2006, 09:29:30 am
I got an interesting new offer in my email this morning at work, something more than the usual Viagra, or offers to make my penis bigger. Today I can buy cock rings. Not just any cock ring, mind you, but vibrating cock rings! Does anyone have Ellery's email address? He may be interested...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 17, 2006, 09:34:55 am
*whoa!*  I think Leslie has Ellery's address here somewhere... except I'm afraid it's the actual address of the Albany County Sheriff's office in Laramie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 17, 2006, 09:40:40 am
Quote from: louisev on August 17, 2006, 09:34:55 am
*whoa!*  I think Leslie has Ellery's address here somewhere... except I'm afraid it's the actual address of the Albany County Sheriff's office in Laramie.

Isn't it 87 Tourmaline Road, Laramie, WY?

Ellery doesn't have email yet, remember it is only 1984.

After all the hub-bub with Brad Sevigny, he had his business cards reprinted without his home address:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on August 17, 2006, 09:50:43 am
You're too quick for me, Leslie. I just realized what I said and was going to modify my post to ask for the phone number instead!

Thanks for the home address. I think it best if I don't contact him at work.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 17, 2006, 10:03:49 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 17, 2006, 09:40:40 am
Isn't it 87 Tourmaline Road, Laramie, WY?

Ellery doesn't have email yet, remember it is only 1984.

After all the hub-bub with Brad Sevigny, he had his business cards reprinted without his home address:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)

Leslie


I had email in 1984.             ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 17, 2006, 11:05:19 am
Quote from: pastorfred on August 17, 2006, 10:03:49 am
I had email in 1984.             ;D


In 1984, I had one of the original Osborne 1 computers, with an external monitor (there were only 300 of them made!). It had a modem which we could never get to work. I upgraded from that to an Osborne Executive, then a Zenith which had a whopping big 10MB hard drive (you read that right, folks, 10MB). I think I had email on the Zenith, through compuserve. Remember those email addresses? Something like [email protected]. "Real" email didn't really kick in until 1991 when I started working at the Muskie School at USM and I had such a nice, simple address: [email protected]

Of course, this has nothing to do with E&E--please forgive my walk down computer memory lane, I just like to reminisce.


L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 17, 2006, 11:42:11 am
Quote
He sat down at a work table, which had a computer terminal wired to large teletype, an acoustic coupler with a phone receiver pressed into as if it were permanently stationed there, and piles of papers. The teletype had a terminal for punched paper feed as well, all of which looked weirdly alien to Ellery. He gawked at it for a long moment before fixing his eyes back on Sevigny.

But Ellery doesn't know shit about computers. I think that was clear when he went to Brad Sevigny's place. So he can't have email, can he?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 17, 2006, 11:49:59 am
Quote from: opinionista on August 17, 2006, 11:42:11 am
But Ellery doesn't know shit about computers. I think that was clear when we went to Brad Sevigny's place. So he can't have email, can he?


You're absolutely right, Natali. I don't think Ellery even cares to learn about computers. Maybe he'll have email by the early nineties.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 17, 2006, 12:12:58 pm
Our Hugh/Ellery-of-the-Day ..  :-*


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/19d1116c.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 17, 2006, 01:23:25 pm
..And some Hugh/Heath Love for the day too ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/255f1386.jpg)


For some reason, Ennis Heath is always green ... :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 17, 2006, 01:58:44 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/94647.html  "Chapter 72:  Escaped"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 17, 2006, 02:53:27 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 17, 2006, 01:58:44 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/94647.html  "Chapter 72:  Escaped"

Great chapter as always Louise!
Coming up next - E & E go Tux-Shopping ..   :D
Can't wait ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 17, 2006, 04:26:59 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/94929.html  "Chapter 73:  Suiting Up"

Tux-Shopping, as promised.

Dedicated to "Mr. Tux" on John Fitch Highway, Fitchburg Mass.  Yes... there really was one!  That is where my former spouse got his tux for our star-crossed wedding.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 17, 2006, 04:48:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 17, 2006, 04:26:59 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/94929.html  "Chapter 73:  Suiting Up"

Tux-Shopping, as promised.

Dedicated to "Mr. Tux" on John Fitch Highway, Fitchburg Mass.  Yes... there really was one!  That is where my former spouse got his tux for our star-crossed wedding.

Woohoo..Our boys do look good in tuxes.. ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/b1c36b70.jpg)


(Sneaking off while at work to read Chapter 73 ..lol)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 17, 2006, 04:58:49 pm
Lucise - just one word:

  YES!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 17, 2006, 05:00:51 pm
Lucise -

I totallly agree with Louise! Please be sure to include this one in the gallery!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 17, 2006, 05:05:39 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 17, 2006, 05:00:51 pm
Lucise -

I totallly agree with Louise! Please be sure to include this one in the gallery!  ;)


Sure thing!
And no ruffled shirts here ..lol..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 17, 2006, 05:19:18 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 17, 2006, 04:48:57 pm
Woohoo..Our boys do look good in tuxes.. ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/b1c36b70.jpg)


(Sneaking off while at work to read Chapter 73 ..lol)

I am printing this pic and carrying it around with me forever...YUMMY!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 17, 2006, 05:23:39 pm
Lucise,

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the great pictures!  I thought it couldn't get any better than Hugh/Ellery in the leather jacket, and then I saw the next one, and THEN I got to the tux picture.  OMG, I love that one!  WooHoo is right! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 17, 2006, 05:27:51 pm
Quote from: DeeDee on August 17, 2006, 05:19:18 pm
I am printing this pic and carrying it around with me forever...YUMMY!!

 :laugh: You made me lol there Dee..

Cheers folks, I enjoy doing those pix, but I enjoy it more when y'all dig it too!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 17, 2006, 05:37:50 pm
While Ennis and Ellery fans "out there" hold fast in their belief that Ennis truly loved Jack and that his new blossoming love with Ellery does not taint or diminish the passion or reverence he has for Jack in the controversy beyond the little nest of Bettermost... it is very heartwarming to receive the wonderful comments, fanart, and encouragement and discussion here in the E&E thread.

I believe that Ennis could not have learned to love Ellery as much as he has without loving and losing Jack, and his heart being broken by the loss of the one thing he did not know he treasured, and that it was not until Jack had been taken from him that he truly understood not only his own feelings, but also Jack's feelings for him.  This is the tack I have used in approaching this story, and it is based upon close advisement by more than one person who has lost the one they have loved most deeply, only to find unexpectedly, a new life, new hope, and a new love that they can embrace, knowing that the lost lover would rejoice in their healing and moving forward.  That is who I have dedicated the Laramie Saga to, and that is who I am writing it for.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 17, 2006, 06:37:19 pm
I just put a poem in thePeoms from anywhere with BBM sentiments thread that says it too--I was going to put it here, but wasn't sure this was the right place!!

OMG LUCISE--you are totally outdoing yourself here with THAT fanart--OMG!!! SIGH
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on August 17, 2006, 06:55:31 pm
At the risk of causing a revolt, I have to say that I personally do not care for the Ellery with the long, over-the-shoulders hair.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 17, 2006, 07:05:22 pm
Quote from: tamarack on August 17, 2006, 06:55:31 pm
At the risk of causing a revolt, I have to say that I personally do not care for the Ellery with the long, over-the-shoulders hair.

On this thread, you're allowed to have and express almost any opinion. I picture Ellery with long hair, basically just over his ears, just long enough to gather into a small ponytail in back when he needs to look more conservative.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 17, 2006, 08:28:24 pm
For me, Ellery's hair has gotten longer over the course of the story, probably because he hasn't had time to go get a haircut.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 17, 2006, 09:25:15 pm
Quote from: tamarack on August 17, 2006, 06:55:31 pm
At the risk of causing a revolt, I have to say that I personally do not care for the Ellery with the long, over-the-shoulders hair.

No revolts here ..lol..
I might be a lil bit weary about long-haired Ennis..lol .. but  long-haired Ellery is just gosh darn sexy!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 18, 2006, 03:41:15 am
Quote from: pastorfred on August 17, 2006, 07:05:22 pm
On this thread, you're allowed to have and express almost any opinion. I picture Ellery with long hair, basically just over his ears, just long enough to gather into a small ponytail in back when he needs to look more conservative.


This more like it Pastorfred?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/Elleryhairbig.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 18, 2006, 04:36:35 am
Well, like most people with long hair (say for example, me) it doesnt really grow very fast, so Ellery's hair started out long (see Leslie's excerpt... "long, jet-black hair") but I suppose if you'd like to think "long" means just over his ears... go for it!  It doesn't play too much into the plot until of course Ennis starts playing with his hair...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 18, 2006, 06:14:11 am
I picture Ellery's hair like Hugh Jackman's hair in my avatar but longer. Perhaps 4 inches longer.

I think men with long hair are sexy  ;D.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 18, 2006, 06:27:53 am
certainly to his shoulders... but everyone is entitled to their own "Ellery hair-length".  It's longer than Ennis's, and liable to tangling when he showers.  Which is why Ellery can never pull off the 5-minute shower that Ennis can!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 18, 2006, 10:20:57 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 18, 2006, 03:41:15 am
This more like it Pastorfred?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/Elleryhairbig.jpg)

Hmm. Oh, my! You've come very close to displaying a photograph of my inner Ellery.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 18, 2006, 10:32:50 am
Now ya done got me started! I just have to say a little more about that photograph of my inner Ellery. If we can keep the depth, kindness, wisdom and humor in the eyes, while making them slate grey in color, we have Ellery exactly as I see him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 18, 2006, 10:49:36 am
I am sitting here in the office, staring out the window when a truck pulls up to the fish place downstairs (my office is on top of a wholesale fish business). It's a little refrigerated seafood truck, here to pick up their supplies for the fish market and on the side it says: CANTRELL SEAFOOD. LOL, I am not making this up! I wish I had a camera...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 18, 2006, 10:58:48 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 18, 2006, 10:49:36 am
I am sitting here in the office, staring out the window when a truck pulls up to the fish place downstairs (my office is on top of a wholesale fish business). It's a little refrigerated seafood truck, here to pick up their supplies for the fish market and on the side it says: CANTRELL SEAFOOD. LOL, I am not making this up! I wish I had a camera...

Leslie

Well, Leslie, let's allow our imaginations to run wild. Didn't Ellery's father have a cousin in Maine? I was thinking he went into the seafood business. It's nice to think that the business has stayed in the family, or at least kept the family name.

                                                                           ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 18, 2006, 11:01:48 am
I don't wish to alarm anyone...

Over the past day, my tooth infection, which is supposed to be slated for root resection surgery in the immediate future (but is not yet scheduled) has reached a point of extreme discomfort.  My dentist wrote me an antibiotic prescription (I wish he had done that a week ago!) which we are both hopeful might bring the infection down some, but I am at a point where the anti inflammatories are just barely keeping me able to sit.

My point in telling you all of this depressing news is that when the pain gets to a certain point, I can't concentrate at all, and that means I may lose my ability to write.  Which means there may not be any updates.  I am hoping the antibiotics help and that I reach the surgeon on Monday, but if they don't... please bear with me, and look for me in chat, because one thing I tend to do besides eat anything in sight, is chat compulsively when I am in pain.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on August 18, 2006, 11:06:35 am
Ouch...been there Louise.  The antibiotics will help, but it may take 24-48 hours.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 18, 2006, 11:07:32 am
Quote from: louisev on August 18, 2006, 11:01:48 am
I don't wish to alarm anyone...

Over the past day, my tooth infection, which is supposed to be slated for root resection surgery in the immediate future (but is not yet scheduled) has reached a point of extreme discomfort.  My dentist wrote me an antibiotic prescription (I wish he had done that a week ago!) which we are both hopeful might bring the infection down some, but I am at a point where the anti inflammatories are just barely keeping me able to sit.

My point in telling you all of this depressing news is that when the pain gets to a certain point, I can't concentrate at all, and that means I may lose my ability to write.  Which means there may not be any updates.  I am hoping the antibiotics help and that I reach the surgeon on Monday, but if they don't... please bear with me, and look for me in chat, because one thing I tend to do besides eat anything in sight, is chat compulsively when I am in pain.

Don't worry about the updates Louise. Just take care of yourself, get some rest and take the antibiotics. The story can wait, don't worry.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 18, 2006, 11:25:40 am
Thanks for those good words, Natali! Those are my sentiments exactly, and, I'm sure, the sentiments of all Louise's loyal fans.

Also, Natali, did you notice that yours was the first post on our thread's PAGE 200?!

Yee Haww!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 18, 2006, 11:42:17 am
Morning folks!


Louise ~ Do focus on getting better, there will be plenty of updates when you are well and comfortable again.  We can all wait, your tooth can't.  Take care of yerself!  :-*


Happy 200 pages folks!
We are only a coupla posts away from 3000 posts here!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 18, 2006, 11:56:40 am
okay.  Antibiotics in hand, as well as some refreezable ice packs, which my dentist tells me will help with the pain.  So I have this pack strapped to my neck, and my pharmacist told me just how much of these ketoprofens I can take, and I'm battening down the hatches.  I sure hope I survive the weekend.

So now I am in chat, making spaghetti bolognese, and preparing to go ahead with the next chapter.  Come see me if you are around folks!  When it gets to be too much I'll retreat to the bedroom with ice.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 18, 2006, 12:05:00 pm
Louise,

I second what everyone else has said.  Your health and comfort are more important than updates.  Take care of yourself.  We can wait.  Hope you are feeling better soon.

Laurel
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 18, 2006, 12:07:15 pm
Another milestone is that Bettermost now has 600 members! 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 18, 2006, 12:11:06 pm
Louise ~ please don't try to pull an Ellery, take it easy!  :)


Folks ~ does anyone have Book 3 (A Second chance) in a word doc?  I would really appreciate it if you could email it to me.  I am going to Staples after work today to print Books 1 to 3 of the Saga ..  :D
Leslie, you sent me Books 1 and 2 before, do you have Book 3 now?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 18, 2006, 12:17:01 pm
I've got it lucise, just send me your email address by pm and i will send it in a zipfile.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 18, 2006, 12:17:13 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 18, 2006, 12:11:06 pm
Louise ~ please don't try to pull an Ellery, take it easy!  :)


Folks ~ does anyone have Book 3 (A Second chance) in a word doc?  I would really appreciate it if you could email it to me.  I am going to Staples after work today to print Books 1 to 3 of the Saga ..  :D
Leslie, you sent me Books 1 and 2 before, do you have Book 3 now?  :)

I do have book three and can email it right now...send me your address.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on August 18, 2006, 12:26:09 pm
Louise, 

Good thoughts, take care, and chew softly

Hallmark doesn't have a card for dental discomfort, I'm doing my best

Bob
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 18, 2006, 12:41:10 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 18, 2006, 06:14:11 am
I picture Ellery's hair like Hugh Jackman's hair in my avatar but longer. Perhaps 4 inches longer.

I think men with long hair are sexy  ;D.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 18, 2006, 12:49:00 pm
OUCH  i just had one of those thurs.   it was coming on for two weeks.  it was horrible.  it got to where the whole mouth was in such pain that i could not eat or drink.  mine was so heat and cold sensitive.  i got a different dentist to do the work because mine was on vacation.  he kept telling me what a champ i was during the proceedure.  i told him there was nothing he could do to me that would be as painful as what i already had.  so see if you can get it done sooner.  as soon as they did it NO MORE PAIN;;;;DID  the happy dance yea yea yea.   point is i feel your pain so get better soon.  i know how you feel.janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 18, 2006, 01:05:51 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on August 18, 2006, 03:41:15 am
This more like it Pastorfred?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/Elleryhairbig.jpg)
   i like the long hair. if he has just the scruffy hair, it only looks like he is late for a haircut. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 18, 2006, 01:14:17 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 18, 2006, 12:17:01 pm
I've got it lucise, just send me your email address by pm and i will send it in a zipfile.

Cheers Louise..

Leslie sent it to me!  Can't wait to get the Books printed!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 18, 2006, 01:18:02 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on August 18, 2006, 01:05:51 pm
   i like the long hair. if he has just the scruffy hair, it only looks like he is late for a haircut. 

Scruffy is right! Note the scruffy beard, too.

I think this picture was made just after Ennis and Ellery got back from one of their camping trips, before Ellery had a chance to clean up.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 18, 2006, 01:19:43 pm
Yee haw!!!!!  3000 posts!

(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/931/brokebackmtn18845ym.jpg)
(photo created by Roniabirk@StripedWall)

"Yee haw! Roped me an Ennis!"


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 18, 2006, 01:36:20 pm
Happy 3000 Posts!!  

 :D

(H and H on canvas ..   :P)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f48ae818.jpg)


 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 18, 2006, 02:06:44 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/95026.html  "Chapter 74:  The Bad Guys"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on August 18, 2006, 03:49:20 pm
Reflecting on the guys getting fitted for the wedding, Its a good thing the taylor didn't measure Ennis's inseam or ask him which way he dressed,  Ennis would have freaked out and Ellery would have had a good laugh!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 18, 2006, 06:17:46 pm
from my own experiences in the rental tuxedo world...they don't fit them to that extent.  After all, they aren't buying them, so the kind of alterations they make are to sleeves, shoulders , trouser cuffs.  That's how it was when my former husband rented his tux.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 18, 2006, 07:17:24 pm
Louisev,  don't worry about any E&E updates.    Get yourself fixed up first, or at least well medicated!   LOL.

Lucise can entertain us with plenty of E&E photos until then.    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 18, 2006, 07:20:24 pm
well after some timely help from anke (pipedream) I got to the emergency hospital here in Saarbrücken and got a nice big SHOT.  And a prescription for narcotics, which I will take when the shot wears off.  And I know how to get back there in case I need another shot!  And the best part is, I can go back there first thing Monday and have the surgery done immediately, which is the first available moment when the oral surgeon comes, which is what I need.

there was one update tonight - "The Bad Guys", but with the emergency room and all that, I don't have another chapter in me I don't think.  Even if I am comfortably numb at the moment.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on August 18, 2006, 07:53:10 pm
I hope that shot takes the edge off the pain for you, Louise, and you get everything sorted on Monday.  And don't worry about updating - we can all be patient and just hope you feel better soon  :) PJ x
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 18, 2006, 11:30:51 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 18, 2006, 10:49:36 am
I am sitting here in the office, staring out the window when a truck pulls up to the fish place downstairs (my office is on top of a wholesale fish business). It's a little refrigerated seafood truck, here to pick up their supplies for the fish market and on the side it says: CANTRELL SEAFOOD. LOL, I am not making this up! I wish I had a camera...

Leslie

Leslie yesterday I was sitting in a cafe and the guy in front me leaned over to reveal .... yup, the Calvin Klein lettering on the waist band of his undies. I had my mobile phone camera with me but I thought I might get arrested trying to take a photo up close! Are we inhabiting some kind of Twilight Zone here in which we are slowly being relocated into Laramie Land?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 18, 2006, 11:38:21 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 18, 2006, 10:20:57 am
Hmm. Oh, my! You've come very close to displaying a photograph of my inner Ellery.  :)


This photo first struck me because of the lovely expression in the eyes. Glad it resonated with you Fred.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 19, 2006, 04:21:55 am
Your Author update:

Thanks to the Mund und Kiefer-Klinik at the Saarbrücken hospital, I have some powerful narcotics in hand now, and woke after several long naps feeling better enough to believe that the antibiotics may have reduced the pressure.  If I feel like this after my next nap I think I may survive and carry on to the next chapter.

I'll be back in a few hours after my next installment of last night's sleep.  Thank you for all of your good wishes and reassurances, and I'll be looking for new fanart too, to cheer me up... say one of those reach around crotch grabbing shots... that remains my favorite of all of yours, Lucise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 19, 2006, 06:47:32 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 18, 2006, 11:30:51 pm
Leslie yesterday I was sitting in a cafe and the guy in front me leaned over to reveal .... yup, the Calvin Klein lettering on the waist band of his undies. I had my mobile phone camera with me but I thought I might get arrested trying to take a photo up close! Are we inhabiting some kind of Twilight Zone here in which we are slowly being relocated into Laramie Land?

Maybe....maybe....the guy delivering my water the other day (a new guy...lots of turnover in that job!) was good looking. No fall over dead gorgeous but certainly attractive enough. And then as he hands me the invoice, he gave me this incredible smile with his big blue eyes and said "Thanks." I thought to myself, okay, we can cast you as an extra in the Red Stallion, that's just where you'll fit.

I don't tend to have cops and cowboys coming to my office, so maybe the UPS man will start looking like Ellery and the fedex guy like Ennis. Hmmmm

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 19, 2006, 07:05:13 am
I am having a little Ennis and Ellery moment which I needed for 2100 posts! Yay!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 19, 2006, 10:01:03 am
Quote from: louisev on August 19, 2006, 04:21:55 am
Your Author update:

Thanks to the Mund und Kiefer-Klinik at the Saarbrücken hospital, I have some powerful narcotics in hand now, and woke after several long naps feeling better enough to believe that the antibiotics may have reduced the pressure.  If I feel like this after my next nap I think I may survive and carry on to the next chapter.

I'll be back in a few hours after my next installment of last night's sleep.  Thank you for all of your good wishes and reassurances, and I'll be looking for new fanart too, to cheer me up... say one of those reach around crotch grabbing shots... that remains my favorite of all of yours, Lucise!

Louise,

It's good to know that you're feeling better. Hopefully when you get up from your nap your tooth is no longer bothering you. See ya later at the chat.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on August 19, 2006, 11:02:29 am
Louise, I'm late getting here to say so but I sure hope you have the pain under control. It sounds as though you are doing better. And good luck Monday at the hospital.

My Ellery best-hair length would be between pastorfred's inner Ellery at the shortest (it took me a while to stop looking at his eyes, too!) and opinionista's avatar Ellery at the longest, with mainewriter's avatar being just about perfect. (You do have a knack for perfect avatars, Leslie. I hope you're taking good care of your Heath-in-hat while he's out of commission.  ;) )

Ellery's hair seems to be rather fine in texture, hence the tangling after he showers and the stringyness when it gets a little too long and perhaps hasn't been washed that day.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 19, 2006, 12:14:30 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/95458.html  "Chapter 75:  The One Who Cares"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 19, 2006, 02:49:40 pm
Quote from: tamarack on August 17, 2006, 06:55:31 pm
At the risk of causing a revolt, I have to say that I personally do not care for the Ellery with the long, over-the-shoulders hair.

(In my mind, it's not quite that long either...)
 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 19, 2006, 02:51:28 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 18, 2006, 10:49:36 am
I am sitting here in the office, staring out the window when a truck pulls up to the fish place downstairs (my office is on top of a wholesale fish business). It's a little refrigerated seafood truck, here to pick up their supplies for the fish market and on the side it says: CANTRELL SEAFOOD. LOL, I am not making this up! I wish I had a camera...

Leslie

Whoa...... crazy world.
 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 19, 2006, 06:29:00 pm
Ijust watched "A Knights Tale" for the first time.     As the movie ended, I switched channels to catch the beginning of "Swordfish" with Hugh Jackman!   

Looks like it is an Ennis and Ellery weekend after all!!!!   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 19, 2006, 06:30:27 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on August 19, 2006, 06:29:00 pm
Ijust watched "A Knights Tale" for the first time.     As the movie ended, I switched channels to catch the beginning of "Swordfish" with Hugh Jackman!   

Looks like it is an Ennis and Ellery weekend after all!!!!   :D

And what did you think of a Knight's Tale, David?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 19, 2006, 06:34:12 pm
Hi Leslie!

    I liked it.   But I will confess that I see Ennis not Heath in all his movies now.    The facial expressions, etc etc.    I kept wanting to see Jake/Jack run up to him and give him a big hug.     
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 19, 2006, 08:11:23 pm
Hiya folks!

I am very excited!  Ok so today, I picked up my beautifully printed and bound copy of the Laramie Saga, Books 1 to 3 from the Print Centre.  I am thrilled, all 887 pages and 55 bucks later..here it is .. :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/e2304142.jpg)


It is huge, even though the printing was done double-sided on each page..
Cheers Leslie for sending me them word docs!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 19, 2006, 10:34:52 pm
Looks really nice like that Milli--excellent!! :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 19, 2006, 11:11:17 pm
Milli,

That is so great!  I will eventually have to work on something like that for myself.  Thanks for inspiring me!  (And, Louise, of course, thanks for writing for all of us.  I hope you're sleeping peacefully and free of pain, by the way.)

Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 19, 2006, 11:21:39 pm
good god Lucise, that is immense!  Boy am I wordy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 19, 2006, 11:34:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 19, 2006, 11:21:39 pm
good god Lucise, that is immense!  Boy am I wordy.

Louise, it is huge!  ;D
As I was bringing it home, I kept thinking, I cant believe all this came out of Louise's head ... damn!
I am sooo excited!  Will start from the very beginning again tonight! hehee..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 19, 2006, 11:41:49 pm
neither can I!  Maybe that's why my head feels so empty nowadays!

Or maybe it's those pain drops....

By the way, I know the hour is outrageous, but I got some relief during the night and just started type type typing away.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 20, 2006, 12:18:44 am
Okay gang,

The sun is starting to come up, but I have finally had some pain relief and that means ... you guessed it, chapter 76.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/95652.html  "Chapter 76:  Ennis's Soft Side"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 20, 2006, 07:14:32 am
Yes, here I am again, your wounded author, the noontime meds have kicked in some and I am idling in chat and typity type typing away at chapter 77 as we wrap up at least a few of the loose ends of "Shelter From the Storm."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 20, 2006, 08:21:27 am
What a treat to wake up to a wonderful, touching chapter on this rainy Sunday morning.

Thanks, Louise.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 20, 2006, 08:25:11 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/95995.html  "Chapter 77:  A New Case of Murder"

For a quick guide to Ennis's TV Crushes:

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2928/gbplayboygc6.jpg)   

Gene Barry in "Amos Burke, Private Eye"

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8791/generayburntw9.jpg)

Gene Rayburn, host of "Match Game"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 20, 2006, 12:30:44 pm
 :laugh: :laugh: ;D  What a kill!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 20, 2006, 02:48:54 pm
Louise, you amaze me with updates even when you are sick!

Take it easy lady!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 20, 2006, 02:53:08 pm
Hey, everyone, I'm back from NC. What a great week in the mountains. My son and I took inflatable kayaks on whitewater on the Nantahala River. What a blast! A raft is much safer but not as much fun. I took the last two-part waterfall forward on the top part, backward over the lower part... and lived to tell about it. (Always better than sideways, according to the kayakers.) Our family had our first scavenger hunt competition, girls vs. boys, in this tiny town. Girls won, of course. Boys had to serve lunch to the girls. I could get used to this real fast. They've challenged us again for next year. As much fun as that was, I'm so glad to be back to convenient and reliable internet, ice cream notwithstanding, and Laramie.

Louise, I know that tooth pain can be the most pervasive there is. Nothing feels good until you get it under control. Here's hoping you get plenty of rest and proper treatment. We all want you to be in the best of health!

Okay, here's my weekend update on locations. Added a couple last week:

Belbbmfan:  Leuven, Belgium (CET=EDT+6)
Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Laurel:  Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Magicmountain:  Sydney, Australia (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista: Madrid, Spain (CET?=EDT+6)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)

If you don't see your name on this list and want to be added, you can post it – I'll read it, trust me – or PM me. I'll let you know that you're on the list and post it on weekends. Question marks indicate guesswork. Set me straight! So to speak.

NEWBIES:  Where in the world are you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 20, 2006, 03:03:24 pm

Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/96072.html  "Chapter 78: New Hires"

Between the beginning of this chapter and the middle I went back down to the mouth and jaw clinic and had an incision made because I have an abscess in my gum.  Apparently after the anesthesia wears off I will feel much better since the infection will have a place to drain, and the swelling should ease off.  Disgusting isnt it?  But I have to say... after reading a few people saying how Ellery being a marksman and a good shot is a turn on, there is something about a fearless surgeon getting in there with a scalpel and just cutting away for the greater good that I found sort of sexy.  I know... I must be delirious.  But holy hell, could that boy cut!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 20, 2006, 04:26:40 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 20, 2006, 03:03:24 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/96072.html  "Chapter 78: New Hires"

Between the beginning of this chapter and the middle I went back down to the mouth and jaw clinic and had an incision made because I have an abscess in my gum.  Apparently after the anesthesia wears off I will feel much better since the infection will have a place to drain, and the swelling should ease off.  Disgusting isnt it?  But I have to say... after reading a few people saying how Ellery being a marksman and a good shot is a turn on, there is something about a fearless surgeon getting in there with a scalpel and just cutting away for the greater good that I found sort of sexy.  I know... I must be delirious.  But holy hell, could that boy cut!

Louise, I agree with you... surgeons are sexy as hell.  They go in and "fix" things themselves... Of course, they can have pretty big egos too.

Can we cast the medical examiner?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 20, 2006, 05:14:53 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/96435.html  "Chapter 79:  The Dream Come True"

and that is I think all I have in me tonight.  I am hoping to get a little sleep with an ice pack on my face and be up for my meds at 4 a.m. (which is 10 east coast time) if anyone wants to check in and say hi!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 20, 2006, 05:21:08 pm
Some Hot Hugh for the day ...  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/12c12e5f.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 20, 2006, 05:29:41 pm
Milli, I think I might explode!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 20, 2006, 05:33:50 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 20, 2006, 05:29:41 pm
Milli, I think I might explode!

Kelly~ Some explosions are good, just ask E & E!   ;) :P

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 20, 2006, 07:28:45 pm
Now THAT is ONE GOOD picture---whew--SIGH ;D ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 21, 2006, 04:27:59 am
Lucise have we got Dairy Queen featured in the gallery? Maybe this restaurant is particularly appropriate:

http://reedrealestate.com/listings/commercial/5411.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 21, 2006, 06:10:33 am
All of your avatars are so great!

Well here I am again... I had an amazing turnaround in the pain this morning and fell dead asleep after logging out sometime after midnight Leslie's time, and she babysat me most of the night, which was very sweet of her if I do say so.  I managed to sleep quite restfully until about 9 a.m. when it was time to face the music.  Unfortunately, the prognosis from the surgeon is that my infection is far too severe to operate now and I have to go through a series of retreatments of the infection over the course of the next several days, and they hope that by Thursday or Friday the infection will have subsided enough for them to operate.  EGAD!  And if this pain doesnt let up it means I won't be at work either.  I am hoping I start to feel better ... soon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 21, 2006, 11:59:16 am

I know, and I'm thankful to know, that I'm not the only person who has conversations with our boys.  ;D

Yesterday, in the wee hours of the morning, I had an unusually vivid conversation. It's a bit off topic for this thread, so I posted my recounting of the conversation on my livejournal. If you're interested, here's the link:

http://pastorfred.livejournal.com/ (http://pastorfred.livejournal.com/)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 12:04:58 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/380deaba.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 12:05:52 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on August 21, 2006, 04:27:59 am
Lucise have we got Dairy Queen featured in the gallery? Maybe this restaurant is particularly appropriate:

http://reedrealestate.com/listings/commercial/5411.html

Duely noted MagicM.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 12:10:59 pm
A beautiful smile always cheers me up.  What about you?  :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/2ab09bd1.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/hl2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 21, 2006, 12:26:27 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 21, 2006, 12:10:59 pm
A beautiful smile always cheers me up.  What about you?  :)


Thanks, Lucise!

Both Ennis and Ellery have smiles that can light up a room!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 12:28:29 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 21, 2006, 12:26:27 pm
Both Ennis and Ellery have smiles that can light up a room!

Agreed Fred, agreed!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 21, 2006, 01:36:28 pm
Since I slept most of the day and am still waiting for the pain to let up so I can think enough to write, here is my contribution to the "Ellery Hair Length Question"

This is what I imagine Ellery's hair length to be, on the original Hugh head itself:

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6346/hj62gnh8.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 21, 2006, 01:57:06 pm
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2091/jackmanbi5.jpg)

"Hey, sweetheart, c'mere."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 02:41:30 pm
yummy yum Ellery.. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 21, 2006, 03:19:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 21, 2006, 01:57:06 pm
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2091/jackmanbi5.jpg)

"Hey, sweetheart, c'mere."



OMG!!!! And just in case you didn't get it the first time.....OMG
 :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 21, 2006, 03:45:54 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

Yes, I did it! With a gash the size of a spoon in my gum!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/96717.html  "Chapter 80:  The Murder Weapon"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 21, 2006, 05:13:43 pm
  JOYOUS   great way to start a day
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 21, 2006, 06:36:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 21, 2006, 01:36:28 pm
Since I slept most of the day and am still waiting for the pain to let up so I can think enough to write, here is my contribution to the "Ellery Hair Length Question"

This is what I imagine Ellery's hair length to be, on the original Hugh head itself:

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6346/hj62gnh8.jpg)

That's definitely Ellery! So hot.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 21, 2006, 07:35:59 pm
Louise I hope they keep you on good drugs and antibotics and get you cleared up.
complications from surgery with mouth infection can be extremely horrendous, I am glad your surgeon is being cautious and not taking any chances with you!!  It may be a pain to deal with, but it is much better to get cleared up first.  Get well soon!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 09:53:52 pm
Folks,

We all know Louise is not feeling well and fighting a nasty infection in her jaw. I asked her today if she wanted me to light a few candles for her or perhaps start a thread with get well wishes. Even in her antibiotic induced haze, she was quite clear: NO teddy bears, kitty cats, or dogs doing cute tricks. What she needs to get better are HOT men, preferably Hugh and Heath, aka Ellery and Ennis.

We've got our marching orders, team.

Leslie
MW
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:21:22 pm
A contribution to the "get well soon" campaign...


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman_13.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:23:29 pm
Ellery says, feel better Louise...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:30:15 pm
We may need a Hugh, Hugh, Hugh! thread just for Louise....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh-jackman-5854.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:35:56 pm
And another....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Celebritym_134.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 21, 2006, 10:40:20 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:30:15 pm
We may need a Hugh, Hugh, Hugh! thread just for Louise....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh-jackman-5854.jpg)

[/quoteHOT DAMN  WOOOEE YA
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:44:27 pm
Oh, Ellery in a tank top...!?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/HughJackman1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:46:28 pm
Okay, so maybe he is not looking like Ellery but I did enjoy this movie. Hugh in "Kate and Leopold."

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/kate_e_leopold_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:48:56 pm
Ellery in his robe, doing a little pose against the wall...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 21, 2006, 10:51:21 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:44:27 pm
Oh, Ellery in a tank top...!?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/HughJackman1.jpg)


and beefy!!

you are getting me accustomed to long haired Ellery.  (i think i like Ellery better skinny than beefy though... shh don't tell anyone I said that...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 21, 2006, 11:01:40 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 21, 2006, 10:48:56 pm
Ellery in his robe, doing a little pose against the wall...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/thumb.jpg)


In a frame on the nightstand already...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Front-Ranger on August 21, 2006, 11:03:18 pm
Yeah, Hugh is nice...he even talks! But don't U have somethun to finish up over on the Performance thread, Mr. Ennis del Mar???!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 11:39:17 pm
Enjoy some animated HUGH.. :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/00457ad6.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 11:41:18 pm
No leaving out Heath, no way...  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/bf4443bf.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Daniel on August 21, 2006, 11:42:27 pm
Black is *so* the wrong color for him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 11:46:39 pm
Definitely beautiful..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/3b92cf77.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 11:52:11 pm
Quote from: Daniel on August 21, 2006, 11:42:27 pm
Black is *so* the wrong color for him.

whatever Daniel... :P I aint complaning ..  :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/5af53eca.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 21, 2006, 11:53:37 pm
hey guys, those Hugh pics were just luscious!  Thanks!

I am up to take my medicine and it was wonderful to look through these, and thanks for the animations, Lucise!  Sorry I couldn't do more than the one chapter today... it was one of THOSE days!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 21, 2006, 11:56:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 21, 2006, 11:53:37 pm
hey guys, those Hugh pics were just luscious!  Thanks!

I am up to take my medicine and it was wonderful to look through these, and thanks for the animations, Lucise!  Sorry I couldn't do more than the one chapter today... it was one of THOSE days!

Louise, you cannot apologise for being sick!  :)
Keep taking ya meds and get well soon!!
Hope the pix sooth a lil bit!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Daniel on August 21, 2006, 11:57:45 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 21, 2006, 11:52:11 pm
whatever Daniel... :P I aint complaning ..  :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/5af53eca.jpg)




You think I'm joking, run this pic through an aging/yellowing filter... He's an autumn. Ivories and browns will show off his skin and eye color more than that stark white and black will.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 12:01:10 am
Quote from: Daniel on August 21, 2006, 11:57:45 pm
You think I'm joking, run this pic through an aging/yellowing filter... He's an autumn. Ivories and browns will show off his skin and eye color more than that stark white and black will.

Danny ~ sometimes you gotta look past the clothes to the man underneath..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 22, 2006, 12:02:09 am
Quote from: pastorfred on August 21, 2006, 11:59:16 am
I know, and I'm thankful to know, that I'm not the only person who has conversations with our boys.  ;D

Yesterday, in the wee hours of the morning, I had an unusually vivid conversation. It's a bit off topic for this thread, so I posted my recounting of the conversation on my livejournal. If you're interested, here's the link:

http://pastorfred.livejournal.com/ (http://pastorfred.livejournal.com/)


Thanks for sharing that with us Fred. More than one poster has felt that the BBM story is so powerful because it is somehow based on a real story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Daniel on August 22, 2006, 12:04:04 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 22, 2006, 12:01:10 am
Danny ~ sometimes you gotta look past the clothes to the man underneath..  ;D

I'm just saying, a diamond in a velvet case is going to look better than a diamond in a cardboard box.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 12:14:10 am
More Luscious Hugh ..  :)
(Louise, are you feeling better already?  )


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/04ee73ce.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 22, 2006, 12:20:52 am
pain? what pain?  what a lovely violet shirt, Hugh!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 12:31:14 am
Quote from: louisev on August 22, 2006, 12:20:52 am
pain? what pain?  what a lovely violet shirt, Hugh!

That's more like it!  ;)

I gotta take off in a bit...I'll leave ya with these warm, bew-tiful smiles.. ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/7ac09995.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/hl2-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 22, 2006, 07:37:41 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hughjackman_narrowweb__300x4160.jpg)

She'll be right Louise. No worries!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 22, 2006, 07:57:16 am
Just a few Hugh facts: at 6' 2 1/2", he is the right height for Ellery. He was born in 1968 so he will be 38 this year...also the right age. Heath, at 27, is young for a 41 year old Ennis, but we know he can be aged well. Besides, love agrees with that boy so he can look like a very young 41, don't you think?

The buff/beefy Hugh seen in some of the these photos apparently is gone. He put on weight/muscle to play Wolverine in the X-Men movie. Now he's lost it all and is  slim and trim to play his current role in "The Boy From Oz." Perfect for us when we snag him to play Ellery!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 22, 2006, 08:22:30 am
Hey I am really right about my men aren't I?

Oh wait... I wasn't the one who proposed Hugh was I?  Who WAS THAT?

And Leslie, btw, there were THREE X-Men movies.  Not that I saw any of them, but I am thinking of making a couple of DVD purchases now that I'm a Hughaholic.

And don't let my high humor fool you... it doesn't mean that I'm feeling worse.  I actually haven't been online because I have had an almost-blissful day of sleep and got to the grocery store afterward.  And if my hand is any indication, I think the swelling has gone down.  Most importantly, I am getting through the medication periods.  It could be that this is a function of doubling the antibiotics as well. 

I am hanging out in chat, making some quick Hunan Chicken in a heat-up box on the stove, and I have a lovely fresh watermelon from the Turkish store and some seedless grapes, and if appetite is a measure of health improvement, I'm getting better!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 22, 2006, 08:33:24 am
This is young Ennis:

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/HBOCAE5aq25_Pxgen_r_360x240.jpg)

This is older Ennis:

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/heath_ledger_brokeback_mountain_200.jpg)

Heath Ledger is an absolute chameleon when it comes to changing how he looks. Just check out all the different scenes in BBM and he sometimes looks like completely different people!

PS. I read that Hugh Jackman studied at the University of Technology, Sydney and I have worked out that I was working there at the same time he would have been a student. Who knows, I could have been sitting next to the young Ellery in the uni cafe without knowing it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 22, 2006, 08:35:57 am
Quote from: louisev on August 22, 2006, 08:22:30 am
Hey I am really right about my men aren't I?

Oh wait... I wasn't the one who proposed Hugh was I?  Who WAS THAT?



If memory serves, I think it is was DeeDee. She found the Italian guy, first, then I think found Hugh as an alternative to whichever Carradine we were looking at.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 22, 2006, 09:43:26 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 22, 2006, 12:31:14 am
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/7ac09995.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/hl2-1.jpg)

I love these, they are quintessential (sp?) E and E to me... to bad they both won't fit in my avatar.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 22, 2006, 10:09:52 am
OK Louise. Here is the piece de resistance.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ellerydark.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 22, 2006, 10:14:00 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 22, 2006, 10:09:52 am
OK Louise. Here is the piece de resistance.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ellerydark.jpg)

OMG, yes! He is even wearing the right outfit...big swooning sigh...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 22, 2006, 10:28:44 am
*THUD!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 22, 2006, 11:00:17 am
black!!!!

Super, Jo!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 22, 2006, 11:34:29 am
mm - fantastico!!

can i quit my day job and just look at E and E all day long??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 11:48:43 am
That pic is for sure off the hook..
But when he flashes that smile.. I'm hooked!  :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/d8e4b643.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 22, 2006, 11:48:58 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/96811.html  "Chapter 81:  Open and Shut"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 11:49:50 am
One of my faves ... :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/b71645f4.jpg)


 :-*


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 22, 2006, 11:58:32 am
Just think, THAT FACE could have been lost to us and disappeared anonymously into the world of JOURNALISM!

EEEEK!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 22, 2006, 12:00:02 pm
Milli, can you get in there and photoshop those eyes gray? Can that be done? Please....?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 22, 2006, 12:01:37 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 22, 2006, 11:49:50 am
One of my faves ... :)

 :-*


No wonder he gets free muffins!       ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 12:13:18 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 22, 2006, 12:00:02 pm
Milli, can you get in there and photoshop those eyes gray? Can that be done? Please....?

L

It'll have to wait till I get home I'm afraid, my trial version of Photoshop I downloaded at work has expired.. :)
(and good thing too, it was getting quite distracting..lol)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 22, 2006, 12:30:57 pm
Okay Milli, next project (boy I am full of orders today!). Take the pictures in post 3089, 3094, and 3096 and do one of those animated things, will you? Thanks in advance,

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 12:35:32 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 22, 2006, 12:30:57 pm
Okay Milli, next project (boy I am full of orders today!). Take the pictures in post 3089, 3094, and 3096 and do one of those animated things, will you? Thanks in advance,

Yer welcome in advance ..  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 22, 2006, 01:36:33 pm
one day soon, Lucise, you are going to get your special dedication in the Laramie Saga.  I hope you're ready for it... just stay up to date on your chapters!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 02:25:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 22, 2006, 01:36:33 pm
one day soon, Lucise, you are going to get your special dedication in the Laramie Saga.  I hope you're ready for it... just stay up to date on your chapters!

I'll stay up to date..I will!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 22, 2006, 02:27:23 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/97235.html  "Chapter 82:  A Little Romance"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 22, 2006, 03:57:56 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/7ac09995.jpg)  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/hl2-1.jpg)


I'm so glad things are finally coming together for the boys, I just had to post their smiling faces again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 22, 2006, 04:27:49 pm
Some wet Ellery/Hugh goodness, especially for Kelly and Louise...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman_02-1.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman_01.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman_07.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman_10.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 22, 2006, 04:34:11 pm
Never enough pics, never enough.... :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 22, 2006, 05:04:35 pm
Thanks Leslie! (you have really made my day!)

Louise, no beard for Ellery okay?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on August 22, 2006, 06:10:39 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 26, 2006, 05:25:36 pm
There is no doubt that Jack and Ennis were deeply in love with eachother.   Even in the last scene together you see the sadness in Jacks face as he gets ready to depart.  Ennis will never forget about Jack.  I think most of us still carry part of our first love with us in our hearts.     But I truly believe that a person can love more than one person.   And often there are different types of love.  Love of partner, love of family, love of friendship. 
My mother, who is often a very insightful person, has likewise stated that it is possible to know true love with more than one person, indeed, that it is possible to have more than one soul-mate. This is likely to be as true for Ennis (and Jack, for that matter), as for anyone else. The question is, would Ennis ever give himself the freedom to share his heart with another after Jack's departure? If he could find the means to do so, this could provide some measure of happiness for him during his remaining time on earth.

David, I also like how you affirm the different guises that love takes. We often place a lot of focus on romantic love (especially when we don't have it!), but other forms of love can be rewarding in their own right and are equally important. I myself hope to find romantic love one day, but I am cultivating love for my fellow beings generally at the same time that I nurse that dream, recognizing that each person is a unique manifestation of spirit who has something of value to offer the world. Ennis has love for his children, and this could serve him in rendering his heart more open to others in general, whether or not he encountered romance again. It is in giving love that we receive love.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 09:27:27 pm
The dark-haired..grey-eyed boy of Ennis' dreams ...  :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/29380ce4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 09:30:29 pm
I have a treat for you E&E lovers tonight..
Are ya ready?  ;D
Well, without much ado...


Sexy Hugh ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/Anim/4ae57e4e.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 09:32:30 pm

WET and Sexy Hugh ...  :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/Anim/cf34a3e1.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 22, 2006, 09:33:50 pm

Sexy and a great dancer ... damn!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/Anim/2b43b9ca.gif)


YEE~HAW!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 22, 2006, 10:12:12 pm
 :o :o :o
OMG---you have REALLY outdone yourself today!!! OMG!! ;D ;D :o


Hopefully this is helping Louise feel better, I KNOW it is certainly entertaining me!!
And I can't quit smiling!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 22, 2006, 10:38:35 pm
notBastet, Mainewriter and Lucise:

 ;DWOW!! ;D What an amazing set of pics! I know what I'll be dreaming about tonight!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 22, 2006, 11:46:15 pm
Milli - you are utterly fantastic!  You know that right?  My heart is full of so much goodness right now I don't quite know what to do with myself!!

Kisses and rose petals at your feet!
 :-*
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 22, 2006, 11:51:55 pm
After all that exercise in the water Ellery needs to rest. Whether Ennis let's him is another matter!

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/elleryasleep.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 23, 2006, 02:29:01 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 22, 2006, 09:27:27 pm
The dark-haired..grey-eyed boy of Ennis' dreams ...  :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/29380ce4.jpg)
                                                                                                                                                 HOLY GOD IVE DIED AND GONE TO VIRTUAL HEAVEN
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 23, 2006, 05:03:01 am
Here I am, friends, popping up like a bad penny.

What a non-day I have had:  first, the foreign office.  They couldn't find my file and said to come back next week.  And I argued, but I have an operation coming up and my visa runs out at the end of the month.  And the guy laughed and said you wouldn't believe how many people come in late to get their visas renewed, don't worry about it.  They LOST my FILE?

Next, the hospital.  The doctor listened to my pleas to take out that packing GENTLY,and repacked it again, and I am definitely better, even though I have this nagging, constant and ONGOING pain, then I begged him some more for some REAL narcotic so I can have some real relief from pain, and I don't know what he wrote down (since I have never heard of it), but I'm going to give that a try, and when I get so sick of it I'll ration out my remaining drops of codeine.  But I slept okay last night, my operation is scheduled for Monday, my lump is down, and believe it or not...

I'm back at work.  So I might actually have some writing done later.  It must have been that ENTIRE DAY of browsing Hugh Jackman pics because I am certain that guy dancing and squirming around on top of a piano in my dreams had to have been him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 23, 2006, 06:31:40 am
Quote from: louisev on August 23, 2006, 05:03:01 am
Here I am, friends, popping up like a bad penny.

What a non-day I have had:  first, the foreign office.  They couldn't find my file and said to come back next week.  And I argued, but I have an operation coming up and my visa runs out at the end of the month.  And the guy laughed and said you wouldn't believe how many people come in late to get their visas renewed, don't worry about it.  They LOST my FILE?

I'm not surprised. I don't know how it works in Germany, but in Spain when you request a visa for the first time they ask you to provide copies of your documents, and you keep the originals. You have to show the originals there, but they keep the copies. When you renew it you have to show everything again as if it were the first time. The reason is that they have so many visa request to process that everything gets easily lost. Last time I went to renew my visa, I was supposed to show evidence of having a health insurance, but I had forgotten the card at home. So, they told me they'd send me a letter with an appointment for me to go back and bring it over. I never got that so called letter. Instead, I got a letter telling me that my visa had been approved. They totally forgot about the health insurance card.  So I wouldn't worry about it Louise. Just in case, when you go back, bring all of your original documents so they don't have to look for your file. If you can do that, of course.

I'm glad you're doing better already.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 23, 2006, 06:43:06 am
Quote from: louisev on August 23, 2006, 05:03:01 am
It must have been that ENTIRE DAY of browsing Hugh Jackman pics because I am certain that guy dancing and squirming around on top of a piano in my dreams had to have been him.

A scene from your dream Louise?

(http://www.playbill.com/images/photos/oz2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 23, 2006, 06:48:41 am
ah, uh, uh, uh, what a wonderful fit those black pants are!

You know what is sad is that the real Peter Allen was no pretty boy.  He was slender and could certainly dance, but he looked like a longer-nosed Quentin Tarantino.  Hugh is a whole lot prettier, in every way.

A review of the newly revived Sydney show of "Boy from Oz" says that Hugh's personality dominates the show so much that it could just as well be called "The Hugh Jackman show" and nobody would care!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 23, 2006, 09:27:43 am
I really love him with his Ellery hair...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hwdprem01.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/x2pre12.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 23, 2006, 09:29:02 am
Classic Ellery dressing

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hughoffduty.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 23, 2006, 09:31:53 am
This is my favorite from that fan site:

(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3625/empireonlinepk7.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 23, 2006, 09:39:35 am
I cannot get enough of this smile!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/x2pre2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 23, 2006, 09:44:46 am
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5549/nyc035te2.jpg)

Here is a lovely fan photo, looks like the same night.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 23, 2006, 10:08:01 am
well thank goodness for Leslie and her sense of time.... Somehow in the midst of my pain-wracked delirium I have Ellery working a 7 day week which means I have to rework chapters 80 through 82.

Please bear with us during our renovations...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 23, 2006, 10:48:29 am
Since Louise mentioned it, if anyone is curious, this is Peter Allen, the real "Boy from Oz."

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ps_the_cd72_1104.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on August 23, 2006, 10:50:58 am
Look at the outfit...OMG...I wouldn't wear that...even on All Hallow's Eve
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 11:36:19 am
Morning folks!  :)
Alberta chiming in this morning ..


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on August 23, 2006, 11:41:33 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 23, 2006, 11:36:19 am
Morning folks!  :)
Alberta chiming in this morning ..



Ah...Alberta--the holy land (following the recent ruminations on BBM being a nascent religion). I really cherish your presence here, Milli, and the Alberta connection is just icing on the cake!

 :)
Scott
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 11:50:39 am
Quote from: moremojo on August 23, 2006, 11:41:33 am
Ah...Alberta--the holy land (following the recent ruminations on BBM being a nascent religion). I really cherish your presence here, Milli, and the Alberta connection is just icing on the cake!

 :)
Scott

Cheers Scott!  :-*
The "Alberta Connection" definitely makes me feel like I live in Jack and Ennis' backyard .. :P
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 23, 2006, 12:28:44 pm
As much as I truly hate to do this... chapters 80 through 82 will be reworked, because I wrote too many days in the week again.  Since this is the second time this has happened, I am going to be forced to put days on my chapters from now on.

At least I can blame it on the fever and the infection... heheh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 12:38:12 pm
I wouldn't want Ennis Heath feeling left out with all the Ellery Hugh pix on here ...  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/b4ce42a6.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/c0257d9a.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 12:44:04 pm


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/cd989a80.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 02:39:10 pm
I am having a random underwear model thought just now ...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/1a62dca3.jpg)

Bear with me ... :P :P
(Maybe later I can get Lance to model it for me..hmmm...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 23, 2006, 03:25:09 pm
Okay folks.

Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/97760.html  "Chapter 80 (the NEW Chapter 80)"  All the Silly Horses
Saturday, September 8.

Takes place the morning after the shoe buying.  And before the solving of the murder.  All will be sorted out soon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 23, 2006, 04:00:20 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 22, 2006, 09:27:27 pm
The dark-haired..grey-eyed boy of Ennis' dreams ...  :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/29380ce4.jpg)

                                                         :o

Oh, mercy! Oh, my! This is Ellery Cantrell in the photons!

Those eyes! They can look into your soul. You can see the kindness, pain, wit, wisdom, and goodness of Ellery in them. Looking into those eyes, you want to tell him everything. Whenever this picture pops up, I can hardly take my eyes off it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 23, 2006, 04:10:40 pm
SPOILER!


Milli - did you see yet?? you get to be ridden by Ellery, you lucky girl you... I bet/hope Ennis will give you a try as well!

All right Natali - time for you to post your Paso Fino stuff!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 23, 2006, 04:59:41 pm
For those of you who are wondering what is a Paso Fino or a gaited horse, here is some information and pics:

History and Origin of the Breed

The Paso Fino has a proud past and is one of the oldest native breeds of horse in the Western Hemisphere. In 1492, Columbus discovered a continent without horses. On his second voyage from Spain, he brought a select group of mares and stallions from the provinces of Andalusia and Cordela, and settled them at Santo Domingo. These horses were a mixture of Barb, Andalusian and Spanish Jennet. The Spanish Jennet not only possessed an extremely comfortable saddle gait, but also was able to pass the gait on to its offspring. The result of the blending of these horses was horses with an incredibly smooth gait, which would evolve into the Paso Fino breed.

How did the Paso Finos come to the United States?

The first paso finos in the United States were imported from Puerto Rico by members of the armed services who were stationed in Puerto Rico and purchased paso finos while living there. Rather than sell these amazing horses when they left, they brought them back with them and this stock provided some of the first paso finos bred in the United States. Later a rancher went to Colombia and purchased quite a number of Colombian paso fino horses to work his cattle. This added the second strain of paso fino and while the two strains are still bred to retain their purity, they are also mixed to produce the best of both in this country.


The gait

The Paso Fino is a four-beat lateral gait, the birthright of every Paso Fino. Newborn foals struggle to their feet and take their first faltering steps in gait. The Paso Fino can walk freely, and many of them can perform a collected canter of a relaxed lope as well. It is essentially a broken pace: it is lateral, not diagonal. The cadence of the 1,2,3,4, beat is rhythmic with equal time intervals between hoof beat. There is very little up and down movement in either the croup or the shoulder of the horse. The gait is performed at three speeds with the collection decreasing as speed increases. Paso Fino means "Fine Step".

The three forms are :

PASO FINO Sometimes called "Fino - Fino" the classic show ring gait. It demonstrates rapid, steady, unbroken rhythm of the hooves with every slow forward speed. Performed with the horse balanced and collected.

PASO CORTO A more relaxed form of the gait that is commonly referred to as the natural Paso gait. Paso Corto is the ideal trail and pleasure gait, executed with only medium collection and light contact on the bit. Most Paso Fino horses prefer this gait to walking.

PASO LARGO The speed form of the gait. The same 1,2,3,4 rhythm must be maintained and the rider should appear motionless in the saddle as he should be at all speeds of the gait.


The Paso Fino is a versatile horse able to adapt to a variety of climates and purposes. Its aficionados claim that the Paso Fino is the smoothest riding horse in the world because of its natural, even, four beat gait that can be performed at varying speeds. A Paso Fino can, of course, walk in a free manner and may have a delightful canter

Some Paso Fino horses

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/milagro3.jpg)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/milagro.jpg)

If you want to see how they gait, the link below has some videos of Paso Finos trained for shows. Scroll down and you'll see the links to the videos.

http://www.pasopedigree.com/ (http://www.pasopedigree.com/)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 05:12:23 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 23, 2006, 04:10:40 pm
SPOILER!


Milli - did you see yet?? you get to be ridden by Ellery, you lucky girl you... I bet/hope Ennis will give you a try as well!

What?  Where?  When?  :D :D  Hawt damn!
Gotta go read .. I am still at work.. :)

Nice new avatar Kelly.. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 05:13:32 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 23, 2006, 04:00:20 pm
                                                         :o

Oh, mercy! Oh, my! This is Ellery Cantrell in the photons!

Those eyes! They can look into your soul. You can see the kindness, pain, wit, wisdom, and goodness of Ellery in them. Looking into those eyes, you want to tell him everything. Whenever this picture pops up, I can hardly take my eyes off it.


Amen Fred!  :)

DeeDee ~ You are fantabulous for suggesting Hugh as our Ellery!!!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 05:27:39 pm
“Come on Millie, canter for me,” and she raised her head, letting her legs fly out and took off at a lively canter. Ellery reined in almost immediately to the smoother gait, a wild grin on his face, and dismounted.

“What a horse!” he exclaimed, face flushed with excitement.


 :D :D

I can canter for E & E anyday!!!
Cheers Louise!  I get to be the fine horse of Ellery's dreams .. Oh, the thoughts of him riding me are ...well, frankly overwhelming in a very pleasurable way ...  :P ;D

Wahoo!!  ;D

Oh, by the way Natali, I had posted that first paso fino in the Horse Gallery under "Potential Horse of Ellery's dreams" ..  Umm, not to gloat or nothin', but that  would be me!!  ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 23, 2006, 05:56:38 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 23, 2006, 05:27:39 pm
Oh, by the way Natali, I had posted that first paso fino in the Horse Gallery under "Potential Horse of Ellery's dreams" ..  Umm, not to gloat or nothin', but that  would be me!!  ;D

I didn't know, but thanks for telling me.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 06:24:34 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 23, 2006, 05:56:38 pm
I didn't know, but thanks for telling me.  :)

Natali ~ I think it was destined to be, since we both thought of the same horse..
And as the said horse, here I am:  ;D


Quote from: opinionista on August 23, 2006, 05:56:38 pm

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/milagro3.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 23, 2006, 07:09:16 pm
If I were a horse Milli, we'd be dating by now...stunning my dear!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 23, 2006, 07:11:44 pm
Quote from: DeeDee on August 23, 2006, 07:09:16 pm
If I were a horse Milli, we'd be dating by now...stunning my dear!

Umm..Dee, technically, we are married!  ;D
Well, on the performance thread at least..if I proceed to play Alma..lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 23, 2006, 07:27:53 pm
Ok, let me get this "straight":

Me and You= Ennis and Alma   ::)

Daniel and Ray= Jack and Lureen  ::)

I'm already laughing like a fool...buckle your seat belts folks..... :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on August 23, 2006, 10:43:55 pm
Hey everyone --

I've been AWOL for a VERY long time...  But I'm back to say:  Louise, I'm caught up!  And this is after reading 37 chapters since Saturday.  Whew -- a hard job, but one I'm more than willing to do... given the time!  Fortunately I'm off this week, making it possible.

So, here I am, Let's discuss E&E!   LOL.

Lucise, gotta say I like the animated gif of heath.  Nice touch.

Also nice touch on the paso fino, Louse.  They are amazing animals.  Never ridden one myself, but they do make me crack up every time I see them do a demonstration!  I have ridden some other gaited horses, and it is definitely a whole different world.

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 23, 2006, 11:08:52 pm
It's too quiet around here for me tonight... so I'll throw this out.

Someone elsewhere noted that we do not discuss Jack and Ennis much on this thread.  Now I will grant that is true.  But I don't think it's due to lack of feeling/thoughts/opinions/etc. about Jack.  Rather I think we have other places to go to discuss Jack and Ennis.  But this is pretty much the only place we can discuss Ennis and Ellery without ridicule...

Others thoughts?

(Welcome back Monica, and wow that is a lot of reading.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on August 23, 2006, 11:14:09 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 23, 2006, 11:08:52 pm
It's too quiet around here for me tonight... so I'll throw this out.

Someone elsewhere noted that we do not discuss Jack and Ennis much on this thread.  Now I will grant that is true.  But I don't think it's due to lack of feeling/thoughts/opinions/etc. about Jack.  Rather I think we have other places to go to discuss Jack and Ennis.  But this is pretty much the only place we can discuss Ennis and Ellery without ridicule...


??  The thread is Ennis and Ellery.. seems clear to me what the topic is.  There are lots of other threads devoted to Jack and Ennis -- in all sorts of flavors.  I'm in favor of staying on topic.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 24, 2006, 05:09:15 am
Well, at the risk of answering critics who are too far afield to really worry about, the fact is that I have plotted the Laramie Saga as one in which Ennis learns to move on.  I have had a LOT of feedback from readers about how painful and tear-inducing the Jack flashbacks are, and I was extremely leery of including any police-level detail concerning the murder of Jack that would heighten the pain for readers.

In the first two books there were a lot of flashbacks and references, and in the third book, Ellery had his own ghosts of the past come up, putting him and Ennis on a more even ground regarding the power of the past.  But the third book takes in a rather compressed time period ,and the fourth book has so far taken place (up to the wedding weekend) in less than two weeks.  The next book is going to become more introspective, now that Ennis and Ellery's relationship is underway, and return to themes that were brought up in "Looking for Answers" about Ennis's unresolved guilt, Ellery's feelings of inadequacy in "measuring up" to the intensity of the love Ennis felt for Jack, the magical hold of Brokeback over Ennis, particulary over his erotic feelings.

But ultimately, Monica is right: this thread is about Ennis and Ellery.  The whole rest of the discussion board is about Ennis and Jack, and they don't know Ellery from a hole in the ground - and he is a worthwhile character in his own right, having brought some elements of experience to Ennis's life that are new and exciting for him, and (hopefully) for readers.

That having been said - I don't have any issue in discussing Jack in the context of the story, and it is certainly not discouraged here!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 24, 2006, 07:49:10 am
Here is Ennis tending a calf on Wes' ranch.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/newennispic.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 07:56:44 am
Quote from: louisev on August 24, 2006, 05:09:15 am
  The whole rest of the discussion board is about Ennis and Jack, and they don't know Ellery from a hole in the ground - and he is a worthwhile character in his own right, having brought some elements of experience to Ennis's life that are new and exciting for him, and (hopefully) for readers.

Definitely new and exciting for me as a reader Louise!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 24, 2006, 08:43:48 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 24, 2006, 07:49:10 am
Here is Ennis tending a calf on Wes' ranch.



you'll have to put a horsehead on that calf, Jo... Wes only has horses!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2006, 08:51:16 am
Quote from: louisev on August 24, 2006, 08:43:48 am
you'll have to put a horsehead on that calf, Jo... Wes only has horses!

Ohhhh, that sounds vaguely Godfather-ish to me...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 10:20:19 am
Fun with photos.

My humble abode, where I have done so much thinking/reading/etc. about Brokeback Mountain and E and E...  (hope this isn't too off topic).  The little window on the left (behind the tree) looks in to the computer room, where I spend the bulk of my non-work time...

[IMG]

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on August 24, 2006, 10:36:13 am
Need a roomate?  LOL  I love your little abode:)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 11:13:23 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 10:20:19 am
Fun with photos.

(sorry I don't know how to downsize the image, someone feel free to PM me)

Hey Kelly!  Lovely home you got there.. ;)
I downsized it for ya..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6d1bf43f.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on August 24, 2006, 11:22:23 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 24, 2006, 11:13:23 am
Hey Kelly!  Lovely home you got there.. ;)
I downsized it for ya..



Kelly, you can also reduce the display size of a photo simply by putting a width command into the img tag...  Like this:  (to make the lines below show in the message I had to put in spaces before the ending bracket in both the img and /img tags -- those need to be removed to make it 'work'.)  But this is a super easy way to control the display size of your photos.

[IMG width=200 ]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6d1bf43f.jpg[/img ]
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6d1bf43f.jpg)

[IMG width=400 ]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6d1bf43f.jpg[/img ]
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6d1bf43f.jpg)


And LOVELY yard, by the way!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 11:30:00 am
Scott - well, I have five roommates already, what's one more?  (the first five being three cats and two dogs.)  Now, if we could just get E and E to move in with us, we'd be all set!

Milli - I have to leave to drive in to work soon... I've decided to listen to some Josh Groban.  ;)

Random lunch time question of the day - does anyone know exactly the right amount of jelly to put on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?  (I bet Ennis does... anyone want to ponder whether the boys prefer creamy or crunchy?)

 ;D

(late add - thanks for the technical advice Monica!  i'll test it out momentarily.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 11:33:22 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 11:30:00 am
Scott - well, I have five roommates already, what's one more?  (the first five being three cats and two dogs.)  Now, if we could just get E and E to move in with us, we'd be all set!

Milli - I have to leave to drive in to work soon... I've decided to listen to some Josh Groban.  ;)

Kelly ~  I am listening to Josh as we speak!  :D
That boy is good for my soul...damn!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 11:35:21 am
Some Ellery/Hugh fix to start the day ...  :-*


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/8bfe2e76.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/25ab25b7.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 11:41:52 am
photo practice, a little reminder of what has brought us all here:

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/LSavatar.gif)

btw, I rent the house, and don't have to do any yard upkeep, thank goodness.  or it'd look horrible.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 11:47:46 am
Thank God for all this Aussie Hotness..yum.. ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/df33c0cd.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/f0c3fef0.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 24, 2006, 12:02:07 pm

Lucise!

I trust that you know how very much I love and appreciate your work with photos of our boys.

Please, please be sure to include the picture of grey-eyed Ellery in the gallery.

Hmm. That's almost poetic: Ellery in the gallery.         :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 24, 2006, 12:27:44 pm
You want to be able to taste the jelly and not have it overwhelmed by the PB.  I have to have enough jelly to cover the center of the sandwich without leaking over the edge.  AMount would depend on bread size, and if you cut off the crusts. LOL
I have to have creamy!   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2006, 12:33:55 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 11:30:00 am

Random lunch time question of the day - does anyone know exactly the right amount of jelly to put on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?  (I bet Ennis does... anyone want to ponder whether the boys prefer creamy or crunchy?)


I actually don't like peanut butter and jelly, but an all time comfort food sandwich is peanut butter and lettuce. It is best with a big glass of milk.

I know for a fact the Ennis prefers creamy and Jack did too. Maybe one day Ennis will introduce Ellery to the wonders of a peanut butter blowjob, since he is so into them right now...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 12:42:30 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 24, 2006, 12:33:55 pm
I actually don't like peanut butter and jelly, but an all time comfort food sandwich is peanut butter and lettuce. It is best with a big glass of milk.

I know for a fact the Ennis prefers creamy and Jack did too. Maybe one day Ennis will introduce Ellery to the wonders of a peanut butter blowjob, since he is so into them right now...

L

peanut and lettuce?  who taught you that?  (my grandmother always made peanut butter and banana sandwiches for us.)  i think ennis should leave the lettuce part out when he talks to ellery about peanut butter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 24, 2006, 12:50:11 pm
by popular demand:  I put this in the Photo Captions thread.  For those who find being a fan of the Laramie Saga a bit, shall we say, controversial.

(http://photos-n-07.facebook.com/n10/235/120/34600092/n34600092_30070454_7226.jpg)

"Yeah I read the Laramie Saga, is that a fuckin problem?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 01:26:55 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 24, 2006, 12:02:07 pm
Lucise!

I trust that you know how very much I love and appreciate your work with photos of our boys.

Please, please be sure to include the picture of grey-eyed Ellery in the gallery.

Hmm. That's almost poetic: Ellery in the gallery.         :laugh:


Yap, a gallery update is needed pretty soon!
I still have to add the DQ pic that someone (MagicM?) posted..
And of course, grey-eyed Ellery gets in there too!
Also gotta update Ellery's very own Milagro...aka..me..umm..Millie!  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 24, 2006, 01:43:20 pm
you are just tickled to death aren't you Milli?

hehehehehe. I knew you would be. I plotted and planned!

And now an update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/97995.html  "Chapter 81:  Vows"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 01:54:03 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 24, 2006, 01:43:20 pm
you are just tickled to death aren't you Milli?

hehehehehe. I knew you would be. I plotted and planned!


I am tickled pink!   ;D  And that's saying something! (I actually did a *Squee* on LJ when I read the chapter..lol)
Speaking of *Squee*, where is BigHeart these days?  ??? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 24, 2006, 02:31:45 pm
Bigheart June is in somewhere, Alberta right now, and should be flying home to Holland soon, which means she will be with us again in a few days I think.

By the way, I will be posting another chapter tonight.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 02:40:46 pm
I added some Ellery pix to the Gallery... :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 24, 2006, 03:02:57 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/98333.html  "Chapter 82:  Introspection"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 03:17:20 pm
click here:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.msg75216#msg75216
to see the boys dressed up again... and some other lovely pics as well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 03:36:05 pm
Ennis better not dress like this when he shows the Ruskins the horse...

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/87b4bc50.jpg)

(now I know that is not what Calico looks like, but I just wanted a chance to re-post beefy!Ennis in briefs and a cowboy hat)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 24, 2006, 03:46:13 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 12:42:30 pm
peanut and lettuce?  who taught you that?  (my grandmother always made peanut butter and banana sandwiches for us.)  i think ennis should leave the lettuce part out when he talks to ellery about peanut butter.


I love peanut butter and bananas sliced on toast!! One of the best.
Lettuce--no, but my hubby will use it on BLT+PB.
I only want PB and tomatoes with my bacon on toast, and if we don't have bacon it is still just as good.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2006, 03:54:16 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 12:42:30 pm
peanut and lettuce?  who taught you that?  (my grandmother always made peanut butter and banana sandwiches for us.)  i think ennis should leave the lettuce part out when he talks to ellery about peanut butter.


My grandmother. She'd make us both peanut butter and lettuce sandwiches. We also shared a love for black raspberry ice cream.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 24, 2006, 04:11:34 pm
I don't mean to dampen your peanut butter fun, but I hate peanut butter! Totally hate it, and peanuts too. My brother and my sister, however, totally love it, and couldn't see them having those sandwiches when we were kids, really. My brother used to eat it with a spoon too (and still does), right from the jar.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 04:16:28 pm
I love peanut butter in all forms..well maybe without lettuce ..lol..

Did any one try making this yet? (it is in the Gallery)


Chocolate-Peanut Butter Cup "Ellery" Pie

(http://www.ohannualrecipes.com/images/fr2.jpg)


Speaking of which..has anyone tried out any of the recipes we have in the Recipe Gallery? Anyone?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 04:23:39 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 24, 2006, 04:11:34 pm
I don't mean to dampen your peanut butter fun, but I hate peanut butter! Totally hate it, and peanuts too. My brother and my sister, however, totally love it, and couldn't see them having those sandwiches when we were kids, really. My brother used to eat it with a spoon too (and still does), right from the jar.

Um... on occasion, I still eat it from the jar with a spoon too... especially during the heat of my initial Brokeback fever days... when I couldn't be forced to stray from the computer long enough to prepare a meal.

Milli, sadly, I haven't made the pie yet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on August 24, 2006, 04:27:03 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 04:23:39 pm
Um... on occasion, I still eat it from the jar with a spoon too... especially during the heat of my initial Brokeback fever days... when I couldn't be forced to stray from the computer long enough to prepare a meal.

Milli, sadly, I haven't made the pie yet.

For me...it was macaroni and cheese...I ate the stuff and didn't have to use salt...my bawling over every bowl of the stuff sufficed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on August 24, 2006, 04:42:46 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 23, 2006, 12:44:04 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/cd989a80.gif)
The shot here of Heath in the striped shirt, with both thumbs resting near his lip, is quite possibly my single favorite Ledger picture yet outside the context of BBM.

 :D
Scott
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 05:08:40 pm
Okay folks..now for more entertainment ...  ;D

Cast Spotlight Moment ..
Today, the spotlight is on our very own Lance England ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Celebres/ccd72274.jpg)


Abit of background info ~  Mr England is played by a handsome model by the name of Ryan LeBar (a fellow Canadian.. :D), who hails from the province of Ontario, Canada!  Here are some of Ryan's assets..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Celebres/88f028af.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Celebres/87ec971d.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Celebres/2217c7d7.jpg)


Thank you Ryan for being part of the Laramie Saga.. :P


I am not nuts folks, trust me ..lol

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 24, 2006, 05:11:28 pm
Quote from: moremojo on August 24, 2006, 04:42:46 pm
The shot here of Heath in the striped shirt, with both thumbs resting near his lip, is quite possibly my single favorite Ledger picture yet outside the context of BBM.

 :D
Scott M.
                                                                                                                                                      GOD I LOVE THIS.....thank you
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on August 24, 2006, 07:57:05 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 24, 2006, 04:16:28 pm

Speaking of which..has anyone tried out any of the recipes we have in the Recipe Gallery? Anyone?  :)

Didn't we have Edna's cherry cake recipe or am I dreaming? I may be in the market for a cherry cake in a little while and I went looking for it one day, but maybe I didn't go back far enough. Will I find it if I persist?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 24, 2006, 08:17:24 pm
Quote from: moremojo on August 24, 2006, 04:42:46 pm
The shot here of Heath in the striped shirt, with both thumbs resting near his lip, is quite possibly my single favorite Ledger picture yet outside the context of BBM.

 :D
Scott M.

Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on August 24, 2006, 05:11:28 pm
                      GOD I LOVE THIS.....thank you


Well, here is the pic for you two.. ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/3f77c43a.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2006, 08:19:28 pm
Edna never made a cherry cake, but Mrs. John C. Twist, Sr. did. Here is her classic cherry cake recipe, easy and delicious. Ennis won't eat it, too many sad memories but if Ellery ever got a bite, he'd love it. "Homemade baked goods just slide down my throat...."

ELIZABETH TWIST'S CHERRY CAKE

Sift together:
 1 cup sugar
 1/2 teaspoon salt
 1 cup flour
 1 teaspoon baking soda

Beat one egg with fork.  Add to dry ingredients & blend.   Add 1 teaspoon vanilla. Drain 1 can red tart cherries (water packed) (approx. 2 cups) and add to the egg & flour mixture.  Add 1/2 cup nuts if desired.  Pour into greased square pan.  Bake at 350 for 45 min.
Note: Double above for 13 x 9 inch pan.

Serve with coffee.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on August 24, 2006, 08:35:35 pm
Thanks, Leslie. That looks just like the kind of simple recipe that Mrs. Twist (and I) would use, but are you sure there's only one cup of flour?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2006, 08:43:16 pm
Quote from: tamarack on August 24, 2006, 08:35:35 pm
Thanks, Leslie. That looks just like the kind of simple recipe that Mrs. Twist (and I) would use, but are you sure there's only one cup of flour?

I have to admit, I have never tested this recipe but as written, it is for an 8" x 8" square pan. For that, one cup of flour would seem to be correct, yes.

If you try it, give us a report back, willya?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: tamarack on August 24, 2006, 08:48:25 pm
OK - I'll get some cherries the next time I go to the store and let you know what happens.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 24, 2006, 09:44:38 pm
Long live the long hair...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 24, 2006, 09:46:53 pm
(http://www.celebrityoftheyear.com/images/celebs/hugh_jackman.jpg)


All right, got my mind off Jake for a while.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 24, 2006, 10:22:49 pm
Not that there's any reason you should need to get your mind off Jake... lol.

Hmnn... I bet Ennis dreams about Jack and Ellery... makes me kinda sad Ellery doesn't have a Jack to dream about.  Is that weird? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on August 24, 2006, 10:28:15 pm
Weird?  You're talking to straight woman playing a gay cowboy in denial in a "twisted" play who thinks Hugh Jackman and Heath Ledger are a couple.

Weird?  I think not, Kelly    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 25, 2006, 04:25:39 am
Quote from: DeeDee on August 24, 2006, 09:44:38 pm
Long live the long hair...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I AGREE                                                       janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 25, 2006, 05:10:38 am
On a Livejournal comment I received today.

I have outlined the next book's plot:  "The Long Way Home", about Ennis and Ellery taking a pilgrimage to Brokeback, so that Ennis can show Ellery the importance of the place, and of Jack, in his life.  That is why Ellery is buying a new horse, so they can ride up from the trailhead to the camp.  However, as we get closer to the end of "Shelter From the Storm" I am getting more and more LJ comments expressing disappointment and anger that Ennis intends to bring Ellery to "his and Jack's special place."

Here is one from today, and it is unfortunately, anonymous.

PLease do not take Ellery to Brokeback Mountain with Ennis. That is his and Jack's special place. Tell me something is Ellery the one true love of Enniss life?. I get the impression that Enniss is so much more in love with Ellery than he was with Jick. In fact I get the feeling that what they have the the real thing. I feel real sorry for Jack. I feel really angry at Ennis that it took a man he knew only hour to be the man he would move in with in say

My response is here:


I'm sorry you didn't register an LJ name so you won't get notified of this message, Anonymous.  However, I have outlined the plot for readers for how the next book will unfold.  The next story is entitled "The Long Way Home" and it will include Ennis bringing Ellery up to Brokeback, in part to show him what happened in 1963, and to explain the continuing importance of Jack in his life.

Let me explain now that this story is not to portray Ellery as Ennis's "one true love."  Ennis loved Jack, first and foremost, and that has never changed.  The reason Ennis is more demonstrative with Ellery is because of the torment he suffers from losing the love he had with Jack and not recognizing it for what it was, then.  And it is because of his love for Jack that he was able to recognize love again when he felt it.

If that makes you too sad to read on, you may want to avoid the next book.

My perspective, unlike that of a reader who can flip back to the beginning of "Brokeback Mountain" or start the DVD over, is that Ennis has lost Jack.  Jack is not coming back.  He can't get him back no matter what.  He is in the position of an inconsolable widow, who discovered love when his lover was killed.  This story is about loving again when there is no going back.  That is the story you are reading, and that is the story that will continue to unfold.

I would like to take a moment to urge people, if you find yourself angry about the idea of Ennis going to Brokeback with Ellery, or if you know people who are reading the story who are not happy with the storyline - not to go on with the story if you are uncomfortable.  I am writing for the pleasure and well-being of the readers, not to torment them, and I would not want anyone to read anything they feel uncomfortable about.  I have a very good friend who is a fan of my writing and loves it to pieces, and she skipped reading "Looking for Answers" because there was so much in it about Jack's death and Jack's killer.  We are still friends even though she skipped that volume.  So please do not feel you owe it to me to read any story or any part of any story out of loyalty.  Do what feels right for you.

Update on the plot:  My original plan was to conclude "Shelter From the Storm" with the wedding scene, but due to my own plot tangle, it will end shortly after the apprehension of the Brotherhood murderers.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 25, 2006, 05:55:45 am
Quote from: louisev on August 25, 2006, 05:10:38 am
On a Livejournal comment I received today.

I have outlined the next book's plot:  "The Long Way Home", about Ennis and Ellery taking a pilgrimage to Brokeback, so that Ennis can show Ellery the importance of the place, and of Jack, in his life.  That is why Ellery is buying a new horse, so they can ride up from the trailhead to the camp.  However, as we get closer to the end of "Shelter From the Storm" I am getting more and more LJ comments expressing disappointment and anger that Ennis intends to bring Ellery to "his and Jack's special place."

Here is one from today, and it is unfortunately, anonymous.

PLease do not take Ellery to Brokeback Mountain with Ennis. That is his and Jack's special place. Tell me something is Ellery the one true love of Enniss life?. I get the impression that Enniss is so much more in love with Ellery than he was with Jick. In fact I get the feeling that what they have the the real thing. I feel real sorry for Jack. I feel really angry at Ennis that it took a man he knew only hour to be the man he would move in with in say


I happen to like the idea of Ennis bringing Ellery to Brokebak. I don't think it means he loves Jack any less, or that is replacing Ellery with Jack. IMO, Ennis has to make peace with Jack ghost completely. Because no matter how happy he seems to be living with Ellery, he still feel guilty and bad about how things ended with Jack. Ellery is not only Ennis's new boyfriend, he's also Ennis's friend. A friend who has been there, holding his hand while he grieved.

Louise, throughout the story, Ennis has spoken a great deal about Jack, he has told Ellery everything about him, even some their most intimate moments. And Ellery has always listened, and has remained as his side. Furthermore, Ellery has gone all the way and has risked his life trying to solve Jack's murder. And as a result the whole Laramie police force has been having extra work, after Jack's murderer, Worrell came to Wyoming shooting his way in and trying to kill Ellery. Even Edna was in danger when Worrell showed up at Wes's ranch.  I even think that if he could, Jack himself would rise from his ashes just to take Ellery to Brokeback as gratitude for all he has done.

I disagree completely with that poster. If Ennis takes Ellery to Brokeback it doesn't mean Brokeback will become Ennis's and Ellery's place. IMO, Brokeback will always be Jack and Ennis's place, because the loved they shared that summer can never be replaced not even by Ellery's short visit to the mountain. I think you should stick to the plot you outlined.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 25, 2006, 06:01:47 am
I have not, and don't intend, to change the plot I outlined.    The update on the plot has to do with the fact that I overwrote the weekend, where my original plan was to end the current story after the wedding, it will now go a little further.

The plot of "The Long Way Home" will remain much as I described it.  If readers haven't figured out after 4 books and nearly 600,000 words that the story is about Ennis finding a new life and a new love, it's getting a little late in the game to discover that and become indignant.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 25, 2006, 06:07:17 am
Quote from: louisev on August 25, 2006, 06:01:47 am
I have not, and don't intend, to change the plot I outlined.    The update on the plot has to do with the fact that I overwrote the weekend, where my original plan was to end the current story after the wedding, it will now go a little further.

The plot of "The Long Way Home" will remain much as I described it.  If readers haven't figured out after 4 books and nearly 600,000 words that the story is about Ennis finding a new life and a new love, it's getting a little late in the game to discover that and become indignant.

Well, I'm glad you have the intetion of sticking to the plot you outlined. Whoever wrote that comment is not reading thoroughly IMO.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 25, 2006, 09:01:17 am

I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but part of my story touches on the question of Ennis and Ellery visiting the sacred mountain together.

My first marriage ended in divorce after my wife experienced cataclysmic personality changes that left a different personality in the same body. She was the great love of my life, and the person there now is my lifelong friend.

My second wife became a close friend of my first. The three of us had many good times together, visiting in each other’s homes, seeing places special to us all. I’ll never forget the moment my second wife and I told my first that we were about to be married. The first smiled and said, “Well, that’s the logical next step in your relationship.”

I’m sharing this to say that love and friendship are very fluid. One relationship does not threaten or weaken another that has irretrievably ended. Brokeback Mountain will not be less sacred after Ennis takes Ellery there. If there is any change, it will be more sacred. Memories of Jack are not diminished by Ennis’s recognizing that he and Jack shared a deep and true love. It works both ways: Because of his great love for Jack, Ennis was able to recognize true love when it was born in his heart for Ellery. Because he learned to name the feelings as love for Ellery, he was able to recognize that he loved Jack. Love begets love.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 25, 2006, 09:29:51 am
The bad news:

Yesterday morning I woke up with spots coming up on my face and itchiness: classic allergic symptoms for the antibiotic I was taking.  Even though my dentist had prescribed something in the "safe" family of cephalosporins, I was stuck in a dilemma.  I have an infection needing antibiotics, and I am allergic to the antibiotic now.  So I called my doctor and he told me to stop taking what I was taking, and give it 24 hours. If I worsen then he can give me the "safe" one I have used for the past 10 years.

A night and half a day went by, and I worsened.  Now I am using up my precious codeine as I wait to get out of work to rush to go get Cephalexin, and hope that I don't worsen too much more before the tried-and-true antibiotic kicks in.  More than this, there is a lingering possibility of developing an allergy to the old tried and true.  Which might make getting better from this infection problematic.  I know there are hundreds of antibiotics out there... but I am already allergic to a half dozen of the most-used and most-indicated.

In the midst of this I am still hanging fire on the Foreign office for my visa extension (which visa expires next Thursday.)  Even if it does come through, my contract customer here wants to reduce the rate on my contract in October, which means I should find another job, and my boss in Britain is putting the pressure on for me to take a different contract in Hertfordshire, meaning uprooting and jetting over there for 6 months.  Ai yi yi...

The punch line:  I hope I don't worsen so much that I have to stop writing again, but that is always a possibility.  The next few days look iffy, and my surgery is scheduled for Monday.  Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 25, 2006, 09:40:55 am
a member of the choir here Fred, but I still really liked what you had to say.  it's exactly how I feel.

especially this, "One relationship does not threaten or weaken another that has irretrievably ended."
of course that is much easier to say than understand sometimes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 25, 2006, 10:22:27 am
Is that anyone we know?

We have an opening for a new assistant D.A.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 25, 2006, 10:29:37 am
Quote from: Scott6373 on August 25, 2006, 10:06:11 am


Who could this guy play?   ;)  Hehehehehehe

Maybe he's your Ellery, but he sure ain't mine! I don't think we've cast Reynolds yet, either, but I picture him younger than this.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on August 25, 2006, 10:31:08 am
Whatch out and be kind Leslie...you never know who that is...LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 25, 2006, 10:38:17 am
Quote from: Scott6373 on August 25, 2006, 10:31:08 am
Whatch out and be kind Leslie...you never know who that is...LOL

Where did the picture go? Was that YOU???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on August 25, 2006, 10:41:00 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on August 25, 2006, 10:38:17 am
Where did the picture go? Was that YOU???

 ;)

I need to edit it
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 25, 2006, 11:48:07 am
Hiya folks!

Friday is here again..YAY!!
 
Louise ~ Dont you think it might be a good idea to take the weekend to get some rest and go in for your surgery on Monday feeling relaxed..   :)  If you absolutely insist on writing more updates, then we'll just have to live with that..  ;D but take it easy!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on August 25, 2006, 11:50:49 am
Quote from: Lucise on August 25, 2006, 11:48:07 am
Hiya folks!

Friday is here again..YAY!!
 
Louise ~ Dont you think it might be a good idea to take the weekend to get some rest and go in for your surgery on Monday feeling relaxed..   :)  If you absolutely insist on writing more updates, then we'll just have to live with that..  ;D but take it easy!  :)


Yes that is what you should do!!!!!  Spoken authoratatively
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: CarolK1943 on August 25, 2006, 12:41:14 pm
Louise,

Good luck with your new antibiotic and your surgery on Monday. 

Write when you feel better!

Carol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 25, 2006, 01:38:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 25, 2006, 10:22:27 am
Is that anyone we know?

We have an opening for a new assistant D.A.

These ladies wish to be considererd for the part.  They aren't hot but is not their job to be hot is it?  ;D

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 25, 2006, 02:52:35 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/98713.html  "Chapter 83:  A Touch of Desperation"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 25, 2006, 03:41:40 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 25, 2006, 02:52:35 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/98713.html  "Chapter 83:  A Touch of Desperation"

Oh Louise, you hit the nail on the head and pounded it in!  Ennis isn't the only one who feels that way.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 25, 2006, 03:51:54 pm
er thanks. I think!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 25, 2006, 04:15:34 pm
Allrighty Then!  (in the words of Ace Ventura...)

With the revision and adding of the new chapters 80 through 83, the previous chapters (now headed 84, 85, and 86) have gone through minimal morphing and now appear in proper order with a header noting that they have undergone minor editing changes, as follows

(**NOTE:  This chapter has undergone minor editing changes and revisions with the addition of new chapters 80 through 83)

If you are unsure whether you have the flow of events correctly, things were altered slightly at the end of Chapter 79, entitled "The Dream Come True", by adding three chapters following chapter 79.  You may wish to go back and reread from chapter 78 or 79 or so to get the full gist of events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.  You will recognize (since they are barely changed) chapters 84, 85 and 86.

Because I just wrote chapter 83 which has some getting fancy in it, I can't move on right now to the chapter 87 getting fancy part, so that will have to wait till tomorrow.  I think we all agree however, that demolishing a $30 tuxedo rental was worth it.  At least... I hope so.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 25, 2006, 05:55:27 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 21, 2006, 11:41:18 pm
No leaving out Heath, no way...  ;)


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       OH MY GOLLY    YESS    passes out falls to floor
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 25, 2006, 06:56:59 pm
For those who are wondering just how silly I can get... and for those who need a confirmation, please see the following thread links:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=4084.msg79235#msg79235  "Alien!Brokeback!"

Completely "In Canon" (and completely tongue in cheek)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: LoveEmBoys on August 25, 2006, 11:24:52 pm
Louise,

I have to admit when I first read the synopsis that Ennis would be taking Ellery to Brokeback Mtn I did have an uneasy feeling. That of sharing what is too sacred to share.  But uneasy feelings aside, I have no intention to put aside the forthcoming volume -- I know you always handle all three of our boys and their feelings very well, so I only look forward to going on the vacation with E&E.

Fred -- what a moving passage you wrote about you and your first and second wives.  What a wonderfully loving and open relationship you must have with them both.  Kudos to you.

Monica
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 26, 2006, 12:04:30 am
Quote from: LoveEmBoys on August 25, 2006, 11:24:52 pm
Louise,

Fred -- what a moving passage you wrote about you and your first and second wives.  What a wonderfully loving and open relationship you must have with them both.  Kudos to you.

Monica

Monica -

Thank you so much for those kind words! As you can tell from what I wrote, what I have to say about finding a new love is not a theory. It's part of my own story. It's how I know that Ennis can love again. As Ennis moves forward in his new life with Ellery, I feel that I'm able to move forward, too. The story of the Laramie Saga is very important to me, again, not as a theory, but as a very personal source of hope and healing.

Kudos and thanks to our dear Louise! Please, everybody keep good thoughts and prayers for her regarding her dental health and her visa renewal. It's our privilege to do this small spiritual thing for one who continues to do so much for all of us.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 26, 2006, 09:25:31 am
Wow, I woke up after lingering in bed all morning to a flood of LJ comments pro and con about the upcoming story plot.  And I thought Ennis finding a new man would be controversial!! Holy moly!

For those who want to read the latest, mostly from lurker readers who only read the story on Livejournal, there is a rather lengthy exchange (with my responses) at the comments section of chapter 83:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/98713.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 26, 2006, 10:27:10 am
Quote from: louisev on August 26, 2006, 09:25:31 am
Wow, I woke up after lingering in bed all morning to a flood of LJ comments pro and con about the upcoming story plot.  And I thought Ennis finding a new man would be controversial!! Holy moly!

For those who want to read the latest, mostly from lurker readers who only read the story on Livejournal, there is a rather lengthy exchange (with my responses) at the comments section of chapter 83:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/98713.html

Wow!  What a discussion. I guess I haven't got this sex thing figured out, but I can't see why Ennis and Ellery having sex on Brokeback in any way diminishes the love and memory of Ennis and Jack.  Just the opposite.  I think it would honor the memory and show how sacred Ennis' love of Jack was and is.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 26, 2006, 10:54:06 am
"Love is not just a feeling, love takes time.  It does not make sense to talk about being in love for ten minutes. Love involves process and a story.  The story we tell is important to the nature of love itself."  This is quoted from The Passions, a tape from the Teaching Company by Professor Robert C Solomon at the Unversity of Texas at Austin.  Ennis and Jack have one story,  Ennis and Ellery have another. Ennis is not being disloyal the Jack when he tells their story to Ellery.  He is simply telling it like it was and is.  Ennis and Ellery can tell their story to Jack on Brokeback too.  The one story and the other do not negate each other.  They can Strenghten and Deepen the love that exists in each story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 26, 2006, 11:22:51 am
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/99727.html  "Chapter 87:  Past and Present"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 26, 2006, 12:41:10 pm

When I first learned about Ellery's plan to purchase a paso fino horse so that he could ride with Ennis, I thought, "Wow! Maybe that means he can visit Brokeback Mountain with Ennis." At the time I thought it would be a good thing, maybe even a very good thing.

After reading many comments at the end of chapter 83, especially the ones opposed to Ellery's going with Ennis to Brokeback Mountain, I now believe that it is vital, absolutely essential, for them to go there together.

I trust Louise and her muses to handle the situation exactly rightly. For me that's saying a lot, because it means I'm also trusting a large part of my own emotional well being to the unfolding of this story. To quote our excellent scudder, "As Ennis goes, so I go."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 26, 2006, 01:21:38 pm
Update to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/100076.html  "Chapter 88:  Millie"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 26, 2006, 02:07:03 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on August 26, 2006, 12:41:10 pm
When I first learned about Ellery's plan to purchase a paso fino horse so that he could ride with Ennis, I thought, "Wow! Maybe that means he can visit Brokeback Mountain with Ennis." At the time I thought it would be a good thing, maybe even a very good thing.

After reading many comments at the end of chapter 83, especially the ones opposed to Ellery's going with Ennis to Brokeback Mountain, I now believe that it is vital, absolutely essential, for them to go there together.

I trust Louise and her muses to handle the situation exactly rightly. For me that's saying a lot, because it means I'm also trusting a large part of my own emotional well being to the unfolding of this story. To quote our excellent scudder, "As Ennis goes, so I go."


I'm with you, Fred.  As Ennis and Fred go, so I go!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on August 26, 2006, 02:26:17 pm
For the love story of Ennis and Ellery to develop, mature, deepen and strenghten, the story of Ennis and Jack and the story of Ellery and Beagle have to be integrated into the present and ongoing story of Ennis and Ellery.  And Louise is doing a bang up job of showing how that is done in the concrete here and now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 26, 2006, 02:31:01 pm
I have no trouble with E&E going up to BBM together.      But once they do, they may not go back.    The old BBM camp may bring back too many memories for Ennis.   He may decide after this visit that future vacations be held elsewhere so he and Ellery can make new memories.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 26, 2006, 02:36:29 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on August 26, 2006, 02:31:01 pm
I have no trouble with E&E going up to BBM together.      But once they do, they may not go back.    The old BBM camp may bring back too many memories for Ennis.   He may decide after this visit that future vacations be held elsewhere so he and Ellery can make new memories.

David...you've roused yourself from your sickbed. Welcome back, we've missed you!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 26, 2006, 02:56:52 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on August 26, 2006, 02:31:01 pm
I have no trouble with E&E going up to BBM together.      But once they do, they may not go back.    The old BBM camp may bring back too many memories for Ennis.   He may decide after this visit that future vacations be held elsewhere so he and Ellery can make new memories.

Excellent point David... sorry to hear you've been sick... I hope you're mending!

Leslie - do you mind sharing what chapter you posted your lj comment regarding all the recent discussion?  thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 26, 2006, 03:11:00 pm
I think it is all on Chapter 83 comments.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 26, 2006, 03:11:32 pm
Final chapter to "Shelter From the Storm"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/100317.html  "Chapter 89:  Extradition"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 26, 2006, 04:13:29 pm
Well, the comments and controversy keep raging... I am rather goggle-eyed right now about it, because I didn't know first of all how many readers there are out there who have lurked all this time and never commented until now!  Wowwee folks.

Partly in response to this I have written an Author's Note at the end of "Shelter From the Storm" elucidating a bit where the next book is going.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/100479.html  "The Way Forward"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 26, 2006, 06:01:53 pm
I just received this wonderful pm from a reader who gave me permission to post it here:  Thank you for your wonderful words of support, Polly!

Quote from: Polly on August 26, 2006, 05:53:31 pm
Dear Louise

I post very occasional comments on the Laramie saga on your LJ site.  I know you'll be inundated with personal messages at the moment, but I wanted to send this to you, rather than doing a LJ comment, as I don't want to get caught up in the public debate around chapter 83. 

Brokeback Mountain (initially the film, then the story) had a greater emotional effect on me than other work of art I've ever experienced.  Obviously it had the same effect on lots of other people, but I found it emotionally devastating - which, of course, is when I started reading fan fiction as a coping strategy.  The Laramie saga has helped me move on in a way no other fan fiction has.  As I said in my comments on Taking Chances, you provide an emotionally credible way for Ennis to move on - not as a 'happy ever after ending' but as a gradual coming to terms with both his guilt and his sexuality.  And that's helped me SO much and I can only thank you!  I just felt compelled to say this, given some of the feedback you're getting at the moment.

The other thing I wanted to say, in the light of some of the comments you've had, is that, IMO, engagement with creativity (especially fiction) is actually about being challenged.  For example, some of the physical aspects of Ellery and Ennis's relationship were initially outside my comfort zone (the paddle!), but your writing made it very clear that these were totally consensual and about mutual need.  But, if I hadn't been ok with, in Ellery's words, the 'mild bondage and discipline' I could have either skipped the sex scenes or stopped reading altogether - which, of course, is an option for the people who say 'Ellery can't visit Jack's special place.' 

And finally, Chapter 87 of Shelter from the Storm made me cry - that Ennis has hurt Ellery, but Elllery says nothing and is more concerned with Ennis's pain.  You do bittersweet so well...

Sorry this is so long, but I just wanted you to know how much I value your work.

Please cross-post to the lovely Bettermost site if you want!

Polly


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 26, 2006, 07:22:19 pm
SPOILERS

Quote
“You ain’t mad?”

Ellery shook his head. “No. I ain’t mad.” As he took the cigar back from Ennis, he tapped the ash on the ashtray and then took a deep drag. He wasn’t mad at Ennis, but his chest still ached with the tightness of anxiety as he thought, will he ever love me the way he loves Jack?

I think Ellery needs a friend, a confidant other than Ennis, to talk about his feelings regarding Ennis grieving and longing for Jack. Somebody that will help him understand that the fact that Ennis still misses Jack, has nothing to do with Ennis's love for Ellery, and that it doesn't mean Ennis loves him any less. A person who has been in Ennis's place, or has gone through a similar experience in the past.  I'm not sure if Ennis is able to let Ellery know that, because he has told him many times that he's in love with him, but Ellery still feels somewhat insecure about it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 26, 2006, 08:12:44 pm
Can I nominate myself Natali?

lol.

You think he would talk to Dupree maybe?  Wes?  Edna?  Joe??

In all seriousness, I thought one of the saddest things (okay, granted, there are many) about Brokeback Mountain was that neither Jack nor Ennis had friends... not even a dog for goshsakes...

I think we need some pictures around here to lighten the mood and celebrate Louise completing another book.  Where is Milli?  I'll see if I can come up with something in her absence.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 26, 2006, 08:31:11 pm
In honor of the earlier talk about being green:

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/255f1386.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 26, 2006, 08:46:24 pm
Some friends for the boys...



(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/900d4f8b.jpg)




(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/7bdd6b1d.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 26, 2006, 09:05:33 pm
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/22a9c501.jpg)

"No, I've no idea if my mom reads The Laramie Saga.  My mom and I do not discuss our Slash fantasies... but yeah, that Louisev is a hoot!  Heath and I love Alien!Brokeback!  And, yeah, we care a lot about Ellery too.  Oh, and just in case you were wondering, we do not leave anonymous LJ comments."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 26, 2006, 09:09:21 pm
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/e73c02f0.jpg)

Congratulations on finishing Book IV, Louise!  What an accomplishment!  Thanks so much for sharing your amazing talents with us!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 26, 2006, 09:16:33 pm
OMGosh, I got tons to catch up on!!  :D
There is even a chapter entitled Millie..squeeeeee  ;D
Gotta catch up..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 26, 2006, 09:18:40 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 26, 2006, 09:09:21 pm
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/e73c02f0.jpg)

Congratulations on finishing Book IV, Louise!  What an accomplishment!  Thanks so much for sharing your amazing talents with us!

Cheers!!!  :D


(http://www.sevenfeathers.com/images/sevenfeathers/special-hotel-packages-wine-glasses.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 26, 2006, 09:28:04 pm
Hi Milli,

I missed your "good morning from Alberta" message today...

I think you're the first person to have your very own chapter title!!!  It was a good one! 

Have fun catching up!

Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 26, 2006, 09:53:24 pm

Cheers Kell!  :D
I want to go back to chapter 70 and start reading from there.. :)
Gotta go eat supper and git to it.. ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on August 26, 2006, 11:04:24 pm
I just got back from a week of vacation (roughing it - no internet!)  and so much has happened.  Louise, I'm sorry your dental problems are continuing.  I hope you are able to go ahead with your surgery next week.  I can't believe how many chapters you have written even while being in pain. 

I have just read about 17 pages of the E&E thread, so I am caught up here.  (Thank you everyone, for the absolutely drool-worthy pictures of Hugh Jackman!!)  Now I need to go read lots of chapters of the saga.  I read up to chapter 74 before vacation, so I'm pretty far behind.  I haven't been able to have a Laramie Saga marathon for a while - I can't wait to dig in!

I haven't yet gotten to the comments on the "controversy" of Ennis taking Ellery to Brokeback, but I think that it will be a wonderful plot development.  It will in no way diminish what Ennis had with Jack.  On the contrary, I think it will demonstrate just how great Ennis's love for Jack was, and sharing it with Ellery will both show tihe love and trust Ennis feels for Ellery, and it will also honor and affirm his relationship with Jack.  It baffles me that so many people just don't get it!

Laurel
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 27, 2006, 04:52:10 am
Ennis and complicated grief

It is very likely that Ennis is suffering from what is known as “complicated grief’ or “chronic grief reaction”.  This occurs when the grieving has gone on for several years and the person still feels unfinished

Ennis appears to fit the profile of a person who may be suffering this type of grief reaction. For example:

•   The person cannot speak of the deceased without experiencing intense and fresh grief.

•   The person may yearn for a relationship that never was but might have been.

•   A relatively minor event can trigger an intense grief reaction.

•   The person may make radical changes in their lifestyle after the loss.

•   The deceased represents an extension of the person and to admit to the loss would mean confronting the loss of a part of oneself.

•   Early parental loss may have been experienced as well as insecure childhood attachments.

•   The person may not tolerate dependency feelings well and so may find it difficult to allow themselves to feel the helplessness associated with loss.

•   The death was socially unspeakable, socially negated and there was a lack of a supportive social network

The above factors, of course, are not universally applicable nor are they comprehensive as other issues (not listed above) may be involved.

Source: Grief Counselling and Grief Therapy (2nd ed.) by J. William Worden, 2000, Routledge


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 27, 2006, 06:46:27 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 27, 2006, 04:52:10 am
Ennis and complicated grief

It is very likely that Ennis is suffering from what is known as “complicated grief’ or “chronic grief reaction”.  This occurs when the grieving has gone on for several years and the person still feels unfinished

Ennis appears to fit the profile of a person who may be suffering this type of grief reaction. For example:

•   The person cannot speak of the deceased without experiencing intense and fresh grief.

•   The person may yearn for a relationship that never was but might have been.

•   A relatively minor event can trigger an intense grief reaction.

•   The person may make radical changes in their lifestyle after the loss.

•   The deceased represents an extension of the person and to admit to the loss would mean confronting the loss of a part of oneself.

•   Early parental loss may have been experienced as well as insecure childhood attachments.

•   The person may not tolerate dependency feelings well and so may find it difficult to allow themselves to feel the helplessness associated with loss.

•   The death was socially unspeakable, socially negated and there was a lack of a supportive social network

The above factors, of course, are not universally applicable nor are they comprehensive as other issues (not listed above) may be involved.

Source: Grief Counselling and Grief Therapy (2nd ed.) by J. William Worden, 2000, Routledge


Wow, Jo. That's very interesting. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 27, 2006, 07:55:11 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 26, 2006, 02:56:52 pm
Excellent point David... sorry to hear you've been sick... I hope you're mending!

Leslie - do you mind sharing what chapter you posted your lj comment regarding all the recent discussion?  thanks.

I believe my comment was on chapter 83.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 27, 2006, 08:23:55 am
hey guys, I am here relatively early for the weekend... lingering around in Chat and just posted the new chapter of volume V, "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/101593.html  "Chapter 1:  Back in Riverton"

more horsy goodness!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 27, 2006, 09:58:38 am
STARVING STUDENT CREAMED CHIPPED BEEF  -- especially for Kelly

Ellery, while not much of a cook, does have a few recipes in his repetoire. He learned to make this in college and made it for Ennis for breakfast on a recent weekend morning.

Cream sauce:

Measure 1 cup milk in a small saucepan. Heat until hot over very low heat. Do not boil. Alternatively, heat the milk in a glass measuring cup in a RadarRange, keeping a close eye to make sure it does not boil over (easy to do in a microwave).

In another saucepan, melt 3 Tbsp. butter. Add 3 Tbsp. flour and stir with a wire whip for about a minute over low heat. Add the hot milk, all at once and cook, stirring, until the sauce thickens (about a minute or so).

Chipped Beef:

With a knife or scissors, cut a small jar of chipped beef into bite-size pieces. Add to the cream sauce and serve over toast or a baked potato. If you find the beef is too salty, allow it to stand for a few minutes in warm tap water. Drain and dry on a paper towel before adding to the sauce. If you have some horseradish, add a teaspoonful to the finished dish and stir to mix.

If you can find fresh dried beef, it is much better than the stuff in a jar. In that case, use about 1/4 pound.

Makes enough for 2 servings. For a starving student, you can have creamed chipped beef on toast for breakfast (use half) and the other half on a baked potato for dinner.



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 27, 2006, 10:10:01 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/101879.html  "Chapter 2:  Breakup"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 27, 2006, 11:03:54 am

*** Spoiler Alert - Do Not Read if you ain't caught up ***







Thanks, Louise!

With these two chapters to begin a new volume of the Laramie Saga, you've given us a great way to start a new week!

Curt is a major asshole! He's not pissed off about his father-in-law visiting with Ellery. He's pissed off that Ellery can afford to buy a paso fino. Good riddance, I say. A young woman whose father is trying to come to terms with his own homosexuality certainly doesn't need a homophobic, unfaithful asshole of a husband.

Once again Ellery shows us how gracious he is, helping Junior feel at ease in an awkward moment.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 27, 2006, 11:58:44 am
Well said Fred!

(Leslie - thanks for the recipe.  Now, where does one find a jar of chipped beef in the store?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 27, 2006, 12:02:06 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 27, 2006, 11:58:44 am
Well said Fred!

(Leslie - thanks for the recipe.  Now, where does one find a jar of chipped beef in the store?)

Usually it is in the section with the canned meats and fish...like tuna.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 27, 2006, 02:40:35 pm
Hello folks!

Bye folks!  Just popping in for a minute to say Hi before I log off again..:)
I am still not caught up..coz I've been busy with other things ~ cleaning my place, buying groceries..etc, etc.. ::)

Till later..!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 27, 2006, 05:06:44 pm
whoo hoo!

Ennis and Ellery is #4 in replies, and #2 in views.  Holy mackerel folks!  Do you suppose this is "Lurker's Paradise" ?

Just a warning for tomorrow. I have never had root recision surgery done.  It might not be any big deal, and it might be really bad.  This is what I have been moaning and groaning over for the past ten days or so, and I have booked off work for two days in anticipation of a rocky recovery.  So I managed to get a couple of chapters of "The Long Way Home" started off, and am still pondering the logistics of the trip up Brokeback, and there is a possibility of my not being able to write for a day or two.

So keep the fan art coming, and look for me in Chat because I may not be able to sleep much in the next couple of days, and keep your fingers crossed for me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 27, 2006, 09:45:14 pm
Louise, I know you don't need it, but
Best of Luck tomorrow!!  :)

Keep dreaming of these two.. ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/d9065561.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 27, 2006, 10:35:45 pm
Louise--best of luck--please take it easy---and be well again!!
thinking of you! :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on August 28, 2006, 01:22:10 am
Hello Louise, hello all,

Well, as I promised, here's my first fanart for the Laramie Saga:


(http://static.flickr.com/91/226852663_fb57d558bb_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/226852663/)



(I found a great shot of Heath and I got creative.  Click image to go to my Flickr page with various sizes of this photo.)

  --Ryan Schultz (Quiplash).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 28, 2006, 04:54:04 am
folks:  my surgery is over, it's over, it's over, it's over.  Thank god amighty! it's OVER.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 28, 2006, 05:09:15 am
Okay....

I just blazed through 34 NEW LJ comments, some of them ranting and poisonous and others heartfelt and courageous, and I guess there's just no reins on this one!  I am sort of mildly flattered about the firestorm of comments, and immensely impressed by the heartfelt fan response you guys have made, and I don't want you to think I am upset or angry about the commentary, because any comment is better than indifference.  One has to question the motivation of those who would read a half a million words of a story that gets them frothing-at-the-mouth angry, however.  It does seem rather contradictory.

I am mildly tempted to delete the Anons that are so negative about the story, but without locking down the configuration of my profile to prohibit anonymous comments, that is rather a useless act.  So I would like some input from you readers, because I know some of you are disturbed about the anonymous commentary and rants as well:

Should I reconfigure my LJ page to prohibit anonymous comments, or let'er rip?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 28, 2006, 06:53:14 am
Quote from: louisev on August 28, 2006, 05:09:15 am
Okay....

I just blazed through 34 NEW LJ comments, some of them ranting and poisonous and others heartfelt and courageous, and I guess there's just no reins on this one!  I am sort of mildly flattered about the firestorm of comments, and immensely impressed by the heartfelt fan response you guys have made, and I don't want you to think I am upset or angry about the commentary, because any comment is better than indifference.  One has to question the motivation of those who would read a half a million words of a story that gets them frothing-at-the-mouth angry, however.  It does seem rather contradictory.

I am mildly tempted to delete the Anons that are so negative about the story, but without locking down the configuration of my profile to prohibit anonymous comments, that is rather a useless act.  So I would like some input from you readers, because I know some of you are disturbed about the anonymous commentary and rants as well:

Should I reconfigure my LJ page to prohibit anonymous comments, or let'er rip?

Hey Louise,

How did the surgery go? Hopefully everything went well. I can't believe people are still ranting about the new book. Why can't they just stop reading and leave us alone? Prohibiting annon comments may not be a bad idea, actually. But I think it depends on how much the mean comments bother you. If they bother you too much, go ahead and do whatever you have to do to prohibit those comments. After all, I still think it's just one person making a lot of noise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 28, 2006, 07:00:30 am
PS. Louise, I just went to see the angry comments back at LJ, and I think it's a troll. I remember some troll back in IMDB who used to open threads wrting that Ennis killed Jack and crap like that. I'm not sure if anybody else remember it, but I think I do. So, don't waste your time with that idiot. He can easily visit this board as a guest, scan this thread for details about the chapters, and go to LJ to post nasty annon comments to piss us off.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 28, 2006, 07:20:07 am
Louise,

Because it is your LJ, can't you just delete individual comments? I personally don't like doing that because is smacks of censorship, but I agree with Natali, this might be a troll. If that were the case on my LJ, I might start by deleting the comments, before making the decision to not allow anonymous comments all together.

Leslie
PS...Surgery is over and you are posting so obviously you survived in one piece. Yeah!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 28, 2006, 08:44:36 am
After some thought I decided to prohibit the Anons, at least until things calm down.

Yeah, the surgery is over (see my "it's over it's over" chant.)  But boy am I feeling some serious pain now!

If anyone is around, I am waiting for the next round of pain medicine to take effect, and sitting in chat!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 28, 2006, 08:46:50 am
Louise, I'm delightfully surprised to be hearing from you so soon, so I'm hoping the surgery was a success! I was praying for the doctor's skill and your continued healing.

I saw your author's note and have to sadly agree. I read those angry posts and I just don't get it. Why read something that gets you so upset? I quit reading a story when it is no longer an entertaining or learning experience to continue. The vitriol in those posts upsets the delicate balance of love and support that I find and need in your pages and on this forum. It is fair to question the plot points in an intelligent and calm fashion, but to rant is unnecessary and disturbing.

You have many faithful and supportive readers and I'm proud to say I'm one of them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 28, 2006, 08:54:29 am
Yes, I think that at least for the time being, it is the right thing to do to cut down on the free rein of rants.  I find them mildly amusing and silly, but I know that there are a lot of readers to the Laramie Saga, and it is upsetting many people who are enjoying the story, and I believe that the troll rants are designed most of all to upset you guys.

At this point I am not going to allow anonymous comments.

Yep, I'm sort of up and down between here and the bed, but make no mistake...  I am hurting, and would like nothing more than to get another one of those anesthesia shots right now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 28, 2006, 10:37:32 am
I finally found the right dosage to allow me to continue writing:

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/102863.html   "Chapter 3:  The Youngest"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 28, 2006, 10:42:36 am
Ryan - just wanted to compliment you on the great artwork!

Louise - yeah, surgery is over!  I hope the pain meds help...  (i'll check in to chat in a wee bit)

Re: LJ comments: isn't there a way to screen comments before they appear?  or is that what you didn't want to do 'cause it felt like censorship?  I think whatever you decide to do is fine... It's like moderators screening the boards, or teachers sending disruptive students to the principal's office.  Regardless, you don't want the ranting and raving distracting from reading the story...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on August 28, 2006, 11:00:13 am
Louise,

Good to see you up posting and chatting after your surgery.  Look forward to new chapters.  AACCKKK!  Junior and Curt fighting infront of Ennis,  The Brides father. !
Hell hath no furry like that of a father protecting his daughter.

I find I must comment on the current drama surrounding Ennis and Ellery’s trip to BBM.

My thoughts on the matter are simply;  If the original author, Anne Proulx doesn’t mind  why should anyone else?   Get a life,  Ennis is!

I Hope that Ennis and Ellery going to BBM is the start of closure for Ennis.  He isn’t going to forget Jack, but Jack is dead and Ennis is living. And when Jack died, it is only then that Ennis realizes what mistakes have been made, what opportunities missed. (Original theme to the story?)  And it is my belief that if Jack had lived, nothing would have changed.  They would still be seeing each other 2-3 times a year.  Here it is 2006 and two old men horse back riding up the mountain ….

Louise,  Keep on, Keepin on!  Feel better

Best Wishes
Bob
[email protected]
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 28, 2006, 11:50:09 am
Howdy follks!

Quote from: louisev on August 28, 2006, 10:37:32 am
I finally found the right dosage to allow me to continue writing:

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/102863.html   "Chapter 3:  The Youngest"

OMG!  This lady is unstoppable.. ;D
Louise, great to see you back in one piece! (Not that we expected anything less of course..;) )


My lazy butt is still lagging behind and I cant stand it!  :-\  I promise to get caught up today!  I love it when there are quite a few chapters waiting for me to savour all at once!


Quip ~ Great fan art there bud!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 28, 2006, 12:17:51 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/103100.html  "Chapter 4:  Two Girls, Talking"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on August 28, 2006, 02:22:59 pm
*big sigh*

i've finally caught up from where i left on august 9th. another big marathon reading, i love it.

Louise, i love the interaction between the two sisters. And not just about what daddy and ellery are doing in the guest room  ::)
so nice that they're happy and laughing, 'because their daddy had come home'

thanks
Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on August 28, 2006, 02:47:41 pm
Great chapters with the girls Louisev!

Thanks!

David~
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 28, 2006, 03:01:37 pm
David ~ Great to see you here today!  Hope you are feeling well again!  :)


Just needed to see this one again ... *sigh*

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/12e6c898.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/d9bd15b9.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 28, 2006, 03:06:36 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 28, 2006, 10:42:36 am
Ryan - just wanted to compliment you on the great artwork!

Louise - yeah, surgery is over!  I hope the pain meds help...  (i'll check in to chat in a wee bit)

Re: LJ comments: isn't there a way to screen comments before they appear?  or is that what you didn't want to do 'cause it felt like censorship?  I think whatever you decide to do is fine... It's like moderators screening the boards, or teachers sending disruptive students to the principal's office.  Regardless, you don't want the ranting and raving distracting from reading the story...
          i agree wholeheartedly.  i answered some of them, and tried to give logic.  then i tried a bit more stridently to give them a clue.  it seemed they were obsessed, and not in a good way.  like the rest of us  tee hee   then i just got nasty.   sorry about that.  but when you are talking to a wall.   there is no way to be heard.  just have to shut it
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 28, 2006, 03:21:25 pm
In those cases, it just seems better not to try.  If someone posts a really nasty comment that has little or nothing to do with the story and a whole lot to do with making trouble, I will simply delete it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 28, 2006, 04:57:19 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/103223.html  "Chapter 5:  A Nice Little Family Lunch"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on August 28, 2006, 05:43:18 pm
Louise, you amaze me.  The day after dental surgery and you've completed another three chapters! 

I love the change of venue to Riverton and the interaction between Ennis' daughters. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 28, 2006, 06:44:44 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on August 28, 2006, 05:43:18 pm
Louise, you amaze me.  The day after dental surgery and you've completed another three chapters! 

Ditto!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 28, 2006, 07:28:33 pm
Quote from: Quiplash on August 28, 2006, 05:43:18 pm
Louise, you amaze me.  The day after dental surgery and you've completed another three chapters! 

I love the change of venue to Riverton and the interaction between Ennis' daughters. 


Actually the day of.  It's been about 16 hours since I got out of the chair.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 28, 2006, 11:12:31 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 28, 2006, 10:42:25 pm
Can we cast this young lady...

maybe as Alma Jr's friend? or Ben's wife, or a love interest for Dupree?

Kell .. lovely smile you got there!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 28, 2006, 11:37:43 pm
Thanks!  I am hugging my aunt in that picture... it is always easier to smile nicely in pics when you are with people you love, rather than alone, or in other awkward group pics.. anyhow... she calls me KelBel... I always think of her when someone round here calls me Kel.  For the record, Kel is fine, but only my aunt gets to use KelBel, 'kay?

So for some on topic E and E discussion.  I apologize in advance for potentially revealing too much information...


SPOILER



Of course this is regarding Junior and Francie seeing Ellery naked, and seeing Ennis' butt...  I wanted to post on LJ in reply to one commenter... cause he sort of said things like "no one would say that"/"no one would think that"/"everyone would be icked out"...  but I thought perhaps I should post my opinion here, rather than argue over there.  first of all, i only got annoyed with the post, not because the poster expressed his opinion, but because of the tone... that he knew for certain what everyone would/wouldn't do.

Well, I was a few years younger than Junior and Francie when I accidentally caught my dad in a full frontal view, and guess what, I lived to tell about it (without any subsequent therapy!).  It wasn't a big deal!  I was just like "oops, sorry" and turned around and walked out... and hence proceeded to ask if it was okay for me to go in their bedroom rather than just barging in and assuming everyone would be decent.  growing up, I was more uncomfortable when my mom would have to help me do something (fasten a clasp, zip up a dress, share her curling iron, etc.) and I'd have to see her in her bra and underwear than I ever was with that momentary oops with my dad.  maybe that makes me a freak, but I don't really think so.  (though i'm sure someone could infer some Freudian things)  and I suppose if I ever caught my parents having sex, I'd have been embarrassed, but I certainly don't think I'd have been 'icked' out...

I thought the scene with Junior and Francie was handled quite well. 

and that my dears, is my 2 cents on the issue, apologies if I have 'icked' anyone out.
(and please no one tell my parents that I shared these silly stories with y'all.)

(edited to add spoiler warning)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 29, 2006, 03:40:29 am
Attitudes to nudity within the family home vary. For some it is no big deal for others it's a big no no.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 04:05:02 am
I wouldn't want to tell anyone what to do either... but perhaps a comment on country attitudes to nudity...

The assumption I went on here is that Junior and Francine are now are healthy young adults, even though Francine has led a bit more sheltered existence than Junior in the much more religious household of Alma and her second husband Bill.  (Yes, Bill... it's based on Annie Proulx's story mostly, not the film! damn that Monroe...) and Francine is going through pretty much the same reaction Junior had to meeting Ellery for the first time:  sympathizing with her father's "choice in men"  and finding him embarrassingly handsome.  They don't have much of a basis for processing "queer relationships" otherwise.  We had a discussion about this phenomenon in chat last night, and it is less a reaction of "arousal" than it is of a gushy fan type reaction - a diffuse attraction that is based more in a superficial emotional response than in anything truly sexual.

But girls are like this: I know because I was one!  We undressed our Barbie dolls, did all sorts of obscene things with them and Ken, and if there was a chance to peek at some boy with his swimsuit half down or clinging too much to his fruit arrangement, guess what - girls look!  And if there was a chance to peek at a nude man without getting caught, you bet!

I hope I made it clear what and why they were looking, however... the irrepressible curiosity of young (adult) women encountering an unexpectly nude adult man in the guest room.  And it wasn't their Daddy's backside they were gawking at!

The entire phenomenon of slash fiction rests upon the insatiable curiosity women have, and the fantasy element of their interest in gay males... and as such, I am portraying a phenomenon many of us women know quite well.

If this triggers off some folks' disgust, I'm sorry about that - everyone's reactions are different.  They knew they should not have been peeking, and it was (mostly) accidental.

Another reason I did this was to illustrate something about Francine's character.  While Junior has a fiery temper when it comes on her, it is Francine that has the "full throttle on all roads" temperament of her father.  It was she who summarily cut Ennis off when she felt he had hurt her mother, and she is the one who would deliberately go peek where Junior would not have done something like that on purpose.  It is a way of characterizing Francine as much as anything - she is more closeted, more repressed, and is sort of a mini version of Ennis who grew up with a lot of "don'ts" and without the liberalizing, laissez-faire influence of Ennis in the house, forced to go to church every Sunday and with little outlet to be free and easy with her early-marrying older sister.  Notice she has gotten to age 19 and isn't married, and apparently no sign of a boyfriend.  She has the potential to break out and do unexpectedly wild things.  And probably will!

(Now that is fodder for a future story, huh?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 04:13:18 am
I also wanted to mention that I am feeling quite a bit better today, and am in far far less pain.  And a lot of the swelling has gone down.  So... prospects look good for more chapters!

If anyone is around and wants to chat, peek in chat in case I am there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 05:15:53 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/103507.html  "Chapter 6:  Uncertainties"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 05:17:56 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 28, 2006, 10:42:25 pm
Can we cast this young lady...

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/meshort.jpg)

maybe as Alma Jr's friend? or Ben's wife, or a love interest for Dupree?

There is a Janey Cahill in Riverton who is a friend of Francine's.  But maybe you'd like to be cast as the young female veterinarian who helps Wes with the inoculations and health issues at his ranch...!

The Riverton setting won't be a regular setting for the next two books, so you'd be written out as soon as you are written in if you were one of the girls' friends!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 09:41:24 am
Quote from: magicmountain on August 29, 2006, 03:40:29 am
Attitudes to nudity within the family home vary. For some it is no big deal for others it's a big no no.

Yep, certainly!  (was just offering mine as an alternative to the Egads! version...)
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 09:43:29 am
Quote from: louisev on August 29, 2006, 05:17:56 am
There is a Janey Cahill in Riverton who is a friend of Francine's.  But maybe you'd like to be cast as the young female veterinarian who helps Wes with the inoculations and health issues at his ranch...!

The Riverton setting won't be a regular setting for the next two books, so you'd be written out as soon as you are written in if you were one of the girls' friends!

But I'd get to talk to them about seeing Ellery naked!  Which I probably couldn't do around Wes... lol.  Tough decisions, tough decisions... thank goodness I get to be a reader and see all!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 10:28:24 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/103905.html  "Chapter 7:  Planning"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 29, 2006, 11:41:54 am
Morning folks!

Oohh..looks like we found our own Laramie Vet!  ;)

Louise, Millie has lost her "maleness" over on LJ..lol.
To think I dint even see it last night!  ;D I blame it on the wine! 
Great to hear you are feeling much better today!!
By the way, did you sort out your visa extension?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 12:00:21 pm
Thanks for all of the good wishes. I feel better ... suddenly... than I have felt in two weeks!  The pressure is gone and the pain  has really subsided a lot.

And no, tomorrow morning I tackle the visa issue. I was just too sleepy and drug-ridden this morning to crawl out of bed and go do it. I would have fallen asleep at the wheel I think.

And good job in Millie.  You going to add her to the Gallery in her newly discovered feminine state?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 29, 2006, 12:22:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 29, 2006, 12:00:21 pm
You going to add her to the Gallery in her newly discovered feminine state?

Sure am!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 29, 2006, 12:29:58 pm
Speaking of horses ..  We need to cast Calico!
Any ideas?  I know she is a chestnut mare with white spots on her face.  All we need is a chestnut mare and I can add the spots to her face ..  :P

She is cute, but she took the spots thing too far ..  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/66c69518.jpg)


Any suggestions horse lovers?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 12:32:09 pm
*whoa!* Lucise.  That sure is one CALICO horse!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 01:18:33 pm
Okay folks, in celebration of my rapid and unprecedented recovery....

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/104122.html  "Chapter 7:  A Forgotten Date"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 02:45:14 pm
At Kelly's gentle request:

A list of Chapter Enders (not all one-liners)

First, from "Taking Chances"

Chapter 12

Ellery: "We wasted plenty a time already on you and your piece a ass, Bill.  Now let's see the scene a the fight."

Chapter 18

Pete put on a look of malevolent glee and grinned up at the two men.  “I took his weddin ring.”

Chapter 21

Ellery glanced over at Ennis, who nodded.  Then he raised his glass, and leaned over, clinking it against Ennis’s.  “Then here’s to a fair ending to an absolutely shitty Friday off, and to friendship,” and drank deeply, never taking his eyes off Ennis.

Chapter 23

Ennis reached for his own hat and set it down, and it cocked against the black hat.  “To ... Glenfiddle Scotland,” he said.  “Wherever the hell it is.”

Chapter 24

Several long moments passed as Ennis’s breathing returned to normal. “Maybe it’s time you told me bout this book,” Ellery said.

Chapter 25

And when the bolt of pleasure straightened his back, he cried out softly, “Oh, Jack!” and gasped as Ellery rose and knelt, placing his mouth over his erupting cock and sucking him empty, eventually, as he softened, Ellery straightened back up against him and put his face against Ennis’s shoulder.  Ennis had thrown his arm over his eyes.  “I’m... sorry, bout that Ellery.”

“It don’t matter,” Ellery chuckled.  “My middle name’s Jack.”

Chapter 28

“Still.”  Ennis straightened up at the sink and gave Ellery a fierce look.  “Still love em.  Never told em.  Still love em.  An won’t ever stop.”

Ellery nodded.  “As it should be.”

Chapter 32

Ennis: “I’d do just about anything fer you right now,” he whispered, repeating back what Ellery had told him this morning.  “Cause I like you just fine.”
Chapter 36

Ennis: “Yeah. Can you make this thing stop an go back? I wanna see him washin up in the bathroom again.”

Ellery: “Sure, you press this thing here.”

Chapter 41:

Ellery: “Lets have some coffee and do all this again, only this time slower.”

Chapter 42:

Their breathing slowed in unison, it seemed, small drops of sweat trickled off Ennis’s chest and into the thin coverlet beneath him as he cooled off, his hand slick against Ellery’s hip, and his cock slipped out by degrees, still twitching with the remaining tremors of their pleasure.  “Damn boy...” Ellery whispered.  “You got a great right hook.”

Chapter 44:

Ennis tore his eyes away from the window, taking a deep breath, and grabbed Ellery with both hands.  “Yer rilin me up again boy.”

“Good deal, that was the plan.”  And he tilted his head down slightly for the hard kiss he knew was coming next.

Chapter 50:

“Shit, boy, that was great,” Ennis said, reaching for the box of cigars that lay on the coffee table.

“Good movie, wasn’t it?”  Ellery replied.

Chapter 51:

“Now don’t you be steppin out on me with that doughboy or you’re gonna see some smoke.”

Ennis picked up the empty roll the biscuits came in.  “Wonder if he left his number. He tastes really fuckin good.”

Chapter 60:

Ellery sniffed, nibbled at Ennis’s lip before he stepped back.  “Chief Deputy darlin ta you.”

Chapter 64:

“Think a the girl on the butter,” Ellery said with a confident smile, and got out of the car, walking without a limp to the noise of voices and music in the Sheriff’s back yard.

Chapter 65:

Edna Brown leaned over, patting his back.  “Somethin go down wrong, Ennis?” she asked softly.

“No, ma’am, everythin’s fine.”  But right now, all Ennis could think of was the moment in the bathroom when Ellery told him he had named his cock “Jack.”

Chapter 66:

“Well, it’s true.  An we’re cousins right?”  Ennis gave Ellery a tight smile, not quite accepting the tale Ellery had spun on his behalf.  “Cousins visit don’t they?”

“Yeah, but kissin cousins do moren that, Ennis.  Let’s go get yer truck.”

Chapter 72:

Ennis: “Well, at least I got somethin ta tell Junior that doesn’t involve queer, courts, an lawyers.”

Ellery laughed.  “That’s lookin on the bright side of things.”

Chapter 73:

Ennis laughed hoarsely.  “Ain’t those illegal?”

Ellery: “Well, yeah.  That’s what makes em taste so good.”

Chapter 77:

Wes:  “Now, let’s eat.  I’m in a bad mood an only one thing improves it.  My wife’s cookin.”

Chapter 88

“Sweetheart,” Ellery said softly, his voice pitched with the husky tone of satisfied lust.

“Whut?” he asked, his heart thudding.

“Doughboys are burnin.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 02:56:10 pm
Thanks so much Louise.  What a great idea I had!
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 03:14:46 pm
Chapter Enders

Looking for Answers

Chapter 2

Ellery: “Ain’t got no energy left fer ridin stallions eh?”

“We’ll see…” Ennis murmured, running his tongue along the dark hairline, making Ellery shiver with new pleasure.

Chapter 4:

Harry nodded, understanding at last.  “Oh I see.  Gimme another Bud, Mary.  I obviously got ta set my sights on somebody more pretty.”
Chapter 15:

The orderly spoke then, to Ennis.  “You family?”

“He’s my momma, didn’t you figure that out son?” Ellery snapped.

Chapter 16:

Ennis straightened up, looking down at Ellery with a look that was more mock severity than actual.  “We’ll see after breakfast.  We’re havin sausages an doughboys.”

“Yes Momma,” Ellery said meekly.

Chapter 24:

Ennis pulled out slowly, and lifted a wet  hand, and Ellery leaned back, shivering all over, then  Ennis leaned over, bringing his warm, dripping fingers up to Ellery's mouth, and Ellery opened his mouth, lapping up his own come from Ennis’s hand.  Ellery glanced up through the veil of his lashes and saw Ennis smile and nod.  “Good boy,” Ennis said softly.

Chapter 26:

Wayne tossed his head as he strode quickly out of the yard, not looking back.

Ellery shook his head, rubbing his eyes.  “You have such a way with him, Ennis, I swear.”

Chapter 28:

“I am all better, now come on boy….”  Ellery gave him a beseeching look.

Ennis pulled away slightly.  “After we go out an have that T-bone steak you was temptin me with.”

Chapter 37:

Ron opened the door of his office and let Ellery out.  “Next time, if ya want ta blend in, try wearin jeans that didn’t just come off the rack.  More believable that way.”

“Thank you kindly, officer,” Ellery said.

Chapter 40:

Ennis looked up at Ellery in a kind of slow shock, taking in the blue boots, the tight black denims and brief vest, then finally the ponytail and earring.  “What the fuck are you WEARING?”  Ennis said, voice cracking.

“Oh. Shit. Yeah. Guess I better change.” Ellery stepped through the living room, suddenly self conscious in front of his colleague, and tossed back over his shoulder. “Hey there Joe. You take his statement, okay?” and went in to the bedroom to change. He only wished he could have provoked that reaction from Ennis under better circumstances.

Chapter 42:

Ennis: “Only cock I want you lookin at is that one right there, an I mean it.” he pointed a lazy finger at his crotch.

“Yes sir,” Ellery replied.


Chapter 43:

“You do brighten up to a nice shade a green, Ennis,” Ellery said.  “If Wayne an me were on a desert island an there was nothin there but a coconut between us, I think I’d fuck the coconut before I’d fuck Wayne.”

Ennis spewed coffee down his chin.  “Maybe you oughta tell em that.”

“I did.  That’s why he doesn’t flirt with me no more.”


Chapter 44:

Ellery smirked at Ennis.  “If he had a brain in his head, he could lodge a complaint of assault for that Ennis.”

Ennis: “Let em.  I’ll tell em he pissed me off.”

Chapter 45:

Ellery looked up at him with a drunken smile.  “Where do you get these ideas, sweetheart?”

“While I’m muckin out mares,” Ennis replied.  “It gets real borin sometimes.”

“Lucky for me,” Ellery replied.

Chapter 47:

James Wellesley stood up, gaping once again as if he hadn’t tried quite hard enough to get air the first time around, saw his suit jacket slipping to the floor, grabbed for it, and bolted out the door.

“Like shootin fish in a barrel,” Ellery commented to the empty room.

Chapter 48: 

Wes: “Leave me alone, Ellery.  I am already regrettin you comin back full time.”

Ellery smiled sweetly.  “I am doin my level best.”

Chapter 55.

Wes:  nodded.  “You boys stay outta trouble ya hear?”

Ellery shook his head.  “Never, Wes.”

Chapter 57:

Ellery: “I’m a bland guy. I like biscuits.  Get me some biscuits next time you burn rubber to the bakery okay Joe?”

Joe: “Sure Chief.”

Chapter 60:

Ennis pulled out, letting Ellery lower himself back down to a prone position as their breathing slowed, and he turned his head, face half concealed by the pillow.  “That was quite a lesson, boy,” Ellery whispered.


Chapter 61:

Dupree stood up, looking more encouraged than when he came in.  “Hey Chief… I don’t really have ta keep eatin Joe’s donuts do I?  he likes those jam filled ones an they just make my stomach churn.”

“Damn straight.  It’s yer duty ta protect an serve, Dupree.”

Chapter 65:

Ennis kissed the sweaty nape of his neck, tasting the salt.  “You want some dessert?”

Ellery;  “I thought that was the dessert, sweetheart.”

Chapter 66.

Ennis pulled his fingers out from between his thighs, tugged Ellery’s zipper up so the cutoffs wouldn’t fall right off him when he moved.  “Yeah, good idea.  An you better take those off.  Those are just indecent.”


Chapter 67:

Ennis: “Whut?” he asked, fingers brushing away the hair half-obscuring the teasing expression.

“I got ta get you jealous more often,” Ellery said softly.

Chapter 68:

Ennis: “Funny, that’s what Ellery says too.  You police are all so damned cocky.”

Dupree grinned.  “We are aren’t we?”

Chapter 69:

(Ellery) He opened the door, holding his sheriff’s badge in one hand, the gun upraised in the other as he raised his hands and stood still in the red light.  “Nobody here but us lawmen,” he said as the officers approached, guns pointed.

Chapter 70:

Wes nodded.  “Yep.  I got a feelin old judge Worrell’s still got his fingers deep in the Austin police an someone made you, Ellery.  Though at this point there is gonna be hell ta pay if I find out who it is.”

“Shit,” Ennis said.

“Fuck,” Ellery echoed.

Chapter 73:

Ellery glanced at Ennis.  “What happened?”

“Got kicked by horse,” Ennis said simply.


Chapter 76:

Wes: “He’s still in surgery.  Nellie kicked em harder than he looked at first, Ennis.  It ain’t yer fault.  A kickin horse ain’t classified as a lethal weapon.”


Chapter 77:

Ellery: “I didn’t get injured an have ta explain to anybody how that got there.”

Ennis kissed his sweaty nape, pressing briefly against the bite, feeling the full body shiver as he sucked on the flesh of his neck, nipping gently, then letting go as he raised a small welt on his neck, then licked it with his tongue, eliciting small moans of pleasure.  “Got bit by a coyote,” he murmured.

“A blond one,” Ellery replied.

Chapter 79:

Wes heaved a long sigh, looking Ellery in the eye.  “I don’t like it.  But you got three days, Ellery.  Now let’s bring ya home so you can get started kickin in yer livin room wall.”

Chapter 83:

“Yeah... only one problem,” Ellery replied.

“Whassat?”

“I got bit by that coyote again.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 03:37:03 pm
The Lighthearted LJ Feedback award goes to:  LUCISE! for the following response to a flame LJ comment:


I am not sure if the Anonymous poster above is mad at Ellery or Ennis or both..lol..

Either way, poster, don't git yer knickers in a bunch. This is a story, not World War III!! LOL.


Louise, great work on Four Books of the Laramie Saga!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 03:46:05 pm
Oh Louise, and Milli,

Thanks so much for reminding us of that!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 29, 2006, 04:04:59 pm
Hi Louise!!

I'm back home! Finally! ::)

I LOVE the chapter endings! SO much!

I'm going to start my power read now!  ;D I don't think I'll be commenting though, otherwise I'll never get finished!!
Hope you don't mind too much   :-\

You feeling better?

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 29, 2006, 04:18:11 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 03:46:05 pm
Oh Louise, and Milli,

Thanks so much for reminding us of that!
Well that poster was ranting ..slutt this ..slutt that..Elle-slutt-ry or something like that!  Jeez!  So worked up!!  ;D


BigHeart!  Great to see ya back!  :)


Cheers for the Chapter endings Louise!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 29, 2006, 04:33:57 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on August 29, 2006, 04:04:59 pm
Hi Louise!!

I'm back home! Finally! ::)

I LOVE the chapter endings! SO much!

I'm going to start my power read now!  ;D I don't think I'll be commenting though, otherwise I'll never get finished!!
Hope you don't mind too much   :-\

You feeling better?

 :-*

Don't worry, there are plenty of comments already!   Just relax and enjoy.

And yes, I feel about 200% better, and had a miraculous improvement overnight.  Back to work tomorrow!  Welcome back, June!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 29, 2006, 05:03:54 pm
Thanks Lucise and Louise!

It's great to be back  :)

Oh Louise, sooo many great chapters! Whoohoo!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 05:07:04 pm
Hi June!!!

Welcome back - we have missed you!

Milli was squeeing the other day, and we were all sad that you weren't hear to see it!

I hope you had a good trip,
Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 05:13:15 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 29, 2006, 12:29:58 pm
Speaking of horses ..  We need to cast Calico!
Any ideas?  I know she is a chestnut mare with white spots on her face.  All we need is a chestnut mare and I can add the spots to her face ..  :P

She is cute, but she took the spots thing too far ..  ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/66c69518.jpg)


Any suggestions horse lovers?  :)
one of the horses on the farm where i live is chestnut with a white blaze, but he's a gelding, so he would also need a dickotomy... I will try to take a pic tonight if I think of it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 29, 2006, 06:02:27 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 05:13:15 pm
one of the horses on the farm where i live is chestnut with a white blaze, but he's a gelding, so he would also need a dickotomy... I will try to take a pic tonight if I think of it.

Umm..Milagro in the Gallery got a photoshop dickotomy to be transformed into Millie!
Painless procedure, I promise!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 29, 2006, 10:41:41 pm
Quote from: Lucise on August 29, 2006, 06:02:27 pm
Umm..Milagro in the Gallery got a photoshop dickotomy to be transformed into Millie!
Painless procedure, I promise!  ;D

Lucise your surname wouldn't be Bobbitt by any chance would it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 29, 2006, 11:33:52 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on August 29, 2006, 10:41:41 pm
Lucise your surname wouldn't be Bobbitt by any chance would it?

 :laugh:

In case anyone is wondering, here is a snippet from Wikipedia:

<<
On the night of June 23, 1993, Lorena Bobbitt cut off her husband's penis with a kitchen knife as he lay sleeping in their Manassas, Virginia, home. She then drove off with the severed appendage and flung it out her car window. Police performed a diligent search and located it, and it was then surgically reattached.

In statements to police, she explained that she had cut off the penis because her husband was "selfish" and "wouldn't give her an orgasm."
>>


MagicM ~ to answer your question..It sure AINT!  ;D


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 11:59:15 pm
Sorry folks, didn't get home in time to have enough light out to take the horse pic...

Milli, on this, my 350th post, on my favorite thread (E and E), I just wanted to take a moment to say that I am watching with great anticipation as you proceed towards 4000 posts!  It better be something spectacular!  (no worries, everything you post is spectacular...)  Well, I just hope I'm around for the big party!  Today, I especially liked the "A Word to a Friend" poem that you posted... as I have made so many friends here, thanks to E and E.  (y'all should check it out... Milli's our daily thoughts thread (Lucise) top of page 10...)

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 30, 2006, 12:03:48 am
Cheers Kell!  ;)
I can't believe I am so close to 4000 posts...lol..I must talk a blue streak..jeez!
I have no party planned for it yet..  Maybe I'll bring some cyper champagne over here for us to sip on.. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 30, 2006, 03:43:43 am
Congratulations on earning your blab stripes Mill!  And lovely horses, as always!!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 30, 2006, 03:46:11 am
Here I am, back at work, sipping some lemon tea, and yes, as was widely predicted, they did not kick me out of the country at the Foreign Office this morning... I got another residence permit extension, this time for 3 whopping months.  The relief is palpable!  However it is not really appropriate to kiss the immigration man so I held off.

So I am returning to normal, albeit with a bunch of stitches in my mouth, but will be somewhat busier over the next few days.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 30, 2006, 05:11:11 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 29, 2006, 05:07:04 pm
Hi June!!!

Welcome back - we have missed you!

Milli was squeeing the other day, and we were all sad that you weren't hear to see it!

I hope you had a good trip,
Kelly
Hi Kelly! Thanks!!  :)

Oh man! She was actually squeeeeing?? Damn!

Oh I had the most amazing time, been to the most beautiful places in the world. Thanks.

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 30, 2006, 05:14:20 am
Quote from: louisev on August 30, 2006, 03:46:11 am
Here I am, back at work, sipping some lemon tea, and yes, as was widely predicted, they did not kick me out of the country at the Foreign Office this morning... I got another residence permit extension, this time for 3 whopping months.  The relief is palpable!  However it is not really appropriate to kiss the immigration man so I held off.

So I am returning to normal, albeit with a bunch of stitches in my mouth, but will be somewhat busier over the next few days.
Hehehe, was he hot?? LOL!  ;D

GREAT news Louise!

Haven't finished reading yet...the jetlag caught up with me last night! Will continue now!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 30, 2006, 05:16:30 am
good Lord no, he wasn't hot!  But I was so relieved I disregarded that small fact for a few minutes!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 30, 2006, 11:54:46 am
Morning folks!

Clocking in on this rainy Edmonton morning!  :)

"Blab Stripes" - funny Louise..lol...

Looking forward to some E&E Camping adventures..!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jane on August 30, 2006, 01:13:13 pm
Just a little something I found that I thought you might all like, whilst we wait for some fancy stuff by the camp fire. ;)

Chapter 21: Figuring It Out

Ennis came home with another basket from the Browns, brandishing it like pirate booty as he came into the bedroom. “Okay now ya got ta guess what we got today…” he said, walking around the bed.

Ellery looked up from “The ABC Murders” and took a deep inhalation. “Smells like roast beef or steak or something. Get some plates, boy, I’m wastin away here!”

Ennis set the basket down, leaned over and brushed his lips against Ellery’s cheek, then whispered in his ear, “I get plates, an I want you hard when I get back,” he said, his voice low and thrilling, and he pulled away from Ellery’s clutching hand and went out to the kitchen.

Ellery lay blinking for a long moment, fully aroused by his words, and he wondered what had gotten into Ennis, his mind already clouded by the powerful desire provoked by his hot breath and the whispered order.

There was no problem complying. When Ennis returned poker-faced, setting down plates for each of them, he glanced at the sheet still covering Ellery’s body and said “Lemme see, boy.”

Ellery’s breath hitched in his throat, and he pulled the sheet back from his throbbing cock.

“So now ya got a choice. Ya want me ta take care a that or have Edna’s steak sandwiches first?”

“You know what I want first…” Ellery replied, his lids half closed, his heart hammering in his chest. He hadn’t expected this at all, and Ennis taking the lead sexually was at least as arousing as the prospect of whatever sex awaited him.

“Then yer gonna get it,” He said, leaving the basket covered and warm, he came over to the bed, unbuttoning his shirt and stripping it off, then sat down, and began to rummage through the drawer of the nightstand on Ellery’s side of the bed. “You got some … toys down here I saw the other day…” he said, keeping an eye on Ellery’s face, which was now flushed, and he moved one hand down his arm as the other felt in a drawer. “One of em’s big an black an the other is small an thick around, which one you want inside a you?”

Ellery let out a soft gasp before he replied. “The… black… one…” he said. “It’s…”

“It ain’t as big as me, “Ennis interrupted, picking up the black dildo and running the end of his fingers over the head. “I figured we could try this today an if ya do okay we can get fancy again tomorrow or Sunday,” he kept his voice low, conversational, but Ellery heard the thick tone of lust as Ennis reached across the bed for the Vaseline, rubbing it on the dildo as if he were applying it to his own cock. He could see the bulge in Ennis’s pants from his vantage, but he didn’t appear as though he was going to undress any further… at least not right now.

As before, Ellery realized it was best not to make suggestions or take initiatives… Ennis seemed to be doing well enough in the initiative department, making preemptive moves to satisfy Ellery’s libido while maintaining his protective stance against further injuring him. Ellery lay, as before, on his left side, and Ennis slid into the bed, holding the dildo by its base in his right hand as he tucked his left arm around Ellery’s shoulder, holding him tight once more.

“Put yer hand on yer cock,” he said, directly into Ellery’s ear, and looked down to watch him as his long fingers closed over it, nodding. “Now you got a choice… hard like when I fuck ya, or slow an soft. An ya got ta stay still cause I’m gonna be doin the fuckin an you’re gonna be doin the holdin still….”

Ellery let out another hitched gasp, his mind freezing for a moment as he considered how difficult it would be for him to hold still for a slow penetration, remembering yesterday’s slow motion blowjob. “Hard…” he croaked.

“Then ya hold still, or I stop. You understand? Don’t stroke yer cock, jest hold it, I say when you can stroke it.”

Ellery nodded, speechless, submissive, and Ennis leaned down, using his forearm to pull Ellery’s left leg toward him, below the bruised hip, and brushed the end of the toy up between the cheeks of his ass, Ellery gripping his cock and remaining still, as ordered. Then he stopped, leaned in, and with his lips up against Ellery’s ear he said “Now say please.”

Ellery gulped. “P-please…” he stammered, his entire body shivering. A heartbeat, then two.

“You don’t sound like ya mean it,” Ennis growled, wiggling the tip of the dildo slightly, sliding it up and down a bit.

“Please, please sweetheart…” he hesitated. “Stick it in.”

He heard Ennis take a breath, and felt the hard, sticky length stretch him open as Ennis thrust the toy in in one firm, solid push, a deep groan coming out of his throat, and he shuddered, his hips moving back and against it, and the sudden cessation of movement and the warning tone at his ear. “I said hold still.”

“Yeah, yeah…” he whimpered, freezing in place, his ass throbbing with sudden intense sensation that was thrumming through his cock, making his stomach tighten, his eyes wide open and dilated. “Ssssorry sweetheart.”

“I’m doin the fuckin here,” he repeated, hot breath whispering directly in Ellery’s ear, causing him to shiver once more with a nearly-orgasmic pleasure.

“Please,” he begged, praying for the resumption of pressure, holding his cock in an iron grip, grateful for the hard arm immobilizing his shoulders because he felt he would break apart from the intensity of the waves of pleasure going through him, and tears sprung to his eyes as with a sudden thrust Ennis thrust the toy deep into him, his arm holding his bent leg in a similar hard grip, making it impossible for his hips to move again. Then Ennis exhaled once more, moving his mouth down from Ellery’s ear to his neck, sucking hard, nipping, burying his own need in the tender junction of his shoulder as he panted against him, twisted the dildo and pulled it out, plunging it in firmly once more.

“Oh god, Ennis…” Ellery whimpered, his back arching against the thrust, and his movement was countered by a heavier weight bearing down on his straight right leg, that iron thigh immobilizing him almost completely, fingers gripping his shoulder, and Ennis raised his head, pulling the toy out and then plunging it in once more as his mouth smothered Ellery’s answering cry, thrusting his tongue deep in his mouth once more, then began fucking him in earnest, the only movement Ellery could make in response was to tremble from head to foot, realizing for the first time the immense power in the hard body that held him, and feeling, far more than he had when Ennis was taking him from behind, utterly dominated, and completely passive.

But this was not all. He whimpered against the tongue thrusting rhythmically against his, exploring his open mouth with a nearly brutal aggressiveness, his ass spasmed hard, tightening incrementally on the toy plundering him with a familiar rhythm, and in the midst of this plunder, he marvelled that Ennis could be delivering such violence in such a subtle way, stimulating him so efficiently and yet causing no spasm in his old injury, as if he had some arcane knowledge of his body that permitted him to make love to him in this considered way. I wonder if he had this planned all day, he thought, his moans smothered by the mouth that ravished him even as his ass was ravished, not daring now to shift or move his hand and give him a reason to stop… he couldn’t stop, not now… he was moving close, his body going rapidly more rigid as his sphincter closed down over the hard thrusting dildo.

Ennis felt the shift, and pulled off his mouth, “stroke it… come for me now, darlin…” he ordered, his voice now soft, rasping with lust, and Ellery cried out, unable to resist, arching once more and pulling his cock rapidly, and in a few brief, hard strokes, came in a single uncontrollable spasm, while Ennis pulled back and buried the dildo once more, his mouth going once again to Ellery’s neck and biting, his own moan lost against the taut flesh as Ellery’s sex cry died out in a series of diminishing shudders.

He pulled the black toy out slowly, watching Ellery tremble into relaxation, his cock losing its erection rapidly, and lay back, letting it drop on the floor, releasing his left hand which had been gripping Ellery’s shoulder in a half bear hug, then turned back, his lips moving softly across his cheek and finding his mouth once again, kissing him softly, the kiss now lingering. Ellery’s eyes closed. “Oh god… thank you sweetheart.”

“Time to eat,” Ennis said, then sat up, his own breath finally slowing.

Phew! :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 30, 2006, 01:28:46 pm
*well that'll give people something to talk about.*

One of the most-often cited criticisms of this fic is "Ennis and dildos and buttplugs" but it is rarely mentioned that Ennis discovered these things in the course of finding another means of satisfying a lover who was injured and unable to have normal sex.  Ah well... details.  It worked for some people, didn't work for others.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 30, 2006, 01:29:28 pm
Holy Guacamole Jane!  Yer warming me up with that, on this cold, rainy day!
Hawt damn!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 30, 2006, 05:45:29 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/104324.html  "Chapter 9:  Heading North"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 30, 2006, 05:57:31 pm
Woo Hoo for a new Chapter ..
and my 3999th post!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 30, 2006, 06:37:06 pm
come on Lucise, you can do it, I want to stay up for your 4,000th post!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 30, 2006, 06:57:58 pm
I did it Louise!  :D
Kell threw me and Lee and Paul a party .. we are still partying it up over there.. :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on August 30, 2006, 07:05:52 pm
Excellent job with Calico, very nice touch up too!! Just like I imagined her.  LOL
Thanks for all the work of bringing the story to visual life with your gallery updates.

thanks Louise, for getting another chapter up today.   Just what I love finding/reading when I get in.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 30, 2006, 11:22:21 pm
Okay, I am just dying to hear pastorfred's wise summary of the most recent chapter...

Fred?  (I would imagine you've shared this in chat... share on the thread as well?)

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 30, 2006, 11:51:43 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 30, 2006, 11:22:21 pm
Okay, I am just dying to hear pastorfred's wise summary of the most recent chapter...

Fred?  (I would imagine you've shared this in chat... share on the thread as well?)

 ;D

Whoa, Kelly! It sounds to me like you have a pretty good handle on the most recent chapter, yourself, probably better than anything I could have to say.

Snow at the higher elevations of the northern rockies is not unusual any time of year, but it's to be expected in September. Warm, pleasant days are also a possibility. Ennis is clearly showing a lot of care and concern for Ellery, and as ever, wishing he had done more of that for Jack.

The chapter is an important transition between family time in Riverton and the time Ennis and Ellery will share on the sacred ground of Brokeback Mountain. Mother nature has given them a little more time to get ready, and my guess is that they need it. They will get up to the summit at the right time, and they will be ready for the experience they need to have there. It might be of interest to note that "summit" in this context means the highest place on a road or trail, not the highest peak.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 31, 2006, 12:12:52 am
Ah, Fred, that was just lovely.  Thanks!  Did you notice that it was your 111th post?  I'm sure that has some meaning in numerology...

I like what you said about Mother Nature, and them reaching the summit at the right time... reminds me of this, from a poem called Desiderata...

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

We should also sum up all of your wise sayings... your sayings, and Ellery's wise-cracks, would provide one a lifetime of material for thought, I would think.
 ;)
 
(Is it your experience in sermonizing that enables you to do these summaries so well?  Or just natural brilliance?  lol)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 31, 2006, 05:47:08 am
well guys, one thing to remember is that I have sort of "set aside" this volume as a departure from Laramie and the relatively predictable day-to-day of Ellery and Ennis's life and work there.  And that means a different "pace" for this story.

Believe it or not, it is already over 10,000 words, and we haven't gotten to the trailhead yet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 31, 2006, 06:38:58 am
This is where Ennis and Ellery will stop tonight:

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/lander.jpg)

Lander, WY

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/landermap.gif)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 31, 2006, 06:45:21 am
Yes indeed, the last bastion o' civilization before they head on up to Brokeback.

now hold on... mapquest tells me Lander is south of Riverton. I thought Riverton was a lot further south than it is.

Change of venue, folks:  Dubois.  Please check the edited chapter!  Whew, good thing I was bored and doing map checking today.

Dubois is where  Ennis and Jack stopped to eat on their way back from Brokeback on their way to Signal.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 31, 2006, 06:48:24 am
Downtown Laramie. I guess Ellery's office and the Red Stallion is around here.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/laramie.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/laramhd1.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/laramhd3.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 31, 2006, 08:41:44 am
Quote from: louisev on August 31, 2006, 06:45:21 am
Yes indeed, the last bastion o' civilization before they head on up to Brokeback.

now hold on... mapquest tells me Lander is south of Riverton. I thought Riverton was a lot further south than it is.

Change of venue, folks:  Dubois.  Please check the edited chapter!  Whew, good thing I was bored and doing map checking today.

Dubois is where  Ennis and Jack stopped to eat on their way back from Brokeback on their way to Signal.

This is Dubois, WY

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/dubois.jpg)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/duboismap.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 31, 2006, 09:41:04 am
Thanks for all the pics Nat!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on August 31, 2006, 10:30:59 am
Quote from: notBastet on August 31, 2006, 12:12:52 am
Ah, Fred, that was just lovely.  Thanks!  Did you notice that it was your 111th post?  I'm sure that has some meaning in numerology...

I like what you said about Mother Nature, and them reaching the summit at the right time... reminds me of this, from a poem called Desiderata...

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

We should also sum up all of your wise sayings... your sayings, and Ellery's wise-cracks, would provide one a lifetime of material for thought, I would think.
 ;)
 
(Is it your experience in sermonizing that enables you to do these summaries so well?  Or just natural brilliance?  lol)

Wow! Thanks, Kelly. You honor me more than I feel that I deserve, but, since I'm the Irreverend Fred, the goonpastor, I'll dare to say a little in response. You haven't yet recognized your danger in getting me started!

The number 111 is very significant. It's the age of Bilbo Baggins, eleventy-one, on the occasion of his birthday party and disappearance from the Shire. It signifies the number three, and since it is three in one, the Holy Trinity. Whether you think of the Holy Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or the Triple Goddess, Virgin, Mother, Crone, it means the same thing. The number three is very important to all intelligent beings, whether ourselves or the central Intelligence of all the worlds.

A book of the Wisdom of the Smartasses could be lots of fun. (heheheh)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on August 31, 2006, 10:56:53 am
Quote from: opinionista on August 31, 2006, 08:41:44 am
This is Dubois, WY

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/dubois.jpg)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/duboismap.gif)

Holy shit! Dobois is close to Jackson! Hopefully there's no Eagleton around!  ;) (I know he's in a mental hospital)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on August 31, 2006, 12:34:12 pm
Morning folks.  :)

Took me like 45 minutes to connect to Bettermost today...server trouble I guess.

Cool pix Natali ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 31, 2006, 12:37:15 pm
The site was down for a while after I got home... maybe it was the upgrade...!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 31, 2006, 02:45:20 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/104486.html  "Chapter 10:  Shelter From the Storm"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on August 31, 2006, 02:57:01 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 31, 2006, 12:12:52 am
Ah, Fred, that was just lovely.  Thanks!  Did you notice that it was your 111th post?  I'm sure that has some meaning in numerology...

I like what you said about Mother Nature, and them reaching the summit at the right time... reminds me of this, from a poem called Desiderata...

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

We should also sum up all of your wise sayings... your sayings, and Ellery's wise-cracks, would provide one a lifetime of material for thought, I would think.
 ;)

a book of wisdom by Fred and Ellery.
what a great idea Kelly  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 31, 2006, 03:24:43 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 31, 2006, 09:41:04 am
Thanks for all the pics Nat!
Oh yes, thanks! from me too!  :)

I love them
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 31, 2006, 03:25:30 pm
Hey June, did you catch up yet?  You going to join us in chat tonight?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on August 31, 2006, 03:33:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on August 31, 2006, 03:25:30 pm
Hey June, did you catch up yet?  You going to join us in chat tonight?
I was just about to post that I was so relieved to be 'all caught up' lol You know how I hate to be even a few chapters behind! I think I read about 40 yesterday? And totally LOVED them of course!  :)

I want to read some more and I'll probably join you in chat if the jetlag will finally give me a break  ::) I can't believe it's taking me soo long to get over it. I get really sleepy at the weirdest times and hungry!  ;D

*off to read your latest*

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 31, 2006, 07:17:00 pm
Hi guys, chapter 11 is up at Louise's livejournal... I can't figure out how to nudge her to post the linky...
but you can access her lj this way: http://louisev.livejournal.com.  (I think.)

(Louise, if I screwed up by posting this, sorry, just delete the post, and no worries on my end, okay?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on August 31, 2006, 07:18:05 pm
This is the link you want, folks:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/104768.html  Honeymoon Suite

Enjoy...it made me cry.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 31, 2006, 07:21:20 pm
Special fanart request: Ellery is in his black cowboy hat...

Now, off to read chap... :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on August 31, 2006, 08:13:50 pm
Quote from: opinionista on August 31, 2006, 08:41:44 am
This is Dubois, WY
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/dubois.jpg)

This shot may have been taken near the Cowboy Cafe on the main drag through town, Hwy 26. The Wind River Range is somewhere behind the buildings. I was there in June! Cowboy Cafe advertises that it's been there since 18something-or-other, so it was there when Ennis and Ellery were in town. Suppose they ate there, too? (Soup was excellent.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on August 31, 2006, 10:53:13 pm
I wonder if there is a jacuzzi in the honeymoon suite just like this one in the Super8 Motel in Dubois just up the road from where E and E are staying?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/dubois.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on August 31, 2006, 11:05:37 pm
Louise, the chapters in this book have been so very special, reminding us of so many important things in life...  creating such beautiful scenes as well.  May all future snowfalls/snowstorms remind me of E and E snug in their cabin...
 :)

(Nice jacuzzi that you found mm....)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 01, 2006, 05:33:32 am
I really, really loved the latest chapter. I guess I am always a sucker for the romantic ones...but my, Ennis, what a bit of growth for him. Every step he takes makes me happy, because he deserves a happy loving life.

Leslie
MW
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 01, 2006, 06:36:32 am
I can't believe I missed posting chapter 11.  I must have really been out of it... it took me a long time to write that chapter, even though it isn't particularly long.

But I was pretty distressed last night, and I guess it helped me to write Ennis in a distressed state.  Real life is good fodder for fiction sometimes!

Thank you for all of the heartfelt commentary.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 01, 2006, 09:57:12 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 01, 2006, 05:33:32 am
I really, really loved the latest chapter. I guess I am always a sucker for the romantic ones...but my, Ennis, what a bit of growth for him. Every step he takes makes me happy, because he deserves a happy loving life.

Leslie
MW
I second every word of this  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 01, 2006, 02:57:05 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/105013.html  "Chapter 12:  Laying Low"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 01, 2006, 04:37:40 pm
Louise, I keep getting bumped out of chat!! Damn computer!  >:( :'(

Do you know what could be wrong??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 01, 2006, 05:03:26 pm
Now thats my idea of a vacation!   Sitting in front of a fireplace in a romantic cabin.   :)

I remember staying in a similar place in Stowe Vermont.   My BF (at the time) and I booked a suite with living room, fireplace and separate bedroom for a weekend getaway.

My thought is that it is always best to upgrade.   Life is short and spending a little extra always makes a big difference in the experience of the trip.    Besides, it is just one more months payment on the old Visa card right?       ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 01, 2006, 05:04:29 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 01, 2006, 04:37:40 pm
Louise, I keep getting bumped out of chat!! Damn computer!  >:( :'(

Do you know what could be wrong??

no idea, June, maybe restart your browser?  maybe etoo many people in the chat?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 01, 2006, 05:05:08 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/105370.html  "Chapter 13:  Squall"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 01, 2006, 05:16:02 pm
Quote from: notBastet on August 31, 2006, 07:21:20 pm
Special fanart request: Ellery is in his black cowboy hat...


Howdy folks! :)

Kell ~ for ya ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/6e9e4faf.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 01, 2006, 05:29:08 pm
Howdy Lucise!

WOW! GREAT pic, as usual. Really sexy  ;D

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 01, 2006, 06:08:57 pm
I want to add one of my favorite chapter endings to Louise's list.  This is from Taking Chances, Chapter 79:

“Ellery?”

“Hmmm... whassat...” a long hand came up to push Ennis’s hair back, caress his neck.

“I think yer right about yer theory.”

“That’s good.”

Ennis sighed, setting down his glass on the beside table. “Thank you,” he murmured, and before Ellery could reply, his eyes had closed and he had slipped into a deep, untroubled sleep.

This is so tender and sweet, and Ennis basically said "I love you" without having to face the panic of saying the actual words.  A big step for him.  And he'll get up the courage to say the words soon enough!  I love this exchange.

Laurel
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 01, 2006, 06:30:33 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 01, 2006, 05:29:08 pm
Howdy Lucise!

WOW! GREAT pic, as usual. Really sexy  ;D

His smile makes me melt melt melt ...  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 01, 2006, 06:31:36 pm
Thanks for that addition, Laurel!  Definitely a good one.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 01, 2006, 06:43:55 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 01, 2006, 06:31:36 pm
Thanks for that addition, Laurel!  Definitely a good one.
Thanks, Louise!  I'm just finishing up rereading "Taking Chances", and I really enjoyed seeing your list of chapter endings, while the chapters were still fresh in my mind.  Brought back lots of pleasant memories!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 01, 2006, 06:57:48 pm
Louise, you never told us that you met Hugh... :P 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/338c7e47.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 01, 2006, 06:59:53 pm
oh my lord, Lucise!  The papparazzi caught me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 01, 2006, 07:04:16 pm
hehe..you better be careful!  I won't post the beach ones.. :P ;)

I got stuff to do, yet I am idling around here..lol
ok..catcha later folks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 01, 2006, 07:07:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 01, 2006, 06:59:53 pm
oh my lord, Lucise!  The papparazzi caught me!
hehehe LOL!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 01, 2006, 07:32:54 pm
Hey Louise

It's Friday night here in London and I've had a couple of glasses of cava whilst reading your exellent series. I always thought that I'd hate any BBM fan fiction that didn't inclde some sort of happy resolution for Jack and Ennis, but what you've written is wwonderful, and gripping and very entertaining!

I must admit it took me a while to get used to Ennis becoming so (comparatively) relaxed about his love for men. However, now that I am in the midst of book 4 the thought that entered my mind was what would Jack's reation to the new adventerous Ennis would be. I mean... dildos, bondage, butt plugs!!!!!!!!!!!! He'd be stunned. But happy for Ennis I think.

Mmmmm.. are these characters real.

Anyway - just wanted to let you know that even now people are discovering your wonderful writing. Thank you.

Ahh.... Cava..(please blame the Spanish fizz for any rambling or glaring spelling mistakes). ;D

Have a good weekend.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 01, 2006, 11:02:10 pm
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh.jpg)

“If I were to die and I could come back as anything, I would want to come back as one of your tears. Who wouldn't want to be conceived in your heart, born in your eyes, live on your cheek, and die on your lips.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 02, 2006, 07:28:29 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/105711.html  "Chapter 13:  Secrets of the Soul"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 02, 2006, 10:18:52 am
Some thoughts upon reading chapter 13

It is as if Ennis is suspended between his old self and the man he is becoming. As the new Ennis emerges like a butterfly from its chrysalis he is both liberated and appalled. For as he gradually frees himself from his fear and shame he is able to see clearly for the first time the hardship he had inflicted on Jack.

Ennis can now see his old self in the light of his new being. He sees his old life and his old relationship in the light of what he has now. For the new Ennis actually experiences what the alternative could have been like. He can measure the distance between that and what he meted out to Jack. That lived experience drives his new understanding and that in turn drives the knife through his heart. 

In a way it would have been easier for him if Ennis had never come out of his shell and lived on in that trailer. While he would still have felt guilty about Jack and regretted what he denied them both, he would still have seen his actions through the prism of his paranoia and limited experience. He would still be explaining it away as something he and Jack had to stand because it couldn’t be fixed.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 02, 2006, 12:41:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 01, 2006, 02:57:05 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/105013.html  "Chapter 12:  Laying Low"

For whatever reason, this computer wouldn't let me log in to my lj account (chat won't work either), so I couldn't post my comment there... so here it is....

I agree (with lil darlin) the cottage does seem soooo incredibly cozy.  Makes me wanna vacation in the rain and snow!  Of course, only as long as I've got someone like Ellery to snuggle up with...
lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 02, 2006, 12:56:38 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 01, 2006, 05:05:08 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/105370.html  "Chapter 13:  Squall"

still can't log in to lj....

I thought the dream sequence leading up to Ennis saying "I love you" to Jack was just masterful.  It flowed so naturally and there was nothing forced or awkward about Ennis' declaration.  I could in fact, just see/hear Jack murmuring, "I love you too," right back...

Even though it happened in his dream, it's still a milestone for Ennis I think.

This next comment has nothing to do with chapter, but is merely a response to some other lj comments.  I think Ellery encouraging Ennis to talk about Jack is natural as well... Ellery is astute/empathetic enough to sense how tortured Ennis by his past... and he wants to help him... I didn't get any weird vibes about Ellery's motivations...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 02, 2006, 12:59:45 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 01, 2006, 06:57:48 pm
Louise, you never told us that you met Hugh... :P 8)
Milli - thanks for the cowboy hat pic!!!  Also, this one with Louise, now that is truly fantastic!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 02, 2006, 01:03:33 pm
whoopsie...

"Secrets of the Soul" was chapter 14.

Duh, at least I got it right on Livejournal.

This site will be done for a while but I am working on chapter 15, so just refresh Livejournal to check for the update if you cannot get into this site.  It is 7 p.m. Central European time now and I expect the new chapter will be up by 9.

Jo,  your comments about Ennis's metamorphosis and change is spot on.  The more he moves into his new awareness, the more he can reflect back on just how difficult he had made life for both himself and Jack, and it does amaze and appall him.  And while this is heresy to many people who have had unpleasant relationships and are now single and enjoying their lives, the fact is that one learns the most about one's previous relationship errors through having a new relationship with another person.  These lessons can be learned in isolation through introspection, but only slowly.  Through the lens of another relationship, however, the lessons come thick and fast, the contrasts hit you in the face.  And this is the rocky road Ennis is now treading!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 02, 2006, 01:14:38 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on September 02, 2006, 10:18:52 am
Some thoughts upon reading chapter 14

well said, mm.  (you too, louise, regarding lessons coming thick and fast through the lens of a new relationship...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 02, 2006, 01:36:22 pm
"The Way I See It" by nB
or
[Deep] Thoughts
or
Personal Introspection and TMI

I was reflecting on E and E during my drive yesterday.  Specifically, I found myself pondering why the scenes with and about Beagle left me more emotionally gutted than the recent scenes with/about Jack.  Don't get me wrong, the Jack scenes are incredibly moving, but the Beagle scenes left me with that "puking by the side of the road feeling" more so than the recent Jack scenes.  I think it is because, to me, in his own way, Ennis did try to make it work with Jack.  Certainly he could've done better, and Jack wanted more, but Ennis did make an effort.  However, there was no effort of any kind from Beagle, just abandonment.

And that folks, is the way I see it.

=)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 02, 2006, 02:17:06 pm
very good point, Kelly.  It is also painful to see Ellery's past relationship in light of his new relationship with Ennis, because the new one is so much better.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 02, 2006, 03:18:06 pm
Howdy folks!  :)
Just chiming in with a lil hello..I wont be online much today but cant wait to read the last 2 chapters!
I hope everyone will be able to "cope" while the site is down for a few hours today..  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 02, 2006, 03:34:17 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/105927.html  "Chapter 15:  Another Birthday"

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 02, 2006, 03:53:45 pm
RE: Chapter 15.

   Pedro?    Don't you mean Basque? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 02, 2006, 04:05:44 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on September 02, 2006, 03:53:45 pm
RE: Chapter 15.

   Pedro?    Don't you mean Basque? 

Is Basque a name? I thought it referred to a person who was from basque heritage, from the Basque Country at the north of Spain.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 02, 2006, 04:08:35 pm
IMDB  lists the actor David Trimble as the character :  Basque.   

"Soup?  I thought you didn't eat no soup?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 02, 2006, 04:18:38 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on September 02, 2006, 04:08:35 pm
IMDB  lists the actor David Trimble as the character :  Basque.   

"Soup?  I thought you didn't eat no soup?"

Yeah I know but since Annie P. refers to him as Basque in the short story, I figured they did the same in the movie. But as far as I'm concerned is not an actual name. I took it as a nickname or something. David Trimble is dressed as a Basque in the movie, so I thought the character was of basque heritage, and everyone called him Basque. Basque names, and especially surnames, are sometimes hard to pronounce. They don't speak Spanish, well they do, but it is not the original Basque Country language. It's euskera.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 02, 2006, 04:20:34 pm
Basque isnt a name, it's a nationality.  He is "the" Basque.  Though he might have been called "Basque", I decided to name him Pedro!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on September 02, 2006, 05:28:26 pm

There are a lot of Basque shepherds in the northern Rocky Mountains. My son in law was born and grew up near Boise, Idaho, where the largest concentration of Basques in North America live. Occasionally the name of the nationality is seen as a given name, but it usually has a Spanish spelling, as in the name, Vasco.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on September 02, 2006, 05:45:31 pm
Another fanart for you.  Ellery and Ennis at the wedding.  What chapter in Shelter From The Storm was this in, can anybody tell me?

(http://static.flickr.com/79/232144816_23d79cf2f3_o.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 02, 2006, 06:02:05 pm
Ooooo!    great pic Quip!!!    :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 02, 2006, 06:32:52 pm
absolutely stunning suits.

Chapter 82 of Shelter from the Storm, Ryan.  Thanks for doing that - are you posting it at BB Slash?  I think your last fan art posting there brought in at least one new reader!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 02, 2006, 08:54:00 pm
What a gorgeous pic Quiplash!  :)  Thank you!

Hehehe and NO frilly shirts eh??  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 02, 2006, 09:36:19 pm
Wonderful pic of the two of them together. No wonder the photographer thought they were the best looking guys there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 02, 2006, 11:21:02 pm
That picture made my day, Quiplash!  Thank you! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 05:49:09 am
...and we're back up!  whoo hee!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on September 03, 2006, 06:35:33 am
Haven't commented in a while, but wanted to say, I was really dreading Ennis and Ellery's conversation about Jack, and was so relieved to see how delicately and respectfully Louise handled it.

I think Ennis IS starting to come to terms with who he is, and what Jack had meant to him, and IMHO it's good for him to be able to talk about it.

But, I think Ellery underestimates the impact these talks are going to have on himself. Ellery is a caretaker, and he habitually puts Ennis's needs before his own. I think he is doing this now, by serving as Ennis's confessor / therapist in this.

I can't believe that Ellery can hear about the depth of Ennis's love and devotion for Jack, and not be hurt – especially when comparing E & E relatively short relationship to J & E 20 years worth of  love .
Interesting to see what's going to happens next…
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 07:08:00 am
welcome back RonitR!

I guess we're going to find out what Ellery is made of aren't we?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 03, 2006, 07:16:29 am
Quote from: RonitR on September 03, 2006, 06:35:33 am
Haven't commented in a while, but wanted to say, I was really dreading Ennis and Ellery's conversation about Jack, and was so relieved to see how delicately and respectfully Louise handled it.

I think Ennis IS starting to come to terms with who he is, and what Jack had meant to him, and IMHO it's good for him to be able to talk about it.

But, I think Ellery underestimates the impact these talks are going to have on himself. Ellery is a caretaker, and he habitually puts Ennis's needs before his own. I think he is doing this now, by serving as Ennis's confessor / therapist in this.

I can't believe that Ellery can hear about the depth of Ennis's love and devotion for Jack, and not be hurt – especially when comparing E & E relatively short relationship to J & E 20 years worth of  love .
Interesting to see what's going to happens next…


IMO, Ellery is not putting Ennis's needs before his own. I think he is just lending a helping hand. He's  being a friend and a true partner because he truly loves Ennis. I think love is much more than having your partner showing you how much he/she loves you. Love is also about being there when your partner is hurting and in need. When Ellery was pissed and hurt over Beagle, Ennis took that role. He put his own pain and suffering aside, to help Ellery out. I don't know what emotional impact it'll have on Ellery, but sometimes, when you help someone else, you end up helping yourself too. And the fact that Ennis is being open about his pain, about his love for Jack, it could encourage Ellery to be open too about whatever he feels about Ennis pain or his relationship with Jack.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on September 03, 2006, 08:28:56 am
I totally agree, Opinionista.

Hope they can (eventually) discuss Ellery's feelings and pain, too

Personally  -  I can (and do) talk with my friends about their past relationships, and am totally with them, and on their side. No problem.

But -  if my husband wanted to discuss his past relationship (of 20 years!) with a woman he loved deeply,  lost, and misses to this day, it would be extremely painful for me (of course, it would perhaps be the right thing to do, to let him talk about it, on many levels, but still – OUCH !! ).

Ellery would have to be made of stone not to feel pain, and not to be even a little insecure. That's just my view, of course.

And Louise – Good to be back !!  :D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 08:42:38 am
and here is your update, boys and girls:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/106660.html  "Chapter 16:  Ranchin Up"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 09:30:25 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 03, 2006, 07:16:29 am
IMO, Ellery is not putting Ennis's needs before his own. I think he is just lending a helping hand. He's  being a friend and a true partner because he truly loves Ennis. I think love is much more than having your partner showing you how much he/she loves you. Love is also about being there when your partner is hurting and in need. When Ellery was pissed and hurt over Beagle, Ennis took that role. He put his own pain and suffering aside, to help Ellery out. I don't know what emotional impact it'll have on Ellery, but sometimes, when you help someone else, you end up helping yourself too. And the fact that Ennis is being open about his pain, about his love for Jack, it could encourage Ellery to be open too about whatever he feels about Ennis pain or his relationship with Jack.
I totally agree too Opinionista.

This is also what true love is all about. Putting your own pain and suffering aside to help your partner get through whatever hardship he or she is going through no matter how hard or hurtful it may be to you.
I think it would have been harder and harder for Ellery if Ennis had continued to keep it all bottled up inside. It's got to be really hard for him to hear and to see Ennis's obvious pain but he knows this is something Ennis really needs to do now and because he loves Ennis so damn much he's there for him 100% of the way.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 11:36:04 am
Quote from: louisev on September 03, 2006, 08:42:38 am
and here is your update, boys and girls:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/106660.html  "Chapter 16:  Ranchin Up"
I don't really know what to think about all that Ellery's said to Ennis.
I'm all torn up inside and confused...
Gotta let of all this sink in properly...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on September 03, 2006, 11:43:28 am
Quote from: louisev on September 03, 2006, 08:42:38 am
and here is your update, boys and girls:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/106660.html  "Chapter 16:  Ranchin Up"

I try not to post anywhere while I'm angry, but I don't have a lot of choice this morning; I'm leaving for brunch in a little while. Alright, alright, I could wait until I get back, but if I do, I might not say something that I think needs to be said right now.

Chapter 16 of the Laramie Saga offers us a new approach to the question of Ennis and Jack ranching up together. Some fanfics offer the possibility of Ennis and Jack becoming quite wealthy very fast as a result of their choosing to get together. Some offer a more realistic depiction of struggles that would have ensued. On the lips of Ellery we hear the salutary recognition that any success in ranching together would likely have been impossible in their time and place.

The separation of Ennis and Jack after their summer on Brokeback Mountain was the result of choices made by both of them. In the story, they drove away from each other. In the movie, Jack drove away and Ennis walked away. When Ennis began to feel physically ill, he did not know what was wrong. It took a year before he recognized that letting Jack Twist out of his sights was the biggest mistake of his life.

In many circles within bbmworld there is a tendency to see Jack Twist as the emblem of all goodness and righteousness. I've written on Jack as a Christ figure in the story and movie. (If you haven't seen what I wrote, it's on my lj - http://pastorfred.livejournal.com (http://pastorfred.livejournal.com)) In real life, where most of us have to live most of the time, Jack is just as human as the rest of us. The way the great love of Ennis and Jack unfolded in their lives was equally the responsibility of both men. Ellery's words to Ennis remind us all of this truth. What makes me see red this morning is the words of some of the commenters on Louise's lj. No honest portrayal of Jack as a flawed human being is to be allowed. No one is allowed to consider Jack as responsible alongside Ennis for the way their lives went. Any hint that Jack made mistakes too is treated as though it were saying that all blame is on Jack.

Any fanfic that allows Ennis any happiness in life after Jack's death is vilified. Ennis can be tortured in any number of ways, but Jack must always and only be revered. I for one am sick and tired of the required dichotomy of bad!Ennis and good!Jack.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 03, 2006, 12:00:06 pm
This is such a great post, pasterfred, I totally agree with everything you said; it's always been a mystery to me that some people thought Jack could do no wrong while Ennis was to blame for everything that went wrong between them.  May I request that you post this on the LJ as well?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on September 03, 2006, 12:19:56 pm
Quote from: yb on September 03, 2006, 12:00:06 pm
This is such a great post, pasterfred, I totally agree with everything you said; it's always been a mystery to me that some people thought Jack could do no wrong while Ennis was to blame for everything that went wrong between them.  May I request that you post this on the LJ as well?

Thanks for the request! I posted the same thing to the lj.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 03, 2006, 12:20:25 pm
Take a deep breath everyone.     We must not forget that Jack was a dreamer, an optimist.

Could they have have had a sweet life together had they reunited before each got married?    Maybe.   But maybe not.   All the reasons Ellery stated are very true.  

Would LD have given Jack money to get lost?    It is very possible.   Alot of money?  Maybe not.   But enough for Jack to go north to get an apartment and find a job?  Sure.

Would things have been complicated if Jack and Ennis divorced both their wives?    Hell yes.

I see nothing wrong with Ellerys statement to Ennis.   If anything, it helps reduce some of Ennis's guilt that things would have been perfect had he stayed with Jack after Brokeback.

People make choices everyday that effect their lives.   The trouble is that we don't know after the fact if they were the right ones or not sometimes.

We all question decisions we have made in the past.  But we still dont know where tomorrows decisions will lead us.   Pro or con.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 12:25:18 pm
Pastorfred,

I guess the main reason for my confusion is that all that Ellery's said to Ennis has never been said before and made a deep impression on me. I've been thinking on it ever since I read the chapter a few hours ago and I tend to agree with all Ellery's said.

Yep, I agree, Jack drove away, could have driven back to Ennis. Ennis walked away but could have decided to get into that truck with Jack.

Any yes, I am SO sick to death of Ennis always being tortured and blamed for everything that went wrong in their lives. There simply is no bad!Ennis and good!Jack.

Thank you for posting this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 12:32:12 pm
well, stay tuned for another heart wrenching chapter, should be ready in the next hour.

June, if it gets to be too tough I'll try to write another parody for you tonight afterward!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 12:40:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 03, 2006, 12:32:12 pm
well, stay tuned for another heart wrenching chapter, should be ready in the next hour.

June, if it gets to be too tough I'll try to write another parody for you tonight afterward!!!
Aww Louise *hugs* you are too sweet! A Modern Way or Some Sweet Life parody?? *grin*
I loved the If Anyone Can Show Just Cause one!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 12:49:58 pm
I'll see what I can do.  writing these emotional chapters takes a  lot out of me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 12:56:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 03, 2006, 12:49:58 pm
I'll see what I can do.  writing these emotional chapters takes a  lot out of me!
Oh Louise, now I feel bad  >:(
I can only imagine how tough they must be to write...so please don't force yourself to write anything you're not up to especially for me!

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 03, 2006, 01:07:47 pm
Quote from: yb on September 03, 2006, 12:00:06 pm
This is such a great post, pasterfred, I totally agree with everything you said; it's always been a mystery to me that some people thought Jack could do no wrong while Ennis was to blame for everything that went wrong between them.  May I request that you post this on the LJ as well?
in
                                                                                                                                                                in my opinion people tend to see jack as never having faults.  he admitted to ennis he had been to mexico.  we know about randall.  and how many others were there when he wasnt rollin his own were there.  he was only faithful to ennis until after ennis got a divorce even after the reunion.  he was not one to sit around and wait.  as he said he couldnt make it on just a couple of high altitude fucks a year..he told ennis he was not like him ennis was doing that until he had basically figured out that jack was not staying true....jack was a sweet endearing and beautiful man.  he was very outgoing and charismatic.  he was a traveling salesman....dont possibly think he was sitting in that room alone all the time...ennis on the otherhand had only one affair and that was cassie..jack knew all the things that ennis was a nd was not going to do..he had been there enough time.  he chose to accept the statas quo and went with it.  he could have departed at anytime.  he may have been doing that very thing.  according to pa twist.  ma may have know about it as well.  however she felt the compassion for ennis enough to allow him to know what he had meant to jack...that was the end of the story of jack and ennis it died and was buried on that grieving plain....we have to accept that...jack is dead and we loved him even with his faults...we have to love ennis with his faults as well.  forgiveness is supposed to ba a two way street...allow ennis to find a new path.  learning from his past and looking forward to the future with a very wonderfully understanding new man.  he is also no saint, he tends to be rash and drinks a bit too much.  however we love him anyway....so please allow louise to tell that story without all the bitterness of the men with the tire irons
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 01:17:15 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/107234.html  "Chapter 17:  Feeling Brokeback"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 03, 2006, 01:28:59 pm
Morning folks!
Beautiful glorious day in Edmonton today, the sky is blue, the sun is shining, the birds are singing .. well, I can't hear no birds just now, but it's just beauitful  :)

Quip ~ Love the pic of E&E in their suits!

I am off to do some E & E reading! 
Louise ~ Thanks for all the updates!  You do know that you spoil us, right?  No complaints here!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 01:52:19 pm
Morning Lucise!  :)

It's nearly 8 pm here! I'm jealous you've still got the whole day ahead of you!!  :D

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 02:17:01 pm
oh yes I know I'm spoiling you, Lucise.

That is to blackmail you into producing more and more fan art.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 03, 2006, 02:41:56 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 01:52:19 pm
Morning Lucise!  :)
It's nearly 8 pm here! I'm jealous you've still got the whole day ahead of you!!  :D
 :)

Oh yes!  ;) 
I have just cooked lunch ~ extra spicy chicken, cooked whole with tons of coriander, garlic, ginger and fresh basil..the smell is wonderful!  You're all invited to my place to dine with me..   I got wine too!  So,.. Who's coming?  ;)


Quote from: louisev on September 03, 2006, 02:17:01 pm
oh yes I know I'm spoiling you, Lucise.

That is to blackmail you into producing more and more fan art.

I can sooo live with that Louise!  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 02:45:09 pm
oh me, me, me!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 03, 2006, 03:04:30 pm
oh yay Louise!   :D
I'll go do some E&E reading while I wait for ya to arrive.. :P

Seriously though, I wish we could all get together somewhere, sometime..It could be a blast!!
Ah well .. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 03:14:57 pm
actually... the Europeans and I have been doing some talking about a possible late fall get-together with the working theme of "All The Way Ta France", which would be to accommodate fans in Spain (Natali), Netherlands (June), me of course (Deutschland), Fabienne (Belgium), and anyone who could haul their butts to Orly Airport in Paris for a pickup.  Our destination, a long weekend in ithe South A France, possibly at June's mom's.  (pending approvals.)  There is also the possibility for those who have young female dependents to drag them along too to join Leslie's Hannah, age 15 and June's Annalise (10).

All very much in the chat stage as it stands right now.  But Fabienne would be responsible for managing the Belgian Chocolate, and I would take responsibility for the Orly Airport pickup in my sleek Ford Focus II which holds five uncomfortably.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 03, 2006, 03:39:28 pm
oh wow!  :D  All the Way to France !  I wish ..

My sorry butt won't be able to attend.. :'( 
As I try to conceal all the different shades of green creeping up under my skin, I must say, that is a superb idea!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 03:51:39 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 03, 2006, 02:45:09 pm
oh me, me, me!!!
And me!!
Oh my, that sounds deelicious!
I had Dutch/Indonesian nasi for dinner - fried rice with spicy chicken - Yummy too!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 03:53:37 pm
okay darnit, now I need some Zigeuner Klößchen.

And for those of you who don't speak German, that means Gypsy meatballs.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 03, 2006, 04:01:12 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 03:51:39 pm
And me!!
Oh my, that sounds deelicious!
I had Dutch/Indonesian nasi for dinner - fried rice with spicy chicken - Yummy too!  ;D

Hmmm..yum :)
I'm gonna have the chicken with herbed sweet yams cooked with butter ..
That and wine and E & E .. this girl is in 7th heaven!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 04:18:32 pm
hee hee, okay okay my din din isnt ready yet, so keep those yummy descriptions down will you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 04:24:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 03, 2006, 04:18:32 pm
hee hee, okay okay my din din isnt ready yet, so keep those yummy descriptions down will you?
You're eating really late Louise!!
Probably due to all the wonderful writing you've been doing!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 03, 2006, 05:54:59 pm
oh yes that was the reason!  not because I was lounging around late in bed and didnt have breakfast until noon.... no, not me!

On my way to bed now... much better prepared for a work week since there will be no high drama involved!  (at least, none outside of "The Long Way Home")

cheers everyone... thanks for all your comments and suggestions.  Livejournal comments have been peaking at all time highs and there were three new readers who just messaged me this weekend.  This being popular thing is exhausting!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 06:00:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 03, 2006, 05:54:59 pm
oh yes that was the reason!  not because I was lounging around late in bed and didnt have breakfast until noon.... no, not me!

On my way to bed now... much better prepared for a work week since there will be no high drama involved!  (at least, none outside of "The Long Way Home")

cheers everyone... thanks for all your comments and suggestions.  Livejournal comments have been peaking at all time highs and there were three new readers who just messaged me this weekend.  This being popular thing is exhausting!
Hehehehe Louise!  ;D
Nite Nite
See you tomorrow  :)
Oh man, I wish I was sleepy right now...damn jet lag!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 03, 2006, 06:14:46 pm
Night Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 03, 2006, 09:14:30 pm
This story is really opening up our thinking about the BBM story as the back comments make clear. Other fanfics which feature Ennis and Jack or just Ennis alone are able to tackle issues in the relationship in a more in-depth fashion than the original story but because the characters are all the same no new perspective is introduced. You end up tending to go around in circles after a while.

But a new relationship brings in a new person and a new perspective which sheds new light on what has gone before and throws up new issues for us all to consider. This is possible because we readers have been prepared in a sense to "move on" as well as Ennis. That is what I looked to do anyway - to break out of the bonds of the original story to see where life might lead Ennis. Not just to move on but break out and let in some fresh air and a longer view and a wider perspective!

And ironically all those who threw their hands up in horror that this all would involve some sort of diminishment of Jack cannot know just how powerful his presence is in the environment of this story and just how important he remains not only to Ennis but to the readers of this story (as the back comments will attest!) What insights they are missing out on by refusing to countenance someone new in Ennis' life at any price.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 03, 2006, 09:29:53 pm
Some H  & H for the evening ...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f582e75b.jpg)


I miss the cowboy hats on the emoticons!   ??? :-\ :P ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 04, 2006, 01:36:52 am
Thanks for the H&H picture, Lucise.  Yes, Louise spoils us, but so do you! :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 04, 2006, 02:13:38 am
Quote from: laurel on September 04, 2006, 01:36:52 am
Thanks for the H&H picture, Lucise.  Yes, Louise spoils us, but so do you! :)
I definitely second that! Thanks Lucise! :)
Miss the hats too... :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 04, 2006, 05:18:08 am
oh my lord...

I think my brain melted this weekend from the combination of new reader comments and existing reader comments... I spent most of the weekend poring over the flood of LJ's I have gotten from seemingly everywhere.  The insights and responses have been incredible - some of them breathtaking - to read, and I have a very "aw shucks" feeling about it all and a little embarrassment at all of the attention.

And here I thought "The Long Way Home" would be a quiet, contemplative story after all the excitement... it would appear that the readers have been ploughing through CSI:Laramie to get to the "good stuff" about Ennis and Jack, and Ennis and Ellery and the Brokeback memorial all this time.  Silly me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 04, 2006, 06:26:33 am
Quote from: louisev on September 04, 2006, 05:18:08 am
And here I thought "The Long Way Home" would be a quiet, contemplative story after all the excitement... it would appear that the readers have been ploughing through CSI:Laramie to get to the "good stuff" about Ennis and Jack, and Ennis and Ellery and the Brokeback memorial all this time.  Silly me.

And good stuff it is, Louise. You're certainly keeping me glued to the screen.
Quote from: louisev on September 03, 2006, 03:14:57 pm
actually... the Europeans and I have been doing some talking about a possible late fall get-together with the working theme of "All The Way Ta France", which would be to accommodate fans in Spain (Natali), Netherlands (June), me of course (Deutschland), Fabienne (Belgium), and anyone who could haul their butts to Orly Airport in Paris for a pickup.  Our destination, a long weekend in ithe South A France, possibly at June's mom's.  (pending approvals.)  There is also the possibility for those who have young female dependents to drag them along too to join Leslie's Hannah, age 15 and June's Annalise (10).

All very much in the chat stage as it stands right now.  But Fabienne would be responsible for managing the Belgian Chocolate, and I would take responsibility for the Orly Airport pickup in my sleek Ford Focus II which holds five uncomfortably.

OMG  :o? i need to get back in the chatroom to talk to all the chocoholics  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 04, 2006, 06:31:08 am
welcome back Fabienne!

The plans are in complete flux... since it is unlikely that Natali can make it we are considering moving our venue north, and Brussels has been proposed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 04, 2006, 08:43:25 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/107735.html  "Chapter 18:  A Place In Your Heart"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 04, 2006, 08:47:09 am
Quote from: louisev on September 04, 2006, 05:18:08 am
oh my lord...

I think my brain melted this weekend from the combination of new reader comments and existing reader comments... I spent most of the weekend poring over the flood of LJ's I have gotten from seemingly everywhere.  The insights and responses have been incredible - some of them breathtaking - to read, and I have a very "aw shucks" feeling about it all and a little embarrassment at all of the attention.

And here I thought "The Long Way Home" would be a quiet, contemplative story after all the excitement... it would appear that the readers have been ploughing through CSI:Laramie to get to the "good stuff" about Ennis and Jack, and Ennis and Ellery and the Brokeback memorial all this time.  Silly me.
Aww Louise,
You just deserve all the attention you get!
You've had me hooked and totally in love with The Laragmie Saga from day 1  :)

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 04, 2006, 08:48:27 am
Quote from: louisev on September 04, 2006, 08:43:25 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/107735.html  "Chapter 18:  A Place In Your Heart"
*off to read!*
Yippee!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 04, 2006, 09:16:40 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 04, 2006, 08:47:09 am
Aww Louise,
You just deserve all the attention you get!
You've had me hooked and totally in love with The Laragmie Saga from day 1  :)

 :-*

awwww shucks.

See? There I go again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 04, 2006, 10:57:45 am
Quote from: louisev on September 04, 2006, 06:31:08 am
welcome back Fabienne!

The plans are in complete flux... since it is unlikely that Natali can make it we are considering moving our venue north, and Brussels has been proposed.

Brussels, huh? lots of chocolat shops of course  :laugh:
sounds good

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 04, 2006, 10:59:05 am
oh, I forgot:

Quote from: Bigheart on September 04, 2006, 08:47:09 am
Aww Louise,
You just deserve all the attention you get!
You've had me hooked and totally in love with The Laragmie Saga from day 1  :)

 :-*

i'll second that!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 04, 2006, 01:14:23 pm
How's it hangin' folks!  :D

I still can't get over these bald emoticons!  I need the cowboy hats back on them!!!!  >:( >:( >:( 8)


Quote from: belbbmfan on September 04, 2006, 10:59:05 am
i'll second that!  :-*

And I'll second what she's seconding!!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 04, 2006, 01:17:32 pm
Two beautiful smiles to get my engines going as I try to do some cleaning .. ::) ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/ce3202f1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 04, 2006, 02:09:42 pm
I could use some of those engines too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 04, 2006, 02:51:43 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 04, 2006, 02:09:42 pm
I could use some of those engines too!
Me too..... ::) ::) ;

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 04, 2006, 03:10:53 pm
Well ladies, this one definitely gets my engines going .. ;)

I call it "Lover's Whisper" .. 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/596b9f0e.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 04, 2006, 03:33:25 pm
Ahh Lucise...I'm pretty speechless...OMG!

I think this has to be my favourite one so far...Ellery's face...*deep sigh*

Just beautiful

Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 04, 2006, 04:00:22 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/108006.html  "Chapter 19:  In Memoriam"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 04, 2006, 05:18:07 pm
Yer welcome BigH!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on September 04, 2006, 05:36:05 pm
Lucise, the pictures are awesome! Can't stop looking at them!

And Louise, you are absolutely on fire with these latest chapters. Oh. My. Gosh. It fills me up and I have to mull over each new step that our boys take on this emotional journey. Such rich reading. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 04, 2006, 05:53:13 pm
I am glad you approve!!!

I was quite satisfied with the most recent chapters!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on September 04, 2006, 07:42:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 04, 2006, 05:53:13 pm
I am glad you approve!!!

I was quite satisfied with the most recent chapters!!

So you should be, Louise.  They show great empathy and understanding and how the world really works.  You really know what you are talking about.  Where you got your wisdom, I don't know, but thank you for sharing it with me (us). These last chapters have been mind boggling.  Ennis is working things out, naturally and realistically and so is Ellery  Thanks for your insight into the ways of the world.  Now take a big sigh and keep writing!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 04, 2006, 08:16:32 pm
Quote from: scudder on September 04, 2006, 07:42:04 pm
So you should be, Louise.  They show great empathy and understanding and how the world really works.  You really know what you are talking about.  Where you got your wisdom, I don't know, but thank you for sharing it with me (us). These last chapters have been mind boggling.  Ennis is working things out, naturally and realistically and so is Ellery  Thanks for your insight into the ways of the world.  Now take a big sigh and keep writing!

I agree Scudder. This story has life's pattern imprinted on it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 04, 2006, 11:46:43 pm
Chapter 19: In Memoriam

Great work Louise.  Cheers.
I read it through twice, I loved Ennis up there with Jack... I love that he told him he loved him.
Beautiful.


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/520c6004.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 05, 2006, 12:19:04 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 03, 2006, 07:16:29 am
sometimes, when you help someone else, you end up helping yourself too. And the fact that Ennis is being open about his pain, about his love for Jack, it could encourage Ellery to be open too about whatever he feels about Ennis pain or his relationship with Jack.

(I'm back and starting to get caught up on chapters!)

Nat, what a lovely thing to say above.  I am fearful about how Ellery will handle all of this... but I hope you are correct in the sense of Ennis being open encouraging Ellery to be open, etc...

I think if we look at what happened with Beagle and Ellery, we know Ellery isn't perfect, that he has trouble dealing with his emotions sometimes too... but Ennis really helped him get through that... so I think even if Ellery does end up having unexpected trouble with Ennis' revelation about Jack... I think Ennis will still be there for him, and they will be able to work through it.  I think they have made that committment to each other - and I think they will both honor it.

(Of course, all of this is speculation... Louise has done masterfully so far, so, que sera sera...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 05, 2006, 12:35:13 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 03, 2006, 11:36:04 am
I don't really know what to think about all that Ellery's said to Ennis.
I'm all torn up inside and confused...
Gotta let of all this sink in properly...

You know, I think Ellery and Ennis may feel exactly this same way, June...

(I just finished reading Chap 16 Ranchin' Up...  I only skimmed thru most of the commentary... and i'm behind, but my 2 cents, since I'm allowed: Ellery's allegiance here is to Ennis... he sees Ennis in terrible pain, and he is trying to help ease Ennis' pain by pointing out some problems with Jack's dream.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 05, 2006, 12:38:11 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on September 03, 2006, 12:20:25 pm
People make choices everyday that effect their lives.   The trouble is that we don't know after the fact if they were the right ones or not sometimes.

We all question decisions we have made in the past.  But we still dont know where tomorrows decisions will lead us.   Pro or con.

So much wisdom around here, it is nice.

PS - Fred - thanks for showing us you're human too, by doing the 'angry' post...
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 05, 2006, 01:23:55 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 03, 2006, 02:41:56 pm
Oh yes!  ;) 
I have just cooked lunch ~ extra spicy chicken, cooked whole with tons of coriander, garlic, ginger and fresh basil..the smell is wonderful!  You're all invited to my place to dine with me..   I got wine too!  So,.. Who's coming?  ;)


I can sooo live with that Louise!  :)



Can I come for leftovers???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 05, 2006, 01:31:24 am
I am supposed to be in bed, but I just had to say what a beautiful journey it has been, from chap 1 of Taking Chances, to the most recent chap 19  In Memoriam... I wouldn't change any step along the way...  I think I'll be reliving this Jack and Ennis moment on the mountain for quite some time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 05, 2006, 01:51:39 am
Quote from: scudder on September 04, 2006, 07:42:04 pm
So you should be, Louise.  They show great empathy and understanding and how the world really works.  You really know what you are talking about.  Where you got your wisdom, I don't know, but thank you for sharing it with me (us). These last chapters have been mind boggling.  Ennis is working things out, naturally and realistically and so is Ellery  Thanks for your insight into the ways of the world.  Now take a big sigh and keep writing!

scudder, that is beautiful, and so true!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 05, 2006, 02:37:23 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 04, 2006, 11:46:43 pm
Chapter 19: In Memoriam

Great work Louise.  Cheers.
I read it through twice, I loved Ennis up there with Jack... I love that he told him he loved him.
Beautiful.


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/520c6004.jpg)
Oh Lucise! I so love you for ALL your BEAUTIFUL SPECIAL fanart!!
This one is soo special.
Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 05, 2006, 02:39:33 am
Quote from: notBastet on September 05, 2006, 01:31:24 am
I think I'll be reliving this Jack and Ennis moment on the mountain for quite some time.
Me too...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 05, 2006, 04:17:13 am
lovely picture, Lucise.  Gives us all something to contemplate!

And thanks for all of the super wonderful comments... from everyone! I do feel like a rock star now!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 05, 2006, 08:03:05 am
I was tempted to post YOU ROCK LOUISE in 48 pt red capital letters with flashing neon lights etc but I managed to desist. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 05, 2006, 08:15:54 am
magicmountain, I had the same urge to post 'Louise, you rock' in one of the previous chapters but I restrained myself thinking that it might be too provoking to some people.

pastorfred, thanks for posting that message on the LiveJournal.  Sorry, I mis-spelt your name.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 05, 2006, 08:18:27 am
ok you guys just made me giggle wildly, and since I still have stitches in, after giggling I went "ow ow ow ow ow ow!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 05, 2006, 08:25:09 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 05, 2006, 08:03:05 am
I was tempted to post YOU ROCK LOUISE in 48 pt red capital letters with flashing neon lights etc but I managed to desist. ;) ;)

Oh, why?

YOU ROCK LOUISE!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 05, 2006, 08:36:43 am

I rock?

(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/232/boneswhalecloseupwr8.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 05, 2006, 08:59:05 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 05, 2006, 08:03:05 am
I was tempted to post YOU ROCK LOUISE in 48 pt red capital letters with flashing neon lights etc but I managed to desist. ;) ;)

 :) ;D :D :) ;D :D :) ;D :D :) ;D :D

Hey the cowboy emoticons are back!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 05, 2006, 09:05:10 am
yeah, Mr. Upgrade forgot the custom emoticon set and had the "Default Smiley" set.  Which made me crack up.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 05, 2006, 09:05:47 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/108196.html  "Chapter 20:  In the Wild"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 05, 2006, 09:39:04 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 05, 2006, 08:25:09 am
Oh, why?

YOU ROCK LOUISE!
I LOVE this Leslie!!

That's why I'm quoting it again!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on September 05, 2006, 11:15:16 am
Quote from: notBastet on September 05, 2006, 12:38:11 am
So much wisdom around here, it is nice.

PS - Fred - thanks for showing us you're human too, by doing the 'angry' post...
 ;)

Thanks, Kelly! It's really good to be accepted for who I really am. That gives me some perspective on how Ennis and Ellery must feel around Wes and Edna, among others.

I'll be away from chat more than usual this week and next week: A friend has gotten me hooked on the model train exhibit at our county fair. Preparations this week and the fair next week will keep me busy but happy.
                                                        :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 05, 2006, 11:28:08 am
Morning all!

Good to see the hats back on the smilies.  phew ..  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 05, 2006, 12:31:30 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on September 05, 2006, 11:15:16 am
Thanks, Kelly! It's really good to be accepted for who I really am. That gives me some perspective on how Ennis and Ellery must feel around Wes and Edna, among others.

I'll be away from chat more than usual this week and next week: A friend has gotten me hooked on the model train exhibit at our county fair. Preparations this week and the fair next week will keep me busy but happy.
                                                        :)


Have fun Fred!

More fun with cowboy emoticons:
 ;) ;D ;) ;D ;) ;D ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 05, 2006, 01:26:10 pm

"Hey...Ennis.. Where's your left hand ... wait, that tickles..tehehe..stop it!"   ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/0e1b743c.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on September 05, 2006, 01:44:18 pm


Lucise, you're marvelous!  Where do you come up with those great ideas for pictures?  I still like the Ennis in the green shirt the best.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 05, 2006, 01:56:29 pm
Cheers Scudder, Green Ennis ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f099a082.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on September 05, 2006, 02:06:35 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 05, 2006, 01:56:29 pm
Cheers Scudder, Green Ennis ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f099a082.jpg)

Thanks, Lucise.  It's a great picture of both of them, but even better of Ennis!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 05, 2006, 03:07:32 pm
Scudder now don't be giving our Hugh the cold shoulder.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 05, 2006, 03:55:09 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/108426.html  "Chapter 21:  Sharpshooters"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on September 05, 2006, 05:37:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 05, 2006, 03:07:32 pm
Scudder now don't be giving our Hugh the cold shoulder.

I'm not, Louise.  I think he is perfect for Ellery.  I just like blonds a little more!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 05, 2006, 06:10:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 05, 2006, 03:55:09 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/108426.html  "Chapter 21:  Sharpshooters"
I'm glad Ennis won!!  ;D
Not too sure why exactly, it just made me feel good! And I LOVED Ellery's reaction to it!! LOL!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 05, 2006, 06:24:53 pm
Some hot hot Hugh  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/wday-tank.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/snl2.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/LuckNumPrem.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hj_leno2.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/eddie4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 05, 2006, 08:02:28 pm
The smile in that fourth picture sort of takes my breath away!! the one with the space needle in the back, OH MY!!  SIGH
Thanks! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 05, 2006, 08:14:32 pm
Looks like that gun's goin' off again Louise! :D 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 06, 2006, 03:26:17 am
OMG! More Hugh deliciousness! :o  Thank you Lucise and Opinionista!

I can't believe I saw him in all three X-Men movies and never realized how gorgeous he is!  I must have been distracted by the sideburns and the funny Wolverine hair!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 06, 2006, 03:43:41 am
I am so pleased that The Laramine Saga is getting more and more readers, as it certainly deserves them!  It was a great idea to announce updates on Brokeback Slash and Wranglers, Louise.  It seems like every time I read a chapter, there are glowing comments from someone I've never heard of before.  Although there are people who just will never accept a MovingOn!Ennis story, it must be gratifying to know that there are so many readers out there who respect and appreciate what you are doing, and who understand the deep regard you and your characters have for Jack. 

It was great to see comments from MadLori.  She's a goddess of BBM slash!  Her story Human Interest was the first BBM fiction I ever read, and I enjoyed it so much, it just whetted my appetite for more!

Thank you, Louise, for continuing with this wonderful story. :)

Laurel
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 05:32:29 am
Thanks everyone for all of the support and the warm reception for the shooting contest.  There is a bit more shooting to be done as you can tell in the upcoming chapter, and yes, I too am excited that Mad Lori decided not only to join in the fun but also to join Bettermost.

Welcome new fans, to the madness and fun that is the E & E thread!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 08:57:22 am
Quote from: laurel on September 06, 2006, 03:43:41 am
 

It was great to see comments from MadLori.  She's a goddess of BBM slash!  Her story Human Interest was the first BBM fiction I ever read, and I enjoyed it so much, it just whetted my appetite for more!

I thought her comments were wonderful!  :)

It was the first I ever read too, it's what got me hooked to slash!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 06, 2006, 09:31:01 am
Hello everyone! I just wanted to pop my head in and say hi, my name is Mandy and I'm addicted to Ennis and Ellery.  ;)

I found this story only a couple of weeks ago and I'm in love and now that I'm all caught up I just thought I'd join the fan group...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 09:47:47 am
Quote from: littleguitar on September 06, 2006, 09:31:01 am
Hello everyone! I just wanted to pop my head in and say hi, my name is Mandy and I'm addicted to Ennis and Ellery.  ;)

I found this story only a couple of weeks ago and I'm in love and now that I'm all caught up I just thought I'd join the fan group...

Welcome, Mandy...we are glad to have you here. Enjoy the story and consider adding to one or more of the galleries we have going.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on September 06, 2006, 10:07:25 am
Quote from: louisev on September 06, 2006, 05:32:29 am
Thanks everyone for all of the support and the warm reception for the shooting contest.  There is a bit more shooting to be done as you can tell in the upcoming chapter, and yes, I too am excited that Mad Lori decided not only to join in the fun but also to join Bettermost.

Welcome new fans, to the madness and fun that is the E & E thread!

I was a sharpshooter in the Army, and it ain't easy.  Those boys sure are good!  and this is a great memory for the two of them to share.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 06, 2006, 10:08:58 am
Hi everyone. I,ve posted on LJ a lot so I thought I,d start here too. This is a brilliant story Louise..trouble is, it stops me from sleeping sometimes. ;) You write some HOT stuff!! :o :o I love some of the artwork too. Whoever does that is very talented. I hope to be around for a while and look forward to more hot stuff. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 10:16:52 am
Quote from: souxi on September 06, 2006, 10:08:58 am
Hi everyone. I,ve posted on LJ a lot so I thought I,d start here too. This is a brilliant story Louise..trouble is, it stops me from sleeping sometimes. ;) You write some HOT stuff!! :o :o I love some of the artwork too. Whoever does that is very talented. I hope to be around for a while and look forward to more hot stuff. ;) ;)

Hi Souxi,

I recognize your name from LJ. Welcome...glad to have you here. This is a fun group. I think you read other stories, too, right? (Like mine, hint hint). We have a fanfic forum here at bettermost with links and discussion for a large number of fics...and the list is growing daily.

Take care and have fun here,

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 06, 2006, 10:38:39 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 10:16:52 am
Hi Souxi,

I recognize your name from LJ. Welcome...glad to have you here. This is a fun group. I think you read other stories, too, right? (Like mine, hint hint). We have a fanfic forum here at bettermost with links and discussion for a large number of fics...and the list is growing daily.

Take care and have fun here,

Leslie

Hi Leslie, yes I certainly do read your stories..I love the nipple ring lol...in fact I wouldnt mind having a tweak of that...gently of course. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 06, 2006, 11:33:38 am
Welcome to Bettermost Souxi ..  :)

I have read some of your comments on LJ.
Glad to hear you like some of the photo art work.
Nice avatar too!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 06, 2006, 11:58:35 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 06, 2006, 11:33:38 am
Welcome to Bettermost Souxi ..  :)

I have read some of your comments on LJ.
Glad to hear you like some of the photo art work.
Nice avatar too!  ;)

Ahhhh from reading through all the posts I see your the photo lady Lucise. There are some seriously HOT pics around here...phew! :o :o One thing I wanted to ask, how do I put a picture as a signature under my type please? I,ve got some hot ones, lol, and I,d like one as a siggy instead of a blank space.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 12:05:58 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 06, 2006, 10:08:58 am
Hi everyone. I,ve posted on LJ a lot so I thought I,d start here too. This is a brilliant story Louise..trouble is, it stops me from sleeping sometimes. ;) You write some HOT stuff!! :o :o I love some of the artwork too. Whoever does that is very talented. I hope to be around for a while and look forward to more hot stuff. ;) ;)
Hey there souxi! Really good to see you here!!
You finally came out from under that icy shower eh?? LOL! *WINK*
Will I ever get to hear about those...unmentionable super HOT E&E dreams?? Haha, LOL!
Look forward to that siggy picture!  ;)  ;D

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 06, 2006, 12:22:21 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 06, 2006, 11:58:35 am
Ahhhh from reading through all the posts I see your the photo lady Lucise. There are some seriously HOT pics around here...phew! :o :o One thing I wanted to ask, how do I put a picture as a signature under my type please? I,ve got some hot ones, lol, and I,d like one as a siggy instead of a blank space.

Hey Souxi,

Click the "Profile" button above,  go to the "Forum Profile Information" link on the left. Then go to the "Signature" section towards the bottom of the page.  If the image is online, you can add the image using the "img" tags around the URL or link in the signature text box.

I dont know if this makes any sense?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 06, 2006, 12:28:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 06, 2006, 12:22:21 pm
Hey Souxi,

Click the "Profile" button above,  go to the "Forum Profile Information" link on the left. Then go to the "Signature" section towards the bottom of the page.  If the image is online, you can add the image using the "img" tags around the URL or link in the signature text box.

I dont know if this makes any sense?  :)

Ermmmmmmmmm yes kind of lol. I did all that. I had an empty siggy box and two boxes that I could put web addys/urls in. Do I type something in the siggy box or one of the web boxes? if that makes sense. Sorry to be dim lol I,ve never done this before.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 06, 2006, 12:41:10 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 06, 2006, 12:28:36 pm
Ermmmmmmmmm yes kind of lol. I did all that. I had an empty siggy box and two boxes that I could put web addys/urls in. Do I type something in the siggy box or one of the web boxes? if that makes sense. Sorry to be dim lol I,ve never done this before.

In the signature box is where you enter the image link and tags..  For example:

[ img ] TheLinkGoesHere [ /img ]

Note that there should be no spaces between the img tags and the square brackets..
Try that .. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 12:49:56 pm
Wow!  I go have my stitches out and look what happens!

Welcome souxi, and littleguitar!  I have been warned by a couple of other readers that they are "catching up and will be joining the forum soon" because they don't want to be tempted by spoilers.  So our little family, cozy as it has been, is expanding.  And I am just grinning stupidly with pleasure.

For any of you who have been out the wide world of the BBM fandom and run across some controversy or criticism of my work, however, the readers who have stuck with the 4 1/3 volumes so far feel very differently about Ennis finding his new sexual horizons and indulging in what they call "soft play."  I have had a HUGE lot of positive feedback, and a little pleading from readers to go further with Ennis's adventuring.  If it were Ellery and a different partner that might be believable, but as it stands at the moment, I think we've gone about as far into kinky as it's going to get.  However, it would seem that post-shooting-contest-sex is a new horizon which is entirely in Ennis's purview.

I am cooking my dinner and winding down and here should be another chapter up after I get that underway.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 12:50:58 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 06, 2006, 09:31:01 am
Hello everyone! I just wanted to pop my head in and say hi, my name is Mandy and I'm addicted to Ennis and Ellery.  ;)

I found this story only a couple of weeks ago and I'm in love and now that I'm all caught up I just thought I'd join the fan group...
Hi Mandy!  :)
Very nice to see you here!

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 06, 2006, 01:55:27 pm
Hello all.  My first post on this thread.

I can't believe that the mere fact that I'd started reading/commenting on this story (story?  no, magnum opus) was worthy of discussion on this thread.  Y'all are gonna make my head swell up.

Anyhoo, just popping in to say hello and to join in the Ennis/Ellery love-in. 

Meanwhile, I obsessively refresh Louise's September archive page every five minutes.  Sigh.  Once a fangirl, always a fangirl.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 02:01:45 pm
Hey Louise!

How are you feeling now? Did everything go okay at the dentist?

Hmmm, about the kinky stuff, I'm sure there is loads more stuff they could do but you are right, would that be believeble? I really had to get used to Ennis using the big black dildo!  :o :o LOL! At the time that seemed pretty far out to me! HOT as hell though!!!  ;D I aint complaining! LOL

 :)

Isn't there a word in German for (water)melon??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 02:06:39 pm
I see some familiar faces, new and old, are here online. For anyone who has a minute, we are chatting away right now. One advantage of the chat, Louise posts her updates there FIRST....hee hee....and she is typity typing right now.

Leslie
MW
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 06, 2006, 02:09:21 pm
Lori ~

Great to see you here!
I have loved reading Human Interest and Two Crows Joy!
Keep up all your excellent work!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 06, 2006, 02:11:38 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 02:01:45 pm
Hey Louise!

How are you feeling now? Did everything go okay at the dentist?

Hmmm, about the kinky stuff, I'm sure there is loads more stuff they could do but you are right, would that be believeble? I really had to get used to Ennis using the big black dildo!  :o :o LOL! At the time that seemed pretty far out to me! HOT as hell though!!!  ;D I aint complaining! LOL

 :)

Isn't there a word in German for (water)melon??

Noooooooo me neither LOL. Maybe Ellery can use it on Ennis one day? I mean HE hasnt got a bad back has he? He can take it rough lol.  ;) ;) ;) ;)
btw I just looked in my daughters German dictionary and apparantly melon in German is spelt "melone".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 06, 2006, 02:11:55 pm
Thank you, Lucise!  But this forum isn't about me!  It's about LOUISE!  And new chapters.  Yay for new chapters!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 02:19:04 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 02:01:45 pm
Hey Louise!

How are you feeling now? Did everything go okay at the dentist?

Hmmm, about the kinky stuff, I'm sure there is loads more stuff they could do but you are right, would that be believeble? I really had to get used to Ennis using the big black dildo!  :o :o LOL! At the time that seemed pretty far out to me! HOT as hell though!!!  ;D I aint complaining! LOL

 :)

Isn't there a word in German for (water)melon??

oh yes, wassermelone.  But the melon I was trying to find is a Piel de Sapo (toad skin) melon, native to the Canary Islands, and they call them a Zuckermelon here, which is also the word used for cantaloupe, which is very different-looking.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 06, 2006, 02:21:16 pm
Hugh hugh hugh... ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/15838bef.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/947a513f.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 06, 2006, 02:22:50 pm
heath heath heath ...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/0a3a1f95.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 02:24:10 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 06, 2006, 02:11:55 pm
Thank you, Lucise!  But this forum isn't about me!  It's about LOUISE!  And new chapters.  Yay for new chapters!
Oh I'm dying for a new chapter!

You about finished dinner Louise?!?  :P  ;D  :-*

Oh and HI Lori!! Welcome!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 02:24:39 pm
yes yes yes I'm typing!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 02:28:48 pm
Oh Lucise, what on earth would we do without you?!

GREAT pics!! LOVE Hugh's arms in the blue t-shirt pic....*sigh*

Are Ellery's arms like that? Or are they just as skinny as the rest of him?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 02:30:22 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 06, 2006, 02:24:39 pm
yes yes yes I'm typing!!!!
Squeeeee!!!

Sorry Lucise.....!  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 02:31:17 pm
He is damned skinny but not without some muscle tone.  Looks like both of those Hugh pics are half-pumped up from his Wolverine size.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 06, 2006, 02:35:56 pm
All your Hugh are belong to us.

Mwa ha ha ha.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 02:36:41 pm
You know what I was thinking Louise, I was reading my siggy line just now and I realised Ennis doesn't get sex headaches anymore!! This is probably totally useless information LOL  :D  ::) but I also wanted to say that I really really enjoyed that conversation with Wayne!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 02:54:05 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/108598.html  "Chapter 22:  China Doll"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 06, 2006, 03:02:25 pm
Okay, I think my new LJ subtitle needs to be "Don't be askin' me no hard questions when I'm fryin' Spam, boy."

Heh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 03:10:22 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 06, 2006, 03:02:25 pm
Okay, I think my new LJ subtitle needs to be "Don't be askin' me no hard questions when I'm fryin' Spam, boy."

Heh.

Hey Lori,

You need a signature, you need an avatar...you drank the kool aid, now you're in the club.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 03:11:48 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 03:10:22 pm
Hey Lori,

You need a signature, you need an avatar...you drank the kool aid, now you're in the club.

L

louise giggles helplessly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 06, 2006, 03:16:56 pm
Welcome Mandy, Souxi and MadLori!

I was the new kid here not that long ago, as I didn't discover The Laramie Saga until Louise was in the middle of writing book three.  I read like crazy to catch up (way too many 4 AM bedtimes!), but it was nice knowing that I could read as many new chapters as I wanted in a day!  Now that I've been caught up for a while, I'm like every one else, checking back several times a day for updates.  We're a greedy group!  With so many new readers discovering the saga, I'm starting to feel like one of the "old-timers"!

I joined Bettermost a month or so ago, and was warmly welcomed from the start.  This is a really nice (and fun!) group of people here.  I've enjoyed exploring some of the other threads too.  I highly recommend the photo caption thread Louise started on "I Love the Lighter Side": 

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3836.0 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3836.0)

(Hope that worked - I've never tried to put in a link before.)

Again, welcome.  I hope you enjoy being here as much as I do!

Laurel



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 06, 2006, 03:17:36 pm
Another great chapter Louisev!

Thanks!

David    :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 06, 2006, 03:41:56 pm
Hey June -

Leslie and I are also big fans of the post-coital intimate chats!!!

(Louise just rolls her eyes at me whenever I beg for them to last a little longer...)

So we've got Mr. Coyote and China Doll - imagine the ribbin' Ellery would get at the bar if it slipped out that he was a China Doll...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 06, 2006, 03:43:13 pm
Louise, do you have a current word count for the whole series?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 03:52:46 pm

Taking Chances:                150,480
Looking for Answers           122,081
A Second Chance               145,152
Shelter from the Storm       129,780

Total up to current             547,493

The Long Way Home:           30,247 to date

So total is 577,740 up to chapter 22.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 04:06:03 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 06, 2006, 03:41:56 pm
Hey June -

Leslie and I are also big fans of the post-coital intimate chats!!!

(Louise just rolls her eyes at me whenever I beg for them to last a little longer...)

So we've got Mr. Coyote and China Doll - imagine the ribbin' Ellery would get at the bar if it slipped out that he was a China Doll...
Oh yeah Kelly, I love chapters with really loooooooong after sex heart to hearts. Are you reading this Louise?!?
You know, often enough,  I enjoy them much more than the actual 'gettin fancy' stuff!  :o  :o  ;D That's hot and sexy and can get me all hot and bothered  ;D but the relaxed, sweet, easy going and FUN chats can really get to me

Oh, I can only imagine the reactions...

Is it Ellery's first nickname? I know Ennis has 4 of them, my favourites being Buttercup  ;D and Mr Please an Thank You!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 06, 2006, 04:11:14 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 04:06:03 pm
Oh yeah Kelly, I love chapters with really loooooooong after sex heart to hearts. Are you reading this Louise?!?
You know, often enough,  I enjoy them much more than the actual 'gettin fancy' stuff!  :o  :o  ;D That's hot and sexy and can get me all hot and bothered  ;D but the relaxed, sweet, easy going and FUN chats can really get to me

Oh, I can only imagine the reactions...

Is it Ellery's first nickname? I know Ennis has 4 of them, my favourites being Buttercup  ;D and Mr Please an Thank You!


Is this the black dildo you meant June? If I dream tonight, I shall blame you entirely LOL.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 04:31:30 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 04:06:03 pm
Oh yeah Kelly, I love chapters with really loooooooong after sex heart to hearts. Are you reading this Louise?!?
You know, often enough,  I enjoy them much more than the actual 'gettin fancy' stuff!  :o  :o  ;D That's hot and sexy and can get me all hot and bothered  ;D but the relaxed, sweet, easy going and FUN chats can really get to me

Oh, I can only imagine the reactions...

Is it Ellery's first nickname? I know Ennis has 4 of them, my favourites being Buttercup  ;D and Mr Please an Thank You!

we know of a couple of more:

Chief Deputy Darlin
Officer Darlin
Gabe's nickname for him:  Ellie Mae Cantrell...!

and of course, Rapunzel.

“Yer more like Rapunzel gettin ready fer the Prince ain’t you?”

“Oh yer gonna call me Rapunzel now, huh?  Ain’t my hair a little dark ta be Rapunzel?”

“I dunno, why can’t ya have a black hair Rapunzel?”

“Because she had golden hair, Ennis.”

“Well you ain’t a beautiful young girl neither, so I can still call ya Rapunzel.  There, yer all combed out.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 04:46:08 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 06, 2006, 04:11:14 pm


Is this the black dildo you meant June? If I dream tonight, I shall blame you entirely LOL.  ;D ;D ;D

Oh man souxi! You are something else!! Jeeeez!!  ;D  ;D
 I thought you had gone to bed?! Guess you couldn't get to sleep eh??  ;D I wonder why??
No! no! don't blame me  ;D Blame Louise for introducing it in the first place!  ;D

*waves to Louise*  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 04:50:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 06, 2006, 04:31:30 pm
we know of a couple of more:

Chief Deputy Darlin
Officer Darlin
Gabe's nickname for him:  Ellie Mae Cantrell...!

Of course Louise!

I can be such a forgetful dumbass *smacks self on forehead*  *blushes*

What was I thinking?? I knew about the Darlin ones but totally forgot the Rapunzel one! Sorry....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 06, 2006, 04:55:44 pm
Right Miss, I,m definatley going to bed now......... God help me LOL.If I have rude dreams, it,s all your fault for giving me the link to that story..phew!! :o :o :oHow am I sposed to sleep after that?? Gawd LOL. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 05:58:44 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 06, 2006, 04:55:44 pm
Right Miss, I,m definatley going to bed now......... God help me LOL.If I have rude dreams, it,s all your fault for giving me the link to that story..phew!! :o :o :oHow am I sposed to sleep after that?? Gawd LOL. ;) ;)
Yep, that story was something else wasn't it?? I've just been reading some of the comments to it! LOL
Okay, next time I'll give you links like that first thing in the morning! SO you can have your freezing shower right after reading it!

 ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 06, 2006, 06:08:21 pm
you guys... are teasing me. I didnt get copied on this story...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 06:19:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 06, 2006, 06:08:21 pm
you guys... are teasing me. I didnt get copied on this story...!
Awww Louise  :-*

I pmd you  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 06, 2006, 06:40:20 pm
*Laurel taps foot, hands on hips*
There's a story out there that will cause rude dreams?! :o
Share with the rest of the class, please!! ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 06, 2006, 06:54:24 pm
Quote from: laurel on September 06, 2006, 06:40:20 pm
*Laurel taps foot, hands on hips*
There's a story out there that will cause rude dreams?! :o
Share with the rest of the class, please!! ;)


I'm sorry folks and Louise if we've been rude. This IS the Ennis and Ellery thread.

I guess Souxi and I should have kept it in pm.

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on September 06, 2006, 07:03:51 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 06, 2006, 02:21:16 pm
Hugh hugh hugh... ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/15838bef.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/947a513f.jpg)


Damn! What have I been missing!?!?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 07:18:35 pm
Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on September 06, 2006, 07:03:51 pm
Damn! What have I been missing!?!?  :laugh:

Darlin,

What have you been missing? I have been trying to tell you for months....a wonderful story, full of everything we have come to love and respect in Brokeback Mountain. Yes...Jack is not alive, but Jack is very much alive in Ennis's heart and honored in this story. And the other thing this story has is...A STORY. Lots of action, interesting characters, fabulous dialog...Jeff, I know you have had reasons for not reading this but maybe now is the time?

Hugs and more,

Leslie
xoxo
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 06, 2006, 07:53:28 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 07:18:35 pm
Darlin,

What have you been missing? I have been trying to tell you for months....a wonderful story, full of everything we have come to love and respect in Brokeback Mountain. Yes...Jack is not alive, but Jack is very much alive in Ennis's heart and honored in this story. And the other thing this story has is...A STORY. Lots of action, interesting characters, fabulous dialog...Jeff, I know you have had reasons for not reading this but maybe now is the time?

Hugs and more,

Leslie
xoxo

It has lots of mansex too. Sizzling hot mansex, I might add. Hugh Jackman is playing Ellery Cantrell, Ennis's new partner. He's hot, isn't he?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on September 06, 2006, 10:08:49 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 07:18:35 pm
Darlin,

What have you been missing? I have been trying to tell you for months....a wonderful story, full of everything we have come to love and respect in Brokeback Mountain. Yes...Jack is not alive, but Jack is very much alive in Ennis's heart and honored in this story. And the other thing this story has is...A STORY. Lots of action, interesting characters, fabulous dialog...Jeff, I know you have had reasons for not reading this but maybe now is the time?

Hugs and more,

Leslie
xoxo

Yeah, well, you DIDN'T tell me Hugh Jackman was in it, Little Darlin'!  :laugh:

 :-* :-* :-*
Jeff

P.S. See ya in about two weeks. You better save me a dance Saturday night.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 10:25:20 pm
Jeff, darlin....

I am saving a dance for you in Boston. Trust your little cowboy hat on that. Maybe two or three...okay?

Because you asked, here is the total, deep inside scoop on how we snagged Hugh Jackman for Ellery. Someone described it as meta-fanfic. Whatever you call it, I think it is good... Enjoy..

L

Telephone conversation between Heath Ledger and Joe Albierti, his agent. (Disclaimer: I really don't know the name of Heath's agent.)

-----------------------------------

“Hullo?” said Heath, answering the phone on its third ring.

“Hey, Heath, it’s Joe,” came the booming voice of his agent. “How’s it hanging?”

Heath winced. Ever since Brokeback Mountain, certain expressions just didn’t seem funny anymore. “I’m fine, Joe,” said Heath. “How about you?”

“Fine, fine, fine. Now, listen Heath, I have a project I want to talk to you about. You want to chat now or get together in person?”

“Chat now is fine,” said Heath. “I’m not in the middle of anything.” Actually, he’d been thinking about going to the market to buy some vegetables and pasta for a primavera, but that could wait.

“All right,” said Joe. “So, you know how Brokeback made such a buzz, blew everyone’s socks off and people have been talking sequel for months now.”

“I know,” said Heath, “but how can there be a sequel? Jack is dead. No way to bring him back to life, now, is there? This isn’t the TV show Dallas.”

Joe laughed at that. “You’re absolutely right,” he said, “but there is the possibility of picking up the story where it ends…or maybe a few years later.”

“And…” said Heath, leaving the thought unfinished.

“Well,” said Joe, “we’ve had a bunch of interns working in the office, scouring the Internet for possible stories.”

“Scouring the Internet?” said Heath, not clearly following Joe’s train of thought.

“Yeah,” replied Joe. “There are lots of Brokeback fans out there, writing stories that pick up on the original. Some change the ending, some having Jack surviving.”

“Oh,” said Heath. “You mean fanfic. You guys are looking at fanfic for a possible sequel to Brokeback?”

“You know about fanfic?” said Joe.

“I’ve heard about it, yeah,” responded Heath.

“So, yes, we’re looking at fanfic as a possible source of a story. Now, most of what we have found won’t work, but we’ve come across this one story that would. And we’re thinking of optioning it for a movie.”

“So what’s the premise?” asked Heath.

“It picks up in 1984, two years after Jack’s death. Ennis has been basically alone, spending some time with Junior. Y’know, poor as shit, nothing much has changed. Then he does some reading, this and that, ends up in a gay bar in Laramie.”

“And…?” said Heath, urging Joe to continue.

“He meets a guy, eventually they get together, have a relationship. The guy’s name is Ellery.”

“Doesn’t sound like much of a story, Joe. Not enough to carry a whole movie.”

“Well, that’s the core of it for Ennis. There’s lots of other stuff going on. The guy, Ellery, is  a cop and gets involved in trying to find out what happened to Jack, if he was murdered. And he owns the gay bar, too, so there’s that whole angle of the story. As a matter of fact,” he said, pausing, “there’s way too much story for a movie. We’d have to cut some of it down. Right now the author is on her third book, it is turning into an epic.”

“Wow,” said Heath. “Sounds interesting.” He paused for a minute. “You said it takes place after the story, right? So I’d be old Ennis.”

“Yes, you’d be 41, 42. He has a birthday in the story, actually.”

“I didn’t like old Ennis,” said Heath. “I didn’t like all that latex shit they put on my face, and making my hair look like straw.”

Joe laughed. “Well, we could work it out to make you look younger, probably. Ennis falls really hard for this guy Ellery. He’d be really happy, that would take some of the age out of his face. Oh, and about the hair…your curls would be back. Ellery likes Ennis’s curls.”

Heath paused for a minute, letting it all sink in, then he asked, “Would Jake be back?”

“He might—for a small part. There are a few flashback scenes that might get included.”

“What about Ellery? Any thought of who’d play his character?”

“Yes, as a matter of fact,” said Joe, “there’s talk about Hugh Jackman. Know him?”

“I’ve met him a few times,” said Heath. “Seems like a nice guy. Never worked with him, though.” He paused. “How did Jackman’s name come up?”

Joe took a breath. “Actually, in addition to the story on the Internet, there’s this—I guess you’d call it a fan club—and they have been busy casting the production. Jackman seems like a good choice. He’s got the right look. Ellery’s tall, very thin, grey eyes, black hair…”

They were both silent for a minute, then Joe continued. “Now, one thing I have to tell you, Heath…there’s more sex in this story than there was in Brokeback. In other words, you need to get used to the idea of more than 90 seconds in a tent and one hot reunion kiss.”

Heath laughed softly. “And where did this come from?”

“Audience feedback. They wanted more and since this story has a happy ending, we can give them more.”

“Is there sex in the story? The one on the Internet, I mean?” said Heath.

“Ohhhh yes,” said Joe. “Lots. Rather explicit, as a matter of fact. We’d need to tone it down for the movie.”

“Rather explicit?” said Heath. “That sounds more like slash, not fanfic.”

“Oh,” said Joe. “You know the difference?”

Heath sounded exasperated. “I haven’t been living under a rock, you know. Yes, I know the difference. I also know what RPS is, too, and yes, I’ve read a few of the stories.”

Joe laughed. “Maybe we should let you do the scouring, forget the interns.” Heath chuckled along with this comment. “So, Heath, still interested?”

“Maybe. I’d like to read the story. Send me an email with the link and I’ll get started on it tonight.”

“Okay,” said Joe, “will do. But let me warn you, you might not want to start reading until you have about three days of your life to devote to this. It is rather addicting.”

Heath laughed. “Thanks for the warning. Send me the link. And send me the link to the fan club, too. Maybe I’ll drop in for a visit.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on September 06, 2006, 10:43:06 pm
Totally off-topic but I wanted to share with you all:   :o

Jack Twist as The Naughty Stable Boy (from Chapter 19 of madlori's excellent fanfic, Human Interest):

(http://static.flickr.com/90/236466431_f428082095_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/236466431/")

“Sickness, health, honor ‘n cherish, all that stuff. I ain’t gonna swear t’obey, though.”

“Wouldn’t ask y’to.”

“Well, not unless we’re doin’ that thing when I’m the naughty stable boy ‘n you’re the strict stock boss…”

“Shush, this is s’posed t’be serious!”

------

So, you think I should make one up for Ellery?   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on September 06, 2006, 10:52:49 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 05, 2006, 01:56:29 pm
Cheers Scudder, Green Ennis ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f099a082.jpg)
Lucise, this is great! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on September 06, 2006, 10:55:18 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 06, 2006, 10:25:20 pm
Jeff, darlin....

I am saving a dance for you in Boston. Trust your little cowboy hat on that. Maybe two or three...okay?

Because you asked, here is the total, deep inside scoop on how we snagged Hugh Jackman for Ellery. Someone described it as meta-fanfic. Whatever you call it, I think it is good... Enjoy..

L

Telephone conversation between Heath Ledger and Joe Albierti, his agent. (Disclaimer: I really don't know the name of Heath's agent.)

-----------------------------------

“Hullo?” said Heath, answering the phone on its third ring.

“Hey, Heath, it’s Joe,” came the booming voice of his agent. “How’s it hanging?”

Heath winced. Ever since Brokeback Mountain, certain expressions just didn’t seem funny anymore. “I’m fine, Joe,” said Heath. “How about you?”

“Fine, fine, fine. Now, listen Heath, I have a project I want to talk to you about. You want to chat now or get together in person?”

“Chat now is fine,” said Heath. “I’m not in the middle of anything.” Actually, he’d been thinking about going to the market to buy some vegetables and pasta for a primavera, but that could wait.

“All right,” said Joe. “So, you know how Brokeback made such a buzz, blew everyone’s socks off and people have been talking sequel for months now.”

“I know,” said Heath, “but how can there be a sequel? Jack is dead. No way to bring him back to life, now, is there? This isn’t the TV show Dallas.”

Joe laughed at that. “You’re absolutely right,” he said, “but there is the possibility of picking up the story where it ends…or maybe a few years later.”

“And…” said Heath, leaving the thought unfinished.

“Well,” said Joe, “we’ve had a bunch of interns working in the office, scouring the Internet for possible stories.”

“Scouring the Internet?” said Heath, not clearly following Joe’s train of thought.

“Yeah,” replied Joe. “There are lots of Brokeback fans out there, writing stories that pick up on the original. Some change the ending, some having Jack surviving.”

“Oh,” said Heath. “You mean fanfic. You guys are looking at fanfic for a possible sequel to Brokeback?”

“You know about fanfic?” said Joe.

“I’ve heard about it, yeah,” responded Heath.

“So, yes, we’re looking at fanfic as a possible source of a story. Now, most of what we have found won’t work, but we’ve come across this one story that would. And we’re thinking of optioning it for a movie.”

“So what’s the premise?” asked Heath.

“It picks up in 1984, two years after Jack’s death. Ennis has been basically alone, spending some time with Junior. Y’know, poor as shit, nothing much has changed. Then he does some reading, this and that, ends up in a gay bar in Laramie.”

“And…?” said Heath, urging Joe to continue.

“He meets a guy, eventually they get together, have a relationship. The guy’s name is Ellery.”

“Doesn’t sound like much of a story, Joe. Not enough to carry a whole movie.”

“Well, that’s the core of it for Ennis. There’s lots of other stuff going on. The guy, Ellery, is  a cop and gets involved in trying to find out what happened to Jack, if he was murdered. And he owns the gay bar, too, so there’s that whole angle of the story. As a matter of fact,” he said, pausing, “there’s way too much story for a movie. We’d have to cut some of it down. Right now the author is on her third book, it is turning into an epic.”

“Wow,” said Heath. “Sounds interesting.” He paused for a minute. “You said it takes place after the story, right? So I’d be old Ennis.”

“Yes, you’d be 41, 42. He has a birthday in the story, actually.”

“I didn’t like old Ennis,” said Heath. “I didn’t like all that latex shit they put on my face, and making my hair look like straw.”

Joe laughed. “Well, we could work it out to make you look younger, probably. Ennis falls really hard for this guy Ellery. He’d be really happy, that would take some of the age out of his face. Oh, and about the hair…your curls would be back. Ellery likes Ennis’s curls.”

Heath paused for a minute, letting it all sink in, then he asked, “Would Jake be back?”

“He might—for a small part. There are a few flashback scenes that might get included.”

“What about Ellery? Any thought of who’d play his character?”

“Yes, as a matter of fact,” said Joe, “there’s talk about Hugh Jackman. Know him?”

“I’ve met him a few times,” said Heath. “Seems like a nice guy. Never worked with him, though.” He paused. “How did Jackman’s name come up?”

Joe took a breath. “Actually, in addition to the story on the Internet, there’s this—I guess you’d call it a fan club—and they have been busy casting the production. Jackman seems like a good choice. He’s got the right look. Ellery’s tall, very thin, grey eyes, black hair…”

They were both silent for a minute, then Joe continued. “Now, one thing I have to tell you, Heath…there’s more sex in this story than there was in Brokeback. In other words, you need to get used to the idea of more than 90 seconds in a tent and one hot reunion kiss.”

Heath laughed softly. “And where did this come from?”

“Audience feedback. They wanted more and since this story has a happy ending, we can give them more.”

“Is there sex in the story? The one on the Internet, I mean?” said Heath.

“Ohhhh yes,” said Joe. “Lots. Rather explicit, as a matter of fact. We’d need to tone it down for the movie.”

“Rather explicit?” said Heath. “That sounds more like slash, not fanfic.”

“Oh,” said Joe. “You know the difference?”

Heath sounded exasperated. “I haven’t been living under a rock, you know. Yes, I know the difference. I also know what RPS is, too, and yes, I’ve read a few of the stories.”

Joe laughed. “Maybe we should let you do the scouring, forget the interns.” Heath chuckled along with this comment. “So, Heath, still interested?”

“Maybe. I’d like to read the story. Send me an email with the link and I’ll get started on it tonight.”

“Okay,” said Joe, “will do. But let me warn you, you might not want to start reading until you have about three days of your life to devote to this. It is rather addicting.”

Heath laughed. “Thanks for the warning. Send me the link. And send me the link to the fan club, too. Maybe I’ll drop in for a visit.”


Oh, Lord. ...

You mean Jack isn't gonna come out of the shower one morning?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 12:29:59 am
Hello all...just letting you know that I posted my big giant fangirl gush/review/comments/thoughts on the Laramie Saga.

http://community.livejournal.com/wranglers/1150876.html

Louise, this is my best effort to exercise the Lori Effect, ha ha.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 12:38:03 am
Lori -
Although I dint read through it all yet ..  that is quite a review!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 07, 2006, 12:48:45 am
Quote from: Quiplash on September 06, 2006, 10:43:06 pm
Totally off-topic but I wanted to share with you all:   :o

Jack Twist as The Naughty Stable Boy (from Chapter 19 of madlori's excellent fanfic, Human Interest):

(http://static.flickr.com/90/236466431_f428082095_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/236466431/")


Quiplash, this is great. :o  Off topic or not, I just love the direction you're going! ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 07, 2006, 12:55:40 am
Quote from: Quiplash on September 06, 2006, 10:43:06 pm
Totally off-topic but I wanted to share with you all:   :o

Jack Twist as The Naughty Stable Boy (from Chapter 19 of madlori's excellent fanfic, Human Interest):

(http://static.flickr.com/90/236466431_f428082095_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/236466431/")

“Sickness, health, honor ‘n cherish, all that stuff. I ain’t gonna swear t’obey, though.”

“Wouldn’t ask y’to.”

“Well, not unless we’re doin’ that thing when I’m the naughty stable boy ‘n you’re the strict stock boss…”

“Shush, this is s’posed t’be serious!”

------

So, you think I should make one up for Ellery?   ;)


Should you make one up for Ellery? YES PLEASE!

ok, off to check out the new chapter...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 07, 2006, 12:56:21 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 12:29:59 am
Louise, this is my best effort to exercise the Lori Effect, ha ha.
Lori,
That is a wonderful review.  I'm so tired of people putting down the Larmaie Saga just because they don't think Ennis should ever be with anyone besides Jack.  I hope that people who read a "big giant fangirl gush" from an author as respected as you will realize they are missing something great, and will give the Laramie Saga a try.     
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 07, 2006, 02:04:53 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 12:29:59 am
Hello all...just letting you know that I posted my big giant fangirl gush/review/comments/thoughts on the Laramie Saga.

http://community.livejournal.com/wranglers/1150876.html

Louise, this is my best effort to exercise the Lori Effect, ha ha.

Hi, Lori

What a great review.  Knowing that you're so respected in the world of fanfics, I sure hope this review will help to alleviate some people's antagonism to this story, god knows how much flames Louise, Ennis and Ellery have copped the past few months.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 02:23:45 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 12:29:59 am
Hello all...just letting you know that I posted my big giant fangirl gush/review/comments/thoughts on the Laramie Saga.

http://community.livejournal.com/wranglers/1150876.html

Louise, this is my best effort to exercise the Lori Effect, ha ha.
Thank you Lori!

This was absolutely wonderful and I can't wait to see what kind of reactions you'll get.

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 04:03:43 am
Quote from: laurel on September 07, 2006, 12:48:45 am
Quiplash, this is great. :o  Off topic or not, I just love the direction you're going! ;)
Hehehe, me too!  ;D

I could just sit and stare at this ALL DAY!!  ;D

Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 07, 2006, 04:20:46 am
Please pardon my ignorance, can someone explain to me what's the relevance of Dom!Ennis and Sub!Ellery against Annie Proulx's story because I've seen this issue being raised many times in these months as one of the reasons this story is a departure from Annie Proulx's story.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 07, 2006, 04:47:11 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 12:29:59 am
Hello all...just letting you know that I posted my big giant fangirl gush/review/comments/thoughts on the Laramie Saga.

http://community.livejournal.com/wranglers/1150876.html

Louise, this is my best effort to exercise the Lori Effect, ha ha.

Wow Lori, I,ve just read your review, and all I can say is WOW!!! What a brilliant revieiw! Did you notice the angry post at the bottom? >:( >:(  Yes maybe Jack was Ennis,s soul mate, maybe one day Ellery will be too, who knows? For Gods sake, if these people dont like Louises story or any other fanfic they read, then why dont they go away and write their own and see if they can do any better, which I strongly doubt. grrrr. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 05:05:28 am
Their relationship is, for the most part, based upon Ennis being the top and Ellery being the bottom, with mild dominance and submission elements to it.  I say "mild" because a true Dom/sub relationship doesn't general permit for switching, and Ennis has gradually become more and more interested in bottoming and oral sex.  However, I don't personally see this as a departure from Annie Proulx's story since Ennis topped rather aggressively in her story on their first sexual encounter, and I merely extrapolated from that, and from Ennis's other aggressive tendencies.

However, they do not carry this mild dom/sub aspet into other parts of their relationship.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 06:30:46 am
Quote from: souxi on September 07, 2006, 04:47:11 am
Wow Lori, I,ve just read your review, and all I can say is WOW!!! What a brilliant revieiw! Did you notice the angry post at the bottom? >:( >:(  Yes maybe Jack was Ennis,s soul mate, maybe one day Ellery will be too, who knows? For Gods sake, if these people dont like Louises story or any other fanfic they read, then why dont they go away and write their own and see if they can do any better, which I strongly doubt. grrrr. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Yeah souxi, you can also tell these people over and over to stop reading if they don't like it. It's always the same old same old  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 07, 2006, 06:34:55 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 12:29:59 am
Hello all...just letting you know that I posted my big giant fangirl gush/review/comments/thoughts on the Laramie Saga.

http://community.livejournal.com/wranglers/1150876.html

Louise, this is my best effort to exercise the Lori Effect, ha ha.

thanks madlori for an absolutely terrific review!!  :)  :-*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 07, 2006, 07:44:39 am
Quote from: louisev on September 07, 2006, 05:05:28 am
Their relationship is, for the most part, based upon Ennis being the top and Ellery being the bottom, with mild dominance and submission elements to it.  I say "mild" because a true Dom/sub relationship doesn't general permit for switching, and Ennis has gradually become more and more interested in bottoming and oral sex.  However, I don't personally see this as a departure from Annie Proulx's story since Ennis topped rather aggressively in her story on their first sexual encounter, and I merely extrapolated from that, and from Ennis's other aggressive tendencies.

However, they do not carry this mild dom/sub aspet into other parts of their relationship.

That's what I thought, too.  But the way some people make such a big deal about this I thought I must have missed something which, due to cultural differences, is unbeknown to me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 08:49:29 am
well some people think portrying homosexuality is controversial too!  I guess there is a very conservative element within the fandom that thinks somehow that soft play in the bedroom is something wildly kinky and cannot be done.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on September 07, 2006, 09:15:03 am
Quote from: louisev on September 07, 2006, 05:05:28 am
Their relationship is, for the most part, based upon Ennis being the top and Ellery being the bottom, with mild dominance and submission elements to it.  I say "mild" because a true Dom/sub relationship doesn't general permit for switching, and Ennis has gradually become more and more interested in bottoming and oral sex.  However, I don't personally see this as a departure from Annie Proulx's story since Ennis topped rather aggressively in her story on their first sexual encounter, and I merely extrapolated from that, and from Ennis's other aggressive tendencies.

However, they do not carry this mild dom/sub aspet into other parts of their relationship.

Lousie,

Hallelujah and thank you for that explanation of top/bottom and dom/sub! Elsewhere I've tried to explain that till my fingers were sore from typing, and some people just don't get it. I hope coming from you, they will.

Jeff
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 09:20:58 am
It has been rather widely discussed that my fic went into the far reaches of kinkiness.  However, in the "kinks lists" I have seen in my travels, the Laramie Saga shows quite a mild form of dom/sub roleplaying (completely for fun and pleasure), and toy play (completely optional to their 'normal' sex lives.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on September 07, 2006, 09:40:55 am
Quote from: souxi on September 07, 2006, 09:28:42 am
Now here is a very good example of kinky. ;)

Kinky? Hell, in my crowd that's practically vanilla.  ;D

Good writing of what it is, though.

J.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 09:54:21 am
Jeff, that is exactly my point:  for gay men who are out... it IS practically vanilla.  For people still trembling on the verge or still in the closet, it is wild, titillating, and mega-kinky.  I opted for mild, consent-based bondage and play, because to me this is about as far as Ennis would go with his natural dominance.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 10:07:58 am
Quote from: louisev on September 07, 2006, 09:54:21 am
Jeff, that is exactly my point:  for gay men who are out... it IS practically vanilla.  For people still trembling on the verge or still in the closet, it is wild, titillating, and mega-kinky.  I opted for mild, consent-based bondage and play, because to me this is about as far as Ennis would go with his natural dominance.
Well, it's very HOT to me but certainly not mega-kinky!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 10:10:04 am
Well, the response to my big revie2w seems to have been mostly positive.  A few (anon, of course) naysayers, but I expected that.

I just don't understand most of their mindset.  Then again, I don't understand homophobia, either.  Nor do I understand most conservative viewpoints.  I don't have to respect their opinions...just their right to have them.

And if anyone thinks that a few slipknots and a ping-pong paddle are super-kinky, they're ridiculously sheltered.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 07, 2006, 10:16:09 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 10:10:04 am

And if anyone thinks that a few slipknots and a ping-pong paddle are super-kinky, they're ridiculously sheltered.

Thank you for saying that. And may I add, this is not an exclusive domain of gay men?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 10:19:49 am
I agree, Lori.  I was very cautious about what "kinks" I thought Ennis could or would do with an experienced partner urging him on, and I have had a LOT of requests for "more" and there is, to me, a line one must drawn with respect to Ennis's adventurousness.  And yet, the thing that has captured the most attention, I would have thought, would be the hunt for Jack's killer and his motives for killing him... but in fact, what has gotten the most controversial attention is the "kinkiness factor," and accusations that I portrayed Ennis's new relationship as a kink-laden pornfest.  In actuality, I extrapolated with some care a potential I saw in the rough-and-tumble wrestling from Annie Proulx's original story.  If the boys got a little too forceful with one another, Ennis could easily have tied Jack with his lariat and, already aroused, mounted him with his arms tied.  And that is what I depicted as the seed for Ellery to open the door for Ennis to expressing some of his natural dominance in the bedroom.

You very graciously pointed out in your review how so much of what I extrapolated had its roots in the original story, and I am glad you did that, because to me, authenticity is extremely important.  Of all of the fan fictions I have myself read, I am one of the few who actually adopted most of Annie's dialect usage in its original form.  (I added a few so it would sound a little more dialectical, like 'yer' and 'ya', where Annie always uses the normal 'your' and 'you'), but all the others are as Annie wrote them, no single quotations.  Because I was striving for authenticity.  And of all the criticism I have seen of the Laramie Saga, the accusation of a lack of authenticity is what hurts most - because I did try, and hard.  I have never seen any of the popular AU fics criticized for a lack of authentic dialect, and that is one of the chief reasons I can't read so many of them: because they are larded with some dialect I don't recognize and which to me is unreadable - including the narrative!  That isn't how Annie Proulx wrote... at all.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 07, 2006, 10:21:23 am
You know, a lot of people engage in dom/sub sexual relationship and they don't even notice it. This is especially true in heterosexual relationships. One needs not to spank, hit or tie down one's partner to behave like a dom. Ordering your partner around, deciding when the sexual act is taking place and when is not, disregarding your partner's whishes or sexual needs while demanding yours to be taken care of, is to behave like a dom as well. Ennis and Ellery don't do that, that's why I think their spanking in bed it's just a game they play. Those are my 2 cents anyway.  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 10:25:33 am
I just wished to add that I have already received LJ comments from a new reader who is barrelling through "Taking Chances" with breathtaking speed, leaving comments, and is very very pleased with your recommendation, Lori!

It's the "Lori Effect" in action!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 10:37:38 am
Quote from: louisev on September 07, 2006, 10:25:33 am
I just wished to add that I have already received LJ comments from a new reader who is barrelling through "Taking Chances" with breathtaking speed, leaving comments, and is very very pleased with your recommendation, Lori!

It's the "Lori Effect" in action!
Good to hear Louise! The last time I checked there were about 2 or 3 who have decided to start reading because of Lori's glowing review!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 10:42:31 am
I might point out as well that I posted the same review on my personal journal, where I've had several friends and readers of my other work say they're interested in starting it, too.

Also, baileymoyes just posted a very sane, personal opinion which was not presented as FACT or "the truth."  I thanked him (her?) for demonstrating how an opinion ought to be offered.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on September 07, 2006, 10:46:21 am
Quote from: louisev on September 07, 2006, 09:54:21 am
Jeff, that is exactly my point:  for gay men who are out... it IS practically vanilla.  For people still trembling on the verge or still in the closet, it is wild, titillating, and mega-kinky.  I opted for mild, consent-based bondage and play, because to me this is about as far as Ennis would go with his natural dominance.

Of course, for many gay men who are out, perhaps the majority, that would still be "wild, titillating, and mega-kinky," and I'd emphasize the "titillating," as they'd get excited reading about such activities but would never actually do them. The true "kink community" is most definitely in the minority of gay men.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 07, 2006, 10:47:53 am
Quote from: louisev on September 07, 2006, 10:25:33 am
I just wished to add that I have already received LJ comments from a new reader who is barrelling through "Taking Chances" with breathtaking speed, leaving comments, and is very very pleased with your recommendation, Lori!

It's the "Lori Effect" in action!

The Lori effect is in action again, Christie Wood (do you remember her?) just posted on another forum that because of MadLori's journal, she decides to start reading your story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 10:50:48 am
whoa, excellent...!  the Lori Effect snowballs!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 11:18:05 am
So, I never go over there but I'm curious...am I being burned in effigy over on the DC forums yet?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on September 07, 2006, 11:27:54 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 11:18:05 am
So, I never go over there but I'm curious...am I being burned in effigy over on the DC forums yet?
Not that I can see :-)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 11:49:52 am
Whoa .. you lot have been very busy this morning! 


Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 11:18:05 am
So, I never go over there but I'm curious...am I being burned in effigy over on the DC forums yet?

Are there any positive things happening over at the DC forums? ..lol, all I ever hear are crazy stories.  I could find out for myself, but I rather not ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 12:43:38 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 07, 2006, 11:49:52 am
Whoa .. you lot have been very busy this morning! 


Are there any positive things happening over at the DC forums? ..lol, all I ever hear are crazy stories.  I could find out for myself, but I rather not ..
I go over there occasionally because I still have some friends over there back from the good old days....I'm up to your post count on the DC forums  ;D  so go figure how much involved I used to be over there!! It's a real shame, it was SO much fun over there when I first joined the forum back in February  >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 07, 2006, 12:44:59 pm
Well, we have fun here, don't we June? I know I do...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 12:52:14 pm
I need to see this smile just now ... :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/LH/f03aa70f.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/LH/05e9146d.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 12:54:05 pm
And when I get home tonight, I am giving him some grey eyes .. ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/LH/a46f9b6c.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 12:57:22 pm
Lest Heath..Ennis feels left out .. :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/50709972.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/ebf93068.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 01:24:22 pm
Well, I must say, after a flurry of initial anon-flames, the discussino on wranglers has been quite civil.

Yay for sanity!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 01:31:45 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 07, 2006, 12:44:59 pm
Well, we have fun here, don't we June? I know I do...

Leslie
Oh I do too Leslie, absolutely!  :)

I wouldn't keep coming back if I didnt have a good time over here!!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 01:36:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 07, 2006, 12:54:05 pm
And when I get home tonight, I am giving him some grey eyes .. ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/LH/a46f9b6c.jpg)
Oh God Lucise! I'm totally in love with this one, what a gorgeous face....  :)

And that second pic of Heath....*sigh*....lovely...

Is there any way I can make that pic of HJ smaller and put it in my siggy line?? (I'm copying souxi!!!  ;D  :P  ;D)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 01:38:33 pm
But frankly, I dont understand how anyone could imagine that all one needed to do to make Laramie a non-Brokeback story was changing Ennis's name!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 02:24:55 pm
I just went over to Lori's review page...
and whoa..all the comments, just from last night!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 02:39:21 pm
I just added my 3 cents to the pile of comments!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 02:43:38 pm
Bailey just posted a new message to Wranglers and I'm totally confused by it.

http://community.livejournal.com/wranglers/1151525.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 07, 2006, 02:50:32 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 02:43:38 pm
Bailey just posted a new message to Wranglers and I'm totally confused by it.

http://community.livejournal.com/wranglers/1151525.html

Join the club. Range war? I have no idea why she felt the need to post this.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 02:51:51 pm
I can't really tell if she's taking me to task for posting my review, or if she's upset by the discussion (which, as I commented, HARDLY qualifies as a "war"), or if she's making an oblique criticism of my motivations...I just don't know what she's trying to say.

ETA:  Okay, after further replies from Connie, it seems as if she thinks I was trying to stir things up or something.  She "hopes that Louise isn't hurt" that I've thoughtlessly exposed her to more rude comments by posting on wranglers.  To which I replied that first of all, THIS DISCUSSION IS NOT A FLAME WAR or anything close, and that I spoke to Louise about posting my review before I did so.

Man.  If she thinks that the comments being posted to my review are nasty and objectionable, she's just as sheltered as people who think Ennis and Ellery are hopelessly kinky.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 03:00:55 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 02:43:38 pm
Bailey just posted a new message to Wranglers and I'm totally confused by it.

http://community.livejournal.com/wranglers/1151525.html

I just read that piece ..
I dont know who the poster is, but maybe there is a little bit of green coming through there.. ;D

What do I know.. The only kind of drama I like is in books and films .. so I don't really want to spend time trying to figure out some of this stuff..  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 03:10:41 pm
My ego is hopelessly inflated and you can see me floating over the horizon more clearly visible than a full moon.  I don't think I have ever had so much attention paid to my writing in my WHOLE FREAKING LIFE.

thank you, fans, thank you, thank you...

*and yes I am typing the next chapter... SLOWLY*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 03:19:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 07, 2006, 03:10:41 pm
My ego is hopelessly inflated and you can see me floating over the horizon more clearly visible than a full moon. 


Errr..has anyone got a sharper dart to lend me .. hehe .. :P

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/7fb9839e.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 07, 2006, 03:25:37 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 07, 2006, 03:10:41 pm
My ego is hopelessly inflated and you can see me floating over the horizon more clearly visible than a full moon.  I don't think I have ever had so much attention paid to my writing in my WHOLE FREAKING LIFE.

thank you, fans, thank you, thank you...

*and yes I am typing the next chapter... SLOWLY*

You watch out now, you hear? On a good day we know that your ego is as big as the state of Texas. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 03:30:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 07, 2006, 03:10:41 pm
My ego is hopelessly inflated and you can see me floating over the horizon more clearly visible than a full moon.  I don't think I have ever had so much attention paid to my writing in my WHOLE FREAKING LIFE.

thank you, fans, thank you, thank you...

*and yes I am typing the next chapter... SLOWLY*
I thought I saw something unusual floating around up there while I was walking home just now!! LOL!   :D  :D

And you're welcome Louise!  :-*

Hmmm, think I'll go and take a look at those new comments on Madlori's journal now.... ::)  >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 03:53:03 pm
well due to my floating above the earth in an inflated sense of self importance, my productivity was a bit stunted tonight, but at last...

a new chapter

http://louisev.livejournal.com/108852.html  "Chapter 23:  A Night Together"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 04:06:37 pm
Quote
well due to my floating above the earth in an inflated sense of self importance, my productivity was a bit stunted tonight

Okay, that does it.  No more talking about Louise.  EVAR!  We're stunting her productivity, guys!  Zip those lips!

heee
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 07, 2006, 04:10:32 pm
*laughs evilly*... Too late.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 07, 2006, 06:12:52 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 07, 2006, 04:06:37 pm
Okay, that does it.  No more talking about Louise.  EVAR!  We're stunting her productivity, guys!  Zip those lips!

heee
:D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 07, 2006, 06:17:02 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 07, 2006, 12:57:22 pm
Lest Heath..Ennis feels left out .. :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/50709972.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/ebf93068.jpg)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
           Those heath pictures are so very Ennis and Ellery ennis...great job ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 07, 2006, 07:11:47 pm
I have just waded through the comments on Lori's journal and Bailey's message, looks like the whole gang of slash from the other forum is out to get Louise again.  But I guess those negative comments are nothing new to Louise, I didn't read the slash thread too often but every time I went there the attacks on Louise are appalling and unbelievable.  I think to a certain extent anyone who lent her support became the subject of abuse, too - look at how Leslie's story being ridiculed there. 

I'm saddened and disheartened by some people's narrow-mindedness.  There are so many criticisms condemning Ennis for not having the courage to step out, now there's a story addressing to that issue but what's their reaction?  Merciless attacks by those same people.  Well, I guess to them Ennis could only open up to Jack but noone else; it's actually not BBM they are attached to.  Those people are a closely knitted gang and there's no way anyone can reason with them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 07, 2006, 07:33:55 pm
Quote from: yb on September 07, 2006, 07:11:47 pm
I have just waded through the comments on Lori's journal and Bailey's message, looks like the whole gang of slash from the other forum is out to get Louise again.  But I guess those negative comments are nothing new to Louise, I didn't read the slash thread too often but every time I went there the attacks on Louise are appalling and unbelievable.  I think to a certain extent anyone who lent her support became the subject of abuse, too - look at how Leslie's story being ridiculed there. 

I'm saddened and disheartened by some people's narrow-mindedness.  There are so many criticisms condemning Ennis for not having the courage to step out, now there's a story addressing to that issue but what's their reaction?  Merciless attacks by those same people.  Well, I guess to them Ennis could only open up to Jack but noone else; it's actually not BBM they are attached to.  Those people are a closely knitted gang and there's no way anyone can reason with them.

Hi yb,

I think the whole issue is not really about Ennis, it's about jealousy. Most of Louise's attackers are fanfic writers also, and for some reason haven't had the success she has. Interesting enough, they're also attacking Leslie (Maine Writer) and her stories, that are AU, with Ennis and Jack together, only because she is a friend of Louise. It's too bad this people can't just let it be and use all the energy they spend writing their stupid and sensless posts, in doing something more productive like reading and writing a story they like.

Welcome to Bettermost BTW  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 07, 2006, 08:33:55 pm
Natali - I think there is definitely some green coming through in some posts ..lol and I dont mean green as in green pastures.. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 07, 2006, 10:20:50 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 07, 2006, 12:54:05 pm
And when I get home tonight, I am giving him some grey eyes .. ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/LH/a46f9b6c.jpg)

Ok, I wasn't a huge fan of Hugh Jackman for Ellery until I saw this picture  :o

That is EXACTLY the way I picture Ellery... he is too beautiful for words, Lucise, can't wait to see him with grey eyes !   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 07, 2006, 10:45:17 pm
I have been reading over there since the thread started, but don't post either because of the envirnment there.    I think it is great that forums do break off to follow stories and authors that they like and enjoy--why not.  Only makes sense to me.
I find it kind of funny---I don't post comments to Bailey's stories, because the Ennis in most of those stories is as far removed from the Ennis I know from Annie's BBM story, as Bailey claims Louise's Ennis is removed, and I always hear Thumper's Mother (and mine) in the back of my head--If you can't say something nice, don't say NOTHING at all.   So I don't, cause saying I can't identify with that Ennis would serve no purpose, since it is a matter of personal perspection, Bailey has their own as I have mine.
When I like something, I say so like in Human Interest, Two Crows Joy and Laramie as well as many others, and sometimes when something doesn't work for me, I say so too, and why it won't work for me, like in Mainewriter's getting Ennis pierced---I told her why it didn't, and don't comment on it anymore, cause it is her story, I am strictly a spectator and have learned to go with the flow.
And when there is something new that I do like, I comment again.
I have had an author or two tell me, when I said something didn't work for me, but that I liked the premise of the story anyway,  that I should maybe look for other fics to read.   So I kept reading, but quit commenting.   Best thing to do is simply ignore the whole mess---those who love it will still love it even if every aspect isn't the way they want it---and those who don't, aren't ever going to-so it is simply wasted effort to try to justify or placate them-not worth the effort. Just my own opinion, I read a lot of it, but I don't write down my fanfic, I just do a day dream inside my head.
It doesn't just happen with BBM stories either---you find it every where---on every subject.
I have been reading four or five different types of fanfics, and there are pros and cons about every one of them at some point in time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 08, 2006, 12:52:15 am
Quote from: littleguitar on September 07, 2006, 10:20:50 pm
Ok, I wasn't a huge fan of Hugh Jackman for Ellery until I saw this picture  :o

That is EXACTLY the way I picture Ellery... he is too beautiful for words, Lucise, can't wait to see him with grey eyes !   ;D

Well Mandy, Ellery got him some grey eyes now .. ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/915115ae.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 08, 2006, 12:54:05 am
Speaking of grey eyes, I must bring this pic here (again..) ..  :P, can't help myself ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/12e6c898.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 08, 2006, 01:11:03 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 08, 2006, 12:52:15 am
Well Mandy, Ellery got him some grey eyes now .. ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/915115ae.jpg)

Thank you!!

LOL, I can't believe I'm about to say this but Ellery is about to replace Jake G as my laptop's background... man, Louise your fic has taken over my life! I never thought I'd see the day that Hugh Jackman would win out over Jake Gyllenhaal in any part of my life... but for Ellery, I'll do it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 08, 2006, 01:26:42 am
That big picture of Heath is really rivetting.  :o :o As much as that beautiful pic of grey eyes.

Aren't they such a counterpoint to each other!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 08, 2006, 02:09:30 am
I posted the following on Madlori's LJ site as a comment following her review and the accompanying discussion:

Through this whole discussion I am reminded of an important point about Greek tragedy. One of its defining features is that the flawed hero should emerge from the ashes having achieved at least a psychological triumph over his adversity.

Instead of obsessing over the original doomed relationship in fics where Jack is miraculously spared from death or where a broken Ennis slowing fades away into the sunset, let us be faithful to the Greeks! The Laramie Saga is faithful to that vision by snatching that psychological triumph from the jaws of a meaningless and tragic death. But to reach that goal you first have to accept that Jack is dead and to let go of Jack. If you can't do that and face the pain of that (which reading the Laramie Sage involves) you are left forever wailing beside a grave along with Ennis or escaping the whole grim deal by zipping off into fantasy in which Jack is still alive (which rather defeats the whole point of AP's story). The alternative, like in RL, is to accept the death and slowly work through the pain into the light again.

What makes Move On!Ennis BBM fan fiction special derives from what makes the original story and film special. Brokeback Mountain is unique in modern cinema in the power of its tragic vision to deeply affect us. The film made us look into the dark abyss of loss and the woundedness which follows on from that loss.

Move On!Ennis fan fics like Laramie allow us to look into that abyss and still find hope. This is truly an example of no pain no gain. Ennis is a classic exemplar of a type of Everyman: beset by fears and limitations and life’s harsh blows. What Ennis does after Jack dies is a model in a way of what is possible or not possible for all of us. If we are so fixated on the spectre of loss and the tragic Great Romance that we cannot get past it, then we cannot use this story to its fullest potential as a tool for psychological exploration instead of a vehicle for endless angst. It may sound romantic to be “haunted forever” but what good does that do anyone?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 08, 2006, 02:16:10 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 07, 2006, 07:33:55 pm
Hi yb,

I think the whole issue is not really about Ennis, it's about jealousy. Most of Louise's attackers are fanfic writers also, and for some reason haven't had the success she has. Interesting enough, they're also attacking Leslie (Maine Writer) and her stories, that are AU, with Ennis and Jack together, only because she is a friend of Louise. It's too bad this people can't just let it be and use all the energy they spend writing their stupid and sensless posts, in doing something more productive like reading and writing a story they like.

Welcome to Bettermost BTW  :D

Thanks for the welcome.

I agree that jealousy may be one of the reasons, but I happen to think there’s another more important reason behind all these hostilities.  They are fans of Jack Twist who are so emotionally attached to him that they could not accept the possibility that Ennis might have a fulfilling life while Jack is dead.  This is sad and especially laughable when I read some comments claiming they have not read the story, yet this does not stop them from criticizing it. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 04:40:02 am
Silver lining, people. Silver lining.

As of this morning European time, Lori's review got 150 replies, only a handful of them from me! (tee hee.)

While there was some controversy stirred up... I don't know how people have the temerity to quote me out of context when I'm participating in the discussion... but that's gossip for you! -- I have to add that there were a lot of comments from people whose names I have never seen before, and a full fledged positive review from a reader I didn't know was reading, as well as a number of comments by Wranglers members who said they are going to read the story because they just have to know what the fuss is about!

I guess in this kind of situation, any kind of fuss makes the fic more desirable to read, and suddenly, at the middle of book V, I am seeing a rush of new readers!  HOLY MOLY!  And yes, I only posted one chapter last night, partly because I was feeling my way along with what is to happen next, and partly because I was so captivated by the unfolding frantic discussion of my story that I was compulsively reading Wranglers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 06:31:49 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 08, 2006, 02:09:30 am
I posted the following on Madlori's LJ site as a comment following her review and the accompanying discusion:

Jo, as always, your essays are beautifully crafted and a wonder to behold, and I always blush a little when I see ones like your most recent post on Wranglers, concerning Ennis's free will choice to move on with his life.  Thank you for sharing these essays, for your elegant and educated commentary... I feel like SUCH a scholar having my story treated with such highbrow essays!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 08, 2006, 07:10:42 am

Aw shucks thanks Louise.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 07:16:07 am
Quote from: littleguitar on September 08, 2006, 01:11:03 am
Thank you!!

LOL, I can't believe I'm about to say this but Ellery is about to replace Jake G as my laptop's background... man, Louise your fic has taken over my life! I never thought I'd see the day that Hugh Jackman would win out over Jake Gyllenhaal in any part of my life... but for Ellery, I'll do it!

I do love that pic... it just makes me cry "Ellery - I want you!  Never mind that blond guy with the ripped abs!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 08, 2006, 09:11:27 am
Watch out Ellery! Here are Ennis’ two dream girls! Each one is packing a pistol.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/peel.jpg)

Emma Peel


(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/kjackson493.jpg)

Kate Jackson
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 09:12:38 am
The Lori Effect - In Action

Now you can't deny the Lori Effect:

from an entry in my Livejournal on "Taking Chances", chapter 34:

Well, when a writer as good as madlori recs another person's fic and raves about it as much as she did... how can I NOT take her advice? ;-)

And fortunately, I'm discovering she was absolutely correct in her compliments. I'm getting completely drawn in, and don't know how I'll cope with 4 days away from the computer after today ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 09:13:35 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 08, 2006, 09:11:27 am
Watch out Ellery! Here are Ennis’ two dream girls! Each one is packing a pistol.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/peel.jpg)

Emma Peel


Kate Jackson

Eeek!  Both holding guns!  I bet Ennis's gun is cocked looking at those pics!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 10:05:04 am
Quote
Now you can't deny the Lori Effect:

Ah, the Lori Effect.  I have powers I never knew I had.  What global problem shall I apply my Effect to next?  Ozone layer depletion?  Ethnic clensing?  Ill-fitting shoes?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 10:20:45 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 10:05:04 am
Ah, the Lori Effect.  I have powers I never knew I had.  What global problem shall I apply my Effect to next?  Ozone layer depletion?  Ethnic clensing?  Ill-fitting shoes?

I also liked the comment I saw posted somewhere that said, "MadLori, who rarely appears in public..."

Did you know you were a recluse, too? Sorta like JD Salinger. How's that for company? LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on September 08, 2006, 10:32:27 am
Quote from: louisev on September 08, 2006, 09:13:35 am
Eeek!  Both holding guns!  I bet Ennis's gun is cocked looking at those pics!

Where's Sabrina Duncan--er, Kate Jackson? She's not showing up on my monitor.  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 08, 2006, 10:37:46 am
Quote from: louisev on September 08, 2006, 09:12:38 am
The Lori Effect - In Action

Now you can't deny the Lori Effect:

from an entry in my Livejournal on "Taking Chances", chapter 34:

Well, when a writer as good as madlori recs another person's fic and raves about it as much as she did... how can I NOT take her advice? ;-)

And fortunately, I'm discovering she was absolutely correct in her compliments. I'm getting completely drawn in, and don't know how I'll cope with 4 days away from the computer after today ;)

yeah, that sounds familiar!
good for you Louise :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 10:48:36 am
Quote
I also liked the comment I saw posted somewhere that said, "MadLori, who rarely appears in public..."

Did you know you were a recluse, too? Sorta like JD Salinger. How's that for company? LOL

I rarely appear in public?  I thought I was a fairly regular poster at wranglers.  I guess because I don't frequent the forums, people aren't used to seeing me around.

I'm like that in the HP fandom, too.  Kind of a "pillar of the fic community" but known for keeping my distance and maintaining some reserve.  I've found that cultivating that kind of slightly-aloof persona helps with credibility.  If I stay out of the whole fandom kerfuffle, it gives me an air of objectivity.

Bailey posted a response to me this morning that had a bit of a whiff of suck-up to it.  Heh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 11:26:53 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/109229.html  "Chapter 24:  Another Time, Another Man"

warning: kleenex compulsory.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 08, 2006, 12:07:46 pm
Thanks for the warning, but it's a bit late as I have read the update before coming here.  Oh, it's so heart-wrenching, this trip is proved to be so difficult for Ellery. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 12:16:07 pm
I just can't imagine how hard it would be to be there with the only person you ever really loved and hear him say that when he dies he wants to be with the OTHER guy and not you.

There just isn't a good solution.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 08, 2006, 12:20:44 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 12:16:07 pm
I just can't imagine how hard it would be to be there with the only person you ever really loved and hear him say that when he dies he wants to be with the OTHER guy and not you.

There just isn't a good solution.
Oh I was crying when I read that. Just crying for all three of them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 08, 2006, 12:24:19 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 10:05:04 am
Ah, the Lori Effect.  I have powers I never knew I had.  What global problem shall I apply my Effect to next?  Ozone layer depletion?  Ethnic clensing?  Ill-fitting shoes?
:D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 08, 2006, 12:27:47 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 08, 2006, 12:52:15 am

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/915115ae.jpg)
Just needed to see this BEAUTIFUL pic on this page again

Can someone tell me how to make this smaller so I can have it as a banner/siggy line?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 08, 2006, 12:32:26 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 12:16:07 pm
I just can't imagine how hard it would be to be there with the only person you ever really loved and hear him say that when he dies he wants to be with the OTHER guy and not you.

There just isn't a good solution.

Shit, I just read that spoiler!   :-\

Lori, I noticed you updated TCJ too! Cool!

Louise, how inflated are you right now?  Still floating higher than the moon?  Should I bring out my dart again?  :P




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 12:33:07 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 12:16:07 pm
I just can't imagine how hard it would be to be there with the only person you ever really loved and hear him say that when he dies he wants to be with the OTHER guy and not you.

There just isn't a good solution.


SPOILER.............SPOILER...................SPOILER..................SPOILER












And Ellery imagining bringing up Ennis's ashes, because Ennis is going to go first.

Just shoot me now and put me out of my misery, willya Louise? I don't have enough kleenex in this office.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 08, 2006, 12:34:26 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 08, 2006, 12:27:47 pm
Just needed to see this BEAUTIFUL pic on this page again

Can someone tell me how to make this smaller so I can have it as a banner/siggy line?  :)

I'll pm ya.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 08, 2006, 12:36:18 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 08, 2006, 12:52:15 am

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/915115ae.jpg)

I may be in the minority here but I really like Hugh Jackman in short hair.  Lucise, can I make a request?  Please do a photo of Heath and Hugh.  Any picture of Heath will do, but please use this photo of Hugh.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 08, 2006, 12:39:17 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 12:33:07 pm

SPOILER.............SPOILER...................SPOILER..................SPOILER












And Ellery imagining bringing up Ennis's ashes, because Ennis is going to go first.

Just shoot me now and put me out of my misery, willya Louise? I don't have enough kleenex in this office.

Leslie

No!! ... I didn't really pay attention to this while I was reading the chapter.  Don't scare me, Leslie.  I think it may be because Ennis is older so Ellery naturally thinks that Ennis will go first.  Louise, please tell me I'm right.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 08, 2006, 12:57:14 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 08, 2006, 12:34:26 pm
I'll pm ya.   :)
Lucise you are such a darlin!  Thank you!  :)

I just read your pm and am trying to change my siggy line!  ::)  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 01:58:52 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/109320.html  "Chapter 25:  Tribute"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 08, 2006, 02:40:02 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 12:33:07 pm

SPOILER.............SPOILER...................SPOILER..................SPOILER












And Ellery imagining bringing up Ennis's ashes, because Ennis is going to go first.

Just shoot me now and put me out of my misery, willya Louise? I don't have enough kleenex in this office.

Leslie

Ditto Leslie, ditto.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 08, 2006, 03:13:36 pm

I'm new and I just registered.  This is my first post so hope I'm doing it right.  The whole forum layout is a little confusing to me here.
I just discovered the 'Laramie Sagas' last week and have been captivated by these wonderful stories.  I just finished Book 3: A Second Chance.  Wow, what a cliff hanger!  I just kept thinking 'please don't let them torture Ennis, please don't let them torture Ennis.'
I understand there are 2 more sequels, so I got a lot of reading to do yet to catch up to where y'all are at.
I am totally addicted, enthralled - okay, obsessed even - by Louise's writing.
One question:  How do I find the pictures I've heard about being posted here?  There are hundreds of pages of messages and I can't possible click through all of them one by one.  Is there a way to search by date or something?

A little bit about me.  I'm a disabled Veteran and live in FLorida.  I read a lot of fanfiction in several fandoms and I'm an admitted 'slash slut'.  I'm following several ongoing BBM WIP's, and my favorite fandoms other than BBM are NCIS, CSI, JAG, The Unit and The Sentinel.  I've been writing for 2 and a half years.  Current project is a 'dark fic' JAG novel, which at over 210,000 words, is finally nearing completion.  I don't have a web site, but my work is archived at The WWOMB (if anyone's curious.)
I really love discussing BBM; the movie, the fanfic stories and especially Ennis and Ellery!  I think I'm gonna enjoy hanging out here.  I don't remember how I stumbled across Louise's work, but sure glad I did.  I love this series!
Hugs,
NavyVet
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 03:14:15 pm
All right so with the latest chapter, MadLori posts on Louise's LJ that this chapter makes her think of Foreigner's song,

"..Foreigner started singing in my head. I wanna know what love is...I want you to shaowwwww me..."


Oy-vey, now I have that damn song in my head. An ohrwurm it's called iin German (thanks Louise). No word for it in English.

Facepalm is right, Lori! LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 03:16:09 pm
Quote
Oy-vey, now I have that damn song in my head. An ohrwurm it's called iin German (thanks Louise). No word for it in English.

There absolutely IS a word for it in English...it's called an "earworm," which sounds like the same word in German.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 03:20:49 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 08, 2006, 03:13:36 pm
I'm new and I just registered.  This is my first post so hope I'm doing it right.  The whole forum layout is a little confusing to me here.

Hugs,
NavyVet


Hey NavyVet,

Welcome. Yes, you are doing it right.

Join the club of the addicted and obssessed. We are a fun and happy group and glad to have you here.

For the galleries and pictures....yes, you can click through the 3000+ posts that we have here (all of which are very funny and entertaining, I might add) or you can head on over to the "Fanfiction & Poetry" forum. Lucise has kindly gathered our various galleries together in one place which makes them easier to peruse.

There are also links over there for other stories you might enjoy reading.

Glad to have you here with us at Bettermost!

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 03:24:09 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 03:16:09 pm
There absolutely IS a word for it in English...it's called an "earworm," which sounds like the same word in German.

I know that is how it translates into English, but I have never heard anyone use that term. I mean, have you ever heard anyone say, "Oh, God, I've got an earworm of that Foreigner song?" I haven't. I hear people say, "Oh, God, I have that song from Foreigner stuck in my head."

But then again, Lori, you're a flatlander...things are different outside of the northeast....maybe they do talk that way.... (Leslie ducks and runs from rotten tomatoes which she is sure are coming her way).   :laugh:

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 03:24:17 pm
Welcome Navyvet!

Here is the link you seek!

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.0

That is the gallery for Ennis and Ellery.

WARNING:  If you have an old computer with not too much memory, it can take time to load!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 03:26:09 pm
Note on Spoilers:

I know of a half dozen NEW (i.e. starting from "Taking Chances") readers who I have invited to join our forum discussion here.  For those of you who are all caught up and feeling smug and excited to chat about the new chapters here, please be mindful and put SPOILER! on plot discussions.  Some people get a little discombobulated (and others avoid the forum thread) when they have the plot spoiled.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 08, 2006, 03:33:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 08, 2006, 03:26:09 pm
  For those of you who are all caught up and feeling smug and excited
Hehehehe, this sounds so funny Louise! Smug?!?  ;D

But I know what you mean and I'll be a good girl! LOL!   8)  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 08, 2006, 03:34:47 pm
Hi there NavyVet!

Welcome!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on September 08, 2006, 04:02:11 pm
Welcome Aboard NavyVet and all the others too.

Isn't it time to update the location list?  Who was doing that.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 04:04:19 pm
Quote from: gn411 on September 08, 2006, 04:02:11 pm
Welcome Aboard NavyVet and all the others too.

Isn't it time to update the location list?  Who was doing that.



Neatfreak.

Let's see, we have NavyVet in Florida, MadLori in Ohio

yb, location?

Who else is new? I know I have welcomed several people in the past few days...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on September 08, 2006, 05:20:15 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 08, 2006, 03:13:36 pm
I really love discussing BBM; the movie, the fanfic stories and especially Ennis and Ellery!  I think I'm gonna enjoy hanging out here.  I don't remember how I stumbled across Louise's work, but sure glad I did.  I love this series!
Hugs,
NavyVet
Hello, NavyVet, and welcome to BetterMost!

You have come to the right place if you in thrall to Brokeback Mountain, the film and/or the story, or to any of the growing corpus of fanfic that these beautiful works of art have engendered. Lots of really smart, talented, and passionate people on board here, who all have the love for BBM and its immortal characters in common.

You say you are in Florida. I know one of our other members, ednbarby, resides in that state--I don't think she'd mind me stating that here, as she has shared that information herself elsewhere on our forums. You'll notice that we have folks from all over the world as members of our online family--we are truly a global, and growing, community.

The very first fanfic I read was written by our member Jeff Wrangler, and is called "Some Sweet Life"--a wonderful story, which introduced me to this strange and exciting new world of fan fiction. It has been some help in bringing some resolution to the powerful feelings the film evoked in me. My favorite fanfic to date is Tom Forster's 'Ennis' story--he is also registered here, and the link to his story is available on our fanfic board. I feel that if they were to ever make a sequel to the movie (which I still hope they never do), this would be a marvellous story to follow. Tom created a character in Billy who is, in my opinion, as memorable and lovable as our Ennis and Jack.

Happy reading, and I look forward to seeing your new posts...

Scott
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 08, 2006, 05:33:35 pm
Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on September 08, 2006, 10:32:27 am
Where's Sabrina Duncan--er, Kate Jackson? She's not showing up on my monitor.  :'(

Check my originl post Jeff.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 08, 2006, 05:40:59 pm
Thanx to all for all the lovely welcomes.
I'm having trouble navigating and replying to people.  Every time I click on ANYTHING (page, reply, etc), I get the log in screen and am forced to re-log-in over and over, and therefore my replies are lost.  Just can't seem to stay logged in.   Hmmm.... then again, LJ baffles me as well.  :-)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 08, 2006, 05:48:02 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 08, 2006, 05:40:59 pm
Thanx to all for all the lovely welcomes.
I'm having trouble navigating and replying to people.  Every time I click on ANYTHING (page, reply, etc), I get the log in screen and am forced to re-log-in over and over, and therefore my replies are lost.  Just can't seem to stay logged in.   Hmmm.... then again, LJ baffles me as well.  :-)


Hiya NV!
When you login .. choose the "forever" option to stay logged in.. much easier that way..

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 08, 2006, 06:00:18 pm
A Hugh Smile .. because I need to see one now..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/LH/10c42179.jpg)


A Heath Smile .. because, well, I don't need a reason..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/b2222948.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 08, 2006, 08:25:13 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 04:04:19 pm
Neatfreak.

Let's see, we have NavyVet in Florida, MadLori in Ohio

yb, location?

Who else is new? I know I have welcomed several people in the past few days...

Hmm, I think I'm the only one from Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 08, 2006, 08:30:51 pm
wow... you're in Hong Kong?  Oh wow.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 08, 2006, 08:38:33 pm
Yes, unimaginable, isn't it?  I'm afraid I'm the only one from HK who's active on various BBM and Heath boards.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 08, 2006, 08:39:11 pm
I posted this over at Bailey's website where discussion still rages on about the same old. Thought you guys might be interested in my ruminations.

Well BBM continues to be a learning experience for me in unexpected ways. As a irregular participant in the dc  slash discussion thread I have for the first time in my life experienced what it is like being a member of a dissident minority. For that is the role I found myself cast in as a reader and commenter on The Laramie Saga. It has been an amazing experience for me and has given me much insight and empathy for those arguing for a minority position in any field.

• The first thing you realize as a dissident minority member is that you are being ignored by most people. They just filter you out. You don’t exist. It’s not malicious. They are just not interested in what you might have to say.

• Those that do notice you, often only do so to swat you down like some annoying insect. Others regard you as a kind of killer virus that needs to be eradicated. The silent majority don't really care or are upset by all the noise and kerfuffle.

• When you realize that polite discussion is responded to in this way you get a bit frustrated and miffed. So you press your argument as strongly as you can hoping for a bit of give and take and at least respect for your right to hold a different point of view. This is received with muttered comments about your whining on and hopes that you will just bugger off. Why are you getting upset? We are all reasonable people here in the majority?

Some dissident minority spokespeople press on at this point because they have people relying on them to represent their case: gays and lesbians; the disabled; ethnic minorities etc.

Others who don't carry this responsibility, like myself, give the game away at this point and realize the wisdom of Henry Ford’s dictum: Don’t explain. Don’t complain.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 08, 2006, 09:47:04 pm
magicmountain

As always, a great post.  I don't log in to read the slash thread unless I was aware of a bashing going on.  It's always a disturbing experience reading those posts, what's most appalling is the fact that they take pride in ridiculing those who voiced their support of the LS.  Your post made me feel that the LS supporters are just like the minority in the society - homosexuals, lesbians, etc - and the majority of it is trying their might to drive them out of their ways, it's so ironic when the forum is said to be dedicated to BBM.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on September 08, 2006, 09:54:47 pm
Hi, guys! Locations manager here! Didn't get much of a response on the last two postings of the locations list, so I thought I'd space it out a bit more. But with so much more traffic, it's clearly time for an update:

Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Belbbmfan:  Leuven, Belgium (CET=EDT+6)
Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Laurel:  Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Madlori:  Columbus, Ohio (EDT)
Magicmountain:  Sydney, Australia (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Moremojo:  Austin, Texas (CDT?)
Navyvet:  Somewhere, Florida (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista: Madrid, Spain (CET?=EDT+6)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)
Yb:  Hongkong, China (Time zone?)

If you see a question mark, it's because I need more info. If you're not on this list, we'd love to see you here! It's great to see where in the world our group is coming from. Wanna get added? Post it on this thread or PM me; either way I'll see it and put you on the list. I'm reluctant to add newbies without permission, even though the info is available on their profiles. Be as specific as you wish, no pressure.

Come one, come all! (Yes, I know. But I'm leaving it in anyway.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on September 08, 2006, 10:06:40 pm
...Central time zone, that is ;D. So, neatfreak, you got my location and time zone right; just wanted to let you know. Any other data we can share? Like our sign, sex, orientation,...availability? ;D Anyone wanting/needing more info, please feel free to ask!

Scott
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 10:53:32 pm
Bringing in some lovely Heath photos...and one of Hugh, too.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/lorax523/l46_jpg.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/lorax523/060222_ledgerg-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/lorax523/G126213.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 08, 2006, 11:34:47 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 08, 2006, 03:13:36 pm
I'm new and I just registered.  This is my first post so hope I'm doing it right.  The whole forum layout is a little confusing to me here.
I just discovered the 'Laramie Sagas' last week and have been captivated by these wonderful stories.  I just finished Book 3: A Second Chance.  Wow, what a cliff hanger! 

Welcome, welcome, welcome!  Yes, I do indeed remember that distressful cliff hanger!!!

We all love 'reliving' the Laramie Saga (at least I know I do, and I know Leslie does, and so does Fred... so I hazard to guess so does most everyone else), so feel free to share any moments with us as needed!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 09, 2006, 04:41:03 am
Quote from: neatfreak on September 08, 2006, 09:54:47 pm
Hi, guys! Locations manager here! Didn't get much of a response on the last two postings of the locations list, so I thought I'd space it out a bit more. But with so much more traffic, it's clearly time for an update:

Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Belbbmfan:  Leuven, Belgium (CET=EDT+6)
Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)
Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Laurel:  Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT)
Louisev: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Madlori:  Columbus, Ohio (EDT)
Magicmountain:  Sydney, Australia (Time zone?)
Mainewriter:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Moremojo:  Austin, Texas (CDT?)
Navyvet:  Somewhere, Florida (EDT)
Neatfreak:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista: Madrid, Spain (CET?=EDT+6)
Pastorfred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)
Yb:  Hongkong, China (Time zone?)

If you see a question mark, it's because I need more info. If you're not on this list, we'd love to see you here! It's great to see where in the world our group is coming from. Wanna get added? Post it on this thread or PM me; either way I'll see it and put you on the list. I'm reluctant to add newbies without permission, even though the info is available on their profiles. Be as specific as you wish, no pressure.

Come one, come all! (Yes, I know. But I'm leaving it in anyway.)

Hi,

My central time zone is the same as Louise's. Is that what CET means?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 09, 2006, 07:29:54 am
Hi Natali,

My time zone details are:

AEDT Australian Eastern Daylight Time Australia UTC + 11 hours (Summer)
AEST Australian Eastern Standard Time Australia UTC + 10 hours
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 09, 2006, 07:43:00 am
I'm 2 hours behind magicmountain's (Sydney).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 09, 2006, 07:49:35 am
Quote from: yb on September 09, 2006, 07:43:00 am
I'm 2 hours behind magicmountain's (Sydney).

So then, if it is 8 am in Maine, it is 7 pm in Australia (mm) and 5 pm in Hong Kong (yb), right? And Japan is exactly 12 hours different. Just waiting for our first Japanese member to show up. We are such an international group!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 09, 2006, 08:07:21 am
You are right about mm's and my time zone, but mm is in Eastern Australia, if we have someone from Western Australia, he/she is on the same time zone as HK.  Japan is 1 hour ahead of HK.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 09, 2006, 08:19:07 am
Scenes from a Vacation on the Mountain

Ennis and Ellery's little "home away from home"

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tent.gif)

They eat well on the mountain. Well, sort of....

Breakfast:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/biscuits.jpg)

Lunch:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Sardines.jpg)

and Dinner:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/spam_1.jpg)

an after dinner treat:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/2841.jpg)

for coffee: Ellery's thermos:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/lp-ludwigthermos.jpg)

and Ennis's:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/thermos.jpg)


Up on the mountain, some quiet and reflective moments, with some pretty flowers.

Bluebells:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/English20Bluebells.jpg)

Columbine:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Columbine.jpg)

and Arnica:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/T2017320Mountain20Arnica.jpg)

I hope before the week is over, we get a little of this:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/do.jpg)


This story brought to you by:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman1.jpg)

Oh wait, that's Ellery! This is me:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Leslie.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Leslie.jpg)


Happy Saturday, everyone!

Leslie
MaineWriter







Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 09, 2006, 08:28:22 am
Aww Leslie, that was sooo great! Thank you! I needed a little something to cheer me up  :)

Had no idea what columbine, arnica or YOU looked like!  :D

Lovely pic!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 09, 2006, 08:39:05 am
Don't forget the air mattress! Maybe someone could manip this pic to feature the boys in an al fresco setting.

(http://www.inflateus.com/Manual-bedB.gif)

And the collapsible shovel.

(http://www.metro-products.com/images/products-web/hinjaShovel.jpg)

I suppose we can scrub round the latrine! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 09, 2006, 08:49:40 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 09, 2006, 08:39:05 am
Don't forget the air mattress! Maybe someone could manip this pic to feature the boys in an al fresco setting.


Calling Lucise! Photo art time...


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 09, 2006, 09:07:26 am
Natali:

CET means "Central European Time" which is what you and I are on, indeed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 09, 2006, 09:27:39 am
Actually, I pictured the shovel something more like this, an honest-to-God entrenching tool:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/The_Entrenching_Tool.jpg)


I always loved that name: "entrenching tool." It is just so...army, or something. LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 09, 2006, 09:40:41 am
yes Les, "entrenching tool" would be the item in question... absolute necessity for digging latrines and replanting wild Heartleaf Arnica.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 09, 2006, 10:05:23 am
yes for lots of guys that one works, but for two guys on a mountain, packing by horseback--the collapsible is much easier to have along, and much more practical.
Where are you going to carry that hook on horseback so it doesn't get either you or the horse???Plus it looks very heavy and cumbersome to carry.
May be an army outback tool, but just weekend camping--the laterines aren't that big. LOL
looks like you could easily dig for fossils with that one! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 09, 2006, 10:15:28 am
Quote from: ranchgal on September 09, 2006, 10:05:23 am
yes for lots of guys that one works, but for two guys on a mountain, packing by horseback--the collapsible is much easier to have along, and much more practical.
Where are you going to carry that hook on horseback so it doesn't get either you or the horse???Plus it looks very heavy and cumbersome to carry.
May be an army outback tool, but just weekend camping--the laterines aren't that big. LOL
looks like you could easily dig for fossils with that one! ;D

It's an Army entrenching tool. It collapses and folds up, and the wooden handle is removable. Very portable, actually. Also, I imagine that Ennis would buy camping supplies at an Army/Navy surplus store and they usually have mountains of old entrenching tools lying around.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 09, 2006, 10:46:16 am
hey guys... I'm sitting in chat waiting for Leslie to go shopping and do real life things, typing away on chapter 26.  Come visit, somebody...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 09, 2006, 11:37:54 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 09, 2006, 07:29:54 am
Hi Natali,

My time zone details are:

AEDT Australian Eastern Daylight Time Australia UTC + 11 hours (Summer)
AEST Australian Eastern Standard Time Australia UTC + 10 hours


Hi Jo,

I'm not the one asking, its Neatfreak. :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 09, 2006, 12:09:42 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/109792.html  "Chapter 26:  All Wrong"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 09, 2006, 01:44:02 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/109831.html  "Chapter 27:  Wanting You"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 09, 2006, 03:00:08 pm
RE: Chapter 27. 

 Another great Chapter Louisev!    Thanks!

David ~  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 09, 2006, 04:18:09 pm
I dreamt about this pic last night ...  ;D,
ok well .. I wish, but after staring at it for about 10 minutes just now, I better ..  ::)

Beefy!Hugh ..woohoo..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/c5191e01.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 09, 2006, 04:57:41 pm
Hehehe Lucise  ;D

Is this a pic from that sexy movie with Halle Berry and John Travolta??

I prefer him a little less beefy but I must admit this is a sexy one.... :P

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 09, 2006, 05:04:35 pm
June - Hugh works for me both ways, Beefy or Not .. hehe   8)

Natali - You might be interested in this one below .. ;)


The Lads having some pizza .. Ellery looks a lil puzzled though ..

Can anyone think of a caption for this pic?  :)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/526f1ac3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: DeeDee on September 09, 2006, 05:22:13 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 09, 2006, 05:04:35 pm
June - Hugh works for me both ways, Beefy or Not .. hehe   8)

Natali - You might be interested in this one below .. ;)


The Lads having some pizza .. Ellery looks a lil puzzled though ..

Can anyone think of a caption for this pic?  :)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/526f1ac3.jpg)


"I thought you said it tastes like chicken."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 09, 2006, 06:00:15 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on September 09, 2006, 03:00:08 pm
RE: Chapter 27. 

 Another great Chapter Louisev!    Thanks!

David ~  :)

why thank you David.  A couple of people were somewhat shaken up at yesterday's chapters.  I wish I could have gone on and written all four of these at one time so that people would not have been left with lingering anxieties about what might happen next... emotional cliffhanger, as it were, but last night I had to pause and regroup, and it took a while to get 26 done today.  So thanks everyone for hanging in there through Ennis and Ellery's emotional crisis!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 09, 2006, 06:55:45 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 09, 2006, 05:04:35 pm
June - Hugh works for me both ways, Beefy or Not .. hehe   8)

Natali - You might be interested in this one below .. ;)


The Lads having some pizza .. Ellery looks a lil puzzled though ..

Can anyone think of a caption for this pic?  :)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/526f1ac3.jpg)

Ennis, we are in the goddamn house. Don't you ever take  your fuckin hat off?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 09, 2006, 06:58:50 pm
 :laugh:  Cheers ladies ...hehe
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 09, 2006, 07:04:02 pm
Ennis feels nakkid without his hat ..lol..
But Ellery seems ok with him keeping it on here ...  :P



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/450446ff.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 09, 2006, 07:56:26 pm
oh Lucise, you are the best.  And now the challenge:  Hugh... on a horse?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on September 09, 2006, 09:50:27 pm
Well, I wrote a lengthy and brilliant post this morning and it apparently disappeared into the ether. So:

Thank you, Leslie, for the information about the international time zones and how they compare to Eastern Daylight Time. I was getting a headache. And next month, it all changes; I'm going to have to figure out who changes times and who does not! I'm getting a headache again.

I have added a new feature to the Locations Update: our first names. I've got a few already, based on those who have included their names in their recent posts. I know I should have more, but I have a terrible memory for names. And I don't want to include those who have only given me their names in PMs. So if you would like to have your first name added to your web name in this list, please post the info or PM me.

Here's the latest:

Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Belbbmfan:  Leuven, Belgium (CET=EDT+6)
Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford/David:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)
Helen/Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Laurel:  Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT)
Louisev/Louise: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Lynne:  Tennessee, USA (CDT)
Madlori/Lori:  Columbus, Ohio (EDT)
Magicmountain/Jo:  Sydney, Australia (AEDT=EDT+11)
Mainewriter/Leslie:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Moremojo/Scott:  Austin, Texas (CDT=EDT-1)
Navyvet:  Somewhere, Florida (EDT)
Neatfreak/Betty:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista/Natali: Madrid, Spain (CET=EDT+6)
Pastorfred/Fred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)
Yb:  Hongkong, China (Name of zone?=EDT+9)

neatfreak/Betty
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 09, 2006, 11:07:12 pm
just read the last two chapters posted... wow! They were seriously good, I'm loving Ellery more and more every day, insecurities and all. Ch. 26 just breaks my heart.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 09, 2006, 11:28:49 pm
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/526f1ac3.jpg)

OK Ennis. Time to get fancy. Put this on my stomach then ya can eat and ride!

Note: Ellery jokingly suggested this some time ago!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 10, 2006, 02:39:02 am
I am off to bed on this Saturday night .. one more pic before bed .. ;)

Two Dashing Men in Black .. Y*U*M


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/c0936645.jpg)


Night!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 10, 2006, 02:48:47 am
Lucise I'm loving the E&E pics!    Keep em coming Darlin!

David  ~   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 10, 2006, 02:56:01 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 10, 2006, 02:39:02 am
I am off to bed on this Saturday night .. one more pic before bed .. ;)

Two Dashing Men in Black .. Y*U*M


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/c0936645.jpg)


Night!

Stunning!  Thanks so much, Lucise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 10, 2006, 03:58:57 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 10, 2006, 02:39:02 am
I am off to bed on this Saturday night .. one more pic before bed .. ;)

Two Dashing Men in Black .. Y*U*M


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/c0936645.jpg)


Night!

waw, sunday morning breakfast and two dashing men in black!
thanks lucise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 10, 2006, 04:10:27 am
Lucise,
I absolutely love the Dashing Men in Black! :o
Thank you!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 10, 2006, 05:27:20 am
Lucise,

What a lovely treat to wake up to!!

*deep sigh* they are just too gorgeous....

Thanks soo much  :)

Betty: my first name is June and thank you so much for doing all of this  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 10, 2006, 05:56:01 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/110292.html  "Chapter 28:  Lightning Strikes Twice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 10, 2006, 06:45:28 am
oh yes, and, even though I usually sleep really late on Sunday, I'm working on the next chapter and idling in chat if anyone is around!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 10, 2006, 07:25:30 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/110469.html  "Chapter 29:  True Confessions"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 10, 2006, 10:50:29 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 09, 2006, 05:04:35 pm
June - Hugh works for me both ways, Beefy or Not .. hehe   8)

Natali - You might be interested in this one below .. ;)


The Lads having some pizza .. Ellery looks a lil puzzled though ..

Can anyone think of a caption for this pic?  :)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/526f1ac3.jpg)

It's perfect Milli!!  :D

Caption: Ellery: What do ya mean ya fantasize about the Charlie's Angels, Ennis?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 10, 2006, 11:48:19 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 10, 2006, 10:50:29 am
It's perfect Milli!!  :D

Caption: Ellery: What do ya mean ya fantasize about the Charlie's Angels?

lol..  ;D

I am glad you all dig the dashing men in black .. ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 10, 2006, 12:02:03 pm
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER







For those who have read chapter 30... here is what was on the tube when Ennis was having a moment of drunken Clint Eastwood fantasy...

"The Beguiled"

http://www.impawards.com/1971/beguiled.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 10, 2006, 12:20:23 pm
Obviously Louise is chuckling so hard at chapter 30, she forgot to give us the link...but is already giving us spoilers! Thank God I am around to maintain order in this place. Jeez...

Chapter 30: Detour   http://louisev.livejournal.com/110684.html

Leslie
MW
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 10, 2006, 12:39:20 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 10, 2006, 12:20:23 pm
Obviously Louise is chuckling so hard at chapter 30, she forgot to give us the link...but is already giving us spoilers! Thank God I am around to maintain order in this place. Jeez...

Chapter 30: Detour   http://louisev.livejournal.com/110684.html

Leslie
MW

I know I'm still chuckling at chapter 30... that was great!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 10, 2006, 12:46:01 pm
what?  what what what?

Uh oh, I had too much Glenfiddle.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 10, 2006, 01:15:30 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 10, 2006, 12:39:20 pm
I know I'm still chuckling at chapter 30... that was great!  ;D
Oh yeah!! It was absolutely hilarious!  ;D

Great stuff Louise!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 10, 2006, 01:26:00 pm
I am busy reading the latest chapters.. woohoo..

Wanna see the lads a-riding on Brokeback?   ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/ea4130fd.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 10, 2006, 01:37:22 pm
whoo wee!  Ridem cowboy!

Love Hugh on a horse.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 10, 2006, 03:11:12 pm
Chapter 30  Spoiler Alert ................





...

When Ennis returned from putting the wash in at the motel’s laundry, Ellery was under the sheet, his brace on his back, and sound asleep. He turned on the television set, sound muted, and flipped through the channels, finding one that had a very young Clint Eastwood surrounded by young women in what looked like a Civil War film. He watched, sipping on a shot of scotch as he waited for the laundry to run, enjoying the long shots of bare-chested Eastwood, laid up with a bullet in his leg after being shot by one of the women. That is one fine piece a man, he thought, and glanced quickly back to the bed where Ellery lay, sleeping deeply.


Another Eastwood lover here!! :D  Clint was so hot in all those westerns..damn!

Here is what Ennis was watching on TV: (love this movie)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Clint_Eastwood/8cb88d63.jpg)


And here is what possibly got Ennis pitchin' a tent in them tight cutoffs...lol

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Clint_Eastwood/2eb1a899.jpg)

Woo..wee..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 10, 2006, 03:16:30 pm
Did you get my pm Louise?

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 10, 2006, 03:18:43 pm
Wooooweeee indeed Lucise!!!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 10, 2006, 03:26:40 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 10, 2006, 03:16:30 pm
Did you get my pm Louise?

 :)

yup yup!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 11, 2006, 07:15:49 am
The first time I ever saw Clint Eastwood in a movie (that I remember) was in Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, (The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly). I saw it in Italy, in Italian and had no clue what was going on. I'll be honest, whenever I watch Westerns in English I have no clue what is going on, either. LOL

Maybe next time Ennis flips through the channels this will come on?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 11, 2006, 07:20:09 am
It is really quite a devilish and sexy story!  And I am not surprised Lucise likes it! I liked it too, particularly all of those makeout scenes with the various women.

It really got Ennis worked up!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 10:11:11 am
I had a thought today (I know, SHOCKING).

There are a lot of people who, let's say, don't really buy the premise of the LS. They are upset by Ennis moving on, feel that Jack isn't being honored, yadda yadda.

Let's think for a moment about how these same people might view the story if it were not fanfic.  If there was no Brokeback canon, and they were reading about a guy named Ennis who we knew had lost his lover and was still wallowing until he met someone new.

Do you still think that anyone would be against Ennis's new romance?  No.  They'd be saying "Ennis, you need to get OVER that other guy...what's his name, Jack?  It's been years.  It's time to move on!"

My point is that the story on its face, disregarding the backstory, is one in which most readers would root for the protagonist to get on with his life and let go of his dead lover's memory.  It is only the sometimes feverish attachment to Jack that puts a different spin on people's perceptions.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 11, 2006, 10:16:48 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 10:11:11 am
I had a thought today (I know, SHOCKING).

There are a lot of people who, let's say, don't really buy the premise of the LS. They are upset by Ennis moving on, feel that Jack isn't being honored, yadda yadda.

Let's think for a moment about how these same people might view the story if it were not fanfic.  If there was no Brokeback canon, and they were reading about a guy named Ennis who we knew had lost his lover and was still wallowing until he met someone new.

Do you still think that anyone would be against Ennis's new romance?  No.  They'd be saying "Ennis, you need to get OVER that other guy...what's his name, Jack?  It's been years.  It's time to move on!"

My point is that the story on its face, disregarding the backstory, is one in which most readers would root for the protagonist to get on with his life and let go of his dead lover's memory.  It is only the sometimes feverish attachment to Jack that puts a different spin on people's perceptions.

I so agree with you! You couldn't have said it better Lori!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on September 11, 2006, 10:27:14 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 11, 2006, 10:16:48 am
I so agree with you! You couldn't have say it better Lori!

I'd like to add my own agreement to Lori's description of the problem of unhealthy attachment to Jack among some residents of bbmworld.

I would add that a few fans seem to have an unhealthy attachment to their own grief over the death of Jack.

I think the people who deeply hate the Laramie Saga are few and far between. It's just that they are, as Ennis would describe it, "loud and pissy."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 11, 2006, 10:49:57 am
When you take away the "Brokeback" devotional quality... that "Dennis" for example, is grieving his dead lover... then it makes me wonder if I'm not pussy-footing around a bit for the sake of the feelings of the Jakeaholic Jackaholic readers....

very interesting idea to contemplate...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 10:54:36 am
Quote
When you take away the "Brokeback" devotional quality... that "Dennis" for example, is grieving his dead lover... then it makes me wonder if I'm not pussy-footing around a bit for the sake of the feelings of the Jakeaholic Jackaholic readers....

No, I think it's just right.  I mean, it IS a fanfic, and there is the backstory to take into account, and in writing it you do have to consider that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 11, 2006, 11:10:15 am
It is an excellent way to turn the question around though, certainly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 11, 2006, 12:45:02 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 10:11:11 am
I had a thought today (I know, SHOCKING).

There are a lot of people who, let's say, don't really buy the premise of the LS. They are upset by Ennis moving on, feel that Jack isn't being honored, yadda yadda.

Let's think for a moment about how these same people might view the story if it were not fanfic.  If there was no Brokeback canon, and they were reading about a guy named Ennis who we knew had lost his lover and was still wallowing until he met someone new.

Do you still think that anyone would be against Ennis's new romance?  No.  They'd be saying "Ennis, you need to get OVER that other guy...what's his name, Jack?  It's been years.  It's time to move on!"

My point is that the story on its face, disregarding the backstory, is one in which most readers would root for the protagonist to get on with his life and let go of his dead lover's memory.  It is only the sometimes feverish attachment to Jack that puts a different spin on people's perceptions.
Oh yes! I couldn't agree with you more too!
It's strange though, I've always been an enormous Jack lover (still am) but I've NEVER had a problem with The Laramie Saga. I guess it's also because I've never been angry with Ennis for not being able to take Jack up on his offer for that sweet life. And the people that have the BIG problems with The Laramie Saga are also the ones that really really do blame Ennis and therefore don't see why he should be able to have a shot at happiness after Jacks death which they also blame him for entirely.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on September 11, 2006, 12:59:16 pm
My two cents on the LS saga drama.  MadLori's and Louise's story helped me heal and move on. But I wanted to heal and move.  I want Ennis to heal and move on.

By the way I was really angry at Ennis the other day for saying infront of Ellery that " when I die, I want to be here with Jack"  I mean how insensitve.  Or am I becoming an Elleryaholic?

Louise, the only thing wrong with your story is that there isn't enough. When I am finished reading each chapter, I want more.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 01:06:55 pm
Quote
By the way I was really angry at Ennis the other day for saying infront of Ellery that " when I die, I want to be here with Jack"  I mean how insensitve.

I can see how this statement of Ennis's might rub you the wrong way.

My feeling on this is that it's only right.  Ennis loves Ellery openly.  I would not be surprised if at some point in the near future he told him that he wants to spend the rest of his life with Ellery.  This is what he could not do for Jack, what he wasn't prepared to risk for Jack.

Ennis is going to live with Ellery and cry with him and be there with him through good things and bad things and they're going to have fights and make up and celebrate anniversaries and build their own home and family.

Ennis is giving his life to Ellery.  I think I understand if he wants to give his death to Jack.  It's the only thing left that he CAN give him, whereas he can give Ellery everything else.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 11, 2006, 01:08:45 pm
Quote from: gn411 on September 11, 2006, 12:59:16 pm
My two cents on the LS saga drama.  MadLori's and Louise's story helped me heal and move on. But I wanted to heal and move.  I want Ennis to heal and move on.

By the way I was really angry at Ennis the other day for saying infront of Ellery that " when I die, I want to be here with Jack"  I mean how insensitve.  Or am I becoming an Elleryaholic?

Louise, the only thing wrong with your story is that there isn't enough. When I am finished reading each chapter, I want more.

I also think Ennis was wrong and I was not happy that he said such thing in front of Ellery and my heart just ached for Ellery so much, but I still could not be angry at him.  Perhaps I am too much of an Ennisaholic!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 11, 2006, 01:11:24 pm
Quote
I would add that a few fans seem to have an unhealthy attachment to their own grief over the death of Jack.


That makes a lot of sense to me and I think this may be, in large part, why I had trouble with the Larmie Saga when I first started reading it. There were parts in the first book where even just a paragraph or a sentence would set me off sobbing and I wouldn't understand why other than that I felt it was all so damn unfair to Jack.

I've started rereading the whole saga over the past couple of days though and the first book isn't as difficult for me after having gotten through the rest. I realized last night that this was because when I began reading I was still knee deep in my own grief over Jack and hadn't realized how much I had been holding on to it and how much all that sobbing and anger I went through while reading the first book really helped me move past that grief. It was the last thing I ever expected from a fan fic but, now, looking back, it's probably also the best thing I've ever gotten out of one.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 11, 2006, 01:12:35 pm
Quote
I think I understand if he wants to give his death to Jack.  It's the only thing left that he CAN give him, whereas he can give Ellery everything else.

This is so so well said.  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 11, 2006, 01:19:58 pm
Quote from: gn411 on September 11, 2006, 12:59:16 pm
By the way I was really angry at Ennis the other day for saying infront of Ellery that " when I die, I want to be here with Jack"  I mean how insensitve.  Or am I becoming an Elleryaholic?

It is interesting too that when Ennis made that statement, he didn't even realise what he had said, when Ellery got upset, he didn't even clue in that that comment had a huge impact on Ellery at the very moment.  It does makes sense that he would want his ashes to end up on the mountain, he loves Jack, loves Brokeback, loves camping up there, he spent many moments of happiness up there with Jack .. but Ennis saying that to Ellery must've hurt him like a bitch. 
I know it'll never happen, but I know Ennis would more than freak out if Ellery ever said he'd like to be buried with Beag ..lol, even though we know that they didn't have close to what Jack and Ennis had.  :)

What matters now is that they talked it through, Ennis is dealing with missing Jack but understands how much Ellery means to him, Ellery is admitting his insecurities to himself and Ennis .. and they both know that they love each other deeply.  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 11, 2006, 01:20:12 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 11, 2006, 01:11:24 pm
That makes a lot of sense to me and I think this may be, in large part, why I had trouble with the Larmie Saga when I first started reading it. There were parts in the first book where even just a paragraph or a sentence would set me off sobbing and I wouldn't understand why other than that I felt it was all so damn unfair to Jack.

I've started rereading the whole saga over the past couple of days though and the first book isn't as difficult for me after having gotten through the rest. I realized last night that this was because when I began reading I was still knee deep in my own grief over Jack and hadn't realized how much I had been holding on to it and how much all that sobbing and anger I went through while reading the first book really helped me move past that grief. It was the last thing I ever expected from a fan fic but, now, looking back, it's probably also the best thing I've ever gotten out of one.

this is fascinating.  Because one of the things I have perhaps struggled TOO hard with is to try to understand why what I wrote triggers this process off.  Is it the detailed depiction of the past relationship with Jack?  Is it the fact that Ennis himself is struggling?  Or because he really does fall in love again?  I am wondering what it is that is so poignant for people that it triggers off the intense grief reaction... and you are the first one to have given me any insight at all into it, having first struggled through it and then gone on and come back to look at it afresh.  THANKS!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 01:21:38 pm
Quote
This is so so well said.

I'ma professional.  don't try this at home.

heh heh ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 11, 2006, 01:33:37 pm
yes, I am typing. I can hear you all drumming your fingers.

I'm typing I'm typing!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 11, 2006, 01:41:42 pm
I added some of the latest pix posted here to the Gallery ..
That thread is getting heavy from all the pictures, I sometimes have problems posting to it from home..  :)


For all newcomers, you can check out our Gallery here:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.0

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on September 11, 2006, 01:43:16 pm
"Ennis is going to live with Ellery and cry with him and be there with him through good things and bad things and they're going to have fights and make up and celebrate anniversaries and build their own home and family.

Ennis is giving his life to Ellery.  I think I understand if he wants to give his death to Jack.  It's the only thing left that he CAN give him, whereas he can give Ellery everything else."

Very profound Madlori!  Insight.  And to the authors credit, I read something and felt something.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 11, 2006, 02:35:17 pm
Quote from: gn411 on September 11, 2006, 12:59:16 pm
By the way I was really angry at Ennis the other day for saying infront of Ellery that " when I die, I want to be here with Jack"  I mean how insensitve.  Or am I becoming an Elleryaholic?

Hah hah!  I was angry, too!  But I forgave him pretty quick...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 11, 2006, 02:45:47 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/110976.html  "Chapter 31: Deathbed Secrets."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 11, 2006, 03:57:51 pm
I thought a little while about what to say concerning Ennis's comment about wanting to be buried on Brokeback.  He was largely talking to Jack at that moment, and Ellery was aware of it.  But it struck Ellery very hard, and caused him to retreat.  It was only when Ellery backed away physically that Ennis became aware of his response.

However, to Ennis it is a perfectly natural desire, just as natural as the desire to make the memorial and then to add his name to it.  It isn't that he doesn't understand that this would bother Ellery... just that it is something Ennis must do regardless.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 11, 2006, 04:21:47 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 11, 2006, 01:12:35 pm
This is so so well said.  :'(
I agree..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 11, 2006, 04:23:06 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 11, 2006, 02:35:17 pm
Hah hah!  I was angry, too!  But I forgave him pretty quick...
Me too! But I can never stay angry with Ennis for long! Never.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 11, 2006, 05:30:12 pm
I just thought of a saying in Spanish (not sure if it is said in English as well) that IMO describes what's going on between Ennis and Ellery, and especially with Ellery in this book: The darkest moment of the night is the closest to daybreak. Ellery is at a turning point of his life, at the darkest moment, right before a new sunrise, so it's no wonder he's having all these doubts and fears. Ennis is too, but he had been on that road before, and he has been cleaning his soul for sometime before meeting Ellery, so he is calmer now. But Ennis also met his demons, and got all irrational just like Ellery is now. I know this is just a story, but this is what happens when we find ourselves at a turning point in our lives, and when we really want to change and clean our souls.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on September 11, 2006, 08:09:12 pm
Quote from: opinionista on September 11, 2006, 05:30:12 pm
I just thought of a saying in Spanish (not sure if it is said in English as well) that IMO describes what's going on between Ennis and Ellery, and especially with Ellery in this book: The darkest moment of the night is the closest to daybreak. Ellery is at a turning point of his life, at the darkest moment, right before a new sunrise, so it's no wonder he's having all these doubts and fears. Ennis is too, but he had been on that road before, and he has been cleaning his soul for sometime before meeting Ellery, so he is calmer now. But Ennis also met his demons, and got all irrational just like Ellery is now. I know this is just a story, but this is what happens when we find ourselves at a turning point in our lives, and when we really want to change and clean our souls.

There is a saying in English, Natali, and I think it's just the same: "The darkest hour is just before dawn." In deserts and mountains, the coldest hour is then, too!

I think you are quite right about Ennis and Ellery. This moment is challenging for them, but they'll make it. I have faith in the two of them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 08:10:09 pm
Hey y'all...I found a video of a paso fino walking.  I was curious about what it looked like.  Google to the rescue!

It is quite amazing.  I can't imagine what it looks like going faster.

http://www.swpfha.org/videos/maraquita-001-01.mpg
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on September 11, 2006, 08:11:33 pm
Welcome, heathjake! We're glad you're here. Such an insightful first post! I'm looking forward to reading more of your thoughts on this great story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on September 11, 2006, 08:16:12 pm
Quote from: heathjake on September 11, 2006, 07:54:28 pm
I am new in this forum and I am happy to be here. I can see Ennis and Ellery having a future  together and that makes me very happy. Ennis deserves to have a happy life . He truly does love Jack yes still and that will never change, but I'm glad he loves ellery too and that is good. I am sick and tired of people saying Jack is being dishonored. If they read what Ennis said..... I have to move cause I can't have Jack. I see that as Ennis saying I love him still but he is dead and he is not here so I am going to live and love still and Ellery is here to love and he loves me too. The best thing that you can do to honor someome is to carry on their lagacy and Ennis is doing that by becoming the man that Jack would love. He is doing this not becouse he does not love Jack,it is becuse he does. .still

Wanting to be buried on Brokeback beside Jacks monument  is all that he can give Jack . I agree with the poster who said that 150%  He can give Ellery a life they both deserve. Like many readers, I am a big Jack/ ennis fan but Jack is dead. This is such an amazing story and I am with it to the end.
I will however like to see Ellery write down or share with the girls Ennis's burial  wishes as he is a cop and can be hurt mortally in the line of duty  ++++( I  HOPE NOT)++++and then no one will know of Enni's wish.
Again I am glad to be here.

I, too, want to welcome you to this thread, friend. After our heartfelt conversation in the chat room earlier today, I feel comfortable calling you a friend, and I hope you will feel the same.

Your thoughts are most welcome, especially since so many of us agree with you so wholeheartedly. (*chuckle*) But even if you have ideas that would contradict what some of us feel very strongly about, you are most welcome to express those, too. We try very hard to respect each other here at bettermost, and when we disagree we try not to be disagreeable.

Ennis and Ellery face a lot of challenges in their life together. I guess the most important thing is that they are more and more committed to facing their challenges together.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 11, 2006, 08:49:31 pm
Heathjake,

Let me offer my welcome, too. We have a friendly, lively group here who likes to talk about the Laramie Saga, BBM (ths story and the movie), throw up pics, recipes and God knows what else....and as you discovered this afternoon, we like to chat, too.

As we say in Bettermost: pull up a chair. You want a piece of cherry cake? Some coffee?

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 11, 2006, 10:02:13 pm
Emotional correctness, recreational mourning and the tyranny of grief

I mentioned this a while back but I think it bears repeating. Jack is a Diana figure: both are beautiful, both are emotionally troubled, both are apparently wronged by seemingly heartless men, both meet an early tragic death in which these men are felt to be responsible for in some way. Jack attracts the same kind of emotional/devotional response in death as Diana did. There are some who would still blame Prince Charles for what happened to Diana and who will never accept Camilla on that account. Similarly there are some who blame Ennis for Jack’s death and will never accept Ellery for the same reason.

“Emotional correctness” is a variation on political correctness, in which people feel that peer pressure demands they react in a certain way. What Mick Hume a writer with British think tank Civitas and others have to say about the phenomenon of  “emotional correctness” and “recreational mourning”  following the death of Diana might help us understand better the hugely exaggerated reaction to Jack’s death by some and the resulting antagonism towards The Laramie Saga. (Note: This analysis does not apply to those who felt a healthy and genuine grief over Jack's death and experience some continuing emotional pain over him as Ennis starts a new relationship and as they to move on with Ennis to recover some joy in life! I believe that it may very well apply to obsessives who have made a fetish out of Jack's relationship with Ennis and Jack's untimely demise.)

In an article on the “Cult of Diana”, Matt Cherry wrote: “Emotions-gone-religious seems to have taken place with the mass expression of grief at the death of Diana. Public reinforcement of emotions usually kept private seemed to encourage ever more hysterical declarations of adoration and loss. A secular event was made sacred. Death can let emotion gain control over all reason.”

Author of the report “Conspicuous Compassion” Patrick West says people were trying to feel better about themselves by taking part in manufactured emotion. “Extravagant public displays of grief for strangers are 'grief-lite' undertaken as an enjoyable event, much like going to a football match or the last night of the proms. Mourning sickness is a religion for the lonely crowd that no longer subscribes to orthodox churches. Its flowers and teddies are its rites, its collective minutes' silences its liturgy and mass.”

Writing soon after Diana’s death Mick Hume wrote: “Britons are feeding their own egos by indulging in 'recreational grief' for murdered children and dead celebrities they have never met. Mourning sickness is a substitute for religion. The media preachers of emotional correctness issued two commandments in the aftermath of Diana's death. First, thou shalt weep and wail. The word from the editorial offices was that everybody from the Queen downwards had to soften that stiff upper lip and show their emotions in public. The obligation was to hug strangers, wear a ribbon, light a candle so turning the world into one big Oprah studio where audience participation was obligatory. Second, thou shalt weep together to keep together. Only one kind of emotion was to be allowed, in order for the nation to be seen to be united on its collective knees. The clear message was that if you were not grieving the way the editorial-writers said we all were, then you should put on a front of ersatz emotion and play the part anyway. The end result was a 'tyranny of grief'.

“This coercive side of emotional correctness was never far behind the flowers and the touchy-feely stuff. In seeking to impose their code of emotional correctness from the top of society downwards, much of the media abandoned reporting in favour of preaching, replacing any notion of public debate with a demand for national unity. You do not have to be a fan of the House of Windsor to worry at the implications of the assumption of such moral authority by the media. On the morning of Diana's funeral, at least one man was reportedly beaten up outside his home for showing disrespect by daring to wash his car.”

Does any of this sound familiar?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 11, 2006, 11:32:14 pm
Hi y'all!
I'm up to Chapter 88: Millie - in Shelter From the Storm.  Yay, me.
I found an animated gif of a slow gait while researching Paso Finos (coz I was curious.)
I don't know how y'all post pictures and such here.  But I sure have enjoyed the ones I've seen.
So here is the link so that you can see it also:

http://www.gaitedhorses.net/BreedArticles/PasoFino.htm

That .mpg posted earlier was awesome, btw.  What a beautiful animal.
I luv E&E and I luv The Laramie Saga!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
Okay, brace yourselves.  I'm about to do the dumbest fangirliest thing a person can do.  That would be listing songs that remind us of our boys.  I hope you'll all still respect me in the morning.

The other day, somewhere, I heard that old song "I Don't Love You Much, Do I", which is a charming and old-fashioned country song, and it seemed apt.  There's nothing particularly E and E specific in the song except perhaps the style of the lyrics (a bit countrified) but it's really the music.

Lyrics:
I don't love you much, do I
Just more than human tongue can tell, that's all.
I don't love you much, do I
Remember how I kissed you in the hall?

(chorus)
See how it sparkles in my eyes?
I couldn't hide it if I tried, that's right
I don't love you much, do I
Just more than anything else in this whole world

I don't love you much, do I
Just more than all the stars in the sky
I don't love you much, do I
I think you hung the moon and that's all right

(chorus)

I don't love you much, do I
You can feel it all the way across the room
I don't love you much, do I
Like spring doesn't make the flowers bloom
I don't love you much, do I
I'd follow you to hell and back again
I don't love you much, do I
Just watch me light up when you walk in

(chorus x 2)

The other one that really hit me was "Fix You" by Coldplay. 

When you try your best but you don't succeed
When you get what you want but not what you need
When you feel so tired but you can't sleep
Stuck in reverse.

And the tears come streaming down your face
When you lose something you can't replace
When you love someone but it goes to waste
Could it be worse?

Lights will guide you home
And ignite your bones
And I will try to fix you

And high up above or down below
When you're too in love to let it go
But if you never try you'll never know
Just what you're worth

Lights will guide you home
And ignite your bones
And I will try to fix you

Tears stream, down your face
When you lose something you cannot replace
Tears stream down your face
And I..

Lights will guide you home
And ignite your bones
And I will try to fix you.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 11, 2006, 11:47:36 pm
Well, I did some snooping (ain't Google grand?) and I've been trying to find a floor plan of the one bedroom cabin/cottage/bungalow that Ellery owns.  I've tried to picture what Louise has described as far as the interior layout, but it is hard finding 1 bedroom plans that are anything but tiny.  Here are a few choices to peruse and I thought it might be fun to pick our favs.  Louise, do any of these come close to what you envisioned?

http://www.houseplans.com/plan_details.asp?id=22087&st=8

http://www.houseplans.com/plan_details.asp?id=15587&st=9

http://www.houseplans.com/plan_details.asp?id=16411&st=10

http://www.houseplans.com/plan_details.asp?id=1030&st=3

Carports could easily be added to the side of any of them.

Enjoy and I'll keep looking.  I couldn't get the actual pictures to post, so I had to list the links.  :-)

   
 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 12, 2006, 12:22:30 am
Speaking of floor plans, David and Leslie (I think) had found some way back when ..am I right?
I can't even guess what page those were posted on ..:)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 12, 2006, 12:30:48 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
Okay, brace yourselves.  I'm about to do the dumbest fangirliest thing a person can do.  That would be listing songs that remind us of our boys.  I hope you'll all still respect me in the morning.

lol..
Stranger things have happened Lori ..  ;D 
Great lyrics!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 12, 2006, 12:32:17 am
Before I turn in for the night, one more pic ..
I am keeping the promise I made on Louise's LJ, Chapter 28: Lightning Strikes Twice .. ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/5e4d275c.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 12, 2006, 12:33:48 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 08:10:09 pm
Hey y'all...I found a video of a paso fino walking.  I was curious about what it looked like.  Google to the rescue!

It is quite amazing.  I can't imagine what it looks like going faster.

http://www.swpfha.org/videos/maraquita-001-01.mpg

One cool thing they do in the big shows-after they have done their gaits around the horseshow arena--they have them do their gaits down  a wooden sidewalk, instead of the sand like in this video---because you can hear the cadence of the 4 beat gait, no matter the speed, when they do it on a wooden walkway---and it is neat to hear---just like a drumroll.  One aspect of their shows that is very different from most shows--sets the breed apart not only watching, but listening to them too. :)
they show some big Paso Fino horse shows on a tv network--rural telvision network--that we get through our cable.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 12, 2006, 12:37:30 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 12, 2006, 12:22:30 am
Speaking of floor plans, David and Leslie (I think) had found some way back when ..am I right?
I can't even guess what page those were posted on ..:)

I think the pictures ended up in the Laramie Gallery threads too--at least pictures of the outside of what was envisioned.   The house, the cars, the horses, and of course besides the cast---the toys!! and food naturally can't exist without food!! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 12, 2006, 02:12:49 am
In French coup de foudre (lightning strike) means love at first sight.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 04:21:12 am
Quote from: heathjake on September 11, 2006, 07:54:28 pm
I am new in this forum and I am happy to be here. I can see Ennis and Ellery having a future  together and that makes me very happy. Ennis deserves to have a happy life . He truly does love Jack yes still and that will never change, but I'm glad he loves ellery too and that is good. I am sick and tired of people saying Jack is being dishonored. If they read what Ennis said..... I have to move cause I can't have Jack. I see that as Ennis saying I love him still but he is dead and he is not here so I am going to live and love still and Ellery is here to love and he loves me too. The best thing that you can do to honor someome is to carry on their lagacy and Ennis is doing that by becoming the man that Jack would love. He is doing this not becouse he does not love Jack,it is becuse he does. .still

Thanks for sharing your thoughts heathjake.  I hope you did not find me too standoffish last night... chapter 31 was a hard one to write,and if you have any doubts about why I am not too forthcoming with new faces... just take a look at the comments on chapter 31.  Being yelled it is not something I am used to as a novelist, and I have unfortunately hit a lot of nerves.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 04:22:55 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 11, 2006, 11:32:14 pm
Hi y'all!
I'm up to Chapter 88: Millie - in Shelter From the Storm.  Yay, me.
I found an animated gif of a slow gait while researching Paso Finos (coz I was curious.)
I don't know how y'all post pictures and such here.  But I sure have enjoyed the ones I've seen.
So here is the link so that you can see it also:

http://www.gaitedhorses.net/BreedArticles/PasoFino.htm

That .mpg posted earlier was awesome, btw.  What a beautiful animal.
I luv E&E and I luv The Laramie Saga!



Welcome Navyvet... yes Paso Fino is a difficult walk to imagine, you have to see it to believe it!  And to my western trained eyes it sure looks funny too, I agree with Ennis!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 04:26:38 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 11, 2006, 11:47:36 pm
Well, I did some snooping (ain't Google grand?) and I've been trying to find a floor plan of the one bedroom cabin/cottage/bungalow that Ellery owns.  I've tried to picture what Louise has described as far as the interior layout, but it is hard finding 1 bedroom plans that are anything but tiny.  Here are a few choices to peruse and I thought it might be fun to pick our favs.  Louise, do any of these come close to what you envisioned?

http://www.houseplans.com/plan_details.asp?id=22087&st=8

http://www.houseplans.com/plan_details.asp?id=15587&st=9

http://www.houseplans.com/plan_details.asp?id=16411&st=10

http://www.houseplans.com/plan_details.asp?id=1030&st=3

Carports could easily be added to the side of any of them.

Enjoy and I'll keep looking.  I couldn't get the actual pictures to post, so I had to list the links.  :-)
 


#3 comes close:  living room is entered directly from the front step, there is a short hallway that connects living room, kitchen/dining area, bathroom is next down that hall and then the bedroom which is at the end of the house.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 04:28:05 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 12, 2006, 12:32:17 am
Before I turn in for the night, one more pic ..
I am keeping the promise I made on Louise's LJ, Chapter 28: Lightning Strikes Twice .. ;)


oh Lucise... oh my!!!!!  thank you so much!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 12, 2006, 04:36:20 am
I’ve just read the most recent chapter, and it’s so sad. We all knew that Jack was unfaithful to Ennis, but it’s hard to see it laid out that way.

I guess in my mind I kind of hoped that Jack had been attracted to Worrell, because of his similarity to Ennis, but then couldn’t go through with it (for the same reason) and that Worrell had killed him in a fit of pique. I wanted a more noble end for him, but that's not realistic I suppose.

Now, will Ellery’s decision to keep the details from Ennis come back and bite him? Especially as Ennis has made a decision that it’s time to focus more on the present than the past.

Will Ennis visit Worrell on the QT before he dies and learn the truth?!!!!!!

Excellent writing as always Louise. Am a bit surprised by some of the virulent comments! Surely not necessary. I've been trying to post my comments on Live Journal, but having probs activating my account. Am an avid reader though.

Can’t wait for the next chapter!!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 04:43:12 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 11, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
Okay, brace yourselves.  I'm about to do the dumbest fangirliest thing a person can do.  That would be listing songs that remind us of our boys.  I hope you'll all still respect me in the morning.

oh my!  Well, it's morning here, and yes, I still respect you...!  thanks Lori!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 12, 2006, 04:52:45 am
Quote from: louisev on September 12, 2006, 04:43:12 am
oh my!  Well, it's morning here, and yes, I still respect you...!  thanks Lori!

Something that makes you feel better, I hope.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 12, 2006, 05:20:54 am

Now, will Ellery’s decision to keep the details from Ennis come back and bite him? Especially as Ennis has made a decision that it’s time to focus more on the present than the past.

Will Ennis visit Worrell on the QT before he dies and learn the truth?!!!!!!



That is exactly my point Kazza, which is why I think it,s best if Ellery tells him the truth. If he somehow find out a few years or months later, how would he feel knowing Ellery kept it from him? Would he hate him for it? Would he understand why he kept it from him? Would he think that he had a right to know? I think he has a right to know. I know it,s awful, poor Ennis and poor Jack for having that done to him. I have to add, that I think some of the comments left on LJ were downright spiteful. Especially the one about phoning AP?  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 12, 2006, 05:49:45 am
I know Souxi.

I'm new to the Laramie Saga, and when I started reading it I didn't think that I'd enjoy a fic that wasn't E/J. Boy was I wrong!

The vitriolic comments are way out of line. If people don't like where the story is going then they can stop reading it. Simple I would have thought.

Louise - I hope that you don't think my post above was in any way a criticism of the storyline. I was just sad to read the reality of Jack's demise.

As I'm sure you know, you have heaps of fans here.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 12, 2006, 05:56:04 am
Will Ellery tell Ennis the truth?

I think he will. So everytime Ellery has lied to Ennis--and I believe all of Ellery's lies have be of the "little white" variety--he has eventually changed his mind and told the truth. At the end of the day, I believe Ellery is an honest and principled man. However, Ellery often talks without thinking (Ennis has called him on this, recently) and says things that he later regrets--and needs to fix. I think it is also important to remember his job. He is a cop. I am not saying that cops lie but I think they will twist a situation in order to achieve a given end, knowing that some blurring of the facts may be necessary along the way. I think that as a result of his work, Ellery is used to withholding information, changing things slighty, etc., and this spills over into his personal life.

Ellery to me is a person who needs to process things but far too often he talks before he does. I think we are seeing that here. In the end, Ennis will know the truth--maybe not all the grisly details, but he'll have the facts and an understanding of Jack's death. I am quite confident of that, myself.

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 12, 2006, 06:26:20 am
SPOILER








Louise commented that her most recent chapter hit alot of nerves and she is being yelled at. Yes, there are some very blunt comments in her LJ but rather than try to debate it there, I'll bring the conversation here with some of my thoughts.

Louise took the stance very early on that Jack was murdered. The movie/story left it ambiguous and many people choose to believe that Jack's death was an accident because certainly, being killed by an exploding tire is not as awful as being cold-bloodedly murdered by a ruthless person or persons. But in the Laramie Saga, Jack was murdered and we have known that from very early on.

Now in this latest chapter, the facts of Jack's death emerge, clearly and completely, for the first time. It is not a pretty picture. Is murder ever pretty? One person wrote "I feel he should have been given...a more dignified death." We all do. Being murdered is not a fate I would wish on anybody, even an enemy. Unfortunately, it happens, far too often.

I cannot imagine what it must be like to lose a loved one to murder. First, the uncertainty while the person is missing, which may be minutes, hours, days or longer. Then, a body is found but more uncertainty. Who did this? Why? During the trial, or in this case, a confession, the grisly details emerge. What must that be like for the survivors? I think of some of the more sensational trials that have been publicized in recent years--Laci Peterson comes to mind--and my heart just breaks for the family. I do not know how they coped with the awfulness that was the murder of their daughter.

I am sad to learn the facts of Jack's death but I have to say, I am not very surprised. I have known all along that it was violent and gruesome. Even in the movie, I believe he was murdered and if we were to learn all the details of that, I imagine it would be shocking and distressing. No matter which way you cut it, Jack, sweet and caring, a loving person, but a flawed human, like all of us, met his end at the hands of a killer. Louise has given that killer a name and told us the details of his death. Yes, it is hard to read, but don't blame Louise. Blame Worrell. He is the one who did this. Louise is only telling the story.

Leslie
MW
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 12, 2006, 06:28:03 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 12, 2006, 05:56:04 am
Will Ellery tell Ennis the truth?

I think he will. So everytime Ellery has lied to Ennis--and I believe all of Ellery's lies have be of the "little white" variety--he has eventually changed his mind and told the truth. At the end of the day, I believe Ellery is an honest and principled man. However, Ellery often talks without thinking (Ennis has called him on this, recently) and says things that he later regrets--and needs to fix. I think it is also important to remember his job. He is a cop. I am not saying that cops lie but I think they will twist a situation in order to achieve a given end, knowing that some blurring of the facts may be necessary along the way. I think that as a result of his work, Ellery is used to withholding information, changing things slighty, etc., and this spills over into his personal life.

Ellery to me is a person who needs to process things but far to often he talks before he does. I think we are seeing that here. In the end, Ennis will know the truth--maybe not all the grisly details, but he'll have the facts and an understanding of Jack's death. I am quite confident of that, myself.

Leslie
MaineWriter

When I first read last night's chapter, my reaction was: Whoa, Ennis is going to be royally pissed when he finds out Ellery concealed Worrell's confession from him. Then, when I re read the chapters before going to bed, beginning on chapter 26, I realized that Ennis might be actually expecting Ellery to conceal something from him or at least try to.

Ennis is aware that Ellery is upset about Jack, and his grieving over Jack. He knows Ellery is in a mood, and has been having nightmares about the whole ordeal and isn't telling him. So, with this information in hand, he'll be looking for any sign of bullshit when Ellery tells him about Worrell, and might not even be mad. Ellery seems to have forgotten that Worrell's confession is old news to Ennis. Ennis himself told Ellery he knew Jack had sex with Worrell when he confronted him at Wes's ranch, so ¡t  can't come as a surprise to Ennis. Hopefully, Ennis takes advantage of this situation to reassure Ellery that he loves him and isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 06:34:49 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/111253.html  "Chapter 32:  Lies and Truth"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 06:49:17 am
The whole truth has not come out yet.

However, here is what we know from Chapter 35 of "Looking for Answers"

Then he read the report.  It did not contain photographs, which made it still incomplete, but nonetheless there were toxicology reports.  No sign of sexual activity, no drugs in his system, no signs of a struggle, no bruises.  He read quickly, scanning for the thing he needed so badly to know.  Massive injury to the back of the skull, caused by large blunt object.  A wrench, a hammer... something.  Not a facial, jaw, or neck injury.

Zucchini11 called it, and gets the "false confession" award.  Now I would have thought you guys would be on the alert since the false confession of John Mark Karr on the JonBenet Ramsey case.

Too bad those readers who decided to stop reading didn't wait for the rest of the story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 12, 2006, 06:55:22 am
Quote from: louisev on September 12, 2006, 06:49:17 am
The whole truth has not come out yet.

However, here is what we know from Chapter 35 of "Looking for Answers"

Then he read the report.  It did not contain photographs, which made it still incomplete, but nonetheless there were toxicology reports.  No sign of sexual activity, no drugs in his system, no signs of a struggle, no bruises.  He read quickly, scanning for the thing he needed so badly to know.  Massive injury to the back of the skull, caused by large blunt object.  A wrench, a hammer... something.  Not a facial, jaw, or neck injury.

Zucchini11 called it, and gets the "false confession" award.  Now I would have thought you guys would be on the alert since the false confession of John Mark Karr on the JonBenet Ramsey case.

Too bad those readers who decided to stop reading didn't wait for the rest of the story.

You got me Louise. This time I didn't guess!!! I must be losing my CSI knack  ;). LOL  ;D.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 12, 2006, 06:58:13 am
Silly me. Like Ellery I forgot the details of the autopsy. (slaps forehead)

Am on serious tenterhooks here. Hope we don't have to wait till tomorrow to find out what's in the written confession.

Mmmm... must try and do some work today. Does a Laramie Saga addiction count as gainful employment?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 12, 2006, 07:04:25 am
Okay, so just ignore that last post of mine. LOL

Seriously, my thoughts on the awfulness of murder still stand. And no matter what we find out about Jack--especiallly if he didn't have sex with Worrell, which seems to be what everyone wants--it still is not going to be pleasant. My 2 cents.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 12, 2006, 07:18:24 am
My eyes nearly fell off reading chapter 32, you really tricked us good.  I can't wait for the next chapter, don't know how it'll pan out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 08:02:11 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

 http://louisev.livejournal.com/111376.html  "Chapter 33:  A Meeting in Austin"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 12, 2006, 08:21:43 am
Poor Jack. That was really heartwrenching Louise. Like you said, it,s pity all those who decided to stop reading didnt wait before passing judgement. Cant someone put rat poison in Worrells IV drip? The sooner that evil slimey shit dies the better. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 12, 2006, 09:58:31 am
I finished Shelter From the Storm and today I'm starting the next book 'The Long Way Home'.

I'm excited!  Trying to avoid spoilers and looking ahead, which is no easy task.  :-)

RL is currently an annoying interruption of my reading of this wonderful, incredible saga.  Am I too obsessed?  Will I ever catch up?  LOL.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 10:56:58 am
Navy I am amazed you are starting the new book today!  Pretty soon you'll be sitting here tapping your fingers like all the rest of them saying "did you update yet?"

Yes, Spoilers, people, we  have NEW READERS here.  I forgot too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 12, 2006, 10:57:21 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 12, 2006, 09:58:31 am
I finished Shelter From the Storm and today I'm starting the next book 'The Long Way Home'.

I'm excited!  Trying to avoid spoilers and looking ahead, which is no easy task.  :-)

RL is currently an annoying interruption of my reading of this wonderful, incredible saga.  Am I too obsessed?  Will I ever catch up?  LOL.

hi there Navyvet!

don't worry about catching up. once you are, you can start rereading!! ;D :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 11:04:51 am
I just reread "Shelter From the Storm."  I think I have to go back and re-read "Second Chances" now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 11:17:30 am
Maigcmountain, I used some of your excellent "emotional correctness" essay in a LJ post about post-9/11 grief.  Hope you don't mind.

You can view the post here:

http://madlori.livejournal.com/513786.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 12:29:09 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 11:04:51 am
I just reread "Shelter From the Storm."  I think I have to go back and re-read "Second Chances" now.


errr... how long did it take you?  and how did you fit that in between writing all those blogs and redecorating your basement and... ?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 12:44:24 pm
Quote
and how did you fit that in between writing all those blogs and redecorating your basement and... ?

Don't forget writing TCJ and organizing all my photos and having weekend guests and shopping and watching TV and doing laundry and chatting on bettermost...

I don't sleep.  Are you just now noticing this?   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 12:58:18 pm
oh yeah... and that.  So... how long did it take you? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 01:02:37 pm
A couple of days.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 01:05:00 pm
impressive, still!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 12, 2006, 01:39:31 pm
I got kind of a general question here about Ennis.  I understand Brokeback Mountain is a fictitios place and Ennis is supposed to be from Signal, which is a fictitious town.  However, does anyone have any theories or clues as to what part of Wyoming these places from the original story supposedly took place in?  (I know the movie was even filmed in Canada.)

All I know about Wyoming is what I looked at on maps - Yellowstone in northwest quadrant, Lightning Flat in northeast, Riverton kind of in the middle, etc.

Thanx!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 01:48:27 pm
Signal is where Ennis and Jack met Aguirre to stage the sheep herds and truck them up to the trailhead on Brokeback Mountain.   Ennis is originally from Sage, in the southwest corner of Wyoming, a rural town.

Riverton is not far from where the mythical Signal is, and Dubois is one of the towns they ate at between Signal and Brokeback.  My best guess of the description is that Brokeback Mountain is supposedly in the northwest Wind River Range, which is just southeast of the Tetons.  If you look through our messages or search for Dubois, which is where some of the scenes in "The Long Way Home" occur, Dubois is about 80 miles from Riverton northwest, and is on the verge of the Wind River range.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 02:14:19 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/111767.html  "Chapter 34:  Affidavit"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 02:20:29 pm
Oh, Louise!  You posted your update on wranglers!  Does this mean we only get one chapter today?   :(

Not that I should complain...we're spoiled as it is with your daily updates.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 12, 2006, 02:23:13 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 02:20:29 pm
Oh, Louise!  You posted your update on wranglers!  Does this mean we only get one chapter today?   :(

Not that I should complain...we're spoiled as it is with your daily updates.

We've had 3 chapters today....wow!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 02:25:44 pm
*blink*

32, 33, 34.... I thought sure that was three.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 02:38:05 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 12, 2006, 02:25:44 pm
*blink*

32, 33, 34.... I thought sure that was three.

Oh, you're right, you're right.  I guess I was thinking of 32 and 33 as part of yesterday since they were posted  earlier than usual.

My bad.  *goes to hide in corner*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 02:40:21 pm
no, I only wrote one chapter yesterday, that is true.  But i wrote 3 Saturday, so I'm still averaging two chapters a day.  You greedy so and so!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 12, 2006, 02:49:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 12, 2006, 01:48:27 pm
Signal is where Ennis and Jack met Aguirre to stage the sheep herds and truck them up to the trailhead on Brokeback Mountain.   Ennis is originally from Sage, in the southwest corner of Wyoming, a rural town.

Riverton is not far from where the mythical Signal is, and Dubois is one of the towns they ate at between Signal and Brokeback.  My best guess of the description is that Brokeback Mountain is supposedly in the northwest Wind River Range, which is just southeast of the Tetons.  If you look through our messages or search for Dubois, which is where some of the scenes in "The Long Way Home" occur, Dubois is about 80 miles from Riverton northwest, and is on the verge of the Wind River range.

Ah, thanx for clearing that up for me.  I found the Tetons and Dubois, and I imagine that Sage must not be that far from Jackson, Wyoming.
Now I guess I oughta look up where the heck Laramie is and see how big a town that is.  LOL.  I get curious about the strangest details sometimes, but I learn something avery day.  Not bad for a brain-damaged Vet.  :-)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 03:11:07 pm
Laramie is a small city of 25,000 in the southeast corner of Wyoming, where the bulk of the population of Wyoming resides.  It is on the edge of a weather zone edging on Tornado Alley, which includes Cheyenne, the lightning capital of the USA, which also has very frequent hailstorms.  You may have noticed Ennis is frequently surprised not only by the heat but the frequency of thunderstorms and even a tornado during the course of the Saga... the weather is different where he comes from.

Laramie is also known as the most liberal and progressive town in Wyoming, as it is home to the University of Wyoming, where Ellery attended college.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 12, 2006, 03:11:15 pm
NavyVet, here is some Laramie info:

Laramie is the county seat of Albany County in the U.S. state of Wyoming. According to the 2000 U.S. census, the city population was 27,204. Laramie, located in southeast Wyoming, on the Laramie River, is northwest of Cheyenne, on the junction of Interstate 80 and US 287. It was first settled in 1868 with the coming of the Union Pacific Railroad, which crosses the Laramie River at Laramie. It is home to the University of Wyoming, Wyoming Technical Institute, and a branch of Laramie County Community College. Laramie Regional Airport serves Laramie. The ruins of Fort Sanders, an Army fort predating Laramie, lie just south of the city along route 287. Laramie is known as the Gem City of the Plains.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 12, 2006, 03:27:42 pm
Anyone want to take a field trip to Laramie?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 12, 2006, 03:45:59 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 12, 2006, 03:27:42 pm
Anyone want to take a field trip to Laramie?

Would love to!  Not sure when though ..  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 03:59:52 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 12, 2006, 03:27:42 pm
Anyone want to take a field trip to Laramie?

Sure.  It's only a 20 hour drive from Ohio.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 12, 2006, 04:01:43 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 12, 2006, 03:27:42 pm
Anyone want to take a field trip to Laramie?

only if i get to meet Ennis and Ellery, and Dupree, and Wes and Edna, and ..... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on September 12, 2006, 04:11:13 pm
Hi everyone. I'm a big fan of all things BBM and have come to love louise's lovely Ennis and Ellery too. She has encouraged me to join you all in the chatfest. As promised here is Richard Armitage. I am crap with tech stuff so this may not work!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/114.jpg
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 12, 2006, 04:45:06 pm
Welcome Kate, glad to have you here, joining us in the happy family that is Bettermost...and the wildness of the Ennis & Ellery thread.

Enjoy...!

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 04:50:24 pm
Quote from: katecaton on September 12, 2006, 04:11:13 pm
Hi everyone. I'm a big fan of all things BBM and have come to love louise's lovely Ennis and Ellery too. She has encouraged me to join you all in the chatfest. As promised here is Richard Armitage. I am crap with tech stuff so this may not work!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/114.jpg

Just to clarify... this is Kate's personal Ellery.

I do love his nose.  Now if we could get a few better views of his face... and of course we have to give him Ellery-length hair... etc. etc.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 12, 2006, 05:06:35 pm
Quote from: katecaton on September 12, 2006, 04:11:13 pm
Hi everyone. I'm a big fan of all things BBM and have come to love louise's lovely Ennis and Ellery too. She has encouraged me to join you all in the chatfest. As promised here is Richard Armitage. I am crap with tech stuff so this may not work!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/114.jpg

Hey Kate .. Welcome ..  :)

Here is the pic of Richard Armitage you posted:

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/114.jpg)


Here are some more I found: :)
He is hot, but Hugh has already stolen my heart!


(http://www.richard-armitage.com/images/timeout.JPG)

(http://www.richard-armitage.com/images/frontpagerichard.jpg)


That last pic reminds me of .. yum.. ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/a19d4e9c.jpg)

..and ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/1aa1bfd7.jpg)

..and ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/40b03fa2.jpg)


Ok..I am getting carried away .. and little warm .. 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 12, 2006, 05:12:51 pm
there is, except for the fullness in his face, a certain resemblance between him and Hugh.

But Hugh has captured my heart... he wasn't even my first choice as Ellery until Dee swept in and made Hugh the "fait accompli" Ellery!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 12, 2006, 06:23:03 pm
Yes, Hugh is Ellery for me, the one and only....


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 12, 2006, 06:52:26 pm
What the heck is Heath supposed to be doing in that pic?

And Ennis was right!  He's got narly, ugly-ass feet there!  LOL!

(I'm just so NOT a foot person.)  :-)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 12, 2006, 06:54:56 pm
The image of Heath and Hugh as Ennis & Ellery has ingrained in my mind, they look really good together.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 12, 2006, 07:13:43 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 11:17:30 am
Maigcmountain, I used some of your excellent "emotional correctness" essay in a LJ post about post-9/11 grief.  Hope you don't mind.

You can view the post here:

http://madlori.livejournal.com/513786.html

Madlori be my guest. I tracked over to your site and read the responses. I hadn't twigged about the relevance to post 9/11. It could be that some people are channeling other generalised or specific feelings of loss into this day. It does illustrate though the range of responses to a traumatic event.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 12, 2006, 08:06:47 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 12, 2006, 06:52:26 pm
What the heck is Heath supposed to be doing in that pic?

And Ennis was right!  He's got narly, ugly-ass feet there!  LOL!


I beg to differ differ .. 
I love his long toes .. :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 12, 2006, 09:22:24 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 12, 2006, 08:06:47 pm
I beg to differ differ .. 
I love his long toes .. :P

I think his feet are fine.  I've seem some guys with fugly feet, and his seem pretty normal.  His toes are all nice and even, none of them stick out weirdly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 12, 2006, 09:44:24 pm
The human foot is a masterpiece of engineering and a work of art.

Leonardo da Vinci

Who is going to argue with this dude?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on September 12, 2006, 10:11:05 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on September 12, 2006, 09:44:24 pm
The human foot is a masterpiece of engineering and a work of art.

Leonardo da Vinci

Who is going to argue with this dude?

Not me, that's for sure! And that would be true even if Leonardo wasn't one of history's supreme geniuses.

 ;D
Sole man Scott
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 12, 2006, 11:06:11 pm
I like Heath's long toes... they make me think of long fingers which I also love, as well as other things that could be long... hmmm, we'll pretend I didn't say that because now I'm blushing :)

three chapters today! I was so excited when I was finally able to sit down tonight and read them! I feel like I've been on an emotional roller coaster with this story the past few days and after ch. 33 I need to go have a good cry...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 13, 2006, 12:38:46 am
I thought I should just say quickly that I post under the screenname "minchout" on LJ, just for those who didn't know  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 13, 2006, 05:31:23 am
Yes minchout your the one with the cool Marc Bolan avatar on LJ. Very nice. He was great he was. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 05:38:22 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 12, 2006, 06:23:03 pm
Yes, Hugh is Ellery for me, the one and only....


Leslie
For me too.....*sigh*

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 05:44:19 am
Quote from: louisev on September 12, 2006, 06:49:17 am
The whole truth has not come out yet.

However, here is what we know from Chapter 35 of "Looking for Answers"

Then he read the report.  It did not contain photographs, which made it still incomplete, but nonetheless there were toxicology reports.  No sign of sexual activity, no drugs in his system, no signs of a struggle, no bruises.  He read quickly, scanning for the thing he needed so badly to know.  Massive injury to the back of the skull, caused by large blunt object.  A wrench, a hammer... something.  Not a facial, jaw, or neck injury.

Zucchini11 called it, and gets the "false confession" award.  Now I would have thought you guys would be on the alert since the false confession of John Mark Karr on the JonBenet Ramsey case.

Too bad those readers who decided to stop reading didn't wait for the rest of the story.
You got me too Louise!!
I have such a lousy memory   :D
Yep! Too bad indeed  >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 05:48:34 am
Well, it has begun to happen... the Lori Trickle Down Fan Effect... I have gotten LJ and email notices from several people who, taking her recommendation, have seized on the Laramie Saga like hungry dogs on fresh meat, and a couple of them have swallowed it whole, reading night and day...!  I had expected there might be an actual Lori effect, but to see it in action is really quite amazing.  New fans have begun to surface, and lurkers who may have been there all along are just catching up.

I also had a wonderful chat with one of our moderators here, Lynne, who just added herself to the E&E fan list, who has some contacts in the publishing industry and recently ordered my original novel "The Erotic Etudes" from Amazon.  "The Erotic Etudes" can be found with several of my original novels on my website: www.zebratta.com, and can also be ordered from there for those with a Paypal account.  This book contains what I have held to be my best-written sex scene of all, and is about the youthful love affairs of the bisexual composer, Robert Schumann.  I published it in October 2005.  for those who are wondering what to do while I am busy between writing chapters, you may be interested to read some of my original works, the most accessible of which, in my opinion, is "The Erotic Etudes."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 05:51:32 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 12, 2006, 12:32:17 am
Before I turn in for the night, one more pic ..
I am keeping the promise I made on Louise's LJ, Chapter 28: Lightning Strikes Twice .. ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/5e4d275c.jpg)
Oh Lucise!!!
You did it AGAIN! This is SO lovely.....
Aw, the R.I.P. one on Louise's LJ was heartbreakingly beautiful. Sure did make me cry... :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 05:55:03 am
Quote from: louisev on September 13, 2006, 05:48:34 am
Well, it has begun to happen... the Lori Trickle Down Fan Effect... I have gotten LJ and email notices from several people who, taking her recommendation, have seized on the Laramie Saga like hungry dogs on fresh meat, and a couple of them have swallowed it whole, reading night and day...!  I had expected there might be an actual Lori effect, but to see it in action is really quite amazing.  New fans have begun to surface, and lurkers who may have been there all along are just catching up.

I also had a wonderful chat with one of our moderators here, Lynne, who just added herself to the E&E fan list, who has some contacts in the publishing industry and recently ordered my original novel "The Erotic Etudes" from Amazon.  "The Erotic Etudes" can be found with several of my original novels on my website: www.zebratta.com, and can also be ordered from there for those with a Paypal account.  This book contains what I have held to be my best-written sex scene of all, and is about the youthful love affairs of the bisexual composer, Robert Schumann.  I published it in October 2005.  for those who are wondering what to do while I am busy between writing chapters, you may be interested to read some of my original works, the most accessible of which, in my opinion, is "The Erotic Etudes."
Wonderful news Louise!!!
And I've been meaning to order The Erotic Etudes for like forever...... ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 13, 2006, 06:20:36 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 05:55:03 am
Wonderful news Louise!!!
And I've been meaning to order The Erotic Etudes for like forever...... ::)

I am also going to order "The Erotic Etudes", that's something I could do in support of Louise's writing career after she gives us the LS.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 06:41:25 am
aw shucks...

*shyly pretends I didn't shamelessly advertise!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on September 13, 2006, 09:02:05 am

SPOILER?


After wondering for many months about the circumstances surrounding Jack's death, reading Louise's description has relieved my distress and anxiety.  It has given me closure.  I hope it does the same for Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 09:04:52 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/111908.html  "Chapter 35:  In Your Arms"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 13, 2006, 09:08:36 am
I agree.

I know Ellery is debating with himself what exactly he should tell Ennis, but I don't think that there is anything that he needs to conceal.

I know any details are going to hurt (like hell, and Ellery doesn't ahve to be too graphic), but at least Ennis will know that Jack didn't have 'relations' with Worrell, and that he was killed just because Worrell was nuts. It has to be better than what he believes at the moment, that Jack was getting it on with this guy. It will also lift the spectre of the threat of AIDS too.

Breathlessly awaiting the next gripping installment.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 09:18:06 am
Quote from: scudder on September 13, 2006, 09:02:05 am
SPOILER?


After wondering for many months about the circumstances surrounding Jack's death, reading Louise's description has relieved my distress and anxiety.  It has given me closure.  I hope it does the same for Ennis.

This is really very gratifying to hear, particularly after all of the comments about "disrespecting Jack" I have read over the past ten days or so.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 13, 2006, 10:30:23 am
Quote from: souxi on September 13, 2006, 05:31:23 am
Yes minchout your the one with the cool Marc Bolan avatar on LJ. Very nice. He was great he was. 8) 8) 8)

Ah yes, Marc Bolan, the sexiest man there was... next to Bowie of course (and Jake Gyllenhaal...)

Glad to see another T Rex fan!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 13, 2006, 10:52:19 am
Okay, I have kind of a new topic.  This may have been covered in the 200+ pages of this thread, but I've been reading since abot page 220 and haven't seen it mentioned.

The other day in chat we were talking about this, I thought it'd be fun to bring it up here.

What would you want to happen if Jack were to turn up not dead?

Now, we can be confident that this isn't going to happen.  But I think it's interesting to contemplate.  Would you want Ennis to go back to Jack, or stay with Ellery?  As you all know I adore J/E (as I think we all do) but in the context of this story I'm not sure I'd want it.  I've found myself imagining scenarios in my head (watch out, Louise, or I'm going to end up writing fanfic of your fanfic).

Louise said in chat that if Jack showed up not dead, she thinks Ellery would break up with Ennis and send him back to Jack.  I think that's very realistic.  But I can also imagine Ennis going to Jack and spending, say, one night with him...and they both wake up knowing that it's not going to happen.  So Ennis goes back to Ellery, not because he loves Ellery more or because he doesn't love Jack anymore, but because Ennis is a different man now.  He's not the man that loved Jack anymore.  He's changed so much, and Ellery was part of that change, and now he can't go back.

Again, this ain't gonna happen.  But I enjoy pondering these kinds of permutations.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on September 13, 2006, 11:05:24 am
OOO Lori, good question.  What a can o worms to open up.

My thoughts,  It would all depend on the variables. Like where was Jack all this time? Is he still considered legally married to Lureen?  ( she and Bobby would have first dibs at kicking his butt if he were say on a two year cruise with Randall).

I think that would be how Ennis would be thinking.  Why did you let me go thru all that pain for the last few years?  Does Jack want Ennis back after all this time? 

I think that Ellery would really be asking the questions, and so would Ennis's kids at this point.  They are starting to warm up to Ellery, and he them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 13, 2006, 11:09:58 am
Madlori, a thought similar to that went through my mind the other day. Probably because we’ve been reaching closure on what really happened to Jack.

Now we know that Louise is a canon writer so Jack isn’t about to pop up. In some of the wackier fan fics out there I wouldn’t be at all surprised (amoungst other scary developments) – but it won’t happen here.

Mmmmm…. First I think that Ennis would take time out away from them both to think. Then I think that he would have to go back to Jack. He’s learnt now that he can live and love a man openly, and he would have to give that a go with Jack. He would need to know if it was possible. However, the question is would he do this partly out a sense of obligation – after all he is fairly committed to Ellery now?

I think that Ellery would step back and leave Ennis to come to his own conclusions, whilst letting him know that he was there for him.

Oooo… it’s a toughie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 13, 2006, 11:29:01 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 13, 2006, 10:52:19 am
Okay, I have kind of a new topic.  This may have been covered in the 200+ pages of this thread, but I've been reading since abot page 220 and haven't seen it mentioned.

The other day in chat we were talking about this, I thought it'd be fun to bring it up here.

What would you want to happen if Jack were to turn up not dead?

Now, we can be confident that this isn't going to happen.  But I think it's interesting to contemplate.  Would you want Ennis to go back to Jack, or stay with Ellery?  As you all know I adore J/E (as I think we all do) but in the context of this story I'm not sure I'd want it.  I've found myself imagining scenarios in my head (watch out, Louise, or I'm going to end up writing fanfic of your fanfic).

Louise said in chat that if Jack showed up not dead, she thinks Ellery would break up with Ennis and send him back to Jack.  I think that's very realistic.  But I can also imagine Ennis going to Jack and spending, say, one night with him...and they both wake up knowing that it's not going to happen.  So Ennis goes back to Ellery, not because he loves Ellery more or because he doesn't love Jack anymore, but because Ennis is a different man now.  He's not the man that loved Jack anymore.  He's changed so much, and Ellery was part of that change, and now he can't go back.

Again, this ain't gonna happen.  But I enjoy pondering these kinds of permutations.

Hey Lori,

I don't even know you and from what I read from your posts sometimes I wonder if you read my mind! Geez, I've been wondering this too, and came to the same conclusions you have. I too pictured Ennis going back to Ellery, because he is no longer the man Jack fell in love with, even though he will always love Jack. And also, just because Jack shows up unexpected, the love Ennis feels for Ellery isn't going to disappear. It doesn't work that way. He will be happy and excited to be with Jack, and he might even try to have a relationship with him. But in the long run Ennis will be missing Ellery and his life with him, because he is used to that.

There is something Jake Gyllenhaal said about Ennis and Jack's relationship that made me wonder if Ennis and Jack would actually work as couple if they had the chance to have a life together. Here it is:

Quote
Yeah. I think there's a part of him that wants to progress and wants to change and wants things to move forward, and is constantly kind of pushing Ennis to come out of his shell. But it's that dance between the two of them that I think makes the two of them fall in love. If Ennis were to completely come out of his shell, would the two of them still be in the relationship that they're in throughout the film? I don't know. But yeah, that is a big part...It was a struggle to keep that up while you're feeling lonely.
http://movies.radiofree.com/interviews/brokebac_jake_gyllenhaal.shtml (http://movies.radiofree.com/interviews/brokebac_jake_gyllenhaal.shtml)

One thing I have learned from my experiences in the love department is that you need more than love to make a relationship work. We will never know if they would've made it as a couple, but it's something no one has suggested in the endless discussion about their relationship. Would it had worked? I wonder. It's hard enough to keep a long distance relationship going, but it is even harder to make it work under the same roof. I don't know, but this is something I have always wondered.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 13, 2006, 11:31:58 am
that's a really hard question...

maybe it's just because I've been feeling a little worried about Ellery lately and the way he seems to never be able to do anything good for himself, but I agree that I think he would just step back and let Ennis go back to Jack. Then with the loss of the only real love he's ever had in his life, I'm not so sure he would be able to handle that and things would not turn out so well for him... but there's no question in my mind that that's what he'd do.

As for Ennis, I have no clue, knowing him though I imagine he'd feel really guilty for being with another man while Jack was still out there somewhere. Ok, I haven't said anything intelligent here, lol, I'm going to have to think abou this some more...

Lori if you wrote a fan fic of Louise's fan fic  on this topic, I think i just might read it, LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 13, 2006, 11:36:29 am
Ennis feeling for Jack run deep---but unless Jack was in a coma and just regained his life back, and his emotions would be back where they left off----I am thinking that all the changes that occured between Jack's leaving and them finding each other again---would make them more friends  than lovers in the present.   It is possible that when Jack sees what Ennis has now with Ellery, he won't really want to interfere, and will go on without Ennis, because Jack always had that capacity. It is a hard question, and would be harder to see actually having to be worked through. 

Ennis leaving Ellery who loves him so much to go back to Jack, would make him just as guilty as his ending up in a divorce from Alma because he loved Jack---too much baggage, he will end up broken.
And then there is the anger factor---as in WHERE, WHAT, WHY that will be a major thing to be worked through too.

I feel he probably would have to try to be with Jack IF Jack hadn't changed too much in the time lost--maybe jack is as much a different person as Ennis is right now, and Jack doesn't want to go back there?  IF Jack moved on too---it would easy for Ennis to stay with Ellery.
But Jack has first dibbs--and the big problem I see is IF Ennis goes back to Jack, and it doesn't work out in the day to day---He'll never get the same back with Ellery either, so could he leave what he knows he has now to try to see what he might have, and if he does, he may really lose all the way around.   Too tough to think about in real time.    Lots of hurt either way.

One thing I would really be up in the air about---Would Ellery just let Ennis go because he loves him and knows how he feels about Jack? OR would he fight hard to get Ennis to stay with what they have, and try to convince Ennis he is better off staying with him than leaving? After all, Ellery has never been in love like this before either--and has never had a relationship worth fighting for before-Ennis is his Jack--and somehow I don't see him just letting Ennis leave without major repercussions with in Ellery.  That much hurt and loss after everything else he has lost---might really end Ellery, who isn't nearly as hard emotionally as he likes to pretend.   This question gives me the willies.  YEEWWW, don't see anything but misery in it.


Personally---I think he should stay with Ellery.
I loved him with Jack, but with the changes--I think Ennis is better off where he is right now than trying to go back.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 13, 2006, 11:42:03 am
Lori,

You know what your question reminds me of? The movie Castaway. And I think the scenario in that would be what happens, which is what you suggested: Ennis would still love Jack but would choose, in the end, to be with Ellery. He has grown and changed.

Sad, because I also like the idea of Jack and Ennis being together, but I don't think it would happen that way. I am also not sure I believe in the concept of "one true pairing" either in real life or fiction.

Leslie
MW
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 13, 2006, 11:59:22 am
What if Jack is not dead?  I tend to agree with those who think Ellery will leave Ennis and let him get back with Jack.  But seeing as he is so vulnerable in the love dept, I'm afraid his future will be very bleak - will he commit suicide?  There's the possibility because this will hurt much more than his relation with Beagle.  But the reason behind Jack's disappearance for all those years will also play an important role in Ennis's decision.  It'll be such a terrible situation for them I can't even think how will they handle it.  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 11:59:56 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 13, 2006, 11:42:03 am
Lori,

You know what your question reminds me of? The movie Castaway. And I think the scenario in that would be what happens, which is what you suggested: Ennis would still love Jack but would choose, in the end, to be with Ellery. He has grown and changed.

Sad, because I also like the idea of Jack and Ennis being together, but I don't think it would happen that way. I am also not sure I believe in the concept of "one true pairing" either in real life or fiction.

Leslie
MW
Oh yeah, I agree Leslie about Castaway. That reunion was so sad.
I can't imagine how tough this would be on Ennis, well on all three of them, but especially Ennis. Right now I honestly don't know who he'd choose for, I mean it is Jack we're talking about.....and I truly don't know who I'd want Ennis to be with. I love both Ellery and Jack soo much....Like Ranchgal said, I don't see anything but misery in it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 13, 2006, 12:00:39 pm
Quote from: yb on September 13, 2006, 11:59:22 am
What if Jack is not dead?  I tend to agree with those who think Ellery will leave Ennis and let him get back with Jack.  But seeing as he is so vulnerable in the love dept, I'm afraid his future will be very bleak - will he commit suicide?  There's the possibility because this will hurt much more than his relation with Beagle.  But the reason behind Jack's disappearance for all those years will also play an important role in Ennis's decision.  It'll be such a terrible situation for them I can't even think how will they handle it.  :(

exactly my thoughts...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 13, 2006, 12:03:58 pm
Chiming in with my 2 cents on this discussion:

If Jack came back, I  think Ellery would feel like he is keeping Ennis from being with his first love, and he would opt to end the relationship with Ennis so that he could go be with Jack.  That said, I think Ennis' emotions would be in turmoil for a while and he would need some time to think and clear his head.  Like others have mentioned, Ennis has had a lot of positive changes over the past coupla months with Ellery and Jack must've changed too over the period he was gone.  That to me, does not mean that they would've lost the 'chemistry' they had before.  People grow and change in relationships and the person you fall in love with will not remain exactly the same forever, there will be some changes. 

That said, if Ennis spends time with Jack and realises he still misses him so much and would want to be with him, then he is indeed in a pickle because he loves Ellery as well .. if after spending some time with Jack, Ennis realises he loves Jack, but his place is with Ellery, that would also be a difficult situation to handle. :)  This is a toughie .. it raises another question in my mind:

Can you be in love with more than one person at the same time? :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 13, 2006, 12:15:14 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 13, 2006, 12:03:58 pm
y mind:

Can you be in love with more than one person at the same time? :)


I think you can carrry more than one person in your heart yes, and love more than one, esp in the context of past.   You don't have to forget, and you don't have stop loving/caring.(I watched The Bridges of Madison County last night!  ;))
But you can't physically live with more than one without more problems that it is worth.
One always has to come out as being in the HERE and NOW---and everyone else would have to remain only in your heart.    Otherwise you get into problems that are too scarey to think about.
It ends up being cheating or adultery, and neither of those would ever be options for me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 12:38:21 pm
oh that is a devilish question.

I stand by my original belief, that Ellery would pre-empt Ennis's own choice by breaking it off with him.  However, I doubt that would solve anything for Ennis, Ellery, OR Jack, and would pretty much be a gesture of useless self-sacrifice on Ellery's part.  Good thing we're certain that couldn't happen in this reality, huh?

HUH?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 13, 2006, 12:47:32 pm
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Good thing we're certain that couldn't happen in this reality, huh?

HUH?
[

Oh, no, Louise.  You can't do that to us.  Don't give us any doubt or stress.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 13, 2006, 12:48:44 pm
Slightly derailing from the discussion .. okay, maybe completely derailing from the discussion ..  :P

How is it that Ennis was not 'tempted' much much sooner?
I mean look at him ... basically sex on legs! (Wait..that is also a good description for Ellery!  8) )


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/af9bd46c.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/76c3e69a.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/6aba6ef2.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 12:52:36 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 13, 2006, 12:47:32 pm
[[

Oh, no, Louise.  You can't do that to us.  Don't give us any doubt or stress.

Lori,

I thought that was an unambiguous comment.  Let me put it this way:  "Deus ex machina" plot twists give me headaches.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 13, 2006, 12:53:52 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 13, 2006, 12:48:44 pm
Slightly derailing from the discussion .. okay, maybe completely derailing from the discussion ..  :P

How is it that Ennis was not 'tempted' much much sooner?
I mean look at him ... basically sex on legs! (Wait..that is also a good description for Ellery!  8) )


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/af9bd46c.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/76c3e69a.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/6aba6ef2.jpg)



Ennis sure knows how to pick his men, doesn't he?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 12:59:16 pm
Lucise! I love you!  :)

Such sweet, gorgeous pics of Jack....

These 3 guys, Ennis, Ellery and Jack....just, WOW!  How would Ennis be able to choose?? Both of them so lovely and sweet...

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 01:00:54 pm
speaking of plot twists...


*muah*

I am typity type typing the next chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 13, 2006, 01:02:29 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 12:59:16 pm
Lucise! I love you!  :)

Such sweet, gorgeous pics of Jack....

These 3 guys, Ennis, Ellery and Jack....just, WOW!  How would Ennis be able to choose?? Both of them so lovely and sweet...

 :-*


Exactly. Which brings me back to "that" dream I had. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 13, 2006, 01:15:55 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 13, 2006, 01:02:29 pm

Exactly. Which brings me back to "that" dream I had. ;) ;) ;) ;)

Do tell!!  :D


Btw .. I love you too BigH!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 13, 2006, 01:38:55 pm
Quote
I mean look at him ... basically sex on legs! (Wait..that is also a good description for Ellery!   )


You've got that right!

Excuse me while I drool over those pictures for a bit... ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 01:47:07 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/112272.html  "Chapter 36:  Unspoken"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 13, 2006, 01:49:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 13, 2006, 01:47:07 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/112272.html  "Chapter 35:  Unspoken"

Woohoo..  :)
But should that be chapter 36 Louise?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on September 13, 2006, 01:53:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 13, 2006, 12:52:36 pm
"Deus ex machina" plot twists give me headaches.

Not to mention being the mark of either amateurish writing or an author who's painted him/herself into a corner.

IMO how Ennis would react to Jack returning would depend on a couple of things, especially -

1) Why has he been gone? If it's something not under his control, that would be one thing but if it's just a deliberate disappearing act that serves as an ultimatum, well....

2) What Jack would have in mind in terms of living arrangements. After his history with Ellery I can't see Ennis going back to just seeing Jack in a wilderness ghetto once or twice a year.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 01:59:15 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 13, 2006, 01:49:32 pm
Woohoo..  :)
But should that be chapter 36 Louise?

er YES!


http://louisev.livejournal.com/112272.html "Chapter 35:  In Your Arms"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/112272.html  "Chapter 36:  Unspoken"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on September 13, 2006, 02:02:21 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 12, 2006, 06:49:17 am
Zucchini11 called it, and gets the "false confession" award.  Now I would have thought you guys would be on the alert since the false confession of John Mark Karr on the JonBenet Ramsey case.

I wasn't on the alert either; but afterward thought about Ted Bundy. He pulled his last con with a smarmy "I was a victim of pornography" interview he had with James Dobson, I seem to remember. Dobson cobbled it up like so many Cheese Nips because it was what he wanted to hear.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 02:09:04 pm
 
cheese nips!

Now there's something I havent put in the Saga yet.  I used to have those every day with my lunch in elementary school.  Hmmmm....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 13, 2006, 02:34:45 pm
Spoiler ??



Ok..Chapter 36 was .. :o..hawt... ;)


Looks like Ennis has been "rolling his own" again .. LOL..
This time, he was watching :

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/549b4830.jpg)


.. and drooling over sexy Monty Clift ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/fe7212ba.gif)


Can't say I blame him there!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 13, 2006, 02:37:37 pm
Y'all...I've noticed that I've been reading and writing so much m/m type fic that reading or writing anything about hetero relationships feels just...wrong.

Oh noes!  TEH GAY has me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 02:41:40 pm
There's such a thing as "TEH Gay"?  Do you suppose I caught it?

I wrote a novel at the beginning of this year that is strictly hetero, I wonder if it will feel wrong if I go back and reread it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 13, 2006, 02:57:52 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 13, 2006, 02:34:45 pm
Spoiler ??



Ok..Chapter 36 was .. :o..hawt... ;)


Looks like Ennis has been "rolling his own" again .. LOL..



.. and drooling over sexy Monty Clift ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/fe7212ba.gif)


Can't say I blame him there!  ;)


you know he was!  That boy just can't do without some gettin fancy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 13, 2006, 03:18:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 13, 2006, 12:38:21 pm
oh that is a devilish question.

I stand by my original belief, that Ellery would pre-empt Ennis's own choice by breaking it off with him.  However, I doubt that would solve anything for Ennis, Ellery, OR Jack, and would pretty much be a gesture of useless self-sacrifice on Ellery's part.  Good thing we're certain that couldn't happen in this reality, huh?

HUH?

Yes, louise, can't happen in reality.  I have to admit, I wasn't sure I really cared for the question in the first place (like I almost wished Lori hadn't asked).  However, it has been really fascinating reading everyone's responses.  I hadn't even bothered to wonder about what Jack would have been doing for two years... my emotions went straight to "flip-out/can't possibly comprehend the situation" mode.  I don't have any answers, except to say I agree, Ellery doing the polite step out of the way thing would indeed be useless self sacrifice and I would want to slap him upside the head for it.  And, I think it would piss Ennis off, Ellery in a sense not even giving him the opportunity to choose.

Matters of the heart - never easy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 13, 2006, 03:53:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 13, 2006, 12:38:21 pm
oh that is a devilish question.

I stand by my original belief, that Ellery would pre-empt Ennis's own choice by breaking it off with him.  However, I doubt that would solve anything for Ennis, Ellery, OR Jack, and would pretty much be a gesture of useless self-sacrifice on Ellery's part.  Good thing we're certain that couldn't happen in this reality, huh?

HUH?

yeah, good thing Louise

Quote from: notBastet on September 13, 2006, 03:18:47 pm
Yes, louise, can't happen in reality.  I have to admit, I wasn't sure I really cared for the question in the first place (like I almost wished Lori hadn't asked).  However, it has been really fascinating reading everyone's responses.  I hadn't even bothered to wonder about what Jack would have been doing for two years... my emotions went straight to "flip-out/can't possibly comprehend the situation" mode.  I don't have any answers, except to say I agree, Ellery doing the polite step out of the way thing would indeed be useless self sacrifice and I would want to slap him upside the head for it.  And, I think it would piss Ennis off, Ellery in a sense not even giving him the opportunity to choose.

Matters of the heart - never easy.

i agree entirely


and as i'm always reading way too fast, i'll go and read chapter 36 again  ;D ::) :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 03:53:28 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 13, 2006, 01:02:29 pm

Exactly. Which brings me back to "that" dream I had. ;) ;) ;) ;)
;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
BAD naughty souxi!! LOL!  :D
Pleeeease let's not go down that road again......  :P  ;)

 :-*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 03:54:37 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 13, 2006, 03:18:47 pm

Matters of the heart - never easy.
Nope *deep sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 13, 2006, 04:07:39 pm
Thought I better make sure everyone saw the new pics of Heath that were posted today at BBS:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/cactusjuice/heath_toronto06_19.jpg)

[(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/cactusjuice/10248558sassym98200693038PM.jpg)

These were taken just last week at the Toronto Film Festival.  Yay, he shaved!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 04:09:09 pm
I LOVE these of Heath.

Thanks for posting them here Lori  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 13, 2006, 04:11:31 pm
Lori and others who might be sort of new here,

Let me make sure you are aware of the Heath, Heath, Heath thread which has all sorts of Heath goodness. Pictures, links to interveiws, etc. Just so you know....

But we can always take a little Heath goodness here too.  ;)

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 13, 2006, 04:43:17 pm
And the Gyllenhaalics can check out the Jake Jake Jake thread  as well ..  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on September 13, 2006, 05:35:57 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 13, 2006, 04:07:39 pm
[(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/cactusjuice/10248558sassym98200693038PM.jpg)
Oh, this is such a nice picture of our man! Sensitive and brooding...and I love the look of his hair here. Almost like you could reach out and touch it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 13, 2006, 07:23:29 pm
Castaway wasn't the only film with the theme of a person returning from the dead. In "Move Over Darling" starring Doris Day and James Garner, five years  after his wife  disappeared in the sea after a plane crash, her husband  has her declared legally dead, remarries and sets off to honeymoon with his new wife. The same morning, the first wife (Doris Day) arrives home after being rescued by the Navy from a desert island and follows the couple.

The husband is still in love with his first wife and is delighted to see her but at first can't break the news to the new wife.  Eventually he tells her  but then he learns that his first wife was stranded on an island alone all those years with a goodlooking man and that they called each other "Adam" and "Eve"! Doris then has some explaining to do! In romantic comedies things always seem to work out in the end.

The fact that the idea of Jack reappearing in the E and E story results in such ambivalence on our part is testimony to how real the relationship between Ennis and Ellery is and how real are the changes in Ennis. Not so long ago we would all have been jumping for joy at the prospect. Now? Menage a trois anyone? The mind boggles.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 13, 2006, 08:26:38 pm
Hooo-weeeee!
I did it!  I'm all caught up!  I can't remember when I started this saga - must've been  a couple of weeks ago.
I know I haven't gotten anything else accomplished.
I'm so happy I found this marvelous story and I'm beyond obsessed - I hope it never ends.  The timing of my discovery couldn't be better, too, as my RL has been in a funk.  My other hobby (other than reading and writing fanfiction) is music.  I had been performing in 3 different bands/groups, but recently, old chronic dental issues have flared up again and I've had to QUIT playing sax for the second time in my life, kind of a bummer.  I'm going to learn the flute as a substitute.
So ... now that I have free time again, I better go practice, work on my novel, and numerous other things.  LOL.
And I eagerly await each new installment.  Louise, you're the best!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 13, 2006, 11:35:30 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on September 13, 2006, 07:23:29 pm
Castaway wasn't the only film with the theme of a person returning from the dead. In "Move Over Darling" starring Doris Day and James Garner, five years  after his wife  disappeared in the sea after a plane crash, her husband  has her declared legally dead, remarries and sets off to honeymoon with his new wife. The same morning, the first wife (Doris Day) arrives home after being rescued by the Navy from a desert island and follows the couple.

That sounds exactly like the plot of "My Favorite Wife" starring Cary Grant.  Perhaps the Doris Day film is a remake.

But I seriously doubt if such a thing happened in the LS that it'd be romantic-comedy fodder.  More like Greek tragedy, complete with wailing and rending of garments.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 14, 2006, 01:51:51 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 13, 2006, 03:53:28 pm
;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
BAD naughty souxi!! LOL!  :D
Pleeeease let's not go down that road again......  :P  ;)

 :-*




Sowwwwwwwwwwyyyyyyyyyyyy. ;) ;) Anyway, I blame Louise entirely for "those" dreams, it,s ALL her fault. If she didnt produce such HOT writing I,d NEVER sit here having carnal thoughts, not to mention dreams. tsk tsk. ;) ;) ;) I had to turn my  pooter off last night because we had a HUGE thunderstorm so I had to wait till this morning, it,s 6.50 am now, before I could read the getting fancy chapter. Well worth it though. Do you think Ellery brought any more "toys" with him then?  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 14, 2006, 02:37:55 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 13, 2006, 11:35:30 pm
That sounds exactly like the plot of "My Favorite Wife" starring Cary Grant.  Perhaps the Doris Day film is a remake.

But I seriously doubt if such a thing happened in the LS that it'd be romantic-comedy fodder.  More like Greek tragedy, complete with wailing and rending of garments.

Agreed. Gouging out of eyes, banishment into the wilderness, the whole box and dice.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 14, 2006, 03:25:46 am
Quote from: souxi on September 14, 2006, 01:51:51 am

Sowwwwwwwwwwyyyyyyyyyyyy. ;) ;) Anyway, I blame Louise entirely for "those" dreams, it,s ALL her fault. If she didnt produce such HOT writing I,d NEVER sit here having carnal thoughts, not to mention dreams. tsk tsk. ;) ;) ;) I had to turn my  pooter off last night because we had a HUGE thunderstorm so I had to wait till this morning, it,s 6.50 am now, before I could read the getting fancy chapter. Well worth it though. Do you think Ellery brought any more "toys" with him then?  ;) ;)
Hehehe, I know EXACTLY which one you mean....LOL!  ;D   I hope so!  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 14, 2006, 04:33:21 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 14, 2006, 03:25:46 am
Hehehe, I know EXACTLY which one you mean....LOL!  ;D   I hope so!  :P  ;D

Hahahahaha yes thats the one LOL. ;D I think it,s about time he used that on Ennis dont you think? ;) ;) You do realise that your encouraging me too dont you? tsk tsk  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 05:27:03 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 13, 2006, 08:26:38 pm

So ... now that I have free time again, I better go practice, work on my novel, and numerous other things.  LOL.
And I eagerly await each new installment.  Louise, you're the best!


welcome to the Bettermost "up to date" club, maybe we ought to give it a name: the Nail Biters.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 14, 2006, 09:47:01 am
Quote
welcome to the Bettermost "up to date" club, maybe we ought to give it a name: the Nail Biters.

How about the Compulsive Refreshers?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 09:55:47 am
*groan*...

Here I am, 400 words into chapter 37, when suddenly, OUT OF NOWHERE, people start appearing at my door demanding that I fix errors in the new system.  IMAGINE THE GALL!

And I ended up having to work all the rest of the day!  One error down, two to go.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 14, 2006, 10:50:47 am
Quote from: louisev on September 14, 2006, 09:55:47 am
*groan*...

Here I am, 400 words into chapter 37, when suddenly, OUT OF NOWHERE, people start appearing at my door demanding that I fix errors in the new system.  IMAGINE THE GALL!

And I ended up having to work all the rest of the day!  One error down, two to go.

Shit Louise, real life getting in the middle of your writing the Laramie Saga! This is outrageous!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 01:34:56 pm
at last, at last. you guys had to wait a whole 20 hours or something.

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/112590.html  "Chapter 37:  The Last Heartbreak"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 14, 2006, 02:10:37 pm
Spoiler: RE: Chapter 37

Poor Ennis.    The reality of the last day of Jacks life.   But maybe this is the closure he needs now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 14, 2006, 02:38:32 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on September 14, 2006, 02:10:37 pm
Spoiler: RE: Chapter 37

Poor Ennis.    The reality of the last day of Jacks life.   But maybe this is the closure he needs now.

It'll hurt for a while, but at least now he knows the truth .. after months of agony and doubt since Jack's death, now he knows.  Closure at last for Ennis! .. and for Ellery too, because if Ennis is happy, Ellery is happy ..  :) .. and if Ellery and Ennis are happy and Jack is resting in peace, I am a happy camper!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 14, 2006, 03:15:33 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on September 14, 2006, 02:10:37 pm
Spoiler: RE: Chapter 37

Poor Ennis.    The reality of the last day of Jacks life.   But maybe this is the closure he needs now.

Yes, the reality of the last day of Jack Twists life. That had to be one of the saddest chapters I,ve read throughout this saga. I know Ennis finally has the answers he,s been desperate for and driving himself mad with grief for, but it,s still so sad. What a sensless killing. Poor Jack. :'(   :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 03:18:35 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/112722.html  "Chapter 38:  Light and Darkness"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 14, 2006, 03:45:35 pm
Thank you Louise. Been refreshing all day.

Your output is amazing - and it's all of the highest quality. How do you do it?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 03:53:12 pm
I keep Ellery tied to the bed and I spank him until he tells me what happens next.

He is of course, completely naked.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 14, 2006, 04:00:43 pm
lol..

Um..do you have some pictures of Ellery there Louise?  8)
It's for the gallery of course .. not for my sordid lil imagination..
for the gallery ..yes ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 04:03:17 pm
Those photos are MINE, Lucise.  MINE!

And did anyone notice we passed 30,000 views?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 14, 2006, 04:07:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 14, 2006, 03:53:12 pm
I keep Ellery tied to the bed and I spank him until he tells me what happens next.

He is of course, completely naked.

innocent hunh?  ;D

make sure you rub his back afterwards  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 14, 2006, 04:14:44 pm
Chapter 38 -  spoilers??





Ellery got me major freaked out with a pain in his

(http://iaks-www.ira.uka.de/home/haimerl/seminar/sternum.gif)

Ennis rushed him to the hospital, where Ellery saw Dr Branwell

(http://www.muschealth.com/bin/p/o/male_doc.jpg)

(who would look more like

(http://www.uniformcorner.com/images/landau/7594.jpg)

if I had my Paint Shop program here ..)   ;)

He ordered Ellery to drink some

(http://rawleigh.net/ThermoLiftShakes.gif)

.. to beef up and gain some weight.

Lord knows if Ellery beefed up and ended up looking like

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/791e6f12.jpg)

I would not complain one bit!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 04:21:43 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on September 14, 2006, 04:07:56 pm
innocent hunh?  ;D

make sure you rub his back afterwards  ;)

I AM Innocent.  Dammitall.

And for those of you wondering whether to stop refreshing tonight, I am typity typing chapter 39.  There is humor after confessions, heartbreak, sex and hospitals.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 14, 2006, 05:04:16 pm
M - Lovely picture story!

Louise - chapter 39 - yippee!  Today is a special day indeed.

Spoiler:






re: chap 38 -
I can just hear them 20 years from now:

Ennis smiles across the table at Ellery, "Hey, remember that time you got drunk, fell down, messed up your back, and I had to take you to the hospital and you were laid up for days?  And, hey, remember that other time when you dislocated a rib and thought you were gonna die?"

Ellery rolls his eyes and says, "Yeah Ennis, I remember... you'd never let me forget even if I wanted to..."
Meanwhile, the family gathered round the Thanksgiving table all laughs, having heard the stories of Ellery's 'illnesses' many times before...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 05:09:10 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/112957.html  "Chapter 39:  Autumn Storm"

warning:  PLOT TWIST.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 05:25:12 pm
 
By the way, for those of you with refresh fetishes:

I try (but sometimes am unable) to start a chapter while I am still at work, so the only time you are likely to see a new chapter is not until 1 or 2 p.m. EASTERN time in the day, and I usually do not update AFTER 6 EASTERN, since that is when I am heading off to bed.  I live and work in Europe, and have to do ye olde Day Job ya know!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 14, 2006, 05:42:39 pm
I'm getting scared, Louise.  You keep mentioning Ellery's inability to gain weight, now he's busting bones in strange mysterious ways...he doesn't have some odd disease, does he?  Because I rally think that would kill me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 14, 2006, 05:57:20 pm
I stand by my Deus ex machina comment, Lori.

Ellery does have a disease:  it's called stress.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 14, 2006, 07:47:47 pm
I swear... I just get more and more worried about Ellery with each chapter  :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 14, 2006, 08:27:32 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 14, 2006, 07:47:47 pm
I swear... I just get more and more worried about Ellery with each chapter  :-\

Actually, I don't. Yes he has stress and all but think about it...if this had happened back in March, who would have taken care of him? Here he had someone that he could say to, "Sweetheart, take me to the hospital" and that sweetheart did just that. And stayed with him, brought him home, and tucked him into bed. Ellery has experienced a huge life change, just like Ennis. But the two of them are also realizing they can rely on each other, ask each other for help...it is all so real and so great.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 14, 2006, 10:15:02 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 14, 2006, 08:27:32 pm
Actually, I don't. Yes he has stress and all but think about it...if this had happened back in March, who would have taken care of him? Here he had someone that he could say to, "Sweetheart, take me to the hospital" and that sweetheart did just that. And stayed with him, brought him home, and tucked him into bed. Ellery has experienced a huge life change, just like Ennis. But the two of them are also realizing they can rely on each other, ask each other for help...it is all so real and so great.

L

I agree... but I still worry about the way he holds things in and how much anxiety he has that is now manifesting itself in a physical way. I'm with you in that the one thing that keeps me from worrying is that he has Ennis and that he's experiencing this change with him, but I still think that he has a little ways to go.  He's still thinking (*SPOILER* ahead from ch. 37) that Ennis may leave him for delivering the message about Worrell... hmmm...

You're right though, it is all so real and great!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 14, 2006, 10:58:46 pm
You live and learn. I didn't know you could dislocate a rib from stress. :o :o With Ellery's weak back and his new propensity to dislocate his bones  Ennis may find his style somewhat cramped. Perhaps Ellery really is turning into a china doll. Getting fancy is getting chancy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 01:59:05 am
Quote from: notBastet on September 14, 2006, 05:04:16 pm
re: chap 38 -
I can just hear them 20 years from now:

Ennis smiles across the table at Ellery, "Hey, remember that time you got drunk, fell down, messed up your back, and I had to take you to the hospital and you were laid up for days?  And, hey, remember that other time when you dislocated a rib and thought you were gonna die?"

Ellery rolls his eyes and says, "Yeah Ennis, I remember... you'd never let me forget even if I wanted to..."
Meanwhile, the family gathered round the Thanksgiving table all laughs, having heard the stories of Ellery's 'illnesses' many times before...


i like this. it's how it should be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 03:13:31 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 01:59:05 am
i like this. it's how it should be.

I really like it too  :)

Thanks Kelly  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 03:15:25 am
Quote from: louisev on September 14, 2006, 03:53:12 pm
I keep Ellery tied to the bed and I spank him until he tells me what happens next.

He is of course, completely naked.
Ooooh Louise!!
I'm shocked, LOL!!
Can I join in?!?  ;D  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 03:18:48 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 14, 2006, 10:58:46 pm
You live and learn. I didn't know you could dislocate a rib from stress. :o :o With Ellery's weak back and his new propensity to dislocate his bones  Ennis may find his style somewhat cramped. Perhaps Ellery really is turning into a china doll. Getting fancy is getting chancy.
Great last line!  :D
Aww, I really feel sorry for Ellery.... :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 03:39:37 am
Thank you all for the comments on realism in the chapters... yes, Ellery is manifesting definite stress in his life.  He has always been "damned skinny" and his own doctor probably by now would not have mentioned it.  But yes - you can pop a rib out of your chest from stress!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 15, 2006, 04:11:25 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 03:15:25 am
Ooooh Louise!!
I'm shocked, LOL!!
Can I join in?!?  ;D  :P  ;D

Dont say things like that...you,ll start me off having "those" dreams again!! :o :o ;) ;)
And Louise you have taught me something I never knew, well apart from all the stuff about gay sex lol. I honestly never realised you could dislocate a rib from having stress. oooeeer, as I frequently say. :) Glad Ellery bought some of their toys back with him...we all know what happened the last time Ellery hurt himself dont we? ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 04:34:06 am
Quote from: souxi on September 15, 2006, 04:11:25 am
Dont say things like that...you,ll start me off having "those" dreams again!! :o :o ;) ;)
And Louise you have taught me something I never knew, well apart from all the stuff about gay sex lol. I honestly never realised you could dislocate a rib from having stress. oooeeer, as I frequently say. :) Glad Ellery bought some of their toys back with him...we all know what happened the last time Ellery hurt himself dont we? ;) ;) ;)
Hehehe souxi, so sorry! *big grin* LOL!
Well, I think they'll have to take it easy for a while, even with the toys! And yes, even with that one particular toy!  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 04:36:55 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 03:39:37 am
Thank you all for the comments on realism in the chapters...
You're welcome Louise  :)
I just can't thank you enough for The Laramie Saga!
 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 05:27:32 am
I hate to let you Europeans and light sleepers down, but these people expect me to WORK... for the second day in a row!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 05:30:03 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 05:27:32 am
I hate to let you Europeans and light sleepers down, but these people expect me to WORK... for the second day in a row!
Awww Louise, poor you! AND poor us.....  :(  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 05:35:11 am
well you see, right about now is where you discover chapter 39 and go squealing off in delight and pretend I didn't post it last night and that you didn't read it already.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 05:42:46 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 05:35:11 am
well you see, right about now is where you discover chapter 39 and go squealing off in delight and pretend I didn't post it last night and that you didn't read it already.
Hehehe, you have NO idea how many times I actually do that Louise!!!!!!!!  ;D  Really!! It's pathetic  :D :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 06:45:57 am
see... now I feel so terribly terribly guilty.... if I only had a few weeks off for vacation I could write a whole bunch and then just hand them out one by one like feeding pigeons...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 07:29:16 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 06:45:57 am
see... now I feel so terribly terribly guilty.... if I only had a few weeks off for vacation I could write a whole bunch and then just hand them out one by one like feeding pigeons...!
NO! don't feel guilty! You spoil us so much already  :)
I mean, which other author gives us 2, sometimes 3 chapters a day?? And on weekends sometimes even 4!!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 07:32:42 am
You know what I'm really missing too Louise.....!  ;D

Alien!Brokeback and Falling in Lust!!  ;D  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 07:49:04 am
eeek! oh no! oh no!

Now my colleague who thinks my German isn't good enough tells me I should take a German fluency course, and I told him, "but I don't have time, I am too busy writing", and he shook his head and said "you have time, believe me, you have time!"

He doesn't believe that I spend every spare minute writing.   He doesn't believe me... I know you guys believe me at least.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 15, 2006, 07:53:29 am
We do Louise - and we really appreciate it.

Hey, we could complete an affidavit of our own attesting to the importance of your work which you can then present to anyone who hassles you to work, or learn German or do anything that detracts from your focus on your writing.

It's the least we could do  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 08:08:23 am
nah, this guy just wants to be able to babble at full speed in Saarlandish dialect, thinking that somehow by taking a fluency course I am going to magically start understanding Saarlandish.  Unreasonable expectations there.

2 p.m. and STILL they expect work from me.  Is there no end?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 09:26:45 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 08:08:23 am

2 p.m. and STILL they expect work from me.  Is there no end?

hang in there Louise! don't let them stress you out, we now know what that can do to a person. :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 09:27:28 am
it's this ridiculous "eight hours a day" idea they have in their heads... I don't know where they came up with it.  Probably imported it from America.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 09:34:56 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 09:27:28 am
it's this ridiculous "eight hours a day" idea they have in their heads... I don't know where they came up with it.  Probably imported it from America.

utterly ridiculous! that's why i don't work on friday afternoons.
and it gives me the chance to watch brokeback mountain when the house is quiet!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 15, 2006, 09:41:14 am
Quote from: louisev on September 14, 2006, 03:18:35 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/112722.html  "Chapter 38:  Light and Darkness"

Maybe it's time for Ennis and Ellery to start going to the pool at the Y with Wayne!  ;D When they return from their vacation, of course.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 09:51:05 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 15, 2006, 09:41:14 am
Maybe it's time for Ennis and Ellery to start going to the pool at the Y with Wayne!  ;D When they return from their vacation, of course.



hmm, maybe that would be too stressful for Ennis though.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on September 15, 2006, 09:52:04 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 09:34:56 am
utterly ridiculous! that's why i don't work on friday afternoons.
and it gives me the chance to watch brokeback mountain when the house is quiet!



That's exactly what I do, in fact I've just watched the best bits again now before picking the kids up from school!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 15, 2006, 10:00:02 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 09:51:05 am
hmm, maybe that would be too stressful for Ennis though.

Why? In A Shelter from the Storm Ennis was the one suggesting to go swiming at the Y.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 10:16:31 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 15, 2006, 10:00:02 am
Why? In A Shelter from the Storm Ennis was the one suggesting to go swiming at the Y.


I think Ennis would like to go swimming with Ellery, but not with Wayne  :)

"Now that I don’t think is such a great idea, Wayne,” Ennis said.

“How come, you don’t want me ta see yer man in a skimpy little swimsuit, lookin at his ass an all?”

“Exactly,” Ennis said,

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 10:19:30 am
Quote from: katecaton on September 15, 2006, 09:52:04 am
That's exactly what I do, in fact I've just watched the best bits again now before picking the kids up from school!

great minds think alike  :laugh:  :laugh:

that reunion kiss still send shivers down my spine ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 15, 2006, 10:28:36 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on September 15, 2006, 10:16:31 am

I think Ennis would like to go swimming with Ellery, but not with Wayne  :)

"Now that I don’t think is such a great idea, Wayne,” Ennis said.

“How come, you don’t want me ta see yer man in a skimpy little swimsuit, lookin at his ass an all?”

“Exactly,” Ennis said,



I was kidding with the Wayne part.  ;D But Wyane explained Ellery is not his type but Ennis himself.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 10:55:20 am
You think Ennis would ever admit that Wayne looking at HIS ass would make him nervous?  How many sequels would I have to write before Ennis got used to a femme boy flirting with him?

Not enough!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 15, 2006, 11:12:19 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 06:45:57 am
see... now I feel so terribly terribly guilty.... if I only had a few weeks off for vacation I could write a whole bunch and then just hand them out one by one like feeding pigeons...!
                                                                                                                                                         Now that sounds like a good idea.. maybe you could work on that.                  Coo  Coo Coo
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 11:15:23 am
that is the only real problem with being self employed.  No paid vacations.

meh.

However, in 15 minutes I am off for the weekend and will certainly try to make the most of it!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 15, 2006, 11:40:25 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 10:55:20 am
You think Ennis would ever admit that Wayne looking at HIS ass would make him nervous?  How many sequels would I have to write before Ennis got used to a femme boy flirting with him?

Not enough!

No, he would never admit it. Not on this lifetime anyway. But, would that stop him from going to the pool? They could go at different hours and not run into Wayne, but it'll be funny as hell if they do run into him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 15, 2006, 11:51:06 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 10:55:20 am
How many sequels would I have to write before Ennis got used to a femme boy flirting with him?

I'm impressed that he admitted working at the bar is good for him!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 01:36:46 pm
and here it is!

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/113312.html  "Chapter 40:  Pot and Kettle"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 02:33:08 pm
and here is another, you compulsive refreshers you!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/113454.html  "Chapter 41:  Damage Control"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 15, 2006, 03:21:49 pm
I have to say that despite how incredibly sexy it is to think of Ellery in his cutoffs... every once in a while I can't help but think of Tobias J. Funke the "never-nude" from Arrested Development (pics below)

or Lt. Jim Dangle of the Reno, Nevada sheriff's department...(he wears cutoffs when off duty... but i couldn't find a pic)

(http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmtv/features/reno911/images/reno911_1.jpg)

 ;D I hope I didn't ruin anyone's image of Ellery, I just had to share that....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 03:26:10 pm
Hahahahahah!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 15, 2006, 03:29:46 pm
 :o   That is soooo just not right!   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 15, 2006, 03:32:30 pm
I think Ellery should start wearing his short pants to work... Ennis might find that uniform even more sexy  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on September 15, 2006, 03:39:08 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 15, 2006, 03:21:49 pm
or Lt. Jim Dangle of the Reno, Nevada sheriff's department...(he wears cutoffs when off duty... but i couldn't find a pic)

(http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmtv/features/reno911/images/reno911_1.jpg)

 ;D I hope I didn't ruin anyone's image of Ellery, I just had to share that....
I love Lt. Dangle, so you didn't ruin anything for me!

 ;D
Scott
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 04:00:24 pm
errr, is that a show on tv?

That Dangle's legs go all the way to the top, by golly!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 15, 2006, 04:08:34 pm
Gee.. those shorts are so very wrong on so many levels ..  :laugh:..Jeez..LOL

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 15, 2006, 04:09:31 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 03:15:25 am
Ooooh Louise!!
I'm shocked, LOL!!
Can I join in?!?  ;D  :P  ;D
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    loved that.  it bowled me over...funny    janice                                                                                                                                                    
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 15, 2006, 04:15:33 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 15, 2006, 03:21:49 pm
I have to say that despite how incredibly sexy it is to think of Ellery in his cutoffs... every once in a while I can't help but think of Tobias J. Funke the "never-nude" from Arrested Development (pics below)

or Lt. Jim Dangle of the Reno, Nevada sheriff's department...(he wears cutoffs when off duty... but i couldn't find a pic)

(http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmtv/features/reno911/images/reno911_1.jpg)

 ;D I hope I didn't ruin anyone's image of Ellery, I just had to share that....                                                i think that is dangle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 15, 2006, 04:25:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 04:00:24 pm
errr, is that a show on tv?

That Dangle's legs go all the way to the top, by golly!

yeah, sorry. It's called Reno 911 and it's on comedy central here in the states. It's mostly improv and really really funny  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 15, 2006, 04:28:14 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 15, 2006, 04:25:16 pm
yeah, sorry. It's called Reno 911 and it's on comedy central here in the states. It's mostly improv and really really funny  :)

Never heard of the show..
Well, it does look funny judging by those shorts alone..  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 15, 2006, 04:45:18 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 15, 2006, 04:08:34 pm
Gee.. those shorts are so very wrong on so many levels ..  :laugh:..Jeez..LOL


Hahaha, I agree!! LOL!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 15, 2006, 07:12:57 pm
Okay, here's my dumb question for the day:

What is an 'avatar'?

Thanx.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 15, 2006, 07:19:41 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 15, 2006, 07:12:57 pm
Okay, here's my dumb question for the day:

What is an 'avatar'?

Thanx.

The little picture we all have over to the left...mine is a picture of Hugh/Ellery.

Down below is the signature. Mine is a quote from my story...NavyVet, have you read that yet?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on September 15, 2006, 07:24:53 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 15, 2006, 04:28:14 pm
Never heard of the show..
Well, it does look funny judging by those shorts alone..  ;)
It's really a delightful show...I'm kinda surprised it hasn't made it to Canada yet. It's also worth mentioning that Lt. Dangle, like our Ennis and Ellery, belongs (quite openly and proudly) to the "inverted brotherhood".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 15, 2006, 07:57:24 pm
See... I knew that Mojo.  I could tell by the slender but well-defined, proudly displayed thighs.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 16, 2006, 12:12:42 am
Quote from: louisev on September 15, 2006, 07:57:24 pm
See... I knew that Mojo.  I could tell by the slender but well-defined, proudly displayed thighs.

very true... I love Lt. Dangle and his legs  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 16, 2006, 06:56:19 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/113690.html  "Chapter 42: Gossip and Talk"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 16, 2006, 08:10:36 am
Well it seems life is imitating art again. Apparently Jake Gyllenhall (aka Jack) is on location in Austin working on the Lance Armstrong biopic.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on September 16, 2006, 09:50:47 am


Louise, I am getting to like Alma Forster more and more.  She is becoming a real person to me.  She is certainly not the clinging vine type, and is out to protect her girls and her husband from malicious gossip.  She is a strong character and will fight for hers.  She has not quite the buxom, steam engine body, but she sure reminds me of the type.  Ellery so far has made his point, but he sure has his hands full and further exchanges will be a joy to see!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 16, 2006, 09:57:20 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/114055.html  "Chapter 43:  Insecurity"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 16, 2006, 11:02:39 am
Woo-hooo!
I got me one of them there 'avatars' AND 2 chapters to read! 
Cool beans!   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 16, 2006, 11:54:28 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 16, 2006, 11:02:39 am
Woo-hooo!
I got me one of them there 'avatars' AND 2 chapters to read! 
Cool beans!   :D

Hey NV...

Lookin good, lookin good...

MW
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 16, 2006, 12:27:43 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/114187.html  "Chapter 44:  Strangers and Threats"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 16, 2006, 02:56:39 pm
...and another bonus update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/114530.html  "Chapter 45: Educated Guess"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 16, 2006, 03:28:32 pm
My goodness Louise!   you have been busy today!

Thanks Darlin!

David ~
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 16, 2006, 03:55:22 pm
LITTLE ANNOUNCEMENT:

After the Lori Effect of the widely-read and distributed review of "The Laramie Saga", new readers are delurking and catching up from starting the fic in the past week.  I wanted to remind people who are caught up to date to be cautious of putting up

SPOILERS if you can remember (even I forget) for the new users who aren't up to date.

Also, for those of you who are new to Bettermost, and for those who have not tried CHAT of late:  We usually have DAILY discussions in the live chat client.  Click on the red lips on the Main Menu and it will bring you into a FlashChat client.

We are most often found in the Campfire Room or Fanfic Room.  And welcome all new readers/fans!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 16, 2006, 03:59:38 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on September 16, 2006, 03:28:32 pm
My goodness Louise!   you have been busy today!

Thanks Darlin!

David ~

you are very welcome.  And did you happen to know I get a thrill out of being called "Darlin" ?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 16, 2006, 04:34:15 pm
Louise, you've really spoilt us today.  ;D Just put my little one to bed and settled down hoping that you might have posted an update, perhaps two if I was lucky.

I've really enjoyed these Riverton chapters, lots of facing up to reality for everyone. Ennis has really matured emotionally, not automatically lashing out with his fists when he's felt challenged or threatened. Poor Ellery though, he needs a good long trip to a spa or something (with Ennis's massages thrown in).

This must be the longest the guys have managed to keep their hands off each other since they met -  :laugh:

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 16, 2006, 04:53:39 pm
Thank you, Kazza!!!  I am glad you enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 16, 2006, 07:03:00 pm
SPOILER




I'd like to echo Kazza (with that moniker you must be from Oz!). I too am finding the Riverton chapters rivetting! This is really where the rubber hits the road for Ennis.

I wonder how Junior will explain the car to her friends.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 17, 2006, 03:14:34 am
Good morning fellow Ennis and Ellery fanatics! Well it,s a lovely foggy day today in the UK so I,m hoping for lots of "our boys" to brighten my day please Louise. ;D btw, you do realise we expect you to type in your sleep dont you? ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 17, 2006, 03:48:12 am
It's amazing how names that not so long ago meant nothing now jump out at you. Last week we were driving round near where we used live and I did a double take as we passed Ennis Street. Then just today we went for drive up the coast as we have done many times before and at a certain favourite destination my head swivelled round. Yes - there was Del Mar Drive. There is no escaping this man!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 17, 2006, 04:56:03 am
Hey MagicMountain, actually I'm a Londoner born and bred.... but having spent many years working with Aussies and Kiwi's (who became great friends) their nickname for me kinda stuck.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 17, 2006, 06:48:15 am
okay folkeses, I'm up and around again... back in the coal mines!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 17, 2006, 08:33:28 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/114870.html  "Chapter 46:  Together, Apart"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 17, 2006, 08:34:20 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 17, 2006, 03:48:12 am
It's amazing how names that not so long ago meant nothing now jump out at you. Last week we were driving round near where we used live and I did a double take as we passed Ennis Street. Then just today we went for drive up the coast as we have done many times before and at a certain favourite destination my head swivelled round. Yes - there was Del Mar Drive. There is no escaping this man!
Hehe, no there isn't!
When I was in The States a few weeks ago my friend and I passed a sign with a town on it called "Ennis" That was so bizarre! We wanted to go there but sadly didn't have the time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 17, 2006, 08:42:50 am
Quote from: louisev on September 17, 2006, 08:33:28 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/114870.html  "Chapter 46:  Together, Apart"
Whoooooooo!
Off to read!
 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 17, 2006, 08:52:48 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 17, 2006, 08:42:50 am
Whoooooooo!
Off to read!
 :-*

Deep insightful posts like that, with thoughtful responses like this, will get us to 4000 posts in no time. Thirteen to go!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 17, 2006, 09:00:48 am
OK, I'll contribute to the cause.

Talking about no escaping of Ennis Del Mar, have you guys watched Lords of Dogtown?  After discovering Heath Ledger, I began to search for his previous movies.  When I was watching Lords of Dogtown, a road sign suddenly caught my attention when the group of skateboarders was going to another city for competition, the road sign read 'Del Mar Beach', it was such a funny feeling to see this name on another movie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 17, 2006, 09:41:18 am
I've got a really good one for y'all.  I live in an awesome active adult community in central Florida called The Villages.  Living here is kind of like a Disney World for seniors.  It's a huge town, spanning into 3 counties and is comprised of numerous neighborhoods (villages) each with its own name.  Not only do we have a Del Mar Drive, we also have a Village Del Mar.  I thought that was cool.
Technically, I am not even close to old enough to live here, but got in early due to my disabled Veteran status.  I love living here!  It's nick named 'Florida's Friendliest Hometown.'  We have TWO Town Squares, a bunch of pools, golf courses, restaurants, shopping, several country clubs, and a performing arts center.  Homes and villas range from the mid- $100,000's up to $1.3 million.
You can find out how special this place is on their website, if'n you want:
http://www.thevillages.com/index2.htm
Sorry if I got a little OT there.  I've never lived anywhere as good as here, and I've done a LOT of moving (12 years USN, active duty.)
Have a great Sunday!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 17, 2006, 09:46:52 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 17, 2006, 08:34:20 am
Hehe, no there isn't!
When I was in The States a few weeks ago my friend and I passed a sign with a town on it called "Ennis" That was so bizarre! We wanted to go there but sadly didn't have the time.

Bigheart check out this link featuring a Dairy Queen outlet which I posted earlier as a possible inclusion in the gallery: http://reedrealestate.com/listings/commercial/5411.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 17, 2006, 09:54:38 am
I have been to Ennis, Ireland and even have pictures, but they are on the other computer so I can't post them right now. Sorry!


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 17, 2006, 10:16:25 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 17, 2006, 09:46:52 am
Bigheart check out this link featuring a Dairy Queen outlet which I posted earlier as a possible inclusion in the gallery: http://reedrealestate.com/listings/commercial/5411.html

This is great mm!
Thanks for posting  :)

Hehehe, Leslie, doing my best here!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 17, 2006, 10:33:58 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 16, 2006, 07:03:00 pm
SPOILER




I'd like to echo Kazza (with that moniker you must be from Oz!). I too am finding the Riverton chapters rivetting! This is really where the rubber hits the road for Ennis.

I wonder how Junior will explain the car to her friends.

This is speculation of course:



Don't think she has to explain anything---none of her friends know Ellery--and all she really would have to say is My Dad helped me find/get it.   Nothing surprising about that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 17, 2006, 10:54:06 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/114966.html  "Chapter 47: Family Affairs"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 17, 2006, 01:57:06 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/115350.html  "Chapter 48:  Darling and Sweetheart"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 17, 2006, 01:59:25 pm
OMG! Louise ~ you have been updating like crazy .. awesome!!  Thanks so much ..
I have now like 5 or 6 chapters to go catch up on..  :D

And we are drawing even closer to 4000 posts!!   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 17, 2006, 03:27:16 pm
Hi everyone

I've just registered here after catching up on Louise's amazing story.  It took me over a week of long, late nights but it was worth it.  :)

I just love this story so much, and I love Ellery.  He is such a wonderful character.  And yes, I think I have a crush on him too.  ;) 

I doubt I'll have chance to catch up on the thread though - I mean, 200+ pages is a lot of pages!!!    :o  But I hope to be here and join in with your chats over the latest chapters.  I am a member of ennisjack.com where there is a thread dedicated to the Laramie Saga and I tend to leave comments over there too.  Louise really does have a lot of fans all over the place!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 17, 2006, 03:32:09 pm
Welcome Christie!

    We all have one thing in common.  We love seeing Ennis happy once again.    Glad you found us here at BetterMost.

David  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 17, 2006, 03:40:46 pm
Hi Christie!

Welcome from me too  :)

A lot of us here have huge crushes on Ellery!  ;D and we love Louise for creating him  :)

And yes, David, nothing makes us happier than seeing Ennis happy once again  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 17, 2006, 03:49:40 pm
and with this, we reach 4000 posts, a true milestone.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/dsc_9766.jpg)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 17, 2006, 03:53:09 pm
Hi Christie! I dont mind chatting in two spots!

Feel free to stop in our chat client - click on the red lips!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 17, 2006, 04:10:36 pm
Thanks for the welcome.  Its nice to be here.

Yes, I agree about Ennis - he does have a right to be happy, although I didnt think I would ever get so involved in a story that didnt have Ennis and Jack living that sweet life.  Madlori got me so intrigued by her wonderful post about the story, that I just had to give it a go - and the way she described Ellery, boy I just had to see what he was like for myself!

Just one question - when talking about the latest chapters, do you have to post it as a spoiler or is it ok to just talk about it anyway, with quotes and such?  I dont want to be getting in to trouble on my first day!   :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 17, 2006, 04:48:21 pm
Hi Christie,

Since not everyone that reads the thread is caught up we do our best to post Spoiler at the top of a post where we are going to discuss specific details.  Sometimes we get so excited we forget, but we do our best, and Louise gives us gentle reminders every now and then...

(but if you mess up, no worries - you might get a Mr. Coyote spank, but that's about it...  ;) )
(Okay, forget I said that, now everyone will WANT to mess up...)

Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 17, 2006, 05:01:53 pm
Welcome aboard Christie and all other newcomers!!
Hope you have fun here at Bettermost !!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 17, 2006, 05:10:36 pm
Oh and before I forget ..

YeeHaw for over 4000 posts!!   ;)

It is infact a lot of fun coming on here everyday .. reading and participating in discussions, and having a fun time with you all.
I am having a blast  .. hope y'all are as well!

Every single person on here makes this thread a great place to hang out ..
Louise ~ Thank you for all the frequent updates .. and for the Saga!



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/7f7ce220.gif)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 17, 2006, 05:15:22 pm
oh LUCISE!  The Men in Black!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 17, 2006, 05:44:51 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 17, 2006, 04:48:21 pm

(but if you mess up, no worries - you might get a Mr. Coyote spank, but that's about it...  ;) )
(Okay, forget I said that, now everyone will WANT to mess up...)

Or a Mr. Coyote nip...... ;)  ;D
Sounds good to me, hehehe
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 17, 2006, 05:49:04 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 17, 2006, 05:10:36 pm
Oh and before I forget ..

YeeHaw for over 4000 posts!!   ;)

It is infact a lot of fun coming on here everyday .. reading and participating in discussions, and having a fun time with you all.
I am having a blast  .. hope y'all are as well!

Every single person on here makes this thread a great place to hang out ..
Louise ~ Thank you for all the frequent updates .. and for the Saga!



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/7f7ce220.gif)

Aww Lucise, it's great fun here on the E+E thread and on Bettermost  :)
And a BIG THANK YOU to you as well for giving us all these wonderful, beautiful pics!!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 17, 2006, 07:32:54 pm
In celebration of our 4,000 posts, I dedicate this song to Ennis and Ellery, and also in memory of Freddie Mercury who would've turned 60 on September 5th.


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/180px-Freddie_mercury.jpg)

Crazy Little Thing Called Love
By Queen

This thing called love I just can't handle it
this thing called love I must get round to it
I ain't ready
Crazy little thing called love
This (This Thing) called love
(Called Love)
It cries (Like a baby)
In a cradle all night
It swings (Woo Woo)
It jives (Woo Woo)
It shakes all over like a jelly fish,
I kinda like it
Crazy little thing called love

There goes my baby
She knows how to Rock n' roll
She drives me crazy
She gives me hot and cold fever
Then she leaves me in a cool cool sweat

I gotta be cool relax, get hip
Get on my track's
Take a back seat, hitch-hike
And take a long ride on my motor bike
Until I'm ready
Crazy little thing called love

I gotta be cool relax, get hip
Get on my track's
Take a back seat, hitch-hike
And take a long ride on my motor bike
Until I'm ready (Ready Freddie)
Crazy little thing called love

This thing called love I just can't handle it
this thing called love I must get round to it
I ain't ready
Crazy little thing called love
Crazy little thing called love
Crazy little thing called love
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 18, 2006, 04:40:14 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 17, 2006, 07:32:54 pm
In celebration of our 4,000 posts, I dedicate this song to Ennis and Ellery, and also in memory of Freddie Mercury who would've turned 60 on September 5th.


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/180px-Freddie_mercury.jpg)


Oh Natali, this is just great!!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 18, 2006, 05:03:43 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/115854.html  "Chapter 49:  Meanwhile, Back at the Bar"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 18, 2006, 06:32:31 am
lunchtime, AND a new chapter! cool
thanks louise, you know how to keep your readers  adoring fans happy  :)

*off to read*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 18, 2006, 06:37:14 am
First thing in the morning, and a new chapter too! Wow, thanks Louise.

This has nothing to do with Ennis and Ellery but I know we are all fans of pictures and I thought folks might enjoy this. My friend Judith sent the link along:

http://www.musicmisfit.com/affectionatemen/affectionate.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 18, 2006, 06:44:06 am
waw leslie, that was very nice.
lovely pictures and a very fitting song.
thanks for posting that  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 18, 2006, 06:54:32 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 18, 2006, 06:37:14 am
First thing in the morning, and a new chapter too! Wow, thanks Louise.

This has nothing to do with Ennis and Ellery but I know we are all fans of pictures and I thought folks might enjoy this. My friend Judith sent the link along:

http://www.musicmisfit.com/affectionatemen/affectionate.html

Leslie


Wow, Leslie, that's so great. I really enjoyed it! Thanks for posting  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 18, 2006, 07:37:28 am
well dont get too overexcited, I am going to be hard pressed to get today's work finished, get to the grocery store, get a second chapter finished and be ready for my roleplay partner to be ready promptly at 7... but please bear in mind you guys got SPOILED TO DEATH over the weekend with lots of extra chapters.  So today might be a little lean.

I think.

And Photo Coordinator...

we need a very proper English gentleman (or at least someone who dresses like one) as a new denizen of the Red Stallion!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 18, 2006, 09:19:52 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/116165.html  "Chapter 50:  Meanwhile, Back at Momma's"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 18, 2006, 10:23:03 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 18, 2006, 06:37:14 am
First thing in the morning, and a new chapter too! Wow, thanks Louise.

This has nothing to do with Ennis and Ellery but I know we are all fans of pictures and I thought folks might enjoy this. My friend Judith sent the link along:

http://www.musicmisfit.com/affectionatemen/affectionate.html

Leslie


Leslie, I loved this! Thanks!

And no worries Louise! I can hardly believe I just woke up and there are already 2 chapters posted... and that there were so many posted yesterday! We'll wait patiently...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 18, 2006, 10:34:40 am
so while you're all waiting for tomorrow's chapters you can write a book report on "Alma's Husbands:  Potency Problem Or Queer?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 18, 2006, 11:10:27 am
SPOILER

Quote from: louisev on September 18, 2006, 10:34:40 am
so while you're all waiting for tomorrow's chapters you can write a book report on "Alma's Husbands:  Potency Problem Or Queer?"

Neither. I think Bill feels he's playing second fiddle to Ennis because he knows Alma is still carrying a torch for her ex-husband. So, he might be sexually disencouraged by that fact.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 18, 2006, 11:25:14 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 17, 2006, 05:49:04 pm
Aww Lucise, it's great fun here on the E+E thread and on Bettermost  :)
And a BIG THANK YOU to you as well for giving us all these wonderful, beautiful pics!!  :-*
                                                                                                                                      i think this is one of your best lucise.  and congratulations on your 4000  thank you very much
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 18, 2006, 01:11:24 pm
spoiler!







Oh, man!  Dupree and Jeeves?  I wanted Ennis and Ellery to initiate Dupree into the wonders of hot man-sex!  Smokin' three-way action!

yeah, right.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 18, 2006, 02:42:47 pm
in yer DREAMS.


oh my.  You just gave me a devilish idea.  I may write this one tonight.  Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 18, 2006, 03:16:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 18, 2006, 02:42:47 pm
in yer DREAMS.


oh my.  You just gave me a devilish idea.  I may write this one tonight.  Stay tuned!


you bet!

 :o  :o   :o   :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 18, 2006, 03:38:52 pm
Oh Louise - we're all gong to be bleary eyed from the constant refreshing!

SPOILERish

Poor Alma. She needs to get herself down to Ann Summers! Stock up on some toys of her own (maybe Ellery can advise her on things that go buzz in the night)!  ;)

Kazza
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 18, 2006, 03:43:45 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 18, 2006, 01:11:24 pm
spoiler!







Oh, man!  Dupree and Jeeves?  I wanted Ennis and Ellery to initiate Dupree into the wonders of hot man-sex!  Smokin' three-way action!

yeah, right.
I like the way you think Lori!! LOL!  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 18, 2006, 03:46:29 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 18, 2006, 02:42:47 pm
in yer DREAMS.


oh my.  You just gave me a devilish idea.  I may write this one tonight.  Stay tuned!
Ooooh Louise, I likes devilish  :D
And do you think I'd be going anywhere after THIS post??  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 18, 2006, 03:48:18 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 18, 2006, 06:37:14 am
First thing in the morning, and a new chapter too! Wow, thanks Louise.

This has nothing to do with Ennis and Ellery but I know we are all fans of pictures and I thought folks might enjoy this. My friend Judith sent the link along:

http://www.musicmisfit.com/affectionatemen/affectionate.html

Leslie

Oh Leslie, I really enjoyed this and I loved the song  :)
Thank you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 18, 2006, 03:48:55 pm
I think we'll have a new member here in a bit...stealyourself just signed on, she's a new reader who (I think) picked up on the LS from my big-ass post on my LJ about it.

So let's be nice to her when she gets here.  And she's waiting to read book 5, so creful of spoilers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 18, 2006, 03:50:16 pm
I wont be starting the next chapter till after I finish a roleplay date, which will be sometime in the next half hour, so don't look for an update till after 11 pm Euro time!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 18, 2006, 03:54:25 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 18, 2006, 03:48:55 pm
I think we'll have a new member here in a bit...stealyourself just signed on, she's a new reader who (I think) picked up on the LS from my big-ass post on my LJ about it.

So let's be nice to her when she gets here.  And she's waiting to read book 5, so creful of spoilers!
Aren't we always nice?!  :D  :D  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 18, 2006, 04:48:48 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/116285.html  "Chapter 51:  Little White Pills"

Chapter 51 is dedicated to Lori and her little idea.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 18, 2006, 05:17:57 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 17, 2006, 04:48:21 pm
Hi Christie,

Since not everyone that reads the thread is caught up we do our best to post Spoiler at the top of a post where we are going to discuss specific details.  Sometimes we get so excited we forget, but we do our best, and Louise gives us gentle reminders every now and then...

(but if you mess up, no worries - you might get a Mr. Coyote spank, but that's about it...  ;) )
(Okay, forget I said that, now everyone will WANT to mess up...)

Welcome aboard!

Thanks for that notbasket.  I will certainly try my best to remember, but I do know what its like when you get carried away, especially when Ennis and Ellery get carried away....although there hasnt been much of getting fancy lately, which is a damn shame.

As for getting a Mr Coyote spank, yes please!  ;D   I'm sure Ellery wouldnt mind, just as long as I dont start messing up on purpose.  As if I would do such a thing.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 18, 2006, 05:22:44 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 18, 2006, 04:48:48 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/116285.html  "Chapter 51:  Little White Pills"

Chapter 51 is dedicated to Lori and her little idea.
Thank you Lori!! And thank you Louise!!  ;D  ;D
This was fun Louise and that small little part with Dupree was just damn hot  :P  ;D
And Joe?!? OMG. OMG. Hilarious!! *shudders at that image!* LOL!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 18, 2006, 06:37:12 pm
I hope I managed to disgust and titillate everyone all at the same time!  My work for the night is done.

See you all tomorrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on September 18, 2006, 10:59:57 pm
Thank you, Lori, for planting the beginning of a devilish little idea in Louise's head.  I like the way she worked it in to the Saga! ;) Teamwork, what a wonderful concept!

Welcome to Christie and other new readers of the Laramie Saga.  Glad you could join us here.  It's a lot of fun!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 19, 2006, 11:07:33 am
Okay, where is everyone? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 19, 2006, 11:27:31 am
I am getting ready to leave work after a day of *snorts in disgust* actual work.

Then I will be able to devote myself to E & E as is my natural calling in life.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 19, 2006, 11:36:27 am
Quote from: louisev on September 19, 2006, 11:27:31 am
I am getting ready to leave work after a day of *snorts in disgust* actual work.

Then I will be able to devote myself to E & E as is my natural calling in life.

Well, thank God.  Heaven forbid you should you know, earn a living and all that crap.  :-D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on September 19, 2006, 12:20:30 pm
 Yes, I second  that ....earning a living sucks and Louise has better things to do than work  ;D .. I'm hanging around waiting for my daily fix of E&E "tappingfingerimpatiently"

 :-*

Caramelle

P.S. Anyone know why I can this site only via Firefox and not via IE ?????
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 19, 2006, 12:25:33 pm
Quote from: caramelle58 on September 19, 2006, 12:20:30 pm
P.S. Anyone know why I can this site only via Firefox and not via IE ?????

Hmm, strange. I see this site via IE. Perhaps you need to fix your configuration or something.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 19, 2006, 12:33:46 pm
ok here I am, safe at home, with cold mineral water, gluten free noodles bolognaise, and an empty page in front of me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 12:49:20 pm
Morning all!    Or whatever time you have where you are ..  ;)


One of the characters we need for our Supporting Cast Gallery is Nadine ..


She looks way too sweet ..any other ideas?   :)

(http://umssi.com/images/Young-nurse-smiling.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 19, 2006, 01:28:34 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 19, 2006, 12:33:46 pm
ok here I am, safe at home, with cold mineral water, gluten free noodles bolognaise, and an empty page in front of me.
How's it coming along Louise?

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 19, 2006, 01:45:46 pm
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/nurse.jpg)

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/nurse4.jpg)

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/nurse3.jpg)

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/nurse2.jpg)

Will any of these do, Lucise??   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 19, 2006, 01:52:12 pm
There has been some debate regarding Nadine's profession... we might need to know that before picking out someone (i.e. some of those ladies look like they're in doctor garb...)

And, the syringe taped to that one woman's chest is just plain bizarre...

I like the first blonde girl best, but she's dressed like you would expect a nurse to dress, and I'm not certain that Nadine is a nurse.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 19, 2006, 01:52:53 pm
Ooh, I've never seen this pic before...this is a very LS Ennis, don't you think?

(http://www.labutaca.net/fotos/36/brokeback/brokeback14.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 01:53:50 pm
I was going to comment on the syringe, something along the lines of WTF? LOL

Now to me, this is Nadine:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/candystriper.jpg)


Young, candystriper, forgot everything they taught her in orientation about confidentiality...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 19, 2006, 01:58:57 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/116582.html  "Chapter 52: A Man in Love"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 19, 2006, 02:03:08 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 01:53:50 pm
I was going to comment on the syringe, something along the lines of WTF? LOL

Now to me, this is Nadine:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/candystriper.jpg)


Young, candystriper, forgot everything they taught her in orientation about confidentiality...

Leslie
LOL, I didn't even notice the syringe!!  ::)

And because Lucise put a pic of a nurse up I just assumed Nadine was one  :D  AND I looked for non-sweet pics of nurses  ;D
I think your candystriper is perfect even though she looks real sweet  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 02:15:39 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 19, 2006, 02:03:08 pm
LOL, I didn't even notice the syringe!!  ::)

And because Lucise put a pic of a nurse up I just assumed Nadine was one  :D  AND I looked for non-sweet pics of nurses  ;D
I think your candystriper is perfect even though she looks real sweet  :)

She looks real sweet but she has a sort of smarmy look in her eyes and smile...."Oh, hello," she says to your face, sweet as can be, then runs out of the room to gossip behind your back.

I knew girls like this in school and I couldn't stand them! LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 02:26:10 pm
We also have to consider that Nadine is Francine's friend..so she'd be about 18/19 ..?

I like Leslie's Nadine too. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 19, 2006, 02:44:18 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/116825.html  "Chapter 53: A Way With Women"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on September 19, 2006, 02:46:17 pm
I am back from my vacation and here to report to E&E thread.  ;D

Glad to see that you guys added another 70 some pages since I left and few more devoted E&E fans (including the honorable Madlori!).  One thing that I managed to do during my vacation is to stay up-to-date on Laramie Sage.  I really enjoy the new book.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 19, 2006, 02:47:11 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 19, 2006, 02:26:10 pm
We also have to consider that Nadine is Francine's friend..so she'd be about 18/19 ..?

I like Leslie's Nadine too. :)

We also have to consider that Leslie, as a PhD. in Nursing, and a Nursing Professional, would like to exert Veto Power over any plot element that involves any foibles, weaknesses, or malfeasance by an ACTUAL Licensed or Registered NURSE.  Therefore she insists that Nadine has to be a Candystriper (nursing student.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 02:52:35 pm
Quote from: JennyC on September 19, 2006, 02:46:17 pm
I am back from my vacation and here to report to E&E thread.  ;D

Glad to see that you guys added another 70 some pages since I left and few more devoted E&E fans (including the honorable Madlori!).  One thing that I managed to do during my vacation is to stay up-to-date on Laramie Sage.  I really enjoy the new book.


Jenny ~ Great to see you back here!!  :D
And you are up-to-date on E&E..impressive!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 03:04:55 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 19, 2006, 02:47:11 pm
We also have to consider that Leslie, as a PhD. in Nursing, and a Nursing Professional, would like to exert Veto Power over any plot element that involves any foibles, weaknesses, or malfeasance by an ACTUAL Licensed Practical or Registered NURSE.  Therefore she insists that Nadine has to be a Candystriper (nursing student.)

A candystriper is a volunteer. When they grow up, they turn into the Pink Ladies.

Seriously, we argued this long and hard in the chat the other day--issues of patient confidentiality, nurses gossiping, etc. Having pondered this, I think it is totally plausible that Nadine be a candystriper. She would have had some sort of an orientation but doesn't have a direct supervisor to monitor her actions. She would have access to patient care areas and patient care information. I don't think her gossping about Ellery was ever meant to be malicious but was just a product of her youthfulness and inexperience. Hopefully, she'll learn from this mistake.

Why is Nadine a candystriper? Good way to get a little bit of exposure, see if you like being in a hospital environmnent, working with patients. Maybe she is in the process of applying to the nursing program at the community college. Just a few thoughts.

Leslie

PS, yes, I was a candystriper--in case anyone was wondering.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 03:12:00 pm
Quote from: JennyC on September 19, 2006, 02:46:17 pm
I am back from my vacation and here to report to E&E thread.  ;D

Glad to see that you guys added another 70 some pages since I left and few more devoted E&E fans (including the honorable Madlori!).  One thing that I managed to do during my vacation is to stay up-to-date on Laramie Sage.  I really enjoy the new book.


Jenny!

Welcome back...I've missed you! I hope you had a wonderful trip. Now back to real life and the lives of the boys in Laramie...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moremojo on September 19, 2006, 03:12:36 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 02:15:39 pm
She looks real sweet but she has a sort of smarmy look in her eyes and smile...."Oh, hello," she says to your face, sweet as can be, then runs out of the room to gossip behind your back.

I knew girls like this in school and I couldn't stand them! LOL

Leslie
Does anyone else think this candystriper looks a whole lot like actress/comedienne Amy Poehler? Could this indeed be her?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 03:14:07 pm
Quote from: moremojo on September 19, 2006, 03:12:36 pm
Does anyone else think this candystriper looks a whole lot like actress/comedienne Amy Poehler? Could this indeed be her?

I don't know. I got the picture off the website for Long Island Jewish Hospital. I am not sure they'd be getting actresses to pose for their publicity photos, but you never know.....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 19, 2006, 03:16:39 pm
Quote from: JennyC on September 19, 2006, 02:46:17 pm
I am back from my vacation and here to report to E&E thread.  ;D

Glad to see that you guys added another 70 some pages since I left and few more devoted E&E fans (including the honorable Madlori!).  One thing that I managed to do during my vacation is to stay up-to-date on Laramie Sage.  I really enjoy the new book.


welcome back!  and thank you for putting in all that time to keep up to date!  I am glad you like the story as it progresses. It has been... er... controversial.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 04:07:47 pm
So..

Nadine The CandyStriper above is going to the gallery ..  :)
Thanks Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 19, 2006, 04:30:45 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 02:15:39 pm
She looks real sweet but she has a sort of smarmy look in her eyes and smile...."Oh, hello," she says to your face, sweet as can be, then runs out of the room to gossip behind your back.

I knew girls like this in school and I couldn't stand them! LOL

Leslie

    right on target les
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 19, 2006, 04:36:25 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 19, 2006, 02:26:10 pm
We also have to consider that Nadine is Francine's friend..so she'd be about 18/19 ..?

I like Leslie's Nadine too. :)
                                                                                                                                      It occurs to me lucise, if im not wrong. 
Do we have a francine
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 19, 2006, 04:40:33 pm
oh my gorsh!  We haven't got a Francine or a Bill Jr!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 19, 2006, 05:22:44 pm
Here goes my stupid question of the day:

How do y'all put pictures and such in the replies here?  Do they need to be .jpg files?  Etc, Etc.

Btw, I love all the photos and fanart and everything y'all post.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 19, 2006, 05:37:10 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 19, 2006, 05:22:44 pm
Here goes my stupid question of the day:

How do y'all put pictures and such in the replies here?  Do they need to be .jpg files?  Etc, Etc.

Btw, I love all the photos and fanart and everything y'all post.

Just copy the url of the pic and click on the "insert image" button from the selection above and put the url in between the brackets

or, you can click on additional options below and browse and upload pics from your computer...

Hope that helps!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 06:05:26 pm
We need Francine, people!! ..helllooooooo... ;D

Ok..let the suggestions begin .. I'll start ..  :)

(http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/people/young-woman-photo-g28.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 19, 2006, 06:09:06 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 19, 2006, 06:05:26 pm
We need Francine, people!! ..helllooooooo... ;D

Ok..let the suggestions begin .. I'll start ..  :)

(http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/people/young-woman-photo-g28.jpg)

But Francine is blonde. (is that you in the pic?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 19, 2006, 06:09:37 pm
Quote from: moremojo on September 19, 2006, 03:12:36 pm
Does anyone else think this candystriper looks a whole lot like actress/comedienne Amy Poehler? Could this indeed be her?

LOL I thought the exact same thing... :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 19, 2006, 06:10:35 pm
Quote from: opinionista on September 19, 2006, 06:09:06 pm
Francine is blond

Yeah, and I picture her not quite as sweet... there is just something about that girl that recalls the whole popular high school cheerleader for me...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 06:20:45 pm
You want cheerleader ..well.. ;D

(http://www.123rf.com/400wm/dash/dash0603/dash060300233.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 19, 2006, 06:22:09 pm
This is Kirsten Dunst, but the way she looks in this picture in particular is more or less like I imagine Francine, but with brown eyes. Too bad Matilda Ledger is still a baby. She'll be the perfect candidate to play the part!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/kirsten-dunst03.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 06:23:03 pm
Quote from: opinionista on September 19, 2006, 06:09:06 pm
But Francine is blonde. (is that you in the pic?)

I had someone in mind who looked abit like Alma Jr ..
and .. That's not me Natali ..  :) 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 19, 2006, 06:24:28 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 19, 2006, 04:40:33 pm
oh my gorsh!  We haven't got a Francine or a Bill Jr!

You haven't told us how old is Bill Jr., have you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 19, 2006, 06:33:33 pm
Francine is a female version of Ennis, and it is possible the young Kirstin Dunst could probably suit.  Blond, brown eyes, with that nearly-expressionless slight smile that gives her momma the willies!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 19, 2006, 06:34:45 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 19, 2006, 01:52:53 pm
Ooh, I've never seen this pic before...this is a very LS Ennis, don't you think?

(http://www.labutaca.net/fotos/36/brokeback/brokeback14.jpg)

I totally agree Lori!  Wow, can just imagine him stood at the jukebox in the Red Stallion looking just like that (does the Red Stallion have a jukebox?).  No wonder he gets called Buttercup so often.  ;)

Btw, I have this pic in a BBM German pressbook I got off ebay - I actually only received it yesterday in fact, and I've been staring at it ever since! lol It has some wonderful pics I've never seen anywhere else before - including one of Ang Lee, dressed like Jack Twist! He has that gorgeous green coat of his on and everything.

Sorry, that was all o/t.  :-X
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 19, 2006, 06:36:44 pm
Quote from: laurel on September 18, 2006, 10:59:57 pm
Thank you, Lori, for planting the beginning of a devilish little idea in Louise's head.  I like the way she worked it in to the Saga! ;) Teamwork, what a wonderful concept!

Welcome to Christie and other new readers of the Laramie Saga.  Glad you could join us here.  It's a lot of fun!

Thanks for the welcome Laurel.  Its great to be here.  I hope to catch up a little on the thread now I'm all caught up on LS.   It does seem a great place to be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 06:38:14 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 19, 2006, 06:34:45 pm
Btw, I have this pic in a BBM German pressbook I got off ebay - I actually only received it yesterday in fact, and I've been staring at it ever since! lol It has some wonderful pics I've never seen anywhere else before - including one of Ang Lee, dressed like Jack Twist! He has that gorgeous green coat of his on and everything.

Sorry, that was all o/t.  :-X

Err..Christie ..could you scan all the pics from that pressbook and post here?  :D
Ok..not all the pics, but a few..
Ok..even one would be fine ..;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 19, 2006, 06:59:02 pm
Francine, hmnn... I think she should be sweet and likeable.  That pic of Kirsten is nice, but does anyone think it would be weird, given that she used to date Jake?  I know that is sort of a ludicrous question, but thought I'd ask anyway...  how bout a young Julia Stiles?  blond Anna Paquin?

(*groan*... I'm bad at this...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 19, 2006, 07:18:25 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 19, 2006, 01:52:53 pm
Ooh, I've never seen this pic before...this is a very LS Ennis, don't you think?

(http://www.labutaca.net/fotos/36/brokeback/brokeback14.jpg)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 that is ennis..period
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 19, 2006, 07:18:45 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 03:12:00 pm
Jenny!

Welcome back...I've missed you! I hope you had a wonderful trip. Now back to real life and the lives of the boys in Laramie...

Leslie

"Now back to real life and the lives of the boys in Laramie..." which of course are interchangeable!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 19, 2006, 07:22:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 19, 2006, 06:33:33 pm
Francine is a female version of Ennis, and it is possible the young Kirstin Dunst could probably suit.  Blond, brown eyes, with that nearly-expressionless slight smile that gives her momma the willies!

This is getting a bit incestuous. Kirsten Dunst used to be Jake Gyllenhaal's girlfriend!

Just an aside. Last night I watched an episode of "Queer as Folk" on TV and was amazed at how explicit the sex scenes are. In one scene a couple were going at it hammer and tongs in the kitchen - plates and cutlery were crashing, the sink was creaking and the guy's head practically being pushed out the window! I now feel I have an in-depth appreciation of the power of Ennis' hip thrusts! LOL ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 19, 2006, 07:41:26 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on September 19, 2006, 07:22:47 pm
This is getting a bit incestuous. Kirsten Dunst used to be Jake Gyllenhaal's girlfriend!

Just an aside. Last night I watched an episode of "Queer as Folk" on TV and was amazed at how explicit the sex scenes are. In one scene a couple were going at it hammer and tongs in the kitchen - plates and cutlery were crashing, the sink was creaking and the guy's head practically being pushed out the window! I now feel I have an in-depth appreciation of the power of Ennis' hip thrusts! LOL ;D ;D


LOL magic mountain... I think I know exactly which episode of QAF you're talking about... did it happen to be Michael and Ben after they move into their new house?

Yes, QAF is very explicit, and quite lovely  ::) I'm in love with Brian and Justin... ok, sorry to get so off topic!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 19, 2006, 07:49:20 pm
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/tom.jpg)

Injured Ellery looking wistful in his little black robe.

PS Yes that was the episode in question littleguitar (love your moniker!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on September 19, 2006, 07:52:15 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 19, 2006, 06:59:02 pm
Francine, hmnn...  how bout a young Julia Stiles?

Cue Twilight Zone music. My daughter was watching a movie last night that starred Julia Stiles, and it struck me how much she looked like Heath Ledger. She could definitely play his daughter! Can someone post a pic?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 19, 2006, 07:55:38 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on September 19, 2006, 07:49:20 pm
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/tom.jpg)

Injured Ellery looking wistful in his little black robe.



That's a perfect picture of Ellery for these chapters.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 19, 2006, 08:00:41 pm
Quote from: notBastet on September 19, 2006, 06:59:02 pm
Francine, hmnn... I think she should be sweet and likeable. ...  how bout a young Julia Stiles?  blond Anna Paquin?


But isn't Julia Stiles Heath's love interest in 10 Things I Hate About You?  If so, it's a weird feeling having her as Francine.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 19, 2006, 08:20:04 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on September 19, 2006, 07:49:20 pm
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/tom.jpg)

Injured Ellery looking wistful in his little black robe.

That pic is perfect!

Quote
PS Yes that was the episode in question littleguitar (love your moniker!)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Phillip Dampier on September 19, 2006, 09:03:10 pm
Folks... I am working on a way to move this thread into the Fan Fiction forum while retaining its original URL so that people coming here from an external link will have no problems finding it.

The Ennis & Ellery thread began prior to appointing a new team to run our Fan Fiction forum, and it sort of got grandfathered into CT.  I would like to keep all of the great fan fiction items together in one place for our users to find it more easily.  In fact, I would like to expand the concept of the Fan Fiction forum beyond just "fan fiction" but also to be a writer's forum in more general terms where people can share their stories and ideas both about the movie and other things happening in their lives.

I'd like to thank Louisev and Mainewriter for doing such a great job with the Fan Fiction forum and this very popular story.  I am hoping our Fall Season and rollout of some new things here will make our site even more inviting and useful to folks.

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 19, 2006, 09:04:08 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 19, 2006, 01:53:50 pm
I was going to comment on the syringe, something along the lines of WTF? LOL

Now to me, this is Nadine:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/candystriper.jpg)


Young, candystriper, forgot everything they taught her in orientation about confidentiality...

Leslie


Yes ME too!! SHe looks snippy enough as well as the right profession!  Good find on that one just my own opinion too--but I totally agree.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 09:05:17 pm
Since Kirsten and Julia are 'too close for comfort' .. here is Anna Paquin!  She works for me!

(http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/p/paquin/20040122_kri_e66_518.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 19, 2006, 09:08:22 pm
Quote from: Phillip on September 19, 2006, 09:03:10 pm
I'd like to thank Louisev and Mainewriter for doing such a great job with the Fan Fiction forum and this very popular story.  I am hoping our Fall Season and rollout of some new things here will make our site even more inviting and useful to folks.

Many thanks!

Looking forward to the fall season too Phillip!  :)
Cheers.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 19, 2006, 09:10:12 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 19, 2006, 09:05:17 pm
Since Kirsten and Julia are 'too close for comfort' .. here is Anna Paquin!  She works for me!

(http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/p/paquin/20040122_kri_e66_518.jpg)

Anna Paquin is a good choice... she also looks a bit like Alma Jr... I'll vote for her!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 19, 2006, 09:34:57 pm
Quote from: JennyC on September 19, 2006, 02:46:17 pm
I am back from my vacation and here to report to E&E thread.  ;D

Glad to see that you guys added another 70 some pages since I left and few more devoted E&E fans (including the honorable Madlori!).  One thing that I managed to do during my vacation is to stay up-to-date on Laramie Sage.  I really enjoy the new book.


Hi, Jenny

I wasn't aware you're into LS, too.  Great to see you here.  Welcome back from one Chinese to another.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 12:24:40 am
Thanx, littleguitar!
I'm gonna give this a try.  This is a test - if it works you'll see a picture of the inside of a horse stable.  I thought it could represent where Nellie saved Ennis from Worrell.  (Hey, I'm trying to stay on topic. LOL.)
Here goes:  *keeping fingers crossed*

(http://)

Oops - I'm lost, Copy and Paste didn't work.  What do I do after clicking on insert image?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 20, 2006, 12:31:23 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 19, 2006, 09:05:17 pm
Since Kirsten and Julia are 'too close for comfort' .. here is Anna Paquin!  She works for me!

(http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/p/paquin/20040122_kri_e66_518.jpg)
i agree lucise she is great...could very easily be a sister to our junior
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 03:46:54 am
Quote from: yb on September 19, 2006, 07:55:38 pm
That's a perfect picture of Ellery for these chapters.
I agree! Absolutely perfect *sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 03:50:22 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 19, 2006, 09:05:17 pm
Since Kirsten and Julia are 'too close for comfort' .. here is Anna Paquin!  She works for me!

(http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/p/paquin/20040122_kri_e66_518.jpg)
Works for me too Milli!

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 20, 2006, 03:52:09 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 12:24:40 am
Thanx, littleguitar!
I'm gonna give this a try.  This is a test - if it works you'll see a picture of the inside of a horse stable.  I thought it could represent where Nellie saved Ennis from Worrell.  (Hey, I'm trying to stay on topic. LOL.)
Here goes:  *keeping fingers crossed*

[img]http://[/ img]

Oops - I'm lost, Copy and Paste didn't work.  What do I do after clicking on insert image?


Get a Photobucket account. www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com) Once you upload your pics copy the links provided by the site. You'll see the links below each picture. Copy and paste the one that begins and ends like this [img]  [/ img] 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 03:54:09 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 19, 2006, 07:22:47 pm
This is getting a bit incestuous. Kirsten Dunst used to be Jake Gyllenhaal's girlfriend!

Just an aside. Last night I watched an episode of "Queer as Folk" on TV and was amazed at how explicit the sex scenes are. In one scene a couple were going at it hammer and tongs in the kitchen - plates and cutlery were crashing, the sink was creaking and the guy's head practically being pushed out the window! I now feel I have an in-depth appreciation of the power of Ennis' hip thrusts! LOL ;D ;D
LOLLOL!
 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 20, 2006, 04:10:00 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 03:54:09 am
LOLLOL!
 ;D  ;D  ;D

We wouldnt mind having an in-depth appreciation of Ennis,s hip thrusts would we June? ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 04:57:26 am
Quote from: souxi on September 20, 2006, 04:10:00 am
We wouldnt mind having an in-depth appreciation of Ennis,s hip thrusts would we June? ;) ;)
No....we wouldn't mind AT ALL.....Yummy!  :o  :laugh:



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 05:48:13 am
what wonderful pictures!  While I am still favoring the lighter-skinned Kirsten Dunst for Francine, you guys are the readers and you can do whatever you like.... you will anyway!

Today is going to be tough, since I am condemned to the test room to make a political statement to our customer that we developers are right in there shoveling with them, to help our future prospects here as external contractors, and we are wrestling with (fortunately not my) bugs.  So while I am ever-hopeful of getting new chapters done and keeping on the two chapter a day minimum, today is looking a little...

IFFY.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 20, 2006, 05:52:59 am
Francine does not look like Alma Jr. This is Louise's description of Francine:

Quote
The door opened, and Junior came in, followed by the just-as slender younger sister, eyes shining with that same molten brown intensity, dark blond curls forming a cap of hair around her pale face – a feminine copy of Ennis.

That's why I picked that pic of Kirsten Dunst. She kinda fits the description in that particular picture. But if you think the fact that she was Jake's girlfriend is a problem, here is Julia Stiles. I know she was with Heath in 10 things I Hate About You, but come on he is not playing Ennis in that movie.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/juliastile.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/juliastiles1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 05:56:09 am
I love that blond hair and brown eyes combination ... very alluring isnt it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 20, 2006, 07:15:25 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 20, 2006, 05:52:59 am
Francine does not look like Alma Jr. This is Louise's description of Francine:

That's why I picked that pic of Kirsten Dunst. She kinda fits the description in that particular picture. But if you think the fact that she was Jake's girlfriend is a problem, here is Julia Stiles. I know she was with Heath in 10 things I Hate About You, but come on he is not playing Ennis in that movie.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/juliastile.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/juliastiles1.jpg)

Maybe not - but at odd moments I could see Ennis shining through!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 07:56:37 am
Quote from: Lucise on September 19, 2006, 06:38:14 pm
Err..Christie ..could you scan all the pics from that pressbook and post here?  :D
Ok..not all the pics, but a few..
Ok..even one would be fine ..;)

Hi Lucise.  I would be more than happy to scan and post the pics from the pressbook here, I just need to figure out how the scanner works.   ???

btw, I'm not sure I said this when I first registered - but I comment on Louise's lj and I'm poppyhoney over there.  Just so you know.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 20, 2006, 08:07:42 am
Quote from: christie wood on September 17, 2006, 03:27:16 pm
Hi everyone

I've just registered here after catching up on Louise's amazing story.  It took me over a week of long, late nights but it was worth it.  :)

I just love this story so much, and I love Ellery.  He is such a wonderful character.  And yes, I think I have a crush on him too.  ;) 

I doubt I'll have chance to catch up on the thread though - I mean, 200+ pages is a lot of pages!!!    :o  But I hope to be here and join in with your chats over the latest chapters.  I am a member of ennisjack.com where there is a thread dedicated to the Laramie Saga and I tend to leave comments over there too.  Louise really does have a lot of fans all over the place!




I believe I haven't properly welcomed you. Welcome to Bettermost and to out little Laramie Saga community!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 10:32:37 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 20, 2006, 08:07:42 am
I believe I haven't properly welcomed you. Welcome to Bettermost and to out little Laramie Saga community!  :D

Hi opinionista.. Thanks for the lovely welcome.  Its great to be here.  Are you opinionista on Louise's lj?  I think I've seen you there.

I'm loving this story so much I cant begin to tell you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 20, 2006, 10:45:09 am
Hi Christie. Welcome to Bettermost. Hope you enjoy your stay. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 10:55:51 am
Wow, 412 pages!  How did that happen? ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 10:57:15 am
Quote from: souxi on September 20, 2006, 04:10:00 am
We wouldnt mind having an in-depth appreciation of Ennis,s hip thrusts would we June? ;) ;)

oh my goodness!  I suppose I have to go into detail in the next getting fancy chapter!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 11:03:24 am
Oooo, I just found the Attach thingy under additional options.
Second attempt:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 11:06:18 am
Yay, me!  It actually worked.  I'm so excited I forgot to mention the above picture could be a representation of Wes's stable where Ennis got confronted by Worrell.
Yee-haw!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 20, 2006, 11:11:41 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 11:03:24 am
Oooo, I just found the Attach thingy under additional options.
Second attempt:


This is a nice pic! Thanks navyvet  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 11:18:08 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 11:06:18 am
Yay, me!  It actually worked.  I'm so excited I forgot to mention the above picture could be a representation of Wes's stable where Ennis got confronted by Worrell.
Yee-haw!  ;D

That is a wonderful pic!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 11:18:52 am
Quote from: souxi on September 20, 2006, 10:45:09 am
Hi Christie. Welcome to Bettermost. Hope you enjoy your stay. :) :)

Thanks souxi, I'm really enjoying it, everyone's so welcoming!

And I always enjoy reading your comments on Louise's lj!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 11:21:54 am
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 10:57:15 am
oh my goodness!  I suppose I have to go into detail in the next getting fancy chapter!

Is that a promise, Louise?  Don't tease us, please!   :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 11:39:07 am
Thanx opinionista and christie!   :-*
Not bad for a brain-damaged Vet, huh.  I have really major memory and concentration problems due to my PTSD, so I'm feeling quite accomplished today.  My next project is to figure out how to actually USE the LJ account that I managed to sign up for and I've been reading lots of FAQ pages.  It's all a bit overwhelming.  There's nothing much there yet, but I hope to upload my fanfics at some point, eventually.
I'm actually starting to feel comfortable getting around this forum.  I learned how to PM and everything!

Having a great time here and keeping up with the discussions and updates of the outstanding Laramie Saga!

*Hugs*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on September 20, 2006, 11:57:08 am
I have enjoyed the whole Laramie Saga, and have segments that stick out as my favorites.  Previously, a highlight for me was when Ellery was having a hard time with Beagle and Ennis held him back from going to confront him. (I sadly forget which book and chapter).  It stands out as a highlight to me of previous works. 
Currently, I really totally am enjoying all the family aspects of what is happening in Riverton. An was really thrilled at the way Ellery and JR may be working on Ennis.
Too Cool. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 20, 2006, 12:13:16 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 11:21:54 am
Is that a promise, Louise?  Don't tease us, please!   :'(
                                                                                                                                                           thanks for all your effort i could see it was                               very difficult.                                                                                                                                                                               janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 20, 2006, 12:18:02 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on September 20, 2006, 12:13:16 pm
                                                                                                                                                           thanks for all your effort i could see it was                               very difficult.                                                                                                                                                                               janice
     meant that to tag navyvet......sorry
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 20, 2006, 12:19:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 10:57:15 am
oh my goodness!  I suppose I have to go into detail in the next getting fancy chapter!

Yup. And we want GORY  details please........GORY...with PLENTY of hip thrusts too. Dont we June? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 20, 2006, 12:19:53 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 11:03:24 am
Oooo, I just found the Attach thingy under additional options.
Second attempt:

                        thanks for all your efforts.  it is beautiful..                                                   janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 12:31:32 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 20, 2006, 12:19:06 pm
Yup. And we want GORY  details please........GORY...with PLENTY of hip thrusts too. Dont we June? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Now don't go blamin June, it ain't her fault.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Phillip Dampier on September 20, 2006, 12:33:34 pm
Attention Users: Sometime later today, this thread will be moved, intact, to our Fan Fiction forum.  If you have bookmarked the thread's URL in your favorites, there is no need to change anything.  That bookmark will take you to this thread in its new home.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 20, 2006, 12:49:03 pm
Quote from: gn411 on September 20, 2006, 11:57:08 am
I have enjoyed the whole Laramie Saga, and have segments that stick out as my favorites.  Previously, a highlight for me was when Ellery was having a hard time with Beagle and Ennis held him back from going to confront him. (I sadly forget which book and chapter).  It stands out as a highlight to me of previous works. 
Currently, I really totally am enjoying all the family aspects of what is happening in Riverton. An was really thrilled at the way Ellery and JR may be working on Ennis.
Too Cool. 

I wouldnt mind working on Ennis... you wouldnt either would you June? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 20, 2006, 12:51:21 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 12:31:32 pm
Now don't go blamin June, it ain't her fault.

But,but,but she encourages me!! And anyway, it,s all YOUR fault in the first place. We NEVER used to have naughty thoughts before we started reading the LS did we June? ahem,  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 01:25:10 pm
Fine fine, it's my fault.  This foolishness will soon be coming to an end, since I am typity type typing up chapter 54.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 01:32:51 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/117062.html  "Chapter 54:  Accident"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 01:53:44 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 20, 2006, 12:51:21 pm
But,but,but she encourages me!! And anyway, it,s all YOUR fault in the first place. We NEVER used to have naughty thoughts before we started reading the LS did we June? ahem,  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Hmmmmm....... ;D  :P  :-X

RLMAO! I encourage YOU souxi?!?  :laugh:  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 01:56:50 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 12:31:32 pm
Now don't go blamin June, it ain't her fault.
Hehehehe

We DO souxi?!?  ;D



Yes please Louise.....!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 01:59:38 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 11:39:07 am
Thanx opinionista and christie!   :-*
Not bad for a brain-damaged Vet, huh.  I have really major memory and concentration problems due to my PTSD, so I'm feeling quite accomplished today.  My next project is to figure out how to actually USE the LJ account that I managed to sign up for and I've been reading lots of FAQ pages.  It's all a bit overwhelming.  There's nothing much there yet, but I hope to upload my fanfics at some point, eventually.
I'm actually starting to feel comfortable getting around this forum.  I learned how to PM and everything!

Having a great time here and keeping up with the discussions and updates of the outstanding Laramie Saga!

*Hugs*
*Hugs* back to you too Navyvet  :)
So glad you are having such a wonderful time!
Look forward to reading your fanfics!

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 20, 2006, 02:00:01 pm
One definite bonus of E&E moved to this forum.. We are now closer to the gallery .. ;)


Speaking of pix .. here are 3 men I like to look at ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/LH/25b34fe5.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/d48b5b3d-1.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Jake/80d15b64.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 20, 2006, 02:00:55 pm
As you can see, the thread has been moved but everything is here, intact. Nothing will change...life goes on with pictures, comments, photo galleries, recipes, squees and more.

And in one fell swoop, fanfic has suddenly become the 5th most popular forum at bettermost, up from 9th.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 02:04:24 pm
Oh, SO deelicious and gorgeous and yummy Milli, I could go on like this forever and ever.........  ;D

Thanks! Yet again!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 02:06:08 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 20, 2006, 02:00:55 pm
As you can see, the thread has been moved but everything is here, intact. Nothing will change...life goes on with pictures, comments, photo galleries, recipes, squees and more.

And in one fell swoop, fanfic has suddenly become the 5th most popular forum at bettermost, up from 9th.

Leslie
SQUEEEEEEE!!!

Sorry Lucise!  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 02:09:23 pm
I just posted an announcement for readers to join in the Fan Fiction discussions and to join the E & E thread here at Fan Fiction Central.  With your help and enthusiasm, we can bring BBM Fan Fiction into the limelight and encourage authors of all genres of fan fic as well as original stories, to post them here in the Fan Fic area!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 20, 2006, 02:21:59 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 01:59:38 pm
*Hugs* back to you too Navyvet  :)
So glad you are having such a wonderful time!
Look forward to reading your fanfics!

 :)

Hey June I,ve had a brilliant idea. Maybe if Navynet is going to start writing fanfic, she could do one with "that" dream of mine!!! :o :o and yes you do encourage me missy LOL. All these carnal thoughts I have are blatently encouraged by you LOL.(not that I mind though, they are quite nice carnal thoughts actually lol. ;)  ) *SIGH*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 02:29:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 02:09:23 pm
I just posted an announcement for readers to join in the Fan Fiction discussions and to join the E & E thread here at Fan Fiction Central.  With your help and enthusiasm, we can bring BBM Fan Fiction into the limelight and encourage authors of all genres of fan fic as well as original stories, to post them here in the Fan Fic area!


Believe me I've been trying Louise!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 02:34:54 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 20, 2006, 02:21:59 pm
Hey June I,ve had a brilliant idea. Maybe if Navynet is going to start writing fanfic, she could do one with "that" dream of mine!!! :o :o and yes you do encourage me missy LOL. All these carnal thoughts I have are blatently encouraged by you LOL.(not that I mind though, they are quite nice carnal thoughts actually lol. ;)  ) *SIGH*
Hahaha souxi darlin, I don't think so, LOL "THAT" dream is WAAAAY too, uhm....naughty.....?!!

 ;D  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 20, 2006, 02:35:52 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 02:06:08 pm
SQUEEEEEEE!!!

Sorry Lucise!  ;D  ;)

BigH  - you have one of the most bubbly personalities on here ..and that's great!!
..so no apologies ever needed  ;D  Squee away!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 03:39:13 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 20, 2006, 02:35:52 pm
BigH  - you have one of the most bubbly personalities on here ..and that's great!!
..so no apologies ever needed  ;D  Squee away!
Aww Milli, that's such a lovely compliment!
Thank you!!  :)
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 04:08:50 pm
*typity typity type.*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 04:18:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 04:08:50 pm
*typity typity type.*
I can hardly wait Louise.................
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 04:35:22 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"


http://louisev.livejournal.com/117307.html  "Chapter 55:  Cripples"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 20, 2006, 05:13:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 04:35:22 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"


http://louisev.livejournal.com/117307.html  "Chapter 55:  Cripples"


Oh man, two chapters posted and I'm at work late tonight and I promised a chapter of my own fic tonight as well  :-\

What's an obsessed fan to do??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 20, 2006, 05:16:33 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 20, 2006, 05:13:54 pm
Oh man, two chapters posted and I'm at work late tonight and I promised a chapter of my own fic tonight as well  :-\

What's an obsessed fan to do??

Ha ha, make a face like the one that's over on your avatar!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 05:21:36 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 20, 2006, 05:13:54 pm
Oh man, two chapters posted and I'm at work late tonight and I promised a chapter of my own fic tonight as well  :-\

What's an obsessed fan to do??
You write too, littleguitar??
Where can I find your fics?
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 20, 2006, 05:25:30 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 05:21:36 pm
You write too, littleguitar??
Where can I find your fics?
 :)

Yep, there's a link here on the fanfic page, look for the story called "That Little Bit of Hope", should be just a few below this one... 4 chapters so far, it's an AU, under the LJ screenname "minchout"  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 05:28:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 04:35:22 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"


http://louisev.livejournal.com/117307.html  "Chapter 55:  Cripples"



SPOILER-ISH




Awwww. Totally gorgeous chapter.  I'm glad Ennis and Junior didnt get to go to the pictures, it means we get to see more of Ellery.

I think I may be in love with Ellery.    ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 05:33:16 pm
you MAY be?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 05:33:48 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on September 20, 2006, 05:25:30 pm
Yep, there's a link here on the fanfic page, look for the story called "That Little Bit of Hope", should be just a few below this one... 4 chapters so far, it's an AU, under the LJ screenname "minchout"  :)
Oh, thanks! I never knew you wrote!
I'll check it out tomorrow morning  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 05:36:52 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 05:33:16 pm
you MAY be?
Hehehehe  ;D
Join the club Christie,  ;D most of us here are totally sweet on Ellery!! I know I am! F'sure!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 06:27:43 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 05:36:52 pm
Hehehehe  ;D
Join the club Christie,  ;D most of us here are totally sweet on Ellery!! I know I am! F'sure!  ;D

I had a feeling that I wasnt the only one.  ;)

I do tend to gush whenever I talk about Ellery.  And gushing isnt normally my thing. I mean, I'm British!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 20, 2006, 06:37:13 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 06:27:43 pm
I had a feeling that I wasnt the only one.  ;)

I do tend to gush whenever I talk about Ellery.  And gushing isnt normally my thing. I mean, I'm British!  :laugh:


mmmmmm Ellery... I think he's my current literature crush, I've always liked 'em tall and thin with dark hair and light eyes, Louise it's like you were in my mind when you wrote that man!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 06:38:22 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 20, 2006, 06:27:43 pm
I had a feeling that I wasnt the only one.  ;)

I do tend to gush whenever I talk about Ellery.  And gushing isnt normally my thing. I mean, I'm British!  :laugh:
RLMAO!
Well, I'm half British so I know exactly what you mean!  ;D
I became a "gusher" (I think I just made up that word! lol) ever since Jack, Ennis and Ellery. And I can gush over Dupree too!  ;D
Any chance of a Red Stallion chapter dedicated totally to Dupree, Louise??  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 20, 2006, 07:09:02 pm
Oh Dupree is going to be featured in the next book, indeed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 20, 2006, 08:15:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 07:09:02 pm
Oh Dupree is going to be featured in the next book, indeed.

Something to do with Jeeves?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 20, 2006, 09:57:48 pm
OK. What's gonna happen if Ellery gets well enough for foolin' around but Junior is still confined to the house?

By the way, Alma should count her lucky stars she wasn't married to ex-Governor McGreevey. He recently told Oprah that his wife only discovered he was gay when he announced it in a press conference. Asked how she was coping, he said she "was in transition"! I wonder if that could describe Alma's current state?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 20, 2006, 10:03:28 pm
Quote from: gn411 on September 20, 2006, 11:57:08 am
I have enjoyed the whole Laramie Saga, and have segments that stick out as my favorites.  Previously, a highlight for me was when Ellery was having a hard time with Beagle and Ennis held him back from going to confront him. (I sadly forget which book and chapter).  It stands out as a highlight to me of previous works. 
Currently, I really totally am enjoying all the family aspects of what is happening in Riverton. An was really thrilled at the way Ellery and JR may be working on Ennis.
Too Cool. 

I second this.  Before that time, it had always been Ellery offering support to Ennis at times of his distress, it was the first time that Ellery showed his vulnerability and Ennis was there to support and comfort him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 10:05:03 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 20, 2006, 02:34:54 pm
Hahaha souxi darlin, I don't think so, LOL "THAT" dream is WAAAAY too, uhm....naughty.....?!!

 ;D  ;D  :-*

Oh, You have no idea! :laugh:
It takes a lot to squirk me.  In fact, I have very few fanfic peeves.  I don't read Character Death fic (when it's not canon), Mpregs, anime, or really badly written fic where the author doesn't even bother to spell-check or proof-read.  (I know we've all seen some of those out there.)

I'm an amateur when it comes to writing - I'm not even qualified to carry Louise's laptop across the street, as the saying goes.  I'm very slow at it, and I've never written BBM, though I've had this huge plot bunny in my head for months that just won't leave me alone.
In fact, I only have three works to date: 2 short stories - a JAG gen fic and a JAG/NCIS adult slash PWP.  I've been working on my JAG novel for forever, a dark WIP with around 210,000 words so far.  The feedback I've gotten has been very encouraging.  If anyone's curious, my work is archived here:
http://www.squidge.org/~peja/cgi-bin/viewuser.php?uid=104

Hope it's okay to do that. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 02:12:31 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 20, 2006, 09:57:48 pm
OK. What's gonna happen if Ellery gets well enough for foolin' around but Junior is still confined to the house?


Hmmm, good question.
Somehow I don't see them checking into The Best Western for a couple of hours, I think Ennis will be too embarassed to do that after what happened at the hospital....so I don't know but it sure looks like Junior will be hanging around for a few days! I guess they'll just have to be really really quiet!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 02:20:41 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 20, 2006, 10:05:03 pm
Oh, You have no idea! :laugh:
It takes a lot to squirk me.  In fact, I have very few fanfic peeves.  I don't read Character Death fic (when it's not canon), Mpregs, anime, or really badly written fic where the author doesn't even bother to spell-check or proof-read.  (I know we've all seen some of those out there.)

I'm an amateur when it comes to writing - I'm not even qualified to carry Louise's laptop across the street, as the saying goes.  I'm very slow at it, and I've never written BBM, though I've had this huge plot bunny in my head for months that just won't leave me alone.
In fact, I only have three works to date: 2 short stories - a JAG gen fic and a JAG/NCIS adult slash PWP.  I've been working on my JAG novel for forever, a dark WIP with around 210,000 words so far.  The feedback I've gotten has been very encouraging.  If anyone's curious, my work is archived here:
http://www.squidge.org/~peja/cgi-bin/viewuser.php?uid=104

Hope it's okay to do that. ;)
Thanks for the link Navyvet!  :)

I guess souxi will have to get in touch with you! LOL!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 21, 2006, 02:37:24 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 02:12:31 am
Hmmm, good question.
Somehow I don't see them checking into The Best Western for a couple of hours, I think Ennis will be too embarassed to do that after what happened at the hospital....so I don't know but it sure looks like Junior will be hanging around for a few days! I guess they'll just have to be really really quiet!  :D

I doubt if they could keep quiet, we'll have to think about something so that they can go at it; otherwise I'm afraid they'll die from sexual frustration.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 02:37:51 am
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 07:09:02 pm
Oh Dupree is going to be featured in the next book, indeed.
*disappointed sigh*
Nothing a bit sooner??

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 02:41:29 am
Quote from: yb on September 21, 2006, 02:37:24 am
I doubt if they could keep quiet, we'll have to think about something so that they can go at it; otherwise I'm afraid they'll die from sexual frustration.

Hehehe, I agree, that's gonna be real tough! It could be part of the fun though!  ;D
I've been racking my brain but can't come up with anything atm, it's still pretty early here, need to wake up a bit more!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 21, 2006, 04:26:25 am
Quote from: yb on September 20, 2006, 08:15:13 pm
Something to do with Jeeves?


Nuh huh. No more clues.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 21, 2006, 04:48:00 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 20, 2006, 09:57:48 pm
OK. What's gonna happen if Ellery gets well enough for foolin' around but Junior is still confined to the house?

Alma jr. has other people who care about her. Her mother and sister for instance. So, I guess when Ellery gets better, maybe Alma and Francine take care of Junior. Or Perhaps Ennis and Ellery decide to stay in Riverton and ride their horses there. But we'll see what the author has in store for us!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 21, 2006, 04:59:12 am
Quote from: louisev on September 20, 2006, 07:09:02 pm
Oh Dupree is going to be featured in the next book, indeed.

Oh goody, I like Dupree. 

Not as much as Ellery, but I think you know that!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 21, 2006, 05:06:09 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 20, 2006, 09:57:48 pm
OK. What's gonna happen if Ellery gets well enough for foolin' around but Junior is still confined to the house?

By the way, Alma should count her lucky stars she wasn't married to ex-Governor McGreevey. He recently told Oprah that his wife only discovered he was gay when he announced it in a press conference. Asked how she was coping, he said she "was in transition"! I wonder if that could describe Alma's current state?



Really good question magicmountain.  Ennis is not going to be able to control himself if Ellery is well enough to get fancy but not able to do anything about it because of Junior.

But they did have that kind of problem when Junior came to stay with them, didnt they?  Weren't socks used as a silencer?  They may have to do that again.  I'm sure Ennis will do just about anything if it means getting Ellery into bed.

Talking of the time Junior came to stay, I found the whole thing of Ennis and Ellery doing it against the outside of the house very erotic and very hot.  There's nothing finer than when Ennis wants it and just has to take Ellery "in hand".  ;)  Oh, and dont get me started on the licking...... :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 05:36:18 am
Quote from: christie wood on September 21, 2006, 05:06:09 am

Talking of the time Junior came to stay, I found the whole thing of Ennis and Ellery doing it against the outside of the house very erotic and very hot.  There's nothing finer than when Ennis wants it and just has to take Ellery "in hand".  ;)  Oh, and dont get me started on the licking...... :P
OH YES, Christie! That was so, so hot!
Hehe, yes the licking, and biting, and.......... :P  ;)

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 21, 2006, 05:47:40 am
I had completely forgotten about the socks!  I was thinking of using a wad of cloth but thought it'd be rather weird.  OK, since there's precedence, I guess it'll not be a problem if Jr would still be confined at home, right? Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 21, 2006, 06:06:39 am
Quote from: yb on September 21, 2006, 05:47:40 am
I had completely forgotten about the socks!  I was thinking of using a wad of cloth but thought it'd be rather weird.  OK, since there's precedence, I guess it'll not be a problem if Jr would still be confined at home, right? Louise!


How about a bandana? He could gag him with it..that would make things erm interesting, after he,s tied him up of course so he cant move. We wouldnt want him to strain his ribs any more would we? So the less he can move about the better. I,ve only got his best interests at heart, havnt I June?  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 21, 2006, 06:26:28 am
Good Lord, everyones rather frisky in here!

Missing the 'getting fancy' as much as the boys are eh? Souxi, I'm in agreement about the medicinal bondage. It's only for his own benefit!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 21, 2006, 06:28:29 am
Feed the man meat*

Ennis and Ellery met one day
and had a mad affair
These boys were always on the go
their bottoms in the air

But Ennis and Ellery
were frustrated
Ellery incapacitated
Ennis discombobulated
Never once their lust abated

Ennis soon crawled up the walls
Unable to subdue his balls
He had to disappear to beat off
Only way to keep the heat off
scaring Nellie in the stalls

Ennis sought a quick solution
to his body’s woe
He found some liver in the fridge
and humped it high and low

But none of this was good enough
his anguish to unlock
Ellery’s ass was the holy grail
for Ennis and his c**k

Then one bright and sunny day
Ellery felt reborn
His back was healed
His rib congealed
His bottom in fine form

He smiled at Ennis
winked, thumbs up
and then he did declare
that humping season had resumed
and Ennis punched the air!

Days went by when finally
emerging with a shiver
Ellery staggered to the fridge
and grabbed a pound of liver
He tossed it through the bedroom door
and said if Ennis wanted more
the butcher could deliver.

* Australian Meat Board advertising slogan
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 21, 2006, 06:40:41 am
oh my lord, Jo, that was... unbelievable. I am cracking up ... BADLY!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 06:45:49 am
Quote from: souxi on September 21, 2006, 06:06:39 am
How about a bandana? He could gag him with it..that would make things erm interesting, after he,s tied him up of course so he cant move. We wouldnt want him to strain his ribs any more would we? So the less he can move about the better. I,ve only got his best interests at heart, havnt I June?  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Oh yes you have souxi, you are such a good girl!!  ;D  ;)
Agree with the bandana too and tying him up could work too. He does enjoy that now and then, doesn't he Louise??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 06:48:20 am
Quote from: louisev on September 21, 2006, 06:40:41 am
oh my lord, Jo, that was... unbelievable. I am cracking up ... BADLY!
I agree, it was pretty amazing!
Hilarious and really really good!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 21, 2006, 06:48:46 am
'Feed the man meat'

OMG
I'm glad i'm alone in the room, laughing out loud
I mean, how do you explain all this??

that was hilarious magicmountain!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 21, 2006, 06:57:52 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on September 21, 2006, 06:48:46 am
'Feed the man meat'

OMG
I'm glad i'm alone in the room, laughing out loud
I mean, how do you explain all this??

that was hilarious magicmountain!  :laugh:


Hahaha yes me too, that was brilliant Magicmountain, I,m cracking up here lol.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 21, 2006, 06:59:55 am
We know that Ennis and Ellery are pretty vocal lovers, but are they *always* shouting at the top of their lungs and shaking the house of its foundation? I mean, in my own experience, there have been plenty of times I have gotten it on in a major way, but those people outside of the bedroom (ie, my children) don't know it. At least I don't think so....

Seriously, I would think they could find a way to discreetly make love, even if Junior is sleeping in the room down the hall. Those boys certainly don't lack imagination in any other part of their lovemaking.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 21, 2006, 07:08:01 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 21, 2006, 06:28:29 am
Feed the man meat*

<snip>...

Days went by when finally
emerging with a shiver
Ellery staggered to the fridge
and grabbed a pound of liver
He tossed it through the bedroom door
and said if Ennis wanted more
the butcher could deliver.


Oh, Jo, that is great and deserves an image....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_liver_pieces.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/liver_pieces.jpg)

EDIT: to make the picture smaller. Same image, perhaps a little less liverish?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 21, 2006, 07:10:00 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 21, 2006, 07:08:01 am
Oh, Jo, that is great and deserves an image....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_liver_pieces.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/liver_pieces.jpg)




eeeww. I hate liver!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 07:30:26 am
OMG - It really does look disgusting  :(

Sorry Leslie, it's a great pic and I do appreciate the effort but it does make my stomach turn!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 21, 2006, 07:33:51 am
Thanks one and all!

That photo made me feel - liverish!

Actually I do like a bit of liver and bacon when its cooked.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 21, 2006, 08:49:49 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 06:45:49 am
Oh yes you have souxi, you are such a good girl!!  ;D  ;)
Agree with the bandana too and tying him up could work too. He does enjoy that now and then, doesn't he Louise??


uh... yeah.  No doubt there.  Good thing there's a latch on the door, huh?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 21, 2006, 09:54:36 am
Good morning all!

1.  Re: Feed the Man Meat - too funny!  Loved it!   :laugh:

2.  Re:  E&E sex with Junior in the house - The bandana gag and bondage idea sounds HAWWT!  Then again, having quiet sex on purpose when ya usually have loud sex can be very hot and erotic, too.
Gee, I could go either way with this.   :-\   ;)   8)

3.  Finally figured out how to stay logged in.  The 'forever' option wasn't doing it - had to go into privacy and security settings and add Bettermost to allow list, etc, etc, yadda, yadda, and that worked.  Whew!

4.  I should probably go explore other areas of Bettermost, but I'm SO addicted to LS and E&E.  Maybe later.  *smirk*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 21, 2006, 10:00:19 am
Quote from: souxi on September 21, 2006, 06:06:39 am
How about a bandana? He could gag him with it..that would make things erm interesting, after he,s tied him up of course so he cant move. We wouldnt want him to strain his ribs any more would we? So the less he can move about the better. I,ve only got his best interests at heart, havnt I June?  ;) ;) ;) ;)

The bandana is good, I like that.  A lot sexier than the socks anyway.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 21, 2006, 10:03:15 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 21, 2006, 06:28:29 am
Feed the man meat*

Ennis and Ellery met one day
and had a mad affair
These boys were always on the go
their bottoms in the air


* Australian Meat Board advertising slogan


Oh how funny!  Magicmountain, that was hilarious - you are very very talented!!!  Dont like the idea of liver though, urggh. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 21, 2006, 10:07:33 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 21, 2006, 09:54:36 am
Good morning all!

2.  Re:  E&E sex with Junior in the house - The bandana gag and bondage idea sounds HAWWT!  Then again, having quiet sex on purpose when ya usually have loud sex can be very hot and erotic, too.
Gee, I could go either way with this.   :-\   ;)   8)


Hi NavyVet. I have to say that the idea of Ennis and Ellery having intentional quiet sex would be VERY hot and erotic.  My mind is thinking all kinds now - all kinky and naughty things.   ;)   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 21, 2006, 10:35:15 am
I think that might take all of their concentration!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 21, 2006, 10:54:25 am
I believe someone we all know and love (ie, ME!) wrote a silent sex scene...

http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/20262.html

in case anyone is interested.

Leslie
---------> yes, that was a shameless plug and bit of self promotion!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on September 21, 2006, 11:08:19 am
On a more subdued note, 

When reading the last chapters, where Ennis and Alma were arguing about Ennis and Ellery’s relationship, I wanted Ennis to just tell Alma to “Grow Up”. But I had to remind myself that the story takes place in 1984, not today.  Sometimes I read the story with  2006 sensibilities. 

Also, I need to remember that this all takes place in the mid-west which is much more conservative than either of the coasts.  Ennis is sometime correct in his concern about what people think and what they might do. Ellery is sometimes very cavalier in his attitude and disposition of self.  Confident in a way that money and position afford.  I don’t think he fully appreciates yet Ennis’s position, or how much he has overcome. 

Ellery is very lucky to have Wes and Edna in his life, who are more forward thinking.
Ennis is really blessed that his daughters are so willing to accept his relationship with Ellery.  But they have not really been tested yet. And Ellery helping pay the college bills and giving Jr. a really cool El Camino does help to sweeten the deal. A lot.

Has anyone else had readjust their thinking to 1984?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 21, 2006, 12:03:01 pm
I finally managed to find a stats counter that runs on HTML pages and put it on chapter 55 of "The Long Way Home" and to my delighted shock, discovered in less than 3 hours, hits on last night's chapter went up to 120.  Subtracting my own refreshes, that is about 110 page hits in 3 hours.  *stunned*

We are not alone, folks.  Many of the visit sources I do not recognize, and there are quite a few originating inside Germany, Sweden, UK and of course US and Canada, which make up the bulk of hits.  There are a lot more people visiting my fic than I would have guessed even by my own most liberal estimates!

Oh and while I'm at it,

Here's a chapter update!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/117615.html  "Chapter 56:  Family Fun"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on September 21, 2006, 12:23:22 pm
Quote from: gn411 on September 21, 2006, 11:08:19 am
Has anyone else had readjust their thinking to 1984?

I lived in the Deep South (Georgia) in 1984, and that might have been 22 years ago but the social upheavals of the 1960s and 1970s were a done deal by that time. I assure you, "Grow up" as an expression of impatience was hardly a shocking one even in very conservative areas.

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Ennis is sometime correct in his concern about what people think and what they might do. Ellery is sometimes very cavalier in his attitude and disposition of self.  Confident in a way that money and position afford.  I don’t think he fully appreciates yet Ennis’s position, or how much he has overcome. 

I agree, there's a difference generated by economic status and education there as well. Ennis doesn't have the built-in security that people from middle- or upper-class backgrounds tend to have even when things aren't going their way.

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Ellery is very lucky to have Wes and Edna in his life, who are more forward thinking.  Ennis is really blessed that his daughters are so willing to accept his relationship with Ellery.  But they have not really been tested yet.

That could be a basis for future plot conflicts in later chapters, for sure.

BTW, I don't think Wyoming could be considered the Midwest.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on September 21, 2006, 12:29:56 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 21, 2006, 05:06:09 am
Talking of the time Junior came to stay, I found the whole thing of Ennis and Ellery doing it against the outside of the house very erotic and very hot. 

Well you know, where someone is keeping horses there's usually a barn.  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 21, 2006, 12:30:15 pm
oh man... I certainly signed on at a good time, images of Ellery bandanna gagged while Ennis has his way with him... sounds nice!

re: silent sex scenes, they can be incredibly erotic, I agree! One of my favorite movie sex scenes is a silent one, Enemy at the Gates with Jude Law and Rachel Weiz... I'll say no more here, but It's very sexy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 21, 2006, 12:40:51 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 21, 2006, 10:07:33 am
Hi NavyVet. I have to say that the idea of Ennis and Ellery having intentional quiet sex would be VERY hot and erotic.  My mind is thinking all kinds now - all kinky and naughty things.   ;)   

Me likes the way you think!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 21, 2006, 02:25:29 pm
I was at a Big Band concert last night and heard this song performed by a wonderful male vocalist.  I thought I'd share it, coz the lyrics remind me of Ennis and Ellery (though they could work for Jack and Ennis, too.)

My One True Friend   

And now, is it too late to say
How you made my life so different in your quiet way?
I can see the joy in simple things,
a sunlit sky and all the songs we used to sing.
I have walked and I have I prayed.
I could forgive and we could start again.
In the end,
you are my one true friend.
For all, all the times you closed your eyes,
allowing me to stumble or to be surprised,
by life, with all it's twists and turns.
I made mistakes, you always knew that I would learn.
And when I left, it's you who stayed.
You always knew that I'd come home again.
In the end,
you are my one true friend.
Though love may break, it never dies.
It changes shape, through changing eyes.
What I denied, I now can see.
You always were the light inside of me.
I know, I know, I know, I know it was you.
I have walked and I have I prayed.
I could forgive and we could start again.
In the end, you are my one true friend.
My one true friend.
I always, always knew,
I always knew that it was you,
my one true friend. 
 
*sigh*  I thought it was a beautiful and fitting song, but it was hard being on the audience end of things.  You see, I'd been in this band for the past 3+ years until very recently.  I had to quit playing sax due to dental problems flaring up again.  I left 2 other perfoming groups in the past couple of weeks, as well. Since being a musician is the only thing I've ever known how to do in my life, I miss it.  So, I've decided to learn the flute.  It arrived the other day.
Wish me luck! 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 02:50:10 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 21, 2006, 12:40:51 pm
Me likes the way you think!   ;)
Me too!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 21, 2006, 02:54:48 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 21, 2006, 02:25:29 pm
I was at a Big Band concert last night and heard this song performed by a wonderful male vocalist.  I thought I'd share it, coz the lyrics remind me of Ennis and Ellery (though they could work for Jack and Ennis, too.)

*sigh*  I thought it was a beautiful and fitting song, but it was hard being on the audience end of things.  You see, I'd been in this band for the past 3+ years until very recently.  I had to quit playing sax due to dental problems flaring up again.  I left 2 other perfoming groups in the past couple of weeks, as well. Since being a musician is the only thing I've ever known how to do in my life, I miss it.  So, I've decided to learn the flute.  It arrived the other day.
Wish me luck! 8)
This really was beautiful. Thank you so much  :)

I'm really sorry you had to quit playing sax  :( Hopefully playing the flute will be just as much fun  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 21, 2006, 03:14:22 pm
Quote from: gn411 on September 21, 2006, 11:08:19 am
On a more subdued note, 

When reading the last chapters, where Ennis and Alma were arguing about Ennis and Ellery’s relationship, I wanted Ennis to just tell Alma to “Grow Up”. But I had to remind myself that the story takes place in 1984, not today.  Sometimes I read the story with  2006 sensibilities. 

Also, I need to remember that this all takes place in the mid-west which is much more conservative than either of the coasts.  Ennis is sometime correct in his concern about what people think and what they might do. Ellery is sometimes very cavalier in his attitude and disposition of self.  Confident in a way that money and position afford.  I don’t think he fully appreciates yet Ennis’s position, or how much he has overcome. 



Has anyone else had readjust their thinking to 1984?


I live in the midwest-my state shares a border line with WY-(midwest and west at least here is determined by the Missouri River--East of it is Midwest and West of it is West River and people say that is where the west starts-but we are pretty close-and was living here in 1984---people would have been some shocked, but even back then---consenting adults---means consenting adults, and what happens between them is no bodys business but theirs---especially no business of anyone's EX wife!!
Even in the sticks-life is like anywhere else-drugs were here then--adultery is common, and affairs happen, and so does living in the midst of a few same sex couples. My hubby and married in '77 and we used to go to a special theater with midnight matines that showed XXX of all sorts on any given Saturday night.     I am still for telling her to mind her own business!!
We were in  the sticks and won't say it is common in any given county--but it was here just like it was everywhere only the numbers are lower due to lower population levels in general.
People may have been alittle more open about sniggering about it back then, because no one really understood unless you really knew people actually involved, and those were brave souls--but they were here too.      And in '84 there had started to be a lot more education about things like that.
After the 70s and Viet Nam, no one was truly innocent anymore, even out here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 21, 2006, 03:27:05 pm
Quote from: Marge_Innavera on September 21, 2006, 12:29:56 pm
Well you know, where someone is keeping horses there's usually a barn.  ::)

Outside for real is better than the barn!!!  Manure builds up in barns, and there is always loose dirt, straw, hay and the occasional burr, etc etc, its a pain in the butt!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 21, 2006, 03:34:15 pm
Leave it to a real Ranch gal to describe what REAL barn conditions are like!  Not the kind of place you want to take a man with a bruised rib for a little nookie on the sly!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 21, 2006, 03:44:18 pm
Here is an interesting article regarding current recommendations for AIDS testing from the CDC... (this is on topic because I was recently discussing whether E and E should really breathe a sigh of relief regarding their own status...)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14938109/
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 21, 2006, 03:45:41 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/117938.html  "Chapter 57:  Warpath"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 21, 2006, 04:02:31 pm
Chapter 57 Spoiler
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I think it is time that Alma junior got out of Riverton.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on September 21, 2006, 06:22:36 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on September 21, 2006, 04:02:31 pm
Chapter 57 Spoiler
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I think it is time that Alma junior got out of Riverton.

I think so, too, David!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 21, 2006, 06:41:35 pm
or get out a Dodge for that matter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 21, 2006, 06:53:12 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on September 21, 2006, 03:27:05 pm
Outside for real is better than the barn!!!  Manure builds up in barns, and there is always loose dirt, straw, hay and the occasional burr, etc etc, its a pain in the butt!

Ranchgal I love reading your insider's view of rural life in the US where this story is set. And it is fascinating regardless of the story!

PS Lucise do we have pictures of Junior's house and barn for the gallery?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 21, 2006, 10:51:20 pm
Oh, what fun!
I was trying to imagine what Junior's house might look like.  I envision it as a small bungalow/cottage type home.  We know there are 2 bedroom since E&E are staying in the guest room.  Here are a couple of ideas to start with:



 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 04:21:15 am
Last night in chat I was getting all excited about seeing who is reading the Laramie Saga with my new statistics counter.  The problem is, the stats counter I am using is a free one that I cannot get upgraded, because I don't have a company in Germany, and I don't have a tax number, so therefore I can only track up to 1,000 views a day.

1,000 views a day seemed like something my LJ page would never hit - right? wrong.  It went over 1,000 views last night at 11 o'clock and when it restarted at midnight, overnight over 560 views have already been logged, and I haven't had my morning coffee!  Okay, well I'm late getting up.  Of course, this is all good news, because it means that the Laramie Saga is quite popular and is being read worldwide.  In less than a 24 hour period, readers from 26 countries have logged on.  Leslie's theory about "marathon readers" is definitely true: there is no casual reading going on here.  With 233 unique visits since I went to bed last night, we are definitely "not alone"!


Readership

USA:   58%
Canada: 11%
Germany 10%
UK        6%
Hong Kong 2%
Denmark   2%
Other 10%

Combining this with the fact that half of the readers of Ennis and Ellery discussion group here at Bettermost are unregistered lurkers at any given time, it would seem the Laramie Saga is a guilty pleasure for many more people than I would have suspected.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 22, 2006, 04:43:47 am
Greetings to all lurkers!

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/lurker4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 22, 2006, 04:50:07 am
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 04:21:15 am

Readership

USA:   58%
Canada: 11%
Germany 10%
UK        6%
Hong Kong 2%
Denmark   2%
Other 10%


I'm a computer illiterate, can you tell me how do you know from which countries the readers are?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 22, 2006, 04:55:03 am
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 04:21:15 am
Last night in chat I was getting all excited about seeing who is reading the Laramie Saga with my new statistics counter.  The problem is, the stats counter I am using is a free one that I cannot get upgraded, because I don't have a company in Germany, and I don't have a tax number, so therefore I can only track up to 1,000 views a day.

1,000 views a day seemed like something my LJ page would never hit - right? wrong.  It went over 1,000 views last night at 11 o'clock and when it restarted at midnight, overnight over 560 views have already been logged, and I haven't had my morning coffee!  Okay, well I'm late getting up.  Of course, this is all good news, because it means that the Laramie Saga is quite popular and is being read worldwide.  In less than a 24 hour period, readers from 26 countries have logged on.  Leslie's theory about "marathon readers" is definitely true: there is no casual reading going on here.  With 233 unique visits since I went to bed last night, we are definitely "not alone"!


Readership

USA:   58%
Canada: 11%
Germany 10%
UK        6%
Hong Kong 2%
Denmark   2%
Other 10%

Combining this with the fact that half of the readers of Ennis and Ellery discussion group here at Bettermost are unregistered lurkers at any given time, it would seem the Laramie Saga is a guilty pleasure for many more people than I would have suspected.


It seems like I'm going to have to visit the LJ page more often Louise, so Madrid will have some decent representation on those statistics!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 04:57:32 am
Quote from: yb on September 22, 2006, 04:50:07 am
I'm a computer illiterate, can you tell me how do you know from which countries the readers are?


The software logs the IP addresses and host names and one of the statistics provided is country.  In the "Last 15 Visits" I can see individual Internet providers.  The one on the current page in Hong Kong, for example, is Pccw limited.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 22, 2006, 05:31:00 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 21, 2006, 10:51:20 pm
Oh, what fun!
I was trying to imagine what Junior's house might look like.  I envision it as a small bungalow/cottage type home.  We know there are 2 bedroom since E&E are staying in the guest room.  Here are a couple of ideas to start with:



 



This is very cool Navyvet!  :D I like the first option. Seems right.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 05:40:17 am
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 04:21:15 am
Last night in chat I was getting all excited about seeing who is reading the Laramie Saga with my new statistics counter.  The problem is, the stats counter I am using is a free one that I cannot get upgraded, because I don't have a company in Germany, and I don't have a tax number, so therefore I can only track up to 1,000 views a day.

1,000 views a day seemed like something my LJ page would never hit - right? wrong.  It went over 1,000 views last night at 11 o'clock and when it restarted at midnight, overnight over 560 views have already been logged, and I haven't had my morning coffee!  Okay, well I'm late getting up.  Of course, this is all good news, because it means that the Laramie Saga is quite popular and is being read worldwide.  In less than a 24 hour period, readers from 26 countries have logged on.  Leslie's theory about "marathon readers" is definitely true: there is no casual reading going on here.  With 233 unique visits since I went to bed last night, we are definitely "not alone"!


Readership

USA:   58%
Canada: 11%
Germany 10%
UK        6%
Hong Kong 2%
Denmark   2%
Other 10%

Combining this with the fact that half of the readers of Ennis and Ellery discussion group here at Bettermost are unregistered lurkers at any given time, it would seem the Laramie Saga is a guilty pleasure for many more people than I would have suspected.


I dont blame you getting excited Louise, this is wonderful!  But I'm a little ashamed to see that only 6% of readers come from the UK!  Bad UK! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 05:59:16 am
I,m from the UK Christie, where bouts are you from then? Always nice to meet a fellow Brit. I,ts peeing with rain here at the moment. Apparantly we are getting the remenants of hurricaine george I think..wonderful, so I,d like some "action" today please to warm things up a bit Louise? Poor Ennis..his eyesight will start going funny if he doesnt get some soon lol. And you know what will happen to him if he keeps playing with it dont you? He,ll go blind. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 06:00:44 am
Or his palms will get hairy!

Another British based reader LS addict here, from London. Do you think that we make up the 6% UJ readership?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 06:08:38 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 06:00:44 am
Or his palms will get hairy!

Another British based reader LS addict here, from London. Do you think that we make up the 6% UJ readership?

Karen

Hi Karen, nice to meet you. :)I hadnt heard that one about hairy palms lol. Where bouts in London are you then? Oh and apparantly, if the winds from the remains of this hurricaine get too bad, they say it could be as bad as 1987, so dont go near Hyde Park Karen..remember what happened to the trees, they got turned into matchsticks!!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 07:25:17 am
Quote from: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 05:40:17 am
I dont blame you getting excited Louise, this is wonderful!  But I'm a little ashamed to see that only 6% of readers come from the UK!  Bad UK! 
Ye-ep wonderful Louise!
But.... what about Holland?? Am I the only one?? BAD, BAD, BAD, BAAAAD!! Holland!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 07:29:32 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/118152.html  "Chapter 58:  Retreat"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 07:30:31 am
Quote from: souxi on September 22, 2006, 06:08:38 am
Hi Karen, nice to meet you. :)I hadnt heard that one about hairy palms lol.
me neither!
I've never heard about going blind either!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 07:33:04 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 22, 2006, 04:43:47 am
Greetings to all lurkers!

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/lurker4.jpg)

;D  ;D  ;D
This is great Jo!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 07:34:27 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 21, 2006, 10:51:20 pm
Oh, what fun!
I was trying to imagine what Junior's house might look like.  I envision it as a small bungalow/cottage type home.  We know there are 2 bedroom since E&E are staying in the guest room. 

Thanks NavyVet! I like them both  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 07:35:44 am
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 07:29:32 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/118152.html  "Chapter 58:  Retreat"
*off to read*
Squeeeee!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 08:01:11 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 07:30:31 am
me neither!
I've never heard about going blind either!  :D

Must just be the circles I move in  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 08:03:34 am
That one about going blind is an old wives tale. Many a little boy would have a stinging slap delivered to his little hand if it was caught wandering "down there". AND they were told that if they still did it, AFTER they,d gone blind, it would fall off!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 08:04:16 am
SPOLIER


Ellery the diplomat - I like his thinking.

Of course now we're all panting for the next chapter. Louise, for the love of all that his holy, please do not make it a deep and meaningful conversation between Alma and Junior (if you know what I mean). In fact very little conversation at all would be more than acceptable  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 08:05:15 am
Okay, like the busy little bee I am I went out and found a different statistics counter that gives the specific IP addresses of each host, accumulates number of hits per host etc., and does not have a 1,000 page view dropoff.  I think this has far better statistic handling, since it is the number of individual readers I am interested in tracking, not how many pages they look at in a single view.  So I have put the new counter on the first book, "Taking Chances" and am gradually going backward, replacing the stats counter on "The Long Way Home."

And it excludes me so my stats don't count my own hits... so since I did that at 12:30, 25 different hosts have logged on... which means all of you Europeans and Aussies and ... lo an behold, someone from Czech Republic, and two different people from Russia, one lurker from Denmark!  and a couple of early risers from America.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 08:06:51 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 08:04:16 am
SPOLIER


Ellery the diplomat - I like his thinking.

Of course now we're all panting for the next chapter. Louise, for the love of all that his holy, please do not make it a deep and meaningful conversation between Alma and Junior (if you know what I mean). In fact very little conversation at all would be more than acceptable  ;)

Karen

you know I have had people make comments that I write this story based on too much reader feedback, don't you?  Now that everybody EXPECTS me to have a chapter with Ennis and Ellery getting it on at the hotel, if I actually do that, it means you guys are controlling me.  Or ... maybe it means I intended to write that part all along.  You be the judge.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 08:11:41 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 08:04:16 am
SPOLIER


Ellery the diplomat - I like his thinking.

Of course now we're all panting for the next chapter. Louise, for the love of all that his holy, please do not make it a deep and meaningful conversation between Alma and Junior (if you know what I mean). In fact very little conversation at all would be more than acceptable  ;)

Karen


Absolutly right Karen. In fact less talking and more heavy breathing and hip thrusts would be FAR better thank you lol.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 08:19:14 am
Quote from: souxi on September 22, 2006, 08:11:41 am

Absolutly right Karen. In fact less talking and more heavy breathing and hip thrusts would be FAR better thank you lol.  ;) ;) ;)
Thirded girls  ;D Totally!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 08:32:03 am
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 08:06:51 am
you know I have had people make comments that I write this story based on too much reader feedback, don't you?  Now that everybody EXPECTS me to have a chapter with Ennis and Ellery getting it on at the hotel, if I actually do that, it means you guys are controlling me.  Or ... maybe it means I intended to write that part all along.  You be the judge.
Oh, that is soo not true! Can you remember all those readers hounding you for Bottom!Ennis (and you know exactly which one of those readers I mean, *grin*) on the DC boards? You didn't take any notice and just did exactly what you wanted to and let it happen when you felt the moment was right. The same goes for Dupree, loads of your readers would love him to be gay (including me!) but you are taking that in the direction that only you want it to be going.
What would be fun though, I think, if we could put in some requests every now and then who and what we would like in future chapters. Nothing major of course and none of it should be interfering with your muses of course. It's just a thought, like I asked you the other day if you'd be writing a Red Stallion chapter all about Dupree sometime soon.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 08:35:28 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 08:01:11 am
Must just be the circles I move in  ;D
LOL! Must be!!!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on September 22, 2006, 08:38:22 am
Louise, with the large number of counts / hits  your story is receiving, is there a chance that story will go on past the next book? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 22, 2006, 08:44:05 am
Statistics damn statisics Louise. Onwards to Best Western!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 08:57:32 am
Quote from: gn411 on September 22, 2006, 08:38:22 am
Louise, with the large number of counts / hits  your story is receiving, is there a chance that story will go on past the next book? 

you know, you had to ask me that question!

EGAD! Bob!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 22, 2006, 08:57:47 am
OK here's the love nest. The nearest BestWestern is actually in nearby Lander.

Here is the hotel.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/best.jpg)

Here is the room

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/best1.jpg)

Where are the boys?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 08:58:37 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 22, 2006, 08:44:05 am
Statistics damn statisics Louise. Onwards to Best Western!

I'm typing, I'm typing!

It is now the Holiday Inn, since the "Best Western Riverton" I had originally researched turns out to be in Göteborg, Sweden.  And that's too far a drive for our boys to "slake their lust."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 09:17:57 am
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 08:58:37 am
I'm typing, I'm typing!

It is now the Holiday Inn, since the "Best Western Riverton" I had originally researched turns out to be in Göteborg, Sweden.  And that's too far a drive for our boys to "slake their lust."
I just checked out the Holiday Inn in Riverton and they can even have their choice of pillows  ;D
But, what happened to that King size bed?!?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 09:18:23 am
Well they could always fly and join the Mile High Club.

Mmmm... perhaps not such a good idea what with Ellery's rib and back and all.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 09:39:48 am
you guys are KILLING me!  I keep interrupting my writing to look at the statistics counter.  This is the neatest toy since the invention of the internet!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 09:52:03 am
okay okay okay.

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/118368.html  "Chapter 59:  Absence"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on September 22, 2006, 10:19:07 am
Hey! If you're letting us guide the plot, let me reiterate my request for a dance! I am dying to read your incredibly hot version of a lonnnnnng sloooooow dance between the boys. Whaddaya say? If you like stats, this chapter would be near the top!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 10:28:06 am
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 09:52:03 am
okay okay okay.

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/118368.html  "Chapter 59:  Absence"

***SPOILER***
REALLLLLLLLY HOT Louise. Ennis is the sweetest, sexiest, hottest, most considerate lover ever!! Damn, am I glad it's pouring with rain here so I can go outside for a bit and really cool off....  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 22, 2006, 10:32:19 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 09:17:57 am
I just checked out the Holiday Inn in Riverton and they can even have their choice of pillows  ;D
But, what happened to that King size bed?!?  ;D

Oh it's there. Check out the photo gallery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 22, 2006, 10:35:59 am
Quote from: neatfreak on September 22, 2006, 10:19:07 am
Hey! If you're letting us guide the plot, let me reiterate my request for a dance! I am dying to read your incredibly hot version of a lonnnnnng sloooooow dance between the boys. Whaddaya say? If you like stats, this chapter would be near the top!

Was there this request?  I love it, I think Ennis will only feel comfortable dancing with Ellery in the Red Stallion.  I'm thinking about the dance he had with Cassie, but he'll be totally different in his posture and expression when it's Ellery he's dancing with.  Will you do this, Louise?  If not in this book, perhaps the next one featuring The Red Stallion?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 10:59:45 am
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 09:52:03 am
okay okay okay.

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/118368.html  "Chapter 59:  Absence"

Phew - it's warm in here!

Louise, that was just what we, ahem sorry, the boys needed. I really must stop reading updates at work. It's really not doing much for my productivity, and my colleagues must be wondering why my eyes keep glazing over!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 11:07:32 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 10:28:06 am
***SPOILER***
REALLLLLLLLY HOT Louise. Ennis is the sweetest, sexiest, hottest, most considerate lover ever!! Damn, am I glad it's pouring with rain here so I can go outside for a bit and really cool off....  ;D

I,ts pouring with rain here too June. I,ve just got home from picking my kids up from school. I,m like a drowned rat. I,m sat here with a nice cup of hot chocolate and I,ve just read that chapter. Needless to say I,ve warmed up considerably! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 11:18:37 am
Quote from: souxi on September 22, 2006, 11:07:32 am
I,ts pouring with rain here too June. I,ve just got home from picking my kids up from school. I,m like a drowned rat. I,m sat here with a nice cup of hot chocolate and I,ve just read that chapter. Needless to say I,ve warmed up considerably! :o :o :o

Hee hee! I just made hot chocolate too!!  :)
I'm hoping we have a lot more 'gettin fancy' to look forward to at The Holiday Inn..... *looks at Louise and grins* *Louise looks back at me thinking, "damn June, aren't you ever satisfied??!"*  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 11:28:28 am
Satsified? nooooooooooooo can never get enough of our boys LOL. Had a thought whilst I was sitting here drinking my choccy. Wonder if they have a jacuzzi in that hotel? That would be soooooooo nice and relaxing wouldnt it? And water supports your body very well, so he wouldnt, erm strain anything lol. Then maybe Ennis could give him a nice gentle all over body massage with those nice strong hands of his. yummmmmmmmmyyyyyyyy.  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 22, 2006, 11:35:46 am
Louise, I'm rereading Taking Chances and I just noticed that you have Wes and Edna married for forty years.  That surprised me.  Wes and Edna don't seem like people in their sixties.  Late forties or early fifties, maybe.  And if Wes is that old, Ellery OUGHT to be worried about him retiring soon!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 12:03:38 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 22, 2006, 05:59:16 am
I,m from the UK Christie, where bouts are you from then? Always nice to meet a fellow Brit. I,ts peeing with rain here at the moment. Apparantly we are getting the remenants of hurricaine george I think..wonderful, so I,d like some "action" today please to warm things up a bit Louise? Poor Ennis..his eyesight will start going funny if he doesnt get some soon lol. And you know what will happen to him if he keeps playing with it dont you? He,ll go blind. ;) ;) ;) ;)

Hi souxi

Its always nice to say hello to another brit and Laramie Saga fan!   :)  I'm from Liverpool, where are you from?

Its actually been quite nice here the last couple of days, but its been dull today.  You never know where you are with the British weather.  ::)

 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 12:10:20 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 22, 2006, 11:28:28 am
Satsified? nooooooooooooo can never get enough of our boys LOL. Had a thought whilst I was sitting here drinking my choccy. Wonder if they have a jacuzzi in that hotel? That would be soooooooo nice and relaxing wouldnt it? And water supports your body very well, so he wouldnt, erm strain anything lol. Then maybe Ennis could give him a nice gentle all over body massage with those nice strong hands of his. yummmmmmmmmyyyyyyyy.  ;) ;) ;) ;)

I think that is an excellent thought....keep it, and hopefully Louise will somehow work that into the next chapter.  I mean, you're only thinking that because you worry about Ellery and his sore body and only want to make sure he gets better, dont you? I mean, there's no other reason you'd be mentioning that is there?  nothing sexual or anything..... ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 12:12:03 pm
Quote from: MadLori on September 22, 2006, 11:35:46 am
Louise, I'm rereading Taking Chances and I just noticed that you have Wes and Edna married for forty years.  That surprised me.  Wes and Edna don't seem like people in their sixties.  Late forties or early fifties, maybe.  And if Wes is that old, Ellery OUGHT to be worried about him retiring soon!

Childhood sweethearts, Lori.  People got married young back in those days.  If they got married even at the respectable age of 18 Wes would still only be 58.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 12:14:30 pm
Quote from: yb on September 22, 2006, 10:35:59 am
Was there this request?  I love it, I think Ennis will only feel comfortable dancing with Ellery in the Red Stallion.  I'm thinking about the dance he had with Cassie, but he'll be totally different in his posture and expression when it's Ellery he's dancing with.  Will you do this, Louise?  If not in this book, perhaps the next one featuring The Red Stallion?


I thought this idea mentioned by neatfreak was a brilliant one, and I have often thought that Ennis and Ellery dont really listen to any music at home, do they?  Its usually an Agatha Christie novel or a Clint Eastwood western as their source of alternative entertainment, other than getting fancy I mean.  

I would love to see Ennis and Ellery dance, but to be honest, I dont think it will ever happen in the Red Stallion.  I just couldnt see Ennis being that comfortable to dance with Ellery in front of a crowd of gay men, even if he knows some of them.  I'm not saying I wouldnt want them to dance in the Red Stallion, I just cant imagine it.  Having said that, I could imagine them having a nice, long, smoochy dance at home, with the lights dimmed low, late at night, just the two of them.  I would find that totally romantic.  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 12:16:41 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 22, 2006, 11:07:32 am
I,ts pouring with rain here too June. I,ve just got home from picking my kids up from school. I,m like a drowned rat. I,m sat here with a nice cup of hot chocolate and I,ve just read that chapter. Needless to say I,ve warmed up considerably! :o :o :o


I've not long done the school run too.  First thing I do when I get home, apart from giving my kids something to eat to keep them going until tea time, is get on the computer, check for any LS updates - I know what my priorities are! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 12:22:53 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 12:14:30 pm
I thought this idea mentioned by neatfreak was a brilliant one, and I have often thought that Ennis and Ellery dont really listen to any music at home, do they?  Its usually an Agatha Christie novel or a Clint Eastwood western as their source of alternative entertainment, other than getting fancy I mean.  

I would love to see Ennis and Ellery dance, but to be honest, I dont think it will ever happen in the Red Stallion.  I just couldnt see Ennis being that comfortable to dance with Ellery in front of a crowd of gay men, even if he knows some of them.  I'm not saying I wouldnt want them to dance in the Red Stallion, I just cant imagine it.  Having said that, I could imagine them having a nice, long, smoochy dance at home, with the lights dimmed low, late at night, just the two of them.  I would find that totally romantic.  
I have to agree with Christie here but I totally love neatfreaks idea. I can't see Ennis doing a slow dance in The Red Stallion either, no way. With that crowd of guys that love teasing him so much,  he'll never hear the end of it. Especially if Wayne's there to witness it  ::) Now at home I can see happening. Lovely.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 12:28:06 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 12:10:20 pm
I think that is an excellent thought....keep it, and hopefully Louise will somehow work that into the next chapter.  I mean, you're only thinking that because you worry about Ellery and his sore body and only want to make sure he gets better, dont you? I mean, there's no other reason you'd be mentioning that is there?  nothing sexual or anything..... ;)

Nah, no other reason Christie.....I'm sure Souxi's only concern is for Ellery's health.... ;D  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 12:38:36 pm
you guys.  How much GETTIN FANCY do you want anyhow?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 22, 2006, 12:46:53 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 12:38:36 pm
you guys.  How much GETTIN FANCY do you want anyhow?

Lots.

Lots and lots.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 12:53:41 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 22, 2006, 12:46:53 pm
Lots.

Lots and lots.
And lots and lots

And lots

And lots Louise.......  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 12:57:43 pm
Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots..................

Ok come on everyone, get chanting, ready? 1 2 3...

"We want hip thrusts, we want hip thrusts, we want hip thrusts, we want hip thrusts.." etc etc etc.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

And yes Christie, of course the only reason I mentioned a jacuzzi is because of my concern over Ellerys sore body..nothing to do with erm, you know, (sex) atall,. ahem.  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 01:00:45 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 12:16:41 pm
I've not long done the school run too.  First thing I do when I get home, apart from giving my kids something to eat to keep them going until tea time, is get on the computer, check for any LS updates - I know what my priorities are! 

Hahahha, thats the first thing I do in the morning!! Before I check boring old "real life", things like e-mails, I check for any updates on slash. I mean, like you said, and quite right too, you HAVE to get your priorities right dont you? and we know what ours are, checking for any overnight hip thrusts lol. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 01:03:00 pm
ok, you Brits will feel happy.

errr... I cant seem to get that to display:  it shows statistics since noon on the most recent two books.  UK is in second place ahead of Canada!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 22, 2006, 01:26:03 pm
Quote from: yb on September 22, 2006, 10:35:59 am
Was there this request?  I love it, I think Ennis will only feel comfortable dancing with Ellery in the Red Stallion.  I'm thinking about the dance he had with Cassie, but he'll be totally different in his posture and expression when it's Ellery he's dancing with.  Will you do this, Louise?  If not in this book, perhaps the next one featuring The Red Stallion?


I agree!!!   A  long slow dance would be completely different than the rocker he danced with Cassie.
But I want it at HOME where it can lead to other things----without anyone being able to make any comments, or memories (except for US of course)   I can't see Ennis dancing in public yet, he has come a long long way, but I can't see him being that far just now, just my own thoughts though. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 01:28:42 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on September 22, 2006, 01:26:03 pm
I agree!!!   A  long slow dance would be completely different than the rocker he danced with Cassie.
But I want it at HOME where it can lead to other things----without anyone being able to make any comments, or memories (except for US of course)   I can't see Ennis dancing in public yet, he has come a long long way, but I can't see him being that far just now, just my own thoughts though. LOL

What a great idea. So what song should our boys dance too then? :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 22, 2006, 01:28:46 pm
Those Page Stats stuff are so addictive ..!

I used to have one on a website I had when I was in Grad school .. and whenever I got online, it'd be the first place I'd go check to see who was logging in .. Not good for anyone who is paranoid!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 22, 2006, 01:32:51 pm
On another note ..

I have to add Bill to the Gallery .. :)
We have also been introduced to Bill Jr .. how old is he?  We could add him as well.
Who else..?

Oh..Jeeves ..when I read about him .. my mind immediately went to..

(http://img.search.com/8/8d/300px-Jeeves.jpg)

Gotta love Stephen Fry!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 22, 2006, 01:42:54 pm
Something country---and slow-----my hubby and I used to dance CLOSE to:
"If I said you had a Beautiful Body would you Hold it against Me",
and, "Do you Love As Good as You Look". 
both by the Bellamy Brothers-
-they are both slow enough for cuddling, and still have enough rythm so you can do sways,two-steps, fancy turns, or dip or two! LOL  the lyrics are great and describe Wanting someone!!  They gave us some inspiration back then. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 01:48:15 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on September 22, 2006, 01:42:54 pm
Something country---and slow-----my hubby and I used to dance CLOSE to:
If I said you had a Beautiful Body would you Hold it against Me,
and, Do you Love As Good as you look. 
both by the Bellamy Brothers-
-they are both slow enough for cuddling, and still have enough rythm so you can do sways,two-steps, fancy turns, or dip or two! LOL   They gave us some inspiration back then. ;)
Oh Ranchgal! I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE If I said you had a Beautiful Body! It brings back soo many wonderful memories for me too....*sigh*
Great suggestion!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 01:48:52 pm
Ranchgirl, sorry but didnt Dr Hook sing "If I said you had a beautifull body?" They also sang "sexy eyes" Very fitting for both our boys lol. One song I,ve often listened too, "The last time" by Eric Bennet. Now THAT is a seriously slow, smoochy, sexy song. Perfect for those two. I can see them now........*sigh*.  :P :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 01:52:39 pm
There's an author out there that has an extremely cute avatar of Jake G as a little boy, he'd be perfect for Bill jr. How old is he, Louise?

Hot Chocolate also has some really sexy songs, one of them is "You Sexy Thing" Another golden oldie fav of mine.....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 22, 2006, 01:52:45 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 22, 2006, 01:48:52 pm
Ranchgirl, sorry but didnt Dr Hook sing "If I said you had a beautifull body?" They also sang "sexy eyes" Very fitting for both our boys lol. One song I,ve often listened too, "The last time" by Eric Bennet. Now THAT is a seriously slow, smoochy, sexy song. Perfect for those two. I can see them now........*sigh*.  :P :P

IF Dr Hook released it, it was a re released version   AND came later.(I love Dr. Hook and have most of thier stuff on vinyl, as well a cd or two--can't remember them releasing it as a single-but they may have done it.  They did lots of stuff I loved though!)
the song was written by David Bellamy and was one of their Best loved and top chart singles, you can find it on their Greatest Hits volume 1.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 01:55:13 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on September 22, 2006, 01:52:45 pm
Dr Hook's was a re released version   AND came later.
the song was written by David Bellamy and was one of their Best loved and top chart singles.

Oh I apologise for that then, I never knew theirs was a re release, I hadnt heard the other version. Is it better or worse?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 22, 2006, 02:00:32 pm
Different stylings---The Bellamy Brothers put some Island rythms to some of their tunes(they are based in Florida), made you feel like you were drifting on a tide--in my opinion- THeirs is done the way it is supposed to sound.
I have never heard the Dr. Hook version---I may have to go dig through my records and see if I have it and can't remember.???? So I can't compare them.

But I would take the Bellamy Brothers version over most anyone elses!! Even Dr. Hook, and I love them too.
I wonder if you go to Amazon, they might not have part of lyric you could listen too--they do on alot of the album listings they have.  May have to go look. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on September 22, 2006, 02:27:05 pm
I never listened to much country music until this year! But Wikipedia has a complete list of country hits for 1984. The Best Female Country Vocal Performance of the Year was Emmylou Harris, with "In My Dreams." Is that a slow song? Other intriguing titles I know nothing about:

"I Can Tell By The Way You Dance (You're Gonna Love Me Tonight)" - Vern Gosdin
"Give Me One More Chance" - Exile
"Slow Burn" - T.G. Sheppard
"When We Make Love" - Alabama
You're Getting To Me Again" - Jim Glaser
"Nobody Loves Me Like You Do" - Anne Murray and Dave Loggins
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 02:37:33 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 01:52:39 pm
There's an author out there that has an extremely cute avatar of Jake G as a little boy, he'd be perfect for Bill jr. How old is he, Louise?

Hot Chocolate also has some really sexy songs, one of them is "You Sexy Thing" Another golden oldie fav of mine.....

Bill Jr is nine.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 02:52:09 pm
This is a fine example of Ennis being gentle when Ellery is hurting.... Shelter from the storm, chapter 55.

QUOTE:

Ennis was still hesitating. Finger fucking Ellery was a way of delaying his own decision whether he should actually fuck him, considering his back. But at the same time, Ellery was a big boy and he had promised he would be honest about his condition – and Ennis had to start trusting that. Besides, he could go as slow as he wanted to – he was in control of the sex. He drove his fingers deep into the twitching heat of Ellery’s ass, then pulled out, sliding his left hand up Ellery’s left thigh and edging closer, walking on his knees, until their thighs touched. he lifted his cock, rubbing it against Ellery’s hole, looking down at him. “This is gonna be real slow, boy, cause I ain’t gonna hurt you.”

Ellery replied with a low whimper, and Ennis concluded that Ellery had guessed at the lengthy diversion – and was relieved Ennis had decided at last to fuck him. “Come on,” Ellery murmured softly. “Come on now...”

Ennis held his breath and thrust gently, his cock gradually enveloped in the delicious warmth and snug grip of his lover’s ass, and he fought the urge to drive in with his hips. Immediately he found himself struggling with his own desire to ravish Ellery’s passive, needy body, and he let go of his cock, clamping his right hand down on the middle of Ellery’s right thigh. He let out his breath, forcing himself to stillness, his cock half-buried.

Ellery’s head thrashed back and forth once more. “C’mon boy, please...” he begged, his voice catching in his throat.

“Hush,” Ennis growled, taking another breath, finding the begging almost irresistible. But he held steady, then proceeded once more at that glacial pace of penetration, the renewed movement greeted by a small, strangled moan of need. He looked down, and Ellery’s face had paled, sweat breaking in beads across the high forehead and dripping slowly into his hair as his head moved back and forth slowly.

“Oh, Ennis...” came that begging voice once more, and Ennis pushed his cock steadily the rest of his way inside, feeling breathless and overcome.

“Hush I said,” With a low warning growl, Ennis fought off the begging, and his own intense desire to pull back and thrust hard. But the intensity of Ellery’s look of passion made his heart, race, his blood singing with desire. Ennis pulled back, moving his hips in slow motion, every smallest move now, it seemed, a study in how to pleasure his lover gently in spite of those murmured pleas. He thrust in slowly, steadily, his hips once more sliding up against Ellery’s quivering thighs, and Ennis slid his hands up and over Ellery’s hands, tucked behind his raised knees, gripping each of his hands as he rolled his hips back and up once again in a slow, deep, gentle thrust.

Ellery’s moan was a low mixture of pleasure and frustration as Ennis buried his cock inside him with gentle deliberateness. “Oh... “ Ellery gasped as Ennis’s hips once again nudged up against his ass, the length of Ennis’s cock grazing against his hot spot, “Oh damn.” Beads of sweat flew off Ellery’s forehead as he threw his head back and tried once more to buck up against that slow-riding thrust of Ennis’s hips.

“Oh no ya don’t,” Ennis growled once more, and pulling back, controlling Ellery’s lower body, fingers interlaced and clamping down over Ellery’s captive hands, thrust in with controlled force, slow and deep, a moan of his own escaping as he felt a deep spasm around his cock from the rising tension deep in Ellery’s bowels. At this controlled, determined pace, Ennis thrust, over and over, never increasing the timing or abbreviating the pauses, watching every smallest movement that might indicate strain, spasm, or fatigue, while his own pleasure deepened gradually.

Ellery looked up into Ennis’s face, now coated with a dull sheen of sweat as the exertion heated him up, moaned deeply through his open mouth and whispered “please,” his eyes bright as though he were on the verge of bursting into tears.

Ennis closed his eyes, a quiver of desire running down his spine, and he pulled back once more, this time acquiescing to that whispered plea he could no longer deny. He lowered his hands, freeing Ellery’s hands once more, and circled Ellery’s rigid cock with his right hand, his hips pulling back and now thrusting more rapidly but shallowly as he began to stroke Ellery in time with his fucking. After the long, slow buildup, the sudden faster tempo caused them both to moan and gasp, as though they were both addicted to fast, hard sex. Their moans mingled together in a rising chorus, and Ennis’s steady control eroded, but not completely. He gripped the base of Ellery’s cock, and with a series of quick steady stabs he hit the point of no return, grunting as his cock thickened and his orgasm began to build, his hand demanding in its squeezing strokes and he said “Come, boy...” now letting Ellery buck up and fuck his circling fist, his hips driving his cock in with each upward thrust, and without warning, Ellery’s orgasm splashed out through his fingers, sphincter tightening over Ennis’s cock and triggering his own ejaculation, fighting off the urge to jam his hips hard up against Ellery’s body, maintaining shallow, stabbing thrusts through the waves of ejaculation, their cries rising and falling together.

Ennis let Ellery’s cock go, then pulled out, slowly but steadily, and Ellery’s knees fell open as he softened, still moaning softly.

“You must a liked that,” Ennis commented as he flopped down next to him, a hand steadying Ellery’s hip, thumb pressing against the surface of the muscle as though to check for a low back spasm.

“Yeah I did. Ya teased me ta death, boy, I swear.”  QUOTE:

 Yummmmmyyyyy.  ;) ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 02:56:52 pm
Thanks for making me step outside again Souxi!  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 22, 2006, 02:58:58 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 02:56:52 pm
Thanks for making me step outside again Souxi!  ::)  ;D

Sowwwwwwwwwwwwy.  ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 03:12:07 pm
ok I finished playing with my stats counter and now I am back to typity type typing again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 03:25:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 03:12:07 pm
ok I finished playing with my stats counter and now I am back to typity type typing again.
Good!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 22, 2006, 03:44:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 02:37:33 pm
Bill Jr is nine.

How is this lil lad?  :)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/be1be679.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 03:55:12 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 22, 2006, 03:44:11 pm
How is this lil lad?  :)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/be1be679.jpg)
He's very cute. I love his long hair  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 04:06:48 pm
He certainly looks like a little Alma, don't he?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 04:07:27 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/118769.html  "Chapter 60: Memento Mori"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 22, 2006, 04:17:22 pm
Care for some Hot Men In Suits ..?  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/LH/6392b746-1.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/615685e4.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Jake/A_C/d1ca4bf2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 22, 2006, 04:31:24 pm
     thank you louise for the lovely chapters...three wow..  they finally got to touch each other.   this has been quite a bumpy ride...and very little of it on horseback.....                                                                                                                                                                               janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 22, 2006, 04:45:30 pm
I am saving the chapters for when I get home tonight .. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 04:49:49 pm
SPOILER

Feel rather subdued after end of chapter 60. Like we should have a minute's silence to remember Jack, or summat. Silly I guess....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 05:24:37 pm
Quote from: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 04:49:49 pm
SPOILER

Feel rather subdued after end of chapter 60. Like we should have a minute's silence to remember Jack, or summat. Silly I guess....

I do know what you mean Kazza, but you know that we will never forget Jack, and neither will Ennis.  Its hard for Ennis, but I want him to be happy with Ellery and know that its ok to love and be happy again.

God, I'm going to make myself cry in a minute.  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 05:26:13 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 22, 2006, 02:52:09 pm
This is a fine example of Ennis being gentle when Ellery is hurting.... Shelter from the storm, chapter 55.

QUOTE:

Ennis was still hesitating. Finger fucking Ellery was a way of delaying his own decision whether he should actually fuck him,
 Yummmmmyyyyy.  ;) ;) ;) ;)



Damn it souxi, could you put up a health warning or something before posting this?  I think I blacked out after reading this first line.

Yummmy indeed.  And scrummy. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 05:27:19 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 01:03:00 pm
ok, you Brits will feel happy.

errr... I cant seem to get that to display:  it shows statistics since noon on the most recent two books.  UK is in second place ahead of Canada!



YAY!!!!!   :)  Am happy now.  Thanks Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 05:30:04 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 05:24:37 pm
I do know what you mean Kazza, but you know that we will never forget Jack, and neither will Ennis.  Its hard for Ennis, but I want him to be happy with Ellery and know that its ok to love and be happy again.

God, I'm going to make myself cry in a minute.  :'(

Oh I want happiness for Ennis and Ellery too, and these last few chapters have felt like they're really, really moving on. It just feels like the tin lid on Jack's story.

BTW, are you a London gal too?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 05:37:14 pm
Quote from: Kazza on September 22, 2006, 04:49:49 pm
SPOILER

Feel rather subdued after end of chapter 60. Like we should have a minute's silence to remember Jack, or summat. Silly I guess....
No, no, no, not silly at all. That's never silly Karen. I've been crying and I feel terribly sad. Those last lines just really got to me  :(  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 06:11:52 pm
okay gang.

it's midnight, and I have 12 hours of stats.

60 % of the hosts and hits on the Laramie Saga story site are USA.  (Go America.)
19% UK (a strong second place)
14% Germany, 14% Canada (they keep switching places)
3% Hong Kong
and Netherlands coming in 6th!

With over 2,500 views in the past 24 hours, I think I feel faint!  Within a couple of days, I should be able to come up with a firm figure on how many readers we have, since this stats counter tracks new and unique hosts separate from views.  But preliminary indications show it is well over 150 people.  Yowza.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 06:21:05 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 06:11:52 pm
okay gang.

it's midnight, and I have 12 hours of stats.

60 % of the hosts and hits on the Laramie Saga story site are USA.  (Go America.)
19% UK (a strong second place)
14% Germany, 14% Canada (they keep switching places)
3% Hong Kong
and Netherlands coming in 6th!

With over 2,500 views in the past 24 hours, I think I feel faint!  Within a couple of days, I should be able to come up with a firm figure on how many readers we have, since this stats counter tracks new and unique hosts separate from views.  But preliminary indications show it is well over 150 people.  Yowza.

WOW Louise!! Impressive! Yowza, indeed! (I love that word!)
YAY for Holland!! Hee hee!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 22, 2006, 06:21:40 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 06:11:52 pm
okay gang.

it's midnight, and I have 12 hours of stats.

60 % of the hosts and hits on the Laramie Saga story site are USA.  (Go America.)
19% UK (a strong second place)
14% Germany, 14% Canada (they keep switching places)
3% Hong Kong
and Netherlands coming in 6th!

With over 2,500 views in the past 24 hours, I think I feel faint!  Within a couple of days, I should be able to come up with a firm figure on how many readers we have, since this stats counter tracks new and unique hosts separate from views.  But preliminary indications show it is well over 150 people.  Yowza.


3% Hong Kong?  So, that's 75 views, it means there're other readers/lurkers from HK.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 22, 2006, 06:31:02 pm
I came back and there are a few comments about Ennis and Ellery dancing in the Red Stallion.  I agree it is near impossible for Ennis, but if he can overcome his uneasiness, the only place I can see him dancing with Ellery in public's eyes will be the Red Stallion.  While dancing in their house will lead to fancy parts which we all love so much, but dancing/cuddling with Ellery in public will be a big step for Ennis.  I'm also not sure if it'd ever happen, but I would love to see it.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 07:04:09 pm
Quote from: yb on September 22, 2006, 06:21:40 pm
3% Hong Kong?  So, that's 75 views, it means there're other readers/lurkers from HK.

As far as I can tell there are 3 readers in Hong Kong (3 unique hosts.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 07:17:41 pm
Uh oh, bad news for UK:  Canada pulled into 2nd place before the stats flipped over for the night!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 22, 2006, 07:24:59 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 22, 2006, 07:04:09 pm
As far as I can tell there are 3 readers in Hong Kong (3 unique hosts.)

Cool.  I was a bit worried I alone make up the % for Hong Kong, LOL.  It's good to know there are other readers from HK, I hope they'll find their way to here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Monica on September 22, 2006, 07:59:12 pm
Hello Louise,

Sorry, this post is kind of off topic.   I just wanted to tell you I have been loving part 5 of the Laramie Saga.  Ennis coming to terms with his sexuality would not mean very much with out sharing this with his family, particularly his daughters.  It has been a nice mix of drama and humor.  Hope Junior comes to live in Laramie for awhile. 


Spoilers:

The last chapter Memento Mori had me crying (again).  I think you have handled Jack's life and death with a great deal of respect.  I like the chapter where you explored the last hours of his life, it was very touching.  The responsibility for his death was Worrell's, I was glad Worrell made his final confession (his first confession had me in tears!).  Now that Worrell is gone I hope Ennis can find some peace.  I am looking forward to Ellery's conversations with Mrs. Twist and Lureen Twist. 

Thanks Louise, you are the best!

Tara
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 22, 2006, 08:10:12 pm
Welcome, Tara!

I am so glad you made it to Bettermost!  I haven't seen any comments for a few days and was missing you!  I am just now learning how many people are reading the Saga and I am boggled!

But I don't want that to slow me down from completing the story arc of "The Long Way Home."  I am particularly touched by your comments about handling Jack's death with respect.  I personally think that speculation about whether or not Jack "got careless" in his personal life is very much beside the point of his tragic death, and no matter what the real circumstances (I found a realistic and hopefully dramatic explanation for his death) he certainly did not ask for it, nor do I believe Ennis was responsible, though he might think or feel otherwise still.  Those feelings are still going to linger.

Thanks for hopping in: make sure to take a look in the Gallery Thread here in FanFiction to see the wonderful fan art about Ennis and Ellery!

Cheers,

Louise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Monica on September 22, 2006, 08:57:38 pm
Louise, I totally agree with you.  No matter what brought Jack to Austin that fateful night, he certainly did not ask for or deserve what happened to him. 

I don't mean to re-hash past chapters, but I just wanted to share a few thoughts.  What I appreciated about the "last confession" was it brought out aspects of Jack's conflicted life which rang true with me.  Yes he was a gay man, and had some anonymous sex with men at times (as gay men sometimes will do).  And he most likely was lonely and attracted to Worrell (though I got the impression Worrell creeped him out by the time they left the bar).  But he was married and loved his wife and son, he still thought of his parents’ well being, and he also appreciated how Ennis might feel about their fidelity to each other.   

I know Ennis may never get over what happened to Jack, and the way you write about Ennis's grief also rings true with me.  It is always lurking behind the surface.  Ok, enough with this or I will start crying again!

About the picture gallery, I will definitely check it out.  I noticed and loved some of the photos I saw on this thread.  I am on my way to the gallery!

Tara
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 22, 2006, 11:44:43 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 22, 2006, 12:03:38 pm
Hi souxi

Its always nice to say hello to another brit and Laramie Saga fan!   :)  I'm from Liverpool, where are you from?

Its actually been quite nice here the last couple of days, but its been dull today.  You never know where you are with the British weather.  ::)

 

Here we go - an English conversation is never complete without discussing the weather! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 02:30:13 am
Good morning felow LS junkies. I,ts another foggy day today in the UK. Yes magicmountain, we Brits do love talking about the weather lol. Sowwwwwwy Christie, I,ll try and remember the health warnings lol. That chapter, as I said on LJ, brought me out in goosebumps Louise. Very well done. Poor Ennis. :'( :'( I hope worrell burns in hell too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 03:43:59 am
Oh Christie your a scouser then. I,m a southener I,m afraid lol..east anglia. I,m about 2 hours from the Norfolk coast. Where I bet it,s really really foggy, specially out over the north sea. So Louise, we need plenty of hip thrusts to warm us up this weekend please. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 04:23:02 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 22, 2006, 05:37:14 pm
No, no, no, not silly at all. That's never silly Karen. I've been crying and I feel terribly sad. Those last lines just really got to me  :(  :'(

Likewise June, it,s certainly not silly atall. So will Ennis go back to Brokeback Mountain one last time to tell Jack that worrell is dead and he can rest in peace now? Then maybe he can at last get on with his life with Ellery. I wonder if Ennis will ever be able to stop blaming himself over Jacks death? I do hope so., he deserves to be happy..he,s been through so much emotionally, they both have. :( :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 23, 2006, 04:24:59 am
Quote from: souxi on September 23, 2006, 03:43:59 am
Oh Christie your a scouser then. I,m a southener I,m afraid lol..east anglia. I,m about 2 hours from the Norfolk coast. Where I bet it,s really really foggy, specially out over the north sea. So Louise, we need plenty of hip thrusts to warm us up this weekend please. ;) ;) ;) ;)
;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 04:28:25 am
Good morning June. Nice to see you up and about. All set for more hip thrusts then?  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 23, 2006, 04:41:46 am
Quote from: souxi on September 23, 2006, 04:23:02 am
Likewise June, it,s certainly not silly atall. So will Ennis go back to Brokeback Mountain one last time to tell Jack that worrell is dead and he can rest in peace now? Then maybe he can at last get on with his life with Ellery. I wonder if Ennis will ever be able to stop blaming himself over Jacks death? I do hope so., he deserves to be happy..he,s been through so much emotionally, they both have. :( :(
I have a feeling that deep down a part of Ennis will keep blaming himself, torturing himself with 'what if's' but I hope that with time and with Ellery's help and love this will be something he'll be able to live with or hopefully get past.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 23, 2006, 04:48:58 am
Quote from: souxi on September 23, 2006, 04:28:25 am
Good morning June. Nice to see you up and about. All set for more hip thrusts then?  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Good morning to you too Souxi. I feel really lazy for getting up so late this morning  ::)  ;D Are you an early riser?
Oh yeah, I'm all set! But I have a feeling there will be more sadness waiting for us, what with that sick fuck Worrell dying  :(  :( And I'll be out for most of the afternoon and evening so I won't get to read till much later  :( :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 04:55:54 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 23, 2006, 04:48:58 am
Good morning to you too Souxi. I feel really lazy for getting up so late this morning  ::)  ;D Are you an early riser?
Oh yeah, I'm all set! But I have a feeling there will be more sadness waiting for us, what with that sick fuck Worrell dying  :(  :( And I'll be out for most of the afternoon and evening so I won't get to read till much later  :( :(

Yup I sure am. I,m always up by 6.30 at least, even in winter..I cant lay around in bed, I have updates to check lol. Yes sadly I fear you are right, re the sadness with worrell. I wonder if Ennis will go and see Jacks mum at lightining flat now?Your going out? but but but,that means real life is getting in the way of the important things, like hip thrusts!!  :o :o Good grief June I hope you feel better soon lol. Real life cant be good for you ya know lol. ;) ;) Have a good day. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 23, 2006, 06:03:34 am
Quote from: souxi on September 23, 2006, 04:55:54 am
Yup I sure am. I,m always up by 6.30 at least, even in winter..I cant lay around in bed, I have updates to check lol. Yes sadly I fear you are right, re the sadness with worrell. I wonder if Ennis will go and see Jacks mum at lightining flat now?Your going out? but but but,that means real life is getting in the way of the important things, like hip thrusts!!  :o :o Good grief June I hope you feel better soon lol. Real life cant be good for you ya know lol. ;) ;) Have a good day. :) :)
Haha, yeah, I must be losing my mind eh, letting RL get in the way of my computer time and reading Slash!! LOL! Well souxi, from February till about July I've pratically been online day and night, I used to be very active on the DC boards and it's over there that I got addicted to reading Slash. I'm taking it much easier now  ;D it was just getting a bit too much, taking up ALL my time. I still spend a hell of a lot of time reading Slash, I just can't stay away from that!  ;D Especially not from E+E!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 23, 2006, 06:29:09 am
Quote from: souxi on September 23, 2006, 04:55:54 am
Yup I sure am. I,m always up by 6.30 at least, even in winter..I cant lay around in bed, I have updates to check lol. Yes sadly I fear you are right, re the sadness with worrell. I wonder if Ennis will go and see Jacks mum at lightining flat now?Your going out? but but but,that means real life is getting in the way of the important things, like hip thrusts!!  :o :o Good grief June I hope you feel better soon lol. Real life cant be good for you ya know lol. ;) ;) Have a good day. :) :)

Hey Souxi,

I was wondering the same thing: if Ennis was going to drive to Lightning Flat to give Jack's mother the news. But somehow I don't think so, not with junior with a sprained ankle, and Ellery with a dislocated rib. I don't see Ennis putting Ellery in more pain than he already is. It's a bad idea, IMO. It'll be too much considering the hard time Ellery had in Brokeback. Besides, Ennis told himself he didn't want Ellery to feel like leftovers, again. He could go by himself, but it'll be illegal I think. Ellery has to deliver those news himself as a part of his job.   

Anyway, I think Ennis needs some closure now. He'll always love Jack, but he has to stop grieving sometime, and go on with his life. I think it will be just a phone call, just like Wes suggested. But we'll see what the writer decides!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 23, 2006, 07:08:45 am
Greetings everyone,

Leslie checking in from Boston. I can't get the wifi on my laptop to work so I am here in the business center. Sigh...it's always something.

Thanks for another great chapter, Louise.

For updates on our Boston get together, go check the New England gatherinig thread Chez Tremblay. We are having a blast!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 07:23:36 am
Quote from: Monica on September 22, 2006, 08:57:38 pm
Louise, I totally agree with you.  No matter what brought Jack to Austin that fateful night, he certainly did not ask for or deserve what happened to him. 

I don't mean to re-hash past chapters, but I just wanted to share a few thoughts.  What I appreciated about the "last confession" was it brought out aspects of Jack's conflicted life which rang true with me.  Yes he was a gay man, and had some anonymous sex with men at times (as gay men sometimes will do).  And he most likely was lonely and attracted to Worrell (though I got the impression Worrell creeped him out by the time they left the bar).  But he was married and loved his wife and son, he still thought of his parents’ well being, and he also appreciated how Ennis might feel about their fidelity to each other.   

I know Ennis may never get over what happened to Jack, and the way you write about Ennis's grief also rings true with me.  It is always lurking behind the surface.  Ok, enough with this or I will start crying again!

About the picture gallery, I will definitely check it out.  I noticed and loved some of the photos I saw on this thread.  I am on my way to the gallery!

Tara

Tara,

There is "no such thing" as rehashing old chapters!  Now that I have a statistic counter on my Livejournal, I can see what people are reading, and HOW MANY people are reading, and while there are certainly a whole lot of people up to date, there have been in the past 24 hours since I got the thing installed, indications of 3 people reading "Looking for Answers", one person reading "Taking Chances" and four people reading "A Second Chance" as well as more reading "Shelter" and the bulk reading "The Long Way Home."  Discussion is not limited to the latest chapter!

What I wrote about Jack's motives for going to Austin, and his regret about hurting Ennis with his other sexual activities, reflects my own belief that Jack loved Ennis deeply, and that his love for Ennis affected his emotions and behavior after their last meeting, leaving him with a need to look at himself, causing him to hesitate before meeting up with other men - even anonymous prostitutes.  I would even go so far as to say that his extracurricular sex with men was something he felt guilty about.  He didn't simply hide it to keep from angering Ennis - I think he hid it because he felt ashamed of it, that he was "not like Ennis", who clearly had not gone out seeking other men's company between their meetings.  But that is only my own fan fic interpretation.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 07:30:54 am
 
Statistics and more statistics!

Okay, I have had a stats counter running on my latest three books for a full 24 hours, which gave an accurate measure of unique hosts that have connected up to read the Laramie Saga.  In a 24 hour period from noon yesterday to noon today CET, the number of unique hosts connecting to read the Laramie Saga (individual computers) is 285, with a total hit count of 3,500.

Holy COW!

Breakdown by country:

USA:  66%
Canada: 15%
UK: 6%
Germany: 6%
New Zealand: 2%
Netherlands: 2%
Hong Kong: 2%
Other: 4%

I am sure this will change slightly over the weekend, but overnight, America and Canada overtook the statistics (since they are in the later time zone) and smothered us Europeans, who are painfully overrepresented at Bettermost.

How many Americans are here on the discussion, anyhow?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 23, 2006, 08:01:27 am
How many Americans? Where is neatfreak's list? That was pretty up-to-date last time she posted it, I think.

I am here...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 23, 2006, 08:05:46 am
You are a caution Louise - just like a kid in a candy store with your new all singing, all dancing statistics counter.

Perhaps instead of new chapters, from now on all we will be be getting are statistical updates!! LOL  ;D

PS What percentage of readers are from Australia?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 08:47:25 am
now don't be that way, Jo, you folks got 3 chapters out of my yesterday, and I have to scrub my stove for visitors before I get down to more gettin fancy in Riverton.

The answer to "how many users in Australia" is... on the weekly report I haven't got yet, but the reply must be, to date, part of the 4% that is "other."  I would say less than 3 have logged on in the last day since I am seeing the top 20.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 10:30:39 am
Okay, I got off my duff and wrote an update:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/119274.html  "Chapter 61:  No Going Back"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 10:47:35 am
Louise there is something weird going on with LJ. I can click on the link on the thread and read the next chapter, but on LJ, if I click on the forward arrow, it says, "error, you must be logged in to view this protected entry". Dunno why that is.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 10:53:07 am
Go on past that to the next link.  I wrote a locked entry after Chapter 60 which only a private group can read, regarding the recent spam situation, so that I could notify the appropriate parties.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 23, 2006, 11:13:27 am
Quote from: louisev on September 23, 2006, 10:53:07 am
Go on past that to the next link.  I wrote a locked entry after Chapter 60 which only a private group can read, regarding the recent spam situation, so that I could notify the appropriate parties.

Not sure I understand. I logged into my account on LJ and still couldn't see chapter 61, not by hitting the forward arrow. But well, I used the link you posted here, and bookmarked the page. Anyway, great chapter. It seems like Ennis is finally feeling some closure regarding Jack, and admitting the heartwrenching reality that there's nothing he can do to make it right with Jack. What's past is past, no matter how painful the past is. He has to forgive himself for what happened with Jack. However, he is still on time to make it right with Ellery and not make the same mistakes. Hopefully Alma gets over her anger too. There's nothing she can do to change Ennis's ways, and like she thought, there's no going back. I also hope Ellery does get better soon, so they can continue with their vacation!

 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 23, 2006, 11:33:22 am
Thanks for link---I didn't get any forward arrow with the error message so there wasn't anywhere to go from there.  I bookmarked it too-so now I can go on when I check. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 11:35:14 am
I couldnt either. After chapter 60, theres the protected entry page, but there isnt an option to forward the page.The forward arrow at the top of the page is greyed out and there is no other arrows there like there normally is to check for the next chapter. Never mind I can just click the links here and save it. Good chapter though, Like you said, opinionista, Ennis finally has to try and forgive himself for Jack. Isnt is sad how, even now, he still thinks he didnt deserve Jack and probably thinks he doesnt deserve Ellery either? He doesnt have a very high opinion of himself does he?


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 11:35:53 am
dangit! I didn't know writing a protected entry was going to screw up the entire universe!  egad!  let me fiddle with it.

Could you guys try again and see if you can forward past chapter  60 now?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 23, 2006, 11:42:13 am
Quote from: souxi on September 23, 2006, 04:23:02 am
Likewise June, it,s certainly not silly atall. So will Ennis go back to Brokeback Mountain one last time to tell Jack that worrell is dead and he can rest in peace now? Then maybe he can at last get on with his life with Ellery. I wonder if Ennis will ever be able to stop blaming himself over Jacks death? I do hope so., he deserves to be happy..he,s been through so much emotionally, they both have. :( :(

somehow I don't see Ennis going back---lets face it--IF Jack is looking down, he already knows.
And settling what was between them emotionally, the monument, the addtional information was much more important to both Ennis and Jack's memory, making that peace was more important in my opinion than his trying to tell Jack that his murder died--so justice was served.   Justice like that is for the living--the dead don't care by then.
He already told that to the stone when he was up there--just didn't know about the death part then.

If LIfe is for the living---he put Brokeback behind him last time he was up there---NOW he can remember the happy memories of his time with Jack, and leave the rest because it serves no purpose to any of them to dwell on the murder---and he more or less made his promise to himself/Ellery and Jack that because of what went before between J/E----Ennis was going to work harder at doing it better and right then next time around with Ellery.   Keeping the good and letting go of the bad is the best way to keep the best memories, and get progressing into what the future holds.  Just my own opinion.

And I don't see Ennis going back to Lighting Flat to see Jack's Mom unless Jack's Dad is dead.
Ellery already has the job of notifying the parents--so they will know, and even if Mom would be glad to see him, somehow I don't see any real positive reception of Ennis back at the homestead.
They will find out the details from Ellery, so I don't see what Ennis visiting would do now except bring back the sense of loss again.   It isn't like he kept in touch with them before, so I am not sure what they would have to say to each other now. But stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 11:42:40 am
Yup, thanks Louise, that worked again.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 23, 2006, 11:48:20 am
Quote from: souxi on September 23, 2006, 11:35:14 am
Good chapter though, Like you said, opinionista, Ennis finally has to try and forgive himself for Jack. Isnt is sad how, even now, he still thinks he didnt deserve Jack and probably thinks he doesnt deserve Ellery either? He doesnt have a very high opinion of himself does he?



Well, I didn't see it quite like that. IMO Ennis feels guilty for not giving Jack an opportunity to be together, the way Jack wanted (ranch or no ranch). In that sense, he feels he didn't deserve Jack because he hurt him,and  because he never told or showed him he loved him. I think it has nothing to do with Ennis thinking he is not enough for his men because he is Ennis. I don't think that's the case here. To me Ennis is acknowledging he made huge mistake with Jack, and doesn't want to repeat it with Ellery, because if he does, he then won't deserve Ellery's love after everything they have gone true. (I'm not sure if I'm making any sense).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 11:48:49 am
Quote from: ranchgal on September 23, 2006, 11:42:13 am
somehow I don't see Ennis going back---lets face it--IF Jack is looking down, he already knows.
And settling what was between them emotionally, the monument, the addtional information was much more important to both Ennis and Jack's memory, making that peace was more important in my opinion than his trying to tell Jack that his murder died--so justice was served.   Justice like that is for the living--the dead don't care by then.
He already told that to the stone when he was up there--just didn't know about the death part then.

If LIfe is for the living---he put Brokeback behind him last time he was up there---NOW he can remember the happy memories of his time with Jack, and leave the rest because it serves no purpose to any of them to dwell on the murder---and he more or less made his promise to himself/Ellery and Jack that because of what went before between J/E----Ennis was going to work harder at doing it better and right then next time around with Ellery.   Keeping the good and letting go of the bad is the best way to keep the best memories, and get progressing into what the future holds.  Just my own opinion.


Yep and I completly agree with you. That was a very thought provoking post that lol. Made me sit here and have a deep and meaningfull think.  Onwards and upwards from now on. Do you think Ennis will wear a ring or something similar, I dunno, like a chain maybe if Ellery got him one? Thats something else for me to sit and ponder about lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 11:50:07 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 23, 2006, 11:48:20 am
Well, I didn't see it quite like that. IMO Ennis feels guilty for not giving Jack an opportunity to be together, the way Jack wanted (ranch or no ranch). In that sense, he feels he didn't deserve Jack because he hurt him,and  because he never told or showed him he loved him. I think it has nothing to do with Ennis thinking he is not enough for his men because he is Ennis. I don't think that's the case here. To me Ennis is acknowledging he made huge mistake with Jack, and doesn't want to repeat it with Ellery, because if he does, he then won't deserve Ellery's love after everything they have gone true. (I'm not sure if I'm making any sense).

Yes you are making perfect sense lol. Your quite right too.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 23, 2006, 12:10:39 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 23, 2006, 11:48:49 am
Onwards and upwards from now on. Do you think Ennis will wear a ring or something similar, I dunno, like a chain maybe if Ellery got him one? Thats something else for me to sit and ponder about lol.


SIGH, my ideal would be a choker type chain with maybe a neat significant stone or pendant, or maybe an engraved western cuff type bracelet---somehow, I see him balking at a ring, because of the society's interpretation--almost too visible, and the significance too well understood, and maybe taken for granted--like they would have to explain it every time someone said anything about "where's your wife?" type things--  A different type of masculine jewelry-that had significance only too THEM I could see Ennis maybe trying to wear---But it isn't something I see him either bringing up first OR being willing to wear without lots of thinking.   However, IF Ellery gave him something significant, for a anniversary, or Christmas with feelings---Ennis may actually come to his own conclusions about it matters so much to Ellery, it matters to me too--and once his mind gets going on the idea---I can see him wearing something.

BUT it would be an initial HARD SELL!! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 12:13:30 pm
okay folks.... more Alma goodness... er. yeah.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/119533.html  "Chapter 62:  Making Up"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 12:14:56 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on September 23, 2006, 12:10:39 pm

SIGH, my ideal would be a choker type chain with maybe a neat significant stone or pendant, or maybe an engraved western cuff type bracelet---somehow, I see him balking at a ring, because of the society's interpretation--almost too visible, and the significance too well understood, and maybe taken for granted--like they would have to explain it every time someone said anything about "where's your wife?" type things--  A different type of jewelry-that had significance only too THEM I could see Ennis maybe trying to wear---But it isn't something I see him either bringing up first OR being willing to wear without lots of thinking.   However, IF Ellery gave him something significant, for a anniversary, or Christmas with feelings---Ennis may actually come to his own conclusions about it matters so much to Ellery, it matters to me too--and once his mind gets going on the idea---I can see him wearing something.

BUT it would be an initial HARD SELL!! LOL

oh don't worry.  The light bulb has gone off in Ellery's head already, and he has an idea that he thinks can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 12:29:09 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on September 23, 2006, 12:10:39 pm

SIGH, my ideal would be a choker type chain with maybe a neat significant stone or pendant, or maybe an engraved western cuff type bracelet---somehow, I see him balking at a ring, because of the society's interpretation--almost too visible, and the significance too well understood, and maybe taken for granted--like they would have to explain it every time someone said anything about "where's your wife?" type things--  A different type of masculine jewelry-that had significance only too THEM I could see Ennis maybe trying to wear---But it isn't something I see him either bringing up first OR being willing to wear without lots of thinking.   However, IF Ellery gave him something significant, for a anniversary, or Christmas with feelings---Ennis may actually come to his own conclusions about it matters so much to Ellery, it matters to me too--and once his mind gets going on the idea---I can see him wearing something.

BUT it would be an initial HARD SELL!! LOL


Yeah I like the idea of a chain. I can completly see your point about a ring and remarks about a wife. Lots of men wear chains so no one would be suspicious if Ennis would be worried about that. So, gold or silver then?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 01:09:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 23, 2006, 12:14:56 pm
oh don't worry.  The light bulb has gone off in Ellery's head already, and he has an idea that he thinks can't go wrong.

Oh good. Well lets hope whatever it is, Ennis likes it then. There has been more than enough angst and stress in their lives lately. Time for some peace and harmony for a change. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 23, 2006, 03:07:35 pm
Howdy!
I just had to go and rec/pimp and gush about LS over at the Brokeback-Got_Us_Good Yahoo Group.  Here's part of what I posted:

*... I highly recommend it, but don't take my word for it. If you like
interesting, non AU where Ennis gets a second chance at happiness,
angsty, yet hopeful and inspiring, great OC's, cool plots, laced with
plenty of humor and hot smex, all rolled into one fic, then you will
love The Laramie Saga. Check it out.*

Maybe we'll get even MORE new fans to join in!  Yee-haw!   ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 23, 2006, 03:13:57 pm
Shelter from the storm, chapter 11.

Ellery nodded, then raised his head, seeking his lips. They kissed, gently, as he snaked his arm around Ennis’s chest and put his hand on his shoulder. Ennis’s tongue slipped between his lips, and Ennis moaned, his body tensing slightly with the stirrings of arousal. Once again, Ellery drew back, breaking the kiss. Ennis was panting, eyes dilated.

“Come on darlin...” he muttered.

“We can’t do this, Ennis, ya need ta rest.”

“What... you started the kissin.”

“Yeah but that’s all it is, kissin.”

“Ellery... can’t ya... stroke me off or somethin?”

Ellery was surprised. “You want me ta do that?”

Ennis closed his eyes, gulped, and nodded. “I ain’t gonna sleep too well with you here by me if somethin don’t happen.”

“How about if I suck ya off?”

Ennis shook his head, reluctantly, opening his eyes. “I think I’d get too excited. Just... yer hand tonight.”

“All right.” Ellery moved back in, lips touching Ennis’s lips, and brought his right hand down to the exposed belly beneath the snugly wrapped bandage, brushing the patch of curls above his cock, making him stir. Ennis’s tongue probed, and he moaned as he grew erect, and Ellery gripped his cock lightly, stroking down as his tongue brushed Ennis’s tongue, his hand stroking gently and firmly.

“Oh... yeah,” Ennis whispered, his hips rising slightly to anticipate the movement of his hand, and his eyes snapped open, looking into Ellery’s smoky eyes. Ennis tightened his arm around Ellery’s back, holding him close, and his hips rose again, his cock now rigid in Ellery’s stroking hand.

“Easy does it,” Ellery cautioned him, slowing his strokes to keep Ennis from bucking. “Yer back, remember...”

Ennis moaned inarticulately, renewing his assault on Ellery’s mouth, his tongue driving in as he began making shorter, more rapid movements in response to the masturbation. Ellery responded by tightening his grip, making a hard circle with his fingers, stimulating him from base to tip, tugging his shaft as he moaned and twitched. Ellery wanted to suck that tip, swallow the velvety shaft over and over, and taste the warm spurt as his ears filled with Ennis’s moans. He swallowed, sucking on Ennis’s intruding tongue, his own hips thrusting against Ennis’s thigh as he pleasured him.

Ennis broke the kiss suddenly by throwing his head back, panting, and a low growl rose from his open mouth, and he arched his back, thrusting up and through Ellery’s pumping hand, a jet of come erupting between the long fingers. He sank back onto the mattress, shuddering.

“Hmmm... you liked that, boy,” Ellery said, gathering up the warm come in his hand and raising it to his mouth. Keeping his eyes on Ennis’s face, he licked his hand methodically.

“Oh.. yeah.”

Ellery let his tongue flicker over his fingers, lapping up his lover’s sticky fluid. “Ya taste good, even all banged up.”

Ennis shuddered again, his eyes riveted to Ellery’s licking tongue. “Ya drive me crazy when ya do that.”

“Ya drive me crazy all the time, sweetheart. Now we got that outta the way...” He leaned back, sliding his wet hand, still sticky, over his own erection, lubricating it. “Ya get ta watch me come.”

“Mmmm... yeah.”

Ellery closed his eyes partway, keeping focused on Ennis’s flushed face, his still heaving chest, and arched up as he began to stroke himself. Masturbation was a completely different experience when observed... for Ellery, it too on more of a performance aspect, his hips rising in rhythm with his stroking hand, fingering the tip and slit of his cock as it wept droplets of precome, adding them to the moisture of Ennis’s come as he stroked, flicking his balls with his fingers with each stroke. He imagined himself impaled on Ennis’s erection as he pumped himself, the image electrifying him with pleasure, and he moaned with delight as Ennis reached over with a hand and latched onto his left nipple, twisting it roughly, causing him to shiver with the stimulation.

“Come on darlin, come on,” Ennis urged, twisting the darkening red flesh of his nipple, Ennis’s pulse once again racing with the excitement of watching Ellery pleasure himself.

“Oh...” Ellery sighed, his hips driving upward as he worked his cock with feverish strokes. He imagined himself held down, Ennis’s hand holding a fistfull if hair, thighs spread, Ennis’s cock driving deep between his cheeks, his cock pulsing with pleasure as it rubbed against the sheet, hearing that groaning cry of pleasure as Ennis released, provoking his own explosion: “Oh fuck...!” he came, squeezing the base of his cock and then upward to the tip as a second jet of come squirted out and across his thigh, dribbling down against Ennis’ thigh. Ennis released his grip on Ellery’s nipple and touched the wet tip of his cock, dabbing his fingers in the hot pool, then brought them to his mouth, grinning at Ellery as his tongue darted out and tasted him. Ellery panted, watching Ennis imitate him and lap his fingers, swallowing.

Just a little something to end my day on.  ;) ;) Night all, c ya tomorow for some more hip thrusts June lol. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 03:27:11 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/119668.html  "Chapter 63:  The Secrets Girls Share"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 23, 2006, 04:13:34 pm
Nite Souxi! I just got in and read this sexy stuff and I might as well head right back into that cold airco car of mine!! OMFG!  ;D You're doing it on purpose aren't you?!?  ;D Any 'hip thrust' chaps been posted??  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 04:54:59 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 23, 2006, 03:07:35 pm
Howdy!
I just had to go and rec/pimp and gush about LS over at the Brokeback-Got_Us_Good Yahoo Group.  Here's part of what I posted:

*... I highly recommend it, but don't take my word for it. If you like
interesting, non AU where Ennis gets a second chance at happiness,
angsty, yet hopeful and inspiring, great OC's, cool plots, laced with
plenty of humor and hot smex, all rolled into one fic, then you will
love The Laramie Saga. Check it out.*

Maybe we'll get even MORE new fans to join in!  Yee-haw!   ;D



Well you do know that wherever and whenever you recommend the Laramie Saga, there will be dissent.  I went and peeked in and already it has started.  I posted a followup to your rec with thanks, and see what happens.  I am not going to enter into yet another debate, however.  Readers can take a rec or not, as they wish... I am still watching the statistics on unique users climb... and still not believing it.  Maybe the counter's broken!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 05:20:00 pm
And what a difference a day makes!

These are of course, all preliminary counts, since I didn't really get all of the stats counters into place until sometime late last evening, but today, Europe is making an incredibly strong showing:

US                    57%
Germany            14%
UK                     9%
Canada               8%
New Zealand       3%
Other                 8%

In that OTHER:

Netherlands, Hong Kong, Switzerland in a 3 way tie
and Denmark and Finland to fill out the Top Ten countries.

And total unique hosts reading the Laramie Saga as of 11:30 CET (since yesterday noon, 36 hour total) is 352.  When that number flattens out (if it does) that will give an indication of a stable number of users.  If it doesn't it means new people are showing up each day.  I won't know that for a couple of weeks.  But ... WOW.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 23, 2006, 06:06:21 pm
Thanks for the chapter updates Louisev!

I'm Loving every one of them!

David   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 06:21:32 pm
whoo hoo!  Thanks, David!

And for you late European lurkers, and you after dinner Americans, I am typity typing another chapter, "in Ennis's head." Just because I can.

Tomorrow may be a little lean chapter-wise since I will be entertaining in the afternoon and evening.  *yes, I have a life*

So you get your bonus chapters TODAY.  Tomorrow I have to finish cleaning and doing my wash too.  Eeeeek.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 07:07:58 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/119906.html  "Chapter 64:  In His Bed"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 23, 2006, 07:26:54 pm
What a treat!  4 chapters in a day, great chapters, Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 23, 2006, 08:08:20 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 23, 2006, 12:29:09 pm

Yeah I like the idea of a chain. I can completly see your point about a ring and remarks about a wife. Lots of men wear chains so no one would be suspicious if Ennis would be worried about that. So, gold or silver then?

Well there we have a problem, because the best color for Ennis is gold, and the best color for Ellery is silver---so in my mind, I can have them have something that matches or is significant to each one, each in his own color.   Unlike wedding rings that always seem to match----my hubby and I are that way-I am gold and he is sliver---so our wedding rings are wider gold middle bands with silver bands on the outside-that way both colors are in the rings.  Dumb now, but made sense to me at the time--plus I still like them, even though neither of us wear ours unless we are dressing up. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 23, 2006, 08:50:05 pm
Okay, now that I spoiled everyone TO DEATH with extra bonus chapters, tomorrow I have company, and I still have cleaning to do...

so  *ahem*

I might only get one (or maybe no) chapters written.  However you had FOUR today so there shouldn't be any complaints.  And many of you are busy at your Boston and NY bashes in any case!  So enjoy your Sunday if you don't see me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 23, 2006, 08:59:28 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 23, 2006, 04:54:59 pm
Well you do know that wherever and whenever you recommend the Laramie Saga, there will be dissent.  I went and peeked in and already it has started.  I posted a followup to your rec with thanks, and see what happens.  I am not going to enter into yet another debate, however.  Readers can take a rec or not, as they wish... I am still watching the statistics on unique users climb... and still not believing it.  Maybe the counter's broken!!!

Yep, I just found that!  Basically , my response to to them was to either read it or don't, but don't knock it unless you've actually read it.
I've noticed there are a couple of people over there that have trashed every BBM story I've ever recommended.  Guess I'm not part of 'the clique'.  Such negativity.  *snort*   :P  I don't spend much time there, as some of them seem to be only into each other's fics that are posted to the group.

Oooo, wheeee!  Just pulled up chapter 64!  I'm off to read now ...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 23, 2006, 10:49:01 pm
A-h-h-h-h ...
Sweet, introspective, beautiful chapter.

Just ... perfect.

It's almost 11 pm in the eastern U.S. and I can now go to bed content. 

Good night, all.

*happy sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Monica on September 24, 2006, 01:34:16 am
Spoilers chapter 63 and 64

Ok, I loved the flashback to Ennis and Ellery's first meeting in chapter 64.  I have to admit I fell in love with Ellery from the start.  Their sudden attraction was so touching!

//He tried to think back, to the moment Ellery stood like a dark-clad vision at the top of the stairs in the upstairs apartment at the Red Stallion, even then, a smirk tugging at the edges of his mouth, as if there were some latent humor to be found in every situation. Ennis felt affronted by the casual command Ellery took of the situation – of him – that Friday morning. When had he fallen in love, then? Over dinner in the Rose Hotel? That drunken night when he had gone with Ellery to his house, and wept over the journal? It was all so sudden – so abrupt, so unexpected.//

And I loved Junior and Francine's girl talk in chapter 63.  It is so funny, they remind me of myself when I was that age.  I had a gay relative and I admit I was curious just like they are about Ellery, just not in a sexual way.    Too funny!!!

Tara
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Monica on September 24, 2006, 01:38:26 am
Quote from: louisev on September 23, 2006, 07:23:36 am
Tara,

There is "no such thing" as rehashing old chapters!  Now that I have a statistic counter on my Livejournal, I can see what people are reading, and HOW MANY people are reading, and while there are certainly a whole lot of people up to date, there have been in the past 24 hours since I got the thing installed, indications of 3 people reading "Looking for Answers", one person reading "Taking Chances" and four people reading "A Second Chance" as well as more reading "Shelter" and the bulk reading "The Long Way Home."  Discussion is not limited to the latest chapter!

What I wrote about Jack's motives for going to Austin, and his regret about hurting Ennis with his other sexual activities, reflects my own belief that Jack loved Ennis deeply, and that his love for Ennis affected his emotions and behavior after their last meeting, leaving him with a need to look at himself, causing him to hesitate before meeting up with other men - even anonymous prostitutes.  I would even go so far as to say that his extracurricular sex with men was something he felt guilty about.  He didn't simply hide it to keep from angering Ennis - I think he hid it because he felt ashamed of it, that he was "not like Ennis", who clearly had not gone out seeking other men's company between their meetings.  But that is only my own fan fic interpretation.



I hope you know  I am going to be rehasing old chapters all of the time now that you said that,  ;D.

I agree with everything you said about Jack whole heartedly!  I have complete faith in your fan fic interpretation.

Tara
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 24, 2006, 03:00:43 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/elleryasleep-1.jpg)

The sight which greets Ennis at the Holiday Inn. Ellery sleeping like a baby.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 24, 2006, 03:42:20 am
Well, theres a gorgeous sight to see first thing in the morning.  :P :P No wonder poor Ennis finds it hard to control himself, I,m having a hard time myself now, and it,s only 8.30 am. I need a cold shower after looking at that, and June will have to go for another drive. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 04:02:19 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 24, 2006, 03:00:43 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/elleryasleep-1.jpg)

The sight which greets Ennis at the Holiday Inn. Ellery sleeping like a baby.


Mmmmm.... niiiiiiiiice.  Love those naked shoulders.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 24, 2006, 05:52:32 am
Quote from: louisev on September 23, 2006, 08:50:05 pm
Okay, now that I spoiled everyone TO DEATH with extra bonus chapters, tomorrow I have company, and I still have cleaning to do...

so  *ahem*

I might only get one (or maybe no) chapters written.  However you had FOUR today so there shouldn't be any complaints.  And many of you are busy at your Boston and NY bashes in any case!  So enjoy your Sunday if you don't see me!

Have a great time today Louise. We can wait for the chapters, don't worry. You go and have some fun.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 06:19:30 am
A brief statistic from overnight: as before, the UK got overtaken by Canada once more as the late readers on the west coast took over:

US:  57%
Canada: 12%
UK:  10%
Germany: 10%
Australia:  3%
New Zealand: 2%
Other: 6%

In other:

Netherlands
Sweden
Hong Kong
Austria

round out the top 10.

Netherlands is holding fast to 7th place: not bad for such a small country!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 07:34:19 am
*whoo wee!  The house is passably, er, clean!*

And I still have an hour or so till company comes.  Just put in this load of wash here... and I should have chapter 65 whipped off before I have my visitor!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 08:20:06 am
And here it is:

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/120233.html  "Chapter 65:  An Awakening"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 24, 2006, 08:20:40 am
Great.  So, at least we'll have a chapter today.   :D

ETA:  AW, you've already posted it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 08:31:29 am
yup!  If company doesnt stay too long I may be able to get another chapter done tonight, but that won't be for maaaany hours!

And my insane delight with statistics is dying down, however, the following just boggles my mind:

In just over 2 full days (50 hours), there have been 421 unique hosts connecting to my Livejournal, and the number of new, previously untracked hosts reading the Laramie Saga is... astonishing.  Thank you all for reading.  I have been writing fiction in obscurity for the past ten years, wondering if anyone would ever show more than a feeble interest in my writing... and that hope has been fulfilled.

I am very, very grateful to all of you.  And that includes all of you lurkers!

love and kisses and gettin fancy!

Louise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 24, 2006, 08:44:07 am
you have a wonderful sunday afternoon Louise!

Quote from: louisev on September 24, 2006, 08:31:29 am

I am very, very grateful to all of you.  And that includes all of you lurkers!

love and kisses and gettin fancy!

Louise

 :-*  :-*  :-*

off to read the new chapter! yippee
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 08:57:12 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 24, 2006, 03:00:43 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/elleryasleep-1.jpg)

The sight which greets Ennis at the Holiday Inn. Ellery sleeping like a baby.
Ooooooh.....beautiful Jo, thank you!

Yeah Louise, love those shoulders and those sweet lips.....*sigh....*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 24, 2006, 08:57:20 am
yup!  If company doesnt stay too long I may be able to get another chapter done tonight, but that won't be for maaaany hours!



cant you drop a subtle hint? ;) ;) ;) ;). Seriously though, you did spoil us yesterday and we appreciate it. Do your guests know about this story? If not, why not? They dont know what they are missing. Maybe Ellery needs one of Ennis,s famous massages, front and back? To help with his aches and pains of course. ;) Me and June could pass the oil couldnt we June? And we get to watch too, yippeeeee lol. Noooooooooo trouble atall lol. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 24, 2006, 08:59:28 am
Yeah, Louise, you have a wonderful time with your guests.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 09:01:07 am
of course right now I feel MASSIVELY GUILTY.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 24, 2006, 09:07:42 am
Ooooooooooo June look what I found amongst my MANY saved chapters lol. Just to send you to the cold shower again lol.

This was called a special request.(it certainly was a nice one lol)


He pressed the tip of his tongue against his pucker, then away, rubbing it up and around, making a slow circle before pressing against it again, getting almost inside as it twitched once more, a shudder going through Ennis’s body, Ellery keeping a slow and stately rhythm of soft strokes, down from the base of his cock and up, as though in slow motion, and made another circuit of his sphincter before pressing against it once more, this time greeted by a harder, more insistent twitch, and pressed, the tip of his tongue sliding slightly in, closing his lips around it and then pressing further. Ennis gasped, gripping the pillow below him, his ass trembling. Ellery wiggled his tongue and pressed deeper, pulled back and started tonguing him with that same stately rhythm he was using on his cock, and Ennis’s head flew up, his back arching. “Oh... jesus god,” he choked out, hardly able to speak.

Ellery slid his left hand down and pressed it lightly behind his balls, stroking his perineum as his tongue slid smoothly in, twisting his head slightly to give more stimulation to the delicate pucker as it reacted to every slightest sensation, Ennis now panting heavily and audibly, his hips rising and falling against the sliding movement, pressing against the tongue as Ellery stroked the delicate spot over his prostate, and Ennis’s eyesight grew dim, his ass twitching as he fought the urge to buck against that teasing tongue. “Oh... god... this is ... ahhh..” his voice strangled as Ellery's tongue explored him, fucking him with the most delicate strokes imaginable, and his body began to tremble rhythmically as a slow-building explosion began to mount from the base of his spine. “Yeah, muh ... more...” he begged, stuttering, his knees stiff, his hips mobile, trying to get the entire pleasure of the tongue urging him moment by moment closer to a flashpoint, his cock now thick and turgid as it thrust against Ellery’s hand, now giving him a firmer grip and a slightly faster stroke.

He knew he couldn’t drag Ennis out much further, pressing his first two fingers firmly behind his balls and stroking up, he thrust his tongue deeply inside, now intent, his hand gripping his cock and tugging, the instructions now clear, and Ennis obeyed those stroking fingers, his orgasm rising like a long-held geyser, jetting out over Ellery’s hand as gasped out a choked exclamation... “oh fuck....” his ass spasming rapidly now with the release. Ellery slid his right hand off Ennis’s cock, now coated with semen, straightened up to his knees, pulled out, wiped the hot come into the crack of his ass, wasting no time, and then slid two fingers deep inside him, holding him open. Ennis jerked beneath him in surprise, grunting loudly.

“Time fer fuckin... ya ready?”

“Uhhhh ...” Ennis replied, incoherent. Ellery slid his fingers in and out, slowly, working him further open, then pressed his ring finger in, listening for a change in the sound of Ennis’s moans.

“This feel good?” he asked, more softly, going slowly but not sparing him a full thrust of his fingers, right up to the knuckle, and cracked a smile as he watched Ennis’s ass move back.

“Yeah.”

“Good,” he did not pull out just yet, but continued working his slick fingers into Ennis’s hole, the spasms now subsiding into post orgasmic relaxation, then he slid his fingers out and slid his left hand over his hip, stroking his ass gently, soothing him.

“Just gonna lube up a little more, you’ll be okay...” he said, hand still stroking, before reaching for the Vaseline, coating his cock thickly before pressing it against the trembling sphincter once more.

“Ennis?”

“Hunh...” came the reply from beneath him.

“Got ta press down against me, soon as ya feel me, push, okay?”

“Uh huh.” Ellery closed his eyes, and pressed the head of his cock into the tight ring, neck throbbing with his racing pulse, and Ennis let out a hard groan. Despite his orgasm, the liquor, and all the preparation, Ennis was still tight. Ellery stroked his flanks, making shushing sounds as he stroked his ass.

“Just relax, just relax, we’ll wait.” He knew that Ennis was afraid now, and this might be the point at which he would have to pull out, beat off, and reassure him, or get Ennis hard again so he could fuck him.... it was a risk he had to take, turning the tables this way.

“No, I’m okay, do it,” came the growled reply. “Fuck me darlin,” he added, and Ellery watched his hands once more clench on the pillow.

“Just gonna go slow,” he said, and then began to move, as slowly as possible, listening to the hiss of his breath, the tenor of his groans, and the sigh of submission as Ennis’s body accepted the invasion of his cock.

“You okay?” Ellery asked, hearing Ennis’s breath begin to slow.

“Do it,” Ennis growled once more, arching up, impatient now, and Ellery pulled back, thrusting gently, his hands still caressing the trembling hips, but Ennis bucked back on him, a fierce pleasure at the penetration, now taking hold, his grunts of arousal as his cock grew hard under the internal pressure of Ellery’s cock, and soon, they were striving together, the still gentle thrusts now full and deep, his pelvis slapping against the smooth muscles of Ennis’s ass, and Ellery had to hold on to steady himself, gripping his hips, urged on by the low growls of Ennis urging him... “come on, come on...” and he came on, driving deep into the impossible tightness of Ennis’s bowels, and he felt himself tighten and ascend, leaning over Ennis’s back and straightening up now, buried deep as even in the superior position, he was obeying Ennis’s dominant need.

“Oh god, I’m comin....” Ellery said, voice soft, faint, and he thrust hard, hands tightening, control lost somewhere in the background of his thoughts, smothered by the low howl of release as Ennis shuddered and came before him, clenching his cock in an irresistible grip and forcing his eruption. He pulled back and drove into him several more times, once for each spasm of pleasure, with smaller ejaculations each time.

At last, the spasms ended, and the pressure on his cock lessened and he felt himself slip out, and he stroked those muscular flanks once more, placing a kiss on the small of Ennis’s back before he pulled out completely, flopping down on the bed, knees bent up, and now spent. Ennis rose onto his hands, straightening his elbows. “Holy fuck, Ellery...” he whispered, before reaching for the cigar box and lighter and turning over on his back, flopping down against the pillow as he put the cigar to his lips and lighted it. He set down the lighter, right hand groping for some part of Ellery he could touch, slick with sweat from their effort.


 So whose gonna make it to that cold shower first then June? LOL. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 09:19:37 am
Quote from: louisev on September 24, 2006, 08:31:29 am

I am very, very grateful to all of you.  And that includes all of you lurkers!

love and kisses and gettin fancy!

Louise
You're more than welcome Louise  :)
I enjoy reading TLS so, so much, it's been a part of my daily routine for so long. I really don't know what I'd do if you decided to stop writing it!!
Love and kisses right back at ya and YES!! hopefully many, many gettin fancy chaps!!  ;D

 :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 24, 2006, 09:21:13 am
(http://www.inspiredliving.com/shower-filters/images/ARS5-CT.jpg)

Here it is just waitin' for you Souxi!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 09:25:13 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 24, 2006, 09:21:13 am
(http://www.inspiredliving.com/shower-filters/images/ARS5-CT.jpg)

Here it is just waitin' for you Souxi!
Heeeee Souxi! I guess you're getting under first!!! LOL!  ;D  ;D

Nice one, Jo!  ;D

And Souxi, the thing with watching is, it always makes you want to join in.....  :P  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 09:31:09 am
Quote from: souxi on September 24, 2006, 09:07:42 am
Ooooooooooo June look what I found amongst my MANY saved chapters lol. Just to send you to the cold shower again lol.

You have ALL the 'gettin fancy' chaps saved?!?
Good thinking..... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 24, 2006, 09:34:19 am
Quote from: louisev on September 23, 2006, 12:14:56 pm
oh don't worry.  The light bulb has gone off in Ellery's head already, and he has an idea that he thinks can't go wrong.

I am dying to know what the idea Ellery has for Ennis.  I am sure that with Ennis' new found realisation of how much he truly lovely Ellery, and what it means to be in love with a man, that whatever Ellery has to give him,that Ennis will accept it with love and appreciation - and a bit of getting fancy as a thank you.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 24, 2006, 10:06:02 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 24, 2006, 09:21:13 am
(http://www.inspiredliving.com/shower-filters/images/ARS5-CT.jpg)

Here it is just waitin' for you Souxi!

Hahahaha thanks for that Jo. Yes June I have loads and loads of gettin fancy chapters saved. Maybe I,ll have to print off al the really HOT ones to read eh? lol. It would be nice if the LS was published as a fanzine, then I,d never get ANYTHING done lol. I,d be under that cold shower all the time lol. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 24, 2006, 11:57:26 am
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on September 24, 2006, 08:20:06 am
And here it is:

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/120233.html  "Chapter 65:  An Awakening"

What a lovely, romantic chapter. I certainly hope Ellery feels better by Monday so they can continue with their vacation, and by Wednesday they'll be able to ride the horses again. Oh well, we'll see what happens, I guess.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 24, 2006, 02:16:20 pm
Louise have your guests gone home yet? June was complaining lol. Kidding kidding. lol. Sowwwwwy June lol. I bet Louise didnt discuss hip thrusts with her guests...LOL. ;) ;) ;D ;D :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 02:26:37 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 24, 2006, 02:16:20 pm
Louise have your guests gone home yet? June was complaining lol. Kidding kidding. lol. Sowwwwwy June lol. I bet Louise didnt discuss hip thrusts with her guests...LOL. ;) ;) ;D ;D :laugh: :laugh:
Thanks for that Souxi!   >:(  ;)  ;D
Well, we were just....wondering Louise!  :P  :-*
And dying for another update.... :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 24, 2006, 02:38:31 pm
I am back from our Boston get together and I am exhausted. What a blast we had! Lots of talk about Ennis and Ellery...lots of talk about fanfic, in general.

Now, Louise, I am done with my partying and entertaining...time for you to do the same thing! Get back to writing! LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 24, 2006, 02:46:47 pm
Guys, I was looking for some information and pictures about Kate Mara, the actress who plays Alma Junior on BBM, and look what I found in Wikipedia

Quote
Upcoming projects
Mara will appear in the film We Are Marshall starring Matthew McConaughey, which began filming April 2006 and will be released December 22, 2006. The film tells the story of the aftermath of the 1970 Marshall University plane crash. Mara plays head cheerleader Annie Cantrell.

I couldn't  believe it!  LOL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Mara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Mara)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 24, 2006, 02:57:23 pm
Annie Cantrell?     Now THAT is spooky!   :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 24, 2006, 03:10:27 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 02:26:37 pm
Thanks for that Souxi!   >:(  ;)  ;D
Well, we were just....wondering Louise!  :P  :-*
And dying for another update.... :-*

Hehehehehe lol. We were just sat here innocently wondering,Louise, wernt we June? We only have our boys best interests at heart,you see. I,ts got NOTHING to do with the fact that we are sat here, chewing our fingernails, DYING for some more hip thrusting is it June? noooooooooo not us LOL. We are good girls we are. ;) ;) ;D ;D :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 03:19:20 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 24, 2006, 02:38:31 pm
I am back from our Boston get together and I am exhausted. What a blast we had! Lots of talk about Ennis and Ellery...lots of talk about fanfic, in general.

Now, Louise, I am done with my partying and entertaining...time for you to do the same thing! Get back to writing! LOL

L
Hi Leslie!

Glad you had such a good time  :)

Any pics to look forward to sometime soon?

Yeah, you tell her too, Leslie! She's been slacking for far too long now!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 03:21:34 pm
Quote from: opinionista on September 24, 2006, 02:46:47 pm
Guys, I was looking for some information and pictures about Kate Mara, the actress who plays Alma Junior on BBM, and look what I found in Wikipedia

I couldn't  believe it!  LOL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Mara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Mara)

I can't believe it either!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 03:23:23 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 24, 2006, 03:10:27 pm
Hehehehehe lol. We were just sat here innocently wondering,Louise, wernt we June? We only have our boys best interests at heart,you see. I,ts got NOTHING to do with the fact that we are sat here, chewing our fingernails, DYING for some more hip thrusting is it June? noooooooooo not us LOL. We are good girls we are. ;) ;) ;D ;D :laugh: :laugh:
Well, I am.
Not too sure about you though......  :P  ;)

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 24, 2006, 03:28:40 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 03:23:23 pm
Well, I am.
Not too sure about you though......  :P  ;)

 8)


Hahahahha well I TRY to be good June, honest I do but, well, I start out with the BEST of intentions you see, and then I start reading LS and hip thrusts and toys and things and erm, well, all of a sudden, completly beyond my control I might add, my good thoughts are replaced with well, you know what thoughts I mean June. LOL.  ;D ;D :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 03:37:32 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 24, 2006, 03:28:40 pm

Hahahahha well I TRY to be good June, honest I do but, well, I start out with the BEST of intentions you see, and then I start reading LS and hip thrusts and toys and things and erm, well, all of a sudden, completly beyond my control I might add, my good thoughts are replaced with well, you know what thoughts I mean June. LOL.  ;D ;D :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Hmmmm
And yeah, I *do* know..... ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 24, 2006, 03:43:17 pm
And on that note, I have to depart for the night, Kids to sort out for school tomorow etc, so I shall have to wait until the morning to see if there has been any hip thrusting overnight LOL.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Be good June. ;) ;) Bring on "those" dreams LOL. ;)  Nite. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 03:51:03 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 24, 2006, 03:43:17 pm
And on that note, I have to depart for the night, Kids to sort out for school tomorow etc, so I shall have to wait until the morning to see if there has been any hip thrusting overnight LOL.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Be good June. ;) ;) Bring on "those" dreams LOL. ;)  Nite. ;D
Nite Souxi  :)
I'll pm you any dreams I might have had in the am  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 24, 2006, 03:54:32 pm
Whoo-wee Louise. I've been away with friends this weekend and couldn't wait to get back and see if you'd updated, and of course you didn't disappoint.

I loved the chapter with the girls gossiping, so funny.

Ellery really needs to be honest with Ennis about his pain levels - it's not as if Ennis is going to disappear off into the sunset if Ellery can't get it on for a few days!

Well, my fella is out this evening, my daughter's tucked up in bed, I have a large bar of fruit and nut and BBM on DVD. Ahhhhhh.............  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 04:00:07 pm
okay gang.

My guest has gone home, playing second fiddle (which she is not used to, being a first violinist!) to my statistics obsession, but she managed to discover that I forgot to put my stats code on the last five pages of my story, so none of my stats represent the traffic hits on the last two days of chapters!  (DOH!)

So all stats are conservative!

And now I am considering eating a Magnum and typity typing on chapter 66.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 04:04:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 24, 2006, 04:00:07 pm
okay gang.

My guest has gone home, playing second fiddle (which she is not used to, being a first violinist!) to my statistics obsession, but she managed to discover that I forgot to put my stats code on the last five pages of my story, so none of my stats represent the traffic hits on the last two days of chapters!  (DOH!)

So all stats are conservative!

And now I am considering eating a Magnum and typity typing on chapter 66.
Whooooo!! 66!!
Oh, go ahead and have that Mag Louise!! I whipped out some chocolate which I'm NOT allowed AT ALL but Karen got me dying for it with her fruit and nut bar!! LOL!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 24, 2006, 04:08:01 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 04:04:33 pm
Whooooo!! 66!!
Oh, go ahead and have that Mag Louise!! I whipped out some chocolate which I'm NOT allowed AT ALL but Karen got me dying for it with her fruit and nut bar!! LOL!

Sorry, didn't mean to tempt you there ;) And I had a Magnum earlier today. An almond one - yummy! But even more yummy will be some more Ellery and Ennis. Oh yes siree!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 04:10:25 pm
for you Americans, a Magnum is the dessert equivalent of a Dove Bar.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 04:14:42 pm
okay gang...

Fred and I are sitting here looking at each other in chat... why don't some of you gossipy girls click on the red lips and come say hi in the chat room?  Hmmm?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 24, 2006, 05:16:48 pm
 :'(  Well.  I'm having one hell of a crappy Sunday.   :'(
I'm trying to get a handle on my PTSD symptoms flaring up and not have an anxiety attack.  I have safety issues and it's not often that I feel confident enough to share my thoughts and opinions.
I thought for sure that because this is the E & E thread, this would be a totally LS friendly zone and therefore safe for me to say things w/o fear of repercussions.  Apparently, I was wrong.  Something that I said HERE to Louise on THIS forum say been taken by someone, copied and posted at a DIFFERENT public location for just anyone and everyone to see.  Worse, the quote is out of context and makes me look bad.  I don't know who would do this or why.  That is more than I bargained for.  What started out as simple exuberance of sharing my love of LS has gotten all twisted and mixed up.  In the process of defending my opinion of LS, I made the mistake of saying that I don't understand why anyone would make remarks against anyone else's story, especially if they hadn't read the whole thing.   It's perfectly fine to not like someone's work, but to say so about a story or an author is just not nice.  But that's just me.  I find negativity a real downer, and prefer to not hear or read about it.
Never at any point did I say that anyone was 'flaming' anyone else, and yet I've been accused of saying that very thing. I didn't want to be dragged into any kind of heated debate and I sure don't wish to drag poor Louise into this either.  She gets enough flack from many directions.  I don't know how she deals.  Must be a stronger person than me.
I sure have learned a lot today.  I'm still freaked out that my words were quoted and discussed at someone else's LJ.  I'm going into full lurker mode.  I will no longer post any recommendations for fic or get involved with discussions about BBM elsewhere.  I'm not sure I even feel safe here anymore.  Maybe this message will be posted somewhere else.   I won't be so naive again.  Any feedback I have for Louise, I'll send to her privately.
This whole mess is stressing me out and I can't talk about it anymore.  I'm done.  All I want to do is find good fic, happy fic, read it, enjoy it, and live my sucky RL vicariously through fictional characters.  I'm not asking a lot, am I?
Sorry to be so depressing.   :(  Though the tears have stopped, I'm still shaking - gotta go take my Lorazepam now.
Thanx for letting me rant.  (Blame it on the PTSD. *snort*)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 24, 2006, 05:39:50 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 24, 2006, 05:16:48 pm
:'(  Well.  I'm having one hell of a crappy Sunday.   :'(
I'm trying to get a handle on my PTSD symptoms flaring up and not have an anxiety attack.  I have safety issues and it's not often that I feel confident enough to share my thoughts and opinions.
I thought for sure that because this is the E & E thread, this would be a totally LS friendly zone and therefore safe for me to say things w/o fear of repercussions.  Apparently, I was wrong.  Something that I said HERE to Louise on THIS forum say been taken by someone, copied and posted at a DIFFERENT public location for just anyone and everyone to see.  Worse, the quote is out of context and makes me look bad.  I don't know who would do this or why.  That is more than I bargained for.  What started out as simple exuberance of sharing my love of LS has gotten all twisted and mixed up.  In the process of defending my opinion of LS, I made the mistake of saying that I don't understand why anyone would make remarks against anyone else's story, especially if they hadn't read the whole thing.   It's perfectly fine to not like someone's work, but to say so about a story or an author is just not nice.  But that's just me.  I find negativity a real downer, and prefer to not hear or read about it.
Never at any point did I say that anyone was 'flaming' anyone else, and yet I've been accused of saying that very thing. I didn't want to be dragged into any kind of heated debate and I sure don't wish to drag poor Louise into this either.  She gets enough flack from many directions.  I don't know how she deals.  Must be a stronger person than me.
I sure have learned a lot today.  I'm still freaked out that my words were quoted and discussed at someone else's LJ.  I'm going into full lurker mode.  I will no longer post any recommendations for fic or get involved with discussions about BBM elsewhere.  I'm not sure I even feel safe here anymore.  Maybe this message will be posted somewhere else.   I won't be so naive again.  Any feedback I have for Louise, I'll send to her privately.
This whole mess is stressing me out and I can't talk about it anymore.  I'm done.  All I want to do is find good fic, happy fic, read it, enjoy it, and live my sucky RL vicariously through fictional characters.  I'm not asking a lot, am I?
Sorry to be so depressing.   :(  Though the tears have stopped, I'm still shaking - gotta go take my Lorazepam now.
Thanx for letting me rant.  (Blame it on the PTSD. *snort*)

Navyvet,

We all have been receiving flaming messages from a lot of people just because we happen to be hooked on this story. Louise herself has had her share of attacks. We even had spammers and people coming here to post negative messages about the story. So, my suggestion is that you try your very best not to let those comments get to you, because is not really against you. They just hate this story because Ennis is in love with somebody else, and therefore they hate us because we like the idea and enjoy it. It's all very stupid, so don't take it personal.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 05:53:12 pm
Quote from: opinionista on September 24, 2006, 05:39:50 pm
Navyvet,

We all have been receiving flaming messages from a lot of people just because we happen to be hooked on this story. Louise herself has had her share of attacks. We even had spammers and people coming here to post negative messages about the story. So, my suggestion is that you try your very best not to let those comments get to you, because is not really against you. They just hate this story because Ennis is in love with somebody else, and therefore they hate us because we like the idea and enjoy it. It's all very stupid, so don't take it personal.  :)
I'd like to second what Natali says NavyVet  :)
I know all of this is terribly distressing, believe me when I got my first nasty comments it depressed me too but please don't let it stop you from posting on here and leaving comments on Louise's journal. That would be a real shame.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 06:04:46 pm
The Internet is like Pandora's box:  it contains just about anything.  In the free-speech concept of Livejournal, anyone can create a free account, and post whatever that want.  I learned after the Laramie Saga was parodied without my permission that there isn't a darn thing I can do about it.  Livejournal allows people to post that they hate your guts, don't like your story, and they can horselaugh up a storm at your expense... and that is perfectly acceptable according to the Livejournal terms of use.

Individual forums, like Bettermost, do not allow personal attacks upon other users, and our overweening policy here is to refrain from making negative commentary about other communities.  It is an unfortunate reality that when people are free to post opinions, they will disagree, feel bad, and sometimes - call each other names.  I feel very proud and happy that in the feedback I have gotten from those outside my own reader community, the fans of the Laramie Saga have by and large conducted themselves with dignity, grace, and a positive, tolerant outlook, and that has been wonderful feedback to get.

There is nothing at all I can do, or say, about other Livejournal communities or individual blogs:  everyone is entitled to their own opinions of whatever sort.  It is mildly flattering and a bit unnerving to know that large volumes of lurkers hang on my words, quote them out of context, parody them, and snicker over the lengths of my stories - but it is in the long run, a measure of success when one is so closely observed.

Just for the record, all of you lurkers, critics, commenters, and dissenters in the blog world at large:  I don't publish or publicize the spam I delete, and I don't publish the list of bans I have made from my LJ.  Most of the regular readers of the Laramie Saga know about the super-spammer who was banned recently from my LJ and from Bettermost, and the problem has been resolved.  However, it has left many readers here, who just want to enjoy some good BBM fan fic stories, feeling invaded, tricked, disoriented and paranoid.  The spammer was not a member of any communities, forums, or BBM fan sites to my knowledge, so we aren't talking about YOU.

On the positive side, NavyVet, my tracking software lists 8 new readers of "Taking Chances" after you posted your rec on Yahoo.  I thank you for that positive recommendation!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 06:33:51 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/120527.html  "Chapter 66:  A Widow and a Wife"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 24, 2006, 07:18:40 pm
Thanks, Louise.
Been involved with fanfic for years, and I ain't NEVER seen anything like the controversy surrounding LS.
I don't think I'll ever get used to or understand how people can say such hurtful and nasty things to other people.  I must still be a little naive, somehow.  I mean I know there is a lot of hate and mean people in the world, but I sure try to avoid any confrontation.  I have to avoid stress, or I risk a relapse, so I try hard to keep my life very simple and safe.
Part of my PTSD is panic disorder, agoraphobia, hyper-vigilance, etc.  So, yeah, I tend to get a little paranoid sometimes.  (For 27 years now, I still check my door locks repeatedly and tend to avoid places where people can sneak up on me or going out alone after dark.)  Yep, feeling safe real big issue for me.
The Internet is literally my window to the world - I spend major portions of every day at my computer.  I love the escape that fiction gives me.  LS in particular has given me a sense of hope that the original BBM did not.  It has affected me like no other, and I am so grateful for that.
Thank you.  I'm feeling better now.   
:-* 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 24, 2006, 07:36:29 pm
I think everything is fine.  The controversy about the Laramie Saga started about two weeks after I began writing it.  You didn't cause it, and you can't cure it, as they say in a well known 12 step program.  Rest assured that I am getting used to the idea of being scrutinized - it gets out the kinks, so to speak.  You haven't done anything wrong, and in my opinion, you let people know how you feel and what you think, and no one should ever be afraid to do that.

You can rest assured that our policies keep Bettermost free of personal attack, and our Fan Fiction statement of purpose is to steer away from making Bettermost's Fan Fic area a "critic's corner."  It isn't. It is a place for sharing the responses and results of our interaction with BBM, movie and story, in a free and tolerant atmosphere.

However,  while the Internet is quite free, it is often not too tolerant, and we have to pick and choose who we rub up against on the Information Superhighway, or we could end up as "roadkill."  For myself, all publicity seems to be translating to more readers.  And since I consider my story a positive rather than a negative experience, this can only be an ultimately positive thing, even if the feedback or comments are negative.

Cheers,  bedtime for me!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 01:10:09 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 24, 2006, 05:53:12 pm
I'd like to second what Natali says NavyVet  :)
I know all of this is terribly distressing, believe me when I got my first nasty comments it depressed me too but please don't let it stop you from posting on here and leaving comments on Louise's journal. That would be a real shame.  :)

Thanx. 
Believe it or not, it got worse.  One of my innocent feedback comments to Louise was actually displayed and poked fun of on an LJ in a way that was made to make me feel like an idiot.  I wanted to curl up and die with humiliation.  Just no call for that atall.  I was also told LJ's are 'not public'.  Huh.  A person can write whatever and with a simple mouse click, anyone and everyone in the whole world can read what they post.  Well, that's pretty damn public, doesn't get much more public than that, does it. 
However, I am putting it all in perspective now (medication helps) and like Ennis, I'm movin' on.  It's just not worth worrying about anymore.  I've come to a decision and taken steps to protect myself from any further distress of situations I have no control over.  I'm going to be a lot more careful about every word I post, coz ya never know when it can get used against ya.  I've removed myself from certain BBM discussion forums and will steer clear of of reading LJ comments.  They can say whatever they want about me, I won't care if I don't know about it.  I'll have to give up certain WIP's I've been following, but that's okay, I'll find others elsewhere I'm sure.  Guess I'll never know how they end.  Actually, I've been trying to read everything out there, since there's too many, I think I need to get a little more particular and drop the less interesting ones.  A few AU's are really getting out there anyway.
There's more than enough great fics to keep me busy.  I'm just gonna consentrate on reading and enjoying the stories.

Anyhoo, can't believe I'm up this late, gotta crash.  I believe things will look better in the morning.   :-X

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 25, 2006, 01:51:22 am
Quote from: louisev on September 24, 2006, 04:14:42 pm
okay gang...

Fred and I are sitting here looking at each other in chat... why don't some of you gossipy girls click on the red lips and come say hi in the chat room?  Hmmm?

well, i tried that late  last night. And then my computer decided i should probably go to the bedroom instead of the chatroom. I'll have to spank him for that  ;D
so, instead, i read a few Looking For Answers chapters, which was also nice  :)

anyway, i'll try again this evening.

but first, off to read chapter 66!
thanks Louise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 25, 2006, 02:00:54 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 01:10:09 am
Thanx. 
Believe it or not, it got worse.  One of my innocent feedback comments to Louise was actually displayed and poked fun of on an LJ in a way that was made to make me feel like an idiot.  I wanted to curl up and die with humiliation.  Just no call for that atall.  I was also told LJ's are 'not public'.  Huh.  A person can write whatever and with a simple mouse click, anyone and everyone in the whole world can read what they post.  Well, that's pretty damn public, doesn't get much more public than that, does it. 
However, I am putting it all in perspective now (medication helps) and like Ennis, I'm movin' on.  It's just not worth worrying about anymore.  I've come to a decision and taken steps to protect myself from any further distress of situations I have no control over.  I'm going to be a lot more careful about every word I post, coz ya never know when it can get used against ya.  I've removed myself from certain BBM discussion forums and will steer clear of of reading LJ comments.  They can say whatever they want about me, I won't care if I don't know about it.  I'll have to give up certain WIP's I've been following, but that's okay, I'll find others elsewhere I'm sure.  Guess I'll never know how they end.  Actually, I've been trying to read everything out there, since there's too many, I think I need to get a little more particular and drop the less interesting ones.  A few AU's are really getting out there anyway.
There's more than enough great fics to keep me busy.  I'm just gonna consentrate on reading and enjoying the stories.

Anyhoo, can't believe I'm up this late, gotta crash.  I believe things will look better in the morning.   :-X



I think right now there are a few safe places to post your comment on LS.  Here at Bettermost, Louise's story on LJ and ennisjack.com.  You have no control if some lurkers copy your posts on these 3 places and paste them on other forums but at least you're sure you will not be attacked here and at the other 2 places.  I only hang out at these 3 forums in regard to LS, what you do not see you'll not be affected emotionally is my motto.  It's pretty passive but in light of all the attacks on Louise and the stories, I guess I'd rather take this approach.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 03:25:55 am
Morning everyone. I,ts a grey rainy old day today in the UK so plenty of hip thrusting please Louise to warm up my day.  ;) ;). Cooooooeeeee June. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 03:58:28 am
This will brighten your day a bit..from shelter from the storm. Ennis getting riled because of Brad lol. I love the comment from Ellery at the end of the chapter. ;D ;D


Ennis continued to buck, making those excited groaning noises, and finally broke his silence. “Fuck me darlin...!” he begged, his voice edged, cracking. This was something new, both arousing and somewhat worrisome to a man who was used to doing the begging, gripping the headboard and being pounded violently to orgasm. Ellery closed his eyes and pulled off Ennis’s cock, his mouth dripping saliva, and pulled out his fingers, sliding his hands down Ennis’s thighs to the knees and pushing, raising him up before letting go his right knee and aiming his cock. He thrust slightly as the head connected with Ennis’s twitching sphincter, and Ennis’s head thrashed once, back and forth.

“Easy does it,” he soothed, and was met with Ennis’s pale stare.

“Do it hard,” Ennis gasped.

Ellery gulped, closed his eyes once, and nodded, lowered his right hand again to the meat of Ennis’s muscular thigh, clenched both hands on him, and ploughed into him with a fierce moan, and began to thrust as hard as he dared, watching Ennis’s face and neck flush dark red, the cords standing out on his neck.

“Oh darlin...” Ennis growled through clenched teeth, his ass clenching fiercely on Ellery’s pistoning cock, trying to buck up to anticipate his plunge, held fast by Ellery’s long, grasping fingers.

Ellery surrendered to Ennis’s need, no longer driven by his own desire but by a frantic lust he had not yet seen before, his hips slapping Ennis’s taut flanks, another tide of pleasure building up in him as he rode that tight, narrow passage, his cock now thick and rigid with overstimulation. He reached over with his right hand and grabbed Ennis’s hand, which had been grasping at the bedspread, and put it on Ennis’s bobbing cock, closing his hand over Ennis’s hand and making him pump it, feeling the change in the tightness of his sphincter as Ennis started his own buildup, and Ellery thrust deep, letting Ennis’s hand go and gripping his thighs, arched his back and ground his cock deep inside him, and threw his head back, with the final arching thrust, he came explosively, the jolt of his final thrusts causing Ennis to spurt messily over his hand and stomach.

Ellery let his legs down gently, softening as he pulled out, and looked down at Ennis, who had gone still almost immediately after he came.

“Ennis?”

Ennis looked up at him drowsily, a smile flickering on his lips. “Hmm?”

“You all right down there? Did I hurt ya...?”

Ennis shook his head. “Nope.” His eyes drifted closed again.

Ellery patted his cheek, and Ennis opened his eyes once more, then closed them, this time, his eyes rolling up. He reached his hand to pat Ennis’s cheek again, and Ennis’s head fell back against the bed, this time, completely out cold.

“Damn I’m good,” Ellery said, standing up and stripping off the rest of his uniform before climbing back in bed and wrapping his arms around Ennis’s wet, unconscious body.

 :) :)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 04:45:19 am
Quote from: yb on September 25, 2006, 02:00:54 am
I think right now there are a few safe places to post your comment on LS.  Here at Bettermost, Louise's story on LJ and ennisjack.com.  You have no control if some lurkers copy your posts on these 3 places and paste them on other forums but at least you're sure you will not be attacked here and at the other 2 places.  I only hang out at these 3 forums in regard to LS, what you do not see you'll not be affected emotionally is my motto.  It's pretty passive but in light of all the attacks on Louise and the stories, I guess I'd rather take this approach.


This is what I do too. I only hang out here at Bettermost and on Louise's journal with regard to LS. I went over to this one journal a while back to see what it was all about and it made me feel sick to my stomach. I'll never go back there again. And yes, it's pretty passive but that's just the way it is for me. I can't handle all the nastiness, really makes me feel ill, so I simply avoid all those places.
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 04:57:59 am
Quote from: souxi on September 25, 2006, 03:25:55 am
Morning everyone. I,ts a grey rainy old day today in the UK so plenty of hip thrusting please Louise to warm up my day.  ;) ;). Cooooooeeeee June. ;) ;) ;D
Morning Souxi  :)
Pretty grey and dull over here in Holland too  :(
I think Ennis will have to whip up those silk scarves to restrain Ellery  ;D  because the lovin they've got going on now isn't at all good for Ellery's health.....and I do wonder what Ennis will say to Ellery about his health the next time he sees him.... :-\
SO Souxi, I think you'll have to make do without hip thrusts for a while!  ;D
I'll manage, what with those gettin fancy parts you keep posting! LOL!
Damn! Ellery *is* GOOD!  ;D
Thanks Souxi, I think... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 05:14:22 am

I think Ennis will have to whip up those silk scarves to restrain Ellery    because the lovin they've got going on now isn't at all good for Ellery's health.....and I do wonder what Ennis will say to Ellery about his health the next time he sees him....


Yup I think a bit of restraint is a bloody good idea...all for the good of his health of course..*ahem*  ;) ;)
What will Ennis say to him when he sees him again? ermmmm welllllllll , maybe he,ll give him a stern telling off and a good seeing to with one of "those" toys like he did before when his back hurt. For the good of his health again of course. *ahem* ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 25, 2006, 05:20:29 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 04:45:19 am
This is what I do too. I only hang out here at Bettermost and on Louise's journal with regard to LS. I went over to this one journal a while back to see what it was all about and it made me feel sick to my stomach. I'll never go back there again. And yes, it's pretty passive but that's just the way it is for me. I can't handle all the nastiness, really makes me feel ill, so I simply avoid all those places.
 :)

All the carry on about LS used to bring out my love of a jolly good debate on issues and ideas. But its all gotten way past any of that. Like you, the comments now make me feel physically sick. It has turned into something rotten - to be avoided just as one avoids a stench for the sake of one's good health.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 25, 2006, 05:21:57 am
Quote from: souxi on September 25, 2006, 03:58:28 am
This will brighten your day a bit..from shelter from the storm. Ennis getting riled because of Brad lol. I love the comment from Ellery at the end of the chapter. ;D ;D


“Damn I’m good,” Ellery said, standing up and stripping off the rest of his uniform before climbing back in bed and wrapping his arms around Ennis’s wet, unconscious body.

 :) :)




Moring everyone.  Sorry I've not been posting much lately, what with me posting over at ennisjack and keeping up with this wonderful fic and others I'm following, oh and a bit of RL thrown in the mix, I seem to fall behind quite quickly!   :(

But I just want to say how much I really enjoy coming here and enjoying all your comments, even if I dont always reply.  

I particularly like Souxi's reminders of wonderful past chapters, so please keep them coming!!!!   ;)

This one was particularly good, as we dont get to see Ellery on top much do we?  I love all the hot talk and the mention of hips thrusting.  

And yes, Ellery, you are good.  Very, very good.   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:24:33 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 04:45:19 am
This is what I do too. I only hang out here at Bettermost and on Louise's journal with regard to LS. I went over to this one journal a while back to see what it was all about and it made me feel sick to my stomach. I'll never go back there again. And yes, it's pretty passive but that's just the way it is for me. I can't handle all the nastiness, really makes me feel ill, so I simply avoid all those places.
 :)

There is no regulating the Internet.  For your better understanding, Navyvet, there are configuration settings on Livejournal that allow various levels of control by the individual:  the default configuration is open and public.  This allows anonymous comments, does not track IP addresses or users, and people who log in from anywhere, can post anything they like.  In the Terms of Service of Livejournal, the only things that are not permitted are things that are prohibited under international law, and personal attacks that encourage harrassment of individual users including full name or phone number that enable people to harrass another personally.  It does not regulate copyright, nor does its abuse team address anything the user can do by reconfiguration.

The next step up in security is disallowing anonymous comments.  This allows  some control and discourages people from leaving unwelcome commentary, because the person's LJ name is visible on their entries.  You can also set IP address logging, which allows you to track and compare IP addresses.  Any individual address can be put in a banlist, which prohibits them from commenting on the LJ, and recently I implemented Ip logging and disallowing anonymous entries, and this enabled me to discover the 9 duplicate accounts in Canada that were spamming my LJ with unwelcome comments.  I locked them all out - they were clearly all the same one person.  Good news for me: because without that, I would not have known that instead of an unknown number of discontented and sincere readers I had one bizarre troll!

Livejournal can also be configured for "friends only" which requires an invitation from the LJ's owner to see entries, and all entries are protected.  A step up from this is "private."

Bettermost, on the other hand, can be read by any lurker, and many lurkers do read the E&E site.  This means that content from Bettermost CAN be posted in people's private blogs on LJ or other places, and see exactly what we're talking about here.  If that makes you uncomfortable, you can always ask the people who are quoting you elsewhere to please leave you alone, which - if they are polite - they may do.

I find it mildly amusing that people who come over to a forum I moderate, and in which I warned you about dissent, would copy my remarks, and then describe me as oversensitive.  Protective of readers - yep.  As far as I know, up until now, no other BBM fan fic writer has had a site set up for the express purpose of warning people not to read my work, but that is what has happened.  Does that upset my readers?  Clearly - yes.  Does it upset me?  Not anymore - it is patently obvious that what was meant to discourage people is actually doing the exact opposite - four months after writing "Taking Chances" the story is now getting a real bump of new hits and readers, and more enthusiastic comments.  I would urge my readers to be reassured that the people who are warning people not to read my work feel as if they are doing a public service to the BBM Community.  All they are really doing is bringing in new readers with a controversy/curiosity factor.  I couldn't pay for that kind of publicity.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 25, 2006, 05:25:03 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 25, 2006, 05:20:29 am
All the carry on about LS used to bring out my love of a jolly good debate on issues and ideas. But its all gotten way past any of that. Like you, the comments now make me feel physically sick. It has turned into something rotten - to be avoided just as one avoids a stench for the sake of one's good health.
Hi magicmountain

I agree with you, I felt I needed to defend LS when reading such nasty comments that were being posted all over the place, but now I just feel that its best not to get involved in any kind of negative debate, and let them get on with it.  I much prefer having lots of fun and interesting discussions over here, on Louise's lj and at ennisjack.

Btw, Magicmountain, sorry to change the subject, but can I just say that I love your avatar, the quote  underneath it and your signature line!!!  Wonderful.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 25, 2006, 05:26:07 am
Quote from: souxi on September 25, 2006, 05:14:22 am
I think Ennis will have to whip up those silk scarves to restrain Ellery    because the lovin they've got going on now isn't at all good for Ellery's health.....and I do wonder what Ennis will say to Ellery about his health the next time he sees him....


Yup I think a bit of restraint is a bloody good idea...all for the good of his health of course..*ahem*  ;) ;)
What will Ennis say to him when he sees him again? ermmmm welllllllll , maybe he,ll give him a stern telling off and a good seeing to with one of "those" toys like he did before when his back hurt. For the good of his health again of course. *ahem* ;) ;) ;) ;)

I think it is the Worrell thing what's keeping Ellery in pain. The stress of having to call Jack's relatives about it and not knowing for sure how Ennis is going to react at this. On top of it all, Ellery has been rather weak since they returned from Brokeback so this is probably triggering all of his insecurities and fears about his relationship with Ennis.  I don't know, I guess, we'll have to wait for the next chapters to see what happens!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:53:06 am
what can I say? I obviously can't EVER fool Natali, so I better stop trying!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 25, 2006, 05:57:29 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:53:06 am
what can I say? I obviously can't EVER fool Natali, so I better stop trying!

But you did! you managed to fool me with Worrell's confession. I couldn't guess the man was lying when he first confessed Jack's crime to Ellery!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:58:44 am
okay. So I fooled you ONCE!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 25, 2006, 06:18:19 am
One little song for poor Ellery who's ill and in pain alone in his room, while Ennis is away at his daughter's

I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues
Elton John

Don't wish it away
Don't look at it like it's forever
Between you and me I could honestly say
That things can only get better

And while I'm away
Dust out the demons inside
And it won't be long before you and me run
To the place in our hearts where we hide

And I guess that's why they call it the blues
Time on my hands could be time spent with you
Laughing like children, living like lovers
Rolling like thunder under the covers
And I guess that's why they call it the blues

Just stare into space
Picture my face in your hands
Live for each second without hesitation
And never forget I'm your man

Wait on me girl boy
Cry in the night if it helps
But more than ever I simply love you
More than I love life itself


Now I gotta get back to my work  :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 06:58:01 am
Awww, thanks Natali!  :)

That's just soo sweet  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 07:03:19 am
*typity typity type.*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 25, 2006, 07:19:49 am
Quote from: christie wood on September 25, 2006, 05:25:03 am


Btw, Magicmountain, sorry to change the subject, but can I just say that I love your avatar, the quote  underneath it and your signature line!!!  Wonderful.   ;D

Thanks for that Christie. The quotes are all Louise's work!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 07:27:01 am
I am giving France a bad name!

And the new chapter should be up soon.

Stats at this hour:

US:  63%
Canada:  11%
Germany:  9%
UK:  6%
France:  3%
New Zealand: 3%
Netherlands: 2%

Denmark and Sweden round out the top 10.

UK:  Germany and Canada are kicking your asses, and Australia isn't even on the top 10!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 25, 2006, 07:28:53 am
Are men or women better at writing romantic fiction? Read all about it here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/arts/2006/09/14/bamen14.xml&site=6&page=0
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 07:37:50 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 06:58:01 am
Awww, thanks Natali!  :)

That's just soo sweet  :)

Yes it is June, thats one of my faveourite song,s I love Elton Johns songs. :) :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 08:31:11 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 07:03:19 am
*typity typity type.*
Squeeeee!  ;D
I hope it will have something to do with Curt and Junior. I can't remember who commented about it on your journal but I also hope she tells Ellery if she's being blackmailed, he will most certainly know how to handle it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 08:33:15 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/120708.html  "Chapter 67: Loose Ends and Intrigues"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 08:37:02 am
Yay! This update is perfectly timed for my lunch break. Thanks Louise.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 08:42:35 am
of course I did that on purpose....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 25, 2006, 08:47:02 am
Every second I'm at work is like a lunch break these days!!!  I fit work around my slash reading.  ;)

SPOILERS


Awww, Louise, glad you got Ellery to finally admit the truth to Ennis about him hurting still.  That lovely chat between them, with Ennis smoothing Ellery's hair off his forehead like he always does, was just so sweet.  I know its hard for Ellery to admit it, when he's usually so in control, but at least he knows that Ennis loves him and he doesnt need to feel insecure. 

Oh, I am loving these boys so much. 

Thanks, Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 25, 2006, 08:48:30 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 25, 2006, 07:19:49 am
Thanks for that Christie. The quotes are all Louise's work!

Oh I know - Louise is a genius - I just love to see them being used as a sig line!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 25, 2006, 08:56:19 am
Yippee, I'm home and there's a chapter waiting for me.  Beautiful chapter, Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 09:46:22 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 08:31:11 am
Squeeeee!  ;D
I hope it will have something to do with Curt and Junior. I can't remember who commented about it on your journal but I also hope she tells Ellery if she's being blackmailed, he will most certainly know how to handle it.

Oh yeah Ennis will defo know how to handle it allright, by changing the shape of curts nose probably lol. I bet thats what it is though. Slimey little creep. Surely there must be SOME way those two can do things without hurting Ellery? I,ve never had a sore rib so I dont honestly know much about it. Looks like it,s back to cold showers for Ennis then.  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 25, 2006, 09:51:51 am
Hey y'all...sorry I haven't been around.  I had housegusts all weekend and it was all I could do to get my own chapter out when I said I would (and I didn't really succeed at that, either).  But I've been reading, of course!

sigh.  Ellery really needs to get over this deep-seated belief he still has (STILL) that he's just a piece of ass to Ennis.  I think that somewhere inside of him, he still thinks of himself as just that...a piece of ass, because that's how Beagle treated him and Bill wasn't any better.  If he still believes that his value is purely decorative and/or sexual, he will have trouble believing what else Ennis sess in him to love.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 09:52:46 am
Quote from: christie wood on September 25, 2006, 08:47:02 am
Every second I'm at work is like a lunch break these days!!!  I fit work around my slash reading.  ;)

Tee hee - I know what you mean. I copy the chapters into Word, which makes it easier to be discreet about it.

SPOILER

That was a lovely chapter, Ellery admitting his insecurities to Ennis (who pretty much knew). Now, with the mention of Bobby does this mean that we might meet him in the future? If Lureen gives him the full story about Jack he might be curious about the secret life his father led. Getting ahead of myself here? - nah, not me!

As for Curt - I think he's moving back in because Junior is out of there!!!

Back to reality and work for me now I guess - till my next E&E interlude.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 09:53:41 am
Ooops - I seem to have turned my entire post into a quote.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 09:56:18 am
I fixed it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 09:57:48 am
Quote from: MadLori on September 25, 2006, 09:51:51 am
Hey y'all...sorry I haven't been around.  I had housegusts all weekend and it was all I could do to get my own chapter out when I said I would (and I didn't really succeed at that, either).  But I've been reading, of course!

sigh.  Ellery really needs to get over this deep-seated belief he still has (STILL) that he's just a piece of ass to Ennis.  I think that somewhere inside of him, he still thinks of himself as just that...a piece of ass, because that's how Beagle treated him and Bill wasn't any better.  If he still believes that his value is purely decorative and/or sexual, he will have trouble believing what else Ennis sess in him to love.

You have hit upon a central insecurity in Ellery's psychology, Lori.  And this is going to come to a head.

and WB!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 25, 2006, 10:02:44 am
Ellery’s Bones

Ellery’s bones
Are danger zones
Too thin and very brittle
Even at the best of times
They only bend a little
At the worst of times
they pop and crumble
Ennis dares not even fumble
When in bed they take a tumble

First it was his back in trouble
Now his rib has bent him double
Stress and worry
Toil and hurry
Sent our boy into a flurry

Ellery’s stuck in bed for now
Ennis takes a chastity vow
No more hip thrusts, getting fancy
All of that is just too chancy

As Ennis and Ellery zip their pants
And Alma senior stops her rants
The only groans and moans we hear
Is Souxi crying in her beer

(http://www.thriftstoreart.com/pdog.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 10:09:43 am
*dies laughing.*

I needed that, Jo. I really... needed that!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 25, 2006, 10:11:02 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 09:57:48 am
You have hit upon a central insecurity in Ellery's psychology, Lori.  And this is going to come to a head.

and WB!!!

Well, criminy.  What does Ennis have to do?  What will convince Ellery that Ennis is here to stay, and that he will still love him even if they can't screw for a week or even (gasp) two?

Perhaps Ellery is having an even harder time really believing Ennis's love because he has so much more at stake.  He's never felt about anyone how he feels about Ennis, and it'll hurt just that much more if Ennis turns out to be like Beagle and Bill.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 25, 2006, 10:13:54 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 25, 2006, 10:02:44 am
Ellery’s Bones

(http://www.thriftstoreart.com/pdog.jpg)



That was great!  You are so talented. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 25, 2006, 10:16:38 am
magicmountain, that's hilarious.  I particularly like the last paragraph about Souxi, that's priceless.  Thanks for the laugh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 10:18:38 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 10:09:43 am
*dies laughing.*

I needed that, Jo. I really... needed that!
Oh Jo! This is hilarious!

Heee! I think Souxi's resigned herself to cold showers for Ennis, for now.... ;D
And I have.....for now..... :laugh:

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 10:43:07 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 10:18:38 am
Oh Jo! This is hilarious!

Heee! I think Souxi's resigned herself to cold showers for Ennis, for now.... ;D
And I have.....for now..... :laugh:

 8)

Hahahahhaa yes thank you for that Jo lol. Poor Ennis, ffs how long is this damn rib going to take to get better? If it,s not his back it,s something else. He doesnt have a very high opinion of himself does he?  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 25, 2006, 10:45:11 am
Thanks all. What with all the high drama in Riverton (and elsewhere) we need a good laugh.

It has occurred to me that Ennis doesn't help matters (in terms of Ellery's peace of mind) when he mopes around looking all hang dog having been deprived for two days and keeps repeating how much he wants Ellery (in bed!). Ennis is very highly sexed and Ellery is aware of that. As well Ellery's and Ennis' insistence that they sleep together in the same bed also doesn't help the situation for either of them.

At this stage of the relationship their love is expressed predominantly through their physical interactions. I think Ellery is seeking emotional reassurance rather than needing sexual affirmation per se when he tries to keep the sex going through his pain. When we are sick and stressed is exactly the time when most of us need that emotional shoring up.

So 1. I don't think Ellery is necessarily just motivated by his fixation on being a sex object (though that may also very well come into it) and 2. Ennis is contributing to the problem.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 25, 2006, 11:00:21 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 25, 2006, 10:45:11 am
Thanks all. What with all the high drama in Riverton (and elsewhere) we need a good laugh.

It has occurred to me that Ennis doesn't help matters (in terms of Ellery's peace of mind) when he mopes around looking all hang dog having been deprived for two days and keeps repeating how much he wants Ellery (in bed!). Ennis is very highly sexed and Ellery is aware of that. As well Ellery's and Ennis' insistence that they sleep together in the same bed also doesn't help the situation for either of them.

At this stage of the relationship their love is expressed predominantly through their physical interactions. I think Ellery is seeking emotional reassurance rather than needing sexual affirmation per se when he tries to keep the sex going through his pain. When we are sick and stressed is exactly the time when most of us need that emotional shoring up.

So 1. I don't think Ellery is necessarily just motivated by his fixation on being a sex object (though that may also very well come into it) and 2. Ennis is contributing to the problem.

Oh, I agree.  But Ennis's behavior and current sex-fixation is, Ithink, totally understandable.  This is the first time IN HIS LIFE that he's had a full-time partner that he desired, who was there ALL THE TIME and not just for occasional fishing trips.  He's not used to getting sex whenever he wants it (well, not the kind of sex that he really wants, anyway).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 11:05:39 am
It sort of goes like this:

I really love you and care about you and man don't your ass look good and I don't want to do anything to hurt or stress you out oh god I want you right now and we should really just keep our hands to ourselves oh more a that *mrph* *grunt* *moan*

dammit.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 25, 2006, 11:07:14 am
I think in this chapter Ennis just shows Ellery that he can hold the sex until Ellery is well enough and reassures him that he loves him and is not going anywhere.  So, I hope it'll be the first step for Ellery to relax a bit and trust Ennis more as time goes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 11:10:37 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 11:05:39 am
It sort of goes like this:

I really love you and care about you and man don't your ass look good and I don't want to do anything to hurt or stress you out oh god I want you right now and we should really just keep our hands to ourselves oh more a that *mrph* *grunt* *moan*

dammit.


Hahahah yep thats how it goes LOL. Seriously though Louise, just how long DO things like this take to get better? Ennis is going to be walking funny soon!!! :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 11:13:35 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 09:57:48 am
You have hit upon a central insecurity in Ellery's psychology, Lori.  And this is going to come to a head.

and WB!!!

Ooo... Louise - this sounds ominious! Like Ellery (or Ennis) are going to be driven to do something silly because of it. Sorry for my ignorance but what does WB stand for (this being the first forum I've ever really been involved in)?

Thanks for fixing my post.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 11:13:47 am
Highly variable.  It depends upon how far the dislocation goes when it first pops out.  He will be much better in a week if he rests.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 11:15:54 am
Quote from: yb on September 25, 2006, 11:07:14 am
I think in this chapter Ennis just shows Ellery that he can hold the sex until Ellery is well enough and reassures him that he loves him and is not going anywhere.  So, I hope it'll be the first step for Ellery to relax a bit and trust Ennis more as time goes.

I hope so too. Hope it will be a good first step in the right direction for both of them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 11:16:48 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 11:13:35 am
Ooo... Louise - this sounds ominious! Like Ellery (or Ennis) are going to be driven to do something silly because of it. Sorry for my ignorance but what does WB stand for (this being the first forum I've ever really been involved in)?

Thanks for fixing my post.

Karen

WB means "Welcome back."

There has been a very definite theme since Ellery's first rash and unnecessary injuries and overdoing it in the first month of their relationship to show that Ellery has complete disregard for his own health when it comes to sex.  Only severe and unrelenting pain slows him down: partly due to his libido, partly due to his intense desire to please Ennis and give him what he so obviously craves and has been missing, and partly driven by an underlying fear that he will be kicked to the curb for not putting out, because it has happened.  Saying no in the bedroom is not something Ellery knows how to do, and is consistent with his sexual submissiveness.  Willingness is what he is used to, and as he gets older and less able, and more stressed out, his willingness is being contradicted by his own physical limitations.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 25, 2006, 11:22:39 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 11:16:48 am
WB means "Welcome back."

There has been a very definite theme since Ellery's first rash and unnecessary injuries and overdoing it in the first month of their relationship to show that Ellery has complete disregard for his own health when it comes to sex.  Only severe and unrelenting pain slows him down: partly due to his libido, partly due to his intense desire to please Ennis and give him what he so obviously craves and has been missing, and partly driven by an underlying fear that he will be kicked to the curb for not putting out, because it has happened.  Saying no in the bedroom is not something Ellery knows how to do, and is consistent with his sexual submissiveness.  Willingness is what he is used to, and as he gets older and less able, and more stressed out, his willingness is being contradicted by his own physical limitations.

I find Ellery such a fascinating character, he's a contradiction in his personal and professional life.  I find the whole thing about him being sexually submissive very interesting and I understand why he is.  You have just helped me understand that little bit more Louise, and I could discuss this element of his character all day.  I just wish he could stop thinking that Ennis is going to leave him, just because he cant have regular sex.  I want Ennis to tell Ellery all the things he's been thinking about lately, so Ellery knows exactly how Ennis feels about him.  That, at least, should help reassure him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 11:27:03 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 11:16:48 am
WB means "Welcome back."

There has been a very definite theme since Ellery's first rash and unnecessary injuries and overdoing it in the first month of their relationship to show that Ellery has complete disregard for his own health when it comes to sex.  Only severe and unrelenting pain slows him down: partly due to his libido, partly due to his intense desire to please Ennis and give him what he so obviously craves and has been missing, and partly driven by an underlying fear that he will be kicked to the curb for not putting out, because it has happened.  Saying no in the bedroom is not something Ellery knows how to do, and is consistent with his sexual submissiveness.  Willingness is what he is used to, and as he gets older and less able, and more stressed out, his willingness is being contradicted by his own physical limitations.

Do you know Louise that is so sad. :'( Ellery is so desperate to please Ennis he disregards his own health. No matter how much it hurts he,ll put up with it because he loves Ennis so much and just wants to please him... How sad that he thinks so little of himself. Obviously caused by the fact that Beagle just used him as a convenient orrifice basically. I wanna give him a BIG hug now...bless him.  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 11:28:44 am
I want Ennis to tell Ellery all the things he's been thinking about lately, so Ellery knows exactly how Ennis feels about him.  That, at least, should help reassure him.



Exactly Christie, and likewise Ellery should tell Ennis why he thinks so little of himself. *SNIFF*  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 11:32:28 am
If we could all act on our intellectual and rational side, then there would never be any conflict between our rational minds and our emotions.  But no matter how much Ennis reassures Ellery, it is something he may just have to learn.... the HARD way.  heheh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 12:02:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 11:32:28 am
If we could all act on our intellectual and rational side, then there would never be any conflict between our rational minds and our emotions.  But no matter how much Ennis reassures Ellery, it is something he may just have to learn.... the HARD way.  heheh.
SO true Louise. And so true in RL too....*sigh*

Hmmm, the HARD way?! LOL Thought that was the wrong way for him right now??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 12:15:32 pm
It's a new day and a hot, sunny one in lovely Florida.

I already got to read a wonderful new chapter and catch up on other things.  Thanx to all for the encouragment and support- It helped bunches!

Magic - I loved your poem!

Oh, and I'm going to Disney World on Wednesday.  Whoo-weee!    :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 12:20:56 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 12:15:32 pm
It's a new day and a hot, sunny one in lovely Florida.

I already got to read a wonderful new chapter and catch up on other things.  Thanx to all for the encouragment and support- It helped bunches!

Magic - I loved your poem!

Oh, and I'm going to Disney World on Wednesday.  Whoo-weee!    :)


I'm happy to see you posting and cheery again NavyVet  :)

Ooooh Disney World, whooo-wee indeed! I went to Disney Land in Paris a few months ago, it was great fun but it's still not the same as the one in Florida  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 12:52:53 pm
*typity typity type....*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 01:05:00 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 12:52:53 pm
*typity typity type....*
YOU are totally spoiling us, Louise  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 25, 2006, 02:22:57 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 01:05:00 pm
YOU are totally spoiling us, Louise  :-*

ain't that the truth!

And i can't believe you guys posted five (FIVE) pages on this thread since i last checked earlier today  :). I can't keep up.

Magic, I loooooved Ellery's bones. it was hilarious!


Quote from: MadLori on September 25, 2006, 09:51:51 am
Ellery really needs to get over this deep-seated belief he still has (STILL) that he's just a piece of ass to Ennis.  I think that somewhere inside of him, he still thinks of himself as just that...a piece of ass, because that's how Beagle treated him and Bill wasn't any better.  If he still believes that his value is purely decorative and/or sexual, he will have trouble believing what else Ennis sess in him to love.

Maybe Ellery never 'wanted' someone get to get really close. He knew what it feels like to be loved unconditionally and to lose that love. I think losing his mum affected him profoundly. And when you really love someone and be let yourself be loved, you have to take a chance. Because with love may also come hurt, and loss. Maybe that's why he ended up with guys like Beagle and Bill. It was 'safe'. But very unfulfilling, so ending it with Bill was maybe the first step Ellery had to take to learn about love. And then of course, Ennis walks in to the Red Stallion...

I really can't tell you how much i love this story...
(getting quite emotional about all this *sigh*)
thanks Louise, you are amazing
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 02:30:50 pm

Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/120889.html  "Chapter 68:  Butting In"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 02:44:29 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on September 25, 2006, 02:22:57 pm
ain't that the truth!

And i can't believe you guys posted five (FIVE) pages on this thread since i last checked earlier today  :). I can't keep up.

Magic, I loooooved Ellery's bones. it was hilarious!


Maybe Ellery never 'wanted' someone get to get really close. He knew what it feels like to be loved unconditionally and to lose that love. I think losing his mum affected him profoundly. And when you really love someone and be let yourself be loved, you have to take a chance. Because with love may also come hurt, and loss. Maybe that's why he ended up with guys like Beagle and Bill. It was 'safe'. But very unfulfilling, so ending it with Bill was maybe the first step Ellery had to take to learn about love. And then of course, Ennis walks in to the Red Stallion...

I really can't tell you how much i love this story...
(getting quite emotional about all this *sigh*)
thanks Louise, you are amazing

very insightful comments about Ellery, Fabienne...!  and thank you... enjoy the new chapter too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on September 25, 2006, 02:58:16 pm
About all the comments about Ellery and why he is insecure about Ennis's commitment to the point of covering up his own health concerns.  All seem to be in agreement that Ellery is insecure about Ennis's commitment, as unfounded as it is, and everyone seems to agree that this insecurity is probably due to the loose of his parents and probably his total commitment to Beagle.
And that in previouse relationships (Bill) he did not make the emotional commitment to others that he has made to Ennis.      OK, 
My questions,  What about Ennis has caught Ellery's attention, and why has he made the emotional commitment?    And
What can Ennis do to ease Ellery's concerns?

This conversation is just awesome. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 03:05:53 pm
My questions,  What about Ennis has caught Ellery's attention, and why has he made the emotional commitment?    And
What can Ennis do to ease Ellery's concerns?



Thats a very good point that is...hmmmmmm. I,m gonna go away and think about that one. Right, thanks for chapters today Louise. Nite all. Be good June. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 25, 2006, 03:30:46 pm
Well, it's happened to me now too, NavyVet.  Someone who must be lurking on this thread just posted a comment on the most recent chapter of TCJ containing a quote from something I said a few pages back on this thread just to get my goat.  I deleted the comment because it has nothing to do with TCJ.  I would not normally delete a negative comment, and if this person had posted on a post I made on wranglers or another general forum it would have stayed, but the HI forum is for my story and it's my community and was not about TCJ so I deleted it.  So there.

How angry, bitter and downright sad does a person have to be that they'll lurk on a tthread for a story they despise for the sole purpose of accumulating ammo against the people who dare to like the story?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 03:40:31 pm
Egad.   I am so sorry this is happening, Lori.  All I can say is that no one will be allowed to make any provoking comments anywhere on this forum, or in my blog, about ANY of the fan fiction posted here, or its authors.  However, the board is open for for guests to read:  and during the day today I have counted as many as 9 guests in just this thread.

Polite readers and authors would follow such an ethic even in the public and unregulated areas of the Internet, for the good of everyone who loves and appreciates BBM: but it's clear not everyone is polite in our fandom, and even sincere, polite requests go ignored as well.  All we can do is to play nice in the sandbox and be a positive example for the fandom at large.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 03:55:57 pm
*typity typity type.*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 25, 2006, 04:04:19 pm
Sucks to hear of people trolling your LJs ladies. 

I am not sure what the spammers expect to achieve .. it aint like you are about to quit writing or get all discouraged because of a few negative comments. 

Attention:
To all the angry guests who are lurking on this thread and others .. if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!  So register, why don't cha?   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 04:05:42 pm
Un *******believable.  It boggles my mind.

I must've opened one hell of a can 'o' worms and am so sorry it's affected other people, as well.

All I can do is hope it dies from lack of interest.  I've taken measures to protect myself by steering clear with a wide berth of applicable areas, even had to block my own e-mail account to avoid further harrassment.  I figure if I don't see or know anything, I won't react, and therefore not stoop to that level.  I wonder if people do this type of thing just to rile others up.  I've seen it in the past in other fandoms, as well.  Gets old quick.

On a completely different note, is anyone having troubles with certain features in their LJ's?
My LJ cut button has stopped working - nothing happens - I'm baffled.
Sorry to go OT.
Thanx
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on September 25, 2006, 04:06:16 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 25, 2006, 04:04:19 pm
Sucks to hear of people trolling your LJs ladies. 

Eh.   I've had worse.  It goes with the territory.  When you put yourself and your work and your opinions out there on a public forum, you gotta be prepared for people to lob a few lowballs your direction.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 25, 2006, 04:07:52 pm
Since there have been no pictures here in the past 10 pages or so .. how about

Younger, Pensive H & H ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/5acca1d3.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/55d8a7e2-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 04:08:36 pm
"trolls"  *snort*   I love that word!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 04:10:01 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 25, 2006, 04:07:52 pm
Since there have been no pictures here in the past 10 pages or so .. how about

Younger, Pensive H & H ..




Yummy pics!  Thanx!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 04:11:34 pm
Millie you really ought to offer an incentive:  signed fanart pics of E & E for every lurker who registers and joins the Fan Fic Forum!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 25, 2006, 04:17:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 04:11:34 pm
Millie you really ought to offer an incentive:  signed fanart pics of E & E for every lurker who registers and joins the Fan Fic Forum!

Thing is .. most of the fanart pix are already in the gallery ..  ;D  ..all they gotta do is go there and save 'em ..
Guests can do that right?  lol .. So we need more incentives ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 04:25:22 pm
yes but Mill - they aren't SIGNED BY THE LUCISE.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 25, 2006, 04:36:46 pm
Umm..The Lucise?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 04:37:20 pm
Having had been a professional musician for some years and married to a really talented pro, I have a little story to share with y'all.
In the 'music business', we came into contact and worked with many varied levels of musicianship.  There are all kinds of sayings that have been used over the years.  A really popular one that we used all the time was in reference to comparing the talents and levels of other musicians.  For example:  Let's say you hear John Doe playing his "axe" (instrument), but he's not all that good.  You hear Joe Blow play and he's way better, stupendous, a real pro, super talented.  So we would say:  "That John Doe couldn't even carry Joe's Blow's axe across the street."  That pretty much said it all.  We'd all say it about ourselves, too, when we'd meet a superior musician whom we'd admire.  "Oh, I'm not qualified to carry so-and-so's axe across the street."  We all said that.   I've always imagined that it probably carried over into other fields.
Is there a point to this story?  Why, yes!
I'm a rank amateur when it comes to writing and there are so many authors way out of my league.  When I happened to say it to Loiuse the other day, I meant it as a sincere compliment and I'll proudly say it again:
"Louise, I'm not worthy to even carry your laptop across the street."
 :-*   ;)   :)   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 04:38:18 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 25, 2006, 04:07:52 pm
Since there have been no pictures here in the past 10 pages or so .. how about

I've missed you and your deelicious pic's Milli!  :)

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 04:39:50 pm
Update ... and this is the LAST ONE TONIGHT!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/121118.html  "Chapter 69:  Vulnerable"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 04:42:28 pm
Quote from: Lucise on September 25, 2006, 04:04:19 pm
Sucks to hear of people trolling your LJs ladies. 

I'm soo sorry to hear it too, Lori. Really saddens me  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 04:44:43 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 25, 2006, 03:05:53 pm
Nite all. Be good June. ;) ;) ;D
I'm ALWAYS good dear Souxi!! Aren't I?!?  :P  ;D

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 04:59:43 pm
This just in:
Received this in my e-mail just now.  This is my hubby featured in last week's performance.  That would have been me right up front, had I still been in the band.  Oh, well.  And yes, I'm not worthy to carry his trumpet across the street!  LOL.  I'm very proud of his talent.  (He even has a Grammy.)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:12:42 pm
your husband has a GRAMMY award?

SQUEEEE! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 05:17:57 pm
Hey gang!
Happy stuff!
I just got the nicest e-mail from a guy (who had read and liked my JAG/NCIS crossover slash fic) thanking me for recommending the LS.  He's hooked, can't get anything else done, and calls it a page-turner.
Isn't that sweet!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:18:59 pm
whoo hoo!  invite him over!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 05:27:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:12:42 pm
your husband has a GRAMMY award?

SQUEEEE! 

Yep.

He's real good.  His hero/idol was Maynard Ferguson.  He toured on the road with The Platters in the early '70's, did studio recordings with bands on several vinyl LP's, and was on a Grammy Award winning album in 1996, has played in many other groups.  Plus, he played lead trumpet for 20 years in US Navy Bands.  Now working all over central Florida.   8)   8)   8)  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:31:51 pm
Yes, it's that time again.

The plot has made its twistings and turnings in the small family drama that is Riverton after Ennis and Ellery confronted themselves and their pasts on Brokeback, and this volume of the Laramie Saga is about to enter its final phase.

Will Ellery be able to accept that being in a relationship with Ennis is more than being his ever-available and always-passionate lover, so that he can recover his health and face the trial that awaits him and Ennis back in Laramie?

Will Junior close the door on the incendiary relationship with the now-unstable, immature and sulky Curt and find a new life with her father's help?

Will Ennis and Ellery ever get a chance to sneak away to the Honeymoon Cottage for a little more R & R before real life closes in on them again?

And what is Ellery scheming to get Ennis as a token of his affection and love?

Stay tuned for the conclusion to "Riverton Place"... er, "The Long Way Home."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 05:54:52 pm
Just for grins and giggles:
In case anyone has wondered what I did with my time BEFORE I discovered LS, here is the muti-fandom archive that I've hung out in for several YEARS also known as The WWOMB:

http://www.squidge.org/~peja/cgi-bin/index.php

There is no obligation whatsoever to read them, but my 3 fanfics are here:

http://www.squidge.org/~peja/cgi-bin/viewuser.php?uid=104

2 are short, and just to forewarn ya, the long  one is 'darkfic' and a WIP.
And I got a total of ... wait, let me check ... a whole 17 reviews.  Woo-hooo!

Thanx for letting me pimp my humble work!
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:56:33 pm
Navy, you might consider starting a thread for your stories.  We are in the process of widening the mission of our humble Fan Fiction section to include MORE than just BBM fan fic, and we would certainly like to have you along.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 25, 2006, 05:58:56 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 24, 2006, 07:18:40 pm
I don't think I'll ever get used to or understand how people can say such hurtful and nasty things to other people.  I must still be a little naive, somehow.  I mean I know there is a lot of hate and mean people in the world, but I sure try to avoid any confrontation. 

I'm behind and catching up, but just wanted to say, yeah I feel the same way.  Had my own similar 'back to reality' experience a while ago, just because we all love Brokeback Mountain doesn't mean we can all get along... (or all be nice to each other, apparently), just like the world at large.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 06:03:05 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:56:33 pm
Navy, you might consider starting a thread for your stories.  We are in the process of widening the mission of our humble Fan Fiction section to include MORE than just BBM fan fic, and we would certainly like to have you along.



Hmmm, sounds interesting .  I am trying to set up my LJ, but it's not cooperatin'.
Today, I can't get the cut thingy to work or anything.   ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 06:04:59 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 05:27:58 pm
Yep.

He's real good.  His hero/idol was Maynard Ferguson.  He toured on the road with The Platters in the early '70's, did studio recordings with bands on several vinyl LP's, and was on a Grammy Award winning album in 1996, has played in many other groups.  Plus, he played lead trumpet for 20 years in US Navy Bands.  Now working all over central Florida.   8)   8)   8)  
How wonderful NavyVet!
Loved the pic  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 06:08:55 pm
Hee hee Louise - it is a long running drama isn't it? Want to see how all the various threads tie up, but at the same time I don't want the story to end.

This has been one hell of an emotional roller coaster of a trip, not much of a vacation really.

SPOILER

I'd forgotten that Bill's trial is coming up - now that is going to be stressful. No matter how comfortable Ellery is with his homosexuality having an ex lover on trial on juvenille porn charges is not going to be a walk in the park. You just know Bill's defence is going to try to slander Elery in some way. Oh, and then there's the Brad Sevigny case too.

And I'm dying to see what token Ellery has in mind for Ennis. And to see what Dupree has been up to.

Wow - it's gonna be busy!

I liked your last line there, reminded me of the weekly sign off on SOAP (the spoof soap opera from years ago - probably showing my age now).

Will Junior leave Curt and move to Laramie?
Will Ennis finally snap and roger Ellery so hard he leaves him in traction?
Will Louise have to keep writing the Laramie saga for the rest of her natural life?

Find out next time.... on The Laramie Saga!


 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 25, 2006, 06:11:43 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 04:39:50 pm
Update ... and this is the LAST ONE TONIGHT!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/121118.html  "Chapter 69:  Vulnerable"

THANK YOU LOUISE!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 25, 2006, 06:20:36 pm
everything okay now Nat?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 25, 2006, 06:37:27 pm
Quote from: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 06:08:55 pm
Hee hee Louise - it is a long running drama isn't it? Want to see how all the various threads tie up, but at the same time I don't want the story to end.

This has been one hell of an emotional roller coaster of a trip, not much of a vacation really.

SPOILER

I'd forgotten that Bill's trial is coming up - now that is going to be stressful. No matter how comfortable Ellery is with his homosexuality having an ex lover on trial on juvenille porn charges is not going to be a walk in the park. You just know Bill's defence is going to try to slander Elery in some way. Oh, and then there's the Brad Sevigny case too.

And I'm dying to see what token Ellery has in mind for Ennis. And to see what Dupree has been up to.

Wow - it's gonna be busy!

I liked your last line there, reminded me of the weekly sign off on SOAP (the spoof soap opera from years ago - probably showing my age now).

Will Junior leave Curt and move to Laramie?
Will Ennis finally snap and roger Ellery so hard he leaves him in traction?
Will Louise have to keep writing the Laramie saga for the rest of her natural life?

Find out next time.... on The Laramie Saga!


 
I LOVE this post Karen!
Yes, she will  :)
OH God, I hope not! Hee hee  :laugh:
OH God, YES! I hope she will!!  ;D

And I'm looking forward to a whole lot of Dupree!!!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 09:03:35 pm
This is my very favorite actor - David James Elliott.  He just joined the cast of Close To Home.  He's 6' 4", tall, dark and handsome.  Isn't he yummy?  I was just wondering if there are any future  LS characters age 40-45 that he could fit the description of.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 09:12:25 pm
More pics of DJE:  He's also an Ironman triathlon athlete!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 25, 2006, 09:17:21 pm
Just one more - a lovely back shot.  He's got the cutest dimples!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Monica on September 26, 2006, 12:39:11 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 05:31:51 pm
Yes, it's that time again.

The plot has made its twistings and turnings in the small family drama that is Riverton after Ennis and Ellery confronted themselves and their pasts on Brokeback, and this volume of the Laramie Saga is about to enter its final phase.

Will Ellery be able to accept that being in a relationship with Ennis is more than being his ever-available and always-passionate lover, so that he can recover his health and face the trial that awaits him and Ennis back in Laramie?

Will Junior close the door on the incendiary relationship with the now-unstable, immature and sulky Curt and find a new life with her father's help?

Will Ennis and Ellery ever get a chance to sneak away to the Honeymoon Cottage for a little more R & R before real life closes in on them again?

And what is Ellery scheming to get Ennis as a token of his affection and love?

Stay tuned for the conclusion to "Riverton Place"... er, "The Long Way Home."

Riverton Place, LOL!!!

Um, Louise, there will be part 6, right?   ::)

Tara
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 26, 2006, 02:13:37 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 06:08:55 pm
Will Louise have to keep writing the Laramie saga for the rest of her natural life?

Find out next time.... on The Laramie Saga!



oh, what a great idea! Louise? Louise!!
 :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 26, 2006, 03:11:12 am
Quote from: Monica on September 26, 2006, 12:39:11 am
Riverton Place, LOL!!!

Um, Louise, there will be part 6, right?   ::)

Tara

Good news is Louise has said there'll be a book 6 - The Red Stallion, but the bad news is she will stop after book 6.

Well, Louise, I am thinking is it possible that you write about their life when they're older like 50 something?  I think that'll be interesting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David In Indy on September 26, 2006, 03:20:18 am
Uh huh.... HELLO!!!    :o

I just saw those pics NavyVet posted.

God. I'm going to start checking this thread more often.

Damn it just got hot here!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 26, 2006, 03:33:20 am
Quote from: David925 on September 26, 2006, 03:20:18 am
Uh huh.... HELLO!!!    :o

I just saw those pics NavyVet posted.

God. I'm going to start checking this thread more often.

Damn it just got hot here!
Hahaha, hi David!

 ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 26, 2006, 03:38:41 am
Quote from: yb on September 26, 2006, 03:11:12 am

Well, Louise, I am thinking is it possible that you write about their life when they're older like 50 something?  I think that'll be interesting.

I think this is a really good idea!
I'd love it  :)
*looks at Louise*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 26, 2006, 04:01:41 am
Coooeeee good morning all. Hi June. ;) ;). Lovely and sunny today, so more "action" please to raise the temp a bit would be nice Lousie. ;) ;) Good on Ennis for sorting out Curt. This is really dragging on isnt it? I sympathise with Junior if Curt is trying to blackmail her as someone on LJ suggested, but on the other hand it seems that when anything goes wrong in her life she runs to daddy straight away to get him to sort things out for her. Yes I know he,s her father and he loves her but she is a grown woman and unless Curt is beating her, or indeed blackmailing her then she really has to try and stand on her own two feet a bit more instead of running to Ennis all the time, who (A) has his own life with Ellery to consider and (B) has had more than enough of his own problems to deal with lately without taking on hers too. I dont go running to my parents all the time, I,d much rather they stayed out of things, they get on my nerves when they interfere..I,d rather sort it out myself. Hope our boys can get back to the honeymoon cottage for some "them" time before they have to get back to Laramie. They really need a break from all this..it is supposed to be a vacation after all. Some vacation they,ve had!! Ribs, backs, Curt,Junior, Alma.. This isnt helping Ellery get better atall, it,s just adding to his stress levesl. They need some snuggling time. Dont they June? And we can come up with plenty of ideas to help cant we?  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 26, 2006, 04:20:15 am
Quote from: souxi on September 26, 2006, 04:01:41 am
Coooeeee good morning all. Hi June. ;) ;).
They need some snuggling time. Dont they June? And we can come up with plenty of ideas to help cant we?  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Morning Souxi!  :)  ;D
I was dreamless last night, so no pm's....... :P
They do indeed Souxi, some lovely relaxed snuggling would be wonderful  :) Hee hee I'll start thinking on that!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 26, 2006, 05:51:13 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 06:08:55 pm
Hee hee Louise - it is a long running drama isn't it? Want to see how all the various threads tie up, but at the same time I don't want the story to end.

This has been one hell of an emotional roller coaster of a trip, not much of a vacation really.

SPOILER

I'd forgotten that Bill's trial is coming up - now that is going to be stressful. No matter how comfortable Ellery is with his homosexuality having an ex lover on trial on juvenille porn charges is not going to be a walk in the park. You just know Bill's defence is going to try to slander Elery in some way. Oh, and then there's the Brad Sevigny case too.

 

I agree with you Karen its been one hell of an emotional roller coaster, and barely a vacation. However, it got its bright side. Ellery got to know Ennis's family, and the girls like him, and that'd never would've happened if they hadn't stop in Riverton or if Ellery hadn't gotten ill. Alma Jr. had already met him when she went to Laramie, but now she has developed a friendship with Ellery, and that's important.

Also, as far as I am concerned, there'll be no Brad Sevigny case. He pleaded guilty on all charges. (Chapter 74 A Shelther from the Storm).
 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 05:52:27 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/121497.html  "Chapter 70:  A Father's Worry"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 07:51:02 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/121679.html  "Chapter 71: A Bad Night"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 26, 2006, 08:41:19 am
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on September 26, 2006, 07:51:02 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/121679.html  "Chapter 71: A Bad Night"

This wasn't a bad night. This was a complete shitty night, it couldn't have been worse. POOR DUPREE! Now Ellery and Ennis's vacations are definitely cut short. However, I'm thinking  that maybe it's the best it can happen to them right now, because Ellery with a dislocated rib, and Junior with all her troubles and becoming a pest on top of it all, they won't be able to go back to Dubois. There's no point to go back to Dubois if Ellery is going to be in pain, and Ennis is going to be all worried about Junior.

Anyway Louise, it was great to have a new chapter to read while eating lunch!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 09:16:22 am
huh?  I wasnt quite sure what you meant by cutting the vacation short.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 26, 2006, 09:26:09 am
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on September 26, 2006, 09:16:22 am
huh?  I wasnt quite sure what you meant by cutting the vacation short.

Didn't mean anything in particular, just speculating about what is happening. Thinking out loud that is!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 10:33:44 am
speculate away!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 26, 2006, 10:50:33 am
But I would think it's natural that Ellery returns to Laramie to deal with this disaster.  Besides, didn't you say you can't write their 'vacation' for another few more days?  But the problem is how is Ellery going to endure the drive back?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 10:59:04 am
...uhhh... I didn't say they have to go back to Laramie now.  I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 26, 2006, 11:07:54 am
Quote from: yb on September 26, 2006, 10:50:33 am
But I would think it's natural that Ellery returns to Laramie to deal with this disaster.  Besides, didn't you say you can't write their 'vacation' for another few more days?  But the problem is how is Ellery going to endure the drive back?
That's just it, he's in no fit state to sit up properly yet, so how can he endure the car drive??  :(
What a mess.... :(
And yes, my poor sweet Dupree  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 26, 2006, 11:15:15 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 26, 2006, 11:07:54 am
That's just it, he's in no fit state to sit up properly yet, so how can he endure the car drive??  :(
What a mess.... :(
And yes, my poor sweet Dupree  :'(

Exactly, he isnt in any fit state to endure that drive, it,ll make him worse, IMO. Anyway, tbo, I,m not sure theres much he can do by driving back to Laramie anyway. Dupree is in the best place and as long as Ellery is kept up to date on his condition, there isnt much else he can do. Poor Dupree though. What a night!! :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 01:05:45 pm
*typity typity type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 26, 2006, 01:06:47 pm
Hi, checking in real quick - busy day.  Had an appt at the VA this morning.  Came back and managed to squeeze in reading 2 chapters - yay - awesome.  (More nail biting suspense)
Now I gotta get ready to go to my flute lesson.

Just wanted to leave some eye candy for y'all while I'm out, though.  This is my favorite model from Bel Ami. (gay porn film studio).  Lukas Ridgeston is known for his piercing 'wolf eyes'.  Isn't he just the most adorable, beautiful man?   Mmm-mmm!  I have more stats if interested.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 26, 2006, 01:11:05 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on September 26, 2006, 01:06:47 pm
Hi, checking in real quick - busy day.  Had an appt at the VA this morning.  Came back and managed to squeeze in reading 2 chapters - yay - awesome.  (More nail biting suspense)
Now I gotta get ready to go to my flute lesson.

Just wanted to leave some eye candy for y'all while I'm out, though.  This is my favorite model from Bel Ami. (gay porn film studio).  Lukas Ridgeston is known for his piercing 'wolf eyes'.  Isn't he just the most adorable, beautiful man?   Mmm-mmm!  I have more stats if interested.  Enjoy!

  wow  that boys eyes could melt steel... he is a definate stud
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 02:02:00 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/122111.html  "Chapter 72:  Abstinence"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 26, 2006, 02:15:47 pm
Spoilt with chapters again today Louise.

Spoiler

Poor old Dupree, burns can be nasty! Hope it doesn't keep him from work for too long. Sounds like Ellery will get a bit more rest tho. And more time to watch hetero porn. His reation was just too funny!

“Get yer tits out a the way, girl, show me the cock.”
“Now that’s just... wrong.”

Priceless -  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 02:21:05 pm
hee hee Kazza. I cracked myself up on the way home thinking about writing this chapter.  I'm glad someone else cracked up too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 26, 2006, 02:36:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 26, 2006, 02:21:05 pm
hee hee Kazza. I cracked myself up on the way home thinking about writing this chapter.  I'm glad someone else cracked up too!
OH Louise, you cracked me up BIG TIME too!! I LOVED that whole chapter!! And you gave us 4!! chapts today!!!!

 :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 26, 2006, 02:38:05 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on September 26, 2006, 01:11:05 pm
  wow  that boys eyes could melt steel... he is a definate stud
Hee hee Janice.....definitely.....*dreamy sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 26, 2006, 02:43:24 pm
Right folks, I,m off for the night. I,ve got most haunted to watch, I,m addicted to it lol. Thanks for that hilarious chapter Louise lol. You,ve gotta feel sorry for poor Ellery though havnt you? He really must be miserable and frustrated still being awake at 3.am watching porn because he obviously cant sleep without Ennis there.  :'( :'( :'(
Lets hope things get sorted out with horrible crazy Curt tomorow, and the boys can get on with their vacation. Nite all, tc. Nite June, be good. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 26, 2006, 02:47:08 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 26, 2006, 02:43:24 pm
Right folks, I,m off for the night. I,ve got most haunted to watch, I,m addicted to it lol. Thanks for that hilarious chapter Louise lol. You,ve gotta feel sorry for poor Ellery though havnt you? He really must be miserable and frustrated still being awake at 3.am watching porn because he obviously cant sleep without Ennis there.  :'( :'( :'(
Lets hope things get sorted out with horrible crazy Curt tomorow, and the boys can get on with their vacation. Nite all, tc. Nite June, be good. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Nite Souxi  ;D
Should I check my pm's first thing tomorrow??  :P  ;)  ;D
You'd better check yours....or maybe not....hehehe
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 26, 2006, 02:50:16 pm
Has anyone else noticed...I think it is becoming a running gag with our author and the Wes and Ellery conversations. Wes asks a question, Ellery answers and Wes usually comes back with something like, "I didn't need to know that," or "That's too much information." They always make me laugh.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 02:59:21 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 26, 2006, 02:36:15 pm
OH Louise, you cracked me up BIG TIME too!! I LOVED that whole chapter!! And you gave us 4!! chapts today!!!!

 :-*  :-*

no just 3.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 26, 2006, 05:22:18 pm
Quote from: Kazza on September 26, 2006, 02:15:47 pm
Spoilt with chapters again today Louise.

Spoiler

Poor old Dupree, burns can be nasty! Hope it doesn't keep him from work for too long. Sounds like Ellery will get a bit more rest tho. And more time to watch hetero porn. His reation was just too funny!

“Get yer tits out a the way, girl, show me the cock.”
“Now that’s just... wrong.”

Priceless -  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Yes, indeed - priceless!  I was ROFL!
Poor Ellery, trying to make do.  I have to agree with him there; compared to gay porn, straight porn is so ... boring.
  :-X    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 05:22:35 pm
or maybe you were predicting the future, June.

update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/122256.html  "Chapter 73:  Facing Facts"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 26, 2006, 05:26:42 pm
I was just about to head to bed - I really was, but I just couldn't go without a quick refresh - and yay, another update.  ;D

I'm gonna skip off and read it and then retire for sweet dreams.

Thanks Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 26, 2006, 05:32:08 pm
Hoo- weee!
4 chappies!
I'm, in heaven.  That was awesome, Louise.

Tonight I get to watch one of my fav TV shows:  NCIS.  It's so slashable!   ;D

Now I better go see about dinner.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 26, 2006, 06:47:35 pm
well gang, if I stare at these numbers long enough... I might believe them.

Tonight the Laramie Saga LJ site went over 3,100 page views for a single 24 hour period, up from just over 2,600 yesterday, from 314 individual hosts.

the number of unique (new) host connections since I started logging stats on the site is a mind boggling 851.
Wow, just... wow.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 26, 2006, 11:24:48 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 26, 2006, 02:50:16 pm
Has anyone else noticed...I think it is becoming a running gag with our author and the Wes and Ellery conversations. Wes asks a question, Ellery answers and Wes usually comes back with something like, "I didn't need to know that," or "That's too much information." They always make me laugh.

Leslie

Those two crack me up Leslie! I think Wes and Ellery's relationship is one of my favorite parts of this fic... I love their fights as well... strange, but there you have it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David In Indy on September 27, 2006, 03:39:10 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 26, 2006, 01:06:47 pm
Hi, checking in real quick - busy day.  Had an appt at the VA this morning.  Came back and managed to squeeze in reading 2 chapters - yay - awesome.  (More nail biting suspense)
Now I gotta get ready to go to my flute lesson.

Just wanted to leave some eye candy for y'all while I'm out, though.  This is my favorite model from Bel Ami. (gay porn film studio).  Lukas Ridgeston is known for his piercing 'wolf eyes'.  Isn't he just the most adorable, beautiful man?   Mmm-mmm!  I have more stats if interested.  Enjoy!


Oh My! He's just about flawless!

NavyVet, thank you for that gorgeous pic!  :D

But now I have a 5 alarm fire burning in my basement and I don't have anyone to put it out.

Does someone have Lucas' number handy?  ;)

Thanks for sharing the great pic. He is a real cutie!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 04:42:44 am
Quote from: littleguitar on September 26, 2006, 11:24:48 pm
Those two crack me up Leslie! I think Wes and Ellery's relationship is one of my favorite parts of this fic... I love their fights as well... strange, but there you have it!
It's one of my favourites too Mandy. Not strange at all, I feel the exact same way!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 27, 2006, 04:56:17 am
Morning all. Mornin June. ;) ;)
Well what a nice surprise Louise. I get up this morning and theres another chapter waiting for me! :o :o
If Junior doesnt stop what we over here call "faffing about" and make her damn mind up, I can see Ennis loosing his patience with her completely..I am!! grrr. She really has got to decide once and for all what shes going to do. I love the banter between Ellery and Wes too. Made me laugh when Ellery told him he was being a good boy watching "normal" porn and Wes replied that he really didnt need to know that lol. Priceless. ;D ;D
Right, lets get crazy mad Curt and faffing silly Junior sorted out and get those boys back together for some tender moments. :P :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 27, 2006, 05:31:40 am
Quote from: souxi on September 27, 2006, 04:56:17 am

If Junior doesnt stop what we over here call "faffing about" and make her damn mind up, I can see Ennis loosing his patience with her completely..I am!! grrr. She really has got to decide once and for all what shes going to do.

Souxi, I agree. I'm getting to the stage where I want to give that girl a good shake. "Faffing about" - I like that phrase too! It quainter than some of the alternatives.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 05:39:03 am
I'm dying here... learning a new word:  "faffing."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 27, 2006, 06:06:27 am
Hahahaha, I,m glad you like it Louise lol. Heres another one for you then. When Ellery has made a mistake at work Like not checking a statement properly or just generally overlooked something he shouldnt have, we would say hes made a "pigs ear" of it...which means he,s made a hash of it, or messed it up. So there ya go, two new words, faffing and pigs ear. Oh and faffing could also be fannying about as well lol. ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on September 27, 2006, 06:12:23 am
Quote from: souxi on September 27, 2006, 06:06:27 am
Hahahaha, I,m glad you like it Louise lol. Heres another one for you then. When Ellery has made a mistake at work Like not checking a statement properly or just generally overlooked something he shouldnt have, we would say hes made a "pigs ear" of it...which means he,s made a hash of it, or messed it up. So there ya go, two new words, faffing and pigs ear. Oh and faffing could also be fannying about as well lol. ;D :laugh:

One of my faves is "arsing about", although that's perhaps less quaint! Glad to see another English fan of E & E. I love your pic at the bottom of your posts. Quite agree, sex on legs lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 27, 2006, 06:24:31 am
In Oz it's called fart-arsing about or buggerising around.

Meanwhile Curt's behaviour would be called a dummy spit.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 27, 2006, 06:36:34 am
Quote from: katecaton on September 27, 2006, 06:12:23 am
One of my faves is "arsing about", although that's perhaps less quaint! Glad to see another English fan of E & E. I love your pic at the bottom of your posts. Quite agree, sex on legs lol

Hey there Kate, nice to see a fellow Brit. He is sex on legs isnt he? Very long legs too and he,s got great thighs, I do like a bloke with good thighs. :P :P :P :P ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 07:36:50 am
Quote from: souxi on September 27, 2006, 06:36:34 am
Hey there Kate, nice to see a fellow Brit. He is sex on legs isnt he? Very long legs too and he,s got great thighs, I do like a bloke with good thighs. :P :P :P :P ;)
Good afternoon dear Souxi  ;D

Like a bloke with good thighs?!?!! How about LOOOOVE!!!!!!!  And good, strong thighs..... :P  :o  LOL!

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 07:42:05 am
Thanks ladies for all the great new words I've learnt today!  ;D I especially like "faffing" about and "arsing" about!  :laugh:
I guess it's no use naming some of the Dutch expressions, is it??   :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 07:43:24 am
only if you tell us how to pronounce them...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 07:53:45 am
ok gang... *typity typity type*. I  had actual REAL WORK to do for a while but now that pesky stuff is out of the way...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 27, 2006, 08:03:06 am
Phrases that Jeeves may use in fact. Or is he a little too upper class for such colloquialisms?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 27, 2006, 08:29:34 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 07:42:05 am
Thanks ladies for all the great new words I've learnt today!  ;D I especially like "faffing" about and "arsing" about!  :laugh:
I guess it's no use naming some of the Dutch expressions, is it??   :laugh:

Oh yes please June, tell us some of your expressions. And re the thighs, , yes I like em strong and firm, well you need a good grip dont you?  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 08:30:08 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/122385.html  "Chapter 74: Pow-Wow"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 27, 2006, 08:32:56 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 07:42:05 am
Thanks ladies for all the great new words I've learnt today!  ;D I especially like "faffing" about and "arsing" about!  :laugh:
I guess it's no use naming some of the Dutch expressions, is it??   :laugh:

oh, i don't know about that. Any suggestions?  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 27, 2006, 10:20:11 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 07:42:05 am
Thanks ladies for all the great new words I've learnt today!  ;D I especially like "faffing" about and "arsing" about!  :laugh:
I guess it's no use naming some of the Dutch expressions, is it??   :laugh:

I remember one from when I was a child, that would fit that moron Curt, but I don't know how to spell it.  Sounds like:
"Lummel"

Maybe Juni could explain?   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 10:29:28 am
Chapter 74:

Ellery said, "....So a threat from me is always a very serious thing, as Ennis here found out.”


What do you fine people think he was referring to here? This is puzzling me.

and later (same chapter): Ellery again, "....I can drive myself back in my own car.”

Junior, you may be kissing that El Camino good bye....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 27, 2006, 10:33:22 am
Hi Everyone

Just been playing catch up on the thread, having a great laugh at all the words and terms that have been introduced today!  Being a Brit, I knew the ones Souxi mentioned.  I dont know if you know this Souxi, but up North, particular in the area I'm from, the word "cock" is a term of endearment?   :laugh:  Honestly, people use it all the time.  You hear it all the time on Coronation Street.  I know that Ennis and Ellery would most definitely like the idea of "cock" being a term of endearment!  ;)


SPOILER


Wonderful chapters you've given us lately Louise, and I loved Ellery's face to face chat with Junior, I love it when Ellery gets all professional.  I dont know about Ennis, but I was getting all riled up just reading it!   ;D

Cant wait for Ellery to get better, so they can have some sweet, hot tender loving again.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 27, 2006, 10:36:27 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 10:29:28 am
Chapter 74:

Ellery said, "....So a threat from me is always a very serious thing, as Ennis here found out.”


What do you fine people think he was referring to here? This is puzzling me.

and later (same chapter): Ellery again, "....I can drive myself back in my own car.”

Junior, you may be kissing that El Camino good bye....

Leslie

Hi Leslie

I'd forgotten about those two curious lines, but yes, I did wonder what Ellery meant - I didnt think Ellery had ever threatened Ennis with anything, had he?  I mean, they've had their arguments, but nothing more?  Am very intrigued. 

Maybe Ellery said that about the car to piss Junior off, as he was pretty pissed off with her himself at that point.  Or maybe he knew that Ennis would go back with him all along, and he was just saying it for effect.

I'm so so glad Ennis went back with him - I think I would have been annoyed with Ennis if he'd stayed. That girl needs to know that she can't always be the centre of attention.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 10:50:36 am
you want me to give it away, what Ellery was talking about?

And yes, he made a subtle threat to take the car away if she was going to be a manipulative idiot.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 27, 2006, 10:57:41 am
Quote from: louisev on September 27, 2006, 10:50:36 am
you want me to give it away, what Ellery was talking about?

And yes, he made a subtle threat to take the car away if she was going to be a manipulative idiot.

Yes, please Louise, its bugging me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 10:59:56 am
Quote from: louisev on September 27, 2006, 10:50:36 am
you want me to give it away, what Ellery was talking about?


You know I want to know. I brought it up in the first place!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 27, 2006, 11:01:31 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 10:29:28 am
Chapter 74:

Ellery said, "....So a threat from me is always a very serious thing, as Ennis here found out.”

I assumed that he was referring to his shooting of the guy who shot at them in Ennis's truck outside the police station. I don't recall Ellery ever threatening Ennis with anything.

My assumptions could be completely wrong of course.

I actually feel a little sorry for Junior at the moment. Don't get me wrong, I want to shake her, but she is young, and confused. She wants her Daddy to take her away from her problems.

I think that it's interesting that Ellery seems quite immune to feminine emotional manipulation, as with Junior and Alma previously. He can be cold when he needs to be - guess that the policeman coming out in him.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 27, 2006, 11:05:34 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 27, 2006, 11:01:31 am
I assumed that he was referring to his shooting of the guy who shot at them in Ennis's truck outside the police station. I don't recall Ellery ever threatening Ennis with anything.

My assumptions could be completely wrong of course.

I actually feel a little sorry for Junior at the moment. Don't get me wrong, I want to shake her, but she is young, and confused. She wants her Daddy to take her away from her problems.

I think that it's interesting that Ellery seems quite immune to feminine emotional manipulation, as with Junior and Alma previously. He can be cold when he needs to be - guess that the policeman coming out in him.



I thought that was it at first too Kazza, but I am sure that was a more specific reference to Ennis, I dont know why.

As for Junior, I dont really feel sorry for her, although I think I should! Does that make sense? lol  She's just driving me mad with her faffing about, and her constant moaning to her dad.  I dont think she's had anyone be as direct and as cold as Ellery was, and I think that really threw her, especially as he was always so nice and friendly before. 

My take on Ellery being immune to female manipulation is the fact that he never married, never had a girlfriend and doesnt have children - and that he is a policeman and is able to take out the emotional aspect of any situation when he needs to - as well as add it back in when its needed too. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 27, 2006, 11:08:17 am
Louise  - you might have to clear up that threat reference for some of us.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 11:09:48 am
Quote from: louisev on September 27, 2006, 07:43:24 am
only if you tell us how to pronounce them...!
Hehehe - I'll tell you in person when you come to Holland  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 11:11:28 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 27, 2006, 11:08:17 am
Louise  - you might have to clear up that threat reference for some of us.
Yep, definitely!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 11:11:53 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 27, 2006, 11:08:17 am
Louise  - you might have to clear up that threat reference for some of us.

I am thinking it was a situation where Ennis saw Ellery threaten someone else, but I am not putting two and two together as to when it was. It wasn't outside the police station (after Ennis's truck got shot)--there wasn't enough time then, and when Ellery went back out with the gun, Ennis wasn't there.

Leslie <------- continuing to wrack her brain
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 11:12:02 am
Ellery was talking about the night Beagle called him from the apartment and told him he had just fucked Rudy and Ennis had to restrain him physically from going up to the apartment armed and chasing them off with his gun.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 11:13:35 am
Quote from: louisev on September 27, 2006, 11:12:02 am
Ellery was talking about the night Beagle called him from the apartment and told him he had just fucked Rudy and Ennis had to restrain him physically from going up to the apartment armed and chasing them off with his gun.

Of course. Duh.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 27, 2006, 11:17:52 am
Quote from: louisev on September 27, 2006, 11:12:02 am
Ellery was talking about the night Beagle called him from the apartment and told him he had just fucked Rudy and Ennis had to restrain him physically from going up to the apartment armed and chasing them off with his gun.

Oh yes of course!  It's so clear to me now.  Thanks for that Louise.  He really wasnt messing then, was he?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 27, 2006, 11:20:30 am
Oh, that.  But do you think Ennis would make the connection immediately?

Back to Jr, I don't remember the situation but there was a chapter where I think Ellery was hurt or something and all Jr cared about was whether Ellery will still keep his promise to leave her the car.  At that time I thought she had said she likes Ellery, but all she cared was the car.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 11:25:03 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 27, 2006, 10:20:11 am
I remember one from when I was a child, that would fit that moron Curt, but I don't know how to spell it.  Sounds like:
"Lummel"

Maybe Juni could explain?   :)
Well "lummel" is kind of a sweet word for a harmless guy.
Now "lul" is Dutch slang for cock, which is also used if you really think some guy is an asshole!
"klooien" would be something like "faffing around"
And I call Junior a "trut" - it's a bit like bitch but not quite as nasty  :D

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 11:28:01 am
Quote from: louisev on September 27, 2006, 11:12:02 am
Ellery was talking about the night Beagle called him from the apartment and told him he had just fucked Rudy and Ennis had to restrain him physically from going up to the apartment armed and chasing them off with his gun.
Oh Yes! *smacks forhead* I totally forgot about that!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 27, 2006, 11:28:41 am
Ahhhh.... of course!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 27, 2006, 11:32:44 am
Quote from: christie wood on September 27, 2006, 10:33:22 am
Hi Everyone

Just been playing catch up on the thread, having a great laugh at all the words and terms that have been introduced today!  Being a Brit, I knew the ones Souxi mentioned.  I dont know if you know this Souxi, but up North, particular in the area I'm from, the word "cock" is a term of endearment?   :laugh:  Honestly, people use it all the time.  You hear it all the time on Coronation Street.  I know that Ennis and Ellery would most definitely like the idea of "cock" being a term of endearment!  ;)


SPOILER


Wonderful chapters you've given us lately Louise, and I loved Ellery's face to face chat with Junior, I love it when Ellery gets all professional.  I dont know about Ennis, but I was getting all riled up just reading it!   ;D

Cant wait for Ellery to get better, so they can have some sweet, hot tender loving again.




Yes Christie I did know that about the word cock even though I,m a southener lol. ;D Yes I,d like it if they used the term cock in an endearing way too lol. I love it when Ellery gets all professional and masterful lol. Oh btw Louise, in chapter 64, when Ennis gets back to the room and Ellery is alseep, he,s looking down at him, laying there, with his lovely long hair on his pillow,*SIGH* sorry I digress lol, and Ennis is thinking about how beautifull Ellery is? Which of course he is. Any chance Ennis could tell him that during a tender moment please? That would be lovely, and me and June and everyone else would probably melt into great big puddles if he did that. *SIGH* again lol. :P :P :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on September 27, 2006, 11:40:06 am
Quote from: christie wood on September 27, 2006, 10:33:22 am
Hi Everyone

Just been playing catch up on the thread, having a great laugh at all the words and terms that have been introduced today!  Being a Brit, I knew the ones Souxi mentioned.  I dont know if you know this Souxi, but up North, particular in the area I'm from, the word "cock" is a term of endearment?   :laugh:  Honestly, people use it all the time.  You hear it all the time on Coronation Street.  I know that Ennis and Ellery would most definitely like the idea of "cock" being a term of endearment!  ;)


SPOILER


Wonderful chapters you've given us lately Louise, and I loved Ellery's face to face chat with Junior, I love it when Ellery gets all professional.  I dont know about Ennis, but I was getting all riled up just reading it!   ;D

Cant wait for Ellery to get better, so they can have some sweet, hot tender loving again.



We also used to use "cock" as meaning the top, the best, for example "He's the cock of the school" meaning he was the top man. I love this word, it's SO expressive!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on September 27, 2006, 11:42:10 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 11:25:03 am
Well "lummel" is kind of a sweet word for a harmless guy.
Now "lul" is Dutch slang for cock, which is also used if you really think some guy is an asshole!
"klooien" would be something like "faffing around"
And I call Junior a "trut" - it's a bit like bitch but not quite as nasty  :D

 ;D

 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

okay, i have another: asshole that could also be a 'klootzak' or 'smeerlap'
and junior is definitely being a 'kreng' (although is have to say, i do feel a bit sorry for her. She thought daddy and Ellery were going to be her 'knights in shining armour' but that's not going to happen) so 'kreng' is maybe too strong

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 11:58:03 am
Quote from: katecaton on September 27, 2006, 11:40:06 am
We also used to use "cock" as meaning the top, the best, for example "He's the cock of the school" meaning he was the top man. I love this word, it's SO expressive!

And cock of the walk. That's the way I have always heard it although it seems to be an older expression, one my grandmother would use.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 12:04:14 pm
And with this, we reach 4600 magnificient posts, folks! 5000 is in our sights!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 12:16:52 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on September 27, 2006, 11:42:10 am
:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

okay, i have another: asshole that could also be a 'klootzak' or 'smeerlap'
and junior is definitely being a 'kreng' (although is have to say, i do feel a bit sorry for her. She thought daddy and Ellery were going to be her 'knights in shining armour' but that's not going to happen) so 'kreng' is maybe too strong


Yeah, "kreng" is a bit more like bitch than "trut"  Actually bitch is now quite common in the Dutch language too!
Haha, yep "klootzak" is another good one!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 12:22:16 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 12:04:14 pm
And with this, we reach 4600 magnificient posts, folks! 5000 is in our sights!

L
And to help things along just a tiny little bit:

SQUEEEEEE!!

Now, if ALL of us were to make these terribly 'insightful' posts -  ::) we'd get there in NO time!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 12:32:14 pm
Ahem - just a little something TOTALLY off topic  ::) but I hope our sweet mods won't mind!!  ;D

I posted my very first piece of writing, a drabble, on BBSlash this morning.....if anyone is interested I'm big_heart_june over there  :)

Back to our two favourite guys!  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 27, 2006, 01:56:47 pm
Quote from: katecaton on September 27, 2006, 11:40:06 am
We also used to use "cock" as meaning the top, the best, for example "He's the cock of the school" meaning he was the top man. I love this word, it's SO expressive!

Oh yes, Kate, I'd forgotten about that meaning, thats used up North too.   Yeah, its a great word,  I agree!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 02:04:56 pm
hey why dont some of you chatty girls come join us in chat for a change?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 02:17:59 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/122836.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: CarolK1943 on September 27, 2006, 02:32:05 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 11:58:03 am
And cock of the walk. That's the way I have always heard it although it seems to be an older expression, one my grandmother would use.

L

That's one I've heard, too, fairly recently, actually... just can't remember where or when... maybe I read it... I suffer from CRS disease (Can't Remember Shit).   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 02:35:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 27, 2006, 02:17:59 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/122836.html

This would be Chapter 75: The Lost Vacation
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 27, 2006, 02:36:22 pm
Well if you suffer from CRS Carol then I definately suffer from SN syndrome. (senior moment ). ;D And on that happy note,( thanks for that chapter Louise..I,ll say no more I dont want to spoil it for anyone who hasnt read it, ) I,m off. Nite all. Nite June. Be good and sweet dreams. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 02:41:12 pm
In honor of a very loving, sweet, hot, and tender chapter (all at once), I offer a gift to the wardrobe gallery: Ellery's loafers!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/9076442.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 27, 2006, 02:45:27 pm
Some pix of the lads ..

Beefy and Yummy!  8)  Hmm..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/791e6f12-2.jpg)

(Okay this aint really Heath, but I don't mind ..lol)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/enn5.jpg)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Jake/1be7da05.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 27, 2006, 02:46:36 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 02:41:12 pm
In honor of a very loving, sweet, hot, and tender chapter (all at once), I offer a gift to the wardrobe gallery: Ellery's loafers!


Loafers will be added to the gallery!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 04:50:19 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 27, 2006, 02:36:22 pm
Well if you suffer from CRS Carol then I definately suffer from SN syndrome. (senior moment ). ;D And on that happy note,( thanks for that chapter Louise..I,ll say no more I dont want to spoil it for anyone who hasnt read it, ) I,m off. Nite all. Nite June. Be good and sweet dreams. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Nite Souxi, sweet dreams to you too  ;)  ;)
We've been good all day haven't we??  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 04:52:44 pm
Quote from: CarolK1943 on September 27, 2006, 02:32:05 pm
I suffer from CRS disease (Can't Remember Shit).   ;D ;D ;D
LOL!!!
I think I suffer from that exact same disease!  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 04:54:14 pm
okay gang... just because I am getting the "silent treatment" again I am typity typing another chapter...

WITH sex.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on September 27, 2006, 04:57:16 pm
Yes Louise - type away ! I have to go to sleep now, but I shall set my alarm clock somewhat earlier ( 5.30) in order to check, if there is a fresh chapter up on the Laramie Saga

 :-*

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 27, 2006, 05:45:41 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/123023.html  "Chapter 76:  The Important Thing"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 27, 2006, 05:52:09 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on September 27, 2006, 12:32:14 pm
Ahem - just a little something TOTALLY off topic  ::) but I hope our sweet mods won't mind!!  ;D

I posted my very first piece of writing, a drabble, on BBSlash this morning.....if anyone is interested I'm big_heart_june over there  :)

Back to our two favourite guys!  :P  ;D

Cool June!  I'll be sure to check it out!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 27, 2006, 09:44:49 pm
OMG LOUISE!!!

I just got out of the shower, may have to head back!! ;D ;) ;D

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!!! SIGH
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 27, 2006, 10:51:00 pm
My, you all were busy today while I was away  ;D

Just wanted to say, the chapters posted today were fabulous!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 28, 2006, 02:11:38 am
Good morning all. Mornin June. ;) ;). Louise, this morning I quickly changed from a human being to a very large puddle on the floor after reading THAT chapter. wooooweeeeee!!!!! :o :o :o :o You are a true master of your craft Louise, that has to be one if not THE most erotic chapter you,ve ever writen, well done to you. I think we need more of those folks dont we? I honestly sat here with my mouth hanging open hardly breathing lol. I,ts only 7.am for Gods sake lol, a bit early to be having a hot flush already. Jeeez!!! :o :o :o  *fans self*. C you all later for some more  hot flushes lol. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 28, 2006, 04:31:57 am
Just goes to show if given a chance, Ellery can put his disabilities to good use in bringing out the creative streak in Ennis!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 28, 2006, 04:41:51 am
Quote from: souxi on September 28, 2006, 02:11:38 am
Good morning all. Mornin June. ;) ;). Louise, this morning I quickly changed from a human being to a very large puddle on the floor after reading THAT chapter. wooooweeeeee!!!!! :o :o :o :o You are a true master of your craft Louise, that has to be one if not THE most erotic chapter you,ve ever writen, well done to you. I think we need more of those folks dont we? I honestly sat here with my mouth hanging open hardly breathing lol. I,ts only 7.am for Gods sake lol, a bit early to be having a hot flush already. Jeeez!!! :o :o :o  *fans self*. C you all later for some more  hot flushes lol. ;) ;) ;)

SPOILERS
Morning everyone.  Souxi, got to agree with you - I feel like a big puddle of drool now, after reading "The Important Thing".   WOW! I mean, WOW!!!!!!!! 

How can a masturbation scene be that sexy?  I mean, poor Ellery didnt even get off.  But my, he sure made up for it with Ennis, didnt he?  Damn, just listening to him issuing those demands to Ennis, they just get me going, they really do. 

And the fingers....oh boy, i'm feeling all hot bothered again just thinking about those fingers in Ennis' mouth.  And the licking......damn, Louise, how do you do it?

You are an amazing writer Louise.  This scene was long overdue for Ennis and Ellery, after all the stresses.....I liked the fact that even though Ellery was unable to get involved, he was wanting Ennis to do it for his own pleasure, after all the stresses of the Junior and Curt saga.....that's what love is all about.

Thank you Louise, I can go and do some work now with a very big grin on my face!!!!!   ;)  (not that I'll be working for long though, not when the temptation to read that chapter afew more times will be so strong).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 28, 2006, 07:38:32 am
oh did I mention that the hit count on the site was way up today?

*snicker*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 28, 2006, 07:53:18 am
Quote from: louisev on September 28, 2006, 07:38:32 am
oh did I mention that the hit count on the site was way up today?

*snicker*

After "THAT" chapter yesterday Louise I cant say I,m surprised!!! :o :o :o :o I,m still on the floor in a puddle btw. phew!! :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 28, 2006, 09:06:42 am
ok you puddle people...

unfortunately work demands that I actually... work, today, and it's 3 p.m. and I'm still doing... WORK!  Outrageous!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 28, 2006, 09:50:04 am
THE CAT WHO ATE THE CREAM

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh12.jpg)

Mmmm. Such a tasty snack!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 28, 2006, 10:50:40 am
Quote from: louisev on September 28, 2006, 09:06:42 am
ok you puddle people...

unfortunately work demands that I actually... work, today, and it's 3 p.m. and I'm still doing... WORK!  Outrageous!

But, but,but, thats TERRIBLE!!! :o :o :o Cant you take a sicky or something? Our boys are FAR more important than WORK!!!  How dare these people expect you to work!! tsk tsk tsk. *Slinks off to the corner and sulks with June*  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 28, 2006, 11:05:28 am
Quote from: souxi on September 28, 2006, 10:50:40 am
*Slinks off to the corner and sulks with June*  ;) ;)
Who has only just recovered........ ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 28, 2006, 11:08:25 am
hey, there is good news though.

Next tuesday is Unification day, so I get that day off.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 28, 2006, 11:41:35 am
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


heheheheheheeheheheheheheehe!!!!!

This morning certainly has been entertaining--both on this thread, and LJ!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 28, 2006, 11:45:24 am
Quote from: louisev on September 28, 2006, 11:08:25 am
hey, there is good news though.

Next tuesday is Unification day, so I get that day off.

Well thank the Lord for that!!! Make sure you unplug the phone and put a "do NOT disturb I,m busy with my boys" sign on your door. Then settle down and write PLENTY of sex....PLENTY. You know, the kind of stuff to turn us into puddles again. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 28, 2006, 01:36:03 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/123218.html  "Chapter 77:  Spoiled"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 28, 2006, 02:16:50 pm
The title of that chapter is very appropriate. I have a feeling the Junior is not being intentionally deceptive, but it is how she has learned to cope and in my view, it is not the best coping stategy. I hope Ennis realizes what is going on. I am sure Ellery does. I hope it does not become an issue between them.

Sigh...more family drama.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 28, 2006, 03:08:07 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/123412.html  "Chapter 78:  Preoccupied"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 28, 2006, 03:24:29 pm
Right and after all that excitement I,m off for the night lol. C ya tomorow people. Nite June, be good. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 28, 2006, 03:59:05 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 28, 2006, 11:08:25 am
hey, there is good news though.

Next tuesday is Unification day, so I get that day off.

That is very good news for us Ennis and Ellery fans Louise!

Unification Day - now whats that all about then?  Just an excuse for a day off? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 28, 2006, 04:22:42 pm
Unification Day is the day the Bundesrepublik Deutschland was reunited after being partitioned by the Allies after WWII, and West Germany and East Germany became a single country again.  A VERY BIG DAY for Germans.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 28, 2006, 04:52:15 pm
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on September 28, 2006, 03:08:07 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/123412.html  "Chapter 78:  Preoccupied"

Uh oh. Is Ellery scheming something? He just cajoled Ennis into staying and even got him drunk. That sudden change of topic was suspicious. Ennis is supposed to meet his daughters later that night, isn't he? and now he's drunk. It seemed to me Ellery sort of declared the war on Junior, or at least he's trying to avoid that Junior convinces her father to let her go to Laramie. Whatever Junior is trying to achieve, she's sure underestimating the power of Ellery's shit detector. Poor Ennis. I hope he finds a way to get everyone get along.

PS. I don't think Junior is a bad girl but she's making serious mistakes. She isn't thinking straight, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 28, 2006, 05:34:41 pm
He did?  It wasn't like he put his hand down Ennis's  pants or nothin.

now THAt would be cajoling!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 28, 2006, 09:05:15 pm
Hey, I'm back!

Mickey Mouse says howdy!

It was SO hot (not in a good way), but we had a good time.

Good to be home - I can catch up on the new chaps now, and see what I've been missing here.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 29, 2006, 04:15:29 am
Morning all. Mornin June. ;) ;) ;). Ok I,m nice and calm now lol. I,m sitting here with a nice cup of hot choccy. Now that the kids are at school it,s peaceful. So I can concentrate on the important things in life....our boys. *SIGH*  :P :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 04:42:03 am
Quote from: souxi on September 29, 2006, 04:15:29 am
Morning all. Mornin June. ;) ;) ;). Ok I,m nice and calm now lol. I,m sitting here with a nice cup of hot choccy. Now that the kids are at school it,s peaceful. So I can concentrate on the important things in life....our boys. *SIGH*  :P :P
Mornin, Souxi, and everybody else  :)

Phhew, I'm relieved you are calm, pleeeeeeeease stay that way  ;D You were freaking me out!!!!!!!! LOL!  ;D  ;D

Hmmm, dying for a new chapter Louise........... ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 04:42:55 am
as some of you may have heard discussed last night, there are a couple of scheduled chat events happening starting today (29 September and through this weekend I believe.)

It might be a good idea for those of us who are Fan-fic centered, to take up station in our designated FanFic room so as not to get in the way of other folks in the Chez Tremblay anniversary chat or the one-on-one Meet and Greets.

Just an idea... of course anyone can do whatever they like...!

And I get into work this morning and wouldn't you know it:  they want me to WORK!  Outrageous.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 04:45:57 am
Quote from: NavyVet on September 28, 2006, 09:05:15 pm
Hey, I'm back!

Mickey Mouse says howdy!

It was SO hot (not in a good way), but we had a good time.

Good to be home - I can catch up on the new chaps now, and see what I've been missing here.   :)
Good to see you back NavyVet and to hear you had a good time  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 04:49:38 am
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 04:42:55 am
as some of you may have heard discussed last night, there are a couple of scheduled chat events happening starting today (29 September and through this weekend I believe.)

It might be a good idea for those of us who are Fan-fic centered, to take up station in our designated FanFic room so as not to get in the way of other folks in the Chez Tremblay anniversary chat or the one-on-one Meet and Greets.

Just an idea... of course anyone can do whatever they like...!

And I get into work this morning and wouldn't you know it:  they want me to WORK!  Outrageous.
??? Which chatroom should I stay out of?? Can I still go to the one I always talk to you in??  ???  ::)  ???

OH WTF is this complete and utter nonsense about WORKING?!? Jeeeeeeeeeeeeez   ::)  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 04:52:12 am
to get to teh Fan Fiction chat room you click on the red lips as always, which brings you to the Main Chat room (Campfire.)  From there, you pull down the menu at the top and when you click on "Fan Fiction" you go to the Fan Fiction chat room.

the menu on the right tells you if anyone is in there already: just pull down until you see the drop down menu and it will show you who is in what room!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 06:38:57 am
Quote from: opinionista on September 28, 2006, 04:52:15 pm
SPOILERS

Uh oh. Is Ellery scheming something? He just cajoled Ennis into staying and even got him drunk. That sudden change of topic was suspicious. Ennis is supposed to meet his daughters later that night, isn't he? and now he's drunk. It seemed to me Ellery sort of declared the war on Junior, or at least he's trying to avoid that Junior convinces her father to let her go to Laramie. Whatever Junior is trying to achieve, she's sure underestimating the power of Ellery's shit detector. Poor Ennis. I hope he finds a way to get everyone get along.

PS. I don't think Junior is a bad girl but she's making serious mistakes. She isn't thinking straight, that's for sure.

Yeah - I've been kind of feeling that battle lines are being drawn here. I know that Junior is being a right little mare (another UK expression) but Ellery is cutting her no slack. I just hope that Ennis doesn't end up getting too caught in the cross-fire. To be honest I think that he's been dealing with Ellery's (justified) criticism of his girls with remarkable patience. I always imagined that Ennis would never stand for anyone saying anything negative about his beloved girls. This is obviously a testament to his feelings about his relationship with Ellery.

Now, will he go see the girls after getting drunk, or does Ellery have something more wicked in mind? ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 29, 2006, 07:04:55 am
Here is the boys' post masturbatory tostada meal for the gallery.

(http://www.ahora.ca/images/food_10.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 07:09:33 am
Oh, that looks soo deelicious Jo! All I'm having for lunch right now is a boring cheese sandwich  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 29, 2006, 07:38:04 am
Ellery's idea of afternoon TV:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/18051__mervgriffinshow_l.jpg)

Merv Griffin with Richard Pryor (I believe).

Ellery says, “Now here is somebody you should listen to, Ennis – Merv Griffin. I never know what the hell he is talkin about, but he always sounds sincere.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 29, 2006, 07:52:54 am
Hey, Ellery...look at these! TITS!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tits.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 08:01:44 am
RLMAO Leslie!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 08:11:49 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/123779.html  "Chapter 79:  Being Daddy"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on September 29, 2006, 09:18:22 am
Quote
post masturbatory tostada

LOL... there is just something about the way that sounds that makes me laugh  :laugh:

Good morning all! Though i think it may be afternoon for some of you...

glad there's a chapter up for me to read before I rush off to work!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 29, 2006, 10:31:57 am
Quote from: littleguitar on September 29, 2006, 09:18:22 am
LOL... there is just something about the way that sounds that makes me laugh  :laugh:

Good morning all! Though i think it may be afternoon for some of you...

glad there's a chapter up for me to read before I rush off to work!  :D

It's actually the middle of the night for me LG.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 10:53:29 am
well guys...

don't panic too soon... but it looks like my contract is either a) cancelled or b) under renegotiation.  Right now I am frantically emailing back and forth about where I will be and what I will be doing a month from now.

What does all this mean?

It means I am a bit distracted, and will be spending Sunday with my friend Jane strategizing on giving her my piano.  EEEEEEk.

The question is:  London, Amsterdam, New York city, Aachen, Munich... or some place else?  Isn't being a freelancer EXCITING?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 11:15:21 am
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 10:53:29 am
well guys...

don't panic too soon... but it looks like my contract is either a) cancelled or b) under renegotiation.  Right now I am frantically emailing back and forth about where I will be and what I will be doing a month from now.


Oh Louise - I hope that you're not stressed about having to find a new contract. Freelance work can be exciting, BUT, you lack the stability of a permanent position. Come to London! ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 11:57:49 am
Quote from: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 11:15:21 am
Oh Louise - I hope that you're not stressed about having to find a new contract. Freelance work can be exciting, BUT, you lack the stability of a permanent position. Come to London! ;D

Karen
No, come to Amsterdam!!  ;D  ;D

Aww, Louise, this must really be worrying  :( I can remember how happy and relieved you were to get your work permit/visa(?) extended!
*Hugs*  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on September 29, 2006, 12:40:59 pm
No - come to Zürich !

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 12:49:35 pm
London is as likely as anything since there is more work there than most places in Europe.  I really won't know much till after the German holiday next week.

In the meantime, *typity type type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 02:01:48 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/124135.html

And spoiler!!!!!





Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 29, 2006, 02:27:30 pm
Oh, this chapter made me laugh!

SPOILER

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“Air conditionin? How much did this thing cost?”

“With all the options... nine thousand five hundred.”

Ennis’s hand dropped off the gearshift before he put it in reverse. “Dollars?”

“No, magic beans Ennis, a course. It’s a luxury car.”


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/MagicBeansLogoBody.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 03:44:10 pm
SPOILER

Ahh... I liked that one. Ennis gets to explain Ellery's apparent toughness to Junior, Junior realises that she was being silly (at least I hope so) and Ellery shows that he still wants to help Junior.

I love the new car, especially with all the new fangled 'modern' gadgets, and Ennis's reaction to it!

Mmmm... a nice chapter to log on to on a Friday evening.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 03:47:11 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/124303.html  "Chapter 81: Breaking Away"

We're on the home stretch of this book, folkeses!

Just when you thought Junior angst and sprains and hospital visits weren't EVER going to end!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 03:52:43 pm
Yummy Louise - another chapter.

Off to read it now... skip... skip... skip...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 03:57:26 pm
I could almost sense the Junior angst getting ready to make everybody burst a blood vessel...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 29, 2006, 04:17:27 pm
SPOILER................


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I think Ellery will LOVE that car even more than he ever loved his El Camino--I think it is a perfect solution,  I knew he had a plan!!  He may be ticked at her actions, but he likes Jr, and her acceptance of them together--I didn't think he would just write her off cause she is young, and making some mistakes.  Excellent!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 04:19:04 pm
it is hard to get a perspective of the dynamic of an entire day or an entire week reading a story chapter by chapter... but I can't see any of you HOLDING OFF just so you can read a week's worth of chapters at a time... can you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 29, 2006, 04:23:10 pm
LOL
Holding for for a week's read at a time??????ROFLMAO!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You are kidding right????
or else you are out of your mind---hold off?? LOL  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

FUNNY FUNNY Louise!! ;D



besides then I get to go back and reread again all the good stuff and re catch up to where I am supposed to be NOW, on a daily basis of course. heheheheheheheehehehehehehe
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 04:31:13 pm
ok well I knew that one wasn't going to go over very well...

 ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 04:31:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 04:19:04 pm
it is hard to get a perspective of the dynamic of an entire day or an entire week reading a story chapter by chapter... but I can't see any of you HOLDING OFF just so you can read a week's worth of chapters at a time... can you?

Good Lord woman, are you mad! I refesh every few hours. Hope my boss doesn't decide to check my internet access logs. Could just imagine his face if he saw the content of I'm reading at lunchtime.  :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 04:49:53 pm
*cracks up laughing.*

Karen's Boss:


"Give me my SNACK?"  What the hell is this!  Get back to work!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 29, 2006, 04:51:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 03:57:26 pm
I could almost sense the Junior angst getting ready to make everybody burst a blood vessel...!

I sure felt that way! 

lol.
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on September 29, 2006, 04:52:50 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 04:19:04 pm
it is hard to get a perspective of the dynamic of an entire day or an entire week reading a story chapter by chapter... but I can't see any of you HOLDING OFF just so you can read a week's worth of chapters at a time... can you?

Louise - I think about this all the time - how hard it is to have perspective and other oddities associated with 'publishing' one chapter at a time... but you're right, as long as you post them one at a time... that's how I'll read them, as long as life, work, time, etc. allows.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 05:03:46 pm
Slightly OT, but The Outlaw Josey Wales has just started on the TV, and I'm havin a good old giggle to myself imaging Ennis's reaction. Or Ellery teasing him.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 05:07:50 pm
Clint Eastwood will never be the same!

And now for a brief pause, brought to you courtesy of the Albany County Sheriff's Department:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 05:22:22 pm
Caption for this one:

I developed a lot of muscles in these fingers in X-Men, and that comes in really handy in my upcoming film.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 05:22:43 pm
My word! Imagine coming home from a hard days work on the horse ranch to find that on your sofa.

Have to say, the London bobby doesn't really compare very favourably!

I feel a bit lightheaded.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 29, 2006, 05:23:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 05:07:50 pm
Clint Eastwood will never be the same!

And now for a brief pause, brought to you courtesy of the Albany County Sheriff's Department:

Louise, what a totally perfect picture.

That is Ellery!   :)

I want me an Ellery.   :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 05:24:18 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 29, 2006, 05:23:15 pm

I want me an Ellery.   :(

Amen to that Christie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 29, 2006, 05:24:28 pm
Quote from: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 04:31:57 pm
Good Lord woman, are you mad! I refesh every few hours. Hope my boss doesn't decide to check my internet access logs. Could just imagine his face if he saw the content of I'm reading at lunchtime.  :o

Tell me about Kazza....if my boss checked my internet access then I'd be out on my ear.  Thank god they dont have time sheets here.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 05:30:45 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 29, 2006, 05:24:28 pm
Tell me about Kazza....if my boss checked my internet access then I'd be out on my ear.  Thank god they dont have time sheets here.   ;D

Yeah but I'm the IT Helpdesk Manager. I really should be setting a better example! :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 05:34:30 pm
oh my Karen!  Oh MY!  Maybe you can just let your staff know discreetly that if they are reading E & E it is okay with you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 05:44:00 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 05:34:30 pm
oh my Karen!  Oh MY!  Maybe you can just let your staff know discreetly that if they are reading E & E it is okay with you!

Mmmmm.. wonder what their reaction would be if I revealed that I was into Brokeback Mountain slash fan fiction (with a particular weakness for well written steamy man on man hawt action)?

One for the next team meeting agenda methinks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 05:46:53 pm
You want to know something very wild, Karen?

I design software for helpdesks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 05:50:23 pm
Really??!! Wow. I bet what you design is heaps better than what we use. It's pants!

Are you allowed to tell me what product it is? I might know it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 05:51:16 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 29, 2006, 05:23:15 pm

I want me an Ellery.   :(
Me too, really badly  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 05:52:19 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 04:31:13 pm
ok well I knew that one wasn't going to go over very well...

 ::)
You got that right Louise!!  ::)  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 05:54:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 03:57:26 pm
I could almost sense the Junior angst getting ready to make everybody burst a blood vessel...!
I know it was almost killing Souxi!!  ;D

Where is that girl?? *looks around for Souxi*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 05:56:38 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 05:07:50 pm
Clint Eastwood will never be the same!

And now for a brief pause, brought to you courtesy of the Albany County Sheriff's Department:
*Le Sigh*
Beautiful pic  :)

Thanks Louise  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 06:19:17 pm
Quote from: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 05:50:23 pm
Really??!! Wow. I bet what you design is heaps better than what we use. It's pants!

Are you allowed to tell me what product it is? I might know it.


Remedy Action Requeest System, otherwise known as Remedy or ARS.  It is generally customized for individual corporations.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 29, 2006, 06:31:34 pm
Well I have edited course materials for helpdesk staff!

Here's Ellery looking soulful and vulnerable - just as we like him.


(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh9.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 06:42:15 pm
Yes, a late night update!  Blame the coffee for the fancy parts!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/124598.html  "Chapter 82:  Honeymoon"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 06:45:18 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 06:19:17 pm
Remedy Action Requeest System, otherwise known as Remedy or ARS.  It is generally customized for individual corporations.

I have indeed heard of Remedy. It's one of the market leaders. Are you looking to stay in the same arena if you have to look for a new contract?

Quote from: magicmountain on September 29, 2006, 06:31:34 pm
Well I have edited course materials for helpdesk staff!

'Tis a veritable Helpdesk frenzy!

Thanks for the pic mmm... mmm... mmm...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 06:54:34 pm
Yes, it is my specialty, I have a special certification and 10 years' experience.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 06:57:38 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 06:42:15 pm
Yes, a late night update!  Blame the coffee for the fancy parts!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/124598.html  "Chapter 82:  Honeymoon"

Phew Louise!!! I was about to head to bed. Don't think I'll sleep after that!  ;)

I think that you need to set up an intravenous espresso drip if that is the effect that coffee has on you. Nicely tender scene, as well as being warm flush inducing.

G'night.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 29, 2006, 07:13:38 pm
I have discovered that Friday is the low fanfic day!

All the numbers are down for Friday, despite multiple updates.

                                        Today              Yesterday

Host connections:                300                  353
New host connections          140                  177
Hit Count (Pages viewed)     2675               2823


Looks like people have 'other things to do' on a Friday.  And Monday and Tuesday are "best" stats days!  go figure.

But I do have weekly totals:

Host connections:            2,302

(Unique hosts)                 1,333

Hit Count:                      19592

This is for the first "full week" of stats.  Absolutely astounding... I guess there are some readers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 29, 2006, 08:36:04 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on September 29, 2006, 06:31:34 pm
Well I have edited course materials for helpdesk staff!

Here's Ellery looking soulful and vulnerable - just as we like him.


(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh9.jpg)
                                                                                                                                         WOW;  THAT IS SO POWERFUL .   it is the perfect picture of poor ellery in the long way home.                                                   thanks for this.  janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 29, 2006, 10:13:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 05:07:50 pm
Clint Eastwood will never be the same!

And now for a brief pause, brought to you courtesy of the Albany County Sheriff's Department:
                                                                                                                                                  **SIGH**  omgoodness,  falls on the floor...andicantgetup.                                                                    janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 29, 2006, 10:45:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 05:22:22 pm
Caption for this one:

I developed a lot of muscles in these fingers in X-Men, and that comes in really handy in my upcoming film.

LOL!  Louise, will you do some new captions at the photo captioning thread?  I miss your captions.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 29, 2006, 11:33:00 pm
4 chapters in one day and we are up to chapter 82.  Louise, do you plan to conclude The Long Way Home over this weekend?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 30, 2006, 01:46:19 am
(http://www.startpagina.be/page/link_icons/icon_16614.C.%20The%20Flying%20Dildo%60s%201.jpg)

THE RETURN OF THE BLACK DILDO!


Faster than a speeding bullet
More powerful than a locomotive
Able to leap tall buildings in a mighty bound
Able to dive deep underground!

Look up into the sky! It’s a bird! It’s a plane!

It’s the Black Dildo!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 30, 2006, 02:36:29 am
Quote from: Bigheart on September 29, 2006, 05:54:48 pm
I know it was almost killing Souxi!!  ;D

Where is that girl?? *looks around for Souxi*

Cooooeeeee June here I am lol. I had so much RL last night I didnt even get a chance to say goodnight!!  :'( THEN I had to do that job I told you that I do in my less sane moments lol. Jesus H, fancy wanting me to work!! I,ts not as if I get paid for it either lol. Well louise I cant wait for the rest of that chapter...wooooweeeeee!! :o :o What a surprise to find first thing in the morning lol. Reading about dildos at 7.30 am is NOT something I normally do lol. But we arnt complaing, are we June? lol. Right, I need some more choccy after that. Cya later peeps for some more, errr, "action" lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 30, 2006, 02:44:27 am
Hey people. There's a job going at the Laramie Sheriff's Dept.

http://www.laramiecounty.com/departments/sheriff/opportunity.asp
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 30, 2006, 03:52:37 am
One of our boys toys.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 30, 2006, 04:45:41 am
Quote from: magicmountain on September 30, 2006, 01:46:19 am
(http://www.startpagina.be/page/link_icons/icon_16614.C.%20The%20Flying%20Dildo%60s%201.jpg)

THE RETURN OF THE BLACK DILDO!


Faster than a speeding bullet
More powerful than a locomotive
Able to leap tall buildings in a mighty bound
Able to dive deep underground!

Look up into the sky! It’s a bird! It’s a plane!

It’s the Black Dildo!
OH Jo!!
This is so GOOD!

 :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 30, 2006, 04:57:10 am
Quote from: souxi on September 30, 2006, 03:52:37 am
One of our boys toys.  ;) ;)
Yummy!!!   :o  :o  :-X

 ;D  ;D  ;D

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 30, 2006, 05:03:32 am
Quote from: souxi on September 30, 2006, 02:36:29 am
Cooooeeeee June here I am lol. I had so much RL last night I didnt even get a chance to say goodnight!!  :'( THEN I had to do that job I told you that I do in my less sane moments lol. Jesus H, fancy wanting me to work!! I,ts not as if I get paid for it either lol. Well louise I cant wait for the rest of that chapter...wooooweeeeee!! :o :o What a surprise to find first thing in the morning lol. Reading about dildos at 7.30 am is NOT something I normally do lol. But we arnt complaing, are we June? lol. Right, I need some more choccy after that. Cya later peeps for some more, errr, "action" lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D
Well, reading about big black dildo's at 1 in the morning, just before bed, is a REALLY BAD idea too!!!  ;)
I can't wait either  ;D
Will be out again most of the afternoon, hope there will be lots of updates when I get back!!!!! *smiles at Louise*
 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 05:59:46 am
Quote from: yb on September 29, 2006, 11:33:00 pm
4 chapters in one day and we are up to chapter 82.  Louise, do you plan to conclude The Long Way Home over this weekend?

That appears to be my plan, yes.  It depends upon how much I get done today, since tomorrow I am going to a Mahler concert early in the morning and won't be home till evening, and I have to divide my time with resume-flogging.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 06:28:03 am
I am in chat today, doing resumes and stuff right now, and today is the chat day anniversary for Chez Tremblay. If you're online and want to gab, here I am!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 30, 2006, 08:35:53 am
Louise, good luck with your job search.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on September 30, 2006, 09:37:35 am
Quote from: louisev on September 30, 2006, 05:59:46 am
That appears to be my plan, yes.  It depends upon how much I get done today, since tomorrow I am going to a Mahler concert early in the morning and won't be home till evening, and I have to divide my time with resume-flogging.

Oooo, Mahler - that sounds so cool and fun!

Good luck with the job thing.  Sounds stressful!  Working is one stress I sure don't miss.

Big hugs
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 30, 2006, 09:48:20 am
Quote from: souxi on September 30, 2006, 03:52:37 am
One of our boys toys.  ;) ;)

Oh my.  Thanks for that souxi.....no wonder Ennis and Ellery get all excited when they get that out of the bag!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 30, 2006, 09:50:24 am
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 06:42:15 pm
Yes, a late night update!  Blame the coffee for the fancy parts!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/124598.html  "Chapter 82:  Honeymoon"

Yummy.  That was totally delicious.  I'm treating that as my starter, and hope we get the main course and dessert soon!

Louise, I love your descriptions of Ennis' love and burning desire for Ellery, it's so hot and romantic.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 10:02:04 am
okay, so here is the main course!

 http://louisev.livejournal.com/124802.html  "Chapter 83: More"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on September 30, 2006, 10:03:22 am
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 07:13:38 pm
I have discovered that Friday is the low fanfic day!

All the numbers are down for Friday, despite multiple updates.

Looks like people have 'other things to do' on a Friday.  And Monday and Tuesday are "best" stats days!  go figure.


Hi Louise - first of all I'd like to say well done on such a great readership!!  I think it really shows how enjoyable and highly thought of your story is. :D

On another note, I noticed that the forums over on Dave Cullen are very quiet at the moment and the slash thread is being manned by a "skeleton crew" as a lot of members seem to be out of town for an event so I don't know if that is perhaps having an impact on your hits for this weekend?  It might be worth keeping a record over a month or give yourself a more accurate picture.  My husband also has the theory that people wait until they go to work and catch up on Mondays and Tuesdays so that might be another factor.

Anyway, enough of me with my stats crunching hat on (I have a pile of data sitting right here that I have to analyse for Friday - lol!) and best of luck with the job search :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 10:22:10 am
Yes, I thought about that too, merrobot.  I still read the DC fan fiction thread, and you may have a point.

Ah well, there are a whole lot more readers than I had even suspected in my wildest dreams, and that was my main reason for putting on a stats counter.  I also was curious as to how frequently and whether people were reading the first book, and there is a steady trickle each day!  So that has been fascinating to watch!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 30, 2006, 10:31:17 am
Louise, this is a picture of me..how I look at the moment, after just reading that new chapter.  :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 10:44:34 am
you've got to pull yourself together!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 30, 2006, 10:52:16 am
Morning all!
I can't actually believe I am awake before 9am on a Saturday ..  :o

MagicM ~  good work on the poems, be they on liver or a black dildo ..   ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 30, 2006, 11:22:30 am
Quote from: louisev on September 30, 2006, 10:44:34 am
you've got to pull yourself together!

pffftttt!! Thats easy for you to say, you arnt the one who sat here having a HOT flush, ALL over, hyperventilating!!! Wait till June reads it!! :o :o :o :o Jesus woman lol. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 30, 2006, 11:42:43 am
I never say no to some ..umm..visual stimulation ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/160b92ff.jpg)


One of my fave Heath pics..
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/43014371.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 30, 2006, 12:35:13 pm
I,m not very happy now. When I clicked on the arrows to forward onto "that" chapter, It appeared briefly then vanished. Now all I get is a blank page. I can view all the other pages but not the latest one. This has happened before. It,ll probably be ok by tomorow, but I dont understand why it,s doing it atall. Even if I click on the link you provide Louise, it,s the same..blank page. Wish I,d saved it to my pc first now.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 12:35:48 pm
The final chapter of "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/125115.html  "Chapter 84: Engaged"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 12:38:28 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 30, 2006, 12:35:13 pm
I,m not very happy now. When I clicked on the arrows to forward onto "that" chapter, It appeared briefly then vanished. Now all I get is a blank page. I can view all the other pages but not the latest one. This has happened before. It,ll probably be ok by tomorow, but I dont understand why it,s doing it atall. Even if I click on the link you provide Louise, it,s the same..blank page. Wish I,d saved it to my pc first now.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

I dont understand:  which chapter, 82 or 83?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 30, 2006, 12:47:22 pm
Well at least I just managed to save the last chapter before the same thing happened. Dunno whats up with the other one though, still cant see it.  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 30, 2006, 12:55:05 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 30, 2006, 12:38:28 pm
I dont understand:  which chapter, 82 or 83?

83.  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ballymay on September 30, 2006, 01:32:24 pm
Souxi, I thought chapter 83 was missing too, just scroll down, it's there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 02:11:44 pm
welcome, TH!

Did you read the ENTIRE saga in a week?  If so I think you set a record!  Today I just finished writing "The Long Way Home", and am already feeling the pangs of guilt about setting an end point to the Laramie Saga.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on September 30, 2006, 02:25:19 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 30, 2006, 02:11:44 pm
welcome, TH!

Did you read the ENTIRE saga in a week?  If so I think you set a record!  Today I just finished writing "The Long Way Home", and am already feeling the pangs of guilt about setting an end point to the Laramie Saga.

Pang of guilt? Just let it flow! Get on with book vi whenever you're ready, and then decide what to do.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on September 30, 2006, 02:44:07 pm
NOW Louise, when you start the next book, whenever you can, are we going to hear more about this mysterious "token" that Ellery speaks of??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Monica on September 30, 2006, 02:54:29 pm
I just wanted to say I am sad to see book 5 end  :(
but I am happy there will be a book 6-The Red Stallion   ;D


SPOILERS


I liked Ennis and Ellery's trip to Brokeback, to the Honeymoon suite, and of course back to Riverton.  Ennis and Ellery have certainly been on a journey.  Relieved Worrell confessed, and we found some closure for Jack.   And I liked the time Ennis spent with his daughters.  It is one thing for him to come to term with his sexuality in the privacy of his and Ellery's bedroom.  It is another to come out and live with Ellery among his family.  Small steps, but Ennis is getting there. 

I loved the way book 5 ended with their engagement.  They opened about their feelings for each other, making promises and commitments.  Wonder what Ellery will get Ennis for their commitment?
“I think I understand that now, Ennis. I guess that is why I could go up ta Brokeback an see you puttin flowers on Jack’s grave, knowin you ain’t never gonna forget, an you won’t stop goin there ta visit. Cause yer loyal. Bout time I found a loyal man.”
“I said I belonged ta you an I mean it. No goin back,” Ennis said, cheeks burning red.
“An I mean it too.”
I also love Ennis's loyalty and to both Jack and Ellery. 

Looking forward to Book 6, sounds interesting.  I like the characters there, Lauren, Pete (with no spleen), Wayne, and Dupree (maybe now we will Dupree settle down with someone, hum).    And I wonder if Ennis’s girls will find there way down to Laramie after all.  And of course hoping for more Ennis and Ellery!

Thank you Louise, it has been so much fun to read!

Tara
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 02:57:13 pm
yup, yup. I promise.

Also, let me just clarify, since it sounds like I was a little misleading in my Afterword there, Book VI will be a Laramie Saga book just like the other ones.  However, it is not on the same "story arc", so to speak, as the previous five books.  It is still about Ennis and Ellery, but it is also about Lauren and Simon, Wayne and Pete, Sally and Ben, and maybe a little Junior goodness thrown in as well, and of course, our one and only beloved DUPREE and his new love interest, as well as the featured drunks from the big drunken crash in "Long Way Home."  As well as guest appearances from the Sheriff's Department and a lot more doughboys!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on September 30, 2006, 03:17:17 pm
Thanks for the pm Louise. I can see it now. I just had to scroll halfway down the page for some reason. Lovely chapter..getting engaged. *SIGH*. Looking forward to finding out about Duprees new love interest! Wheres June btw? Havnt seen her all day. :'( Hope she,s not letting RL get in the way of the important stuff lol. ;) ;)
Anyway, nite all, and thanks Louise for those two lovely chapters. Nite June. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on September 30, 2006, 03:20:52 pm
I got some catching up to do before the next book ... few chapters behind!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 30, 2006, 04:06:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 30, 2006, 02:57:13 pm
yup, yup. I promise.

Also, let me just clarify, since it sounds like I was a little misleading in my Afterword there, Book VI will be a Laramie Saga book just like the other ones.  However, it is not on the same "story arc", so to speak, as the previous five books.  It is still about Ennis and Ellery, but it is also about Lauren and Simon, Wayne and Pete, Sally and Ben, and maybe a little Junior goodness thrown in as well, and of course, our one and only beloved DUPREE and his new love interest, as well as the featured drunks from the big drunken crash in "Long Way Home."  As well as guest appearances from the Sheriff's Department and a lot more doughboys!
OH *excited squeeee* I'm SO looking forward to book VI!!!!!
Especially to the lovely Dupree  ;D *winks at Souxi* LOL!! And the Sheriff's Departement guys. I loved the police station chaps as well  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 30, 2006, 04:10:43 pm
Quote from: souxi on September 30, 2006, 03:17:17 pm
Thanks for the pm Louise. I can see it now. I just had to scroll halfway down the page for some reason. Lovely chapter..getting engaged. *SIGH*. Looking forward to finding out about Duprees new love interest! Wheres June btw? Havnt seen her all day. :'( Hope she,s not letting RL get in the way of the important stuff lol. ;) ;)
Anyway, nite all, and thanks Louise for those two lovely chapters. Nite June. ;) ;)
Hi Souxi!
I just got in, it's my brothers b-day today, so yeah, I did let RL get in the way  ;D But is was very enjoyable this time  :) SO, I have 2 new chaps to go and read? SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE  ;D  ;D
Nite Souxi  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 30, 2006, 04:13:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 30, 2006, 02:11:44 pm
welcome, TH!

Did you read the ENTIRE saga in a week?  If so I think you set a record!  Today I just finished writing "The Long Way Home", and am already feeling the pangs of guilt about setting an end point to the Laramie Saga.

Dont feel guilty about the fact that an end has been set for LS.  This has been a very very long story!  Long in a good way though.  I am saying this now, not having got to the end (obviously, as it hasnt even started yet!) - I may feel completely differently by then!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 30, 2006, 04:16:37 pm
Remember Star Trek 3: "The wrath of Khan" ?


CHAPTER SIX:   "The wrath of Alma".     LOL

other unwarranted predictions?

Dupree wakes up hung over in the bar after a group of Marines came in the night before.   He later discovers a new tatoo on his fanny.

Alma Jr.  hitch hikes to Laramie and gets a temp job as a secretary.  She is assigned to the Sheriffs Dept!

Curt goes on a shooting spree at a Riverton florists convention shouting out ramblings about gay cowboys.   No one is injured as he is a bad shot.   He is severly beaten with carnations and pushed out into the street covered in flowers.  Towns people now shun him.

Francine sells Amway and Mary Kay products from Alma jrs old house. 

Alma Sr. joins the Anti-gay cause with Florida orange juice spokesperson Anita Bryant.

Wes and Edna form Laramies first PFLAG organization.   

Ennis wakes up Christmas morning to find a shiny new 1985 Ford F-350 dual axle pickup truck in the driveway with a big red bow on the roof.   

plus much much more!

Stay tuned, same BBM time, same BBM channel!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 30, 2006, 04:17:46 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 30, 2006, 02:57:13 pm
yup, yup. I promise.

Also, let me just clarify, since it sounds like I was a little misleading in my Afterword there, Book VI will be a Laramie Saga book just like the other ones.  However, it is not on the same "story arc", so to speak, as the previous five books.  It is still about Ennis and Ellery, but it is also about Lauren and Simon, Wayne and Pete, Sally and Ben, and maybe a little Junior goodness thrown in as well, and of course, our one and only beloved DUPREE and his new love interest, as well as the featured drunks from the big drunken crash in "Long Way Home."  As well as guest appearances from the Sheriff's Department and a lot more doughboys!

Do you mean that some chapters will be just about say, Lauren and Simon and Sally and Ben, and not about Ennis and Ellery at all?  I love all the supporting characters of your story Louise, but its Ennis and Ellery I love above all else.  I hope I dont sound like I'm not looking forward to "The Red Stallion" - I am most definitely - I just want lots of Ennis and Ellery loving.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on September 30, 2006, 04:22:36 pm
Quote from: Monica on September 30, 2006, 02:54:29 pm
I just wanted to say I am sad to see book 5 end  :(
but I am happy there will be a book 6-The Red Stallion   ;D


Looking forward to Book 6, sounds interesting.  I like the characters there, Lauren, Pete (with no spleen), Wayne, and Dupree (maybe now we will Dupree settle down with someone, hum).    And I wonder if Ennis’s girls will find there way down to Laramie after all.  And of course hoping for more Ennis and Ellery!

Thank you Louise, it has been so much fun to read!

Tara

I totally agree Monica, it has been a complete pleasure to read.  I almost feel jealous of those people who havent read it yet!  What a joy they have in store!

SPOILERS

I really felt emotional reading it, honestly, I just felt all mushy and so happy for Ennis and Ellery.  For Ellery, having the heart to tell Ennis about his feelings about Jack and Brokeback and how he knows that they mean so much to Ennis.  It made me feel a little sad too.  For Ennis, having the courage to tell Ellery that he is a loyal man and he loves Ellery and that he's happy to accept a token of his love. 

It was a beautiful way to end the book.   Thank you Louise - I feel so privileged to have discovered this story and your writing.  Its been a complete joy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 04:41:40 pm
Quote from: christie wood on September 30, 2006, 04:17:46 pm
Do you mean that some chapters will be just about say, Lauren and Simon and Sally and Ben, and not about Ennis and Ellery at all?  I love all the supporting characters of your story Louise, but its Ennis and Ellery I love above all else.  I hope I dont sound like I'm not looking forward to "The Red Stallion" - I am most definitely - I just want lots of Ennis and Ellery loving.   :)

I am not sure I am going to get into lengthy changes in point of view, no.  Ennis and Ellery will still be the main focus.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on September 30, 2006, 04:43:01 pm
Quote from: TH on September 30, 2006, 04:25:47 pm
>>Curt goes on a shooting spree at a Riverton florists convention shouting out ramblings about gay cowboys.   No one is injured as he is a bad shot.   He is severly beaten with carnations and pushed out into the street covered in flowers.  Towns people now shun him.<<

  Hmmm  Curt laying on the street covered in flowers after screaming about gay cowboys...  Hmmm  "The lady protests too much!"

  ......Curt is then arrested by local Police for disturbing the peace and littering.   While in Jail he becomes the prison bride of a large man named Gabe.  Gabe calls him "Daisey-Mae".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 05:06:39 pm
A new reader of the Laramie Saga, Brach Anders, gave me permission to copy his comments on Brokeback Mountain, Story (both versions) and Film, with regard to a discrepancy in the story that was found in the film.  He points out an important discrepancy in "The Long Way Home", where Jack's birth should be 1943.  But he also shows that my "revised" timeline, which disagrees with Annie Proulx's short story, is actually in line with the "corrected" timeline, in which the last meeting between Ennis and Jack had to have occurred in 1982.  VERY INTERESTING STUFF!!


(1) In your "Taking Chances" Ennis marked Jack's dates 1944-1982, which would make Jack 38 at the time of his death. However, Lureen told Ennis "he was only thirty-nine years old."
 
We can derive the correct years of Jack's birth and death from the BBM written story.
 
We are told that Alma Jr. was born September 1964. Jack's boy must have been born October 1966 because on June 24, 1967 Jack said his boy was 8 mos. old.
 
We are told that Jack and Ennis's last trip occured in May and that Alma Jr. was 17, Jack's boy 15. For those ages to be consistent with the birthdates, the last trip must have occured May 1982.  (The story incorrectly gives May 1983 as the date of the last trip. We might also want to change "Count the damn few times we been together in twenty years" to "Count the damn few times we been together in nearly twenty years."  The BBM script writers caught the inconsistency.)
 
Jack must have died sometime between May 1982, the date of the last trip, and November 1982, the date proposed for the next trip. When Jack and Ennis met in June 1963, "neither of them was twenty", which I take to mean Jack was 19 in June 1963, which would have made Jack 38 in June 1982. So Jack must have turned 39 sometime between June 1982 and November 1982.
 
Therefore, Jack must have be born sometime between June 1943 and November 1943 and died at age 39 sometime between June 1982 and November 1982.
 
(2) According to the omniscient narrator, Jack's death was accidental: "Ennis didn't know about the accident for months until his postcard to Jack saying that November still looked like the first chance came back stamped DECEASED." Ennis "didn't know which way it was, the tire iron or a real accident." But WE know it was a real accident.
 
(3) Annie Proulx's Close Range collection of short stories includes "Pair of Spurs", a story about a rancher, Car Scrope, who owns the Coffeepot ranch southeast of Signal.

The original version of "Brokeback Mountain", published in The New Yorker, has Ennis working in Signal for Car Scrope's cow-and-calf outfit known as the Coffeepot. But the version of "Brokeback Mountain" that was later published in the Close Range collection has Ennis working in Signal for Stoutamire's cow-and-calf outfit.
 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 30, 2006, 05:18:25 pm
I started this thread on June 24. It seems like a lifetime ago! LOL. Now, 3 months, 475 pages, 4750 posts, and 5 finished books later (I started this thread when the third book was in its early chapters), here we are...Ennis and Ellery are truly committed to each other, we've been through murder, kidnapping, injury, the vacation from hell (which had a happy ending), lots of angst, plus day to day life, love, work, and friends. We have had a culinary exploration that has ranged from beans and franks cooked in the radarrange (yes, I stumbled across that in a very early chapter just yesterday) to ....sardine sandwiches. 'Nuff said about that!

Out in the real world there have been new readers coming on board daily and joining us here at Bettermost to discuss the story. Just as Brokeback created communities that no one expected, so has this story. I had the privilege to meet Louise in London in August and believe I have made a very special friend.

I am looking forward to the sixth book but feeling a little nostalgic with the ending of the fifth. I actually feel like it is a perfect ending...I can picture them there, in honeymoon cottage, the autumn sun coming through the window (which it is doing here in Maine).

I thought of sending our author some flowers as a thank you, but decided that maybe this was more appropriate....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/fall-foliage-screenshot2.jpg)

Thanks, Louise.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 30, 2006, 05:22:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 30, 2006, 05:06:39 pm

We are told that Alma Jr. was born September 1964. Jack's boy must have been born October 1966 because on June 24, 1967 Jack said his boy was 8 mos. old.
 

How very interesting that I started this thread on June 24...and that was not intentional!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on September 30, 2006, 05:28:50 pm
Aww, Leslie, that's so beautiful and such lovely words  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on September 30, 2006, 05:39:05 pm
*blush* *awwwww*  *shucks**

*Just don't make me give a speech okay?*

And for you statistics hounds:  after a slow morning, the chapter 83, "More" with its infamous masturbation scene, hit a record-breaking 137 page views today so far!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on September 30, 2006, 06:35:17 pm
Neatfreak...

Maybe we are ready for an update of the "who is here" list? I think we have a few new readers who have joined us...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on September 30, 2006, 08:27:11 pm
Quote from: TH on September 30, 2006, 03:50:54 pm

You're right... about the hope thing...  I saw Annie's novel ending in hope... as the 'open space' between what Ennis knew, in the real world - that Jack was dead, and what he tried to believe... that Jack was present with him somehow in dreams.. was the same dilemma that he had been in before with 'open space' between where he was and where he sensed he needed to be.  ...I think with the closing of the book.. (not the movie)... Annie gave us hope that in the larger picture.. the spiritual dimension.. a lot gets resolved for all of us... that those who have passed on... are still present in our lives and are still lovin us and trying to give us good and clear guidance... 

In the saga you wrote... there were threads of that... and it would be entirely reasonable for me to assume that Jack had a large hand in the add being placed for the Red Stallion and Ennis' leaving the ranch and then bottoming out in loneliness and boredom... before getting moving and starting to seek things out... 

I see this as the story of a man's journey to discover his authentic self and to find the courage to walk in that self... 
I was captivated by your Laramie Saga because I heard that the challenge of life had been accepted... and that Ennis, who was started in life a couple of quarts down to say the least... accepted his limitations, acknowledged them... and then began to move.

 I suspect that Ennis, in your saga... began the quest to find Jack.... and his own way to honour Jack for all that he, Jack, gave him...  In doing so, I suspect that Jack was able to stear him to life and love... 

   

Thanks TH for your in-depth appreciation (which I have taken the liberty of condensing down) of the significance of the Laramie Saga. I have always suspected that on one level Jack symbolised the suppressed  part of Ennis - not only in terms of sexuality but in terms of the ability to show love, courage, faith and the joy of living. I believe that Ennis did set out on a journey to discover Jack -  and he found him within himself.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on September 30, 2006, 08:34:39 pm
A lovely post #4750 by Leslie, truly, a heartfelt thankyou to Louise.

I didn't expect The Long Way Home to end on chapter 84, I thought we'd have a few more chapters.  But it is a beautiful chapter, I'm so glad Ennis and Ellery talked things out, I got emotional when Ellery talked about his fears of Ennis might not come back whenever he went to Brokeback and Ennis's declaration.  There's a tranquility at the end of the chapter that is fitting to end this turmoil vacation.  I'm curious what is the token that Ellery has in mind. I'm thinking of a pendant, it's something you wear it close to heart and you don't have to take it down when working to protect it from scratches.

I am anxiously waiting for 'The Red Stallion'.  But take your time, Louise, you deserve a rest if you needed, really, you have spoiled us with at least 2 chapters everyday so we can wait a bit, but if you start it rightaway, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on September 30, 2006, 09:52:53 pm
Quote from: TH on September 30, 2006, 03:50:54 pm
   I think the tag line for the movie was that love is a force of nature...  I don't believe that.. only in that it grossly understates the matter...  Love is the driving dynamic of the eternal now... and it reaches into our lives in so many ways calling us to our destiny...


Oh, oh, oh!

In so many beautiful ways you have captured my own thoughts and feelings about Brokeback Mountain and the Laramie Saga.

You have also expressed as well as I've ever seen it a picture of what I believe about this world and the world to come. Love is the heart of the matter and the ultimate power in all the worlds.

Ours is a planet of crosses and graves... So beautifully said, and so beautifully symbolized in the incomparable work of art known as Brokeback Mountain.

What you said about sex and love between Ennis and Ellery also beautifully captures my feelings in words. They rarely just have sex; they frequently make love.

I could go on and on, just let me say:

Thank you for your thoughts and for the words with which you shared them with us.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 01, 2006, 03:00:25 am
Quote from: christie wood on September 30, 2006, 04:17:46 pm
Do you mean that some chapters will be just about say, Lauren and Simon and Sally and Ben, and not about Ennis and Ellery at all?  I love all the supporting characters of your story Louise, but its Ennis and Ellery I love above all else.  I hope I dont sound like I'm not looking forward to "The Red Stallion" - I am most definitely - I just want lots of Ennis and Ellery loving.   :)

Morning all, mornin fellow Brits, mornin June. ;) ;)
Christie lets not forget one very important thing to look forward too in book 6....

QUOTE:
And for those of you wondering if the Saga is going to end... I am presently seriously considering a Book VI, which I am going to title "The Red Stallion", which will take place after the boys' vacation and revolve around life at the Red Stallion, its denizens and social life as Ennis and Ellery solemnize their relationship with a personal commitment ceremony to one another.QUOTE:


I cant WAIT for that to happen. I bet there will be a few tears then. I,m looking forward to finding out a bit more about Mr mysterious Dupree and his "love interest", that should be fun. Wayne and Pete with no spleen lol, Sally and Ben, but you know what? After book 6 finishes, you know what that means?? NO more updates!! :o :o :o :o OMG what on earth will we do then? Read it all again of course lol. Louise have you ever considered having LS published as a fanzine? I,ve recently bough SN by Jenna and it would be so lovely if you did the same. Leslie that picture is breathtaking. What beautifull scenery. Right off for some RL, :( c ya later peeps. xx
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 01, 2006, 08:56:42 am
Hi there, jut logged on after busy weekend to read the final chapters of The Way Home. Feel all warm and fuzzy now. It been quite a ride (no pun intended). I like the jouney the boys have taken. Even though the trip to Brokeback was very painful, I think that they needed it in order to clear up certain issues.

Like other readers I'm excited about the impending sequel - but - also sad that it will be the last in the saga. Will have to read it again from he beginning after that.

Thank you Louise for creating something so wonderful for us to enjoy.

Following on from Souxi's mention of a Fanzine I have a perhaps naive question about them. I've seen the disclaimer that writers put at the beginning of their work stating that the characters are Annie Proux's and that no profit is being made from the use of her characters. However, if a fanzine is published, and money is paid for them (even if only to cover production costs) does this not contravene some sort of copyright law?

I'm relatively new to the world of fan fiction, so please excuse me if my question is stupid.

Right, of to re-read those last few chapters *sigh*  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 09:24:48 am
Kazza,

I don't think your question is stupid at all.

Back in the early days of slash and fanfic, people published fanzines because that is how the stories were distributed. Then the Internet came along and the distribution scheme changed. Suddenly, many more people had access and the whole genre, as a result, has become much more well known.

Copyright law in the US is confusing, to say the least (disclaimer: I do not pretend to be an expert on this!). Probably what Jenna did with SN, or me, for that matter (I had copies of my story (A Love Born From Steel) photocopied and bound to give to friends at the New England gathering last weekend) is a violation of copyright. However, for anything to happen, someone would need to bring a complaint. I sort of doubt that with my 20 little copies of ALBFS floating around out there, any of the friends I gave them to are going to call the copyright police. Still, there is that possibility.

In my experience, the situation I am more familiar with is when a person is giving a presentation at a conference. In the powerpoint, they have a copyrighted cartoon. Someone in the audience of 1000 sees the cartoon, doubts that permission has been obtained, and contacts the copyright holder, who in turn, contacts the violator (in this case, the speaker). Even then, it is relatively minor: usually a royalty is paid, and perhaps a fine, and a promise is made not to do it again.

There are a number of authors (Anne Rice, eg) who have asked that their stories not be used as a basis for fanfiction or slash. Do these people have staff members monitoring fanfiction.net, LiveJournal, and other sites for possible copyright violations? I have no idea.

The other thing that is happening is that where people used to pounce on things, they are becoming less accusatory, realizing that some of these ventures may actually be good publicity. There was a piece on the news recently about NBC and Youtube. Their policy used to be to immediately identify instances of copyright violation (using film that was the property of NBC) and demand that it be removed. They have tempered that stance, somewhat, realizing that many thousands (millions?) of people may see the Youtube video, which is not necessarily a bad thing for NBC.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 01, 2006, 09:43:14 am
Leslie

Thank you so much for clearing that up for me.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 01, 2006, 03:51:21 pm
oh wow... I got online just now after returning from Darmstadt about 5 hours ago and find all of these goodies waiting for me!

Here is a goodie for you!


The Red Stallion begins:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/125667.html  "A Homecoming"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 01, 2006, 03:52:46 pm
Hello!

I just finished reading Chapter 1 of Book VI and I was inspired to do a pic of the boys.  So here it is!
I am sorry that Wayne is not in here .. I couldn't connect to Bettermost to get a pic of his saucy behind to add to the pic ..lol, so I'll be sure to add him to the next group photo ..  ;)

Just in case you dont know who is who..from L->R: 
Simon, Lauren, The Lads (duh!..lol), Lance and Dupree!   


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/ffa9c396.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 01, 2006, 03:56:35 pm
whoa!  niiiiiiice Lucise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 01, 2006, 03:59:30 pm
Wonderful! Just gorgeous Milli!! Ohhhhh, Lauren is soooooo cute *dreamy sigh* Not as cute as E and E, of course  ;) I remember the great pic of Wayne on the DC Slash Casting Couch. That one was perfect. Remember Louise?

It's great to be back!! Couldn't get in here for hours!!  ::)  >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 01, 2006, 04:24:34 pm
Lucise had a great one here for Wayne that I really liked.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 01, 2006, 04:34:04 pm
Chapter one was great Louisev!       That was a very realistic scene with the gossipy gang at the Red Stallion!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 01, 2006, 04:38:46 pm
Speaking of copyright violations etc.. I sure hope nobody sues me for using their pic in my fanart lol..
I figured since none of it is for sale of any kind .. I'd be fairly safe ... 8)

Agreed BigH .. I think Lauren is cute!  ;)  Not that I mind Lance or Dupree !
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on October 01, 2006, 04:44:56 pm
How nice - the "Red Stallion" has started already !

Know what, Louise ? I can see myself 20 years from now, logging into your LJ to check out the newest chapter of your newest E&E-saga...me and several thousands of other elderly females. This will be the "Eastenders" or "Crossroads" of fanfiction  ( don't know a thing about American TV, what are the longest running soaps in the US ?)


 ;D

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 01, 2006, 04:54:51 pm
Quote from: caramelle58 on October 01, 2006, 04:44:56 pm
This will be the "Eastenders" or "Crossroads" of fanfiction  ( don't know a thing about American TV, what are the longest running soaps in the US ?)

Caramelle

  "The Guiding Light"?      It has been on as long as I can remember.  ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 04:55:38 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 01, 2006, 04:38:46 pm
Speaking of copyright violations etc.. I sure hope nobody sues me for using their pic in my fanart lol..


Like I said it would be a matter of 1) someone finding the pic; 2) filing a complaint with the copyright holder; 3) the copyright holder following through; and 4) coming up with a resolution to the situation (usually financial). Since it is obvious you are not making money off your pictures, they would probably decide they could not make money off you and wouldn't bother. The copyright cases you hear about are the ones where susbtantial sums of money are involved. The copyright holders who tend to be aggressive in pursuing violations tend to be those with royalties, such as cartoonists, as that is how they make their money. As in the example I gave before, using a cartoon in a presentation. A royalty fee should be paid when permission is given.

Book authors get royalties when a book is sold. Using characters in a story is not necessarily depriving that author of income, if that makes sense. A fanfic story is not depriving that author a book sale, and in fact, the story might work to their advantage by generating interest in the original story.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 01, 2006, 04:56:34 pm
Quote from: caramelle58 on October 01, 2006, 04:44:56 pm
How nice - the "Red Stallion" has started already !

Know what, Louise ? I can see myself 20 years from now, logging into your LJ to check out the newest chapter of your newest E&E-saga...me and several thousands of other elderly females. This will be the "Eastenders" or "Crossroads" of fanfiction  ( don't know a thing about American TV, what are the longest running soaps in the US ?)


 ;D

Caramelle
Love that image, Caramelle  ;D I can see myself doing that too  ;D

As The World Turns, hasn't that been running since the 50's??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 04:57:48 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 01, 2006, 04:54:51 pm
  "The Guiding Light"?      It has been on as long as I can remember.  ???

The Days of Our Lives has also been on forever..."Like sand through the hour glass..."

The Edge of Night was an oldie. For years and years it was on at 4 pm (the edge of night, get it?). Then, in its waning days, they shifted it to 9 am. Of course, by that time, barely anyone remembered what the name meant, anyway. LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 01, 2006, 04:59:34 pm
Actually I have a far far better idea than my writing Laramie Saga stories into my dotage!

"The Red Stallion" is moving away from the story arc of the original story by Annie Proulx and entering the new life embarked on by Ennis and Ellery, and the interactions with a larger cast... my idea is that once I have completed "The Red Stallion", to open the universe up to other writers and fans, sort of a "fan fiction on fan fiction" event in which other writers can write "Red Stallion" chapters of their own, using their own visiting original characters as well as the originals.

now what do you folks think of that idea?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 05:01:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 01, 2006, 04:59:34 pm
Actually I have a far far better idea than my writing Laramie Saga stories into my dotage!

"The Red Stallion" is moving away from the story arc of the original story by Annie Proulx and entering the new life embarked on by Ennis and Ellery, and the interactions with a larger cast... my idea is that once I have completed "The Red Stallion", to open the universe up to other writers and fans, sort of a "fan fiction on fan fiction" event in which other writers can write "Red Stallion" chapters of their own, using their own visiting original characters as well as the originals.

now what do you folks think of that idea?

Well, I think it is a swell idea, myself....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 01, 2006, 05:08:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 01, 2006, 04:59:34 pm
Actually I have a far far better idea than my writing Laramie Saga stories into my dotage!

"The Red Stallion" is moving away from the story arc of the original story by Annie Proulx and entering the new life embarked on by Ennis and Ellery, and the interactions with a larger cast... my idea is that once I have completed "The Red Stallion", to open the universe up to other writers and fans, sort of a "fan fiction on fan fiction" event in which other writers can write "Red Stallion" chapters of their own, using their own visiting original characters as well as the originals.

now what do you folks think of that idea?
I absolutely love it Louise! I think it's very exciting. As long as they keep your OC's true to character  :) I'd hate to see an off base Wayne or Lauren or Dupree etc.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 01, 2006, 05:10:26 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 04:57:48 pm
The Days of Our Lives has also been on forever..."Like sand through the hour glass..."

The Edge of Night was an oldie. For years and years it was on at 4 pm (the edge of night, get it?). Then, in its waning days, they shifted it to 9 am. Of course, by that time, barely anyone remembered what the name meant, anyway. LOL

Leslie

say, I stopped watching "Edge of Night" in my second year of high school, let me see when was that... 1974.  When the evili woman doctor - Dorian somebody, who was taking care of Victor Lord cajoled him into marrying her, and then killed him with some horrible injection of something, and Victoria knew she had done it but couldnt prove it, and Dorian ended up inheriting much of the Lord fortune... or something.  I remember thinking to myself... someone better catch that chick.

oh WAIT!  That was "One Life to Live".  Which one was "Edge of Night"?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 05:18:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 01, 2006, 05:10:26 pm

oh WAIT!  That was "One Life to Live".  Which one was "Edge of Night"?

From IMDb:

In the fictional city of Monticello, attorney Mike Karr and his colleagues are involved in solving crimes and intrigue which touch the lives of many citizens. Some such citizens include dowager Geraldine Whitney, the frequently-married Raven Alexander, attorney Adam Drake and his wife, Nicole, attorney Draper Scott and his wife, April, Police Chief Bill Marceau, night club owner Johnny Dallas, physician Dr. Miles Cavanaugh, young Jody Travis and her many boyfriends, and Mike Karr himself, his wife, Nancy, and their daughter, Lorrie. All the usual soap opera devices, including prolonged amnesia, a woman with a split personality, murderous mobsters, usurped identities, and murders with many suspects, are used quite effectively in this long running serial.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 01, 2006, 05:21:37 pm
oh yes, I remember thinking Mike Karr was a fuddy-duddy and Adam Drake was a dreamboat.  I believed in dreamboats back in high school....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 05:29:50 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 01, 2006, 05:21:37 pm
oh yes, I remember thinking Mike Karr was a fuddy-duddy and Adam Drake was a dreamboat.  I believed in dreamboats back in high school....

Didn't we all believe in dreamboats? Here's mine, for a looooong time....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/redford.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 01, 2006, 06:51:32 pm
Quote from: caramelle58 on October 01, 2006, 04:44:56 pm
How nice - the "Red Stallion" has started already !

Know what, Louise ? I can see myself 20 years from now, logging into your LJ to check out the newest chapter of your newest E&E-saga...me and several thousands of other elderly females. This will be the "Eastenders" or "Crossroads" of fanfiction  ( don't know a thing about American TV, what are the longest running soaps in the US ?)


 ;D                       the longest running soap on america, started on radio.  moved to tv in the late fifties i believe.....the guiding light

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 01, 2006, 07:01:35 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 01, 2006, 05:08:26 pm
I absolutely love it Louise! I think it's very exciting. As long as they keep your OC's true to character  :) I'd hate to see an off base Wayne or Lauren or Dupree etc.

What's all this OC stuff. Louise has created a canon of her own!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 01, 2006, 07:27:55 pm
Hey TH. Thanks yet again for more of your insights, especially the following gems:



I was also interested in your comment that “In relationships we are drawn to the qualities and aspects that we need in ourselves...  I have always felt that Ennis and Jack were drawn to each other's strengths.”

Elsewhere I posted the following:

“I think what Jung is saying is that the qualities we fall in love with in another person are those qualities which are actually hidden within ourselves. We project these outwards on to another person. That is why we feel so good in their company – they make us feel whole.

”This person is the double or soul mate archetype. He or she is the outer “other half” who acts like a mirror, reflecting and drawing out the beauties and strengths of the “inner other half” hidden within. A person is thus able recognise their inner self through the medium of the beloved. Once this inner connection is made, the person experiences wholeness - receiving everything they need from what is basically a bottomless well.”

Finally, thanks for quoting Dylan Thomas' beautiful poem.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 01, 2006, 09:15:23 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 05:29:50 pm
Didn't we all believe in dreamboats? Here's mine, for a looooong time....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/redford.jpg)


NOW that you have brought RR up into mind----Have you seen the movie-An Unfinished Life??
It is great-He and Morgan Freeman play off each other, wonderful chemistry--and he is as good as he's ever been in my own opinion.  It is available dvd now, and will be showing on STarz I think this month.


Louise I really enjoyed your first chapter.  this is going to be a most interesting party--can hardly wait!!LOL

Lucise---Postively loved that multi-character mural/fanart pict.   OMGoodness---SIGH
Not only our Boys---but that's my Dupree and Lance there too!! (Deep breath)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 01, 2006, 10:00:17 pm
(http://www.britishbattles.com/waterloo/images/trafalgar/admiral-lord-nelson.jpg)

Looks like English naval hero Lord Horatio Nelson was not only a heterosexual version of Ennis in terms of heroic loyalty to his lover but, judging by the following quotes from his letters to his mistress Emma Hamilton, he would have been a dab hand at writing slash!

In recently published letters contained in a new biography of Hamilton, he wrote to her that he had woken 20 times in the night thinking of her and that in one of his dreams he was sitting between two women.

“They both tried to seduce me and the first wanted to take those liberties with me that no Woman in the World but yourself ever did, the consequence was I knocked her down and in the moment of bustle you came in and taking me in your embrace whispered I love nothing but you my Nelson and we enjoyed the height of love.”

In another letter he wrote he could be “trusted with 50 virgins in a dark room”.

“What must be my sensations at the idea of sleeping with you! It sets me on fire, even the thoughts, much more would the reality. I am sure my love and desires are all to you, and if any woman naked were to come to me, even as I am at this moment from thinking of you, I hope it might rot off if I would touch her even with my hand.”


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 10:04:25 pm
And now for something completely different:

The other night I had this dream that in the middle of a Ritz cracker ad, the spokesperson, overcome with emotion said, "I need to read Louise's story!" When I woke up, I remembered the slogan, "Everything is better that sits on a Ritz!" I asked Lucise for some fanart and she came through in an admirable manner....okay, they are sitting on saltines, but folks are we quibbling here?

This is for you, Louise, my crazy dream...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/d1970058.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 01, 2006, 10:14:29 pm
Quote from: TH on October 01, 2006, 08:21:32 pm
      This, I think, is the hidden value of works of art like BBM and the fanfic spin offs...  That some of this art...communicates past the mind to the spirit of people in the culture and they 'hear' that value whether they have language for it or not...   

The following description of the teaching story (which may include traditional folk tales/fairy stories) by psychologist Robert Ornstein (in The Psychology of Consciousness) is illuminating.

"The teaching story was brought to perfection  as a communication instrument many thousands of years ago. It is part of the most priceless heritage of mankind. ... Unlike the parable, the meanng of the teaching story cannot be unravelled by intellectual methods alone. Its action is direct and certain upon the innermost part of the human being, an action incapable of manifestion by means of the emotional or intellectual apparatus.

"The closest we can come to describing its effect is to say that it connects with a part of the individual which cannot be reached by any other convention. It establishes a means of communication with a non-verbalised truth beyond the customary limitations of our familiar dimensions."

I can only surmise that a template is embedded in the symbolism and structure of the BBM story which is recognised by our subconscious mind. This template represents some primal "truth" about the human state and maybe even something beyond that. That's why people have reacted so strongly to this tale.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on October 01, 2006, 10:27:59 pm
Hey, everyone,

I have enjoyed so much the insights from so many new readers. What wonderful reading!

Real life has rudely intruded into my time lately. My laptop started smoking from the keyboard last week, so I've had to make do with sharing the desktop with my son – much to his disgust. And there's a new issue with Apple's latest system upgrade creating major problems with third-party software. At least two of our three computers are affected. *Groan* If you own a Mac, DON'T download the latest upgrade!

Meanwhile, I found the last locations update in my profile. So here's what I've got so far.

New readers, let me know via PM or post if you want to be added to this list. You may offer only whatever details you wish. Time changes in three weeks!

Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Belbbmfan:  Leuven, Belgium (CET=EDT+6)
Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford/David:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)
Helen/Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Laurel:  Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT)
Louisev/Louise: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Lynne:  Tennessee, USA (CDT)
Madlori/Lori:  Columbus, Ohio (EDT)
Magicmountain/Jo:  Sydney, Australia (AEDT=EDT+11)
Mainewriter/Leslie:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Moremojo/Scott:  Austin, Texas (CDT=EDT-1)
Navyvet:  Somewhere, Florida (EDT)
Neatfreak/Betty:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista/Natali: Madrid, Spain (CET=EDT+6)
Pastorfred/Fred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)
Yb:  Hongkong, China (Name of zone?=EDT+9)

neatfreak/Betty
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 01, 2006, 11:07:10 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 01, 2006, 10:04:25 pm
, "Everything is better that sits on a Ritz!" I asked Lucise for some fanart and she came through in an admirable manner....okay, they are sitting on saltines, but folks are we quibbling here?


Saltines, you say?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 03:02:06 am
Good question. I guess, as I say, these things are registered in the subconscious so I can only respond in a sketchy sort of way. This is my take. On a symbolic level the mountain represents sacred space – another dimension maybe or a state of consciousness. Jack is an emissary or angel from this place – he is a life-giving source of love and affirmation. Ennis is Everyman who goes up the "mountain", has a transcendental experience – an encounter with an angel - in which he experiences wholeness. It scares him because he fears the loss of himself (ego death) and that union with the angel will require sacrifice and mark him out as different. He flees from this experience, but receives constant reminders (Jack’s postcards). He allows the angelic influence into his presence only rarely until its power withers and dies, finally reaching him only in dreams.

PS Since this exchange is getting a bit OT in relation to Ennis and Ellery perhaps, if you wish, we should carry on this exchange via PMs.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 04:03:16 am
Have just watched an Australian interview with Hugh Jackman on TV. It was fascinating to see. He is wide-eyed, soft voiced, boyishly enthusiastic, animated and natural. A lovely man. No wonder Ennis is nuts about him!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 02, 2006, 04:27:33 am
awwww, so jealous!  Wide-eyed and soft voiced huh?

Doesn't sound like our Ellery to me!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 04:41:49 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on September 30, 2006, 05:18:25 pm
I started this thread on June 24. It seems like a lifetime ago! LOL. Now, 3 months, 475 pages, 4750 posts, and 5 finished books later (I started this thread when the third book was in its early chapters), here we are...Ennis and Ellery are truly committed to each other, we've been through murder, kidnapping, injury, the vacation from hell (which had a happy ending), lots of angst, plus day to day life, love, work, and friends. We have had a culinary exploration that has ranged from beans and franks cooked in the radarrange (yes, I stumbled across that in a very early chapter just yesterday) to ....sardine sandwiches. 'Nuff said about that!

Out in the real world there have been new readers coming on board daily and joining us here at Bettermost to discuss the story. Just as Brokeback created communities that no one expected, so has this story. I had the privilege to meet Louise in London in August and believe I have made a very special friend.

I am looking forward to the sixth book but feeling a little nostalgic with the ending of the fifth. I actually feel like it is a perfect ending...I can picture them there, in honeymoon cottage, the autumn sun coming through the window (which it is doing here in Maine).

I thought of sending our author some flowers as a thank you, but decided that maybe this was more appropriate....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/fall-foliage-screenshot2.jpg)

Thanks, Louise.

Leslie


Morning Everyone!  I'm a bit late to reply to this, I know, but I thought it was such a lovely post.  I wish I'd discovered LS a lot sooner than I did, but there's nothing to be done about that.  The fact is I did discover it, and its been such a joy catching up on all 5 books, and to enjoy reading the first chapter of book 6 along with everyone else here.

I thought your description of where Ennis and Ellery are now in their relationship was beautiful, and I know how you feel about the end of book 5, but it was a beautifully apt ending. 

I loved the picture you posted too Leslie - really beautiful and totally captured Louise's description of the autumn sun coming through the window as Ennis and Ellery declared their dedication and love for each other. 

Wow, I'm feeling very overcome with emotion and its still early! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 02, 2006, 04:46:04 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 03:02:06 am
Good question. I guess, as I say, these things are registered in the subconscious so I can only respond in a sketchy sort of way. This is my take. On a symbolic level the mountain represents sacred space – another dimension maybe or a state of consciousness. Jack is an emissary or angel from this place – he is a life-giving source of love and affirmation. Ennis is Everyman who goes up the "mountain", has a transcendental experience – an encounter with an angel - in which he experiences wholeness. It scares him because he fears the loss of himself (ego death) and that union with the angel will require sacrifice and mark him out as different. He flees from this experience, but receives constant reminders (Jack’s postcards). He allows the angelic influence into his presence only rarely until its power withers and dies, finally reaching him only in dreams.

PS Since this exchange is getting a bit OT in relation to Ennis and Ellery perhaps, if you wish, we should carry on this exchange via PMs.


Instead of continuing the converstation via PM, why don't you open a thread over at the Open Forum so others (including me) can be part of the discussion? It's an interesting topic!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 02, 2006, 05:00:46 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/125847.html  "Chapter 2:  Guests of Honor"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 05:52:23 am
Quote from: souxi on October 01, 2006, 03:00:25 am
Morning all, mornin fellow Brits, mornin June. ;) ;)
Christie lets not forget one very important thing to look forward too in book 6....

QUOTE:
And for those of you wondering if the Saga is going to end... I am presently seriously considering a Book VI, which I am going to title "The Red Stallion", which will take place after the boys' vacation and revolve around life at the Red Stallion, its denizens and social life as Ennis and Ellery solemnize their relationship with a personal commitment ceremony to one another.QUOTE:


I cant WAIT for that to happen. I bet there will be a few tears then. I,m looking forward to finding out a bit more about Mr mysterious Dupree and his "love interest", that should be fun. Wayne and Pete with no spleen lol, Sally and Ben, but you know what? After book 6 finishes, you know what that means?? NO more updates!! :o :o :o :o OMG what on earth will we do then? Read it all again of course lol. Louise have you ever considered having LS published as a fanzine? I,ve recently bough SN by Jenna and it would be so lovely if you did the same. Leslie that picture is breathtaking. What beautifull scenery. Right off for some RL, :( c ya later peeps. xx

Hi Souxi

I know I had some concerns about the new book, only cos I love Ennis and Ellery so much, but i've read the first 2 and we've already had a lovely scene between our boys, so I'm happy!  I shouldn't have been so worried!  There are a lot of things to look forward to in this book, and I cant wait to read them!

I'm trying  hard not to think about the end of LS, but having it published as a fanzine would be a wonderful idea, wouldnt it?  I could have my very own copy of LS to keep and treasure - and to read over and over again - I can highlight all my favourite chapters  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 05:53:27 am
Quote from: Lucise on October 01, 2006, 03:52:46 pm
Hello!

I just finished reading Chapter 1 of Book VI and I was inspired to do a pic of the boys.  So here it is!
I am sorry that Wayne is not in here .. I couldn't connect to Bettermost to get a pic of his saucy behind to add to the pic ..lol, so I'll be sure to add him to the next group photo ..  ;)

Just in case you dont know who is who..from L->R: 
Simon, Lauren, The Lads (duh!..lol), Lance and Dupree!   


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/ffa9c396.jpg)



Gorgeous pic Lucise!!! You really are very talented.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 05:55:50 am
Quote from: neatfreak on October 01, 2006, 10:27:59 pm
Hey, everyone,

I have enjoyed so much the insights from so many new readers. What wonderful reading!

Real life has rudely intruded into my time lately. My laptop started smoking from the keyboard last week, so I've had to make do with sharing the desktop with my son – much to his disgust. And there's a new issue with Apple's latest system upgrade creating major problems with third-party software. At least two of our three computers are affected. *Groan* If you own a Mac, DON'T download the latest upgrade!

Meanwhile, I found the last locations update in my profile. So here's what I've got so far.

New readers, let me know via PM or post if you want to be added to this list. You may offer only whatever details you wish. Time changes in three weeks!

Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Belbbmfan:  Leuven, Belgium (CET=EDT+6)
Bigheart:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
DavidinHartford/David:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)
Helen/Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Laurel:  Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT)
Louisev/Louise: Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Lynne:  Tennessee, USA (CDT)
Madlori/Lori:  Columbus, Ohio (EDT)
Magicmountain/Jo:  Sydney, Australia (AEDT=EDT+11)
Mainewriter/Leslie:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Moremojo/Scott:  Austin, Texas (CDT=EDT-1)
Navyvet:  Somewhere, Florida (EDT)
Neatfreak/Betty:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista/Natali: Madrid, Spain (CET=EDT+6)
Pastorfred/Fred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal: Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack: Vienna, Maine (EDT)
Yb:  Hongkong, China (Name of zone?=EDT+9)

neatfreak/Betty

Hi Betty

Can I be added to this list?  Christie from Liverpool, UK.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 05:57:20 am
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 05:00:46 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/125847.html  "Chapter 2:  Guests of Honor"

Wonderful chapter Louise.   Am loving the start of the book already! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 02, 2006, 06:39:59 am
since it never would occur to me to NOT have Ennis and Ellery as the central characters, I guess I missed out on concerns people might have had that I would write about the Red Stallion boys and leave them out!!!  Sorry for spooking everyone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 06:51:56 am
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 06:39:59 am
since it never would occur to me to NOT have Ennis and Ellery as the central characters, I guess I missed out on concerns people might have had that I would write about the Red Stallion boys and leave them out!!!  Sorry for spooking everyone!
Oh Louise, I knew you'd NEVER leave them out! That would have been impossible for you!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 02, 2006, 07:15:42 am
he heh he heh.

And I know what all you gals are waitnig for too: one of those famous making-out in the Gents scenes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 07:34:05 am
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 07:15:42 am
he heh he heh.

And I know what all you gals are waitnig for too: one of those famous making-out in the Gents scenes.

Now Louise, what do you take us for? 

Oh ok, you're right.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 07:35:59 am
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 06:39:59 am
since it never would occur to me to NOT have Ennis and Ellery as the central characters, I guess I missed out on concerns people might have had that I would write about the Red Stallion boys and leave them out!!!  Sorry for spooking everyone!

I'm sorry for having worries that you might leave them out!  I've just become so attached to Ennis and Ellery, and love reading about them.   :)

Thats not to say I dont love the other supporting characters, they are great too. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 07:41:16 am
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 07:15:42 am
he heh he heh.

And I know what all you gals are waitnig for too: one of those famous making-out in the Gents scenes.
YEP Louise  ;D
Mmmmmm,  Dupree and......Chas??  :o  :P
Come to think of it....I don't really see them doing it there!   ;)  ;D

Any idea's dear Souxi?!?  :P

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 02, 2006, 07:57:12 am
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 07:15:42 am
he heh he heh.

And I know what all you gals are waitnig for too: one of those famous making-out in the Gents scenes.


Us?? noooooooooo never, dont know what you mean. ;) Anyone would think we had rude thoughts, and we dont do we June?  ;) ;) ;)
Nice to be back btw, I was well pissed of when I couldnt get in here yesterday. grrrrr@servers. >:(  Am I the only one who likes Wayne btw? I think he,s funny and he seem harmless. I always remember that classic remark he made to Ennis about the sex headache and then said that if it wasnt sex it might be a stoke!! pmsl that made me laugh lol. I bet Ellery wont mention "that" dream to Dupree lol.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 08:10:46 am
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 04:27:33 am
awwww, so jealous!  Wide-eyed and soft voiced huh?

Doesn't sound like our Ellery to me!!!

What I meant is his eyes are wide set - as we see in his photos. Soft may be overstating it - however his voice isn't as deep as Heath Ledger's.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 08:15:48 am
Quote from: souxi on October 02, 2006, 07:57:12 am

Us?? noooooooooo never, dont know what you mean. ;) Anyone would think we had rude thoughts, and we dont do we June?  ;) ;) ;)
Nice to be back btw, I was well pissed of when I couldnt get in here yesterday. grrrrr@servers. >:(  Am I the only one who likes Wayne btw? I think he,s funny and he seem harmless. I always remember that classic remark he made to Ennis about the sex headache and then said that if it wasnt sex it might be a stoke!! pmsl that made me laugh lol. I bet Ellery wont mention "that" dream to Dupree lol.  ;) ;D
NO Souxi, you're not the only one! Didn't you see my comment about Wayne on Louise's LJ? He is a little prick but I love him anyway! And yes, he's REALLY funny. I had that sex headache remark of his where he asks Ennis if he'd come very hard, LOL as my sig line for a long time before I put E and E's pics up  :D

Oh, okay Souxi, no ideas on what could be going on in the Gents then, eh?? LOL  ;)  :P That's right, we never have rude thoughts.... 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 02, 2006, 08:19:13 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 08:10:46 am
What I meant is his eyes are wide set - as we see in his photos. Soft may be overstating it - however his voice isn't as deep as Heath Ledger's.

Actually, the voice I hear in my head as Ellery is not as deep as Ennis's. Ennis has a growl, Ellery has a slightly higher pitched voice.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 02, 2006, 08:27:37 am
How about this for Chas Chesterfield, aka Jeeves. I though it was perfect. What do you lot think?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 02, 2006, 08:31:46 am
Two chapters already.  ;D

I just love the interaction of all the characters.

Have to say, I not so sure this Jeeves character is what he seems. Interested to see how he turns out.

Now as this is the final book in the saga it's going to have at least 200 chapters isn't it Louise? Huh?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 02, 2006, 08:32:25 am
Quote from: souxi on October 02, 2006, 08:27:37 am
How about this for Chas Chesterfield, aka Jeeves. I though it was perfect. What do you lot think?


Ideal Souxi!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 08:32:51 am
Quote from: souxi on October 02, 2006, 08:27:37 am
How about this for Chas Chesterfield, aka Jeeves. I though it was perfect. What do you lot think?


Oh, the outfit and everything is perfect Souxi! But........not sexy at all.....or isn't he supposed to be sexy, Louise??   ???  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 08:35:02 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 02, 2006, 08:31:46 am

Now as this is the final book in the saga it's going to have at least 200 chapters isn't it Louise? Huh?
Oh, at least Karen!

How long does it take you to write a 85 chapter book Louise?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 02, 2006, 08:39:21 am
Good point there June. Louise do you want a sexy English guy in a bowler hat or an old fuddy duddy? There thats another new word for you lol. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 08:44:07 am
Quote from: souxi on October 02, 2006, 07:57:12 am

Us?? noooooooooo never, dont know what you mean. ;) Anyone would think we had rude thoughts, and we dont do we June?  ;) ;) ;)
Nice to be back btw, I was well pissed of when I couldnt get in here yesterday. grrrrr@servers. >:(  Am I the only one who likes Wayne btw? I think he,s funny and he seem harmless. I always remember that classic remark he made to Ennis about the sex headache and then said that if it wasnt sex it might be a stoke!! pmsl that made me laugh lol. I bet Ellery wont mention "that" dream to Dupree lol.  ;) ;D

Hi Souxi

I like Wayne too, he's harmless and has been put through the wringer lately.  I think its actually quite sweet that he has a crush on Ennis.  If it was Dupree, I'd be worried.  What worries is Ennis' obsession with slapping Wayne's ass. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 08:44:52 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 02, 2006, 08:19:13 am
Actually, the voice I hear in my head as Ellery is not as deep as Ennis's. Ennis has a growl, Ellery has a slightly higher pitched voice.


L

Yes, thats how I hear Ellery. 

Ennis has a growl.....god, that gets me going just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 08:46:28 am
Quote from: souxi on October 02, 2006, 08:27:37 am
How about this for Chas Chesterfield, aka Jeeves. I though it was perfect. What do you lot think?



A typical English Gent Souxi!!!  I imagined someone a little sexier than that though.  Maybe like John Thaw as Morse?   ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 08:47:50 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 02, 2006, 08:31:46 am
Two chapters already.  ;D

I just love the interaction of all the characters.

Have to say, I not so sure this Jeeves character is what he seems. Interested to see how he turns out.

Now as this is the final book in the saga it's going to have at least 200 chapters isn't it Louise? Huh?

I have to say I agree with you Kazza about Jeeves....very intriguing.  Maybe thats what Dupree finds attractive? 

200 chapters sound just about right!  I just cant get my head round that this will be the last book.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 02, 2006, 08:50:39 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 02, 2006, 08:31:46 am

Now as this is the final book in the saga it's going to have at least 200 chapters isn't it Louise? Huh?

I like this idea a lot.  I felt so lost when book 5 ended at chapter 84!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 02, 2006, 09:11:44 am
200 chapters?  egad!

without having to move out of the country in the interim, the last 84 chapter book took me...from 27 August to 30 September.  Just over a calendar month.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 09:12:28 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 02, 2006, 08:44:52 am


Ennis has a growl.....god, that gets me going just thinking about it.
I try not to think about it too much........
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 09:17:10 am
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 09:11:44 am
200 chapters?  egad!

without having to move out of the country in the interim, the last 84 chapter book took me...from 27 August to 30 September.  Just over a calendar month.
That's why you MUST write a MUCH longer book Louise!! I can't stand the thought of it all be over in a months time  :( :( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 09:19:12 am
Quote from: souxi on October 02, 2006, 08:39:21 am
Good point there June. Louise do you want a sexy English guy in a bowler hat or an old fuddy duddy? There thats another new word for you lol. ;D
Hehehe to fuddy duddy  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 02, 2006, 09:22:42 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 09:19:12 am
Hehehe to fuddy duddy  :laugh:

Oh, fuddy duddy is a word we all know! LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 02, 2006, 09:23:16 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 09:17:10 am
That's why you MUST write a MUCH longer book Louise!! I can't stand the thought of it all be over in a months time  :( :( :'( :'(


I know June it,s an awful thought isnt it?  :'( :'( :'( I,m going to have to get some more ink for my printer and get it all printed off instead of just saved on my pc. That way I can read it again and again. There is some comfort to be had though. At least Louise has given Ennis back his life by writing this book instead of leaving him to drink himself to death in that trailer, pining away for Jack. :( I wish someone somewhere would read this and make it into a movie. Then we could read about our boys and watch them every day.  Now thats a happy thought. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 09:29:33 am
Quote from: souxi on October 02, 2006, 09:23:16 am

I know June it,s an awful thought isnt it?  :'( :'( :'( I,m going to have to get some more ink for my printer and get it all printed off instead of just saved on my pc. That way I can read it again and again. There is some comfort to be had though. At least Louise has given Ennis back his life by writing this book instead of leaving him to drink himself to death in that trailer, pining away for Jack. :( I wish someone somewhere would read this and make it into a movie. Then we could read about our boys and watch them every day.  Now thats a happy thought. ;D ;D
Oh yeah Souxi, that's exactly why I love TLS so, so much - for giving Ennis his life back, a reason for living again. My God, he broke my heart at the end of the movie  :'( OH I'd LOVE that movie  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 09:33:19 am
I have always been rather partial to that quintessential Englishman Charles Dance and nominate him for the role of Jeeves. What do you guys think?

(http://www.charlesdance.co.uk/images/photoplay6.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e165/chairmanma/charles_dance.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 09:51:58 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 02, 2006, 04:46:04 am
Instead of continuing the conversation via PM, why don't you open a thread over at the Open Forum so others (including me) can be part of the discussion? It's an interesting topic!

Hi Natali,

On reflection, if you like, let's continue this discussion of the the spiritual themes contained in the BBM story in this thread and encompass The Laramie Saga as an extension of the story. This way we can talk about the significance of Ennis' rebirth and journey of self discovery and the aspects discussed earlier by TH. I'd be interested in your thoughts Natali.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 02, 2006, 09:55:08 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/125957.html  "Chapter 3:  Token"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 02, 2006, 10:30:05 am
SPOILER SPOILER





"Ennis stuck his head out the door. “All the fun happenin out here? That English fellah just said he ain’t payin for any more champagne unless the owner a the bar dances with em. I told em he could take his champagne an shove it where the sun don’t shine.”

“That’s my man,” Ellery said, smiling widely."


 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

louise, great chapter! thanks


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on October 02, 2006, 10:39:24 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 02, 2006, 10:30:05 am
SPOILER SPOILER





"Ennis stuck his head out the door. “All the fun happenin out here? That English fellah just said he ain’t payin for any more champagne unless the owner a the bar dances with em. I told em he could take his champagne an shove it where the sun don’t shine.”

“That’s my man,” Ellery said, smiling widely."


 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

louise, great chapter! thanks




AND another great summary / chapter end.

Thanks, Louise, and thanks, Fabienne, for citing it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 02, 2006, 10:52:23 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 09:33:19 am
I have always been rather partial to that quintessential Englishman Charles Dance and nominate him for the role of Jeeves. What do you guys think?

(http://www.charlesdance.co.uk/images/photoplay6.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e165/chairmanma/charles_dance.jpg)


Brilliant idea. much better than mine. Charles Dance would be perfect, and he,s a lot better looking that Patrick McGee lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 02, 2006, 11:06:33 am
SPOILER SPOILER




Now that Ennis has seen Ellery and Simon discussing something in private, i wonder if Ennis will talk to Simon and ask him to make something for Ellery as well. Maybe even ask him to make whatever Ellery ordered for Ennis for Ellery as well?

i really like the idea of the belt buckle. I think it's very fitting.



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 02, 2006, 11:20:35 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 02, 2006, 11:06:33 am
SPOILER SPOILER




Now that Ennis has seen Ellery and Simon discussing something in private, i wonder if Ennis will talk to Simon and ask him to make something for Ellery as well. Maybe even ask him to make whatever Ellery ordered for Ennis for Ellery as well?

i really like the idea of the belt buckle. I think it's very fitting.





Yes I suppose a belt buckle is the best thing for both of them If Ellery had a chain it could easily get yanked off in his line of work, and how would Ennis find out his ring size for a ring? It,s the same with a bracelet, it would get broken, so yep a belt buckle is best. Engraved with something romantic on the back for Ellerys eyes only. *SIGH*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 02, 2006, 11:21:05 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 09:33:19 am
I have always been rather partial to that quintessential Englishman Charles Dance and nominate him for the role of Jeeves. What do you guys think?



oh, i really like Charles Dance.
but ..... an very gay Englishman?? I immediately thought of Rupert Everet!  :) Nice, hunh?
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/th-RupertEver_Vespa_2726973_400.jpg)

Now that's a very small picture! doesn't do him justice at all  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on October 02, 2006, 11:37:46 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 02, 2006, 11:21:05 am
oh, i really like Charles Dance.
but ..... an very gay Englishman?? I immediately thought of Rupert Everet!  :) Nice, hunh?
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/th-RupertEver_Vespa_2726973_400.jpg)

Now that's a very small picture! doesn't do him justice at all  :(

I'm a very big fan of Rupert Everet! That choice works for me!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 02, 2006, 11:40:37 am
WRT gay Englishmen, I always think Jack Davenport:

(http://www.agent007.nu/jack_davenport.jpg)

I don't think he's gay IRL, but I first saw him in "The Talented Mr. Ripley" in which he played a gay character.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 02, 2006, 11:50:15 am
Quote from: MadLori on October 02, 2006, 11:40:37 am
WRT gay Englishmen, I always think Jack Davenport:

(http://www.agent007.nu/jack_davenport.jpg)

I don't think he's gay IRL, but I first saw him in "The Talented Mr. Ripley" in which he played a gay character.

According to this website http://www.nndb.com/people/667/000065472/ (http://www.nndb.com/people/667/000065472/) his sexuality is a "matter of dispute"!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 02, 2006, 02:07:08 pm
Night people. C ya all tomorow. Be good June. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 02:07:47 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 09:33:19 am
I have always been rather partial to that quintessential Englishman Charles Dance and nominate him for the role of Jeeves. What do you guys think?

(http://www.charlesdance.co.uk/images/photoplay6.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e165/chairmanma/charles_dance.jpg)

Oh yes Jo, I really like him too. Thought he was quite sexy in White Mischief!

I also really like the new James Bond, Daniel Craig  :)


(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/DanielCraig.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 02:10:06 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 02, 2006, 02:07:08 pm
Night people. C ya all tomorow. Be good June. ;) ;)
Nite Souxi, you too  ;)  :-*

You tell ME something tomorrow!!  ;D  :P  ;)
 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 02, 2006, 02:13:36 pm
Quote from: littleguitar on October 02, 2006, 11:37:46 am
I'm a very big fan of Rupert Everet! That choice works for me!  ;D

Here, here :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/402e2997.jpg)

(http://www.cineclub.de/images/ein_perfekter_ehemann_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on October 02, 2006, 02:49:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 02, 2006, 02:13:36 pm
Here, here :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/402e2997.jpg)

(http://www.cineclub.de/images/ein_perfekter_ehemann_4.jpg)

Ah, yes! See, he's perfect  ;) I've also met him (well, kind of...) so I definitely think he should be Jeeves!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 02, 2006, 03:19:54 pm
casting is up to you guys.  And the Brits know their own actors better so my feeling is we better leave this up to the European contingent.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 04:29:31 pm
Quote from: TH on October 02, 2006, 04:21:33 pm
  ... and besides... if John Steed shows up as Jeeves... wouldn't Ennis be afraid of getting taken aside and 'talked to' about his fantasies about Diana Rigg?  -grin
..
Hehehehehehe   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 02, 2006, 04:35:48 pm

Bonus update:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/126304.html  "Chapter 4:  The End of a Long Day"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 05:25:03 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 04:35:48 pm
Bonus update:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/126304.html  "Chapter 4:  The End of a Long Day"
Squeeeeee!  ;D

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 02, 2006, 05:44:44 pm
June are you a little puddle a helpless whimperin lust?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 02, 2006, 06:46:44 pm
Quote from: TH on October 02, 2006, 04:49:36 pm

SPOILER !

 "Little puddle a helpless whimperin lust"

  Hmmm.. now there's an image that won't soon be forgotten.
..

A great line indeed, and very evocotive. Just how Louise's love scenes leave us.

Those boys though eh? How dibilitated does Ellery have to be before they keep their hands off each other?

Not that I'm complaining though. Oh no siree, not me.  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 06:52:38 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 05:44:44 pm
June are you a little puddle a helpless whimperin lust?
After one of your deelicious 'gettin fancy' chapters??

You bet!!  ;D

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 02, 2006, 06:58:42 pm
Nite Louise, nite all  :)

You're burning the midnight oil, Louise!  :D

 :-*

Thanks for all the gorgeous chaps today  :)

Ohh, that reminds me, we need a visual for the belt buckle! Too tired to go look for one now!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 02, 2006, 07:39:16 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 02, 2006, 02:13:36 pm
Here, here :)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/402e2997.jpg)

(http://www.cineclub.de/images/ein_perfekter_ehemann_4.jpg)
                                                                                                                               My first choice also;;;                           janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 08:23:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 03:19:54 pm
casting is up to you guys.  And the Brits know their own actors better so my feeling is we better leave this up to the European contingent.

Yeah - I agree.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 02, 2006, 08:25:13 pm
Quote from: TH on October 02, 2006, 12:01:53 pm
  My two bits here too, is that I am firmly 'positioned' here for exploring the spiritual themes, to use that term. 

  When I saw in the bookends of the novel that Jack was present in dreams the book ended in hope rather than despair... and then the Laramie Saga [terrible story that it is! - big grin] began with Ennis moving into life again...  I don't think that I could think very well outside of this context.  -smile

Sounds cool TH!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 02, 2006, 11:06:00 pm
Wow!  I've had a busy couple of days.  The beautiful wrap-up of Book 5, combined with the fact that Bettermost was down Sunday A.M., inspired me to work on my own writing all day.  I usually only manage 3-4,000 words a month, but I did send a segment off to my Beta reader, so I'm feeling productive for a change.
 :)
Then, I gleefully found the first 4 chapters of The Red Stallion.  Yippee!   ;D
What an awesome read!

Hugs,
NavyVet
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 03, 2006, 12:30:39 am
Token:  Spoilers ...




Ellery initially thought of getting Ennis a belt buckle with turquoise stones ..Something like ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/cb7b589a.jpg)

or like ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/cb7b589a-2.jpg)

Simon commented that he didn't think Ennis would ever wear anything like that ..  And he certainly wouldn't wear anything gold like..

(http://tomsdomain.com/travel/short/images/reagan_buckle.jpg)


So Ellery opted for something more subdued and less flashy, with a Mother of Pearl .. like ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/cb7b589a-1.jpg)

Let's see what Simon comes up with ...  ;)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 03, 2006, 12:58:27 am
I actually like the gold one the best, this design is not flashy at all and the color tone just fits Ennis (I'm thinking about Ennis of the movie).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 03:28:02 am
I like the bottom one the best too  :) Lovely and simple. I can only imagine how sexy Ennis will look *sigh* *swoons*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 03, 2006, 04:18:51 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 03:28:02 am
I like the bottom one the best too  :) Lovely and simple. I can only imagine how sexy Ennis will look *sigh* *swoons*

Morning peeps. Mornin June. ;) Sorry but I like the gold one best. However, I also found these: What do you think?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 03, 2006, 04:24:53 am
I found some more for you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 03, 2006, 04:26:31 am
And a few more:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 03, 2006, 04:31:41 am
Quote from: souxi on October 03, 2006, 04:24:53 am
I found some more for you.


Morning everyone.  Boy Souxi you have been busy!  I really like the horse one, cos of Ennis' love for horses.

I dont really like the gold ones, though. 

I want to know what Ellery is going to have inscribed on it?  What do you all think?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 03, 2006, 04:36:39 am
Quote from: louisev on October 02, 2006, 03:19:54 pm
casting is up to you guys.  And the Brits know their own actors better so my feeling is we better leave this up to the European contingent.

Well, for what its worth, I think Rupert Everett is the right "type" of Englishman, but he's too young to play Jeeves, isnt he?  He's got that glint in his eye though that I think Jeeves has - you know, like he's hiding something?  I wonder if he's confided in Dupree?  They seem to be awful cosy dont they?

Anyway back to Jeeves......the men I thought about were Hugh Laurie, Alan Rickman or Ralph Fiennes.  All very attractive, all very English.

What do you think?   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 03, 2006, 04:57:41 am
Yep Christie Hugh Laurie is PERFECT, absolutly brilliant. Have a look at these, one with Stephen Fry. What do you think?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 03, 2006, 05:45:01 am
I don't know brokies.   I am just puzzled why Dupree would be infatuated with that guy.     

I would have thought him to have had his atention grabbed by some hunky Marine type who came into the bar.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 06:08:38 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 03, 2006, 05:45:01 am
I don't know brokies.   I am just puzzled why Dupree would be infatuated with that guy.     

I would have thought him to have had his atention grabbed by some hunky Marine type who came into the bar.
Yep, I have to agree with you David. Isn't there a sexier, hunkier English guy around for Dupree??

I do like Hugh Laurie though and Alan Rickman and I adore Ralph Fiennes. Thanks girls! for going to all this trouble  :)

Souxi, LOVE all the belt buckles, and yes you have been a busy little bee  ;D I take it you had a GOOOOD nights rest?!?  ;D My favourite is also the horsey one  :)

And I forgot to thank you too, Milli, for the belt bucke pics. Don't know now which one I like better....the mother of pearl or Souxi's horsey one!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 03, 2006, 06:17:37 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 03, 2006, 05:45:01 am
I don't know brokies.   I am just puzzled why Dupree would be infatuated with that guy.     

I would have thought him to have had his atention grabbed by some hunky Marine type who came into the bar.

I do know what you mean.  I am really baffled too.  What is it about Jeeves that Dupree likes?

I keep thinking that Dupree fancies Ennis, but I dont want to think that.   ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 06:26:35 am
Interesting belt buckle choices, have to say! The Sturgis one...that's from a huge Harley-Davidson motorcycle rally held every year in Sturgis, SD. I sort of doubt that would be Ellery or Simon's choice.

My taste tends to run to the simple. I like this (all silver), which is crafted by a Navajo artist.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0526062017.jpg)


This is a Zuni design, silver inlaid with onyx, turquoise, spiny oyster and mother of pearl.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/060704055.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 03, 2006, 06:32:53 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 06:26:35 am

This is a Zuni design, silver inlaid with onyx, turquoise, spiny oyster and mother of pearl.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/060704055.jpg)


Wow, this one is very very beautiful!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 03, 2006, 06:37:30 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 03, 2006, 06:17:37 am

I keep thinking that Dupree fancies Ennis, but I dont want to think that.   ???

Actually, I have the same feeling that Dupree has a secret crush on Ennis.  I'm thinking maybe Dupree and Jeeves's relation is not the kind we have in mind.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 03, 2006, 06:42:07 am
Ok last one I found.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 03, 2006, 06:51:40 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 03, 2006, 06:17:37 am
I keep thinking that Dupree fancies Ennis, but I dont want to think that.   ???



Quote from: yb on October 03, 2006, 06:37:30 am
Actually, I have the same feeling that Dupree has a secret crush on Ennis.  I'm thinking maybe Dupree and Jeeves's relation is not the kind we have in mind.


Well, I don't think Dupree fancies Ennis. They're just friends. I also don't think Dupree is gay or bi. I could be wrong, but to me he's just gay friendly. Something like Jake Gyllenhaal. "He's not into guys sexually, but wouldn't be afraid if it happens", which doesn't necessarily making bi sexual, probably bi curious. We already know Dupree beats up thinking of sweaty beefy army guys once in a while. And Jeeves is probably just a friend of his.

We still don't know Jeeve's story and how he got in the Red Stallion in the first place. Maybe Dupree and him have known each other before, and Dupree invited him over. Being in the army, Dupree probably had the chance to travel some, and could've meet Jeeves anywhere. Lauren and Simon are just gossiping like a couple of old ladies. I don't think they have the facts about Dupree's sexuality or life.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 03, 2006, 07:01:16 am
Quote from: christie wood link=topic=2833.msg94992#msg94992 I keep thinking that Dupree fancies Ennis, but I dont want to think that.   ???
[/quote

Why not?     Many closeted guys who are very masculine and straight acting are attracted to the Ennis types.    Overly fem guys are a big turn off to them.     Which is pretty much how Ennis feels isn't it?     

 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 07:26:24 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 03, 2006, 06:32:53 am
Wow, this one is very very beautiful!
It *is* very beautiful, I agree. I'd wear it myself  :D but I think it's too much for Ennis (just my opinion  :))
I love your simple silver one and Milli's. I also like Souxi's horsey one, the simple one.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 03, 2006, 08:15:57 am
Remember a few days ago there was a discussion about our boys smooching to a slow song at home? Click on this link and use the forward arrows to forward to the 4th song. It,s perfect for them.
http://www.ericbenet.net/
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 03, 2006, 08:16:52 am
Roger Moore

(http://film.purger.com/faq/tv/moore.jpg)

(http://members.aon.at/gernot007/roger3.jpg)

Billl Nighy

(http://www.bbcworld.com/content/talkingmovies/archive_2003/week45/thisweek/images/love_bill.jpg)

(http://dvdtoile.com/ARTISTES/20/20872.jpg)


Ralph Fiennes

(http://www.djfl.de/entertainment/stars/r/ralph_fiennes/ralph_fiennes.jpg)

(http://static.flickr.com/20/73256565_e2bacb0bca_m.jpg)

(http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Ralph-Fiennes-Hated-The-First-Two-Harry-Potter-Films-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 08:28:38 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/126607.html  "Chapter 5:  Being Gentle"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 03, 2006, 08:30:58 am
Thanks Louise - timed perfectly for my lunchbreak again  ;D

*skips off to read*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 03, 2006, 08:42:53 am
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on October 03, 2006, 08:28:38 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/126607.html  "Chapter 5:  Being Gentle"

I just loved the silly sappy cute conversation! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 03, 2006, 08:50:50 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 03, 2006, 08:42:53 am
SPOILERS

I just loved the silly sappy cute conversation! LOL

Sigh - that was lovely wasn't it? Hot..... and lovely.

Love the idea of Ennis blushing - and that Ellery thinks it cute.

Yummy lunchbreak today.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 08:54:57 am
wow you folks are quick!  you leapt on that chapter like wild dogs on a hunk of raw meat!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 09:03:05 am
Quote from: louisev on October 03, 2006, 08:54:57 am
wow you folks are quick!  you leapt on that chapter like wild dogs on a hunk of raw meat!
Awww, no time to read just now Louise  :(  :(  :'(  :'(


Jo: Ralph Fiennes, gorgeous! *Le Sigh.....*

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 09:08:46 am
Quote from: souxi on October 03, 2006, 08:15:57 am
Remember a few days ago there was a discussion about our boys smooching to a slow song at home? Click on this link and use the forward arrows to forward to the 4th song. It,s perfect for them.
http://www.ericbenet.net/

Which forward arrows?? Sorry for probably being a dense dumbass  ;D
I heard a song come on as soon as I clicked on the link, is that it? That was a pretty smoochy slow love song  :)  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 03, 2006, 09:11:56 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 03, 2006, 07:01:16 am
[quote author=christie wood link=topic=2833.msg94992#msg94992 I keep thinking that Dupree fancies Ennis, but I dont want to think that.   ???


Why not?     Many closeted guys who are very masculine and straight acting are attracted to the Ennis types.    Overly fem guys are a big turn off to them.     Which is pretty much how Ennis feels isn't it?     

 

I dont want to think that because I dont want anyone or anything to come between Ennis and Ellery.  I will cling on to the thought and hope that Dupree just really likes Ennis as a friend.   :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on October 03, 2006, 09:12:35 am
I love the idea of Hugh Laurie, also Ralph Feinnes....  ::) Both are beautiful, beautiful men...

Someone said Rupert Everett is too young... I thought he was going on 50 or already there?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 03, 2006, 09:19:30 am
OK What about the following horse motif with the middle horse in red garnet overlaid on a silver backing to symbolise the Red Stallion where Ennis and Ellery first met.

(http://www.selectlinesdenver.com/ebay/BB-S003b.JPG)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 09:27:13 am
Another approach to the "token" might be a belt that buckles, as opposed to the other style. For example, this is a two-tone belt with silver conchos and a 1½" silver buckle, with woven rawhide and horsehair inlays.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/2425802_L.jpg)


And this, the "Cheyenne belt" features a hair-on inlay silver concho with a star. Silver studs outline both the inlay and concho. The buckle is silver.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/c40715_L.jpg)

I actually like this one quite a bit. Ellery, dear, if you need any shopping help, my phone number is....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 03, 2006, 09:32:44 am
Quote from: louisev on October 03, 2006, 08:54:57 am
wow you folks are quick!  you leapt on that chapter like wild dogs on a hunk of raw meat!

Yup!

I love your lunchtime posts. Gives me something to take my mind of my boring sandwiches which I have to eat at my desk as we have no communal area.

However, my colleagues must wonder what's in them sometimes what with the grinning, and slack jawed staring at my screen with a flush on my cheeks.  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 09:38:46 am
If Simon is a smart businessman and good salesman, he might suggest to Ellery a complementary hat band to go along with the belt and/or belt buckle.

This one is engraved silver. Classy....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/8723_big.jpg)

This one is horsehair and rawhide, with silver accents and a silver buckle.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/silver_gold_hat_band.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 03, 2006, 10:07:16 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 09:38:46 am
If Simon is a smart businessman and good salesman, he might suggest to Ellery a complementary hat band to go along with the belt and/or belt buckle.

This one is engraved silver. Classy....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/8723_big.jpg)



It is beautiful but Ennis is going to freak! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 03, 2006, 10:12:10 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 09:38:46 am
If Simon is a smart businessman and good salesman, he might suggest to Ellery a complementary hat band to go along with the belt and/or belt buckle.

This one is engraved silver. Classy....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/8723_big.jpg)

This one is horsehair and rawhide, with silver accents and a silver buckle.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/silver_gold_hat_band.jpg)



Leslie, I'm with you.  The Navajo buckle is for me, and not showy, and I think Ennis would like it very much.  I'm not too sure about the belt though.  It looks pretty showy to me. 

I haven't been making many comments but I am following the story cloosely.  I am of English extraction and when I was in England I was mistaken for a native severall times, until I opened my mouth, that is.  So I will venture an opinion.  I go for either Roger Moore or Rupert Evert for Jeeves.  I don't think Jeeves is too old, maybe in his mid fifties.  So, I think either would do.

My goodness, this thread is fun.  Some deep thinking too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 03, 2006, 10:28:58 am
OH--I had a bb just like the silver one with the gold long  horn steer on it when I was in college.

I don't see Ennis wearing any metal on a belt except the buckel---you don't want all that metal around your waist if you are going to wear it on a daily basis---first it gets too dirty, and second--if he ever hits the ground off a horse--it pokes you and hurts.  That is also why it can't be too huge, and in my own opinion---oval would be the best shape---square or rectangles have sharp edges, unless they are small in line with the leather--(used to have a big square one, and first time I got pitched off--it left my belt QUICK!!

IF he is going to only wear it around Ellery, when they go out and such, whatever is okay--but if this token BB is going to be something he wants to wear on a daily basis to remind him of Ellery--I see it being inlaid and not too many stones or upright projections. 
There are a  lot of neat choices here already.   AND since it is going to be worn next to leather, and clothing colors and NOT Ennis' skin---the  color does not matter.   the Gold and or silver--that are a person's best colors are only valid next to skin---NO Matter what color the buckels ends up--It will be perfect because it is too far away from his eyes or face to matter or make a difference.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 03, 2006, 10:39:55 am
Quote from: Lucise on October 03, 2006, 12:30:39 am
Token:  Spoilers ...




Ellery initially thought of getting Ennis a belt buckle with turquoise stones ..Something like ..




Simon commented that he didn't think Ennis would ever wear anything like that ..  And he certainly wouldn't wear anything gold like..

(http://tomsdomain.com/travel/short/images/reagan_buckle.jpg)


So Ellery opted for something more subdued and less flashy, with a Mother of Pearl .. like ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/cb7b589a-1.jpg)

Let's see what Simon comes up with ...  ;)




I really like the shapes of both of these, and either would be very attractive.
And in my own mind, I can see Ennis wearing either one, and liking them.   Lots of horse trainers will wear buckels like the gold because they actually won them, or they remind them of their favorite horses, and those types fit in most anywhere, anytime.
And also
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 03, 2006, 10:42:12 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 03, 2006, 09:19:30 am
OK What about the following horse motif with the middle horse in red garnet overlaid on a silver backing to symbolise the Red Stallion where Ennis and Ellery first met.

(http://www.selectlinesdenver.com/ebay/BB-S003b.JPG)


I really like this though I may change the outside shape alittle, it could be something meaningful and Ennis type practical at the same time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 10:52:48 am
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/126809.html  "Chapter 6:  Back to the Salt Mines"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 03, 2006, 11:10:05 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 09:08:46 am
Which forward arrows?? Sorry for probably being a dense dumbass  ;D
I heard a song come on as soon as I clicked on the link, is that it? That was a pretty smoochy slow love song  :)  :-*

Elloooo June. Right, when you click on the link, in the top right hand side of the page is the name of the first song playing...pretty baby I think it is. Then there are a set of 2 small arrows like you get on a tape recorder? then a play one, then a square and 2 more forward arrows, click on those and forward it on, till you get "the first time" which is the 4th one. Perfect for our boys.  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 03, 2006, 11:34:06 am
Quote from: ranchgal on October 03, 2006, 10:42:12 am

I really like this though I may change the outside shape alittle, it could be something meaningful and Ennis type practical at the same time.

Ranchgal, this buckle is perfect for Ennis.  Smooth the edges and fix the center horse like you said.  It is PERFECT.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 03, 2006, 11:36:03 am
Sorry, I guess the idea is from Magicmountain.  No slight intended.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 03, 2006, 11:47:11 am
Quote from: littleguitar on October 03, 2006, 09:12:35 am
I love the idea of Hugh Laurie, also Ralph Feinnes....  ::) Both are beautiful, beautiful men...

Someone said Rupert Everett is too young... I thought he was going on 50 or already there?

That was me who said that, and I now realise you are probably right!   :laugh:   

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 03, 2006, 11:48:10 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 03, 2006, 09:19:30 am
OK What about the following horse motif with the middle horse in red garnet overlaid on a silver backing to symbolise the Red Stallion where Ennis and Ellery first met.

(http://www.selectlinesdenver.com/ebay/BB-S003b.JPG)

I absolutely love this one.  Great find.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi2 on October 03, 2006, 12:06:29 pm
June if you see someone called souxi2 it,s me lol. I made a right pigs ear of something, so you,ll have to reply to "that" pm to this name lol. derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr @ me. ::) ::) ::)
and not only that, but I cant remember how to do a siggy now. I,m having a real dork day today lol. ffs.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 12:13:24 pm
Quote from: souxi2 on October 03, 2006, 12:06:29 pm
June if you see someone called souxi2 it,s me lol. I made a right pigs ear of something, so you,ll have to reply to "that" pm to this name lol. derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr @ me. ::) ::) ::)
and not only that, but I cant remember how to do a siggy now. I,m having a real dork day today lol. ffs.  ::) ::) ::)

You are still listed with your 123 posts...haven't turned into a guest or anything.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 12:20:09 pm
Quote from: souxi2 on October 03, 2006, 12:06:29 pm
June if you see someone called souxi2 it,s me lol. I made a right pigs ear of something, so you,ll have to reply to "that" pm to this name lol. derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr @ me. ::) ::) ::)
and not only that, but I cant remember how to do a siggy now. I,m having a real dork day today lol. ffs.  ::) ::) ::)
FFS! What on earth did you do??  ::)   ;D

I'm getting around to replying to *that* pm!  ;) RL has been a bitch today  ::)  >:( I haven't even read the latest chapters yet  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 12:25:05 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 03, 2006, 09:19:30 am
OK What about the following horse motif with the middle horse in red garnet overlaid on a silver backing to symbolise the Red Stallion where Ennis and Ellery first met.

(http://www.selectlinesdenver.com/ebay/BB-S003b.JPG)
This is my favourite one, it's really beautiful. Love the idea of the middle horse in red garnet  :)
Thanks Jo  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 12:27:29 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 09:27:13 am

And this, the "Cheyenne belt" features a hair-on inlay silver concho with a star. Silver studs outline both the inlay and concho. The buckle is silver.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/c40715_L.jpg)

I actually like this one quite a bit. Ellery, dear, if you need any shopping help, my phone number is....

Leslie

But I also REALLY LOVE this belt too, so now I don't know anymore which one to choose!  ::)  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 12:29:22 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 03, 2006, 11:10:05 am
Elloooo June. Right, when you click on the link, in the top right hand side of the page is the name of the first song playing...pretty baby I think it is. Then there are a set of 2 small arrows like you get on a tape recorder? then a play one, then a square and 2 more forward arrows, click on those and forward it on, till you get "the first time" which is the 4th one. Perfect for our boys.  :P
Thanks! I'll give it another go!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 12:41:58 pm

Update!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/126987.html  "Chapter 7:  Down at the Rumor Mill"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi2 on October 03, 2006, 01:35:30 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 12:20:09 pm
FFS! What on earth did you do??  ::)   ;D

I'm getting around to replying to *that* pm!  ;) RL has been a bitch today  ::)  >:( I haven't even read the latest chapters yet  :'( :'(

I was trying to change something in my profile and somehow I made a right pigs ear of it and NOW I have to sign in with this nic and I had to change my e-mail etc etc. ffs, so I,m back to zero posts lol. ffs, It started at the school you know.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 01:40:47 pm
you could... get phillip to reset your password if you like.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 03, 2006, 01:54:57 pm
What fun!

Love all the discussions.

1.  Cool pics with all the belt buckles!  I'm partial to silver myself.  Kind a like the idea of the red garnet stallion in the middle; it would have a special significance fer sure.   8)

2.  Re: Chapter 7:  Veeerrrrrrrrry iiiiiinteresting ... on numerous levels.   :-X

3.  I'm never sure whether it is better to post comments/feedback here or on the LJ.  I am easily confused.   ???
 :laugh:  Don't mind me.

4.  I've always liked Roger Moore, but he is pretty old now.  Do we know yet how old Chas is supposed to be?  I can't remember if that was addressed or not.  I suffer from CRS.   ::)
How about Hugh Grant if he's the right age range?  Just thinking out loud here.   :)

Hugs,
NV
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 02:02:33 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on October 03, 2006, 01:54:57 pm

3.  I'm never sure whether it is better to post comments/feedback here or on the LJ.  I am easily confused.   ???
 :laugh:  Don't mind me.


You can post comments anywhere, of course, but one advantage of posting them here is that it is easier to be a bit more interactive in terms of discussion. I prefer it here, myself, and I also feel that we are among friends.

And we have the advantage of pictures, too, for good looking men and belt buckles!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 02:03:49 pm
Quote from: souxi2 on October 03, 2006, 01:35:30 pm
I was trying to change something in my profile and somehow I made a right pigs ear of it and NOW I have to sign in with this nic and I had to change my e-mail etc etc. ffs, so I,m back to zero posts lol. ffs, It started at the school you know.  ;) ;) ;)
Ahhhh, the school! That explains everything  :P  ;)  :-X  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi2 on October 03, 2006, 02:25:39 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 03, 2006, 01:40:47 pm
you could... get phillip to reset your password if you like.

Good idea Louise, I,ve done just that, fingers crossed lol. Right, I,m off for the night now. Lets hope I dont get so erm distracted tomorow eh June?  ;) ;) ;) Nite all, nite June. Be good. ;) ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 02:39:28 pm
I am sooooo bummed out.

I wrote a special getting fancy chapter today, and about 3 hours ago my counter server stopped recording!  It's like looking at a stopped clock!

Eeeeee!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ballymay on October 03, 2006, 02:53:00 pm
Louise,

That's because it went through the roof.... it can only take so much ;D

Jane
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 03, 2006, 03:05:12 pm
oh Louise that special getting fancy chapter was indeed very special, and not just all the getting fancy part of it.


SPOILER SPOILER

"He was beginning to trust in the predictability of their love, to count on this pleasure as if it was to be expected"


brillant, what a wonderful statement. Such an important thought right in the middle of some serious getting fancy. I love the way you do that louise. thanks  :-*

Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 03:13:27 pm
Quote from: ballymay on October 03, 2006, 02:53:00 pm
Louise,

That's because it went through the roof.... it can only take so much ;D

Jane

you may have a point!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 03:15:31 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 03, 2006, 03:05:12 pm
oh Louise that special getting fancy chapter was indeed very special, and not just all the getting fancy part of it.


SPOILER SPOILER

"He was beginning to trust in the predictability of their love, to count on this pleasure as if it was to be expected"


brillant, what a wonderful statement. Such an important thought right in the middle of some serious getting fancy. I love the way you do that louise. thanks  :-*

Fabienne

thank you Fabienne.  One thing that became clear to me as I was starting to write the Ennis and Ellery portions of this book is that their vacation, their vigil together on Brokeback, the family interactions, Ellery's chest injury and their solitary time together in Dubois effected a change between them, so that rather than the courtship and negotiation elements that were a part of the first several books - they are settling into a more permanent state of mind... a marriage, as Wes would say.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on October 03, 2006, 03:43:51 pm
thank you Fabienne.  One thing that became clear to me as I was starting to write the Ennis and Ellery portions of this book is that their vacation, their vigil together on Brokeback, the family interactions, Ellery's chest injury and their solitary time together in Dubois effected a change between them, so that rather than the courtship and negotiation elements that were a part of the first several books - they are settling into a more permanent state of mind... a marriage, as Wes would say

Louise,  I was thinking the same thing.  The guys are really emotionally ready to commit.  They have delt with each others "stuff" Ya know?  Ellery dealing with Jack's ghost, Ennis's family, and Ennis dealing with Ellery's job, Beagle and Ellery's health issues and they are still there for each other. It's time.  Take the plunge. 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 03, 2006, 03:54:45 pm
Quote from: gn411 on October 03, 2006, 03:43:51 pm
Louise,  I was thinking the same thing.  The guys are really emotionally ready to commit.  They have delt with each others "stuff" Ya know?  Ellery dealing with Jack's ghost, Ennis's family, and Ennis dealing with Ellery's job, Beagle and Ellery's health issues and they are still there for each other. It's time.  Take the plunge. 

This happened in the last chapter of The Long Way Home, where Ennis and Ellery talk about feelling engaged.

Ennis took a breath, and let it out shakily. “Yer upset about what I said up there, about wantin ta be buried with Jack,” he said, his voice colorless, his face still as stone.

“I was upset. Mainly cause I was a little scared. Every time you go up there I got the wild idea you ain’t gonna come back down. Ya got that look in yer eye, boy, when you was up there, a look I never saw there. An I thought – his heart is already spoken for. But –“

“Ellery –“ Ennis tried to interrupt, and Ellery held up his hand.

“Please, Ennis, just let me say it. I got ta be honest here. Ya proved me wrong. You ain’t never gonna treat me like Jack cause I ain’t Jack, an you ain’t never gonna love me like Jack, an that’s a good thing. I don’t want ta take that away from ya, an if ya want ta be buried up there, then ... then that’s okay by me.”

“Oh.” Ennis seemed surprised by the declaration.

“I ain’t done here. I just want ya ta know... I am in this for the long haul, Ennis. I love you an I want you, an I ain’t never felt this way about nobody before. I want there ta be no doubt that I belong ta you, an that you belong ta me, like you said that night when we made that toast. I like ta think... that was us gettin engaged.”

“I guess it was.”

“I want ta get somethin for our engagement, Ennis. I want ta give ya somethin that tells ya I am committed to ya. A token.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 04:12:38 pm
hey folks,

Natali and I are chatting in the chat room about the latest developments in Laramie... if you havent tried it out yet, give Chat a chance by clicking on the red lips at the top of the screen where it says "chat" and come talk to us!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on October 03, 2006, 04:19:30 pm
This happened in the last chapter of The Long Way Home, where Ennis and Ellery talk about feelling engaged

I was thinking of something more public.  The acceptance of the token, telling Wes and Edna, Ennis' s girls and their friends. Take the plung guys, easy to have the conversation as pillow talk, but going public, even to your friends..  Can Ennis do it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 03, 2006, 04:22:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 03, 2006, 01:40:47 pm
you could... get phillip to reset your password if you like.
                    how do i do that
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 04:30:43 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on October 03, 2006, 04:22:07 pm
                    how do i do that


My message was to SOUXI about her account on BETTERMOST.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 03, 2006, 04:59:38 pm
Louise, just wanted to jump on and say how much I'm loving the newest book in the saga. Jeeves seems like a great character, I can't wait to see what you do with him! :)
Just a quick question. I am still  catching up on the early books and would love to know at what point does Ennis and Ellery's relationship become deeper and more of a love relationship? I have read ( several times) how they meet and their first "intimate" encounter, but would love to read the bits where they declared their love for the first time and haven't found it yet?  ???
BTW  my Ellery is in a new BBC drama starting on Saturday. It's a dramatisation of Robin Hood, and he's playing Guy of Gisbourne. It's been much hyped over here, and he's looking even more like I imagine Ellery, long locks and smouldering grey eyes! :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 03, 2006, 05:05:43 pm
SPOILER


I'm a little curious about the latest chapter. Ellery seems overly interested about Dupree and who he may or may not be getting it on with. He generally deflects gossip and comments about his own personal life (and we all know how tight lipped Ennis is on the subject).

Sooo... why is Ellery asking all and sundry about Dupree's private business?  ???

I do like the chapters set in the bar - we need Ellery back in his blue boots, charming the punters, especially with Ennis watching!  ;D

Sorry to hear about the probs with your server Louise. Hope it's not spoiled your evening.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 05:11:15 pm
Quote from: katecaton on October 03, 2006, 04:59:38 pm
BTW  my Ellery is in a new BBC drama starting on Saturday. It's a dramatisation of Robin Hood, and he's playing Guy of Gisbourne. It's been much hyped over here, and he's looking even more like I imagine Ellery, long locks and smouldering grey eyes! :P
Ooooh - is 'your' Ellery Hugh Jackman?? Because if he is, I'll be glued to the tv f'sure!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 05:12:49 pm
Quote from: katecaton on October 03, 2006, 04:59:38 pm
Louise, just wanted to jump on and say how much I'm loving the newest book in the saga. Jeeves seems like a great character, I can't wait to see what you do with him! :)
Just a quick question. I am still  catching up on the early books and would love to know at what point does Ennis and Ellery's relationship become deeper and more of a love relationship? I have read ( several times) how they meet and their first "intimate" encounter, but would love to read the bits where they declared their love for the first time and haven't found it yet?  ???
BTW  my Ellery is in a new BBC drama starting on Saturday. It's a dramatisation of Robin Hood, and he's playing Guy of Gisbourne. It's been much hyped over here, and he's looking even more like I imagine Ellery, long locks and smouldering grey eyes! :P

oooh!  are there any publicity photos on the web about this BBC thing?  This I must see?

As far as your question goes: there is a moment where Ellery mentions to Ennis that he has a theory that Ennis might not like, and a couple of times Ennis gives himself a stare-down in the mirror in the bathroom, questioning what is happening to him with Ellery, and these I believe are the beginnings of their realization of being in love.  And Ellery seems far more aware than Ennis, at first, that it is happening.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 05:14:40 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 03, 2006, 05:05:43 pm
SPOILER


I'm a little curious about the latest chapter. Ellery seems overly interested about Dupree and who he may or may not be getting it on with. He generally deflects gossip and comments about his own personal life (and we all know how tight lipped Ennis is on the subject).

Sooo... why is Ellery asking all and sundry about Dupree's private business?  ???

Karen

ahhh, very good question.  Because right now - Ellery can't figure out what the heck Dupree is up to, or why he is letting people believe he is accepting advances from Jeeves!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 05:15:43 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 03, 2006, 05:05:43 pm
SPOILER

Sooo... why is Ellery asking all and sundry about Dupree's private business?  ???

I do like the chapters set in the bar - we need Ellery back in his blue boots, charming the punters, especially with Ennis watching!  ;D

Sorry to hear about the probs with your server Louise. Hope it's not spoiled your evening.

Karen
I've really been wondering about this too....can't stop thinking about it!  ???  :-\

Heeee! Oh, I looove that too! Loved how worried Ennis was about Ellery wearing his earring too!  ;D

These chapters at the Red Stallion are just so damn entertaining, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 05:17:23 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 03, 2006, 05:14:40 pm
ahhh, very good question.  Because right now - Ellery can't figure out what the heck Dupree is up to, or why he is letting people believe he is accepting advances from Jeeves!
But why would he care so much?? That's what I'm trying to figure out!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 03, 2006, 05:19:57 pm
Thanks Louise, can you tell me which book it's in?
I'm afraid it's not Hugh Jackman, and yes there are loads of pics on the bbc website. He's called Richard Armitage.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/ramonet4.jpg)
Here he is as Monet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 05:26:33 pm
Kate:

The first mention of Ellery's theory is in "Taking Chances"

Chapter 74:  Already Missing You

Ennis gives himself a talking to in the mirror in:

Chapter 75:   Home to Roost
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 03, 2006, 05:27:55 pm
Oh, thanks!  :)

He's quite yummy too!  ;D

If it's on BBC1 or 2 I'll be watching!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 03, 2006, 05:28:10 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 03, 2006, 05:26:33 pm
Kate:

The first mention of Ellery's theory is in "Taking Chances"

Chapter 74:  Already Missing You

Ennis gives himself a talking to in the mirror in:

Chapter 75:   Home to Roost

yOU'RE A STAR, THANKS lOUISE :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 03, 2006, 05:42:46 pm
you are quite welcome Kate!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 03, 2006, 09:18:10 pm
Quote from: katecaton on October 03, 2006, 05:19:57 pm
Thanks Louise, can you tell me which book it's in?
I'm afraid it's not Hugh Jackman, and yes there are loads of pics on the bbc website. He's called Richard Armitage.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/ramonet4.jpg)
Here he is as Monet.


Now put a bowler hat on this man and in my mind he could easily become Jeeves to me. he would also be about the right age for our men at the RS! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 04, 2006, 02:25:25 am
Morning people. Ahh thats better, it,s all sorted, I,m back to me again lol. I,m leaving my profile alone from now on lol. Mornin June. ;) ;). Ready for some more, ermmm you know, "stuff"? Thought so lol. Be good, c ya later.  ;) ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 04, 2006, 02:51:09 am
Quote from: souxi on October 04, 2006, 02:25:25 am
Morning people. Ahh thats better, it,s all sorted, I,m back to me again lol. I,m leaving my profile alone from now on lol. Mornin June. ;) ;). Ready for some more, ermmm you know, "stuff"? Thought so lol. Be good, c ya later.  ;) ;) ;D ;D
Mornin dear Souxi  ;D Glad you're all sorted again  ::)  :laugh: - "stuff"?? hehehehe

Mornin dear Louise  :) Morning all  :)
Any news yet about your situation??  :(  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 04, 2006, 04:13:45 am
I have decided to stop speculating about Dupree's sexual orientation, I'll just sit back and enjoy the story.  What I really like to see is some sort of ceremony to confirm the 'marriage' of Ennis and Ellery in front of their closest friends (Wes and Edna being the parent figures).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 04, 2006, 04:17:02 am
Quote from: yb on October 04, 2006, 04:13:45 am
I have decided to stop speculating about Dupree's sexual orientation, I'll just sit back and enjoy the story.  What I really like to see is some sort of ceremony to confirm the 'marriage' of Ennis and Ellery in front of their closest friends (Wes and Edna being the parent figures).

This is what Louise said some time back about that yb.

QUOTE:

And for those of you wondering if the Saga is going to end... I am presently seriously considering a Book VI, which I am going to title "The Red Stallion", which will take place after the boys' vacation and revolve around life at the Red Stallion, its denizens and social life as Ennis and Ellery solemnize their relationship with a personal commitment ceremony to one another.
QUOTE:

I cant wait either. I,m sure that will be a chapter that will bring tears to all our eyes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 04, 2006, 04:27:44 am
Quote from: souxi on October 04, 2006, 04:17:02 am
This is what Louise said some time back about that yb.

QUOTE:

And for those of you wondering if the Saga is going to end... I am presently seriously considering a Book VI, which I am going to title "The Red Stallion", which will take place after the boys' vacation and revolve around life at the Red Stallion, its denizens and social life as Ennis and Ellery solemnize their relationship with a personal commitment ceremony to one another.
QUOTE:

I cant wait either. I,m sure that will be a chapter that will bring tears to all our eyes.

Slaps forehead, I had completely forgotten about that sentence, I so agree that it'll bring tears to us. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 04, 2006, 04:35:43 am
Quote from: yb on October 04, 2006, 04:27:44 am
Slaps forehead, I had completely forgotten about that sentence, I so agree that it'll bring tears to us. 
*slaps forehead with yb* I'd completely forgotten too  ::)

Thanks Souxi  :) I'm really looking forward to that chapter  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 04:47:26 am
Emphasis on "personal."

While it is all well and good to think of how sweet it would be to have Ennis and Ellery exchanging tokens of love and a slow dance on the Red Stallion dance floor to the gushing smiles of Pookie and friends...

neither Ennis nor Ellery are men who approve of or indulge in public displays of affection, and Ennis is still taking his first toddling steps out of the closet.  Part of the dramatic impact of Brokeback Mountain is the extreme privateness and hiddenness, particularly of Ennis's homosexuality, and that will not change overnight.

Sorry, guys!  it just is not in character for there to be some big ceremony in public.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 04, 2006, 05:01:53 am
OK, overlooking again.  I know, that's one of my concern about Ennis, too.  But is it possible that they'd do it in front of just Wes & Edna?  I don't care about the others, but they love Ellery so much and they have accepted Ennis as their 2nd son, I really hope Ennis can come around and accept this idea.  Of course, I'm not pushing at all, Louise.  Whatever you decide is fine with me.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 04, 2006, 05:04:08 am
Quote from: louisev on October 03, 2006, 05:26:33 pm
Kate:

The first mention of Ellery's theory is in "Taking Chances"

Chapter 74:  Already Missing You

Ennis gives himself a talking to in the mirror in:

Chapter 75:   Home to Roost

I just read them Louise ( supposed to be working but what the hey!). I always felt Ellery had great emotional intelligence, so of course it would have to be him who noticed that their feelings were deepening. " It means we're falling in love" ::)
I love the way Ennis can't then get that thought out of his mind. It always takes him so long to analyse how he feels, bless him :-*
Great writing as always, Louise and thanks for pointing me to the right bits.
Well I guess I'd better get on with some work. Will keep looking for updates as always ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 04, 2006, 05:09:15 am
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 04:47:26 am
Emphasis on "personal."

While it is all well and good to think of how sweet it would be to have Ennis and Ellery exchanging tokens of love and a slow dance on the Red Stallion dance floor to the gushing smiles of Pookie and friends...

neither Ennis nor Ellery are men who approve of or indulge in public displays of affection, and Ennis is still taking his first toddling steps out of the closet.  Part of the dramatic impact of Brokeback Mountain is the extreme privateness and hiddenness, particularly of Ennis's homosexuality, and that will not change overnight.

Sorry, guys!  it just is not in character for there to be some big ceremony in public.

Morning everyone.  I agree with you Louise, I had never imagined Ennis and Ellery having any kind of ceremony in front of anyone, certainly not in The Red Stallion, and not even in front of Wes and Edna.  They are not into that, and certainly not Ennis.  I think a private and personal ceremony between themselves, will be just as important, just as meaningful, just as beautiful and emotional as anything that would take place in front of other people.

I will get my tissues at the ready when that chapter comes around.  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 04, 2006, 05:44:26 am
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 04:47:26 am

Sorry, guys!  it just is not in character for there to be some big ceremony in public.

I agree - don't see the boys having some sort of ceremony with witnesses - just something really private and tender between them. Even the token that Ellery wants to get has to be something reletively discreet or Ennis will baulk at it.

What I'm wondering is whether Ennis will freak after Ellery has seen his lawyer to make the 'arrangements' that he was discussing with Wes.

Kind of OT (hope I'll be forgiven) - but are any of you UK/Europe based LS fans thinking of going to the London BBM screening that Christie is involved in organising?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 04, 2006, 05:57:41 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 04, 2006, 05:44:26 am
I agree - don't see the boys having some sort of ceremony with witnesses - just something really private and tender between them. Even the token that Ellery wants to get has to be something reletively discreet or Ennis will baulk at it.

What I'm wondering is whether Ennis will freak after Ellery has seen his lawyer to make the 'arrangements' that he was discussing with Wes.

Kind of OT (hope I'll be forgiven) - but are any of you UK/Europe based LS fans thinking of going to the London BBM screening that Christie is involved in organising?

Karen

I didn't know there was one! I would love to go. I was just thinking this morning how I'd love to see it on the big screen again. Is it in London?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 06:00:06 am
 ???

 I can't plan anything because I don't know if I am coming or going... and I don't mean that in the good way!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 04, 2006, 06:15:10 am
Quote from: katecaton on October 04, 2006, 05:57:41 am
I didn't know there was one! I would love to go. I was just thinking this morning how I'd love to see it on the big screen again. Is it in London?

Yes, see here http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=4594.0

If you're up for it let Christie know as soon as you can.

I'm very excited as I only discovered BBM on DVD and so have never seen it on the big screen. Not sure about 30 of us blundering around Leicester Square with red puffy eyes weeping uncontrollably mind you.

Karen

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 06:16:11 am
Quote from: yb on October 04, 2006, 04:13:45 am
I have decided to stop speculating about Dupree's sexual orientation, I'll just sit back and enjoy the story.  What I really like to see is some sort of ceremony to confirm the 'marriage' of Ennis and Ellery in front of their closest friends (Wes and Edna being the parent figures).

I guess we have to wait for the story to unfold. But anyhow, what's important is the commitment they make to themselves, private or public.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 04, 2006, 06:17:12 am
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 06:00:06 am
???

 I can't plan anything because I don't know if I am coming or going... and I don't mean that in the good way!

Louise - no news on your contract yet? Come to London -  the British helpdesk industry needs you  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 06:34:13 am
things do not look good for my hanging on here.  I just need to find out who to contact there about fixing the malfunctioning helpdesks in London!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 04, 2006, 06:39:14 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 04, 2006, 06:15:10 am
Yes, see here http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=4594.0

If you're up for it let Christie know as soon as you can.

I'm very excited as I only discovered BBM on DVD and so have never seen it on the big screen. Not sure about 30 of us blundering around Leicester Square with red puffy eyes weeping uncontrollably mind you.

Karen



Having just seen the movie on a big screen in Boston with 17 fellow Brokies, I can tell you, it is a very moving experience. I saw the movie 6 times in the theater and most of the times it was good--there was one viewing with blabbing teenagers and cellphones, but the other 5 were quality experiences. Still, something about being in a theater with a group of like minded people, really makes a difference. I would encourage you to get to the London screening, if at all possible.

And believe it or not, I didn't cry--well, just a few tears. However, there were a few in the theater who more than made up for my lack of tearful emotion. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 04, 2006, 07:00:25 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 04, 2006, 06:39:14 am
Having just seen the movie on a big screen in Boston with 17 fellow Brokies, I can tell you, it is a very moving experience. I saw the movie 6 times in the theater and most of the times it was good--there was one viewing with blabbing teenagers and cellphones, but the other 5 were quality experiences. Still, something about being in a theater with a group of like minded people, really makes a difference. I would encourage you to get to the London screening, if at all possible.

And believe it or not, I didn't cry--well, just a few tears. However, there were a few in the theater who more than made up for my lack of tearful emotion. LOL

L

I've just sent a message saying I want to go. Other half will just have to take care of the kids for me! It would be great as you say MaineWriter to see it with a group of real fans. I saw it 6 times too, and some of the audiences were downright ignorant!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 07:02:12 am
It has occurred to me that we have relatively little in the gallery to help us visualise the Red Stallion. For example do we have photos of the interior and exterior? To kick things off I thought I would offer the following as possible logos for external signage, stationery etc. What’s your choice?


(http://www.bevnet.com/images/reviews/redstallion/redstallion-logo.jpg)

(http://nhydefineart.typepad.com/bijou/images/red_stallion_icon_2.jpg)

(http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~ceh43/redstallion3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 07:16:36 am
One thing to bear in mind is that the Red Stallion is a semi-private club, and does not advertise itself as anything more than a "Men's Billiard and Drinking Club."  Therefore its signage is subtle, and the only thing it does advertise is "Billiards."  Ellery bought it as an aging, run-down billiard room and had it refurbished with a bar and kitchen.  It doesnt take much to fill it up.  The "back room" has the single pool table, jukebox, and four-person tables, and the front area has the bar, entryway, and hall leading to the bathrooms.  Ellery's (miniscule) office is behind the bar, and there is a small kitchen next to that which is also entered from behind the bar.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 08:11:36 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/127354.html  "Chapter 8:  Road Hazard"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 04, 2006, 08:16:29 am
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 07:16:36 am
One thing to bear in mind is that the Red Stallion is a semi-private club, and does not advertise itself as anything more than a "Men's Billiard and Drinking Club."  Therefore its signage is subtle, and the only thing it does advertise is "Billiards."  Ellery bought it as an aging, run-down billiard room and had it refurbished with a bar and kitchen.  It doesnt take much to fill it up.  The "back room" has the single pool table, jukebox, and four-person tables, and the front area has the bar, entryway, and hall leading to the bathrooms.  Ellery's (miniscule) office is behind the bar, and there is a small kitchen next to that which is also entered from behind the bar.

I don't know why but reading this about The Red Stallion I felt all warm inside, knowing as we do the place and the people who frequent it.  It was the mention of Ellery's office that set me off.    ;D  Silly really, considering the place not even real. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 08:44:12 am
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 08:11:36 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/127354.html  "Chapter 8:  Road Hazard"

Since Ellery has a big mouth, I guess he'll "casually" mention this Bonnie Ruskin ordeal to Wes some of these days. You know, acting like a jealous husband and all. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 04, 2006, 08:49:47 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 04, 2006, 08:16:29 am
I don't know why but reading this about The Red Stallion I felt all warm inside, knowing as we do the place and the people who frequent it.  It was the mention of Ellery's office that set me off.    ;D  Silly really, considering the place not even real. 


The place isn't real? Ellery's not real? Tell that to my brain, that dreams about him every night! LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 04, 2006, 08:58:49 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 04, 2006, 08:49:47 am
The place isn't real? Ellery's not real? Tell that to my brain, that dreams about him every night! LOL

L

Dont you get me started on "those" dreams Leslie lol. I have em too, but I,m NOT printing em here lol. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 04, 2006, 09:25:31 am
Quote from: souxi on October 04, 2006, 08:58:49 am
Dont you get me started on "those" dreams Leslie lol. I have em too, but I,m NOT printing em here lol. ;) ;) ;)
hehehe
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 04, 2006, 09:39:37 am
SPOILER


Oh dear – being a bit frisky is one thing but Bunny goes way beyond that – and she knows Ennis is gay. As Ellery says she must see it as some sort of challenge. It’s cringe worthy, does Mel not see her behaviour. Did make me laugh to think of Ellery having to speak to Mel about warning her off.

Louise, she’s your creation, does she behave like this around all attractive men, or only the gay ones?

Or just our boys (which is perhaps understandable). ;D ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 09:53:02 am
you think I have any control over Bunny Ruskin?

She hopped onto the page one day and won't hop back off till she gets her claws into Ennis's tender and very gay flesh!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 04, 2006, 10:04:46 am
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 09:53:02 am
you think I have any control over Bunny Ruskin?

She hopped onto the page one day and won't hop back off till she gets her claws into Ennis's tender and very gay flesh!


Well, she'll be hopping around a long time then, if Ennis (and Ellery for that matter) have anything to do with it.

Like the sound of "Ennis's tend and very gay flesh"......I got goosebumps when I read that. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 04, 2006, 10:23:24 am
Mmmmm.... tender Ennis.

Sounds yummy  ;D

What sides would you have with that?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 10:27:04 am
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 07:16:36 am
One thing to bear in mind is that the Red Stallion is a semi-private club, and does not advertise itself as anything more than a "Men's Billiard and Drinking Club."  Therefore its signage is subtle, and the only thing it does advertise is "Billiards."  Ellery bought it as an aging, run-down billiard room and had it refurbished with a bar and kitchen.  It doesnt take much to fill it up.  The "back room" has the single pool table, jukebox, and four-person tables, and the front area has the bar, entryway, and hall leading to the bathrooms.  Ellery's (miniscule) office is behind the bar, and there is a small kitchen next to that which is also entered from behind the bar.

Are these the type of establishments you had in mind Louise?

(http://www.ghostweather.com/Pics/Photoblog2004/2004/12/30/223120_IMG_1834c.jpg)

(http://ghostdepot.com/rg/images/utah/green%20river%20pool%20hall%20building%20south%20elevation%20tlh%20Pc200020.jpg)

(http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/dc/images/rick_before.gif)

(http://www.druidcityonline.com/Slideshow%20Final/Downtown%20Tour%206-6%2003/images/3%20hatchers.jpg)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/jo-tel/The_Stud_Bar_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 04, 2006, 10:27:17 am
*SIGH*  I would have LOVED to have seen Ennis like that.....all hot and wet and sweaty.......hehehe Who can blame Bunny Ruskin??!?  :P  Although I don't think I would have had the guts to actually touch him like she did!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 10:40:56 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 10:27:04 am
Are these the type of establishments you had in mind Louise?



(http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/dc/images/rick_before.gif)


This one meets the "has an upstairs apartment" criteria and doesn't look quite so decrepit.  It is in the "nice" part of town so it isn't quite as run-down as the Red Lips Bar.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 04, 2006, 10:49:48 am
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 10:40:56 am
This one meets the "has an upstairs apartment" criteria and doesn't look quite so decrepit.  It is in the "nice" part of town so it isn't quite as run-down as the Red Lips Bar.

I agree Louise, I thought this one was the one that looked the most like what you described.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 10:50:06 am
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/th_laramie.jpg) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/laramie.jpg)

(Click to enlarge)

The above pic is an actual street in Laramie,WY, so the building where the Red Stallion is should look a bit like the ones in the pic, shouldn't it? Bar below, apartment above.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on October 04, 2006, 10:58:32 am
Hi girls,

about this guy, Jeeves, I bet you any kind of money, he is either a fraud or a professional gambler. Either he plans to rip of the patrons off the Red Stallion playing (and cheating at) cards or he will very soon start to peddle some dodgy investment funds.

I mean, no real englishman would walk into an American bar wearing a bowler hat and a walking stick; does the queen wear a tiara when she is walking her welsh corgies? No, she wears a head scarf and wellies. A bowler hat may be ok when working somewhere in Embankment, but in a mens club it is out of place.
This guy is probabely as british as George W. Bush or Kentucky Fried Chicken. I even doubt he is gay, just makes believe to gain the trust of the men at the Stallion.

Now Dupree is a detective and he most likely smelled a rat; so he plays cards with Jeeves, talks to him when on duty and just bides his time, till he can figure out what the evil plans of the false brit are.

There is now way Dupree is attracted to Jeeves - in my opinion he might experiment a bit with Lance, but this is as far as it goes. We shall see what happens in the future, but to me, his out of place attire and attitude (no upper or upper middle class englishman would boast about the money he ownes ) makes him a prime suspect for fraud !!

"waitingimpatientlyasever"

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 10:59:44 am
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/th_laramiebar.jpg) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/laramiebar.jpg)

(Click to enlarge)

And this is a bar in Laramie, WY. Sort of fits the description of the Red Stallion, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 04, 2006, 11:03:29 am
Quote
Mmmmm.... tender Ennis.

Sounds yummy  Grin

What sides would you have with that?

A side of Ellerycakes, of course.  With K-Y on top.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 04, 2006, 11:21:12 am
Ellerycakes reminded me that I wanted to post this...

SALLY'S DEVILISHLY GOOD DEVILED EGGS

6 hard-cooked eggs, peeled and cut lengthwise
¼ cup mayonnaise (Sally recommends Hellman's!)
½ teaspoon dry ground mustard
½ teaspoon white vinegar
1/8 teaspoon salt
¼ teaspoon ground black pepper
Paprika for garnish

Pop out (remove) the egg yolks to a small bowl and mash with a fork. Add mayonnaise, mustard powder, vinegar, salt and pepper and mix thoroughly. Fill the empty egg white shells with the mixture and sprinkle lightly with paprika.

Cover lightly with plastic wrap and refridgerate for up to one day before serving.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 04, 2006, 11:30:40 am
Maybe they could try some pickled eggs, served in a nice crunchy packet of bacon wheat crunchies...yum.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 04, 2006, 11:32:14 am
Quote from: souxi on October 04, 2006, 11:30:40 am
Maybe they could try some pickled eggs, served in a nice crunchy packet of bacon wheat crunchies...yum.



Pickled eggs...how many bars have I been in with a big jar of these on the counter. I have never eaten one and don't intend to, ever! LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 12:07:52 pm
Quote from: caramelle58 on October 04, 2006, 10:58:32 am
Hi girls,

about this guy, Jeeves, I bet you any kind of money, he is either a fraud or a professional gambler. Either he plans to rip of the patrons off the Red Stallion playing (and cheating at) cards or he will very soon start to peddle some dodgy investment funds.

well, Caramelle, you certainly have put a lot of thought into old Jeevesy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 04, 2006, 01:03:26 pm
Oh, my!  We're up to 500 pages here!   :o

I had a feel good morning.   :D   Posted a new segment of my fanfic last night and got 3 whole feedback comments already. (*happy dance*)
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Warning:
Spoilery content about LS Chapter 8: Road Hazard  below

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Grrrr!  I hate that witch Bunny - She's evil ... EVIL, I say.
Poor Ennis!  The fact that her creepy behavior makes him SO uncomfortable makes it sexual harrassment.
I just can't find anything cute or funny about that or her character.  JMHO.
Of course, this was the early '80's, and I remember it well (I was active duty at the time) - that was prior to when all the sexual harrassment issues, sensitivity training and zero tolerance in the work place came about.  Though it was usually men who instigated such intolerable situations against women, women can be just as capable of that type of smarmy behavior.  Goes both ways.
As an  MST Survivor, this chapter's theme affected me hard, but that's just me.  Harrassment and bullying are big pet peeve issues for me.  I very much feel for and relate to Ennis's discomfiture right now and find myself hoping he gets help with dealing with Bunny.  That woman needs to be knocked down a peg or two!

Thanx for letting me vent,
*getting off soapbox now*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 01:16:51 pm
WHOO HEE 500 PAGES!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 01:20:14 pm
well NV, I didn't mean to trigger off something in you... however, there are a couple of points that perhaps should be spelled out to put Bunny in context:

First off, the only reason why Ennis isn't blowing her off and kicking her on her wrinkled keester is because she is an old woman, and the wife of the D.A.  And her interest in Ennis is more on the order of a bizarre little quirk of a woman who doesn't know she is being much too obvious about drooling over well built men who are out of reach.  She can't really do him any harm, and she doesn't really have any power over him, nor is she attempting to exercise it.  She is just being a creepy, lusty old woman.

Secondly, if she did actually make a real pass, Ellery would rat her out to her husband the D.A., which might lead to their inevitable divorce.  The discretion of the people around him have kept Mel in a state of artificial awareness for some time now.  So it is less a matter of Ennis "enduring harrassment" than he and Ellery managing a situation with a mildly nutty woman who would suffer a lot more from being revealed for her little quirks than Ennis would suffer having her slaver over him.  She is doing more of a making herself available type of thing, throwing herself at men who are bound to turn her down, (like homosexuals) and nothing has ever really come of it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 02:03:43 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/127688.html  "Chapter 9: Surprises"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 04, 2006, 02:14:03 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 01:16:51 pm
WHOO HEE 500 PAGES!!

only 4 posts away from 5000 posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 02:24:31 pm
whoo wee, well let's make it tonight folks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 04, 2006, 02:44:22 pm
Everyone has gone quiet when we are so close to 5000 ...  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 04, 2006, 02:45:18 pm
..... So am giving it a not-so-subtle nudge ...

1 more to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Who wants to post the 5000th?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 04, 2006, 02:48:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 01:20:14 pm
First off, the only reason why Ennis isn't blowing her off and kicking her on her wrinkled keester is because she is an old woman, and the wife of the D.A.  And her interest in Ennis is more on the order of a bizarre little quirk of a woman who doesn't know she is being much too obvious about drooling over well built men who are out of reach.  She can't really do him any harm, and she doesn't really have any power over him, nor is she attempting to exercise it.  She is just being a creepy, lusty old woman.


Ah, creepy - that is the best word for Bunny.  I realize that at her 'age', she probably believes what she's doing is harmless flirting and doesn't even understand that what she's doing could be construed as the female version of a lecherous, dirty old man, so to speak.  She did, after all, go beyond ogling at him and got into his personal space and touched him.  
Knowing how Ennis is, as we do, his reaction to her was typical and normal; he did his best to get away from and avoid the embarassing and uncomfortable situation.  He was pretty 'creeped' out and I thought you did an excellent job of portraying that feeling.  At least, that's what I got out of it.  So real - it gave me a moment of 'heebie-jeebies, as well.  Well done.
No worries!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 04, 2006, 02:53:13 pm
NV was all business in that 5000th post ..lol ...
Ok..so I'll say it:


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/Fun/da133d11.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 04, 2006, 02:58:33 pm
Oh, shit! I just saw that was #5000.  Eeeeek! :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 04, 2006, 03:00:35 pm
Congrats on 5000 posts on the EE thread!!!  :o :o :o. Nite all, nite June. ;) ;) C ya tomorow peeps. xxx
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 03:02:15 pm
YAY!  5000!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 04, 2006, 03:15:05 pm
Now that we know what Ellery has in mind, how about this?

Crazy coyote howling at the moon. Natural Sleeping Beauty turquoise.
Sterling Silver
2 1/8” X 1 ¾”


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/coyotebuckle.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 03:30:17 pm
I think I saw that one, which is what gave me the original plot idea...

muahahahahaha
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 03:31:19 pm
That belt buckle is nice Les. I also found this one. What do you think?

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/coyotepicturebeltbuckle.jpg)

It is called: Coyote Serenading the Moon. It sort has something about Jack in it too: The full moon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 04, 2006, 03:36:38 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 03:31:19 pm
That belt buckle is nice Les. I also found this one. What do you think?

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/coyotepicturebeltbuckle.jpg)

It is called: Coyote Serenading the Moon. It sort has something about Jack in it too: The full moon.

I like that one, too...personally, I like the more "edgy" design in the one I found, but that might be too modern for Ennis and he might prefer this more traditional sort of look.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 03:42:34 pm
I like #2 better as well. Ennis is very traditional.  Except in how he likes to get fancy with his man of course.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 04, 2006, 03:49:36 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 03:31:19 pm
That belt buckle is nice Les. I also found this one. What do you think?

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/coyotepicturebeltbuckle.jpg)

It is called: Coyote Serenading the Moon. It sort has something about Jack in it too: The full moon.

That's my favorite so far. Am partial to coyotes, plus it has some reference to the 1963 summer.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 04, 2006, 03:58:53 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 03:42:34 pm
I like #2 better as well. Ennis is very traditional.  Except in how he likes to get fancy with his man of course.
Hehehehe, of course  :P

I like nr. 2 better for Ennis as well, in fact, I thinks it's really great  :) 

Oh Louise (I already said this on your journal but I want to say it here as well)  you are just the GREATEST coming up with all these fantastic ideas and plots and OC's  and nicknames! It's truly unbelieveble and I LOVE it!  :)

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 04:03:43 pm
muah!

Now, am I wonderful enough to move to Rotterdam for a few weeks and stay with you while I find another job in Europe? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 04, 2006, 04:06:57 pm
Now that we are back on the subject of belt buckles:


Simon was toying with the idea of showing Ellery something like:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/cb7b589a-1.jpg)


But now that Mr. Coyote has spoken .. some options are:

(1)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bdf27fa6-1.jpg)

(2)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bdf27fa6.jpg)

(3)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/c86f4098.jpg)

(4)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/c86f4098-1.jpg)

(5)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/c86f4098-2.jpg)




I am partial to (3) and (5) myself!    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 04, 2006, 04:25:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 04:03:43 pm
muah!

Now, am I wonderful enough to move to Rotterdam for a few weeks and stay with you while I find another job in Europe? 
;D  ;D  ;D

OMG! haha - do you have to leave Germany then?? I'm online now on MSN if you want to chat for a bit?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 04, 2006, 04:29:16 pm
Milli ~ I like 1 and Natali's belt buckle  :)

Thanks for posting so many of them  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 04, 2006, 04:38:41 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 04, 2006, 04:06:57 pm
Now that we are back on the subject of belt buckles:


Simon was toying with the idea of showing Ellery something like:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/cb7b589a-1.jpg)


But now that Mr. Coyote has spoken .. some options are:

(1)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bdf27fa6-1.jpg)

(2)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bdf27fa6.jpg)

(3)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/c86f4098.jpg)

(4)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/c86f4098-1.jpg)

(5)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/c86f4098-2.jpg)




I am partial to (3) and (5) myself!    ;)

So many good ones!  I like the silver oval with the pearl a lot.  Numbers 1, 2, and 3 are all beautiful.  If I HAD to pick one, I'd say  # 1 is my fav.  Love the moon behind the coyote and the border, the shape, and everything.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on October 04, 2006, 04:46:14 pm
My laptop's back with all files intact! Woohoo!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bdf27fa6-1.jpg)

This one is my choice out of all of them, but it may be too intricate for Ennis' taste.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 04, 2006, 04:55:57 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 04, 2006, 04:06:57 pm
Now that we are back on the subject of belt buckles:


(3)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/c86f4098.jpg)


I am partial to (3) and (5) myself!    ;)

now I like (3)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 04, 2006, 06:32:18 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 04, 2006, 04:29:16 pm
Milli ~ I like 1 and Natali's belt buckle  :)

Thanks for posting so many of them  :-*

You know you are always welcome BigH!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 04, 2006, 06:46:43 pm
I really like #3 too---one coyote alone hunting, just like Ennis used to be.    Plus this one makes the coyote look very dominate.    Looks just like the one I hauled in the back seat of my car to the taxidermist for my then brother in law.  It was 8 below zero, and was frozen solid with a snarl on its face, and I looked at it in my rear view mirror for 2 1/2 hours---I was spooked by the time I got it unloaded, the pelt turned out beautiful though.



Quote from: louisev on October 04, 2006, 09:53:02 am
you think I have any control over Bunny Ruskin?

She hopped onto the page one day and won't hop back off till she gets her claws into Ennis's tender and very gay flesh!


Well I am not sure that Mel is the right one to talk to BUT if I were Ellery---and or Ennis---I would certainly give EDNA the heads up about Bunny---because I have a feeling that Edna would be more than up to challenge of derailing Bunny before she made Ennis any more uncomfortable---AND she may even start accompanying her when she "visits" her horse.   In my opinion, I think Edna is much stronger and maybe even more devious than Bunny ever thought of being. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 07:03:39 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 04, 2006, 06:46:43 pm
Well I am not sure that Mel is the right one to talk to BUT if I were Ellery---and or Ennis---I would certainly give EDNA the heads up about Bunny---because I have a feeling that Edna would be more than up to challenge of derailing Bunny before she made Ennis any more uncomfortable---AND she may even start accompanying her when she "visits" her horse.   In my opinion, I think Edna is much stronger and maybe even more devious than Bunny ever thought of being. LOL

I agree with Ranchgal!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 08:37:13 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 04, 2006, 10:50:06 am
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/th_laramie.jpg) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/laramie.jpg)

(Click to enlarge)

The above pic is an actual street in Laramie,WY, so the building where the Red Stallion is should look a bit like the ones in the pic, shouldn't it? Bar below, apartment above.


Is this in the gallery Lucise?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 09:22:36 pm
OK. This one shows that Ennis means business!

(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/bealscowboybuckles_1914_9202042)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 09:44:37 pm
Watch out Ennis. Here comes Bunny! :o :o :o :o

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/redhat2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 09:58:49 pm
Here is an artistic example. Note: We need to make sure not
to confuse a wolf with a coyote in the making a selection.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/coyote.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 04, 2006, 10:04:38 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 09:58:49 pm
Here is an artistic example. Note: We need to make sure not
to confuse a wolf with a coyote in the making a selection.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/coyote.jpg)

I like this one Jo...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 04, 2006, 10:10:06 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 09:58:49 pm
Here is an artistic example. Note: We need to make sure not
to confuse a wolf with a coyote in the making a selection.


How do you tell the difference on belt buckles?  They all kind of look like they could be wolf-like to me.  But then I don't know what coyotes really look like.   ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 04, 2006, 10:32:44 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 09:58:49 pm
Here is an artistic example. Note: We need to make sure not
to confuse a wolf with a coyote in the making a selection.

How nice belt buckles, you are really prompt people here!
I love this one with enamel ornaments 

And num. 2
Quote from: Lucise on October 04, 2006, 04:06:57 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/bdf27fa6.jpg)


  as it kind of depicts for me Ennis’s nature  - hard and sharp from outside like buckle outline and gentle almost delicate from inside like  drawing structure of…seems to me wolf.
So it will remind  Ennis, he is no lonely wolf  anymore  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 04, 2006, 11:38:24 pm
Quote from: synne on October 04, 2006, 10:32:44 pm
How nice belt buckles, you are really prompt people here!
I love this one with enamel ornaments 

And num. 2
  as it kind of depicts for me Ennis’s nature  - hard and sharp from outside like buckle outline and gentle almost delicate from inside like  drawing structure of…seems to me wolf.
So it will remind  Ennis, he is no lonely wolf  anymore  ;)


I agree with you here.  I like the outline of the buckle very much except that I was not too fond of the front image of the coyote/wolf initially.  Now reading your post, it makes me think that Ennis is not lonely any more.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 05, 2006, 04:15:20 am
Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) ;D What a lovely lot of belt buckles have appeared overnight. I like 3 and 5 myself. So Louise, this commitment ceremony. Are you planning on it being a totally private thing between Ennis and Ellery or  with Wes and Edna there too?(apologies if this has been decided already and I didnt see it) They are obviously like parents to Ellery. Whatever you decide, I just know it will have us all reaching for the kleenex.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 05, 2006, 04:47:45 am
All this fuss over a wet Ennis! The last time a dripping man caused this much excitement was when Mr Darcy dived in the lake to cool off his ardent desires!

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/08/28/ndarcy28a.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 05, 2006, 06:30:49 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 05, 2006, 04:47:45 am
All this fuss over a wet Ennis! The last time a dripping man caused this much excitement was when Mr Darcy dived in the lake to cool off his ardent desires!

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/08/28/ndarcy28a.jpg)

aaaaaahhhhhh, hmmmmmm
mr Darcy *sigh*

thank you for that picture!  :)  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 07:18:04 am
Well there has been a lot of belt bucklery going on around here!  ;D

My personal fave is the simple oval one with the mother of pearl - but it doesn't have a coyote on it.

Mmmmm.... a wet Ennis and a wet Mr Darcy - yummy!!

Louise - can you devise a way for us to have a wet Ellery thrown into the mix  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 05, 2006, 07:30:15 am
Quote from: souxi on October 05, 2006, 04:15:20 am
Mornin all. Mornin June.

Souxi you sound just like Eric Morcambe with your "Mornin all!" Luv it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 05, 2006, 07:32:44 am
good lord everybody... they are expecting me to WORK!!!1


the good news is that there is some movement afoot to find me a new work position.  If so I won't have to move in with June in November.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 07:35:57 am
Quote from: louisev on October 05, 2006, 07:32:44 am
good lord everybody... they are expecting me to WORK!!!1


the good news is that there is some movement afoot to find me a new work position.  If so I won't have to move in with June in November.

Oh well, there goes the plan to have a whip round to bribe June to tether you to your computer until you'd completed book 99 of the saga.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 05, 2006, 07:44:19 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 07:35:57 am
Oh well, there goes the plan to have a whip round to bribe June to tether you to your computer until you'd completed book 99 of the saga.

Kazza shhhhhhh, we can think of another plan, just dont tell Louise.  ;) ;) ;)  And yes MM I loved Eric Morcombe, he was very funny man, I,ll take that as a compliment ty. :) Morcombe and Wise was a great British institution, specially at christmas.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 05, 2006, 08:33:01 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 07:18:04 am
Louise - can you devise a way for us to have a wet Ellery thrown into the mix  ;)


Oh yes, Kazza, wet Ennis and Ellery - now thats something I'd like to see.    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 05, 2006, 08:35:04 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 05, 2006, 08:33:01 am
Oh yes, Kazza, wet Ennis and Ellery - now thats something I'd like to see.    ;)

Ooooooooooo yes Christie, what a great idea!! How about a shower scene then Louise? wooohoooo. That would get em wet and slippery, and us all hot and bothered lol. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 09:18:04 am
Well, we had that wonderful bath way back when in Taking Chances. I can't remember the chapter number, I am sure Louise will help us out.

And while we wait for E&E in the shower, I wrote a little J&E getting hot and wet..for anyone who is interested

http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/2634.html

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 09:56:45 am
Quote from: souxi on October 05, 2006, 04:15:20 am
Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) ;D
Afternoon folks  :) Afternoon Souxi  ;D You alright today??  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 09:59:08 am
Quote from: louisev on October 05, 2006, 07:32:44 am

the good news is that there is some movement afoot to find me a new work position.  If so I won't have to move in with June in November.
Phhhheww!!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D That's a relief!  ;D  ;D  ;D  :P

 ;)  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 10:03:12 am
Quote from: souxi on October 05, 2006, 08:35:04 am
Ooooooooooo yes Christie, what a great idea!! How about a shower scene then Louise? wooohoooo. That would get em wet and slippery, and us all hot and bothered lol. ;) ;) ;) ;)
How about wet, slippery, sweaty, hot and dirty out in the barn/horses stables.......!!   :o  :P

Okay, I'll shut-up now  ;D  :-X
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 10:09:42 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 09:18:04 am

And while we wait for E&E in the shower, I wrote a little J&E getting hot and wet..for anyone who is interested

http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/2634.html

L

Thanks for that interlude there Leslie.

Of course, you know that we are hanging on your next update don't you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 10:10:33 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 09:18:04 am
Well, we had that wonderful bath way back when in Taking Chances. I can't remember the chapter number, I am sure Louise will help us out.

And while we wait for E&E in the shower, I wrote a little J&E getting hot and wet..for anyone who is interested

http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/2634.html

L
Verrrrry nice Leslie  ;D

Hey Souxi, one of the horses is called Sioux!!!  :D Is this where you've got your name from?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 05, 2006, 10:47:22 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 10:03:12 am
How about wet, slippery, sweaty, hot and dirty out in the barn/horses stables.......!!   :o  :P

Okay, I'll shut-up now  ;D  :-X

No dont shup up I like the direction youre going.

How about - hot and dirty in the stables, then wet, sexy, and slippery in the shower?

Just a suggestion..... ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 05, 2006, 10:55:49 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 10:10:33 am
Verrrrry nice Leslie  ;D

Hey Souxi, one of the horses is called Sioux!!!  :D Is this where you've got your name from?

Coooooeeeee June. Yep it sure is where I got my nic from lol. I remember that chapter very well Leslie. I have almost all of ALBFS printed out now. Speaking of updates, any news on the chilli cookout? I likie the idea of dirty in the stables and wet and slippery in the shower christie. Ellery would have to give Ennis,s nooks and crannies a good going over with the sponge, just to make sure he didnt miss anything of course.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) and of course, double checking afterwards wouldnt hurt would it?  ;) ;) ;D and then Ennis could give Ellery a good old scrub with a loofah. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 05, 2006, 10:57:44 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 05, 2006, 04:47:45 am
All this fuss over a wet Ennis! The last time a dripping man caused this much excitement was when Mr Darcy dived in the lake to cool off his ardent desires!

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/08/28/ndarcy28a.jpg)

Umm ....  Forgive my ignorance but who is this 'Mr. Darcy'?    ???

Good morning all!  Right now, I am listening to the complete score of BBM.  I love the music.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 05, 2006, 10:59:40 am
Quote from: NavyVet on October 05, 2006, 10:57:44 am
Umm ....  Forgive my ignorance but who is this 'Mr. Darcy'?    ???

Good morning all!  Right now, I am listening to the complete score of BBM.  I love the music.


He was a character from a British period drama NV called Pride and Predjudice by Jane Austin. Apparantly quite a lot of women got hot under the collar over him. tbh I dont see why. I think our boys are way more handsome and sexy by miles.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 05, 2006, 11:10:12 am
Quote from: souxi on October 05, 2006, 10:59:40 am
He was a character from a British period drama NV called Pride and Predjudice by Jane Austin. Apparantly quite a lot of women got hot under the collar over him. tbh I dont see why. I think our boys are way more handsome and sexy by miles.

I am so glad you said that Souxi cos I never knew what all the fuss was about over Mr Darcy.  He does nothing for me at all.

Give me Ennis and Ellery any day.  Please. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 11:10:24 am
Quote from: souxi on October 05, 2006, 10:59:40 am
He was a character from a British period drama NV called Pride and Predjudice by Jane Austin. Apparantly quite a lot of women got hot under the collar over him. tbh I dont see why. I think our boys are way more handsome and sexy by miles.

Oooo.. Souxi - I'm afraid that I was one of those women that got hot under the collar. I loved the Jane Austen story anyway and I thought that this adaptation was perfect. As for Colin Firth *sigh*, all that restrained, smouldering passion. Do not get me started on the recent movie version though - pile of pants!

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 05, 2006, 11:11:44 am
Quote from: souxi on October 05, 2006, 10:55:49 am
Coooooeeeee June. Yep it sure is where I got my nic from lol. I remember that chapter very well Leslie. I have almost all of ALBFS printed out now. Speaking of updates, any news on the chilli cookout? I likie the idea of dirty in the stables and wet and slippery in the shower christie. Ellery would have to give Ennis,s nooks and crannies a good going over with the sponge, just to make sure he didnt miss anything of course.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) and of course, double checking afterwards wouldnt hurt would it?  ;) ;) ;D and then Ennis could give Ellery a good old scrub with a loofah. ;) ;)

Now, this is sounding interesting Souxi.  Ennis' nooks and crannies, oh yes, I'd like to see Ellery giving them a good going over.  I think Mr Coyote would be ready to get to biting once Ellery had finished with him.

Is it me, or is it hot in here.  ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 11:12:30 am
Ummmm... I feel somehow unfaithful now.

I am allowed to think of other men sometimes aren't I? Aren't I?  :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 11:14:46 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 11:12:30 am
Ummmm... I feel somehow unfaithful now.

I am allowed to think of other men sometimes aren't I? Aren't I?  :-\
Of Course you are!  ;D I do too!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 11:17:27 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 05, 2006, 11:11:44 am
Now, this is sounding interesting Souxi.  Ennis' nooks and crannies, oh yes, I'd like to see Ellery giving them a good going over.  I think Mr Coyote would be ready to get to biting once Ellery had finished with him.

Is it me, or is it hot in here.  ???
It *is* getting reallllly hot Christie......!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 11:18:41 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 11:10:24 am
Oooo.. Souxi - I'm afraid that I was one of those women that got hot under the collar. I loved the Jane Austen story anyway and I thought that this adaptation was perfect. As for Colin Firth *sigh*, all that restrained, smouldering passion. Do not get me started on the recent movie version though - pile of pants!

Karen
I really liked Colin Firth in Bridget Jone's Diary  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 05, 2006, 11:23:39 am
This place is going downhill fast.

And tomorrow I am off to see a labor lawyer since it looks like the job I thought I could just sail into I may not be able to simply sail into.  And I get to pay him €150 an hour for the privilege of telling me that!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 11:27:15 am
Ooops sorry Louise - have we gone a bit OT there?

Sorry to hear about the hassle over your contract. Why do you have to see a lawyer, can you not negotiate with employers yourself?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 05, 2006, 11:27:23 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 11:14:46 am
Of Course you are!  ;D I do too!  ;D

Traitor!!! :o :o How can you even THINK about other men? Those two take up such a large portion of my thoughts I dont have ROOM for other men lol. ;) ;) ;D ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 11:49:26 am
Quote from: souxi on October 05, 2006, 11:27:23 am
Traitor!!! :o :o How can you even THINK about other men? Those two take up such a large portion of my thoughts I dont have ROOM for other men lol. ;) ;) ;D ;D :laugh:
Whoa! haha, sowweee darlin  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 11:50:59 am
Quote from: louisev on October 05, 2006, 11:23:39 am
This place is going downhill fast.

And tomorrow I am off to see a labor lawyer since it looks like the job I thought I could just sail into I may not be able to simply sail into.  And I get to pay him €150 an hour for the privilege of telling me that!
:(   ::)  :(  ::)  :(  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 05, 2006, 12:06:11 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 09:22:36 pm
OK. This one shows that Ennis means business!

(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/bealscowboybuckles_1914_9202042)
                that one creeps me out, im sorry.  i wouldnt want something like that on my belt for the rest of my natural born life...i would rather have one that signified love and devotion.                   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 05, 2006, 12:12:11 pm
yeah, you guys might want to bring the flirting to pm!

and the reason i am going to a lawyer is to deal with the Work Authority of the German government, not the employers.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 12:15:10 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on October 05, 2006, 12:06:11 pm
                that one creeps me out, im sorry.  i wouldnt want something like that on my belt for the rest of my natural born life...i would rather have one that signified love and devotion.                   

Janice,

I agree. Is that even a coyote? It looks like some ferocious beast, like bigfoot or something.

Part of the problem I have with some of the lone coyotes howling at the moon is that they are just that...lone coyotes. Here we are talking about an engagement, two people together...not apart. But even so, I did like some of the coyote designs that were posted.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 12:25:33 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on October 05, 2006, 12:06:11 pm
                that one creeps me out, im sorry.  i wouldnt want something like that on my belt for the rest of my natural born life...i would rather have one that signified love and devotion.                   
I agree Janice. Sorry Jo....... :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 05, 2006, 12:27:35 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 12:15:10 pm
Janice,

I agree. Is that even a coyote? It looks like some ferocious beast, like bigfoot or something.

Part of the problem I have with some of the lone coyotes howling at the moon is that they are just that...lone coyotes. Here we are talking about an engagement, two people together...not apart. But even so, I did like some of the coyote designs that were posted.

L


I picked the one I posted because it seemed perfect for Ennis. It has a coyote serenading the moon, with views of a mountain and a lake. IMO it's a design that sort of describes Ennis's soul. His love for Jack: the mountain views and the moon; and his love for Ellery: the coyote howling. I thought it was perfect. I'm posting it again, in case anyone missed it. However, since its a story Louise can always describe the belt buckle she considers perfect, and problem solved.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/coyotepicturebeltbuckle.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 12:40:10 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 05, 2006, 12:27:35 pm
I picked the one I posted because it seemed perfect for Ennis. It has a coyote serenading the moon, with views of a mountain and a lake. IMO it's a design that sort of describes Ennis's soul. His love for Jack: the mountain views and the moon; and his love for Ellery: the coyote howling. I thought it was perfect. I'm posting it again, in case anyone missed it.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/coyotepicturebeltbuckle.jpg)



And I can see that, Natali. I did like yours, and I have liked some of the others, too.

One of the strengths of this design (or similar) is that it would like very traditional, maybe even ordinary, to people who see it and don't know, but for Ennis and Ellery it could have a more subtle and significant meaning.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 05, 2006, 01:09:06 pm
I wasn't aware this was a traditional or ordinary design. I thought it was original since it is inspired on a poem. Anyway, I guess I got stuck with the idea that this belt buckle wasn't just a present, but some sort of symbol. Something like the wedding bands, that are supposed to be symbols of commitment, of true love. Therefore, I thought it had to be something that was close to Ennis's soul, to who he is. I got the impression that is what Ellery is looking for. He doesn't want to give Ennis a present, he wants to give Ennis a token of his love, which is different. But it doesn't matter, I guess Louise will describe the belt buckle she considers right for the plot!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 05, 2006, 01:14:14 pm
It is a token of Ellery's commitment to Ennis.  But from the last chapter, we learned that Ellery wants Ennis to have something that has personal meaning to him, and Ennis's favorite of the nicknames Ellery has given him has been "Mr. Coyote", a name that in their personal relationship encompasses passionate, dominant and wild sexuality, and in a more traditional mode, is a common Western symbol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 01:28:53 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 05, 2006, 01:09:06 pm
I wasn't aware this was a traditional or ordinary design. I thought it was original since it is inspired on a poem. Anyway, I guess I got stuck with the idea that this belt buckle wasn't just a present, but some sort of symbol. Something like the wedding bands, that are supposed to be symbols of commitment, of true love. Therefore, I thought it had to be something that was close to Ennis's soul, to who he is. I got the impression that is what Ellery is looking for. He doesn't want to give Ennis a present, he wants to give Ennis a token of his love, which is different. But it doesn't matter, I guess Louise will describe the belt buckle she considers right for the plot!

Natali,

I agree with you about the meaning of the token/buckle and its symbolism to both Ennis and Ellery. By "traditional" or "ordinary" I meant that someone seeing it, who didn't know what it meant to E&E...it would look like a belt buckle with a traditional western theme. The fact that we can search on "coyote belt buckle" and come up with so many different designs suggests to me that it is is very common. Bears are too, but Ellery hasn't gotten to the point of calling Ennis Mr. Grizzly...yet. LOL

I think that this "secret symbolism" very important to Ennis as we all know he is very private about his relationship with Ellery. As much as I would like them both to wear rings (I am a traditionalist in that way), I think that Ennis would feel it would leave him vulnerable. "Oh, are you married? What's your wife's name?" Even a ring on his right hand might be worrisome. A buckle, on the other hand, is something every man wears. Even if someone notices it, all they are likely to say is, "Nice looking buckle. Where'd you get it?" and Ennis can simply answer, "It was a gift from a friend" or be even less specific, if he chooses.


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 05, 2006, 02:24:28 pm
Finally...

an update!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/127992.html  "Chapter 10:  A Little Intimate Chat"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 03:21:57 pm
In honor of that nice intimate chat, which I so dearly love, how about a little

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/pd_massage_oil.jpg)

for a nice slow...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/bw_hands.jpg)


Mmmmmm......


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 05, 2006, 03:30:13 pm
I,m off for the nite. Nite fellow Brits. Nite June huni. ;) ;) ;D. Sweet dreams. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 05, 2006, 03:40:32 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 05, 2006, 03:30:13 pm
I,m off for the nite. Nite fellow Brits. Nite June huni. ;) ;) ;D. Sweet dreams. ;) ;)
Nite Souxi darlin  ;) Sweeeet E+E dreams  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 05, 2006, 04:55:59 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 05, 2006, 02:24:28 pm
Finally...

an update!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/127992.html  "Chapter 10:  A Little Intimate Chat"

I love me some gorgeous E&E intimate chats.....so sexy and sweet all at once.   :)

Gorgeous chapter Louise, well worth waiting for.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on October 05, 2006, 05:31:37 pm
Leslie (and Lucise), your pictures always make me smile. Where do you find these things–and so fast? Did anyone post a picture of a navy blue 1985 Monte Carlo yet or did I miss it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 05, 2006, 05:47:46 pm
I posted the Monte Carlo the day I wrote the chapter, let me scroll back to find it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 05, 2006, 05:51:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on September 29, 2006, 02:01:48 pm
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/124135.html

And spoiler!!!!!






Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 06:51:24 pm
Just thought I'd check in before bed on the off chance of an update - and I'm glad that I did.  :)

Lovely chapter Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 05, 2006, 07:26:34 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 04, 2006, 09:22:36 pm
OK. This one shows that Ennis means business!

(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/bealscowboybuckles_1914_9202042)


This is too werewolfy for me---coyotes don't show that much open mouth teeth ( and their teeth are not that big)   unless they are actually fighting with a bigger animal, and Ennis is the biggest animal in this story, he doesn't have to bare teeth like that---he is more of a nipper! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 05, 2006, 07:31:30 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 12:15:10 pm
Janice,

I agree. Is that even a coyote? It looks like some ferocious beast, like bigfoot or something.

Part of the problem I have with some of the lone coyotes howling at the moon is that they are just that...lone coyotes. Here we are talking about an engagement, two people together...not apart. But even so, I did like some of the coyote designs that were posted.

L

Actually they usually howl in family packs---the leader starts it, and everyone of the pack members answer, and that is how they comunicate to form their hunting parties, and they  join up and take off, Dominate male, Dominate female and whatever pups young and grown that are still around and haven't split off into mating pairs.   IF the female is denned up with little pups, then the male will hunt alone for family.

And they also will howl to attract a mate, if they are single and have been driven out of the family. Lets everyone in the neighborhood know someone new is around.    We hear them a LOT esp. in the spring and fall, saw one jump out ahead of my horse just last week.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 05, 2006, 09:22:16 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 05, 2006, 07:26:34 pm

This is too werewolfy for me---coyotes don't show that much open mouth teeth ( and their teeth are not that big)   unless they are actually fighting with a bigger animal, and Ennis is the biggest animal in this story, he doesn't have to bare teeth like that---he is more of a nipper! LOL

This was meant as a laugh guys! We know that, just like in the fairytale, Ennis' teeth are all the better to nip Ellery with! ;D ;D ;D ;D

PS Perhaps something with guns would suit Ellery.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/guns.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 05, 2006, 09:25:32 pm
Good luck with your work negotiations Louise! ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 04:28:08 am
thanks Jo, for that vote.  London is looking like a good option for me at this point, at least for a short-term situation.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 06, 2006, 04:53:55 am
Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) ;) ;) Right, it,s raining and it,s miserable her in the UK at the moment so we need lots of hot stuff please to warm us up.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 06, 2006, 05:55:55 am
Morning everyone.  I feel the same as you Souxi, the weather in the UK is rubbish and only a bit of hot loving between E&E will cheer me up and warm me up.  ;)

Had a bit of a E&E moment earlier - was taking the kids to school, walked past a shop that had "winter bird food hampers" and I thought of Ennis and his little fascination with the bird feeder in their garden. 

I know, I've lost the plot.   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 06, 2006, 05:56:36 am
Quote from: louisev on October 06, 2006, 04:28:08 am
thanks Jo, for that vote.  London is looking like a good option for me at this point, at least for a short-term situation.

Best of luck Louise,  hope all goes well.  Kazza will be pleased if you end up in London!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 06, 2006, 05:59:17 am
Much as I love Ennis and find his jealous streak quite sexy I have to say that he does go overboard - to the extent that poor Ellery has no privacy. Under Ennis' relentless questioning everything comes under the spotlight including incidental conversations, the subject of telephone calls and even what he happened to be dreaming - hence he learned that Dupree had a cameo appearance in a dream. So if Ennis finds out something he is unhappy about whose fault is that?

If I were Ellery I would be working out some defensive stonewall tactics - not that that would work as Ennis seems to zero in like a heat-seeking missile to anything unspoken.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 06, 2006, 06:03:15 am
I will indeed. Always good to welcome talent to our shores. And of course I can put into action my dastardly plan to ensure that the Laramie Saga continues forever...... MMMWAAAAAA HAAA HAAAA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

BTW I second Souxi - it is a miserable day here.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 06:13:28 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 06, 2006, 05:59:17 am
Much as I love Ennis and find his jealous streak quite sexy I have to say that he does go overboard - to the extent that poor Ellery has no privacy. Under Ennis' relentless questioning everything comes under the spotlight including incidental conversations, the subject of telephone calls and even what he happened to be dreaming - hence he learned that Dupree had a cameo appearance in a dream. So if Ennis finds out something he is unhappy about whose fault is that?

If I were Ellery I would be working out some defensive stonewall tactics - not that that would work as Ennis seems to zero in like a heat-seeking missile to anything unspoken.

yes, he does go overboard.  However, in Simon's situation Ennis wasn't worried about Ellery being sexually interested in him - he thought it had something to do with the bar and was sticking his nose into the gossip.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 06, 2006, 06:14:57 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 06, 2006, 05:59:17 am
Much as I love Ennis and find his jealous streak quite sexy I have to say that he does go overboard - to the extent that poor Ellery has no privacy. Under Ennis' relentless questioning everything comes under the spotlight including incidental conversations, the subject of telephone calls and even what he happened to be dreaming - hence he learned that Dupree had a cameo appearance in a dream. So if Ennis finds out something he is unhappy about whose fault is that?

If I were Ellery I would be working out some defensive stonewall tactics - not that that would work as Ennis seems to zero in like a heat-seeking missile to anything unspoken.

I do agree with you in a way. Ennis' jealous streak is very very sexy imho, but it can get a bit much sometimes.  But at least Ennis has told Ellery that he is a jealous man, he's not hiding that aspect of his personality.  Ellery knows it, so whatever Ellery chooses to tell him, he has to expect some kind of reaction depending on what it is.  

Loved how you described Ennis, "zero in like a heat-seaking missile to anything unspoken".  You are absolutely right, its quite unnerving sometimes.  I think its partly because Ellery is normally so open and honest about stuff, that when he isnt, or is appearing a bit vague, then Ennis homes in on that and will not let go.

A bit like a coyote when he comes a-biting.  

Talking of coyotes, is anyone else missing Mr Coyote.  I know I am.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 06, 2006, 06:16:25 am
Quote from: louisev on October 06, 2006, 06:13:28 am
yes, he does go overboard.  However, in Simon's situation Ennis wasn't worried about Ellery being sexually interested in him - he thought it had something to do with the bar and was sticking his nose into the gossip.

You are right in that aspect Louise.  And Ellery was being a bit vague too, which didn't help.  I felt for Ellery then though, because he knew that he'd probably have to end up telling Ennis his surprise when he really didnt want to. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 06, 2006, 06:24:51 am
Ellery dropped a big hint that he likes surprises and I'm intrigued to see what Ennis decides to do. I think that he will prove expert at playing his cards close to his chest. Mmmm... sounds like a nice place to be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 06:39:05 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 06, 2006, 06:16:25 am
You are right in that aspect Louise.  And Ellery was being a bit vague too, which didn't help.  I felt for Ellery then though, because he knew that he'd probably have to end up telling Ennis his surprise when he really didnt want to. 

Actually, Ellery seemed to cave in pretty easily about telling the surprise, so I don't think he really minded. Remember, he has a job where he has to keep information to himself and reveal things a bit at a time, so if he really wanted to keep his surprise a secret, he could have.

In fact, I think this is part of what Ellery likes about life with Ennis...he doesn't have to keep everything private and can be open and honest. I am a bit like Ennis in this way...I don't really like surprises, either. My husband has learned to involve me in "surprises" and it really makes us both happier, in the long run.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 06, 2006, 06:48:06 am
I agree with Leslie.  In the previous books, I did sometimes feel uneasy reading about Ennis's jealousy.  But I sense he has relaxed in these 2 books, perhaps due to the consolidation of their relation.  What I felt in this chapter was just a kind of love chat between 2 lovers and they enjoyed it a lot. 

Now, I would like to know what will Ennis buy for Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 07:02:54 am
Quote from: souxi on October 06, 2006, 04:53:55 am
Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) ;) ;) Right, it,s raining and it,s miserable her in the UK at the moment so we need lots of hot stuff please to warm us up.  ;D ;D
Good afternoon folks, afternoon dear Souxi  :)

Yep, it's just as miserable over here in Holland *sigh* so I could do with some E&E TLC too  :D

How's *that* reading coming along Souxi?  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 07:05:45 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 05, 2006, 09:22:16 pm
This was meant as a laugh guys! We know that, just like in the fairytale, Ennis' teeth are all the better to nip Ellery with! ;D ;D ;D ;D

PS Perhaps something with guns would suit Ellery.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/guns.jpg)
LOL Jo!  ;D

I love that belt buckle for Ellery  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 07:20:30 am
Mr. Coyote can't come biting until Ellery is feeling a bit more sprightly.  But don't worry... that'll happen.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 08:04:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion."

http://louisev.livejournal.com/128172.html  "Chapter 11:  Wyoming vs. Bill"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 08:31:19 am
Quote from: yb on October 06, 2006, 06:48:06 am

Now, I would like to know what will Ennis buy for Ellery.

I would like to think that Ennis, having been poor all his life, will find a way to come up with something special and meaningful that does not necessarily cost alot of money. He said it himself when he was fixing the windows, "Necessity is the mother of invention." An early gift that he gave Ellery was fixing the bird feeder and looked how much they have both enjoyed watching the birds over the summer. Anyway, I haven't figured out what this gift will be yet, but I am thinking.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 06, 2006, 08:55:25 am
Another lunchtime update - thanks Lousie.

SPOILER





OK... well this one left me feeling much like Ellery did by the end of it. I know that Bill deserves no sympathy, but I really couldn't help feeling sorry for him. This might just throw a bit of a cloud over the boys's engagement plans, or maybe make them realise the importance of what they have together. That they don't need to be playing the field because they have something very special.

I'm sure that I won't be the only one whose mind this crosses, but, does Bill's revelation mean that this particular spectre is back to haunt Ennis and Ellery? AIDS is really starting to have an impact on the patrons of the Red Stallion. I hope for them it is a place of refuge, where they can help and support each other (and perhaps educate each other on how to be safe).

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 09:51:16 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 06, 2006, 08:55:25 am
Another lunchtime update - thanks Lousie.

SPOILER





OK... well this one left me feeling much like Ellery did by the end of it. I know that Bill deserves no sympathy, but I really couldn't help feeling sorry for him. This might just throw a bit of a cloud over the boys's engagement plans, or maybe make them realise the importance of what they have together. That they don't need to be playing the field because they have something very special.

I'm sure that I won't be the only one whose mind this crosses, but, does Bill's revelation mean that this particular spectre is back to haunt Ennis and Ellery? AIDS is really starting to have an impact on the patrons of the Red Stallion. I hope for them it is a place of refuge, where they can help and support each other (and perhaps educate each other on how to be safe).

Karen

I was worried for Ellery. How long has Bill had AIDS? Is it absolutely certain that Ellery doesn't have AIDS?

Well, they really do need to know that you *can* get AIDS from giving blow-jobs.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 06, 2006, 09:58:00 am
I'm still not worried for Ellery having AIDS. It's been quite awhile since he and Bill were together, and Eller would have gotten sick by now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 10:12:11 am
hey Lori, nice to see you...!

there's more to this "I've got AIDS" story than meets the eye, as well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 06, 2006, 10:21:13 am
It is very likely that Ellery would wear a signet ring if Ennis chose this as his token of commitment.. Perhaps with two Es discreetly intertwined or positioned facing each other.

(http://www.allcelt.com/ProdImages/ogham/of7gp.jpg)

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/e4.gif)

(http://www.schredds.com/images/9517fsea.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelda on October 06, 2006, 10:24:55 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 24, 2006, 08:26:50 am
I know we have at least three people (me, David, and Jenny) and maybe four (Kelda?) who are hooked on the series of stories by Louise about Ennis and Ellery. And I suspect there are more out there. Anyway, we keep discussing the story on various threads (the latest is the 1000+ posts club) and I thought maybe we could all gather in one place for some real discussion. Hmmm?

For those who may be reading this and are not familiar with the story, it is (at present) a trilogy. Louise, who lives in Germany, iis the author. Two stories are finished, the third is in progress. The first one is called "Taking Chances" and can be found here:
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

(EDITED:  30.September.06)  It is now a 5 book series!


http://louisev.livejournal.com/2743.html  Book 1: "Taking Chances"

Ennis receives a journal written by Jack Twist during their months on Brokeback Mountain in 1963, and decides it is time for him to find out what it means for him to be homosexual.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27985.html  Book 2: "Looking for Answers"

Ennis finds an unexpected love relationship with Ellery Cantrell, the deputy Sheriff in Laramie, Wyoming, and as he struggles to make peace with the mysterious circumstances of the death of Jack Twist, Ellery offers to investigate his death and search for Jack's killer.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/50230.html  Book 3:  "A Second Chance"

Ennis and Ellery, having come face to face with the serial killer responsible for the death of Jack and other unsolved deaths, grapple with the specter of AIDS which has begun cropping up among the small, fragile gay population surrounding Ellery's private men's bar.  As their relationship grows closer, Ennis must deal with a painful relationship from Ellery's past which threatens his relationships and his job in the present.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75525.html  Book 4:  "Shelter From the Storm"

Ennis is swept up in an outbreak of violence aimed at him, his lover Ellery, and the gay patrons and employees of the Red Stallion bar.  Ellery and the staff of the Sheriff's department try to find those responsible and uncover a conspiracy within their own ranks.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/101593.html  Book 5:  "The Long Way Home"

"The Long Way Home" traces Ennis's pilgrimage with Ellery back to Brokeback Mountain as he struggles to come to terms with his loss and love for Jack Twist, and as Ellery and his colleagues try to bring Jack's killer to justice.

Book 6, The Red Stallion, will be starting soon!


__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


The premise: story starts in 1984, two years after Jack's death. Ennis has been doing some reading, research about queer life, trying to come to grips with Jack's death and who he is. In the process of reading, he sees an ad for a gay bar in Laramie, WY. The story starts when he walks into that bar...

A few other comments. Louise describes herself as a "canon" author in that the she does not read or write AU (alternative universe) stories. She is true to the book/movie which is why this story picks up after Jack is gone. She also believes that Ennis is a fairly young man (41) and made the decision to not let his life go down the drain in that depressing trailer where he was living. Some people object to MovingOn!Ennis but I don't. I think she has taken an interesting and honest approach to what might have happened.

There is plenty of sex in this story, but I also think she is a good writer and taking a nuanced approach to exploring Ennis's emerging sexuality.

Ellery is the man Ennis begins a relationship with. I don't think I am giving away too much here to new readers because he shows up fairly early in the first book. Many of us have super major crushes on Ellery. I do. I am seriously thinking of getting pregnant again so I can name the baby Ellery. Well, all right, that might be a slight exaggeration!

So...dive in everyone.

L




la la la not readin any further than this - just to say a thanks to natali for sending me the woerds docs od the story so I can finally get round to reading the laramie saga. I'#m now onto chapter 56 of book 1! all in less than a week - woohwee!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 10:32:58 am
Jo! You are amazing, you keep coming up with the most fantastic things!  :)

Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 10:35:53 am
Quote from: louisev on October 06, 2006, 10:12:11 am

there's more to this "I've got AIDS" story than meets the eye, as well.

I should have known.........................
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 10:38:49 am
Quote from: kelda_shelton on October 06, 2006, 10:24:55 am
la la la not readin any further than this - just to say a thanks to natali for sending me the woerds docs od the story so I can finally get round to reading the laramie saga. I'#m now onto chapter 56 of book 1! all in less than a week - woohwee!

Kelda, I am glad you have finally come on board. I have only been waiting since June....LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 10:46:05 am
A lot of people complain about "porn without plot." But you know, Louise, if you wanted to write endless chapters of "intimate chat without plot (and a little sex thrown in)" I, for one, would never complain. And I suspect a lot of other readers feel the same way...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 06, 2006, 10:48:58 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 10:46:05 am
A lot of people complain about "porn without plot." But you know, Louise, if you wanted to write endless chapters of "intimate chat without plot (and a little sex thrown in)" I, for one, would never complain. And I suspect a lot of other readers feel the same way...

Leslie


I raise my hand in agreement.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 10:58:52 am
"Intimate chat without plot!" that is a great concept.

But of course you know... that isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 06, 2006, 11:01:04 am
I know, I haven't been around much.  I've been supah busy.  Plus I've been writing a lot myself, as you may have noticed!

But that doesn't mean I am not hanging on every word and compulsively refreshing waiting for every update.  I am so right there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 11:01:34 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 10:46:05 am
A lot of people complain about "porn without plot." But you know, Louise, if you wanted to write endless chapters of "intimate chat without plot (and a little sex thrown in)" I, for one, would never complain. And I suspect a lot of other readers feel the same way...

Leslie

Yes, I do! Lovely  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 11:13:38 am
Quote from: louisev on October 06, 2006, 10:58:52 am
"Intimate chat without plot!" that is a great concept.

But of course you know... that isn't going to happen.
Why not? Just a few chapters here and there..... :) Please..... :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 06, 2006, 11:39:02 am
Quote from: louisev on October 06, 2006, 10:58:52 am
"Intimate chat without plot!" that is a great concept.

But of course you know... that isn't going to happen.

i wouldn't have it any other way, louise. The last chapter are great (hilarious, romantic, sad). i love never knowing what's coming next. I'm hanging on every word here!  :)

*updates once again*

Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 06, 2006, 11:53:42 am

Good sunny afternoon to all of you who create this cozy community and thanks Leslie for your welcome.
I finally finished reading whole LS and would like also to put my 2 cents into discussion  :D from time to time.

Quote from: louisev on October 06, 2006, 10:58:52 am
"Intimate chat without plot!" that is a great concept.

But of course you know... that isn't going to happen.

Louise,
you sure heard all compliments of the world about your writing already and I can’t come probably with nothing   original though I myself bow to your creativity, that’s what absolutely amazes me- your systematic day by day updates without any lack in plot and with good load of humor, always keeping us on the edge of the seat impatiently waiting for next parts. 
Tell me, Ellery couldn’t be serious about Bunny R. and her snapping Ennis’s… in ch.10, could he :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 06, 2006, 11:55:51 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 06, 2006, 08:55:25 am
Another lunchtime update - thanks Lousie.

SPOILER





OK... well this one left me feeling much like Ellery did by the end of it. I know that Bill deserves no sympathy, but I really couldn't help feeling sorry for him. This might just throw a bit of a cloud over the boys's engagement plans, or maybe make them realise the importance of what they have together. That they don't need to be playing the field because they have something very special.

I'm sure that I won't be the only one whose mind this crosses, but, does Bill's revelation mean that this particular spectre is back to haunt Ennis and Ellery? AIDS is really starting to have an impact on the patrons of the Red Stallion. I hope for them it is a place of refuge, where they can help and support each other (and perhaps educate each other on how to be safe).

Karen


I don't know what Louise has in store for us but judging from the plot itself, it's unlikely for Ellery to have AIDS. We learned from Taking Chances that by the time Ellery met Ennis, he and Bill had been separated for four years, and Ellery had no sexual relationship with anyone during that period of time. Well, there's Gabe Blackwell but Ellery told Ennis he used rubbers with him.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 06, 2006, 12:03:54 pm
Quote from: synne on October 06, 2006, 11:53:42 am
Good sunny afternoon to all of you

I wish! where are you synne?

rainy, windy autumn friday over here (belgium)
ah well, not to worry, reading the saga is something i do indoors anyway  ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 06, 2006, 12:20:58 pm
Are you mostly European here? 
I’m European too!
For now I’m living in Canada, here is sunny though cold, and I’m waiting and waiting for nice warm  Indian summer.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on October 06, 2006, 12:31:15 pm
I am in Switzerland and today its a sunny - if cool - day. It will be a bit warmer when I return to the southern part of Switzerland, that's where I work.

The american fraction is probabely not up yet.. ;D

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 12:34:08 pm
Quote from: synne on October 06, 2006, 12:20:58 pm
Are you mostly European here? 
I’m European too!
For now I’m living in Canada, here is sunny though cold, and I’m waiting and waiting for nice warm  Indian summer.

Hi Synne!  Good to see you here  :)

I live in Holland and the weather is terrible here too, about the same as Belgium and England. Yuck!  :(
I'm jealous  ;D Wish I was in Canada  :( I was there in August visiting all the BBM filming locations and I fell in love with the country. It's beautiful and I miss it  :)

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 12:38:18 pm
Quote from: synne on October 06, 2006, 12:20:58 pm
Are you mostly European here? 
I’m European too!
For now I’m living in Canada, here is sunny though cold, and I’m waiting and waiting for nice warm  Indian summer.


We have a very international group of people reading the Laramie Saga, Synne. I am in the US, Maine to be exact.


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 06, 2006, 12:40:11 pm
Hi Synne nice to meet you. :) Welcome to the madhouse lol. Have you find the E&E picture gallery yet? Check it out, there are some seriously HOT pics there arnt there June?  ;) ;) We like HOT pics dont we hun?  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 12:50:07 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 06, 2006, 12:40:11 pm
Hi Synne nice to meet you. :) Welcome to the madhouse lol. Have you find the E&E picture gallery yet? Check it out, there are some seriously HOT pics there arnt there June?  ;) ;) We like HOT pics dont we hun?  ;) ;) ;)

You bet Souxi!  ;)  ;D

Souxi and I can get pretty crazy sometimes, Synne  ;D Don't mind us!  :D LOL

Milli (Lucise) maintains the E+E gallery and does a really fantastic job  :) It's wonderful and I go over there quite often just because it's so lovely to look at all the pics  :) And I DON'T only look at all the HOT pics, Souxi dear   >:(  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 06, 2006, 12:52:56 pm
 Hi,
I’m jealous you are in Europe. ;D
Quote from: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 12:34:08 pm
Hi Synne!  Good to see you here  :)


I'm jealous  ;D Wish I was in Canada  :( I was there in August visiting all the BBM filming locations and I fell in love with the country. It's beautiful and I miss it  :)

 :)
Yes Canada is nice and for me still kind of exotic…all those farmlands and big trucks devouring gas in a trace (exactly like Louise wrote), but I haven’t visited Alberta yet :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 06, 2006, 01:01:51 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 12:50:07 pm
Milli (Lucise) maintains the E+E gallery and does a really fantastic job   It's wonderful and I go over there quite often just because it's so lovely to look at all the pics

IMO, the montages are especially gorgeous to look at.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 06, 2006, 01:10:29 pm
I am in Ohio.  That is as far from international as it is possible to be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 06, 2006, 01:11:22 pm
Hello,

Quote from: souxi on October 06, 2006, 12:40:11 pm
Hi Synne nice to meet you. :) Welcome to the madhouse lol. Have you find the E&E picture gallery yet? Check it out, there are some seriously HOT pics there arnt there June?  ;) ;) We like HOT pics dont we hun?  ;) ;) ;)


I did, I did check the gallery ….really hot and I like guy you picked for Ellery! :-*

Were there any alternatives for him???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 01:18:03 pm
Quote from: synne on October 06, 2006, 01:11:22 pm
Hello,

I did, I did check the gallery ….really hot and I like guy you picked for Ellery! :-*

Were there any alternatives for him???


Go back to the very beginning of this thread. We had an Italian model and a few other choices. One of the Carradines. But we all settled pretty quickly on Hugh Jackman.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 01:19:41 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 01:18:03 pm
Go back to the very beginning of this thread. We had an Italian model and a few other choices. One of the Carradines. But we all settled pretty quickly on Hugh Jackman.

Leslie
I liked both guys on page 1 too  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 06, 2006, 01:48:37 pm
Wow .. you gals talk a blue streak in here ..lol ..

Synne .. Where in Canada are ya?  Not Edmonton by any chance?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 01:50:03 pm
*typity type type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 01:56:42 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 06, 2006, 01:50:03 pm
*typity type type*
Squeeee! At last!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 06, 2006, 02:10:31 pm
And I DON'T only look at all the HOT pics, Souxi dear     


Ohhhhhhhhhh yes you do woman, tsk tsk tsk, thats all you go there for lol. ;DWell I do anyway lol. ;D Right I,ve had enough of today, it,s been orrible and wet and cold and gloomy. Lets hope tomorow is better. I need a steamy update and some "HOT" pics to warm me up I think June lol. ;) ;) ;) ;) Nite hun, be good, and sweet dreams lol. ;) ;) Nite all. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on October 06, 2006, 02:44:29 pm
So many pages since yesterday! Welcome to all the new readers! There's been lots of talk about who is where, so I'll post the latest info on locations of our not-so-little group. If you are not on this list and would like to be, let me know by post or PM and you'll be on the next update.

BTW, I was alerted to a cool website about Time Zones, and it appears that some of my international zones may not be correct compared to Eastern Daylight Time (New York City). Sometime this week I will verify those zones. I'm pretty sure about US and Canada, although everything will have to be checked again when Standard Time goes into effect! Anyway:

Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Belbbmfan:  Leuven, Belgium (CET=EDT+6)
Bigheart/June:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+6)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
Christie wood/Christie:  Liverpool, UK (UKT=EDT+5?)
DavidinHartford/David:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)
Helen/Helen:  Somewhere, UK (UKT=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Laurel:  Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT)
Littleguitar/Mandy:  St. Louis, Missouri (CDT=EDT-1)
Louisev/Louise:  Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+6)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Madlori/Lori:  Columbus, Ohio (EDT)
Magicmountain/Jo:  Sydney, Australia (AEDT=EDT+11)
Mainewriter/Leslie:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Moremojo/Scott:  Austin, Texas (CDT=EDT-1)
Navyvet:  Somewhere, Florida (EDT)
Neatfreak/Betty:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista/Natali: Madrid, Spain (CET=EDT+6)
Pastorfred/Fred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal:  Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack:  Vienna, Maine (EDT)
Yb:  Hongkong, China (CST=EDT+12)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 02:52:57 pm
Thanks Betty! I appreciate the update  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 06, 2006, 02:57:58 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 06, 2006, 02:10:31 pm
And I DON'T only look at all the HOT pics, Souxi dear     


Ohhhhhhhhhh yes you do woman, tsk tsk tsk, thats all you go there for lol. ;DWell I do anyway lol. ;D Right I,ve had enough of today, it,s been orrible and wet and cold and gloomy. Lets hope tomorow is better. I need a steamy update and some "HOT" pics to warm me up I think June lol. ;) ;) ;) ;) Nite hun, be good, and sweet dreams lol. ;) ;) Nite all. :)
LOL! You are terrible!  :laugh:

And YOU be good too, hon! Nite  :)  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 03:05:05 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/128539.html  "Chapter 12: Ellery's Delicate Condition"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 06, 2006, 06:03:13 pm
So...

Re: Jeeves .. who were the final contenders?   

Maybe one of the Mods could add a poll in here for that?  (I still vote Rupert Everett!)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 06:33:43 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 06, 2006, 06:03:13 pm
So...

Re: Jeeves .. who were the final contenders?   

Maybe one of the Mods could add a poll in here for that?  (I still vote Rupert Everett!)  :)


I feel like I have more of a handle on the belt buckles than I do on the Jeeves contenders...probably because I wasn't familiar with a lot of the actors. Can someone give me a recap and I can create a poll?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on October 06, 2006, 06:37:51 pm
Ok, I have a late contender for Jeeves - a British actor called Greg Wise (married to the lovely Emma Thompson) that my mother and I used to drool over in the "Riff Raff Element" way back when.  I'm not sure if he's too young (40) but I thought I would suggest him anyway  :D

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6172/greyfriarsbobbygregfeatlq9.gif) (http://imageshack.us)  (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6815/gregwisefn2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 06, 2006, 06:38:15 pm
Hey Leslie ..

Here is a list you could start with:

- Rupert Everett
- Charles Dance
- Hugh Laurie
- Stephen Fry
- Richard Armitage
- Daniel Craig

Modified to add:
- Greg Wise  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 06:41:51 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/128946.html  "Chapter 13:  Mr. Coyote"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 06:51:17 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 06, 2006, 06:41:51 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/128946.html  "Chapter 13:  Mr. Coyote"

I suppose this is a spoiler but...

My favorite comment I got on my chapter 2 (the famous PB blow job was)--maybe my favorite comment ever, was:

Oh. My. God.

Louise, this is for you.

Oh. My. God.

Thanks, Louise.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 06, 2006, 06:53:50 pm
Here are the Jeeves contenders with pictures:  :)


- Rupert Everett

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Celebres/9fa5a3f9.jpg)


- Charles Dance

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Celebres/2259fdb1.jpg)


- Hugh Laurie

(http://www.houseisright.com/wp-content/uploads/hugh_laurie_gal.jpg)

Ooops .. wrong pic ..  ;D  A more Jeeves-worthy Hugh L with another contender  Stephen Fry:


(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4f/200px-Jeeves-n-wooster.jpg)

- Richard Armitage

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/northandsouth/images/photogallery/340x255/thornton.jpg)


- Daniel Craig

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Celebres/e8d04256.jpg)

- Greg Wise

merrobot provided pics above!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 07:02:32 pm
Okay, I have created a Jeeves poll...it is over in the polling place. Look at the pictures here and vote there (I didn't post the pictures in both places). The names are in the same order they are listed here, if that helps at all.

Have fun! Who will be Jeeves? You decide!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 06, 2006, 07:20:52 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 06:51:17 pm

Louise, this is for you.

Oh. My. God.

Thanks, Louise.

L

hee hee, thank you so muchly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 06, 2006, 07:46:01 pm
Where is the polling place?

Your forgot Ralph Fiennes!

By the way, it occurred to me that while Ennis relentlessly extracts information out of Ellery, Ellery does get his revenge. He always knows when Ennis has been beating off!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 06, 2006, 07:54:05 pm
MR COYOTE RETURNS

(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/bealscowboybuckles_1914_9202042)

It's love at first bite!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 08:23:48 pm
The voting is in the polling place:


http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?board=9.0

I can't modify the poll to add Ralph Fiennes...you'll have to vote for him as other and write a comment with his name. C'mon, let's get a write in candidacy going....actually, I know that our own Pastor Fred is campaigning hard....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 06, 2006, 10:11:16 pm
Err.. Louise... that last chapter was .... well.... mmmm... must get my breath back!!!!!!!!!

 :)

You write it so well.

Still rather concened aout Ellery's physical condition.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 07, 2006, 04:26:12 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 06:51:17 pm
Louise, this is for you.

Oh. My. God.

Thanks, Louise.

L

phew, indeed leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 07, 2006, 06:00:22 am
Cooeeee mornin peeps. Mornin June. Well, two lovely chapters waiting for me when I got up this morning. Lets hope chapter 14 picks up where 13 left off. ;) ;) What a contrast today..it,s lovely blue skys and yesterday was awful. I,m sure Ennis will make sure that Ellery follows doctors orders and does what he,s told. He could always be a bit erm, "forcefull" if he doesnt couldnt he June? ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 07, 2006, 08:48:22 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 06, 2006, 07:46:01 pm
Where is the polling place?

Your forgot Ralph Fiennes!

By the way, it occurred to me that while Ennis relentlessly extracts information out of Ellery, Ellery does get his revenge. He always knows when Ennis has been beating off!
Hee hee, so true Jo!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 07, 2006, 08:50:06 am
Quote from: merrobot on October 06, 2006, 06:37:51 pm
Ok, I have a late contender for Jeeves - a British actor called Greg Wise (married to the lovely Emma Thompson) that my mother and I used to drool over in the "Riff Raff Element" way back when.  I'm not sure if he's too young (40) but I thought I would suggest him anyway  :D

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6172/greyfriarsbobbygregfeatlq9.gif) (http://imageshack.us)  (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6815/gregwisefn2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Oh wow merrobot! Now I really don't know who to vote for!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 07, 2006, 08:53:29 am
Quote from: souxi on October 07, 2006, 06:00:22 am
Cooeeee mornin peeps. Mornin June. Well, two lovely chapters waiting for me when I got up this morning. Lets hope chapter 14 picks up where 13 left off. ;) ;) What a contrast today..it,s lovely blue skys and yesterday was awful. I,m sure Ennis will make sure that Ellery follows doctors orders and does what he,s told. He could always be a bit erm, "forcefull" if he doesnt couldnt he June? ;) ;) ;) ;D
Hi Souxi   :)

Forceful sounds good! Yummy, in fact!   ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 07, 2006, 09:06:24 am
Finally, after 3 hours of slogging through throwing things away in preparation for my move, I am back to business...

*typity type type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 07, 2006, 09:37:14 am
Good morning all!

The past several chapters have been amazing.  'Mr. Coyote.'  Whew!  Hot flash!  The good kind for a change.   :laugh:

Thinking about you, Louise, and your whole work/moving thing.  Hope it resolves soon in a very good way.   :-*

I'm off on a house cleaning binge (eeeek!) as my DH (dear/damn husband - pick one) just announced, on his way out the door to work a 5 hour festival gig, that a fellow musician/band member may be crashing at our house tonight.   :o

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 07, 2006, 09:46:30 am
Poor you NV, I,ve done my housework today. I hate housework, it,s a necessary evil I think. >:( Right, Now thats done I,m ready for some steamy stuff please. I,ve got hot doing housework I want to get hot reading about our boys now lol.  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 07, 2006, 09:55:43 am
steamy stuff?  we just had steamy stuff?

now it's time for more story, Souxi.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on October 07, 2006, 09:56:12 am
No update to send me off to work with a smile on my face? What's a girl to do  ::)

Just kidding, that last chapter was hot, I don't even know if I could take another one like that, I might have to stay home and recover!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 07, 2006, 11:34:40 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/129053.html  "Chapter 14:  A Few More Lies"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 07, 2006, 12:55:18 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 07, 2006, 09:55:43 am
steamy stuff?  we just had steamy stuff?

now it's time for more story, Souxi.
Behave yourself Souxi!!  >:(  ::)

 ;)   :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 07, 2006, 01:20:25 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/129514.html  "Chapter 15:   Regrets"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 07, 2006, 01:49:08 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 07, 2006, 12:55:18 pm
Behave yourself Souxi!!  >:(  ::)

 ;)   :laugh:

Well, I,m sure I dont know what you mean June dear. ;)  ;D ;D I,m always a good girl I am . ;) ;) Right, RL beckons,  >:( nite peep,s nite June. Be good now. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 07, 2006, 02:39:50 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 07, 2006, 01:49:08 pm
Well, I,m sure I dont know what you mean June dear. ;)  ;D ;D I,m always a good girl I am . ;) ;) Right, RL beckons,  >:( nite peep,s nite June. Be good now. ;) ;) ;D
I'm sure you are   ;D

Nite Souxi  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 07, 2006, 03:13:29 pm
Ahhh... little one in bed and I get to log on and catch up on the goings on in Laramie.

SPOILER


So, Bill's after some sympathy attention from Ellery. It a very manipulative thing to do, and cruel. I'm really glad that Ennis dealt with Ellery's reaction so well. It might have ben very different in their early days. I also like the way that Ennis is opening little by little in front of people he likes and trusts, like Lauren.

Now, this Jeves character - he be well advised to keep away from Ennis - but we all know that's not going to happen don't we? Don't we??


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 07, 2006, 03:18:32 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 07, 2006, 03:13:29 pm
Ahhh... little one in bed and I get to log on and catch up on the goings on in Laramie.

SPOILER


So, Bill's after some sympathy attention from Ellery. It a very manipulative thing to do, and cruel. I'm really glad that Ennis dealt with Ellery's reaction so well. It might have ben very different in their early days. I also like the way that Ennis is opening little by little in front of people he likes and trusts, like Lauren.

Now, this Jeves character - he be well advised to keep away from Ennis - but we all know that's not going to happen don't we? Don't we??



We do, I'm positive. Well....he'd better stay away!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 07, 2006, 04:18:23 pm
Update....

http://louisev.livejournal.com/129654.html  "Chapter 16:  Part Timer"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 07, 2006, 07:06:18 pm

Now, this Jeves character - he be well advised to keep away from Ennis - but we all know that's not going to happen don't we? Don't we??



[/quote]

I don't think it matters a bit.   Ennis not only will not be impressed by Jeeves, he won't even figure into Ennis' mindset unless he turns out to be a stand up guy that Ennis thinks is okay.  Putting on airs or making eyes at Ennis won't do it---been tried before. LOL
I don't think Chas is really interested anyway, I think he is just watching the waters.
AFter all, no one  would turn down Ennis if they had a chance!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 07, 2006, 07:24:24 pm
Just a reminder of what Jeremy Dupree looks like.     ;)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/7fb89034.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 07, 2006, 07:28:31 pm
David - he insists that he is "Just Jeremy" though!!!  nothing special.... uh huh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 07, 2006, 07:44:05 pm
Well,  Dupree may admit that he is not straight 100% of the time, but I still can't see him being attracted to Chaz (Jeeves).     Perhaps he just likes the attention?     

I still think a rough and tumble guy like Jeremy would prefer the strong silent type.  As far as Ellerys curiousity?     I think that it is natural for him to be curious about a friend and coworkers sudden interest like that.   But Dupree is 100% correct in telling Ellery that it is none of his business. 

Either way, if Dupree is not interested in Chaz in a sexual/romantic way, then he is indeed leading the guy on.    But perhaps Dupree is fooling around with him to expirament?    Better him  (Chaz) than one of the local bar regulars right?   Now I am really confused!    LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on October 07, 2006, 08:07:37 pm
An interesting conversation in the fanfiction chat room has been going on about Ellery's concerns and Dupree's complexity.

Ellery doesn't have a category for a bisexual man; the concept wasn't well known in the 80's.

I'm not even sure what Dupree's sexual preference really is, but I think he may be seeking more information about Jeeves for other than sexual reasons.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 07, 2006, 08:11:44 pm
The Jeeves situation has not as yet been clarified, that is true.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 08, 2006, 03:25:30 am
Mr  Coyote

When the night is still
the moon is full
the bedroom light’s turned low
Ellery knows he better watch out
as Ennis starts to prowl about
his jaw set in a growling pout
his gleaming teeth aglow

By day this man seems shy and boyish
Someone who acts kinda coyish
Bashful, quiet, blushing Ennis
come nightfall turns into a menace

The moment that the sun goes down
that shy grin turns into a frown
He licks his lips and makes a pass
then sinks his teeth in Ellery’s ass

Ellery goes off like a bomb
and cries out for some more
The neighbours worry that someone
is being killed next door

Former boyfriends’ fear and loathing
of that coyote in sheep’s clothing
keeps them far from Ellery’s door
in fear of Ennis’ tooth and claw

And so that skinny cowboy has
a new initial in his name
He is known now near and far
as Mr Ennis C. del Mar
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 08, 2006, 04:15:40 am
Mornin all, mornin June.  ;) MM thats absolutly brilliant, well done, you are very clever. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 08, 2006, 07:33:35 am
Ennis C. Del Mar!  hahaha oh my goodness.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 08, 2006, 07:49:33 am
Quote from: louisev on October 07, 2006, 08:11:44 pm
The Jeeves situation has not as yet been clarified, that is true.

Very true.   Perhaps he isn't what he claims to be at all?     It wouldn't be the first time someone walked into a bar and made up a fictional personality.   People can do that to hide who they are, or perhaps just to appear more interesting.

Hmm, kinda like the internet too eh?     Other than those of us who have met eachother,  some of us may not appear to be who we say we are.      Oh wait, those folks are on "MySpace.com"    Ha ha ha!!!

I am really a tall, blonde haired, blue eyed Swede named Lars.  Just ask Leslie.  She and the NY brokies have met me.   ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 08, 2006, 07:56:07 am
Jo! You are truly gifted, that was so great! I LOVED it  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 08, 2006, 08:04:00 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 08, 2006, 07:49:33 am
Very true.   Perhaps he isn't what he claims to be at all?     It wouldn't be the first time someone walked into a bar and made up a fictional personality.   People can do that to hide who they are, or perhaps just to appear more interesting.

Hmm, kinda like the internet too eh?     Other than those of us who have met eachother,  some of us may not appear to be who we say we are.      Oh wait, those folks are on "MySpace.com"    Ha ha ha!!!

I am really a tall, blonde haired, blue eyed Swede named Lars.  Just ask Leslie.  She and the NY brokies have met me.   ;)



I can't give everything away ahead of time, but suffice it to say that we've had our fill if serial killers, pornographers, sucker punches and kidnappers.  Jeeves does have a secret, I'll leave it at that for now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 08, 2006, 08:05:31 am
Quote from: louisev on October 08, 2006, 08:04:00 am
I can't give everything away ahead of time, but suffice it to say that we've had our fill if serial killers, pornographers, sucker punches and kidnappers.  Jeeves does have a secret, I'll leave it at that for now.
Heh..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 08, 2006, 08:28:55 am
I knew it!  

 Jeeves is really Julie Andrews dressed up like a man!!    ala:  Victor victoria!   :laugh:   

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4Tb7ihFBBUAGm.jzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=11s3a16md/EXP=1160396891/**http%3a//www.julieandrews.co.uk/np_vv2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 08, 2006, 10:27:32 am
Update to "The Red  Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/129974.html  "Chapter 17:  The New Girl"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 08, 2006, 10:59:57 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 08, 2006, 07:49:33 am

I am really a tall, blonde haired, blue eyed Swede named Lars.  Just ask Leslie.  She and the NY brokies have met me.   ;)



David, I mean Lars, let me take a picture of him when we met back in June....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/3160057696.jpg)


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 08, 2006, 11:52:50 am
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on October 08, 2006, 10:27:32 am
Update to "The Red  Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/129974.html  "Chapter 17:  The New Girl"

So why the hell did Ellery get so irrtated? I don't think the new girl was any worse than Marigold. Perhaps he got way too used to work with incompetent lawyers and now he was a WOMAN who seems to be as smart and competent as he is! He's definitely being challenged first by Dupree and now by a woman.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 08, 2006, 12:19:00 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 08, 2006, 11:52:50 am
SPOILERS

So why the hell did Ellery get so irrtated? I don't think the new girl was any worse than Marigold. Perhaps he got way too used to work with incompetent lawyers and now he was a WOMAN who seems to be as smart and competent as he is! He's definitely being challenged first by Dupree and now by a woman.

I should imagine it,s because he,s been under so much stress lately, what with his health and all the fuss with Ennis,s daughters and ex wife. It,s getting to him and he,s getting snappy and impatient with everyone. I cant say I thought much to her either. Seemed like a smart arse to me, but thats just MO. We shall see.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 08, 2006, 12:43:50 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/130115.html  "Chapter 18:  Another World"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 08, 2006, 01:28:11 pm
Time for a little photo session, maybe?   


A few reasons why The Red Stallion is an "off-the-hook", hoppin, happenin bar!!   ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/89777bb1-1.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/89777bb1.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/06eb0c17-1.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/06eb0c17-2.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/06eb0c17.jpg)



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 08, 2006, 01:41:07 pm
OMG Milli!!

*falls off chair and tries to get up*

Thank you!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 08, 2006, 01:54:01 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 08, 2006, 01:41:07 pm
OMG Milli!!

*falls off chair and tries to get up*

Thank you!  :-*

*Helps June up off of the floor and gives her a LARGE brandy* There ya go hun.  ;) ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelda on October 08, 2006, 01:58:46 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 06, 2006, 10:38:49 am
Kelda, I am glad you have finally come on board. I have only been waiting since June....LOL

Leslie
life got on top of my bettermost reading and online time I'm afraid! which is just sad! :laugh:

But natali has sent me the word docs that I can print out and read at my leisure.

say good bye to boring 40min train rides home from work (and suffering the extra delays that are inevitable as winter sets in - some how Britain don't know how to cope with snow or wind and train lines all together) and lunchours surfing the BBC newswebsite and hello to hot ennis and ellery scenes!

K
x
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 08, 2006, 02:11:01 pm
I am typity type typing a third chapter.

Please be advised:  chapters may be slow coming tomorrow and Tuesday because I have to do a redesign at work, and will be *gasp*

WORKING FULL DAYS AGAIN!  But rest assured, the Saga will continue!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 08, 2006, 02:42:36 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 08, 2006, 01:41:07 pm
OMG Milli!!

*falls off chair and tries to get up*

Thank you!  :-*

Yer welcome June!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 08, 2006, 02:51:41 pm
What Ellery likes to call "Skunk piss" ..  ;D


(http://decaffeinated.org/images/nightwatchnescafe.jpg)  (http://www.office365.co.uk/im/pim/386032.jpg)


Any more props folks?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 08, 2006, 02:58:25 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/130369.html  "Chapter 19:  Making Adjustments"


think of me kindly tomorrow if you don't get an update!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 08, 2006, 03:03:51 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 08, 2006, 02:58:25 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/130369.html  "Chapter 19:  Making Adjustments"

STOP! STOP!
i can't read this fast!  ;D
okay, i'm a bad liar

Quote from: louisev on October 08, 2006, 02:58:25 pm

think of me kindly tomorrow if you don't get an update!

no problem louise. i always think of you kindly anyway  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 08, 2006, 03:05:08 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 08, 2006, 02:58:25 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/130369.html  "Chapter 19:  Making Adjustments"


think of me kindly tomorrow if you don't get an update!
We always think of you kindly Louise!  :D

I'm behind on a couple of your chaps  ::) maybe I'll save them for tomorrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 08, 2006, 03:12:51 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 08, 2006, 01:54:01 pm
*Helps June up off of the floor and gives her a LARGE brandy* There ya go hun.  ;) ;) ;D ;D
*takes a HUGE gulp of Souxi's brandy but still feels weak*

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 08, 2006, 03:21:19 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 08, 2006, 02:51:41 pm
Any more props folks?  :)

Edna's chocolate cake maybe? Or do we already have a picture of that?

And thank you for that wonderful Red Stallion photo session!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 08, 2006, 07:08:24 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 08, 2006, 03:21:19 pm
Edna's chocolate cake maybe? Or do we already have a picture of that?

And thank you for that wonderful Red Stallion photo session!  :)
You're welcome Fabienne.  :)


Okay..chocolate cake.  I don't think we have this in the gallery yet!


EDNA'S RICH CHOCALATE CAKE:

(http://www.cakesmalaysia.com/images/cake9.jpg)


275g (10oz) Soft Brown Sugar
225g (8oz) Plain Flour
225ml (8 floz) Milk
135g (5oz) Butter
3 Eggs
50g (2oz) Plain Chocolate (70% Cocoa Solids)
1 tbsp Black Treacle
2 level tsp Baking Powder
1 tsp Vanilla Essence
½ level tsp Bicarbonate of Soda
¼ tsp Salt

Icing
450g (1lb) Sugar
150ml (¼ pint) Milk
110g (4oz) Butter
50g (2oz) Plain Chocolate (70% Cocoa Solids)
1 heaped tbsp Cocoa
1 tbsp Golden Syrup

Preheat oven to 180°C: 350°F: Gas 4.
Sift together the flour, baking powder, bicarbonate of soda and salt.
Place the chocolate and milk into a bowl over a saucepan that is over a very low heat and allow to slowly melt, then allow to cool.
Mix the butter and sugar together until creamy.
Beat the eggs and gradually add to the butter and sugar mixture, adding a little of the flour.
Stir in the treacle and vanilla essence, mixing well.
Fold in the remaining flour.
Gradually add the chocolate mixture to form a thick batter.
Divide the mixture between two 18cm (7 inch) sandwich tins.
Bake for 30 - 35 minutes.
Turn out on to a wire rack and allow to cool.

To make the icing
Place the all of the ingredients into a heavy based saucepan, heat gently until the sugar is fully dissolved.
Bring to the boil, stirring constantly.
Allow to cool for about 10 minutes, then beat until think enough to spread.
Use half of the mixture to spread between the two layers of cake.
Use the remainder to spread on top and sides of the cake.
Work quickly using a knife dipped into warm water.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 08, 2006, 08:08:33 pm
OH Yummy Milli! I LOOOOVE chocolate cake, or anything chocolatey for that matter!  ;D

I don't think I'll be trying out that recipe though because I suck at cooking and baking! LOL  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 08, 2006, 08:55:56 pm
We don’t have a picture of skunk piss either but here is some skunk spray. Will that do?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/skunk.jpg)

and of , course, a skunk.

(http://www.puppetjungle.com/images/skunk.gif)

Maybe Ennis could get Ellery a buckle with a skunk pissing into the wind!

(http://www.spray-on.com/images/skunk.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 08, 2006, 09:03:39 pm
OH man! that's so hilarious!! RLMFAO  :laugh:  :laugh:

And I SO need to go to bed!!!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 08, 2006, 09:13:00 pm
How's this late entry for the gallery: an Ellery's-eye view of Ennis returning home ready
to get fancy after a hard day at the office!

PS He really has to persuade Ennis to let him buy a new truck!

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f12/MrGulliver/Lashes2/bm001.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 08, 2006, 10:32:28 pm
Love the pic of Ennis and his truck!

Saw this guy on TV tonight - don't know if he's British or what - but thought he has a lovely accent.  He's currently on Desperate Housewives.  Maybe he's distinguished looking enough to be considered for 'Jeeves.'     :-\

This is what he looks like:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 08, 2006, 11:21:29 pm
Hey NV!

That handsome Scottish gentleman is infact Dougray Scott.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 08, 2006, 11:26:30 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 08, 2006, 08:55:56 pm
We don’t have a picture of skunk piss either but here is some skunk spray. Will that do?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/skunk.jpg)


Umm... the only kind of skunk fluid I have in the gallery at the moment is Decaffeinated coffee..
Something tells me this skunk spray will be a little too hardcore for Ellery ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 08, 2006, 11:34:55 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 08, 2006, 09:13:00 pm
How's this late entry for the gallery: an Ellery's-eye view of Ennis returning home ready
to get fancy after a hard day at the office!

PS He really has to persuade Ennis to let him buy a new truck!

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f12/MrGulliver/Lashes2/bm001.jpg)




Ennis rushes into the house, ready to get riled .. but Ellery is showered and ready to head out to the Red Stallion for some kind of business or other.  He drags Ennis along with him.  They arrive at the bar, Wayne shows up with a camera and starts messing about ..hence ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/d01db325.jpg)


Ennis is pouting and sulky because:
(a)  He hates pictures
(b)  Wayne was just eyeing Ellery's derriere in them jeans
(c)  That overpowering wife of the DA has been breathing down his throat at the ranch (literally)
(d)  Ellery is smiling and seems to enjoy posing for Wayne and his stupid-ass camera..
(e)  He'd rather be at home unleashing The Hungry Coyote!

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 08, 2006, 11:57:36 pm

Ennis is pouting and sulky because:
(a)  He hates pictures
(b)  Wayne was just eyeing Ellery's derriere in them jeans
(c)  That overpowering wife of the DA has been breathing down his throat at the ranch (literally)
(d)  Ellery is smiling and seems to enjoy posing for Wayne and his stupid-ass camera..
(e)  He'd rather be at home unleashing The Hungry Coyote!


I vote for:  All of the above!  LOL!   :laugh:   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 09, 2006, 02:03:57 am
(http://taxine.com/fullerspicer/heath_williams.jpg)

Is Ennis in need of a charm makeover?

Maybe Ellery should consider enrolling Ennis in Charm School, where, according to one charm school curriculum, Ennis would learn:

•   Small talk/ attentive listening. The art of conversation, light banter, use of foreign phrases; eye contact, earnest gazing, unisex eye batting, etc.

•   Formalities.  Impressive introduction, salutations, endearing good-byes, thank-you notes, extending invitations, responding to invitations, etc.

•   How to tell somebody something they'd rather not hear. Practice conversational formula for expressing yourself honestly and respectfully in sticky situations both personal and public.

•   Mastering your world non-verbally. Eye-catching, hand gestures, non-verbal cues, etc. (I can just imagine the hand gestures Ennis would use in class!)

Ennis would be expected to read the prescribed textbook The Art of Civilized Conversation: How to Express Yourself with Grace and Style.

On second thoughts … nah! Love that boy just as he is!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 09, 2006, 05:44:18 am
Milli and Jo - you gals spoil us soo much with all this great and hilarious stuff!  :laugh:

Thanks so much  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 09, 2006, 07:31:40 am
Hmm, what is Ennis up to?

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/bm003.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/bm002.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 09, 2006, 07:36:25 am
Hmm,  looks like a deleted scene outside of Alma jrs house.     Maybe Ennis was tidying up the truck while waiting for her?    Lord knows he doesn't want to go inside and see his ex wife!    Too bad it didn't make it into the final cut.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 09, 2006, 07:41:47 am
*sighs*  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/x2pre6.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/x2pre4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 09, 2006, 07:44:48 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 09, 2006, 07:36:25 am
Hmm,  looks like a deleted scene outside of Alma jrs house.     Maybe Ennis was tidying up the truck while waiting for her?    Lord knows he doesn't want to go inside and see his ex wife!    Too bad it didn't make it into the final cut.

Could be. I wonder when the CD with deleted scenes is coming out or if it is ever coming out!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 09, 2006, 09:52:41 am
Quote from: louisev on October 08, 2006, 02:58:25 pm

think of me kindly tomorrow if you don't get an update!

We always think kindly of you Louise. We can hardly complain if you don't get to update for a day or so - good lord, we're spoilt enough as it is. However, it does turn into a daily addiction  ;D

We can amuse ourselves with speculation about some of the various threads. I'm dying to see what Ennis has planned for Ellery in terms of a token of affection. Also glad to see a strong female character enter the scene. Will she set foot in the Red Stallion? I think the chaps there might take to her, even if Ellery has a huge blind spot when it comes to women (which I find a little odd as most gay guys that I know have close female friends).

Loved Ellery reminding Ennis that if anyone knows about their bedroom habits it wasn't from Ellery that they heard it  ;D

Karen

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 09, 2006, 09:57:29 am
Since I have sunk so deeply into Hugh Jackman fanitis I figured I could help all of you who haven't yet succumbed:

November 22 is the premiere of science-fiction fantasy "The Fountain" starring Rachel Weisz and Hugh, and has gotten mixed reviews from critics at the Toronto International Film Festival.  This is an "either you love it or you hate it" reaction, but one of the "love it" reviewers from the Chicago Tribune said it is "the rebirth of Hugh Jackman's career" and credits the success of the film largely to him.  The Fountain will receive the $25,000 Alfred P. Sloan Foundation Award, to be presented at the Hamptons International Film Festival, which takes place Oct. 18-22 on Long Island, New York; the cash prize is awarded to "a feature-length film that explores science and technology themes in fresh, innovative ways and depicts scientists and engineers in a realistic and compelling fashion".

October 30, "The Prestige" starring Hugh and Christian Bale, with Michael Caine, Scarlett Johannsen and David Bowie, has been extremely favorably reviewed, as a fantasy history period piece that "in some places, looks like Batman" according to a reviewer who gave it 5 1/2 stars out of 6.

And the DVD of X-Men 3: The Last Stand, starring, of course - Hugh, came out last week!
 
Hopefully tonight I will have some time to write the next chapter, and to complete screening of the Youtube sections of "Kate and Leopold."  My God does Hugh look great in those tight white riding pants.

And what has that to do with E & E?  It provides me inspiration in writing Ellery, of course.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 09, 2006, 10:15:09 am
Louise, I checked and the domain name: www.hughnlou.com is available...for when you start creating your Hugh Jackman website.

Just so you know...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 09, 2006, 10:35:13 am
IMHO if the LS was ever made into a movie, as it should be, that would do wonders for Hughs career. The fact that we,d get to see him in uniform and tiny cutoffs has got nothing to do with it. Has it June? ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 09, 2006, 11:12:09 am
Quote from: souxi on October 09, 2006, 10:35:13 am
IMHO if the LS was ever made into a movie, as it should be, that would do wonders for Hughs career. The fact that we,d get to see him in uniform and tiny cutoffs has got nothing to do with it. Has it June? ;) ;) ;) ;D
Nope nothing at all Souxi  ::)  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 09, 2006, 12:16:05 pm
Louise is at the store right now, buying melons and dishwashing liquid. Let's have a little treat for her when she gets back, shall we?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/kate_e_leopold_2.jpg)


She admits to being mesmerized by these white pants.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 09, 2006, 12:24:12 pm
I kind of hte that movie, but Hugh is super yummy in it.  Then again...when is Hugh NOT super yummy?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 09, 2006, 12:27:05 pm
Quote from: MadLori on October 09, 2006, 12:24:12 pm
I kind of hte that movie, but Hugh is super yummy in it.  Then again...when is Hugh NOT super yummy?

It is amazing how much I am willing to put up with in a movie when someone is being super yummy...like this one (Kate & Leopold), or A Knight's Tale, with Heath. Aw, hell, I even liked Titanic. A lot.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 09, 2006, 12:56:05 pm
*typity type type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 09, 2006, 01:03:16 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 09, 2006, 12:27:05 pm
It is amazing how much I am willing to put up with in a movie when someone is being super yummy...like this one (Kate & Leopold), or A Knight's Tale, with Heath. Aw, hell, I even liked Titanic. A lot.

L
I saw "A Knight's Tale "on Sat pm and there are some very yummy Heath bits. Right at the end a very close close-up :-* :-* :-*
Of course he was a lot younger then, didn't have that lovely Ennis roughness. :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 09, 2006, 01:15:26 pm
I want to see the naked rear-end shot of Hugh that got cut out of "Van Helsing".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 09, 2006, 01:30:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 09, 2006, 01:15:26 pm
I want to see the naked rear-end shot of Hugh that got cut out of "Van Helsing".

hmm, a wild guess here louise: are you writing a getting fancy chapter?  ::)

thanks in advance  ;D

Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 09, 2006, 01:34:45 pm
heheheh no, you guessed wrong. 

http://louisev.livejournal.com/130649.html  "Chapter 20:  Business As Usual"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 09, 2006, 03:11:17 pm
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on October 09, 2006, 01:34:45 pm
heheheh no, you guessed wrong. 

http://louisev.livejournal.com/130649.html  "Chapter 20:  Business As Usual"

Nice chapter! Ellery ought to give Dupree a raise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 09, 2006, 03:16:03 pm
Quote from: katecaton on October 09, 2006, 01:03:16 pm
I saw "A Knight's Tale "on Sat pm and there are some very yummy Heath bits. Right at the end a very close close-up :-* :-* :-*
Of course he was a lot younger then, didn't have that lovely Ennis roughness. :P
I quite liked "A Knights Tale" and I agree about the very yummy Heath bits  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 09, 2006, 03:18:45 pm
Right I,m off for the night. Peeing with rain ere it is.  :(  Nite all, nite June. Be good.  ;) ;D :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 09, 2006, 04:03:17 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 09, 2006, 03:18:45 pm
Right I,m off for the night. Peeing with rain ere it is.  :(  Nite all, nite June. Be good.  ;) ;D :-*
Nite dear Souxi  :-*

I'm always good....... :P

 8)

BTW - still haven't got my zine  :(  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 09, 2006, 04:06:58 pm
SPOILER

So, Clyde likes cowboys eh?

Ha ha ha ha....

Is a certain cowboy we all know and love working tonight?  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 09, 2006, 04:09:22 pm
Quote from: katecaton on October 09, 2006, 01:03:16 pm
I saw "A Knight's Tale "on Sat pm and there are some very yummy Heath bits. Right at the end a very close close-up :-* :-* :-*
Of course he was a lot younger then, didn't have that lovely Ennis roughness. :P

I watched AKT on Saturday pm too Kate!  I liked it for what it was - a silly medieval romp.  I'm not a fan of Heath with long hair but he did look very handsome in this, especially when he was dancing, which is my favourite part of the film.  That boy can dance.  :)

Sorry o/t.   To get back on topic, I cant wait to see what Ennis has got Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 09, 2006, 04:32:38 pm
I happened to catch your comment on today's chapter, Christie, and I just wanted to mention that I have no plan for either Ennis or Ellery to wander.  Some people have speculated that Ellery is interested in Dupree... but being confused and overly-curious isn't the same as sexual interest.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 09, 2006, 04:34:50 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 09, 2006, 04:32:38 pm
I happened to catch your comment on today's chapter, Christie, and I just wanted to mention that I have no plan for either Ennis or Ellery to wander.  Some people have speculated that Ellery is interested in Dupree... but being confused and overly-curious isn't the same as sexual interest.
Phew Louise. I really wouldn't have liked that  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 09, 2006, 04:35:17 pm
Quote from: christie wood on October 09, 2006, 04:09:22 pm
That boy can dance.  :)
 

He can kiss, too. Well, duh, we all know that but I finally saw 10 Things I Hate About You. That had some good Heath kisses, I have to say. He doesn't kiss like a high schooler, though, he kisses like he knows what he is doing.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Screenshots_-_10_Things_154.jpg)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 09, 2006, 04:52:17 pm
I love Heath's hands .....

Reminds me of his hands on Jack's face ......

Sorry for being OT
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 09, 2006, 05:12:17 pm
No one needs to worry about there being "competition" for the boys.  That isnt what this story is about.  Wayne can look and slaver all he likes, but I didn't write 800,000 words so far just for the growing intimacy between Ennis and Ellery to get sidelined by some hunk in the Red Stallion, or even five or ten of them!  Sexual tension, interest, and talk are all part of what happens in a social environment.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 09, 2006, 05:23:13 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 09, 2006, 04:35:17 pm
He can kiss, too. Well, duh, we all know that but I finally saw 10 Things I Hate About You. That had some good Heath kisses, I have to say. He doesn't kiss like a high schooler, though, he kisses like he knows what he is doing.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Screenshots_-_10_Things_154.jpg)


Leslie

Apologies for being OT but he SO knows how to kiss. Which makes his tentative little kiss with Jack in the tent so clever. :-*
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/trial3-1.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 09, 2006, 05:25:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 09, 2006, 04:32:38 pm
I happened to catch your comment on today's chapter, Christie, and I just wanted to mention that I have no plan for either Ennis or Ellery to wander.  Some people have speculated that Ellery is interested in Dupree... but being confused and overly-curious isn't the same as sexual interest.

Spoiler
I just red 5-6 latest chapters( after got back Int. connection and Thanksgiving weekend is over),
well I’m confused about Dupree as well as Ellery, probably because I don’t know puzzle out Jeeves and thus can’t understand what kind of relationship should be possible between him  and Dupree. Humbly, I think Ellery is the most curious about this.
From Jeeves’s relentless observing a bar and slightly disapproving attitude toward the Ellery’s way RS is running he could be simply doing some business research and soon became Ellery’s competitor with another more “easy manners” bar.
Or maybe I’m just crazy suspicious.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 09, 2006, 05:40:41 pm
(http://www.adalex.ca/adalex/sisi/david_strathairn.jpg)

David Strathairn

my add to Jeeves gallery, maybe he'll fit
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 09, 2006, 06:12:17 pm
now if I gave away what Jeeves is all about then we wouldn't have a story, would we?

But I have made these comments to clarify that there is no plan for there to be a romantic rivalry with the main characters.  But you'll have to read to find out what is going on with Jeeves and Dupree...because that part has not been revealed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 09, 2006, 06:53:02 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 09, 2006, 02:03:57 am
(http://taxine.com/fullerspicer/heath_williams.jpg)

Is Ennis in need of a charm makeover?

Maybe Ellery should consider enrolling Ennis in Charm School, where, according to one charm school curriculum, Ennis would learn:

•   Small talk/ attentive listening. The art of conversation, light banter, use of foreign phrases; eye contact, earnest gazing, unisex eye batting, etc.

•   Formalities.  Impressive introduction, salutations, endearing good-byes, thank-you notes, extending invitations, responding to invitations, etc.

•   How to tell somebody something they'd rather not hear. Practice conversational formula for expressing yourself honestly and respectfully in sticky situations both personal and public.

•   Mastering your world non-verbally. Eye-catching, hand gestures, non-verbal cues, etc. (I can just imagine the hand gestures Ennis would use in class!)

Ennis would be expected to read the prescribed textbook The Art of Civilized Conversation: How to Express Yourself with Grace and Style.

On second thoughts … nah! Love that boy just as he is!              that is down right creepy and disgusting on so so many levels...janice

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 09, 2006, 07:09:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 09, 2006, 06:12:17 pm
now if I gave away what Jeeves is all about then we wouldn't have a story, would we?

But I have made these comments to clarify that there is no plan for there to be a romantic rivalry with the main characters. 
yes, and what a story keeping me on the needles; first kind of detective story which totaly catches my attention :)
 
so Ellery is just curious on all fields,  we say - he suffers from his proffesion syndrome-( hope the translation  makes sense)
I love his portraying in last parts as “human”-imperfect  Ellery, instead of exemplary, properly behaving in any situation,  main character

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 10, 2006, 04:43:48 am
Quote from: louisev on October 09, 2006, 05:12:17 pm
No one needs to worry about there being "competition" for the boys.  That isnt what this story is about.  Wayne can look and slaver all he likes, but I didn't write 800,000 words so far just for the growing intimacy between Ennis and Ellery to get sidelined by some hunk in the Red Stallion, or even five or ten of them!  Sexual tension, interest, and talk are all part of what happens in a social environment.

Exactly, especially after their conversation at the Honeymoon Cottage. Being attracted to another human being is just human nature, it doesnt mean it has to lead somewhere. Of course both of them can look at other guys and think they are attractive, but it doesnt mean either one of them has the slightest intention of straying. After all they,ve been through together that would be crazy. They really do have something special together. Louise, apolgies if you answered this before, but this commitment ceremony..is it going to be something private just between them two or are Edna and Wes going to be there too? Whatever it is, I know everyone is looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 05:08:43 am
Quote from: souxi on October 10, 2006, 04:43:48 am
Louise, apolgies if you answered this before, but this commitment ceremony..is it going to be something private just between them two or are Edna and Wes going to be there too? Whatever it is, I know everyone is looking forward to it.

Not a bad idea for romantic sucker like us, but frankly I don't see Ennis getting all weepy and romantic, and saying silly things to Ellery after reading the inscription on the belt buckle in front of Wes and Edna. Not even in front of Simon and Lauren. I think this ceremony is going to be a private one because Ennis cannot handle this in public IMO. Not yet anyway.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 10, 2006, 05:33:02 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 05:08:43 am
Not a bad idea for romantic sucker like us, but frankly I don't see Ennis getting all weepy and romantic, and saying silly things to Ellery after reading the inscription on the belt buckle in front of Wes and Edna. Not even in front of Simon and Lauren. I think this ceremony is going to be a private one because Ennis cannot handle this in public IMO. Not yet anyway.

Well he doesnt have to get weepy and romantic, althought that would be nice lol. They save that for when they have the mushy romantic cute talks after sex lol. We like that btw Louise lol. Oh well, we shall see what our author decides. Whatever happens, I,m sure we,ll have tears in our eyes lol. I know I will, and I just know June will, wont you?  ;)  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 10, 2006, 05:36:24 am
Quote from: louisev on October 09, 2006, 04:32:38 pm
I happened to catch your comment on today's chapter, Christie, and I just wanted to mention that I have no plan for either Ennis or Ellery to wander.  Some people have speculated that Ellery is interested in Dupree... but being confused and overly-curious isn't the same as sexual interest.

Hi Louise and thanks for reassuring me, I don't want you to think that I was criticising the storyline in anyway, I was just perplexed by Ellery's behaviour regarding Dupree.

I am glad that its just curious and confusion on Ellery's part, and nothing more.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 10, 2006, 05:37:32 am
Quote from: louisev on October 09, 2006, 05:12:17 pm
No one needs to worry about there being "competition" for the boys.  That isnt what this story is about.  Wayne can look and slaver all he likes, but I didn't write 800,000 words so far just for the growing intimacy between Ennis and Ellery to get sidelined by some hunk in the Red Stallion, or even five or ten of them!  Sexual tension, interest, and talk are all part of what happens in a social environment.

You are completely right Louise.  I have completely overreacted about this and I will now shut up about it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 10, 2006, 05:40:21 am
Quote from: souxi on October 10, 2006, 04:43:48 am
Exactly, especially after their conversation at the Honeymoon Cottage. Being attracted to another human being is just human nature, it doesnt mean it has to lead somewhere. Of course both of them can look at other guys and think they are attractive, but it doesnt mean either one of them has the slightest intention of straying. After all they,ve been through together that would be crazy. They really do have something special together. Louise, apolgies if you answered this before, but this commitment ceremony..is it going to be something private just between them two or are Edna and Wes going to be there too? Whatever it is, I know everyone is looking forward to it.

You are so right souxi.  I dont know what was wrong with me, fretting so much over Ellery and Dupree.

As for the commitment ceremony I cannot see Ennis and Ellery having this in front of anyone.  I think it will just be the two of them, alone, at home.  It will be emotional, but special and private.  IMHO.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 06:44:45 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 10, 2006, 05:40:21 am
As for the commitment ceremony I cannot see Ennis and Ellery having this in front of anyone.  I think it will just be the two of them, alone, at home.  It will be emotional, but special and private.  IMHO.

Exactly. Ennis is a private man, and Ellery keeps repeating it. Perhaps they could have a nice private ceremony at the patio, with the humming birds as the only witnesses. Ennis will probably like that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 10, 2006, 07:14:46 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 06:44:45 am
Exactly. Ennis is a private man, and Ellery keeps repeating it. Perhaps they could have a nice private ceremony at the patio, with the humming birds as the only witnesses. Ennis will probably like that.

Holy Christ woman, I,ve got tears in my eyes already thinking of that now lol. ::) I think thats lovely...*sniff* :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 10, 2006, 07:47:14 am
I have a feeling that Ellery has no problem with public displays of affection etc but restrains himself for Ennis' peace of mind. Although how even Ennis can restrain himself even in public having Ellery within grabbing distance is beyond me. I mean just look at him!

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh5.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 08:20:11 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 10, 2006, 07:47:14 am
I have a feeling that Ellery has no problem with public displays of affection etc but restrains himself for Ennis' peace of mind. Although how even Ennis can restrain himself even in public having Ellery within grabbing distance is beyond me. I mean just look at him!

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh5.jpg)

Well, Ellery has no problems kissing Ennis hello or goodbye in front of Wes or Alma, Jr.  However, he doesn't like public displays of affection either. He told it to Simon.  When Ellery receives Ennis's token, he'll probably cry a river, and Ennis is going to blush. So, it'll probably be an uncomfortable situation for both of them if they make the engagement ceremony somthing public or semi public. Perhaps, later on in their lives when Ennis is finally used to his life with a man, they might be able to do something in front of their friends. An anniversary celebration or somthing like that. But now is too soon, IMO.

Jo, thanx for the pic! He's so dreamy *sighs*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 10, 2006, 08:29:42 am
This is slightly OT but in case anyone hasn't discovered it...over on the "Anything Goes" board is a thread called Affection: Exclusively Devoted to Male Images. Some pretty nice pics over there. There is one of two guys sleeping that I was swooning over a bit this morning. So, I recommend you give it a gander, if you are interested. Roland posts a new pic every day.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 10, 2006, 09:26:42 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 06:44:45 am
Exactly. Ennis is a private man, and Ellery keeps repeating it. Perhaps they could have a nice private ceremony at the patio, with the humming birds as the only witnesses. Ennis will probably like that.
I'd actually prefer it to be just the two of them......  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 10, 2006, 09:28:08 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 10, 2006, 07:47:14 am
I have a feeling that Ellery has no problem with public displays of affection etc but restrains himself for Ennis' peace of mind. Although how even Ennis can restrain himself even in public having Ellery within grabbing distance is beyond me. I mean just look at him!

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh5.jpg)

MM I completly see your point there. If he was in grabbing distance of me I think I,d be arrested!! :o :o :o I,m with you. I have no idea how Ennis restrains himself. I know June wouldnt either. Would you? ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 10, 2006, 09:30:43 am
Quote from: souxi on October 10, 2006, 05:33:02 am
Well he doesnt have to get weepy and romantic, althought that would be nice lol. They save that for when they have the mushy romantic cute talks after sex lol. We like that btw Louise lol. Oh well, we shall see what our author decides. Whatever happens, I,m sure we,ll have tears in our eyes lol. I know I will, and I just know June will, wont you?  ;)  ;) ;D
OH definitely Souxi   :'(

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 10, 2006, 09:36:58 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 10, 2006, 09:26:42 am
I'd actually prefer it to be just the two of them......  :)

Yeah thinking about it, your right hun. I mean, if they feel all emotional afterwards, they,ll probably feel like getting fancy, and they couldnt do that with Wes and Enda around. *SIGH* :P :P :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 10, 2006, 11:33:58 am
Quote from: souxi on October 10, 2006, 09:36:58 am
Yeah thinking about it, your right hun. I mean, if they feel all emotional afterwards, they,ll probably feel like getting fancy, and they couldnt do that with Wes and Enda around. *SIGH* :P :P :)

Yes, Wes and Edna, this would be “the maximally public” ceremony Ennis could stand   ;), already he got comfy with her, asking for opinion and advices about Ellery and their relationship.
I wish they would do it front of them or at least let them know during super and have a toast maybe :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 10, 2006, 12:03:47 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 06:44:45 am
Exactly. Ennis is a private man, and Ellery keeps repeating it. Perhaps they could have a nice private ceremony at the patio, with the humming birds as the only witnesses. Ennis will probably like that.

That is such a lovely idea, I like that a lot.  Ennis has a thing about those birds, doesn't he? 

The patio is a perfect place for the ceremony - maybe after their lovely committment ceremony and exchanges of love tokens, they can take a trip to France.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on October 10, 2006, 12:04:20 pm
Not to be a broken record here, but maybe after their private ceremony they can have that slow dance I'm dying for!

Anyway: I spent some time researching international time zones and have made a few changes in our members' locations list. (Useless but fascinating tidbit: Did you know that China has only one time zone, in spite of spanning several zones of other countries?) Thus the new list is as accurate as I know how to make it and includes a couple of new names. Is there a mistake on your entry? Let me know! As a former proofreader, accuracy is a pet peeve of mine.

Do you want on this list? Let me know via PM or post, and tell me if you want your first name added as well.

Locations update, in alphabetical order:

Ballymay:  Toronto, Ontario, Canada (EDT)
Belbbmfan:  Leuven, Belgium (CET=EDT+5)
Bigheart/June:  Bergschenhoek, Holland (CET=EDT+5)
CarolK1943:  Somewhere, Michigan (EDT)
Christie wood/Christie:  Liverpool, UK (WET=EDT+5)
DavidinHartford/David:  Hartford (duh), Connecticut (EDT)
DeeDee:  Baltimore, Maryland (EDT)
gn411:  St. Petersburg, Florida (EDT)
Helen/Helen:  Somewhere, UK (WET=EDT+5)
JennyC:  San Francisco, California (PDT=EDT-3)
Laurel:  Rocky Hill, Connecticut (EDT)
Littleguitar/Mandy:  St. Louis, Missouri (CDT=EDT-1)
Louisev/Louise:  Saarbrücken, Germany (CET=EDT+5)
LoveEmBoys:  Somewhere, Colorado (MDT=EDT-2)
Lucise:  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (MDT=EDT-2)
Madlori/Lori:  Columbus, Ohio (EDT)
Magicmountain/Jo:  Sydney, Australia (AEDT=EDT+15)
Mainewriter/Leslie:  Portland, Maine (EDT)
Moremojo/Scott:  Austin, Texas (CDT=EDT-1)
Navyvet:  Somewhere, Florida (EDT)
Neatfreak/Betty:  Indianapolis, Indiana (EDT)
notBastet:  Somewhere, North Carolina (EDT)
Opinionista/Natali: Madrid, Spain (CET=EDT+5)
Pastorfred/Fred:  Moscow, Idaho (PDT=EDT-3)
Quiplash:  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (CDT=EDT-1)
Ranchgal:  Northern Plains of South Dakota (CDT=EDT-1)
Scudder:  Tucson, Arizona (MST=EDT-3, for now)
Tamarack:  Vienna, Maine (EDT)
Yb:  Hongkong, China (CST=EDT+12)

neatfreak/Betty
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 10, 2006, 12:40:09 pm
Not to be a broken record here, but maybe after their private ceremony they can have that slow dance I'm dying for!

  No NF your not being a Broken record atall. I hadnt thought of that. Brilliant idea. We did discuss what song they could dance to a while back and I still think that song by Eric Bennet, "the last time" is perfect. *SIGH* :P :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 10, 2006, 12:48:31 pm
you folks really sound like you need a new chapter, so off I am to have dinner and typity type type.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 01:40:40 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 10, 2006, 12:48:31 pm
you folks really sound like you need a new chapter, so off I am to have dinner and typity type type.

We certainly do. We're having some serious withdrawal symptoms, in case you haven't noticed  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 10, 2006, 02:48:02 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/131035.html  "Chapter 21:  Another Lost Weekend"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 10, 2006, 03:20:18 pm
Just popping in after my lunch break .. Time for another pic ..


Mr Coyote sits back and enjoys the aftermath of a night of nipping and hunting!!   ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/11967da4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 10, 2006, 03:30:45 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 10, 2006, 03:20:18 pm
Just popping in after my lunch break .. Time for another pic ..


Mr Coyote sits back and enjoys the aftermath of a night of nipping and hunting!!   ;D



Oh, yummy, Lucise!

Love it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 10, 2006, 03:31:16 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 10, 2006, 03:20:18 pm
Just popping in after my lunch break .. Time for another pic ..


Mr Coyote sits back and enjoys the aftermath of a night of nipping and hunting!!   ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/11967da4.jpg)


phew, i don't know what luch breaks you're having to come up with pictures like these, but can i have some?  ;D

thank you!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 10, 2006, 03:45:43 pm

Proof that Hugh really has hazel eyes:  (I was stunned)

(http://img.atpictures.com/hughj/jackman010.jpg)

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5152/prestigeua6.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 10, 2006, 03:49:40 pm
Whooooweeee Milli!!   ;D

More! Please?!  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 10, 2006, 03:51:16 pm
*SIGH* 

He's beautiful, Louise   :)

Thanks!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 10, 2006, 04:05:49 pm
You know I neve really took much notice of Hugh Jackman until he was cast as Ellery. Now however...

SPOILER



I really enjoyed the most recent chapter (with the surprise ending). Now, what I'm wondering is why Ellery is never what you might call discreet in these circumstances. Most of us, if caught en flagrante, would cover it up or mumble something about having a lie in or whatever, but not Ellery. He doesn't exactly announce what they've been up to, but he makes sure that all the pointers are there. The girls could have been none the wiser about what was going on before they arrived, he could have just shown them into the living room and let Ennis join them.

BTW the opening to this chapter was hot!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 10, 2006, 04:25:24 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 10, 2006, 03:31:16 pm

phew, i don't know what luch breaks you're having to come up with pictures like these, but can i have some?  ;D

thank you!

lol..I dint do it during my lunch break ..
I was out having a nice teriyaki cheese steak sandwich then .. so yummy!
But glad you approve!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 10, 2006, 04:37:36 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 10, 2006, 04:05:49 pm
You know I neve really took much notice of Hugh Jackman until he was cast as Ellery. Now however...

SPOILER



I really enjoyed the most recent chapter (with the surprise ending). No what I'm wondering is why Ellery is never what you might call discreet in these circumstances. Most of us, if caught en flagrante, would cover it up or mumble something about having a lie in or whatever, but not Ellery. He doesn't exactly announce what they've been up to, but he makes sure that all the pointers are there. The girls could have been none the wiser about what was going on before they arrived, he could have just shown them into the living room and let Ennis join them.

BTW the opening to this chapter was hot!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

Karen

Now see, that's what I love about Ellery, he's just who he is and I love it.  Its just another thing I find attractive about him.  He was kind of vague with Wes, but I think he was seriously pissed off with the girls turning up - probably because it was the girls.  Especially as they hadnt phoned ahead to say they were coming.  He probably enjoyed rubbing in their faces, so to speak.  I thought that was funny cos they pissed me off for turning up and ruining their Saturday morning loving.   

Did you notice how Ellery spotted the dirt on the car he'd given Junior!  I have a feeling that these girls are not going to get treated like the Queen while they are there!  Let's hope its a fleeting visit.

I want Ennis and Ellery to enjoy the rest of the weekend.  For purely selfish reasons, of course.  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 10, 2006, 04:44:58 pm
Quote from: christie wood on October 10, 2006, 04:37:36 pm
I think he was seriously pissed off with the girls turning up - probably because it was the girls.  Especially as they hadnt phoned ahead to say they were coming. 

 I have a feeling that these girls are not going to get treated like the Queen while they are there!  Let's hope its a fleeting visit.

I want Ennis and Ellery to enjoy the rest of the weekend.  For purely selfish reasons, of course.  ;)


You know what, I think that you're right. A phone call from the girls would have smoothed the way considerably. I just hope they're not going to pull any more manipulative stunts with Ennis because Ellery will make no bones about putting them straight.

I to hope they enjoy the rest of their weekend - and I suspect our reasons just might be the same  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 10, 2006, 05:02:25 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 10, 2006, 04:05:49 pm
You know I neve really took much notice of Hugh Jackman until he was cast as Ellery. Now however...

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me neither, my first though about Ellery visage was this - Tommy Flanagan  and after reading about his delicate state this guy fitted quite well – about 40,tall,  absolutely skinny , apparently survived  an  accident, but of course he is not that handsome as Hugh :(
(http://www.adalex.ca/adalex/sisi/ellery.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Front-Ranger on October 10, 2006, 05:06:45 pm
I have had a major jones for this guy ever since I saw him in Gladiator. It's the same guy, right? Recently I read The Time-Traveler's Wife and pictured him as Henry, the main character.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 10, 2006, 05:18:02 pm
about new chapter:

The  girls miss some part of decent behavior they could call Ennis, let him know they were coming, unless, they really came to see their dad. This might be just good excuse ;)
We know they lost their eyes for Ellery, and he is right now not helping to "calm them down" ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 10, 2006, 05:25:57 pm
Quote from: Front-Ranger on October 10, 2006, 05:06:45 pm
I have had a major jones for this guy ever since I saw him in Gladiator. It's the same guy, right? Recently I read The Time-Traveler's Wife and pictured him as Henry, the main character.

yes it's him

I saw him in  Sunset Strip  playing gay or bisexual  underground rock star with long hair. He was stunning.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 10, 2006, 05:31:14 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/131314.html  "Chapter 22:  Cozying Up"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 10, 2006, 06:17:02 pm
And now, more Dupree stuff to worry about! What is going on with him?  :laugh:

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 10, 2006, 06:20:18 pm
Who knows Leslie, and why is he always so vague? Lets hope he reveals all when he gets to Ellery's house. 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 10, 2006, 06:34:23 pm
Quote from: christie wood on October 10, 2006, 06:20:18 pm
Who knows Leslie, and why is he always so vague? Lets hope he reveals all when he gets to Ellery's house. 


I bet Louise will keep us hanging on for much much longer!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 07:08:23 pm
Spoilers

Quote from: louisev on October 10, 2006, 05:31:14 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/131314.html  "Chapter 22:  Cozying Up"

Okay. I take it back, they aren't pain! LOL . Actually, it was sweet after all. Very nice of them to make the fig bars for Ellery. I think I can imagine what Dupree wants to talk to Ellery about, but I aint telling!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 10, 2006, 07:15:54 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 10, 2006, 07:08:23 pm
Spoilers

Okay. I take it back, they aren't pain! LOL . Actually, it was sweet after all. Very nice of them to make the fig bars for Ellery. I think I can imagine what Dupree wants to talk to Ellery about, but I aint telling!  ;D

Awwww Natali!  Come on, do tell!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 04:10:35 am
SPOILER


That was a great chapter. I loved the whole thing of the boys trying to pull themselves together. Ellery minus belt, losing his jeans - yum!

If it's purely a quick social visit from the girls, then that's nice, however, I hope they don't have any other agenda. And now Dupree being added to the mix. Dying to hear what he needs to discuss so urgently with Ellery on a Saturday morning.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 05:57:56 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/131529.html  "Chapter 23:  The Mysterious Jeeves"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 11, 2006, 06:11:39 am
Chapter 23 SPOILER
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   I agree that it was right for Dupree to say no to Jeeves.    Other than getting into Duprees pants, we don't know if he has other motives.      Ellery should have a full background check done on the guy.   Maybe he is just a wealthy, lonely guy?    Even so,  making a generous offer like that is hard to accept when you just met someone.    It would be different if the knew eachother for a long long time.   And especially if Dupree knew where the money came from, ie: inheritance etc.     Jeeves isn't in Laramie for its great reputation for fine arts and dining.   He is there hiding no doubt.

D~


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 06:34:06 am
SPOILER

Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 11, 2006, 06:11:39 am
Chapter 23 SPOILER
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   I agree that it was right for Dupree to say no to Jeeves.    Other than getting into Duprees pants, we don't know if he has other motives.      Ellery should have a full background check done on the guy.   Maybe he is just a wealthy, lonely guy?    Even so,  making a generous offer like that is hard to accept when you just met someone.    It would be different if the knew eachother for a long long time.   And especially if Dupree knew where the money came from, ie: inheritance etc.     Jeeves isn't in Laramie for its great reputation for fine arts and dining.   He is there hiding no doubt.

D~



Yes, I agree with the idea that he could be hiding, but not necessarily because he did something illegal. He could be running away from a painful situation, or a loss. Maybe he had a lover who died tragically too, like Ennis and couldn't bear to be in a place that reminded him of whoever died.  As for offering Dupree money, it could simply be that Dupree reminds him of that person and Jeeves simply wants to help him out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 06:51:39 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 06:34:06 am
SPOILER

Yes, I agree with the idea that he could be hiding, but not necessarily because he did something illegal. He could be running away from a painful situation, or a loss. Maybe he had a lover who died tragically too, like Ennis and couldn't bear to be in a place that reminded him of whoever died.  As for offering Dupree money, it could simply be that Dupree reminds him of that person and Jeeves simply wants to help him out.

Thats a very romantic notion and it would actually be quite nice if that was the case, but I'm tempting to go with David, I think Jeeves is hiding out. From what or whom I have no idea, but offering to pay off someone's student loans who you have only just met is a bit suspicious.  He may fancy Dupree AND want to get rid of dirty money.

 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 06:53:38 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 04:10:35 am
SPOILER


That was a great chapter. I loved the whole thing of the boys trying to pull themselves together. Ellery minus belt, losing his jeans - yum!

If it's purely a quick social visit from the girls, then that's nice, however, I hope they don't have any other agenda. And now Dupree being added to the mix. Dying to hear what he needs to discuss so urgently with Ellery on a Saturday morning.

Karen

A nice quick social visit if fine with me too - as long as they leave soon!  lol   Ennis and  Ellery need some good, quality time together now that Ellery is feeling better. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 07:05:59 am
You know what I find so curious is that Ennis's daughters get more different reactions from readers than anybody else.  There are those who roll their eyes and say "I hope those girls don't stick around!" and then there are those who say "Oh good, more Ennis and his daughters!"  and I can't quite figure out why that is.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 11, 2006, 07:21:26 am
I think it is nice having the girls in Laramie.    Ennis needs them in his life.   They keep his present tied to his past.      But if they stay, they indeed should live across town!   LOL

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 11, 2006, 07:21:52 am
Quote from: louisev on October 11, 2006, 07:05:59 am
You know what I find so curious is that Ennis's daughters get more different reactions from readers than anybody else.  There are those who roll there eyes an say "I hope those girls don't stick around!" and then there are those who say "Oh good, more Ennis and his daughters!"  and I can't quite figure out why that is.

maybe it's because more daughters means more distractions and ahum, less getting fancy? I like the girls, silly or even inconsiderate as they may be  sometimes. I mean, showing up unannounced at 9 o'clock on a saturday morning? what were they thinking?  ???


I must make sure to tell my daughters that that wouldn't go do well with me either  ;D

i really liked the last chapters louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 07:34:36 am
Quote from: louisev on October 11, 2006, 07:05:59 am
You know what I find so curious is that Ennis's daughters get more different reactions from readers than anybody else.  There are those who roll there eyes an say "I hope those girls don't stick around!" and then there are those who say "Oh good, more Ennis and his daughters!"  and I can't quite figure out why that is.
Well, like I commented on your journal, right now I find them extremely irritating for just arriving like that on a Saturday morning and Ennis always seems so worried about hurting their feelings and feels he has to go along with everything they might suggest. Like cancelling out on Wes just because his daughters show up totally unexpectedly.
I wonder if Alma knows they're visiting their Daddy and Ellery??

At the moment, I just really like reading about Ennis and Ellery together when they are home and not only for the gettin fancy parts. I love their heart to hearts.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 11, 2006, 08:02:29 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 07:34:36 am
Well, like I commented on your journal, right now I find them extremely irritating for just arriving like that on a Saturday morning and Ennis always seems so worried about hurting their feelings and feels he has to go along with everything they might suggest. Like cancelling out on Wes just because his daughters show up totally unexpectedly.
I wonder if Alma knows they're visiting their Daddy and Ellery??

At the moment, I just really like reading about Ennis and Ellery together when they are home and not only for the gettin fancy parts. I love their heart to hearts.

Exactly right June. I,ts not so much that they turn up that annoys me, it,s that they turn up unanounced. They didnt even have the manners to phone first and ask if it was ok. They just assume that they,ll be welcome. God forbid Ennis and Ellery should have had something planned for the weekend. And like you said June, Ennis worries so much about hurting their feelings he always feels he has to give in to them They dont seem to consider his feelings atall. I find them both extreemly immature tbh. Hard to beleive they are supposed to be adults.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 11, 2006, 08:18:06 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 11, 2006, 07:21:52 am
maybe it's because more daughters means more distractions and ahum, less getting fancy? I like the girls, silly or even inconsiderate as they may be  sometimes. I mean, showing up unannounced at 9 o'clock on a saturday morning? what were they thinking?  ???


I think they were thinking they way young, impulsive 18 and 19 year olds think! I really don't think they are all that bad.

To me, Junior must be happy to see her father so happy, especially after having him mope around her house for two years. And now that she is starting to put her head on straight and make some decisions about her life, I think she is very grateful to Ellery for his support. Francie--she's just a little live wire and curious as all get out--but that's not a bad thing. I think one of the things that is sad about all the Del Mars (all of them--Ennis and his brother, Alma, Ennis's children) is that they have all had to grow up so fast. Maybe Francie can be one to enjoy her teenage years a bit more.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 09:02:36 am
Quote from: souxi on October 11, 2006, 08:02:29 am
Exactly right June. I,ts not so much that they turn up that annoys me, it,s that they turn up unanounced. They didnt even have the manners to phone first and ask if it was ok. They just assume that they,ll be welcome. God forbid Ennis and Ellery should have had something planned for the weekend. And like you said June, Ennis worries so much about hurting their feelings he always feels he has to give in to them They dont seem to consider his feelings atall. I find them both extreemly immature tbh. Hard to beleive they are supposed to be adults.

I admit that I find the girls annoying sometimes. However, I agree with David that Ennis needs them in his life. Despite their annoying ways, behaving like brats or showing up unannounced, deep inside both Ennis and Ellery are happy that Junior and Francine accept their relationship. This is very important for men like Ennis, to know and feel that their own kids love them regardless of whom they go to bed with. We have to keep in mind that Ennis spent half his life hiding away in the mountains ashamed of himself and afraid of being discovered. So Junior and Francine's way to show him that it is okay with them that he is in love with a man ought to make him and Ellery immensely happy. Perhaps, E&E should consider planning out some weekends with the girls. Fix the apartment above the stallion so they can have a place to stay, next time they come to visit. But as TH said, Ennis has to find away to set some boundaries without making them feel unwelcome.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 09:09:50 am
A little pause for appreciating Hugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 09:16:32 am
Quote from: louisev on October 11, 2006, 09:09:50 am
A little pause for appreciating Hugh:

Good idea!

This is Hugh...

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/showest06_js5.jpg)


But this is... ELLERY!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/x2pre15.jpg)

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 11, 2006, 09:16:46 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 09:02:36 am
I admit that I find the girls annoying sometimes. However, I agree with David that Ennis needs them in his life. Despite their annoying ways, behaving like brats or showing up unannounced, deep inside both Ennis and Ellery are happy that Junior and Francine accept their relationship. This is very important for men like Ennis, to know and feel that their own kids love them regardless of whom they go to bed with. We have to keep in mind that Ennis spent half his life hiding away in the mountains ashamed of himself and afraid of being discovered. So Junior and Francine's way to show him that it is okay with them that he is in love with a man ought to make him and Ellery immensely happy. Perhaps, E&E should consider planning out some weekends with the girls. Fix the apartment above the stallion so they can have a place to stay, next time they come to visit. But as TH said, Ennis has to find away to set some boundaries without making them feel unwelcome.

Yep agree with everything you said there. I just wish they,d learn to use a phone lol.   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 09:19:29 am
Quote from: souxi on October 11, 2006, 08:02:29 am
Exactly right June. I,ts not so much that they turn up that annoys me, it,s that they turn up unanounced. They didnt even have the manners to phone first and ask if it was ok. They just assume that they,ll be welcome. God forbid Ennis and Ellery should have had something planned for the weekend. And like you said June, Ennis worries so much about hurting their feelings he always feels he has to give in to them They dont seem to consider his feelings atall. I find them both extreemly immature tbh. Hard to beleive they are supposed to be adults.

I totally agree Souxi.  Ennis is very eager to please them both and he is also conscious of Ellery too, who has made it clear about how he see the girls - Junior in particular - manipulating Ennis and he doesnt like it.  So I think Ennis is actually caught in a difficult situation.  But it isnt helped by them turning up unannounced like that.  Like you say, what if they had something planned?  Its not like they've just come from round the corner.

And things were just getting interesting before they turned up.....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 09:20:24 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 09:16:32 am
Good idea!

This is Hugh...

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/showest06_js5.jpg)


But this is... ELLERY!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/x2pre15.jpg)

 ;D  ;D  ;D

Oh both pics are very yummy......Ellery wins every time though for me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 09:20:53 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 09:02:36 am
I admit that I find the girls annoying sometimes. However, I agree with David that Ennis needs them in his life. Despite their annoying ways, behaving like brats or showing up unannounced, deep inside both Ennis and Ellery are happy that Junior and Francine accept their relationship. This is very important for men like Ennis, to know and feel that their own kids love them regardless of whom they go to bed with. We have to keep in mind that Ennis spent half his life hiding away in the mountains ashamed of himself and afraid of being discovered. So Junior and Francine's way to show him that it is okay with them that he is in love with a man ought to make him and Ellery immensely happy. Perhaps, E&E should consider planning out some weekends with the girls. Fix the apartment above the stallion so they can have a place to stay, next time they come to visit. But as TH said, Ennis has to find away to set some boundaries without making them feel unwelcome.

I most definitely agree Ennis needs them in his life and I couldn't be more happier that Junior and Francine accept their relationship and it's not that I don't like them, far from it, they've given me plenty of good giggles; I really enjoyed those chapters where they were giggling over Ennis and Ellery ( although I think I was the only one  :D) it's just that I would have enjoyed reading about their nice and relaxed Saturday morning quality time with each other  :D

I guess there will be plenty more chapters with lovely E and E stuff like that coming up  :)

But before you know it,  this book will be finished too  :'(  I don't even want to think about that  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 09:28:11 am
you know what is funny about those long-hair pictures:  Hugh had that done in the studio for "Van Helsing" and because it was so time-consuming, he left the hair extensions in between shoots, and that included a lot of guest appearances and interviews, as well as being a long-hair at home.  One interviewer commented on the hair, and he said "Yes, I'm a rock star!  Now my son calls me Mummy."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 11, 2006, 09:28:31 am
In the film I felt irritated with the girls (probably unreasonably) because they seemed as screaming babies to be part of that dreadful domestic chaos that Ennis was plunged into and later appeared as a factor keeping Ennis and Jack apart (eg the post divorce kiss-off). They seemed part of what was tying Ennis down in an external sense although we know he was tied down in an internal sense as well.

In summary, I identify them with a bleak period in Ennis' life and this colours my attitude to them now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 11, 2006, 09:32:09 am
Here is a forum devoted to Hugh Jackman photos. Enjoy!

http://p220.ezboard.com/fjackmanstablefrm14.showMessageRange?topicID=199.topic&start=1&stop=20
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 09:33:39 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 11, 2006, 09:28:31 am
In the film I felt irritated with the girls (probably unreasonably) because they seemed as screaming babies to be part of that dreadful domestic chaos that Ennis was plunged into and later appeared as a factor keeping Ennis and Jack apart (eg the post divorce kiss-off). They seemed part of what was tying Ennis down in an external sense although we know he was tied down in an internal sense as well.

In summary, I identify them with a bleak period in Ennis' life and this colours my attitude to them now.

Yeah well but it isn't their fault, is it? I didn't find them annoying. They loved their daddy and they made it very clear in the movie. I felt bad for them in the thanksgiving scene, when Ennis storms out of the house, and they follow him to the porch saying "goodbye daddy", and Ennis doesn't even notice.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 09:36:54 am
Quote from: louisev on October 11, 2006, 09:28:11 am
you know what is funny about those long-hair pictures:  Hugh had that done in the studio for "Van Helsing" and because it was so time-consuming, he left the hair extensions in between shoots, and that included a lot of guest appearances and interviews, as well as being a long-hair at home.  One interviewer commented on the hair, and he said "Yes, I'm a rock star!  Now my son calls me Mummy."

If he only knew how hot he looks with long hair!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 11, 2006, 09:48:28 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 09:36:54 am
If he only knew how hot he looks with long hair!

You don't think he does? LOL

Maybe we can get him to lurk on this thread for a day or two. That would be an enlightening experience!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 09:51:32 am
oh yes, I am sure he knows.  Particularly since "Van Helsing" pulled in $260 million dollars.  It wasn't all Kate Beckinsale's low-cut gowns.

He also knows how hot he looks in his Wolverine costume, because his wife asked him to wear it to bed.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 11, 2006, 09:55:50 am
Although I love, love, LOVE the "Van Helsing" hair, I sometimes think it is a little too long for Ellery. Remember, he does work as a police detective and he seems to be skirting the rules as it is with hair that is over the collar. I picture him more like this (or the picture in my avatar, which continues to be my favorite of all time...)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Nuregwen_006.jpg)


This is from the website Jo posted...thanks for that link! Here's another great one, because I love B&W photos....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Nuregwen_001.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 10:06:53 am
the sexy smirk kills me every time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 10:16:21 am
Here are a few I love of Hugh Jackman. No long hair but oh so gorgeous  ;D  And Leslie, I think your avatar is one of my all time favourites too *SIGH*


(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/HughJblackandwhite.jpg)

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/Hugh.jpg)

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/Hsmiling.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 10:19:20 am
Quote from: louisev on October 11, 2006, 09:51:32 am

He also knows how hot he looks in his Wolverine costume, because his wife asked him to wear it to bed.



OMG LOL!  she did??  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 11, 2006, 10:55:16 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 10:19:20 am
OMG LOL!  she did??  :D

I want to know exactly how Louise knows that then?  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 11:03:54 am
Quote from: souxi on October 11, 2006, 08:02:29 am
Exactly right June. I,ts not so much that they turn up that annoys me, it,s that they turn up unanounced. They didnt even have the manners to phone first and ask if it was ok. They just assume that they,ll be welcome. God forbid Ennis and Ellery should have had something planned for the weekend. And like you said June, Ennis worries so much about hurting their feelings he always feels he has to give in to them They dont seem to consider his feelings atall. I find them both extreemly immature tbh. Hard to beleive they are supposed to be adults.

They don't call because their Dad is their Dad--no appointment necessary!
1980s rural America is casual---I have friends yet, (and I to them) that just walk right in the house and "HELLO"!! Don't even knock----IF I ever called my parents before I dropped in, they would wonder what was wrong!   LOTS of people, esp. family just drop by other family, with no notice, and in WY--it isn't any different now than then, except maybe a few more people actually lock their doors.
After I was married and lived 16 miles from my folks, I would walk right in like I still lived there, been married 29 years, and I still am walking in-both my folks and my in laws- and all my 5 brothers/sisters are the same---and when my Mom or Dad comes to any of our houses, they don't knock, they walk in and yell--Hey, Where are you?    IF there was ever any phone calls asking "are you home?"--we would panic thinking it was a major emergency if they had to check first.
I think you all aren't taking into any account the times or the people/places!

(yes I know it is the irritation of them not being able to continue the "fanciness" that is the sticker, but stuff happens! LOL)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 11, 2006, 11:13:50 am
Quote from: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 11:03:54 am
They don't call because their Dad is their Dad--no appointment necessary!
1980s rural America is casual---I have friends yet, (and they to me) that just walk right in the house and "HELLO"!! Don't even knock----IF I ever called my parents before I dropped in, they would wonder what was wrong!   LOTS of people, esp. family just drop by other family, with no notice, and in WY--it isn't any different now than then, except maybe a few more people actually lock their doors.
After I was married and lived 16 miles from my folks, I would walk right in like I still lived there, been married 29 years, and I still am walking in-both my folks and my in laws- and all my 5 brothers/sisters are the same---and when my Mom or Dad comes to any of our houses, they don't knock, they walk in and yell--Hey, Where are you?    IF there was ever any phone calls asking "are you home?"--we would panic thinking it was a major emergency if they had to check first.
I think you all aren't taking into any account the times or the people/places!

(yes I know it is the irritation of them not being able to continue the "fanciness" that is the sticker, but stuff happens! LOL)

Fair enough ranchgirl. I personally couldnt do something like that myself.The fact that he,s their father makes it even worse in my eyes. They should show some respect.  I think it,s manners to phone first, but hey, I,m British, so I,m weird lol. And dont you dare agree June lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 11:15:46 am
Quote from: souxi on October 11, 2006, 10:55:16 am
I want to know exactly how Louise knows that then?  ;) ;) ;) ;)

This is how I know!

http://www.exposay.com/hugh-jackmans-wife-likes-to-role-play-in-bed/v/2953/
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on October 11, 2006, 11:18:57 am
Agree Ranchgal:  This is family.  They are two young people who thru some things together on a wimm and hit the road!  Wanted to see their Dad and his partner.  If they did call, what would E & E have said anyway, no don't come were planning on boinking our brains out this weekend.  The guys should take the girls action for what it is, a sign that they are excepting them as a couple, and want to be around them. Call family?  Never heard of such a thing!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 11:19:04 am
Souxi, I agree it is probably a manners thing! LOL--just that none of us feel that we really left home--LOL
but then when we walk in our folk's house, everyone of us, check the fridge and and the snack cupboards too! LOL AND steal if there is anything there to eat! LOL ;D  :laugh:

ANd I have walked in my house, and found my Mom, doing my dishes, that she doesn't trust me to finish, or loading up a load of laundry to finish for me.  Maybe wierd also, but it happens all the time around here. :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 11:23:19 am
Quote from: louisev on October 11, 2006, 11:15:46 am
This is how I know!

http://www.exposay.com/hugh-jackmans-wife-likes-to-role-play-in-bed/v/2953/

Fair play to her.

However, I think that the inhabitants of this board would prefer Hugh in his Ellery guise.  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 11:24:07 am
Quote from: souxi on October 11, 2006, 11:13:50 am
Fair enough ranchgirl. I personally couldnt do something like that myself.The fact that he,s their father makes it even worse in my eyes. They should show some respect.  I think it,s manners to phone first, but hey, I,m British, so I,m weird lol. And dont you dare agree June lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D

Maybe thats the difference Souxi, I'm a Brit like you and I wouldnt just turn up unannounced. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 11:25:17 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 10:16:21 am
Here are a few I love of Hugh Jackman. No long hair but oh so gorgeous  ;D  And Leslie, I think your avatar is one of my all time favourites too *SIGH*


(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/HughJblackandwhite.jpg)

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/Hugh.jpg)

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/Hsmiling.jpg)

Beautiful pics!  I love the second one the most I think. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 11:28:27 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 11:24:07 am
Maybe thats the difference Souxi, I'm a Brit like you and I wouldnt just turn up unannounced. 

Hee hee... must be a British thing. I'm very close to my folks, and leave nearby, but I'd always call before popping round. I have keys to their place, but I'd never let meself in.

We're so reserved don' cha know.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 11, 2006, 11:31:24 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 11:28:27 am
Hee hee... must be a British thing. I'm very close to my folks, and leave nearby, but I'd always call before popping round. I have keys to their place, but I'd never let meself in.

We're so reserved don' cha know.

Karen

Oh yes we are awfully proper us Brits. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 11:35:49 am
Quote from: souxi on October 11, 2006, 11:31:24 am
Oh yes we are awfully proper us Brits. ;) ;) ;)

*cough* Souxi LOLLOL!   :P

 :laugh:

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 11, 2006, 11:39:17 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 11:35:49 am
*cough* Souxi LOLLOL!   :P

 :laugh:



OI!! you shaddup you..flamin cheek. ;) ;) ;D I am proper. Kind of... ;) ;) ;D ps. Has "it" arrived yet?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 11:41:26 am
Quote from: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 11:19:04 am
Souxi, I agree it is probably a manners thing! LOL--just that none of us feel that we really left home--LOL
but then when we walk in our folk's house, everyone of us, check the fridge and and the snack cupboards too! LOL AND steal if there is anything there to eat! LOL ;D  :laugh:

ANd I have walked in my house, and found my Mom, doing my dishes, that she doesn't trust me to finish, or loading up a load of laundry to finish for me.  Maybe wierd also, but it happens all the time around here. :laugh: :laugh:

All of us used to do exactly the same thing when my parents were still alive Ranchgal LOL and I really miss it.

What irritated me about Francine and Junior was that they went over there soo early (we never went that early on a Saturday!) and because I was just hoping for a nice quiet relaxing morning for our boys!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 11:44:57 am
Quote from: souxi on October 11, 2006, 11:39:17 am
OI!! you shaddup you..flamin cheek. ;) ;) ;D I am proper. Kind of... ;) ;) ;D ps. Has "it" arrived yet?

Heh heh  Sowwee....I think....!   :P

NO! I just checked  *sobs*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 12:26:14 pm
ok gang, I am home again typity typing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 12:37:31 pm
I've been searching the net looking for an information I need and ran accross a website about the meaning of hummingbirds for Native americans (this includes, the indians in Latin America and the Caribbean). Since those birds have had some presence in the Laramie Saga, I thought I post it. I think it's interesting.

Native American Mythology

Hummingbirds are found only in the western hemisphere, so they are absent from the traditional fairy tales, legends, and myths of European and African Americans. There is, however, a rich supply of stories about these tiny birds in Native American mythology.

A Mayan legend says the hummingbird is actually the sun in disguise, and he is trying to court a beautiful woman, who is the moon.

Another Mayan legend says the first two hummingbirds were created from the small feather scraps left over from the construction of other birds. The god who made the hummers was so pleased he had an elaborate wedding ceremony for them. First butterflies marked out a room, then flower petals fell on the ground to make a carpet; spiders spun webs to make a bridal pathway, then the sun sent down rays which caused the tiny groom to glow with dazzling reds and greens. The wedding guests noticed that whenever he turned away from the sun, he became drab again like the original gray feathers from which he was made.

A third Mayan legend speaks of a hummingbird piercing the the tongue of ancient kings.  When the blood was poured on sacred scrolls and burned, divine ancestors appeared in the smoke.

A Mojave legend tells of a primordial time when people lived in an underground world of darkness. They send a hummingbird up to look for light. High above them the little bird found a twisted path to the sunlit upper world where people now live.
There is a legend from the Jatibonicu Taino Tribal Nation of Puerto Rico about a young woman and a young man, who were from rival tribes. Like Romeo and Juliet, they fell in love, precipitating the intense criticism of their family and friends. Nevertheless, the two of them found a way to escape both time and culture. One became a hummingbird and the other a red flower.  The Taino Indians also take the hummingbird to be a sacred pollinator, whose mission is to bring an abundance of new life.

To the Chayma people of Trinidad, hummers are dead ancestors, so there is a taboo against harming them.  An extinct Caribbean tribe called the Arawacs thought it was Hummingbird who brought tobacco.  They called him the Doctor Bird.

In a Navajo legend a hummer was sent up to see what is above the blue sky. It turns out to be absolutely nothing.

In a Cherokee story, a medicine man turned himself into a hummingbird to retrieve lost tobacco plants.  In another Cherokee story, a woman is courted by both a hummingbird and a crane.  She first chooses the hummingbird for his good looks, but the crane convinces here that there should be a race around the world with the winner having her hand in marriage.  She agrees, thinking the hummingbird is bound to win because he flies so fast.  What she fails to take into account is that Crane can fly all night long, while Hummingbird is able to fly only during the day.   Crane wins, but she reneges on her promise, because he is so ugly.  The Creek Indians have a similar story.  In this version Crane wins because he flies in a straight line, while Hummingbird zigzags.

Hopi and Zuni legends tell of hummingbirds intervening on behalf of humans, convincing the gods to bring rain. Because of this, people from these tribes often paint hummingbirds on water jars.  The Hopi kachina for Hummingbird depicts him with green moccasins and a green mask.  He has an aqua body, and he is yellow on top of the head.  H is crowned with a ruff made of Douglas fir.

One of the Hopi stories is about a time of famine when a young boy and girl were left alone while their parents were searching for food. After the boy made a toy hummingbird, his sister threw it into the air.  It came to life and began to provide for them by bringing an ear of corn every day. Eventually, the hummingbird flew to the center of the earth where it pleaded with the god of fertility to restore the land.  Rain and green vegetation came, then the children's parents returned.

In a Pima legend a hummingbird acted like Noah's dove, bringing back a flower as proof the great flood was subsiding.

There is a legend from Mexico about a Taroscan Indian woman who was taught how to weave beautiful baskets by a grateful hummingbird to whom she had given sugar water during a drought. These baskets are now used in Day of the Dead Festivals.

An Apache legend tells of Wind Dancer, a young warrior, who was born deaf, but could sing magical, wordless songs that brought healing and good weather. He married Bright Rain, a beautiful, young woman whom he rescued when she was being attacked by a wolf.
Wind Dancer was killed during another errand of mercy. A bitter, death-bring winter ensued, but it suddenly and mysteriously ended after Bright Rain started taking solitary walks.

Tribal elders learned Wind Dancer had come back to her in the form of a hummingbird. He wore the same ceremonial costume and war paint he had worn as a man. In fields of spring flowers he would approach her and whisper his magical secrets in her ear. This brought her peace and joy.

The Pueblo Indians have hummingbird dances and use hummingbird feathers in rituals to bring rain.  Pueblo shamans use hummingbirds as couriers to send gifts to the Great Mother who lives beneath the earth.

To many of the Pueblo the hummingbird is a tobacco bird.  In one myth Hummingbird gets smoke from  Caterpillar, the guardian of the tobacco plant.  Hummingbird brings smoke to the shamans so they can purify the earth.

Some Pueblo Indians have a ritual for babies that are stillborn or die in the first few days of life.  Prayer sticks with hummingbird feathers are held before the sunrise on the winter solstice in a ceremony that hastens re-birth.

One Pueblo story tells of a demon who is blinded after losing a bet with the sun.  In anger he spews out hot lava.  The earth catches fire.  A hummingbird then saves the beautiful land of people and animals by  gathering clouds from the four directions.  Hummingbird  uses rain from these clouds to put out the flames.  This legend says the bright colors on a hummingbird's throat came after he fled through the rainbow in search of rain clouds.

http://www.hummingbirdworld.com/h/native_american.htm (http://www.hummingbirdworld.com/h/native_american.htm)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 12:59:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 11, 2006, 12:26:14 pm
ok gang, I am home again typity typing.

Great! Squeeeee!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 01:11:21 pm
Thanks so much Natali, these are really beautiful legends   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 01:27:33 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/131605.html  "Chapter 24:  A Parental Duty"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 03:43:51 pm
**SPOILERS**


great chapter Louise - Ellery is one understanding man.  Letting Ennis spend the day with his girls and getting out of the way, at the expense of them not having their much anticipated weekend of lurrving.

Wonder what Junior and Francine will make of the Red Stallion? I so hope nothing happens while they are there - I have this feelings its not going to be an event-free day.

And as for asking Francine to swear not to tell Nadine they've been in a gay bar!  Yeah right!!!  Thats the first thing she'll do.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 04:19:58 pm
SPOILER


Ahhh.. that was lovely.

That's just how couples behave, they make allowances for each other's family and friends. My other half has often talked me into being more tolerent or understanding about my family, and I have him of his. I have to say I do admire the boys stamina - 5 times!!!!!!

Ennis is taking the girls to the bar - that's cool. I didn't think that he would feel comfortable doing such a thing. Then again it might be a diffferent matter if the bar was open.  :)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 04:41:27 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/131999.html  "Chapter 25:  Traces"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 11, 2006, 04:52:41 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 11, 2006, 04:41:27 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/131999.html  "Chapter 24:  Traces"

Oops, I think this is Chapter 25 - didn't we already have a 24?

I'm lookin' out for ya, girlfriend!

Off to read 'Traces'.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 04:54:30 pm
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on October 11, 2006, 04:41:27 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/131999.html  "Chapter 24:  Traces"

An hour, three cups of coffee and one cigar later, the query came back “No records.”

Bad Ellery, bad bad Ellery!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 04:54:52 pm
yup you caught me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on October 11, 2006, 05:02:14 pm
Well Louise, even if Chesterfield can't be "traced" via Interpool, doesn't mean he's clean. He is a crook, you'll see  ;)

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 05:09:15 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 04:54:30 pm
SPOILERS

Bad Ellery, bad bad Ellery!

And naughty, naughty Lance!!

Imagine if Ennis had gone upstairs instead!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 05:46:11 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 05:09:15 pm
And naughty, naughty Lance!!

Imagine if Ennis had gone upstairs instead!

Awww, dont be too hard on Lance Kazza!  He wasnt doing any harm really was he?  He's sweet and harmless, a bit like Wayne.  Where is Wayne anyway, I miss him.  And Pete with no spleen.   (well, I wouldnt say I miss him that much, I just like his name).  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 05:47:58 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 04:54:30 pm
SPOILERS

An hour, three cups of coffee and one cigar later, the query came back “No records.”

Bad Ellery, bad bad Ellery!

I know I know, I bet he isnt going to tell Ennis about that!  This is why he needs to have sex even more than what he is having, to take his mind off the fact he cant have cigars and coffee.   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 05:48:55 pm
Quote from: caramelle58 on October 11, 2006, 05:02:14 pm
Well Louise, even if Chesterfield can't be "traced" via Interpool, doesn't mean he's clean. He is a crook, you'll see  ;)

Caramelle

I agree.  All is most definitely not what it seems with him. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 05:54:20 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 05:09:15 pm
And naughty, naughty Lance!!

Imagine if Ennis had gone upstairs instead!

Heee! you two are cracking me up!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 05:56:05 pm
Quote from: christie wood on October 11, 2006, 05:46:11 pm
Awww, dont be too hard on Lance Kazza!  He wasnt doing any harm really was he?  He's sweet and harmless, a bit like Wayne.  Where is Wayne anyway, I miss him.  And Pete with no spleen.   (well, I wouldnt say I miss him that much, I just like his name).  ;D

I agree Christie. Lance is harmless, like Wayne. And I miss Wayne too  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 11, 2006, 06:04:21 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 04:54:30 pm
SPOILERS

An hour, three cups of coffee and one cigar later, the query came back “No records.”

Bad Ellery, bad bad Ellery!

yes, well we knew he wasn't going to be good all the time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 06:04:45 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 05:56:05 pm
I agree Christie. Lance is harmless, like Wayne. And I miss Wayne too  :D

Hey, I'm a live and let live sorta gal, if Lance wants to get his jollies, fair play to him.  ;)   I was just thinking of the reaction if either Ennis or Ellery caught him.

Looking forward to seeing what the real story is with Jeeves.

Thanks for all the Chapters today Louise.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 06:06:58 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 06:04:45 pm
Hey, I'm a live and let live sorta gal, if Lance wants to get his jollies, fair play to him.  ;)   I was just thinking of the reaction if either Ennis or Ellery caught him.

Looking forward to seeing what the real story is with Jeeves.

Thanks for all the Chapters today Louise.

Karen
He'd be out on his ass in a flash if that had happened, Karen! I wonder if Francie will be able to keep her mouth shut??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 06:58:04 pm
Well out on his ass will be the least of his problems if Ennis and/or Ellery EVER find out about Francine and that apt today!
Ennis will most likely be on trial for pounding both of them to dust---do you really think his rage would EVER cool--Lance is slut---IF it ever came up--Dupree would have to speak up and say he had been warned twice, and almost let go,  now he is totally disreguarding Ellery's rules, just cause he thinks no one will ever catch him, NOW he has exposed Ennis' youngest Daughter to an education she is a long way from ready for---
Sergio and Lance will both be lucky if they live through the beating they would get from Ennis, and shot by Ellery---RAGE---OMG---just thinking of the red on Ennis face---it wouldn't blushing---it would be blood in his eyes--and all over his hands.

Lance may be cute, but he is brainless twit, without the sense of roadkill---which is exactly how I picture him if Francine opens her mouth to anyone.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 11, 2006, 07:01:08 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 06:58:04 pm
Well out on his ass will be the least of his problems if Ennis and/or Ellery EVER find out about Francine and that apt today!
Ennis will most likely be on trial for pounding both of them to dust---do you really think his rage would EVER cool--Lance is slut---IF it ever came up--Dupree would have to speak up and say he had been warned twice, now he is totally disreguarding Ellery's rules, just cause he thinks no one will ever catch him, NOW he has exposed Ennis' youngest Daughter to an education she is a long way from ready for---
Sergio and Lance will both be lucky if they live through the beating they would get from Ennis, and shot by Ellery---RAGE---OMG---just thinking of the red on Ennis face---it wouldn't blushing---it would be blood in his eyes--and all over his hands.

My God, you're scaring me.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 11, 2006, 07:03:54 pm
I'm having a memory loss moment again.  Could someone either tell me or direct me to the chapter that contained Lance's back story?
I can't seem to recall any history/particulars about this character.  *smacks self in head*

Thanx!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 07:10:01 pm
I don't recall his having any real history---Ellery needed someone to hoist kegs, and he applied for the job, Ellery was going to do  a background check, nothing reported--Lance got the job on the condition he obey the rules.
He never asked about using the apt at the time. So I don't think there is much on him, except a cute picture in the gallery and somewhere here on the thread. Could be wrong though, my memory isn't what I wish it was! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 11, 2006, 07:13:27 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 06:58:04 pm
Well out on his ass will be the least of his problems if Ennis and/or Ellery EVER find out about Francine and that apt today!
Ennis will most likely be on trial for pounding both of them to dust---do you really think his rage would EVER cool--Lance is slut---

Lance may be cute, but he is brainless twit, without the sense of roadkill---which is exactly how I picture him if Francine opens her mouth to anyone.

Whoa! .. lol .. As Sergio might say:

"Cálmate, RanchGal ..cálmate!"  ;D

Speaking of Sergio ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/8126d6a9.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 11, 2006, 07:25:40 pm
And another thing:

Rupert E. is currently leading the poll for "The Mysterious Jeeves"!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 07:30:28 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 07:10:01 pm
I don't recall his having any real history---Ellery needed someone to hoist kegs, and he applied for the job, Ellery was going to do  a background check, nothing reported--Lance got the job on the condition he obey the rules.
He never asked about using the apt at the time. So I don't think there is much on him, except a cute picture in the gallery and somewhere here on the thread. Could be wrong though, my memory isn't what I wish it was! LOL

Actually, Lance was recommended by Simon and I recall Ellery did do a full background check on him. It is on book 4: A Shelter from the Storm. But obviously full background checks do not give out information about one's libido, so there's no way Ellery could tell Lance was going to be working his way to become Wayne's replacement.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 07:33:10 pm
Thanks, see I knew I would miss it, but I also did know that there was wasn't anything earth shattering about the application process. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 07:35:41 pm
"Cálmate, RanchGal ..cálmate!"  ;D




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LOL :laugh: :laugh: Last time I heard that I was walking the streets of Seville, and sticking  a poster in the face of a guy trying to more or less accost me on the street!  :laugh: :laugh:  Thanks for the memory!!
Guess I haven't mellowed too much in my old age yet. :laugh: :laugh: ;D ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 07:47:32 pm
Quote from: TH on October 11, 2006, 07:34:08 pm
  Not sure about Rage...  Ennis hasn't been threatened and no one has impuned his character... and no one has pestered his daughters... 

  I would expect that Ennis would go 'parental'... and Lance's ass would become intimately familiar with one of Ennis's boots a number of times... 

 
..

You may call it parental---I would come closer to ballistic----most any FATHER I know--could handle his own character being impuned much easier than he could handle his Daughter being exposed to naked men in bed---you may not think of it as pestering, and maybe you are right---BUT I'll bet in Ennis' mind it comes real close to sexual misconduct and child abuse-- someone with a trigger temper like his would be contained about anyone upsetting his daughter??---I mean look at Curt, he was flinching away when Ennis made a fist at him--and he never actually hurt JR.   I see total overreactionary rage.   Ennis sort of lives in a La la land about what his daughters actually know anyway.  They are still first and formost his little girls.
Maybe I am wrong, but Ennis strikes me as a total protectionary parent, always has.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 08:04:42 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 11, 2006, 07:13:27 pm
Whoa! .. lol .. As Sergio might say:

"Cálmate, RanchGal ..cálmate!"  ;D

Speaking of Sergio ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/8126d6a9.jpg)

What about this guy to play Sergio, Lucise? This is Alejo Sauras, a spanish actor.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/alejosauras.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/405674.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 08:09:48 pm
Or better yet GAEL GARCIA BERNAL!!! (to play Sergio) He's so hot. ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/gael_garcia_bernal.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/bernal.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 11, 2006, 09:42:51 pm
Quote from: TH on October 11, 2006, 08:22:17 pm

   It seems to me that his role in the bar is 'parental' to a great extent and that that is why the younger men respect him and give place to him...  Yes, he can back up anything he says... but mostly they respect him as an older man exercising a measure of care and protection. 

   

I’ve got different, actually mixed feeling about this. Yes, his role is in some measure “parental” in the bar and in the same moment he is good looking Man in gay bar ( not that old), he is bar- owner man, and with his charisma and principles literally one inaccessible object of desire or just quite admiration as a man – great guy, which brings him also considerable amount of respect.
I don’t think they consider him mostly an older caring daddy.

And there is a fear factor too ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 10:35:21 pm
Yes there is all that---and Ennis is also guilty emotionally when it comes to his daughters, because he really wasn't there for alot of their time--supported yes, but until they were older, he really didn't do alot with them, take that factor--and then figure how fast he flew to Riverton when he felt Jr needed his help, and now think about his youngests newest education---that is where I get my feelings on Ennis' reaction to ANYTHING or ANYONE supposedly threatening his children.
Ennis has never worried about things happening to himself-and I don't think it is relevant when discussing the girls.--but something happened to Jack, and took Jack away, now he worries about Ellery a lot more than himself----AND His daughters are maybe even more of a concern to him because they are so young yet even if only  in his mind.

He has come a long way, but in my opinion, he would never treat this as an improper mistake---he would look at it more like Lance was weanie wagging, and Francine was the victim--that is why I believe he would be VERY parentally protective.   So I may be  wrong, and it certainly may never even actually enter into this at all- we are just speculating anyway--but I have seen parents go ballistic defending their children before, not pretty, but that mentality certainly still exists.  And Ennis is old world deep down.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 11, 2006, 11:02:19 pm
Quote from: TH on October 11, 2006, 10:35:55 pm
  This is quite interesting.  The term 'daddy' wouldn't, I think, apply here...  To the girls yes, of course, but not to those in the bar. 

  I find it interesting that the same reasons you put forth as to why they wouldn't see him as a parent or father figure... are the reasons I would suggest that they would... 

  Hmmm...  What to do with this one?

Quote from: TH on October 11, 2006, 10:35:55 pm
  This is quite interesting.  The term 'daddy' wouldn't, I think, apply here...  To the girls yes, of course, but not to those in the bar. 

  I find it interesting that the same reasons you put forth as to why they wouldn't see him as a parent or father figure... are the reasons I would suggest that they would... 

  Hmmm...  What to do with this one?


Honestly, I don't know.
I just recently went through all the story so I've got freshly in memory his interactions with boys and men in the bar and  I only assume those  two POV ( your and mine) about Ennis dominate and coexist within bar company.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on October 11, 2006, 11:11:59 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 08:09:48 pm
Or better yet GAEL GARCIA BERNAL!!! (to play Sergio) He's so hot. ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/gael_garcia_bernal.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/bernal.jpg)


mmmmmmm YUM! If this is what Sergio looks like, then can you really blame Lance???  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 11, 2006, 11:52:25 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 11, 2006, 08:04:42 pm
What about this guy to play Sergio, Lucise? This is Alejo Sauras, a spanish actor.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/alejosauras.jpg)

I like this guy as well!  We'd have to give him longer hair but that hasn't stopped me before .. lol  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 11, 2006, 11:55:10 pm
I also agree that Gael Garcia is yummy .. !
Damn!  ;D  He can be Sergio any day! ..lol


(http://xtramsn.co.nz/homepage2/imageLargeView/0,,5577712,00.jpeg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 11, 2006, 11:59:29 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 07:35:41 pm
"Cálmate, RanchGal ..cálmate!"  ;D

Guess I haven't mellowed too much in my old age yet. :laugh: :laugh: ;D ;)

Phew ..It is good to see you laughing Patty .. for a second there I thought you were gonna strangle Lance if given half a chance!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 12, 2006, 12:04:04 am
As promised on Louise's LJ..

Ennis and his cute little sunbeams ..  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/08c82e2a.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 01:39:52 am
Aww Milli, that's a really great pic!

Thanks!   :-*


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 01:41:56 am
I have to get used to the new colours, I quite like them though  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 12, 2006, 02:52:34 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 11, 2006, 06:06:58 pm
He'd be out on his ass in a flash if that had happened, Karen! I wonder if Francie will be able to keep her mouth shut??

Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) I just laughed at what you said about Francine. She could still blab if her jaws were wired shut!! ::) Wonder what the story is with mysterious Jeeves then? btw I like the new colours, looks lovely. Oh June, has "it" arrived yet?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 12, 2006, 04:38:26 am
I’ve been thinking about Jeeves and I’ve come to an inspired conclusion.  ;D

He’s English right? Upper class? His name is Chas? Short for Charles? And he has money to burn, in ready cash?

Is it possible that a certain monarch in waiting has become bored cooling his heels in Buck House, and has decided to see what Laramie has to offer.

I’ve hit the nail on the head haven’t I Louise? Eh?  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 04:59:29 am
good god no!  Jeeves is MUCH MUCH hotter than the Monarch in Waiting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 05:00:32 am
obviously, I can't devote myself to work this morning, I better get writing on the next chapters before you guys write it for me...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 12, 2006, 05:16:10 am
Wasn't Lance laying carpet before he joined the Red Stallion team and started laying Sergio? Also didn't he flash his Calvin Klein undies at Ennis?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 05:36:57 am
Yes, that would be Lance.  A personal recommendation from Simon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 05:38:03 am

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/132112.html  Chapter 26: Sharing a Secret"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 12, 2006, 06:02:41 am
Chapter 26 SPOILER


   ................re: seeing the boys together!    I think we'd all like to have seen that as well!    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 06:30:19 am
Quote from: louisev on October 12, 2006, 05:38:03 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/132112.html  Chapter 26: Sharing a Secret"
Oh, I can't wait to read this one! That title can only mean 1 thing - Francie spilled the beans!   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 07:01:24 am
SPOILER



...you didn't think she could keep it from her sister, could you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 07:07:42 am
Here's a curious twist of fic:

In the latest chapter of "Tainted Evidence" (lowermanhattan.livejournal.com) it features Jack trying to keep himself consoled during Thanksgiving with the "special edition" of XMen-3 featuring of course, Hugh Jackman.  For those who haven't explored it, "Tainted Evidence" is one of my guiltiest AU guilty pleasure fan fics.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 07:12:09 am
Quote from: louisev on October 12, 2006, 07:01:24 am
SPOILER



...you didn't think she could keep it from her sister, could you?

No, absolutely not. I could never keep a secret from my sisters either when I was growing up!

Ennis is gonna find out who the car belongs to, I just know he will. Who knows what else he might discover when asking Lance about it......Ennis aint stupid!!   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 07:16:08 am
Quote from: louisev on October 12, 2006, 07:07:42 am
Here's a curious twist of fic:

In the latest chapter of "Tainted Evidence" (lowermanhattan.livejournal.com) it features Jack trying to keep himself consoled during Thanksgiving with the "special edition" of XMen-3 featuring of course, Hugh Jackman.  For those who haven't explored it, "Tainted Evidence" is one of my guiltiest AU guilty pleasure fan fics.

Jacks got good taste!  :D

I haven't started it yet Louise, it's another fic I've been meaning to get started on for ages now. Is it as good as SOG?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 07:23:54 am
they are very different stories... but similar in some respects, feel-wise.  I think it is more that Law Enforcement Ennis has his own sort of natural shape, which is another interpretation of the dominance I have explored in a different manner in the Laramie Saga.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 12, 2006, 07:29:20 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 07:12:09 am
Ennis is gonna find out who the car belongs to, I just know he will. Who knows what else he might discover when asking Lance about it......Ennis aint stupid!!   :D


Indeed!    And considering that Ennis already warned Lance about his uncontrollable libido,   Lance no doubt will get fired.    :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 12, 2006, 07:35:14 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 12, 2006, 07:29:20 am
Indeed!    And considering that Ennis already warned Lance about his uncontrollable libido,   Lance no doubt will get fired.    :(

I think you are probably right David.  I know Lance was acting responsible by not driving, but how about getting a taxi?  He does seem like a harmless kid, but he has been warned.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 12, 2006, 07:36:55 am
Quote from: louisev on October 12, 2006, 07:07:42 am
Here's a curious twist of fic:

In the latest chapter of "Tainted Evidence" (lowermanhattan.livejournal.com) it features Jack trying to keep himself consoled during Thanksgiving with the "special edition" of XMen-3 featuring of course, Hugh Jackman.  For those who haven't explored it, "Tainted Evidence" is one of my guiltiest AU guilty pleasure fan fics.

I read that too Louise and just had to giggle!  I read TE and it is one of many guilty pleasures I partake in!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 12, 2006, 07:37:42 am
Quote from: louisev on October 12, 2006, 07:01:24 am
SPOILER



...you didn't think she could keep it from her sister, could you?

Absolutely not, she's Francine!  Remind me how old Francine is again?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 12, 2006, 07:40:22 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 07:16:08 am
Jacks got good taste!  :D

I haven't started it yet Louise, it's another fic I've been meaning to get started on for ages now. Is it as good as SOG?

Its a wonderful fic and well worth reading - its very clever and smart - and hot!!!   ;)

Its very different from SOG - and thats another fic I absolutely am loving at the moment - they both stand on their own as independently wonderful, original and amazingly written fics.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 07:42:23 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 12, 2006, 07:37:42 am
Absolutely not, she's Francine!  Remind me how old Francine is again?

she is 19.  Junior is 20.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 12, 2006, 07:56:02 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 12, 2006, 07:29:20 am
Indeed!    And considering that Ennis already warned Lance about his uncontrollable libido,   Lance no doubt will get fired.    :(

Ennis didn't warn Lance over his libido. Dupree did. Anyway, firing Lance is not up to Ennis is it? Ellery is less strict about that IMO. As long as he wasn't paying or getting paid for favors in the Gents, I don't see Lance being fired. In any case, he'll be scolded by either Ellery or Ennis. Besides, they don't know about Lance getting a blowjob in the bathroom, only Dupree knows. So, unless he tells Ennis and Ellery, I don't see Ellery firing Lance over what Francine witnessed. But he'll probably warn him. But, I guess we'll have to wait for the next chapters to find out, don't we?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 07:57:06 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 12, 2006, 07:40:22 am
Its a wonderful fic and well worth reading - its very clever and smart - and hot!!!   ;)

Its very different from SOG - and thats another fic I absolutely am loving at the moment - they both stand on their own as independently wonderful, original and amazingly written fics.

Thanks Christie.

There are soo many amazingly good written AU!AU's out there, it's hard to keep up with all of them! And now Lori is going to start her own AU!AU which I most definitely will start reading!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 08:04:21 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 12, 2006, 07:56:02 am
Ennis didn't warn Lance over his libido. It was Dupree. Anyway, firing Lance is not up to Ennis is it? Ellery is less strict about that IMO. As long as he wasn't getting paid favors in the Gents, I don't see Lance being fired. In any case, he'll be scolded by either Ellery or Ennis. Besides, they don't know about Lance getting a blowjob in the bathroom, only Dupree knows. So, unless he tells Ennis and Ellery, I don't see Ellery firing Lance over what Francine witnessed. But he'll probably warn him. But, I guess we'll have to wait for the next chapters to find out, don't we?

I assume he crashed there after closing? What's the harm in that? They probably meant to be out of there before the bar opened up again but unfortunately for them Ennis decided to go over there before hours to show Junior and Francie around.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 12, 2006, 08:27:39 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 08:04:21 am
I assume he crashed there after closing? What's the harm in that? They probably meant to be out of there before the bar opened up again but unfortunately for them Ennis decided to go over there before hours to show Junior and Francie around.

Yes, June, that is my take on it too.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 08:41:09 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/132484.html  "Chapter 27: A Refused Invitation"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 12, 2006, 08:52:46 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 08:04:21 am
I assume he crashed there after closing? What's the harm in that? They probably meant to be out of there before the bar opened up again but unfortunately for them Ennis decided to go over there before hours to show Junior and Francie around.

I'm really hoping this to be the case too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 12, 2006, 08:58:07 am
My contribution for the search for Sergio:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 12, 2006, 09:01:50 am
Great chapter Louise!!!!



**SPOILERS**


I just love how Ennis worries about Ellery, and Ellery gets bugged by it, but he knows Ennis is right.  Its so sweet.  Can just imagine Ennis, scowling when looking at the menu, not looking but thinking about how many cigars Ellery's had!!!

So glad the "are you staying/arent you staying" saga was sorted out.  I'm glad they didnt take up Ellery's offer, it could have caused a whole heap of trouble. 

I just love all the banter going on at that table!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 12, 2006, 09:11:31 am
More dark haired cuties to consider for the role of Sergio:
Enjoy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 12, 2006, 09:34:45 am
Yay!  I just read chapters 26 and 27.

It's not spoilery if I just say 'they were ADORABLE', is it?

Great stuff!  Loved it!

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 10:35:16 am
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/j46index-1.jpg)


I'd love Juanes for Sergio. He's got the long hair and he's Latiin American. But I guess he's too old. Shame.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 10:54:48 am
Long haired Hispanic looking males only people!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 10:57:30 am
Quote from: louisev on October 12, 2006, 10:54:48 am
Long haired Hispanic looking males only people!

So, Juanes is perfect then?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 12, 2006, 11:12:39 am
Well, here is Gael with long hair  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/sff06_hollywoodb.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 12, 2006, 11:17:14 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 10:35:16 am
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/j46index-1.jpg)


I'd love Juanes for Sergio. He's got the long hair and he's Latiin American. But I guess he's too old. Shame.

Ooh.  That guy could almost be Ellery.  He's HOT.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 12, 2006, 11:22:58 am
Spanish actor Alejo Sauras with longer hair

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/alejo2.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 11:41:37 am
Bernal seems to have something wrong with his face, I don't know what it is.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 12, 2006, 11:45:49 am
Quote from: louisev on October 12, 2006, 11:41:37 am
Bernal seems to have something wrong with his face, I don't know what it is.

*gasp*  ... blasphemy!   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 12, 2006, 11:58:58 am
Today is a special day...no, not Columbus Day, it is Hugh Jackman's birthday! Yeah!

Impish started a tribute thread over in the Anything Goes forum for anyone who wants to send birthday greetings to our favorite Ellery....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 12:48:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 12, 2006, 11:58:58 am
Today is a special day...no, not Columbus Day, it is Hugh Jackman's birthday! Yeah!

Impish started a tribute thread over in the Anything Goes forum for anyone who wants to send birthday greetings to our favorite Ellery....

Leslie


Thanks Leslie, just posted over there  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 12, 2006, 01:12:41 pm
Quote from: MadLori on October 12, 2006, 11:17:14 am
Ooh.  That guy could almost be Ellery.  He's HOT.

June he is first - class !
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 12, 2006, 01:16:32 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 12, 2006, 11:12:39 am
Well, here is Gael with long hair  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/sff06_hollywoodb.jpg)

Where is Gael from, I think I saw him in Cuban film 2 month ago
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 12, 2006, 01:19:01 pm
Quote from: synne on October 12, 2006, 01:16:32 pm
Where is Gael from, I think I saw him in Cuban film 2 month ago

He is Mexican.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 12, 2006, 01:34:50 pm
Quote from: synne on October 12, 2006, 01:12:41 pm
June he is first - class !
Heh heh, I think so too  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 12, 2006, 01:40:17 pm
Nice two chapters Louise, Ennis – the caring man of our dreams

Spoiler
…so no more adventures for the girls?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 01:48:59 pm
*well, not today!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 02:39:46 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/132696.html  "Chapter 28: Personnel Issues"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 12, 2006, 02:46:56 pm
OMG, another chapter! not that i'm complaining, you know  :) But louise, just how fast do you type?  :o

* off to read  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 12, 2006, 02:57:53 pm
I type 160 words a minute.  I write a little less quickly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 12, 2006, 03:08:10 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 12, 2006, 02:57:53 pm
I type 160 words a minute.  I write a little less quickly.

Holy s***!

*falls over impressed*

Hee-hee-hee-hee-hee ... that last chapter totally made me chuckle, btw!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 12, 2006, 06:47:36 pm
Am I the only one who thinks that leaving the girls in an apartment over a men's bar (or any sort of bar), in addition one with direct access, would be unsafe and unsuitable. I am surprised Ennis even considers it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 12, 2006, 06:54:09 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 12, 2006, 06:47:36 pm
Am I the only one who thinks that leaving the girls in an apartment over a men's bar (any sort of men's bar) would be unsafe and unsuitable. I am surprised Ennis even considers it!

How can it be unsafe? There are armed guards outside, one of the bouncer is a cop and the other is their daddy. There's no real danger for them to be raped or anything, considering the clientele. I think that apartment is the safest place in Laramie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 12, 2006, 07:11:28 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 12, 2006, 06:54:09 pm
How can it be unsafe? There are armed guards outside, one of the bouncer is a cop and the other is their daddy. There's no real danger for them to be raped or anything, considering the clientele. I think that apartment is the safest place in Laramie.

Well if Ennis is working there until closing time I guess it would be OK.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 12, 2006, 07:23:36 pm
Well, it seems that Bettermost is having some fall changes (new color scheme and other plans in the works) and Louise has been infected by the redecorating bug...The Pillsbury Doughboy has grown up and turned into Hugh Jackman! LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 12, 2006, 08:11:34 pm
Quote from: opinionista on October 12, 2006, 06:54:09 pm
How can it be unsafe? There are armed guards outside, one of the bouncer is a cop and the other is their daddy. There's no real danger for them to be raped or anything, considering the clientele. I think that apartment is the safest place in Laramie.


I agree too, BUT there should a door they can lock from their side anyway---simply because, with drunks stumbling around, even if they aren't looking for trouble, it is no fun having them pass out on your floor or bathroom.LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 12, 2006, 11:32:08 pm
Quote from: MadLori on October 12, 2006, 11:17:14 am
Ooh.  That guy could almost be Ellery.  He's HOT.
[/qu ote]                                                                                                                                          do we have an age on that guy?   this guy is smokin...holy cow  steam risin .    i didnt know he had to be very young...       i say use him......any way you can....oh man.       janice             
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 03:47:24 am

LOL!! Any way you can eh Janice??  :P  ;D  I agree.....  ;D  I had him as my avatar for the longest time on one of the other forums!

I'll have to check on his age. Sergio is much younger, I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 03:50:30 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 12, 2006, 07:23:36 pm
Well, it seems that Bettermost is having some fall changes (new color scheme and other plans in the works) and Louise has been infected by the redecorating bug...The Pillsbury Doughboy has grown up and turned into Hugh Jackman! LOL

L

Heh heh.

I'm loving your new avatar Louise. Shame you can't use that other one!!   ;)  :laugh:

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 04:13:53 am
I have concluded that "that other one" is a fake photo, June.  You naughty girl you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 04:24:07 am
Well guys... I came into work this morning, and the employees' offices are locked, and the only people here are the freelancers.  The employees are having a one-day strike and won't be in today.

So... I got nothin ta do....might as well write a poker game.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 04:32:12 am
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 04:13:53 am
I have concluded that "that other one" is a fake photo, June.  You naughty girl you!

Really?? What a pity!  ;D

And moi naughty?! Hell! YOU found it!  :P  ;D  ;D 

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 04:33:57 am
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 04:24:07 am
Well guys... I came into work this morning, and the employees' offices are locked, and the only people here are the freelancers.  The employees are having a one-day strike and won't be in today.

So... I got nothin ta do....might as well write a poker game.

Yeee-haaaaw!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 05:12:15 am
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 04:24:07 am
Well guys... I came into work this morning, and the employees' offices are locked, and the only people here are the freelancers.  The employees are having a one-day strike and won't be in today.

So... I got nothin ta do....might as well write a poker game.

Oh goody for us!

That poker game is going to be one interesting experience!   Might need to change it to Mind Game!  ;D 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 05:13:43 am
Quote from: louisev on October 12, 2006, 02:57:53 pm
I type 160 words a minute.  I write a little less quickly.

And I thought I typed fast!!!!!!  My job is to typity type all day long (well, when I'm not reading slash) - if I typed that fast, the keyboard would probably explode!   :laugh:

Still, it does explain how Louise is able to give us so many wonderful chapters all the time.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 05:14:38 am
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 04:13:53 am
I have concluded that "that other one" is a fake photo, June.  You naughty girl you!

Oh now you've got me intrigued.  What other one.  Was it naughty? 

I like this one though Louise.  Its lurrverly..... :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 05:24:50 am
Morning everyone. I don't know if anyone watches Grey's Anatomy, but I watched it last night and I'm new to the programme so don't know who anyone is, but this guy was in it and I thought of Dupree straight away.  I know we already have a Dupree, so I hope you dont mind that I've posted this pic here - I'd be interested if anyone else thinks the same.  He's also got something going on with his sexuality, but I have no idea what.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j237/christiegwood/Alex.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 13, 2006, 05:55:21 am
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 04:24:07 am
Well guys... I came into work this morning, and the employees' offices are locked, and the only people here are the freelancers.  The employees are having a one-day strike and won't be in today.

So... I got nothin ta do....might as well write a poker game.

You'll still get paid won't you Louise?

As to this poker game. Maybe there could be two. Ellery can take on Jeeves (and anyone else who cares to join in) down at the Red Stallion, and they can forfeit all their cash to him. Then he can take Ennis home and have another game - with forfeits of a different kind  ;)

On a more serious note I think that this game will be very interesting. A real battle of wills. Chas knows that he is not going to be able to charm Ellery, and Ellery being the student of human nature that he is will be able to sus Chas out.

Oh, and I hope that you all have a Friday 13th free of mishap.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 06:03:10 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 05:24:50 am
Morning everyone. I don't know if anyone watches Grey's Anatomy, but I watched it last night and I'm new to the programme so don't know who anyone is, but this guy was in it and I thought of Dupree straight away.  I know we already have a Dupree, so I hope you dont mind that I've posted this pic here - I'd be interested if anyone else thinks the same.  He's also got something going on with his sexuality, but I have no idea what.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j237/christiegwood/Alex.jpg)

OH Christie, thanks for posting this pic! I love this guy and I LOVE Grey's Anatomy. Been addicted to it for some time now.
I could definitely see Dupree being this guy, he's HOT and is a real good guy too  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 06:12:29 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 13, 2006, 05:55:21 am

Oh, and I hope that you all have a Friday 13th free of mishap.

Karen

Thanks Karen, you too.  I hadn't even realised it was Friday the 13th..... ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 13, 2006, 06:12:44 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 13, 2006, 05:55:21 am
You'll still get paid won't you Louise?

As to this poker game. Maybe there could be two. Ellery can take on Jeeves (and anyone else who cares to join in) down at the Red Stallion, and they can forfeit all their cash to him. Then he can take Ennis home and have another game - with forfeits of a different kind  ;)

On a more serious note I think that this game will be very interesting. A real battle of wills. Chas knows that he is not going to be able to charm Ellery, and Ellery being the student of human nature that he is will be able to sus Chas out.

Oh, and I hope that you all have a Friday 13th free of mishap.

Karen

I like your way of thinking Kazza lol. Yes I think this game will be interesting too. I,m not even sure that Chas is really the guys name, might be wrong, just a feeling. And I hope you have a good Friday 13th too. I,m not risking it anyway, I,m staying right here lol. I,ve never watched Greys Anatomy btw, any good?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 13, 2006, 06:15:17 am
Hmmm....   imagine if this guy showed up at the Sheriffs Office as a new rookie?   Think Dupree would have the hots for him?     I'm sure Ellery would be conflicted!

(http://static.flickr.com/23/189998800_e29bc64a0e_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 06:16:19 am
Quote from: souxi on October 13, 2006, 06:12:44 am
I like your way of thinking Kazza lol. Yes I think this game will be interesting too. I,m not even sure that Chas is really the guys name, might be wrong, just a feeling. And I hope you have a good Friday 13th too. I,m not risking it anyway, I,m staying right here lol. I,ve never watched Greys Anatomy btw, any good?

Yes it is Souxi.  Living TV are showing it in the UK, but its series 2, whereas its up to series 3 in the US.  Its on every Thursday at 10.00pm.  Last night they had a special show after it that basically recapped everything that had happened from the beginning, which was great for me because the first episode I watched was last week, and it was something like episode 10 of the second series!  So now I feel a little more in the know about the characters.  

Anyhow, when I saw this guy (his name is Alex, but cant think of his surname at the moment), Dupree just sprung to mind.  Maybe he's not as muscular as Dupree is meant to be.  What do you think Louise?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 06:18:20 am
Heeee!

Is this Heath from Monsters Ball, David?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 06:18:43 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 13, 2006, 06:15:17 am
Hmmm....   imagine if this guy showed up at the Sheriffs Office as a new rookie?   Think Dupree would have the hots for him?     I'm sure Ellery would be conflicted!

(http://static.flickr.com/23/189998800_e29bc64a0e_m.jpg)

Oh David thank you thank you thank you.  Isnt he just hot!   :P  God, I dont think Dupree would have any problem knowing which way he leaned if he saw Sonny walk through the door!  I think you are right about Ellery - he would have some serious problems wondering what to think about this rookie!!!!  

Great picture David - and a wonderful film.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 06:19:28 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 06:18:20 am
Heeee!

Is this Heath from Monsters Ball, David?

It is June and what a fantasti film that was - Heath was incredible in that role, a real tortured soul.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 06:20:31 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/132909.html  "Chapter 29: A Few Hands of Poker"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 06:22:06 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 06:19:28 am
It is June and what a fantasti film that was - Heath was incredible in that role, a real tortured soul.

A tortured soul is right...and he left the movie rather suddenly and shockingly. I wasn't prepared for that! I am not sure I will ever watch it again, but I am glad I watched it once.

L

PS...I am sure everyone has heard this a million times, but I'll mention it again for the one person on this planet who might not know this bit of trivia: this is the role that Larry McMurtry saw Heath in and said, "That's Ennis."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 06:22:33 am
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 06:20:31 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/132909.html  "Chapter 29: A Few Hands of Poker"

Hey, Louise, good morning and THANKS!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 06:23:17 am
I'm in typo hell right now, so just refresh if you see a stupid misspelled word.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 06:34:10 am
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 06:23:17 am
I'm in typo hell right now, so just refresh if you see a stupid misspelled word.

Not a problem, my dear. What a GREAT chapter to start off the day! LOL...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 13, 2006, 06:34:39 am
Didn't spot any mistakes Louise, so don't worry. :-* Oooh I don't think Ennis is gonna be too happy about all this fancy gamblin'. He doesn't like Ellery throwing his money around! Will those girls go away soon and leave E and E to themselves? And I can't wait to find out what this token is gonna be ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 06:37:28 am
Quote from: katecaton on October 13, 2006, 06:34:39 am
Didn't spot any mistakes Louise, so don't worry. :-* Oooh I don't think Ennis is gonna be too happy about all this fancy gamblin'. He doesn't like Ellery throwing his money around! Will those girls go away soon and leave E and E to themselves? And I can't wait to find out what this token is gonna be ;D

SLIGHTLY SPOILERISH.....







'Cept it looked like Ellery threw his money around and it all came back....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 06:42:57 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 06:22:06 am
A tortured soul is right...and he left the movie rather suddenly and shockingly. I wasn't prepared for that! I am not sure I will ever watch it again, but I am glad I watched it once.

L

PS...I am sure everyone has heard this a million times, but I'll mention it again for the one person on this planet who might not know this bit of trivia: this is the role that Larry McMurtry saw Heath in and said, "That's Ennis."

I agree Leslie and Christie, it was a FANTASTIC movie. Tortured soul indeed. All of the acting was brilliant. And yeah, LM was soo right about that being Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 13, 2006, 06:51:30 am
Chapter 29 Spoiler!


     Very clever!     Getting that check from Jeeves I mean!   Now a clue to his identity!    And something that can be traced!    :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 13, 2006, 06:53:39 am
SPOILER




A lovely pre lunch chapter - thanks Louise. I know nothing at all about poker, but that was fun. I loved straight faced, no messin' Ellery. You just know that game had nothing to do with the money. Good thinking about the cheque David - that hasn't crossed my mind. I'd make a lousy detective  ;D

Dupree's nose seems a bit our of joint. Jealously?

I'm madly curious about the token that Ennis has for Ellery. I mean, he wouldn't have heaps to spend would he?

Didn't notice any typos either Louise - too busy being embroiled in the story.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 13, 2006, 06:58:48 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 13, 2006, 06:53:39 am
SPOILER




A lovely pre lunch chapter - thanks Louise. I know nothing at all about poker, but that was fun. I loved straight faced, no messin' Ellery. You just know that game had nothing to do with the money. Good thinking about the cheque David - that hasn't crossed my mind. I'd make a lousy detective  ;D

Dupree's nose seems a bit our of joint. Jealously?

I'm madly curious about the token that Ennis has for Ellery. I mean, he wouldn't have heaps to spend would he?

Didn't notice any typos either Louise - too busy being embroiled in the story.

Karen

Yes me too Kazza, cant wait to find out what it is. I know I shouldnt say this about a fellow Brit, but I dont like Jeeves, he,s a smarmy git. Thing is, because he,s British,(this might sound silly) but I can hear his voice when he speaks? If that makes sense, thats how I know he,s smarmy lol. I wonder if he will give Ellery a cheque though. He obviously has something to hide, so giving him a cheque might not be a good idea for him. We shall see. And I didnt notice any typos either Louise. I also know nothing about poker Kazza, but it was a good chapter. I,m glad Jeeves got his nose shoved out of joint lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 07:48:18 am
another update - isn't this strike good for business?

http://louisev.livejournal.com/133130.html  "Chapter 30:  The Camera Doesn't Blink"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 13, 2006, 07:57:33 am
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 07:48:18 am
another update - isn't this strike good for business?

http://louisev.livejournal.com/133130.html  "Chapter 30:  The Camera Doesn't Blink"

Holy hell, isn't that illegal? Ellery can easily have them arrested. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 08:02:38 am
Only if he knows about it, Natali.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 13, 2006, 08:02:51 am
SPOILER




No... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Louise , what are you doing to us  :o

I couldn't bear the boys being exposed like that. Makes me feel a bit ill actually. They're private about what they have, and it's beautiful. Their intimacy should not a source of sordid entertainment for Wayne and Gene or anybody else (well, maybe us, but we're just reading about it). Just how mortified would Ennis be?

Of course, if they found the camera, and well, decided on a home movie of their own, that would be a different matter.  ;D

God bless your striking colleagues. Hope you get the opportunity to put us out of our misery before the end of the day. Or is this a plot line that's going to lie low for a while to resurface in the future?

Karen

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 08:09:04 am
You knew Wayne would be up to no good didn't you?  Boys will be boys.  Even gay boys!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 13, 2006, 08:34:13 am
Oh no! I really don't want poor Ennis to be put in this position, he would be mortified :(
I hope they find the camera, or get a warning from a kind friend. Those girls are causing trouble again indirectly. I wish they'd go home!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 08:38:43 am
A little pause for some Hugh goodness.

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2453/17mw8.jpg)

That charming sweet smile!

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5034/de625b8dpe7.jpg)

This is REALLY Hugh, as naked as you're going to get him!

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2346/thetouristmovie08ea1pc2.jpg)

A shot from an upcoming move, "The Tourist" - look at those fingers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 08:46:12 am
More Hudity!

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5038/hughij0.jpg)

From "Somebody Like You"


(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/9077/starkv7.jpg)

And who can resist Naked Wolverine?

And last but not least:

(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1459/mtv8qx7.jpg)

Picture this walking into the Red Stallion! Full length black leather pants...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 13, 2006, 08:52:14 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh17.jpg)

Here is Hugh's angelic smile.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on October 13, 2006, 09:10:49 am
Ellery Sighting:
aka: Hugh Jackman spotted October 11th in New York City @ the Barbra Streisand Concert, Madison Square Garden!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 09:15:21 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 13, 2006, 08:02:51 am
SPOILER




No... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Louise , what are you doing to us  :o

I couldn't bear the boys being exposed like that. Makes me feel a bit ill actually. They're private about what they have, and it's beautiful. Their intimacy should not a source of sordid entertainment for Wayne and Gene or anybody else (well, maybe us, but we're just reading about it). Just how mortified would Ennis be?

Of course, if they found the camera, and well, decided on a home movie of their own, that would be a different matter.  ;D

God bless your striking colleagues. Hope you get the opportunity to put us out of our misery before the end of the day. Or is this a plot line that's going to lie low for a while to resurface in the future?

Karen



Karen, I'm glad you said that, cos I feel exactly the same way.  God, I felt a bit sick when I read that chapter...I thought at first they were going to find the tape of Ennis and Ellery from a while ago, but now they've actually set up a fresh tape and the first people to appear on it will be Ennis and Ellery! No no no no!  Ennis is going to be absolutely mortified about this if it doesnt get nipped in the bud soon.   Imagine what he will do to Wayne? And Ellery - he might pop another rib when he finds out!  I actually liked Wayne, now I'm not so sure.  I know he's got the hots for Ennis, so this will be like striking gold to him!

I really hope this gets sorted out before it goes too far....the thought of their private intimate moments being a source of entertainment makes me feel a bit ill......

  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 13, 2006, 09:22:07 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 13, 2006, 08:02:51 am
SPOILER




No... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... no... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Louise , what are you doing to us  :o

I couldn't bear the boys being exposed like that. Makes me feel a bit ill actually. They're private about what they have, and it's beautiful. Their intimacy should not a source of sordid entertainment for Wayne and Gene or anybody else (well, maybe us, but we're just reading about it). Just how mortified would Ennis be?

Of course, if they found the camera, and well, decided on a home movie of their own, that would be a different matter.  ;D

God bless your striking colleagues. Hope you get the opportunity to put us out of our misery before the end of the day. Or is this a plot line that's going to lie low for a while to resurface in the future?

Karen



I agree with everything you said there Kazza. Thats just horrible. God help them if Ennis finds out. Ellery would be furious enough, but Ennis is another matter entirely. I hope this isnt a plot line thats going to resurface. The thought of a video of thats supposed to be a private moment between those two being gawped at by someone else does make you feel ill doesnt it? I think you,ve got to be pretty sick to want to do that myself. Yes a home movie made by those two for their veiwing pleasure is another matter entirely.  ;) I think the other is sick. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 13, 2006, 09:29:07 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 09:15:21 am
Karen, I'm glad you said that, cos I feel exactly the same way.  God, I felt a bit sick when I read that chapter...I thought at first they were going to find the tape of Ennis and Ellery from a while ago, but now they've actually set up a fresh tape and the first people to appear on it will be Ennis and Ellery! No no no no!  Ennis is going to be absolutely mortified about this if it doesnt get nipped in the bud soon.   Imagine what he will do to Wayne? And Ellery - he might pop another rib when he finds out!  I actually liked Wayne, now I'm not so sure.  I know he's got the hots for Ennis, so this will be like striking gold to him!

I really hope this gets sorted out before it goes too far....the thought of their private intimate moments being a source of entertainment makes me feel a bit ill......

  

I used to like Wayne as well Christie. I dont care who you,ve got the hots for, you dont do that. Yuk. >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 09:37:35 am
Quote from: souxi on October 13, 2006, 09:29:07 am
I used to like Wayne as well Christie. I dont care who you,ve got the hots for, you dont do that. Yuk. >:(

Absolutely souxi.  Wayne's got a boyfriend, for god's sake, what does he need to do this for?

But how are Ennis and Ellery going to find out about the camera?  Well, actually I dont care how, I just care about when.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 09:39:04 am
People...think for a minute....

Who was in the bedroom on Friday night/Saturday morning? Doing what? Do you really think they changed the sheets?

And what does Ennis hate?

If I recall correctly, the apartment has 2 bedrooms....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 09:40:13 am
Because I need to take my mind off the latest developments in Laramie, I wonder if I could ask a really random question? Does anyone know if you can buy doughboys in the UK?  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 09:42:38 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 09:39:04 am
People...think for a minute....

Who was in the bedroom on Friday night/Saturday morning? Doing what? Do you really think they changed the sheets?

And what does Ennis hate?

If I recall correctly, the apartment has 2 bedrooms....

L

Oh Lesley, thank you for stepping in and saving me from losing my mind with worry over this!  You are right - Ennis likes nothing more than clean sheets, as Ellery has learned. I wonder if he goes to change the sheets, opens the cupboard, and viola, sees the camera?  See how I am latching on to your words Lesley, and convincing myself that this is not going to get very far before Ennis and Ellery find out?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 13, 2006, 09:44:39 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 09:40:13 am
Because I need to take my mind off the latest developments in Laramie, I wonder if I could ask a really random question? Does anyone know if you can buy doughboys in the UK?  

I've never seen them Christie, but perhaps more specialist food stores might do them.

From what I've heard they're not unlike what we call scones. Perhaps akin to soda scones, which having Irish roots I'm quite familiar with.

Hee hee maybe we have have a UK Doughboys Virgins thread. We can eat them whilst reading updates to The Laramie Saga.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 13, 2006, 09:45:23 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 09:42:38 am
Oh Lesley, thank you for stepping in and saving me from losing my mind with worry over this!  You are right - Ennis likes nothing more than clean sheets, as Ellery has learned. I wonder if he goes to change the sheets, opens the cupboard, and viola, sees the camera?  See how I am latching on to your words Lesley, and convincing myself that this is not going to get very far before Ennis and Ellery find out?

I hope your right Christie. And to answer your question about doughboys, I have no idea. I have never even heard of one until I started reading this story. Whatever they are, people out there sure seem to eat a lot of them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 10:00:28 am
Ladies! You are killing me with all this stuff  :(  I know I shouldn't have read these posts but I couldn't resist. I'm 2 or 3 chaps behind...... :(

*rushes off to read but so afraid of what she'll be reading...*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 10:05:19 am
Quote from: souxi on October 13, 2006, 09:45:23 am
I hope your right Christie. And to answer your question about doughboys, I have no idea. I have never even heard of one until I started reading this story. Whatever they are, people out there sure seem to eat a lot of them.

Pillsbury Crescent rolls were invented in the mid 1960s, designed to be a timesaver for the busy housewife who didn't have time to bake from scratch. The Doughboy (actually, his name is Poppin' Fresh) is the advertising icon for the brand.

The dough comes in a cardboard tube, which you whack against the edge of the counter (or press with a spoon). You take out the little circles and line them up on your cookie sheet, bake for 15 mintues at 400 degrees and voila! Hot, fresh baked biscuits!

Edna might argue about the quality but they really aren't bad. We usually have a tube or two of some sort of Pillsbury Poppin' Fresh product in the refrigerator in my house.

For you Brits...do you have a grocery store that sells food items for homesick ex-pat Americans? You might find them there. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 10:08:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/133445.html  "Chapter 31:  Fastidious"


kudos to Leslie for calling this one!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 10:22:09 am
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 10:08:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/133445.html  "Chapter 31:  Fastidious"


kudos to Leslie for calling this one!

I don't usually speculate on the board, but this one to me was as obvious as a pig in mud. I couldn't resist. LOL.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 13, 2006, 10:23:07 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 10:05:19 am
Pillsbury Crescent rolls were invented in the mid 1960s, designed to be a timesaver for the busy housewife who didn't have time to bake from scratch. The Doughboy (actually, his name is Poppin' Fresh) is the advertising icon for the brand.

The dough comes in a cardboard tube, which you whack against the edge of the counter (or press with a spoon). You take out the little circles and line them up on your cookie sheet, bake for 15 mintues at 400 degrees and voila! Hot, fresh baked biscuits!

Edna might argue about the quality but they really aren't bad. We usually have a tube or two of some sort of Pillsbury Poppin' Fresh product in the refrigerator in my house.

For you Brits...do you have a grocery store that sells food items for homesick ex-pat Americans? You might find them there. LOL

L

So there,e biscuits then? But, and forgive me for being dense, (I,m British blame that lol) why do you eat biscuits with your dinner? Bread rolls or nann bread sure, but biscuits? They are things we dunk in our tea, or coffee. I dont geddit. ??? ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 13, 2006, 10:24:29 am
We have Walmart over here Leslie, maybe they sell them. I,ll have to look one day. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 10:33:01 am
Biscuits in America are similar to what British know as scones.

Biscuits in England are what Americans call "cookies."  They are not what Americans call biscuits - which have no sugar in them, generally.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 10:47:15 am
Quote from: souxi on October 13, 2006, 10:23:07 am
So there,e biscuits then? But, and forgive me for being dense, (I,m British blame that lol) why do you eat biscuits with your dinner? Bread rolls or nann bread sure, but biscuits? They are things we dunk in our tea, or coffee. I dont geddit. ??? ???

This is making me laugh out loud... the image of having a dinner of meatloaf and green beans with a plate of Oreos as the starch accompaniment!

Sorry...don't mean to tease. As Louise said, your biscuits are our cookies. [Do you have Oreos over there? "America's favorite cookie" -- two chocolate wafers with a white cream in between]. With a meal, some sort of bread is often served: bread, rolls, or biscuits. The thing that distinguishes a biscuit from a bread is that they are not made with yeast. The leavening agent is usually baking powder or baking soda. They do not need to rise before baking (as yeast breads do) and are often called "quick."

A few million posts ago, I posted a recipe for Edna's biscuits. It is over in the gallery, now, if anyone is inclined to experiment in the kitchen.

Meanwhile, here's an Oreo.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/180px-Oreo3.gif)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 13, 2006, 10:57:37 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 10:47:15 am
This is making me laugh out loud... the image of having a dinner of meatloaf and green beans with a plate of Oreos as the starch accompaniment!

Sorry...don't mean to tease. As Louise said, your biscuits are our cookies. [Do you have Oreos over there? "America's favorite cookie" -- two chocolate wafers with a white cream in between]. With a meal, some sort of bread is often served: bread, rolls, or biscuits. The thing that distinguishes a biscuit from a bread is that they are not made with yeast. The leavening agent is usually baking powder or baking soda. They do not need to rise before baking (as yeast breads do) and are often called "quick."

A few million posts ago, I posted a recipe for Edna's biscuits. It is over in the gallery, now, if anyone is inclined to experiment in the kitchen.

Meanwhile, here's an Oreo.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/180px-Oreo3.gif)


Leslie

Yes I knew you call biscuits cookies lol. As for those Oreos? We,d call them custard creams. Thats because you can get ones with yellow cream in and bourbons that have chocolate cream in them. Custard creams are GROSS. eeww. And yes I also know the difference between biscuits and bread lol it,s just that we all have different names for different things, or sometimes a different name for the same thing, thats why I get confused. It happens a lot lol. I,ve often meant to ask about Ennis and Ellery eating so many biscuits with everything. I learn something new every day. And I tell ya something else too, thanks to Louise, over the past 3 or 4 months, I,ve learnt an awful lot about gay sex lol. ;) Mind you, I think we all have due to Louise,s HOT writing. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 13, 2006, 11:02:23 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 06:22:06 am

PS...I am sure everyone has heard this a million times, but I'll mention it again for the one person on this planet who might not know this bit of trivia: this is the role that Larry McMurtry saw Heath in and said, "That's Ennis."

Wow, I did not know that.   :)  That is cool trivia to know.  Thanx for sharing.  I saw that movie once and can't remember much about it, only that it was sad.  I don't even recall what happened to Heath's character.
(Brain damage can be so annoying sometimes)   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 13, 2006, 11:03:22 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 10:22:09 am
I don't usually speculate on the board, but this one to me was as obvious as a pig in mud. I couldn't resist. LOL.

L

Would Ennis relate Francine's strange behaviour to the bedroom scene some time later when he is sober?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 13, 2006, 11:20:26 am
Wow!  I log in this morning to find 3 chappies to read ... in a row!  Cool Beans!
Awesome stuff.
Not to mention pages of E&E thread to catch up on.  What fun!

*shudders at the image of dunking rinner roll type objects in coffe or tea*    :laugh:

Southerners serve biscuits up with gravy for breakfast.  I myself prefer the crusty French or Italian type bread/rolls .. or some good Polish rye bread.    Oh, darn ... now I'm hungry! 

*grumbles at the unfairness of being stuck on a no sugar, low sodium, low carb diet*   :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 11:34:03 am
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 10:08:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/133445.html  "Chapter 31:  Fastidious"


kudos to Leslie for calling this one!


**SPOILERS**


Oh wonderful chapter and well done to Leslie for being the voice of reason.  It seems obvious now, but it wasnt to me at the time - all I was thinking about was Ennis and Ellery being exposed and I didnt like that at all.  It made me feel funny inside.  I should never have doubted you though Louise - not that I did!

I love that dirty, lusty talk between Ennis and Ellery, it really gets me going - Ellery isnt fussy where Ennis is concerned, cos he loves the bones of that man. 

Christie is a happy girl once again.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 11:34:49 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 10:05:19 am
For you Brits...do you have a grocery store that sells food items for homesick ex-pat Americans? You might find them there. LOL

L

Thats a great idea Lesley, I will do a bit of searching see what I come up with. Thanks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 11:38:06 am
Quote from: souxi on October 13, 2006, 10:57:37 am
Yes I knew you call biscuits cookies lol. As for those Oreos? We,d call them custard creams. Thats because you can get ones with yellow cream in and bourbons that have chocolate cream in them. Custard creams are GROSS. eeww. And yes I also know the difference between biscuits and bread lol it,s just that we all have different names for different things, or sometimes a different name for the same thing, thats why I get confused. It happens a lot lol. I,ve often meant to ask about Ennis and Ellery eating so many biscuits with everything. I learn something new every day. And I tell ya something else too, thanks to Louise, over the past 3 or 4 months, I,ve learnt an awful lot about gay sex lol. ;) Mind you, I think we all have due to Louise,s HOT writing. :o :o :o

Its easy to get confused with all these different names for the same thing - and I'm glad you cleared the biscuit thing up because it wsa something I kept meaning to ask Louise about too.  The thought of eating a biscuit with your tea!  Anyway, just to say Souxi, i LOVE custard creams! lol 

There's another fic I'm reading that had a twinkie as an, ahem, important part of a storyline - had never heard of a twinkie before reading that fic, and then someone posted a pic and it looks abit like a swiss roll.  Once I saw the pic I could just imagine that being used in the way it was in this fic.

sorry, very o/t.  Bad Christie.   :-X
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 13, 2006, 12:30:17 pm
Quote from: yb on October 13, 2006, 11:03:22 am
Would Ennis relate Francine's strange behaviour to the bedroom scene some time later when he is sober?

Good point there yb. Christ when Ennis realises why Francine was acting so flustered he,ll have a fit. Serves Wayne right if he does hit him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 13, 2006, 12:35:23 pm
Quote from: yb on October 13, 2006, 11:03:22 am
Would Ennis relate Francine's strange behaviour to the bedroom scene some time later when he is sober?


Somehow I doubt it---he was already in the bar and never knew she went up the stairway instead of following him, and he never realized she ever was up there.   And she ran in and got behind Jr at the jukebox before he even knew she wasn't right behind them.

I am thinking it won't even be thought about again--he may well think she is in a funny mood, but I don't see him going much farther than that--unless she or Jr, says something to make him aware.

Wayne has always sort of bugged me, doesn't surprise me a bit he would following Gene's lead-who is even worse than Wayne.

NAVYVET--check you pm--about MB spoiler.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 13, 2006, 01:17:50 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 10:08:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/133445.html  "Chapter 31:  Fastidious"


kudos to Leslie for calling this one!
Phew, thank you Louise, I didn't want them to get on candid camera, and they still got some time together. :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 01:32:42 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 13, 2006, 10:22:09 am
I don't usually speculate on the board, but this one to me was as obvious as a pig in mud. I couldn't resist. LOL.

L

Wonderful Leslie! Well, it wasn't obvious to me, lol  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 01:41:05 pm
Quote from: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 11:38:06 am

There's another fic I'm reading that had a twinkie as an, ahem, important part of a storyline - had never heard of a twinkie before reading that fic, and then someone posted a pic and it looks abit like a swiss roll.  Once I saw the pic I could just imagine that being used in the way it was in this fic.

sorry, very o/t.  Bad Christie.   :-X

Heeeee! Yep, know what fic you mean and saw the pic too! Love that fic!

And sorry dear Louise, June's being a naughty girl now too. Totally OT  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 13, 2006, 01:44:56 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 13, 2006, 12:35:23 pm

Somehow I doubt it---he was already in the bar and never knew she went up the stairway instead of following him, and he never realized she ever was up there.   And she ran in and got behind Jr at the jukebox before he even knew she wasn't right behind them.


Didn't the girls act all funny and suspicious about it in the restaurant?? Or is my mind playing tricks on me??  ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 02:55:19 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/133682.html  "Chapter 32: A Weary Morning"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 13, 2006, 03:08:07 pm
I was just sitting here thinking"Damn, I could really use another LS chapter," and lo and behold, here it is!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 13, 2006, 03:09:41 pm
didn't Ennis say yesterday that he loved saturday morning?
and not to forget sunday mornings, hunh?  ;D

verrrry nice louise!

good that junior and francine know they're welcome and will come over again (after a phone call of course).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 03:47:18 pm
Quote from: MadLori on October 13, 2006, 03:08:07 pm
I was just sitting here thinking"Damn, I could really use another LS chapter," and lo and behold, here it is!

you people are relentless!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 04:15:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 03:47:18 pm
you people are relentless!

Oh we are Louise but its cos a you we're like this!   ;D


**SPOILER**

Wonderful chapter Louise!  Whoo Heeee indeed!  Love it when Ennis gets all frustrated through lack of sex (even though it was only a few hours since they'd done it!), and Ellery just does as he's told - good boy!  lol

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 13, 2006, 04:33:57 pm
why thank you, I enjoyed writing it!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 13, 2006, 07:00:09 pm

How is our Jeeves Poll doing?

Rupert Everett  ...................6 (37.5%)
Charles Dance    ..................1 (6.3%)
Hugh Laurie      ...................3 (18.8%)
Stephen Fry     ....................0 (0%)
Richard Armitage  .................4 (25%)
Daniel Craig         ..................0 (0%)
our own Pastor Fred  ............1 (6.3%)
Other            ....................  1 (6.3%)


Yeehaw for Rupie!  ;)
 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 13, 2006, 07:12:17 pm
Quote from: christie wood on October 13, 2006, 04:15:32 pm
Oh we are Louise but its cos a you we're like this!   ;D


Nobody and nowhere without some E and E!

PS

Here is Australia's favourite biscuit - Tim Tams - the only chocolate thing in the universe which I don't like!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/40/Tim_tam.jpg/250px-Tim_tam.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 13, 2006, 07:22:37 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 13, 2006, 12:35:23 pm

Somehow I doubt it---he was already in the bar and never knew she went up the stairway instead of following him, and he never realized she ever was up there.   

Ranchgal it seems that Ennis did know that Francine went upstairs judging from the following exchange.

Ellery: So how come Francine don’t want ta stay?”

Ennis: “I don’t think she likes the bar. She acted funny when we went in, wandered around upstairs an then said it was smoky. She probably is havin problems with her asthma again an don’t want ta worry me about it. I used ta have insomnia worryin about Francine’s asthma, an she knows all that, so… don’t press her, all right?”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 13, 2006, 08:47:10 pm
I don't know if Sergio's pic has already been chosen, but this is Shalim, a Puerto Rican singer. I don't know what he sings or if he is any good but I think he's more or less known in the US, at least in Miami. What do you think? His hair isn't long but his face is very hispanic, and he isn't bad looking, is he? Click to enlarge

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/th_pub_3_hshot.jpg) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/pub_3_hshot.jpg)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/th_YY8W1111_large_1.jpg) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/YY8W1111_large_1.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/th_shalim2X.jpg) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/shalim2X.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 13, 2006, 11:27:24 pm
How about Fabio?

(http://www.fabioifc.com/fabio/FAB_GIFS3/fab_centerfold.gif)

OR somehow more authentic looking - actor Lou Diamond Phillips


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/seven-weblog/Lou_Diamond_Phillips7.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 13, 2006, 11:54:07 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 13, 2006, 07:22:37 pm
Ranchgal it seems that Ennis did know that Francine went upstairs judging from the following exchange.

Ellery: So how come Francine don’t want ta stay?”

Ennis: “I don’t think she likes the bar. She acted funny when we went in, wandered around upstairs an then said it was smoky. She probably is havin problems with her asthma again an don’t want ta worry me about it. I used ta have insomnia worryin about Francine’s asthma, an she knows all that, so… don’t press her, all right?”


I  guess I didn't read  that part carefully enough then, thanks for pointing it out, I still think he has pretty much spaced it off as he wouldn't have thought anyone else was in the bar anyway.
AND the asthma is a good enough excuse---She and Jr seemed to be covering themselves well by then.   AND he would figure, if she saw some stranger in the bar--she would have hollared about it, she is kind of flightly anyway.     Besides, they will be gone early, according to their plan, and I just don't see it being an issue, but I have been wrong before, and certainly will be again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 14, 2006, 12:45:55 am
Been searching for boys with long, black hair and olive/tan skin.  Think this one could pass for a Hispanic character like Sergio? He certainly does have long, wild hair!
Height: 180 cm / 5' 10''
Weight: 75 kg / 165 lbs 
Hair: Black
Preference: Top
Zodiac Sign: Aquarius

Marco now works as a professional fashion model. He was one of the cuddliest and most sensual boys George ever met, relaxed and totally happy all the time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 14, 2006, 12:51:44 am
Another Sergio candidate?  Antonio Sanchez - model.  His hair is in a ponytail.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 14, 2006, 12:57:08 am
One more cutie - hair might not be long enough.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 01:08:18 am
It's occurred to me that whenever Louise introduces a new character this is leapt upon as an excuse to post numerous pictures of half naked good looking men! I mean how many pix of possible Wes and Ednas did we post around here?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 01:19:21 am
Quote from: ranchgal on October 13, 2006, 11:54:07 pm
I  guess I didn't read  that part carefully enough then, thanks for pointing it out, I still think he has pretty much spaced it off as he wouldn't have thought anyone else was in the bar anyway.
AND the asthma is a good enough excuse---She and Jr seemed to be covering themselves well by then.   AND he would figure, if she saw some stranger in the bar--she would have hollared about it, she is kind of flightly anyway.     Besides, they will be gone early, according to their plan, and I just don't see it being an issue, but I have been wrong before, and certainly will be again.

You may be right Ranchgal. Then again Ennis does tend to have a mind like a steel trap where Ellery and the girls are concerned. Once something registers on his radar he doesn't let it go. Remember how he brought up the conversation he saw Ellery having with Simon out the back of the bar the next day?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 14, 2006, 04:57:24 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 01:08:18 am
It's occurred to me that whenever Louise introduces a new character this is leapt upon as an excuse to post numerous pictures of half naked good looking men! I mean how many pix of possible Wes and Ednas did we post around here?

Heh heh, that's SO true Jo!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 14, 2006, 04:59:44 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 01:19:21 am
You may be right Ranchgal. Then again Ennis does tend to have a mind like a steel trap where Ellery and the girls are concerned. Once something registers on his radar he doesn't let it go. Remember how he brought up the conversation he saw Ellery having with Simon out the back of the bar the next day?

Yep! Ennis is like a pit bull where they are concerned! He might let go for now because they've gone home but I'm pretty sure it will come up again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 14, 2006, 07:17:24 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 01:08:18 am
I mean how many pix of possible Wes and Ednas did we post around here?

not many, i agree.

SPOILER(ish)

i would give money to see the look on Wes's face when Ellery tells him 'sex happened'  ;D  :o
Do you think Wes would tell Edna about that? hmm, maybe not. I don't think Edna told Wes about the vaseline either.

I loooove Wes and Edna. Great characters, Ellery and Ennis are very lucky to have such wonderful 'parents/in laws'.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 14, 2006, 08:50:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/134068.html  "Chapter 33:  Unwelcome Company"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 14, 2006, 08:50:37 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 14, 2006, 07:17:24 am
not many, i agree.

SPOILER(ish)

i would give money to see the look on Wes's face when Ellery tells him 'sex happened'  ;D  :o
Do you think Wes would tell Edna about that? hmm, maybe not. I don't think Edna told Wes about the vaseline either.

I loooove Wes and Edna. Great characters, Ellery and Ennis are very lucky to have such wonderful 'parents/in laws'.

I totally agree, they have such genuine love and fondness for Ellery and Ennis.  Its really great to see that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 14, 2006, 09:08:56 am
Louise
I love this chapter very much, it's just heart-warming to see how Wes & Edna stood up for Ennis & Ellery and the affection they have for them are so genuine.  And the last lines about coffee are wonderful.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 14, 2006, 09:17:11 am
I totally agree yb, wasnt it wonderful to hear Wes and Edna defend Ellery and Ennis like that! Made my heart melt. 

Was Ennis grumpy because he was enjoying being in bed with Ellery or the thought of having to see Bunny again?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 14, 2006, 09:21:01 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 14, 2006, 09:17:11 am
I totally agree yb, wasnt it wonderful to hear Wes and Edna defend Ellery and Ennis like that! Made my heart melt. 

Was Ennis grumpy because he was enjoying being in bed with Ellery or the thought of having to see Bunny again?

Probably both Christie knowing Ennis lol. ;D Oh boy that chapter made me laugh lol. :laugh: :laugh: I love Wes, he,s a diamond he is. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 14, 2006, 09:34:24 am
*typity type type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 09:40:50 am
OK somebody needs to put in a good word for boring old knitting following the last chapter so it might as well be me. I took up knitting relatively late and found I enjoyed it although I haven't knitted for a while now. I had an older friend to teach me and get me out of trouble which helped a lot! Knitting is definitely uncool so much so that the wool shops have all but disappeared and those that remain have limited stock. I miss walking into a wool shop and being surrounded by all those colours and textures which I could never resist. Check out these knits from UK designer Kaffe Fassett to see what I mean. 

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/kaffe.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 14, 2006, 10:06:31 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 09:40:50 am
OK somebody needs to put in a good word for boring old knitting following the last chapter so it might as well be me. I took up knitting relatively late and found I enjoyed it although I haven't knitted for a while now. I had an older friend to teach me and get me out of trouble which helped a lot! Knitting is definitely uncool so much so that the wool shops have all but disappeared and those that remain have limited stock. I miss walking into a wool shop and being surrounded by all those colours and textures which I could never resist. Check out these knits from UK designer Kaffe Fassett to see what I mean. 

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/kaffe.jpg)



Wow MM that is good knitting. I can knit, well kind of lol, but I havnt done any for years now. I remember once I attempted to knit a scarf. Simple enough you would think? Mine ended up with a large bit in the middle. It looked like a bum warmer in the end lol. Suffice to say at that stage I gave up.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 14, 2006, 10:31:15 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 09:40:50 am
I miss walking into a wool shop and being surrounded by all those colours and textures which I could never resist. Check out these knits from UK designer Kaffe Fassett to see what I mean. 

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/kaffe.jpg)

Gorgeous colors! Never have learned to knit but I love quilting when I have the time (haha) and that's one of the major pleasures of shopping for fabric and supplies: visually pigging out on all those colors and patterns.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 10:33:59 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 09:40:50 am
OK somebody needs to put in a good word for boring old knitting following the last chapter so it might as well be me. I took up knitting relatively late and found I enjoyed it although I haven't knitted for a while now. I had an older friend to teach me and get me out of trouble which helped a lot! Knitting is definitely uncool so much so that the wool shops have all but disappeared and those that remain have limited stock. I miss walking into a wool shop and being surrounded by all those colours and textures which I could never resist. Check out these knits from UK designer Kaffe Fassett to see what I mean. 


I used to be a mad knitter. My grandmother taught me. Sweaters, hats, mittens...I was knitting all the time. Then I had children! I even a knitted a bit when they were little, and made them sweaters, until I discovered the impracticality of wool and toddlers. You need something you can throw in the washing machine. LOL

Needle arts, of all sorts, are very popular here in Maine...part of our image, I think. We have lots of great yarn shops, Jo, and they are NOT selling three ply acrylic for 99 cents a skein! Come visit!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 14, 2006, 10:34:07 am
You can make quilts?? Wow you are clever Marge. Wish I was half as clever...no chance of that lol. ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 14, 2006, 10:34:47 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/134229.html  "Chapter 34:  A Dinner Disaster"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 14, 2006, 10:51:08 am
Another great chapter.  I love Wes and Edna to pieces ... well, right after Ennis and Ellery.  Seriously, I really hope Wes & Enda will at least be informed by E&E about the ceremony they have; they deserve this especially after Wes and Edna's declaration that they love them like their own sons.  I am so touched by their love to them.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 14, 2006, 11:22:11 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 09:40:50 am
OK somebody needs to put in a good word for boring old knitting following the last chapter so it might as well be me. I took up knitting relatively late and found I enjoyed it although I haven't knitted for a while now. I had an older friend to teach me and get me out of trouble which helped a lot! Knitting is definitely uncool so much so that the wool shops have all but disappeared and those that remain have limited stock. I miss walking into a wool shop and being surrounded by all those colours and textures which I could never resist. Check out these knits from UK designer Kaffe Fassett to see what I mean. 


I can't knit worth a damn, LOL  ;D

Love Kaffe Fassett's designs  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 11:32:35 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 14, 2006, 11:22:11 am
I can't knit worth a damn, LOL  ;D


but I'm good with a can opener...


(couldn't resist!)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 14, 2006, 11:39:52 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 11:32:35 am
but I'm good with a can opener...


(couldn't resist!)

L

 ;D I love it Leslie! Was waiting for somebody to reply like this!!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 14, 2006, 02:06:26 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 10:33:59 am
I used to be a mad knitter. My grandmother taught me. Sweaters, hats, mittens...I was knitting all the time. Then I had children! I even a knitted a bit when they were little, and made them sweaters, until I discovered the impracticality of wool and toddlers. You need something you can throw in the washing machine. LOL

I do some knitting and crochetting myself!  I used to crochet cute little baby blankets for my nieces/nephews when my sisters were having babies, but I haven't done that recently.  My friends tell me no 27 year old should be sitting at home crochetting or knitting at any time whatsoever ..lol...but that hasn't stopped me yet!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 14, 2006, 02:24:04 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 11:32:35 am
but I'm good with a can opener...


(couldn't resist!)

L
         great one leslie ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 14, 2006, 03:10:07 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/134577.html  "Chapter 35: Just Like Family"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 14, 2006, 03:10:13 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 14, 2006, 02:06:26 pm
I do some knitting and crochetting myself!  I used to crochet cute little baby blankets for my nieces/nephews when my sisters were having babies, but I haven't done that recently.  My friends tell me no 27 year old should be sitting at home crochetting or knitting at any time whatsoever ..lol...but that hasn't stopped me yet!  ;)

Your lucky you can crochet Lucise. I can crochet strings..bloody great long ones lol.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 14, 2006, 03:23:31 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 14, 2006, 03:10:13 pm
Your lucky you can crochet Lucise. I can crochet strings..bloody great long ones lol.  ::) ::)

 :laugh:  Well there's a start!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 14, 2006, 03:32:28 pm
A present for Bunny...I think she needs it: Silly old biddy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 14, 2006, 04:13:18 pm
ok... let's try this again.

Hugh in his new movie with "the biceps."

(http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1981/michaelcaineandhughjackmanjpgst1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 14, 2006, 05:38:40 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 14, 2006, 04:13:18 pm
ok... let's try this again.

Hugh in his new movie with "the biceps."

(http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1981/michaelcaineandhughjackmanjpgst1.jpg)

Omg Louise, its Ellery!  :P   What a man.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 14, 2006, 05:43:09 pm

**SPOILERS**



Louise those last two chapters about the dinner from hell were just fantastic.  Talk about an awkward atmosphere!!!  I cant believe that there was not one but two stupid old women at the dinner table!  I know Bunny is embarrassing with her hots for Ennis and then having a go at him for not realising she was in love with him? What?!!! She is just sexually frustrated and needs a good seeing too. lol  But its Julia that got up my nose, not once but twice spouting complete clap trap out of her filthy mouth.  And she's rude - doing that after Wes and Edna specifically asked her not to. 

I just love Ellery though - being as polite and nice as possible through it all, when he probably wanted to pour the coffee in her face!!! lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 14, 2006, 06:13:23 pm
I just love all those Brit expressions you ladies use:

"Got all up my nose..."  "a good seeing to!"

I might have to do a British fan fiction one of these days and use all these quaint expressions!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 06:49:18 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 14, 2006, 06:13:23 pm
I just love all those Brit expressions you ladies use:

"Got all up my nose..."  "a good seeing to!"

I might have to do a British fan fiction one of these days and use all these quaint expressions!

Even though I live in Oz my parents were Londoners and so I am familiar with those expressions reserved for the  female of the species eg "You little mare". "You cow!" or "sow" - take your pick! Another expression I particularly like is "tripehound".

PS Even though gay men (women) can find themselves the object of scorn from people like Julia - may I say that nothing beats the scorn heaped on a post menopausal woman who has the temerity to forget that she should remain invisible.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 06:55:54 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 11:32:35 am
but I'm good with a can opener...


(couldn't resist!)

L

You are a caution Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 14, 2006, 07:07:48 pm
ack! another fan message...

Yes, I really am completing the Laramie Saga with this book.  I really am.

I really.... am.

I am sorry, everybody, but I have to go back to writing my original fiction, or I will go mad, mad I tell you - MAD!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 07:19:16 pm
Slightly OT but for those who might want a laugh...


There have been a couple of funny replies to my can opener comment (magicmountain, most recently)...

Everytime I read this I think of the "I am good with a canoe" line which I realize, none of you will know what I am talking about. However, in my opinion, one of the funniest threads on this board is over on Chez Tremblay and it is called the Malaysian Subtitles Thread. Everytime I look at it, I crack up...and if you read it, then you WILL know what the canoe line means...and a whole bunch more (Ennis Balmore? Huh?)

Here's the link...

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=478.75

and now I'll go bury Jack in his family plant...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 14, 2006, 07:25:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 14, 2006, 07:07:48 pm
ack! another fan message...

Yes, I really am completing the Laramie Saga with this book.  I really am.

I really.... am.

I am sorry, everybody, but I have to go back to writing my original fiction, or I will go mad, mad I tell you - MAD!

Yeah right!      Just as Anne Proulx said, these guys get under your skin and you can't get them out of your head!     I don't see an end coming~!      ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 14, 2006, 07:30:27 pm
now David, it's this kind of denial that just... is not helping.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 14, 2006, 07:56:10 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 07:19:16 pm
Slightly OT but for those who might want a laugh...


There have been a couple of funny replies to my can opener comment (magicmountain, most recently)...

Everytime I read this I think of the "I am good with a canoe" line which I realize, none of you will know what I am talking about. However, in my opinion, one of the funniest threads on this board is over on Chez Tremblay and it is called the Malaysian Subtitles Thread. Everytime I look at it, I crack up...and if you read it, then you WILL know what the canoe line means...and a whole bunch more (Ennis Balmore? Huh?)

Here's the link...

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=478.75

and now I'll go bury Jack in his family plant...

L

Thanks for that Leslie. This thread is hilarious. I am inspired to explore further afield for other hidden gems on this board.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 03:47:20 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 14, 2006, 05:43:09 pm
**SPOILERS**



Louise those last two chapters about the dinner from hell were just fantastic.  Talk about an awkward atmosphere!!!  I cant believe that there was not one but two stupid old women at the dinner table!  I know Bunny is embarrassing with her hots for Ennis and then having a go at him for not realising she was in love with him? What?!!! She is just sexually frustrated and needs a good seeing too. lol  But its Julia that got up my nose, not once but twice spouting complete clap trap out of her filthy mouth.  And she's rude - doing that after Wes and Edna specifically asked her not to. 

I just love Ellery though - being as polite and nice as possible through it all, when he probably wanted to pour the coffee in her face!!! lol

Mornin all. Your right there Christie. She does need a good seeing too lol, with that plastic friend. ;) Silly dried up old bag. And Julia, if I,d been Edna I,d have slapped her silly face for daring to be so rude. Ignorant old sow she is. Thing is, when Bunny shook Ennis,s hand, and Ellery saw him shiver, it was obvious she made his skin crawl, so any romantic ideas are all in her silly dried up head. I can see Ellery having sharp words with Mel about this now. Do all women act like this when they get to a "certain" age? I mean is this what we,ve got to look forward to Christie? Jeez. I think I,l go to the vet and be put down now lol. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 03:49:28 am
Quote from: louisev on October 14, 2006, 06:13:23 pm
I just love all those Brit expressions you ladies use:

"Got all up my nose..."  "a good seeing to!"

I might have to do a British fan fiction one of these days and use all these quaint expressions!

Hahaha ok Christie, help me think up some of our quaint expressions for Louise lol. I bet you,ve got a choice few, as your a scouser lol. ;) ;) Cripes and I,m an Essex gal, what a combination lol. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 15, 2006, 04:20:16 am
Quote from: souxi on October 15, 2006, 03:47:20 am
Mornin all. Your right there Christie. She does need a good seeing too lol, with that plastic friend. ;) Silly dried up old bag. And Julia, if I,d been Edna I,d have slapped her silly face for daring to be so rude. Ignorant old sow she is. Thing is, when Bunny shook Ennis,s hand, and Ellery saw him shiver, it was obvious she made his skin crawl, so any romantic ideas are all in her silly dried up head. I can see Ellery having sharp words with Mel about this now. Do all women act like this when they get to a "certain" age? I mean is this what we,ve got to look forward to Christie? Jeez. I think I,l go to the vet and be put down now lol. ::) ::)

Well Souxi, according to participants in the Grumpy Old Women TV series here are just some of the delights in store when you reach a “certain age”.
•   Your bra size is practically a telephone number and you now shop in the underwear department from hell.
•   You say to people, ‘That shows my age,’ and they no longer contradict you.
•   Little bits of you face start to sag and give you that really grumpy look often seen on the sort of
                women who push their way in at jumble sales and get all the bargains.
•   You are plucking your facial hair on an hourly basis.
•   You complain a lot.
•   You start to enjoy pottering.
•   You develop a double chin.
•   You start collecting used margarine tubs and used plastic bags.
•   Young men are afraid to be left alone with you lest you pounce (Men of any age I fear!)
•    If you wore a thong, you might look like a Sumo wrestler.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 04:36:15 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 15, 2006, 04:20:16 am
Well Souxi, according to participants in the Grumpy Old Women TV series here are just some of the delights in store when you reach a “certain age”.
•   Your bra size is practically a telephone number and you now shop in the underwear department from hell.
•   You say to people, ‘That shows my age,’ and they no longer contradict you.
•   Little bits of you face start to sag and give you that really grumpy look often seen on the sort of
                women who push their way in at jumble sales and get all the bargains.
•   You are plucking your facial hair on an hourly basis.
•   You complain a lot.
•   You start to enjoy pottering.
•   You develop a double chin.
•   You start collecting used margarine tubs and used plastic bags.
•   Young men are afraid to be left alone with you lest you pounce (Men of any age I fear!)
•    If you wore a thong, you might look like a Sumo wrestler.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Thats brilliant MM lol. OMG I hope I hope I dont end up like that lol. Sounds like a good series, bit like a female version of our Victor Meldrew(one foot in the grave). Can you get the series on dvd? I,d like to see that, sounds funny lol. Bra size like a phone number:  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Love it lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 15, 2006, 04:54:13 am
Quote from: souxi on October 15, 2006, 04:36:15 am
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Thats brilliant MM lol. OMG I hope I hope I dont end up like that lol. Sounds like a good series, bit like a female version of our Victor Meldrew(one foot in the grave). Can you get the series on dvd? I,d like to see that, sounds funny lol. Bra size like a phone number:  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Love it lol.

Here's the link to the BBc shop for DVD.

http://www.bbcshop.com/icat/grumpyoldmenwomen?bklist=icat,5,,2,526,grumpyoldmenwomen&
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 15, 2006, 06:05:25 am
Hello. After a particulaly hectic weekend I'm catching up on my reading. Wow - what a dinner party. I can't believe that some people would be so rude as to voice their prejudices so openly. Old bags!!!!

As for Bunny - she is a silly auld biddy, but, oh I dunno I feel a tiny bit sorry for her. Bodily throwing herself at Ennis isn't the cure though. Unrequited love (or even lust) is horrible. Her reaction was appalling mind you. Never use the 'F' word.

On a personally distressing note, I appear to have lost my memory stick, which had all my fave fics on it. All those back chapters of LS just gone  :(

My own fault, slighty inebriated after a work's party on Friday, dropped my bag on the way home, must have fallen out then. I think I would have peferred to lose my wallet (isn't that the sign of a mind unhinged by a fan fiction addiction).

Of course, the boys getting home from the dinner party might give me something to look forward to  ;)

Karen

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 07:12:01 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 15, 2006, 06:05:25 am
Hello. After a particulaly hectic weekend I'm catching up on my reading. Wow - what a dinner party. I can't believe that some people would be so rude as to voice their prejudices so openly. Old bags!!!!

As for Bunny - she is a silly auld biddy, but, oh I dunno I feel a tiny bit sorry for her. Bodily throwing herself at Ennis isn't the cure though. Unrequited love (or even lust) is horrible. Her reaction was appalling mind you. Never use the 'F' word.

On a personally distressing note, I appear to have lost my memory stick, which had all my fave fics on it. All those back chapters of LS just gone  :(

My own fault, slighty inebriated after a work's party on Friday, dropped my bag on the way home, must have fallen out then. I think I would have peferred to lose my wallet (isn't that the sign of a mind unhinged by a fan fiction addiction).

Of course, the boys getting home from the dinner party might give me something to look forward to  ;)

Karen



Oh Karen, that's so awful about your memory stick :(

Heh heh, yep, looking forward to some TLC between the two of them  ;)  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 07:14:15 am
Quote from: souxi on October 15, 2006, 03:49:28 am
Hahaha ok Christie, help me think up some of our quaint expressions for Louise lol. I bet you,ve got a choice few, as your a scouser lol. ;) ;) Cripes and I,m an Essex gal, what a combination lol. ;) ;)

How about ' geezer'  (for a guy) 

'crumpet' -  sexually attractive person

'bird' -  attractive female, can be taken as offensive

'cor blimey' - said in surprise

All of these expressions are English slang, not exactly something Jeeves would say  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 15, 2006, 07:23:24 am
"Now I say.... I think we should press on with all possible dispatch"

    ....Name the movie that line is from!

a clue:  it was a comedy.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:03:20 am
Has anybody else been having LJ problems??  ???

*frustrated sigh*   ::)  ::)   >:(

I don't suppose you can put up a chapter either eh Louise??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 09:05:47 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:03:20 am
Has anybody else been having LJ problems??  ???

*frustrated sigh*   ::)  ::)   >:(

I don't suppose you can put up a chapter either eh Louise??

No I havnt? What problems? Eeeeek does this mean NO chapters today then?  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:08:48 am
Quote from: souxi on October 15, 2006, 09:05:47 am
No I havnt? What problems? Eeeeek does this mean NO chapters today then?  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :'( :'( :'( :'(

Hey darlin  :)

I can't read or comment on any of the fics on my friends page!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*screams* 

 >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 15, 2006, 09:10:54 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:03:20 am
Has anybody else been having LJ problems??  ???


Yup - there seem to be probs. And I was trying to catch up on my reading.  :(

Yikes - will have to go and do some housework now or summat.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:21:25 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 15, 2006, 09:10:54 am
Yup - there seem to be probs. And I was trying to catch up on my reading.  :(

Yikes - will have to go and do some housework now or summat.

Karen

Whew! Glad I'm not the only one, thought it might have been my comp acting up!

Yikes indeed!  :(  What on earth are we going to do now?!?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 09:24:10 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:21:25 am
Whew! Glad I'm not the only one, thought it might have been my comp acting up!

Yikes indeed!  :(  What on earth are we going to do now?!?  ;D

Well I dont know about you lot, but if I cant have my daily EE fix I,m gonna go sit in my padded cell, with a very large bottle of brandy,and get drunk. Coming June? We can sit and get pissed together lol. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 15, 2006, 09:28:40 am
Here's Ennis working hard at the Ranch and plotting his next moves on Ellery.


(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ennis-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 09:29:19 am
Oeeeerrr!! I just tried to forward on from chapter 32 to 33 and it said "no parameters given". What does that translate to in English anyone?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 15, 2006, 09:30:19 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 15, 2006, 09:28:40 am
Here's Ennis working hard at the Ranch and plotting his next moves on Ellery.


He looks more like he is thinking about Bunny Ruskin..."Is there some way I can get this horse Calico to trample that crazy woman?"

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 15, 2006, 09:32:49 am
Quote from: souxi on October 15, 2006, 09:29:19 am
Oeeeerrr!! I just tried to forward on from chapter 32 to 33 and it said "no parameters given". What does that translate to in English anyone?  ??? ??? ???

Yes, there is some kind of problem with the site. I couldn't forward either.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on October 15, 2006, 09:33:59 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 15, 2006, 07:23:24 am
"Now I say.... I think we should press on with all possible dispatch"

    ....Name the movie that line is from!

a clue:  it was a comedy.   :)

I believe it's from It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 15, 2006, 09:38:33 am
I have all of the chapters, if you would like me to post them during the Livejournal outage, I can do that.  Which chapter do you want me to start at?

I am presently working on chapter 36 and will post that here if it will help you folks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:39:08 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 15, 2006, 09:30:19 am
He looks more like he is thinking about Bunny Ruskin..."Is there some way I can get this horse Calico to trample that crazy woman?"

L

Heeee! I agree, Leslie  :D

Cute pic of him, never seen it before.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 15, 2006, 09:41:35 am
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 09:38:33 am
I have all of the chapters, if you would like me to post them during the Livejournal outage, I can do that.  Which chapter do you want me to start at?

I am presently working on chapter 36 and will post that here if it will help you folks.

That's great!  I was going to suggest that but not sure if it is allowed here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:41:55 am
Quote from: souxi on October 15, 2006, 09:24:10 am
Well I dont know about you lot, but if I cant have my daily EE fix I,m gonna go sit in my padded cell, with a very large bottle of brandy,and get drunk. Coming June? We can sit and get pissed together lol. ;) ;)

I'm right behind you Souxi!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:45:01 am
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 09:38:33 am
I have all of the chapters, if you would like me to post them during the Livejournal outage, I can do that.  Which chapter do you want me to start at?

I am presently working on chapter 36 and will post that here if it will help you folks.

Good idea Louise! I'm dying for the latest chapter   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 15, 2006, 09:48:13 am
Hey everyone - looks like LiveJournal is back up! Hurrah!!!  ;D

No hoovering for me.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 15, 2006, 09:48:46 am
Quote from: pastorfred on October 15, 2006, 09:33:59 am
I believe it's from It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.

Right O!       That was a line from the gap toothed Brit Terry Thomas.       ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:59:59 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 15, 2006, 09:48:13 am
Hey everyone - looks like LiveJournal is back up! Hurrah!!!  ;D

No hoovering for me.

Karen

Yeeeeee-haaaaaaaaaaaaww! Not for me either Karen  ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 15, 2006, 10:05:55 am
...and just in time for me:

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/134845.html  "Chapter 36:  Aftershock"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 10:22:57 am
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 10:05:55 am
...and just in time for me:

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/134845.html  "Chapter 36:  Aftershock"

Poor, poor Ennis....... :'(  :'(  :'(

I hope he won't shut out Ellery and that he'll talk to him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 15, 2006, 10:27:12 am
*typity type type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 10:29:23 am
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 10:27:12 am
*typity type type*


Whew! Thank God Louise, I really need to read what happens with Ennis and Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 15, 2006, 11:06:27 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/135135.html  "Chapter 37:  Withdrawal"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 12:31:49 pm
I take it all back. Bunny doesnt need a plastic friend, she needs hitting over the head with one of these. Bloody old sow. grrr. >:( >:( >:( >:( I,ll do it. Tell you what June, you sit on her, and I,ll bash her over the head with it ok?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 15, 2006, 12:50:37 pm
egad, Souxi, you're really bringing the hammer down on poor Bunny!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 15, 2006, 12:59:36 pm
there will be another chapter today, folks, I just had to pause to make... a cake.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 01:00:03 pm
Poor Bunny? pffftttttt!!!!!!!!!! If the hammer doesnt work, drop one of these on her head. That,ll get rid of her. Hateful old cow. Poor Ennis.  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 01:03:32 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 15, 2006, 12:31:49 pm
I take it all back. Bunny doesnt need a plastic friend, she needs hitting over the head with one of these. Bloody old sow. grrr. >:( >:( >:( >:( I,ll do it. Tell you what June, you sit on her, and I,ll bash her over the head with it ok?

Okay Souxi, I'm normally not into violence at all BUT just because she messed up poor sweet Ennis I'll be glad to sit on her!  ;D

And WHAT is that other thing?? A bomb! LOL!LOL!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 01:05:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 12:59:36 pm
there will be another chapter today, folks, I just had to pause to make... a cake.

Yummy Louise! What kind? Edna's chocolate one??  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 15, 2006, 01:23:52 pm
nope, I am making a marble loaf cake with gluten free flour. Have to use up my supplies before I move, and I have a LOT of flour.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 01:30:48 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 01:03:32 pm
Okay Souxi, I'm normally not into violence at all BUT just because she messed up poor sweet Ennis I'll be glad to sit on her!  ;D

And WHAT is that other thing?? A bomb! LOL!LOL!  :laugh:

Yup it sure is..it,s a nuclear one too, so when she gets blown up she,ll look something like this:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 15, 2006, 01:46:05 pm
now now now... you two settle down.

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/135407.html  "Chapter 38:  Act of Desperation"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 15, 2006, 01:58:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 01:46:05 pm
now now now... you two settle down.



Just the thing Edna would say. Must be all the cake baking!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 15, 2006, 02:00:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 01:46:05 pm
now now now... you two settle down.

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/135407.html  "Chapter 38:  Act of Desperation"


Well, after this, I think it is pretty clear that ol'Bunny is doing just fine taking care of herself! LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 15, 2006, 02:04:43 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 15, 2006, 02:00:14 pm
Well, after this, I think it is pretty clear that ol'Bunny is doing just fine taking care of herself! LOL

Leslie

I,ve got just the thing to "take care" of Bunny with Leslie: a bunny boiler.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 15, 2006, 03:45:35 pm
Evening everyone

Well, I seem to have missed a lot of fun today!  I hadnt had chance to catch the chapters until about an hour ago, so luckily I didnt have to suffer any withdrawal symptoms as the three Dinner From Hell chapters were all there, waiting for me to read.  Wonderful chapters as always Louise, but my god, that Bunny has some serious delusional problems going on!  I'm surprised that Ennis didnt ask Ellery to go out with him to the stables? Anyhow, that old bat showed her true colours didnt she - the minute she knew Ennis was gay it was out with the homophobic remarks, to try and make Ennis look like he's done something wrong, when it's her stupid warped ways that got her in this mess. 

I know I should feel sorry for her but I dont.  I just worry about Ennis, and about Ellery, trying his hardest not to have that cigar.  At least Ellery got Ennis to relieve some of his frustration....*grin*  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 15, 2006, 03:52:06 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 15, 2006, 03:49:28 am
Hahaha ok Christie, help me think up some of our quaint expressions for Louise lol. I bet you,ve got a choice few, as your a scouser lol. ;) ;) Cripes and I,m an Essex gal, what a combination lol. ;) ;)

Sorry I didnt get back to you sooner with this Souxi - Sundays are usually not my best day for spending hours on the BBM forums and reading slash, worst luck!

Oh I can think of loads of "quaint" expressions, just got to get my thinking cap on.  In Liverpool, the term "Queen" is used a lot as in "alright, Queen", a term of endearment to any female, but mainly for those over a certain age.  ;)

I'm actually not a scouser though, just to confuse you!  I am from just outside Liverpool, but consider myself an honorary scouser, as I love this city so much.  So I have lots of "northern" expressions that I can pass on to you

Has anyone heard of the expression "I've got to see a man about  a dog"?  My dad used to say this alot when I was growing up and I took it literally for years - until I found it usually meant he was going to the pub.  :laugh:  Or some people use it as a way of saying they are going to the loo (sorry, toilet).  Dont ask me why.  ???

I'll have to think of some more when my brain is in working order.  You may be waiting a while then!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 15, 2006, 03:54:24 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 15, 2006, 09:39:08 am
Heeee! I agree, Leslie  :D

Cute pic of him, never seen it before.

That pic of him is from a collection thats been posted on ebay, to show the clothes that are being put up for a charity auction.  This is the link:  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Brokeback-Mountain-Hollywoodvault1

Have a look at the pics on here, because there are a lot that have never been seen before - well, I've certainly never seen them.  They are wonderful. 

(I hope its ok to post this link, if not let me know and I'll delete it).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 15, 2006, 06:40:10 pm
Well folks, it looks like today we hit a two week high of readership... so the question that has been plaguing my mind, whether the readers are enjoying the current story line and drama of the Red Stallion, the new characters, and most recently, the drama at Sunday dinner with Edna's cousin and Bunny Ruskin, is a resounding "yes"!

Thanks for all of your reading and feedback and comments, it is wonderful to see all of you so engaged with the story!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 15, 2006, 09:47:06 pm
Eight gripping chapters during the weekend, funny, dramatic and stressful for Ennis at the end.
 I hope those two bold old women don’t break him. Bunny is disgusting, calling him f…and then exclaimed she doesn’t want to live without him - this f….. The next she'll come up with a story about him trying to physically assault  her, exactlywhat he is dreading. I was worried Ennis was going to turn our Ellery and retrieve to hide into his shell as he had used before but he is already better then this ( Ellery is miracle worker).
Thank you Louise

 And thanks for

Quote from: louisev on October 13, 2006, 08:46:12 am
More Hudity!

(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1459/mtv8qx7.jpg)

Picture this walking into the Red Stallion! Full length black leather pants...

How could be Ennis irritated about this ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 15, 2006, 10:59:44 pm
Ellery in a more sombre mood. No wonder with all the recent
goings on! When will he and Ennis remember to rewind that
camera tape?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh14.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 15, 2006, 11:35:14 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 15, 2006, 10:59:44 pm
Ellery in a more sombre mood. No wonder with all the recent
goings on! When will he and Ennis remember to rewind that
camera tape?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh14.jpg)
                                      this is one of the best pictures of that beautiful man yet..  heart throp, heart throp, throp, duuhhhhhhhhhhhh.  flatlined
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 16, 2006, 01:03:14 am
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on October 15, 2006, 11:35:14 pm
                                      this is one of the best pictures of that beautiful man yet..  heart throp, heart throp, throp, duuhhhhhhhhhhhh.  flatlined

Hope that makes up for the one with Ennis in a dress!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 16, 2006, 04:19:53 am
Louise - what fine chapters. That whole dinner was a total ordeal!

I know that I epxressed some sympathy for Bunny, but in hindsight, what was I thinking!?!

I was very concerned that Ennis was going to take fright and make a run for it. I think that a few months previously he would have done. Ellery has dedicated a lot of time and love to making Ennis happier with who he is. I really hope there won't be a backlash from the Bunny situation.

We like the boys happy!

Oh - and I found my memory stick. Lots of whooping for joy  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 16, 2006, 04:28:57 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 16, 2006, 04:19:53 am
Louise - what fine chapters. That whole dinner was a total ordeal!

I know that I epxressed some sympathy for Bunny, but in hindsight, what was I thinking!?!

I was very concerned that Ennis was going to take fright and make a run for it. I think that a few months previously he would have done. Ellery has dedicated a lot of time and love to making Ennis happier with who he is. I really hope there won't be a backlash from the Bunny situation.

We like the boys happy!

Oh - and I found my memory stick. Lots of whooping for joy  ;D

Karen

Glad you found your memory stick Kazza. :) I was a bit concerned that Ennis might make a run for it, but something else struck me. Ennis has been running scared from people like Julia for most of his adult life. He,s 42 years old now. Isnt it time he made a stand? He cant keep running away..he,ll go insane and it,s no way to live. Besides, he,s got Ellery now, and he cant run away from him. I mean who, in their right mind would want to do that? It,d be nice to have the chance just so he could catch me. ;) ;) ;) ;) As for Bunny, well she,s in the right place and she seriously needs help. I wonder if she,s done this sort of thing before? Got obsessed with someone and tried to do something silly. Whatever happens, Ellery needs to make poor Ennis see thats it,s NOT his fault.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 16, 2006, 05:25:42 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 15, 2006, 03:54:24 pm
That pic of him is from a collection thats been posted on ebay, to show the clothes that are being put up for a charity auction.  This is the link:  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Brokeback-Mountain-Hollywoodvault1

Have a look at the pics on here, because there are a lot that have never been seen before - well, I've certainly never seen them.  They are wonderful. 

(I hope its ok to post this link, if not let me know and I'll delete it).

This was fun to look at, I hope they make lots of money for Human Rights charities. Interesting to see which items have the most bids and seem to be the most precious to fans. Wonder what NR!!! at the end of the description means?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 16, 2006, 05:29:43 am
oh Jo you make me so jealous of you Aussies, having access to Hughdity that us Americans only dream about!!!

Last night I stayed up late watching the full version of the interview with Hugh with James Lipton "Inside the Actors Studio" in 2004 that covered much of his life and details of his acting methods and training.  I didn't know that he won three awards for his Broadway performance of "The Boy from Oz" - considered the "Triple Crown" of stage acting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 16, 2006, 05:30:07 am
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 06:40:10 pm
Well folks, it looks like today we hit a two week high of readership... so the question that has been plaguing my mind, whether the readers are enjoying the current story line and drama of the Red Stallion, the new characters, and most recently, the drama at Sunday dinner with Edna's cousin and Bunny Ruskin, is a resounding "yes"!

Thanks for all of your reading and feedback and comments, it is wonderful to see all of you so engaged with the story!

Louise, I am definitely enjoying this story line. It is something that has bothered Ennis for a while, "other people knowing", and I think you have dealt with this well, especially his anxiety and self hatred, which never seems to go away entirely, although he is getting better at listening to Ellery and following his more relaxed lead. That Bunny is just a nutter, and although I feel Ennis is going to react badly to what she's gone and done, she's better off with professional help. I always love your writing anyway, you can't put a foot wrong with me ;-)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 05:36:08 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 15, 2006, 03:54:24 pm
That pic of him is from a collection thats been posted on ebay, to show the clothes that are being put up for a charity auction.  This is the link:  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Brokeback-Mountain-Hollywoodvault1

Have a look at the pics on here, because there are a lot that have never been seen before - well, I've certainly never seen them.  They are wonderful. 

(I hope its ok to post this link, if not let me know and I'll delete it).

Thanks Christie! I'll check it out  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 05:40:18 am
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 06:40:10 pm
Well folks, it looks like today we hit a two week high of readership... so the question that has been plaguing my mind, whether the readers are enjoying the current story line and drama of the Red Stallion, the new characters, and most recently, the drama at Sunday dinner with Edna's cousin and Bunny Ruskin, is a resounding "yes"!

Thanks for all of your reading and feedback and comments, it is wonderful to see all of you so engaged with the story!

You are more than welcome Louise  :) And thank YOU Louise for all your hard work, every single day for months now chapter after chapter of Ennis and Ellery goodness. I don't know what I'll do when The Red Stallion comes to an end  :(

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 05:43:56 am
Quote from: louisev on October 16, 2006, 05:29:43 am
oh Jo you make me so jealous of you Aussies, having access to Hughdity that us Americans only dream about!!!

Last night I stayed up late watching the full version of the interview with Hugh with James Lipton "Inside the Actors Studio" in 2004 that covered much of his life and details of his acting methods and training.  I didn't know that he won three awards for his Broadway performance of "The Boy from Oz" - considered the "Triple Crown" of stage acting.

You've got it BAD girl!! LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 16, 2006, 05:59:18 am
ah well... just like everything, it passes...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 16, 2006, 06:30:09 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 05:40:18 am
You are more than welcome Louise  :) And thank YOU Louise for all your hard work, every single day for months now chapter after chapter of Ennis and Ellery goodness.  

i agree wholeheartedly!

Quote from: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 05:40:18 am

I don't know what I'll do when The Red Stallion comes to an end

reread the whole Saga, of course. That should keep us busy for a while.  :)
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Post by: louisev on October 16, 2006, 06:35:15 am
it should keep you busy...! for a while at least!  until I write an add-on story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 06:38:40 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 16, 2006, 06:30:09 am

reread the whole Saga, of course. That should keep us busy for a while.  :)


Yes Fabienne, I think I will and I'm also going to print out all the books and have them bound. I did that with another favourite fic of mine that finished a while back and gave it to a very dear friend of mine. It looked so beautiful and that's what I want to do with the Laramie Saga too  :)
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Post by: opinionista on October 16, 2006, 06:41:24 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 05:40:18 am
You are more than welcome Louise  :) And thank YOU Louise for all your hard work, every single day for months now chapter after chapter of Ennis and Ellery goodness. I don't know what I'll do when The Red Stallion comes to an end  :(

 :-*

Read Louise's original stories is an option. I've just begun the Princes of East, and looks exciting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 16, 2006, 06:46:11 am
Quote from: louisev on October 15, 2006, 06:40:10 pm
Well folks, it looks like today we hit a two week high of readership... so the question that has been plaguing my mind, whether the readers are enjoying the current story line and drama of the Red Stallion, the new characters, and most recently, the drama at Sunday dinner with Edna's cousin and Bunny Ruskin, is a resounding "yes"!

Thanks for all of your reading and feedback and comments, it is wonderful to see all of you so engaged with the story!

You are more than welcome Louise, you are making us so happy with the constant posting of chapters, we are very very lucky.  This story has grabbed hold of me more than I ever thought it would, and I find myself thinking about Ennis and Ellery a lot.  This is a testament to your wonderful writing, your wonderful characters and the love you have created for Ennis and Ellery.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 06:51:36 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 16, 2006, 06:41:24 am
Read Louise's original stories is an option. I've just begun the Princes of East, and looks exciting.

Oh yes! I'm hoping to start reading one of them very soon. I'll be checking my mail box several times a day as of today Louise  ;)   :)
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Post by: christie wood on October 16, 2006, 06:52:26 am
Quote from: louisev on October 16, 2006, 05:29:43 am
oh Jo you make me so jealous of you Aussies, having access to Hughdity that us Americans only dream about!!!

Last night I stayed up late watching the full version of the interview with Hugh with James Lipton "Inside the Actors Studio" in 2004 that covered much of his life and details of his acting methods and training.  I didn't know that he won three awards for his Broadway performance of "The Boy from Oz" - considered the "Triple Crown" of stage acting.

I remember watching Hugh on Parkinson (a UK chat show) a couple of years ago, I think he had just done "Oklahoma" in the West End, and he was such a nice person.  I didnt really know a lot about him, but he was so pleasant and funny and so interesting, it was a great interview.  He even sang a little at the end, and boy he has one good singing voice!!!

Slightly o/t but I would love to see Heath Ledger "In the Actors Studio", I think that would be fascinating.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 16, 2006, 06:55:08 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 16, 2006, 06:41:24 am
Read Louise's original stories is an option. I've just begun the Princes of East, and looks exciting.

absolutely!

Quote from: louisev on October 16, 2006, 06:35:15 am
it should keep you busy...! for a while at least!  until I write an add-on story.

*applauds* great! maybe we can find out a bit more about their time in the Honeymoon Cottage. (and, no, i really don't mean, more getting fancy!  ;D)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 16, 2006, 07:00:08 am
A little bit late but the feeling is heartfelt:

Happy Birthday to Scudder!

Scudder, a devoted reader, regular lurker and occasional poster, turned 81 years young on Saturday. Best wishes and I hope you had a wonderful day!

Hugs and more,

Leslie
xo
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 16, 2006, 07:10:53 am
yes, Natali is leading the way, foraging into my original stories.  A lot more plot, a lot less getting fancy, but nonetheless no story of mine is completely devoid of sex!  Depending upon which one you choose, of course.  "Princes of the East" is a retelling of the saga of the life and loves of Saheris El Maduc, a fictionalized version of Attila the Hun, who managed to marry 54 women in his lengthy life, and conquer most of Eastern Europe in the process.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 16, 2006, 07:37:19 am
I have started re-reading the LS for some time now, but I'm doing it at a leisured pace - a few pages each night only.  I'm now up to the latter part of Book 3, so I still have a few books to read.

I am also waiting for the arrival of Erotic Etudes and just today have thought about reading the other stories on Louise's website.  Since LS will end after The Red Stallion, I will have to find something else from you to read.  But I'm not familiar with those stories at all, I'm a bit worried I may have a hard time understanding them.  But I'll try. 

Louise, it's not just because of sex that LS has captured my heart so deeply, it's the ways you describe the relationship between E&E, their struggles, Ennis's relationship with his daughters and Alma etc that stand out so much to me.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 16, 2006, 07:39:11 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 16, 2006, 07:00:08 am
A little bit late but the feeling is heartfelt:

Happy Birthday to Scudder!

Scudder, a devoted reader, regular lurker and occasional poster, turned 81 years young on Saturday. Best wishes and I hope you had a wonderful day!

Hugs and more,

Leslie
xo

Scudder, we have not talked before but still

Happy Birthday!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 16, 2006, 08:32:52 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 16, 2006, 07:00:08 am
A little bit late but the feeling is heartfelt:

Happy Birthday to Scudder!

Scudder, a devoted reader, regular lurker and occasional poster, turned 81 years young on Saturday. Best wishes and I hope you had a wonderful day!

Hugs and more,

Leslie
xo
Thanks, one and all for your Birthday wishes.  Yes, I had a happy day, quiet but satisfying.  I especially thank Leslie for getting me involved, first with A Love Born from Steel, then with the Larramie Saga, and then with many of the fine AU stories out there.  I have learned a lot (even at 81 I have a lot to learn), and while I don't post much, I sure do enjoy reading your comments.  You are a great group!  and Louise is a learned psychologist and a great story-teller. Be good, everyone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 08:41:07 am
Quote from: scudder on October 16, 2006, 08:32:52 am
Thanks, one and all for your Birthday wishes.  Yes, I had a happy day, quiet but satisfying.  I especially thank Leslie for getting me involved, first with A Love Born from Steel, then with the Larramie Saga, and then with many of the fine AU stories out there.  I have learned a lot (even at 81 I have a lot to learn), and while I don't post much, I sure do enjoy reading your comments.  You are a great group!  and Louise is a learned psychologist and a great story-teller. Be good, everyone!


Thank you so much Scudder  :) I'm happy to hear you had a lovely day  :)

Best wishes and take care  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 16, 2006, 11:31:49 am
Is it my imagination or is it rather quiet round here today?

I'm on a course for the next three days so will only be able to check updates in the evenings. How on earth am I going to cope? I should have weaned myself off gently and not attempted to go cold turkey!

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 16, 2006, 11:41:02 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 16, 2006, 06:46:11 am
You are more than welcome Louise, you are making us so happy with the constant posting of chapters, we are very very lucky.  This story has grabbed hold of me more than I ever thought it would, and I find myself thinking about Ennis and Ellery a lot.  This is a testament to your wonderful writing, your wonderful characters and the love you have created for Ennis and Ellery.

Quote from: yb on October 16, 2006, 07:37:19 am

Louise, it's not just because of sex that LS has captured my heart so deeply, it's the ways you describe the relationship between E&E, their struggles, Ennis's relationship with his daughters and Alma etc that stand out so much to me.


Yes ,  exactly how I feel about the story, I’m just sad that I joined you enthusiastic people here when the saga coming to the end, which is kind of unbelievable at the moment as it absolutely devoured me and made me feel I’m reading never-ending story, and I’m sorry I’m mostly not able catch up chatting with you but I’m enjoying every each of your comment and witty notes and pictures  :-*that make story more alive and Ennis’s and Ellery’s life like more physical  :'( :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 16, 2006, 11:45:00 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 16, 2006, 11:31:49 am
Is it my imagination or is it rather quiet round here today?

I'm on a course for the next three days so will only be able to check updates in the evenings. How on earth am I going to cope? I should have weaned myself off gently and not attempted to go cold turkey!

Karen

I was thinking that Kazza. You dont think Louise has had to, you know, work today do you?  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 16, 2006, 12:05:07 pm
yes! I did have to work!!!  I am on my way home after a rather hellish day!

and happy birthday, Scudder!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 16, 2006, 12:08:09 pm
Was Chapter 38 the most recent one?     ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 16, 2006, 12:10:52 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 16, 2006, 12:08:09 pm
Was Chapter 38 the most recent one?     ???

Yes.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 16, 2006, 12:12:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 16, 2006, 07:10:53 am
yes, Natali is leading the way, foraging into my original stories.  A lot more plot, a lot less getting fancy, but nonetheless no story of mine is completely devoid of sex!  Depending upon which one you choose, of course.  "Princes of the East" is a retelling of the saga of the life and loves of Saheris El Maduc, a fictionalized version of Attila the Hun, who managed to marry 54 women in his lengthy life, and conquer most of Eastern Europe in the process.

You wrote historical fiction, yippee!

I'm crazy into hystory and historical  genre books myself ( still womdering what  spell makes me read about cowboys an bullriders ;) ;D), and more, I'm from conquered ( not any more) region.

Loise, where can I find your works?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 16, 2006, 12:44:55 pm
My completed novels can be found on

www.zebratta.com

Look under Fiction for those books.

For those of you who may possibly be wild about poetry, you may also find 7 of my 19 completed collections of lyric poetry.

Look under Poetry for those books.

And for those who for some odd reason are wondering what I didn't put on my website:

The unfinished sequel to "Princes of the East" (40,000 words worth, which is what I want to finish this winter), is available for anyone who finishes Book 1.

And a new novel I wrote right before I watched "Brokeback Mountain" which is also a work of historical fiction (sorta), entitled "Your Skinny Girl", where a man finds his future buried in the past.  And that is not yet on my website due to lags by my webgirl, who has a LOT to catch up on once she creates the indexes for the Laramie Saga.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 16, 2006, 01:54:34 pm
for those of you who are getting nervous...

I worked late today and am just finishing dinner, but I am in chat and also have begun writing chapter 39.

Never fear... there is more "Red Stallion" on the way.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 16, 2006, 02:14:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 16, 2006, 01:54:34 pm
for those of you who are getting nervous...

I worked late today and am just finishing dinner, but I am in chat and also have begun writing chapter 39.

Never fear... there is more "Red Stallion" on the way.

I have no fear.  I have faith! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 16, 2006, 02:37:06 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/135648.html  "Chapter 39:  A Snowy Monday Morning"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 16, 2006, 04:58:09 pm
Thanks for the update Louise. Sorry you've had a crappy day. Hope it's improved now that you're home. And yes, even though we all champ at the bit waiting for your updates, every one is appreciated, and never taken for granted.


SPOILER


Yay for Reynolds! His attention to detail and by the book methods have paid off. I was very relieved that the morning started off well between Ennis and Ellery. Was worried that there might be some hangover from the incident with Bunny. I adore the little things that Ennis does for Ellery, understated demonstrations of love.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 16, 2006, 05:36:05 pm
things improved a great deal, particularly since a difficult and troublesome situation resolved itself in today's mail and lifted a great financial worry off of my mind.

I am actually feeling quite buoyant right now!

But I didnt get much sleep last night so I am going to bed now.  I am going to try to keep to a one chapter per day schedule during the week so I can focus attention on my job search, moving, and organizing things for my remove from Saarbrücken.

Night everyone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 16, 2006, 05:51:49 pm
Sweet dreams Louise. Hope Hugh pays a visit  ;)

Where are you moving to?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 16, 2006, 06:03:49 pm
That's great news Louise  :)

Night, and I'll second what Karen said - sweeeeet Hugh dreams  ;D

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 16, 2006, 07:48:00 pm

Here's Hugh saying a little prayer just for you Louise.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hj_leno3.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 16, 2006, 08:53:41 pm
Thanks for chapter, I too admire Reynolds's almost artwork wondering if such effort in police documentation  exist in real .

Quote from: louisev on October 16, 2006, 05:36:05 pm
  I am going to try to keep to a one chapter per day schedule during the week so I can focus attention on my job search, moving, and organizing things for my remove from Saarbrücken.

Night everyone!

Good luck with job searching.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 16, 2006, 09:51:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 16, 2006, 05:36:05 pm
things improved a great deal, particularly since a difficult and troublesome situation resolved itself in today's mail and lifted a great financial worry off of my mind.

I am actually feeling quite buoyant right now!

But I didnt get much sleep last night so I am going to bed now.  I am going to try to keep to a one chapter per day schedule during the week so I can focus attention on my job search, moving, and organizing things for my remove from Saarbrücken.

Night everyone!

Louise, good luck with your job search and everything!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 17, 2006, 04:10:47 am
Quote from: Kazza on October 16, 2006, 05:51:49 pm
Sweet dreams Louise. Hope Hugh pays a visit  ;)

Where are you moving to?

Karen

I have no idea where I am moving to!  Probably out of Germany but that is about all I know at the moment!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 17, 2006, 09:38:24 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/135855.html  "Chapter 40:  A Gift And a Memory"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on October 17, 2006, 11:01:17 am
Dear Louise,

wherever you move to, make sure you have a veeery fast internet access..wouldn't want us to go "cold turkey" if you can't upload the Laramie Saga !

 ;)

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 17, 2006, 11:10:59 am
I will try to be sure of that, Caramelle!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 17, 2006, 11:13:33 am
Quote from: TH on October 17, 2006, 10:06:13 am
  SPOILER: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>




  "the ephemeral presence of that unseen other, who seemed to always be nearby, watching and listening" 

  - good line Louise... 

    Sometimes don't ya just get tired of the distances between us and those we love, the 'unseen others'.

  Sometimes, I think, our lives are a symphony of sorrowful songs.

  Sometimes, don't ya wish... that the angels would just break through and take you with them... 

  Hmmmph...  soon enough.. I suppose...  Soon enough.



what a lyric!
 
" I just wish I hadn’t changed too late for you, little darlin."

tears, tears, tears; whenever  you mention "him" Louise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 17, 2006, 11:18:43 am
Quote from: louisev on October 17, 2006, 04:10:47 am
I have no idea where I am moving to!  Probably out of Germany but that is about all I know at the moment!

huh, you seem to be kind of international moving around. Excuse my curiosity, are you German or you just worked there?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 17, 2006, 11:25:55 am
I am working here.  This is my third stint in Germany.  Prior to that I spent 7 years working in Canada.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 17, 2006, 11:30:32 am
Quote from: TH on October 17, 2006, 10:06:13 am
   "the ephemeral presence of that unseen other, who seemed to always be nearby, watching and listening" 

  - good line Louise...      Sometimes don't ya just get tired of the distances between us and those we love, the 'unseen others'.

  Sometimes, I think, our lives are a symphony of sorrowful songs.

Sometimes, that's called the "great cloud of witnesses."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 17, 2006, 12:48:35 pm
<sigh>   I miss Jack too Ennis.   <wipes tears from eyes>   

Thanks Louisev.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 17, 2006, 01:08:10 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 17, 2006, 12:48:35 pm
<sigh>   I miss Jack too Ennis.   <wipes tears from eyes>   

Thanks Louisev.   

Here he is - that ephemeral presence is never far away.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/tfmisc/Jackcradlinglamb2006.jpg)


(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f12/MrGulliver/Lashes2/StJackOfBBMtn4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 17, 2006, 01:11:29 pm



  "the ephemeral presence of that unseen other, who seemed to always be nearby, watching and listening" 


this sends shivers down my spine Louise. *dries her eyes*

beautiful, and so true.

I need a hug right now *sigh*


thank you, once again
Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 17, 2006, 02:26:27 pm
for those who are wondering...

*typity type type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 17, 2006, 02:50:20 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/136093.html  "Chapter 41:  Fallout"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 17, 2006, 03:43:00 pm
Hello! Back from a tough day slaving over the books. My brian aches. ITIL - such joy!

Anyway, two chapters awaiting me. Yipee!  ;D

SPOILERS


I love what Ennis has got for Ellery, discreet, but very symbolic. Did you have to think long and hard about what you wanted the boys to give each other as tokens?

Was happily reading along and then you hit us with the closet scene. Really brought a tear to my eye Louise, honestly. Poor Ennis, in a way it would be easier for him if he could simply leave Jack out of mind - but that's not the Ennis we, or Ellery, know and love.

As always a conversation between Wes and Ellery is an entertaining read. They have such a good rapport. Looks like Ellery may have another opportunity to cross swords with ADA Samuelson.

Oh and I loved this line - "offered Dupree thousands a dollars ta pay off his student loans cause he has pretty hair or somethin.”
 ;D

Hope you're feeling rested today.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 17, 2006, 04:03:32 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 17, 2006, 01:08:10 pm
Here he is - that ephemeral presence is never far away.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/tfmisc/Jackcradlinglamb2006.jpg)



Omg ... that's the exact picture that I have as my desktop background right now.  (I change my wallpaper every couple of days or so AND my Windows startup and shutdown music is The Wings.)

I miss Jack, also.  He was actually my favorite character in the movie.  (I was a wreck at the end in the theater.)   :'(
Y'all may think this weird, but ... I bought the DVD the day it was released ... still haven't opened it.  *sigh*

I'm so glad Ennis still thinks about Jack, even as he moves forward with Ellery.  So heartbreaking that there is still so much regret and sadness, though.  Maybe with time, it will eventually get better, and the loving memories will hurt less and be replaced by fondness.   :(

I'm all *verklempt* today and going back into lurker mode, but I'm so grateful for the Laramie Saga.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 17, 2006, 04:20:42 pm
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/tfmisc/Jackcradlinglamb2006.jpg)

Oh to switch places with that sheep and be held like that in Jakes arms....
 <deep heavy sigh>


PS:  NavyVet,   I also can't watch the movie anymore.   I think I have seen it so many times that Jack is now too real for me.   I think the last time I watched it I turned it off after the Dozy embrace flashback.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 17, 2006, 04:28:23 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 17, 2006, 03:43:00 pm
Hello! Back from a tough day slaving over the books. My brian aches. ITIL - such joy!

Anyway, two chapters awaiting me. Yipee!  ;D

SPOILERS


I love what Ennis has got for Ellery, discreet, but very symbolic. Did you have to think long and hard about what you wanted the boys to give each other as tokens?

 ;D

Hope you're feeling rested today.

Karen

yes.  I spent several nights tossing and turning, realizing that Ennis wanted to get Ellery something that would have an erotic import to it, but knowing he would never dare to buy a sex toy that looked like a sex toy.  (Hence the ping pong paddle - who would question someone buying ping pong paddles?)

I don't want to give away any more on that point right now!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 17, 2006, 04:42:54 pm
Er, folks...

We went over 50,000 views on this thread sometime in the past day!

And in terms of readers, the Laramie Saga Livejournal site has, in 3 weeks' time, 53,000 views, from 7,107 hosts!  That is phenomenal!  Daily readership has been relatively steady:

average of 1700 views per day
average of 275 hosts  per day

Thank you all for showing such interest and love for Ennis, Ellery, and the Laramie Saga stories. I never would have believed a year ago as I started my 8th original novel, that I would have written 6 more by the time fall closed in a year later!  Amazing!




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 17, 2006, 05:47:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 17, 2006, 04:42:54 pm
Er, folks...

We went over 50,000 views on this thread sometime in the past day!

And in terms of readers, the Laramie Saga Livejournal site has, in 3 weeks' time, 53,000 views, from 7,107 hosts!  That is phenomenal!  Daily readership has been relatively steady:

average of 1700 views per day
average of 275 hosts  per day

Thank you all for showing such interest and love for Ennis, Ellery, and the Laramie Saga stories. I never would have believed a year ago as I started my 8th original novel, that I would have written 6 more by the time fall closed in a year later!  Amazing!






This is mind blowin, Louise!! OMG!  AMAZING indeed!

 :)

And we thank YOU Louise for giving us The Laramie Saga  :)   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 17, 2006, 06:07:33 pm
good night everybody...! see you tomorrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 17, 2006, 08:28:21 pm
Here are a coupla coyote keyrings for the gallery.

(http://ims-usa.org/Images/Lazart/co2klf.gif)

(http://www.navajoshop.com/products/2726.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 18, 2006, 01:42:13 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 17, 2006, 05:47:13 pm
And we thank YOU Louise for giving us The Laramie Saga  :)   :)

yes, we do Louise! thank you for all the effort and time you have dedicated to create this amazing story  :)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/lievelouise.jpg)
I like this rose, it's called 'dear Louise'
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 18, 2006, 04:41:30 am
Oh Fabienne, it's beautiful and how sweet is that!  :)

I love roses, as you might have guessed  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 18, 2006, 04:45:33 am
Jo, the keychains are great!

Thanks!  :)

Oh and that sweet adorable pic of Jack is to die for *sigh* I saw it on Wranglers too and immediately copied and saved it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 18, 2006, 08:08:40 am
awww... roses... for MOI?

Update to "The Red Stallion" for all you earlybirds.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/136225.html  "Chapter 42:  A Sheriff's Duties"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 18, 2006, 09:51:07 am
Thanks, Louise.  I sure do appreciate the early bird post.  You have a great story going and I have to check every so often for an update.  You have developed Ennis just as I think he would develope and at the same time you are developing me too.  For this I am very grateful.  Right on, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on October 18, 2006, 10:08:19 am
Quote from: scudder on October 18, 2006, 09:51:07 am
Thanks, Louise.  I sure do appreciate the early bird post.  You have a great story going and I have to check every so often for an update.  You have developed Ennis just as I think he would develope and at the same time you are developing me too.  For this I am very grateful.  Right on, Louise!

My turn: What scudder said. :)

I was going to type a response to the current chapter of the current story, and scudder beat me to it, expressing my exact thoughts, in almost the exact words. So, thanks, scudder.

And as always, thanks, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 18, 2006, 10:08:24 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 17, 2006, 01:08:10 pm
Here he is - that ephemeral presence is never far away.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/tfmisc/Jackcradlinglamb2006.jpg)




Isnt that the most gorgeous picture?  *swoons*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 18, 2006, 10:26:02 am
Quote from: louisev on October 17, 2006, 04:42:54 pm
Er, folks...

We went over 50,000 views on this thread sometime in the past day!

And in terms of readers, the Laramie Saga Livejournal site has, in 3 weeks' time, 53,000 views, from 7,107 hosts!  That is phenomenal!  Daily readership has been relatively steady:

average of 1700 views per day
average of 275 hosts  per day


Thank you all for showing such interest and love for Ennis, Ellery, and the Laramie Saga stories. I never would have believed a year ago as I started my 8th original novel, that I would have written 6 more by the time fall closed in a year later!  Amazing!

(http://www.adalex.ca/adalex/sisi/sham3.gif)

Congratulation Louise!!!

And thanks for another two interesting chapters . 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 18, 2006, 10:32:44 am
Quote from: Bigheart on October 18, 2006, 04:45:33 am
Jo, the keychains are great!


Yes;
The second one is match  for  belt buckle Ellery chose for Ennis isn’t it  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 18, 2006, 10:40:15 am
I really enjoy all the love guys. Truly.

Now here is what is interesting: when I wrote the sections in "Long Way Home" about Ennis being attracted to Clint Eastwood I had not really made a conscious connection between the young Clint Eastwood and his appearance similarity to Hugh Jackman. I just posted in the Hugh Hugh Hugh thread that Hugh got a chance to mention this to Clint Eastwood when he met him, that his fans had commented on the similarity between his appearance and Clint's when Clint was starring in "Beguiled."  Did Ennis fall in love with Ellery because he looked like Clint Eastwood???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on October 18, 2006, 10:58:41 am
Quote from: louisev on October 18, 2006, 10:40:15 am
I really enjoy all the love guys. Truly.

Now here is what is interesting: when I wrote the sections in "Long Way Home" about Ennis being attracted to Clint Eastwood I had not really made a conscious connection between the young Clint Eastwood and his appearance similarity to Hugh Jackman. I just posted in the Hugh Hugh Hugh thread that Hugh got a chance to mention this to Clint Eastwood when he met him, that his fans had commented on the similarity between his appearance and Clint's when Clint was starring in "Beguiled."  Did Ennis fall in love with Ellery because he looked like Clint Eastwood???

Or was it the other way around? Did Ennis's attraction to Clint Eastwood increase because he looked like Ellery? (heheh)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 18, 2006, 11:19:31 am
Quote from: pastorfred on October 18, 2006, 10:58:41 am
Or was it the other way around? Did Ennis's attraction to Clint Eastwood increase because he looked like Ellery? (heheh)


 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 18, 2006, 02:49:46 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/136685.html  "Chapter 43: Barflies"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 18, 2006, 03:12:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 18, 2006, 02:49:46 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/136685.html  "Chapter 43: Barflies"

******SPOILER*******
Great cliffhanger Loiuse! That video story just doesn't go away! :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 18, 2006, 03:26:32 pm
what? you thought it was going to go away?

Hahahahaha!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 18, 2006, 03:39:24 pm
Here's Ennis finding the camera in the cupboard.


(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/035045900.jpg)

I know it was Ellery really, just an excuse to post this lovely pic :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 18, 2006, 04:38:08 pm
It's gorgeous Kate!

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 18, 2006, 04:42:10 pm
I am surprized that Dupree didn't take the tape home to ....um,   ... preview it.    : ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 18, 2006, 05:20:47 pm
 I am sure he didn't dare!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 18, 2006, 05:25:23 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 18, 2006, 05:20:47 pm
I am sure he didn't dare!

Dupree's just a real good boy, I guess!!  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 18, 2006, 05:38:17 pm
Quote from: katecaton on October 18, 2006, 03:39:24 pm

I know it was Ellery really, just an excuse to post this lovely pic :-*

Well, then, I, for one, just adore excuses!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 18, 2006, 05:43:03 pm
Lovely - two more chapters!  ;D

SPOILER




Err... so is there a chance that Dupree is going to show this tape to Ellery, and that Ellery is going to see Beagle getting his jollies?


Oh no.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 18, 2006, 05:49:01 pm
please nobody panic...

I have to go out to the dentist (long long drive) tomorrow to get a retainer fitted, and then I am dropping off the stand for my piano and going to hang around with my friend Jane who is going to help me with my cleaning and moving at the end of the month. I may not be home till middle of the evening, and there may...

not be a chapter tomorrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 18, 2006, 06:02:46 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 18, 2006, 05:49:01 pm
please nobody panic...

I have to go out to the dentist (long long drive) tomorrow to get a retainer fitted, and then I am dropping off the stand for my piano and going to hang around with my friend Jane who is going to help me with my cleaning and moving at the end of the month. I may not be home till middle of the evening, and there may...

not be a chapter tomorrow!

GASP!!!!!!!

PANIC!  MASS HYSTERIA!  ROCKS FALL!  EVERYONE DIES!

Ahem.  We'll try and surrive.  But it'll be hard!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 18, 2006, 06:11:30 pm
Louise - good luck at the dentist. Hope it's pain free.

I've got an exam tomorrow, so won't be around to pester you for updates  ;)

Friday is another matter though  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 18, 2006, 06:13:00 pm
Quote from: MadLori on October 18, 2006, 06:02:46 pm
GASP!!!!!!!

PANIC!  MASS HYSTERIA!  ROCKS FALL!  EVERYONE DIES!

Ahem.  We'll try and surrive.  But it'll be hard!

LOL! This is hilarious!  ;D

It'll be damn hard! F'sure!  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 18, 2006, 06:27:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 18, 2006, 05:49:01 pm

I have to go out to the dentist (long long drive) tomorrow to get a retainer fitted, and then I am dropping off the stand for my piano and going to hang around with my friend Jane who is going to help me with my cleaning and moving at the end of the month.

Well, that just doesn't sound very fun atall, Louise.  Good luck at the dentist AND with the whole moving thing.  *hugs*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 18, 2006, 10:39:54 pm
Y'all have been busy here! I have been missing in action here lately and I am behind in my reading ..
That means about 10 chapters to read all in one go!  Yay.
Thanks for the updates Louise!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 19, 2006, 01:52:48 am
Perhaps it's just me, I'm getting impatient with Dupree.  When Ellery told him about his rib and asked him not to tell Lauren, he told Lauren about it as soon as he got off the phone with Ellery.  Now, he asked Wayne to bring back the tape then he immediately told Lauren about Wayne having possession of it.  I had an uncomfortable feeling about him after the first incident, but I just became skeptical about his true identity after this second one.  It's not that I don't like him, but I just don't trust him as before.  :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 19, 2006, 04:44:01 am
Quote from: louisev on October 18, 2006, 05:49:01 pm
please nobody panic...

I have to go out to the dentist (long long drive) tomorrow to get a retainer fitted, and then I am dropping off the stand for my piano and going to hang around with my friend Jane who is going to help me with my cleaning and moving at the end of the month. I may not be home till middle of the evening, and there may...

not be a chapter tomorrow!

Thank you for the warning Louise, you are too kind to us. Enjoy your day off! :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 19, 2006, 05:43:13 am
ok ok so maybe I'm exaggerating...

My appointment today IS pain free, fortunately.  Since I had this bridgework stuff undertaken my life has been remarkably free of my lifelong plague of dental pain, except for this recent ... root thing, which I have to say had to have been the very worst medical problem of my life, bar none.

I will be back later this afternoon/evening so I'm not going anywhere particular... it's just that my logistics are bad today.  In the meantime, enjoy the Hugh Hugh Hugh! thread!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 19, 2006, 06:31:33 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/Hugh187.jpg)

God - where's that new decaf?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 19, 2006, 06:48:00 am
So did Y'all watch Hugh on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno?

I did and boy was I disappointed.    He just seems to be so........not Ellery.  :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 19, 2006, 06:57:41 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 19, 2006, 06:48:00 am
So did Y'all watch Hugh on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno?

I did and boy was I disappointed.    He just seems to be so........not Ellery.  :-\

What do you mean? He's Ellery only when he has long hair .This is Hugh as Ellery ;D.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/x2pre8.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hj_leno2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 19, 2006, 07:15:10 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 19, 2006, 06:48:00 am
So did Y'all watch Hugh on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno?

I did and boy was I disappointed.    He just seems to be so........not Ellery.  :-\

In what way, David? I never watch the Tonight show so give us a recap, please?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 19, 2006, 07:15:35 am
No, I don't mean about the hair.   I can even imagine Ellery with short hair.    The 1980s was the "big hair" decade, but eventually people did go back to the short clean cut look.   OMG can you see Wes falling off his chair if Ellery walked into the Sheriffs office with a regulation haircut?   LOL

   No, the real Hugh just was so unlike Ellery in every way.  Aussie accent,  typical straight guy behavior and I was having trouble imagining him turning all that off and then transforming into Ellery in the future major motion picture with Heath.   ;D

  LouiseV has just written the Ellery character so vividly that he has developed a personality all his own.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 19, 2006, 07:17:39 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 19, 2006, 07:15:35 am

   No, the real Hugh just was so unlike Ellery in every way.  Aussie accent,  typical straight guy behavior and I was having trouble imagining him turning all that off and then transforming into Ellery in the future major picture with Heath.   ;D

Describe "typical straight guy behavior." Jo was saying the other day (in chat) that there are rumors about his sexuality...that his wife is a beard, etc. It is probably because of his role in "The Boy From Oz." But I am curious what you saw on the show that defined him as not gay to you.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 19, 2006, 07:29:34 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 19, 2006, 07:15:35 am
No, I don't mean about the hair.   I can even imagine Ellery with short hair.    The 1980s was the "big hair" decade, but eventually people did go back to the short clean cut look.   OMG can you see Wes falling off his chair if Ellery walked into the Sheriffs office with a regulation haircut?   LOL

   No, the real Hugh just was so unlike Ellery in every way.  Aussie accent,  typical straight guy behavior and I was having trouble imagining him turning all that off and then transforming into Ellery in the future major motion picture with Heath.   ;D

  LouiseV has just written the Ellery character so vividly that he has developed a personality all his own.   

I understand your point. I haven't seen much of Hugh other than in pictures. He isn't that popular in Spain but I once saw a clip of an interview with him on your tube and noticed his voice is not as Louise described Ellery's voice. It's not that deep. I told Louise once that when I read the chapters I don't picture Ellery as copy of Hugh, but as a man who looks like Hugh Jackman, but it's not quite him. I picture Ellery with a sweet smile like Hugh's, but much thinner and lankier, and darker hair. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 19, 2006, 07:37:31 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 19, 2006, 07:17:39 am
Describe "typical straight guy behavior." Jo was saying the other day (in chat) that there are rumors about his sexuality...that his wife is a beard, etc. It is probably because of his role in "The Boy From Oz." But I am curious what you saw on the show that defined him as not gay to you.

L

Some of us have "GayDar".  But we also have "StraightDar" so to speak.     I didn't get any gay vibes from him.   But maybe I'm being too judgemental.   It was a short interview.   

We all must realize that we cannot interpet an actors personailty from the movies he makes.    I was very impressed with Hugh in the X-men movies.   I could then easily see him as Ellery.  But after watching him joke around with Jay Leno and constantly talk about his kids it just totally screamed "I'm not gay" to me.     Not that there is anything wrong with that.   <insert Seinfeld pun here>   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 19, 2006, 07:41:50 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 19, 2006, 07:37:31 am
Some of us have "GayDar".  But we also have "StraightDar" so to speak.     I didn't get any gay vibes from him.   But maybe I'm being too judgemental.   It was a short interview.   

We all must realize that we cannot interpet an actors personailty from the movies he makes.    I was very impressed with Hugh in the X-men movies.   I could then easily see him as Ellery.  But after watching him joke around with Jay Leno and constantly talk about his kids it just totally screamed "I'm not gay" to me.     Not that there is anything wrong with that.   <insert Seinfeld pun here>   ::)

This is interesting. Louise told us in the chat that she read about some man who worked with Hugh in the Broadway show about Peter Allen, and thought Hugh was "a relentless heterosexual" or something like that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 19, 2006, 07:49:49 am
Yeah,  sometimes guys tend to say "my wife" this or that way to much.  Almost as if to proclaim to the world their heterosexuality.

My best friend often does that.   I once stopped him and said:"why don't you just say Sarah?  I know her name!  I was at the Wedding remember?  Duh!"

He then, paused, then said, "sorry, just a habit I have from talking to coworkers."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 19, 2006, 08:38:31 am
Interesting. I tend to do the same thing, ie, say "my husband," not Tony. Not sure why, but I do remember that I was probably married for a good two years before I was totally comfortable with saying "my husband."

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 19, 2006, 11:06:21 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 19, 2006, 08:38:31 am
Interesting. I tend to do the same thing, ie, say "my husband," not Tony. Not sure why, but I do remember that I was probably married for a good two years before I was totally comfortable with saying "my husband."

Leslie

I think that is understandable when you are talking to people who don't know that Tony is your husbands name.   For example, a coworkers says: "Do you know anyone afraid of spiders?"   Reply: "OMG!  my husband hates them!"

But,  if your best friend says: "How was your weekend?"

Reply: "Great! Tony and I took a drive to see the fall foliage". 

See the difference?     ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 19, 2006, 11:31:26 am
Quote from: opinionista on October 19, 2006, 07:29:34 am
I told Louise once that when I read the chapters I don't picture Ellery as copy of Hugh, but as a man who looks like Hugh Jackman, but it's not quite him. I picture Ellery with a sweet smile like Hugh's, but much thinner and lankier, and darker hair. 

The same thing with me  :),
 that’s the privilege of reading compare to watching movie, we can picture whoever we want. Immediately after I started to read about Ellery I have image of Tony Flanagan in mind and despite all those nice   and sexy pictures of Hugh  it doesn’t want to disappear ( he fits for me  as Ellery submissive character ).

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 19, 2006, 12:37:58 pm
ok guys, just stopping by to say I am going out to dinner and... won't be home till late.  So... don#t look for an update till tomorrow.

Yes... Hugh does talk about his wife an AWFUL lot... and I think that's to discourage women!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 19, 2006, 04:33:47 pm
One thing to bear in mind is that when I first conceived Ellery, back oh, 600,000 words ago, I had in my mind the young John Carradine, before he got wrinkled and creased and gray.  Then I settled on his son Keith Carradine as the next best thing, from his album cover from when he was in  his early 30's.  By the time Dee came along with the breathtaking alternative of Hugh Jackman, the bass speaking voice, the extremely skinny physique, the 6 foot 3 height, grey eyes and long black hair were already locked in.  Nothing that Hugh can't pull off most of that (with the exception of the voice) but he was really quite a good alternate from my standpoint.  I often gaze at long-haired pictures and frown pictures of Hugh when I am anticipating writing Ellery dialogue and it helps me to focus.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 19, 2006, 05:01:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 19, 2006, 12:37:58 pm
Yes... Hugh does talk about his wife an AWFUL lot... and I think that's to discourage women!

I think it's more than that. His wife is also an actress but not as popular as he is. I think he is giving her some publicity.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 19, 2006, 05:27:51 pm
When Hugh got his first role playing opposite her on televsion, she was quite popular as the lead in a TV series.  But then his career really took off.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 19, 2006, 05:28:47 pm
okay i am typity type typing people.
I didn't want to mar my unbroken record by letting a day go by without writing a chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 19, 2006, 05:45:47 pm
My record is still intact.

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/136865.html  "Chapter 44:  A Few Interruptions"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 19, 2006, 06:00:24 pm
 ;D  Thank you Louise---made my otherwise rotten day a very much better evening with the newest update.



now what is Dupree going to say????????  Always anticipating the next one!! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 19, 2006, 06:11:54 pm
I am a little too tired from driving to stay up much longer, but there will be another update tomorrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 19, 2006, 06:46:33 pm
SPOILERS

Quote from: louisev on October 19, 2006, 05:45:47 pm
My record is still intact.

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/136865.html  "Chapter 44:  A Few Interruptions"

Wayne is a fool. Ellery could definitely use an answering machine. They existed in the 1980's didn't they? That way he can screen Wayne's annoying phone calls. Thanks Louise, for the chapter, I wasn't expecting it!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 19, 2006, 08:48:10 pm
When do we close the Jeeves poll Leslie? 
Did everyone vote already?  There are 17 votes so far! And Rupert is leading!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 05:06:11 am
yes, I think Rupert Everett took the lead in the Jeeves poll.

I am amazed at all of the possibilities you guys came up with concerning the videotape! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 20, 2006, 05:19:12 am
Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) Well no updates for me for a while, I,m going away for a week tomorow. How am I going to survive? :'( :'( :'( :'(  Oh well, at least I,ll have plenty to read when I get back. Be good guys and have fun..see you in a week. :) :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 05:55:33 am
awww souxi, how are we going to live without you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 20, 2006, 06:15:05 am
Quote from: souxi on October 20, 2006, 05:19:12 am
Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) Well no updates for me for a while, I,m going away for a week tomorow. How am I going to survive? :'( :'( :'( :'(  Oh well, at least I,ll have plenty to read when I get back. Be good guys and have fun..see you in a week. :) :) :)

Bye bye Souxi, have a lovely time (off for half-term holiday, I assume?).   I will miss your posts and your naughty grins.....but just think, of all the wonderful LS chapters you will be able to read in one go when you get back!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 20, 2006, 06:26:27 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 20, 2006, 06:15:05 am
Bye bye Souxi, have a lovely time (off for half-term holiday, I assume?).   I will miss your posts and your naughty grins.....but just think, of all the wonderful LS chapters you will be able to read in one go when you get back!


Awwwwwww thank you Christie. :) Yes your quite right, half term hols. I like going away at this time of the year strangely enough, it,s quieter. Must be my ages lol. Anyway, off to do some packing. tc all.byeexxxxxxxxxxx :) :) :) :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 20, 2006, 06:36:14 am
Quote from: Lucise on October 19, 2006, 08:48:10 pm
When do we close the Jeeves poll Leslie? 
Did everyone vote already?  There are 17 votes so far! And Rupert is leading!  ;)

17 votes? That's all? C'mon folks, get voting. I'll leave the poll up for another day or so. It is over in the Polling Place.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 20, 2006, 07:44:28 am
Louise, you snuck in a chapter when we weren't expecting it. Was nice having an unexpected fix. Yes, it's true, I am an unashamed Laramie Saga junkie.  ;D

And to think I avoided it at first because it was a post Jack story.

SPOILER



Oh dear. Ellery is going to have to view that tape now. And we all know what's on there (or should that we who). What kind of reaction will he have to seeing Bruce with Rudy?

Oh dear. Just as the boys were leading up to exchanging their love tokens. Then again, perhaps that will have happened before Ellery sees the tape.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 07:52:25 am
and... another update, ha HA!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/137133.html  "Chapter 45:  A Conspiracy"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 20, 2006, 08:08:53 am
wow, this video thing is just getting more complicated!


SPOILER



Wayne really is a bad boy!
oh and Dupree is absolutely right about Jeeves. He really is 'full of shit'. I mean 'desirous condition', 'bedding your girl down' and 'the protoplasmic' impact the tape might have on Ellery?  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:


excellent chapter louise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 20, 2006, 08:45:37 am
SPOILER

Quote from: louisev on October 20, 2006, 07:52:25 am
and... another update, ha HA!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/137133.html  "Chapter 45:  A Conspiracy"

Excellent chapter. It was hilarious! Wayne is definitely a good hearted bad boy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 20, 2006, 09:17:06 am
Chapter 45 Spoiler!




.......The boys are right.   Ellery does NOT need to see Bruce Eagleton & Rudy on that tape!    That'll push him right over the edge and jeapardize his relationship with Ennis.     Switching tapes would have been the wise thing to do.   Erasing part of the tape will only lead to suspicions as to what was there.   And Ellery would go to great lengths to find out.   

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 20, 2006, 09:23:35 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 20, 2006, 09:17:06 am
Chapter 45 Spoiler!




.......The boys are right.   Ellery does NOT need to see Bruce Eagleton & Rudy on that tape!    That'll push him right over the edge and jeapardize his relationship with Ennis.     Switching tapes would have been the wise thing to do.   Erasing part of the tape will only lead to suspicions as to what was there.   And Ellery would go to great lengths to find out.   



You are so right. He is a detective after all.

However, I think that Dupree should have stuck to his guns. However upset Ellery might have been about the content of the tape, I think that he will be furious if he finds out part of it was wiped to hide the content from him.

Ooo... interested to see where this one leads. Louise, you do love to keep us guessing.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 09:29:52 am
okay.... I admit it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 10:27:16 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/137368.html "Chapter 46:  Endearments"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 20, 2006, 10:27:46 am
Quote from: souxi on October 20, 2006, 05:19:12 am
Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) Well no updates for me for a while, I,m going away for a week tomorow. How am I going to survive? :'( :'( :'( :'(  Oh well, at least I,ll have plenty to read when I get back. Be good guys and have fun..see you in a week. :) :) :)

Hiya Souxi darlin  ;) I just got on and don't have much time right now but I wanted to wish you a great holiday!

Will miss you!  :'(  :'(

 ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 20, 2006, 10:35:15 am
Quote from: louisev on October 20, 2006, 10:27:16 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/137368.html "Chapter 46:  Endearments"

GAH!  Can't anyone in this whole freaking town EXIST for more than an hour without having to call Ellery on the phone or come banging on his door???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 20, 2006, 10:48:21 am
Quote from: MadLori on October 20, 2006, 10:35:15 am
GAH!  Can't anyone in this whole freaking town EXIST for more than an hour without having to call Ellery on the phone or come banging on his door???

It's gotten better, actually. There was a time if he got far enough through dinner without a phone call, Ellery would leap up and call someone...LOL

L

PS, Lori...go post the pretzel/rolo/pecan snackies recipe over on the Holiday Recipes thread that Marge_Innavera started (on Anything Goes). Yum!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 20, 2006, 10:50:43 am
Quote from: louisev on October 20, 2006, 10:27:16 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/137368.html "Chapter 46:  Endearments"

Oh my word! Got quite some mental images going on here! Thank you Louise!  ;D

Methinks that Ellery should have given Dupree time to finish what he was trying to say.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 20, 2006, 11:09:41 am
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 I don't think they should erase the tape, I don't think Jeremy should have let some sleasy bar flies dictate against what he knows is right.  Lying to Ellery will NOT help anything and will destroy trust.
Lauren isn't helping either.

Ellery already knows that Beagle was with Rudy, he may not like it, but  he has already faced that demon and now that Beagle is no longer calling him or close---he has already talked it through with Ennis and cried about it-I can't see this having any real affect on his relationship with Ennis--he can handle the tape without erasures---he is going to go ballistic when he finds out that it has been tampered with, a whole lot worse than seeing Beagle in my opinion.

Jeremy is playing with fire, and he should have bagged and tagged as is---I am hoping he changes his mind and that is what he does in the end.

AND if that copy Wayne made ever surfaces, he can kiss his bar priviledges goodbye, he really is a slease ball. YYEEWWW!!! And I never liked Gene.    I wanted to like Chas, but now am not so sure.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 11:15:50 am
you made me crack up, Lori.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 20, 2006, 11:41:38 am
Quote from: louisev on October 20, 2006, 11:15:50 am
you made me crack up, Lori.

Well, STOP IT.  No laughing.  Writing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 12:27:08 pm
what, do you guys get behind like, for 10 seconds or something?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 20, 2006, 02:10:49 pm
Chapter 46...a sort of spoiler....

Have fun, Ennis!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/august05leb_img_6.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 02:37:35 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/137536.html  "Chapter 47:  Coyote Interruptus"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 20, 2006, 02:55:17 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 20, 2006, 02:10:49 pm
Chapter 46...a sort of spoiler....

Have fun, Ennis!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/august05leb_img_6.jpg)


Heeee! This is great Leslie! Now all we need is a pic of them handcuffs!  ;D

This role playin is super hot, Louise! Whew! I loved it  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 20, 2006, 04:30:01 pm
SPOILER

Oh my word. That chapter had everything.

Some hot lovin'. Interuptions (naturally). Some comedy (I always find angry sarcastic Ellery amusing), and then angst when Dupree revealed who was on the tape.

OK - a couple of questions.

Why on earth didn't Dupree just hang on until the following day to speak to Ellery - the tape wasn't going anywhere?

And, the million dollar question - will Ellery watch the tape. I mean, he doesn't have to does he? Not for the investgation or anything.

As always, beathlessly awaiting...

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 04:35:52 pm
Very good question, Karen...

Dupree felt pressured by the boys at the Red Stallion, and uneasy about having seen Beagle on the tape, and felt like he had to "unload", to come clean with Ellery, and even more importantly, to get the tape out of his hands and into Ellery's hands because he felt like he was holding onto a ticking bomb.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 20, 2006, 04:41:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 20, 2006, 04:35:52 pm

Dupree felt pressured by the boys at the Red Stallion, and uneasy about having seen Beagle on the tape, and felt like he had to "unload", to come clean with Ellery, and even more importantly, to get the tape out of his hands and into Ellery's hands because he felt like he was holding onto a ticking bomb.


let's hope that that's not what the video will turn out to be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 20, 2006, 04:43:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 20, 2006, 04:35:52 pm
Very good question, Karen...

Dupree felt pressured by the boys at the Red Stallion, and uneasy about having seen Beagle on the tape, and felt like he had to "unload", to come clean with Ellery, and even more importantly, to get the tape out of his hands and into Ellery's hands because he felt like he was holding onto a ticking bomb.

You're right, guess he just wanted to get shot of it. It was getting a bit too hot to handle.

I notice that you didn't answer my 2nd question.  ;)  Not that I expected you give anything away. Oh no - just wondering I was.

Mmmm... there's a few ways that this could go. Common sense would tell you that watching a former love having sex with someone else is a far from good idea. However, human nature being what it is... well...

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 20, 2006, 04:44:07 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 20, 2006, 04:30:01 pm
SPOILER

Oh my word. That chapter had everything.

Some hot lovin'. Interuptions (naturally). Some comedy (I always find angry sarcastic Ellery amusing), and then angst when Dupree revealed who was on the tape.

OK - a couple of questions.

Why on earth didn't Dupree just hang on until the following day to speak to Ellery - the tape wasn't going anywhere?

And, the million dollar question - will Ellery watch the tape. I mean, he doesn't have to does he? Not for the investgation or anything.

As always, beathlessly awaiting...

Karen

Karen I second everything you said.  Great chapter, but dont understand why Dupree had to go and knock on Ellerys done when he'd been told not to.  No wonder Ellery was mad, I would have been too.  And being left handcuffed to the bed too....damn it Ennis, I wouldnt do that again if I were you!!!!!  I mean once you can forgive but twice?

And i dont get why everyone is worried about Ellery watching the tape with Beagle on it?  I mean, he's over him, isnt he? Why would seeing him with someone else send him over the edger? Or am I missing the point and/or being completely cold and heartless?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 04:46:02 pm
no I didn't answer the second question!  Stay tuned!  Soon you will know the answer!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 20, 2006, 05:01:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 20, 2006, 04:46:02 pm
no I didn't answer the second question!  Stay tuned!  Soon you will know the answer!

Tease  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2006, 05:15:42 pm
you dont REALLY want to know what happens, do you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 20, 2006, 05:35:34 pm
Of course not. Not until it comes perfectly packaged in the next chapter.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 20, 2006, 05:59:09 pm
I can't read all the posts in here because there are spoilers and I am still not caught up yet.  :-\
I am looking forward to catching up this weekend, maybe if I feel inspired, I'll do some fanart ..

Lori - Nice new avatar!  Cute picture!

Hurray for Rupert leading the Jeeves poll!

~  8) M.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 20, 2006, 06:05:04 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 20, 2006, 05:59:09 pm
maybe if I feel inspired, I'll do some fanart ..



I'd love that Milli. Looking forward to it  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 20, 2006, 06:44:56 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 20, 2006, 05:59:09 pm
I can't read all the posts in here because there are spoilers and I am still not caught up yet.  :-\
I am looking forward to catching up this weekend, maybe if I feel inspired, I'll do some fanart ..

Lori - Nice new avatar!  Cute picture!

Hurray for Rupert leading the Jeeves poll!

~  8) M.

Lucise,  Rupert played a British lord in An Ideal Husband.  He was everything Jeeves would be.  Cate Blanchett, Minnie Driver and Julianne Moore were also in it.  Keep up the great art work.  It adds greatly to the fun of the story.

Peace,  Homer
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 20, 2006, 06:53:52 pm
Hey Homer!

Thanks!  :)
I loved An Ideal Husband and Rupert was great in it!  I also saw him on PBS a few months back as Sherlock Holmes .. he was damn good in that too.  He is the 'Jeeves' in my head for sure.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on October 20, 2006, 08:44:03 pm
RL has been keeping me away from Bettermost lately.  *Growl*  I have just barely had time to keep up with my favorite fics.  Just wanted to check in and say "hi", and say that I am still loving Ennis and Ellery.  This videotape thing is driving me nuts!  I hope we learn more soon!  I love this thread tons, so I hate to miss any posts, but I think I am a hundred pages behind! :( I hope to be able to do some serious reading soon!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 20, 2006, 09:40:47 pm
I loved the title of the last chapter!! What a wonderful play on words!!

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I am wondering HOW exactly Ennis is going to explain leaving Ellery cuffed---and how he is going to apologize for it.   I also think that is most of the reason Ellery unloaded on Dupree---I think all that worry/fright adrenaline of possibly getting caught literally with his pants down, and no way to be able to pull them up--got him going, and Dupree got what he would have given Ennis--considering Ennis told him he would never leave him trussed up again like that due to interuptions.   sex play like they are doing requires trust, and Ennis is not living up to his end of the bargain.  I would hate to see Ellery not want to play anymore cause he can't trust Ennis to stay there and take care of him first.

Dupree may have been wrong to come over after Ellery told him about the romantic moment--but I think Ellery being nasty was mostly left over fright response.   Hope he got it out of his system and will be able to talk about it without yelling too much at Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 20, 2006, 09:44:57 pm
SPOILER












I think Ennis was fixated on the fact that his own clothes were in the other room and he had to leave the bedroom to get dressed. Since he was then half way to the front door he was tempted to answer it. This probably won't wash with Ellery though.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 20, 2006, 10:31:15 pm
Spoiler;.......

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Well Ennis wanting to be dressed is nice, but Ellery didn't even have the opportunity to cover up.
The only thing that gets me is Don't they have a dresser with a couple changes of clothes in the bedroom???  I mean, clean or dirty who doesn't have SOME clothes in the bedroom, just cause they may not be the clothes he took off before they got fancy.  LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 20, 2006, 10:52:24 pm
Nip and F**k

Ennis and Ellery love to play
some naughty games in bed
Ellery never knows what’s coming
Ennis keeps their sex life humming
with things he dreams up in his head

It’s a rollercoaster ride
With thrills and spills on either side
Facing upwards, downwards sideways
Ennis does him every whichways
El can’t even catch his breath
as Ennis f**ks him half to death

As Ennis mucks out mares each day
he dreams up new exciting ways
to play with toys and various props
and naughty roles like sexy cops
No matter what the aim is clear
To get his c**k up Ellery’s rear!

Then in one game of nip and f**k
E and E ran out of luck
The handcuffs slipped
and Ennis nipped
a tender area that he’d whipped
Ellery yelled out loud and bucked
expelling Ennis who then slipped
and sprained his cock – their sex life f**ked!

While Ennis nursed his injured d**k
and Ellery called in feeling sick
They drowned their sorrows drinking scotch
all the while both keeping watch
for signs of life in Ennis’ pr**k!



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 20, 2006, 11:28:36 pm
Re:  Nip and F**k

Oh, that was outstanding - what a gift you have!

Really got a kick out of it.   ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on October 21, 2006, 02:08:54 am
No matter what the aim is clear
To get his c**k up Ellery’s rear!
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

What a great poem!  Thanks for my best laugh of the day.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 21, 2006, 02:33:09 am
mm, great poem as always.  Thanks for these hilarious peoms.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 21, 2006, 02:37:09 am
I've been thinking ... to even things up, next time Ellery should insist that Ennis be bottom, handcuffed and wearing only cowboy hat and boots  - plus maybe his buckle on a new belt.

Ellery could pretend he is the sheriff of Wild West Laramie rounding up the aptly named Wild Bill Hickock (maybe renamed Wild Ennis Hickock!) and throwing him into the caboose.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 21, 2006, 03:54:33 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 21, 2006, 02:37:09 am
I've been thinking ... to even things up, next time Ellery should insist that Ennis be bottom, handcuffed and wearing only cowboy hat and boots  - plus maybe his buckle on a new belt.

Ellery could pretend he is the sheriff of Wild West Laramie rounding up the aptly named Wild Bill Hickock (maybe renamed Wild Ennis Hickock!) and throwing him into the caboose.

Ooooh, I like this!  ;D

And I absolutely love that poem, as always. A GREAT start to my day  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 21, 2006, 04:30:38 am
Quote from: ranchgal on October 20, 2006, 09:40:47 pm

I am wondering HOW exactly Ennis is going to explain leaving Ellery cuffed---and how he is going to apologize for it.   I also think that is most of the reason Ellery unloaded on Dupree---I think all that worry/fright adrenaline of possibly getting caught literally with his pants down, and no way to be able to pull them up--got him going, and Dupree got what he would have given Ennis--considering Ennis told him he would never leave him trussed up again like that due to interuptions.   sex play like they are doing requires trust, and Ennis is not living up to his end of the bargain.  I would hate to see Ellery not want to play anymore cause he can't trust Ennis to stay there and take care of him first.


I think that you're totally right there. Ellery must have extremely vunerable and exposed, and Dupree bore the brunt of that. It is a trust thing as you said. Also, Ellery admitted he has a temper when he was telling Ennis about his less attractive traits.

Now to add to that he's been confronted with that video tape. Ellery must be feeling a bit knocked off course right now.

Ennis has a lot of making up to do, and support to provide methinks. Hope it hasn't spoiled their exchange of tokens. Because that was lovely.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 21, 2006, 05:44:04 am
Oh wow. I am sure none of you are surprised after yesterday's chapter that there was a 20 day record in traffic on the Laramie Saga website yesterday! Quite unusual for a Friday, too.


spoilers...!




I got a mailbox full of wonderful LJ comments and you guys I think understand my characters better than I do!  And got it exactly right - Ennis in his rush to a) go get his clothes and b) go punch Wayne - completely lost track of his obligation to unlock the handcuffs.  And Ellery, having spent a very frustrating several minutes trying to get the key to unlock himself, completely lost his temper and aimed it at the source of the interruption.    And there was a very very insightful comment about the tension between Ellery and Dupree due to Ellery's failure to understand or appreciate Dupree's "gay friendly" orientation, making Ellery disposed to being a lot less patient with Dupree than he was before he was confronted with it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 21, 2006, 06:31:46 am
Quote from: ranchgal on October 20, 2006, 09:40:47 pm
I loved the title of the last chapter!! What a wonderful play on words!!

Spoilers..........

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I am wondering HOW exactly Ennis is going to explain leaving Ellery cuffed---and how he is going to apologize for it.   I also think that is most of the reason Ellery unloaded on Dupree---I think all that worry/fright adrenaline of possibly getting caught literally with his pants down, and no way to be able to pull them up--got him going, and Dupree got what he would have given Ennis--considering Ennis told him he would never leave him trussed up again like that due to interuptions.   sex play like they are doing requires trust, and Ennis is not living up to his end of the bargain.  I would hate to see Ellery not want to play anymore cause he can't trust Ennis to stay there and take care of him first.

Dupree may have been wrong to come over after Ellery told him about the romantic moment--but I think Ellery being nasty was mostly left over fright response.   Hope he got it out of his system and will be able to talk about it without yelling too much at Ennis.

I agree with Ranchgal. Ennis has to realize that is dangerous to leave someone tied up to a bed naked, especially a police officer. He should at least leave the keys to the cuffs at reaching distance. IMO he has no excuse whatsoever for what he's done even if it wasn't on purpose. I'd be very mad at him too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 21, 2006, 08:19:45 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/137899.html  "Chapter 48:  A Couple of Favors"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 21, 2006, 09:41:26 am
Spoiler












I agree that Ennis was in the wrong to leave the room while Ellery was still shackled - especially since Ellery had asked him to promise never to do that the last time it happened. I think that Ellery's anxiety has to  do with feeling abandoned in a helpless state rather than fear that he would be intruded upon.

After all nobody is going to barge into a house and then uninvited open a closed bedroom door and walk in - especially with Ennis standing in the way!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 21, 2006, 09:42:45 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/138183.html  "Chapter 49:  Lance"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 21, 2006, 10:12:10 am
Spoiler





I really like these 2 chapters very much, having Ennis watched the tape is the best solution.  Now, I wonder if Ellery would tell Ennis Francine had seen Lance and Sergio in the apartment.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 21, 2006, 10:54:13 am
SPOILER



I really liked those chapters Louise. I was worried that Ellery was going to go ballistic at Ennis, but they seem to have resolved the trust issue relatively calmly. I don't think Ennis will let something like that happen again. I certainly hope not.

I like the way that you've brought the similarity of Ellery (physically portryed by Hugh Jackman) to Clint Eastwood into the story.  :)

So, is Ennis sitting traumatised at home after having to watch a tape of men that he knows having sex with each other? I mean, apart from the dodgy tape that Bill left behind he's not been exposed to anything of that nature before has he? I'm curious as to what his reaction was. Did he find it arousing, and did this make him feel guilty, or was he simply an unfazed observer?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 21, 2006, 10:59:57 am
good question Karen, as  always.

And as usual... I won't be answering that one!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 21, 2006, 11:09:48 am
 ;D

Ah, Louise I know that you won't. Everything that we need to know is contained within your updates.

I just can't help these questions that flit through my brain, and this is the only forum I have to express them. I have thought about accosting random strangers in the street and discussing the story arc with them, but I might end up in a bouncy room.

It just struck me on this particular occasion that this was something way out of Ennis range of experience, and he seemed to agree quite easily when Ellery asked him (out of love no doubt).

All will be revealed I'm sure.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 21, 2006, 12:57:51 pm
At the moment Ellery asked him to, Ennis was feeling quite eager to please!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 21, 2006, 01:15:13 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 21, 2006, 11:09:48 am
;D

It just struck me on this particular occasion that this was something way out of Ennis range of experience, and he seemed to agree quite easily when Ellery asked him (out of love no doubt).


I think Ennis agreed easily to watch the tape because he was feeling bad for letting Ellery down with the handcuffs drama. And also because he was worried about how Ellery would react to the content of the tape, considering what happened the last time, when Ellery learned about Rudy having sex with Beagle.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 21, 2006, 04:05:41 pm
i am typity type typing up chapter 50 now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 21, 2006, 04:52:02 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/138480.html  "Chapter 50:  The Problem of Being Dupree"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 21, 2006, 09:08:28 pm
Fancy finding this in your bathroom.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hughshower.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 21, 2006, 09:10:01 pm
Excellent solutions and very good storyline too--thanks for the update.


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Just who exactly does Clyde think he is?? And just why would Ennis be interested in him anytime--Ennis doesn't like bikers so well if I remember---I really like Dupree--he is a stand up!  Even if Ennis can usually take care of himself pretty well-I like Dupree standing up for him anyway.   And keeping the bar flies in their places. LOL

I got the idea Jeeves is getting sort of protective/territorial too in a territory he has no real business being interested in! LOL   he could get the crap kicked out of him if he keeps that stuff up. LOL :laugh:  Good read Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: littleguitar on October 21, 2006, 10:20:06 pm
sorry if this has been brought up already, but has anyone seen Hugh on the cover of men's Vogue?? WOW!  ::)

This is, unfortunately, the biggest pic I could find...

(http://media.justjared.com/headlines/2006/10/hugh-jackman-good-morning-america.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 21, 2006, 11:10:05 pm
OH WOW Mandy......he's gorgeous *sigh*

You always find the greatest pics, thanks!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 22, 2006, 03:33:18 am
Spoiler









So now I'm wondering ....

Ellery knows about Francine coming across Lance and Sergio in the apartment - but will he tell Ennis?

Did Ennis see Francine on the tape he viewed - and if he did will he tell Ellery?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 22, 2006, 08:21:59 am
the answers to all of your questions - here!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/138720.html  "Chapter 51:  Playing Telephone"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 22, 2006, 09:09:59 am
Quote from: louisev on October 22, 2006, 08:21:59 am
the answers to all of your questions - here!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/138720.html  "Chapter 51:  Playing Telephone"

Thanks Louise! I've been dying for another chapter!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 22, 2006, 09:18:17 am
Quote from: louisev on October 22, 2006, 08:21:59 am
the answers to all of your questions - here!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/138720.html  "Chapter 51:  Playing Telephone"

SPOILER



Well, at least all that's out in the open now. I wouldn't want to be Lance next time Ennis is working at the bar. He didn't seem fazed by the tape either.

I love the way that you write the girls Louise, they're just so... sisterly (best of friends, but constantly squabbling). Horses for Christmas though. Oh dear, oh dear...

Karen (on a depressingly wet Sunday afternoon)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 22, 2006, 09:20:33 am
SPOILER



You can't say Francine doesn't think on her feet!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 22, 2006, 09:43:07 am
Quote from: louisev on October 22, 2006, 09:20:33 am
SPOILER



You can't say Francine doesn't think on her feet!

Heh heh - Yep, she's lying again. Can't say I blame her this time what with Alma breathing down her neck! Oh man, hope she doesn't get everybody into trouble  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 22, 2006, 10:03:35 am
SPOILER








Here's yer Christmas present Francine - probably costs more
than Millie but what the heck - money is no object. Anyhow Ellery
will probably deduct repayments from Lance's pay packet over the
next 20 years!

(http://www.rafterranch.com/images/stallions/sonnypep.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 22, 2006, 10:22:32 am
oh my gorsh!  It's a RED STALLION!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 22, 2006, 10:30:59 am
Lucise I think we are in need of a visual of Ennis bare chested and sweaty with a just been laid look. C'est possible?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 22, 2006, 10:51:10 am
Francine may have to back up and say they were just wishful hoping Ennis would get them horses for Christmas---somehow, considering Bill isn't going to help them with college expenses, I don't see him putting out cash to keep a horse for her.
She may think fast, but not too smart. LOL  At least when Alma asks Ennis if he out of his mind thinking about horses for Christmas-we can hope he thinks as fast as Francine did. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 22, 2006, 11:59:35 am
yup! exactly right, Ranchgal.

"I'm buyin WHAT for you girls for Christmas?  Red stallions?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 22, 2006, 12:02:53 pm
If we remember way back when, Ennis was talking about bringing Pal and Socks back to Riverton--leaving them at the stable near Junior's house. However, if they are going to be going to college, they might not have time for riding and caring for horses.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 22, 2006, 12:27:08 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/138873.html  "Chapter 52: Sisters"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 22, 2006, 12:35:27 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 22, 2006, 10:30:59 am
Lucise I think we are in need of a visual of Ennis bare chested and sweaty with a just been laid look. C'est possible?

One bare-chested Ennis pic coming up.  Sorry, it's the only one I could find.

I love the beautiful red stallion, btw!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 22, 2006, 01:17:15 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on October 22, 2006, 12:35:27 pm
One bare-chested Ennis pic coming up.  Sorry, it's the only one I could find.

I love the beautiful red stallion, btw!



That picture really makes Heath look like his left arm has been amputated....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 22, 2006, 01:53:27 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on October 22, 2006, 01:17:15 pm
That picture really makes Heath look like his left arm has been amputated....

L

Jeez, I hadn't even noticed that. LOL.  The unedited picture, as circulated on the 'net, shows ... um ... everything.
He's running and apparently the pic was taken as they were filming the jumping off the cliff into the water scene.

I also have questions about all that, which would be way OT.  Can anyone recommend the best thread where to ask those questions?
Thanx.   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 22, 2006, 01:55:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 22, 2006, 12:27:08 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/138873.html  "Chapter 52: Sisters"


ROFLMAO!!!

This was great!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 22, 2006, 02:04:20 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on October 22, 2006, 01:53:27 pm
Jeez, I hadn't even noticed that. LOL.  The unedited picture, as circulated on the 'net, shows ... um ... everything.
He's running and apparently the pic was taken as they were filming the jumping off the cliff into the water scene.

I also have questions about all that, which would be way OT.  Can anyone recommend the best thread where to ask those questions?
Thanx.   ;)

There's a Heath Heath Heath thread over at Chez Tremblay board. It occurs to me it is the best place to ask or post anything related to Heath Ledger.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 22, 2006, 04:12:20 pm
Ennis and Ellery need to change their phone number.  ;D

I bet that his dealings with the Del Mar womenfolk (including Alma) hasn't endeared Elery to the female gender any.

Was just thinking about all the characters that have confessed to being attracted to Ennis, and yet he is blissfully unaware of his allure and is totally unspoilt. That must really stoke Ellery's fire.

That cake was a lovely touch, especially the crumb removal.  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 22, 2006, 07:29:28 pm
Quote from: TH on October 22, 2006, 04:35:06 pm
  Hmmm...  Do people not get that when you enter into a divorce you give up the right to say anything about a spouce and their lifestyle?   Whew! 
                                                                                                                                                  This is a spouse with children...they will always be connected, and they will always have to put up with whatever she has the guts to dish out because of that... they dont have to like it, and it probably will end as soon as they are completely away from her immediate vicinity.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 22, 2006, 09:46:35 pm
Despite Dupree turning up unannounced etc I think Ellery has got some fence mending to do with Dupree.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 22, 2006, 09:56:06 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on October 22, 2006, 01:53:27 pm
Jeez, I hadn't even noticed that. LOL.  The unedited picture, as circulated on the 'net, shows ... um ... everything.
He's running and apparently the pic was taken as they were filming the jumping off the cliff into the water scene.

I also have questions about all that, which would be way OT.  Can anyone recommend the best thread where to ask those questions?
Thanx.   ;)

JFYI:
This is one of 3-4  unauthorized pictures that were taken without permission during the jumping off the cliff scene,  on a supposedly closed set--Heath, Ang,  and the rest of the crew didn't know they had been taken, and HEath had been assured that the set was closed and he would be protected---only it didn't happen---and he and Michelle were VERY upset when the pictures surfaced for sale on ebay.  IT was a real personal bummer for him.  Heath never said anything publicly about how humiliated he was or how it hurt him, but Michelle did and she called the photographers "bastards".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 22, 2006, 10:33:08 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 22, 2006, 09:56:06 pm
JFYI:
This is one of 3-4  unauthorized pictures that were taken without permission during the jumping off the cliff scene,  on a supposedly closed set--Heath, Ang,  and the rest of the crew didn't know they had been taken, and HEath had been assured that the set was closed and he would be protected---only it didn't happen---and he and Michelle were VERY upset when the pictures surfaced for sale on ebay.  IT was a real personal bummer for him.  Heath never said anything publicly about how humiliated he was or how it hurt him, but Michelle did and she called the photographers "bastards".

Ranchgal, thanks for this post, as a Heath fan, we know how hurt he was by those photos.  But I'm relieved and glad that Navyvet has cut the bottom part of the photo.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 22, 2006, 11:44:11 pm
Quote from: ranchgal on October 22, 2006, 09:56:06 pm
JFYI:
This is one of 3-4  unauthorized pictures that were taken without permission during the jumping off the cliff scene,  on a supposedly closed set--Heath, Ang,  and the rest of the crew didn't know they had been taken, and HEath had been assured that the set was closed and he would be protected---only it didn't happen---and he and Michelle were VERY upset when the pictures surfaced for sale on ebay.

Well, I did not know about any of that.   :(
Perhaps, someone who has seen that pic could allow me to ask my OT question in a PM, as it apparently isn't something I can ask about in any thread.
Thanx.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 23, 2006, 05:46:10 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 22, 2006, 09:46:35 pm
Despite Dupree turning up unannounced etc I think Ellery has got some fence mending to do with Dupree.

So do I. Dupree has proved to be a trustworthy assistant and a friend.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 23, 2006, 06:43:41 am
Quote from: NavyVet on October 22, 2006, 11:44:11 pm
Well, I did not know about any of that.   :(
Perhaps, someone who has seen that pic could allow me to ask my OT question in a PM, as it apparently isn't something I can ask about in any thread.
Thanx.


You can PM me with your questions NV.   I have seen the full photos and the images are burned into my memory!    ;)

And PS,    It does appear that Heath would stand out among any Jewish boys in the Gym shower if you know what I mean.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 23, 2006, 08:33:14 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/139167.html  "Chapter 53: The Woman In Charge"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 23, 2006, 08:43:22 am
Chapter: 53 Spoiler




If Dupree brought me Blueberry muffins I'd let him have his way with just about anything.   

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 23, 2006, 08:46:04 am
I can't believe we are on chapter 53 already.   The time is going too fast, I dont want this story to end.   :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 23, 2006, 08:46:44 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 23, 2006, 08:43:22 am
Chapter: 53 Spoiler




If Dupree brought me Blueberry muffins I'd let him have his way with just about anything.   

 ;)

are muffins and donuts the same thing in America?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 23, 2006, 09:57:11 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 23, 2006, 08:46:44 am
are muffins and donuts the same thing in America?

No.

This is a donut:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/donut.jpg)

and this is a muffin:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/300px-Muffin_NIH.jpg)

And with that, I think I'll go have a cup of coffee!!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 23, 2006, 10:57:05 am
Quote from: louisev on September 25, 2006, 03:40:31 pm
Polite readers and authors would follow such an ethic even in the public and unregulated areas of the Internet, for the good of everyone who loves and appreciates BBM: but it's clear not everyone is polite in our fandom, and even sincere, polite requests go ignored as well. 

No f***ing s**t!

Isn't it ironic that in discussions, and fanfiction, dedicated to a story with a theme of the destructive effects of intolerance, that anyone would have to block an individual's messages because of nonstop insults and abuse.  That shouldn't be happening, but we both know that it does.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 23, 2006, 10:59:56 am
Quote from: christie wood on October 23, 2006, 08:46:44 am
are muffins and donuts the same thing in America?

Donuts are deep-fried, while muffins are baked but they have some of the same ingredients.

Donuts called "spudnuts", made with potato flour, are sold in Western states, and you can bet Ennis would have eaten more than a few of those. They're incredibly rich.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 23, 2006, 12:29:47 pm
Quote from: Marge_Innavera on October 23, 2006, 10:59:56 am
Donuts are deep-fried, while muffins are baked but they have some of the same ingredients.

Donuts called "spudnuts", made with potato flour, are sold in Western states, and you can bet Ennis would have eaten more than a few of those. They're incredibly rich.
                                                                                                                                            donuts are fried, and muffins are baked
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 23, 2006, 12:46:51 pm
Uh, OK. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 23, 2006, 12:55:07 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on October 23, 2006, 06:43:41 am
You can PM me with your questions NV.   I have seen the full photos and the images are burned into my memory!    ;)

And PS,    It does appear that Heath would stand out among any Jewish boys in the Gym shower if you know what I mean.   
                        i too have see the uncut version, and that is the truth
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 23, 2006, 01:30:00 pm
Quote from: christie wood on October 23, 2006, 08:46:04 am
I can't believe we are on chapter 53 already.   The time is going too fast, I dont want this story to end.   :'(  :'(
                                                                                                                                               agree agree agree agree...i too am very sorry to see the end in sight..i know that louise has promised other stories, but it will never be the same...its the end of an era that has seen no equal.  so much story, so little time.  i am full of cliches today, but i guess thats how it is.  sometimes they fit.  thats why they are cliches.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 23, 2006, 03:29:54 pm
Is anyone else having trouble accessing Louise' journal? I also cannot get onto Brokbackslash ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 23, 2006, 03:30:59 pm
alas, yes.  However, it is a positive experience for me because while I have gotten possibly hundreds of people addicted to Ennis and Ellery, a small minority of those may possibly, in their greed, explore my far more artistic and literary endeavours in the aftermath, when I go back to writing what I have poured out my heart and soul on all of these years, laboring in relative obscurity!

hehehe

*shameless self promotional pitch!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 23, 2006, 03:33:23 pm
For those who have not as yet Chapter 53:

HERE IT IS!

SPOILERS!



Chapter 53: The Woman In Charge

(Thursday, October 18, 1984)

Ellery slammed his phone down and stalked out into the outer office. “Wes better be here.”

“He’s back in Processin,” Joe said. “Havin trouble reaching your Assistant D.A.?”

“Yeah. When the hell is Mel getting back? An where is his flunky assistant? Harry, Henry –“

“Larry, the one with the Ellery hair,” Joe said, taking a contemplative bite of his muffin.

“That one.”

“He should be answerin the phone.”

“Well he ain’t, an I keep getting the front desk.”

“So go over there.”

“How many fuckin messages I got ta leave for that woman before she gets the point that I got ta know –“

“Problems, Chief Deputy?” Wes came in through the security door from Processing. “We got an arson back there in Processin, who wants it?”

“Arson, huh?” said Joe, cocking an eyebrow.

“Can I?” said Dupree.

“You want ta work on it, ya still report ta Ellery on major cases,” Wes said.

“Ya gonna work on this arson with me?” Dupree looked up at Ellery.

“Can I deal with one thing at a time? I got this arraignment –“ Ellery objected.

“It was continued to the first a November. If you got time after lunch go up ta the D.A.’s office an give Samuelson what ya got an in the meantime I want ya ta question this suspect an bring Dupree along on it..”

Ellery stared at Wes. “Ya want me ta go up there?”

“C’mere boy,” Wes said, and turned on his heel, heading for his office. Dupree shrugged, and Ellery gave Dupree a backward look before he followed Wes into his office and closed the door.

“Mel is down for the count the rest a this week. Bunny is doin poorly an they can’t hardly make head nor tail of her mental state, an they got ta operate on her leg, an they can’t get goin on treatin the alcoholism an so she’s goin through withdrawals too.”

“Shit,” said Ellery. “An I can’t even raise Mel’s office.”

“There’s a reason for that. Mel has got Samuelson negotiatin some sort a state’s evidence with Amos Marigold…”

“You are shittin me. He is gonna confess?”

“He hasn’t yet given em anything on his dealins with the Brotherhood, but it looks like those boys are gonna rat him out before he rats them out.”

“They got more ta lose, like their lives.”

“Right. But the most we’ll get on Amos is life if he is found guilty of conspiracy ta murder.”

“That has got ta be wrong.”

“Our conspiracy laws ain’t that strong, Ellery, unfortunately. He didn’t pull any triggers, he just paid people money, an that ain’t considered a capital crime as yet here. We’d have ta prove he was actually plannin murders en payin for em, an nobody’s sayin that yet. Anyhow, that is off the point. The point is – we got ta keep rollin here, an I want ya ta give Dupree his head a bit with this arson. They got a suspect, an we got the witnesses who saw em.”

“What burned down?”

“Warehouse down on South 3rd, took out a couple a stores near that garage.

“You mean … that Nate’s place, the radiator man?”

“Yeah that’s him.”

Ellery made a little face.

“What’s that about?”

“Nate the radiator man is sweet on Ennis.”

“Well, he is one a yer witnesses, saw the suspect walkin the neighbourhood when he was workin late.”

“Is this a hard lead or a soft one?”

“Considerin the suspect has got a rap sheet a mile long it’s probably a hard one.”

“Arson?”

“Among other things.”

“Maybe it’s open an shut.”

“Were that all police work were open an shut. Anyhow, you do the legwork an get over ta Samuelson’s office with the rest a the stuff on McCollum, she was gonna continue it anyway.”

“How come she didn’t tell me, I was tryin ta reach her all day yesterday?”

“Because she told me.”

“She didn’t return my calls.”

“Did that hurt yer little Chief Deputy feelins or something?”

Ellery glared.

“Stop actin like a typical man, Ellery. Think of her as Mel’s trusted deputy instead of some demon in a skirt tryin ta land on yer lap.”

“I am thinking a her as the Assistant D.A. who didn’t return ten a my phone calls yesterday.”

“So go up there. She’s busy. Talk ta Larry an get em ta give her the files an she’ll get back ta ya when she needs ta or when she has a date. Now go work on this arson with Dupree an see if we’ve got a case or just a hunch.”

“I ain’t that bad.”

“Yer grumpy. Why is it that yer so fuckin grumpy? Is this the no-coffee thing?”

“An the no cigars thing an the no salt thing. I feel like I’m comin apart at the ears.”

“Well talk to yer doctor, maybe he’ll tell you ta cut down gradually.”

“It’d help if some a you guys were sufferin with me. At least Ennis is givin up cigars at the same time an we’re twitchin the same way at the same time.”

“Good for him. I’ll give up cigars when ya pry em out a my cold dead hands.”

“Then you’ll be a little more sympathetic,” Ellery said, scowling.

“Never. I’m the Sheriff. I’m paid to kick asses. Dismissed.”

Ellery left Wes’s office and went back to where Dupree was looking at a rap sheet on a David Terwilliger. “This guy has been ta jail on everythin in the world. Even counterfeitin.”

“What’d he do, make his own twenty dollar bills with crayons an green paper?” Ellery said.

“Maybe. If yer gonna burn down a warehouse, why stand around where everybody can see ya?” Dupree asked, looking at the police report.

“Good question. Was he at the scene a the fire?”

“Yup. Taylor an Mulrayne were interviewin people half the night as the firemen were putting it down an he was one a the first people they interviewed, an they tagged em for further questioning cause he had a smell a gasoline on em.”

“So he’s been caught doin every crime he’s ever done, exactly the kind a guy I like as a suspect,” Ellery grinned. He reached over and patted Dupree on the shoulder. “Come on, Detective, let’s go get em.”

“Does this mean ya forgive me?”

“You get me blueberry donuts three days in a row an we’ll call it even.”

Dupree grinned. “Done!”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 23, 2006, 04:22:10 pm
Thanks Louise, your generosity to your fans knows no bounds!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 23, 2006, 05:21:50 pm
speaking of which...

i am typity type typing another chapter at this hour.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 23, 2006, 05:33:34 pm
Wow Louise, what kind of fuel do you run on?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 23, 2006, 05:43:58 pm
Rice cakes!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 23, 2006, 05:55:46 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 23, 2006, 05:43:58 pm
Rice cakes!

Blimey - they never have that effect on me. Then again you also have Ellery and Ennis scampering around in your fevered imagination. I'm sure that's more than enough to keep a girl inspired. ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 23, 2006, 06:21:14 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/139310.html  "Chapter 54:  Confidences"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 07:43:19 am
... uh oh, did I write a bad chapter?...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 24, 2006, 07:56:06 am
Quote from: louisev on October 24, 2006, 07:43:19 am
... uh oh, did I write a bad chapter?...

Bad chapter? Why do you say that? It wasn't bad at all. It was a cliff hanger! I guess people are busy or sleeping and haven't had a chance to comment on it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 24, 2006, 07:57:35 am
God, no, not at all Louise.

Been hectic here this morning.

Was just thinking that as much as I adore Ennis/ Ellery scenes (and I do), I do love the interaction between the staff/patrons of the Red Stallion, especially the teasing of Lance. He must be mortified to think that so many people have seen him ‘perform’. Can’t wait for Ennis’s next shift. He’ll certainly be looking at certain people in a different light.

On second thoughts, wasn’t Ennis sneaking a peek at Lance’s physique at one point. Mmmmm… wonder how he feels post viewing? That could certainly prove interesting.

I think that you’ve left us all wondering what on earth Jeeves is about to impart to Dupree.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 08:11:09 am
oh that's right, the Jeeves cliffhanger part.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 08:24:17 am
**typity type type.**
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 24, 2006, 08:58:41 am
Quote from: louisev on October 24, 2006, 08:24:17 am
**typity type type.**

Gonna have to keep refereshing now  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 09:30:48 am
here it is.

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/139588.html  "Chapter 55:  The Valet Did It"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 24, 2006, 10:16:56 am
Ahhh… so Jeeves is a bit dodgy, but not a criminal. I know he could be spinning another line, but I’m inclined to believe him.

He can still be a gentleman without being a member of the titled aristocracy. In fact being a valet to a Lord would make him a Gentleman’s gentleman (as was P.G. Wodehouse’s Jeeves). I was touched by his story, having a secret relationship all those years.

Hopefully the crowd at The Red Stallion will bring some light into his life. It’s nice to see that he’s found a friend in Dupree. I wonder if Ellery will remain suspicious.

BTW Louise, you’ve said that from the exterior the bar looks like a private billiards club. So, I take it that there’s no sign outside with the name on it?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 10:29:02 am
it says "Billiards" in the window.

He truly is a "Jeeves" then... heheh.

But didn't ANYBODY like my Gauguin joke?

ANYBODY?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 24, 2006, 10:35:58 am
Quote from: louisev on October 24, 2006, 10:29:02 am
it says "Billiards" in the window.

He truly is a "Jeeves" then... heheh.

But didn't ANYBODY like my Gauguin joke?

ANYBODY?

Sorry Louise, being the philistine that I am the reference was totally wasted on me.

However, research of this nature is what the Internet was invented for surely. Wikipedia, here I come.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 10:42:51 am
Gauguin was a French painter who became famous for painting nudes on the beaches in Tahiti and in fact left France and lived there for the remainder of his life.  So being nude in Tahiti is sort of a cliche due to Gauguin.

And Dupree, not knowing who Gauguin is, thought Jeeves was talking about a movie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 24, 2006, 10:57:07 am
You get entertainment and education on this thread. Wonder what other fac ficdoms can make that claim.  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 11:19:51 am
hee hee, thanks Karen.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on October 24, 2006, 11:26:03 am
Quote from: louisev on October 24, 2006, 10:29:02 am
it says "Billiards" in the window.

He truly is a "Jeeves" then... heheh.

But didn't ANYBODY like my Gauguin joke?

ANYBODY?

Yes, Louise. I not only loved the chapter, I enjoyed the Gaugin reference. I found Dupree's comparison of his own name to "Butterworth" even funnier.

The silly European nonsense of peerage is a wonderful resource for humor. Spain may have been the worst over the years: The Spanish nobleman who would rather starve than dirty his hands doing any kind of work is a cliche among Hispanic people.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 24, 2006, 11:35:28 am
Quote from: pastorfred on October 24, 2006, 11:26:03 am
Yes, Louise. I not only loved the chapter, I enjoyed the Gaugin reference. I found Dupree's comparison of his own name to "Butterworth" even funnier.


me too, Fred.


SPOILER

And another great last line '“I had enough a his movie for a lifetime, thanks,” Dupree said, hiding a smirk.'

hahahaha, good one Louise!

And Dupree really is a very nice guy  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 24, 2006, 12:38:10 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 24, 2006, 10:57:07 am
You get entertainment and education on this thread. Wonder what other fac ficdoms can make that claim.  ;D

Karen

Yep - we sure do!  :)

Oh and Louise, when have you ever written a bad chapter, huh??  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 12:40:46 pm
hehehe yeah, the one where the week had 9 days!  Which is why there are dates and days on the chapter now!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 24, 2006, 03:06:10 pm
Okay I am really behind in my chapters ..
 I'm currently reading about Edna's cousin Julia's visit .. (yes, that's like 20 chapters behind ..)
I posted this on Louise's LJ, but if we dont have a Julia yet, I can add the Knitting Kween to the gallery ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/8363ed06.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on October 24, 2006, 03:30:44 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 24, 2006, 10:16:56 am
Ahhh… so Jeeves is a bit dodgy, but not a criminal. I know he could be spinning another line, but I’m inclined to believe him.

He can still be a gentleman without being a member of the titled aristocracy. In fact being a valet to a Lord would make him a Gentleman’s gentleman (as was P.G. Wodehouse’s Jeeves).

I don't believe him for one second!!  If Chas Chesterfield was a "Sir" then he was in all probability a knight not a Lord and it's not a hereditary or noble title.  Clearly a Lord's valet would know these things.  And surely evading Inheritance Tax still makes him a criminal (even if it is one of the most riduculous taxes after window tax!).  I'm still convinced he's up to no good!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 03:43:04 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 24, 2006, 03:06:10 pm
Okay I am really behind in my chapters ..
 I'm currently reading about Edna's cousin Julia's visit .. (yes, that's like 20 chapters behind ..)
I posted this on Louise's LJ, but if we dont have a Julia yet, I can add the Knitting Kween to the gallery ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/8363ed06.jpg)

 ;D

Oh I think she'll do!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 24, 2006, 03:49:51 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 24, 2006, 03:43:04 pm
Oh I think she'll do!!!

excellent!
I'll lock her up in her knitting basket in the gallery ..lol ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on October 24, 2006, 04:01:53 pm
I'm also convinced this fake Brit is up to no good - I can smell a rat....he has more to hide than just tax evasion  :)

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 24, 2006, 05:23:24 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/139827.html  "Chapter 56:  Vandals"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 24, 2006, 05:25:02 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 24, 2006, 03:06:10 pm
Okay I am really behind in my chapters ..
 I'm currently reading about Edna's cousin Julia's visit .. (yes, that's like 20 chapters behind ..)
I posted this on Louise's LJ, but if we dont have a Julia yet, I can add the Knitting Kween to the gallery ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/8363ed06.jpg)

 ;D
  that picture is so right on, as to scare the hell outta me... :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 24, 2006, 05:45:03 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on October 24, 2006, 05:25:02 pm
  that picture is so right on, as to scare the hell outta me... :-\

I *so* agree Janice.

You keep her locked up over there in the Gallery, Milli!! Don't want her roaming around scaring the shit outta everybody  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 24, 2006, 05:49:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 24, 2006, 05:23:24 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/139827.html  "Chapter 56:  Vandals"

I already commented on your journal but why oh why did this have to happen! I hate it, poor Ennis  :(  For this to have to happen in the saftey of their own house again  :( He's been through soo much already, poor sweet darlin
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 24, 2006, 06:14:14 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 24, 2006, 05:45:03 pm
You keep her locked up over there in the Gallery, Milli!! Don't want her roaming around scaring the shit outta everybody  ;D

As the French would say .. mission accomplie ..  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6277a861.jpg)

(Until Louise lets her out again, that is ..)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 24, 2006, 06:28:44 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 24, 2006, 06:14:14 pm
As the French would say .. mission accomplie ..  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6277a861.jpg)

(Until Louise lets her out again, that is ..)

Merci beaucoup madame  :-*

I hope Louise throws away the damn key  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 25, 2006, 08:30:51 am
Quote from: louisev on October 24, 2006, 05:23:24 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/139827.html  "Chapter 56:  Vandals"

SPOILER


Oh dear, so who's got it in for the boys now? It might just be teenage hoodlums, or it may be something more sinister.

I really liked that Ellery, knowing Ennis, tries to look beneath the surface of his reaction, thinking that his kidnapping may have left deeper scars than it would appear. I also liked that Ennis had started dealing with the siutation before Ellery got home (even if he was potentially tampering with evidence), without disturbing him at work (like Bill would have).

And the ending was touching - that Ellery knows that he may have to stay up half the night dealing with the graffiti, but he'll do it for Ennis' peace of mind.

They'll need some cuddling and cozy chats after their toil I'm thinking  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 25, 2006, 08:55:15 am
SPOILERS

I liked the way Ellery handled the situation - he was having to be reassuring to Ennis and professional at the same time as this was a crime and he didnt want Ennis to make things worse, although I understood why Ennis would want those awful words scrubbed off the house.  Ellery is really perceptive about Ennis, knows that his angry exterior is hiding a lot, and knows that he will have to have a lot of reassuring words for him.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 25, 2006, 09:43:34 am
Hey Christie, we've got a kind of Ennis/Jack ying/yang thing going on with our avatars.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 25, 2006, 09:49:25 am
Hee Hee, I think you are right Karen!  I love that pic of Jack though - thats the one with the sheep isnt it?  Did you try and get the sheep on the pic as well, or did you just want Jack's face? 

I love all pics of Ennis outside Aguirre's trailer, but I do try and change my avatar now and again, but I find it so difficult to choose, there are so many I love!

I'm liking the ying/yang thing - isnt that what Jake said about Ennis and Jack finding each other on the mountain?

Its quiet around here today isnt it?  Where is everyone?  ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 25, 2006, 10:14:55 am
I have been nose to the grindstone all day at my job, it is only just after 4.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 25, 2006, 12:13:25 pm
Quote from: christie wood on October 25, 2006, 09:49:25 am

Its quiet around here today isnt it?  Where is everyone?  ???

It's been really quiet for the past few days now  :(

Sorry your bosses have been making you work so hard, Louise  :(  How dare they?!?  ;D  I'm dying for another chapter!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 25, 2006, 02:47:28 pm
okay so i have caught up on my sleep (I was up late last night) and now I am eating something and have a phone interview in about 15 minutes.  When that is done I will be typity type type.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 25, 2006, 03:56:09 pm
Hi Louise - hope the interview went well.

You've got a lot on at the moment. Much as we all love your updates we'd survive without them for a day or so so that you can catch up with yourself.

Then you'll have the energy to write one of those nice smoochy, intimate chapters, that you excel at so much  ;)

Tee hee

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 25, 2006, 04:19:41 pm
I can't break my streak!  I have to write something before I go to bed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 25, 2006, 05:17:02 pm
and here we are!

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/140168.html  "Chapter 57:  The Pain Inside"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 25, 2006, 06:35:09 pm
An Appreciation of Ellery

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh5-1.jpg)

Ennis' darlin' charmin' man

Jack may have been Ennis’ soulmate but as we know for a whole range of reasons he and Ennis could never find a happy life together. While it may sound unromantic to say it, soulmates do not always make for the best partners on a daily basis. The feelings generated can be too unsettlingly intense or certain personality dynamics or life circumstances can simply militate against it. Soulmates can be emotionally exhausting! All these factors came into play with Jack and Ennis.

Ellery’s personality and life circumstances made all the difference. Here is an out and proud gay man with community standing and a powerful sponsor in the sheriff. He is settled with his own house and independent financial resources and most importantly does not have the baggage of wife and kids. In addition, Ellery has Jack’s loving personality and emotional maturity.

As well, Ellery is drop dead gorgeous and brings out new aspects of Ennis’ character – his domestic as well as his sexual prowess in terms of some interesting experimentation! His challenging personality also brings out Ennis’ playfulness as well as changed perspectives.

Ellery has the confidence to take command of Ennis which is just what Ennis needs. He has the resources and life circumstance to enable Ennis to feel safe. He enhances Ennis' self confidence and has done wonders for his self esteem.

Such a man is just what Ennis needed if he was ever going to get a life.




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 26, 2006, 01:43:21 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 25, 2006, 06:35:09 pm
An Appreciation of Ellery

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh5-1.jpg)

Ennis' darlin' charmin' man

Jack may have been Ennis’ soulmate but as we know for a whole range of reasons he and Ennis could never find a happy life together. While it may sound unromantic to say it, soulmates do not always make for the best partners on a daily basis. The feelings generated can be to unsettlingly intense or certain personality dynamics or life circumstances can simply militate against it. Soulmates can be emotionally exhausting! All these factors came into play with Jack and Ennis.

Ellery’s personality and life circumstances made all the difference. Here is and out and proud gay man with community standing and a powerful sponsor in the sheriff. He is settled with his own house and independent financial resources and most importantly does not have the baggage of wife and kids. In addition, Ellery has Jack’s loving personality and emotional maturity.

As well, Ellery is drop dead gorgeous and brings out new aspects of Ennis’ character – his domestic as well as his sexual prowess in terms of some interesting experimentation! His challenging personality also brings out Ennis’ playfulness as well as changed perspectives.

Ellery has the confidence to take command of Ennis which is just what Ennis needs. He has the resources and life circumstance to enable Ennis to feel safe. He enhances Ennis' self confidence and has done wonders for his self esteem.

Such a man is just what Ennis needed if he was ever going to get a life.







Perfect.  :)

And an appreciation of Louise: this story was just what i needed as well!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 26, 2006, 05:20:09 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 25, 2006, 06:35:09 pm
An Appreciation of Ellery

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh5-1.jpg)

Ennis' darlin' charmin' man

Jack may have been Ennis’ soulmate but as we know for a whole range of reasons he and Ennis could never find a happy life together. While it may sound unromantic to say it, soulmates do not always make for the best partners on a daily basis. The feelings generated can be too unsettlingly intense or certain personality dynamics or life circumstances can simply militate against it. Soulmates can be emotionally exhausting! All these factors came into play with Jack and Ennis.

Ellery’s personality and life circumstances made all the difference. Here is an out and proud gay man with community standing and a powerful sponsor in the sheriff. He is settled with his own house and independent financial resources and most importantly does not have the baggage of wife and kids. In addition, Ellery has Jack’s loving personality and emotional maturity.

As well, Ellery is drop dead gorgeous and brings out new aspects of Ennis’ character – his domestic as well as his sexual prowess in terms of some interesting experimentation! His challenging personality also brings out Ennis’ playfulness as well as changed perspectives.

Ellery has the confidence to take command of Ennis which is just what Ennis needs. He has the resources and life circumstance to enable Ennis to feel safe. He enhances Ennis' self confidence and has done wonders for his self esteem.

Such a man is just what Ennis needed if he was ever going to get a life.






Oh magicmountain, that was just gorgeous.  Thank You.   :)

I agree with everything you said about Ellery.....I know we all go on about him, but he really is just the most amazing character, and I just marvel at Louise's ability to make him so human, so loving, so real. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 26, 2006, 05:23:12 am
Quote from: louisev on October 25, 2006, 05:17:02 pm
and here we are!

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/140168.html  "Chapter 57:  The Pain Inside"

Louise, that was just beautiful.  I loved the title.  And I love how Ellery treats Ennis, with such care and consideration, knowing how Ennis is feeling inside.  And his declaration of love was just lovely, very emotional and beautifully expressed.  I felt very emotional reading that.

Thank you Louise, for giving us that chapter after your busy day and I hope the interview went well.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 26, 2006, 05:25:09 am
thanks folks...

after the last two days I have had, it is heartwarming to get these wonderful mails.  And Jo:  you really light this board up with your wonderful poems, tributes, photos and etc!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 26, 2006, 07:40:52 am
Louise, you know that all your work is appreciated around here. Hope life calms down a bit for you soon.

That is a rather splendid picture. I think I'd put up with the occasional bit of vandalism to wake up to that view.

SPOILER

Ennis still has some deep seated anxieties, but they are getting better. Once upon a time he would have bolted if confronted by something like this.

Loved that he had started to come round by the end of the conversation.

Bit slow at work here today (or maybe I'm a bit slow today) so I'm treating myself by starting to re-read LS from scratch.  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on October 26, 2006, 08:00:06 am
Karen, you are right about Ennis' deep seated anxieties, but he's so lucky to have someone as wonderful as Ellery to hold his hand through his troubles.

God, I love that man.  Well, I love them both.

I plan to re-read through the whole of LS once it's finished.  Not that I'm wishing it to end or anything!  Nothing could be further from the truth.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 26, 2006, 08:02:24 am
SPOILERS

Mean things like the vandalism are bound to happen. Ennis will always encounter someone through the course of his life who would say something mean to him for being queer. It is the way it is, unfortunately. So, IMO he has to learn from Ellery to shrug it off and go on living. However, I have to say that Ennis is coming along very well. If this had happened a few months earlier he'd probably run away from Laramie to hide himself again in Riverton.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 26, 2006, 08:42:50 am
It would be very hard for Ennis to bolt now... he has built his life more around his relationship, he is invested.  That doesn't keep the anxiety and the anger away... but the mere thought of the life he had once:  of waiting months and months to see the man he really loved, while struggling to even make a show of affection to the woman he committed himself to - convinces him that even with the homophobes around him, he is still better off.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 26, 2006, 08:56:13 am
No, Ennis wouldn't leave anymore.

He deals with it, or he tries to, with the help of Ellery. I loved how they, despite the anger and anxiety they both must feel, just got on with their evening, preparing and eating dinner. As if they wouldn't let vandals interrupt or upset their life more than they did. No one brooded, no one needed to get drunk. They just talked about it. Which is one thing Ellery has really 'taught' Ennis. Talking helps. And Ellery again manages to get a smile on Ennis's face, wonderful!
They really are great together!  :)  :)


Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 26, 2006, 01:51:11 pm
*is anxious for a chapter*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 26, 2006, 02:00:11 pm
louise is typing right as we speak!

 :)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 26, 2006, 02:06:52 pm
yes... I am.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 26, 2006, 02:11:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 26, 2006, 02:06:52 pm
yes... I am.

*hums the typing music...typity type type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 26, 2006, 02:50:50 pm
A Coyote interlude  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/coyote20howling20vertical.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 26, 2006, 03:00:19 pm
Just for fun, because we haven't seen this in a while:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate14.gif)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 26, 2006, 03:16:49 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/140408.html  "Chapter 58:  Clinging"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 26, 2006, 03:33:51 pm
SPOILER

Quote
Have I taken away any of your pain? Or caused you more? He didn’t know. He might never know.

I know Ennis will never recover from the pain of losing Jack. However, I think Ellery in some way did take away some of his pain. Thanks to him, and to Ennis himself for making the effort, Ennis has a life to look foward to. A full life that is, as man in love with another man, who truly loves him and cares about him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 26, 2006, 04:39:39 pm
SPOILER



Oh dear God - what a chapter! Louise, I've been sat here with my mouth hanging open.  :o

That was sooo hot! I kind of suspected that this might be Ennis's reaction to what had happened, but oh my...

Ellery's ponderings were a tad melancholy. He must know that he has brought Ennis more happiness than pain, I do hope that he realises this. As for his musings about Jack, it's true that without Jack's death he and Ennis never would have met. Without Jack's death Ennis never would have made the effort to find out more about what beng gay means, and he never would have met Ellery, and been able to live such a fulfilled life. It's a sad revelation. Ennis had to lose the love of his life to enable him to be in a position to accept love.

Louise, thank you once again for your wonderful story.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 26, 2006, 05:25:20 pm
you are very welcome, I am glad you enjoyed it.  I am sure Ennis enjoyed it as well!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 26, 2006, 09:49:38 pm
The Laramie Saga: confronting some painful truths about Jack and Ennis

Now we are nearing the end of the Saga I realize there has been quite a revolution in my thinking about Jack and Ennis revealing some painful truths. I also realize this has only been possible through the journey this story has taken me on.

For a long time I thought the core of my pain was Jack’s death. If only Jack hadn’t died. I then realized that dead or not Jack and Ennis’ relationship was tearing them both apart and going absolutely nowhere in the process. Towards the end the shadow was threatening to swallow up the “brilliant charge”. That was the real hurt I felt within. After that terrible argument, Annie wrote that they put back the pieces together again. But Ennis’ worst suspicions had been confirmed and Jack’s mighty discontent and frustration was out in the open. Trust and acceptance had gone out the window. The glue holding together any consensus between them must have been pretty fragile.

The whole situation would have had to be renegotiated but would they have been able to do that? The dynamics between them seemed set in concrete over 20 years. In the meantime Jack was hitting the booze and alcoholism was round the corner. It wouldn’t surprise me if Ennis would have begun to hit the bottle as well if things had continued. Wouldn’t he be constantly nagging at Jack with jealous accusations every time they met up? And then AIDS was on the horizon…. The core of their love would always remain – as we see in the Saga, it survived Jack’s death in no uncertain terms – but it just wasn’t going to work out in this lifetime in this place.

Even so, having come to this conclusion, I still relapsed into mourning Jack again and wishing him back. (Old habits die hard!) Now I think wishing him back to what – more suffering and frustration? For those who think it is unrealistic that Ennis moves on from Jack to another relationship but instead perpetually mourns the old one, I ask – don’t you think Ennis would come to realize the impossibility of things the way they were as well? It’s not a question of him saying to himself – I wish I had agreed to live with Jack. In living through the challenges of learning to live with Ellery even under much more favourable circumstances, he would come to realise that the old Ennis would never have been able to do that and at some point he would come to accept that. He would also realize that he could only have continued to be a source of pain to Jack as Jack would also always have been a source of pain for him. Why wish that back and make longing for it the basis of your life?

Once you understand this and come to terms with it, once you stop idealizing the old relationship, you can no longer resent Ennis finding a new life and a new love. If Ennis had been the one to die then Jack would have been freed to find a man less fearful than Ennis and more emotionally well adjusted. Only by seeing Ennis’ armour peeled away layer by layer over the course of the Laramie Saga not only through Jack's death and the intervention of Ellery, but through the events he experiences and his interactions with others, do we understand how far Ennis was imprisoned in his personality and fear. Only through this story have we been able to understand the great distance he had to travel which only reinforces the impossibility of Ennis changing in the old relationship. In understanding this you also can no longer feel such anger at his inability to shift.

Having said all that, I find I am no longer really interested in going over all the old ground of analyzing Jack and Ennis’ relationship or wishing Jack back. I now think about that relationship not with wistfulness but with relief that they were both finally freed.

Those who take no joy in Ennis freeing himself and finding life with a new person and refuse to face uncomfortable facts about Ennis and Jack’s relationship, or even the fact that Jack died, have attacked this story. Whatever their rationalisations, I wonder if they do this because it confronts some painful truths about life and death and relationships they prefer to deny or wish away.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 27, 2006, 01:55:11 am
Quote from: louisev on October 26, 2006, 03:16:49 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/140408.html  "Chapter 58:  Clinging"


OMG Louise!
it's friday morning 7.52h and now i have to go to work. Now, how am I going to do that, having just read chapter 58? Hunh?  :o

But, thank you for writing this amazing, hot, loving chapter!  :)

Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 27, 2006, 05:36:02 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 26, 2006, 09:49:38 pm
The Laramie Saga: confronting some painful truths about Jack and Ennis


Wow, Jo, you have thought deeply through this... and I have to say that I agree.  The baseline assumption I made in writing the Laramie Saga was that Ennis was not going to change without a life-altering tragedy.  That tragedy was provided already, by Annie Proulx:  Jack's sudden, inexplicable death.  We have only a short glimpse of Ennis afterward, but even in those brief glimpses, he outed himself as Jack's lover, to Jack's parents, in the interest of trying to make a final gesture in fulfilling Jack's wishes - to spread his ashes on Brokeback.  But the dissolution of their relationship was in the making, and time, distrust, and fear had worn them both to the quick by the time of their final meeting - they were holding on to the dying corpse of a relationship that Ennis, of the two of them, could not accept nor move forward with.

Hence the two years of grief and depression.  Following his loss he could move neither forward, nor back.  After the sea-change of losing the one man he wanted and did not let himself have, his loss paralyzed him into a long period of inactivity, and only the memory of Jack, the reminder in the form of the journal from Brokeback, reminded him of the poignancy and immediacy of what he once held dear, a glimmer that it was possible for him to find others who were like himself.  Not to replace Jack - but to understand him.  And there is where the new odyssey starts - in seeking an understanding of Jack, he found someone who understood HIM.

Could things have worked out with Jack?  No,  not unless, and until, Ennis went through this sea-change.  Because I chose not to write an alternate-universe in which Jack survived, the only sea-change possible in the canon was the one given:  Jack's death.  It could not have been otherwise without rewriting Annie Proulx's story, and I haven't yet found it in me to do that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on October 27, 2006, 12:12:32 pm
Good morning , Loise, everybody,

It’s hard for me to write right after I red last two chapter and all your thoughts here*sighing* , I'll try to add my bit...
I know what it means to meet your beloved three-four  times per year in the middle of nowhere (coincidentally as in the movie), I know very well how much  longing , pain and doubts it does bring between the meetings which kills you slowly but steadily from inside out  and damages all what seems like main relationships around. I know what means to meet your love in wrong time and wrong age, but I know those years of my life were great source for learning how relationship can’t work and  can’t survive .

I read couple of reviews from my country critics about BBM, and curiously, they all agreed in one fact – the movie should be ending  after J/E final meeting , because there already was dead, already was corpse- “corpse of their relationship” as Louise mentioned, so no need for further dramatic end  for effect.
I just wish it were enough for Ennis to realize own mistakes, and he would learn  to accept himself and move forward to genuine relationship even with another man. But this scenario would probably work for different character, not Ennis. Ennis really needed the hardest blow from life – lose Jack forever; otherwise he would be until the end of his life convinced – he only did right decision. ( as always)

No matter how much I love Jack’s character I’m thankful to Louise giving Ennis real life with  person like Ellery ( I already met my) who made him feel loved, needed, secured and who literary gave him a hand in almost everything, who met Ennis in right time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 27, 2006, 01:29:02 pm
*typity type type!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 27, 2006, 01:51:10 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/140684.html  "Chapter 59:  A New Investigation"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 27, 2006, 02:18:01 pm
Love your newest chapter---very fun read!! ;D
thanks!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 27, 2006, 02:37:36 pm
so many wonderful comments, and so much deep thought... I love it.  Thank you all for reading, but even more, for thinking through the larger meaning and value of the Laramie Saga.  It makes me realize why I wrote it, or rather, why I HAD to write it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 27, 2006, 03:58:46 pm

What deep, pertinent comments on Ennis and his coming to terms with and finding himself.  Jaack's death was the catalust and Ellery's love was the support in this journey, so beautifully portrayed in the Larramie Saga.

In the canon, Ennis found Jack, but Jack also found Ennis.  A strong catalyst (as Jack's death) was necessary to bring Ennis along on his journey.  But was this the only catalyst?  Jack was involved in the relationship too.

The first story I read began with a powerful interaction (beautifully written) between Jack and Ennis when they met after Ennis' divorce.  Jack seriously proposed suicide for both of them or for himself alone .  To my mind, this was a powerful catalyst to get Ennis to change, and it worked!  The two went on to own the Lazy L Farm in Quanah, Texas.

Other stories showed other motives.  So I don't think Jack's death was necessary to set the process in motion, and I think Jack's love could have been as supportive as Ellery's.

I guess that's what these stories are for, and the LS gives us a great take on what could have been.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 27, 2006, 06:01:43 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 26, 2006, 09:49:38 pm
The Laramie Saga: confronting some painful truths about Jack and Ennis

Now we are nearing the end of the Saga I realize there has been quite a revolution in my thinking about Jack and Ennis revealing some painful truths. I also realize this has only been possible through the journey this story has taken me on.

For a long time I thought the core of my pain was Jack’s death. If only Jack hadn’t died. I then realized that dead or not Jack and Ennis’ relationship was tearing them both apart and going absolutely nowhere in the process. Towards the end the shadow was threatening to swallow up the “brilliant charge”. That was the real hurt I felt within. After that terrible argument, Annie wrote that they put back the pieces together again. But Ennis’ worst suspicions had been confirmed and Jack’s mighty discontent and frustration was out in the open. Trust and acceptance had gone out the window. The glue holding together any consensus between them must have been pretty fragile.

The whole situation would have had to be renegotiated but would they have been able to do that? The dynamics between them seemed set in concrete over 20 years. In the meantime Jack was hitting the booze and alcoholism was round the corner. It wouldn’t surprise me if Ennis would have begun to hit the bottle as well if things had continued. Wouldn’t he be constantly nagging at Jack with jealous accusations every time they met up? And then AIDS was on the horizon…. The core of their love would always remain – as we see in the Saga, it survived Jack’s death in no uncertain terms – but it just wasn’t going to work out in this lifetime in this place.

Even so, having come to this conclusion, I still relapsed into mourning Jack again and wishing him back. (Old habits die hard!) Now I think wishing him back to what – more suffering and frustration? For those who think it is unrealistic that Ennis moves on from Jack to another relationship but instead perpetually mourns the old one, I ask – don’t you think Ennis would come to realize the impossibility of things the way they were as well? It’s not a question of him saying to himself – I wish I had agreed to live with Jack. In living through the challenges of learning to live with Ellery even under much more favourable circumstances, he would come to realise that the old Ennis would never have been able to do that and at some point he would come to accept that. He would also realize that he could only have continued to be a source of pain to Jack as Jack would also always have been a source of pain for him. Why wish that back and make longing for it the basis of your life?

Once you understand this and come to terms with it, once you stop idealizing the old relationship, you can no longer resent Ennis finding a new life and a new love. If Ennis had been the one to die then Jack would have been freed to find a man less fearful than Ennis and more emotionally well adjusted. Only by seeing Ennis’ armour peeled away layer by layer over the course of the Laramie Saga not only through Jack's death and the intervention of Ellery, but through the events he experiences and his interactions with others, do we understand how far Ennis was imprisoned in his personality and fear. Only through this story have we been able to understand the great distance he had to travel which only reinforces the impossibility of Ennis changing in the old relationship. In understanding this you also can no longer feel such anger at his inability to shift.

Having said all that, I find I am no longer really interested in going over all the old ground of analyzing Jack and Ennis’ relationship or wishing Jack back. I now think about that relationship not with wistfulness but with relief that they were both finally freed.

Those who take no joy in Ennis freeing himself and finding life with a new person and refuse to face uncomfortable facts about Ennis and Jack’s relationship, or even the fact that Jack died, have attacked this story. Whatever their rationalisations, I wonder if they do this because it confronts some painful truths about life and death and relationships they prefer to deny or wish away.
  who could tell or predict, the way it might have changed after the big train wreck...they may have been exposed enough by that age and time, to make a new start..they both clearly loved each other still....it may have made a new beginning and more mature place for them to be...now that both of them had a peek through the curtain, at what they could lose for good and all.....that is where to me the great sorry we all felt in the end of the story came from......it was never to be explored...just like their summer was aborted , by joe aguirres...bring em down...the rest of the story was aborted by jacks untimely death....it will always be the  maybe if factor.........................janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 27, 2006, 06:07:00 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/140830.html   "Chapter 60:  Getting Mothered"

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 27, 2006, 06:38:20 pm
Was about to head to bed - glad I didn't.

SPOILER


Just gotta love Wes and Edna, they are like parents to Ellery (and increasingly Ennis too). Can't believe that auld hag Julia could be so malicious. It's one thing to disapprove of someones lifestyle, quite another to sabotage their career. Yeah - she needs to bugger off to that nursing home.

So, Ellery might be in line for a commendation. That's great news! :) It's great that his dedication to his work is being recognised, but I also think that this will have a positive knock effect for Ennis. For him to see his openly gay partner receive such an accolade may further put his mind at rest with regards to the intentions of ordinary decent people towards them.

Two things are worrying me though - Firstly, just who was sneaking around the house? Teenage vandals wouldn't do that, they do what they do then run off. Secondly, Ennis' hearing problem is a bit of a concern. I'm wondering if this is left over from the serious punch that Bill gave him, or perhaps something that happened during his kidnap and escape.

Hopefully I'm wrong on both counts. Perhaps the vandals are just teenage thugs and Ennis merely needs his ears waxed.  :)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 27, 2006, 07:22:45 pm
I believe that we did have a recipe for Edna's chocolate cake posted by Lucise.

I need to start hunting for apple tarts and raspberry tarts...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 27, 2006, 08:49:32 pm
Quote from: Lucise on October 08, 2006, 07:08:24 pm
You're welcome Fabienne.  :)


Okay..chocolate cake.  I don't think we have this in the gallery yet!


EDNA'S RICH CHOCALATE CAKE:

(http://www.cakesmalaysia.com/images/cake9.jpg)


275g (10oz) Soft Brown Sugar
225g (8oz) Plain Flour
225ml (8 floz) Milk
135g (5oz) Butter
3 Eggs
50g (2oz) Plain Chocolate (70% Cocoa Solids)
1 tbsp Black Treacle
2 level tsp Baking Powder
1 tsp Vanilla Essence
½ level tsp Bicarbonate of Soda
¼ tsp Salt

Icing
450g (1lb) Sugar
150ml (¼ pint) Milk
110g (4oz) Butter
50g (2oz) Plain Chocolate (70% Cocoa Solids)
1 heaped tbsp Cocoa
1 tbsp Golden Syrup

Preheat oven to 180°C: 350°F: Gas 4.
Sift together the flour, baking powder, bicarbonate of soda and salt.
Place the chocolate and milk into a bowl over a saucepan that is over a very low heat and allow to slowly melt, then allow to cool.
Mix the butter and sugar together until creamy.
Beat the eggs and gradually add to the butter and sugar mixture, adding a little of the flour.
Stir in the treacle and vanilla essence, mixing well.
Fold in the remaining flour.
Gradually add the chocolate mixture to form a thick batter.
Divide the mixture between two 18cm (7 inch) sandwich tins.
Bake for 30 - 35 minutes.
Turn out on to a wire rack and allow to cool.

To make the icing
Place the all of the ingredients into a heavy based saucepan, heat gently until the sugar is fully dissolved.
Bring to the boil, stirring constantly.
Allow to cool for about 10 minutes, then beat until think enough to spread.
Use half of the mixture to spread between the two layers of cake.
Use the remainder to spread on top and sides of the cake.
Work quickly using a knife dipped into warm water.



Here it is TH
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 27, 2006, 09:05:38 pm
Quote from: synne on October 27, 2006, 12:12:32 pm
I know what it means to meet your beloved three-four  times per year in the middle of nowhere

Me too. It wasn't in the wilderness but it felt like the wilderness inside.

Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on October 27, 2006, 06:01:43 pm
  who could tell or predict, the way it might have changed after the big train wreck...

There was always that slim hope the boys would get their act together if Jack hadn't died. I just came to the conclusion that the odds were stacked against it. If Jack had been severely beaten or was in an accident where he barely survived that could have put a bomb under Ennis' backside!

Quote from: scudder on October 27, 2006, 03:58:46 pm

Jack seriously proposed suicide for both of them or for himself alone .  To my mind, this was a powerful catalyst to get Ennis to change, and it worked!  The two went on to own the Lazy L Farm in Quanah, Texas.

Other stories showed other motives.  So I don't think Jack's death was necessary to set the process in motion, and I think Jack's love could have been as supportive as Ellery's.


Scudder I agree that something dramatic like Jack proposing suicide or actually stating he was leaving Ennis might have done the trick. But was it in Jack to do either of those things?

Quote from: TH on October 27, 2006, 02:49:01 pm
Brokeback Mountain was about Ennis finding Jack.  LS is about Ennis finding himself...  ... and others... 

Thanks for your insightful comments TH. It is has been said that we "love what we lack". Maybe in a way Ennis' journey of self discovery began we he fell in love with Jack - he saw in Jack what he lacked in himself.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 28, 2006, 06:42:19 am
Quote from: TH on October 27, 2006, 11:46:50 pm

   "And there came the time when the pain of remaining in the bud was greater then the pain of blossoming." 

   Would that we would all receive the grace to find our own especial way to blossom.

Amen to that and to everything you said TH.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 28, 2006, 06:42:57 am
Hi everyone I,m back from my hols, but I,m not very happy. Louise what is the matter wiht LJ? Every time I try and forward onto the next chapter it says either "no such entry" or "no parameters given". I,ve been looking forward to my updates and now I cant read em!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Hi June btw. :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 28, 2006, 06:44:07 am
MagicMountain:  "But was it in Jack to do either of those things?"

That is the question.  We have seen the fantastic development of Ennis in the LS.  I don't recall seeing a similar investigation of Jack's development in any stories leading up to the meeting after the divorce or after the last confrontation by the lake.  Most of the stories concentrate on Ennis.  How about a story of Jack's growth while working in Childress and coming to grips with Ennis' "If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it."?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 28, 2006, 09:38:27 am
Quote from: souxi on October 28, 2006, 06:42:57 am
Hi everyone I,m back from my hols, but I,m not very happy. Louise what is the matter wiht LJ? Every time I try and forward onto the next chapter it says either "no such entry" or "no parameters given". I,ve been looking forward to my updates and now I cant read em!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Hi June btw. :-*

can you click directly to the links?  Some folks have had problems over the past couple of days in accessing LJ.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 28, 2006, 09:39:47 am
Quote from: scudder on October 28, 2006, 06:44:07 am
MagicMountain:  "But was it in Jack to do either of those things?"

That is the question.  We have seen the fantastic development of Ennis in the LS.  I don't recall seeing a similar investigation of Jack's development in any stories leading up to the meeting after the divorce or after the last confrontation by the lake.  Most of the stories concentrate on Ennis.  How about a story of Jack's growth while working in Childress and coming to grips with Ennis' "If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it."?

I am not quite sure what you mean with your question, scudder.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 28, 2006, 09:48:57 am
Quote from: louisev on October 28, 2006, 09:38:27 am
can you click directly to the links?  Some folks have had problems over the past couple of days in accessing LJ.

I couldnt at first Louise no. It seems to have righted itself now though, thank God. I,ve read 13 chapters all at once!! :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 28, 2006, 09:54:41 am
Quote from: souxi on October 28, 2006, 06:42:57 am
Hi everyone I,m back from my hols, but I,m not very happy. Louise what is the matter wiht LJ? Every time I try and forward onto the next chapter it says either "no such entry" or "no parameters given". I,ve been looking forward to my updates and now I cant read em!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Hi June btw. :-*

Hi Souxi darlin  :-*

SO good to see you back! I've missed you! I got your pm, gonna pm you back  :)

I'm about 2 or 3 chaps behind  :(  RL and all......
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 28, 2006, 10:26:01 am
I am glad it got cleared up, Souxi.

And I am typity typing and chatting with Natali and Leslie in the Chat room now!  Please come and join us if you would like!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 28, 2006, 10:26:30 am
Quote from: louisev on October 28, 2006, 09:39:47 am
I am not quite sure what you mean with your question, scudder.

Louise, I was wondering if Jack could have developed and grown along the way so that he could have finally gotten through to Ennis, by threathening suicide or not continuing or whatever, so that his death which did get through to Ennis, would not have been necessary.  In other words, though it did not happen n the short story, could he have developed, like you have shown Ennis' development, to such an extent that he would not have been so passive and accomodating to Ennis' wishes and could have convinced Ennis to change as you have so beutifully shown he could and did chage after Jack's death.  A totally another story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 28, 2006, 10:39:05 am
I imagine he might have done ... if there were a sufficient trigger.  But the problem with approaching it this way is of course... it requires changing the canon story.  Annie Proulx did not give us a Jack who survived.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 28, 2006, 11:19:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/141127.html  "Chapter 61:  A Can of Paint"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on October 28, 2006, 11:59:48 am
Oh dear - now I'm having trouble connecting to the LJ. Is there an alternative to it or is it just us Laramie addicts trying in thousands to get into the LJ .... probably got stuck at the entrance  :laugh:

Try again later

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 28, 2006, 12:06:13 pm
Quote from: synne on October 27, 2006, 12:12:32 pm
I read couple of reviews from my country critics about BBM, and curiously, they all agreed in one fact – the movie should be ending  after J/E final meeting , because there already was dead, already was corpse- “corpse of their relationship” as Louise mentioned, so no need for further dramatic end  for effect.
I just wish it were enough for Ennis to realize own mistakes, and he would learn  to accept himself and move forward to genuine relationship even with another man. But this scenario would probably work for different character, not Ennis. Ennis really needed the hardest blow from life – lose Jack forever; otherwise he would be until the end of his life convinced – he only did right decision. ( as always)

I can't agree with the critics you referred to that the movie should have ended after their last meeting. It might have satisfied many critics' thirst for cynicism; but the following scenes are not just for dramatic effect.  

An ending after the trailhead meeting, or after Ennis' discovery of Jack's death, would have resulted only in the crashing down of Ennis' efforts to construct a life where his sexuality could be denied and have an outlet at the same time. Yes, Ennis would need a very hard blow but to learn  to accept himself and move forward to genuine relationship even with another man would not have been possible only with that.  Ennis would have only the loss and would have had no inner resources.  To put it another way, without the last few scenes there would have been a push only, and no pull.

With all push and no pull, we have the future for Ennis that many viewers and fanfiction readers seem to crave - a life of depression, alcoholism and a bleak inner and outer landscape in general.  Consistent as this may be with the culturaly approved view of life as a nasty joke and all problems being insoluble, it would have been the difference between a tragedy and a standard-issue ain't-life-awful story.  

Or put it another way, many people have said that this story, and the film in particular, changed their lives. That would not have happened with the ending the critics you refer to would have wanted.

If RL is any indication, there's always the possibility that the very tentative steps toward self-realization could have born some good fruit in November. But you're probably right; without this life-shattering jolt he most likely would have gone on believing that he was dealing with his life and circumstances in the best way possible.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 28, 2006, 12:11:02 pm
Quote from: TH on October 27, 2006, 02:10:17 pm
    I understand that there are detractors who want to remain locked in the bittersweet and not see Ennis 'move on' - as is said...  Grow is a better term because many of us move on... but continue in the wasteland of our own inner bankruptcy (thinking of T.S. Elliot and Wasteland with it's "hollow men").  I wonder about those people... if they are in that same type of wasteland and either can't see or don't want to acknowledge, that there might be more than "measuring your life out in coffee spoons" (The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock - T. S. Elliot).

   My point in this is that, consistent with canon here... in LS we see Ennis, because of Jack's death - a backhanded gift indeed, begin or restart the journey of finding his own soul... and in the process, along the way... finding the love and resources necessary for himself... ~and~ a channel for the considerable resources that he has as an individual - commitment, loyalty, strength and power - to pour forth.

   If people want to remain in the bittersweet... then well and fine... but experience seems to teach... that bitter always overwhelms the sweet... and that an unwholesome attachment to bittersweet always leads to galling disappointment, disillusionment and despair... 

Your whole post would take several response posts to address, and I'm just replying to this part of it at present --

You're correct that Ennis' experience with Jack is not enough to overcome the psychic abuse inflicted by him on his father, and reinforced by society's tacit approval.  And after the loss, Ennis spending a certain length of time in the wilderness coming to terms with that is necessary which is why, IMO, his living alone in a spasely-furnished trailer is not necessarily a negative thing unless he never gets any further than that.  Many people in RL do not, and the result is certainly, as you say, the bitter overwhelming the sweet.

If that's the result in RL, staying in the wilderness and in grief only, it might at least partially explain some of the hostility to stories like LS.  In other words, Ennis spending the next decade, or two, three, four decades, in a blighted life might be seen as a validation: "see, this iconic character can't move beyond loss, despair and psychic imprisonment; I can't either."  And this is very understandable, but something being understandable doesn't automatically give it any positive power.  And in the case of Ennis as a character, his father triumphing over Jack certainly does not honor the relationship.  "Ennis and Jack forever" is certainly valid as far as the love enduring is concerned; "Ennis and Jack forever with Ennis remaining alone and in despair" does not.

One of the most essential ingredients for Ennis to overcome the father's evil legacy is to have not only a new love but to be in a supportive environment, something to counteract both the homophobia of the outer world and his inner fears.  In LS, that translates to not only Ellery but to Wes, Edna, etc. and even to the two daughters, as exasperating as they can be in some chapters.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 28, 2006, 01:35:58 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/141448.html  "Chapter 62:  Morning with Edna"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on October 28, 2006, 02:14:23 pm
Howdy, y'all!

I have a bit to share.  Since we all love Ellery, and therefore Hugh Jackman, I came across this adorable song parody that was posted on a Fanfic list.  It's part of a Studio 60 story titled 'Rupture' by Anne Marsh.  I have her permission to post it here.  Enjoy:

* 
"I may not always love you,
But long as there's a sky above you,
I'd tunnel underground you,
Just so I could be around you,
I just don't know what I'd do without Hugh."

"I've never seen Australia,
About her sights I can't regale ya,
But one thing you can be sure of,
Hugh Jackman's what I want more of,
And I just don't know what I'd do without Hugh."

"If you perchance should leave me,
And if the courts do not believe me,
And there's a restraining order,
I'll camp out on your border,
'Cause I just don't know what I'd do without Hugh."
*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on October 28, 2006, 02:14:49 pm
Hi All, have been away for a few days and finally caught up. Sad to see poor E & E getting this kind of treatment, but as always their friends have rallied. Lovely updates as always Louise, thanks :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 28, 2006, 02:25:17 pm
In an interview a couple of days ago in Hugh's press junket for "The Prestige" he said his favorite song he could use as a theme is Whitney Houston's song "I'll always love you" because if you listen closely, she sings "I'll always love HUGH," and pointed to himself.  It was tremendously cute!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 28, 2006, 06:57:55 pm
I am making this as official as I can get now that I am at chapter 62:

I will be going to 100 chapters in this book, taking my time and not cutting it off.  So those of you who are getting nervous because the other books went to 84 or 86, don't get nervous till we hit chapter 99.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 28, 2006, 07:40:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 28, 2006, 06:57:55 pm
I am making this as official as I can get now that I am at chapter 62:

I will be going to 100 chapters in this book, taking my time and not cutting it off.  So those of you who are getting nervous because the other books went to 84 or 86, don't get nervous till we hit chapter 99.

Yay, that's great news.  I'll have at least 15 more chapters than usual before going into panic mode.  Thanks, Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 28, 2006, 07:44:45 pm
Yay!     <DOES HAPPY DANCE>     :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 28, 2006, 09:38:52 pm
Quote from: Marge_Innavera on October 28, 2006, 12:11:02 pm

If that's the result in RL, staying in the wilderness and in grief only, it might at least partially explain some of the hostility to stories like LS.  In other words, Ennis spending the next decade, or two, three, four decades, in a blighted life might be seen as a validation: "see, this iconic character can't move beyond loss, despair and psychic imprisonment; I can't either." And this is very understandable, but something being understandable doesn't automatically give it any positive power.  And in the case of Ennis as a character, his father triumphing over Jack certainly does not honor the relationship.  "Ennis and Jack forever" is certainly valid as far as the love enduring is concerned; "Ennis and Jack forever with Ennis remaining alone and in despair" does not.


Marge - I think you are on to something here. It is very likely that our various responses to this story and the spin-off fan fiction often emerge from our personal projections on to the characters as well as our personal life views. This is why I think the film, the story and the fiction surrounding it it have such psychological power and are so potent as an agent for change (or not!) providing as it does a mirror to our inner selves. Your insight also accounts for the tremendous emotional hostility as well as partisanship which is evident in this fandom: it gets personal because we are on existential ground - and you can't get much more personal than that!

A local bookshop has this quote from W.H. Auden in the window. "A real book is not one that we read, but one that reads us." I think this statement can be applied not only to AP's story but to the film. "A real film is not one that we see but one that sees us!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 29, 2006, 06:56:48 am
100 chapters - whoop!  ;D


SPOILER


I loved the interation betwen Edna and the boys. They are so lucky to have such a loving mother figure in their lives, especially as they both lost their mothers at an early age. I really liked the frank discussion that they had about homosexuality.

As for the book the're running down at the bar - I'll say it again - those boys  ::) Is Ellery going to be mad at Lauren for his lack of discretion?

Ennis will feel much better once he's got the house painted. Am curious to see who was behind the vandalism.

Oh, and I may be onto the wrong track here but when the ADA said to Wes that he didn't need to be concerned about her having a negative attititude to Elery's sexual orientation was this a hint about her own? Just another wild supposition of mine.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 29, 2006, 07:12:16 am
well what an interesting idea, Karen!  What would I do without the interesting ideas of all the readers?

I think by now Ellery has figured out Lauren has his own problems with "letting things slip..." !!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 29, 2006, 07:13:22 am
at this early hour I am at it again.

Ennis gave me a wonderful idea during the night while I was having garish dreams.

*typity type type*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 29, 2006, 07:16:38 am
oh by the way DavidInHartford

Did you happen to notice you had an arsonist named after you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 29, 2006, 08:10:14 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/141784.html  "Chapter 63:  Feeding the Birds"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on October 29, 2006, 08:11:53 am
An arsonist?      Better than beng one of the vandals that painted Ellerys house!     LOL !

although I wouldn't mind being roughed up by Ennis though!    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 29, 2006, 08:30:56 am
I think there might be a line down the block for men at the Red Stallion who wouldn't mind getting roughed up by Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 29, 2006, 01:51:47 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/141921.html  "Chapter 64: The Pool"

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 29, 2006, 02:29:13 pm
Louise ~

This looks like More than One chapter a day to me!   :-\  I thought you promised to drag it out longer ..  :(
..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 29, 2006, 02:31:02 pm
This is gonna seem out there .. but ..
Do we have a  Bunny Ruskin yet?

If no.. how about .. (she has just spotted Ennis in the vicinity .. well, before she discovered that masculine Ennis is into men..lol)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/09507206.jpg)


Actually, there is a woman who works in the same building I work in, who would be perfect for Bunny.  But I daren't ask her if I can take her picture to post here .. lol ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 29, 2006, 03:50:01 pm
oh my god, what a perfect Bunny Ruskin!!!!

Holy cow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on October 29, 2006, 03:58:29 pm
Quote from: scudder on October 28, 2006, 10:26:30 am
I was wondering if Jack could have developed and grown along the way so that he could have finally gotten through to Ennis

Scudder, there are plenty of 'AU' (alternative universe) stories which work on exactly this premise.  It's true that many tend to focus on Ennis and Jack as a couple without much reference to Jack's life in Texas, although I have tried to balance my own story - Ennis on the Couch (http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/720327.html#cutid1 (http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/720327.html#cutid1)) with depictions of Jack's life with Lureen and Bobby while keeping the main focus of the piece on Ennis.  I would actually have liked to write about Jack but as Louise has shown us in LS, Ennis is a complex character with a great deal of potential for growth, given the right catalysts.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 29, 2006, 04:22:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 29, 2006, 03:50:01 pm
oh my god, what a perfect Bunny Ruskin!!!!

Holy cow!

Glad you approve Ms L!
I had to up the lipstick and eye-shadow abit more!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 29, 2006, 04:25:25 pm
so I see.. .yes, what a perfect Bunny!  Drunk as a skunk, and horny as a rabbit!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 29, 2006, 04:53:50 pm
Oh Lucise, I almost died laughing at your LJ comment:

Ennis has really gotta learn to unlock the cuffs when they are done playing 'cops and bandits-with-hard-ons'!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on October 29, 2006, 06:14:43 pm
Quote from: merrobot on October 29, 2006, 03:58:29 pm
Scudder, there are plenty of 'AU' (alternative universe) stories which work on exactly this premise.  It's true that many tend to focus on Ennis and Jack as a couple without much reference to Jack's life in Texas, although I have tried to balance my own story - Ennis on the Couch (http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/720327.html#cutid1 (http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/720327.html#cutid1)) with depictions of Jack's life with Lureen and Bobby while keeping the main focus of the piece on Ennis.  I would actually have liked to write about Jack but as Louise has shown us in LS, Ennis is a complex character with a great deal of potential for growth, given the right catalysts.

Thank you for your comments, Merrobot.  I think you understand what I mean about Jack.  Granted, Ennis is a complex character, but I think Jack is too.  After all, he had a horrendous childhood.  I am looking forward to reading your story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 29, 2006, 08:02:53 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 29, 2006, 04:53:50 pm
Oh Lucise, I almost died laughing at your LJ comment:

Ennis has really gotta learn to unlock the cuffs when they are done playing 'cops and bandits-with-hard-ons'!!

Well, it's true aint it? lol..  Ellery was royally pissed when Ennis took off to answer the door, leaving him like that.. and who can blame him?  ;D
(Sssshhh..don't tell Ellery but I thought the whole thing was kinda amusing! lol..)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 30, 2006, 03:49:39 am
Ellery ain't gonna be happy about you laughin at em, Lucise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 30, 2006, 03:56:36 am
Quote from: louisev on October 30, 2006, 03:49:39 am
Ellery ain't gonna be happy about you laughin at em, Lucise.

How about you make up with a nice picture of Ellery, Lucise? I sure could use one on a monday morning!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 30, 2006, 05:35:57 am
I think that would be only fair!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 30, 2006, 05:57:05 am
Quote from: louisev on October 29, 2006, 04:25:25 pm
so I see.. .yes, what a perfect Bunny!  Drunk as a skunk, and horny as a rabbit!

LOL!  :D

OH Milli! She *is* SO perfect!

Thank You! You always come up with the most amazing pics!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 30, 2006, 06:02:53 am
Quote from: louisev on October 28, 2006, 06:57:55 pm
I am making this as official as I can get now that I am at chapter 62:

I will be going to 100 chapters in this book, taking my time and not cutting it off.  So those of you who are getting nervous because the other books went to 84 or 86, don't get nervous till we hit chapter 99.

 :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*

I was getting REALLY nervous, it's eased off a little bit now. Whew!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 30, 2006, 06:04:58 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on October 30, 2006, 03:56:36 am
How about you make up with a nice picture of Ellery, Lucise? I sure could use one on a monday morning!  :)

Yep, I agree. It's been a while  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 30, 2006, 01:52:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 30, 2006, 03:49:39 am
Ellery ain't gonna be happy about you laughin at em, Lucise.

But he is not going to find out ..is he?  ;D  You wouldn't tell him..right?...right Louise?  ???


Quote from: belbbmfan on October 30, 2006, 03:56:36 am
How about you make up with a nice picture of Ellery, Lucise? I sure could use one on a monday morning!  :)

Okay ..okay .. I suppose Ellery won't mind me showing these to you again ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/e29af7b4-1.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/805dd458.jpg)


..But one more thing ..
Don't tell Ennis you saw these!!!  The sight of Ellery in his drawers is for his eyes ONLY.. so sshh! lol..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 30, 2006, 02:02:24 pm
well thank you kindly Lucise!

 ;D

and no, i won't tell!  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 30, 2006, 02:52:34 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/142268.html  "Chapter 65:  Rapunzel"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on October 30, 2006, 03:26:50 pm
Spoilers /comments..............

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I love them when they are so normal about themselves and everything, like the housekeeping etc.
And combing Ellery's hair, that is something intimate and special to them both.

Hope the camera works.

Had to laugh about Ennis "Maybe I'm getting used to it!"
I have to say, I loved the shampoo/conditioner conversation, I can so see Ennis not knowing the differences in the bottles-what a kill!!
very special!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 30, 2006, 07:28:55 pm
"And they clung to one another, inseparable, as the hostile night was driven back beyond the plywood securing their window from those who could not understand or appreciate their inexpressible joy."

You know this quote from the end of chapter 58 could be applied to those who do not appreciate this story. They hurl rocks at the window failing to comprehend the joy we all take in this fabulous fic!.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 30, 2006, 07:35:13 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on October 30, 2006, 07:28:55 pm
"And they clung to one another, inseparable, as the hostile night was driven back beyond the plywood securing their window from those who could not understand or appreciate their inexpressible joy."

You know this quote from the end of chapter 58 could be applied to those who do not appreciate this story. They hurl rocks at the window failing to comprehend the joy we all take in this fabulous fic!.



I agree Jo.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on October 31, 2006, 03:35:53 am
Lucise, love the Bunny Ruskin pic!!! :laugh: It's just perfect!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on October 31, 2006, 03:42:45 am
Louise,  I was thrilled to hear that there will be 100 chapters in the current book.  RL is kicking me in the butt at the moment, and I am a few chapters behind, and I was so afraid that you would wrap up the fic while I was otherwise occupied.  Now I get to look forward to lots more chapters, spread out a little more than usual.  I hope to be able to spend more time here, soon, concentrating on what is really important.  To hell with all that stupid real life crap! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 03:58:23 am
To hell with all that stupid real life crap


Amen to that Laurel. Our boys are far more important than RL lol. Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) :-* I said it on LJ but I really loved that last chapter Louise. It was just lovely. Of course now wer,e all bracing ourselves for the ravishing bit lol. Well I know June is, arnt you? ;D Go on admit it lol. ;D I know what your like missy. ;) ;) ;D ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 05:41:11 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 30, 2006, 07:28:55 pm
"And they clung to one another, inseparable, as the hostile night was driven back beyond the plywood securing their window from those who could not understand or appreciate their inexpressible joy."

You know this quote from the end of chapter 58 could be applied to those who do not appreciate this story. They hurl rocks at the window failing to comprehend the joy we all take in this fabulous fic!.



Jo, in your inimitable clever way you have perceived the story within the story!!!  Yes, there are stone-throwers, those who believe they are the keepers of the true spirit of BBM, dictating to others what they should read and what they should like.  There is room for all kinds of BBM fan fics here, and the Laramie Saga is one of them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 06:02:21 am
Okay guys, I just got dragged off to the boss's office, who just found out I can't sign a new contract because of a clause in the old one, and apparently righteousness pays off since they just extended me till end of November.

The wolf gets pushed back from the door for another month!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 31, 2006, 06:12:59 am
Quote from: louisev on October 31, 2006, 06:02:21 am
Okay guys, I just got dragged off to the boss's office, who just found out I can't sign a new contract because of a clause in the old one, and apparently righteousness pays off since they just extended me till end of November.

The wolf gets pushed back from the door for another month!

Good news, you have at least one more month to sort things out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 08:50:06 am
yes, very very good news.  Now I can say with certainty that I will be completing the Saga within calendar November. I was thinking I would have to hurry and do it all and then move, and now I won't have to move until after November!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 09:02:54 am
*yeee HAWWW!* 

Folks!  We went over 400 pages!  And sometime soon we will go over 6,000 posts!  Holey moley you folks talk alot.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 09:04:48 am
That is very good news for you Louise, must be one less thing for you to worry about. But the LS is still going to come to an end in November. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I shall have to get busy with my printer.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 09:15:50 am
well I do have a new plan... *muah hahahahaha*

and that is to assemble a printed fanzine.  It's just a theory right now, and it will take some work, because I want to iron out some of the continuity errors that occurred from the first three books about Ellery's age and parents and college stuff, but I am sort of liking the idea.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 09:20:13 am
Louise you are an angel sent to us from heaven, I love you lol. Yippeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!! The artwork in SN was awsome, I cant imagine what it would be like in LS. Oh thats brilliant news, I,ll hold off on the printing then. Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 09:28:11 am
That having been said... this could take a little while.  And of course, I would be enlisting the inimitable Lucise! in illustrating it for me, using the likenesses of our boys in their most desired poses. ahem.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on October 31, 2006, 09:29:14 am

Souxi that is some mood swing!

From

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

to

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :)

from one post to the next!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 09:35:20 am
Quite right too Louise. You,d have to get their *ahem* poses right wouldnt you? Make sure everything was in it,s rightful place. *ahem*  ;) ;) ;) We could always give the pictures a thorough going over for you couldnt we peeps?  The fact that it would mean spending HOURS looking at pics of our boys in their various *ahem* poses, is NO trouble atall. ;) We,d be only too happy to help. Wouldnt we June? ;) ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 09:37:54 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 31, 2006, 09:29:14 am
Souxi that is some mood swing!

From

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

to

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :)

from one post to the next!

Hahahaha JO, lol. As you can probably guess, I was very excited in my second post lol. Had a hot flush in fact. phew!! :o :o ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 31, 2006, 09:47:03 am
Quote from: louisev on October 31, 2006, 06:02:21 am
Okay guys, I just got dragged off to the boss's office, who just found out I can't sign a new contract because of a clause in the old one, and apparently righteousness pays off since they just extended me till end of November.

The wolf gets pushed back from the door for another month!

Glad to hear that Louise. Takes the pressure off for a bit longer.

That last chapter was lovely - warm and fuzzy.  ;D  I do love those boys together.

Having a bit of a pants days at work on top of trying to sell our flat and buy a new place (solicitors fees - my God!!!), so these little interludes are keeping me going.  :)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 09:59:04 am
what is a "pants day" ?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 31, 2006, 10:00:32 am
Nice new avatar, Louise...and congrats on the work situation!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 31, 2006, 10:02:05 am
6000 posts!

I never imagined, when I started this thread, that it would turn into one of the most popular threads at Bettermost. How many new members have joined because of this story? How many good times have we shared, as well as serious discussions?

And we have many chapters to go and when the Saga is done, we can all start back at the beginning and re-analyze the whole thing.

Congratulations, everyone!

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 10:07:08 am
Quote from: louisev on October 31, 2006, 09:59:04 am
what is a "pants day" ?

That means she,s having a crap day Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 10:47:53 am
oh. OH. thanks for the translation souxi!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 31, 2006, 10:49:05 am
Quote from: souxi on October 31, 2006, 10:07:08 am
That means she,s having a crap day Louise.

Yep Souxi, you hit the nail on the head.

Of course there is the more exciting definition of pants as in the pants that Ennis and Ellery like to tear off each other  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 31, 2006, 11:22:16 am
Quote from: magicmountain on October 30, 2006, 07:28:55 pm
"And they clung to one another, inseparable, as the hostile night was driven back beyond the plywood securing their window from those who could not understand or appreciate their inexpressible joy."

You know this quote from the end of chapter 58 could be applied to those who do not appreciate this story. They hurl rocks at the window failing to comprehend the joy we all take in this fabulous fic!.



I recently got a glimpse of the depth the stonethrowers have sunken to. It is beyond belief.  >:(
You are so right Jo, they really can't and won't understand the joy.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on October 31, 2006, 11:26:16 am
Louise,

good news about the job  :) (maybe they'll even extend untill December?)

very nice avatar!

and absolutely wonderful news about the fanzine!!! I have printed the previous books already as you know, but an illustrated copy, that will be much better. great idea!  :)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on October 31, 2006, 11:46:47 am
Quote from: louisev on October 31, 2006, 09:15:50 am
well I do have a new plan... *muah hahahahaha*

and that is to assemble a printed fanzine.  It's just a theory right now, and it will take some work, because I want to iron out some of the continuity errors that occurred from the first three books about Ellery's age and parents and college stuff, but I am sort of liking the idea.

Everybody is excited about this idea, but what is a 'fanzine'?  I've never heard of this term here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 12:00:02 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 31, 2006, 10:49:05 am
Yep Souxi, you hit the nail on the head.

Of course there is the more exciting definition of pants as in the pants that Ennis and Ellery like to tear off each other  ;)

Karen

This of course is by far the more interesting version. ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 31, 2006, 12:39:22 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 31, 2006, 03:58:23 am
To hell with all that stupid real life crap


Amen to that Laurel. Our boys are far more important than RL lol. Mornin all. Mornin June. ;) :-* I said it on LJ but I really loved that last chapter Louise. It was just lovely. Of course now wer,e all bracing ourselves for the ravishing bit lol. Well I know June is, arnt you? ;D Go on admit it lol. ;D I know what your like missy. ;) ;) ;D ;D :laugh:

Heh heh LOL souxi darlin! SO good to have you back!  ;D  You do, do you?? LOL  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on October 31, 2006, 12:40:43 pm
Hey, are we going to find out what's up with Ennis's hearing?  That's been worrying me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 31, 2006, 12:41:24 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 31, 2006, 09:15:50 am
well I do have a new plan... *muah hahahahaha*

and that is to assemble a printed fanzine.  It's just a theory right now, and it will take some work, because I want to iron out some of the continuity errors that occurred from the first three books about Ellery's age and parents and college stuff, but I am sort of liking the idea.

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! Louise! that is SO SO great!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 31, 2006, 12:44:46 pm
Quote from: MadLori on October 31, 2006, 12:40:43 pm
Hey, are we going to find out what's up with Ennis's hearing?  That's been worrying me.

Oh yeah, Lori, been worrying me too  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 31, 2006, 12:45:20 pm
Quote from: MadLori on October 31, 2006, 12:40:43 pm
Hey, are we going to find out what's up with Ennis's hearing?  That's been worrying me.

I bet we are, but it is only Friday evening in Laramie. I guess we have to wait, at least until Monday, for Ennis to make an appointment with the doctor.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 12:46:50 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 31, 2006, 12:44:46 pm
Oh yeah, Lori, been worrying me too  :(

Maybe he just needs his ears syringed. I had that done once. Everything is SO loud!! I,ts really anoying. You can hear a bat squeak a mile away lol. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 12:48:31 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 31, 2006, 12:41:24 pm
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! Louise! that is SO SO great!  :-*

It certainly is June..can you just imagine the artwork in it? :o :o :o :o woooooweeeeeeeee!!! lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 12:51:50 pm
ok, my interview has been postponed till later in the eveing, so I am starting on today's chapter now
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 31, 2006, 01:08:12 pm
Quote from: souxi on October 31, 2006, 12:48:31 pm
It certainly is June..can you just imagine the artwork in it? :o :o :o :o woooooweeeeeeeee!!! lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D :laugh:

Yep, especially if Milli's gonna lend a  helping hand!  ;D  *fans self* LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 01:19:19 pm
I haven't locked Milli in yet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on October 31, 2006, 01:46:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 31, 2006, 01:19:19 pm
I haven't locked Milli in yet.

Here you go Louise. She,ll never escape if you put this on the door. ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 02:16:34 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/142528.html  "Chapter 66:  Hide and Seek"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 31, 2006, 02:18:50 pm

What's this about locking me up?  ???   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 31, 2006, 02:21:11 pm
A slightly creepy pic to celebrate E & E ..
It is Halloween after all ...  ;D



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f94ca92f.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 03:20:06 pm
not locking you UP Milli, locking you IN... to the fanzine project.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 31, 2006, 03:28:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 31, 2006, 03:20:06 pm
not locking you UP Milli, locking you IN... to the fanzine project.

Not locking me up ..phew ..good! lol..

Louise, we can discuss more about this for sure!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 03:45:16 pm
of course, for producing such superior cover artwork and possibly even additional commissioned pieces...

there would certainly be some $$ in it for you. But it is not something I am going to rush. I have this little matter of finding a new job and moving to attend to first!  And finishing the next 44 chapters of "The Red Stallion."  *light merry laughter.*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 31, 2006, 04:03:51 pm
Louise - When the time is right, holler at me and we can talk more about it!


44 chapters and 1 chapter a day ..that should take us into December ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 04:07:58 pm
Mill:

You did that beautiful orange-toned cover when you did your printout for the Laramie Saga:  should we use that as the "official" Fanzine cover for the Laramie Saga?  I just love those colors.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 04:11:42 pm
...and yes... I am writing another chapter tonight.

For the rest of you folks tonight is Halloween, but for Deutschland - tonight is the night before the November 1 holiday!  No sleepy early for me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 31, 2006, 04:18:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on October 31, 2006, 04:07:58 pm
Mill:

You did that beautiful orange-toned cover when you did your printout for the Laramie Saga:  should we use that as the "official" Fanzine cover for the Laramie Saga?  I just love those colors.


That sounds like a good idea, but I wonder about copyrights ..
Most of the pictures I use are just from random sites online with no copyright restrictions on them, but it never stopped me before because I was just amusing myself and not intending to sell/publish anything ..lol

How does that work with fanzines?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 31, 2006, 04:31:51 pm
LOVED the "creepy pic " Milli! Hell, I just love everything you make!

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 04:36:45 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"


http://louisev.livejournal.com/142611.html  "Chapter 67:  The Rumpus Room"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 31, 2006, 04:59:57 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on October 31, 2006, 04:31:51 pm
LOVED the "creepy pic " Milli! Hell, I just love everything you make!
 :-*

Aww .. Cheers June!

You are always so generous with compliments ..  ;D.. So what better gift for you than HUGH ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/17323863.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 05:02:09 pm
Everyone, please, a moment of silence while we collectively sigh over Hugh's hazel eyes and dreamy gaze.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on October 31, 2006, 05:12:48 pm
Loud *sigh*  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 31, 2006, 05:27:57 pm
Mmmmmm... I'd chase him round the house too! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on October 31, 2006, 06:04:31 pm
Quote from: Kazza on October 31, 2006, 05:27:57 pm
Mmmmmm... I'd chase him round the house too! 

I'd do so much more than chasing Karen! Heh heh

 ;D

Thanks Milli!! We couldn't have wished for a lovelier gift.....gorgeous *dreamy sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on October 31, 2006, 06:39:16 pm
Time to resume normal service.  ;D

SPOILERS



Well, what can we say about the past two chapters. The first one -  :o. Wow! Ennis and Ellery are just so much more relaxed and playful. They've been through a lot (haven't they though) as they discovered each other and each others strengths and weaknesses, likes and dislikes, areas of vunerability. Now they've reached a level of real partnership, the majority of insecurites from past experiences put to rest. I'm just loving the way that they are now. The last lines of chapter 58 expressed it perfectly, them clinging together against those in the world who refuse to understand their love.

As for the Jeeves/Dupree situation - well, that's shaping up to be interesting. I think that they're just friends, but, but, who knows what a few hours in the rumpus room might lead to...

Karen

Totally OT but anyone else out there following Torchwood (Dr Who spinoff on the BBC). It's fab and the lead guy John Barrowman is lush! I can just see him propping up the bar at the Red Stallion, and being very popular indeed! If any suitable new characters crop up I might have to propose him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 31, 2006, 07:08:33 pm
Normal service resuming ..and off I go on another tangent here ..

Leslie talked of closing the Jeeves Poll but it still looks open..we better decide on Jeeves before the Saga ends!!  ;D
So far, Rupert is winning with 38.1 % of the votes ..

Can we just call him the winner and add him to the Gallery already? lol..
(can ya tell I voted for him?  :P )


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Celebres/9fa5a3f9.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on October 31, 2006, 07:40:16 pm
he'll do, but he needs a little grey at the temples methinks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on October 31, 2006, 08:15:13 pm
I'll go with Rupert since my main man, Pastor Fred, seems to be losing handily...sorry, Fred!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 31, 2006, 10:38:59 pm
I was just reading Chapter 61 and realised we don't have the A.D.A. Samuelson yet ..
So how about these options?  I can't remember if she is supposed to be blonde or not, but #3 is my pick!  :)


#1
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/9de9b018.jpg)

#2
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/41acb487-1.jpg)

#3
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/41acb487.jpg)

Okay, back to reading ..lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on October 31, 2006, 11:15:53 pm
From Chapter 62 or so ..


EDNA's RASPBERRY TART recipe ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/5f2a948f.jpg)


1 cup whole milk
1/2 vanilla bean, halved lengthwise
1/3 cup sugar
4 1/2 teaspoons all-purpose flour
3 large egg yolks
4 teaspoons unsalted butter
1/2 cup apricot jam
2 teaspoons kirsch or brandy
1 (10-inch) pastry crust, fully baked in a tart pan with a removable bottom, recipe follows
1 to 1 1/2 pints fresh raspberries

To make the pastry cream, in a medium pot combine the milk and vanilla bean, scraping the vanilla seeds into the pot. Scald over medium heat. Remove from the heat.

In a medium bowl, mix the sugar and flour. Add the egg yolks and beat until pale yellow and frothy. Whisking constantly, add 1/3 cup of the hot milk to the egg mixture, then beat back into the hot milk. Return to medium heat, and whisking constantly, cook until thick, 3 to 5 minutes. Remove from the heat and strain through a fine mesh strainer into a clean bowl, and discard the vanilla bean. Stir in the butter. Cover with plastic wrap, pressing down against the surface to prevent a skin from forming. Refrigerate until cool, about 2 hours.

In a small saucepan, combine the jam and kirsch and heat until dissolved. Remove from the heat and let cool slightly.

Spread the pastry cream evenly over the pastry crust. Arrange the fruit in an even, decorative pattern over the cream and brush with the jam glaze. Let sit for 10 minutes before serving.


Basic Sweet Crust:
1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
2 teaspoons sugar
1/4 teaspoon salt
4 ounces (1 stick) cold butter, cut into 1/4-inch pieces
2 tablespoons solid vegetable shortening
2 to 3 tablespoons ice water

Sift the flour, sugar, and salt into a large bowl. Using your fingers, work in the butter and shortening until the mixture resembles coarse crumbs. Add 2 tablespoons of ice water and work with your fingers until the water is incorporated and the dough comes together. Add more water as needed to make a smooth dough, being careful not to over-mix. Form the dough into a disk, wrap tightly in plastic wrap, and let rest in the refrigerator for at least 30 minutes.

Preheat the oven to 400 degrees F.

On a lightly floured surface, roll out the dough to fit into a 10-inch tart pan with a removable bottom. Press the dough into the pan and cut until trim with the edges. Line with parchment pastry and pie weights or dry beans, and bake until set, 12 to 15 minutes. Remove the paper and weights and bake until golden brown, 10 to 15 minutes.

Remove from the oven and cool on a wire rack until ready to fill.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 01, 2006, 12:51:28 am
From Chapter 16--The Part Timer:( and our introduction to the new female ADA:

"Dupree looked up, about to answer, but Ellery had bolted out of the room. By the time he got to his feet and followed, he was already halfway to Interview Two with a very tall brunette with wide brimmed schoolmarm glasses."


So  I think we will have to keep looking cause she is supposed to be brunette. a TALL brunette, with glasses.
LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 01, 2006, 01:05:53 am
Ah..she is a brunette! 
The blonde above has miraculously grown darker hair ..lol  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/7e4e6f6f.jpg)

Ok..let's keep looking!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 01, 2006, 01:13:08 am
I actually could handle that change and see it working.
She doesn't have to wear glasses all the time or maybe has contacts part time. 

That picture gives a feeling of strength and being competent, without a lot of attitude.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 01, 2006, 02:03:31 am
Ellery can be angelic …

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh10.jpg)

…or a little devilish!

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh11A.jpg)

Either way Ennis always looks at him adoringly.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ebf93068-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 01, 2006, 04:47:42 am
OMG - I LOVE these pics, Jo! The one of Heath is brilliant, just adorable. Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 01, 2006, 05:16:53 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 01, 2006, 04:47:42 am
OMG - I LOVE these pics, Jo! The one of Heath is brilliant, just adorable. Thanks!  :)

That's my all time favourite pic of Heath!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 01, 2006, 05:55:33 am
Quote from: Lucise on October 31, 2006, 10:38:59 pm
I was just reading Chapter 61 and realised we don't have the A.D.A. Samuelson yet ..
So how about these options?  I can't remember if she is supposed to be blonde or not, but #3 is my pick!  :)


#1
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/9de9b018.jpg)

#2
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/41acb487-1.jpg)

#3
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/41acb487.jpg)

Okay, back to reading ..lol

She is blond and very beautifrul. She apparently looks like a model.

UPDATE: Nevermind, Samuelson is a brunette. I got confused with Dupree's girlfriend description. SORRY!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 01, 2006, 07:23:07 am
Natali where did you get that description of her as a blonde?

Ok, EDIT:  Apparently there is a confusion between Janice Anselm - Dupree's leggy blonde nurse girlfriend, and A.D.A Paula Samuelson, towering at nearly 6 feet in height, brunette, with wide-brimmed schoolmarm glasses, graduate from Ithaca.  Ranchgal's quote is from chapter 16 and is the correct one for Samuelson.

Sorry for the confusion Milli!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 01, 2006, 09:40:01 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/142865.html  "Chapter 68:  Someone Like You"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 01, 2006, 10:04:34 am
I don't know if ADA Samuelson's age has been mentioned, but in my mind (a dark and disturbing place) I pictured her somewhere in her late 30s.

I am having an even worse day than yesterday. More pantsified in fact.  :(

Thank God there is a brand new chapter of The Laramie Saga to enjoy with my lunch.  ;D

Thank you Louise.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 01, 2006, 10:14:15 am
SPOILER!!

Quote from: louisev on November 01, 2006, 09:40:01 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/142865.html  "Chapter 68:  Someone Like You"

Dupree did the right thing in being honest, but I still felt bad for Jeeves. He doesn't seem like a bad guy. Hopefully they become very good friends.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 01, 2006, 10:24:55 am
Quote from: louisev on November 01, 2006, 09:40:01 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/142865.html  "Chapter 68:  Someone Like You"

SPOILER


That was a lovely chapter.

Jeeves is wooing Dupree. That's what it is, a courtship, and he was so gentle about it.

I like that Dupree was honest without being hurtful.

Of course tongues will be awagging down at the Red Stallion, especially as Dupree is going to spend the night.

I wonder if Ellery will be able to control himself and not make any comment  :)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 01, 2006, 10:27:12 am
for everybody who doesn't yet know how much I love Milli for being such a talented fan artist:  here is the posting I made on BBM_Phoenix archive for the "Laramie Saga", using Milli's lovely cover art for the collected works!

 http://community.livejournal.com/bbm_phoenix/tag/author:+louisev

And from now on I am putting Millie's fanart cover on all of my updates so that she can get a little well-deserved "exposure" !
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 01, 2006, 10:52:51 am
Wow Millie, that's just beautiful! What a talent you are  :)

thanks for posting that louise.
and thank you for the latest chapter. Interesting!


spoiler

Dupree was a perfect gentleman, he let Jeeves down very gently.
But boy, this will certainly send the boys at the Red Stallion in gossip overdrive!  ;)



 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 01, 2006, 11:11:33 am
Quote from: louisev on November 01, 2006, 10:27:12 am
for everybody who doesn't yet know how much I love Milli for being such a talented fan artist:  here is the posting I made on BBM_Phoenix archive for the "Laramie Saga", using Milli's lovely cover art for the collected works!

 http://community.livejournal.com/bbm_phoenix/tag/author:+louisev

And from now on I am putting Millie's fanart cover on all of my updates so that she can get a little well-deserved "exposure" !

Absolutely beautiful. All of it is so gorgeous, the colours, the pics.....everything WOW  :)

Great idea, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 01, 2006, 11:27:20 am
Good morning everyone,

No particular reason for this post, I just wanted to show off my new signature. Louise wrote it for me, but I came up with the title. LOL!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 01, 2006, 12:01:10 pm
Quote from: opinionista on November 01, 2006, 05:55:33 am
She is blond and very beautifrul. She apparently looks like a model.

UPDATE: Nevermind, Samuelson is a brunette. I got confused with Dupree's girlfriend description. SORRY!

I vote for #3, with the darkened 'edit'.  Just seems to be the most in-character hairstyle for her.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 01, 2006, 12:02:43 pm
I doubt any of the boys at the Red Stallion will know anything more about it, unless Wayne was lurking in the bushes and followed them. LOL


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Jeremy and Jeeves seem to have reached an understanding, and any violation of such confidence would violate trust, I don't see either of them talking to anyone about the conclusions they reached.
Jeeves doesn't want to upset any chances he may have in the future, depending on Jeremy's decisions, and Jeremy is not going to encourage any gossip about the two of them.  Because he has made his own position more clear.
Don't see it going anywhere else, until the point of there being any new developements.
But that is just my own thoughts on it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 01, 2006, 12:03:55 pm
Mmmm  <imagines Dupree and his Army buddy kissing>    :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 01, 2006, 12:20:05 pm
*covered with mud* David.

In Army uniforms.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 01, 2006, 12:22:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 01, 2006, 12:20:05 pm
*covered with mud* David.

In Army uniforms.

Ooooh delicious Louise  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 01, 2006, 12:33:13 pm
SPOILER!


Quote from: ranchgal on November 01, 2006, 12:02:43 pm
I doubt any of the boys at the Red Stallion will know anything more about it, unless Wayne was lurking in the bushes and followed them. LOL


Spoilers;
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Jeremy and Jeeves seem to have reached an understanding, and any violation of such confidence would violate trust, I don't see either of them talking to anyone about the conclusions they reached.
Jeeves doesn't want to upset any chances he may have in the future, depending on Jeremy's decisions, and Jeremy is not going to encourage any gossip about the two of them.  Because he has made his own position more clear.
Don't see it going anywhere else, until the point of there being any new developements.
But that is just my own thoughts on it.

I agree but big mouth Lauren and his boyfriend Simon know they left together! So we'll see!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 01, 2006, 12:41:19 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 01, 2006, 11:27:20 am
Good morning everyone,

No particular reason for this post, I just wanted to show off my new signature. Louise wrote it for me, but I came up with the title. LOL!

Leslie


and good evening to you leslie, you lucky woman!

Jack: "I love you, cowboy."

Ennis: "I love you, cowboy."

Jack: "I said it first."

Ennis: "I meant it more."

A Little Bit of Schmoopy Steel


SCHMOOPY! YAY!

 :laugh:  :laugh:

very good
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 01, 2006, 12:44:01 pm
er. did I already post this?

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/143199.html  "Chapter 69:  A Morning Visitor"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 01, 2006, 01:40:26 pm
SPOILER

Quote from: louisev on November 01, 2006, 12:44:01 pm
er. did I already post this?

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/143199.html  "Chapter 69:  A Morning Visitor"

I feel bad for Pete because he has certainly gone through a lot, but I also feel bad Wayne. I agree that he's been misbehaving and acting like a total jerk lately, but we ought to remember that he's got AIDS. I've never suffered from any fatal disease, so I can't even imagine what it is like to live with something like that. But as Ennis would put it, it must hurt like a sumbitch, especially for someone as young as Wayne is. It must be very hard for him to go on living knowing he has no real future to look forward to. IMO all this bitterness towards Pete clearly shows how much Wayne is hurting, and how shallowly his pain lays beneath his cheerful attitude, calling himself Typhoid Mary, being naughty and having fun at the bar.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 01, 2006, 02:48:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 01, 2006, 10:27:12 am
for everybody who doesn't yet know how much I love Milli for being such a talented fan artist:  here is the posting I made on BBM_Phoenix archive for the "Laramie Saga", using Milli's lovely cover art for the collected works!

 http://community.livejournal.com/bbm_phoenix/tag/author:+louisev

And from now on I am putting Millie's fanart cover on all of my updates so that she can get a little well-deserved "exposure" !

Wow.. it's lookin good Louise!   ;D
I never heard of the bbm_phoenix community before now!
Maybe I'll join and post some of my bbm fanart there!
Cheers Louise!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 01, 2006, 03:01:12 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 01, 2006, 02:48:57 pm
Wow.. it's lookin good Louise!   ;D
I never heard of the bbm_phoenix community before now!
Maybe I'll join and post some of my bbm fanart there!
Cheers Louise!  ;)


I think that is an EXCELLENT idea, Milli....I was going to suggest this to you.

It is a new archive, just started this week. I have been friended, but haven't had a chance to post any of my stuff. I'll put your cover with ALBFS when I get it up there, okay?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 01, 2006, 03:07:35 pm
Sure thing Leslie!
I just submitted a request to join the community, so I'll wait and see if they friend me!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 01, 2006, 05:23:03 pm
So ..

While we are choosing the ADA Samuelson, why don't we cast Pete?  Can you believe we have no no-spleen Pete ..  :o

Okay, so I like this lad for Pete (I am told that the fact that he has no spleen should not necessarily be evident in the pic ..  ;D .. )

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/132d7349.jpg)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HawtBods/080dfe01.jpg)

.. Other suggestions folks?  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 01, 2006, 05:40:11 pm
SPOILER



Ahhh... poor Pete. At least he's copped himself on and chucked Wayne out. I understand that Wayne must be hurting with all that he's having to deal with, but alienating his friends isn't going to help. Maybe Ellery needs to have a word and try and figure out why he's being so distructive.

Ennis was being nice in his own gruff way. I mean, making biscuits, gestures don't get more friendly and considerate than that.

Now two questions - what is going on with Ennis's hearing, and will the appearance of a copy of that tape cause any fireworks? I'm still curious to know what Ennis's reaction to watching it was.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 01, 2006, 05:43:12 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 01, 2006, 05:40:11 pm
SPOILER

Now two questions - what is going on with Ennis's hearing, and will the appearance of a copy of that tape cause any fireworks? I'm still curious to know what Ennis's reaction to watching it was.

Karen

I expect we will be reading about Ennis' trip to the doctor soon!  I hope .. right Louise?   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 01, 2006, 06:07:11 pm
yes indeed.... they let it slide on Friday it appears.

I am just sort of floating back to earth after watching the first two Xmen films... holy HELL that leather catsuit is sexy.

Meow!  I need a little time to pull my head back together.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 01, 2006, 06:29:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 01, 2006, 06:07:11 pm
yes indeed.... they let it slide on Friday it appears.

I am just sort of floating back to earth after watching the first two Xmen films... holy HELL that leather catsuit is sexy.

Meow!  I need a little time to pull my head back together.

Hee hee Louise, I can't think of a credible storyline that would involve Ellery in an outfit of that nature. Mabe Ennis will visit that 'other' bar and decide that leather has other uses than for belts and saddles.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 01, 2006, 06:42:39 pm
Well the stats are in, folks, today we had a 10 day high in host connections and an 8 day high in number of hits.  I think the Dupree/Jeeves plot line really hit a chord with the readership.  Good thing there is going to be more with Dupree and/or with Jeeves!!!

Or maybe it was Pete with no spleen.  Who do you think people logged in to read?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 01, 2006, 07:06:18 pm
Louise ~  Good luck trying to get over Hugh in the sexy leather suit .. :D

I met a guy at a party last weekend who mentioned that his friend..(not he himself apparently..) would always rent some cartoons when he rents a porn movie or two ..LOL. The idea is that the cartoons will balance out or somehow neutralise the 'high' from the ..umm..erotic movies.  ;D

So try cartoons!  They may help!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 01, 2006, 07:20:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 01, 2006, 06:42:39 pm
Well the stats are in, folks, today we had a 10 day high in host connections and an 8 day high in number of hits.  I think the Dupree/Jeeves plot line really hit a chord with the readership.  Good thing there is going to be more with Dupree and/or with Jeeves!!!

Or maybe it was Pete with no spleen.  Who do you think people logged in to read?

Well, it was Dupree for me. I've been really curious about his sexuality for months now, you know that! But funnily enough the thought of him with Jeeves just isnt very hot to me! And I don't really know why  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 01, 2006, 07:22:05 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 01, 2006, 07:06:18 pm
Louise ~  Good luck trying to get over Hugh in the sexy leather suit .. :D

I met a guy at a party last weekend who mentioned that his friend..(not he himself apparently..) would always rent some cartoons when he rents a porn movie or two ..LOL. The idea is that the cartoons will balance out or somehow neutralise the 'high' from the ..umm..erotic movies.  ;D

So try cartoons!  They may help!  ;D

Haha!! Good one, Milli!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 01, 2006, 07:36:13 pm
*cartoons!*

hahahahaha.  I can't say I have ever purchased OR rented porn movies... well, let me be fair.  I am still feeling a little giddy from X-Men so maybe I have my own definition of "porn"!

I'll have to try cartoons. That might work.

And June - I think we closed the poll finally on Jeeves and settled on Rupert whatever his name is with the smooth hair and manly features.  he isn't so bad is he?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 01, 2006, 07:48:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 01, 2006, 07:36:13 pm
And June - I think we closed the poll finally on Jeeves and settled on Rupert whatever his name is with the smooth hair and manly features.  he isn't so bad is he?

 Rupert E. is not bad at all!  :D
I won't mind if Dupree did some 'experimentin' with him...  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 01, 2006, 08:18:35 pm
Dupree

Dupree’s a hunk
who would have thunk
he ever kissed a man?
But there you go
you never know
what buttons drive the man

Imagine Dupree’s gorgeous body
covered all in mud
Helping out his struggling buddy
making out half in the nuddy
Makes the heart go thud!

Ellery ties himself in knots
Trying to make him out
And then there's Jeeves
a dream he weaves
that Dupree will come out!

Dupree makes them both keep guessing
With who and what is this guy messing?
Jeeves and Ellery go on stressing
Dupree isn’t yet confessing

Who would Dupree like to shag
and what turns Dupree on?
Maybe he like guys in drag
or is it girls in thongs?

Whatever it is that Dupree likes
girls or straights or queers
Around the block and down the street
are queues of volunteers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 01, 2006, 08:25:49 pm

Haha.. good work Jo!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 01, 2006, 08:40:07 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 01, 2006, 08:25:49 pm
Haha.. good work Jo!  ;D

Yep, I agree. Really good work!! Loved it  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 01, 2006, 10:43:06 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 01, 2006, 08:18:35 pm
Dupree

Dupree’s a hunk
who would have thunk
he ever kissed a man?
But there you go
you never know
what buttons drive the man

Imagine Dupree’s gorgeous body
covered all in mud
Helping out his struggling buddy
making out half in the nuddy
Makes the heart go thud!

Ellery ties himself in knots
Trying to make him out
And then there's Jeeves
a dream he weaves
that Dupree will come out!

Dupree makes them both keep guessing
With who and what is this guy messing?
Jeeves and Ellery go on stressing
Dupree isn’t yet confessing

Who would Dupree like to shag
and what turns Dupree on?
Maybe he like guys in drag
or is it girls in thongs?

Whatever it is that Dupree likes
girls or straights or queers
Around the block and down the street
are queues of volunteers!

that is so adorable,,,the ballad of jeremy dupree;   i love him and think hes so great and hot and smart too....one of my favorite heros in many a year, as a friend to the main characters......he is in the catagory of sam wise in the lord of the rings....he would go to the end of the world for ennis and ellery... love that boy......janice
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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 02, 2006, 03:19:12 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 01, 2006, 08:18:35 pm
Whatever it is that Dupree likes
girls or straights or queers
Around the block and down the street
are queues of volunteers!

This was great, Jo!  I always get a good  laugh when I read your creations!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 05:35:03 am
Jo, that poem made tears come to my eyes - tears of laughter!

Who would have thought one desperate teenage kiss back in Basic Training has led to... all this?

Got to love it!

And no guys, the leather suit hasn't worn off yet. I woke up this morning and there was only one thing I thought of first:  Wolverine.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 02, 2006, 06:06:34 am
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on November 01, 2006, 10:43:06 pm
that is so adorable,,,the ballad of jeremy dupree;   i love him and think hes so great and hot and smart too....one of my favorite heros in many a year, as a friend to the main characters......he is in the catagory of sam wise in the lord of the rings....he would go to the end of the world for ennis and ellery... love that boy......janice
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Janice, I SO agree with you about Dupree and comparing him to Sam Wise and what he would do for E and E. Perfectly worded. So true. I love that boy too, from the very first day Louise introduced him  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 06:41:54 am
I may be missing in action tonight at the Media Markt trying to purchase a copy of XMen-3... because, damn.  Just well, damn.

And potential more good news on the horizon now that the interim good news of my still billing has just now sunk in: I got an encouraging word on my new contract in *snort* Wisconsin and may be getting an offer tonight or tomorrow.  What does this mean to you all?  It means I won't be getting sad and depressed any time soon over being unemployed, but it does mean I will have to marshal my resources and time, and may be dropping back to my one-chapter-per day plan so as to have time to muck out the apartment, order plane tickets, clean, (oh my god that oven again!) etc.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 02, 2006, 07:17:05 am
Wisconsin??  How sad that you'll be leaving Europe  :(  Great news on the job though, what a relief eh?

Hahahaha, that damn oven!! LOL  ;D

And it's okay about the one chapter a day plan, I think.....*sobs*

 ;D

 :-*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 07:38:30 am
think of it as weaning off, down to one chapter a day.

I haven't got the offer in hand, I just have the "you're in the running and it looks good" situation.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 02, 2006, 08:01:54 am
Quote from: louisev on November 02, 2006, 07:38:30 am
think of it as weaning off, down to one chapter a day.

I haven't got the offer in hand, I just have the "you're in the running and it looks good" situation.

But we dont want to be weaned off LS. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-* I,m bloody freezing today. We had a frost and I had to scrape my car this morning. :o
Off to have a read and get warmed up. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 08:12:15 am
It was chilly in mainland Europe today as well, but like the lazy bum I am, I didn't go out until the frost was already getting soggy and I got to avoid scraping!

Now Souxi we talked about this weaning thing. I promise that before the story ends you'll have plenty to talk about - and reread!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 02, 2006, 08:21:38 am
Quote from: louisev on November 02, 2006, 08:12:15 am

Now Souxi we talked about this weaning thing. I promise that before the story ends you'll have plenty to talk about - and reread!

Of course when you wean someone off something, it's generally by getting them onto something else. Something just as substantial.

Something like Book 7 of the Saga perhaps  ;)  ;)  ;)  :laugh:

7 is a lucky number after all  :laugh:

Karen

It is frosty today, but sunny, which I like.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 08:37:08 am
of course Karen of course. I keep hoping to generate some interest in these ... OTHER novels... that I have... lying around... gathering dust...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 02, 2006, 08:38:50 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 02, 2006, 08:21:38 am
Of course when you wean someone off something, it's generally by getting them onto something else. Something just as substantial.

Something like Book 7 of the Saga perhaps  ;)  ;)  ;)  :laugh:

7 is a lucky number after all  :laugh:

Karen

It is frosty today, but sunny, which I like.

Kazza you are so right. I was weaned off BBM (sort of) and onto the Laramie Saga just as quite a few years ago I went from ciggies to choccies.

We will need to establish an Abandoned Laramie Anxious Readers Management group (ALARM) offering a 12-step program complete with recourse to "a higher power than ourselves" a la Alcoholics anonymous. Maybe we can contract out the group's facilitation to Louise now that she is looking for work. But then we would all have to pay her salary! Just how desperate are we folks?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 02, 2006, 08:40:32 am
Of course when you wean someone off something, it's generally by getting them onto something else. Something just as substantial.



Exactly right there Kazza, very good point that. Book 7....hmmmmmmmmmmmm. ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 02, 2006, 08:51:09 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 02, 2006, 08:38:50 am
Kazza you are so right. I was weaned off BBM (sort of) and onto the Laramie Saga just as quite a few years ago I went from ciggies to choccies.

We will need to establish an Abandoned Laramie Anxious Readers Management group (ALARM) offering a 12-step program complete with recourse to "a higher power than ourselves" a la Alcoholics anonymous. Maybe we can contract out the group's facilitation to Louise now that she is looking for work. But then we would all have to pay her salary! Just how desperate are we folks?



D E S P E R A T E.
By the time LS is over we,ll all be doing this:
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 02, 2006, 09:04:56 am
(http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~ehab/scream.jpg)

Life post Laramie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 02, 2006, 10:42:33 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 02, 2006, 08:38:50 am
Kazza you are so right. I was weaned off BBM (sort of) and onto the Laramie Saga just as quite a few years ago I went from ciggies to choccies.

We will need to establish an Abandoned Laramie Anxious Readers Management group (ALARM) offering a 12-step program complete with recourse to "a higher power than ourselves" a la Alcoholics anonymous. Maybe we can contract out the group's facilitation to Louise now that she is looking for work. But then we would all have to pay her salary! Just how desperate are we folks?



ALARM!!! I love it  :laugh:

Of course asking Louise to facilitate such a group would be akin to asking your drug supplier to assist in your rehab from Class A narcotics. You just never know when they might just slip you something, you know, just for free.  ;)

Lousie - how many other books have you written?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 10:52:25 am
oh let me see now.

19 volumes of poems, one of which I published, in two limited editions.  Four of the books I recorded in digital, then I just stuck a few more of them on the web.

Princes of the East - my first actual finished novel
The Two Empires - sequal to "Princes of the East" - unfinished

The Confession of Alexandrus Basileus 334 a.d.
(sequel planned)

The Death of a Mad Composer

The Erotic Etudes

Your Skinny Girl

and a couple of unfinished efforts.

I also wrote a series of erotic yaoi stories, and did a long roleplay with an original character I invented for a MUSH last year, which I have toyed with turning into an erotic fantasy novel.

Then came the Laramie Saga and sucked me in.

Most of the novels and 7 of my books of poems can be found on my website in full text.  www.zebratta.com
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 02, 2006, 11:38:39 am
Louise ~ I'm IMPRESSED! Still havent received your books  :'(

Souxi and Jo ~ heh heh those pics are hilarious and downright scary!!  ;D

Karen ~ I LOVE your ideas!!  :D

Oh and afternoon Souxi! I owe you a pm! Sowweee  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 03:07:03 pm
damn why do I keep forgetting that June!!!  I am sorry.  I will take care of the mailing right away!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 03:07:41 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/143455.html  "Chapter 70:  Dear Jeremy"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 02, 2006, 03:28:00 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 02, 2006, 03:07:03 pm
damn why do I keep forgetting that June!!!  I am sorry.  I will take care of the mailing right away!

Awwwwwww, maybe cause you don't like me anymore?? *sobs* I keep checking my mail box, every single morning  :'(

J/K Louise, sort of  :P  You've just been REALLY REALLY BUSY and me thinks too much sexxxxy HJ on the brain??  ;)

 ;D

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 03:33:18 pm
two words, June, two little words that mean the world:

leather catsuit.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 02, 2006, 04:00:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 02, 2006, 03:33:18 pm
two words, June, two little words that mean the world:

leather catsuit.

Heeeee! Naughty, naughty!!

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 02, 2006, 04:20:23 pm
So...
Are these X-Men movies any good or just an excuse to ogle Hugh Jackman?   ;)

Aren't there like 3 of them or sumth'n?

Inquiring minds want to know!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 02, 2006, 04:30:31 pm
The first two XMen films were quite good.  The third was tolerable.  But Hugh is teh hawt in all of them.  Remember, it was the first X-Men that made him a star.

Dupree kissed a boy!!!!

My fantasy E/E/J three-way can't be far behind!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 02, 2006, 04:39:09 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 02, 2006, 04:20:23 pm
So...
Are these X-Men movies any good or just an excuse to ogle Hugh Jackman?   ;)

Aren't there like 3 of them or sumth'n?

Inquiring minds want to know!   ;D

Well I think there was a script in those first two films, I think I remember he was trying to find something about his past, and there were mutants around, but once he put that leather suit on the plot was a complete... blur...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 02, 2006, 05:07:45 pm
SPOILER



Ahh... poor Dupree, no luck with the ladies (cos they think he's into men) and the guys don't have any luck with him (cos Dupree doesn't think he's into men).

Jeeves got a kiss in, do you think that he's going to launch a charm offensive on Dupree's defences?

Lori - what are you suggesting??  :) Then again I can't think of two chaps better equiped to introduce Dupree to the wonders of man on man love.  :laugh:

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 02, 2006, 11:59:48 pm
Quote from: MadLori on November 02, 2006, 04:30:31 pm
The first two XMen films were quite good.  The third was tolerable.  But Hugh is teh hawt in all of them.  Remember, it was the first X-Men that made him a star.

Dupree kissed a boy!!!!

My fantasy E/E/J three-way can't be far behind!

The collective unconscious strikes again - I was just musing on that possibility myself this morning Lori!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 03, 2006, 12:26:35 am
I had decided not to think about Dupree’s sexual orientation but this chapter had me thinking again.  I think he is in denial of his interest in men, even though his denial is not as serious as Ennis was.  I’m puzzled by his action to kiss Jeeves on his cheek, since their earlier conversation already proved that Jeeves wants to have a relationship with him; under the circumstance I think it’s not wise to do so even if he thought it’s a gesture of friendship, he should have avoided it because this act and his words would certainly lead Jeeves on.  But the writing is so good I felt it was a tender moment between Dupree and Jeeves.  I don’t know what to think about a 3-some among EEJ, it’s a fantasy and exciting alright but I doubt Louise will write it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 03:48:04 am
Quote from: yb on November 03, 2006, 12:26:35 am
I don’t know what to think about a 3-some among EEJ, it’s a fantasy and exciting alright but I doubt Louise will write it.


I somehow think you're right yb!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 06:07:04 am
It is within the realm of dream possibility, I suppose.

But since I ordered up a hot dream about Wolverine and all I got was a dry dull dream about his getting his claws implanted and absolutely nothing romantic whatsoever, I am a bit disgruntled today about ordering up dreams.  I got the PG rated one!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 03, 2006, 06:18:37 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 06:07:04 am
It is within the realm of dream possibility, I suppose.

But since I ordered up a hot dream about Wolverine and all I got was a dry dull dream about his getting his claws implanted and absolutely nothing romantic whatsoever, I am a bit disgruntled today about ordering up dreams.  I got the PG rated one!

Perhaps you can use your creativity to turn your frustration into some hot chapters.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 06:29:00 am
Gee I don't know Betty, a new reader of the Saga just finished "Taking Chances" and said it had too much sex in it!  Maybe I need to write less sex.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 03, 2006, 06:49:03 am
As I've said before, sometimes I did feel uneasy reading the sex scenes, but what you write are not sex for sex's sake, they all flow with the story and with so much emotion, so I don't have any problem with them at all. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 07:03:55 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 06:29:00 am
Gee I don't know Betty, a new reader of the Saga just finished "Taking Chances" and said it had too much sex in it!  Maybe I need to write less sex.

What!!?!! What!!!???!!! :o

Souxi! June! Are you reading this!  ;)

Karen

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:06:57 am
The thing I have striven for in the sex scenes is that they are a) meaningful to the plot b) original and c) show something new about the characters or gives some insight into their state of mind.  Those are the rules I follow for writing a sex scene.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 07:22:55 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 07:03:55 am
What!!?!! What!!!???!!! :o

Souxi! June! Are you reading this!  ;)

Karen



Yep I sure am. ??? WTF is the matter with the woman? Too much sex indeed. ffs.  :o :o If she doesnt like it then she doesnt have to read it does she? God almighty, we dont need less sex we need more...lol.  ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 07:24:43 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 06:29:00 am
Gee I don't know Betty, a new reader of the Saga just finished "Taking Chances" and said it had too much sex in it!  Maybe I need to write less sex.

The sex in Taking Chances was great, and there was lots of it.

That said, this was also the book where Ellery was mixing Glenfiddich and Percodan on a regular basis, Ennis was drunk more often than not, and they fucked each other unconscious on more than one occasion. I remember feeling that at moments it was extreme. Looking back in the in the context of the books that have followed, i can see that their behavior and dominating lust all happened for a reason, but the first book, standing alone left me as a reader feeling a little overwhelmed. I can put all in perspective now but I can understand how a new reader might make the comment about "too much" sex.

But don't take this as a request to write one less word, Louise. LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 07:26:39 am
Mornin all btw..mornin June. ;) Christ it,s bloody cold today..had to scrape my car again!! :o :o I read a lot of "looking for answers" yesterday. It was quiet harrowing reading the scenes where Ellery had really hurt his back and then got drunk and hurt himself even more. :'( :'( :'( And the bits where Ennis lost his temper with him made me shudder. Poor Ellery. :'( :'( Havnt our boys come a long long way since then? Bless em. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 03, 2006, 07:27:43 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 06:29:00 am
Gee I don't know Betty, a new reader of the Saga just finished "Taking Chances" and said it had too much sex in it!  Maybe I need to write less sex.

Well,  if you were to submit this story in writing for movie consideration, I think you'd have to pull out about everyother sex scene!!!  LOL.          And then tone down the rest just to be able to get an R-rating!     LOL.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 07:32:51 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 03, 2006, 07:27:43 am
Well,  if you were to submit this story in writing for movie consideration, I think you'd have to pull out about everyother sex scene!!!  LOL.          And then tone down the rest just to be able to get an R-rating!     LOL.



Thats the thing isnt it David? The bloody censors would have a field day with it and cut a lot of the sex out.  :'( :'( Mind you, I think it,s a wee bit much to expect poor Heath and Hugh to do some of that stuff though, it would be nice though lol. ;) ;) :laugh:
Mind you after BBM i think that a lot of people, myself included, wondered what all the fuss was about, re the sex scenes? You see FAR more with men and women. It was only R rated because it was men, not because of the sex, because there wasnt really that much. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 03, 2006, 07:39:37 am
I'm not sure if what bothers this reader is that there is too much explicit sex written in the book or if Ennis and Ellery are having too much sex, which is different. If it is the first, he/she better not read the rest of the books, otherwise he/she is bound to have a heart attack once Ennis and Ellery start it with the paddles! LOL

If it is the second, well I thought it was realistic that they were at it like rabbits in Taking Chances. That is what happens when you start a new relationship. The great majority of healthy individuals, once they start having sex with someone they really, really like, they find it hard to stop. And you all know it is true. This is something that happens to almost everyone. And it happened in Brokeback Mountain too, when Ennis and Jack were sheepherding. Come on, they even got their sheep mixed up because of it!  ;)
 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 08:19:07 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 07:32:51 am
It was only R rated because it was men, not because of the sex, because there wasnt really that much. :'( :'( :'( :'(

I think it was R rated because of the liberal use of the word "fuck" which in my mind, generates an instant R (ridiculously, I think).

Casanova was rated R which was really absurd...there was nothing in that, to my way of thinking. I read something that it was because of the footsie scene with Heath (Casanova) and Sienna Miller but please....



Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:30:52 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 07:24:43 am

But don't take this as a request to write one less word, Louise. LOL

Leslie


 ;D  Oh, this really made me LOL, Leslie  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:32:09 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 07:03:55 am
What!!?!! What!!!???!!! :o

Souxi! June! Are you reading this!  ;)

Karen



Hahahaha Karen! Are we *that* bad?!??  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 08:34:10 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:32:09 am
Hahahaha Karen! Are we *that* bad?!??  ;D

Oh no not bad.

A tad frisky perhaps  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 08:35:13 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 03, 2006, 07:27:43 am
Well,  if you were to submit this story in writing for movie consideration, I think you'd have to pull out about everyother sex scene!!!  LOL.          And then tone down the rest just to be able to get an R-rating!     LOL.



It's funny - I was just talking to someone who had recently seen BBM and told them about the storyline of the Saga. I also briefly mentioned all the kerfuffle it had stirred up. She immediately said "Well what if it were to be made into a film - that would really upset them." I said "A film?" She said "Yes. If someone who knew someone and gave them the story it could be a film."

Louise maybe she was channelling a message from the cosmos. Take note.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 08:35:32 am
I got my smile for the day reading all this discussion!  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however!  But Natali and Leslie are quite correct to point out that when they first got together, there was a lot of booze, a lot of Percodan, and a few back strains in there due to the extreme volatility of their relationship at the beginning.   In the ensuing months they have been renegotiating and getting to know one another, calming down somewhat and not being so desperate to prove anything - particularly Ellery, who felt he had to be Johnny on the spot sexually whenever Ennis wanted him.  Both of them were profoundly insecure, particularly at the beginning!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 08:35:53 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 08:34:10 am
Oh no not bad.

A tad frisky perhaps  ;)

Karen

Frisky...me? noooooooooo, you must be thinking of June, she,s a shocker she is..terrible influence on me too. ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:37:04 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 08:19:07 am
I think it was R rated because of the liberal use of the word "fuck" which in my mind, generates an instant R (ridiculously, I think).

Casanova was rated R which was really absurd...there was nothing in that, to my way of thinking. I read something that it was because of the footsie scene with Heath (Casanova) and Sienna Miller but please....



Leslie

You know, I've never understood the problem a lot of Americans have with the word Fuck  ???  Movie ratings in Holland are so much more relaxed.
Casanova was rated PG in Holland!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 08:37:41 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 08:35:13 am
It's funny - I was just talking to someone who had recently seen BBM and told them about the storyline of the Saga. I also briefly mentioned all the kerfuffle it had stirred up. She immediately said "Well what if it were to be made into a film - that would really upset them." I said "A film?" She said "Yes. If someone who knew someone and gave them the story it could be a film."

Louise maybe she was channelling a message from the cosmos. Take note.

I,m praying already. June get to church and start praying please. ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 08:39:46 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:37:04 am
You know, I've never understood the problem a lot of Americans have with the word Fuck  ???  Movie ratings in Holland are so much more relaxed.
Casanova was rated PG in Holland!

I wondered about that June. Are films in the states R rated if they contain the word fuck a lot then? Seems daft to me. Theres films out there that contain FAR worse language that are only rated 15 or 18 over here..and thats for the language and the violence they contain.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:40:53 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 08:35:53 am
Frisky...me? noooooooooo, you must be thinking of June, she,s a shocker she is..terrible influence on me too. ;) ;) ;D :laugh:

Yeah, you're a real good girl aren't you Souxi LOLLOL!!   :-X
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:43:48 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 08:37:41 am
I,m praying already. June get to church and start praying please. ;) ;) ;D :laugh:

I'm afraid I'm not really much of a church goer Souxi!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 08:43:57 am
The Saga without sex? Well if it was like the film we would have been privy to Ennis' hand grab at the Rose Hotel and then things would have faded out just has Ellery was leading Ennis into bedroom with the latter clutching his erection.

Maybe we would read about a chaste embrace at the Holiday Inn if we were lucky - and maybe a few liplocks - and that would be it chums!

If this story ever gets on film we better make sure Ang Lee keeps his distance . We should insist on some French art house director who was trained in Sweden.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 08:44:28 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:40:53 am
Yeah, you're a real good girl aren't you Souxi LOLLOL!!   :-X

I certainly am..look, this is a pic of me in all my glory lol. ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 08:45:34 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:37:04 am
Movie ratings in Holland are so much more relaxed.

June, you may not realise this but EVERYTHING in Holland is much more relaxed!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 08:46:09 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 08:43:57 am
The Saga without sex? Well if it was like the film we would have been privy to Ennis' hand grab at the Rose Hotel and then things would have faded out just has Ellery was leading Ennis into bedroom with the latter clutching his erection.

Maybe we would read about a chaste embrace at the Holiday Inn if we were lucky - and maybe a few liplocks - and that would be it chums!

If this story ever gets on film we better make sure Ang Lee keeps his distance . We should insist on some French art house director who was trained in Sweden.

Even as I type, I,m on me knees prayin lol. ;) ;) ;D June I,m sure they,ll let you in the church if you go to confession first lol. ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 09:15:25 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 08:37:04 am
You know, I've never understood the problem a lot of Americans have with the word Fuck  ???  Movie ratings in Holland are so much more relaxed.
Casanova was rated PG in Holland!

My daughter, a typical adolescent, has parts of her life which she tries to keep private from her parents. Anyway, this morning, she wanted to show me something on her "My Space" page so I got to see that she has herself listed as "Hannah Fucking Nicoll." All right. I thought about that for a minute and then said, "So, who do you think you are, anyway? Jack Fuckin Twist?"

That got a laugh.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:15:55 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 08:45:34 am
June, you may not realise this but EVERYTHING in Holland is much more relaxed!

OH I do Jo and I agree. I love living here  :) Have you ever been to Holland?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 09:17:59 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 08:39:46 am
I wondered about that June. Are films in the states R rated if they contain the word fuck a lot then? Seems daft to me. Theres films out there that contain FAR worse language that are only rated 15 or 18 over here..and thats for the language and the violence they contain.

I remember reading something that said that the use of the word "fuck" generated an instant R rating. That was awhile ago. Then some movie came out, a teenage movie as I recall, and fuck was said once. There was a debate and eventually it was given a PG-13 rating. I wish I could remember what movie it was. Anyone?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:17:59 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 09:15:25 am
My daughter, a typical adolescent, has parts of her life which she tries to keep private from her parents. Anyway, this morning, she wanted to show me something on her "My Space" page so I got to see that she has herself listed as "Hannah Fucking Nicoll." All right. I thought about that for a minute and then said, "So, who do you think you are, anyway? Jack Fuckin Twist?"

That got a laugh.

L

LOL! You gave me another laugh too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:19:05 am
SO ~ where is our leading lady?? Nose to the grindstone?? Awwwww.....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 09:21:22 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:19:05 am
SO ~ where is our leading lady?? Nose to the grindstone?? Awwwww.....

I know. I am in chat, if anyone wants to mosey over....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:23:36 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 09:17:59 am
I remember reading something that said that the use of the word "fuck" generated an instant R rating. That was awhile ago. Then some movie came out, a teenage movie as I recall, and fuck was said once. There was a debate and eventually it was given a PG-13 rating. I wish I could remember what movie it was. Anyone?

Leslie

Oh, I hate this! Now I wont stop thinking about it till I know what it is!! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 09:24:24 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:15:55 am
OH I do Jo and I agree. I love living here  :) Have you ever been to Holland?

Yes - I number of times. Amsterdam is one of my favourite cities. It manages to be beautiful, mysterious and cozy all at the same time.

As far as the word "fuck" being an issue - why don't they just say f**k? Problem solved!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:27:02 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 08:44:28 am
I certainly am..look, this is a pic of me in all my glory lol. ;) ;D :laugh:


Okay, you got me Souxi. I'm convinced now!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 09:27:25 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 08:35:13 am
It's funny - I was just talking to someone who had recently seen BBM and told them about the storyline of the Saga. I also briefly mentioned all the kerfuffle it had stirred up. She immediately said "Well what if it were to be made into a film - that would really upset them." I said "A film?" She said "Yes. If someone who knew someone and gave them the story it could be a film."

Louise maybe she was channelling a message from the cosmos. Take note.

If someone was going to make a follow-on movie to BBM, what would be the choices?

1. A sequel, wherein Ennis never gets a life and lives in a trailer til he dies of lung cancer.
2. A prequel, maybe filling in bits and pieces of Jack and Ennis's life before the summer of 63. Maybe Jack has some sort of sexual experience and gets laid, but it wouldn't be with Ennis.
3. A fill-in-the blanks movie, graphically illustrating all the things we didn't see...3rd, 4th, 5th night in the tent, all those fishing trips...cue the porn director for this one.
4. The Laramie Saga

Which movie would you go to?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:28:26 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 09:24:24 am
Yes - I number of times. Amsterdam is one of my favourite cities. It manages to be beautiful, mysterious and cozy all at the same time.

As far as the word "fuck" being an issue - why don't they just say f**k? Problem solved!

LOL!

And dangerous!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 09:29:24 am
leading lady?

moi?

I am at work, and secretly typity type typing in another window! muahahahaha!

okay I'm going to chat now too!  and maybe get that X-Men 3 movie tonight since it's the weekend!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:31:03 am
OH, that's a tough one Leslie and you know it!

Well 1 is out for sure. Damn sure!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:32:11 am
Was 69 the last chapter?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 09:35:06 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 09:27:25 am
If someone was going to make a follow-on movie to BBM, what would be the choices?

1. A sequel, wherein Ennis never gets a life and lives in a trailer til he dies of lung cancer.
2. A prequel, maybe filling in bits and pieces of Jack and Ennis's life before the summer of 63. Maybe Jack has some sort of sexual experience and gets laid, but it wouldn't be with Ennis.
3. A fill-in-the blanks movie, graphically illustrating all the things we didn't see...3rd, 4th, 5th night in the tent, all those fishing trips...cue the porn director for this one.
4. The Laramie Saga

Which movie would you go to?

L

Ermmmmmmmm, wellllllllllll, it,s a tough choice Leslie, but number 4 I think lol. And, at the risk of being a great big fat creep, I know it would never happen, it cant, but I,d love to see ALBFS filmed as well. Do they ever make AU films? If not, why not lol. Just think of that peanut butter blow job scene...*sigh*..oh and christening the bed as well lol.  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 03, 2006, 09:35:15 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:32:11 am
Was 69 the last chapter?

Nope, chapter 70. "Dear Jeremy"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:38:56 am
Quote from: opinionista on November 03, 2006, 09:35:15 am
Nope, chapter 70. "Dear Jeremy"

Huh?? Really?? Whoooo! *off to read*

How the hell did I miss this??

 ???   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:40:16 am
Oh and thanks Natali  :)

BTW ~ I love the title of the chapter! Squeeee!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 09:40:54 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 09:29:24 am
leading lady?

moi?

I am at work, and secretly typity type typing in another window! muahahahaha!

okay I'm going to chat now too!  and maybe get that X-Men 3 movie tonight since it's the weekend!

Hugh n’ Louise

There’s only one thing on her mind
It’s Hugh
The only subject she can find
It’s Hugh

Leather suits and wolverines
It’s Hugh
Blows her mind to smithereens
It’s Hugh

Heath can take a flying leap
It’s Hugh
Every other man’s a creep
It’s Hugh

There is no cure for this disease
It’s Hugh
It terminal for poor Louise
It’s Hugh
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:41:52 am
Oh just another thing Louise,

I do miss Alien!Brokeback you know......
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 09:42:47 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 09:35:06 am
I,d love to see ALBFS filmed as well.

What is ALBFS?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 09:45:16 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 09:42:47 am
What is ALBFS?

Leslies story, "A love born from steel"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 09:45:34 am
oh Jo, I don't know about it being terminal... my crushes on the few men I have found attractive on the big screen have faded away like dew. I imagine once I finish writing about Ellery this too will fade.

Then again, none of them filled out a black leather catsuit quite like Hugh does... so it might take longer.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 09:46:45 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 09:45:16 am
Leslies story, "A love born from steel"

Of course! I just haven't seen it intialled before.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 09:49:21 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 09:45:34 am

Then again, none of them filled out a black leather catsuit quite like Hugh does... so it might take longer.

I rest my case your Honour.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 09:49:45 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 09:45:34 am
oh Jo, I don't know about it being terminal... my crushes on the few men I have found attractive on the big screen have faded away like dew. I imagine once I finish writing about Ellery this too will fade.

Then again, none of them filled out a black leather catsuit quite like Hugh does... so it might take longer.

Fade??? shame on you Louise lol.  ;) ;) I havnt seen Hugh in X men..got any pics of him in that leather catsuit Louise? He looks gorgeous in a loin cloth in Van Helsing..those thighs...*SIGH* ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 09:51:32 am
That was wonderful Jo, as always. I'm just so impressed that you can come up with this stuff at a moments notice!

Now, I'm really going to catch up  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 10:00:29 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 09:49:45 am
Fade??? shame on you Louise lol.  ;) ;) I havnt seen Hugh in X men..got any pics of him in that leather catsuit Louise? He looks gorgeous in a loin cloth in Van Helsing..those thighs...*SIGH* ::) ::)

Of COURSE I do!

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8119/museumts0.jpg)

mee-yow.

(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1110/drpepcontestdc2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 10:19:04 am
Please dont shoot me for saying this lol,. but I dont like him like that...sorry. :( I much prefer him in the loin cloth tbh. And that pic of him in my avatar..I think he looks edible. ::) ::) That lovely long hair...*SIGH* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 10:28:08 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 10:19:04 am
Please dont shoot me for saying this lol,. but I dont like him like that...sorry. :( I much prefer him in the loin cloth tbh. And that pic of him in my avatar..I think he looks edible. ::) ::) That lovely long hair...*SIGH* :-*

I won't shoot you because...it doesn't work for me, either. I don't like the hair and sideburns.

Kate & Leopold Hugh....now that's a look I could look at all day and all night. Sigh...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 10:40:58 am
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 09:35:06 am
Ermmmmmmmm, wellllllllllll, it,s a tough choice Leslie, but number 4 I think lol. And, at the risk of being a great big fat creep, I know it would never happen, it cant, but I,d love to see ALBFS filmed as well. Do they ever make AU films? If not, why not lol. Just think of that peanut butter blow job scene...*sigh*..oh and christening the bed as well lol.  ;) ;) ;D

Aw, thanks. I can picture everything in my head, but I would so love to see it brought to life with real actors. How about the little fashion show where Ennis tries on Jack's hand-me-downs?  Sunbathing au natural by the river? The crafts fair? Sigh....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 10:43:11 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 10:28:08 am
I won't shoot you because...it doesn't work for me, either. I don't like the hair and sideburns.

Kate & Leopold Hugh....now that's a look I could look at all day and all night. Sigh...

L

OH whew, ladies, doesnt work for me either! Sowwee Louise.....

Yep, Kate and Leopold Hugh and Hugh in that thriller movie with John Travolta and what's her name from Monsters Ball?? YUM!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 10:49:03 am
fine. Diss the catsuit.

Here's your update, you ungrateful fans.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/143763.html  "Chapter 71:  Sex, Lies and Videotape"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 10:57:22 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 10:49:03 am
fine. Diss the catsuit.

Here's your update, you ungrateful fans.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/143763.html  "Chapter 71:  Sex, Lies and Videotape"

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

*off to read!!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 03, 2006, 11:24:41 am
Oh, good lord, I get up this morning and I'm like SIX PAGES behind!!!   :o

1.  Re: LS sex:
Repeat after me ... There's no such thing as too much sex, There's no such thing as too much sex, There's no such thing as too much sex ...

Never enough ... (oops, that sliipped out - it's the slash slut in me talking)  ;)

2.  How many times was the word fuck spoken in BBM?  I know Jack said at their last meeting by the lake.  Did he say at the Thanksgiving fiasco?  Did Ennis ever say it?  I can't recall, darn it!

3.  I vote for choice #4 for the ideal fantasy movie.  Maybe George (can't think of his last name) from Bel Ami studios could direct the gettin' fancy parts.  (and yes, I occasionally enjoy a good gay porno film.)

4.  For the squeamish readers, they'll just have to skip over the gettin' fancy parts.  Don't change a thing, Louise!

5.  Last time I'd been to the Netherlands was in 1974...I was 18.  One of the highlights of that trip was my 20 year old cousin taking me on a tour of Amstersdam, including the red light district!  Another cousin took me out to a wild disco club one evening.  I'd have to agree that Americans seem a lot more 'hung up' than Europeans about a lot of things.


Whew, I probably forgot something but...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 03, 2006, 11:28:04 am
Oh, yeah,  I NEED to see Hugh in a loincloth!  Is anyone gonna put up a pic or am I going to have to rent Van Helsing?

Thanx!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 11:31:36 am
Quote from: NavyVet on November 03, 2006, 11:24:41 am
Oh, good lord, I get up this morning and I'm like SIX PAGES behind!!!   :o

1.  Re: LS sex:
Repeat after me ... There's no such thing as too much sex, There's no such thing as too much sex, There's no such thing as too much sex ...

Never enough ... (oops, that sliipped out - it's the slash slut in me talking)  ;)

2.  How many times was the word fuck spoken in BBM?  I know Jack said at their last meeting by the lake.  Did he say at the Thanksgiving fiasco?  Did Ennis ever say it?  I can't recall, darn it!

3.  I vote for choice #4 for the ideal fantasy movie.  Maybe George (can't think of his last name) from Bel Ami studios could direct the gettin' fancy parts.  (and yes, I occasionally enjoy a good gay porno film.)

4.  For the squeamish readers, they'll just have to skip over the gettin' fancy parts.  Don't change a thing, Louise!

5.  Last time I'd been to the Netherlands was in 1974...I was 18.  One of the highlights of that trip was my 20 year old cousin taking me on a tour of Amstersdam, including the red light district!  Another cousin took me out to a wild disco club one evening.  I'd have to agree that Americans seem a lot more 'hung up' than Europeans about a lot of things.


Whew, I probably forgot something but...

RE 2: I can't recall either  :(

RE 4: OH yeah, the infamous red light district, lol It sure is something else isnt it? LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 11:37:23 am
Quote from: NavyVet on November 03, 2006, 11:24:41 am

2.  How many times was the word fuck spoken in BBM?  I know Jack said at their last meeting by the lake.  Did he say at the Thanksgiving fiasco?  Did Ennis ever say it?  I can't recall, darn it!


"Fuck Aguirre!"

"Jack Fuckin Twist!"

and I am sure many more....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 11:41:53 am
I found this on "Jackman's Landing" - for those who don't know my guilty secret:  www.jackmanslanding.com

(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7800/vhtr2171wj4.jpg)

not QUITE a loincloth but almost.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 11:48:13 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 11:37:23 am
"Fuck Aguirre!"

"Jack Fuckin Twist!"

and I am sure many more....

Leslie

Some more......

Once in a while.....ever' four fuckin years?!!

Thought rodeo cowboys was all fuck-ups

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 11:51:05 am
Ennis in the alley "What the fuck are you lookin at?"

Ennis at 4th of July "I'll knock yer fuckin teeth down yer throat"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 03, 2006, 11:56:49 am
Gawd, I have such a terrible memory ... or maybe it just doesn't phase me to hear the word.  I did spend 12 years in the Navy, working with 99% men, after all.  *snort*
Learned to hold my liquor with the best of them, too.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 11:57:19 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 10:40:58 am
Aw, thanks. I can picture everything in my head, but I would so love to see it brought to life with real actors. How about the little fashion show where Ennis tries on Jack's hand-me-downs?  Sunbathing au natural by the river? The crafts fair? Sigh....

Leslie

Yep all those, and I,d love to see the scene where Ennis turns up to pick the girls up and Alma notices his tighter jeans, his ring and his suntan, and he grins to himself and think,s "if only you knew" lol. And the bit where their sunbathing and Jack points out that Ennis has no tan lines......................*SIGH*.  OH and yes, Ennis trying on those shorts. Just think of those rock hard thighs........................ *faints*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 11:59:42 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 10:49:03 am

http://louisev.livejournal.com/143763.html  "Chapter 71:  Sex, Lies and Videotape"

SPOILER


Oh Louise - a cliffhanger!

I do hope Ellery puts some shoes on with all that broken glass lying about.

Ellery still has deep scars left from his relationship (or lack of) with Bruce. However, it's Ennis's own scars that allow his to understand and accept this, even if it does fire his jealousy. Someone mentioned in a recent post that they have come a long way in their understanding of each other, and they surely have.

Who keeps attacking their house??? What kind of person smashes the windows of the Chief Deputy Sherrif when there us a risk that he might be home... with a gun!

I hope he catches them. I love Ellery in hero mode.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 12:01:17 pm
Tell ya something Kazza, I wouldnt mind Ellery catching me in hero mode..he could hold me up ANY time lol.  ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 12:02:18 pm
Ennis at their last meeting: I got a say this once, Jack fuckin Twist

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 12:04:47 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 11:57:19 am
Yep all those, and I,d love to see the scene where Ennis turns up to pick the girls up and Alma notices his tighter jeans, his ring and his suntan, and he grins to himself and think,s "if only you knew" lol. And the bit where their sunbathing and Jack points out that Ennis has no tan lines......................*SIGH*.  OH and yes, Ennis trying on those shorts. Just think of those rock hard thighs........................ *faints*

Oh, yes, the hotel reunion...boy did I have fun writing that! "Work on lookin good, cowboy." And thinking about his all over tan. I'M thinking about that tan...sigh....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 12:07:26 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 11:59:42 am

I hope he catches them. I love Ellery in hero mode.

Karen

I love Ellery in hero mode. I love Ellery in horny mode. I love Ellery in sensual loving Ennis mode. I love Ellery in smart-mouth Chief Deputy mode. I love Ellery...


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 12:10:10 pm
Leslie any plans to make ALBFS into a zine? (gets on knees and prays) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 12:11:16 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 12:07:26 pm
I love Ellery in hero mode. I love Ellery in horny mode. I love Ellery in sensual loving Ennis mode. I love Ellery in smart-mouth Chief Deputy mode. I love Ellery...


L

I love Ellery in submissive mode. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 12:15:01 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 12:04:47 pm
Oh, yes, the hotel reunion...boy did I have fun writing that! "Work on lookin good, cowboy." And thinking about his all over tan. I'M thinking about that tan...sigh....

L

I,d like to have been the one smothering that body in suntan lotion. All over those gorgeous rock hard thigh,s and that nice smooth tight little.........*ahem*. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 12:35:36 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 12:10:10 pm
Leslie any plans to make ALBFS into a zine? (gets on knees and prays) ;)

I don't quite know how you define zine, but I formatted the whole thing with a table of contents, running heads on the pages, etc., and had it printed and bound for the Boston brokie get together. Lucise did the cover art and you can see it here:

http://community.livejournal.com/bbm_phoenix/tag/author:+mainewriter

Souxi (and anyone else who is interested)...I can send you the word file and cover jpg if you want to get it printed. Fabienne, who is in Belgium did that after we figured out that for me to ship it to her from the US would cost almost as much as the printing! Fabienne said that it cost 19 euros to print. She posted a picture of it here:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=312.msg99659#msg99659

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 01:31:14 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 12:15:01 pm
I,d like to have been the one smothering that body in suntan lotion. All over those gorgeous rock hard thigh,s and that nice smooth tight little.........*ahem*. ;) ;) ;D

Heiney.  The word is "heiney" as we see below in this quote from BBM:

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8582/johntwist13ez.jpg)

"Ennis Del Mar, Jack usta say... Ennis Del Mar s'got the cutest heiney this side of the Pecos, Jack usta say..."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 01:37:49 pm




I have to say that picture makes me want to throw up. What a revolting little man he is. urgh. >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 01:51:11 pm
I agree Souxi ~ I saw him in the Twin Towers movie, he was Maggie Gyllenhaals father and all I could see him as was that bastard John Twist  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 03, 2006, 02:25:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 01:31:14 pm

"Ennis Del Mar, Jack usta say... Ennis Del Mar s'got the cutest heiney this side of the Pecos, Jack usta say..."

Uh huh, I remember that line SO vividly from the movie Louise ..  ;D  In fact, he went on to say:
"Jack usta say .. I'll bring him up here and lick him up this damn ranch to shape .."  ::) lol..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 02:41:26 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/144048.html  "Chapter 72:  An Old Injury"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 03, 2006, 04:04:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 10:49:03 am
fine. Diss the catsuit.

Here's your update, you ungrateful fans.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/143763.html  "Chapter 71:  Sex, Lies and Videotape"

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Sorry Louise lol, we dont mean to be ungrateful but it just looks nothing like him atall. Now a tiny pair of denim cutoffs, YES YES YES lol. *SIGH* Right and on that note, I,m off for the night. See ya tomorow peeps. Be good June..for once lol. ;) ;) ;D :laugh: :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 04:10:23 pm
you folks just have no appreciation of fine Corinthian leather. cat suits.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 04:38:19 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 02:41:26 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/144048.html  "Chapter 72:  An Old Injury"


SPOILER


Holy God Louise, Ennis went a bit cro-magnon there didn't he?  :o Does he ever listen to Ellery once his blood is up? I can see a heated exchange between them once Lorenzo's in custody.  :( If I was Ellery I'd be a bit fed up with Ennis, especially him decking the young fella after Ellery already had him under arrest. Then again, he wouldn't be under arrest if Ennis hadn't caught him.

It's sad that it's Esteban's son. I imagine that he and Ellery had a good working relationship before Bill got up on his high horse and and spoiled things.

I read your comment and I've been wracking my brains thinking about where we might have come across Lorenzo before. Don't suppose you'll just tell us? We'll have to wait until it's revealed in the story.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 04:48:05 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 03, 2006, 04:04:57 pm
Be good June..for once lol. ;) ;) ;D :laugh: :-* :-*

Heh heh ~ I always am Souxi  ;D I'm like that angel of yours  ::)

 ;D

 :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 03, 2006, 06:13:17 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 10:00:29 am


(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1110/drpepcontestdc2.jpg)

R-r-r-o-w-r-r!

I think he looks quite hunky in the cat suit.  It really accentuates his ...

... package!      :o    :laugh:   ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 06:31:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 04:10:23 pm
you folks just have no appreciation of fine Corinthian leather. cat suits.

I thought it was Cordoba leather....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:32:49 pm
I was quoting Ricardo Montalban in his Chevrolet commercial (or whatever car it was.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 03, 2006, 07:34:21 pm
Louise, I like the catsuit, too.  And I did notice that there is a, shall we say, creative use of light and shadow?! ;D
I do have to agree with the others, though, who prefer long-haired Hugh.  Maybe what we need (hint hint to Lucise, please!) is for our talented artist in residence to put long-haired Hugh/Ellery's head on top of the catsuited body!  Now, that would be something that I think would NEVER fade!  Or, wait, maybe the leather pants part of the catsuit, with the very nice package, but a bare chest, and Ellery's beautiful Rapunzel hair.  OMG, I have to leave now before I put any more drool on the keyboard!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 07:36:03 pm
Does nobody else care about Lorenzo?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on November 03, 2006, 07:40:21 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 02:41:26 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/144048.html  "Chapter 72:  An Old Injury"

Spoiler...



Louise asked a question on LJ.  I can't post comments there since I don't have an LJ account.

I remembered that Ellery met a teenage boy at Mel's office that reminded him of someone he knew (don't remember the chapter though).  I always wonder if you will ever follow up on that lead.  Is this the boy that Ennis caught?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:41:48 pm
Quote from: laurel on November 03, 2006, 07:34:21 pm
Louise, I like the catsuit, too.  And I did notice that there is a, shall we say, creative use of light and shadow?! ;D
I do have to agree with the others, though, who prefer long-haired Hugh.  Maybe what we need (hint hint to Lucise, please!) is for our talented artist in residence to put long-haired Hugh/Ellery's head on top of the catsuited body!  Now, that would be something that I think would NEVER fade!  Or, wait, maybe the leather pants part of the catsuit, with the very nice package, but a bare chest, and Ellery's beautiful Rapunzel hair.  OMG, I have to leave now before I put any more drool on the keyboard!

Laurel, in the Hugh Hugh Hugh thread is long-haired Hugh in full length black leather pants.  I think that might suit you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:42:49 pm
Quote from: JennyC on November 03, 2006, 07:40:21 pm
Spoiler...



Louise asked a question on LJ.  I can't post comments there since I don't have an LJ account.

I remembered that Ellery met a teenage boy at Mel's office that reminded him of someone he knew (don't remember the chapter though).  I always wonder if you will ever follow up on that lead.  Is this the boy that Ennis caught?

Jenny, you hit the nail on the head!  Excellent!

"Larry Esteban" is Larry in Mel's office, yes!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 07:43:35 pm
Quote from: JennyC on November 03, 2006, 07:40:21 pm
Spoiler...



Louise asked a question on LJ.  I can't post comments there since I don't have an LJ account.

I remembered that Ellery met a teenage boy at Mel's office that reminded him of someone he knew (don't remember the chapter though).  I always wonder if you will ever follow up on that lead.  Is this the boy that Ennis caught?

Wow... you have got a good memory. I don't recall that bit. Then again, my rock 'n' roll lifestyle is taking it's toll on my brain cells.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on November 03, 2006, 07:44:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:42:49 pm
Jenny, you hit the nail on the head!  Excellent!

"Larry Esteban" is Larry in Mel's office, yes!

Believe me, I am very proud of myself on this.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 03, 2006, 07:46:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:42:49 pm
Jenny, you hit the nail on the head!  Excellent!

"Larry Esteban" is Larry in Mel's office, yes!

Oh, that one.  I just re-read that part not long ago, I just found the name Larry vaguely familiar but didn't make the connection.

Wow!  Jenny, very very good memory.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:48:30 pm

Just because I can - Long-haired Hugh in black leather pants!

(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1459/mtv8qx7.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 07:51:17 pm
SPOILER


Wel, young Larry is going to be even less fond of Ellery now that his lover has beaten him into an unconscious pulp.

I was just wondering, could Ennis get charged with assault for this? Defending ones person or home is one thing, but beating someone up to that extent would be against the law wouldn't it?

Karen

P.S. Louise that look would be very popular down at the bar - maybe with the electric blue cowboy boots  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 07:52:47 pm
Quote from: JennyC on November 03, 2006, 07:44:48 pm
Believe me, I am very proud of myself on this.   ;D

LOL! well you should be, I'm impressed! I can never remember anything!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:56:04 pm
No, my legal resource tells me that defending  home supersedes assault.  A vandal in the process of breaking windows, if he gets beaten to a pulp by the inhabitant, has little claim to justice, from a legal perspective.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 03, 2006, 07:58:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:56:04 pm
No, my legal resource tells me that defending  home supersedes assault.  A vandal in the process of breaking windows, if he gets beaten to a pulp by the inhabitant, has little claim to justice, from a legal perspective.

Whew! that's a relief
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 08:07:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:56:04 pm
No, my legal resource tells me that defending  home supersedes assault.  A vandal in the process of breaking windows, if he gets beaten to a pulp by the inhabitant, has little claim to justice, from a legal perspective.

Ahh... it's different in the UK, you can use "necessary force" (or something like that) but nothing excessive when defending either your person or your property. There have been a couple of high profile cases because of it.

Glad to her that Ennis isn't at risk. Well, not from the law anyway. Not sure how Ellery's going to react.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 08:09:49 pm
It is one of those Constitutional things in our Bill of Rights that is reflected in the laws governing trespassing.  A trespasser violates the rights of the propery owner at his own risk, and the trespass supersedes the personal injury the trespasser may suffer from the citizen protecting his home and person.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 08:14:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 08:09:49 pm
It is one of those Constitutional things in our Bill of Rights that is reflected in the laws governing trespassing.  A trespasser violates the rights of the propery owner at his own risk, and the trespass supersedes the personal injury the trespasser may suffer from the citizen protecting his home and person.

Well at least your laws are clear, everyone knows where they stand, ours are a bit vague. If someone broke into my house and in my fear and panic I stoved their head in with the iron or stabbed them with a carving knife I could be liable to prosecution on murder, or at least manslaughter, charges.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 08:16:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:32:49 pm
I was quoting Ricardo Montalban in his Chevrolet commercial (or whatever car it was.)

That's what I was thinking, too. And it's a made up leather, whatever it is called.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 03, 2006, 08:24:14 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 08:14:56 pm
Well at least your laws are clear, everyone knows where they stand, ours are a bit vague. If someone broke into my house and in my fear and panic I stoved their head in with the iron or stabbed them with a carving knife I could be liable to prosecution on murder, or at least manslaughter, charges.

Karen

well yes. but we aren't talking about murder - we're talking about punching a guy out and knocking him unconscious.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 03, 2006, 09:56:37 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 08:16:15 pm
That's what I was thinking, too. And it's a made up leather, whatever it is called.

L

Ricardo Montalban used to do those campy Chrysler Cordoba commercials bragging about the fine (albeit optional) Corinthian Leather.      The leather was real, not that fake naugahyde stuff.   

This was before Ricardo starred in Star Trek III, the Wrath of Khan.  Then Chrysler dropped him and switched to using fine "Mark Cross" leather.    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 10:49:28 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 03, 2006, 09:56:37 pm
Ricardo Montalban used to do those campy Chrysler Cordoba commercials bragging about the fine (albeit optional) Corinthian Leather.      The leather was real, not that fake naugahyde stuff.   

This was before Ricardo starred in Star Trek III, the Wrath of Khan.  Then Chrysler dropped him and switched to using fine "Mark Cross" leather.    ;)

Thank God we have a car enthusiast who can set us all straight. Chyrsler Cordoba, Corinthian leather. Got it. Thanks, David.

Now, is there anyone who remembers the PG-13 rated movie that says Fuck only once?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: neatfreak on November 03, 2006, 10:53:51 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 06:29:00 am
Gee, I don't know. Betty, a new reader of the Saga, just finished "Taking Chances" and said it had too much sex in it!  Maybe I need to write less sex.

Just want to clarify: I'm not this Betty. I have found the sex in these volumes to be quite, um, educational. Yes, that's it: educational. I'm all for learning new things.

Betty/neatfreak
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 11:15:27 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 03, 2006, 07:43:35 pm
Wow... you have got a good memory. I don't recall that bit. Then again, my rock 'n' roll lifestyle is taking it's toll on my brain cells.

Karen

Talking of rock 'n' roll - Maybe Ennis has disco deafness!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 11:34:37 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 03, 2006, 11:24:41 am

2.  How many times was the word fuck spoken in BBM?  I know Jack said at their last meeting by the lake.  Did he say at the Thanksgiving fiasco?  Did Ennis ever say it?  I can't recall, darn it!

I am actually reading the 31 March 2004 draft of the screenplay and I believe the first "fuck" in the movie is uttered by Aguirre, when he is talking on the phone and says, "No. No. Not on your fuckin' life."

I need to find one of those websites that counts word utterances for the total number after that.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 11:50:17 pm
Laramie – A Lovers’ Tale

Laramie is a peaceful town
Its people love to wander
up and down its sunny streets
Their hearts grow ever fonder

The people here are just plain folks
who like a beer and cracking jokes
To chill out in the morning sun
and just enjoy a little fun

Down the road in Riverton
there lives another breed
that frets and fumes
its angst consumes
and on itself appears to feed

They cast dark looks upon their neighbour
from their bustling town
Hurling curses as they labour
to bring old Laramie down

While on the surface Riverton
seems welcoming and friendly
Underneath that beaming smile
lurks bitterness and bile

The town locked Ennis in his trailer
ever doomed to grief
For him to smile was deemed a crime
there never was a place or time
so lacking in belief

The general feeling in the town
is Ennis had no hope
He’d drink and grieve and find some work
mucking out for Scrope

They can’t conceive
that he would leave
his hopelessness behind
On a journey to discover
what was always on his mind

To find out more about the life
that he had feared and lost
The kind of life that Jack had known
that came at such a cost

And so a shrine to loss was built
It was a great endeavour
And a new faith was proclaimed
Two lovers paired forever

But love can never be restricted
People’s lives thus so afflicted
Love had never really left
nor would Ennis stay bereft

Ennis set out on his journey
reaching out for Jack
On the road to Laramie
he never once looked back

For Ennis found that hope returns
through pain and loss that sears and burns
The love that shone in Jack’s sweet face
he found in Ellery’s warm embrace

Even though through ridicule
some seek to blight this story
Ennis lives to tell the tale
of loss and new love’s glory

And we who read this lovers’ tale
remember how the boys’ travail
in Brokeback made their lives a hell
And so refuse to hate as well
those people who would see him fail

Let’s all remember that the aim
of Annie’s tale was not to blame
nor hate that which we cannot see
nor loathe instead of disagree

Hope in the heart burns like a flame
that purges grief and blame
An endless love that’s pure and free
for all of us in Laramie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 04, 2006, 12:02:24 am
Re: Laramie - A Lover's Tale

Wow!  That was amazing and wonderful.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 04, 2006, 12:06:15 am
Jo, you rock!  The following quoted paragraph is particularly true, too bad many people neglected this and put their emphasis on other aspects of the story.

-QUOTE-
Let’s all remember that the aim
of Annie’s tale was not to blame
nor hate that which we cannot see
nor loathe instead of disagree
-UNQUOTE-
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 04, 2006, 12:34:32 am
Lots of fine leathers are known by the specific type of  animal hides used and the curing process used in tanning them, and where they come from.
Corinthian leather is imported,  processed from Corinth Italy.
And the same is true of Cordobian leathers coming from Cordoba Spain.
So depending on what you are using the leather for it could have come from either place, and/or lots of places.


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I don't know what to make of this last chapter, first the kid is way too stupid to actually work in a DA's office, vandalism??, breaking windows, and thinking nothing is going to happen to him?? Or that they won't take action against him??  Now he'll have a record and will be less help to his family than before.
ANd according to past chapters--IF his father is Ellery's old partner Esteban, Ellery said they worked well together and he was transferred,(we don't know how voluntary I guess) he didn't lose his job, unless Ellery(and us) doesn't know the whole story.   When I re read, the only people who actually lost their job were the rednecks that wouldn't work with Ellery-and that wasn't Esteban--so I am not getting what the kids motivation seems to be or why now, considering if he was bent this way, he has known where Ellery is for years.

What am I missing???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 04, 2006, 01:27:02 am
Jo, Laramie - A Lovers' Tale was beautiful.  I'm accustomed to your poems that have me laughing out loud, and now I discover that you can do serious and poignant, too.  You have a real talent.  (Have you ever written a fanfic, or considered it? I would definitely read it.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 04, 2006, 01:34:05 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:41:48 pm
Laurel, in the Hugh Hugh Hugh thread is long-haired Hugh in full length black leather pants.  I think that might suit you!
SQUEEEEE!!! (My first ever Squee; it felt good!)

OMG, I didn't even know there was a Hugh Hugh Hugh thread!  See what happens when RL interferes with the important stuff - I get behind on reading the E&E thread, and I don't have time to explore the new layout of Bettermost, and I miss important news like the existence of a Hugh Hugh Hugh thread!  I must get my priorities in order!  I'm off to check it out now - I may be gone a while! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 04, 2006, 03:31:22 am
Quote from: louisev on November 03, 2006, 07:48:30 pm
Just because I can - Long-haired Hugh in black leather pants!

(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1459/mtv8qx7.jpg)
THUD!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 04, 2006, 03:46:41 am
Jo, Laramie - A Lover's Tale, that was just beautiful.

"For Ennis found that hope returns
through pain and loss that sears and burns
The love that shone in Jack’s sweet face
he found in Ellery’s warm embrace"

that really is the heart of this wonderful story! so well said, thank you


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 04:40:17 am
Mornin all.Mornin June. ;)


QUOTE:
Holy God Louise, Ennis went a bit cro-magnon there didn't he?   Does he ever listen to Ellery once his blood is up? I can see a heated exchange between them once Lorenzo's in custody.   If I was Ellery I'd be a bit fed up with Ennis, especially him decking the young fella after Ellery already had him under arrest. Then again, he wouldn't be under arrest if Ennis hadn't caught him.QUOTE:

I see your point Kazza, yes maybe a did go a bit OTT, but like I said on LJ, his temper is just part of his nature..he cant change that. Once the red mist has come down and your temper has gone flying to the moon thats it, you dont listen or think. He already lost someone he loved very much to violence, and he could do nothing about that. This time he can and he will. He probably wasnt thinking of his own saftey, he was trying to protect Ellery. I dont think he should yell at him. He,ll see his point once he,s calmed down, like he did over the Worrel thing, when yes I know he promised he wouldnt do something like that again, but then we come back to his temper. Someone was trying to hurt his precious Ellery and he lost it. He,s changed an awful lot since he met Ellery, and whereas once, he might have just sat back and said nothing, now he wont. He wont put up with being called a faggot to his face, and why should he? He wont put up with people trying to break into their home and why should he? If I was Ellery, I,d talk about it obviously once everything has calmed down but I wouldnt yell at him. They come from different worlds Ennis and Ellery. Ellery has had a somewhat privilged life. Ennis is a cowboy from the sticks. He,s used to settling things with his fists, thats the way they do things where he comes from. Thats my 2 pence worth anyway. ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 04, 2006, 04:53:50 am
Souxi - I totally take your point. I guess that losing Jack to a violent attack has made Ennis even more sensitive when it comes to threats to his and Ellery's happiness and safety.

I was having a bit of a knee jerk reaction of my own  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 06:30:49 am
Wonderful poem, Jo... thank you for sharing the message.

And Ranchgal, you haven't missed anything - you summarized the plot we know to date regarding Ellery's former partner during the Bill years.  What is not yet known or revealed is what "Larry"'s beef is about or why he went after Ellery and Ennis at that moment.  Or who his red-haired accomplice is.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 06:34:28 am
I just got a message on Livejournal:

Sorry, there was a power interruption at our datacenter. at our datacenter.

We're working as fast as we can to get it back pronto!

Looks like Livejournal is down for now. If I get a new chapter done I will post it here if Livejournal is still down when I get it done.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 07:17:58 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 03, 2006, 11:50:17 pm
Laramie – A Lovers’ Tale

For Ennis found that hope returns
through pain and loss that sears and burns
The love that shone in Jack’s sweet face
he found in Ellery’s warm embrace

Let’s all remember that the aim
of Annie’s tale was not to blame
nor hate that which we cannot see
nor loathe instead of disagree





Beautiful Jo ~ Thank You ~ these two parts are so wonderful  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 07:21:21 am
Just in case anyone missed it, since LJ is down - here is Chapter 72:

Chapter 72: An Old Injury

(Saturday, October 21, 1984)

“Goddammit!” Ellery cursed as he got to the kitchen and saw the shards of glass spraying the floor.  “Where are my goddamn shoes...”

Ennis bolted out of the bedroom, boots on.  “Gimme the gun, I’ll go,” he said, reaching for it. 

Ellery put up, aiming away from him.  “I can’t, Ennis.  Don’t go out there. Let me get my goddamn shoes – Ennis!” he cried helplessly as Ennis turned without pausing, snapped open the lock on the patio door and raced out, boots hitting the patio boards once as he sprang off in pursuit of the vandal now fleeing through the hedge.  Ellery rushed back in the bedroom, cramming his bare feet into his loafers and followed Ennis, who was now longer in site.

“Where are you?” Ellery cried, running toward the place he saw the fleeing figure in the green parka, and heard an incoherent, faint shout from the direction of the pine woods leading to the county road.  Ennis’s voice.

Ellery plunged into the misty gloom of the pine woods, heading toward where he heard the voice, the sound of his own footsteps on the frosty undergrowth and snapping twigs obliterating the subtler and more distant sounds of Ennis’s pursuit.  The cold air burned in his throat, his back began to tighten and ache almost immediately, as it had during his pursuit of the sniper. I am not fit to run full speed, he thought to himself with a pang of disappointment, hoping that the person Ennis was chasing was unarmed, and that the next sound he heard would not be the sound of gunfire.  Ennis, why did you have to take off like that?  Beneath the anxiety, he felt an unreasoning anger at Ennis, for taking a risk he had made him promise not to take again after confronting Justin Worrell at Wes’s.  And he’s done it again.

Ellery’s pace slackened, and he put a hand on his now-throbbing low back, then spotted a flash of white – Ennis’s shirt.  He was bending over, but moving.  “Ennis!” he shouted.  “Don’t hurt em!”  but his throat was parched, his voice breaking.  He paused for what seemed like an hour, catching his breath, pressing his fingers into the spasm in his back, and then hurried at a half-run in the direction of Ennis’s white shirt.

Ennis was punching the man on the ground, taking full swings from the shoulder, not looking up, snarling through gritted teeth.

“Ennis!  Stop!  Ennis!”  Ellery lunged at him, trying to stop the pumping arm whose strength had restrained Ellery so often during sex.  “I got ta  - ENNIS!” he shouted, dragging back on his shoulder.

Ennis’s eyes were black with rage, blowing out hard breaths, his face bright red with exertion, one eye already brightening with a blue bruise.  The vandal had gotten one blow in before Ennis had beaten him to the ground.  Ennis stepped back, gasping in cold lungfuls of air, and Ellery let go of him and knelt down.  The figure on the ground had blood on jet-black, near-shoulder length hair,  his hat several yards away, and in the sudden quiet, Ellery could hear his sobbing breaths, hands still held protectively over his forehead and face.  “I’m a peace officer an I’ve got a gun - get up,” he said, quietly but forcefully.

“Don’t hurt me,” came the reply from the shivering figure, which looked to be a young man, rather than a teenager.

“I ain’t gonna hurt you unless you do somethin stupid like try ta punch me like ya did him.  I said get up,” Ellery said, this time raising his voice to a harsh command.  And this time – he obeyed.  Ellery looked back at Ennis, whose complexion had faded to a bright pink, a shiner rising on his right cheek – the same place he had been hit by Bill.  Ellery spared a worried look for Ennis, who was still glaring fixedly at the man on the ground, who turned over gingerly and sat, propping himself up shakily with his hands behind him.  His face was a mass of bruises from Ennis’s fist, and he had one visible cut along his jaw and beneath his ear, probably where he had hit a rock when he went down.

“I can’t stand up,” the youth said.  “Hurt my knee – he – kicked me down.”

“Is it broken?”

He shook his head.  “Gimme a minute.”

“You didn’t give me no fuckin minute –“ Ennis growled from behind him – and Ellery held out a hand to ward Ennis away.

“Take it easy, Ennis.  He’s under arrest.”

The man on the ground let out a sobbing sigh and struggled to his feet, and Ellery stepped back, keeping the pistol trained on him.  “You gonna come quietly?”

He nodded, looking uneasily at the pistol.  “I ain’t gonna run.  Can’t run no more.”  He was favoring his right leg.

“Can ya walk?”

“I dunno, I’ll try.”  The youth put weight on his leg, hissed, and took a limping step.  “Yeah.  Slowly.”

“I wanna know who he is,” Ennis said, his voice still sharp with anger, unassuaged by the blows he had rained on the youth’s swollen face.

The youth turned and looked up at Ennis and then at Ellery, then away, taking another painful limping step back in the direction they had come, toward the house.

“I know who it is, Ennis,” Ellery said.

“What?”

Turning once more, the youth nodded gravely, and then resumed walking.

“I said I know who it is.  That’s Larry Esteban.”

“Who the fuck is Larry Esteban?”

“Lorenzo,” the youth said.  “Mr. Faggot Deputy knows my daddy.  He got him fired from the Sheriff’s department.”

“Shut your fuckin hole, boy, or I’ll knock them pretty white teeth right out!”  Ennis shouted.

“Ennis – please,” Ellery said, once again raising his free hand in a restraining gesture.

Esteban glared at Ennis, eyes blazing with rekindled fury.  “You just try it, faggot.”

Ellery had no time to react before Enis was on him once more, knocking him to the ground with a roundhouse punch, then pommeled him once more, this time along the side of his head.  Esteban stayed down this time, losing consciousness with a groan.

“Fuck, Ennis!”

“Nobody calls me that ta my face!”  Ennis roared.

“You gonna carry em now? Cause I sure can’t.  An I better get back inside before my back completely locks up an I can’t walk.”

“Yeah I’ll carry em.  Fuckin punk kid.  Right ta jail.“

“Goddammit, Ennis,” Ellery swore softly. 

Ennis leaned over and heaved the slight youth up and over his shoulder, grunting under the weight.  “What?  You wanted me ta just do nothin?  After what he done ta us?”

“No, Ennis.  But he’d surrender to the law.  Ya don’t punch em after they surrender.”

“This some kind a sheriff thing?”

Ellery smiled wanly.  “Yeah.”

“Good thing I don’t work for you, then.  Come on.”  Ennis led the way back to the house, the unconscious Lorenzo Esteban lolling over his shoulder like a half-empty sack of grain.

“Damn good thing,” Ellery said under his breath.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 07:22:58 am
Quote from: louisev on November 04, 2006, 06:34:28 am
I just got a message on Livejournal:

Sorry, there was a power interruption at our datacenter. at our datacenter.

We're working as fast as we can to get it back pronto!

Looks like Livejournal is down for now. If I get a new chapter done I will post it here if Livejournal is still down when I get it done.

Oh that's so frustrating  >:(  but I thought it was my comp acting up so I'm relieved it's not. Has it been down all morning?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 04, 2006, 07:30:18 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 10:49:28 pm
Now, is there anyone who remembers the PG-13 rated movie that says Fuck only once?

L

   Um,  1997s Titanic?     ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 04, 2006, 07:58:30 am
I think maybe that Ennis was lashing out at the feared threat which had kept him and Jack apart -the threat that this man embodied.

And when he said the word "faggot" that put the tin hat on it. If Ellery hadn't been on hand he may have even ended up killing him in his rage.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 08:13:20 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 04, 2006, 07:58:30 am
I think maybe that Ennis was lashing out at the feared threat which had kept him and Jack apart -the threat that this man embodied.

And when he said the word "faggot" that put the tin hat on it. If Ellery hadn't been on hand he may have even ended up killing him in his rage.

I absolutely agree Jo. Faggot was just too much for him, sent him right off the deep end and I believe he would have killed him too.
I wonder how Ellery's back is  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 04, 2006, 09:09:34 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 03, 2006, 11:34:37 pm
I am actually reading the 31 March 2004 draft of the screenplay and I believe the first "fuck" in the movie is uttered by Aguirre, when he is talking on the phone and says, "No. No. Not on your fuckin' life."

I need to find one of those websites that counts word utterances for the total number after that.

L

I found it!

PROFANITY 6 - 23 F-words, 3 sexual references, 9 scatological terms, 9 anatomical terms, 27 mild obscenities, 2 derogatory terms for homosexuals, name-calling (stupid), 11 religious profanities, 2 religious exclamations.

And here's part of the sex rating:

Two men hug and kiss passionately, and the wife of one of them sees them kissing. Two men kiss, they lie in a tent together (one man is bare-chested), and they hold and caress each other. Two bare-chested men wrestle and play fight, they end up on the ground, one on top of the other, and they kiss. Two bare-chested men lie in bed in a motel room holding each other (presumably after sex).

Somehow, it just takes all the fun out of it, doesn't it?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 04, 2006, 09:16:29 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 04, 2006, 07:30:18 am
   Um,  1997s Titanic?     ???

Perhaps. It does have one fuck and was rated PG-13.

Good memory, David!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 09:29:50 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 04, 2006, 09:09:34 am
I found it!

PROFANITY 6 - 23 F-words, 3 sexual references, 9 scatological terms, 9 anatomical terms, 27 mild obscenities, 2 derogatory terms for homosexuals, name-calling (stupid), 11 religious profanities, 2 religious exclamations.

And here's part of the sex rating:

Two men hug and kiss passionately, and the wife of one of them sees them kissing. Two men kiss, they lie in a tent together (one man is bare-chested), and they hold and caress each other. Two bare-chested men wrestle and play fight, they end up on the ground, one on top of the other, and they kiss. Two bare-chested men lie in bed in a motel room holding each other (presumably after sex).

Somehow, it just takes all the fun out of it, doesn't it?

Leslie

Good grief Leslie, such debauchery on the screen, no wonder it was R rated. Its a wonder we didnt all end up with post traumatic stress disorder from seeing 2 bare chested men..kissing as well!! :o :o :o Whatever next. ::) ::) Do you think film directors live in the same century as us? Do they honestly think we are shocked by that? Ermmmmmmmmmmm, nope we want more lol. And as for hearing the word fuck....deary me, I need a brandy now...I dont even know what it means. ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 04, 2006, 09:58:31 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 04, 2006, 09:09:34 am
I found it!

PROFANITY 6 - 23 F-words, 3 sexual references, 9 scatological terms, 9 anatomical terms, 27 mild obscenities, 2 derogatory terms for homosexuals, name-calling (stupid), 11 religious profanities, 2 religious exclamations.

And here's part of the sex rating:

Two men hug and kiss passionately, and the wife of one of them sees them kissing. Two men kiss, they lie in a tent together (one man is bare-chested), and they hold and caress each other. Two bare-chested men wrestle and play fight, they end up on the ground, one on top of the other, and they kiss. Two bare-chested men lie in bed in a motel room holding each other (presumably after sex).

Somehow, it just takes all the fun out of it, doesn't it?

Leslie

I saw reviews of the film in religious newsletters on the net which enumerated this stuff. The only things they missed were the number of impure thoughts. It is like boiling down the Song of Solomon to "numerous references to body parts". Body parts and crowd control - that's what it's all about.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 10:45:26 am
Well I,ve managed to look at LJ a couple of times but then I got "the page cannot be displayed" again. The server is really slow so obviously they havnt fixed whatever it is yet.Which means I cant look at any fan fic.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 10:48:17 am
Quote from: souxi on November 04, 2006, 10:45:26 am
Well I,ve managed to look at LJ a couple of times but then I got "the page cannot be displayed" again. The server is really slow so obviously they havnt fixed whatever it is yet.Which means I cant look at any fan fic.  >:( >:(

I can't either Souxi *cries* *wails* It's SO depressing  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 10:49:28 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 04, 2006, 09:09:34 am

Somehow, it just takes all the fun out of it, doesn't it?

Leslie

It sure does  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 11:18:49 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 10:48:17 am
I can't either Souxi *cries* *wails* It's SO depressing  :'(

I know..I,ve chewed one set of fingernails already..I,m starting on the other hand now. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 11:22:05 am
okay, LJ is back, and I am typing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 04, 2006, 11:24:48 am
Quote from: louisev on November 04, 2006, 11:22:05 am
okay, LJ is back, and I am typing.

Capital!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 11:30:31 am
It is back up  but its very very slow. Takes ages to load the page. :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 11:32:46 am
For those who want a quicker and more user-friendly fan fiction experience check out


www.zebratta.com

On the main page there is a section now called "Fan Fiction" and "Taking Chances has been fully indexed and interactive!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 11:54:01 am
Quote from: louisev on November 04, 2006, 11:32:46 am
For those who want a quicker and more user-friendly fan fiction experience check out


www.zebratta.com

On the main page there is a section now called "Fan Fiction" and "Taking Chances has been fully indexed and interactive!

Yep I,ve just looked Louise. Brilliant!! Now all we need is the CD Rom, DVD, Book, merchandise,(mugs,posters etc) and we,ll be laughing!! ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 12:16:24 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/144223.html  "Chapter 73: The Hands of the Law"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 04, 2006, 01:15:11 pm
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I find it very interesting that Wes seems to know a lot more about this situation than anyone else, I also find if interesting that he immediately knows where to locate Esteban Sr.

Looking forward to finding out what he knows, and I don't see Estban sr getting too upset about his son/perp getting knocked over after repeatedly vandalizing property and breaking window/doors.   the kid may be his son, but he is no child---and working for a DA, he knows something of law breaking/enforcement and with his father being in law enforcement too---I see him being some disappointed in the kid before he worries too much about a black eye---the kid got it from a private citizen while he was breaking the law--they may not enjoy his injuries, but I don't see anyone getting too riled up over an adult with bruises.

HAve to admit, Ennis isn't doing anyone any favors going off the deep end though.  And while he doesn't work for Ellery, he also should know about personal responsibility fighting with someone smaller than you.   
But I seriously think Ennis wasn't even really reacting to this kid, I think he was just overreacting to the stress level of NOT KNOWING what was going on with this/who had it in for them and not knowing why.      When he found something out, and had an opportunity to take out the past frustrations, it just came out.     I sense that Ellery is a little disappointed that Ennis wouldn't listen to him better in the heat of battle.   And rightly so.  Ellery is competent to handle the situation withOUT  Ennis' additional add ons with his fists.

I am still not getting LJ to work for comments yet, as it throws me off when I try. LOL so this is just my reaction to the chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 01:25:58 pm
thanks for all the comments, RG - and I think you are right, Ellery is disappointed, in part because he got to see just how little influence he has on Ennis when he flies into this kind of rage.  Ellery has a temper - but it doesn't come out very often.  And yes, Wes does know more about the Esteban family.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 01:29:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 04, 2006, 01:25:58 pm
thanks for all the comments, RG - and I think you are right, Ellery is disappointed, in part because he got to see just how little influence he has on Ennis when he flies into this kind of rage.  Ellery has a temper - but it doesn't come out very often.  And yes, Wes does know more about the Esteban family.

TBH I dont think anyone would have much influence over Ennis once he,d lost his temper. He seems to fly into such a blinding rage that nothing gets through to him, not even Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 04, 2006, 01:45:28 pm
SPOILERS

Quote from: ranchgal on November 04, 2006, 01:15:11 pm
Spoilers.......

HAve to admit, Ennis isn't doing anyone any favors going off the deep end though.  And while he doesn't work for Ellery, he also should know about personal responsibility fighting with someone smaller than you.   
But I seriously think Ennis wasn't even really reacting to this kid, I think he was just overreacting to the stress level of NOT KNOWING what was going on with this/who had it in for them and not knowing why.      When he found something out, and had an opportunity to take out the past frustrations, it just came out.     I sense that Ellery is a little disappointed that Ennis wouldn't listen to him better in the heat of battle.   And rightly so.  Ellery is competent to handle the situation withOUT  Ennis' additional add ons with his fists.

I am still not getting LJ to work for comments yet, as it throws me off when I try. LOL so this is just my reaction to the chapter.

I think Ennis is reacting to a series of events that have been happening to him since he set a foot in Laramie, especially the kidnapping. In chapter 56 Ellery realizes the following:

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Ellery sat back, observing Reynolds with admiration. He knew how to draw out even a disturbed and jumpy Ennis, whose mind was completely fixed upon erasing the hateful words now blazoned in red on the side of his house. He was upset too, but the pettiness of the graffiti, most likely painted by some neighborhood kids who had finally noticed Ennis had moved in and decided to play an early Halloween joke, tempered his anxiety. This was not like getting shot at in front of the Sheriff’s office, or being stalked and assaulted by Worrell. But there was Ennis to think about: Ennis had been kidnapped, and while he hadn’t shown any evidence of being traumatized by his abduction and injuries, his obvious tension and barely restrained anger might be evidence of how shallowly the trauma lay beneath the surface.


To this we have to add the confrontation with Bunny and Julia, and especially the trauma he experienced after being taken by his own father to see the corpse of a dead gay rancher. IMO, Larry Esteban is lucky to be alive.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 01:48:50 pm
all very good points too, Natali.

I am working on the next chapter, the aftermath, and sitting all alooooone in chat!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 01:54:51 pm
Quote from: opinionista on November 04, 2006, 01:45:28 pm
SPOILERS

I think Ennis is reacting to a series of events that have been happening to him since he set a foot in Laramie, especially the kidnapping. In chapter 56 Ellery realizes the following:
 

To this we have to add the confrontation with Bunny and Julia, and especially the trauma he experienced after being taken by his own father to see the corpse of a dead gay rancher. IMO, Larry Esteban is lucky to be alive.

Yep very well put there. What your saying is, that in effect, Ennis has been a big powder keg for years, with all this pent up rage just waiting to be unleashed. Unfortunatly, this kid semed to bear the brunt of it. Your right, he is VERY lucky to be alive. But how to keep that rage under control? How to channel it? Yelling at him, will IMHO only make matters worse. He,ll end up loosing his rag again, which is the last thing anyone needs..then Ellery will fly into a rage and before you know it they,ll be punching each other. :o :o :o Cue good old Wes. Maybe he can talk to him. He always seems to know the right thing to say, bless him. I like Wes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 02:23:38 pm
Louise ~ I still can't get into LJ ~ ARRRGGHHHH ~ I managed to very briefly but can't anymore  >:( so can you put the latest chapter up here as well?

Has everyone else been able to access LJ and leave comments??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 02:25:09 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 02:23:38 pm
Louise ~ I still can't get into LJ ~ ARRRGGHHHH ~ I managed to very briefly but can't anymore  >:( so can you put the latest chapter up here as well?

Has everyone else been able to access LJ and leave comments??

Nope. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 02:26:43 pm
I was just about to do this - since it appears LJ is going up AND down.

Chapter 73: The Hands of the Law

(Saturday, October 21, 1984)

Ennis stepped over the broken glass in the kitchen, and gave Ellery a quizzical look.  “What should I do with em?”

“Set em down on the sofa I think.  Let’s try ta get em ta come around, I got smellin salts in the medicine chest.  I hope ya didn’t break somethin...” Ellery said, trying not to limp as he went into the bathroom.  Ennis dropped the unconscious Esteban onto the sofa with a disgusted sound, standing over him as though to punch him again if he dared stir.  Ennis was still enraged.

Ellery went in the bedroom and put on his shoulder holster, securing the pistol in it.  In the bathroom, he took an ice pack out of the medicine chest at the same time as the tube of smelling salts, and brought it to the freezer in the kitchen and set it inside.  To his dismay, he saw there were no other ice packs already cold.  Then he returned to the living room and sank down next to the unconscious youth, looking up at Ennis.  “Ya got ta promise me ya ain’t gonna hit em no more.”

“If he calls me that again –“

“Ya ignore em.  Please, Ennis.  You got socked in the eye once an ended up with a concussion.  I don’t want em hurt anymore.”

Ennis paced, seething.  “What’s all the tender feelins for em for?  I should a just kept on –“

Ellery shook his head.  “Esteban was closer ta me than Joe was, Ennis.  He was my best friend in the Department. My partner.  Do ya get it?  Not only this –“

“What?”  Ennis was not calming down any time soon, judging from the hostile tone of his voice.

“This kid works for Mel.  He’s his clerk.”

“What?”

“He works for Mel Ruskin.  You might not a seen em that day, an I didn’t recognize em neither, cause it’s been a few years since I last saw em.  I got ta call Wes an talk to em about this.”

“Ya just got ta call 911 an have em locked up!”

“Not so fast, Ennis.”

“Why the hell not?”

“Because it’s complicated is why not.  Now before I wake em up – tell me you ain’t gonna hit em anymore,”  Ellery gave Ennis a hard look, and Ennis glared back for a long moment before dropping his eyes.

“Okay.”

“You promise.”

“I promise!”  he snarled, and turned on his heel, stalking into the bedroom.

Ellery dug his fingers into his back, stretching experimentally, then unscrewed the cap on the tube in his hand and held it under Esteban’s nostrils, waving it slowly under them.  “Please don’t be in a coma, boy.”

Esteban groaned, his lashes fluttering, and Ellery kept the tube under his nose until he took a deep breath through his mouth and coughed, gagged, and tried to sit up, pushing Ellery’s hand away.  “No – stop!” he said.  Ellery put the cap on the tube and set it down. 

“You okay?”  Ellery asked, glancing at the hallway to see if Ennis was returning.

“Head... hurts.”

“If you have any brains left in yer head you want taunt him no more. I can’t hold em back.  Ya got that?  I got somethin ta gag ya with if ya gonna be a fool. I’d rather stick a pair a socks in yer mouth than see you take another one to the face.”

“I won’t.”

“Ya better not.  That was fuckin dumb.”

“What a you care?  You didn’t care none about my Daddy.”

“Yer Daddy was transferred ta Cheyenne by the Sheriff an that had nothin ta do with me, Larry.  An if yer a law clerk ya ought ta know that.  I wasn’t a Chief Deputy back then an I didn’t make personnel decisions.  Now I’m gonna call my boss an he’s gonna come down here an we’re gonna have a little talk about what ta do about you.”

“Why don’t ya just drag me off ta jail?  That’s what ya want.  Vandalism, trespassin...”

“Don’t push me.  We can still do that.  But right now I want ya ta sit up, I’ll bring ya a cloth ta clean up an we’ll find out if ya got any serious damage, an then talk to the sheriff an bring ya ta get looked after.”

Lorenzo Esteban looked at Ellery curiously.  “You ain’t lockin me up?”

“Not this minute.  An don’t get off that sofa or I’ll put you in handcuffs.”

“Yes sir,” Esteban mumbled.

Ellery got up and went to the phone, this time, his hip faltering on him, and he limped, then lowered himself painfully into the recliner as he lifted the receiver.  Edna answered on the second ring.

“Edna is Wes there?  I got a situation here an I need em.”

“Yeah he is, just finishin his eggs.  Here ya go.”

He looked back at Esteban, who was watching him closely through hooded lids, the bruises on his face swelling.  He needed ice on them – and there was no ice, not for either of them.

“This is the Sheriff,” came Wes’s gruff voice.

“Hi Wes.  We caught one of our vandals just now, an Ennis whaled on em pretty bad, but he doesn’t seem like he’s got nothin broken.”

“Good.  Nobody’ll hold Ennis to account on that if he was caught there at yer house.”

“In the woods, but that’s where he chased em from.  It ain’t that simple, Wes.  It’s Esteban’s kid.”

“Son of a bitch.”

“This ain’t random, Sheriff.  It’s personal.”

“The one who works for Mel...”

“Yeah. I didn’t recognize em before, I guess you knew all along.”

“Happy ta see one a Esteban’s family doin good for a change, I helped em get in there.”

“I need ya ta come down, Wes. I don’t think we should just – I think...”

“I understand,” Wes said.  “Good thinkin.  I’ll be right over.”

“You know how ta get in touch with his daddy?”

“Yeah.  I’ll call em before I get there.  Half an hour, Ellery.  Put em in cuffs, that might discourage Ennis from hittin em any more.”

“Okay.”

“An read em his rights in any case.  I don’t know how Esteban’ll feel about your man beatin his kid up, no matter what he was doin, so we might have ta do some lawyerin stuff.”

“Right.  Sort a figured.”

“See ya soon.”

Ellery set down the phone.  “The Sheriff is comin.  You sit there an I’ll bring ya a washcloth so ya can get clean up a bit.  An I got ta put ya in handcuffs.”

“So I am under arrest.”

“Yup, for now.  Don’t run.”

“I don’t think I can stand,” he replied sullenly.

“Good.”  Ellery smiled grimly, and then went in the bedroom to get his police cuffs.  Ennis was sitting on the end of the bed, elbows on his knees.

“He wake up?”

“Yup.  Fortunately.”  Ellery picked up his handcuffs.  “Wes is comin over.”

“How come you ain’t just bookin em into jail?”

“We’ll talk about this later.”  Ellery put his hand on the doorknob, pausing.

“He done a crime, Ellery.  That is a fuckin crime what he done!”

“And our patio door is smashed ta bits.  Can you maybe call that Tony guy who came over before an see if he can replace it?  Otherwise we are gonna need a big fuckin piece a plywood.”

“Fuck,” Ennis said.

Ellery ran water in the bathroom sink and wet a washcloth when it got hot, grabbed a small towel and brought it back to the living room.  Esteban had not tried to move, but was running his fingers gingerly over his face and skull, probing the bruises gently.  Ellery handed him the washcloth and towel.  “Side a yer face is bleedin on the left.”

“Yeah.  Thanks.”  Esteban looked at the handcuffs in Ellery’s right hand, then began to wipe the blood off his ear and cheek with the cloth, his breath hissing.

“I got ta give you your rights,” Ellery said tiredly, sitting back down in the recliner with a stiff motion.  “You are under arrest for trespassin an vandalism.  You got the right ta remain silent....”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 02:48:19 pm
Chapter 74:  A Hidden Cost

(Saturday, October 21, 1984)

Ennis came out of the bedroom and grabbed his coat, not looking at the youth, now handcuffed on the sofa.  “Tony said they could come at noon, that gonna work?”

Ellery nodded.  “Good.”

“We need ta ... take evidence photos or somethin?”

Ellery shook his head, not explaining.  He glanced over – Esteban was watching him.  “Could you do me a favor, Ennis?”

“What?”  Ennis took his hands out of his pockets, trying to act relaxed.

“Could you get me my pills – the Percodan.”

“Oh shit.  Yeah.  Yer back –“

“Runnin didn’t agree with me,” Ellery said.  “An I don’t feel like it’s a good idea ta get up just this minute.”

Ennis rushed in the bedroom, his own angry mood forgotten, and returned with the pills, and got a glass of water for him.  “Do ya mind gettin some water for the kid?” he asked as he accepted the glass and the bottle.  “Some aspirin might help.”

“Okay.”  Ennis returned to the kitchen and returned with an aspirin bottle and another glass of water for Esteban.

“Wouldn’t mind one a those,” Esteban spoke suddenly, nodding at Ellery’s prescription bottle.

“Well you ain’t gettin one.  Givin ya one a these is a felony.” 

As Ennis set the water glass down, Ellery tossed him the key to the handcuffs, and Ennis unlocked the handcuffs.  Esteban shied slightly from Ennis as he approached, but Ennis’s temper had cooled to a taciturn silence.

“So now that ya got the right ta remain silent, ya want ta tell me what made ya throw over yer career workin for Mel just ta come over an spray paint my house an act like a nine year old with bad upbringin?”  Ellery said, then gulped down the pill with a mouthful of water.

“Don’t be actin like ya don’t know,” Esteban retorted.  “I’ll bet ya yer Sheriff knows.”

“If he does then he’s the only one, cause I haven’t got a fuckin clue what you’re talkin about.”

Ennis glared down at Esteban, holding the handcuffs.  “You watch yer mouth, boy.”

Esteban fell silent.

“Ennis, let em talk.  So what is this about your Daddy made you throw it all up in the air – you can’t be but twenty, twenty-one... an now, ain’t no way Mel is gonna keep you on, not with this...”

“It don’t matter,” Esteban shrugged.  “People like – people like you gettin all the commendations an promotions... there ain’t no opportunity for the rest of us kind anyhow.”

“People like me?”

“You know what I mean, Chief Deputy Cantrell...” the words came out as a blurred sneer through swollen lips.  “Your kind.”

“I’ve known your daddy a long time, boy, I ain’t never heard him talk about me bein a kind.  We got along real well.  He couldn’t a taught you all this.”

“He changed.  But you don’t know about that, do ya?  After he got shoved off ta Cheyenne – you don’t know cause you never saw em afterward,” Esteban replied cryptically.

“That weren’t none a my doin neither, boy.  What I can’t figure out is what has all this got ta do with you becomin a common vandal though?  Breakin my windows, paintin my house.  What did I ever do ta you?  Or my kind, as you put it.”

“Yer the detective – I guess yer gonna have ta figure that out yer own self,” Esteban retorted, unrepentant.  He gulped down the rest of his water.  “Ya can put the cuffs back on now,” he said to Ennis.

Ennis gave him a nasty smile and yanked his hands back, the cuffs clicking shut with a rapid move of his hands, and he took the cup, retreating to the kitchen.  From his posture, Ellery could tell Ennis was getting riled up again.  Good thing he never had any sons, Ellery thought suddenly.  From the clink of glass, he knew Ennis was cleaning up the smashed patio door.

“So who was yer accomplice when ya first came by on Thursday?”  Ellery asked, taking another sip of water, his throat still parched from the dash in the cold air.

“I got the right ta remain silent,” Esteban replied curtly, narrowing his eyes.

“Yes ya do.  But we ain’t decided what ta do with ya yet.”

“He ain’t responsible,” Esteban shot back.

“If he was here helpin you write ‘Die Queer’ on my house he sure is.”

Esteban did not reply, but smiled unpleasantly.

Wes’s Oldsmobile pulled up in the yard.  “Ennis, Wes is here.”

Ennis put his head through the doorway, looking first at Esteban, and set down the broom he held, opened the door and went out as Wes came up the walk.

“Mornin Ennis.  Ya caught a live one did ya?” Wes asked, offering his big hand.  Ennis shook it, nodding.

“Yup.  He broke the patio door.  I called yer guy Tony again an he’ll be here in a couple hours.”

“Good.  Nobody got too badly hurt?”

“Well, see for yerself.”

Wes leaned in close and dropped his voice.  “Don’t worry – ya don’t get charged for beatin somebody up who’s throwin rocks at yer house.”

Ennis smiled tightly.  “Thanks – wasn’t sure about that.”

“Take it from the Sheriff, boy.”  Wes stepped into the door.  “Little breezy in here, Ellery, you put on your air condition?”

“Yeah somethin like that.  Forgive me if I don’t get up, Wes.” 

“Larry,” Wes said, looking at the bruised youth handcuffed on the sofa.

“Hello Sheriff.”

“What the hell a you done, boy?”

“Caused a little trouble,” he replied, visibly intimidated by Wes’s presence towering over him in the room.

“Want some coffee, Wes?”  Ennis asked.

“Sure, that’d be great.  I just inhaled my breakfast and didn’t get a chance ta  savor a mornin cup.”

“It’ll take a few minutes, all I made so far is decaf.”

“I can wait.  We’re just gonna have a little talk, me an Larry here.  I thought when I gave you a recommendation ta go work over in Mel’s office things were lookin up for you, an you were gettin things organized ta go ta law school.  Now what’s this about?”

“You know what it’s about, Sheriff,” he said, gesturing with his chin and giving Ellery a narrow look.  Ellery gazed back at him steadily.

“Why don’t you explain it so we all know then,” Wes said, easing down next to him.

“Why don’t you take off these handcuffs?  Yer Deputy here thinks that all bruised an bloody I’m some kind a threat.”

“I told em ta put you in cuffs.  I want ya ta know yer under arrest an that vandalism is treated seriously here in Laramie, an not just because a who it is you vandalized.”

“You told em to?”  Esteban blinked slowly.

“Yeah, I did.  So we’re gonna talk a little bit an then we got ta decide if Chief Deputy Cantrell here is gonna press charges or not.”

“If?  There’s a question?” Esteban stared at Ellery.

“It ain’t every perpetrator gets a personal visit from the Sheriff, boy,” Wes said softly.  “Just the sons a the men who served under me who might be goin through somethin personal.”

“You might say it’s somethin personal,” Esteban replied, voice sharpening to impudence once more.  Yer Chief Deputy Big Shot is responsible for my daddy losin his job.”

“Oh, how do you figure that?  My Chief Deputy hasn’t been workin with your daddy for almost ten years now,” Wes said.  “He started workin down in Cheyenne when you were still in junior high school.”

“Cause a him!”  Esteban jerked his head at Ellery.  “An cause a him, he lost his job up here in Laramie, an lost his job in Cheyenne too.”

“What a ya mean?”  Wes asked, surprised.

“He ain’t workin there no more – he got – put on leave an they put em in a program.”

“What kind a program?” Ellery sat up, wincing at the spasm in his back.  The medication had not yet begun to work.

“An alcohol rehab program,” Esteban shot back.  “An he had no problem with drinkin before you came along an got em transferred down ta Cheyenne where everybody thought he was a faggot.”

“Larry –“ Wes said, his voice now stern.

“He wasn’t the one who was the faggot, was he, Chief Deputy Faggot?”  Esteban raised his voice.

Ennis loomed in the doorway.  “You say that again in this house an I swear –“

“Ennis you stay right where you are,” Wes said, standing up.  “I’m takin this boy inta custody.  Larry, get up.”

Ennis took a step into the room, and Ellery shook his head.  “Ennis.”

“Ya better take em out...” Ennis said, his voice a low, dangerous growl.  Esteban rose to his feet hurriedly, and Ellery propelled himself out of the chair, interposing his body between Ennis and the sofa.

“I’ll handle this personally, Ellery,” Wes said, opening the door.  “Come on, son.  You made a bad mistake just now.”

“Thank you Wes,” Ellery said, letting out a slow breath.  He watched the door close behind Wes as he walked Larry Esteban out to his car, then headed for the bedroom at a slow limp.  “I got ta lie down.”

“Darlin –“ Ennis said, moving toward him.  Ellery waved him off.

“Get yerself under control.  I’m gonna need yer help about now, Ennis.”  Ellery limped into the bedroom, unloading the pistol as he went.

Ennis turned away, eyes stinging.  “Okay.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 03:04:00 pm
Get yerself under control.  I’m gonna need yer help about now, Ennis.”  Ellery limped into the bedroom, unloading the pistol as he went.

Ennis turned away, eyes stinging.  “Okay.”

Powerful chapters Louise. I don't blame Ellery for reacting like this; he's hurting bad (oh man his poor back  :(), probably really disappointed in Ennis for breaking his promise, sad for his former partner, sad about Ennis totally losing it like that, even though he can understand it.

Can't wait for the next one. Thank God for Mel, coming over and taking charge like that.

Thanks Louise, as always  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 03:12:02 pm
Wes!  It was Wes who came over and took charge!

Sheriff Wesley Brown to the rescue!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 04, 2006, 03:17:03 pm
That was a sad chapter. I felt bad for Ellery but also for Larry. Must've been hard for him to see his dad going through hell and partly because of fuckin jealous Bill.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 03:18:37 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 04, 2006, 03:12:02 pm
Wes!  It was Wes who came over and took charge!

Sheriff Wesley Brown to the rescue!

OH shit Louise ~ damn typo! I knew that!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 03:21:09 pm
Dont feel too badly, June - because of the similarity in the names I have reversed them too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 03:25:18 pm
For those who are looking for the LJ version of the chapter, if you can reach it:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/144626.html  "Chapter 74:  A Hidden Cost"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 03:35:11 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 03:04:00 pm
Get yerself under control.  I’m gonna need yer help about now, Ennis.”  Ellery limped into the bedroom, unloading the pistol as he went.

Ennis turned away, eyes stinging.  “Okay.”

Powerful chapters Louise. I don't blame Ellery for reacting like this; he's hurting bad (oh man his poor back  :(), probably really disappointed in Ennis for breaking his promise, sad for his former partner, sad about Ennis totally losing it like that, even though he can understand it.

Can't wait for the next one. Thank God for Mel, coming over and taking charge like that.

Thanks Louise, as always  :)

I know, you cant really blame Ellery for reacting like that I spose, but I feel all sad now. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 03:49:36 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 04, 2006, 03:35:11 pm
I know, you cant really blame Ellery for reacting like that I spose, but I feel all sad now. :'( :'( :'( :'(

Me too Souxi  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 04:03:47 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 03:49:36 pm
Me too Souxi  :(

I shall spend the rest of the evening worrying about them now.  :'( :'( You cant blame Ellery for reacting the way he did..you cant really blame poor Ennis for the way he reacted. He was only defending his man. How do they work this out? Oh I do feel sad :'(. I hope they dont have a big fight about it. :'( Dont see what good more yelling is going to do, and somehow a frosty silence is even worse. :'( Worry, worry worry worry. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 04:09:46 pm
well Souxi, it is Saturday night... and I am working on the next chapter now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 04:18:44 pm
I,m going to have  a LARGE glass of this whilst I sit here. Worrying. :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 04:22:21 pm
awwwwww Souxi!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 04:23:00 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 04, 2006, 04:09:46 pm
well Souxi, it is Saturday night... and I am working on the next chapter now.

Oh goody Louise  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 04:24:33 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 04, 2006, 04:18:44 pm
I,m going to have  a LARGE glass of this whilst I sit here. Worrying. :'(

Yeah awwww Souxi darlin, I'll join ya even though I hate brandy  ;D  Do you have rosé??  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 04:27:22 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 04:24:33 pm
Yeah awwww Souxi darlin, I'll join ya even though I hate brandy  ;D  Do you have rosé??  ;D

Yep my darlin just for you, here ya go. Cheers!! hic.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 04:47:30 pm
Chapter 75:  Making Up

(Saturday, October 21, 1984)

Ellery drifted between uneasy sleep and almost-wakefulness, the spasm in his back retreating and pulling him under, away from awareness.  Somewhere in the distance, he heard the doorbell ring,  then shortly afterwards, the telephone, and sometime later, the bedroom door opened.

“Darlin,” came the now-calm voice of his lover, hovering uncertainly in the doorway.  He opened his eyes.

“What is it?”

“You awake?”

“Kinda... somethin wrong?”

“Wes wants ta talk to ya.”

“Can ya get me some water or somethin?”  Ellery scrambled at the covers, trying to sit up, and Ennis moved quickly to grab the phone and hand it to him.

“Sure, be right back.”

The receiver felt like it weighed ten pounds as Ellery took it, his voice barely above a whisper as he spoke.  “Cantrell.”

“Ellery I booked Larry Esteban on trespassin an property destruction an brought em ta get looked at up at Ivinson.  He’s okay except for a split lip an a stitch in his ear.  Thought you’d want ta know.”

“Yeah.”

“You on medicine?”

“Yeah, pulled my back runnin.”

“Ellery maybe you should know this before you tear a strip out a Ennis – he was pullin his punches.  He could a killed that boy, or broken out his teeth or his collarbone or somethin, an he didn’t.  So don’t go too hard on em.  This kind a thing is a nightmare come true for somebody been through what Ennis has.  This on top a Julia an Bunny.”

“I see, okay.  I haven’t taken a strip out of em yet.”

“Ya want me ta come by again?  Ennis calmed down?”

“I think so. I been in bed.”

“An don’t worry about Esteban.  I mean Lorenzo Senior.  That ain’t any a yer doin despite what Larry thinks.  He saw his daddy fall apart an he’d like ta blame somebody for it.”

“Okay.  That don’t make it easier.  You know how close we were.”

“I know.”

“Ya think I should go see em?”

“You think a man as proud as Esteban wants you goin down ta see him in dryout?  Go back ta sleep, Ellery, we can talk about it Monday.  An one more thing – the kid admitted he wasn’t givin you Samuelson’s messages, so you can stop steamin about her too.”

“Sumbitch.”

“He’s young, Ellery.  Remember when you were young?”

“I don’t think I was ever that young, Wes.”

“Try ta stop worryin an take care a yer back.”

“Yes, Sheriff.”

“That’s better.  I’ll call tonight an see how Ennis is doin.”

“Okay, bye now.”

Ellery let his head fall back to the pillow, the distant sound of the dial tone fading as he drifted off again, and Ennis returned, plucking the phone out of his hand and hanging it up.  “Ellery?” he asked softly, sitting down on the bed.

Ellery opened his eyes once more, and Ennis lifted the glass of water.  “Oh yeah, water.”

“How bad is it this time?”

“I dunno.  Don’t hurt much at the moment, I’m just thirsty.”   He took the glass gratefully and sipped, then handed it back.  “Help me sit up will ya?”

“Sure, come on.”  Ennis set the glass back down and slid an arm around Ellery’s shoulders, pulling him up, grabbed his own pillow and put it behind him, propping him upright, then handed back the glass.  Ellery gulped gratefully, his head nodding forward slightly as he fought off the drowsiness, then handed back the empty glass.

“Thank you, Ennis.  I shudder ta think what might happen if somethin like this happened ta me with you not around.”

“You’d have Edna lookin after ya,” Ennis said softly.

“Ain’t the same.”

“Darlin,” Ennis said, reaching a hand out and touching the hand that lay open on Ellery’s lap.

“Hm.”

“I’m sorry.  I don’t know what came over me.”

“It’s okay, Ennis.”

“No, it ain’t okay.  I didn’t even notice you was hurt.”

“I told ya not ta go.  Ya never heard me.”

“I know.”  Ennis bowed his head.  “I’m real sorry.”

“Okay.”

“Yer mad at me.”

Ellery shook his head.  “Not anymore.”

“I don’t, I just don’t understand –“

“I do.  Let it go.  It’s over.  Wes arrested the kid an that’s it.  Listen, I got an ice pack in the freezer, can ya get it for me?”

Ennis got up, confused at Ellery’s abrupt dismissal of his apology, and went to get the ice pack, wrapping it carefully in a thin towel, and brought it back.  Ellery smiled at him when he returned.  “Here ya go, let me get it on ya.”  Ennis knelt on the bed and helped ease Ellery onto his side, placing the pack on the mattress and then maneuvering him back against it.

“Thank you.”

Ennis sat quietly, wringing his hands together.  “I shouldn’t leave ya alone here.”

“I can’t argue with that.  I might need help walkin ta the bathroom, an I sure as hell can’t cook.”

“I’ll call Dupree an tell em I won’t be comin tonight.”

“Okay.”

“Darlin...”  Ennis grasped at Ellery’s hand, clutching it, misery reflected in his eyes.  “I’m sorry.”

“I know.  I forgive ya.  Okay?  Ya got a black eye ya know.”

Ennis touched the swollen spot on his cheek.  “Yeah.”

“Kiss me,” Ellery said softly. 

Ennis leaned forward, pressing his lips softly against Ellery’s, sliding one hand behind Ellery’s neck, kissing him gently, unhurriedly, whispering against his lips.  “Sorry.”

“Shhh...” Ellery whispered back, pressing his mouth back against Ennis’s, lips parting, kissing him more hungrily now, pulling him in close.

Ennis bent over him, one hand cupping the back of Ellery’s neck, the other sliding down his bare arm, holding him, trying not to lean against him, but needing the contact with his body, the reassurance of intimacy in the aftermath of shock, anger, and pain.  They broke the kiss slowly, reluctantly, and as their mouths separated, Ennis whispered to him once more.  “I love you.”

Ellery smiled, lids now half-closed. “I know.  It’s all right.  I got ta sleep now.”

Ennis brushed his fingers across the pale forehead, pushing strands of stray hair away and tucking them behind his ear, then kissing Ellery’s cheek.  “I’ll call Dupree now.”  He got up, and stopped at the door.  Ellery’s head lolled back, eyes now completely closed.  He was already asleep.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 04:53:26 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 04, 2006, 04:27:22 pm
Yep my darlin just for you, here ya go. Cheers!! hic.

Whooowee  ;D

Cheers!!

You drunk already?? LOL!   :-*

*off to read the next brilliant chapter*

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 04, 2006, 04:56:13 pm
Hiya!

I can't get on LJ.  Shucks! 
Is anyone else still having problems with it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 05:05:05 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 04, 2006, 04:56:13 pm
Hiya!

I can't get on LJ.  Shucks! 
Is anyone else still having problems with it?


Hi Milli!

I've been able to get on and off. Mostly off. Now I can't get on at all. SO SO frustrating!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2006, 05:06:32 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 04, 2006, 04:53:26 pm
Whooowee  ;D

Cheers!!

You drunk already?? LOL!   :-*

*off to read the next brilliant chapter*

 :)

Hahaha I was gettin there lol. :laugh: Louise thank you. :-* Thats better. I HATE it when our boys are unhappy. I shall sleep better now lol.Well I will if those bloody fireworks stop. Theres been loads and loads of em, and firework night is tomorow fgs lol. Right I,m off for the night now I,m happy again lol. Maybe a nice back massage is on the cards later when he wakes up. Night all, night June. ;) :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 04, 2006, 05:08:28 pm
I know! I can't read the chapters Louise has posted here because I am a chapter or two behind the first one posted.

Louise, could you send me chapter 70 to 72?  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 04, 2006, 05:09:37 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 04, 2006, 09:09:34 am
I found it!

PROFANITY 6 -  . . . Two men hug and kiss passionately, and the wife of one of them sees them kissing. Two men kiss, they lie in a tent together (one man is bare-chested), and they hold and caress each other. Two bare-chested men wrestle and play fight, they end up on the ground, one on top of the other, and they kiss. Two bare-chested men lie in bed in a motel room holding each other (presumably after sex).

Hey, they left out the first tent scene!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 04, 2006, 05:10:56 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 04, 2006, 04:56:13 pm
Hiya!

I can't get on LJ.  Shucks! 
Is anyone else still having problems with it?

Yeah, I still can't get on either. But Louise is providing us with plenty in the interim.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 05:15:07 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 04, 2006, 05:08:28 pm
I know! I can't read the chapters Louise has posted here because I am a chapter or two behind the first one posted.

Louise, could you send me chapter 70 to 72?  8)

Sure sweetie, I will send them in individual messages.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 04, 2006, 05:18:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 04, 2006, 05:15:07 pm
Sure sweetie, I will send them in individual messages.

Woohoo!  I just saw 70!  Cheers Louise!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 04, 2006, 05:28:57 pm
Quote from: Marge_Innavera on November 04, 2006, 05:09:37 pm
Hey, they left out the first tent scene!

There was a description of that. It merited its own paragraph, I guess because a bit of a bare butt was seen.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 05:36:58 pm
there was actually "haunch" not "cheek"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 04, 2006, 05:44:22 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 04, 2006, 04:47:30 pm

“Kiss me,” Ellery said softly. 

Ennis leaned forward, pressing his lips softly against Ellery’s, sliding one hand behind Ellery’s neck, kissing him gently, unhurriedly, whispering against his lips.  “Sorry.”

“Shhh...” Ellery whispered back, pressing his mouth back against Ennis’s, lips parting, kissing him more hungrily now, pulling him in close.

Ennis bent over him, one hand cupping the back of Ellery’s neck, the other sliding down his bare arm, holding him, trying not to lean against him, but needing the contact with his body, the reassurance of intimacy in the aftermath of shock, anger, and pain.  They broke the kiss slowly, reluctantly, and as their mouths separated, Ennis whispered to him once more.  “I love you.”

Ellery smiled, lids now half-closed. “I know.  It’s all right.  I got ta sleep now.”

Ennis brushed his fingers across the pale forehead, pushing strands of stray hair away and tucking them behind his ear, then kissing Ellery’s cheek.  “I’ll call Dupree now.”  He got up, and stopped at the door.  Ellery’s head lolled back, eyes now completely closed.  He was already asleep.


Oh Louise, that was lovely, so glad that they kissed and made up.   It was so sweet when Ellery asked Ennis to kiss him - it was like his way of saying "everything's ok". 

And when Ennis brushes Ellery's hair away from his forehead - that does something to me every time.

Thanks Louise, I havent been able to access lj either, and so I really appreciated you posting the last few chapters here.  I've spent the last hour catching up on the last few days' worth of posts here, and it seems I've missed lots of interesting discussions! 

Even though I've not been here, I have been commenting on Louise's lj (I'm poppyhoney over there).  Hope to be around a bit more now too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 06:52:27 pm
Looks like the Livejournal outage has become extended.  Look here for updates tomorrow first. I'll post them here before going over to battle with LJ again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 04, 2006, 08:42:53 pm
LJ is back up!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/144730.html  "Chapter 75:  Making Up"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 04, 2006, 09:01:29 pm


Yes it is back!

I was able to get on 1 minute ago!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 04, 2006, 10:21:51 pm
When I'm reading a chapter on LJ I sometimes drag the right-hand column across to the left to make the text appear longer - illusory of course since it's also much narrower! Does anyone else do that? 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 05, 2006, 12:30:05 am
I don't know how much more can I love Wes and Edna.  If not for Wes, I guess Ellery would have had a hugh fight with Ennis about his way of handling Larry.  Ellery has a point but Wes was looking at it from an objective angle and an outsider's point who normally sees things in more clarity than those directly involved. 

I agree with magicmountain's comment on lj, will Ellery be able to pass the next physical test?  I'm worried for him.

About Lorenzo Sr, what's the deal here?  I don't remember reading the actual reason behind his transfer to Cheyenne, why is his son saying people at Cheyenne thought he was a homo?  That's a mystery and I hope Louise will get to it in the next chapters.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 05, 2006, 01:17:23 am
I worked all day today, so I wasn't able to check LJ for updates until after 8 PM.  I didn't know there had been problems on LJ all day; I was just excited to see three new chapters!  I did think it was odd, though, that no one had commented on them!  I haven't left the first comment on a chapter in ages! :laugh:

Anyway, when I came to this thread, I realized why there were no comments!  I'm sorry you've all had such a frustrating day with LJ.  At least it seems to be working okay now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 05, 2006, 04:21:54 am
I think another reason Ennis flew into a violent rage - apart from pent up rage over Jack and his propensity for losing it - is that fear can be perceived as un-manning if I can use such a term. Ennis felt shamed by his fear and he took the opportunity to get in some punches probably in part to restore his sense of masculinity.

Of course these days men are learning not to equate violence with manliness but this was 20 years ago. Even so I think male pride will always be a force to contend with!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 05, 2006, 07:42:07 am
Mornin peeps. Mornin June. ;) :-* Well those blasted fireworks went on and on and on for ages. Some of em were so loud I,m sure they were bombs lol. I saw summat weird last night in the sky. 5 lights, in perfect formation, moving really slowly across the sky and then they just went higher and higher and vanished!! :o :o It was a clear night last night and a full moon too. Very strange. Oh, something to cheer you all up. Now we are up to chapter 75, you know what this means? Only 25 chapters left. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 08:06:01 am
well now... um.... I said I would promise that I would go to 100 chapters. I didn't promise I would end it by 100 chapters.  That depends upon the story arc.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 05, 2006, 08:53:16 am
Woooooweeeeee, thats what I like to hear lol. So, whats the next book going to be called then? ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 09:04:13 am
I didn't say I was writing a new book!  No new book!  That isnt in the cards.  I just didn't promise I was going to cut this one off at chapter 100.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 05, 2006, 09:40:56 am
The Laramie Saga's final chapter......


      Ennis wakes up rubbing his eyes.   He notices that he is shivering.    He sits up and notices that he is in a tent.   

Huh?  Am i out camping again with Ellery?  he thinks to himself.

He steps out of the tent and looks over towards the campfire.    A figure turns to greet him.

"Good morning Cowboy" he says.  It is Jack Twist!

Ennis nearly faints.   He slaps his face to see if this is a dream.  (slap)

"Whatter ya doing?"  Jack says.

"Am I really here Jack?"   

"Ya sure are."  So are the horses and the trucks."

Ennis looks over and sees Jacks last truck.   

Jack says:  "Ennis you were tossing and turning like you have something on yer mind.  You finally looked peaceful so I let ya sleep in.  You ready to get some something off of yer chest?"

Ennis then realizes that the Laramie months were just a dream.   Jack is alive.  It is still 1983.    He has been given a second chance yet again.

Ennis walks over to Jack by the campfire and gives him a dozy embrace.  This time facing him.


Ennis grabs both sides of Jacks face and gives him a warm kiss. "I love you Jack."

Jacks eyes are closed and he begins tremblling.   

"Now I must be dreaming" he says.

"Nope.  I'm finally awake.   Ya think we have time to pack up and drive to Lightning Flat?    We have some talking to do with your Ma and Pop".







 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 05, 2006, 09:57:48 am
Quote from: souxi on November 05, 2006, 07:42:07 am
Mornin peeps. Mornin June. ;) :-* Well those blasted fireworks went on and on and on for ages. Some of em were so loud I,m sure they were bombs lol. I saw summat weird last night in the sky. 5 lights, in perfect formation, moving really slowly across the sky and then they just went higher and higher and vanished!! :o :o It was a clear night last night and a full moon too. Very strange. Oh, something to cheer you all up. Now we are up to chapter 75, you know what this means? Only 25 chapters left. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Methinks you may have had one too many brandy's last night Souxi!!!  ;D

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 10:21:10 am
er noooo... that is not how it is going to end.

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/145149.html  "Chapter 76:  Complicated"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 05, 2006, 10:33:45 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 05, 2006, 09:57:48 am
Methinks you may have had one too many brandy's last night Souxi!!!  ;D

 :-*

Flamin cheek, I wasnt pissed. ;D I,m tellin ya I saw em. I knew you wouldnt beleive me lol. ;D My 8 year old son saw em too. He thought it was well spooky. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 05, 2006, 10:39:10 am
Quote from: louisev on November 05, 2006, 10:21:10 am
er noooo... that is not how it is going to end.

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/145149.html  "Chapter 76:  Complicated"

This is a great chapter.  Ennis of all people to give Dupree advice, it may turn out that Dupree is not queer but as Ennis has been in the same confused state when he was young, he's the most suitable person for Dupree to seek advice.  He really has come a long way and be able to help others.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 05, 2006, 10:46:34 am
Quote from: souxi on November 05, 2006, 10:33:45 am
Flamin cheek, I wasnt pissed. ;D I,m tellin ya I saw em. I knew you wouldnt beleive me lol. ;D My 8 year old son saw em too. He thought it was well spooky. :)

Awwww, I believe you now! your poor son  :( I can imagine he'd think it's spooky  :(

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 12:25:41 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/145212.html  "Chapter 77:  Another Try"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on November 05, 2006, 01:00:17 pm
Hey- this is getting interesting... I vote for a bisexual Jeremy and a younger guy to experiment with; this british valet is to old for him !

"holdingmybreathforthenextchapter"  :)

Let's hope, the LJ doesn't wipe out again

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 05, 2006, 01:07:02 pm
Spoiler.......

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Well IF Jeremy does actually decide to experiment---Jeeves would probably be the best choice for a first time in uncharted waters.   He has the experience, and he also cares about Jeremy himself--
so even though I don't see them doing any real relationships or anything long term, I can see Jeeves saying yes because he wants Jeremy, and I can see Jeremy thinking of Jeeves because he will take care of him and not hurt him.   AND there won't be any extra talking about it outside of each other.

Jeremy is so young in all of this--that he will have lots of time to decide "who/what" is his type after he decides who he is. 
I still don't know that Jeremy really will experiment, or that he really wants to know.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 02:11:27 pm
well folkeses...

I think our boy Dupree has stolen everyone's hearts.  Because the traffic on the story site today is completely out of control!  I invented a main character!

Now I have to consider a separate story (no, no! not a book!) about Dupree.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 05, 2006, 02:22:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 05, 2006, 02:11:27 pm
well folkeses...

I think our boy Dupree has stolen everyone's hearts.  Because the traffic on the story site today is completely out of control!  I invented a main character!

Now I have to consider a separate story (no, no! not a book!) about Dupree.

You mean a saga, right??  ;)

yeah, you do !
 :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 02:39:32 pm
no! i mean a short story fabienne!  EEEEE!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 05, 2006, 02:54:59 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 05, 2006, 02:22:32 pm
You mean a saga, right??  ;)

yeah, you do !
 :)  :)  :)

Yeah of course she does..she just doesnt know it yet lol. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 02:59:12 pm
*death by fanfic.*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 05, 2006, 02:59:33 pm
As Spock would say:

"FASCINATING"

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 03:07:49 pm
I cracked up when I read this Navy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 05, 2006, 03:21:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 05, 2006, 02:11:27 pm
Now I have to consider a separate story (no, no! not a book!) about Dupree.

Yes, yes, yes, a book! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 05, 2006, 03:21:37 pm
Wow!  Look at all the people viewing here right now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 03:22:58 pm
yes.  *waves to the guests*  Come on in and register, the water's fine!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 05, 2006, 04:13:53 pm
Right peeps I,m off for the night. The fireworks sound like bombs over my house lol. Night all, night June. ;) :-* :-*
C ya all tomorow. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on November 05, 2006, 05:06:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 05, 2006, 12:25:41 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/145212.html  "Chapter 77:  Another Try"


Spoiler...


Poor Dupree is between a rock and a hard place now.

I am with a few people that just experiment it with a man does not solve the problem if it’s not someone he finds attractive.  Looking back at Dupree’s girls, granted we don’t really know much about them, but they don’t strike me as someone that Dupress could really fall in love with.  Gal or guy, he needs to find someone that interests him and he is attracted to.

Louise, I am intrigued as to how you are going to solve Dupree’s dilemma.  Can’t wait for the update.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 05, 2006, 05:14:56 pm
Quote from: laurel on November 05, 2006, 03:21:11 pm
Yes, yes, yes, a book! ;D

YEP ~ I with you ladies too  ;D

I'd just love anything on the lovely Jeremy Dupree. I've loved that guy from the very first time you introduced him  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 05, 2006, 05:16:51 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 05, 2006, 04:13:53 pm
Right peeps I,m off for the night. The fireworks sound like bombs over my house lol. Night all, night June. ;) :-* :-*
C ya all tomorow. :) :)

I'm an hour late! but nite Souxi  :-*

What's the deal with the fireworks??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 05, 2006, 05:41:33 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/145569.html  "Chapter 78:  Experimenting"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 05, 2006, 07:07:35 pm
Quote from: yb on November 05, 2006, 10:39:10 am
This is a great chapter.  Ennis of all people to give Dupree advice, it may turn out that Dupree is not queer but as Ennis has been in the same confused state when he was young, he's the most suitable person for Dupree to seek advice.  He really has come a long way and be able to help others.



Yes - Ennis has come a long way hasn't he.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 05, 2006, 08:17:58 pm
Speaking as a gay man,  I agree that Dupree needs to expirament with a guy he finds hot, not with Jeeves who he sees as a friend.

Perhaps a hunky guy will walk into the bar soon that really catches his eye?    Even if it is a one night stand with hot guy just passing thru town.    It might rock his world and open his eyes to a whole new world.   

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 05, 2006, 08:43:07 pm
Quote from: JennyC on November 05, 2006, 05:06:30 pm

Spoiler...




Poor Dupree is between a rock and a hard place now.


I rather like the way you have worded this Jenny - so apt!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 05, 2006, 08:55:46 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 05, 2006, 08:17:58 pm
Speaking as a gay man,  I agree that Dupree needs to expirament with a guy he finds hot, not with Jeeves who he sees as a friend.

Perhaps a hunky guy will walk into the bar soon that really catches his eye?    Even if it is a one night stand with hot guy just passing thru town.    It might rock his world and open his eyes to a whole new world.   




Thank you for the perspective, you are most likely right too---I was mainly thinking that jeeves wouldn't hurt him, but maybe IF he is going to dive into this---someone he truly finds HOT would be a better choice, even if it may end up rocky---as I guess getting hurt is a part of life----SOMETIMES a person gets lucky and it all works--but that ususally doesn't happen on your first outing!
Attractiveness shouldn't be left out of the equation, I want him to have a good experience IF he does some experimenting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 05, 2006, 09:02:57 pm
I think getting involved with Jeeves that way would just complicate things more than help.    We know that Jeeves has a crush on Jeremy.   If they have sex and then Jeremy decides that he wants to try his new gay side with guys other than Jeeves, that would hurt Jeeves feelings something terrible.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 05, 2006, 09:14:39 pm
I would agree with that, and since Jeeves really hasn't been one of my favorites,  I wasn't really thinking about him in the long run---I guess I figured he would already know that if it was just an experiment, that it wouldn't be any lasting commitment, and when Jeremy was ready he would be moving on---
know that sounds kind of callous--but I couldn't help it.  LOL

AND if he really keeps on being a good friend to Jeremy, I may have to reassign him a higher postition on my totem pole and not be so hard on him. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 05, 2006, 11:26:08 pm
Somehow I feel that for me Jeeves is a bit icky and for that reason am not keen to see him initiate Jeremy - but I think Dupree has already come to that decision by himself. Either Dupree will finally meet someone who pushes all his buttons (male or female) and he will go for it or maybe the reverse will happen. Who knows - some guys like a man as long as he comes across as a woman and maybe Dupree is one of these. Are there any guys in drag at the bar? None so far I think. The author will no doubt let us find out in her own good time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 05:06:02 am


Spoiler

I'm usually a lurker, but wanted to de-lurk just to go on record saying that I just LOVE the Dupree story arc.
In fact, other than Ellery, I think Dupree is my favourite OC ever . ;)
This story is just brilliant, and a really great read!

Also, if I may respectfully disagree - Jeeves seems (IMHO) genuinely interested in Dupree, a good man (beneath all the fake posh veneer), and perhaps the perfect candidate for Dupree's experimentation.
Also -  I am not sure Dupree doesn't find Jeeves attractive . Most guys I know wouldn't let another man touch them, no matter what, so maybe there's something growing there.

Anyway, it really is a great read !!

UM.. did anyone mention a Dupree centric story??  ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 06, 2006, 05:18:32 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 05:06:02 am

Spoiler

I'm usually a lurker, but wanted to de-lurk just to go on record saying that I just LOVE the Dupree story arc.
In fact, other than Ellery, I think Dupree is my favourite OC ever . ;)
This story is just brilliant, and a really great read!

Also, if I may respectfully disagree - Jeeves seems (IMHO) genuinely interested in Dupree, a good man (beneath all the fake posh veneer), and perhaps the perfect candidate for Dupree's experimentation.
Also -  I am not sure Dupree doesn't find Jeeves attractive . Most guys I know wouldn't let another man touch them, no matter what, so maybe there's something growing there.

Anyway, it really is a great read !!

UM.. did anyone mention a Dupree centric story??  ;D


Hi RonitR

Glad my post brought you out of lurkdom! Now that you're here, why not stick around!

PS If Charles Dance had been voted in as Jeeves the ick factor would have considerably diminished for me! Those hooded eyes get me every time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 05:21:25 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 05, 2006, 05:16:51 pm
I'm an hour late! but nite Souxi  :-*

What's the deal with the fireworks??

Mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-*. Those fireworks were bloody noisy I tell ya, scared my cats to death they did. Mind you I lock the catflap so they cant get out on bonfire night. One of mine, whose really timid, hid in my bed under my duvet!! Bless him, you could just see his lttle head peeking out. awwwww.Here is look, his name is Bruno: Isnt he sweet?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 05:25:21 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 06, 2006, 05:18:32 am
Hi RonitR

Glad my post brought you out of lurkdom! Now that you're here, why not stick around!

PS If Charles Dance had been voted in as Jeeves the ick factor would have considerably diminished for me! Those hooded eyes get me every time.

Sorry JO, but I think Charles Dance is gross. I much prefer Hugh Laurie, I think he,s sexy. NOT i hasten to add in the same league as our boys, heaven forbid. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 05:48:45 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 05:06:02 am

Spoiler

Anyway, it really is a great read !!

UM.. did anyone mention a Dupree centric story??  ;D



I mentioned it.  (Maybe I shouldn't have, but I did.)  The Dupree situation is not a simple one, and isn't going to be resolved in a quick series-ending one night stand - for all of you who are concerned about that.  He is a complex character, and an important one, for both of our main characters and for the other people in the story, and for that may need some individual treatment!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 05:52:12 am
Louise, me and June would like to volunteer our services to give Jeremy some individual treatment..wouldnt we June? NO problem atall, anything to help..bless him. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 05:53:03 am
Quote from: souxi on November 06, 2006, 05:25:21 am
Sorry JO, but I think Charles Dance is gross. I much prefer Hugh Laurie, I think he,s sexy. NOT i hasten to add in the same league as our boys, heaven forbid. ::) ::)


Heya guys,

Is Charles Dance a big, middle-aged, red-haired bloke? I'm not sure I know the actor .
Cause if that's him, than he can have the Jeeves part, if Rupert E. ( who is Yummie, btw) is unavailable... Have no idea who Hugh Laurie is..

As long as its not soemone smarmy like... well.. Richard  Hamilton, in which case the Jeeves role would go immediately from "Distinguished attractive older guy" to "Call the police ! child molester "...
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 06:04:36 am
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 05:48:45 am
I mentioned it.  (Maybe I shouldn't have, but I did.)  The Dupree situation is not a simple one, and isn't going to be resolved in a quick series-ending one night stand - for all of you who are concerned about that.  He is a complex character, and an important one, for both of our main characters and for the other people in the story, and for that may need some individual treatment!

Hi Louise!!

So glad you mentioned that... ;D
I don't comment often, but I really dreaded the saga's ending, because I do enjoy it . A lot. Now you've given me hope :-).

Also, I agree that Dupree is a complex character, and IMHO deserves HEAPS of individual treatment (I believe I saw a list of voluntees, a few posts back,  ;) )


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 06:21:38 am
you guys all make me smile.  Tell you what:  I will leave the Dupree story arc open to a story treatment after the end of the Saga proper, and that is the best I can promise.  Life after the end of November is a bit uncertain for me, since I am looking for a new contract, so I am not sure when, how, and how much I will be able to devote to the one-off story categories.

But it appears inevitable that there will be some!

And I am delighted (and a bit astonished) to see that traffic has reached another high on the story pages over the past day.  Holy cow, folks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 06, 2006, 06:31:34 am
The relationship between Dupree and Jeeves has really grown on me lately.  But I don’t feel there’s sexual tension between them, I think Dupree treats Jeeves as someone who can give him advices and he feels comfortable with. 

I have said it before but had put it aside, I think Dupree has some feeling towards Ennis but that’s something he was not aware of or has subconsciously ignored due to his loyalty to Ellery.  After reading the last 2 chapters, this feeling about Dupree has surfaced again.  Now that Dupree is beginning to face this question whether he’s straight or gay, he’ll be even more confused and conflicted.  I may be wrong though but that’s okay, this is a very intriguing and interesting part of the story and I look forward to how this will unfold.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 06, 2006, 07:23:15 am
Of course,   we could have Jeremy go over to see Ennis and Ellery to talk about his "situation".  Then after they knock back a bottle or two, the three of them end up in bed together.    <big evil grin>   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 06, 2006, 07:44:00 am
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 05:48:45 am
I mentioned it.  (Maybe I shouldn't have, but I did.)  The Dupree situation is not a simple one, and isn't going to be resolved in a quick series-ending one night stand - for all of you who are concerned about that.  He is a complex character, and an important one, for both of our main characters and for the other people in the story, and for that may need some individual treatment!

Good morning everyone. As always, I love the discussions here about the latest developments in the saga, and now we seem to be focused on Dupree, who, I agree, is a fantastic and very compelling character.   Louise, I agree with you, Dupree is a very very complex character and I think thats what makes him so appealing. 

I am a little confused about what to think about him, whether he's straight or gay, or bi, or just a bit confused and working in a gay bar has probably brought all this home to him.  My gut feeling is, he's attracted to men, but doesnt have a clue what to do about it.  I certainly dont think he should do any experimenting with Jeeves, he's so not the right person for Dupree's first time (or any time for that matter), but if someone does catch his eye in the Red Stallion, I think he should try and see how it goes.

I do think there is mutal attraction between him and Ennis, although I find it hard to think about that, because I dont want anything or anyone to come between Ennis and Ellery, no matter how much I like Dupree.  He should find his own Ennis.  I really hope he does. 

I dont think I've added much to the debate, apart from confuse it some more, but thats my opinion, for what its worth. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 06, 2006, 07:46:14 am
Quote from: souxi on November 06, 2006, 05:21:25 am
Mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-*. Those fireworks were bloody noisy I tell ya, scared my cats to death they did. Mind you I lock the catflap so they cant get out on bonfire night. One of mine, whose really timid, hid in my bed under my duvet!! Bless him, you could just see his lttle head peeking out. awwwww.Here is look, his name is Bruno: Isnt he sweet?



Morning Souxi, awww, what a gorgeous cat.  I love cats, but they dont love me, I am allergic to them, unfortunately.  :(

The fireworks round ours went on for ever it seemed to me - just when I thought they'd stopped, another one would explode and scare me half to death!!!!  I dont mind a nice firework display, but once thats done, I want Bonfire Night to be over.  My kids enjoyed it, but I was wishing I was at home in my pajamas drinking a hot chocolate reading slash.   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 06, 2006, 08:24:25 am
OK - this is Charles Dance when somewhat younger. What's not to like?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/charles_dance1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 08:38:21 am
Quote from: souxi on November 06, 2006, 05:52:12 am
Louise, me and June would like to volunteer our services to give Jeremy some individual treatment..wouldnt we June? NO problem atall, anything to help..bless him. ;) ;) ;) ;D

OH YES! Louise knows how much I love him  :D  and I believe RonitR would like to volunteer too!  ;D

Hi RonitR ~ I haven't welcomed you yet, so nice to see you here!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 08:44:46 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 06, 2006, 07:23:15 am
Of course,   we could have Jeremy go over to see Ennis and Ellery to talk about his "situation".  Then after they knock back a bottle or two, the three of them end up in bed together.    <big evil grin>   ;D

OMG ~ I think Jeremy wouldnt know what hit him! Would be the best experience ever for him!!! LOL!  :o  :o  Of course you and I both know this aint NEVER gonna happen!!

 ;D

 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 08:48:09 am
June, you are absolutely right about that.  In fact - I'm not even sure it would happen in their dreams.  Okay - maybe it would happen in Wayne's dreams...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 08:49:17 am
Quote from: souxi on November 06, 2006, 05:21:25 am
Mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-*. Those fireworks were bloody noisy I tell ya, scared my cats to death they did. Mind you I lock the catflap so they cant get out on bonfire night. One of mine, whose really timid, hid in my bed under my duvet!! Bless him, you could just see his lttle head peeking out. awwwww.Here is look, his name is Bruno: Isnt he sweet?



Awww yes Souxi, your cat is just too sweet and adorable  :)

What kind of celebration is Bonfire Night?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 06, 2006, 08:49:53 am
SPOILER


I think that Jeeves/Howard/Chas has been handling Dupree very sensitively, but I agree he is not the one for Dupree to 'experiment' with. There is too much potential for pain on both sides.

I have to be honest, I haven't picked up on any attraction between Ennis and Dupree, but perhaps I'e not been very perceptive (or my memory is letting me down again). Ennis may have subconsciously admired Dupree's looks, but I don't for one moment believe that he has entertained any ideas about doing anything about it.

I feel for Dupree, it's like a rug has been pulled from under him. I think that Ennis is a good person for him to talk to (who's have thought that Ennis would ever have a conversation like that!!)  ;D

I agree about the fireworks last night. I couldn't see anything, but it was like the D-Day landings round where I live.

Karen

Oh and Charles Dance - leaves me cold!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 08:53:12 am
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 08:48:09 am
June, you are absolutely right about that.  In fact - I'm not even sure it would happen in their dreams.  Okay - maybe it would happen in Wayne's dreams...!

and maybe mine..... ::)


 :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 06, 2006, 08:53:38 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 06, 2006, 08:49:53 am
SPOILER


I think that Jeeves/Howard/Chas has been handling Dupree very sensitively, but I agree he is not the one for Dupree to 'experiment' with. There is too much potential for pain on both sides.

I have to be honest, I haven't picked up on any attraction between Ennis and Dupree, but perhaps I'e not been very perceptive (or my memory is letting me down again). Ennis may have subconsciously admired Dupree's looks, but I don't for one moment believe that he has entertained any ideas about doing anything about it.

I feel for Dupree, it's like a rug has been pulled from under him. I think that Ennis is a good person for him to talk to (who's have thought that Ennis would ever have a conversation like that!!)  ;D

I agree about the fireworks last night. I couldn't see anything, but it was like the D-Day landings round where I live.

Karen

Oh and Charles Dance - leaves me cold!


I agree about Charles Dance Karen, does nothing for me.

As for Ennis and Dupree, it could be just me I could be completely imagining it, I mean, its not like I want Ennis and Dupree to get together, so I dont know why I'm thinking it.  I wish I wasnt.  Right, thats it, I'm not going to mention it again!!!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 08:54:54 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 08:38:21 am
OH YES! Louise knows how much I love him  :D  and I believe RonitR would like to volunteer too!  ;D

Hi RonitR ~ I haven't welcomed you yet, so nice to see you here!  :)

Hi Bigheart, and thanks for the greetings  ;D

I would just LOVE to be added to the "Save the Dupree" campaign.

Of course, if my suspisions (well, ok, wishful thinking) are correct, it will probably be Jeeves (or an equally fascinating character) who will actually get to save him, and it will take at least another hundred chapters (hint - hint)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 06, 2006, 08:55:27 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 08:49:17 am
Awww yes Souxi, your cat is just too sweet and adorable  :)

What kind of celebration is Bonfire Night?

Have you heard of Guy Faulkes?  The man who tried to blow up the houses of parliament? Well, its all about that.  Over the years, the meaning of the actual thing has got lost and now its just an excuse to watch firework displays, buy toffee apples and eat treacle toffee.  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 08:58:01 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 06, 2006, 08:49:53 am

I have to be honest, I haven't picked up on any attraction between Ennis and Dupree, but perhaps I'e not been very perceptive (or my memory is letting me down again). Ennis may have subconsciously admired Dupree's looks, but I don't for one moment believe that he has entertained any ideas about doing anything about it.



I agree with you on this one Karen  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 09:01:02 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 06, 2006, 08:24:25 am
OK - this is Charles Dance when somewhat younger. What's not to like?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/charles_dance1.jpg)

Sorry JO he just doesnt float my boat lol. Now my avatar on the other hand.........he just looks GORGEOUS....*THUD*
 ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 09:05:15 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 08:58:01 am
I agree with you on this one Karen  :)

Absolutly right. I mean I,m sure Jeremy is goodlooking, but just LOOK at Ellery..would you cheat on THAT?? *THUD* again lol. ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 06, 2006, 09:13:41 am
I dunno...the name...Dupree may not fit, but in my head this what he looks like.

(http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6aQQ%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKxgXP0e%3F87KR6xqpxQQlPxllJxQJQxv8uOc5xQQQonQGQGQoGeqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0e%7CRup6l0l%7C/of=50,557,443)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 09:15:35 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 08:54:54 am
Hi Bigheart, and thanks for the greetings  ;D

I would just LOVE to be added to the "Save the Dupree" campaign.

Of course, if my suspisions (well, ok, wishful thinking) are correct, it will probably be Jeeves (or an equally fascinating character) who will actually get to save him, and it will take at least another hundred chapters (hint - hint)

LOL!! *looks at Souxi*  she's the campaign manager here  ;D

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Jeeves either, he creeps out a few people but not me. He obviously cares so much for Dupree which would make it a very loving first experience for Dupree which I think (if it's ever going to happen) is very important.Not sure how it would affect Jeeves though....would probably make things even harder for him.
Sure, some sexy guy from the bar would probably be a totally hot experience but just all wrong for his first time I think.

Just my two cents  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 09:15:50 am
you girls are just cracking me up - how am I supposed to get any software development done if you keep on like this? hm? hm?

We could call it the "Put Dupree to Bed Campaign"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 06, 2006, 09:20:21 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 06, 2006, 08:24:25 am
OK - this is Charles Dance when somewhat younger. What's not to like?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/charles_dance1.jpg)

In a word, this man for me is....blech.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 06, 2006, 09:20:56 am
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 06, 2006, 09:13:41 am
I dunno...the name...Dupree may not fit, but in my head this what he looks like.

(http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6aQQ%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKxgXP0e%3F87KR6xqpxQQlPxllJxQJQxv8uOc5xQQQonQGQGQoGeqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0e%7CRup6l0l%7C/of=50,557,443)

Hope you have better luck than me Scott!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 06, 2006, 09:22:26 am
To me, Jeeves looks like my (phony) Uncle Robin, who was from South Africa, had a British accent, and was gay. Every time I read "Jeeves" that is who I picture.

Unfortunately, I don't have a picture of him. Sorry, folks!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 09:22:57 am
Quote from: christie wood on November 06, 2006, 08:55:27 am
Have you heard of Guy Faulkes?  The man who tried to blow up the houses of parliament? Well, its all about that.  Over the years, the meaning of the actual thing has got lost and now its just an excuse to watch firework displays, buy toffee apples and eat treacle toffee.  

Thanks for explaining Christie  :)

Sounds like fun!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 09:26:00 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 09:15:35 am
LOL!! *looks at Souxi*  she's the campaign manager here  ;D

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Jeeves either, he creeps out a few people but not me. He obviously cares so much for Dupree which would make it a very loving first experience for Dupree which I think (if it's ever going to happen) is very important.Not sure how it would affect Jeeves though....would probably make things even harder for him.


 I am quite sure that if Jeeves gets Dupree to bed, things will get very hard for him... [looks innocent]

Oh, did you mean "difficult" ???...oh, well, yeah, that too.... ;D

Ok, ok, going back to work before Angry Boss Man asks why I am giggling hysterically

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 09:30:18 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 09:26:00 am
I am quite sure that if Jeeves gets Dupree to bed, things will get very hard for him... [looks innocent]

Oh, did you mean "difficult" ???...oh, well, yeah, that too.... ;D

Ok, ok, going back to work before Angry Boss Man asks why I am giggling hysterically



Heeee! OH God you crack me up!  ;D

*giggles hysterically too*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 06, 2006, 09:33:38 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 06, 2006, 08:49:53 am
SPOILER


I have to be honest, I haven't picked up on any attraction between Ennis and Dupree, but perhaps I'e not been very perceptive (or my memory is letting me down again). Ennis may have subconsciously admired Dupree's looks, but I don't for one moment believe that he has entertained any ideas about doing anything about it.


I don't think there's any special feeling from Ennis to Dupree.  But what I'm not sure is Dupree's feeling to Ennis; but as I said, there's every chance that I may be wrong and I'll be happy to be wrong.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 06, 2006, 10:04:24 am
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 08:48:09 am
June, you are absolutely right about that.  In fact - I'm not even sure it would happen in their dreams.  Okay - maybe it would happen in Wayne's dreams...!

  ;)    ;)   As far as my dreams go:  ALREADY THERE!!!!!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 10:18:29 am
Quote from: NavyVet on November 06, 2006, 10:04:24 am
  ;)    ;)   As far as my dreams go:  ALREADY THERE!!!!!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Dont you get me started on "those" dreams missy.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 06, 2006, 10:22:48 am
Quote from: souxi on November 06, 2006, 10:18:29 am
Dont you get me started on "those" dreams missy.  ;) ;)

Hee-hee.  Hey, those dreams might be worthy of an LS AU!AU PWP someday!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 06, 2006, 10:24:04 am
I just can't see Ennis ever doing that...unless he had a VERY good reason...and even then I think he would leave Ellery before he did anything.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 10:29:14 am
Quote from: NavyVet on November 06, 2006, 10:22:48 am
Hee-hee.  Hey, those dreams might be worthy of an LS AU!AU PWP someday!   ;D

Hahahah. I darent tell you what "those" dreams were though lol. Anyway, it,s all that Junes fault I had em in the first place lol.  ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 06, 2006, 10:49:11 am
But that could be a great set-up for some real psychologocal drama regarding one's own perception of their sexuality.

If all you wrote is true, then it would be kind of interesting to see Jeremy "think" he is falling in love" with Ennis because of their shared similarities.  The ensuing exploration of what sexuality means to Jeremy could be quite interesting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 11:03:46 am
Quote from: souxi on November 06, 2006, 10:29:14 am
Hahahah. I darent tell you what "those" dreams were though lol. Anyway, it,s all that Junes fault I had em in the first place lol.  ;) ;) ;D :laugh:

Hmmmmm ~ blame it all on me eh?? As usual  ::)

 ;)

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 11:10:55 am
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 06, 2006, 10:49:11 am
But that could be a great set-up for some real psychologocal drama regarding one's own perception of their sexuality.

If all you wrote is true, then it would be kind of interesting to see Jeremy "think" he is falling in love" with Ennis because of their shared similarities.  The ensuing exploration of what sexuality means to Jeremy could be quite interesting.

Interestingly enough, Scott, this is to me a very realistic possibility.  What is the line between a close friendship, with strong identification between the friends, and attraction?  Sometimes this line is so subtle, it can't be perceived, even when it is crossed, until intimacy unexpectedly occurs.  Isn't this what happened between Ennis and Jack?  It still wouldn't mean Dupree is gay, and I for one - in even attempting this ridiculously complex plot - have to say that I don't think anything is cut and dried.  People just don't neatly fall into piles of queer and straight, and if there is any lesson that comes of Dupree's dilemma - it is this little home truth, illustrated.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 11:14:58 am
It was a very busy weekend, all in all, and I got a lot of good writing done, and did a lot of productive thinking as I look forward to the wrap-up of the Laramie Saga.  (Yes! it is wrapping up!)

I put some of today's thoughts in a private journal entry which you are welcome to read and comment upon if you have friended me and I included you in my Private group.  Not everyone who is on the Bettermost site, however, have friended me (it isnt necessary for posting,) so if you havent and wish to read my essay, please friend me and pm me so that I can include you in the Private group.  Or send me an email and I will send it to you via email.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/145758.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 06, 2006, 12:02:05 pm

Hello everybody
you got huge discussion here about Dupree, but no wonder
after reading last 6 chapters yesterday, first thing in the morning I ran to see if situation with Jeremy took step forward (waiting impatiently).

Quote from: magicmountain on November 05, 2006, 11:26:08 pm

 Either Dupree will finally meet someone who pushes all his buttons (male or female) and he will go for it or maybe the reverse will happen. Who knows - some guys like a man as long as he comes across as a woman and maybe Dupree is one of these. Are there any guys in drag at the bar? None so far I think. The author will no doubt let us find out in her own good time.

I’m so curious if Louise is going to introduce new character especially for his needs  ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 12:02:21 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 11:03:46 am
Hmmmmm ~ blame it all on me eh?? As usual  ::)

 ;)

 :-*

Of course I blame it on you  hun, I blame everything on you lol. ;) ;) ;D :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 12:16:01 pm
Quote from: synne on November 06, 2006, 12:02:05 pm

I’m so curious if Louise is going to introduce new character especially for his needs  ???

OH, that would be so exciting!

*looks at Louise*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 06, 2006, 12:24:51 pm
Quote from: TH on November 06, 2006, 10:38:59 am
   Well I may be throwing cold water around by the buckets here... but here is my take on Dupree.

   He is a real stand up guy who has not been traumatized, polarized, prejudiced and is not over sexed. 

   This means that any relationship that he wants will have to be given the appropriate time to be nurtured and developed.  He is into girls and wants one... the problem is that he hasn't found one yet, a good one, and all the nonsense about his being gay for working at the Stallion is just a measure of the lack of worth of the girls that he
has gone with so far.
And I think you got a point in your take  TH
 
Comparing him to young Ennis, Ennis wasn’t ( at least I didn’t see it in the movie) that enthusiastic and desperate about Alma as Jeremy is about Janice,...

Quote from: TH on November 06, 2006, 10:38:59 am
   
   He is not prejudiced.  He doesn't have a pre-set bias about gays... and takes people for who they are, one at a time. 

   He needs male friendship with guys of substance like Ellery, Ennis and Chas as a friend... and runs into problems from others who are oversexed in that he cannot conceive of a guy friend without it being sexualized. 

   Jeremy may need to distance himself from the bar most largely because it cuts into time he would need for a relationship... but then... he is still trying to pay off loans and things so in that sense he has an agenda... so that any serious relationship with a good woman might have to wait till the loans are paid or are deferred. 

   What he needs is some fatherly advice from any of those guys he is friends with...  Ellery is polarized on the gay issue.  Chas, well, has a couple of irons in the fire... so Ennis is his man.  Ennis is a 'straight up, no ice' type of guy... just what Jeremy understands... and is a father in his own right. 

   
yes, he will look for somebody he can relate with

above all I believe Dupree is sensible character enough to not “force” himself experimenting  with friend  ( whoever, but I got in mind mainly  Chas ) which could lead only to shattering of their friendship and with lack of sexual attraction only to his disappointment and more confusion.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 12:30:23 pm
Quote from: synne on November 06, 2006, 12:02:05 pm
Hello everybody
you got huge discussion here about Dupree, but no wonder
after reading last 6 chapters yesterday, first thing in the morning I ran to see if situation with Jeremy took step forward (waiting impatiently).

I’m so curious if Louise is going to introduce new character especially for his needs  ???


I already did.

Oh and I forgot to add...

muah hahahahahahaha.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 06, 2006, 12:37:47 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 12:16:01 pm
OH, that would be so exciting!

*looks at Louise*

gaze at Louise too


Thanks a lot Louise

for interesting chapters – sitting in quietness and reading LS- just what I needed after hectic week ( but happy week, my bro is visiting here; I didn’t see him   two years)


I  don’t catch problem with Esteban sr., just roughly from the story .  Do you plan to give it closer look in next parts?
Or did I miss it somewhere?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 12:49:28 pm
Ok so what mischief are you up to now then young lady? (Louise) that was an evil laugh you gave there. ;) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 06, 2006, 01:13:57 pm
Howdy folks!

Another gray Monday in my neck of the woods .. a little "E&E" to warm it up for me ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/31c01430.jpg)


For all the lurkers out there who are enjoying the LS, de-lurk and join the fun, why don't ya?  :)

For other lurkers who have nothing but negative remarks to make, well, the pic above is for you as well.  Enjoy! I hope it gives you something new to talk about or post on your blog  (if you can take a moment from checking out this thread or compulsively refreshing Louise's LJ for updates or poring over the E&E Gallery, in search of something to 'rant' about..).  No need to thank me, just call it community service on my part!  ;D    I can't say I can blame ya for being hooked to the Laramie Saga!

Enjoy!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 01:29:22 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 06, 2006, 01:13:57 pm
Howdy folks!

Another gray Monday in my neck of the woods .. a little "E&E" to warm it up for me ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/31c01430.jpg)


For all the lurkers out there who are enjoying the LS, de-lurk and join the fun, why don't ya?  :)

For other lurkers who have nothing but negative remarks to make, well, the pic above is for you as well.  Enjoy! I hope it gives you something new to talk about or post on your blog  (if you can take a moment from checking out this thread or compulsively refreshing Louise's LJ for updates or poring over the E&E Gallery, in search of something to 'rant' about..).  No need to thank me, just call it community service on my part!  ;D    I can't say I can blame ya for being hooked to the Laramie Saga!

Enjoy!   ;D

OMG!!!! *THUD* :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 01:43:23 pm
good lord, Milli! You even gave Hugh a shave!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 01:46:03 pm
Quote from: synne on November 06, 2006, 12:37:47 pm

I  don’t catch problem with Esteban sr., just roughly from the story .  Do you plan to give it closer look in next parts?
Or did I miss it somewhere?


Esteban Sr was transferred to Cheyenne after the scandal and accusations made by Bill pretty much outed Ellery to the entire Sheriff's department.  He later spiraled into alcoholism, and his son Lorenzo accused Ellery of being the cause of his misfortunes and recent placement in a dryout facility.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 06, 2006, 02:02:46 pm
Waw, lucise!
absolutely W O N D E R F U L

*gives lucise a big hug*

 :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 02:32:43 pm
Quote from: synne on November 06, 2006, 12:02:05 pm
Hello everybody
you got huge discussion here about Dupree, but no wonder
after reading last 6 chapters yesterday, first thing in the morning I ran to see if situation with Jeremy took step forward (waiting impatiently).


Hi Synne-

Me too!! The first thing I do in the morning when I get to work, is check out Louise's journal, to see what's up with Dupree ... can't wait to see what happens.


As to the new character that Louise introduced just for Jeremy's needs - I just hope its' not Edna's visiting cousin ... ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 06, 2006, 02:34:29 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 06, 2006, 02:02:46 pm
Waw, lucise!
absolutely W O N D E R F U L

*gives lucise a big hug*

 :)  :)  :)

HUGS right  back at cha Fabienne!  ;)
I am just thrilled that Hugh let me .. umm..well, shave him!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 06, 2006, 02:35:57 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 06, 2006, 02:34:29 pm

I am just thrilled that Hugh let me .. umm..well, shave him!  :P

Details! we need details!!!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 02:50:51 pm
Quote from: RonitR on November 06, 2006, 02:32:43 pm


As to the new character that Louise introduced just for Jeremy's needs - I just hope its' not Edna's visiting cousin ... ;)


*chokes from laughter*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 06, 2006, 03:30:50 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 06, 2006, 02:35:57 pm
Details! we need details!!!  ;D  ;D

Umm .. no ..  :-X ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 06, 2006, 03:56:01 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 06, 2006, 01:13:57 pm
Howdy folks!

Another gray Monday in my neck of the woods .. a little "E&E" to warm it up for me ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/31c01430.jpg)


For all the lurkers out there who are enjoying the LS, de-lurk and join the fun, why don't ya?  :)

For other lurkers who have nothing but negative remarks to make, well, the pic above is for you as well.  Enjoy! I hope it gives you something new to talk about or post on your blog  (if you can take a moment from checking out this thread or compulsively refreshing Louise's LJ for updates or poring over the E&E Gallery, in search of something to 'rant' about..).  No need to thank me, just call it community service on my part!  ;D    I can't say I can blame ya for being hooked to the Laramie Saga!

Enjoy!   ;D

Oh my word, that is just.....gorgeous, and sexy, and very very hot.   :P

Thank you so much Lucise, your talents know no bounds! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 04:01:03 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/145965.html  "People Watching"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 06, 2006, 04:02:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 11:10:55 am
Interestingly enough, Scott, this is to me a very realistic possibility.  What is the line between a close friendship, with strong identification between the friends, and attraction?  Sometimes this line is so subtle, it can't be perceived, even when it is crossed, until intimacy unexpectedly occurs.  Isn't this what happened between Ennis and Jack?  It still wouldn't mean Dupree is gay, and I for one - in even attempting this ridiculously complex plot - have to say that I don't think anything is cut and dried.  People just don't neatly fall into piles of queer and straight, and if there is any lesson that comes of Dupree's dilemma - it is this little home truth, illustrated.

Wow, there have been some really interesting discussions here today, about Dupree and his ever-present sexuality confusion. The more I think about it - and I think about it a lot - I think the attraction I was talking about earlier between Ennis and Dupree is probably only on Dupree's side, and maybe Ennis is overly interested because he sees a little bit of him in Dupree, and wants to help him out in a way that noone was able to help him.

I have to stress again that I never wanted for a minute for anything to happen between them - my god, I feel like I've lived this relationship and it would kill me if anything came between them - but, Louise you made a very valid point about a close friendship and its lines of identification, and I wonder if this is what is happening with Dupree with regards to Ennis.  At the moment, he feels that Ennis is the only one he really wants to talk to about this, despite Jeeves and his caring ways, Jeeves has made it obvious he fancies Jeremy and so it cant be construed as a completely innocent friendship.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 04:07:52 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 06, 2006, 03:30:50 pm
Umm .. no ..  :-X ;D

 :(  :(  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 06, 2006, 04:10:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 02:50:51 pm

*chokes from laughter*

*giggles*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 04:21:40 pm
Christie, much has been said about Ennis being a "one's enough" man.  However, I have known enough people who have loved deeply, lost tragically and recovered to love again, just as deeply - to believe that Ennis has fallen in love again, deeply and completely, with Ellery.

He has awakened to his awareness of his attraction to males as his denial has decreased, but that is just what that is - attraction.  It doesn't mean he is truly drawn to any of the men he finds attractive, just that he is no longer denying that he sees and appreciates other men. It is a measure of his growth and coming out.  I believe his attachment to Jeremy is a friendship between men.  For Ennis, his awareness of his physical attractions is still new, so to the seasoned eye of Jeeves, he might have noticed Ennis gawking, particularly if his own laser beams were fixed on Dupree at the time.  But remember, it wasn't Ennis who dreamed about being in bed with Dupree - it was Ellery!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 06, 2006, 04:22:12 pm
Lucise, I don't have any idea how you do it, but that last picture was incredible.  Wow!  Mmm-mmm!

Sorry I haven't been posting a lot lately, y'all, but I've been doing my own typity-typing.  I just sent off another 4,600 word installment to my Beta-reader only a week after my last part was posted.  For me that's a lot!  I'm not nearly as quick or prolific as some writers I know.  
 :)   I guess I'm in semi-lurker mode.   :laugh:  But really enjoying the Dupree discussions, etc.

I'm also preparing to be out of town for a whole week, starting Saturday.  Going to Disney World.  The really cool thing is I found out my Beta lives near Orlando and I'm gonna meet her in person!  How cool is that?  
Anyway, I just can't get enough LS.
Hugs to all.   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 06, 2006, 04:34:38 pm
Right, I,m off for the night. C ya tomorow peeps. Night all, night June. ;) ;) :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 06, 2006, 04:35:16 pm
I love Jeeves ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/5e0e2a03.jpg)

..and I really enjoyed Chapter 77: Experimentin.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 04:49:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 06, 2006, 04:35:16 pm
I love Jeeves ..  ;)

..and I really enjoyed Chapter 77: Experimentin.

oh Milli! You are a riot!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 06, 2006, 05:03:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 04:01:03 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/145965.html  "People Watching"

Louisev,  that should be Chapter 79, not 78 as it says on LJ.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 05:11:33 pm
uh ity oh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 06, 2006, 05:57:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 12:30:23 pm

I already did.

Oh and I forgot to add...

muah hahahahahahaha.

Evil laughter indeed!  ;D

OK - I did have a feeling that ADA Samuelson might be gay... but now I'm wondering if she might not be the women for Dupree. She's tough, independant, physically imposing, but open minded and probably wouldn't feel threatened by Dupree's part time job at the bar, or all the gay friends he has.

Or, I could just be off on one of my wilds flights again...  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 06:28:52 pm
muah hahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 06, 2006, 07:00:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 06:28:52 pm
muah hahahahahaha!

Tease!  ;D

Well I'll just have to continue to amuse myself with more and more outlandish theories.  :)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 06, 2006, 07:07:28 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 06, 2006, 05:57:09 pm
Evil laughter indeed!  ;D

OK - I did have a feeling that ADA Samuelson might be gay...

Karen

Hey!  I had that feeling too!  Looks like you are not alone in the 'outlandish theories' department ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 06, 2006, 07:23:32 pm
you are just going to have to let the plot run, folks.  You have good reasons to read on then! ha haha hahahahah. muah.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 06, 2006, 07:38:03 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 06, 2006, 07:23:32 pm
you are just going to have to let the plot run, folks.  You have good reasons to read on then! ha haha hahahahah. muah.

Oh we know Louise. We don't need encouragement to keep reading.

But speculation can be fun. La la la la laaaaa.... what can I dream up next?  :)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 06, 2006, 07:56:42 pm
Hi all - I decided that I've been lurking here long enough and it was time to join in the fun, especially all the discussion about who Dupree should get together with.

Here's my suggestion, which you can throw around as much as you like - Louise, have you considered the story-line possibility that Dupree's car gets engine problems, and Ennis advises Dupree to takes it to his trusty radiator repairman, Nate?  Dupree and Nate together could almost be a mirroring of Ellery and Ennis, perhaps?

Comments, anyone?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 06, 2006, 08:50:03 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 06, 2006, 04:22:12 pm

... I just sent off another 4,600 word installment to my Beta-reader only a week after my last part was posted.  For me that's a lot!  I'm not nearly as quick or prolific as some writers I know. 
 :)   I guess I'm in semi-lurker mode.   :laugh:  But really enjoying the Dupree discussions, etc.

I'm also preparing to be out of town for a whole week, starting Saturday.  Going to Disney World.  The really cool thing is I found out my Beta lives near Orlando and I'm gonna meet her in person!  How cool is that? 
Anyway, I just can't get enough LS.
Hugs to all.   :-*



How do you people get your betas?
any advices please
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 06, 2006, 09:15:54 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 06, 2006, 07:56:42 pm
Hi all - I decided that I've been lurking here long enough and it was time to join in the fun, especially all the discussion about who Dupree should get together with.

Here's my suggestion, which you can throw around as much as you like - Louise, have you considered the story-line possibility that Dupree's car gets engine problems, and Ennis advises Dupree to takes it to his trusty radiator repairman, Nate?  Dupree and Nate together could almost be a mirroring of Ellery and Ennis, perhaps?

Comments, anyone?

Richard,

Welcome and glad to have you de-lurk with us!

Nate is an intriguing idea and Dupree may be the reason he goes into the Red Stallion...since he has been reluctant to do so.

The other person who crossed my mind was Noel Creston. Dupree saved his life and Noel has seemed to extraordinarily grateful (as anyone would be).

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 06, 2006, 10:08:12 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 06, 2006, 07:56:42 pm
Hi all - I decided that I've been lurking here long enough and it was time to join in the fun, especially all the discussion about who Dupree should get together with.


Another de-lurker .. Welcome Richard!  ;D

I am not sure who I think Dupree should 'experiment' with ..  I would've said Jeeves, if he was not harboring a crush the size of Texas on Dupree, that is ..  :)  I'm still working on that one ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 06, 2006, 11:47:48 pm
Quote from: synne on November 06, 2006, 08:50:03 pm

How do you people get your betas?
any advices please

At the time, I advertised on a Yahoo fanfic group I belonged to and put 'searching for Beta' in the subject line for my post.  I think 3 or 4 people responded.  We exchanged e-mails and I picked one.  She has beta'd for me for almost 3 years now and she's awesome!  I've been very lucky.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on November 07, 2006, 12:32:00 am
Hi all!

I am finally caught up on my chapters... never thought it would happen.  I am however, giving up on catching up on the gazillion of pages of the thread, and have just jumped right in to the Dupree speculation...

Love reading everyone's ideas.

Am I the only one with sympathy for Jeeves?  And of course, I feel awful bad for Jeremy... hopefully life will start looking better for him soon...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 07, 2006, 12:54:59 am
OMG, I was just watching an old episode of CSI: Miami and the girl that played Junior was a guest star.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 07, 2006, 02:06:57 am
Coming down the mountain – from Brokeback to Laramie

Earlier in the year when I was right in the midst of Brokeback fever, a fellow sufferer wrote the following:

I want to get over this film so I can get on with my real life. But I also don't want to let these characters go. If I think about them, I can keep them alive. If I stop thinking about them, they'll just fade away. That's a tragedy I don't want to live with either.

I posted the following reply which I hoped reassured this person

Don't worry. They ain't leaving anytime soon. We have already absorbed them by osmosis. This film is like an enzyme. Once it gets into your system and you have the appropriate receptors it goes to work on your psyche like yeast in dough. ... At the appropriate stage in this process I will get back to more normal living. I will be a different person but I'll be taking the boys with me. Just like Joe Aguirre's sheep got mixed up with some of the Chilean mob, I'll be bringing down some woollies with the EJ brand.

Well I finally did come down from the mountain and I did the bring boys with me – I had no choice because I had indeed absorbed them and their story. So what is this mountain I, and others are coming down from? And what does this involve?

To me Brokeback Mountain – the entire film not just the mountain – is a place of the mind, emotions and spirit. It is an inspiring and awesome place, a transformative place - but it is also an extremely painful place to be for reasons we all know too well. On one level the film was about a love relationship between two people – a difficult and deep bond existing under worse than difficult conditions – but nevertheless it was a relationship as we understand the term. On another level for me Jack and Ennis’ relationship was not quite of this world. At a symbolic level it represented something spiritual – the soul finding it’s beloved and thereby achieving wholeness.

At this level Brokeback Mountain represented even greater pain than the mere relationship level of two lovers parted – for it involved a kind of spiritual disconnection in which Ennis wandered in the wilderness, partly of his own making and partly of the world’s making. Jack represented the water of life (hope, love, happiness, union with the spiritual dimension) in this parched landscape that Ennis thirsted for but would not drink. Emotionally I wandered around in the Brokeback wilderness with Ennis for months on end, longing for Jack’s return. It seems like a psychological template which mirrors one's own situation in some subtle and perhaps more generalised way. Whatever effect the film was having on me, I knew that accepting Jack’s death was an essential part of the process. But accepting his death was unbearable.

I firmly believe that accepting Jack’s death is the hurdle to get over rather than accepting an inevitable lonely fate for Ennis. Jack’s death is the body blow that makes you to feel the the loss of something precious and the knowledge of just how precious the thing lost was. A sufi poet once wrote: “Do not grieve. Anything you lose comes round in another form.” It is this hope that sustains me in my own life and I believe Jack more than anything stood for hope. I feel intuitively that our longing for Jack is really a longing for love, happiness and spiritual fulfilment.

At some point, as I predicted, it was time for me to come down from the mountain. Just as Brokeback Mountain provided the environment to make a meditative journey within, I needed a pathway out back to normal life. Ennis needed that pathway too. As the Buddhists say “first enlightenment and then the laundry”.

The road to Laramie provided that pathway for both of us. We both needed to feel normal again! Having experienced the spiritual heights represented by his relationship with Jack, Ennis needed to come back to earth and apply what he had learnt and have a normal, everyday relationship, go to work, come home and cook and get on with his life. Much of what Ennis had lost with Jack did come around in another form in Ellery. Ellery has the same loving nature and emotional maturity as Jack. He has the same patience with Ennis as Jack.

But as the story makes clear, Ellery can never be a replacement for Jack. What Jack represents belongs fundamentally in the spiritual realm. You can never forget someone like Jack and some part of you will always yearn for him. That is true for Ennis. It is true for me and true for many of the readers of this story. Jack also represents joy, love and hope in this life. In seeking those things in the earthly realm with Ellery, I believe Ennis - and the readers of this story - are honouring what Jack stands for in his life and ours.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 07, 2006, 03:01:55 am
Jo,
thank you so much for your thoughts and hopes.
i'll treasure your words.
We are indeed coming down from the mountain and moving on...
 :)

Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 07, 2006, 03:15:22 am
Quote from: notBastet on November 07, 2006, 12:32:00 am
Hi all!

Am I the only one with sympathy for Jeeves? 

Nope, I'm right there with you.

I really respect his behaviour - he made it very clear that he is interested in Jeremy, but is stil the perfect gentlemen - he doesn't push, accepts "no" as no, doesn't try to manipulate or take advantage of Jeremy's confusion and depression - he really is a good friend...

His comment about "not being a gentlemen but knowing to play the part" just broke my heart. If a "gentlemen" is judged by his behaviour rather than his social status - Jeeves is every inch a gentlemen...

Oh well, we'll have to wait and see...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 07, 2006, 05:45:57 am
Hi MagicMountain,

Thank you for your words - they are beautiful.

I too wandered on top of my own mountain, and I, too, finally had to come down to get on with RL. It's so reassuring to know that I am not alone in the  experience.

However - I will never, can never, accepts Jack's death in the context of the film.  :'(

You so eloquently captured the essence of the film's tragedy IMHO  "Jack represented the water of life (hope, love, happiness, union with the spiritual dimension) in this parched landscape that Ennis thirsted for but would not drink" . Ennis is unable to grasp what was being offered to him - until it is much too late.

I have the film on DVD, but still stop it after their final confrontation. Can't bear to re-watch what happened afterwards, especially knowing how it will end, Jack's death, Ennis heartbreak and loneliness (and a too late realization of what Jack had actually meant for him, felt for him....)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 07, 2006, 05:58:53 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 06, 2006, 07:56:42 pm
Hi all - I decided that I've been lurking here long enough and it was time to join in the fun, especially all the discussion about who Dupree should get together with.

Here's my suggestion, which you can throw around as much as you like - Louise, have you considered the story-line possibility that Dupree's car gets engine problems, and Ennis advises Dupree to takes it to his trusty radiator repairman, Nate?  Dupree and Nate together could almost be a mirroring of Ellery and Ennis, perhaps?

Comments, anyone?

Well hello Richard, welcome to Bettermost. Nice to have you with us. You,ll meet June eventually.  ::) ::) Mornin June huni. ;) :-* Mornin peeps. I,ts a really foggy day today..had to put my headlights on to take the kids to school. I love all this speculation about Dupree. I cant really decide who his "first time" should be with tbh. I,ll just wait and see what fiendish plot Louise comes up with. I know it,ll be fiendish because she keeps doing her evil laughs lol. And then you just KNOW she,s up to something. ;) ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 07, 2006, 06:09:33 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 07, 2006, 03:15:22 am
Nope, I'm right there with you.

I really respect his behaviour - he made it very clear that he is interested in Jeremy, but is stil the perfect gentlemen - he doesn't push, accepts "no" as no, doesn't try to manipulate or take advantage of Jeremy's confusion and depression - he really is a good friend...

His comment about "not being a gentlemen but knowing to play the part" just broke my heart. If a "gentlemen" is judged by his behaviour rather than his social status - Jeeves is every inch a gentlemen...

Oh well, we'll have to wait and see...



I'm right there with you. Perfectly worded, thanks  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 07, 2006, 06:15:22 am
You can never forget someone like Jack and some part of you will always yearn for him. That is true for Ennis. It is true for me and true for many of the readers of this story. Jack also represents joy, love and hope in this life. In seeking those things in the earthly realm with Ellery, I believe Ennis - and the readers of this story - are honouring what Jack stands for in his life and ours.

OH God Jo, this part made me cry my eyes out  :'(

I'll NEVER forget Jack, ever. He will always be in my heart. Thank you
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 07, 2006, 06:18:36 am
Quote from: souxi on November 07, 2006, 05:58:53 am
Well hello Richard, welcome to Bettermost. Nice to have you with us. You,ll meet June eventually.  ::) ::) Mornin June huni. ;) :-* Mornin peeps. I,ts a really foggy day today..had to put my headlights on to take the kids to school. I love all this speculation about Dupree. I cant really decide who his "first time" should be with tbh. I,ll just wait and see what fiendish plot Louise comes up with. I know it,ll be fiendish because she keeps doing her evil laughs lol. And then you just KNOW she,s up to something. ;) ;) ;) ;D :laugh:

Hmmm ~ now what does *that* mean?? Huh??  >:(

Love your posts Souxi darlin, you always make me laugh!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 06:48:57 am
My goodness you all have been busy!

Welcome out of lurkdom, Richard.  I knew Dupree was a big hit among the readers, but I had no idea HOW big a hit he was until now.

Nate is a good suggestion, hovering on the edge of Ennis and Ellery's lives, and now being a witness to a mysterious arson near his shop... who knows?  who KNOWS?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 07, 2006, 06:58:06 am
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 06:48:57 am

Nate is a good suggestion, hovering on the edge of Ennis and Ellery's lives, and now being a witness to a mysterious arson near his shop... who knows?  who KNOWS?

He'll need a good hosing down with a yard brush first though.  :)

Hey - maybe Nate can have one of those teen movie style reveals. You know, where the geeky, bespectacled, unattractive girl suddenly blossoms into the most gorgeous babe in the school.

Let's have him enter the bar one night, all spruced up, finally revealing the Adonis that lurks beneath the grime. The bar will fall silent, all heads will turn and mouths will gape as he strolls to the bar (even Ennis's), and Dupree will finally feel that spark that he's been missing.

Yeah!!!  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 07:11:08 am
For some reason I am reminded of Anne Hathaway and the "Princess Diaries" where the royal hairdresser spends hours unfrizzing her hair and there is the teen movie reveal!  But in Nate's case, I think he needs industrial size degreaser!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 07, 2006, 07:11:58 am
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 06:48:57 am
My goodness you all have been busy!

Welcome out of lurkdom, Richard.  I knew Dupree was a big hit among the readers, but I had no idea HOW big a hit he was until now.

Nate is a good suggestion, hovering on the edge of Ennis and Ellery's lives, and now being a witness to a mysterious arson near his shop... who knows?  who KNOWS?

Yes well, then poor Dupree is going to end up covered in grease! yuck! (just kidding ;D)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 07, 2006, 07:24:50 am
Since I have lost all credibility with regard to my taste in men, I shall refrain from suggesting a suitable partner for our Jeremy.

I know where sex is concerned things are sometimes not straightforward and people can struggle in a fog of confusion, but it seems that Dupree's hormones have gone awol. Young men usually have to put it in somewhere - strike first and ask questions later. And if in doubt, just put a paper bag over their head! But Dupree doesn't seem to feel driven to have sex with anyone. It's not as if he is consciously struggling with a forbidden attraction to men while taking girls out. He just seems ambivalent.

Having said all that, Dupree is a sensitive soul and a decent young man and I am probably putting unworthy expectations on him! Shame on me! Has anyone suggested the priesthood?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 07, 2006, 07:31:35 am
Quote from: NavyVet on November 07, 2006, 12:54:59 am
OMG, I was just watching an old episode of CSI: Miami and the girl that played Junior was a guest star.

   I just saw her yesterday on an episode of the TV show "24".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 07:32:32 am
You folks are doing a disservice to the radiator repairmen of the world. I am sure Nate will clean up just fine!

And since it was posted 5000 posts ago and probably no one remembers, I offer this up again: one of our choices for Nate. We had two guys (and I don't think we ever decided). The other one was older and looked more like a country boy. Since we are talking about a potential love interest for Jeremy, I think this one is better since he looks to be a little closer in age.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Adventures_in_Babysitting_05.jpg)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 07:33:58 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 07, 2006, 07:24:50 am


Having said all that, Dupree is a sensitive soul and a decent young man and I am probably putting unworthy expectations on him! Shame on me! Has anyone suggested the priesthood?


That would probably settle the gay issue once and for all! LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 07, 2006, 07:39:45 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 07, 2006, 07:24:50 am
... but it seems that Dupree's hormones have gone awol. Young men usually have to put it in somewhere - strike first and ask questions later. And if in doubt, just put a paper bag over their head! But Dupree doesn't seem to feel driven to have sex with anyone. It's not as if he is consciously struggling with a forbidden attraction to men while taking girls out. He just seems ambivalent.


You know, I've been wondering about that one myself.

The guys I knew when 24 - 26, would have pounced on the  leggy Janice  the first chance they got - their job performance the next day, fatigue, or even common sense  be damned...

I assumed it's due to his subconscious attraction to men, but who knows...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 07, 2006, 07:50:01 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 07, 2006, 07:24:50 am
Since I have lost all credibility with regard to my taste in men, I shall refrain from suggesting a suitable partner for our Jeremy.


Aww.... ;D 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 07:55:07 am
well I think Charles Dance is kinda hot...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 07, 2006, 08:19:58 am
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 07:55:07 am
well I think Charles Dance is kinda hot...

Well at least three women in the world think he's bit of alright (and that it includes his wife who is also called Jo!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 07, 2006, 08:35:11 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 07, 2006, 08:19:58 am
Well at least three women in the world think he's bit of alright (and that it includes his wife who is also called Jo!)

I thought he was hot in White Mischief   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 07, 2006, 08:59:35 am
Quote from: opinionista on November 07, 2006, 07:11:58 am
Yes well, then poor Dupree is going to end up covered in grease! yuck! (just kidding ;D)


that was my first thought too---Nate is just too greasey!!

I may have to go reread Ennis' first impressions of him, and see if I am remembering correctly. LOL

And if that picture up there is the accepted one, (I didn't want the older guy, I remember that-LOL)
maybe you are right, he would  clean up and be just fine, I am still up in the air about it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 09:08:13 am
I have added some more comments to my essay.  If you wish to discuss it, please do so on the Livejournal entry.  If you haven't been friended, please pm me with your Livejournal name and I will add you to the private discussion list.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/145758.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 07, 2006, 09:27:10 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 07:32:32 am
You folks are doing a disservice to the radiator repairmen of the world. I am sure Nate will clean up just fine!


Moi? This is Ennis's own assessment of Nate the radiator man:

From Taking Chances, chapter 51

Quote
Ennis turned, startled. “Friday. Shit. I forgot Nate.”

Ellery blinked at him. “Nate? Who’s this Nate? You steppin out on me already?”

Ennis laughed softly. “If you saw how much grease an shit he’s got on em you wouldn’t ask, Ellery. He’s the radiator man. Made a date ta weld the truck today, before I got slugged. Forgot clean about it. Better call em.”

;D  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 07, 2006, 01:20:52 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 07, 2006, 07:24:50 am

 Has anyone suggested the priesthood?


That would certainly give him the opportunity to have lots of Gay sex with the Altar boys!

D'oh!

  The neighborhood was so happy that Dooley O'Harder became a Priest.   The neighborhood boys loved him.    They were always calling for him at all hours.  At night if you listened closely you could hear them:  "Father O'Harder!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Momof2 on November 07, 2006, 01:33:37 pm
I am 100% totally addicted.  Did not think I would be, but can not get enough.  Something else Brokeback to be addicted to.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 01:39:36 pm
Quote from: Momof2 on November 07, 2006, 01:33:37 pm
I am 100% totally addicted.  Did not think I would be, but can not get enough.  Something else Brokeback to be addicted to.  Oh well.

Is this new, momof2? If so, welcome to the club, glad to have you here. This thread is our little way of saying, "if you can't beat it, succumb."

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 07, 2006, 01:51:55 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 01:39:36 pm
Is this new, momof2? If so, welcome to the club, glad to have you here. This thread is our little way of saying, "if you can't beat it, succumb."

Leslie

Exactly right Leslie. (A) we dont WANT to beat it and (B) we enjoy succumbing. Ellery certainly does. ;) ;) ;) And Ennis certainly likes it when he does lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 07, 2006, 02:08:10 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 07, 2006, 01:20:52 pm
That would certainly give him the opportunity to have lots of Gay sex with the Altar boys!

D'oh!

  The neighborhood was so happy that Dooley O'Harder became a Priest.   The neighborhood boys loved him.    They were always calling for him at all hours.  At night if you listened closely you could hear them:  "Father O'Harder!"

 ;D 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 07, 2006, 02:11:02 pm
That's awfull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






I was an altar boy and n ever had that much fun.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 02:18:37 pm
speaking of succumbing...

I am typity type typing as we speak.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 07, 2006, 02:23:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 02:18:37 pm
speaking of succumbing...

I am typity type typing as we speak.

Good! It's been waaaaaaaaaaaaay too long Louise!  ;D

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 02:24:58 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 07, 2006, 02:23:30 pm
Good! It's been waaaaaaaaaaaaay too long Louise!  ;D

 :-*

Yeah, like going on 24 hours....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 02:35:22 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/146418.html  "Chapter 80:  On a Drunk"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: JennyC on November 07, 2006, 02:44:54 pm
I guess everyone run to read the newest chapter now.

Anyway, I want to know if I am the only one here that secretively hopes Dupree will turn out to be straight after all.   I don't know why  ::)  ;D.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 07, 2006, 02:48:16 pm
I just hope he turns out to be something...for heaven's sake
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 07, 2006, 03:08:07 pm
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 07, 2006, 02:48:16 pm
I just hope he turns out to be something...for heaven's sake

LOL he certainly is something!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 07, 2006, 03:09:28 pm
You know what I mean
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 07, 2006, 03:27:28 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 07, 2006, 01:20:52 pm
The neighborhood was so happy that Dooley O'Harder became a Priest.   The neighborhood boys loved him.    They were always calling for him at all hours.  At night if you listened closely you could hear them:  "Father O'Harder!"

David, was there a Father O'Limpus?  And if so, did he have the same 'ministering duties' at all hours?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 07, 2006, 03:29:03 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 02:35:22 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/146418.html  "Chapter 80:  On a Drunk"

Off to read while I have lunch!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 03:39:49 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/146563.html  "Chapter 81:  A Near Miss"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 07, 2006, 04:05:36 pm
*SPOILER*

Poor Jeremy. I think his head is all over the place and he just doesnt know what or who the hell he wants. He,s going to have one hell of a hangover in the morning though and a lot of explaining to do to Janice,,if she wants to listen. Either way, he,s really got to make his mind up. Right, i,m off for the night now. C ya tomorow peeps. Night all, night June. ;) ;D :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 04:13:09 pm
egads and little fishes, people.  Dupree is the rising star of the Laramie Saga, judging by the traffic on my website in the last two days.

What is it about Dupree that has everybody reading so avidly?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 07, 2006, 04:41:28 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 04:13:09 pm
egads and little fishes, people.  Dupree is the rising star of the Laramie Saga, judging by the traffic on my website in the last two days.

What is it about Dupree that has everybody reading so avidly?

Aside from all his amazing qualities, this doesn't hurt one bit ..  :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f564c068.jpg)


That and everyone is trying to figure out the mystery of his sexuality!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 07, 2006, 05:29:10 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 07, 2006, 04:41:28 pm
That and everyone is trying to figure out the mystery of his sexuality!

give me ten minutes with him in a dark room.  I'll find out!    LOL.

And if we're not out in 30 minutes go away!    he he he!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 07, 2006, 05:30:36 pm
YUMMY Milli  ;D

Thanks, as always  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 05:38:14 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 07, 2006, 05:29:10 pm
give me ten minutes with him in a dark room.  I'll find out!    LOL.

And if we're not out in 30 minutes go away!    he he he!

David you are a riot!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 07, 2006, 07:12:01 pm
More on the Dupree situation .. lol:

I hope no one throws rotten tomatoes at me for saying this ..(or I'll throw rotten cabbages back..  :P)  ..
I know that Jeeves is much older and all that, but there is a part of me that still thinks Jeeves would make a good partner for Dupree.  I know Dupree is not interested at all but .. I think Jeeves could take good care of him!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 07, 2006, 07:15:25 pm
I'm thinking Jeeves is too much of a gentleman to take advantage of Dupree.  At least I hope he wouldn't do anything to Dupree that Dupree was not ready and willing for.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 07:23:28 pm
Spoiler!



He had him naked and unconscious right there in his bedroom...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 07, 2006, 08:02:56 pm
Yes he did! 
And if he was a cad, he'd have totally taken advantage of the situation, but he didn't!  And because of that, I know that he truly cares for Dupree.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 08:09:03 pm
Quote from: Momof2 on November 07, 2006, 01:33:37 pm
I am 100% totally addicted.  Did not think I would be, but can not get enough.  Something else Brokeback to be addicted to.  Oh well.

Welcome...you are among friends....we understand....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 08:11:10 pm
very true Milli.

very very true.  What would YOU do with a naked, helpless Dupree laying in bed, right there before you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 07, 2006, 08:19:32 pm
Er ... I'd tuck him in.

 :-X 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on November 07, 2006, 08:21:37 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 07, 2006, 07:12:01 pm
More on the Dupree situation .. lol:

I hope no one throws rotten tomatoes at me for saying this ..(or I'll throw rotten cabbages back..  :P)  ..
I know that Jeeves is much older and all that, but there is a part of me that still thinks Jeeves would make a good partner for Dupree.  I know Dupree is not interested at all but .. I think Jeeves could take good care of him!   :)

I'm with you 100%, Lucise.
You are right on.

Homer
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 08:22:46 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 06, 2006, 01:13:57 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/31c01430.jpg)


I needed to post this picture again because....

well, because I have confession to make. Sometimes fan art just doesn't work for me. That is not a statement against the fan artists--here, Lucise, mostly, but we have also had Quiplash contribute some pictures. No, it is just that the genre is just sometimes not to my taste.

But this picture...I keep coming back to it and I keep looking at it. The images work, the iconography works but more than that...I have finally gotten the moment I have craved...getting to see a real, hot, E&E kiss. Look at this...they don't know I am watching. They are completely involved in the moment. Their eyes are closed, they exist only for each other. I am truly what we have all wanted to be...the fly on the wall

Lucise, this might be the ultimate THUD picture (well, ultimate that we can post here on Bettermost). Thanks for creating this, I love it.

Hugs to you,

Leslie
xoxo
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on November 07, 2006, 08:25:52 pm

But, I am not so sure that Jeremy is not interested in Jeeves.  Some younger men go for the older man.  Have you read "Joseph and the Old Man"?  There was a forty year difference there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 07, 2006, 08:32:25 pm
All righty folks, before I go to bed, I  have an important Dupree-Related Announcement:

I have made a commitment to write a follow-on Dupree story, which will answer the question once and for all - what does Dupree want?  It will continue past the end of the Saga proper.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 07, 2006, 09:33:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 08:11:10 pm
very true Milli.

very very true.  What would YOU do with a naked, helpless Dupree laying in bed, right there before you?

Like NV said, I'd .. umm .. tuck him in!  Yes, that's what I'd do!   8)
(Yap, that was a "T" at the start of the word, not the other letter that precedes "G")   :P ..lol


Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 08:32:25 pm
All righty folks, before I go to bed, I  have an important Dupree-Related Announcement:

I have made a commitment to write a follow-on Dupree story, which will answer the question once and for all - what does Dupree want?  It will continue past the end of the Saga proper.

Excellent! Excellent Louise!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 07, 2006, 09:39:41 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 08:22:46 pm
I needed to post this picture again because....

well, because I have confession to make. Sometimes fan art just doesn't work for me. That is not a statement against the fan artists--here, Lucise, mostly, but we have also had Quiplash contribute some pictures. No, it is just that the genre is just sometimes not to my taste.
But this picture...I keep coming back to it and I keep looking at it. The images work, the iconography works but more than that...I have finally gotten the moment I have craved...getting to see a real, hot, E&E kiss. Look at this...they don't know I am watching. They are completely involved in the moment. Their eyes are closed, they exist only for each other. I am truly what we have all wanted to be...the fly on the wall

Lucise, this might be the ultimate THUD picture (well, ultimate that we can post here on Bettermost). Thanks for creating this, I love it.

Hugs to you,
Leslie
xoxo

*blush*  .. Cheers Leslie!  ;)  Hugs right back at cha!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 07, 2006, 09:42:47 pm
Thank Louis; big  relieve ! :)

 this situation with Dupree is getting more and more hectic, after reading last chapter I almost started to scream :Mr. Chief Deputy to the rescue!!! Your assistant is going to be “desecrated”.  ;D

I hope he is the one able keeping his head cold while everyone is eager to have Jeremy tested right away.
Boy is confused beyond the limits and now not aware about what he is doing to himself, god he needs to breathe, needs to take his time to save himself in some quiet place from us all his head is going to pop otherwise.

I would never thought that Jeeves  - gentleman  is capable of taking advantage of drunken boy thought not completely unconscious still …However, how can he be content with himself having  his object of desire only “stoned“ in his arms and giving him his firs time experience?
Don’t kill me I turned to be mother hen for Dupree  now !
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 07, 2006, 10:07:01 pm
Jeeves  ..
(we haven't done one of these in a while .. )


Jeeves has just left Jeremy's apartment.  He tries to maintain his composure like a proper gent should.
He stands outside the building and looks towards Dupree's apartment, as if he can see through the walls  ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/b28d3fd7.jpg)


He thinks for a second about the leggy, fuming blonde he'd met some minutes before ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/faf78e4c.jpg)

"Does Dupree love her?," he wonders.
"That young man is breaking my heart", he thinks ..
He hails a cab and finally gets home .. he takes off his wool coat and hat  .. and steps into the parlour ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/23346581.jpg)


His mind still spinning, he pours himself a glass of brandy ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/695562b7.jpg)

.. anything to help him relax.
All he can think about is Dupree lying naked in his bed, so beautiful, so vulnerable, so warm ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/Fun/261d81e5.jpg)


Jeeves picks up the antique Robinson Crusoe novel he started reading the night before, he settles down in his study .. still no luck ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/5e0e2a03.jpg)


Ah, what's a man to do when he is falling in love ..
His novel long forgotten in his lap, Jeeves allows his mind to wander, as he ponders the matter of Dupree .. wondering if things would've been different if he'd met Dupree when he was 20 years younger ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/3779bdde.jpg)


...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 07, 2006, 11:33:00 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 08:11:10 pm
.  What would YOU do with a naked, helpless Dupree laying in bed, right there before you?

I would strip naked and climb into bed and spoon with him.    Hoping that when he woke up he would be sober enough to appreciate the new found company! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on November 07, 2006, 11:33:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 08:32:25 pm
All righty folks, before I go to bed, I  have an important Dupree-Related Announcement:

I have made a commitment to write a follow-on Dupree story, which will answer the question once and for all - what does Dupree want?  It will continue past the end of the Saga proper.

OH WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 08, 2006, 03:47:59 am
Wonderful photo series Milli!

One thing's for sure: Either Dupree has to take the bull by the horns or some other determined party is going to have to take his balls by the horns.

There has been some ambivalence about Jeeves and some of us may have an uninspiring picture of him in our minds. Perhaps the following image will increase enthusiasm for the Jeeves option:

(http://members.aol.com/citzsite/citz/pix/galre.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 08, 2006, 04:14:13 am
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 08:32:25 pm
I have made a commitment to write a follow-on Dupree story, which will answer the question once and for all - what does Dupree want?  It will continue past the end of the Saga proper.

YES!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 08, 2006, 04:15:45 am
Spoiler


I was just horrified to think Jeeves was actually contemplating having sex with Dupree in that state !
Thank god he passed out!.

If anything happens between him and Dupree (and I vote an enthusiastic YES), than our boy Jeremy has to make a conscious decision to go to him. And rather  scared and sober that drunk and disoriented ....

Anything else seems just ...well, for a lack of better word, exploitative...

What a disaster this could have turned into, if they did get it on, and Dupree wakes up naked and disoriented, feeling used, and hating both himself and Jeeves for taking advantage of him...

Did I mention I am just LOVING this story line??? ;D



Also - YAY for the Dupree story going on, Louise. Thank you!!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 08, 2006, 04:21:03 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 07, 2006, 08:22:46 pm
...this picture...I keep coming back to it and I keep looking at it. The images work, the iconography works but more than that...I have finally gotten the moment I have craved...getting to see a real, hot, E&E kiss. Look at this...they don't know I am watching. They are completely involved in the moment. Their eyes are closed, they exist only for each other. I am truly what we have all wanted to be...the fly on the wall

Lucise, this might be the ultimate THUD picture (well, ultimate that we can post here on Bettermost). Thanks for creating this, I love it.

Lucise, I totally agree with Leslie about this picture.  I always love your fanart, and you've created some truly wonderful images, but I have to say, I think this is my absolute favorite.  The ultimate THUD picture indeed!  Thank you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 08, 2006, 05:34:49 am
Quote from: laurel on November 08, 2006, 04:21:03 am
Lucise, I totally agree with Leslie about this picture.  I always love your fanart, and you've created some truly wonderful images, but I have to say, I think this is my absolute favorite.  The ultimate THUD picture indeed!  Thank you.

It certainly IS the ultimate *THUD* picture..and bless Heath and Hugh they have NO idea it exists lol. What do you think they would say if they saw it? :o :o Oh boy I wish they could see it and this story. *BIG SIGH* Mornin all btw, mornin June. ;) :-*
Great news about the Dupree story Lousie.  :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 08, 2006, 05:58:07 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 07, 2006, 09:33:26 pm
Like NV said, I'd .. umm .. tuck him in!  Yes, that's what I'd do!   8)
(Yap, that was a "T" at the start of the word, not the other letter that precedes "G")   :P ..lol



*raises hand*

I'm right with you ladies, that's EXACTLY what I'd do too... *coughs*

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 08, 2006, 05:58:13 am
Morning everyone.  boy, I have one day where I am not online and it all goes crazy again over here!!! lol

Not that I'm complaining, I love all the discussions, and the pictures and the spoilers.....

Loved the last two chapters Louise.  Poor Jeremy.  I really feel for him, being that confused and sad that he contemplated having sex with Jeeves, and in such a dreadful drunken state too.  I have to admit I think Jeeves has been very considerate and gentlemanly towards Jeremy, but he still fancies him and still holds out hope that something is going to happen....so glad that Jeremy had conked out before Jeeves could do anything, that would have been a complete disaster, and how would that have made Jeeves look?  Like a desparate old man. 

I am loving these chapters though Louise, they are so interesting and I just love Jeremy, is a wonderful character, but I think I've said that already.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 08, 2006, 06:00:41 am
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 08:32:25 pm
All righty folks, before I go to bed, I  have an important Dupree-Related Announcement:

I have made a commitment to write a follow-on Dupree story, which will answer the question once and for all - what does Dupree want?  It will continue past the end of the Saga proper.

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
   You still liking it Milli?? LOL!

 :-*  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 08, 2006, 06:03:08 am
Thanks as always Milli for the fantastic photo series! I loved it.

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 08, 2006, 06:04:41 am
Quote from: souxi on November 08, 2006, 05:34:49 am
It certainly IS the ultimate *THUD* picture..and bless Heath and Hugh they have NO idea it exists lol. What do you think they would say if they saw it? :o :o Oh boy I wish they could see it and this story. *BIG SIGH* Mornin all btw, mornin June. ;) :-*
Great news about the Dupree story Lousie.  :) :)

Morning Souxi!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 08, 2006, 06:16:03 am
Quote from: louisev on November 07, 2006, 08:32:25 pm
All righty folks, before I go to bed, I  have an important Dupree-Related Announcement:

I have made a commitment to write a follow-on Dupree story, which will answer the question once and for all - what does Dupree want?  It will continue past the end of the Saga proper.

This is wonderful news Louise!  Cant wait.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 08, 2006, 06:26:28 am
I've been re-reading, yet again, and came across the following exchange in Second Chances.

"An you ain't dressed decent for company, Ellery."

"You afraid Dupree was gonna get all hard for me?"

"I think he likes ta watch queer boys, if ya want the whole truth."

Ellery grinned. "Ya know I was thinkin the same thing. He's curious. That's why he was watchin when I gave ya a kiss. It don't disgust him like it does the queer bashin types."

"Yeah well he might not want ta... you know, get it on with a guy but he sure likes watchin an thinkin about it."

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 08, 2006, 10:53:22 am

muah hahahaha. very good pickup there, Jo!

Dupree is a multi-faceted and complex individual, whose friends remain quite curious about him.  Jeeves may be the most curious of all.

Quote from: magicmountain on November 08, 2006, 06:26:28 am
I've been re-reading, yet again, and came across the following exchange in Second Chances.

"An you ain't dressed decent for company, Ellery."

"You afraid Dupree was gonna get all hard for me?"

"I think he likes ta watch queer boys, if ya want the whole truth."

Ellery grinned. "Ya know I was thinkin the same thing. He's curious. That's why he was watchin when I gave ya a kiss. It don't disgust him like it does the queer bashin types."

"Yeah well he might not want ta... you know, get it on with a guy but he sure likes watchin an thinkin about it."


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 08, 2006, 11:53:09 am
Quote from: louisev on November 08, 2006, 10:53:22 am
muah hahahaha. very good pickup there, Jo!

Dupree is a multi-faceted and complex individual, whose friends remain quite curious about him.  Jeeves may be the most curious of all.


Your doing evil laughs again Lousie, what are you up to now eh? What fiendish plots have you got planned for poor Dupree. ;) ;) ;D And more importantly, what are our boys up to today? Bless em. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 08, 2006, 12:45:07 pm
er, well... the boys will be up again soon, after I get home and make my dinner and get some more honeydew melon in me.

I just felt like doing the evil laugh thing.  Does a body good.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 08, 2006, 12:55:59 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 08, 2006, 06:00:41 am
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
   You still liking it Milli?? LOL!

 :-*  :-*  :-*

Damn! June .. do you even have to ask?  :P

Howdy all!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 08, 2006, 01:07:11 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 08, 2006, 12:55:59 pm
Damn! June .. do you even have to ask?  :P

Howdy all!  :)

 ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 08, 2006, 02:10:15 pm
and I'm home, I've taken my allergy tablets, and I'm typity type typing away once more.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 08, 2006, 02:44:51 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/146803.html  "Chapter 82:  On the Subject of Dupree"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 08, 2006, 02:59:41 pm
Spoiler



Its bed time over here, and I managed to stay awake just on the off chance I'll be able to catch the new chapter.

Talk about a cliff-hanger.... :o !

So, Dupree calls, and... ???
How does he feel about it? is he happy he didn't make a huge mistake? is he disappointed? what ??? What will Ennis think???

How can I sleep at night, not knowing the answers???

Oh, the pain of addiction... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 08, 2006, 03:19:53 pm
Quote from: RonitR on November 08, 2006, 02:59:41 pm
Spoiler



Its bed time over here, and I managed to stay awake just on the off chance I'll be able to catch the new chapter.

Talk about a cliff-hanger.... :o !

So, Dupree calls, and... ???
How does he feel about it? is he happy he didn't make a huge mistake? is he disappointed? what ??? What will Ennis think???

How can I sleep at night, not knowing the answers???

Oh, the pain of addiction... ;D

I just read the chapter. Louise is just plain evil to leave us hanging like this and especially you if you have to wait untill tomorrow to read it  :D  But then she's been feeling evil all day hasnt she??  ;D

I'm dying to find out too and I love it that he's got Ennis to talk to.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 08, 2006, 03:34:33 pm
Well, Dupree is in a mixed up state and no mistake.

I think that during his last two encounters with Jeeves he was secretly hoping that Jeeves would just take control of the situation and then Dupree wouldn't have to make a conscious decision or make a move.

Is exxperimenting going to help him. Maybe he should start small with some snogging and making out with a guy that he's attracted to. Then if that doesn't float his boat then he doesn't have to take it any further.

Hope Ennis can offer some sage advice.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 08, 2006, 03:42:41 pm
I'm afraid Ennis is sorely lacking in the exprience department to be offering advise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 08, 2006, 04:04:12 pm
Sure, Kazza, starting slow with a little snogging might be nice!  But Dupree hasn't been thinking along the lines of starting slow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 08, 2006, 04:30:06 pm
Right I,m off to have a nice soak in the bath. I,ll probably lay there thinking about our boys as usual lol. ::) ::)
Hope your headache gets better soon Louise. Nite all, nite June. ;) ;D :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 08, 2006, 04:55:21 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 08, 2006, 04:30:06 pm
Right I,m off to have a nice soak in the bath. I,ll probably lay there thinking about our boys as usual lol. ::) ::)
Hope your headache gets better soon Louise. Nite all, nite June. ;) ;D :-* :-*

Nite Souxi  :-*

Enjoy your soak and your day dreaming  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 08, 2006, 05:43:49 pm
ok i am making it an early night. That was all, just the one chapter!  More on the morrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 08, 2006, 05:58:54 pm
Cheers for today's chapter, Louise, inspite of the splitting headache and all!
Looking forward to the morrow!  ;) 

~M
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 08, 2006, 08:07:16 pm
Lovely Jack Twist... ;D

Gone but not forgotten, not by us, not by Ennis not by Ellery. Regardless of what others have said.

Quote
Cause he ain’t dead to you, an I don’t think he ever will be.”

Ennis nodded. “No, he won’t. I don’t feel no different, except that I miss em, an I think you know how bad I miss em.”

The Long Way Home, Chapter 24


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/jack.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 08, 2006, 08:17:02 pm
Oh what a gorgeous picture of Jack and what a gorgeous quote.   :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 08, 2006, 08:17:29 pm
OH Natali ~ thanks so much for this gorgeous sweet pic of Jack. I heart it  :) And thanks for that beautiful quote.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 09, 2006, 02:27:55 am
So I know a lot of people say that Hugh looks like Clint Eastwood.  I kinda sorta saw it, but it wasn't until I started hunting up some pictures at comparative ages that I realized how STRONGLY Hugh resembles Clint Eastwood.

I put together this little side-by-side for youse:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/lorax523/ClintHugh.jpg)

Like WHOA.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 09, 2006, 02:59:25 am
Quote from: louisev on November 08, 2006, 04:04:12 pm
Sure, Kazza, starting slow with a little snogging might be nice!  But Dupree hasn't been thinking along the lines of starting slow!

Actually I also thought starting slow is a good idea.
But maybe that's a girl thing, and not Dupree's (or Jeeves ?) way . Of course, as Jeeves is older, he may be able to think about it ..

Hope your headache is all better Louise  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 09, 2006, 04:55:35 am
OH Jo ~ you got me good with this one *wipes away tears*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 09, 2006, 04:57:16 am
Quote from: MadLori on November 09, 2006, 02:27:55 am
So I know a lot of people say that Hugh looks like Clint Eastwood.  I kinda sorta saw it, but it wasn't until I started hunting up some pictures at comparative ages that I realized how STRONGLY Hugh resembles Clint Eastwood.

I put together this little side-by-side for youse:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/lorax523/ClintHugh.jpg)

Like WHOA.

Damn! Like WHOA indeed!!

Thanks Lori  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 09, 2006, 07:21:48 am
Ok, just realised this thread was here and I AM IN> up to ch30 of A Second Chance
[and hoping for a true finish to aliens on brokeback roflmao as well!}
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 09, 2006, 07:41:30 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 09, 2006, 07:21:48 am
Ok, just realised this thread was here and I AM IN> up to ch30 of A Second Chance
[and hoping for a true finish to aliens on brokeback roflmao as well!}

Hi again!

Great to see you here too  ;D Great that you are enjoying the Laramie Saga so much. You're among true fans here!  ;D

Hey and I'm a HUGE fan of Alien!Brokeback too! I was telling Louise the other day how much I missed those updates  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 09, 2006, 07:47:20 am
(http://film.onet.pl/oscary2006/aktor_2/jake.jpg)

Hey Jack!

Hey Jack!
You are forever
disappearing ……
Hey there Jack
Laughing boy
Oh Jack!
Always hurting
fading, leaving.....
Hold on Jack!
Oh laughing
lovely Jack
hold on

Come back …….
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 09, 2006, 08:37:04 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 09, 2006, 07:21:48 am
Ok, just realised this thread was here and I AM IN> up to ch30 of A Second Chance
[and hoping for a true finish to aliens on brokeback roflmao as well!}

Well hello young man.. Welcome to the madhouse, I mean Ennis and Ellery lol. Have you found the E&E gallery? If you havnt, you must check it out..some HOT stuff on there lol. Mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-* So what are our boys going to get up to on a sunday morning then? ;) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 09, 2006, 09:46:05 am
Quote from: souxi on November 09, 2006, 08:37:04 am
Well hello young man.. Welcome to the madhouse, I mean Ennis and Ellery lol. Have you found the E&E gallery? If you havnt, you must check it out..some HOT stuff on there lol. Mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-* So what are our boys going to get up to on a sunday morning then? ;) :)

Afternoon Souxi  ;D  :-*

Hmmmm ~ I wonder what they'll be doing....Ellery's still got a bad back hasn't he?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 09, 2006, 09:53:00 am
*moan* *groan* morning , er afternoon everyone. I just had a marathon sleep, called in sick to work, and here I am, eating cottage cheese and looking for my allergy pill.

Welcome brokeback jack!

And Lori - yes, the facial similarity between Hugh and Clint is like whoa!  They are also similar in body - same height, with the loooong legs and muscular torso.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 09, 2006, 10:21:29 am
Quote from: louisev on November 09, 2006, 09:53:00 am
*moan* *groan* morning , er afternoon everyone. I just had a marathon sleep, called in sick to work, and here I am, eating cottage cheese and looking for my allergy pill.

Welcome brokeback jack!

And Lori - yes, the facial similarity between Hugh and Clint is like whoa!  They are also similar in body - same height, with the loooong legs and muscular torso.

Afternoon Louise  :)

Aw ~ are you feeling any better?

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 09, 2006, 10:52:21 am
Physically, I don't know.  Mentally I feel better because I got a job offer, and that makes me feel like things are looking up. It isnt a job I want to take though.  However there is another job nibble I got too, in London.

And if I get it, the chances of my getting to Rotterdam at some point have just improved!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 09, 2006, 11:43:31 am
Quote from: louisev on November 09, 2006, 10:52:21 am
Physically, I don't know.  Mentally I feel better because I got a job offer, and that makes me feel like things are looking up. It isnt a job I want to take though.  However there is another job nibble I got too, in London.

And if I get it, the chances of my getting to Rotterdam at some point have just improved!


London!! Really? OH WOW ~ I hope you get that one, you can visit with  Helen! And you're right, I'm only an hour away!

Hope all of you feels better soon
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 09, 2006, 11:55:31 am
Quote from: louisev on November 09, 2006, 10:52:21 am
  However there is another job nibble I got too, in London.


Hee hee... and my evil plan to kidnap Louise and chain her to a PC is back on track....  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 09, 2006, 12:02:29 pm
good lord, maybe I should call my boss back and tell him no!!!  I have too many rabid fans in Britain!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 09, 2006, 12:05:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 09, 2006, 12:02:29 pm
good lord, maybe I should call my boss back and tell him no!!!  I have too many rabid fans in Britain!

Yeah, don't forget about Souxi and Christie and.... who else??

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 09, 2006, 12:08:39 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 09, 2006, 12:05:04 pm
Yeah, don't forget about Souxi and Christie and.... who else??

 ;D

OI!! I,m not rabid!! flamin cheek lol. ;D Afternoon peeps, ello June. ;) :-* So, what have you got planned for the most gorgeous two boys in the universe today then Louise? Hope your head feels better. Must have been a bad one to make you have a day off work..poor you. :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 09, 2006, 12:13:24 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 09, 2006, 12:08:39 pm
OI!! I,m not rabid!! flamin cheek lol. ;D Afternoon peeps, ello June. ;) :-* So, what have you got planned for the most gorgeous two boys in the universe today then Louise? Hope your head feels better. Must have been a bad one to make you have a day off work..poor you. :'(

 :P


 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 09, 2006, 12:14:46 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 09, 2006, 12:08:39 pm
OI!! I,m not rabid!! flamin cheek lol. ;D Afternoon peeps, ello June. ;) :-* So, what have you got planned for the most gorgeous two boys in the universe today then Louise? Hope your head feels better. Must have been a bad one to make you have a day off work..poor you. :'(

head still hurts. I am typity typing away as we speak.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 09, 2006, 12:47:22 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/146991.html  "Chapter 83:  The Way It Was"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 09, 2006, 12:53:40 pm
Quote from: MadLori on November 09, 2006, 02:27:55 am
So I know a lot of people say that Hugh looks like Clint Eastwood.  I kinda sorta saw it, but it wasn't until I started hunting up some pictures at comparative ages that I realized how STRONGLY Hugh resembles Clint Eastwood.

I put together this little side-by-side for youse:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/lorax523/ClintHugh.jpg)

Like WHOA.

 :D

My heart skipped a beat when I logged in and was greeted by Clint's face ..and then Hugh's..
Thanks Lori!

Now I have an excuse to post a pic or two of my beloved ..  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Clint_Eastwood/32e1c7f8.jpg) (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Clint_Eastwood/abb56100.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 09, 2006, 07:07:03 pm
SPOILER



Mmmm... I bet Ennis never in a million years would have cast himself in the role of agony aunt!  :)

Dupree and Jeeves should be talking to each other. Does Dupree really think that something could have happened without him remembering any of it? How drunk would you need to be? And Ellery is still perplexed about Dupree's confusion.

Hope you're feeling all better now Louise.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 09, 2006, 07:37:05 pm
He makes an unlikely confidant, truly.

I am sick of lying in bed and am working on the next chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 09, 2006, 08:34:34 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/147257.html  "Chapter 84:  And On the Subject of Jeeves"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 09, 2006, 08:50:16 pm
What a great accompanyment to "pornography in ever-widening circles", as someone who must have been weaned on a pickle put it....   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 09, 2006, 09:05:03 pm
okay, that is all for me tonight, folks, wish me luck feeling better, and more E & E goodness (and hopefully that nice juicy contract in London) on the morrow.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 09, 2006, 09:20:35 pm
Nothing but the best of luck Louise.  :)

Off to read the new chap.

~L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 10, 2006, 01:59:43 am

Cooeee Louise! - Click here for a little serenade with a French accent!

http://members.tripod.com/~compmast/chevalie/chevalie.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: laurel on November 10, 2006, 02:20:19 am
Hi, all!
I'm just catching up on the last few pages of this thread.  Louise, I didn't realize you were sick.  Hope you feel better soon, and good luck with the London job!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 10, 2006, 03:34:43 am
Quote from: laurel on November 10, 2006, 02:20:19 am
Hi, all!
I'm just catching up on the last few pages of this thread.  Louise, I didn't realize you were sick.  Hope you feel better soon, and good luck with the London job!

Hi Laurel  :)

Yes, Louise,  hope you're all better today  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 10, 2006, 04:29:03 am
Hi Louise -

Hope you're feeling better, and best of luck with the job contract (let's face it, a good job is really important !).




Spoiler

"... right now you don’t need to complicate your life with fussy middle aged men like me. I think you need to deal with the hurt of being rejected by someone you are truly interested in, and perhaps, find a woman who is a bit more open-minded.... Something tells me – it is really a woman you want"


What ?? no, no, go back... of course he needs to complicate his life with a middle aged man... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 10, 2006, 04:40:41 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 10, 2006, 04:29:03 am


Spoiler

"... right now you don’t need to complicate your life with fussy middle aged men like me. I think you need to deal with the hurt of being rejected by someone you are truly interested in, and perhaps, find a woman who is a bit more open-minded.... Something tells me – it is really a woman you want"


What ?? no, no, go back... of course he needs to complicate his life with a middle aged man... ;D

I'll second that!


 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 05:04:38 am
all of your good wishes helped. It's a sunny Friday, I slept all right last night and feel like me again.  Thank goodness.  And all of the back and forth on the subject of Jeeves and Dupree is tempting me to toss up a poll.  What do you guys think?  A Jeeves/Dupree poll?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 10, 2006, 05:15:12 am
Quote from: louisev on November 10, 2006, 05:04:38 am
all of your good wishes helped. It's a sunny Friday, I slept all right last night and feel like me again.  Thank goodness.  And all of the back and forth on the subject of Jeeves and Dupree is tempting me to toss up a poll.  What do you guys think?  A Jeeves/Dupree poll?

Glad your feeling better Louise. :-* Mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-*. Bloody frosty today,. had to scrape my car again. :o :o Yep a poll is a brill idea Louise.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 10, 2006, 05:34:46 am
Quote from: souxi on November 10, 2006, 05:15:12 am
Glad your feeling better Louise. :-* Mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-*. Bloody frosty today,. had to scrape my car again. :o :o Yep a poll is a brill idea Louise.  :)

Whew Louise, happy to hear that  :)

Yep ~ I'm up for a poll!!

And good morning Souxi darlin!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 06:45:35 am
okay, before we do a poll, I wrote down some more thoughts here, for those who wish to know.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/147598.html

For private friends viewing only.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 06:52:34 am
a new poll is UP.  Only one vote is allowed - however, you are allowed to change your vote.

This poll will not affect the outcome or the ending of "The Red Stallion."

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=5928.new#new  "What Should Dupree Do?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 10, 2006, 06:52:43 am
Quote from: louisev on November 10, 2006, 06:45:35 am
okay, before we do a poll, I wrote down some more thoughts here, for those who wish to know.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/147598.html

For private friends viewing only.

Hi Louise, am I able to get on the private friends only part of your lj?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 10, 2006, 07:37:51 am
Quote from: christie wood on November 10, 2006, 06:52:43 am
Hi Louise, am I able to get on the private friends only part of your lj?

Me too

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 07:45:02 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 10, 2006, 07:37:51 am
Me too

Karen

Christie: I added you.  Karen - is your livejournal name "Kazza" ?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 10, 2006, 07:54:34 am
Hi Louise

It's Kazzaml. Very dull huh?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 07:56:05 am
okay, Kazzaml is added.  It's - different... hehehe.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 10, 2006, 08:02:15 am
Quote from: louisev on November 10, 2006, 06:52:34 am
a new poll is UP.  Only one vote is allowed - however, you are allowed to change your vote.

This poll will not affect the outcome or the ending of "The Red Stallion."

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=5928.new#new  "What Should Dupree Do?"

Dont mention the ending. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Feel all sad now. :'( :'( *SNIFF*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 08:06:19 am
awwwww *pat pat pat pat pat*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 10, 2006, 01:11:44 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 10, 2006, 06:45:35 am
okay, before we do a poll, I wrote down some more thoughts here, for those who wish to know.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/147598.html

For private friends viewing only.

Hi Louise!  Hope you're feeling good today.  Some days I function better than others, some days I don't make a lot of sense.  I was feeling particularly talkative this morning, and so I kind of rambled at your LJ - hope it sounds somewhat coherent.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 01:31:02 pm
and I thank you for every rambling word NV!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 10, 2006, 01:37:03 pm
Hi all. How are you feeling today Louise? Hope your head is better. :-* So, what mischief are our boys going to get up to for the rest of the day then? They can start by unplugging that damn phone, and hanging a large "do not disturb" sign on the front door lol. ::) ::) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 10, 2006, 01:52:37 pm
Very good essays, Louise, and I left two comments.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 10, 2006, 01:56:37 pm
This is a bit off-topic, but in researching a book report I'm doing about My Friend Flicka, set in an area between Laramie and Cheyenne, I got some interesting info about the Lincoln Highway:  Wikipedia says:

“The Lincoln Highway was the first road across America.  This famed transcontinental highway was conceived in 1913 by Carl G. Fisher.  The Lincoln Highway spanned more than 3000 miles (5000 km), coast-to-coast, from Times Square in New York City to Lincoln Park in San Francisco, originally through 13 states: New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada and California.  In 1915, the "Colorado Loop" was removed, and in 1928, a realignment relocated the Lincoln through the northern tip of West Virginia.  Thus, there are a total of 14 states through which the highway passed.”

In the present day, the Interstate has about replaced the Lincoln Highway. I'm not sure if in the mid-1980s Ennis and Ellery would have seen the original road; probably not. But it's a part of American history that's been overshadowed by Route 66 for some reason.



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 02:16:10 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 10, 2006, 01:37:03 pm
Hi all. How are you feeling today Louise? Hope your head is better. :-* So, what mischief are our boys going to get up to for the rest of the day then? They can start by unplugging that damn phone, and hanging a large "do not disturb" sign on the front door lol. ::) ::) :)

hee hee... I am feeling better today.  Tired right now, but the headache is definitely gone.  Maybe my antihistamines finally kicked in!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 03:10:49 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/147762.html  "Chapter 85:  100% In Love"


WARNING:  BBM Flashback!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 10, 2006, 05:14:14 pm
Right nite peeps, nite June. C ya all tomorow. Glad your feeling better Louise. tc.xxxx :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 06:17:33 pm
....say that reminds me:  where is JUNE?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 10, 2006, 06:43:24 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 10, 2006, 06:17:33 pm
....say that reminds me:  where is JUNE?

I'm here Louise! ~ trying to catch up. RL has been busy and I've been feeling REALLY tired today  :( Hope I'm not coming down with something  :(  I think I'm behind one or two chapters.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 10, 2006, 06:53:02 pm
Jeez, you guys can't be getting sick!  Take it easy June ..  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 10, 2006, 07:15:56 pm
I'm good, I'm back on top.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 10, 2006, 07:23:17 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 10, 2006, 07:15:56 pm
I'm good, I'm back on top.

Capital!


Quote from: louisev on November 10, 2006, 03:10:49 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"
http://louisev.livejournal.com/147762.html  "Chapter 85:  100% In Love"
WARNING:  BBM Flashback!

Loved this chap Louise. Tender and sweet.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 10, 2006, 07:24:53 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 10, 2006, 06:53:02 pm
Jeez, you guys can't be getting sick!  Take it easy June ..  ;)

Aw thanks Milli  :-*

OMG ~ you're nearly up to 5000 posts!!  :o

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 10, 2006, 07:52:41 pm
lol..looks like I got 4 posts to get there  ..


How about some Jack, hmm..?

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/37878f2e.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/1215440a-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 10, 2006, 08:56:06 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 10, 2006, 07:15:56 pm
I'm good, I'm back on top.

Is that you talking Louise  - or Ennis?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 10, 2006, 08:58:09 pm
Man, I am trying to get to 3000....

Here is a Jake picture that everyone should enjoy, just part of the race to the big 3-0...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/jakeg3.jpg)


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 10, 2006, 09:10:35 pm
OMFG Leslie!!  :o  :o

 ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 10, 2006, 09:25:14 pm
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ebf93068-1.jpg)

Ennis lives!

Beneath that downcast glance
Ennis lives
For once he takes a chance
Ennis lives

He goes to Jack that second night
His deepest fear he puts to flight
Ennis loves

Yet again he braves the dark
A lonely journey long and stark
Ennis leaves

The wind is at his back
Bequeathed to him by Jack
Ennis hopes

The die for him is cast
Life opens up at last
Ennis finds

Beneath that downcast glance
Ennis loves
Once again he takes a chance
Ennis loves
Ennis lives!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 10, 2006, 09:44:14 pm
Bravo, Jo!

Now I need to scurry off and find some Ennis pictures....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 10, 2006, 09:46:47 pm
How about this, the god of a man who plays Ennis?


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/450_ledger_060908.jpg)

Sigh...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 10, 2006, 10:21:20 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 10, 2006, 08:58:09 pm
Man, I am trying to get to 3000....

Here is a Jake picture that everyone should enjoy, just part of the race to the big 3-0...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/jakeg3.jpg)


L

Oh...my...gawd ... humina humina... *thud*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 10, 2006, 11:03:51 pm
There's a lot to be said for anonymity isn't there?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 11, 2006, 07:49:13 am
I am completely screwed.
I can't read the thread until I get current: afraid of spoilers.
I can't get current because i want the Saga to last as long as possible and I'm maybe halfway through A Second Chance.

Yet i actually came home from a 2007 Colorado { & Wyoming } Brokeback BBQplanning  meeting [cough, dinner lol], went to sleep. Or tried to. Ended up quietly not waking K. up from her well deserved  sleep and coming downstairs to read more chapters.

I am screwed, lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 11, 2006, 08:41:52 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 11, 2006, 07:49:13 am
I am completely screwed.
I can't read the thread until I get current: afraid of spoilers.
I can't get current because i want the Saga to last as long as possible and I'm maybe halfway through A Second Chance.

Yet i actually came home from a 2007 Colorado { & Wyoming } Brokeback BBQplanning  meeting [cough, dinner lol], went to sleep. Or tried to. Ended up quietly not waking K. up from her well deserved  sleep and coming downstairs to read more chapters.

I am screwed, lol.

Welcome...you are among friends. We all suffer together...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 11, 2006, 08:43:13 am
I was rummaging in my photobucket, looking for some other pictures and came across this, which brought back a nice memory:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 11, 2006, 08:43:24 am
oh Jack!  What a dilemma!  Actually yes you can read the thread, you just have to wind back to the beginning here when everyone was reading "A Second Chance" in July!

And everyone, a reminder about... SPOILERS! since yes, we do have new readers coming on!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 11, 2006, 09:10:04 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 11, 2006, 07:49:13 am
I am completely screwed.
I can't read the thread until I get current: afraid of spoilers.
I can't get current because i want the Saga to last as long as possible and I'm maybe halfway through A Second Chance.

Yet i actually came home from a 2007 Colorado { & Wyoming } Brokeback BBQplanning  meeting [cough, dinner lol], went to sleep. Or tried to. Ended up quietly not waking K. up from her well deserved  sleep and coming downstairs to read more chapters.

I am screwed, lol.

Welcome to E&E Jack. It is kind of addictive isnt it lol. Enjoy your stay and happy reading! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 11, 2006, 09:21:15 am
Aw Leslie, soo nice to see that again. Thanks!  :)

Good for your post count too!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 11, 2006, 09:27:02 am
Oh, I only saw just now that you've already past 3000!!  ::)


Jeeeez Leslie, I'm impressed!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 11, 2006, 10:33:02 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 11, 2006, 09:27:02 am
Oh, I only saw just now that you've already past 3000!!  ::)


Jeeeez Leslie, I'm impressed!!  ;D

Thank you. And I can tell you that every single post said something important. You can go read them all if you don't believe me. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 11, 2006, 10:40:45 am
I am typity type typing in case anyone was compulsively refreshing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 11, 2006, 10:59:44 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 11, 2006, 10:33:02 am
Thank you. And I can tell you that every single post said something important. You can go read them all if you don't believe me. LOL

L

Oh believe me, I already have!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 11, 2006, 11:01:05 am
Quote from: louisev on November 11, 2006, 10:40:45 am
I am typity type typing in case anyone was compulsively refreshing.

*raises hand*  I was  ::)  so goody!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 11, 2006, 11:05:19 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/148168.html  "Chapter 86:  A Cozy Little Chat"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 11, 2006, 12:00:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 11, 2006, 10:40:45 am
I am typity type typing in case anyone was compulsively refreshing.

i wasn't louise  ::)

i was just lucky  ;)

spoiler


Interesting! ADA Samuelson hunh? Can't wait to see how that goes

nice chat between Dupree and Ellery. Dupree may be lonely and confused about certain things, but he's got a lot of good friends.
He'll be ok.

thanks louise, nice chapter  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 11, 2006, 01:14:30 pm
....and another update

http://louisev.livejournal.com/148225.html  "Chapter 87:  A Case of Details"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 11, 2006, 02:22:13 pm
Well, off I go to visit The Mouse.  I'll tell Mickey y'all said howdy!

Managed to squeeze in these last 2 chapters this morning - yay - that will have to hold me.  You go, Dupree!   :laugh:

Bringing my old laptop - the resort wants 10 bucks a day for Internet access - the nerve!  But I don't know how much free time I'll have to use it.

I am meeting my Beta in person tomorrow  - I'm so excited! - and we're doing lunch at Rainforest Cafe and I know we'll have lots to talk about.

I'll be back next Saturday, so y'all have a real good week.  I'll miss you guys/gals.

Toodles!
NV 
 :-*  :-*   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 11, 2006, 02:26:10 pm
have a great time NavyVet!  Say hi to Goofy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 11, 2006, 02:29:19 pm
Have a great time NV!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 11, 2006, 02:47:12 pm
Have a lovely time NV. We arnt sick with jealousy.....much. lol. tc hun and enjoy yourself. We,ll look after our boys whilst your away, wont we June? They,ll be in good "hands". lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 11, 2006, 03:02:21 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 11, 2006, 02:47:12 pm
Have a lovely time NV. We arnt sick with jealousy.....much. lol. tc hun and enjoy yourself. We,ll look after our boys whilst your away, wont we June? They,ll be in good "hands". lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D

NO ~ I wouldn't want to go to Disneyland, no way!  ;)

We will Souxi  ;D  You bet! lol  ;D

"Hands"??!  ???   :P 

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 11, 2006, 03:55:23 pm
Bonus chapter:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/148560.html  "Chapter 88:  Interdepartmental Relations"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 11, 2006, 04:05:34 pm
*SPOILER*

All I,m gonna say about that chapter, in case I spoil it for anyone is..I love Wes lol. Bless him. And on that note, I,m off for the night. See you all tomorow peeps. Night all, night June. ;) :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 11, 2006, 04:15:27 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 11, 2006, 04:05:34 pm
*SPOILER*

All I,m gonna say about that chapter, in case I spoil it for anyone is..I love Wes lol. Bless him. And on that note, I,m off for the night. See you all tomorow peeps. Night all, night June. ;) :-* :-*

Nite Souxi  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 11, 2006, 06:18:44 pm
This is my 5000th post!  Woohoo!

I thought I'd post something meaningful:
Like a picture of three VERY important people in our lives ..lol..
Enjoy!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/JG_HL/6122161c.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 11, 2006, 08:16:43 pm
Hmm,  this new ADA is a tough one isn't she?   Maybe she will jump Dupree before Jeeves does?    LOL.    And she will be the "Top"! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 11, 2006, 09:02:03 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 11, 2006, 08:16:43 pm
Hmm,  this new ADA is a tough one isn't she?   Maybe she will jump Dupree before Jeeves does?    LOL.    And she will be the "Top"! 

LOL David!  :) :)

Milli that trio of pics took my breath away. It is the first time I think that we have seen the three of them together.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 11, 2006, 11:36:50 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 11, 2006, 06:18:44 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/JG_HL/6122161c.jpg)

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"When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy. When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight." Kahlil Gibran
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 11, 2006, 11:54:46 pm
Ennis Del Mar’s Little Book of (Hard Won) Wit and Wisdom

The good news is that you may have created my past and screwed up my present but you have no control over my future. 

Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.

You'll be surprised to know how far you can go from the point where you thought it was the end.

When love beckons to you, follow him, though his ways are hard and steep. And when his wings enfold you yield to him, though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on.

Sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith, jump, and build your wings on the way down.

Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is that quiet voice at the end of the day saying, I will try again tomorrow.

Sometimes you have to look reality in the eye and deny it

Sometimes there are things in our life that aren't meant to stay. Sometimes change may not be what we want. Sometimes change is what we really need. And sometimes saying goodbye is the hardest thing you think you'll ever have to do, but sometimes it's saying 'hello again' that breaks you down and makes you the most vulnerable person you'll ever know. Sometimes change is too much to bear, but most of the time change is the only thing saving your life.

As time goes by, life has a way of rearranging itself. People enter your life, and inevitably, they leave as well. Things have a tendency to happen that can turn your world upside down. You’ll come to realize eventually, that even though things are different, you are as well.

It's LIFE you're angry at. People leave. Period. They move on; they get sick; they die. That's life, darling. That's life. But if you let that stop you from living then what's the point of it all?

Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding.

It might sound strange to start a story with an ending, but all endings are also beginnings, we just don't know it yet


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 12, 2006, 03:34:49 am
SPOILER


" “Excuse me?” her voice squeaked slightly.

“I think you heard me loud an clear, Counselor. We got ta pull this arson thing together, so stop tryin ta redo what is already done, trot out Cantrell’s list for next week’s prelim an let’s get this show on the road.”"


Am I the only one who thinks Wes was way, way out of line?

I used to do some prosecuting work (for a short time, a million years ago, and not in the US, so I am not familiar with its legal system ), but I really think that when a DA handles  a case, all major decisions should be his/ hers, and not the police (who sometime have a very different view as to how the case should be handled ).

I am a little surprised that she didn't like Ellery's list - as he is experienced, and very good at what he does - but it should be her call, as it is her responsibility (and if she's wrong, her days in that job are few ...).

If I were her, I would march right into my boss's office, and raise hell !! (if I am not competent to pick my own witnesses, than I am clearly not competent to lead the case ...)

Again, just my 2 cents...



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 03:58:10 am
SPOILER!!! eeek, here I warned all of you about spoilers and then I forget them!
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RonitR - I didn't present the situation as clear-cut.  Wes had had a little preliminary discussion with Samuelson ahead of time to find out what her experience was with murder cases, and let her know that Ellery had a lot of experience and she could rely on him - and she didn't look at what he had prepared.

Yes - you are right in that the DA's office has to pick its own witnesses and make its own case, that is very true.  However, in a short-staffed situation (she hasn't even got someone to answer the phone right now) it is foolish to disregard the field work done by the chief deputy on the case (who met with the witnesses after all.)  Yes - it is her decision, however, Wes is right to raise a red flag if she is going to reinterview people simply because she doesn't want to use any of the prep work Ellery did - they have to work together, no matter what, and that means cooperation.  The problem is not who gets to choose who the witnesses are - it is an issue of cooperation, and she has no reason to second-guess Ellery's police work.  Not yet, anyway.  If he were a lower ranking officer, maybe, but not when he is the most seasoned person on Wes's staff.  Of course Wes is going to come down on her for that.  That's what I was going for.  But then again, I never worked as a prosecutor...!  He did ask her if she had any reason to question Ellery's judgement.... and she doesn't.  Just that it isn't hers.  Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 12, 2006, 04:43:12 am
SPOILER


Yes, Louise, it makes a LOT of sense.

Thinking on it again - if she had any real reason to question Ellery's witness list, she should have advised Wes (if only to make sure the same mistakes are not repeated).

I guess I was just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt - right now I like the ADA ( all 6 feet of her' LOL). ;D and I remember what its' like to be a new girl on the team, with all the guys assuming you can't cut mustard because, well, you're a girl...  :-\

Still - the new chapters are GREAT fun. Wish it was a TV series, so we actually got to SEE Dupree's face when she corrected his grammar, or  Wes' s face when he heard she didn't like Ellery's list  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 12, 2006, 05:57:17 am
SPOILER






Quote from: RonitR on November 12, 2006, 04:43:12 am
Wish it was a TV series, so we actually got to SEE Dupree's face when she corrected his grammar, or  Wes' s face when he heard she didn't like Ellery's list  ;D


Absolutely. This is just made for TV (if not a movie). Imagine the cliffhangers. Of course the sex would need to be toned down but these days hardly anything is left to the imagination anyway. And TV series often work through relationship and contemporary social issues as well featuring high drama.



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 06:01:35 am
one thing I can't imagine myself ever doing ... is writing for TV! eeek eeek eeek!

I'm glad I didn't hit the wrong notes here - the tension and drama between the new ADA and our boys at the sheriff's office has generated a lot of comment!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 12, 2006, 07:42:17 am
Just read that Hugh will produce and star in a screen adaptation of Robert Littell's spy novel The Amateur. He will play a CIA agent whose fiancee is killed by terrorists.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 07:45:13 am
yup... I think that is on the 2007 release list.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 12, 2006, 07:53:34 am

I've only read  the beginning sections of the thread because i don't want to know too much about what's coming. Actually i don't want to know ANYthing about what's coming, I'm midway through A Second Chance. Crazy about it. So I hope this doesn't bore the devil out of everybody <g>

 Louise you are one prolific writer, can't believe how often you update. TWO, THREE, SOMETIMES 4 CHAPTERS A DAY! Some of the things  my fellow readers wrote in the beginning pages of the thread have me on the floor--that first fey and  skinny 20 year old who some  thought was Ellery had me falling out a my chair. Your own vision came very close to what was in my head.  Did you use the picture as a model, or find it after? The picture you posted really is the Ellery you write about!

And the floor plan of the house! That had me getting out my measuring tape and pad, figuring out the spacing of the blown out windows.

I hope some of the really off base  fan misconceptions have gotten cleared up though. I was speechless when somebody  went to realestate.com or something and looked at what was supposedly the housing stock.It's Wyoming, not Prince Georges County. roflmao!  Laramie has , I think 28,000 people, it's the most traditionally liberal place in a republican state. It's a small town proud of it's university and Museum, a small town where you would starve if food couldn't be imported, as absolutely nothing grows there. As in Nothing lol.

 It's a small town in a  republican state which has a good  DEMOCRATIC governor ["Dave"], a state where you find hardcore bikers who rant about the stupidity of George Bush while church ladies plan the next social at the adjacent truck stop table. One night, two 20 year olds behind us--one with a GF who god help me reminded me of Alma--thrashed out the  devastation caused to their love ['a love we started in the 2nd grade...'] by booze. As in love. We thought it was a rewrite of Brokeback--the dark haired kid was confronting his  blonde haired buddy, who'd been so drunk that he had fallen out of his saddle 4 days before. And indeed, he was very drunk as he was reminded of this.  At which point the GF mumbled 'I can't handle this!' and ran to the ladies room.  Typical evening at the truckstop roflmao. Wyo i's not your usual  State lol.

The whole thing about real estate prices in Wyoming was hilarious. I mean it's WYOMING, where 20,000 acre ranches have a 'nice' house. Nothing more then NICE. Massapequa,on the south shore of Long Island nice. Ordinary. A split level  that costs 600,000.00+ in NJ and is just as ordinary would go for maybe 250,000.00  and have land with it. If it had a mountain view it would go for a million or 2 or yes, 3 and nobody would talk to you.

People live in Wyomig to be RURAL in the Cowboy State. You have something like 98,000 miles with less then half a million people living in them, you can stand on a hill in the most developed part of the state down by Cheyenne and Laramie and see 1 structure visible in the 20+ miles your gaze takes you.


To understand what all this means, and what Louisev is describing, The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland--England, Wales, Scotland, the province of Ulster across the Irish sea and all the outlying areas such as Man and the Channel Islands,  the Orkneys--have approximately the SAME land area with [2005] SIXTY MILLION, TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE. Wyoming has about 450,000 inhabitants in the same land area. The vast loneliness of the High Plains DOES roll over you.

We went to a banquet  2 weeks ago. When my fiance called to ask what to wear the reply was a baffled: 'It's WYOMING.  Nobody will care what you wear.' The voice on the telephone continued: ' Nobody cares. You will find gowns, ranchwear and probably jeans and tshirts at the banquet. Wear whatever you feel like wearing. ' Which is exactly what she did [dark blouse, pearls, skirt, all Western], and what we found at the keynote banquet to what was one of the best literary events it's ever been my privelage to attend.  A banquet where one of the countries best writers read her work --in plain dark slacks and a blouse for you fashionistas--and the audience went wild.


Unless you have experienced Wyoming, it's almost impossible to do it justice--the poverty-which-isn't-poverty because urban and eastern standards do not apply and never have; the wealth; the 'normal' standards of the vast majority; the actual poverty by WYOMING standards; the strangeness; the openness of the people and real friendliness; the Native American nations; the feeling of ' us rural cowboys against the rest who don't get it and the lawyer who wears my hat'; the abnormal normality, the normal abnormality--like Cheyenne, living  literally on TOP of 40% of the worlds nuclear bombs { i'm serious--got a friend who has some off the backyard. He's very proud of 'his' nuclear bomb silo roflmao, says he kept NY and Berlin alive: 'Come on, let me show you ma nuclear weapons ' roflmaooooo}

And no i don't live there. Yet.  I'm just another guy who is in love with the High Plains just to the north of me, and the people who inhabit them. Most of my state of  thinks Wyoming is waaay wierd. It is. But then so am i lol.

Hope I didn't bore the hell out of the entire thread...just wanted to add my 12 cents. <g>

Jack
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 08:09:48 am
thanks for your twelve cents, Jack!

As a matter of fact, my first choice for Ellery was Keith Carradine.  He wasn't 100% my vision of him, but he was the closest I could find - tall and gangly, long dark hair... missing only the slate-grey eyes (which Hugh Jackman doesn't have either.)    Keith was close, in my mind.  When DeeDee (from Bettermost) offered Hugh Jackman as a better alternative to cast as Ellery, I thought to myself (as did many other readers) :  ah HA!  So I was well into the third book (where you are, approximately) before a front-runner for casting Ellery actually emerged.

Keeping that in mind, however - casting of an actual actor is not really up to me.  It is whatever works in the mind of the reader(s).

Always good to get some first-hand knowledge of the area to help fill out our mutual obsession with all things BBM!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 12, 2006, 08:25:02 am
didn't realise i wrote such a LONG post, sorry-- hey does Dupree have a pic?

want a know who i'm readin about! <g>
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 08:32:40 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 12, 2006, 08:25:02 am
didn't realise i wrote such a LONG post, sorry-- hey does Dupree have a pic?

want a know who i'm readin about! <g>

Oh yes, look in the Gallery thread.  There are casting photos of many of the characters there in the first post!

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.0
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 12, 2006, 08:44:45 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 12, 2006, 07:53:34 am

Unless you have experienced Wyoming, it's almost impossible to do it justice--the poverty-which-isn't-poverty because urban and eastern standards do not apply and never have; the wealth; the 'normal' standards of the vast majority; the actual poverty by WYOMING standards; the strangeness; the openness of the people and real friendliness; the Native American nations; the feeling of ' us rural cowboys against the rest who don't get it and the lawyer who wears my hat'; the abnormal normality, the normal abnormality--like Cheyenne, living  literally on TOP of 40% of the worlds nuclear bombs { i'm serious--got a friend who has some off the backyard. He's very proud of 'his' nuclear bomb silo roflmao, says he kept NY and Berlin alive: 'Come on, let me show you ma nuclear weapons ' roflmaooooo}

And no i don't live there. Yet.  I'm just another guy who is in love with the High Plains just to the north of me, and the people who inhabit them. Most of my state of  thinks Wyoming is waaay wierd. It is. But then so am i lol.

Hope I didn't bore the hell out of the entire thread...just wanted to add my 12 cents. <g>

Jack

Annie Proulx quoted a retired Wyoming rancher in the front of Close Range (which included the Brokeback Mountain story) who said: "Reality's never been much use out here."

Reading your first-hand account gives us some inkling about what he was talking about!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 12, 2006, 08:46:30 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 12, 2006, 08:25:02 am
.. hey does Dupree have a pic? want a know who i'm readin about! <g>

On the subject of Dupree  ;) , can I add a nominationd?

I keep thinking that Wentworth Miller from "Prison Break" will be PERFECT for Dupree.  He has the millitary, good-guy look, looks the right age, and is drop-dead gorgeous in a not too obvious way  ;)

He'll just have to beef- up a bit, and use brown contacts (as it is, he is almost too good-looking .. ;) )

p.s - sorry, don't know how to post a picture of him
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 08:52:52 am
anyone can put forth a candidate for a character, certainly. I am sure someone can come up with a pic of Wentworth Miller!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 09:02:09 am
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/June%20Alwayn/WM.jpg)


 ;D

I SO agree RonitR ~ he is just too gorgeous.....*sigh...*

Hope you like  ;D

I'll try and find a lovely close-up of his face! Noo trouble at all!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 12, 2006, 09:22:39 am
Er... yes,  I like.A lot. Thank you Bigheart !!

Of course, in "Prison Break" he looks serious (and a little sweaty) most of the time, which is SOOO right for Dupree (IMHO).

Damn, can you imagine the ratings of a TV series with him and Rupert E as the male co-leads?? We really need to talk Louise out of disliking writing for T.V 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 12, 2006, 09:28:53 am
Afternoon peeps, ello June. :-* ;)
So, what are the two sexiest men in the world getting up to today then Louise? I could do with something to warm me up.Its nice and bright over here but it,s cold. :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 09:30:51 am
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Straluma/June%20Alwayn/wentworthm.jpg)


 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 12, 2006, 09:32:07 am
I think this latest nomination for Dupree is good, but I have also think the one chosen before is good, too, particularly for the last few chapters when Dupree is all frustrated, confused and innocent regarding his sexual orientation.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 09:34:41 am
Quote from: souxi on November 12, 2006, 09:28:53 am
Afternoon peeps, ello June. :-* ;)
So, what are the two sexiest men in the world getting up to today then Louise? I could do with something to warm me up.Its nice and bright over here but it,s cold. :(

Afternoon Souxi  :-*

Yeah, I'm dying for an update too!

It's gloomy and stormy over here in Holland  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 10:08:42 am
ah, souxi, unfortunately, I am stuck in the twilight zone of our server/software installation, and have been since 8 a.m.  If we are lucky I get to go home in 3 hours... if unlucky, five.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 12, 2006, 10:21:27 am
But, but, but ,but, it,s Sunday!!  :o :oThey cant make you work on Sunday, thats criminal!!  >:( >:( Poor you. :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 10:24:20 am
haha. not quite criminal. I'm a consultant, remember?  Back when I did actual support instead of project consulting, I was actually ON-CALL and had to do things like get up in the middle of the night and page people and babysit problems until they were resolved.  Those were the days...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 10:27:31 am
That Wentworth Miller feller sure is easy on the eyes.

Looks a tad young (and short) but he's certainly cute!

Hello all - this is my first post on this thread (did the same thing on the tack shop thread earlier this mornin') - expanding my horizons

And besides - I'm tryin real hard to find reasons not to do my report cards <yuckk>
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 10:34:09 am
welcome, Sheriff!

Now that you are all caught up you can help us with the minutiae of tweaking our cast and finding people to play some of the less crucial roles in the Saga.  For example, do we have a Janice Anselm yet?  Leggy and blonde.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 10:42:46 am
Quote from: louisev on November 12, 2006, 10:34:09 am
welcome, Sheriff!

Now that you are all caught up you can help us with the minutiae of tweaking our cast and finding people to play some of the less crucial roles in the Saga.  For example, do we have a Janice Anselm yet?  Leggy and blonde.

Duhh louise

In case you haven't noticed (from the 5 guy threads I feed daily) - I'm gay!

What do I know of leggy blond women?

There ain't no 80/20% or even 95/05% gay/straight in this boy

Can't help you with castin' the women (though I do know who Kate Jackson is [seeing as she acted in that gay movie in the early 80's])
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 10:51:21 am
Hi Sheriff!  :)

Nice to see you here!


BTW Louise ~ where is Kelly?? Do you know? Haven't seen her around in ages
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 11:13:49 am
Well if you ever came to chat...

Kelly was here for several hours yesterday/last evening while she was multitasking with paperwork.  She is very busy doing her oncology clinics until December so she hasn't had much free time, but what she had yesterday she shared with us.

You should stop in and chat some time!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 11:44:35 am
Quote from: louisev on November 12, 2006, 11:13:49 am
Well if you ever came to chat...

Kelly was here for several hours yesterday/last evening while she was multitasking with paperwork.  She is very busy doing her oncology clinics until December so she hasn't had much free time, but what she had yesterday she shared with us.

You should stop in and chat some time!

I know I should Louise.....sorry  :(  What with RL, MSN, reading Slash and commenting! there's so little time to spare!! I do always love it on chat  :) But my connection is NEVER good, takes me forever to type a comment  ::)

I'm glad to hear Kelly is okay  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 12, 2006, 12:20:56 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 10:42:46 am
Duhh louise

In case you haven't noticed (from the 5 guy threads I feed daily) - I'm gay!  What do I know of leggy blond women?

Well, you might have a sister....     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 12, 2006, 01:28:55 pm
Heya Sheriff,

Nice to meet you  :).


Oh, and if we're trying to cast the women - how about a younger Gina Davies for the ADA ? I'm thinking of her in that movie with michael Keatton (sp?) Beatlegeuose (I have no idea how to spell all those names...  ).

She's tall, brunette, kinda has a duck-face but is still very cute...

If I get fired for not doing my job, I know who I'm going to blame.. :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 12, 2006, 02:00:14 pm
Hi Sheriff, welcome to the madhouse. :) :) I,ve seen some of the pics on your guys thread.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Is all I can say about them lol. So Louise, have you finished working yet? Me and June are getting withdrawal symptoms, arnt we June? ;) ;) ;D :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 02:11:02 pm
no no I am not done. I'm trapped here, trapped I tell you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 02:12:47 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 12, 2006, 02:00:14 pm
Hi Sheriff, welcome to the madhouse. :) :) I,ve seen some of the pics on your guys thread.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Is all I can say about them lol. So Louise, have you finished working yet? Me and June are getting withdrawal symptoms, arnt we June? ;) ;) ;D :-*

*rushes off to the guys thread, not knowing where that is though*

Yeah Souxi darlin, can't take much waiting anymore now  :(

SO leading lady ~ how's it going? Huh??   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 02:14:55 pm
much appreciated Roni oops, I meant Sue (for the comment about the guy pics)

And thanks for the welcome y'all.

So there's no new chapter yet today, and, I believe, louise's time is already past 7:00 pm - Don't look good!

(PS: what's havin' a sister [or three - as in my case] got ta do with knowin' anythin' about leggy blonds?)

(PPS: Jane - thought all you fanfic readers spent time on the various boy threads on Anything Goes!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 02:17:02 pm
I will try to generate a chapter tonight, despite the fact that I am now on HOUR ELEVEN! of this endless implementation wait!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 02:25:13 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 02:14:55 pm

(PS: what's havin' a sister [or three - as in my case] got ta do with knowin' anythin' about leggy blonds?)

(PPS: Jane - thought all you fanfic readers spent time on the various boy threads on Anything Goes!)

LOL! You're so funny!

Nah, not me; never been to the boy threads before!  ;D  Not too sure where I'll be spending time now though  ::)   :P
Thanks for letting me know  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 12, 2006, 02:26:55 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 02:25:13 pm
LOL! You're so funny!

Nah, not me; never been to the boy threads before!  ;D  Not too sure where I'll be spending time now though  ::)   :P
Thanks for letting me know  ;D

Here it is June, in all it,s gorgeous glory lol.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2713.0
I warn you, it,s HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 12, 2006, 02:29:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 12, 2006, 02:11:02 pm
no no I am not done. I'm trapped here, trapped I tell you!

Trapped!! :o But cant you escape? Just sneak out when no one is looking? Wer,e gasping here Louise, gasping I tell ya. Not that wer,e putting the pressure on or anything, are we June? ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 02:36:11 pm
things aren't exactly going well, as you might imagine.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 02:40:39 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 12, 2006, 02:26:55 pm
Here it is June, in all it,s gorgeous glory lol.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2713.0
I warn you, it,s HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Aw thanks Souxi  :-*  Now I really am rushing off!   ::)

Aw Louise, that sucks  :(

....for all of us  ;D 

 :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 12, 2006, 02:41:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 12, 2006, 02:36:11 pm
things aren't exactly going well, as you might imagine.

You,ll have to have a day off tomorow then Louise, to rest and erm, catch up on "things"..like our boys, wont she June? *pokes June in the ribs to make her say something* ;) ;) ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 02:43:35 pm
Methinks june's a bit busy right now

And BTW, why all the attention to the affection thread - there are 4 other boys pics threads in Anything Goes
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 02:45:18 pm
Roland.... er, Sheriff.... I don't think it is fair that you are taking those girls' attention off of Hugh.

So I will just correct that:

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 12, 2006, 02:46:59 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 02:43:35 pm
Methinks june's a bit busy right now

And BTW, why all the attention to the affection thread - there are 4 other boys pics threads in Anything Goes

I wasnt picking that particular thread out for special attention Roland I just saw it, liked it and thought I,d post the link for June to go have a look. I know there are 4 others.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 02:47:53 pm
Been checkin - there are three women checkin out the affection thread - yet I've just posted on the "Another Face" thread (of which I am durn proud!) - My latest thread

Edit: just realized - there are 5 other threads - I alternate postin on the two "Cowboy" threads

FYI they are:

the two cowboy threads:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=1679.0
and
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=892.0

Then there's the denim thread:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2279.0

The former "some nudity" thread (which I am currently treating as a "Firemen pics" thread)
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2186.0

And the all new "Another Pretty Face ... err ... Body ... err ... Face" thread
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=5793.0

Sorry to take up soo much of your space, louise - I felt that the girls had the right to know! (hehe)

Oops - almost forgot

The most popular "Affection - exclusively dedicated to male images " thread
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2713.0

Sheriff Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 12, 2006, 02:48:17 pm
Salut et Bienvenue Monsieur Roland!!  ;D

Great to see you here!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 12, 2006, 02:53:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 12, 2006, 02:11:02 pm
no no I am not done. I'm trapped here, trapped I tell you!
                                                                                                                                     AAAWWWWWWWWWWW       soo sorry louise,,,we will be patient, at least we arent having to work today,,,, :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 12, 2006, 03:00:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 12, 2006, 02:11:02 pm
no no I am not done. I'm trapped here, trapped I tell you!
                                                                                                                                                 here is a little bit of joy for you to have at work,,,its a guy i met in the chat room late last evening....his name here at bettermost is accoustic man,,,,but he sent his my space to listen to him on...so enjoy on your nasty work day on sunday....http://www.myspace.com/tulliodellaquila,,,,enjoy i sure did      and anyone else that wants to listen as well                                                                janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 03:14:31 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 02:47:53 pm
Been checkin - there are three women checkin out the affection thread - yet I've just posted on the "Another Face" thread (of which I am durn proud!) - My latest thread

Edit: just realized - there are 5 other threads - I alternate postin on the two "Cowboy" threads

FYI they are:

the two cowboy threads:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=1679.0
and
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=892.0

Then there's the denim thread:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2279.0

The former "some nudity" thread (which I am currently treating as a "Firemen pics" thread)
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2186.0

And the all new "Another Pretty Face ... err ... Body ... err ... Face" thread
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=5793.0

Sorry to take up soo much of your space, louise - I felt that the girls had the right to know! (hehe)

Oops - almost forgot

The most popular "Affection - exclusively dedicated to male images " thread
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2713.0

Sheriff Roland

Yep ~ I've just been checking  ;D  Hot as hell down there, just had to take a break from all that loveliness and share the link with my g-friends!! LOL  8)

I'll be sure to check out the other threads! Oh man, where the hell will I find the time for that  ::)

Oh and Louise ~ how the hell would I be able to forget the gorgeous HJ!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 12, 2006, 03:48:41 pm
Right I have kids to sort out so I,m off for the nite. C ya tomorow peeps. Nite all, nite June. ;) :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 04:10:57 pm
ok, NOW I am home, and NOW I can think about our boys in Laramie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 04:12:43 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 12, 2006, 03:48:41 pm
Right I have kids to sort out so I,m off for the nite. C ya tomorow peeps. Nite all, nite June. ;) :-*

Nite Souxi  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 12, 2006, 04:38:09 pm
Someone talked about W. Miller as being a potential Dupree!  Let me take that a step further ..

How about he makes a hot pairing WITH Dupree ..
Just to prove my point ..  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/9e8ab7ee.jpg)


I'm sorry but that is just too hot, my head is spinning!  :P
Umm, Louise .. could we have some hot guy move to Laramie and give dear ol' Jeeves a run for his money?   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 04:44:27 pm
how do I end up in these situations?

Milli - the answer is yes, IF you come up with a good name for him!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 04:48:44 pm
Oh Milli ~ you're brilliant! This is sooo perfect! HOT stuff Whew!! *fans self*

Really Louise?? Oh. My. God.

A good name huh? *puts thinking cap on*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 04:50:10 pm
and yes I am typity typing a new chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 12, 2006, 04:51:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 12, 2006, 04:44:27 pm
how do I end up in these situations?

Milli - the answer is yes, IF you come up with a good name for him!
                                    i personally cannot see that boy ever have a problem with either sex men or women. he is smokin and too good a catch, i cant see any woman dumpin him......so not dupree, but great for a tryout for dupree if it comes around....how about dusty for a name
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 12, 2006, 04:58:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 12, 2006, 04:44:27 pm
how do I end up in these situations?

Milli - the answer is yes, IF you come up with a good name for him!

Really?? ok ok..
June, let's think of names, quick...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 12, 2006, 05:07:11 pm
How about:


Nick Coleby ...(as in Nick and Jeremy are coming over for supper tonight ..  ;D .. Has a nice ring to it, huh?) lol
I am cool with another lastname too ..

Ok..back to the drawing board ..

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 05:18:38 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/148903.html  "Chapter 89:  Escape from the Dryout"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 12, 2006, 05:21:34 pm
'Lo all

Finaly had a chance to catch up on my LS reading after quite a hectic weekend (which topped off a frantic week). Good news is that we've found a place to buy and our offer has been accepted - yay! Just have to get all the legal work sorted now. Hemorrhaging money of course with all the fees we have to pay - oh well.

Anyway, back to Laramie!

SPOILER


I like ADA Samuelson. I know she's put everyone's noses out of joint down at the Sheriff's office, but I don't think that it's intentional. It's not easy being a woman operating in a man's world, and I guess she's still feeling unsettled after her move. I do think that she has been a bit rude in some of her dealings but people who are socially awkward can be like this.

Souxi  - I know that you dislike her. You pulled no punches in your comments - some of which were priceless  :laugh: - but I'm hoping that she's going to redeem herself. As for her and Dupree, well you know that the tension between them could be chanelled in directions other than hostility.  ;)

She might be a right wildcat when she lets her hair down - Dupree might get a shock.

I've never watched Prison Break, but that chap from it is rather dishy!

Louise, I feel for you, I've worked on installations where it felt that nothing was going right. Hope you're not too shattered.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 12, 2006, 05:38:43 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 12, 2006, 05:21:34 pm


SPOILER


I like ADA Samuelson. I know she's put everyone's noses out of joint down at the Sheriff's office, but I don't think that it's intentional. It's not easy being a woman operating in a man's world, and I guess she's still feeling unsettled after her move. I do think that she has been a bit rude in some of her dealings but people who are socially awkward can be like this.

Souxi  - I know that you dislike her. You pulled no punches in your comments - some of which were priceless  :laugh: - but I'm hoping that she's going to redeem herself. As for her and Dupree, well you know that the tension between them could be chanelled in directions other than hostility.  ;)
Karen

I agree with your comments on the ADA!  And souxi's comments usually crack me up too!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 06:21:42 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 12, 2006, 05:07:11 pm
How about:


Nick Coleby ...(as in Nick and Jeremy are coming over for supper tonight ..  ;D .. Has a nice ring to it, huh?) lol
I am cool with another lastname too ..

Ok..back to the drawing board ..



Sorry I haven't been very helpful Milli, RL and all

I really like that name ~ strong and to the point. I've always liked Nick  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 06:39:59 pm
Names a guys hun?

Well this past Tuesday I met my first ever "Chas" - all 6 foot six a him. His boyfriend "Damien" the taller of the two, at 6 foot twelve (yup, that's 7 feet tall) joined our pool team. (Kids these days are da*n tall!)

Any hoot, another one syllable name that might find approval is "Shane". Of course, the simple names, "Joe" or "Jim" certainly flow well with Jeremy's name.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 06:46:32 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 12, 2006, 06:39:59 pm
Names a guys hun?

Well this past Tuesday I met my first ever "Chas" - all 6 foot six a him. His boyfriend "Damien" the taller of the two, at 6 foot twelve (yup, that's 7 feet tall) joined our pool team. (Kids these days are da*n tall!)

Any hoot, another one syllable name that might find approval is "Shane". Of course, the simple names, "Joe" or "Jim" certainly flow well with Jeremy's name.

Yep ~ I love Shane too.

Heh heh ~ we've already got a Joe......and what a Joe! Aw, he's a sweetheart  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 12, 2006, 07:24:18 pm
Oooo... I like the name Shane too!

Is there going to be a Shane?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 12, 2006, 07:40:56 pm
Shane .. me like!  ;)

( I am a fan of The L Word and there is a Shane on there who is one of my fave characters! )
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 07:46:45 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 12, 2006, 07:40:56 pm
Shane .. me like!  ;)

( I am a fan of The L Word and there is a Shane on there who is one of my fave characters! )

Oh God Milli!! Me too! She is gorgeous! I heart her.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 12, 2006, 08:10:49 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 07:46:45 pm
Oh God Milli!! Me too! She is gorgeous! I heart her.

Yap, she is gorgeous!

June, there is an L-Word thread in the Anything Goes board right now!
I thought only me and Katie were diehard fans..but here you are!  Check out the thread when you get a chance!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 08:18:54 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 12, 2006, 08:10:49 pm
Yap, she is gorgeous!

June, there is an L-Word thread in the Anything Goes board right now!
I thought only me and Katie were diehard fans..but here you are!  Check out the thread when you get a chance!  ;)

Oh, I will Milli! Thanks! I'd never checked out the Anything Goes board till Sheriff Roland mentioned the guys threads!!

And I know Littleguitar (Mandy) is a fan too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 12, 2006, 08:22:28 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 09:34:41 am
Afternoon Souxi  :-*

Yeah, I'm dying for an update too!

It's gloomy and stormy over here in Holland  :(

June ever looked at the sky in paintings by Dutch masters - gloomy and stormy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 08:29:24 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 12, 2006, 08:22:28 pm
June ever looked at the sky in paintings by Dutch masters - gloomy and stormy!

Oh ~ how lovely of you to mention that Jo, so true! So depressing, lol Although it can be really beautiful too  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 12, 2006, 08:48:33 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 06:46:32 pm
Yep ~ I love Shane too.

Heh heh ~ we've already got a Joe......and what a Joe! Aw, he's a sweetheart  :D

Shane was the title of a classic Western flick

see http://www.filmsite.org/shan.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 12, 2006, 09:01:15 pm
OK – a temporary diversion from Dupree! Came across the following on an internet site for bereaved people which has some relevance to LS.

Learning to Love Again

When we fall in love we believe it will be forever…..well, it is! Even if you lose that person, you never lose the love in the very soul of you. Love is eternal, love is a wonderful gift of life.

The greatest gift is finding the ability to love again. It is something that we tend to feel guilty about, as though we must only ever love one person. In life, we love more than one person - our family, our lover, our parents, our friends. They may be different kinds of loving but you do love more than one person. When you have a second child it does not mean that you stop loving your first born…..you may have different feelings but you have the capacity to love without guilt.

As a widow you have had a gift…. a gift of knowing how special it is to love someone. To love is a gift we should not shut down, loving someone new will be different and importantly it will never take away the love you had….you should not feel guilt but a sense of wonder at the opportunity that life has given you a second chance to share love in the world.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 12, 2006, 11:08:05 pm
Jo, that is lovely!  Cheers!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 13, 2006, 03:54:05 am
Hey, I sign off for the night, and there are 3 pages full of goodies for me to read in the morning...

Don't know how I'm expected to get any work done ....

Louise - sounds like you had a day from hell at work yesterday....hope you got some time to wind down after... Geez I hate those days (had a lot of them in my time).

Also - I feel SOOO guilty - I nominated W. Miller for Dupree, and now he's going to come over, steal Dupree and break Jeeves's heart ??! I'm just shattered.
Louise - if Jeeves is going to have his heart broken,  can he at least find someone else to love ?  Poor guy!!. (Still rooting for some Jeeves/Dupree goodness though)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 13, 2006, 05:26:38 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 12, 2006, 05:38:43 pm
I agree with your comments on the ADA!  And souxi's comments usually crack me up too!  ;D

Coooeeeeee...mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-* Why thank you for your kind words re my comments on LJ peeps lol. ;D That bloody woman gets right on my tits she does, as you no doubt guessed lol. ;D Snnoty old witch she is. Anyway, how are we all today? Louise I hope you dont have too much work to do today.All this work keeping you from the important things in life...our boys. Bless em. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 13, 2006, 05:28:57 am
Louise, are you coming to the Colorado & Wyoming 2007 BBM BBQ? It's all 3 Forums.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 13, 2006, 05:36:29 am
Jack, at this point I do not know where in the world I will be, so I am not making any plans to do any visiting or any trips.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 13, 2006, 05:53:03 am
Well, I hope that as the time nears the schedule gets more settled and you will be able to go. I'm one of the planners. BELIEVE that there will be a place for you!!!! :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 13, 2006, 06:19:22 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 13, 2006, 05:28:57 am
Louise, are you coming to the Colorado & Wyoming 2007 BBM BBQ? It's all 3 Forums.

Hi brokebackjack, I just saw your post about the BBM BBQ - I wouldnt be able to come (sadly!), but just wondered what forums you meant?   I assume you are talking about Bettermost, DC but what is the other one?  I am a member of ennisjack.com so just wondered if it was that one?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 13, 2006, 06:34:20 am
Quote from: souxi on November 13, 2006, 05:26:38 am
Louise I hope you dont have too much work to do today.All this work keeping you from the important things in life...our boys. Bless em. :) :)


Ah, you hope in vain, Souxi.  However, the implementation/installation nightmare seems to be behind us and I am slogging through writing a development document which, now that I am actually forced to do it, isn't proving as onerous as I originally thought.  The hard part (understanding the tangled piece of spaghetti that was the Design Document and sending it back for revision) is over.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 13, 2006, 06:37:37 am
Quote from: souxi on November 13, 2006, 05:26:38 am
Coooeeeeee...mornin all, mornin June. ;) :-* Why thank you for your kind words re my comments on LJ peeps lol. ;D That bloody woman gets right on my tits she does, as you no doubt guessed lol. ;D Snnoty old witch she is. Anyway, how are we all today? Louise I hope you dont have too much work to do today.All this work keeping you from the important things in life...our boys. Bless em. :) :)

Morning everyone, been catching up on the thread and realised that I had somehow missed the chapter "A case of details".   :-\  Dont know how I managed that!  Anyhow, loved your comments Souxi and got to say, I completely agree. Where does she get off correcting Dupree's grammar?  Good on him though for giving as good as he got.  And good on Ellery for not taking any of her crap either.  

I know its a bit late, but that was a great chapter Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 13, 2006, 06:46:06 am
Quote from: christie wood on November 13, 2006, 06:19:22 am
Hi brokebackjack, I just saw your post about the BBM BBQ - I wouldnt be able to come (sadly!), but just wondered what forums you meant?   I assume you are talking about Bettermost, DC but what is the other one?  I am a member of ennisjack.com so just wondered if it was that one?

YES. As in YES.
 All 3 Forums will be represented, and there was a lot of interest shown at ennis-jack. the planning group is DC. BM, and E-J crossovers. I was pretty much DC until meeting frontranger adrian and ptannen up in Casper, Wyo; now I'm at all 3 lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 13, 2006, 07:56:43 am
I just read chapter 38 of A Second Chance and literally fell off of my computer chair L. O. L.  when that ass of an A.D.A. said Ellery came into court with a hickey on his neck.

ROFLMAOOOOOO that's hysterical
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 08:01:00 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 13, 2006, 07:56:43 am
I just read chapter 38 of A Second Chance and literally fell off of my computer chair L. O. L.  when that ass of an A.D.A. said Ellery came into court with a hickey on his neck.

ROFLMAOOOOOO that's hysterical

Love bites, weren't they? Didn't he call them love bites?

I may need to go back and re-read too!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 13, 2006, 08:08:31 am
RE:  Photo of Dupree.

    I still like the original photo of Dupree we found.  Especially the one of him in his Army fatigues.

   But if y'all are doing a casting call, then who am I to question it.      So I have been lining up young men for the roll.    It is a long and hard job, but someone needs to do it!    :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 08:11:58 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 13, 2006, 08:08:31 am
RE:  Photo of Dupree.

    I still like the original photo of Dupree we found.  Especially the one of him in his Army fatigues.

   But if y'all are doing a casting call, then who am I to question it.      So I have been lining up young men for the roll.    It is a long and hard job, but someone needs to do it!    :laugh:

Glad you are up to the task, David.

I agree, I like the original Dupree. But there is always a need for more Red Stallion regulars. Personally, I like the guy on the left. That's my kind of man!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 13, 2006, 08:23:54 am
Too bad forum rules prevent me from posting the rest of the pics from that photoshoot!    <very big grin>    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 09:00:16 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 13, 2006, 08:23:54 am
Too bad forum rules prevent me from posting the rest of the pics from that photoshoot!    <very big grin>    ;D


Rules, schmules...go on, post 'em.

Oh wait, we're moderators, aren't we? Dang.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 13, 2006, 09:20:11 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 13, 2006, 08:23:54 am
Too bad forum rules prevent me from posting the rest of the pics from that photoshoot!    <very big grin>    ;D

Oh go on David, we wont tell. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 13, 2006, 12:27:39 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 13, 2006, 09:20:11 am
Oh go on David, we wont tell. ;) ;) ;) ;D

NO! YOU sure wouldn't Souxi dear, would ya??  :P

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 13, 2006, 12:44:21 pm
Hiya everyone!

So Louise, where were we on the Dupree and "W. Miller"-sexy-character-yet-to-be-added-to-give-Jeeves-some-competition subplot?  ;D  Did any of the names appeal to ya? 

*fingers crossed*..


Edit to add:

note: I am re-posting this just for the fun of it, not to further some agenda to get Dupree a hot, sexy boyfriend like this here hunk.  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/9e8ab7ee.jpg)


(I love Jeeves by the way, but a little competition makes for excellent human drama!  ;D)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 13, 2006, 01:10:58 pm
I do like the name Nick...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 01:15:43 pm
We just hit 60,000 views on this thread! Whoo-wee! as Ellery would say...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 13, 2006, 01:17:22 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 13, 2006, 01:10:58 pm
I do like the name Nick...

Woohoo..!!

And happy 60000+ views E&E-ers!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 13, 2006, 01:25:10 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 13, 2006, 12:44:21 pm

(I love Jeeves by the way, but a little competition makes for excellent human drama!  ;D)

Yep!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 13, 2006, 01:30:20 pm
Evenin peeps. evenin June. ;) :-* So what are our boys geting up to this evening then? Have you escaped from work yet Louise? They cant keep making you work when you have important things like our boys to take care of...unless of course you,d like me and June to look after them for you? We,d be only toooo happy to, wouldnt we June? ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 13, 2006, 01:34:04 pm
I am home, and have just finished eating and returned to my prison er pc.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 13, 2006, 01:44:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 13, 2006, 01:34:04 pm
I am home, and have just finished eating and returned to my prison er pc.


ooow louise, that doesn't sound too good.
maybe these can cheer you up:


a rose called 'dear louise'
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/lievelouise.jpg)

or these might help:  :)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/NEUH0041.jpg)???

Or maybe someone can post some gorgeous Hugh picture?? Anyone??


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 01:53:58 pm
In real life (believe it or not, I do have a real life!) I am the third author on a medical/surgical nursing text that is due to be published next month. Each author got to dedicate the book to someone special. Since Jack and Ennis have been my constant companions for close to a year, and Ellery since May, I figure they deserved the honor. I just got the page proof for the front matter and here it is....pretty nice, huh?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/dedication.jpg)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 13, 2006, 01:57:31 pm
How utterly lovely Leslie, I'm touched  :)


Love your pics too, Fabienne  :) And I believe Milli and Leslie have the gorgeous Ellery pics!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 13, 2006, 01:59:32 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 13, 2006, 01:30:20 pm
Evenin peeps. evenin June. ;) :-* So what are our boys geting up to this evening then? Have you escaped from work yet Louise? They cant keep making you work when you have important things like our boys to take care of...unless of course you,d like me and June to look after them for you? We,d be only toooo happy to, wouldnt we June? ;) ;) ;D

Nooooo problem whatsoever Souxi!! heh heh  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 13, 2006, 02:08:17 pm
How about this one of both our boys? ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 13, 2006, 02:09:44 pm
ooh, that's lovely Leslie! How fitting  :)

did you explain to your co-authors who you dedicated your work to? Or is that something for the in crowd?  ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 13, 2006, 02:12:58 pm
But...why is Ennis wearing his hat in the bath?

Leslie...that is the geekiest thing I have ever seen.  I kind of love it.  Then again, I'm going to include Dan Savage in the Special Thanks section on my book, so I can't exactly throw stones.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 02:18:33 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 13, 2006, 02:09:44 pm
ooh, that's lovely Leslie! How fitting  :)

did you explain to your co-authors who you dedicated your work to? Or is that something for the in crowd?  ;D



It is only for the in crowd. I actually asked Rick (the first author) if he had seen Brokeback Mountain and he said, "Oh no, I could never see that, I am too much of a redneck." I was horrified! I have never met him in person, only talked to him on the phone and he seems like a really nice guy, so I was shocked at this comment. I decided that it would be best to keep it a secret that his third author, in her spare time, writes slash. LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 02:22:26 pm
Quote from: MadLori on November 13, 2006, 02:12:58 pm
But...why is Ennis wearing his hat in the bath?

Leslie...that is the geekiest thing I have ever seen.  I kind of love it.  Then again, I'm going to include Dan Savage in the Special Thanks section on my book, so I can't exactly throw stones.

Geeky is dedicating it to your wife/husband, children, and commenting on how much the Lord rules your life (or whatever). Don't these people have any imagination? Dedicating it to Ellery, Ennis, and Jack is cool. LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 13, 2006, 02:26:44 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 02:18:33 pm
It is only for the in crowd. I actually asked Rick (the first author) if he had seen Brokeback Mountain and he said, "Oh no, I could never see that, I am too much of a redneck." I was horrified! I have never met him in person, only talked to him on the phone and he seems like a really nice guy, so I was shocked at this comment. I decided that it would be best to keep it a secret that his third author, in her spare time, writes slash. LOL

Leslie

Speaking of slash Leslie, is "that" aniversary coming up soon? You know the one I mean lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 13, 2006, 02:30:53 pm
Leslie that is a KOOL dedication!  ;)  And we definitely like it that you write slash in your spare time!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 13, 2006, 02:32:36 pm
Quote from: MadLori on November 13, 2006, 02:12:58 pm
But...why is Ennis wearing his hat in the bath?


Duh .. Because he feels naked without it ?!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 13, 2006, 02:35:48 pm
Leslie -

If I may voice an opinion - your dedication is absolutely beautiful.

These boys touched our lives and enriched it in ways that many flesh and blood people could never do.

You go girl!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 13, 2006, 02:38:31 pm
Okay E & E fan(atic)s....

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/149143.html  "Chapter 90:  Dear Ennis"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 13, 2006, 02:38:41 pm
Ennis and his hat...in the bath ..AGAIN ..  :P..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/f1ad9173.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 13, 2006, 02:45:50 pm
Awsome picture!    even with the hat on!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 13, 2006, 02:48:58 pm
SPOILER



Nice chapter -

Loved Ellery's insight about Ennis seeing his own struggle in Dupree's.
Loved Ennis's insight about the ADA's attraction to Ellery.
Those two really know each other well (including each-other's "blind spots").
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 02:49:24 pm
Quote from: RonitR on November 13, 2006, 02:35:48 pm
Leslie -

If I may voice an opinion - your dedication is absolutely beautiful.

These boys touched our lives and enriched it in ways that many flesh and blood people could never do.

You go girl!!

Thank you, Ron!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 02:54:27 pm
What a milestone....Chapter 90 of the sixth book of a story we can't get enough of. To you, Louise:


(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1464/louisenote2wm1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 13, 2006, 03:07:14 pm
EEEK!!!!

I was so excited, I posted it on my LJ!

Thank you everyone!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/149489.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 13, 2006, 03:13:37 pm
No Louise, thank you!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 13, 2006, 03:18:56 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 13, 2006, 03:13:37 pm
No Louise, thank you!  ;)

That's right. Thank YOU, Louise.  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 13, 2006, 03:22:14 pm
you are all very welcome, then.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 13, 2006, 03:22:47 pm
Yes, thank you Louise. We all thank you as you can see. You,ve given Ennis back his life and a reason to get up in the morning.You,ve given us so much joy, laughter and angst, and we,ve loved every gripping minute of it. If any story deserves, no NEEDS to get on the big screen this is it. We can only pray that someone, somewhere will do this story the honour it so richly deserves. Thank you Louise. Bless you. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 13, 2006, 04:32:52 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 13, 2006, 03:22:47 pm
Yes, thank you Louise. We all thank you as you can see. You,ve given Ennis back his life and a reason to get up in the morning.You,ve given us so much joy, laughter and angst, and we,ve loved every gripping minute of it. If any story deserves, no NEEDS to get on the big screen this is it. We can only pray that someone, somewhere will do this story the honour it so richly deserves. Thank you Louise. Bless you. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

I'll second this  :)

THANK YOU Louise!! SO much  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 13, 2006, 04:46:35 pm
Muchas Gracias  Louisev!

     I never thought I'd be captivated by a story like I was BBM, but the Laramie Sagas have indeed captured my heart.    Better yet, they patched my heart, as BBM broke it.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 13, 2006, 05:15:09 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 13, 2006, 04:46:35 pm
Muchas Gracias  Louisev!

     I never thought I'd be captivated by a story like I was BBM, but the Laramie Sagas have indeed captured my heart.    Better yet, they patched my heart, as BBM broke it.   

I second those sentiments David!  Couldn't have expressed it better! Thank you Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 13, 2006, 05:43:57 pm
Ah OUI, un grand merci de Toronto aussi, louise.

It's been a very entertaining summer/fall, grâce à vous!

merci encore

Sheriff Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 13, 2006, 05:46:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 13, 2006, 03:07:14 pm
EEEK!!!!

I was so excited, I posted it on my LJ!

Thank you everyone!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/149489.html

Thank you Louise for this amazing story.  I am so glad that took the time to give this story a chance, I havent regretted it for a second, and only wish that it didnt have to end.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 13, 2006, 05:56:39 pm
Thank You Louise!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 13, 2006, 06:01:44 pm
Just chipping in with my thank you too Louise.

You've given us all a reason to check in each day, there's always something to discuss, and aren't all these characters so real to us all now?

Karend
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 14, 2006, 01:23:43 am
Louise, my heartfelt thank you for such a wonderful story and to give Ennis a life after Jack's death. 

I'm in the course of reading The Erotic Etudes, it's amazing to see how totally different the style of writing between LS and this book.  Hard to imagine it's written by the same person.  I'll check the background story of Robert Schumann to understand the story better.  Sorry, guys, I know its off-topic.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 14, 2006, 02:43:24 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 13, 2006, 04:46:35 pm
Muchas Gracias  Louisev!

I never thought I'd be captivated by a story like I was BBM, but the Laramie Sagas have indeed captured my heart.    Better yet, they patched my heart, as BBM broke it.  

beautifully said David. I agree wholeheartedly.

dank u Louise  :)


Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 14, 2006, 03:07:18 am
Just wanted to chime in with the others -

You've created a whole world, filled with people with love, know and care about - no small feat !!
These are not just fictional characters to us - these are real people, which we care deeply about (well, maybe not about Bunny, but you know what I mean... ;) )

It's been a wonderfull ride - one which we will not forget.

Thank you
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 14, 2006, 05:31:46 am
Quote from: souxi on November 13, 2006, 03:22:47 pm
You,ve given Ennis back his life

Thank you Louise. Bless you. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Hey Souxi - you've said it all!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 14, 2006, 05:49:26 am
What will happen to this thread when The Laramie Saga is done??! *sobs* I'll miss it so much *sobs even harder* Or will we continue here with the book on Jeremy?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 14, 2006, 05:54:29 am
well I think we should probably continue on here with any of the stories I write that are Laramie related, since they are "officially" part of the Saga itself.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 14, 2006, 05:56:09 am
Quote from: yb on November 14, 2006, 01:23:43 am
Louise, my heartfelt thank you for such a wonderful story and to give Ennis a life after Jack's death. 

I'm in the course of reading The Erotic Etudes, it's amazing to see how totally different the style of writing between LS and this book.  Hard to imagine it's written by the same person.  I'll check the background story of Robert Schumann to understand the story better.  Sorry, guys, I know its off-topic.


Our goal for the Fiction section of this board is to branch out into original stories, and if there is a desire and a readership, I would gladly open discussion on any of my original works here, since they are at least in part thematically related.  Certainly "The Erotic Etudes" and "Death of a Mad Composer" and "Alexandrus" contain main characters and issues regarding bisexuality.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 14, 2006, 07:34:37 am
< turns ear towards the computer listening for the sound of LouiseV typing >    ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 14, 2006, 09:12:02 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 13, 2006, 01:53:58 pm
In real life (believe it or not, I do have a real life!) I am the third author on a medical/surgical nursing text that is due to be published next month. Each author got to dedicate the book to someone special. Since Jack and Ennis have been my constant companions for close to a year, and Ellery since May, I figure they deserved the honor. I just got the page proof for the front matter and here it is....pretty nice, huh?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/dedication.jpg)


Leslie

Going back a bit to this post, Leslie, this is incredibly sweet that you dedicate the book to them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 14, 2006, 12:11:04 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 14, 2006, 05:49:26 am
What will happen to this thread when The Laramie Saga is done??! *sobs* I'll miss it so much *sobs even harder* Or will we continue here with the book on Jeremy?

LS done? shhhhhhhhhh dont say that, maybe Louise will forget and carry on. ;) ;) ;) So how are we all today peeps? I,ts a right miserable rainy day today over here. :'( :'( Some nice Ennis and Ellery would warm me up VERY nicely.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 14, 2006, 12:25:44 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 14, 2006, 12:11:04 pm
LS done? shhhhhhhhhh dont say that, maybe Louise will forget and carry on. ;) ;) ;) So how are we all today peeps? I,ts a right miserable rainy day today over here. :'( :'( Some nice Ennis and Ellery would warm me up VERY nicely.  ;) ;)

Yeah ~ wishful thinking Souxi!

Miserable, cold and rainy here too  :(

Sure would warm me up too!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 14, 2006, 12:30:00 pm
Dupree tries a new look at the Bar.   This should turn a few heads!

(http://www.ginchgonch.com/web/Ginch~Gonch/Ginch~Gonch~Site/assets/Main~site~images/JOCKSTRAPS/Matt-bullrider-jock.jpg)

For more tastee pictures like this, go to

www.ginchgonch.com (http://www.ginchgonch.com)

They have hot undies for Cowboys and Cowgirls!   YEE HAA!

(http://www.ginchgonch.com/web/Ginch~Gonch/Ginch~Gonch~Site/web/assets/Main~site~images/newsletter/oct27newsletter/Stuckinithomer.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 14, 2006, 12:36:52 pm
David, hun, no offence but that pic does nothing for me atall. Sorry.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 14, 2006, 12:46:44 pm
Loved the undies David! Meanwhile until the next exciting instalment from Louise here's another poem. Sorry if it's serious but that's the mood I'm in - despite a couple of glasses of wine!! :( :(

Travelling

Ennis leaves the trailer
moving on, travelling
Jack is twice lost
Turning to bitter iron
grief and longing
Wailing round his grave
a battering rage, boxed in

The fading image
over and over recited
The same love
The same
The same
Never allowed past the fence
of memory

An old cold time
over and over recited
The same love
The same
The same
Death defied at the boundary
of knowing

Beyond Jack
a void
Better by far
to hold on
Denying the cold
the shuddering shirts
an absence
Keeping the known world
together

And if not the flesh then the
memory
Anything
But not this
changing, passing on
this travelling………..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 14, 2006, 12:50:23 pm
The ever talented Jo! 
Great work as always!  :-*


Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 14, 2006, 07:34:37 am
< turns ear towards the computer listening for the sound of LouiseV typing >    ::)

Joins David in listening ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 14, 2006, 12:55:14 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 14, 2006, 12:30:00 pm
Dupree tries a new look at the Bar.   This should turn a few heads!

(http://www.ginchgonch.com/web/Ginch~Gonch/Ginch~Gonch~Site/assets/Main~site~images/JOCKSTRAPS/Matt-bullrider-jock.jpg)

For more tastee pictures like this, go to

www.ginchgonch.com (http://www.ginchgonch.com)

They have hot undies for Cowboys and Cowgirls!   YEE HAA!


I think this one is quite hot.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on November 14, 2006, 01:19:46 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 14, 2006, 12:30:00 pm
Dupree tries a new look at the Bar.   This should turn a few heads!

(http://www.ginchgonch.com/web/Ginch~Gonch/Ginch~Gonch~Site/assets/Main~site~images/JOCKSTRAPS/Matt-bullrider-jock.jpg)


Just a bit of western cultural trivia for y'all:

This guy's cup is burnt orange, the color of the University of Texas at Austin, and the longhorn is the University's mascot.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 14, 2006, 01:24:13 pm

yb saw my avatar on LJ and asked if I could post the bigger version of the pic .. :)
I posted it before on the JJJ/HHH thread I think, but here it is..
For yb and anyone else who cares to see it ...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Dbls/9d8a1465.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 14, 2006, 01:24:26 pm
Welcome back pastorfred. Where have you been all this time?

PS Milli that picture is beyond words..........
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on November 14, 2006, 02:22:20 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 14, 2006, 01:24:26 pm
Welcome back pastorfred. Where have you been all this time?


in chat, mostly, and involved with (good) real life stuff  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 14, 2006, 02:31:02 pm
Hi Fred! Nice to see you  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 14, 2006, 02:41:28 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/149614.html  "Chapter 91: Avoidance"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 14, 2006, 02:58:31 pm
woohoo..for a new chapter!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 14, 2006, 03:18:03 pm
Thanks Louisev!!

   I was going into Dupree withdrawal!   LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 14, 2006, 03:41:48 pm
and getting eyeballed by Nate the Radiator Man was just what Dupree needed, I'll bet!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 14, 2006, 04:42:30 pm
Spoliers ...





What tickles Dupree's fancy?

Could the greasy, covered-in-soot-and-gasoline Nate the Repairman do it for our detective?

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/naat.jpg)


Or does he prefer a nice Mamacita who can make him tortillas fresh and warm everyday? lol..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/4ddb7fdf.gif)


We better stay tuned to find out!   ;D

Oh and .. there are only like 9 chapters left??!!  :o :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 14, 2006, 04:52:25 pm
Great as always Milli!  ;D

Do you think he'd settle for the Mamacita?? LOL  ;D

Oh God, I hadn't realised it was only 9 left  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 14, 2006, 04:53:27 pm
Won't Dupree have an excuse to come back once he's written up Nate's witness statement and needs to get him to verify it? If Dupree tells Nate that he works nights at the Red Stallion, what are the chances that Nate might come in to visit him at his work? And maybe meet Jeeves as well? All kinds of plot developments are possible!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 14, 2006, 05:39:07 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 14, 2006, 04:52:25 pm
Great as always Milli!  ;D

Do you think he'd settle for the Mamacita?? LOL  ;D

June ~ The mamacita is great, but I am waiting for "Nick" .. remember him?  Well, he doesn't exist yet, but he will, he will .. ask Louise..  8)

Btw June, check out my avatar ..  ;D ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 14, 2006, 05:41:01 pm
guys, gals, fan(atic)s:

I didn't say the book is 100 chapters long.  I said the book would not END in less than 100 chapters.  It is going to go over.  By how much, I don' t know... because I just came up with the ending.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 14, 2006, 05:57:13 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 14, 2006, 04:53:27 pm
Won't Dupree have an excuse to come back once he's written up Nate's witness statement and needs to get him to verify it? If Dupree tells Nate that he works nights at the Red Stallion, what are the chances that Nate might come in to visit him at his work? And maybe meet Jeeves as well? All kinds of plot developments are possible!

I was thinking about Nate going to the Red Stallion, he's not been in there before has he?  Now that would be interesting...I wonder if Ennis would recognise him, if he decides to clean up, that is!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 14, 2006, 05:58:39 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 14, 2006, 05:41:01 pm
guys, gals, fan(atic)s:

I didn't say the book is 100 chapters long.  I said the book would not END in less than 100 chapters.  It is going to go over.  By how much, I don' t know... because I just came up with the ending.



You know how we get Louise with even the slightest mention of the ending of this fic....and then you go and mention the ending as well! lol 

   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 14, 2006, 06:29:28 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 14, 2006, 05:41:01 pm
guys, gals, fan(atic)s:

I didn't say the book is 100 chapters long.  I said the book would not END in less than 100 chapters.  It is going to go over.  By how much, I don' t know... because I just came up with the ending.

Ok..phew!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 14, 2006, 06:49:23 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 14, 2006, 05:39:07 pm
June ~ The mamacita is great, but I am waiting for "Nick" .. remember him?  Well, he doesn't exist yet, but he will, he will .. ask Louise..  8)

Btw June, check out my avatar ..  ;D ..

How can I forget Nick, Milli?!?  :P

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, she's heavenly......sigh. You should check out Minchout's (on LJ) Shane avatar. It's really pretty. She's Littleguitar here on BM.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 14, 2006, 06:55:31 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 14, 2006, 06:29:28 pm
Ok..phew!  8)

Yeah!!

SQUEEEEEE!!]

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 14, 2006, 06:59:59 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 14, 2006, 05:41:01 pm

because I just came up with the ending.


Ending?    How can there be an ending?   With a cast like this there is no end to their escapades!   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 14, 2006, 07:01:51 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 14, 2006, 04:42:30 pm

What tickles Dupree's fancy?

Could the greasy, covered-in-soot-and-gasoline Nate the Repairman do it for our detective?

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/naat.jpg)



A little Lava soap and I bet this boy cleans up just fine....he has my vote!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 14, 2006, 07:18:30 pm
I just realized that stats chick hasn't checked in in awhile...a long while.

This thread is number 3 in replies with 6750. Top of the list is Jess's Feed Shop (11607) and next, the ABC's game (8557). We've been in this position for awhile and I don't see any immediate change.

What is more interesting is the number of views: ABC's is #1, with 65236, but this thread is very close behind (right on the heels, actually) with 60535. The next closest is The Performance with 34894. That is more than 25000 views LESS. What this tells me is that we have tons of people who read this thread, but don't post...sort of like the Saga. Louise and I have estimated that for every 1 reader who comments, there are 10 to 15 who read without saying anything. The views on this thread would seem to bear that out.

And if we all start viewing and refreshing furiously, we mght just pass the ABC's game...

As Sheriff Roland notes in another thread, this board (FanFic) is the fourth most popular board at Bettermost right now. As Ellery would say, Whoo-wee!

Leslie
Stats Chick
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 14, 2006, 07:46:34 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 14, 2006, 07:18:30 pm
Louise and I have estimated that for every 1 reader who comments, there are 10 to 15 who read without saying anything. The views on this thread would seem to bear that out.

Leslie
Stats Chick

Attention all lurkers

If you would like your name added to the plaque that Lucise is preparing

1. please PM me as soon as possible

or

2. leave a message here: http://louisev.livejournal.com/149489.html

and your name will be added.

Jo
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 15, 2006, 03:12:48 am
Hey Guys,

Just been to Brokebackslash, and there's a fic featuring Ennis, Ellery and Jack NOT written (I think) by Lousie ???? set after the end of the LS ...

Um..anyone know what that is about ?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 03:37:17 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 15, 2006, 03:12:48 am
Hey Guys,

Just been to Brokebackslash, and there's a fic featuring Ennis, Ellery and Jack NOT written (I think) by Lousie ???? set after the end of the LS ...

Um..anyone know what that is about ?

All I know is that it's most definitely NOT written by Louise!! And Ellery dies in it..... :(  :(  :(   >:(

And I'm wondering if all of this is allowed?  ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 15, 2006, 03:43:31 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 15, 2006, 03:12:48 am
Hey Guys,

Just been to Brokebackslash, and there's a fic featuring Ennis, Ellery and Jack NOT written (I think) by Lousie ???? set after the end of the LS ...

Um..anyone know what that is about ?

Incredible but not unpredictable given the history of the person who write this is all I can say about this. 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 15, 2006, 03:55:48 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 03:37:17 am
All I know is that it's most definitely NOT written by Louise!! And Ellery dies in it..... :(  :(  :(   >:(

And I'm wondering if all of this is allowed?  ???

Ellery DIES??? now, that's just ridiculous...

I remember back when, when a fan of Somebody New posted a fic in that universe while the story was still being written. It was meant as a tribute, and was really quite well written, but Jena asked the author, and it was taken down.

I'm sure this new fic is also written as a tribute to the LS (hey, a lot of us make-up stories in our head about it LOL ), but maybe its' author should have contacted Louise and asked for her permission beforehand. Or maybe he did and we just don't know about it...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 04:20:05 am
I don't give a rat's piss (forgive my french .. ;D ) for a story in which Ellery dies!
I mean come on, Jack is dead, now Ellery?  Come on, what did Ennis ever do to all these haters?  Let the man have some love, ok?


In THIS story, ENNIS and ELLERY LIVE!!

Take that and chew on it!  8)

Now I gotta go to bed.  Night night folks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 04:32:35 am
Come on, what did Ennis ever do to all these haters?  Let the man have some love, ok?


Yeah Milli, that's what makes me so sad  :(  I just don't get it.

Nite!  :)

I love this gorgeous Shane avatar even more than the other one!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 15, 2006, 04:34:29 am
This is really sad, isn’t it? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 15, 2006, 04:57:14 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 15, 2006, 03:12:48 am
Hey Guys,

Just been to Brokebackslash, and there's a fic featuring Ennis, Ellery and Jack NOT written (I think) by Lousie ???? set after the end of the LS ...

Um..anyone know what that is about ?

Well I've just been to LiveJournal and there are a number of deleted entries, so it looks like this fic has been taken down.

For the love of God, can't these people give it a rest already! They don't like the Laramie Sage, fine, cool, whatever. Lots of us do, so sod off and let us enjoy it.

Honestly, surely there are more constructive ways to spend one's time.

Hope you are all well today  :)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 15, 2006, 05:33:06 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 15, 2006, 04:57:14 am
Well I've just been to LiveJournal and there are a number of deleted entries, so it looks like this fic has been taken down.

For the love of God, can't these people give it a rest already! They don't like the Laramie Sage, fine, cool, whatever. Lots of us do, so sod off and let us enjoy it.

Honestly, surely there are more constructive ways to spend one's time.

Hope you are all well today  :)

Karen

Mornin all, mornin June. ;) ;) :-*
I hadnt heard about that story Kazza, and I,m glad I never got to see it.  It must have been written by one of the many trolls who (A) hate the LS and (B) are obviously insanely jealous of Louise and all the attention that she and the LS, quite rightly is getting. I,m glad it got taken down. As for well today, well I feel a bit like a zombie today. I woke up at about 2.am and then laid there saying, "go to sleep" for the next, I dunno, 3 hours maybe? My brain was whirring round and round. I just could NOT go back to sleep. So obviously when it was time to get up and get kids ready for school etc, I was NOT a happy bunny. Then, I thought, I,ll go and get some petrol early, before the rush, and take my daughter to school at the same time. Well after I,d got my petrol, I had to fight my way through flamin road works!!! >:( >:( >:( So what should have taken about 10 mins max, took half an hour. I,d have got my petrol yesterday but the station was shut because the tanker was filling up the tanks. Why does that always happen when your just about on empty? grrrrrr. Think I,ll go drop a bomb on Bunny or something.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 05:40:12 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 15, 2006, 03:55:48 am

I'm sure this new fic is also written as a tribute to the LS (hey, a lot of us make-up stories in our head about it LOL ), but maybe its' author should have contacted Louise and asked for her permission beforehand. Or maybe he did and we just don't know about it...


Unfortunately RonitR just the opposite is true. LS and Louise have been subjected to a campaign of abuse dating back many months. This is just the latest manifestation. The response to any complaints is: "You just can't take criticism".  I can understand some people finding the idea of Ennis finding a new love upsetting because I can imaginatively put myself in that mental space. They can't or won't return the favour in terms of our pain at the idea of Ennis being left to live a lonely, miserable existence. I guess it's easier to lash out and find apparently rational reasons for doing so. Even if their compaints were valid, for example, that Jack's memory is disrespected (which we all know is just not the case) that would still be no excuse for the hate campaign that has gone on. Their behaviour has been utterly despicable.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 15, 2006, 05:43:30 am
I don’t think the story is taken down now and I doubt it will be.  Just how pathetic some people can be!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 05:51:33 am
Quote from: souxi on November 15, 2006, 05:33:06 am
Mornin all, mornin June. ;) ;) :-*
I hadnt heard about that story Kazza, and I,m glad I never got to see it.  It must have been written by one of the many trolls who (A) hate the LS and (B) are obviously insanely jealous of Louise and all the attention that she and the LS, quite rightly is getting. I,m glad it got taken down. As for well today, well I feel a bit like a zombie today. I woke up at about 2.am and then laid there saying, "go to sleep" for the next, I dunno, 3 hours maybe? My brain was whirring round and round. I just could NOT go back to sleep. So obviously when it was time to get up and get kids ready for school etc, I was NOT a happy bunny. Then, I thought, I,ll go and get some petrol early, before the rush, and take my daughter to school at the same time. Well after I,d got my petrol, I had to fight my way through flamin road works!!! >:( >:( >:( So what should have taken about 10 mins max, took half an hour. I,d have got my petrol yesterday but the station was shut because the tanker was filling up the tanks. Why does that always happen when your just about on empty? grrrrrr. Think I,ll go drop a bomb on Bunny or something.  ;) ;)

Hey Souxi darlin  :-*

God, what a nightmare night and morning!! Jeeeeez!  :(

Aww, don't you think Bunny's been through enough?? lol  ;D  I can think of much better people to drop it on!!  ;)

The story has indeed not been taken down. It's still on BBSlash  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:05:56 am
The fic you mention has nothing to do with the "Laramie Saga" and is written by someone who has not been given my permission to use my characters or plot.

If you would like to help, please urge the moderators of BBSlash to enforce their rules regarding plagiarism and ownership, which are posted under "User Info."  The Laramie Saga and its original characters, belong to me, as do the content of my links and stories.  No one, I repeat, NO ONE, has been given permission to use them in any other stories.

You can voice your objections to plagiarized and unauthorized content being posted on BBSlash by sending mail to:

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

I also urge you not to engage in debates or to leave comments to that story, as it will do what the author had intended: to draw attention to it and to draw people into argument.  There is no argument:  this fandom should remain free of plagiarism, and the members of the fandom, and its archives, should not allow plagiarists free rein to post stories which include the content or characters from other stories without permission.

As per the instructions posted on BBSlash - please send your complaint regarding plagiarism to the moderators: do not post it in comments on the post, as they try to keep the community free of controversy.

My logo from Zebratta.com is also copyrighted, and if that log is posted anywhere, it is a violation of my copyright on that image from my website.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on November 15, 2006, 06:09:29 am
Quote from: yb on November 15, 2006, 05:43:30 am
I don’t think the story is taken down now and I doubt it will be.  Just how pathetic some people can be!


Hi and morning all. I saw it and thought that the title gave away the fact that it would be sad.  ???

I was also unsure of it's validity so out of respect for the lovely Louise I left it alone. >:(

If it is a way of getting at Louise and her saga some people wanna grow up and get a life!

Modded to add I have seen your comment and will complain through the proper channels Louise, thanks darlin' ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 15, 2006, 06:09:52 am
Maybe you should give that author the benefit of a doubt. I mean, who would be nutty enough to go after Louise for writing a fanfic where someone makes Ennis HAPPY?? Then again she used to post all the time in a Quit/NoQuit thread--definately Quit.  I argued with her all the time, but it was just POSITIONS, and she had impeccably logical analysis. You could disagree with the basic premise but not the analysis leading from that premise. [I was noquit and still am rofl] Now, this'Quit' guy David---omg was he an ass, but he didn't have the logic of Louise. Louise was always a lady, and a lady with BRAINS in that debate.

Do you really think someone would go to the trouble of killing off her character just to be a dirtball?? It makes no sense.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 15, 2006, 06:13:25 am
Quote from: katecaton on November 15, 2006, 06:09:29 am
If it is a way of getting at Louise and her saga some people wanna grow up and get a life!


Funny, I wrote the exact same thing in a PM earlier  ;)

Don't know how to post comments on LJ, but will certainly send an e-mail.
Jeez!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:14:39 am
Jack,

My official statement is above - there is no mistake - other parodies of the Laramie Saga have been removed from this board, and from BBSlash, in the recent past - this is simply the latest.  I would like to urge everyone, also, to drop discussion of "Ghost of a Chance" since according to the policies of this board it is a disrespectful parody and these are not welcome on Bettermost.

Thank you - let's move on please!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 15, 2006, 06:14:53 am
Obviously no doubt.

Ok, I'm an eternal optimist where people are concerned.....

Louise, just wrote jessica <planetgal> and told her it should go, for those reasons.

What idiots people can be
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 15, 2006, 06:31:17 am
Moving on, Maam  ;D ....


SPOILER

Poor Ellery - he's very human in feeling guilty about Esteban, even if it isn't his fault..

Also, loved Dupree being a "gay-magnet"  ;D poor boy can't get a break, can he?? Wonder why thay is **scratches head**
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 15, 2006, 07:32:11 am
SPOILER


I'm so confused (a bit like poor Dupree).  ;)

There are so many possible contenders for his affections! Jeeves (an outside shot at this stage), ADA Samuelson (maybe that's just in my mind), Nate-the-radiator-repair-man - is there anyone that I've missed? Louise, are these perhaps red herrings and you have someone lined up in the wings?

Souxi - sorry you're having such a rubbish day.  :( When you're juggling so much it doesn't take much to disrupt the smooth sailing of your day. Treat yourself to something nice at lunchtime, then a glass of wine later once the kids are in bed.  ;D

Now - shall we open a book on who's going to give Dupree the lovin' he so desperately needs? After all the regulars at the Red Stallion like a flutter on these issues.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 07:46:40 am
Ellery

We like Ellery a lot
He’s clever, sweet and
bloody hot

He’s so good looking
full of wit
Never patient
with a twit

He’s far from perfect
So damn what?
He not a toady
or a swat!

Ennis thinks he’s beautiful
and stands guard at his door
You only have to look his way
to feel his fist smash in your jaw

If any threaten his dear boy
they really must dumb
They’ll end up
dumped into a ditch
with Ennis’ boot
right up their bum!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 15, 2006, 08:07:07 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 15, 2006, 07:32:11 am
SPOILER

Now - shall we open a book on who's going to give Dupree the lovin' he so desperately needs? After all the regulars at the Red Stallion like a flutter on these issues.

Karen

I'll second that.

Hey, he  could be an "equal-opportunity" kinda guy, and give EVERYONE the once -over before deciding  ;D
Just kidding.... Dupree is NOT that kind of guy (but Wayne, maybe  ;)).


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 15, 2006, 09:37:18 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 15, 2006, 07:32:11 am
SPOILER


I'm so confused (a bit like poor Dupree).  ;)

There are so many possible contenders for his affections! Jeeves (an outside shot at this stage), ADA Samuelson (maybe that's just in my mind), Nate-the-radiator-repair-man - is there anyone that I've missed? Louise, are these perhaps red herrings and you have someone lined up in the wings?

Souxi - sorry you're having such a rubbish day.  :( When you're juggling so much it doesn't take much to disrupt the smooth sailing of your day. Treat yourself to something nice at lunchtime, then a glass of wine later once the kids are in bed.  ;D

Now - shall we open a book on who's going to give Dupree the lovin' he so desperately needs? After all the regulars at the Red Stallion like a flutter on these issues.

Karen

Thank you for sympathy Kazza. :) To make myself feel better, I,ve got my printer out, and I,ve spent a while printing the LS from the begining. To see just how Ennis was at the start and to see how far he has come now is just brilliant. I shall definately need some more ink and paper, theres LOADS of it. I know Louise is talking about a zine but obviously none of us, including Louise probably have any idea of when that will be and I,m impatient for my boys lol, so I,m printing away, and having fun re reading from the start again. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 15, 2006, 09:42:12 am
RE:  Dupree.

    Well, thats the trouble with assumptions.    We are assuming what kind of guy Jeremy will find hot.    Truth is, I have met some guys that are only interested in opposites.     I know of a guy online in my area that is hot, lean and cleancut looking.   Eveybody drools over him, but nobody can get a date with him.   Then one night at a Happy Hour event I was hanging out with him and noticed how he got all giddy and excited when these big beefy guys came over.    Then it hit me.  He isn't into guys that are like him, he wants a big beefy guy.    But I suppose he may not be their type.  Who knows.     

There is only one think about "Rules of Attraction".   There are NONE!    hahaha!   

now back to Dupree.    We can guess can't we?

Does he want a rough guy or gal to dominate him?   

Does he want to be with a kind, submissive guy?

It is my opinion that a guys first physical experience is with someone he finds attractive.    The lure of physical hottness draws them in until the opportunity is there to act on it.

Granted that sometimes guys just get drunk and have sex with someone they wouldn't when sober.     

But Ideally I think we all agree that we want Jeremy Dupree to meet someone that sparks a fire in his loins and makes him want to expirement.   

Sorry gals, as nice and friendly as Jeeves is, isn't him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 10:00:30 am
Souxi,

You are right that I cannot promise when the fanzine will get off the ground... I am not sure what is going to happen in the next three weeks, actually! and at any rate it has to wait until after the Saga is finished.

I had one of those traffic things that happened to you last night: the main road going into Saarbrücken had a big maintenance truck across one intersection and was squeezing everyone into a defile, and some guy in a bright orange uniform was standing in the middle of the road with a big steel rod, holding it steady, not in the least concerned that there was a kilometer-length line of traffic winding back behind him.  I missed getting to the Apotheke, and hence didn't find out until this morning that the Apotheke screwed up on filling my prescription.  Supah, as they say.

When will this day end?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 10:10:42 am
Quote from: souxi on November 15, 2006, 09:37:18 am
Thank you for sympathy Kazza. :) To make myself feel better, I,ve got my printer out, and I,ve spent a while printing the LS from the begining. To see just how Ennis was at the start and to see how far he has come now is just brilliant. I shall definately need some more ink and paper, theres LOADS of it. I know Louise is talking about a zine but obviously none of us, including Louise probably have any idea of when that will be and I,m impatient for my boys lol, so I,m printing away, and having fun re reading from the start again. :) :)

You know what part I love to read, over and over? Their first day together, from when Ennis meets Ellery...running around, going out to lunch, Ellery getting to know Ennis. I love that section.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 15, 2006, 10:14:09 am
You mentioned that word again Louise.......finished. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  *SIGH* Do you know my eyes feel gritty,so although you shouldnt really wish your day away I,m kind of looking forward to seeing my duvet lol. And if I get caught in another traffic jam tonight I shall scream and have road rage.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 15, 2006, 10:14:55 am
Quote from: souxi on November 15, 2006, 09:37:18 am
Thank you for sympathy Kazza. :) To make myself feel better, I,ve got my printer out, and I,ve spent a while printing the LS from the begining. To see just how Ennis was at the start and to see how far he has come now is just brilliant. I shall definately need some more ink and paper, theres LOADS of it. I know Louise is talking about a zine but obviously none of us, including Louise probably have any idea of when that will be and I,m impatient for my boys lol, so I,m printing away, and having fun re reading from the start again. :) :)

Oh my word, Souxi, I keep thinking I should start printing out the LS from the beginning, cos I want to keep it and read it whenever I feel like it, but god, it will take me a lifetime! lol  Not to mention a few trees and ink cartridges!!! lol  

Louise, will you be keeping your lj open once LS has finished so we can access it and read through the story from the beginning again?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 15, 2006, 10:15:37 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 10:10:42 am
You know what part I love to read, over and over? Their first day together, from when Ennis meets Ellery...running around, going out to lunch, Ellery getting to know Ennis. I love that section.

Leslie

oh, me too Leslie.
i think i know it practically by heart by now!

Ennis: "Man, Ellery"
Ellery:" Yep, all man, wanna see?"

i looooove that line!  ;D  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 15, 2006, 10:17:02 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 10:10:42 am
You know what part I love to read, over and over? Their first day together, from when Ennis meets Ellery...running around, going out to lunch, Ellery getting to know Ennis. I love that section.

Leslie

Yep and that first pass  Ennis made at Ellery in the Rose Hotel, and the first time he tasted decent scotch at Ellerys house..he couldnt get over the fact it was 15 year old whisky lol..bless him. The time he gave him a bath....*SIGH* Right I shall be here ALL day if I keep on lol, theres so much I could quote but if I do that, I,ll paste the enitire series here again lol. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 15, 2006, 10:17:13 am
Quote from: souxi on November 15, 2006, 10:14:09 am
You mentioned that word again Louise.......finished. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  *SIGH* Do you know my eyes feel gritty,so although you shouldnt really wish your day away I,m kind of looking forward to seeing my duvet lol. And if I get caught in another traffic jam tonight I shall scream and have road rage.  >:( >:(

Don't even talk to me about traffic jams, road works and road rage, I seem to have an incident every time I go and come back from work.  I never thought I'd have it in me to commit a crime, but I find it that I have no problems thinking of various ways to cause pain to certain drivers!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 15, 2006, 10:18:56 am
Quote from: christie wood on November 15, 2006, 10:14:55 am
Oh my word, Souxi, I keep thinking I should start printing out the LS from the beginning, cos I want to keep it and read it whenever I feel like it, but god, it will take me a lifetime! lol  Not to mention a few trees and ink cartridges!!! lol  

Louise, will you be keeping your lj open once LS has finished so we can access it and read through the story from the beginning again?

I sure hope so, I,ve got a lot of printing to do yet....before it,s...you know....finished. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 15, 2006, 10:19:51 am
Quote from: souxi on November 15, 2006, 10:17:02 am
Yep and that first pass  Ennis made at Ellery in the Rose Hotel, and the first time he tasted decent scotch at Ellerys house..he couldnt get over the fact it was 15 year old whisky lol..bless him. The time he gave him a bath....*SIGH* Right I shall be here ALL day if I keep on lol, theres so much I could quote but if I do that, I,ll paste the enitire series here again lol. ;D

Oh god, I love that first pass souxi!!!  *sigh*   I love it when Ennis puts Ellery's hand on him and whispers "I do want it"....that was just...gorgeous.  I love that whole scene, the build up, how gentle Ellery is with him, the attraction Ennis feels for Ellery, but feeling totally confused at the same time.  

*sigh and swoon*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 10:26:52 am
Quote from: souxi on November 15, 2006, 10:17:02 am
Yep and that first pass  Ennis made at Ellery in the Rose Hotel, and the first time he tasted decent scotch at Ellerys house..he couldnt get over the fact it was 15 year old whisky lol..bless him. The time he gave him a bath....*SIGH* Right I shall be here ALL day if I keep on lol, theres so much I could quote but if I do that, I,ll paste the enitire series here again lol. ;D

Me too! I love the meeting up between these two and have read and reread Taking Chances many times because of it. As you re- read, you also pick up more about the evolution of the relationship. In the early days Ennis gave Ellery hell if he covered up his back pain and treated him pretty callously at times in my view. Later on when Ellery stuffs up his back he is much more philosophical and forgiving and just sets about giving him a back rub and extra TLC. It's the emotional equivalent of slowing consuming a bar of chocolate.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 10:47:39 am
wow, the way you guys talk about the initial romantic relationship and how it got started, sets me all aglow, and believe me, it's a good thing!

Looking at my watch, I have barely an hour to go before I can go get my arthritis pills!

Here's a kick in the head for you all... I got contacted about a project starting right away in... Portland, Maine!  Right in Leslie's neighborhood!  Now imagine what six or seven weeks in Leslieland might do to me, inspiration wise?  Or to both of us?  When we were in London for that bare two days, both of us got a lot done on our respective series.  So the question is.... will the Dynamic Duo be closeted together over Christmas scheming over what is to come post-Saga?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 10:49:17 am
Here's another quote I love:

You matter ta me, too Ennis. With or without the sex. Just lying here holdin you is more lovin than I ever thought I would see again.

Sigh....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 10:51:21 am
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 10:47:39 am
wow, the way you guys talk about the initial romantic relationship and how it got started, sets me all aglow, and believe me, it's a good thing!

Looking at my watch, I have barely an hour to go before I can go get my arthritis pills!

Here's a kick in the head for you all... I got contacted about a project starting write away in... Portland, Maine!  Right in Leslie's neighborhood!  Now imagine what six or seven weeks in Leslieland might do to me, inspiration wise?  Or to both of us?  When we were in London for that bare two days, both of us got a lot done on our respective series.  So the question is.... will the Dynamic Duo be closeted together over Christmas scheming over what is to come post-Saga?

If Louise were to end up here in Portland, I would remind everyone of Tom Lawrence's philosophy: There are no coincidences. Everything happens for a reason.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 10:52:09 am
Another milestone:

After finding out that there were nearly 30 people just here on Bettermost reading and following the Saga, I put RiteCounter on my website back at the end of September.  And looking at it today:

99,972 hits by 14,827 hosts since 24 September.  The counter will roll over 100,000 hits in the next hour!  Can't beat that with a stick.  Once again, thank you all who are reading, for your wonderful comments and enjoyment of the Laramie Saga.

And yes... Ellery is going to remember to nag Ennis to go to the ear doctor.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on November 15, 2006, 10:59:34 am
Louise, Question for you if you please. 

What has suprised you most about the Saga?
Its response?
The Story?

Thanks //Bob
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 11:18:12 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 10:51:21 am
If Louise were to end up here in Portland, I would remind everyone of Tom Lawrence's philosophy: There are no coincidences. Everything happens for a reason.

L

I agree and I can't believe how happy it makes me to hear that Louise might be moving into your neighbourhood Leslie!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 11:20:24 am
Quote from: souxi on November 15, 2006, 10:18:56 am
I sure hope so, I,ve got a lot of printing to do yet....before it,s...you know....finished. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

I hope so too....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 11:22:05 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 07:46:40 am
Ellery

We like Ellery a lot
He’s clever, sweet and
bloody hot

He’s so good looking
full of wit
Never patient
with a twit

He’s far from perfect
So damn what?
He not a toady
or a swat!

Ennis thinks he’s beautiful
and stands guard at his door
You only have to look his way
to feel his fist smash in your jaw

If any threaten his dear boy
they really must dumb
They’ll end up
dumped into a ditch
with Ennis’ boot
right up their bum!

I'm loving this Jo! As always  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 11:25:00 am
Quote from: souxi on November 15, 2006, 10:14:09 am
You mentioned that word again Louise.......finished. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  *SIGH* Do you know my eyes feel gritty,so although you shouldnt really wish your day away I,m kind of looking forward to seeing my duvet lol. And if I get caught in another traffic jam tonight I shall scream and have road rage.  >:( >:(

How're you feeling now Souxi? Still ready for bed?? LOL

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 11:26:09 am
June, I am just noticing...you might be in the 1000+ posts club very soon. Whoo-wee!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 11:30:28 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 11:26:09 am
June, I am just noticing...you might be in the 1000+ posts club very soon. Whoo-wee!

Leslie

I know! Crazy eh?? LOL ~ it's taken me long enough though!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 15, 2006, 12:00:59 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 11:25:00 am
How're you feeling now Souxi? Still ready for bed?? LOL

 :-*

Ready? I,m practically in it lol. Only another....(looks at watch) roughly 6 hours to go......ish. What are our gorgeous sexy boys up too today then Louise?  *SIGH* Back to my printer. :) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on November 15, 2006, 12:09:48 pm

While we're in the mood to reminisce about Taking Chances, I just have to mention my favorite moment.

When Ennis and Ellery were about to share their very first tender moment, Jack's journal fell from Ennis's pocket and nipped everything in the bud, so to speak.

Ennis began to sob, and Ellery comforted him. Deep love was shared between them already because Ellery respected Ennis and Jack, even showing reverence for the love Ennis and Jack had shared over all the years.

I was a reluctant reader at first, not thinking I could imagine Ennis with anyone else, but with this first tender and deeply loving moment, I was hooked on the Laramie Saga.

Yep, Brokeback got me good, and the Laramie Saga got me, too, thanks be to God!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 15, 2006, 12:26:29 pm
I'm hoping dupree turns out bi. As in a real Bi. there is something about this guy which sort of subtley screams it, but maybe that's because I AM bi lol.

He sort a reminds me of me when i was his age, in a LOT of ways, but me I was absolutely bi by then roflmao.

Don't know if he will be or not, I'm in A Second Chance and avoid discussion and reading future books like plague.
Jack
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 12:49:14 pm
Hiya everyone!

I just thought I'd show off my copy of the first 3 books again ..  ;D .. all whopping 887 pages of it!  Woo-wee!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/e2304142.jpg)


Can't wait to do the same for the last 3 books!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 15, 2006, 01:52:12 pm
hey Milli,
i'm busy making those books as well. but i have them bound seperately. Easier to read in bed  :D

I love that picture!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 15, 2006, 01:56:09 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 15, 2006, 12:49:14 pm
Hiya everyone!

I just thought I'd show off my copy of the first 3 books again ..  ;D .. all whopping 887 pages of it!  Woo-wee!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/e2304142.jpg)


Can't wait to do the same for the last 3 books!

That is so beautiful Lucise. I,m jealous lol. :) I,ve got a LOT of printing to do to..887 pages? Jeez I,m gonna have to get even more ink . My finished product wont look anything like yours I know but at least I,ll have it printed off....after it,s....finished. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 02:03:52 pm
okay okay okay... I am home, Ive eaten, I've taken my arthritis pill - my knees should stop creaking over night!

And now it is time to get down to brass tacks.

I will tell you guys one thing:  one of you who posted on this page, is going to get their wish.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on November 15, 2006, 02:15:05 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 02:03:52 pm
okay okay okay... I am home, Ive eaten, I've taken my arthritis pill - my knees should stop creaking over night!

And now it is time to get down to brass tacks.

I will tell you guys one thing:  one of you who posted on this page, is going to get their wish.

Very interesting.

I'm going to do something very unusual for me and make a guess openly: Dupree will turn out to be bisexual.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 15, 2006, 02:18:02 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on November 15, 2006, 02:15:05 pm
Very interesting.

I'm going to do something very unusual for me and make a guess openly: Dupree will turn out to be bisexual.


I was just going to say that lol. Hope your poor knees feel better soon Louise. Mind you, it,s a good job it,s not in your hands isnt it? So what are those gorgeous, sexy, handsome, edbile, delicious, boys up to today then? *SIGH* :) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 02:25:23 pm
somebody guessed correctly.

No, arthritis is all in the knees, a little in my back.

Not in the hands. I am typity typing as we speak.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 15, 2006, 02:28:47 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 03:37:17 am
All I know is that it's most definitely NOT written by Louise!! And Ellery dies in it..... :(  :(  :(   >:(

Please don't second guess my work.  I hhope you enjoy it, but Ellery does not die in chapter one of "A Ghost of a Chance".

To all the people who have posted that Ellery dies, he does not.  You have jumped to a conclusion.
To the people who subsequently attribute nasty intentions to me, for shame.  Bettermost is meant to be a place where negative comments and attacks on other writers are expressly forbidden.

I would encourage you to remove your posts as they are offensive and hurtful to me.


Quote
And I'm wondering if all of this is allowed?  ???

I am pretty sure fanfic is allowed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 15, 2006, 02:30:08 pm
Quote from: yb on November 15, 2006, 04:34:29 am
This is really sad, isn’t it? 

I am glad it moved you YB.  You also said it was "Incredible"!  Thank you for that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 02:32:14 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 15, 2006, 01:52:12 pm
hey Milli,
i'm busy making those books as well. but i have them bound seperately. Easier to read in bed  :D

I love that picture!  :)

Yes, it is HUGE! Printing the  books separately might've been better but I aint complaining ..  ;)



Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 02:03:52 pm
I will tell you guys one thing:  one of you who posted on this page, is going to get their wish.

Heee..
*rubs hands in anticipation ..*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 15, 2006, 02:36:53 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:14:39 am
I would like to urge everyone, also, to drop discussion of "Ghost of a Chance" since according to the policies of this board it is a disrespectful parody and these are not welcome on Bettermost.

Excuse me, my story is not parody.
It is a serious attempt at fanfiction.  Which bits did you find so funny that you assumed it was parody? ???

A man is in a coma.  That's not funny.  Show some respect.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 02:39:44 pm


On with the show folks ...
A little featurette I like to call:

Being Dupree ..
(yes, I am obsessed, you gonna tell me you aint?..  ;D)


The life of Jeremy Dupree must be heaven.  Think about it!

He gets to have

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/el_HJ.jpg)


for a boss!  AND he gets to have..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/enn2-1.jpg)


for "Dear Abby" and all-round best-buddy ..


The fact that Jeremy looks like this

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/f564c068.jpg)

and like this

(http://www.lonestarsteve.com/photos/lying_on_sofa.jpg)


.. when relaxing at home ain't exactly hurting him either!
 
He manages to keep the boys at the Stallion drooling!  Can't say I blame them!

Jeremy is a regular hero, risking his life, saving people from

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/cfcaf6a5.jpg)

.. Fighting the boys from the

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/458d88c8.jpg)

("Red Bandana Gang" .. the puppy is just modelling it for us) ..

.. Always thinking on the wellbeing of others, that's our Jeremy!

So, everything is peachy in Dupree-ville, right? Wrong!
Matters of the heart, they weigh him down..

First there was Tatiana.

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/36d44f31.gif)

.. Sharp, smart, pretty.  But one bedroom malfunction ended that chapter for Jeremy. (tsk tsk, some people ..)

Then there was Janice, blonde, leggy and quick-tempered ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/faf78e4c.jpg)

..No luck there either, she drew fast conclusions about Jeremy too, especially after she saw him with

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/402e2997.jpg)

.. a new-found friend of Jeremy's and his not-so-secret admirer!


Where does that leave our poor Dupree?  Struggling to balance on a

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/cfcaf6a5-1.jpg)

.. trying to check out the pastures on either side!
Will the grass be greener on one side and not the other?  Remains to be seen!


While we wait for Sanchez to hook him up with a tortilla-making, hot mamacita ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/4ddb7fdf.gif)


Or for a greasy (not in character but in appearance) mechanic to make a move ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/naat.jpg)


Or for a beautiful stranger to enter his life and sweep him off his feet ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/6313ef72.jpg)


We can all agree that Being Dupree is definitely a hoot!


The End  .. (for now) .. 8)






Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 02:47:40 pm
Quote from: gn411 on November 15, 2006, 10:59:34 am
Louise, Question for you if you please. 

What has suprised you most about the Saga?
Its response?
The Story?

Thanks //Bob

sorry I didn't see this post earlier, Bob:

What surprised me most:  hm.... I would have to say, Dupree becoming a sleeper Main Character.  He was supposed to be a minor sidekick!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 03:01:35 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 02:47:40 pm
sorry I didn't see this post earlier, Bob:

What surprised me most:  hm.... I would have to say, Dupree becoming a sleeper Main Character.  He was supposed to be a minor sidekick!

Minor sidekick??   :o  No way Jose! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on November 15, 2006, 03:21:47 pm
Louise,  As you know I am a big fan of Ennis and Ellery,  And like Leslie the characters have really become a part of me (to your credit).

I am pleased that the saga succeeded without a soap opera storyline. (important)
I am suprised that after BBM, the way the saga healed me.
I am entertained in the way these characters have become real.
And I am Thankful to Louise for all the above. 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 03:22:39 pm
ok gang:

Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/149877.html  "Chapter 92:  The Face of the Past"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 03:29:38 pm
 .. ok, the title of that chapter sounds very interesting! hee!

Cheers L .. off to check it out!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 03:40:20 pm
Milli! I love you for that wonderful, gorgeous post! Great stuff, as always!!!  :-*


I owe you a pm but have to go out right now!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 15, 2006, 03:41:57 pm
Right peeps, I,m off for the night, and please pray I get some sleep tonight otherwise I shall commit murder in the morning.!!! I HATE it when I get no sleep..you probably guessed that lol.Oh and NO traffic jams either...grrrrr. Night all, night June. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 04:00:14 pm
you try to get a good night's sleep. I know I will:  those little white capsules will make my knees stop creaking enough for me to wake up and be able to bend them!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: wonderland on November 15, 2006, 04:28:30 pm
Well said Lori.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 15, 2006, 04:38:39 pm
Quote from: MadLori on November 15, 2006, 04:16:49 pm
That's when you have to support it the most, not the least.

You are a boon to any fandom.  Thank you.








One tiny teensy small thing... 'A Ghost of a Chance' is not parody!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 15, 2006, 04:50:49 pm
I already PM'd why I am thanking you, and it has nothing to do with me or my writing.

If you want to repeat what I said to you (publically) or just drop it, either is fine with me.
Both of you stood up there and said what was right, even if it was unpopular.  That's what I want to thank you for, and that's what I have been driving at for a long time now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 15, 2006, 05:19:02 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on November 15, 2006, 12:09:48 pm
While we're in the mood to reminisce about Taking Chances, I just have to mention my favorite moment.

When Ennis and Ellery were about to share their very first tender moment, Jack's journal fell from Ennis's pocket and nipped everything in the bud, so to speak.

Ennis began to sob, and Ellery comforted him. Deep love was shared between them already because Ellery respected Ennis and Jack, even showing reverence for the love Ennis and Jack had shared over all the years.

I was a reluctant reader at first, not thinking I could imagine Ennis with anyone else, but with this first tender and deeply loving moment, I was hooked on the Laramie Saga.

Yep, Brokeback got me good, and the Laramie Saga got me, too, thanks be to God!


i agree Fred,
for me the moment when i knew this was going to be a very special story was in chapter 16 reconnoitering. When Ennis finally managed to ask Ellery what he was on about.

Ellery parked across from the bar and turned off the ignition, looking at Ennis carefully, quietly, as if sizing him up. Ennis was still gripping his hat, his silence loud, roaring in his own ears. Finally, as if tearing the words from somewhere deep in his guts he looked up at the man looking at him and said, in a low, tortured voice,

“What da you want from me?” And Ellery put his big, wide hand down over Ennis’s clutching hands, closing it slowly.

“Nothin you don’t want, Ennis. First – to get this shit with this slug Wilson straightened. And if there is anything more, if its friends or a drink in the bar or somethin else that is up to you. I ain’t no teenager, Ennis. I won’t put hands on ya. But you know where I stand, and if its what you want then its fine with me, whatever it is. No need ta be scared I’m gonna do nothin. I got a big mouth and maybe I am just a little to open flirtin an all that with somebody like you, but that’s just how I am with someone I feel good around. And that’s all it’ll be if that is all you want. But you don’t need to tear outta here because yer afraid I’m gonna put hands on ya because I won’t. Fair enough?”

That was it for me. I was hooked.

Wonderful writing louise!  :)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 15, 2006, 05:37:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 02:47:40 pm
sorry I didn't see this post earlier, Bob:

What surprised me most:  hm.... I would have to say, Dupree becoming a sleeper Main Character.  He was supposed to be a minor sidekick!

Yeah, I know what you mean about Dupree, who would have thought we'd be having these discussions abou this sexuality?  But I love it, I find him such an endearing and interesting character to read about.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 05:41:07 pm
Utter shock, actually.  I was looking to create a character who was completely relaxed with Ellery and Ennis and surprised them both with his lack of concern, in light of all of the polarization and homophobia that they were all used to.  Which is why he ended up going for the extra work at the Stallion.

And now it looks like... he is one of the main characters... rivaling Wes in importance!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 05:52:45 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 05:41:07 pm

And now it looks like... he is one of the main characters... rivaling Wes in importance!

And deservedly too!
Jeremy was definitely a lovable character from the start!  And then this ambiguity about his sexuality .. adds a whole other dimension to him!
Stroke of genius there Louise!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 15, 2006, 05:56:00 pm
re: Dupree...I think he's more important than Wes at this point.

Now, to the more important question...why is there less smex in this book?  INo marginalization of the smex!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:06:12 pm
there's less smex?

Does this mean I have to write "make up smex" ?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 15, 2006, 06:12:36 pm
Louisev,  the constant sex between E&E is just assumed!

   You know whose pants we want to get in!   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: karen1129 on November 15, 2006, 06:13:27 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:06:12 pm
there's less smex?

Does this mean I have to write "make up smex" ?

Louise..............   make up smex is the best !!!  Helloooooooooooooooooooooo   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 06:17:44 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 15, 2006, 06:12:36 pm
Louisev,  the constant sex between E&E is just assumed!
   You know whose pants we want to get in!   ::)

Ahem!
Here here ..  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:27:19 pm
ok, I think my face just cracked. Let me check. Oh my goodness, I just smiled.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 06:36:37 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 15, 2006, 06:17:44 pm
Ahem!
Here here ..  8)

Heh heh  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 06:39:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:27:19 pm
ok, I think my face just cracked. Let me check. Oh my goodness, I just smiled.

LOL ~  Good to hear Louise!  :D

David and Milli really crack me up!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 15, 2006, 06:39:36 pm
Quote from: gn411 on November 15, 2006, 03:21:47 pm

I am pleased that the saga succeeded without a soap opera storyline. (important)
 

This is so true and I whole-heartedly agree.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:52:05 pm
ok, tell ya what I'm gonna do.

I should know by the end of the day Friday if I am going to Portland.
If I go to Portland I will have 5 to 7 weeks of hanging around with plot-bunny picker Leslie.

If that happens, I will write one story per week from the Saga universe.  Now - get your plot ideas going.

Plots already selected for a story:  "Dupree's Choice" - about Dupree discovering his sexual preferences and his love life opening up
                                                "Anniversary" - Ennis returning to Brokeback for the year anniversary of his memorial, in September 1985.

Other topics are open for nomination.  The five most popular topics will be picked for additional December stories.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 15, 2006, 06:57:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:52:05 pm
ok, tell ya what I'm gonna do.

I should know by the end of the day Friday if I am going to Portland.
If I go to Portland I will have 5 to 7 weeks of hanging around with plot-bunny picker Leslie.

If that happens, I will write one story per week from the Saga universe.  Now - get your plot ideas going.

Plots already selected for a story:  "Dupree's Choice" - about Dupree discovering his sexual preferences and his love life opening up
                                                "Anniversary" - Ennis returning to Brokeback for the year anniversary of his memorial, in September 1985.

Other topics are open for nomination.  The five most popular topics will be picked for additional December stories.

Junior and Francine's next visit maybe? They still have to talk about the college thing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 07:08:54 pm
*raises hand*..

Umm, can we or more precisely, you .. ;D, work in something on the Red Stallion gang .. Simon, Lauren, Lance with/without Sergio, Chas, Wayne, Pete .. the entire, lovable dysfunctional gang?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 07:28:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:52:05 pm
ok, tell ya what I'm gonna do.

I should know by the end of the day Friday if I am going to Portland.
If I go to Portland I will have 5 to 7 weeks of hanging around with plot-bunny picker Leslie.

If that happens, I will write one story per week from the Saga universe.  Now - get your plot ideas going.

Plots already selected for a story:  "Dupree's Choice" - about Dupree discovering his sexual preferences and his love life opening up
                                                "Anniversary" - Ennis returning to Brokeback for the year anniversary of his memorial, in September 1985.

Other topics are open for nomination.  The five most popular topics will be picked for additional December stories.

How about:

Ennis and Ellery's first anniversary of their meeting.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 07:32:04 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 07:28:12 pm
How about:
Ennis and Ellery's first anniversary of their meeting.

I'll also second that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on November 15, 2006, 07:46:20 pm

How about  Jeeves and how he came to be in Laramie and something about his life in England?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 07:48:03 pm
ah, the untold Jeeves story!  That is true, that is a hanging plot thread!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 07:50:27 pm
Well, folks, it happened:

In the past 12 hours, my website went over 100,000 hits and is now at 100,902, from 14,989 hosts, since 24 September.  Less than 2 (two) months.  I think somebody knows the Laramie Saga is "out there"!

cheers everyone, and have a happy Wednesday!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 15, 2006, 07:59:12 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 07:28:12 pm
How about:

Ennis and Ellery's first anniversary of their meeting.



I'll third that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 15, 2006, 08:04:34 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 07:50:27 pm
Well, folks, it happened:

In the past 12 hours, my website went over 100,000 hits and is now at 100,902, from 14,989 hosts, since 24 September.  Less than 2 (two) months.  I think somebody knows the Laramie Saga is "out there"!

cheers everyone, and have a happy Wednesday!

Something to celebrate with ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/549c34c9.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 15, 2006, 08:08:47 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 07:28:12 pm
How about:

Ennis and Ellery's first anniversary of their meeting.



Or should that be: 'Ennis and Ellery's first anniversary of their mating'?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 08:13:30 pm
Quote from: yb on November 15, 2006, 07:59:12 pm
I'll third that.

And I'll fourth it!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 08:15:41 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 07:50:27 pm
Well, folks, it happened:

In the past 12 hours, my website went over 100,000 hits and is now at 100,902, from 14,989 hosts, since 24 September.  Less than 2 (two) months.  I think somebody knows the Laramie Saga is "out there"!

cheers everyone, and have a happy Wednesday!

WOW Louise!! OMG ~ that's just totally mind blowin!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 15, 2006, 08:16:38 pm
Great picture of Hugh in that pose!

  I can see Ellery in that picture!     I also see Ennis in the background being embarrassed!    LOL !
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 08:20:49 pm
I'd also like to see Ennis and Ellery take another holiday together  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 08:23:43 pm
I think those legs go... all the way... to the TOP.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 15, 2006, 08:29:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:52:05 pm
Plots already selected for a story:  "Dupree's Choice" - about Dupree discovering his sexual preferences and his love life opening up
                                               


Am I wrong, or wasn't there a suggestion a while ago that there be a poll taken on what we wanted to happen in the 'Dupree's choice' story-line? I think that would be a great way to generate further reader interest in the LS. Perhaps it could be a closed poll in which the result only gets to be 'announced' when Louisev publishes the story incorporating the most favoured option.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 15, 2006, 08:41:02 pm
yes, the Poll is still open.

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=5928.msg111994#new

"Get it On With Jeeves" is still the leading option followed by "Find Someone New at the Red Stallion and Experiment".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 09:29:32 pm
Short stories....

If you are moving in with me over the Christmas holidays, I think we need a Christmas story...and something that shows some divergence of personality. Like maybe Ennis is a real Christmas traditionalist, wants a tree, which Ellery has never done. And maybe Junior and Francie show up for cookie baking and the like....could be fun....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 09:39:15 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 15, 2006, 09:29:32 pm
Short stories....

If you are moving in with me over the Christmas holidays, I think we need a Christmas story...and something that shows some divergence of personality. Like maybe Ennis is a real Christmas traditionalist, wants a tree, which Ellery has never done. And maybe Junior and Francie show up for cookie baking and the like....could be fun....

L

I can just picture Ellery under the Christmas tree with a nice big red bow tied around Little Jack. LOL (One for you Lucise!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 15, 2006, 11:10:44 pm
I'm still waiting for that Legal Entanglements and Couplehood conversation.  Ennis needs to be made a legal partner, with POA, and being in ellery's will, and vice versa, and they need to talk about that stuff, I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 16, 2006, 12:48:38 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 09:39:15 pm
I can just picture Ellery under the Christmas tree with a nice big red bow tied around Little Jack. LOL (One for you Lucise!)

Umm..I don't think I'll be allowed to post such a pic here at Bettermost, Jo!   ;D
Thanks for the mental image though!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 16, 2006, 03:47:07 am
re:  short stories - my wish list

Anything with Dupree is good,
Anything with Jeeves is good,
Anything with Dupree and Jeeves is REALLY good... ;)
Ennis and Ellery's first anniversary
Ennis and Ellery taking a vacation, without Junior and Francine calling every 3 minutes or dropping by,

And also  - Ennis and Ellery five years down the line, still going strong, bickering, making us laugh and having great smex!



Also, Lucise, loved the Dupree  picture-booklet, especially the red -bandana modelling puppy. Not so scary, is it, when worn by a really cute dog  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 04:03:00 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 15, 2006, 09:39:15 pm
I can just picture Ellery under the Christmas tree with a nice big red bow tied around Little Jack. LOL (One for you Lucise!)

Ooooh nice Jo! Very nice......

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 16, 2006, 04:41:19 am
I think it is soooo cool that Dupree will be Bi  Louise. Time for the switchhitters to get the hottest guy! [ we always do anyway...sorry boys lol lol lol]

I think you planned it that way...there was something about him from the first.  I was reading his job  interview at theRSr and just...knew.  Ialready knew completely and acceopted it as well at his age, but I  relate to Dupree anyway. Very str8, very cool, very much in control and actually..wrong on 3 counts. Dupree's 'cool' is self control...he is str8 but not, and he is not in the control zone, he just projects that he is. Still, nice & cool dude with good $%^&*(). lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 06:08:37 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 16, 2006, 04:41:19 am
I think it is soooo cool that Dupree will be Bi  Louise. Time for the switchhitters to get the hottest guy! [ we always do anyway...sorry boys lol lol lol]

I think you planned it that way...there was something about him from the first.  I was reading his job  interview at theRSr and just...knew.  Ialready knew completely and acceopted it as well at his age, but I  relate to Dupree anyway. Very str8, very cool, very much in control and actually..wrong on 3 counts. Dupree's 'cool' is self control...he is str8 but not, and he is not in the control zone, he just projects that he is. Still, nice & cool dude with good $%^&*(). lol

with good ... what?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 16, 2006, 06:10:11 am
Quote from: louisev on November 16, 2006, 06:08:37 am
with good ... what?

I think he meant "common sense"  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 16, 2006, 06:13:35 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 15, 2006, 08:20:49 pm
I'd also like to see Ennis and Ellery take another holiday together  :)

Another story suggestion

What if Ellery has to attend a three-day police conference in New York or Hawaii or some other exotic venue and takes Ennis along as an accompanying person. It would be great to see them in an urban venue and watch Ennis reactions.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 16, 2006, 06:14:54 am
that;s for the AUTHOR to say, not a mere fan! lol

But that boy has a fiiiine pair of buttocks
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 16, 2006, 06:15:27 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 16, 2006, 12:48:38 am
Umm..I don't think I'll be allowed to post such a pic here at Bettermost, Jo!   ;D
Thanks for the mental image though!  8)

Depends on how big you make the bow Milli!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 16, 2006, 06:17:34 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 16, 2006, 03:47:07 am

And also  - Ennis and Ellery five years down the line, still going strong, bickering, making us laugh and having great smex!


What if as part of the five-year down the track scenario Ellery is made sheriff!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 16, 2006, 06:21:16 am
Quote from: louisev on November 15, 2006, 06:52:05 pm
ok, tell ya what I'm gonna do.

I should know by the end of the day Friday if I am going to Portland.


Sigh! My evil plan is foiled once again!  ::)

Then again yourself and Leslie would definately be an inspiring combination.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 07:00:45 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 16, 2006, 06:13:35 am
Another story suggestion

What if Ellery has to attend a three-day police conference in New York or Hawaii or some other exotic venue and takes Ennis along as an accompanying person. It would be great to see them in an urban venue and watch Ennis reactions.

I was thinking along the same lines, Jo. I'd love this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 07:04:48 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 16, 2006, 06:17:34 am
What if as part of the five-year down the track scenario Ellery is made sheriff!

And I'd love this too and what would be good too is to see  Esteban settled, reliable and happy once again in the Laramie police station.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 16, 2006, 07:11:36 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 07:04:48 am
And I'd love this too and what would be good too is to see  Esteban settled, reliable and happy once again in the Laramie police station.

Yeah - I'd like to see the vibe that Esteban and Ellery have. They were partners after all, and even if they weren't close socially you have to have quite a special connection with someone when you spend the time watching each other's backs and supporting each other in that kind of environment.

I'd like to see how Ennis and Esteban interact too. Esteban has known Ellery a long time and has probably seen him throught some difficult times.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 16, 2006, 07:15:09 am
Oh there has been so much going on here since last night!!!  Louise, great idea to get some plot-bunnies for more LS.....although I cant seem to come up with anything original of my own, unfortunately, but I do like the idea of Ennis and Ellery having a holiday without any interruptions, and I really like the idea of Ellery having to attend a Police convention and taking Ennis with him, really like that.

I think Lori's idea is good too, about them having to talk about the really serious stuff to do with POA and all that.  Its serious but its also a sign of how committed they are to each other, and that just makes me swell with happiness.

Its all Ennis and Ellery for me though, as much as I love Dupree, and I do, I just want as much Ennis and Ellery goodness as you can throw at us.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 16, 2006, 07:16:46 am
You know, its my birthday today.   :)  But dont ask me how old I am, I'm in denial.  :(

But as a little treat to myself, I am going to be seeing Ellery tonight.   ;)  Yes, Hugh Jackman is starring in a film called "The Prestige" with  Christian Bale (aka Batman) and I am going to drool and swoon over him, which I think is a perfect way to spend a birthday evening, dont you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 16, 2006, 07:30:54 am
Happy birthday Christie!!

Spending the day with Hugh Jackman is the perfect way to spend the day !!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 16, 2006, 07:31:40 am
Congratulations Christie!!
have a wonderful day  :)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 07:37:01 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 16, 2006, 07:11:36 am
Yeah - I'd like to see the vibe that Esteban and Ellery have. They were partners after all, and even if they weren't close socially you have to have quite a special connection with someone when you spend the time watching each other's backs and supporting each other in that kind of environment.


watching each other's WHATs?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 16, 2006, 07:40:25 am
Quote from: louisev on November 16, 2006, 07:37:01 am
watching each other's WHATs?

LOL  :laugh:

That's not what I meant!  :laugh:

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 16, 2006, 07:42:21 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 16, 2006, 07:30:54 am
Happy birthday Christie!!

Spending the day with Hugh Jackman is the perfect way to spend the day !!

Thank you. 

Thats exactly what I thought.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 16, 2006, 08:12:03 am
Happy Birthday Christie!

    Enjoy Hugh in the movie. Now close your eyes and pretent you're blowing.......out the birthday candle!     ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 08:15:37 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 16, 2006, 08:12:03 am
Happy Birthday Christie!

    Enjoy Hugh in the movie. Now close your eyes and pretent you're blowing.......out the birthday candle!     ::)

Oh, just a little reminder. I posted this in the Hugh Hugh Hugh! thread - in a recent interview about the Prestige, the Australian interviewer said "I noticed they managed to get your shirt off in that film too."  And Hugh smiled and said "It's standard in the contract now."

I loved that:  Every film with Hugh in it now comes standard with at least one bare chest shot!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 08:15:58 am
Have a wonderful B'day Christie! And enjoy your evening  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 16, 2006, 08:36:19 am
Christie, happy birthday!  Have a wonderful day.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on November 16, 2006, 08:54:09 am
Plot ideas, So many interesting suggestions !!

I like Lori's thoughts on the formalization legally of there union and all that concerns.

My own idea, Would be a holiday away from Laramie.  Say a mid winter vacation to a place with a beach, like south Florida.  Ennis has never flown and that could be a hoot for Ellery to try and get Ennis on the plane.  Ennis has never seen the ocean.  And it is a really cool experience for folks who have never been to the beach. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 09:02:01 am
Quote from: christie wood on November 16, 2006, 07:15:09 am
Oh there has been so much going on here since last night!!!  Louise, great idea to get some plot-bunnies for more LS.....although I cant seem to come up with anything original of my own, unfortunately, but I do like the idea of Ennis and Ellery having a holiday without any interruptions, and I really like the idea of Ellery having to attend a Police convention and taking Ennis with him, really like that.

I think Lori's idea is good too, about them having to talk about the really serious stuff to do with POA and all that.  Its serious but its also a sign of how committed they are to each other, and that just makes me swell with happiness.

Its all Ennis and Ellery for me though, as much as I love Dupree, and I do, I just want as much Ennis and Ellery goodness as you can throw at us.   :)


Completly agree with all that Christie. Lovely ideas. Afternoon all btw, ello June. ;) :-* Why cant I see my avatar? I can see everyone elses but mine is a box with a red cross. Wheres my gorgeous Ellery gone? :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on November 16, 2006, 09:03:56 am
The damn broke,  I think a story about the guys first Christmas together would be awesome.  So many ways to go,  Wes and Edna, Turkey .... and any story about Ennis / Elley and the girls is cool. And Lastly,  What if for a change Wes and Edna needed the guys.  They have always been there for E & E.  Thanks Louise...
Whatever you come up with will be both entertaining and important.  

I made a statement earlier that the sage was without Soap Opera storyline cliches.
We have seen the characters grow and develope and inturn I have grown and laughed and cried.  Keep up the good work!  

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 09:04:34 am
I can see your avatar, Souxi.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 16, 2006, 09:07:18 am
Quote from: louisev on November 16, 2006, 09:04:34 am
I can see your avatar, Souxi.

Me too,and Ellery looks gorgeous!!!!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 16, 2006, 09:07:53 am
Quote from: gn411 on November 16, 2006, 09:03:56 am
The damn broke,  I think a story about the guys first Christmas together would be awesome.  So many ways to go,  Wes and Edna, Turkey .... and any story about Ennis / Elley and the girls is cool. And Lastly,  What if for a change Wes and Edna needed the guys.  They have always been there for E & E.  Thanks Louise...
Whatever you come up with will be both entertaining and important.  

I made a statement earlier that the sage was without Soap Opera storyline cliches.
We have seen the characters grow and develope and inturn I have grown and laughed and cried.  Keep up the good work!  



Oh I like the idea of christmas for Ennis and Ellery, that would be really special.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 16, 2006, 09:09:36 am
Quote from: louisev on November 16, 2006, 08:15:37 am
Oh, just a little reminder. I posted this in the Hugh Hugh Hugh! thread - in a recent interview about the Prestige, the Australian interviewer said "I noticed they managed to get your shirt off in that film too."  And Hugh smiled and said "It's standard in the contract now."

I loved that:  Every film with Hugh in it now comes standard with at least one bare chest shot!

I love that too...so I'll get to see Ellery's, sorry Hugh's bare chest tonight....oh my, is it time to go home yet?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 16, 2006, 09:11:39 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 16, 2006, 08:12:03 am
Happy Birthday Christie!

    Enjoy Hugh in the movie. Now close your eyes and pretent you're blowing.......out the birthday candle!     ::)

Thanks David, I often close my eyes and think about doing something like that...amongst other things.  You know, like blowing out the birthday candle and eating the cake.  ;)

Thanks for all your lovely birthday greetings, its making my day that little bit brighter!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 16, 2006, 09:12:30 am
Quote from: christie wood on November 16, 2006, 09:09:36 am
I love that too...so I'll get to see Ellery's, sorry Hugh's bare chest tonight....oh my, is it time to go home yet?  ;)

Not yet hon - but anticipation is half the fun!   ;D

Have a wonderful birthday. Pity the weather here is so pants (there's that word again).

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 09:14:47 am
Nope I still cant see it, everyone else but not mine. I,ve refreshed the page over and over and I still cant see my gorgeous Ellery. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 09:16:14 am
Happy birthday Christie!

Enjoy Hugh for me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 09:18:42 am
Quote from: souxi on November 16, 2006, 09:14:47 am
Nope I still cant see it, everyone else but not mine. I,ve refreshed the page over and over and I still cant see my gorgeous Ellery. :'( :'( :'( :'(

you may want to log out delete the cookies for your browser, and then log back in again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 09:19:11 am
Happy birthday Christie.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 09:29:58 am
Well I,ve deleted cookies but all its done is ruin my favourites list lol and I still cant see my avatar. >:( Why? It was perfectly ok until today. God knows why, I give up. I shall end up throwing my pc out of the window soon. :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 09:44:41 am
Quote from: souxi on November 16, 2006, 09:29:58 am
Well I,ve deleted cookies but all its done is ruin my favourites list lol and I still cant see my avatar. >:( Why? It was perfectly ok until today. God knows why, I give up. I shall end up throwing my pc out of the window soon. :'( :'(

Awwwwwww  :-*

*I* can see him perfectly well!!!  :P

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Phillip Dampier on November 16, 2006, 09:46:06 am
Quote from: souxi on November 16, 2006, 09:29:58 am
Well I,ve deleted cookies but all its done is ruin my favourites list lol and I still cant see my avatar. >:( Why? It was perfectly ok until today. God knows why, I give up. I shall end up throwing my pc out of the window soon. :'( :'(

The issue isn't with your cookies, it's with your browser cache or your ISP.  If you empty your temporary Internet files (or browser cache), it will delete all of the images it has been storing up so that instead of having the site resend you picture files you already have, it will just load them off your computer.  Unfortunately, if a picture changes, it can sometimes take days before your browser will actually notice something has changed and transfer the new one.  Sometimes you can bypass this by refreshing the browser page, but not always.

Some ISPs keep copies of our content cached on their own computers, and this can be aggravating because sometimes you won't see new messages or changes as quickly as others will.  There is nothing you can really do about this unless you change Internet providers.

I'd start by emptying your browser cache (not your cookies or favorites) and then refresh the page and see if that works. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 09:55:06 am
yeah, browser cache!  that's what I meant all along!

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 09:58:09 am
Quote from: Phillip on November 16, 2006, 09:46:06 am
The issue isn't with your cookies, it's with your browser cache or your ISP.  If you empty your temporary Internet files (or browser cache), it will delete all of the images it has been storing up so that instead of having the site resend you picture files you already have, it will just load them off your computer.  Unfortunately, if a picture changes, it can sometimes take days before your browser will actually notice something has changed and transfer the new one.  Sometimes you can bypass this by refreshing the browser page, but not always.

Some ISPs keep copies of our content cached on their own computers, and this can be aggravating because sometimes you won't see new messages or changes as quickly as others will.  There is nothing you can really do about this unless you change Internet providers.

I'd start by emptying your browser cache (not your cookies or favorites) and then refresh the page and see if that works. 

Phillip I could kiss you lol. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
There ya go, thanks hun,I can see my gorgeous boy again, now I,m happy lol. Thanks.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 16, 2006, 10:37:56 am
Story thoughts again...

I like the police convention idea. But what if it was in San Francisco and Ellery got them a hotel room in the Castro district? Give Ennis a full on dose of gay life in the 'hood as it were...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 12:45:42 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 16, 2006, 10:37:56 am
Story thoughts again...

I like the police convention idea. But what if it was in San Francisco and Ellery got them a hotel room in the Castro district? Give Ennis a full on dose of gay life in the 'hood as it were...

Leslie

Hahaha great idea Leslie. Can you imagine the look on Ennis, face seeing all those gay guys openly wandering around holding hands......in  public? He wont beleive his eyes. :o :o Hope Milli is working on that pic of Ellery under the tree with the ermmm bow lol. ;) ;) Louise, I hope your not still being kept at work against your will............working??  :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 16, 2006, 12:53:02 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 16, 2006, 12:45:42 pm
Hahaha great idea Leslie. Can you imagine the look on Ennis, face seeing all those gay guys openly wandering around holding hands......in  public? He wont beleive his eyes. :o :o Hope Milli is working on that pic of Ellery under the tree with the ermmm bow lol. ;) ;) Louise, I hope your not still being kept at work against your will............working??  :o :o

LOL.. Ok
I will work on said picture if I can find a bow big enough to wrap the entire package ..  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 12:57:54 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 16, 2006, 12:53:02 pm
LOL.. Ok
I will work on said picture if I can find a bow big enough to wrap the entire package ..  ::)  ;D


Yayyyyyyyyyy good girl lol. But you could leave just a teeny bit peeking out couldnt you?  ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 16, 2006, 01:07:20 pm
Souxi .. there can't be no 'bits' peeking out if I am to post it here ..  :laugh:

Maybe it is best to keep this image a 'mental' one .. lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 01:10:10 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 16, 2006, 01:07:20 pm
Souxi .. there can't be no 'bits' peeking out if I am to post it here ..  :laugh:

Maybe it is best to keep this image a 'mental' one .. lol


Oh come on you cant do that to me lol. Just a teeny weeny, tiny wincy bit? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 01:12:05 pm
Or, heres another brilliant idea I just had.........you could put it on one of those "mens" pics thread,s then you can leave as many bits peeking out as you liked!! How about that?  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 16, 2006, 01:30:03 pm
Souxi - give it up will ya?   ;D  Only Ennis gets to see AND unwrap the lil Jack package ..  ::)
Ok.. enough with this conversation ..lol

Let's talk about Dupree ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 01:42:33 pm
Bravo to you for holding out against the Infamous Souxi, Milli!!!  Now can you teach me how to do that?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 16, 2006, 01:51:36 pm
Louise, I don't think she'll back down that easy, but I'll be strong!   hehe .. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 02:01:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 16, 2006, 01:51:36 pm
Louise, I don't think she'll back down that easy, but I'll be strong!   hehe .. ;D

Now that is soooooooooo unfair..your the one who mentioned the pic in the first place, and now you,ve got my hopes up. Come on, just one teeny weeny itsy bitsy tiddly tiny wincy pic? You can leave his bits covered if you really must... ::)(spoilsport) ;) ;) Come on Milli, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee. (pleads) ;) Go onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 02:04:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 16, 2006, 01:42:33 pm
Bravo to you for holding out against the Infamous Souxi, Milli!!!  Now can you teach me how to do that?

Ahhhhhhhhh Louise, you,ve escaped from work have you? Thats what we like to hear, now you can get down to the important stuff, like our boys and bullying Milli lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 02:05:31 pm
just the idea of Ellery putting a bow on his Johnson has got me wondering how I am going to escape from writing a Laramie Christmas Carol, complete with all the trappings!  Good god people!

And yes, I escaped from work, so yes, I am opening my document....

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 16, 2006, 02:05:56 pm
The lil Jack package...LOL

Ellery: "Ennis, I ain't ever had a Christmas tree. Seems like nothin but a pain in the ass and I'd have pine needles all over the house."

Ennis: "C'mon, Ellery, they're nice....makes ya feel like a family, you and me, sharin our first Christmas."

Ellery: "If ya go on insistin on a tree, I'm tellin ya, I'm gonna wrap myself up and put myself under it for ya."

Ennis: "Put yerself under? You aimin' ta get on the botom, again?"

Ellery: "Sure am, sweetheart, and I'll wrap up lil Jack just for you, complete with a big red bow."

Sorry, Louise, I couldn't resist!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 02:11:49 pm
NOT that I,m nagging or anything(much) but cant you just picture him? Standing there, by the Christmas tree lights, with that lovely long hair, showing off that gorgeous body, all wrapped up just for his honey? *SIGH* Go on, you know ya wanna. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 02:13:13 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 16, 2006, 02:05:56 pm
The lil Jack package...LOL

Ellery: "Ennis, I ain't ever had a Christmas tree. Seems like nothin but a pain in the ass and I'd have pine needles all over the house."

Ennis: "C'mon, Ellery, they're nice....makes ya feel like a family, you and me, sharin our first Christmas."

Ellery: "If ya go on insistin on a tree, I'm tellin ya, I'm gonna wrap myself up and put myself under it for ya."

Ennis: "Put yerself under? You aimin' ta get on the botom, again?"

Ellery: "Sure am, sweetheart, and I'll wrap up lil Jack just for you, complete with a big red bow."

Sorry, Louise, I couldn't resist!

Leslie

Yayyyyyyyyyy Leslie you are a STAR..thank you. woooweeeee. Now she,ll HAVE to do it lol. yippeeee! ;) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 16, 2006, 02:16:39 pm
 Thanks for that Leslie ;D


Look what I found ..  do you think this is big enough, Souxi?  LOL..


(http://rainbows-by-paulette.com/Bow%20Pictures/Basics/Large%20Red%20Bow%20Tie%20Style.gif)


(I really shouldn't be encouraging Souxi, should I?  ::) lol..)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 02:18:05 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 16, 2006, 02:16:39 pm
Thanks for that Leslie ;D


Look what I found ..  do you think this is big enough, Souxi?  LOL..


(http://rainbows-by-paulette.com/Bow%20Pictures/Basics/Large%20Red%20Bow%20Tie%20Style.gif)

Perfect Milli, but erm, theres something missing????? ;) ;) ;) ;D ps. yes you can encourage me to be bad ALL you like lol.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 02:22:17 pm
OMFG ladies! What the hell is going on in here!  ;D  Jeeeeez ~ I'm away for a bit and come back to this!!!  ::)

LOL!

I love it!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 02:27:51 pm
Coooeeeeee ellooo June huni. :-* :-*
Hey me and you could tie the bow on for him couldnt we? NO trouble atall.  We,d have to take turns to erm "hold" it steady, just to make sure the bow didnt slip..*ahem*   ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 16, 2006, 02:35:04 pm
Yeah, we are just having a little Christmas fantasy...trying to get in the holiday spirit....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 02:38:48 pm
good god Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 02:46:53 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 16, 2006, 02:35:04 pm
Yeah, we are just having a little Christmas fantasy...trying to get in the holiday spirit....

L

Heh heh  ;D

Aw ~ come on Louise....you love it too! Just a little?? lol  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 02:48:46 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 16, 2006, 02:27:51 pm
Coooeeeeee ellooo June huni. :-* :-*
Hey me and you could tie the bow on for him couldnt we? NO trouble atall.  We,d have to take turns to erm "hold" it steady, just to make sure the bow didnt slip..*ahem*   ;) ;) ;) ;D

Hmmmm Souxi darlin.....I'm like  :-X  right now. Don't want to get into trouble with the leading lady!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 02:53:16 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 16, 2006, 02:35:04 pm
Yeah, we are just having a little Christmas fantasy...trying to get in the holiday spirit....

L

Exactly, and theres nothing wrong  with that ATALL. Cant wait for our boys to get in the spirit of things under the missletoe. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 16, 2006, 03:07:38 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 16, 2006, 02:53:16 pm
Exactly, and theres nothing wrong  with that ATALL. Cant wait for our boys to get in the spirit of things under the missletoe. ;) ;) ;) ;D
                                                                                                                                                     The best part of christmas is the spirit and the feel... but run run reindeer?  or the fur is gonna fly.......when santa has to put this present in his pack.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 16, 2006, 03:49:15 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 16, 2006, 12:45:42 pm
Hahaha great idea Leslie. Can you imagine the look on Ennis, face seeing all those gay guys openly wandering around holding hands......in  public? He wont beleive his eyes. :o :o Hope Milli is working on that pic of Ellery under the tree with the ermmm bow lol. ;) ;) Louise, I hope your not still being kept at work against your will............working??  :o :o

Alternatively they could come to Sydney for the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras (lots do). Then I could have them both over for dinner! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 04:21:39 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/150085.html  "Chapter 93:  The Arsonist"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 16, 2006, 04:35:25 pm
Right I,m off for nite peeps. Milli it would be very very nice to find a large red bow with a gorgeous man attached to it in the morining when I get back?  ;) ;) ;) ;D Nite peeps, nite June..be good...you know I am. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 04:46:51 pm
ah hahahahaha, gorgeous man with a bow attached!  I love you guys.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 16, 2006, 05:30:56 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 16, 2006, 04:35:25 pm
Right I,m off for nite peeps. Milli it would be very very nice to find a large red bow with a gorgeous man attached to it in the morining when I get back?  ;) ;) ;) ;D Nite peeps, nite June..be good...you know I am. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

LOL..Souxi, the only thing you'll find that is large and red ... is this hat on Ellery's head ..  ::) .. lol


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/6ad4d166.jpg)


 .. as he gets ready for his first Christmas with Ennis.  Ok, Souxi?   ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 05:44:41 pm
Heeeee! Milli! that's a great pic!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 16, 2006, 06:06:04 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 05:44:41 pm
Heeeee! Milli! that's a great pic!

Wanna bet that Souxi disagrees?  LOL.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 16, 2006, 06:23:53 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 16, 2006, 06:06:04 pm
Wanna bet that Souxi disagrees?  LOL.


Hell yes!! LOLLOL!

She'll be grumbling like crazy!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 07:26:34 pm
why, because it's a santa hat and not a bow on his little Jack?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: dragonlady on November 16, 2006, 07:27:10 pm
hi, I have been lurking for a long time and have started reading this story, but its pretty big and the LJ is hard to wade through.  Does anyone have it in word form?  (all 6 of them?)  if you do can you email them to me at [email protected]?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 16, 2006, 07:41:45 pm
Quote from: dragonlady on November 16, 2006, 07:27:10 pm
hi, I have been lurking for a long time and have started reading this story, but its pretty big and the LJ is hard to wade through.  Does anyone have it in word form?  (all 6 of them?)  if you do can you email them to me at [email protected]?

Thanks.

"Taking Chances" is available in an indexable form on my website:

www.zebratta.com.
It is much easier to navigate than LJ.  Try that.

You are aliceathome from DC, right?  When did you become a Laramie Saga fan?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 03:33:28 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 16, 2006, 06:06:04 pm
Wanna bet that Souxi disagrees?  LOL.


You wanna bet right! Now look ere, you, yes you misssy, ;), mentioned the pic of Ellery under the tree with a bow on his erm, "bits". So now all I want for christmas is just that. That pic is lovely yes, but theres just one tiny wincy teeny tiddly thing wrong with it hun...he,s got CLOTHES on.!! Now come on Milli, hop to it, get his clothes OFF and get that bow on, I know you can do it, and you just know ya wanna, dont you? eh? eh? eh? Mornin all btw, mornin June. ;) ;) :-* Here I was, getting all excited, thinking I,d be greeted by a naked man first thing in the morning. :'( :'( Take pity on poor Souxi, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
(hopes if she blows enough kisses at Milli and creeps she,ll do it) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 03:34:38 am
Quote from: louisev on November 16, 2006, 07:26:34 pm
why, because it's a santa hat and not a bow on his little Jack?

Exactly. pfffttt!!! I want a bow, I want a bow, I want a bow, I want a bow..etc etc etc..... ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 17, 2006, 03:47:20 am
Mornin Souxi!  ;D


 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 03:55:51 am
Now look ere..something just occured to me here young missy. You posted this pic... so why, cant poor Souxi have a pic of that GORGEOUS man, in all his GORGEOUS glory, with a bow on? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Is that enough creeping kisses do ya think? And all he,s got in this is soapsuds covering his wotsit, so whats the difference with a bow, eh? eh? eh? (prays) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on November 17, 2006, 04:02:48 am



Is that taken straight from "How to Win Friends and Influence People"?! ;)



(original post modified: point well taken.  L.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 17, 2006, 05:00:43 am
Quote from: souxi on November 17, 2006, 03:34:38 am
Exactly. pfffttt!!! I want a bow, I want a bow, I want a bow, I want a bow..etc etc etc..... ;) ;) ;) ;D
But ...

I did post a bow for you already.  i did!  I did!  ;D

Time for some zzz's people!  ciao ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 17, 2006, 05:03:17 am
Quote from: merrobot on November 17, 2006, 04:02:48 am
Is that taken straight from "How to Win Friends and Influence People"?! ;)
O..MY...GAWD HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 17, 2006, 05:06:00 am
Oh btw Louise ~

Looking forward to a bit of Dupree today!  8)  hehe..

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 05:23:21 am
Milli, I did NOT say "Today"!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 05:27:59 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 17, 2006, 05:00:43 am
But ...

I did post a bow for you already.  i did!  I did!  ;D

Time for some zzz's people!  ciao ..

Yes you did, but there wasnt Ellery attached to it. :'( Come on missy, hop to it, get that bow tied on please. ;) ;D Look if it helps, chant:::  " I must tie a bow on Ellery,s bits for Souxi" ten times at least and see if that helps lol.  ;D Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 05:40:18 am
Milli is working on it:  she has contacted Hugh's agent at Endeavour who is negotiating a price for a photo session "with bow" in New York after he finishes up filming of "The Tourist."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 17, 2006, 05:46:57 am
On the Batman forums, Hugh’s name has been suggested by some Batman fans to be one of the villains in the Batman Sequel – The Dark Knight and the third Batman film.  I have been thinking if he was indeed cast, it is possible since he has worked for Christopher Nolan in The Prestige, I’ll be on cloud nine to see Heath and Hugh face off in this movie.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 17, 2006, 05:48:07 am
I went back 10 chapters, because I must have been so tired i missed something crucial. A Second Chance.

After rereading one of them ---chapter 42, 'An Internal Affair'-- i wanted to compliment the author. This is a superbly brief and  to the point, very accurate description of how a budding scandal would be handled in a police dept run by a good HONEST chief loyal to his men.

way to go louise!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 05:52:51 am
Quote from: louisev on November 17, 2006, 05:40:18 am
Milli is working on it:  she has contacted Hugh's agent at Endeavour who is negotiating a price for a photo session "with bow" in New York after he finishes up filming of "The Tourist."

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  Louise that is priceless. I,m in tears laughing here lol.  ;D Well while she,s at it then, couldnt she just slip Hughs agent the word copy of LS and the link to the gallery?? Just imagine his face!!! :o :o :o :o :o
Woooweeee. Bring on that bow lol. Hey, I tell you what, if you like, I am MORE than happy to put my finger in the right erm, *ahem* place, to hold the bow still whist Milli is tying it..just to make sure it doesnt slip off. *ahem*. Good idea or what?
 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 06:03:12 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 17, 2006, 05:48:07 am
I went back 10 chapters, because I must have been so tired i missed something crucial. A Second Chance.

After rereading one of them ---chapter 42, 'An Internal Affair'-- i wanted to compliment the author. This is a superbly brief and  to the point, very accurate description of how a budding scandal would be handled in a police dept run by a good HONEST chief loyal to his men.

way to go louise!!!

why thank you, Joe JACK! I meant Jack!  For some reason I keep reading your name as Brokebackjoe!  Couldn't you just change your name to Brokebackjoe ... just for me ?

And it has the critical punchline:  "Why go for chocolate when you can have bran?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 06:24:26 am
Ennis’ Ears

Ennis’ ears
are a bit of a worry
Why oh why
he just won’t hurry
to the doc to get them tested
Maybe they are flea infested
Maybe its wax
Maybe it hair
What are the facts?
What does he care?
Has he got ringing?
Is he dizzy?
Tingaling linging
All a tizzy
Will he get his ears syringed
before we all become unhinged?
Ellery nags to no avail
to see the doctor without fail
Don’t fret too much
or get all breathless
Ennis suffers disco deafness!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 17, 2006, 06:31:59 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 17, 2006, 05:06:00 am
Oh btw Louise ~

Looking forward to a bit of Dupree today!  8)  hehe..



Mmmm    I wouldn't mind a bit of Dupree today either.    ;D

<wipes drool from corner of mouth>



*Maybe Dupree needs to go over to E&E's house one morning (on business reasons of course)   and accidently see the two of them going at it wild like thru the window?    He might become frozen in his tracks and when they are done , he realizes he was arroused by the sight of them.     That would shake him up wouldn't it?   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 06:35:31 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 06:24:26 am
Ennis’ Ears
or get all breathless
Ennis suffers disco deafness!




hahaha, disco deafness!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 06:37:18 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 17, 2006, 06:31:59 am
Mmmm    I wouldn't mind a bit of Dupree today either.    ;D

<wipes drool from corner of mouth>



*Maybe Dupree needs to go over to E&E's house one morning (on business reasons of course)   and accidently see the two of them going at it wild like thru the window?    He might become frozen in his tracks and when they are done , he realizes he was arroused by the sight of them.     That would shake him up wouldn't it?   

Say, why don't I wrote a chapter where David is a traveling Bible salesmen who just happens to be passing through on a Tuesday evening and sees the two of them going at it wild like through the window?  He'd become frozen in his tracks, and when they're done, he rings the doorbell and says in a forlorn voice of unbridled lust:  'Where can I get a man ta do that ta ME?'
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 06:38:25 am
Quote from: souxi on November 17, 2006, 05:52:51 am
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  Louise that is priceless. I,m in tears laughing here lol.  ;D Well while she,s at it then, couldnt she just slip Hughs agent the word copy of LS and the link to the gallery?? Just imagine his face!!! :o :o :o :o :o
Woooweeee. Bring on that bow lol. Hey, I tell you what, if you like, I am MORE than happy to put my finger in the right erm, *ahem* place, to hold the bow still whist Milli is tying it..just to make sure it doesnt slip off. *ahem*. Good idea or what?
 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

sorry, Souxi - you're not in the union.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 17, 2006, 06:45:52 am
Quote from: louisev on November 17, 2006, 06:37:18 am
Say, why don't I wrote a chapter where David is a traveling Bible salesmen who just happens to be passing through on a Tuesday evening and sees the two of them going at it wild like through the window?  He'd become frozen in his tracks, and when they're done, he rings the doorbell and says in a forlorn voice of unbridled lust:  'Where can I get a man ta do that ta ME?'


Ha ha ha ha!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 17, 2006, 06:58:47 am
Quote from: louisev on November 17, 2006, 06:37:18 am
Say, why don't I wrote a chapter where David is a traveling Bible salesmen who just happens to be passing through on a Tuesday evening and sees the two of them going at it wild like through the window?  He'd become frozen in his tracks, and when they're done, he rings the doorbell and says in a forlorn voice of unbridled lust:  'Where can I get a man ta do that ta ME?'

That's a very good idea, a guest appearance by David!  I bet your statcount will explode if you wrote this chapter.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 17, 2006, 07:16:05 am
Quote from: yb on November 17, 2006, 06:58:47 am
That's a very good idea, a guest appearance by David!  I bet your statcount will explode if you wrote this chapter.



Hey, remember yesterday's toppic about additional story lines?

Now, THAT could be interesting....  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 07:32:08 am
Quote from: souxi on November 17, 2006, 05:52:51 am
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  Louise that is priceless. I,m in tears laughing here lol.  ;D Well while she,s at it then, couldnt she just slip Hughs agent the word copy of LS and the link to the gallery?? Just imagine his face!!! :o :o :o :o :o
Woooweeee. Bring on that bow lol. Hey, I tell you what, if you like, I am MORE than happy to put my finger in the right erm, *ahem* place, to hold the bow still whist Milli is tying it..just to make sure it doesnt slip off. *ahem*. Good idea or what?
 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

Souxi darlin,

I believe I wrote the little bow drabble that got all this talk started, so I should have the right of first refusal to assist with the bow tying....and I ain't refusing!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 17, 2006, 07:33:54 am
 :o  Bible salesman?       :o

Maybe a vacuum cleaner salesman.

<Ding Dong>

Ennis opens the door

"Can I see the lady of the house?"

Ennis: "Um, she's out.  Besides, I do the cleanin round here.  Whatta-ya selling?"

"Can I show you something with powerful suction Sir?"      ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 17, 2006, 07:52:44 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 17, 2006, 07:33:54 am
:o  Bible salesman?       :o

Maybe a vacuum cleaner salesman.

<Ding Dong>

Ennis opens the door

"Can I see the lady of the house?"

Ennis: "Um, she's out.  Besides, I do the cleanin round here.  Whatta-ya selling?"

"Can I show you something with powerful suction Sir?"      ;D

David!  :laugh:

That certainly brightened up my morning!  :laugh:

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 07:54:30 am
Quote from: louisev on November 17, 2006, 06:38:25 am
sorry, Souxi - you're not in the union.

Can I join it then? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 07:56:19 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 07:32:08 am
Souxi darlin,

I believe I wrote the little bow drabble that got all this talk started, so I should have the right of first refusal to assist with the bow tying....and I ain't refusing!

Leslie

Maybe he could have two bows then. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 08:22:08 am
News and information, as well as helpful user hints, for fan readers of the Laramie Saga who have been added to my private Friends group.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/150456.html

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 08:26:27 am
A few months ago, I posted a conversation between Heath Ledger and his agent about appearing in the Laramie Saga. For anyone who wants to relive that conversation, it can be found here:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2833.msg83999#msg83999

Meanwhile, I have it on a very good source that Heath is definitely interested in reprising his role as Ennis. Being the good little spy I am, I was able to get a transcript of the conversation. Enjoy!

The phone on the corner of the desk rang, and Joe reached out a long arm. “Yeah?”

“Mr. Albierti, it’s Heath Ledger on Line 1,” came the cool voice of the receptionist.

“Heath? Great,” he said, jamming the button. “Heath, it’s Joe! Great to hear from you.”

“Joe, glad I got you—you have a minute to talk?”

“’Course I do, Heath. That’s all I do. What’s up?”

“Well, I wanted to get back to you on The Laramie Saga. Remember, that story you gave me to read a few months ago?”

“Oh, yeah, that…what do you think?”

“I think it’s good,” said Heath. “Like you said, it’s a really good story—nice sequel to Brokeback. Ennis gets a life, finds a lover…”

“Yeah, I know the story, I read it. Lots of action, too. Kidnapping, murders. Whoever we get to direct will have fun with it. So, you interested?”

“Yeah, I am. I was wondering, has anyone approached Jackman?’

“They have and they are having some preliminary conversations.”

“Just preliminary?”

“Well, there are a few hurdles to get over. Standard in the contract is a chest shot. Obviously we need to go for more.”

Heath chuckled. “Yeah, that’s true.” He paused, then, “Well, I hope he comes on board, because I really think he’s perfect for the part.”

“I am sure there are plenty of other tall, dark, and handsome types out there we could consider. What about Eric Bana? Or Russell Crowe?”

“No, no, all wrong,” said Heath. “It’s gotta be Jackman.”

“Why are you so hot on Jackman?” asked Joe, puzzled.

“Well,” said Heath, “as part of my reading the story, I started doing a little research, to try to learn more."

Joe laughed softly. “That’s my boy. Always doing research. Remember when you started reading up on Casanova only to find out it was a fluff piece?”

“Don’t remind me. Anyway, as part of this, I discovered this forum called Bettermost and they have a thread for the story.”

“A thread?”

“Yeah, you know, like a discussion group. It’s called Ennis and Ellery.”

“Oh yeah, I remember that. That’s where we got the idea for Jackman in the first place.”

“Yeah, right. Well, I have been spending a lot of time on the thread, reading stuff, along with reading the story.”

“You’ve been on the thread?”

“Yeah, I lurk as a guest. There have been some days I have been really tempted to register and post, but I thought that probably wasn’t such a good idea.”

Joe laughed out loud at this. “No, probably not. So, anyway, what’s on this thread?”

“You name it, it’s there. Pictures, recipes, photo stories, poems…people flirt with each other….once in a while, they talk seriously about the story.”

“Just once in a while?”

“It seems like they are having too much fun with other stuff, to be honest. I mean, when the story has a serious part, they’ll talk a lot about that. The whole part where Ennis and Ellery go back to Brokeback…that generated a bunch of good conversations.”

“I don’t remember that part,” said Joe.

“Oh right, you probably wouldn’t. That was in the fifth book. When you gave it to me to read, there were only three books. The author is writing the sixth one now.”

“There are six? And you kept reading?”

“Yeah,” said Heath, his voice sheepish. “I told you, I really got hooked on this story. That is part of the reason why I lurk on the Ennis and Ellery thread. She posts her updates there first.”

Joe laughed. “You are too much, Ledger. I can’t believe you are hooked on fanfic.”

“I told you, it’s a really good story. The other day they posted a thank you to the author, Louise. I really wished my name could have been there. HAL…I could be anonymous.”

“You wouldn’t be anonymous, Heath. Just as well, I am sure Louise knows she has a lot of silent readers. So,” he paused, “what’s next?”

“Well, I’m on board. I guess the next step is to get Hugh to commit…and commit to more than a bare chest.”

“You’re saying, you’re willing to do the nasty? Get up close and personal with Hugh Jackman?”

“I am,” said Heath. “In fact, I’m looking forward to it.”

Leslie



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 08:28:51 am
only one problem there:  Hugh's agent is a woman - the same agent he has had since he signed on with Endeavour in Sydney lo these many years ago in um, 1996 or something.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 08:29:34 am
Quote from: louisev on November 17, 2006, 08:28:51 am
only one problem there:  Hugh's agent is a woman - the same agent he has had since he signed on with Endeavour in Sydney lo these many years ago in um, 1996 or something.


er; whoops - this is Heath and his agent!  sowwy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 09:14:30 am
Siouxi darlin, just for you... Merry Christmas!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/showeerbowcopy.jpg)


Thank God for teenagers who know how to use photoshop!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 09:16:05 am
oh my goodness, Leslie - you showed that photo to your TEENAGE DAUGHTER?

from the expression on Ennis's face I can see him saying "This is MY Christmas present!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 09:40:51 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 09:14:30 am
Siouxi darlin, just for you... Merry Christmas!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/showeerbowcopy.jpg)


Thank God for teenagers who know how to use photoshop!

L

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy bless your heart Leslie thank you. wooooweeeeeee! Thats all I wanted, now I,m happy lol.  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 09:42:45 am
Quote from: louisev on November 17, 2006, 09:16:05 am
oh my goodness, Leslie - you showed that photo to your TEENAGE DAUGHTER?

from the expression on Ennis's face I can see him saying "This is MY Christmas present!"

Well, I could say that she explained what to do and I did it but...yeah, she saw the picture. To be honest, she was kind of like, "Eh, yeah, mom's obssessed, so what else is new?" LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 09:43:23 am
Quote from: souxi on November 17, 2006, 09:40:51 am
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy bless your heart Leslie thank you. wooooweeeeeee! Thats all I wanted, now I,m happy lol.  ;) ;) ;D

We aim to please!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 09:45:09 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 17, 2006, 07:16:05 am
Hey, remember yesterday's toppic about additional story lines?

Now, THAT could be interesting....  :)



A thought on story lines. Bear in mind I know NOTHING about gay marriage outside of the UK. What year was gay marriage made legal in certain parts of the states? I,m thinking weddings here obviously.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 09:46:36 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 09:42:45 am
Well, I could say that she explained what to do and I did it but...yeah, she saw the picture. To be honest, she was kind of like, "Eh, yeah, mom's obssessed, so what else is new?" LOL

L

Leslie forgive me if this is a dumb question, I have no idea how old your daughter is..has she read ALBFS?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 09:59:55 am
Quote from: souxi on November 17, 2006, 09:46:36 am
Leslie forgive me if this is a dumb question, I have no idea how old your daughter is..has she read ALBFS?

My daughter is 15.

She actually read the first few pages and then when the first sexual reference came up, she opted to stop. She was very nice about it, just said she didn't feel like she was ready to read that sort of stuff.

She has a good sense of what the story is about...the Lazy L, Hal, etc., since I have talked about it. She did the "Jenny" drawing for me, too.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 10:08:20 am
Quote from: souxi on November 17, 2006, 09:45:09 am
A thought on story lines. Bear in mind I no NOTHING about gay marriage outside of the UK. What year was gay marriage made legal in certain parts of the states? I,m thinking weddings here obviously.

Same sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts and became legal on May 17, 2004. It is the only state in the US where same sex marriage is legal. There are a few states (Vermont is one) that permit civil unions.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 10:08:40 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 17, 2006, 06:31:59 am

<wipes drool from corner of mouth>


David you are a caution.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 10:35:03 am
With just a bit of meaty discussion...or pictures, or recipes, or whatever....20 to be exact...we'll hit 7000 posts today!

Whoo-wee!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 17, 2006, 10:41:11 am
And of course, since (I think) 2002, marriages have been legal in Ontario, and British Colombia, in Canada, and again since 2004(I think) throughout the country ... as a result a the charter of rights, brought to fruition in the early 1980's, when Pierre Trudeau was still prime minister.

So, Ennis might wanna take a visit ta Church street here in Taranna (aka, Toronto, to most everyone else)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 10:50:36 am
Sheriff "Yer cyber-hotty pimp" Roland you are a caution too. 8) 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 12:03:32 pm
Who have really engaged with the tragedy of Brokeback Mountain?

1.   Those who allowed themselves to experience the reality of Jack’s death and his disappearance from the world and felt so devastated by what this tragedy meant in human terms and by the pain of Jack’s death they needed psychological healing.

2.   Those who refuse to read Dead!Jack stories, deny the reality of Jack’s death preferring to believe that Jack somehow survived. 

3.   Those for whom the story and Ennis’ life come to a dead end with Jack’s death.

The first group can read a story about how Ennis moves on because they have allowed themselves to face up to and feel the pain of his loss and grief, as well as their own as witness to this, and try to work through it.

The second group can never read such a thing because they cannot admit that Jack is dead let alone that Ennis might also work through his grief and loss to find a new life for himself. They have no need for healing because they never grieved Jack’s death.They have no need to grieve for Ennis because Ennis never lost Jack.

The third group can never read such a thing because Ennis only exists as an individual in terms of his relationship with Jack.

Groups 2 and 3 assert that they are the upholders of Annie’s vision in writing this story. Proulx’s story was one of loss. Where is the loss? Proulx’s capacity to create vivid characterization and Ang Lee's rendering of the evolution of Ennis’ character invite us to consider how his further development might unfold after the shock of Jack’s death. Where is this development?

Groups 2 and 3 also consider that Ennis' maturing sexuality and the representation of this with his new partner as debasing his character. Every sexual permutation in the book is allowed between two relatively unsophisticated country guys if those guys happen to be Ennis and Jack. What’s cool between them suddenly becomes something tawdry between Ennis and Ellery. No mystery as to the reason why.

So we have denial on one hand and a psychological dead end on the other. What a choice!

To actually mention the fact that Jack died is bad enough. To entertain the notion that Ennis might be allowed an existence and purpose without Jack invites excommunication.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 17, 2006, 12:50:32 pm
Hahaha..
I am laughing my head off here!

- Leslie -  That bow looks stunning on Ellery!!  :laugh:  Souxi can finally rest easy .. pheeewww ...  right Souxi ?!  :P ;D

- David - You've gone and done it now!  I will always think of you as the travelling vacuum-salesman with out-of-this-world suction!  :laugh: :laugh:  You guys are too much for me!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 01:08:16 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 17, 2006, 12:50:32 pm
Hahaha..
I am laughing my head off here!

- Leslie -  That bow looks stunning on Ellery!!  :laugh:  Souxi can finally rest easy .. pheeewww ...  right Souxi ?!  :P ;D

- David - You've gone and done it now!  I will always think of you as the travelling vacuum-salesman with out-of-this-world suction!  :laugh: :laugh:  You guys are too much for me!

Yup, you see I just knew if I nagged enough someone would do it for me just to shut me up lol. ;D Doesnt he look lovely with it? bless him. *SIGH*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 17, 2006, 01:16:39 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 12:03:32 pm
Who have really engaged with the tragedy of Brokeback Mountain?

1.   Those who allowed themselves to experience the reality of Jack’s death and his disappearance from the world and felt so devastated by what this tragedy meant in human terms and by the pain of Jack’s death they needed psychological healing.

2.   Those who refuse to read Dead!Jack stories, deny the reality of Jack’s death preferring to believe that Jack somehow survived. 

3.   Those for whom the story and Ennis’ life come to a dead end with Jack’s death.

I've had conversations with people in the 3) group, and some make an honest case for Ennis' getting involved with anyone else as being essentially out of character. I can respect that view, though I don't share it.

But to save my life, I never can figure out how people who wax hysterical at being reminded of the story and film's actual ending can call themselves BBM fans. It's a little like billing one's self as a Titanic fan and leaving 3/4 of the way into the movie because you don't want to see the ship sink!

Quote
Groups 2 and 3 assert that they are the upholders of Annie’s vision in writing this story. Proulx’s story was one of loss. Where is the loss? Proulx’s capacity to create vivid characterization and Ang Lee's rendering of the evolution of Ennis’ character invite us to consider how his further development might unfold after the shock of Jack’s death. Where is this development?

Groups 2 and 3 also consider that Ennis' maturing sexuality and the representation of this with his new partner as debasing his character. Every sexual permutation in the book is allowed between two relatively unsophisticated country guys if those guys happen to be Ennis and Jack. What’s cool between them suddenly becomes something tawdry between Ennis and Ellery. No mystery as to the reason why.

Yes; for some it's apparently A-OK to depict fisting, golden showers, domestic violence and murder, Ennis as a hit man, Jack as a truck stop whore, etc. but a loving, monogamous relationship between Ennis and another man after Jack is dead (yes, that did happen in the original story, people; deal with it!) -- OMG, cover my eyes, I can't look! Annie would be outraged!

There's something more than a little irrational going on here.  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 01:28:12 pm
I wrote in one of my private essays that only two weeks before writing the first chapter of "Taking Chances", I posted a statement saying I could not envision a situation in which Ennis could find another relationship after Jack's death.

However - my friendship with a man who went through the devastating loss of a lifelong love and found first comfort and then a new, full-blown love relationship with another man (in this case it was only 9 months later, but while he was still in the throes of a crippling depression over his partner's death) convinced me that my view was limited.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 01:34:28 pm
Quote from: Marge_Innavera on November 17, 2006, 01:16:39 pm

Yes; for some it's apparently A-OK to depict fisting, golden showers, domestic violence and murder, Ennis as a hit man, Jack as a truck stop whore, etc. but a loving, monogamous relationship between Ennis and another man after Jack is dead (yes, that did happen in the original story, people; deal with it!) -- OMG, cover my eyes, I can't look! Annie would be outraged!

There's something more than a little irrational going on here.  8)

This is so true....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 02:08:01 pm
Well the weather over here is terrible. It,s pouring with rain, the wind is blowing a gale and it,s orrible, absolutly orrible. :( So what we need is some of our boys to warm us all up. ;D Do you think Louise has managed to escape from work yet??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 02:10:30 pm
BTW Where is June?  Dont think I,ve seen her all day. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 17, 2006, 02:15:14 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 12:03:32 pm
Who have really engaged with the tragedy of Brokeback Mountain?


Amen to that, Jo!   
That calls for a pic I posted a while back ..  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/5e4d275c.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 02:31:58 pm
yes I escaped from work, and am typity typing as we speak!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 17, 2006, 02:42:26 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 17, 2006, 06:31:59 am
Mmmm    I wouldn't mind a bit of Dupree today either.    ;D

<wipes drool from corner of mouth> 

hint hint ... umm.. I mean  'here here..'  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 03:23:02 pm
Update!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/150538.html  "Chapter 94:  Hear No Evil"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 17, 2006, 03:42:07 pm
Right I,m off for the nite ladies. C ya all tomorow. Nite all, nite June. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 03:49:28 pm
night Soux!  Great idea about the bow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 05:26:20 pm
Update for Private Friends group:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/150962.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 17, 2006, 08:18:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 17, 2006, 03:23:02 pm
Update!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/150538.html  "Chapter 94:  Hear No Evil"


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/bffa73ee.jpg)


They took off for a night in the Lincoln Suite.
Freezing they was, Ellery's ass and feet.
Let's just say things warmed up pretty darn fast
When Ellery and his 'deputy' got them clothes off at last.
Who needs a damn furnace when we get smex so sweet?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 17, 2006, 08:33:04 pm
wonderful pictures, Milli!  Those boys, in that big bed, the chief and his "deputy" servicing him!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 17, 2006, 09:12:00 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 17, 2006, 02:10:30 pm
BTW Where is June?  Dont think I,ve seen her all day. :'( :'( :'( :'(

Aww darlin  :-*   :-* I'm about 2 hours away from you!! I told you where I was going!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 10:08:02 pm
For post 7000 I think we need this...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh_jackman1.jpg)

and this

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/103_HEATH_LEDGER2.jpg)

Enjoy all...

Hugs to all of you, I love you so much! What an experience this has been...7000 posts, 61000+ views...unbelieveable. Thanks alll

L
xoxoxo
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 10:08:24 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 17, 2006, 08:18:11 pm

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/bffa73ee.jpg)


They took off for a night in the Lincoln Suite.
Freezing they was, Ellery's ass and feet.
Let's just say things warmed up pretty darn fast
When Ellery and his 'deputy' got them clothes off at last.
Who needs a damn furnace when we get smex so sweet?


Yay! Another poet in the house!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 17, 2006, 10:12:35 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 17, 2006, 10:08:20 am
Same sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts and became legal on May 17, 2004. It is the only state in the US where same sex marriage is legal. There are a few states (Vermont is one) that permit civil unions.

Leslie

Civil unions are legal here in Connecticut too.   But they are not recognized by other states where it is not legal.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 17, 2006, 10:42:53 pm
Aww Leslie *huge hug back* I feel the same way! It's  UN-believeble and I love it  :)

And thanks so much for posting my favourite Hugh pic *gazes and drools*

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 18, 2006, 12:02:49 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 10:08:24 pm
Yay! Another poet in the house!

Umm.. Jo, are you making fun of me?  ;D hehe ..





YAY for 7000 posts!
Woohoo!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 18, 2006, 01:19:30 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 17, 2006, 12:03:32 pm
Who have really engaged with the tragedy of Brokeback Mountain?

1.   Those who allowed themselves to experience the reality of Jack’s death and his disappearance from the world and felt so devastated by what this tragedy meant in human terms and by the pain of Jack’s death they needed psychological healing.

2.   Those who refuse to read Dead!Jack stories, deny the reality of Jack’s death preferring to believe that Jack somehow survived. 

3.   Those for whom the story and Ennis’ life come to a dead end with Jack’s death.

The first group can read a story about how Ennis moves on because they have allowed themselves to face up to and feel the pain of his loss and grief, as well as their own as witness to this, and try to work through it.

The second group can never read such a thing because they cannot admit that Jack is dead let alone that Ennis might also work through his grief and loss to find a new life for himself. They have no need for healing because they never grieved Jack’s death.They have no need to grieve for Ennis because Ennis never lost Jack.

The third group can never read such a thing because Ennis only exists as an individual in terms of his relationship with Jack.

Groups 2 and 3 assert that they are the upholders of Annie’s vision in writing this story. Proulx’s story was one of loss. Where is the loss? Proulx’s capacity to create vivid characterization and Ang Lee's rendering of the evolution of Ennis’ character invite us to consider how his further development might unfold after the shock of Jack’s death. Where is this development?

Groups 2 and 3 also consider that Ennis' maturing sexuality and the representation of this with his new partner as debasing his character. Every sexual permutation in the book is allowed between two relatively unsophisticated country guys if those guys happen to be Ennis and Jack. What’s cool between them suddenly becomes something tawdry between Ennis and Ellery. No mystery as to the reason why.

So we have denial on one hand and a psychological dead end on the other. What a choice!

To actually mention the fact that Jack died is bad enough. To entertain the notion that Ennis might be allowed an existence and purpose without Jack invites excommunication.

I find this entire post baffling.

BBM is senseless, would have no impact if Jack Twist  lived. I know people who dislike the death of Jack, wish it could be another way  and still worship the story as written. If Jack lived, would it be the tale it is?? No way. None of us would be here, Louise would not be writing this saga, it would never have bitten deep.

It's a simple short story, not a saga, not a play, just a short story, the best written in English during the 20th century. As a story it actually broke new ground: BBM is the only successful case in the English language where a writer, any writer, IN ENGLISH created a Classic Tragedy using Attic construction, while updating it to fit modern needs and using an entirely different format from any known to Aeschylos, Euripides, Menander, Sophocles. Parts of Brokeback fit well into some books of the first western epoch, Iliad--when it comes to inner construction.  But not enough to make the slightest claim of 'copying' Homer. Just the intent.

 It's construction as a short story is reminiscent of Oedipos Rex, YES, that is very true. The miracle is it's format. BBM is not a play. It is a thoroughly modern short story. It uses the Attic method, wherein the characters are destroyed by their own flaws. If and when you approach AP's masterpiece from that direction it becomes seamlessly intelligable. It's use of symbolism re the Bull Rider reaches back directly to the first known civilisation in Europe, the Crete of Minos. It's symbolic double and triple meanings grab the heart and soul of classical tragedy. It's ultimate aim, to allow the reader to put his or her own experiences into play when reaching conclusions, is completely aeschylian.

This is a work where we are not given answers, we are meant to find them ourselves.  It reaches down into the depths and looks at ultimate meanings.  [ The Bacchae-Euripides] It does NOT give answers, it gives questions.

AP  told me a few weeks ago that she  ALWAYS intended to have a prologue from the moment she decided to write the story. Why? Because it is concieved of as a series of flashbacks, where the drive of emotional build has precedence over chronology. Hence the placement of Dozy embrace, the urination: FLASHBACKS. This is thoroughly modern AND completely classic--instead of those magnificent speeches, she uses mental flashbacks. A work for OUR time, not the 5th century BC. And the result was a new sort of work, one which changed the very nature of the short story in the English language. The prologue sets the tone, allows the reader to understand he/she is about to enter a total desolation while setting the construction of the tale of J & E in granite.

 It's over before it starts.

Now, I hate jack's death. But it was necessary. AP wept over her characters but KILLED JACK OFF.

Why? Because she had to, if she was to succeed in her goal..

Ennis in the prologue is of an indeterminate age, because that's what she wanted us to think--no easy answers, we make our own. The ultimate reaction comes from the heart, the mind, and the experience of the reader.

 OR viewer.

 AP left a spark of hope for the Ennis of her prologue. Ang lee left a spark of hope for the Ennis of his epilogue. Get the connection here? To translate the book  to film he put the emotions and hope-spark of the prologue into an EPILOGUE. One a mass audience would get, while preserving the essence of the story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 05:36:33 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 18, 2006, 12:02:49 am
Umm.. Jo, are you making fun of me?  ;D hehe ..

YAY for 7000 posts!
Woohoo!

No Mill - that was a 100 percent genuine Yay!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 06:02:12 am
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/tfmisc/Ennissavinghippies.jpg)

Looks like Francine and Junior decided to come along for the ride!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 18, 2006, 06:39:50 am
Morning all, mornin June. ;) :-* Well after a stormy evening, during which we had torrential rain and gales, we had an overnight frost!! :o It,s bright and sunny today, so we need those gorgeous, handsome, sexy, delicious, edible boys to keep the sun shining please.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 18, 2006, 07:04:19 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 06:02:12 am
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/tfmisc/Ennissavinghippies.jpg)

Looks like Francine and Junior decided to come along for the ride!

What the...?    I've never seen that pic before!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 18, 2006, 07:10:01 am
itsa deleted scene, the hippie scene
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 18, 2006, 07:19:59 am
I knew about the deleted hippie scene,  but from a different photo.  That one is new to me. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 18, 2006, 07:23:41 am
Maybe this guy will catch Dupree's eye?

Can'tcha just see this guy walk into the bar one busy Saturday night?    The room stops,  Duprees eyes widen.    Jeeves just sinks lower into his chair with his head down.  He knows he can't compete with that!   



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 08:11:03 am
David, there's some serious SLEEKNESS there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 08:37:59 am
folkeses:

I am off to Mediamarkt to get a new keyboard.  I have dropped so many rice cake crumbs in this keyboard that the spacebar is permanently on hold and the E won't spring back up.

In addition, I have done some rethinking about what will happen at the end of the Red Stallion, and have decided to make one off stories an open ended endeavour.  (i.e. more of them and regularly.)

I.e. instead of a chapter a day of a larger book, you may get a story every week or two.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 18, 2006, 08:53:38 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 18, 2006, 01:19:30 am
AP  told me a few weeks ago that she  ALWAYS intended to have a prologue from the moment she decided to write the story. Why? Because it is concieved of as a series of flashbacks, where the drive of emotional build has precedence over chronology. Hence the placement of Dozy embrace, the urination: FLASHBACKS. This is thoroughly modern AND completely classic--instead of those magnificent speeches, she uses mental flashbacks. A work for OUR time, not the 5th century BC. And the result was a new sort of work, one which changed the very nature of the short story in the English language. The prologue sets the tone, allows the reader to understand he/she is about to enter a total desolation while setting the construction of the tale of J & E in granite.

 It's over before it starts.

Now, I hate jack's death. But it was necessary. AP wept over her characters but KILLED JACK OFF.

Why? Because she had to, if she was to succeed in her goal..

Ennis in the prologue is of an indeterminate age, because that's what she wanted us to think--no easy answers, we make our own. The ultimate reaction comes from the heart, the mind, and the experience of the reader.

 OR viewer.

 AP left a spark of hope for the Ennis of her prologue. Ang lee left a spark of hope for the Ennis of his epilogue. Get the connection here? To translate the book  to film he put the emotions and hope-spark of the prologue into an EPILOGUE. One a mass audience would get, while preserving the essence of the story.

This is very interesting, but what I don't  understand, then, is why she consented to have it published in the New Yorker without the prologue.

I am an Editor in real life, and we edit author's contributions before publication, and of course, they have the opportunity to rebut our changes. I don't work at the New Yorker but I would assume Annie was afforded the same opportunity. If the prologue was so important and essential, why didn't she argue, or argue harder if she did argue, to have included?

The first version of the story I read was the New Yorker version--not in 1997 but last fall when people were starting to talk about the movie after it won at the Venice Film Festival. The New Yorker still had the story online at that time. I read the story, several times, then saw the movie and after that, read the "Story to Screenplay" version of the story, which does have the prologue. I have said many times that I preferred the New Yorker version...precisely because I did not read it as a flashback. Now, reading your post, thinking about the two versions of the story and the movie, I may need to change my entire worldview on BBM. Hmmm....

To your other comment, regarding your bafflement over Jo's comments...I think there are people out there, who despite countless viewings of the movie still see it in only the most superficial way, ie, as a love story between Jack and Ennis. They, for whatever reason, perhaps because it is too painful, seem unable to get to the deeper heart of the matter of what this story is about and what it can teach us. But we are all just human and the story touches us all in different ways.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 08:53:57 am
Quote from: louisev on November 18, 2006, 08:37:59 am
folkeses:

I am off to Mediamarkt to get a new keyboard.  I have dropped so many rice cake crumbs in this keyboard that the spacebar is permanently on hold and the E won't spring back up.

In addition, I have done some rethinking about what will happen at the end of the Red Stallion, and have decided to make one off stories an open ended endeavour.  (i.e. more of them and regularly.)

I.e. instead of a chapter a day of a larger book, you may get a story every week or two.

It would have to be the E key wouldn't it!

Just watched the Biography Channel interview with Hugh in its entirety. Would you believe Hugh and Heath attended the same drama school in Perth Western Australia - at different times of course. Their pairing was meant to be!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 09:01:18 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 18, 2006, 07:23:41 am
Maybe this guy will catch Dupree's eye?

Can'tcha just see this guy walk into the bar one busy Saturday night?    The room stops,  Duprees eyes widen.    Jeeves just sinks lower into his chair with his head down.  He knows he can't compete with that!   





Yeah well David I don't know that many guys would be able to compete with that so Jeeves has got plenty of company. (Unless it is true that gay men tend on the whole to be more attractive which I read somewhere that research has indicated. Who knows? Maybe this guy is just average!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 18, 2006, 09:05:51 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 09:01:18 am
Yeah well David I don't know that many guys would be able to compete with that so Jeeves has got plenty of company. (Unless it is true that gay men tend on the whole to be more attractive which I read somewhere that research has indicated. Who knows? Maybe this guy is just average!)

The looks thing...that's Ellery's theory. But maybe you read it somewhere too.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 18, 2006, 09:28:01 am
Gay guys more attractive?   

No, not really.    The things is, there are plenty of average and unattrative gay guys out there.  They are just self conscious about their looks and don't make themselves known as much.    Or they hide behind a keyboard like me.

Truth is, the world (both straight and gay) loves to watch the pretty people.     
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 09:31:31 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 08:53:57 am
It would have to be the E key wouldn't it!

Just watched the Biography Channel interview with Hugh in its entirety. Would you believe Hugh and Heath attended the same drama school in Perth Western Australia - at different times of course. Their pairing was meant to be!


Yes it had to be the "E."  I guess I wore it out!

Now Souxi must be in a coma because here I just said the Saga was going to be open ended (well, I am thinking of calling the follow-on individual stories "Laramie Tales" or "Tales from the Red Stallion" or something quippy like that) and I got absolutely NO SQUEEE.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on November 18, 2006, 09:45:25 am
Quote from: louisev on November 18, 2006, 09:31:31 am

Yes it had to be the "E."  I guess I wore it out!

Now Souxi must be in a coma because here I just said the Saga was going to be open ended (well, I am thinking of calling the follow-on individual stories "Laramie Tales" or "Tales from the Red Stallion" or something quippy like that) and I got absolutely NO SQUEEE.

Well, I ain't Souxi, and I don't squee, but would you settle for a YEE HAWW!  ??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 18, 2006, 09:53:55 am
Quote from: louisev on November 18, 2006, 08:37:59 am

...In addition, I have done some rethinking about what will happen at the end of the Red Stallion, and have decided to make one off stories an open ended endeavour.  (i.e. more of them and regularly.)...



Zipididuda ZipidiHEY, Ennis and Ellery are headin' our way,
Jeeves, Wayne and Lauren, all here to stay,
And plenty of Dupree, I hear his part - gay
;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 18, 2006, 09:55:22 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 18, 2006, 09:28:01 am
Gay guys more attractive?   

No, not really.    The things is, there are plenty of average and unattrative gay guys out there.  They are just self conscious about their looks and don't make themselves known as much.    Or they hide behind a keyboard like me.
   

Aw, David, you are a cutie pie, you know you are....

hugs,

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 18, 2006, 10:32:34 am
Quote from: louisev on November 18, 2006, 09:31:31 am

Yes it had to be the "E."  I guess I wore it out!

Now Souxi must be in a coma because here I just said the Saga was going to be open ended (well, I am thinking of calling the follow-on individual stories "Laramie Tales" or "Tales from the Red Stallion" or something quippy like that) and I got absolutely NO SQUEEE.

I know how to SQUEEEEEEEEEEE, Louise!!  ;D and

WHOOOOOOOOOOO!!  ;D

 :-*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 10:35:08 am
that'll certain do, June!

Glad I cheered your day.  Are you in LONDON?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 10:36:08 am
Updates for Private Friends Group:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/150962.html  (see addition at the bottom of this entry)

http://louisev.livejournal.com/151151.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 18, 2006, 10:52:25 am
Quote from: louisev on November 18, 2006, 09:31:31 am

Yes it had to be the "E."  I guess I wore it out!

Now Souxi must be in a coma because here I just said the Saga was going to be open ended (well, I am thinking of calling the follow-on individual stories "Laramie Tales" or "Tales from the Red Stallion" or something quippy like that) and I got absolutely NO SQUEEE.

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! Here I am lol. ;D ;D I,ve been doing some moderating in chat..more overtime lol, but it,s time for our boys now, enough of that place for today. Wow that is good news Louise. wooweeeee.!!!! ;D ;D So what are those two gorgeous men up to today then? Oh Ennis has to get his ears checked, bless him. He wont like it if he ends up with a hearing aid, but it,s better than not being able to hear atll, so he shouldnt grumble too much.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 11:25:10 am
and a wonderful squee it is too, Soux, glad to see you!

I am busy typity typing on my new, brandy new, non rice-cake infested keyboard.  That one I just took out is only a year old!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 18, 2006, 11:29:28 am
David's choise "meat"  ;D is called Jason Kingsley. I have (mostly x rated) images a the man, but the one I was goin to post is wrongly formated (?)  ???

So I've been stimied. Maybe Bryan'll help me with that problem later this afternoon

Quote from: louisev on November 18, 2006, 11:25:10 am
and a wonderful squee it is too, Soux, glad to see you!

I am busy typity typing on my new, brandy new, non rice-cake infested keyboard.  That one I just took out is only a year old!!!

Yea but louise, think a the miles a words you've typed out a that poor keyboard! - a year?! - sounds about right.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 11:36:09 am
yes, miles and miles and miles!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 18, 2006, 11:42:47 am
Quote from: louisev on November 18, 2006, 10:35:08 am
that'll certain do, June!

Glad I cheered your day.  Are you in LONDON?

Good!

You sure did. Well, not London but close by. I'm with Helen  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 18, 2006, 12:07:32 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 18, 2006, 11:42:47 am
Good!

You sure did. Well, not London but close by. I'm with Helen  :)



Leslie waves...Hi Helen! Hi June!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 12:12:37 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/151439.html  "Chapter 95:  Examinations"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 18, 2006, 12:26:49 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 18, 2006, 08:53:38 am
This is very interesting, but what I don't  understand, then, is why she consented to have it published in the New Yorker without the prologue.

I am an Editor in real life, and we edit author's contributions before publication, and of course, they have the opportunity to rebut our changes. I don't work at the New Yorker but I would assume Annie was afforded the same opportunity. If the prologue was so important and essential, why didn't she argue, or argue harder if she did argue, to have included?

The first version of the story I read was the New Yorker version--not in 1997 but last fall when people were starting to talk about the movie after it won at the Venice Film Festival. The New Yorker still had the story online at that time. I read the story, several times, then saw the movie and after that, read the "Story to Screenplay" version of the story, which does have the prologue. I have said many times that I preferred the New Yorker version...precisely because I did not read it as a flashback. Now, reading your post, thinking about the two versions of the story and the movie, I may need to change my entire worldview on BBM. Hmmm....

To your other comment, regarding your bafflement over Jo's comments...I think there are people out there, who despite countless viewings of the movie still see it in only the most superficial way, ie, as a love story between Jack and Ennis. They, for whatever reason, perhaps because it is too painful, seem unable to get to the deeper heart of the matter of what this story is about and what it can teach us. But we are all just human and the story touches us all in different ways.

Leslie

I'm not sure about this, but it is possible that The New Yorker had less space available for AP's story. They probably depend a lot on ads. Sometimes the number of pages of an edition depends on the amounts of ads they sell before the edition is put together and sold. I know some newspapers work this way. I'm not so sure about the magazines though, but I suspect it might be the same situation.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 18, 2006, 12:41:34 pm
Quote from: opinionista on November 18, 2006, 12:26:49 pm
I'm not sure about this, but it is possible that The New Yorker had less space available for AP's story. They probably depend a lot on ads. Sometimes the number of pages of an edition depends on the amounts of ads they sell before the edition is put together and sold. I know some newspapers work this way. I'm not so sure about the magazines though, but I suspect it might be the same situation.

Well, space is always an issue but if this was such an integral element to the story, I think she would have argued for it, space be damned. I guess we'll never know. One thing that is interesting is that I really feel it makes it as if there are two Brokeback Mountain short stories. There are other differences between the two versions, but the absence of the prologue paragraph has the biggest impact on the narrative.

Speaking of newspapers, did you read the bus plunge story, Natali? For others who might be curious:

http://www.slate.com/id/2152895/

It is funny, I thought.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 18, 2006, 02:19:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 18, 2006, 09:31:31 am

Yes it had to be the "E."  I guess I wore it out!

Now Souxi must be in a coma because here I just said the Saga was going to be open ended (well, I am thinking of calling the follow-on individual stories "Laramie Tales" or "Tales from the Red Stallion" or something quippy like that) and I got absolutely NO SQUEEE.


That is definitely some SQUEE-worthy news right thurr!  8)
I can't do it like Soux or June can, but I'll certainly try to do my part:

SQUEEEEE!!

lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 18, 2006, 05:40:29 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 18, 2006, 08:53:38 am
This is very interesting, but what I don't  understand, then, is why she consented to have it published in the New Yorker without the prologue.

I am an Editor in real life, and we edit author's contributions before publication, and of course, they have the opportunity to rebut our changes. I don't work at the New Yorker but I would assume Annie was afforded the same opportunity. If the prologue was so important and essential, why didn't she argue, or argue harder if she did argue, to have included?

The first version of the story I read was the New Yorker version--not in 1997 but last fall when people were starting to talk about the movie after it won at the Venice Film Festival. The New Yorker still had the story online at that time. I read the story, several times, then saw the movie and after that, read the "Story to Screenplay" version of the story, which does have the prologue. I have said many times that I preferred the New Yorker version...precisely because I did not read it as a flashback. Now, reading your post, thinking about the two versions of the story and the movie, I may need to change my entire worldview on BBM. Hmmm....

To your other comment, regarding your bafflement over Jo's comments...I think there are people out there, who despite countless viewings of the movie still see it in only the most superficial way, ie, as a love story between Jack and Ennis. They, for whatever reason, perhaps because it is too painful, seem unable to get to the deeper heart of the matter of what this story is about and what it can teach us. But we are all just human and the story touches us all in different ways.

Leslie
Hi,
Annie did write it with a prologue and it WAS supposed to be there.It had nothing to do with an editorial decision whatsoever: She told me THEY FORGOT TO TYPESET IT. It was left out purely by accident and she had a coronary lol.

I want to dialogue more with you but have to go out--be back later!
Jack
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 18, 2006, 05:44:11 pm
Hahaha Milli! You sell yourself short! You do an excellent squeeeeee!! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 18, 2006, 05:47:29 pm
I couldn't get on here for a couple of hours and I'd logged off earlier and when i finally could get on I was logged on again!  ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 05:48:38 pm
welcome back everyone!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 18, 2006, 05:49:40 pm
Quote from: brokebackjack on November 18, 2006, 05:40:29 pm
Hi,
Annie did write it with a prologue and it WAS supposed to be there.It had nothing to do with an editorial decision whatsoever: She told me THEY FORGOT TO TYPESET IT. It was left out purely by accident and she had a coronary lol.

I want to dialogue more with you but have to go out--be back later!
Jack

Wow.  That is amazing.

Thanks for sharing, Jack.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 06:35:12 pm
I know it's a little late on my side of the pond, but I will be posting another chapter tonight.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 07:32:37 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/151591.html  "Chapter 96:  Waiting Game"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 07:47:11 pm
SPOILER












OK Louise - you got us all pacing our respective kitchens all over over the world just about now!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 07:49:11 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 18, 2006, 09:28:01 am

Truth is, the world (both straight and gay) loves to watch the pretty people.     

Hey David - ain't it the truth. Just as well love is often blind.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 07:50:40 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 18, 2006, 07:47:11 pm
SPOILER














OK Louise - you got us all pacing our respective kitchens all over over the world just about now!

yeah but, Jo... it's almost 1 a.m here!  You'll have to tune in tomorrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 18, 2006, 08:45:08 pm
Louise, you got mail.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 18, 2006, 09:16:10 pm
yes, I do!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 19, 2006, 03:56:56 am
SPOILER



Ok, I think we are all officially worried about Ennis.


I took my Dad to a CT several years ago - it was NO picnic.

Maybe Ellery should just go be with Ennis - it can't be easy on either of them.

Also - loved Dupree and the ADA, but I sure hope Ellery's wrong saying "it settles  the 80% gay theory once and for all"  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 19, 2006, 06:06:47 am
Morning all, morning June. :-* :-*
Just found a bonus chapter to read I did. Poor Ellery in tears...*SNIFF*.  It must be something to do with that punch that Bill gave him I would imagine. I,ve had tinitus once when I had a terrible ear infection. The worst one I,ve ever had. It felt like the bells of St.Pauls were ringing in my ears. Lets hope Ennis gets home soon, poor Ellery will be frantic..bless him. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 19, 2006, 07:13:52 am
Quote from: souxi on November 19, 2006, 06:06:47 am
Morning all, morning June. :-* :-*
Just found a bonus chapter to read I did. Poor Ellery in tears...*SNIFF*.  It must be something to do with that punch that Bill gave him I would imagine. I,ve had tinitus once when I had a terrible ear infection. The worst one I,ve ever had. It felt like the bells of St.Pauls were ringing in my ears. Lets hope Ennis gets home soon, poor Ellery will be frantic..bless him. :'( :'( :'( :'(

Mornin darlin  :-*  :-* morning all

Yeah, I had a great big lump in my throat early this morning   :'( I'm sure it'll be fine though.....Louise won't be that cruel, I hope...... :(

*looks at Louise hopefully*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 09:41:56 am
okay folks, I am going to SPOIL THE PLOT.

No - nothing bad is going to happen to Ennis.

And here is the latest chapter!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/152038.html  "Chapter 97:  Lover Come Home"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on November 19, 2006, 01:37:37 pm
Hi Louise,
I have commented on this latest :-* LOVELY chapter at your LJ as I couldn't get on here.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 01:53:30 pm
thank you, Kate!


Spoiler!!









I figured what better finale for the Laramie Saga than...

a Wes and Edna marriage ceremony?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 19, 2006, 01:58:16 pm
Well helloooooooo everyone. Bettermost has just come back I see. yippeeee lol. ;D I,ve missed it. Louise that last chapter gave me such a big lump in my throat. At last Ennis will have the wedding he should have had years ago. No it wont be to Jack, but at least it will be to someone he loves this time. I,m so excited I cant wait lol. mwahhhhhhh. *SNIFF*  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 19, 2006, 02:01:26 pm
And just imagine what the wedding night will be like, HOT !! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o  *FAINTS* ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 19, 2006, 02:21:41 pm
Hi everyone,

Great to be back online after that outage....on a Sunday! I was having withdrawal.

And the wonderful news, we have wedding to look forward to! I am so happy!!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 19, 2006, 02:33:05 pm
OMG YES!!!! I was having serious withdrawal too! Whooooooo! It's so good to be back  ;D  I wasn't able to get on for hours  >:(

*off to read the last two chapters!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 19, 2006, 02:40:35 pm
Look what I found...perfect. *SIGH*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 02:44:13 pm
well, you knew I wanted to use that picture didn't you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 19, 2006, 03:01:01 pm
Oh.. Quip did that hot pic for us!   :D  Do we have it in the gallery?  We oughta!!

Speaking of which, where is Quiplash these days, I wonder?
Hey Quip, if you are reading this, greetings out to you in The Peg!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on November 19, 2006, 03:07:31 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 12, 2006, 11:44:35 am
I know I should Louise.....sorry  :(  What with RL, MSN, reading Slash and commenting! there's so little time to spare!! I do always love it on chat  :) But my connection is NEVER good, takes me forever to type a comment  ::)

I'm glad to hear Kelly is okay  :)

Hi June!

Thanks for asking after me...

I'm looking forward to less busy clinic time so I can participate more... (It's a few weeks away yet.)

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 19, 2006, 03:16:56 pm
Kell!!!!!!!!   ;D  You made it here today after all.   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 19, 2006, 03:20:04 pm
SPOILER


A wedding?!? Wow. Will this just be a personal/spritual ceremony rather than a legal union? Am I right in thinking that same-sex partnerships/marriages were not recognised in law at this time?

I love the idea, but I really can't imagine Ennis suited up and standing up in front of other people for such a service. Then again maybe I'm thinking of the Ennis of old.

I really felt for poor Ellery when he was fearing the worst. Life can be like that sometimes can't it, something works out so right that you wait for the other shoe to drop.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 03:32:33 pm
SPOILER:






Wyoming is one of those pesky states that had marriage defined in its code of laws.  They do not have a gay marriage ban: what their Title 20 states is "A marriage is a civil union between a man and a woman."  Which implicitly prevents men from marrying one another. In 2003 Wyoming attempted to get a DOMA-type law passed, and it failed, in which Wyoming could refuse to recognize gay marriages from other states.  So at the time of this story, no, Wyoming does not have a gay marriage ban - but its definition of marriage would make Wes's license - if he files it - invalid, if it were to be discovered that both parties on the license are male.  However, despite the passage of the gay marriage ban in California, the mayor of San Francisco issued marriage licenses to gay couples in defiance of the law.  When a public official defies a law, it becomes a very powerful symbolic act of empowerment.  (Which of course was the whole idea of this chapter.)  Edna is going to strongarm "Brownie" into giving their nearest and dearest the most powerful symbolic empowerment they could offer them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 19, 2006, 03:37:15 pm
Quote from: notBastet on November 19, 2006, 03:07:31 pm
Hi June!

Thanks for asking after me...

I'm looking forward to less busy clinic time so I can participate more... (It's a few weeks away yet.)

 :)

Hi Kelly!

Thats good to hear!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 03:39:27 pm
No one has told me what Souxi's name is, so I can't write her into a chapter.

You two girls aren't "June" and "July" are you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 19, 2006, 03:52:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 19, 2006, 03:39:27 pm
No one has told me what Souxi's name is, so I can't write her into a chapter.

You two girls aren't "June" and "July" are you?

OMG Louise ~ that would be SO hilarious!! Wish we were!  ;D I'll let her tell you though what her name is.
Are you going to write us in then?? That would be so wonderful!! I hope!! LOL!

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 04:11:27 pm
yes. However, space is growing short for the "Red Stallion", so it might not be able to get into the actual book... I will have to see how things work out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 19, 2006, 04:13:21 pm
Oh, Louise!  I thought you swore you weren't down with the whole not-legal-but-symbolic-marriage thing!  You said you didn't think either of them would go for it, that it wasn't their style!

Not that I'm complaining.  Just don't let them wear matching tuxes and have a schmoopy reception, please.

But...happy sigh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 04:16:15 pm

SPOILER!


yes, I did say that.  Schmoopy reception, no.  But rememember who is cooking this up:  Edna, seizing on a moment of strain and insecurity, pounces!  with fried chicken and taters, just when both of them think Ennis has got some terrible disease.

So she is the agent of Schmoopy, and the boys succumbed in a vulnerable moment.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 19, 2006, 04:16:48 pm
Oh let them have a schmoopy reception at Wes and Edna,s. After all they have both been thorugh I think they deserve it. Can you imagine us lot sitting in the cinema watching this? We,ll all be howling lol. I,m fillin up already....mwahhhhhhhhhhh lol. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 19, 2006, 04:17:57 pm
Ok so no schmoopy reception. They,ll have to save it for later then. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 19, 2006, 04:21:46 pm
Schmoopy Rules!

so declares the Queen of Schmoopy...

Actually, I am picturing something very quiet and private in the living room of the Brown Horse Ranch, with a roast beef dinner "reception" afterwards.

Who will be there? Will Francine and Junior come? Dupree? Hmmm....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 19, 2006, 04:24:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 19, 2006, 04:21:46 pm
Schmoopy Rules!
Who will be there? Will Francine and Junior come? Dupree? Hmmm....

Leslie

Well I hope Francie and Jr are there, for sure!  And Dupree, I hope he is invited by default!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 04:27:28 pm
*eeeeeek!*

Milli if you start making photo manips of a schmoopy reception I will take your membership to Jackmanslanding.com away!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 19, 2006, 04:29:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 19, 2006, 04:27:28 pm
*eeeeeek!*

Milli if you start making photo manips of a schmoopy reception I will take your membership to Jackmanslanding.com away!

*gasp*  You wouldn't dare!  :o

 :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 19, 2006, 04:32:05 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 19, 2006, 04:27:28 pm
*eeeeeek!*

Milli if you start making photo manips of a schmoopy reception I will take your membership to Jackmanslanding.com away!

Who do you think you are? Queen of the Hugh-inverse or something?   ;D ;D

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 19, 2006, 04:33:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 19, 2006, 04:27:28 pm
*eeeeeek!*

Milli if you start making photo manips of a schmoopy reception I will take your membership to Jackmanslanding.com away!

Errr... hope I don't sound too stupid here, but what are manips?  ???

I know what springs to mind when I read that word, but I suspect that's not what you mean  :laugh: :laugh:

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 19, 2006, 04:44:15 pm
I think they are talking about the fan-manipulations of photographs, also know as fanart---photos that show interpretations of fanfiction.  :)
or sometimes the interpretations we just WANT to see and share!! LOL ;D

Like a lot of the photos in our galleries, and on this thread!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 19, 2006, 04:50:15 pm
Karen...

This would be an example of a manip:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/showeerbowcopy.jpg)


(Any excuse to post this picture again works for me!)

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 19, 2006, 05:00:17 pm
I have it from a reliable source that Ellery is really getting into this idea of a wedding, because he is really getting into the idea of a honeymoon. Heck, he's only been back at work two weeks, he's getting ready for another vacation.

Now, faithful readers will remember that Ellery mentioned, very early on, that his ancestors were from Scotland. So for a honeymoon, he is toying with the idea of week in a castle, like this. What do you think Ennis would think of that idea?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/castlevenlaw.jpg)


This is Castle Venlaw, in Peebles.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 05:48:18 pm
Oh my goodness.

It is coming up on 11 p.m., when my stats turn over, and the Laramie Saga has hit a 2 month traffic high with today's chapters of 2977 hits!  The highest we ever registered was 3122 hits on 27 September, but I think that day I posted four chapters.

Thanks for reading, everyone!  I wonder what the hit count will be for the "Sunday" chapter.

P.S.  And you better not say it's because I let it get "schmoopy"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on November 19, 2006, 05:50:03 pm
Edna - agent of Schmoopy?  LOVE it!!

photo manips of a schmoopy reception - love it too!

 ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 05:51:37 pm
somehow I get an image of a grey-haired woman with a Little Red Riding Hood costume, grey bun falling out of her hood, accompanied through the Big Dark Woods by Joe Cool - the "Peanuts" character of Snoopy with a suit and dark glasses.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 19, 2006, 05:55:10 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 19, 2006, 05:48:18 pm

Thanks for reading, everyone!  I wonder what the hit count will be for the "Sunday" chapter.

Maybe we should start a betting pool. Everyone picks a number, whoever comes closest without going over wins some fabulous prize, like a can of doughboys.

I'll start..my guess: 3255.

Post your guesses here and I'll start a list, which I will update periodically. Guesses will be accepted until the time the chapter is posted.

Have fun!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 06:01:50 pm
Total stats for the day:

3015 hits, by 305 hosts.  Holy cowwwwww!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 19, 2006, 06:11:18 pm
and I didnt post this because?  I was spaced out?

http://louisev.livejournal.com/152220.html  "Chapter 98:  A Modest Proposal"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 19, 2006, 07:53:03 pm
Some lessons I have picked up along the way ..

(1)
Every man is entitled to a private life .. What I mean to say is:
Every man reserves the right to wear black lacy panties under his well-pressed suit.


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/81c55cc9.jpg)


(2)
The man whose Calvin Klein cup overfloweth has a very good chance of getting caught with his pants down
in a men's room or in an unused bedroom with a hidden camera installed ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/48b1df85.jpg)


(3)
There are some French Territories where only one man can travel ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/d3da7cdb.jpg)


(4)
There is a natural progression for all things in life:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/vline.jpg)  to  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/63cddd3a.jpg)


(5)
Yes, man can have more than one best friend:
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/d0e6966f.jpg) and:  (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/19255caa.jpg)



What lessons have you learned along the way?   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on November 19, 2006, 08:37:09 pm
Lucis, you are a genious.  How do you do it?  Never mind, just keep it up.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 19, 2006, 10:11:31 pm
Quote from: scudder on November 19, 2006, 08:37:09 pm
...  just keep it up.

Well that's certainly one lesson Ennis has learned!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 19, 2006, 10:18:59 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 19, 2006, 10:11:31 pm
Well that's certainly one lesson Ennis has learned!

 hee hee.. I can't say I can argue with that.   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 04:52:06 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 19, 2006, 05:00:17 pm
I have it from a reliable source that Ellery is really getting into this idea of a wedding, because he is really getting into the idea of a honeymoon. Heck, he's only been back at work two weeks, he's getting ready for another vacation.

Now, faithful readers will remember that Ellery mentioned, very early on, that his ancestors were from Scotland. So for a honeymoon, he is toying with the idea of week in a castle, like this. What do you think Ennis would think of that idea?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/castlevenlaw.jpg)


This is Castle Venlaw, in Peebles.

L

Morning all, Mornin June. ;) ;D
I think thats a brilliant idea Leslie, I,m sure Ennis would love it. So Louise, does this mean your going to  120 chapters to fit the honeymoon in then?  ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 20, 2006, 07:55:38 am
Morning everyone.  I feel like I've been away for a while but I've been keeping up to date with the chapters and feeling all happy for Ennis and Ellery over their impending nuptials.  I think thats beautiful, I loved how it occurred too, just totally out of the blue really, and it caught them both unawares!

I just want Edna and Wes to be there with them, because they are such wonderful caring people and Ennis and Ellery mean the world to them. 

Oh, I went to see "The Prestige" on Thursday night.  Really enjoyed it, Hugh Jackman was great in it - I allowed myself a naughty little smile when he first appeared on screen.  He gets his shirt off a couple of times too, so thats nice.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 07:59:52 am
Hugh taking off his shirt is standard in all of his contracts now.  His fans demand it - women and gay men alike!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 20, 2006, 09:18:44 am
Quote from: souxi on November 20, 2006, 04:52:06 am
Morning all, Mornin June. ;) ;D
I think thats a brilliant idea Leslie, I,m sure Ennis would love it. So Louise, does this mean your going to  120 chapters to fit the honeymoon in then?  ;) ;) ;) ;D

Afternoon Souxi  :-*

Did you like Milli's story idea for you over on Louise's LJ??  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 20, 2006, 09:19:22 am
Um... for us computer-idiots, what exactly are "hits" and "hosts" ?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 09:21:31 am
A hit is when someone opens the page - i.e. looks at it.  Also known as a "page view."

A host is an individual computer, as counted by IP address.  In other words, if you open 10 pages, such as chapters 80 through 89, from your computer, the counter registers one host (your computer), and 10 hits.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 09:23:51 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 20, 2006, 09:19:22 am
Um... for us computer-idiots, what exactly are "hits" and "hosts" ?

The counter that Louise has on your story (and I have on mine, too) records the number of hosts and hits. A "host" is an IP address while a "hit" is the number of times people have come to the site. I have found on my site they generally go in a 1:2 ratio, which suggests to me that a user may come back to read a chapter twice. For example, I posted a chapter yesterday and by the end of the day, I had 199 hosts and 365 hits.

Louise's proposal chapter went over 3000 hits, which is amazing, when you think about it.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 09:24:07 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 20, 2006, 09:18:44 am
Afternoon Souxi  :-*

Did you like Milli's story idea for you over on Louise's LJ??  ;D  :-*

No? I,ve just looked and I cant see it..where is it then? So Louise, about these 120 chapters then, for the honeymoon,good idea or what?  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 09:29:58 am
Look... I told you guys in chat last night:

no schmoopy reception, and you all seem to have forgotten Ennis has to go back to the ear doctor on Thursday.

so... NO SCHMOOPY HONEYMOON!

I feel like I got Leslied!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 09:35:52 am
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 09:29:58 am
Look... I told you guys in chat last night:

no schmoopy reception, and you all seem to have forgotten Ennis has to go back to the ear doctor on Thursday.

so... NO SCHMOOPY HONEYMOON!

I feel like I got Leslied!

But, but,but,but,but,but..ther,e getting married!! They,ve got to have a honeymoon? Well ok then, a few days at home, in bed then after the ear doctor they can have the honeymoon, hows that then? Me and my good ideas, *SIGH* lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 09:40:43 am
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Souxi!

You got your red bow! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 09:45:09 am
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 09:40:43 am
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Souxi!

You got your red bow! 

Yes I did and I appreciate that,really really truely I do, but think of poor Ennis, he never had a honeymoon when he married Alma did he? Just think of how much more romantic this will be..eh? Just a few days, tucked away, from the rest of the world, to ermmm, well...you know..get used to being married and all that...*ahem*. You know ya wanna. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 09:54:33 am
I can't believe how quickly that red bow wore off.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 10:32:39 am
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 09:54:33 am
I can't believe how quickly that red bow wore off.

We're a greedy bunch, are we?

You give us a wedding, we want honeymoons. You give us a honeymoon, what's next? Babies? Eeeek! LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 11:38:29 am
don't.
even.
go.
there.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 11:49:33 am
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 11:38:29 am
don't.
even.
go.
there.

don't.
worry.
I.
won't.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 20, 2006, 11:56:49 am
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 11:38:29 am
don't.
even.
go.
there.

Aww, Ennis and Ellery as daddy and daddy.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 12:02:41 pm
Quote from: christie wood on November 20, 2006, 11:56:49 am
Aww, Ennis and Ellery as daddy and daddy.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

*Louise starts thrashing around like Daryl Hannah in that scene from Blade Runner going EEEE EEE EEEE EEEEE!!!!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 12:07:50 pm
How about a cute little kitten then? awwww lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 12:09:55 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 12:02:41 pm
*Louise starts thrashing around like Daryl Hannah in that scene from Blade Runner going EEEE EEE EEEE EEEEE!!!!*

I thought it was Splash when she went EEEE EEEE EEEE EEEE!! and all the TVs broke.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 12:14:49 pm
I,ve got another briliiant idea Louise, your gonna love this one lol. ;D You know Leslie wrote a special christening the bed scene, after we nagged her too lol, welllllllll, when LS has, erm, you know, (gulp) finished... :'( :'( :'( You could write a special honeymoon scene, only it would be a teeny weeny bit longer, Instead of one day and night, it could be, oh, I dunno, a week? Dont I just have the best ideas, eh? eh? eh? (she loves me, I can tell lol) ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 12:15:06 pm
I never saw Splash so it can't be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 12:33:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 12:15:06 pm
I never saw Splash so it can't be.

Maybe this is a patented Darryl Hannah line...she definitely EEE EEE EEEs in Splash.

Hm, maybe that's why we haven't seen her around too much lately....that squeaking and eee'ing can ruin a career!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 12:43:03 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 20, 2006, 12:14:49 pm
I,ve got another briliiant idea Louise, your gonna love this one lol. ;D You know Leslie wrote a special christening the bed scene, after we nagged her too lol, welllllllll, when LS has, erm, you know, (gulp) finished... :'( :'( :'( You could write a special honeymoon scene, only it would be a teeny weeny bit longer, Instead of one day and night, it could be, oh, I dunno, a week? Dont I just have the best ideas, eh? eh? eh? (she loves me, I can tell lol) ;) ;D ;D

Yeah, Siouxi, a week in a Scottish castle...oh wait, Louise already nixed the castle.

Well, then, how about a week at the Brown Palace Hotel in Denver? They can drive there, it is only a few hours away....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 12:51:34 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 12:43:03 pm
Yeah, Siouxi, a week in a Scottish castle...oh wait, Louise already nixed the castle.

Well, then, how about a week at the Brown Palace Hotel in Denver? They can drive there, it is only a few hours away....

Leslie

Brilliant idea Leslie, because Ellery hates flying and Ennis has never been on a plane so he probably wouldnt like it much. Yep thats a better idea, then they can both go for some nice relaxing walks together, which is good for Ellerys health too, after all the stress he,s been under lately. He,s got a gorgeous body and he needs to look after it. Ennis can help. Well they ARE newlyweds lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 12:58:51 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 12:33:07 pm
Maybe this is a patented Darryl Hannah line...she definitely EEE EEE EEEs in Splash.

Hm, maybe that's why we haven't seen her around too much lately....that squeaking and eee'ing can ruin a career!

L

I don't know why we are talking about Darryl Hannah..lol, but like Leslie said, she went EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE in Splash, in a mall or something, and all the TV screens shattered to bits!  I know coz I watched Splash about 20 times when I was a kid.  :P


Back to the regularly-scheduled program ..
I won't push the idea of E&E making plenty of babies together, but I think they most definitely need a honeymoon!   ;D
Maybe not in a Scottish castle .. but they definitely need to get away and .. well, re-charge their batteries!
WHat do you say Louise?  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 01:02:14 pm
So, Souxi, what do you think about my proposed storyline for you in the Saga? 
I posted it as a comment on Louise's LJ .. could be chapter 96 or so.. hmm? 
We'll see if The Louise approves or not .. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 01:11:27 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 20, 2006, 12:58:51 pm
I don't know why we are talking about Darryl Hannah..lol, but like Leslie said, she went EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE in Splash, in a mall or something, and all the TV screens shattered to bits!  I know coz I watched Splash about 20 times when I was a kid.  :P

She was in Bloomingdale's. The salesman asked her how to say her name in her language and it destroyed all the TVs.

Quote

Back to the regularly-scheduled program ..
I won't push the idea of E&E making plenty of babies together, but I think they most definitely need a honeymoon!   ;D
Maybe not in a Scottish castle .. but they definitely need to get away and .. well, re-charge their batteries!
WHat do you say Louise?  8)

We better watch out, she is going to accuse all of us of "Leslieing" her...

to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

It is kind of exciting to be turned into a verb.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 01:19:38 pm
*agh!*

I can't believe I wasted a telephone call on this job!

They want "seasoned, certified professionals" with significant infrastructure experience, and they want to pay them less than the monkeys get paid in peanuts at the zoo!!!  I just turned down a job paying 20% more!  Are they INSANE?  In Orange County, of all places, where you can share a 2 bedroom apartment for a MERE $1300 a month?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 01:21:59 pm
Someone call Webster's dictionary, will ya?  :P


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what they want.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 20, 2006, 01:29:44 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 20, 2006, 01:21:59 pm

to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what they want.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee.



Tell you what, there's a lot you learn in this place. My english is getting better and better (well okay, apart from the ridiculous spelling mistakes i make while in chat)  ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 01:35:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 20, 2006, 01:02:14 pm
So, Souxi, what do you think about my proposed storyline for you in the Saga? 
I posted it as a comment on Louise's LJ .. could be chapter 96 or so.. hmm? 
We'll see if The Louise approves or not .. ;D

A chihuahua????? You want to cast me as a dog?? Charmin lol. ;D Jesus Christ if I had to sit on that old sows lap all day, I,d bite her on the tit, and piddle all over her legs. Poxy bloody woman. grrrrrrrr.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 01:38:25 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 20, 2006, 01:35:36 pm
A chihuahua????? You want to cast me as a dog?? Charmin lol. ;D Jesus Christ if I had to sit on that old sows lap all day, I,d bite her on the tit, and piddle all over her legs. Poxy bloody woman. grrrrrrrr.

Just the mention of her name gets you all riled, eh soux?  :laugh: ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 01:39:43 pm
QUOTE:


to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what they want.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.  QUOTE:

Hehehhe thats the plan. I love that lol. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 02:02:34 pm
Whoa whoa whoa, I go to write a chapter and I've got people being cast as poodles and piddling on legs, biting on tits and other nastiness.

Can't you see I'm trying to typity type here?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 02:07:38 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 02:02:34 pm
Whoa whoa whoa, I go to write a chapter and I've got people being cast as poodles and piddling on legs, biting on tits and other nastiness.

Can't you see I'm trying to typity type here?

Don't look at me ..
It was Souxi who was talking about biting Bunny's tit!  Not me!  :(
Souxi Nasty, more like ..  ;D

Edit to add:
And about the casting thingie, Souxi was cast as Bunny's chihuahua, not a poodle ..  :laugh:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/e8203dd1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 02:11:11 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 20, 2006, 02:07:38 pm
Don't look at me ..
It was Souxi who was talking about biting Bunny's tit!  Not me!  :(
Souxi Nasty, more like ..  ;D

Edit..
And about the casting part, she was cast as Bunny's chihuahua, not a poodle ..  :laugh:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/e8203dd1.jpg)

If I get cast as that  walking rug, I,ll bite BOTH her tits!! poxy bloody woman. grrrrrrrrr. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 20, 2006, 02:12:34 pm
Oh peeps you know what today is dont you? PANIC DAY. Well Louise you did say we could start to panic when you got to chapter 99 lol. Come on everyone, get flappin.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 02:22:40 pm
no, no panicking.  Because I told you I was going to continue with a story series.  So the Panic has been cancelled.

And the Laramie Saga is officially a NO CHIHUAHUA ZONE.  I had to put up with a chihuahua (whose name I forget) and a toy fox terrier (named Janie - I swear to god!) one winter and little Janie used to crouch under the wood stove and bark in her little nasty bark and I swore that I would never put a toy or tiny dog in any story I ever wrote in the future.  Either a full size manly kind of dog - or no dog!

And here is your chapter:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/152348.html  "Chapter 99:  War Wound"

complete with Jane and June!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 20, 2006, 02:41:52 pm
SPOILER!!!!






A week in bed and no getting fancy? Ellery is going to go totally crazy!!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 02:49:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 02:22:40 pm
And the Laramie Saga is officially a NO CHIHUAHUA ZONE.  I had to put up with a chihuahua (whose name I forget) and a toy fox terrier (named Janie - I swear to god!) one winter and little Janie used to crouch under the wood stove and bark in her little nasty bark and I swore that I would never put a toy or tiny dog in any story I ever wrote in the future.  Either a full size manly kind of dog - or no dog!

lol.. Aw Shucks! 
Better luck biting Bunny's bit next time Soux!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 03:11:27 pm
Quote from: opinionista on November 20, 2006, 02:41:52 pm
SPOILER!!!!






A week in bed and no getting fancy? Ellery is going to go totally crazy!!!!!!

And there is supposed to be a wedding on Sunday!!!

Argh!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 03:45:15 pm
Okay, pay attention class!  :P

Yes, I had to go look it up  .. needed to know exactly what Ennis was up against!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/fcca8cc3.jpg)


Fingers crossed on the "bed rest with absolutely no strain" clause ..
They can do it, I know they can!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 20, 2006, 06:00:07 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 20, 2006, 03:45:15 pm
Fingers crossed on the "bed rest with absolutely no strain" clause ..
They can do it, I know they can!

They may be able to do it (although I doubt it), but we definitely cant!   ;D

Its going to be torture for them and for us, lets hope Ellery comes up wtih some good ideas for getting fancy with no strain....they just about managed when Ellery hurt his rib.  Just.

Best not anything too rigorous as we dont want Ennis getting a sex headache, imagine that combined with his fistula...doesnt bear thinking about.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 06:03:54 pm
yes, remember the "sex headache"?  Hm?  Hm?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 06:38:46 pm
An update in my Private Friends entries:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/152741.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 20, 2006, 06:41:10 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 02:22:40 pm
I swore that I would never put a toy or tiny dog in any story I ever wrote in the future.  Either a full size manly kind of dog - or no dog!


Not even a doggie like Minnie?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/mmpoodle1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 06:47:30 pm
NO.  Not even Minnie.  I'm sorry, Jo, I have to draw the line somewhere.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 20, 2006, 07:13:51 pm
I'm baaaaack!

Mickey Mouse says hello.  I missed y'all!

Caught up on all the 'fantabulous!' chapters - hoo-weee! ...but I'm woefully behind on the thread, so going back to where I left off, which was page 464 ... I think. 

 :) 8)

Good to be home.  Did a lot of walking.  Hurt my knee, got swollen ankles, and caught a bug so now my throat is killing me....
And I gotta cook a turkey dinner Thursday.   Oh, well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 07:17:54 pm
Hey NV!
Good to see ya back!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 20, 2006, 07:22:21 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 06:03:54 pm
yes, remember the "sex headache"?  Hm?  Hm?


Yup.   Ennis and Ellery need to move into separate guest rooms at Wes & Ednas.     This way Edna can mother them both and keep them apart!   LOL.

Ennis doesn't need Ellery walking around naked to distract him.   And we don't want Ellery home alone unsupervised either!    LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 07:26:41 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 20, 2006, 07:22:21 pm

Yup.   Ennis and Ellery need to move into separate guest rooms at Wes & Ednas.     This way Edna can mother them both and keep them apart!   LOL.

Ennis doesn't need Ellery walking around naked to distract him.   And we don't want Ellery home alone unsupervised either!    LOL


Oh..I know!!

Remember how the doctor advised Ellery to take up swimming ..?
This might be a good opportunity for him to distract himself and get some exercise, all at the same time (while Ennis is bed-ridden that is ..lol)
We know he is worried about the boys at the pool checking out his ..well, legs .. so we can make him swim with all his clothes on ..
He might need a slight push though ..  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/Anim/cf34a3e1.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 20, 2006, 07:36:12 pm
*oh!* I just had a pang of longing for Hugh!

Of course it may have had something to do with buying and watching the X-Men Trilogy this weekend.  I have dreams about that eyebrow, and that... leather...suit.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 20, 2006, 07:48:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 06:47:30 pm
NO.  Not even Minnie.  I'm sorry, Jo, I have to draw the line somewhere.

Well, in an indirect way Minnie has already featured through her dreams!

Minnie the Moocher by Cab Calloway

Hey folks here's the story 'bout Minnie the Moocher
She was a low-down Hoochie Koocher
She was the roughest toughest frail
But Minnie had a heart as big as a whale

She had a dream about the King of Sweden*
He gave her things that she was needin'
He gave her a home built of gold and steel
A diamond car with the platinum wheels

He gave her his townhouse and his racin' horses
Each meal she ate was a dozen courses
Had a million dollars worth of nickels and dimes
She sat around and counted them a million times

* And we all know who felt he like was the King Sweden don’t we?

Anyhow looks like she dreamed about the wrong guy - Ellery's got all the money!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 07:51:15 pm
This is my solution to the whole bedrest thing...

Bedrest is boring. Ennis and Ellery don't want to live through it, and we don't want to read it. So, the next chapter is dated, "Thursday, November 2, 1984." It starts with Ennis coming home from the doctor.

Ellery says, "How did it go, sweetheart?"

Ennis replies, "Great. We were so careful and didn't have any stress or strain, everythin is healin and..."

"And...?"

"And he said we could get married on Sunday."

"Ya told him you were queer?!"

"No, I just told him I'm gettin married, and already had ta postpone it a week."

Voila!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 20, 2006, 08:34:37 pm
Quote from: Marge_Innavera on November 17, 2006, 01:16:39 pm

Yes; for some it's apparently A-OK to depict fisting, golden showers, domestic violence and murder, Ennis as a hit man, Jack as a truck stop whore, etc. but a loving, monogamous relationship between Ennis and another man after Jack is dead (yes, that did happen in the original story, people; deal with it!) -- OMG, cover my eyes, I can't look! Annie would be outraged!

There's something more than a little irrational going on here.  8)

I've heard of the Ennis as a hit man one, but haven't had any desire to try it - just too AU for me.  But, jack as a truck stop whore?  Golden showers?  OMG!  Ewwww.  Anyone know the names of those fics so I can avoid running into them by accident?

Some of the things that go on in this fandom just boggle my mind.   :o

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 20, 2006, 09:30:51 pm
Glad to have you back, NavyVet, we've missed you alot!

Hugs and more,

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 20, 2006, 09:43:11 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 20, 2006, 08:34:37 pm
I've heard of the Ennis as a hit man one, but haven't had any desire to try it - just too AU for me.  But, jack as a truck stop whore?  Golden showers?  OMG!  Ewwww.  Anyone know the names of those fics so I can avoid running into them by accident?

Some of the things that go on in this fandom just boggle my mind.   :o

I'm a big fan of AU!AU (the hit man one is "Zero at the Bone," which I am writing; Jack is a surgeon in it).  The "truck stop whore" fic is "The Wolf and the Thunderbird" by Kumari, and it's actually very good.  As with everything else, summarizing it as "Jack is a truck stop whore" is oversimplified and does the fic no justice.  It's not my absolutely favorite AU!AU, but Kumari is one of our best writers.

The more AU!AU I read, the more I get the sense of Jack and Ennis as universal archetypes, reborn into different times and circumstances, reimagined as different men meeting in different situations, but still seeing what they are to each other.  It's like they exist at all times and all places, and their incarnations on Brokeback fromt he canon are just one of their existences.

Back on topic!  Only one chapter today!  WAAAAHHH!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 20, 2006, 09:54:29 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 20, 2006, 02:07:38 pm


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/e8203dd1.jpg)

OMG, that's the cutest little thing I've ever seen!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on November 20, 2006, 11:15:13 pm
Ahhh..........

big sigh.

It is so nice to be back in the loop again.  You guys have entertained me immensely this evening with the new verbage, and pictures of foo-foo dogs.  (I have two of them!)

Seriously though, no sex for a week for Ennis?  Someone has to come up with some sort of alternative??  Ellery has to take a business trip?  Thus he's not tempted.  What will we do?  (Maybe we will get to read about Dupree?)

Well, it's back to work for me.

I've missed you guys!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 20, 2006, 11:48:58 pm
Quote from: notBastet on November 20, 2006, 11:15:13 pm
Ahhh..........

I've missed you guys!

We've definitely missed ya Kell!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 20, 2006, 11:55:08 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 20, 2006, 01:21:59 pm
Someone call Webster's dictionary, will ya?  :P


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what they want.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee.



Here is another possibility derived from the most recent developments in the LS:

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 12:08:46 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 20, 2006, 11:55:08 pm
Here is another possibility derived from the most recent developments in the LS:

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.


hahaha Richard! 

Fistulation - jeez, sounds porn-ish!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 12:11:27 am
Ok..so ..So far we have: 

to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.


LOL..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 01:10:25 am
Quote from: MadLori on November 20, 2006, 09:43:11 pm
I'm a big fan of AU!AU (the hit man one is "Zero at the Bone," which I am writing; Jack is a surgeon in it).  The "truck stop whore" fic is "The Wolf and the Thunderbird" by Kumari, and it's actually very good.  As with everything else, summarizing it as "Jack is a truck stop whore" is oversimplified and does the fic no justice.  It's not my absolutely favorite AU!AU, but Kumari is one of our best writers.

The more AU!AU I read, the more I get the sense of Jack and Ennis as universal archetypes, reborn into different times and circumstances, reimagined as different men meeting in different situations, but still seeing what they are to each other.  It's like they exist at all times and all places, and their incarnations on Brokeback fromt he canon are just one of their existences.

Back on topic!  Only one chapter today!  WAAAAHHH!!!

I see your point and agree about Jack and Ennis as archetypes. It's just that far more latitude has been given to the kind of experimentation and expansion on the story that you describe than has ever been accorded to LS.

Jack and Ennis exist as archetypes in multiple environments as a pair. But BBM is more often viewed in the less rarefied context of ongoing daily life in which Ennis is left alone. So as well as tapping into our psyches in a symbolic way with Jack, at another level he is also a flesh and blood being who we relate to in more ordinary terms of human existence which involves loss and loneliness, dealing with change, taking risks, the process of recovery and personal development.

Fans can be very flip and sophisticated about golden showers and whatever else in the name of artistic license when Jack and Ennis are paired. But let's face it, when Ennis engages in sexual experimentation with a new partner in life it is amazing how all that sophisticated offhandedness disappears to be replaced by schoolmarm primness and tut tutting disapproval!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 01:28:45 am
What the hell is schmoop?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 21, 2006, 02:20:59 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 20, 2006, 11:55:08 pm
Here is another possibility derived from the most recent developments in the LS:

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.


you know I probably shouldn't bring this up, but most older horseman, esp, western cattle/horsemen or teamsters know about fistula---in the past some working horses would get fistulas of the withers from ill fitting equipment, and they are very hard to get cleaned up and healed.   Ennis may not, as there are not very many draft type situations any more, and the equipment horsemen use has improved so much and, since a lot of the chores got moved to tractors,  but it is still something that can and does happen occasionally.   I have only seen one case ever, but have seen some awful pictures in older 1900s vet books.    Just sort of a FYI. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 21, 2006, 03:06:06 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 01:10:25 am

Fans can be very flip and sophisticated about golden showers and whatever else in the name of artistic license when Jack and Ennis are paired. But let's face it, when Ennis engages in sexual experimentation with a new partner in life it is amazing how all that sophisticated offhandedness disappears to be replaced by schoolmarm primness and tut tutting disapproval!


While I share your bafflement over the reaction to events in the LS, it's not true that all other fics are given a free pass to do anything.  At this very moment on DC there's an approaching-heated discussion about people's dislike for something going on in one of Maggie's fics.  A lot of people take issues with things that have happened in "Beans & Crazies."  There are a lot of fics that have gotten the "out of character" accusation or that things have been taken in directions sexually that are hard to believe.  Nowhere near the reaction to the LS, of course, and I think you're probably right in that if it were Jack, it might have been okay.

And the rules are somewhat different in AU!AU.  The LS and other fics that follow along after canon (like Riding Fence, for example) are often held to a stronger standard of keeping the characters in character.  I don't believe that LS!Ennis is out of character as Louise has developed him.  Some people do.  Plain old ordinary AUs (like Leslie's fic, or mine) also are expected to hew closer to the canon-character line, although we get more leeway with taking the story in a different direction.  AU!AUs, while most people feel that you ought to find some essential core of the charcter and bring it into the new surroundings, get the most latitude.  A lot of character differences can be imagined for a Jack and Ennis that grew up differently, in different circumstances.

I'm saying that what might fly in an AU!AU might not fly in a post-canon fic.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 21, 2006, 04:03:12 am
Quote from: NavyVet on November 20, 2006, 07:13:51 pm
I'm baaaaack!

Mickey Mouse says hello.  I missed y'all!

Caught up on all the 'fantabulous!' chapters - hoo-weee! ...but I'm woefully behind on the thread, so going back to where I left off, which was page 464 ... I think. 

 :) 8)

Good to be home.  Did a lot of walking.  Hurt my knee, got swollen ankles, and caught a bug so now my throat is killing me....
And I gotta cook a turkey dinner Thursday.   Oh, well.
do what i do, go over to someone elses house for dinner and bring a side dish..heheh    great to see you back, hope the legs get better soon...janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 04:26:19 am
Quote from: MadLori on November 21, 2006, 03:06:06 am
While I share your bafflement over the reaction to events in the LS, it's not true that all other fics are given a free pass to do anything.  At this very moment on DC there's an approaching-heated discussion about people's dislike for something going on in one of Maggie's fics.  A lot of people take issues with things that have happened in "Beans & Crazies."  There are a lot of fics that have gotten the "out of character" accusation or that things have been taken in directions sexually that are hard to believe.  Nowhere near the reaction to the LS, of course, and I think you're probably right in that if it were Jack, it might have been okay.

And the rules are somewhat different in AU!AU.  The LS and other fics that follow along after canon (like Riding Fence, for example) are often held to a stronger standard of keeping the characters in character.  I don't believe that LS!Ennis is out of character as Louise has developed him.  Some people do.  Plain old ordinary AUs (like Leslie's fic, or mine) also are expected to hew closer to the canon-character line, although we get more leeway with taking the story in a different direction.  AU!AUs, while most people feel that you ought to find some essential core of the charcter and bring it into the new surroundings, get the most latitude.  A lot of character differences can be imagined for a Jack and Ennis that grew up differently, in different circumstances.

I'm saying that what might fly in an AU!AU might not fly in a post-canon fic.

Thanks for that interesting commentary. Yes - I notice, for example, in Shades of Grey, Ennis seems rather less conflicted initially while Jack seems to have lost that hopeful spirit.Those character differences emerge from the different life experiences of the two men. It seems that character variations are more acceptable where a whole different life scenario is presented as opposed to variations based on a scenario extending beyond AP's story.

Nevertheless it seems that if Ennis goes in a direction people are not comfortable with, then fair, objective commentary is hard to come by. As one poster put it elsewhere: It isn't that Ennis would not enter a new relationship, rather that some fans would not like it if he did. People have a lot of emotional investment in what these characters do. Being able to step back from one's own prejudices and preferences to be critically objective is extremely difficult, particularly in such an emotion-laden fandom as this one.  And that goes for people who like the storyline as well as those who don't!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 21, 2006, 05:22:15 am
SPOILER


You know, Ennis and Ellery have been together long enough and are secure enough in each other's affection that I'm sure they'll cope with a week of abstinence. They can still share some physical affection.

Anyway isn't it true that absence (abstinence) makes the heart (and other parts) grow fonder!  ;D Imagine what the 'reunion' will be like  ;)

It's a bit ironic that they are all other each other most of the time, but now, when they are getting married, they'll have to exercise restraint.

Louise, I'm relieved that we don't have to panic about the Saga ending just yet  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 05:49:51 am
Just a general reminder:  for the sake of encouraging comfort for all readers and all authors on the Fan Fiction board, please try to remember that there are fans of many stories here as well as the authors who wrote the stories, and we try to discourage making comparisons between stories for the purposes of lauding one in favor of another.

That having been said, the apparent "liberties" I have taken with Ennis in the Laramie Saga have met with very contradictory reactions:  fierce condemnation on the one hand, and equally fierce praise on the other.  Very few people who have read the story have said "Eh ... I can take it or leave it."  In fact, I wish some of the first group would leave it - but I don't seem to have the power of discouragement.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 21, 2006, 06:37:15 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 21, 2006, 12:11:27 am
Ok..so ..So far we have: 

to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.


LOL..

So, here's another for what could become The Laramie Lexicon:

To Dupreeciate:  The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 06:52:23 am
That is an excellent one, let me use it in a sentence:

Louise, realizing to her dismay that her plot had fallen victim to rampant Dupreeciation of Ennis and Ellery, hurried to conclude the Saga and give Dupree his own short story before the damage became permanent!


I think there is a historical precedent for Dupreeciation, it might be called "Fraserisation" - the gradual overtaking of "Cheers" by the character of Fraser - to the point where Fraser got his own equally successful sitcom!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 21, 2006, 06:55:16 am
Quote from: louisev on November 21, 2006, 06:52:23 am
That is an excellent one, let me use it in a sentence:

Louise, realizing to her dismay that her plot had fallen victim to rampant Dupreeciation of Ennis and Ellery, hurried to conclude the Saga and give Dupree his own short story before the damage became permanent!

Louise, what ever you do, please do not hurry to complete the Saga.  :o

I do love Dupree, but, Ennis and Ellery are still the characters I like to read about the most. Oh yes!

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 21, 2006, 06:58:47 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 01:28:45 am
What the hell is schmoop?


There was this  "Seinfeld" episode, where  Jerry and a girlfriend kept kissing, cuddling, and making baby noises in front of a really grossed- out  George.  They keep  telling each-other "your schmoopy", "no, you're schmoopy", in a cutesy voice, until George had enough and barked, "ok, you're BOTH schmoopy.

Ah, the good old days. ;)

Also, to  "Dupreeciate". Its just too  #$%^ funny   :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 07:04:54 am
I was just about to comment on your previous post, Karen,

As you can all see, the finale of the Saga is in sight, but it isn't quite over yet.  I will be writing "Dupree's Choice" after I finish "The Red Stallion", so that you will all know what to expect.  "Dupree's Choice" will probably be available about 5 to 7 days after the Saga proper is concluded, as per my previous rather vague plan.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 07:06:53 am
For those of you who are wondering, or bewildered, as to why I voiced complaints about some of the "parodies" and "fanfiction" stories that were published on Livejournal and were subsequently removed:  the Terms of Service in Livejournal do specify that the the use of another user's proprietary content, copyrighted material, ideas or subject matter, is not permitted on Livejournal.  The original content of the Laramie Saga, while it does not carry a copyright, does qualify as proprietary content, and as such, falls under the provisions in Livejournal's Terms of Service.  The rules regarding the proper method of parody do NOT involve the reuse of the specific characters, plots, and ideas of a person's original fiction, or copying of its text - and this is recognized under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.  Anyone who would like to use any of my proprietary content, may do so only with permission, and those same rights extend to all fan authors, whether they know it, or not.

The reason why some websites were suspended had nothing to do with me: if Livejournal requires removal of content, and it is not done by the user himself, they will suspend the account and do it themselves as an enforcement measure.

Just in case anyone was wondering.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 21, 2006, 07:07:14 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 21, 2006, 06:55:16 am
Louise, what ever you do, please do not hurry to complete the Saga.  :o

I do love Dupree, but, Ennis and Ellery are still the characters I like to read about the most. Oh yes!

Karen

Oh yeah, definitely.  Perhaps you can do it this way after the conclusion of LS - every 3 or 4 E&E short stories to be followed by 1 Dupree short story with guest appearances by E&E.  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 21, 2006, 07:22:50 am
Elooo everyone.Mornin June.(twin) lol. ;) ;D
Lovely and bright and sunny today for a change. Re the short stories, is one of them going to be a special honeymoon one? *SIGH*  Ok ok so I,m an old romantic lol. They deserve schmoop, LOTS of schmoop, lots and lots and lots and lots. bless em.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 07:26:17 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 01:28:45 am
What the hell is schmoop?

Schmoop was originally coined by MadLori when she was making a comment about my story..."Don't you think, at times, it gets a little schmoopy?" she said, referring to an overabundance of "I love yous" and "babes" in a particular chapter. I thought her comment was funny. In that context, schmoop would be all the super-sentimenal stuff which we all need, every now and then.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 21, 2006, 07:30:34 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 07:26:17 am
Schmoop was originally coined by MadLori when she was making a comment about my story..."Don't you think, at times, it gets a little schmoopy?" she said, referring to an overabundance of "I love yous" and "babes" in a particular chapter. I thought her comment was funny. In that context, schmoop would be all the super-sentimenal stuff which we all need, every now and then.

Leslie

Leslie there is NEVER, repeat NEVER too much "I love yous" and "babe" in your story. As far as I,m concerned they can NEVER call each other babe too much or say I love you either. They did it all the way through ALBFS and I,m happy to say they are still doing it now. *SIGH* Now then, about "that" aniversary they have to celebrate? you know the one lol.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 07:32:09 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 21, 2006, 06:58:47 am

There was this  "Seinfeld" episode, where  Jerry and a girlfriend kept kissing, cuddling, and making baby noises in front of a really grossed- out  George.  They keep  telling each-other "your schmoopy", "no, you're schmoopy", in a cutesy voice, until George had enough and barked, "ok, you're BOTH schmoopy.

Ah, the good old days. ;)

Also, to  "Dupreeciate". Its just too  #$%^ funny   :laugh:


Ah, okay, Seinfeld. MadLori said it to me and I thought she made the word up.

I am probably one of three people in the US who never, ever watched a single Seinfeld episode. I went around for years before I figured out where Yadda yadda yadda came from.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 07:46:35 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 21, 2006, 06:58:47 am

There was this  "Seinfeld" episode, where  Jerry and a girlfriend kept kissing, cuddling, and making baby noises in front of a really grossed- out  George.  They keep  telling each-other "your schmoopy", "no, you're schmoopy", in a cutesy voice, until George had enough and barked, "ok, you're BOTH schmoopy.

Ah, the good old days. ;)

Also, to  "Dupreeciate". Its just too  #$%^ funny   :laugh:


AAhhhhh! You mean schmaltz!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 08:18:55 am
I think "schmaltz" is more pure sentimentality.

"Schmoop" is definitely limited to the childish babytalk lovers can do with one another when they start acting terminally cutesy.  It is certainly a memorable line when George bursts out "Okay, you're BOTH Schmoopy!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on November 21, 2006, 10:01:52 am
Thanks Louise for clearing up what will happen in OUR futures as it pertains to Ennis and Ellery.  You are very generous.

Side bar:  Just finished reading "Marley and Me" and have been inspired that the guys ( Ennis and Ellery) need a dog. I mean a man dog.  A big Lab would be perfect.  Read the book and picture that dog (Marley) in Laramie Saga.

 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 21, 2006, 10:06:02 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 07:32:09 am

I am probably one of three people in the US who never, ever watched a single Seinfeld episode. I went around for years before I figured out where Yadda yadda yadda came from.

Leslie

I've watched a few episodes of Seinfeld, but I must confess that I didn't find it remotely amusing at all. I mentioned this once at work and everyone around me looked at me as if I just confessed to eating babies.

Maybe I need therepy.

Ahh.... another chapter of LS, that will help...  ;D

Louise, my sanity is in your hands.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 21, 2006, 10:13:27 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 20, 2006, 02:07:38 pm
Don't look at me ..
It was Souxi who was talking about biting Bunny's tit!  Not me!  :(
Souxi Nasty, more like ..  ;D

Edit to add:
And about the casting thingie, Souxi was cast as Bunny's chihuahua, not a poodle ..  :laugh:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/e8203dd1.jpg)

Hahahaha ~ Souxi Nasty eh??!  ;D

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 21, 2006, 10:17:15 am
Quote from: louisev on November 20, 2006, 06:03:54 pm
yes, remember the "sex headache"?  Hm?  Hm?

Yep, I do!  ::)

 :P

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 10:31:47 am
Quote from: souxi on November 21, 2006, 07:30:34 am
Leslie there is NEVER, repeat NEVER too much "I love yous" and "babe" in your story. As far as I,m concerned they can NEVER call each other babe too much or say I love you either. They did it all the way through ALBFS and I,m happy to say they are still doing it now. *SIGH* Now then, about "that" aniversary they have to celebrate? you know the one lol.  ;) ;D


Ah, Siouxi, thanks...

There is a Christmas at the LazyL thread over in the holiday forum. You may want to check it out...

Yes, the anniversary is looming....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 10:36:57 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 21, 2006, 10:06:02 am
I've watched a few episodes of Seinfeld, but I must confess that I didn't find it remotely amusing at all. I mentioned this once at work and everyone around me looked at me as if I just confessed to eating babies.


LOL...some of us pay a very high price for "aberrant" tastes in pop culture. I never watched Cheers, Seinfeld, Frasier, Grey's Anatomy, etc., etc.,...however "The Apprentice" was a guilty pleasure for three go-rounds, then I got bored with it.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 21, 2006, 10:44:09 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 10:36:57 am
LOL...some of us pay a very high price for "aberrant" tastes in pop culture. I never watched Cheers, Seinfeld, Frasier, Grey's Anatomy, etc., etc.,...however "The Apprentice" was a guilty pleasure for three go-rounds, then I got bored with it.

L

Oh I totally LOVED Cheers. Where everyobody knows your name, and they're always glad you came!

In fact, sometimes the environment at The Red Stallion reminds me of Cheers. Though there's no Norm or Cliff or even mean Carla!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 11:10:06 am
I havent watched tv in many years.  Now I am recalling why.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 11:40:18 am
I am typity typing at this hour.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 12:01:00 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153084.html  "Chapter 100:  Irregular Procedures."

NO THIS IS NOT THE LAST CHAPTER!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 21, 2006, 12:19:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 21, 2006, 12:01:00 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153084.html  "Chapter 100:  Irregular Procedures."

NO THIS IS NOT THE LAST CHAPTER!!!

So only another 50 to go then Louise? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 21, 2006, 12:20:08 pm
Do you know it,s absolutly freeeeeezing here today. brrr I,m cold. I,ve been freezing all day I have. Poor me. :( :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 01:12:23 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 21, 2006, 12:19:04 pm
So only another 50 to go then Louise? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

are you trying to kid a kidder, there, Souxi?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 01:46:55 pm
Hello Everyone!

I have let Dear Ol' Cousin JULIA  out of the vault for an hour to celebrate our 100 chapters occasion!
Everyone!  Please, be NICE to her!!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/3caceaa2.gif)

If you are good, you can have a few ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/a4d2cbe9.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/a4d2cbe9.gif)

..to celebrate ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 01:59:53 pm
And the Laramie Lexicon continues to grow ..  ;D


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate:  The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).


Haha..I love it!  I think I have one ..


to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 02:35:05 pm
I have another, Lucise....

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Usage: "I am westifying with the marriage license, Ellery, but it's cause Edna n me believe you two boys should be able ta be married."

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on November 21, 2006, 02:39:39 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 21, 2006, 07:06:53 am
For those of you who are wondering, or bewildered, as to why I voiced complaints about some of the "parodies" and "fanfiction" stories that were published on Livejournal and were subsequently removed:

This does not actually answer why you voiced complaints – unless, of course, your reason is simply “because I can”.  Furthermore the suspension of the journals was related entirely to the LS fanfiction “A Ghost of a Chance” and in no way to “Parody” entries.

Quote
the Terms of Service in Livejournal do specify that the the use of another user's proprietary content, copyrighted material, ideas or subject matter, is not permitted on Livejournal.

Which does, of course include copyrighted material from the short story Brokeback Mountain by Annie Proulx.  “Fanfiction” is copyright theft.

Quote
The original content of the Laramie Saga, while it does not carry a copyright, does qualify as proprietary content, and as such, falls under the provisions in Livejournal's Terms of Service.

And under the Bern Convention (1971 revision, Article 12): “Authors of literary or artistic works shall enjoy the exclusive right of authorizing adaptations, arrangements and other alterations of their works.”  Therefore, Annie Proulx has legal rights to the Laramie Saga (if she doesn't choose to sue on the grounds of copyright violation).  She’d also have rights to A Ghost of a Chance.

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The rules regarding the proper method of parody do NOT involve the reuse of the specific characters, plots, and ideas of a person's original fiction, or copying of its text - and this is recognized under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.  Anyone who would like to use any of my proprietary content, may do so only with permission, and those same rights extend to all fan authors,  whether they know it, or not.

I think the issue here is not whether fan authors know that they have some claim to their own works but rather whether any of them would actually challenge another fan author over the issue of copyright.  It seems obscenely narcissistic and hypocritical to me.

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The reason why some websites were suspended had nothing to do with me:

That is untrue in the case of Kelpersmek and notthekelps livejournals.  These accounts were suspended following a report filed to the LJ Abuse Team under the following terms:

“We have received a report, properly formatted under the provisions set forth by
United States law, indicating that your entries located at **** and **** violates the copyright of another”


Quote
if Livejournal requires removal of content, and it is not done by the user himself, they will suspend the account and do it themselves as an enforcement measure.

Actually, what happens is that you have the option of deleting the offending entries or filing a counter-notification which “indicates that you are willing to defend yourself in court against a charge of copyright infringement, and you may be bound by civil and possibly criminal penalties if you are found liable.”

During this period, your account is suspended pending court proceedings.  From the LJ FAQ section on copyright: “Following receipt of a counter-notification, the original notifier will be provided with a copy of the counter-notification. Access to the content will remain disabled. Unless the original notifier informs the LiveJournal Abuse Team that an action has been filed seeking a court order to restrict access to the content, the content will be replaced after 14 business days.”

If the content is not removed and a counter-notification under the “fair use clause” is not sent to the LJ Abuse Team, the journal is permanently suspended.  At no point does Livejournal remove content from users’ journals.


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Just in case anyone was wondering.

I wasn’t.  I know exactly what is going on here but I thought I would clarify for the benefit of others.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 02:46:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 02:35:05 pm
I have another, Lucise....

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Usage: "I am westifying with the marriage license, Ellery, but it's cause Edna n me believe you two boys should be able ta be married."

Leslie


Excellent, Leslie!  ;)  Who knew we could come up with our own LS dictionary? lol..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 02:55:53 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153279.html  "Chapter 101:  Abstinence Makes the Heart Grow Fonder"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 02:59:13 pm
Very promising title there Louise!
Very promising indeed !   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 21, 2006, 03:09:31 pm
SPOILER!

Quote from: louisev on November 21, 2006, 02:55:53 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153279.html  "Chapter 101:  Abstinence Makes the Heart Grow Fonder"





Rings? You've been definitely Leslied! LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 03:12:05 pm
Ok, I am reading that chap.. and ,,


Carol looked up from the switchboard, taking the earphones off her head and stared at Joe. “Congratulations for what?”

“Ennis got an armbone removed from his ear,” Joe said, smiling happily.

“Huh?”


 :laugh:
Too funny! lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 03:12:39 pm
no!  I haven't. I haven't haven't haven't!

*stomps foot.*

No!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 21, 2006, 03:20:59 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 21, 2006, 03:12:39 pm
no!  I haven't. I haven't haven't haven't!

*stomps foot.*

No!

Hehehehe yeah ya have lol. Right I,m off for the nite, c ya tomorow peeps. Nite all, nite June. (sis) lol. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 03:22:08 pm
and now a pause for some more wonderful Hughdity:

(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1276/vogue1106exi4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 03:28:50 pm
And.. another pause for ..
A Little Piece of Heathen ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/83306a85.jpg)


Edit to add:
Another hunk in a black suit ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Jake/a3762e7b.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 04:23:37 pm
And I can't resist more Hughdity:

(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9017/hugh002005os6.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 04:52:50 pm
Y. U. M. M. Y!

Do these men look hot in black or whut? Damn!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 21, 2006, 04:54:22 pm
Another for the lexicon:

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

[This term may be inapplicable for Ennis and Ellery in their present circumstances.  ;) ]
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 21, 2006, 05:07:55 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 21, 2006, 03:28:50 pm
And.. another pause for ..
A Little Piece of Heathen ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/83306a85.jpg)


Edit to add:
Another hunk in a black suit ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Jake/a3762e7b.jpg)
  oh my god that is one of the best pics ever of heath...yumm
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 21, 2006, 05:10:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 21, 2006, 02:55:53 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153279.html  "Chapter 101:  Abstinence Makes the Heart Grow Fonder"

SPOILER

That was sweet. Just shows how much their relationship has grown that a week or so without 'relations' isn't as worrying to them as it would once have been. Especially Ellery who used to feel that he had to be on tap, so to speak.

I am a little curious as to why they haven't decided to postpone the ceremony. Seeing as it's going to be very private and low key would it matter if they waited a few days?

I'm also confused as to how Wes might get into trouble if he doesn't plan to file the licence. It's just going to be symbolic isn't it?

Sorry if I'm being dim - have a stinking old (as does my little one) and it's freezing here today.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 05:18:15 pm
SPOILER:



Both of them are at least somewhat aware that Edna wants to make this a VERY BIG DEAL.  Also, it is clear to Ellery that Wes isn't going to tell Edna that this is not a legal thing, and so it has to be kept rather discreet.  No, Wes would not be in any trouble if he does not file the marriage license - however, if someone thinks he did, or makes a complaint that he did, then that in itself can cause problems, and outside of the intimate circle of co-workers, acquaintances, and Wes's sphere of influence, any publicity of Ennis and Ellery living together in a "marital" situation can still be politically risky, for Wes and for Mel, and it could easily lead to more than getting their windows broken or their house spray-painted.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 05:18:17 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 21, 2006, 04:54:22 pm
Another for the lexicon:

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

[This term may be inapplicable for Ennis and Ellery in their present circumstances.  ;) ]

Hey Richard .. you know that there aint no fancifulness without first getting riled right?  ;D  So ..


Ril-ition ~ The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 21, 2006, 05:38:52 pm
Louise, I think it is incumbent on you to provide us with a definition of 'hughdity', don't you think?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 21, 2006, 05:39:55 pm
 ;D   yep, I think that is a wonderful new definition----works for me!!
good one Lucise,  burning  Pillsbury indeed!! ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 21, 2006, 05:50:37 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 21, 2006, 01:46:55 pm
Hello Everyone!

I have let Dear Ol' Cousin JULIA  out of the vault for an hour to celebrate our 100 chapters occasion!
Everyone!  Please, be NICE to her!!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/3caceaa2.gif)

If you are good, you can have a few ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/a4d2cbe9.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/a4d2cbe9.gif)

..to celebrate ..
                                  TEE HHHEE HHEH HE  FUNNY LUCISE
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 05:56:30 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 21, 2006, 05:38:52 pm
Louise, I think it is incumbent on you to provide us with a definition of 'hughdity', don't you think?

Hughdity is a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

To wit:

(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4629/hughnakedcn7.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 06:01:58 pm

Umm.. can someone please define the term Bunni-fication? or to bunnificate?   :laugh:


ok..I better go get some stuff done!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 06:13:25 pm
okay, this should be the definitive measure of 100% Hughdity:

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9903/wolvieveinsms0.jpg)

Those are not CGI arms and shoulders, boys and girls.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on November 21, 2006, 06:16:24 pm
Quote from: merrobot on November 21, 2006, 02:39:39 pm
These accounts were suspended following a report filed to the LJ Abuse Team

Just a little update from the LJ Abuse Team: "Thank you for your prompt attention to this. As you have deleted all of the entries in question, we will now consider this matter closed."

For those of you who may have been expressing concerns on this issue, Kelpersmek has had his LJ reinstated at http://kelpersmek.livejournal.com/ (http://kelpersmek.livejournal.com/)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 06:23:50 pm
Merrobot,

Please keep the topic of Kelpersmek and his stories out of this thread.  This is for discussion of the Laramie Saga.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 21, 2006, 06:25:56 pm
Louise - that is a fine picture indeed, however, I'm not so keen on the bulging veins (well, not on arms anyway).

*runs for cover*

Pale Rider is on ITV4 over here. Just to make Ennis jealous.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 21, 2006, 06:26:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 21, 2006, 06:13:25 pm
okay, this should be the definitive measure of 100% Hughdity:

Those are not CGI arms and shoulders, boys and girls.

Oh, my!  He must have really had to pump up for that role - he looks so lean the rest of the time.  Look at those beefy arms... and the veins!  Whew!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 06:32:04 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 21, 2006, 06:26:20 pm
 Whew!

Rhymes with Hugh!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on November 21, 2006, 06:32:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 21, 2006, 06:23:50 pm
Merrobot,

Please keep the topic of Kelpersmek and his stories out of this thread.  This is for discussion of the Laramie Saga.  Thanks.

Fine but you did start the ball rolling by posting earlier today.  It seems rather unreasonable for you to make comments that are clearly about his journal here (and not in response to another entry on the thread) and then not allow anyone to respond to your comment on this thread.  If you do not wish discussion of this issue on this thread, I suggest you answer any queries you have received elsewhere on  your own LJ, by PM or direct people to contact myself or Kelpersmek.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 06:35:02 pm
yes, he did have to pump up. a LOT.  And he is enormously strong, too.

And... oh my. I feel a little warm.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 06:42:55 pm
I am totally digging Hugh's belt buckle in that X-Men pic up there .. 


Yes, I was looking at his belt buckle ..jeez!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 21, 2006, 06:49:59 pm
Yeah, definitely a very cool belt buckle.  I liked it, too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 21, 2006, 06:55:13 pm
He wears it throughout the series when he isn't wearing that leather and PVC catsuit.  Which - contrary to what he says on an interview, there were a number of those made for him, all of which were "more or less ruined during filming."

Question to ponder in XMen-3 - If Phoenix was SO DARNED POWERFUL how come she couldn't disintegrate the pants off Wolverine in the final confrontation?  Does he have adamantium undies?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 07:11:53 pm
Putting on my moderator hat for a minute:

Quote from: merrobot on November 21, 2006, 06:32:54 pm
Fine but you did start the ball rolling by posting earlier today.  It seems rather unreasonable for you to make comments that are clearly about his journal here (and not in response to another entry on the thread) and then not allow anyone to respond to your comment on this thread.  If you do not wish discussion of this issue on this thread, I suggest you answer any queries you have received elsewhere on  your own LJ, by PM or direct people to contact myself or Kelpersmek.

This is a good suggestion and I would like further discussion on this issue to be handled as Merrobot suggests. I am also available, at any time, to answer questions or clarify concerns. Thanks in advance, everyone.

Now....back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

Leslie
Moderator, Fanfic
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 21, 2006, 07:28:08 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 07:11:53 pm

Now....back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

Leslie
Moderator, Fanfic

Here here!       Let's press on with all possible dispatch!

........the boys at the Red Stallion are lining up to see who gets first crack at Dupree!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 07:32:24 pm

Umm, David, exactly how big is your Naughty Boy photo collection?   ;D  Damn!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 21, 2006, 07:34:07 pm
Um,   almost as big as your collection?   Tee hee hee!    :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 07:36:36 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 21, 2006, 07:34:07 pm
Um,   almost as big as your collection?   Tee hee hee!    :laugh:

My collection is very modest as compared to yours, not to mention Sheriff Roland's! lol..
Remember the "English policeman" pic ??  I am still in therapy because of it ..  ;D ;D

ok..ok.. Back to things ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 21, 2006, 07:42:32 pm
Oh, David!
That trio was lovely!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 21, 2006, 07:42:50 pm
don't forget the full frontal nudity pic of Jake.   That sure got me in trouble!!    Although rumour has it that there is still one copy of it buried in the NC-17 thread.  All 281 pages of it!    LOL.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 07:45:42 pm
Laramie Skills Audit

Souxi – weather girl
Ranchgal – horse expert
Milli – art expert
Bigheart – Dutch auntie
David – sexy male expert
Leslie – medical consultant
Louise – Hugh groupie
Sheriff Roland – photographic consultant
Richard – pun meister
MadLori – fanfic authority
NavyVet – young spunk expert
TH – philosophical issues
pastorfred –  spiritual wellbeing expert

Sorry this is all I could think of first up. If I have missed you out please nominate your skill!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 07:47:03 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 21, 2006, 07:42:50 pm
don't forget the full frontal nudity pic of Jake.   That sure got me in trouble!!    Although rumour has it that there is still one copy of it buried in the NC-17 thread.  All 281 pages of it!    LOL.

OK I'll be brave like Ennis and ask. Where is the NC-17 thread?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 21, 2006, 07:54:49 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 07:47:03 pm
OK I'll be brave like Ennis and ask. Where is the NC-17 thread?

OMG!   don't bother.   It would take forever to find it there.    It would be faster just to post the link to an off-BetterMost site that has the pic.   

That's not breaking the rules, just skirting around them.   ::)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67347027@N00/145041280/in/pool-13857979@N00/  (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67347027@N00/145041280/in/pool-13857979@N00/)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 08:00:21 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 07:45:42 pm
Laramie Skills Audit


Leslie – medical consultant

Sorry this is all I could think of first up. If I have missed you out please nominate your skill!


I believe I have also filled the roles of Stats Chick, Prop Mistress, and on occasion, archivist, although I would gladly hand the reins of that last one to Lucise.

I have also posted lots of recipes. What does that make me? The Edna-wannabee?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 21, 2006, 08:03:59 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 07:45:42 pm
Laramie Skills Audit

Sorry this is all I could think of first up. If I have missed you out please nominate your skill!


Umm.. Jo, I don't see you in the list there!  Helloooooo! 
Aren't you like a poet extraordinaire or something ..  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 08:08:52 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 21, 2006, 08:03:59 pm
Umm.. Jo, I don't see you in the list there!  Helloooooo! 
Aren't like a poet extraordinaire or something ..  ;)

Poet Laureate of the Laramie Saga, I would say....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 21, 2006, 08:26:21 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 07:45:42 pm
Laramie Skills Audit

Souxi – weather girl
Ranchgal – horse expert
Milli – art expert
Bigheart – Dutch auntie
David – sexy male expert
Leslie – medical consultant
Louise – Hugh groupie
Sheriff Roland – photographic consultant
Richard – pun meister
MadLori – fanfic authority
NavyVet – young spunk expert
TH – philosophical issues
pastorfred –  spiritual wellbeing expert

Sorry this is all I could think of first up. If I have missed you out please nominate your skill!


Opinionista - Senior plot consultant and translator
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 08:49:18 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 08:00:21 pm
I believe I have also filled the roles of Stats Chick, Prop Mistress, and on occasion, archivist, although I would gladly hand the reins of that last one to Lucise.

I have also posted lots of recipes. What does that make me? The Edna-wannabee?

Leslie

That makes you multi-tasker extraordinaire - like most women!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 21, 2006, 09:17:40 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 07:45:42 pm
Laramie Skills Audit

Souxi – weather girl
Ranchgal – horse expert
Milli – art expert
Bigheart – Dutch auntie
David – sexy male expert
Leslie – medical consultant
Louise – Hugh groupie
Sheriff Roland – photographic consultant
Richard – pun meister
MadLori – fanfic authority
NavyVet – young spunk expert
TH – philosophical issues
pastorfred –  spiritual wellbeing expert

Sorry this is all I could think of first up. If I have missed you out please nominate your skill!



ROFLMAO!    :laugh:   Would 'young spunk' be the same thing as 'stud puppy'?
If that's the case, I'm just gonna HAVE to include a new pic for y'all!  Muwah-ha-ha-ha!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 09:56:40 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 21, 2006, 07:54:49 pm
OMG!   don't bother.   It would take forever to find it there.    It would be faster just to post the link to an off-BetterMost site that has the pic.   

That's not breaking the rules, just skirting around them.   ::)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67347027@N00/145041280/in/pool-13857979@N00/  (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67347027@N00/145041280/in/pool-13857979@N00/)

David, it doesn't work, honey. Ya gotta log in... >:(

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 10:02:14 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 21, 2006, 06:01:58 pm
Umm.. can someone please define the term Bunni-fication? or to bunnificate?   :laugh:


ok..I better go get some stuff done!

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...

usage:

Bunny, at an intimate ladies lunch with her friend Ethel, "Ethel, Wes and Edna have hired this new ranch hand and he is so handsome...dreamy like you wouldn't believe. Every time I look at him I bunnifcate in my panties!"

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 21, 2006, 10:11:07 pm
Let me try it this way....

http://static.flickr.com/44/145041280_5a2c263543.jpg?v=0  (http://static.flickr.com/44/145041280_5a2c263543.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 10:24:08 pm
Ah yes, I remember that picture from NC17 thread days....brings back a host of good memories....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 21, 2006, 10:48:37 pm
Maybe this guy could be more to Dupree's liking, that is, IF he decides to swing that way:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 10:51:26 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 21, 2006, 10:11:07 pm
Let me try it this way....

http://static.flickr.com/44/145041280_5a2c263543.jpg?v=0  (http://static.flickr.com/44/145041280_5a2c263543.jpg?v=0)

You know, I remember this picture from before....why does he have that weird, white Frankenstein sort of hand? Huh? Odd...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 21, 2006, 11:17:37 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 21, 2006, 10:48:37 pm
Maybe this guy could be more to Dupree's liking, that is, IF he decides to swing that way:

Quote from: magicmountain on November 21, 2006, 07:45:42 pm
Laramie Skills Audit

Sheriff Roland – photographic consultant


My thankyee - this acknowlegement made me feel right special

BTW, If this guy becomes a staple a the Laramie characters - I can supply yee with a $h!tload a Pavel Novotney pics. I must have some 400 pics a him - mind you, most of 'em are nekked as a jay bird, and quite frequently in full (gay) action.

Hey, y'all! Think Milli's prob'bly right - don't b'lieve any a your collections rival mine  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 21, 2006, 11:33:42 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 21, 2006, 11:17:37 pm
My thankyee - this acknowlegement made me feel right special

BTW, If this guy becomes a staple a the Laramie characters - I can supply yee with a $h!tload a Pavel Novotney pics. I must have some 400 pics a him - mind you, most of 'em are nekked as a jay bird, and quite frequently in full (gay) action.

Hey, y'all! Think Milli's prob'bly right - don't b'lieve any a your collections rival mine  ;D

OMFG!  400?  Nekkid?   Oh, Sheriff, I want you for my new best friend!   ;)  I'd luv to gander some of those if ya have 'em posted anywhere...  I only have a few stills, but I do have some .mpeg clips.   Hmmmm.... maybe we could work out a trade...  :laugh:  Pavel's got one hell of an impressive ... um ... package.

 8)  I'm so naughty!
NavyVet
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 01:21:00 am
Okay, people ... just to recap:  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6ed14900.jpg)


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

Ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...




hehe .. I think I'm getting proper schooled in LS-ian ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 22, 2006, 01:50:17 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 21, 2006, 03:28:50 pm
And.. another pause for ..
A Little Piece of Heathen ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/83306a85.jpg)


Edit to add:
Another hunk in a black suit ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Jake/a3762e7b.jpg)

OH. MY. GOD - I think I just blacked out for a sec there Milli!! Gorgeous.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 22, 2006, 01:57:30 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 22, 2006, 01:21:00 am
Okay, people ... just to recap:  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6ed14900.jpg)


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer  ::)

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

Ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...




hehe .. I think I'm getting proper schooled in LS-ian ..  ;D

This is so wonderful Milli!! You are amazing!!

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David In Indy on November 22, 2006, 02:03:02 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 21, 2006, 03:28:50 pm
And.. another pause for ..
A Little Piece of Heathen ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Heath/83306a85.jpg)


Edit to add:
Another hunk in a black suit ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Jake/a3762e7b.jpg)

Both of those men are too hot for color TV.  8)

I just thought I would stick my nose in the door. Ya'll behave yourselves now!


Quote from: louisev on November 21, 2006, 06:13:25 pm
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9903/wolvieveinsms0.jpg)



Have mercy.  :o

I guess I need to look in here more often.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: blanka on November 22, 2006, 02:14:04 am
Hi everyone, Lucise?
If i'm doing this alright let me know, please.
Love to read all the constructive and very funny comments.
          Bianka
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 22, 2006, 02:34:52 am
Hi Bianka  :)

Nice to see you here!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 22, 2006, 02:40:30 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 21, 2006, 10:51:26 pm
You know, I remember this picture from before....why does he have that weird, white Frankenstein sort of hand? Huh? Odd...

L

HOLY GOD.  I've never seen THAT picture before.

He has truly been blessed by genetics.  Generously.

I'm forced to wonder where the hell this CAME from.  Why is he posing nude?  Where?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 02:46:03 am
Quote from: blanka on November 22, 2006, 02:14:04 am
Hi everyone, Lucise?
If i'm doing this alright let me know, please.
Love to read all the constructive and very funny comments.
          Bianka

HEY!!

You did it!  Welcome BIANKA!  ;D
Great to see you here!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 02:48:30 am
Quote from: MadLori on November 22, 2006, 02:40:30 am
HOLY GOD.  I've never seen THAT picture before.

He has truly been blessed by genetics.  Generously.

I'm forced to wonder where the hell this CAME from.  Why is he posing nude?  Where?

I am thinking that is a photo manip Lori!  ;)  Not really Jakey.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 22, 2006, 02:52:24 am
Quote from: blanka on November 22, 2006, 02:14:04 am
Hi everyone, Lucise?
If i'm doing this alright let me know, please.
Love to read all the constructive and very funny comments.
          Bianka

Bianka

Welcome to another lurker coming out of lurkdom.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 22, 2006, 04:37:39 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 21, 2006, 10:11:07 pm
Let me try it this way....

http://static.flickr.com/44/145041280_5a2c263543.jpg?v=0  (http://static.flickr.com/44/145041280_5a2c263543.jpg?v=0)

But is that really Jake's body or a manip? I seem to remember he had a slightly less hairy chest in the film.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: blanka on November 22, 2006, 04:42:19 am
    Hi everyone,
  I made a mistake, name is Blanka not Bianka, tiping with 2 fingers,best I can do.
  Thank you for the welcome.
                    Blanka.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 22, 2006, 04:59:23 am
More for the Lexicon

Ednatify – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

Glenfiddled – State of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 05:55:53 am
you guys are amazing.  I wake up to four pages of this spam fan-drool, and it was just what I needed to start my day!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 22, 2006, 06:46:26 am
That pic is a fake Jake for sure.   While Jake does admit to enjoy being naked, he also said he will not do nude pics or scenes unless it is an integral part of the story.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 06:52:09 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 22, 2006, 06:46:26 am
That pic is a fake Jake for sure.   While Jake does admit to enjoy being naked, he also said he will not do nude pics or scenes unless it is an integral part of the story.   

They did an adequate matchup job (unlike the "fake Hugh") full frontal that is on the Skin Index.  There is nooooo way those buffalo balls belong to the guy who fit in THIS bathing suit!

(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2438/de625b8dog2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 22, 2006, 07:04:26 am
Louisev,   maybe the water was real   cold !     :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 08:27:53 am
Quote from: David925 on November 22, 2006, 02:03:02 am
Both of those men are too hot for color TV.  8)

I just thought I would stick my nose in the door. Ya'll behave yourselves now!



Have mercy.  :o

I guess I need to look in here more often.


You certainly do, and we love having you. Welcome!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 08:31:39 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 22, 2006, 07:04:26 am
Louisev,   maybe the water was real   cold !     :laugh:

you know that can't be true, David, most of Australia is about the latitude of Florida, and that means their tourist brochures advertise "No Shrinkage at the Beach."  And Hugh is clearly in Sydney here, as you can tell by the bright subtropical sun.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 08:32:15 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 22, 2006, 04:59:23 am
More for the Lexicon

Ednatify – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

Glenfiddled – State of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness


Jo, I was thinking of the same thing, but I think it should be a verb: to Edna

"Ellery, the state you are in, you are going to burn down the house. I am coming over to Edna you, hear?"

After being completed Ednaed, Ellery was so overcome he got down on his knee and proposed to Ennis.

"Wes, those boys needed a lot of Ednaing, and I gave it to em in spades, with fried chicken and taters."

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 08:32:21 am
I am busy at this hour on chapter 102.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 08:34:22 am
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 08:31:39 am
you know that can't be true, David, most of Australia is about the latitude of Florida, and that means their tourist brochures advertise "No Shrinkage at the Beach."  And Hugh is clearly in Sydney here, as you can tell by the bright subtropical sun.

Um, you are looking at bright subtropical sun, Louise? Uh-huh, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you, cheap.

LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 08:35:09 am
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 08:32:21 am
I am busy at this hour on chapter 102.

Yippee!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 09:10:36 am
Early edition:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153462.html  "Chapter 102:  Indecision"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 22, 2006, 09:22:53 am
SPOILER






Wow!  Is this it for Dupree?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 22, 2006, 09:32:30 am
SPOILER!




















Tonight's the night for Dupree folkes! or so it seems LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 09:45:49 am
*wait till Milli wakes up. We might hear the squeeing all the way over here in Europe.*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 09:55:33 am
I feel really bad for Jeeves, though...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 09:59:27 am
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 09:45:49 am
*wait till Milli wakes up. We might hear the squeeing all the way over here in Europe.*

So the saga is going "Deliverance" on us?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 22, 2006, 10:08:28 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 09:55:33 am
I feel really bad for Jeeves, though...

L
Yeah, I agree.  But Dupree in this chapter just reminded me of when Ennis first met Ellery, so cute and lovely.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 22, 2006, 10:11:14 am
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 09:45:49 am
*wait till Milli wakes up. We might hear the squeeing all the way over here in Europe.*

You mean the "Juneing"??!  ;D

I think I might have woken her up!!  ;D

Great, exciting stuff Louise! I'm LOVING it!  ::)   ;D

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 10:16:33 am
SPOILER


Well, well, well... Mr Sampson sure is a fast worker! Talk about take control! Me like!!  ;D

Please,please,please let Dupree get some jollies! And yeah slow sounds good. Nice and slow. :laugh:

I might even manage a squee June of my own.  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 22, 2006, 10:35:02 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 10:16:33 am
SPOILER


Well, well, well... Mr Sampson sure is a fast worker! Talk about take control! Me like!!  ;D

Please,please,please let Dupree get some jollies! And yeah slow sounds good. Nice and slow. :laugh:

I might even manage a squee June of my own.  ;D

Karen

Yep Karen ~ slow is real good..... :P  I'm liking your Nick too, Louise  ;D

LOL at your "June" Karen!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 22, 2006, 10:57:06 am
Cooooeeeeeee I am about lol, I,ve just been so damn cold today, I,ve put my heating back on again. Wow I liked that chapter. I bet poor Jeremy will be so nervous lol. Cant wait to see what happens. Have you escaped from work Louise?  Glad to hear it if you have. You,d best wrap up warm over the next few days. We(europe) are getting an icy blast from the arctic, so it says on the weather anyway. Snow in scotland, and heavy rain and gales down here. Terrific, just what we need. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 10:59:10 am
Quote from: souxi on November 22, 2006, 10:57:06 am
Cooooeeeeeee I am about lol, I,ve just been so damn cold today, I,ve put my heating back on again. Wow I liked that chapter. I bet poor Jeremy will be so nervous lol. Cant wait to see what happens. Have you escaped from work Louise?  Glad to hear it if you have. You,d best wrap up warm over the next few days. We(europe) are getting an icy blast from the arcitc, so it says on the weather anyway. Snow in scotland, and heavy rain and gales down here. Terrific, just what we need. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

There is nothing worse than  nervous gay virgin.  It's like pile driving a cement block..from my experience...LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 11:01:07 am
can you translate that sentence, Scott?  Riving - ? whaaaa?

No, I haven't escaped work yet, couple of more hours.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 11:10:31 am
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 10:59:10 am
There is nothing worse than  nervous gay virgin.  It's like piled riving a cemet block..from my experience...LOL

LMAO!!!!  :laugh:

Well, let's just hope that Nick limbers him up a bit first.  :)

Of course we could all be jumping to conclusions here.

Louise - one of your more eagerly awaited chapters I think.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 11:33:53 am
oh!  OH!

Pile-driving!  I get it now.

Shows you what I know.

Yes, yes, there will be another chapter today... you know I wouldn't leave you guys hanging on the next episode of "The Nervous Gay Virgin" overnight, do you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 11:38:59 am
I can't believe it. Louise's latest chapter has been posted for 2 hours and 35 minutes and we don't have ONE SINGLE PICTURE of a sexy sailor! David, Roland, Lucise....what's wrong with you guys? Falling asleep at the switch? C'mon...Sheriff "I have more pics of good looking gay guys than anyone else on the planet" Roland...you must have a sailor in the archives. And David "no, I have more pics than you do Roland" inHartford...show us what you are made of! And Lucise "you guys might have more pictures, but I surf the Internet really really well and do great fanart" -- I am waiting for you to put them both to shame!

People, come on!! I'm dying here!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 11:50:13 am
Here ya go

(http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6eaG%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKxgXP0G%3F87KR6xqpxQQlPxllJxQJQxv8uOc5xQQQonnlloGJnGqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G%7CRup6aQQ%7C/of=50,434,442)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 11:51:17 am
Scott!

That is NOT sexy!  Blech!!!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 22, 2006, 11:52:10 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 11:38:59 am
I can't believe it. Louise's latest chapter has been posted for 2 hours and 35 minutes and we don't have ONE SINGLE PICTURE of a sexy sailor! David, Roland, Lucise....what's wrong with you guys? Falling asleep at the switch? C'mon...Sheriff "I have more pics of good looking gay guys than anyone else on the planet" Roland...you must have a sailor in the archives. And David "no, I have more pics than you do Roland" inHartford...show us what you are made of! And Lucise "you guys might have more pictures, but I surf the Internet really really well and do great fanart" -- I am waiting for you to put them both to shame!

People, come on!! I'm dying here!

L

Me too!  ;D

RLMAO Leslie   ;D   ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 11:52:22 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 11:51:17 am
Scott!

That is NOT sexy!  Blech!!!

L

The find your own damn salior...what am I...your pimp?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 22, 2006, 11:53:51 am
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 11:52:22 am
The find your own damn salior...what am I...your pimp?

OMG! LOL!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 11:55:09 am
Leslie...

That's Wentworth Miller.  Did you miss this or what?  Milli specifically ordered a character played by W. Miller!  Flashing blue eyes blabbity blah... don't be ordering up new sailors when Nick Sampson has already been cast!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 22, 2006, 11:59:49 am
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 11:55:09 am
Leslie...

That's Wentworth Miller.  Did you miss this or what?  Milli specifically ordered a character played by W. Miller!  Flashing blue eyes blabbity blah... don't be ordering up new sailors when Nick Sampson has already been cast!!!

That picture above is NOT Wentworth Miller.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 22, 2006, 11:59:57 am
Sorry Louise lol, but I agree with Leslie, hes horrible...yuk. He looks plastic, like a shop manequin. :( :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 22, 2006, 12:01:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 11:55:09 am
Leslie...

That's Wentworth Miller.  Did you miss this or what?  Milli specifically ordered a character played by W. Miller!  Flashing blue eyes blabbity blah... don't be ordering up new sailors when Nick Sampson has already been cast!!!

I think it was RonitR who suggested Wentworth Miller from Prison Break  :) I posted two of his pics a couple of thousand pages back. I didnt know we'd officially gone with him for Dupree's love interest but it's fine with me! YUM!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 22, 2006, 12:03:18 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 22, 2006, 11:59:57 am
Sorry Louise lol, but I agree with Leslie, hes horrible...yuk. He looks plastic, like a shop manequin. :( :(

Gotta agree with my twin here!  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 12:03:30 pm
....okay.... let's start over.

Wentworth Miller was chosen as a not-yet-introduced character to pick up Dupree at the Red Stallion.
Names were bandied around - I chose the suggestion of Nick.

Therefore, Wentworth Miller is cast as Nick Sampson.

The sailor in the pic is not in the discussion, i.e. we do not need to cast Nick.  He has already been cast as Wentworth Miller.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 12:05:18 pm
See what you've started Louise...you sould be ashamed for stirring up all this female excitement the day before a holiday...LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 22, 2006, 12:05:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 12:03:30 pm
....okay.... let's start over.

Wentworth Miller was chosen as a not-yet-introduced character to pick up Dupree at the Red Stallion.
Names were bandied around - I chose the suggestion of Nick.

Therefore, Wentworth Miller is cast as Nick Sampson.

The sailor in the pic is not in the discussion, i.e. we do not need to cast Nick.  He has already been cast as Wentworth Miller.

Ah.  All becomes clear!  now we just need to find a picture of Wentworth Miller in a sailor suit.  Milli?  That's your cue!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 12:07:39 pm
Okay, peeps...

According to Google, THIS is Wentworth Miller aka Nick Sampson

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/wentworth_miller.jpg)

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 12:08:42 pm
Quote from: MadLori on November 22, 2006, 12:05:49 pm
Ah.  All becomes clear!  now we just need to find a picture of Wentworth Miller in a sailor suit.  Milli?  That's your cue!

Yes. I found the head shot with the good looking eyes...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 12:08:58 pm
I could live without him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 12:10:41 pm
It's not a sailor suit but it works for me!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/wentworth_miller-emmy-presenter.jpg)



Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 12:12:06 pm
I guess the decision has been made, but he's just a wee too metrosexual to be a sailor.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 12:14:05 pm
Oh, I am liking this guy more and more... LOL

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/x1pTaFvVZO6zBkkEMBppV7z-hFtsDgZlGcZ.jpg)

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 22, 2006, 12:19:00 pm
Now he is yum yum yum Leslie, very nice indeed...who is he?  ??? ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 12:21:15 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 12:14:05 pm
Oh, I am liking this guy more and more... LOL

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/x1pTaFvVZO6zBkkEMBppV7z-hFtsDgZlGcZ.jpg)

Leslie

Holy crap...what is like 12 years old...Jeremy will end up in jail for enticing a minor.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 22, 2006, 12:22:59 pm
 ??? ??? He looks about 22/23 to me Scott..he,s perfect.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 22, 2006, 12:23:44 pm
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 12:21:15 pm
Holy crap...what is like 12 years old...Jeremy will end up in jail for enticing a minor.

He looks more like in the 19-23 age group from here.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 12:24:02 pm
poor Scott.

By the way, before you all get bunnified over the next chapter... the ultimate conclusion of the saga of Dupree and his love life will not be fully divulged until the follow-on story, "Dupree's Choice."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 12:27:19 pm
Save the sympathy Louise.  Experience is the greatest teacher.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 12:32:46 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 22, 2006, 12:19:00 pm
Now he is yum yum yum Leslie, very nice indeed...who is he?  ??? ???

The three I posted are all the same guy...Wentworth Miller.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 12:35:23 pm
There was a picture of Wentworth Miller all covered in tattoos and I was going to post that, with the question, is this more to the sailor stereotype? but  I just couldn't do it. It was too gross.

And I usally don't mind tattoos but this was...bad.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 12:44:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 12:24:02 pm
poor Scott.

By the way, before you all get bunnified over the next chapter... the ultimate conclusion of the saga of Dupree and his love life will not be fully divulged until the follow-on story, "Dupree's Choice."


Gah! Louise  - you've got to throw us a bone (phnar phnar). Give us something.

You don't want us all gathering at at the steps of Castle Van Hine with flaming torches  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 22, 2006, 12:50:29 pm
Erm Leslie, I,ve never heard of Wentworth Miller. Sorry lol. He is very nice though. Has he been in anything I would have heard of? Sorry to be dense lol. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 22, 2006, 12:52:56 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 22, 2006, 12:50:29 pm
Erm Leslie, I,ve never heard of Wentworth Miller. Sorry lol. He is very nice though. Has he been in anything I would have heard of? Sorry to be dense lol. ;D

I've never heard of him either. Apparently he is in something called "Prison Break."

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 12:58:05 pm
Hiya everyone!

Okay, I just logged in like 15 minutes ago .. and saw a memo stating that Nick was gonna show up today!

Let me just say:

jjjjjjjjjjjuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..

umm..I mean

sqquuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee  ;D ;D

and I havent even read the chapter yet ..


This was the first time we saw those two together ..
(and don't even pretend that you dont think they look HOT together .. :P )


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/9e8ab7ee.jpg)


Wow .. thanks for all the tasty Wentworth pix Leslie!  Hawt damn!   8) 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 01:14:39 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 12:44:11 pm

Gah! Louise  - you've got to throw us a bone (phnar phnar). Give us something.

You don't want us all gathering at at the steps of Castle Van Hine with flaming torches  ;)

Karen

well I did say the *ultimate* conclusion...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on November 22, 2006, 01:20:34 pm
For what its worth. I was in the Navy and age 22 at the time the LS is supposed to be taking place.  Mr. Miller could easly muster in any unit in the Navy. Louise, maybe I am asking to much but what service within the is Navy does Nick work, ie, Seabee, Seal, Ship crew, enlisted or officer? I haven't yet read the latest chapter of this is answered within.   

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 01:29:11 pm
he is enlisted.  I didn't get that deep with it (mainly because my Navy knowledge is much more limited than my Army knowledge) but I didn't want him in the same service as Dupree.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 02:28:55 pm
Your evening update!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153780.html  "Chapter 103:  A Shade of Green"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 02:47:00 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 02:28:55 pm
Your evening update!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153780.html  "Chapter 103:  A Shade of Green"

SPOILER:










Jeeves sighed. “I thought... we were friends. You haven’t answered my question. I have many years of experience and I assure you, you won’t be left unsatisfied.”

“You just take it or you dish it out too?”

Jeeves smiled, realizing his offer had just been accepted. “Whatever you wish, my boy. Or both.”



Well, I'll be damned!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 03:59:23 pm
If anyone is wondering why I am not writing a new chapter it is because I am busily consuming Belgian chocolates delivered by post from the lovely and wonderful Fabienne (belbbmfan) who sent them to me with a book and a precious greeting card with a personal thank you in it for the Laramie Saga.

Thank you, Fabienne... if I get the contract in Switzerland I might just be able to come and visit like I had hoped!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 04:10:17 pm
Errr ... don't be greedy Louise!

Share the chocies!  Pass some around .. sheesh!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 22, 2006, 04:23:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 22, 2006, 08:31:39 am
you know that can't be true, David, most of Australia is about the latitude of Florida, and that means their tourist brochures advertise "No Shrinkage at the Beach."  And Hugh is clearly in Sydney here, as you can tell by the bright subtropical sun.

Sorry to disillusion you Louise - the water temperature can be quite "fresh" here even in summer.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 04:27:18 pm
An update:  ;D



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6ed14900.jpg)


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

Ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...


I have 2 more to add:


to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.


lol..

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 04:39:32 pm
SPOILER


Well, well, Dupree is going all googly eyed over our Navy Boy. I like Nick already - he seems steady, and patient (and Dupree will really need patience).

I really feel for Jeves though - I do.  :( He has geniune feelings for Dupree. I'm not sure about the hook-up with Lance. Seems a little cold. Then again getting laid is getting laid. Bet Jeeves knows a trick or two. Hey, maybe they'll discover an electric connection and form an unlikely partnership.

I want Jeeves to find love - or at least have a damn good time  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 22, 2006, 04:49:11 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 22, 2006, 04:27:18 pm
An update:  ;D



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6ed14900.jpg)


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

Ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...


I have 2 more to add:


to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.


lol..


Milli add:

More for the Lexicon

To edna – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

Glenfiddled – State of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 04:53:03 pm
Ah .. I forgot those two Jo..

Here we go ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6ed14900.jpg)


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

Ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...

to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.

To edna – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

Glenfiddled – State of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 22, 2006, 05:03:42 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 04:39:32 pm
SPOILER


I'm not sure about the hook-up with Lance. Seems a little cold. Then again getting laid is getting laid. Bet Jeeves knows a trick or two. Hey, maybe they'll discover an electric connection and form an unlikely partnership.

I want Jeeves to find love - or at least have a damn good time  ;D

Karen

I hope he finds love with Lance. After all, Lance is not a bad guy, and he could use some tender loving care. And so does Jeeves. Solitude does no good to anyone.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 22, 2006, 05:20:28 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 04:39:32 pm
SPOILER


Well, well, Dupree is going all googly eyed over our Navy Boy. I like Nick already - he seems steady, and patient (and Dupree will really need patience).

I really feel for Jeves though - I do.  :( He has geniune feelings for Dupree. I'm not sure about the hook-up with Lance. Seems a little cold. Then again getting laid is getting laid. Bet Jeeves knows a trick or two. Hey, maybe they'll discover an electric connection and form an unlikely partnership.

I want Jeeves to find love - or at least have a damn good time  ;D

Karen

Yeah that was a great chapter.  I dont mind about Jeeves and Lance, although its funny cos Lance was getting wound up by Jeeves for calling him Lancelot, never really gave him a second glance, and then the minute sex is mentioned, he's right in there!!  Well, they both want it, and Jeeves definitely needs it, and Dupree is hopefully going to get it, so everyone's happy.   I like Nick, he seems a nice guy, taking in his surroundings, not too mouthy, just right for our Dupree.  Awww, and he had his hand on Durpee's arm for ages too.  So sweet.

Cant wait to see what they get up to behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 22, 2006, 05:22:07 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 22, 2006, 10:57:06 am
Cooooeeeeeee I am about lol, I,ve just been so damn cold today, I,ve put my heating back on again. Wow I liked that chapter. I bet poor Jeremy will be so nervous lol. Cant wait to see what happens. Have you escaped from work Louise?  Glad to hear it if you have. You,d best wrap up warm over the next few days. We(europe) are getting an icy blast from the arctic, so it says on the weather anyway. Snow in scotland, and heavy rain and gales down here. Terrific, just what we need. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Oh no, that weather forcast does NOT sound good.  Its been awful here lately though so I shouldnt be surprised. But its just that I'm going away this weekend and I will be abseiling (amongst other things) and I dont really feel like doing that with a cold sharp wind up my back!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 05:23:27 pm
Quote from: opinionista on November 22, 2006, 05:03:42 pm
I hope he finds love with Lance. After all, Lance is not a bad guy, and he could use some tender loving care. And so does Jeeves. Solitude does no good to anyone.

Lance is not a bad guy .. with all the Sergio episodes now behind him, lets see if Jeeves can make a man outta him!
It might turn out to be a one-night thing with Jeeves, might be more .. we'll see..


Either way, methinks Jeeves has got his hands full ..  8) (figuratively and literally, as we can see..)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/89777bb1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 05:23:42 pm
Something just dosen't seem right to me about this whole set-up.  Too easy...something is going to happen but I don't think it's going to be what we all think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 22, 2006, 05:29:39 pm
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 05:23:42 pm
Something just dosen't seem right to me about this whole set-up.  Too easy...something is going to happen but I don't think it's going to be what we all think.

Well, when you are desperate you are desperate, and Jeeves is pretty desperate! Isn't he? After almost having sex with a hunk like Dupree and failing terribly, he must be climbing the walls!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 05:33:19 pm
....


spoilers...!!!!  if it isn't all spoiled already!

No, nothing is as simple as it seems.  Remember - we still have "Dupree's Choice" to go.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 05:37:35 pm
SPOILER



Dupree does seem disturbed by the Jeeves/Lance hookup, and he did have a flashback to Jeeves removing his shirt.

Maybe he'll try to get it on with Nick, but with thoughts of Jeeves running through his head, and will interupt proceedings just as Lance and Jeeves are about to get it on.

However, as I've stated on other threads my speculation is always miles out.  ;D Always  :laugh:

Meanwhile at Casa del Cantrell/Del Mar they are tucked up in bed with their cocoa.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 22, 2006, 05:39:08 pm
Recent developments at the Red Stallion require the following addition to the Lexicon:

To Sampsonise : to carry out a lightning-fast pickup of a gay sexual virgin, while at the same time promising: "We'll take it slow".

Earlier events between E & E suggested:

Coyotition: An intimate sexual manouevre indulged in exclusively by horse trainers and deputy sherrifs, wherein one imitates a coyote biting and the other pretends to be a Pillsbury doughboy.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 05:42:16 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 05:37:35 pm
SPOILER



Dupree does seem disturbed by the Jeeves/Lance hookup, and he did have a flashback to Jeeves removing his shirt.

I know!  Jeremy has got some issues to resolve. 
That or he just felt a pang of jealousy that Jeeves was gonna get some lovin from Lance ..

But .. why be jealous if he is not interested?  The Dupree matter is complex.. and I love it!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 05:43:31 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 22, 2006, 05:39:08 pm

To Sampsonise : to carry out a lightning-fast pickup of a gay sexual virgin, while at the same time promising: "We'll take it slow".

Earlier events between E & E suggested:

Coyotition: An intimate sexual manouevre indulged in exclusively by horse trainers and deputy sherrifs, wherein one imitates a coyote biting and the other pretends to be a Pillsbury doughboy.


heehee ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 05:44:53 pm
Au contraire...not complex at all.  She has given you all the clues...now it is your charge to find the truth...hehehehehehe <evil laugh>
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 05:46:24 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 22, 2006, 05:39:08 pm

Coyotition: An intimate sexual manouevre indulged in exclusively by horse trainers and deputy sherrifs, wherein one imitates a coyote biting and the other pretends to be a Pillsbury doughboy.


LOL  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 05:50:39 pm
I am struggling to breathe here, you guys are making me laugh so hard.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 06:03:18 pm
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 05:44:53 pm
Au contraire...not complex at all.  She has given you all the clues...now it is your charge to find the truth...hehehehehehe <evil laugh>

I guess you think you've got it all figured out, eh Scott?    :P ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 22, 2006, 06:05:24 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 22, 2006, 06:03:18 pm
I guess you think you've got it all figured out, eh Scott?    :P ;D

Not all, by any means, but she is telling a story that I have actually seen in real life.  She may not want to admit this in an open forum, but twisted minds usually follow the same path to destruction...LOL

Love ya more than my cuisinart Louise   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 06:07:17 pm
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER




now.... Scott... gave away... the whole ... dang... PLOT!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 06:25:20 pm
Well obviously I have a twist free, innocent, angelic mind because I can't can't see where this is going.

Somebody help me...  :(

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 22, 2006, 06:35:13 pm
hehehe... oh good, all is not lost!  At least one person has a surprise ahead!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 22, 2006, 06:35:48 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 06:25:20 pm
Well obviously I have a twist free, innocent, angelic mind because I can't can't see where this is going.

Somebody help me...  :(

Karen


Karen,
While Scott is busy playing with his cuisinart and solving the mystery of Dupree .. ;D,  I opt not to speculate .. lol, let's wait and see what really happens!  I like to be surprised .. don't you?   8)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 06:41:09 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 22, 2006, 06:35:48 pm

Karen,
While Scott is busy playing with his cuisinart and solving the mystery of Dupree .. ;D,  I opt not to speculate .. lol, let's wait and see what really happens!  I like to be surprised .. don't you?   8)


I wish I could opt not to speculate, I'm just too thick to figure out what's going on.  ;D

La la la...

I'm with you Lucise - I love surprises.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 22, 2006, 09:27:39 pm
Woo-hooo!

Loved these last 2 chapters.  So ...

Nick is a Navy man - - be still my heart!

I never made it out to the West Coast, but a good friend of ours has been stationed in Seattle.  I've heard it's a nice area.


Oh, and for anyone who might be wondering, Wentworth Miller is the actor starring in the US TV series "Prison Break" on Mondays on the Fox network.  He plays a character named Michael who has tattoos covering nearly his entire body.  He must spend hours in makeup!    It's a very intense and dark show.  Just starting to see a bit of fanfic from it. 
Sorry if I rambled.    :D

 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 23, 2006, 12:54:42 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 22, 2006, 05:39:08 pm
Recent developments at the Red Stallion require the following addition to the Lexicon:

To Sampsonise : to carry out a lightning-fast pickup of a gay sexual virgin, while at the same time promising: "We'll take it slow".

Earlier events between E & E suggested:

Coyotition: An intimate sexual manouevre indulged in exclusively by horse trainers and deputy sherrifs, wherein one imitates a coyote biting and the other pretends to be a Pillsbury doughboy.



Richard you have found your calling!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 23, 2006, 02:41:37 am
Ennis coming out vs the "Ennis we love"

It is interesting to note that some fans object that Ennis working in a gay bar, enjoying the use of sex toys and talking about his sex life with other men is too far from “the Ennis we all love”. Others have stated that the change in him is implausible. But is the change in Ennis so implausible? Much has been written about coming out. One  website offering gay and lesbian resources maps this process providing what its author calls a "good basic model" for this process.

http://www.psychpage.com/learning/library/gay/comeout.html

How far does Ennis conform with this model which maps the process of coming out?

1. Self-Recognition as Gay  

More than just an awareness of attraction to members of the same sex, it involves confusion, some attempt at denial and repression of feelings, anxiety, trying to "pass," counseling, and often religious commitment to "overcome" sexuality. Eventually, acknowledgment and acceptance of one's sexual orientation develops. Gay and lesbian people may be fairly closeted at this point. However, most seek out information about being gay.

Ennis of BBM conforms to this profile. He is confused and anxious after his experiences with Jack on the mountain and tries to pass by marrying and dating Cassie. He does not pursue a religious commitment with “the fire and brimstone crowd” and I doubt counselling was available in Riverton on this issue in 1984. After Jack’s death Ennis journeys to Laramie for the very purpose of “seeking out more information” about homosexuality. After all his same sex attraction to Jack destroyed his marriage, made him miserable for 20 years and led to a devastating tragedy. It cost him Jack and made him fearful for most of his life. Why on earth would he not feel impelled to go looking for answers.“Looking for Answers” is in fact the title of the first section of the Laramie Saga which as we know carries on Ennis’ story after BBM.

2. Disclosure to Others  

Sharing one's sexual orientation with a close friend or family member is the first step in this stage. Rejection may cause a return to the Self-Recognition stage, but positive acceptance can lead to better feelings of self-esteem. Usually disclosure is a slow process.

We see at the end of BBM how Ennis acknowledges his sexuality together with his love for Jack. He comes out to Jack’s parents and to a lesser extent to Lureen. Disclosure was sure a slow process with Ennis. It took 20 years and the death of his lover to start him on the process of self recognition and coming out however tentatively to begin with.

3. Socialization with Other Gays

Socializing with other gays provides the experience that the person is not alone in the world, and there are other people like him or her.

Ennis seeks out other gay people to explore what it means to be a homosexual man – after all his whole life hitherto has revolved around this conundrum. Could Ennis overcome his fear to enter a gay bar in Laramie? After the shock of Jack’s death the worst he imagined has come to pass. Very often when life deals you a blow like this a person loses their fear thinking “what can be worse than this?” He has limited options in his search for answers. He sees an ad for the bar and follows the only lead he had found.

4. Positive Self-Identification

This stage entails feeling good about oneself, seeking out positive relationships with other gays, and feeling satisfied and fulfilled.

After meeting Ellery, a positive role model for a reasonably well adjusted out gay man and seeing that other gay men in the Red Stallion men’s bar don’t have horns growing out of their heads (with the possible exception of Wayne!) Ennis gradually adjusts to his new self-identity and finds fulfilment in it. He also draws strength and confidence from Wes and Edna, Dupree and Ellery's other colleagues.

Part of his feeling fulfilled is his sexual exploration with Ellery who has a wider range of experiences than Ennis and is keen to experiment. If this exploration involves sex toys and other light bondage so what? Fans can certainly imagine him getting up to all sorts of interesting fun and games with Jack no problem at all!

5. Integration and Acceptance

Entails an openness and non-defensiveness about one's sexual orientation. One may be quietly open, not announcing their sexual orientation, but available for support to others nonetheless. Couples live a comfortable life together and generally seek out other couples. Openness is often mitigated by age. Older men may be less open in their lives, and may see no need to change.

Again Ennis conforms to this model. Ennis and Ellery are quietly open and live a comfortable life in a circle of accepting friends. However, as an older man with the history he has had, Ennis is still much less open than most others and does not want to change to the extent that he loudly announces it to the world. Ennis is eventually able to offer some support to Dupree who he befriends and who is also struggling with sexuality. He also exchanges information with Dupree on sexual matters as part of this informal support based on a trusting friendship. On one occasion, when he has become more confident in his identity and more comfortable with the bar personnel, he asks Lauren a question pertaining to sex to see if what he is doing in within normal bounds of gay activity. Again this is in pursuit of "looking for more information".

The Ennis “we all love”

Who is this Ennis? Ennis came alive with Jack for sure and that is the Ennis we love most! But the “Ennis we love” was also a sad, conflicted, ungiving and lonely man. A solitary, perpetually fearful man. A homophobe in denial. A loving yet repressed man. A passionate, loyal man who tries to do the right thing but failed everyone around him. Is that who we want to hold on to as well?

It may not be realised by some that Ennis was already on the path of change before the end of BBM when Jack died. The Ennis who greeted Jack with that passionate kiss is not the Ennis of the mountain. Post-divorce Ennis is not the man who married Alma. The man playing with his apple pie is not the man who dated Cassie. Nor is the Ennis who pressed the shirts to his lips the one who threatened to kill Jack by the lake. Ennis himself tried to stop time and change by attempting to relive that magic time spent with Jack on BBM every time they met up. Like many people want to hold on to "Ennis with Jack", he wanted to hold on to the comfort of the familiar and to repeat it over and over. But Jack changed, times changed and then he had to change too.

The Ennis we love in the film is an evolving individual. To keep “the Ennis we love” we either have to keep hold of the “Jack we love” or keep Ennis frozen in time in that trailer or similar environment. Why would he stop developing and changing just at that point? The alternative is to explore how he might expand his horizons driven by the factors discussed above? As the model demonstrates, the pathway Ennis takes in The Laramie Saga conforms in a general sense with a well beaten path. It was a lonelier path to be sure in that time and place without all the counselling and other supports now available in urban areas. Nevertheless there is recogniseable pattern to Ennis’ actions and his evolution both as a man and as a gay man in this story.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 03:56:48 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 23, 2006, 02:41:37 am
Ennis coming out vs the "Ennis we love"


Seriously Jo, what would we do without you and your ever insightful words?
Thanks for sharing that essay here with us, you make very excellent points.

Quote
The Ennis we love in the film is an evolving individual. To keep “the Ennis we love” we either have to keep hold of the “Jack we love” or keep Ennis frozen in time in that trailer or similar environment. Why would he stop developing and changing just at that point?

And that is the million dollar question!

Thanks Jo!   ;)

~M
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 23, 2006, 04:07:25 am
SPOILER




OMG. OMG. OMG.

Just read the last two chapters.... OMG!!!

Louise, you vixen you !!!


OMG.


I allways love, love , LOVE the Red-Stallion chapters, but these latest are ...OMG !!

Poor Jeeves, though.... and you really don't have to work hard to get Lance going, do you ??
Of course, I'm not too sure Dupree approved of Jeeves' choice, so who knows...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 06:16:17 am
Oh wow... just wow.  Jo - you are a gentlewoman and a scholar.  Thank you for that in-depth analysis.  I read it with fascination.

Interestingly enough, I did not do this research prior to writing the story.  However - I did model Ennis's relationship with Ennis on a real-world model, which could explain why I did manage to follow it.  I have also had some very good insights and advisement from a number of gay men about their relationships and their coming-out, with respect to Ennis, Ellery, and Dupree in particular.  In any case, the essay you wrote is EXTREMELY validating.

It does speak volumes that the remaining loud and vocal critics are those who have distorted or misread various plot points and making cliches from them, in order to make the point that I did not write about "The Ennis we love."

Has anyone here fallen in love overnight?  *raises hand*  I did, and the man whose biography I used as a partial model in "Taking Chances" did as well, even in the midst of grieving the tragic death of his childhood sweetheart.  Those people who say that this could not be "the Ennis we love" because he fell in love overnight, and because he changed and grew, and came out - invalidates all of those (all of us) who have had these experiences, and whose love blossomed and bore fruit.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 23, 2006, 06:19:02 am
Ellooooooooooo peeps.Mornin twin. lol. ;) ;) ;D Well I feel better now than I did earlier. I had a blinder of a headache I did. :'( :'( :'(
A nice cup of hot choccy and a couple of pills has worked its wonders on it though. So, are we going to get some hot Jeremy and Nick action today then? To say nothing of Lance and Jeeves. wooweeee. As for our boys, well I suppose they,ll have to make do with lots of cuddles over the next few days, to say nothing of cold showers lol. Nothing wrong with cuddles from a gorgeous man, I have to say, especially if they are called Hugh or Heath lol. And after heavy rain and gales first thing it,s bright and sunny now, which always makes me feel better. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 06:23:22 am
Well folks... I am relieved to say that if Ritecounter statistics are any measure of popularity, Dupree and the Red Stallion crowd are running a very close second to Ennis and Ellery on their Proposal day.

Yesterday we had 286 hosts, and on Proposal Day we had 302, and yesterday we had 1610 hits, as compared with 3015 hits for Proposal Day.  Okay, E & E really took the lead with hits, but that could be because all the Leslies read chapter 98 10 times each.

At any rate:  traffic is up as we approach the finale of The Red Stallion.  And at least for a few men at the Red Stallion, the finale promises to be - orgasmic.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 06:23:34 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 06:41:09 pm
I wish I could opt not to speculate, I'm just too thick to figure out what's going on.  ;D

La la la...

I'm with you Lucise - I love surprises.

Karen

Yep ~ right with you gals too. And too thick to figure it out as well!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 23, 2006, 06:26:14 am
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 06:23:22 am
Well folks... I am relieved to say that if Ritecounter statistics are any measure of popularity, Dupree and the Red Stallion crowd are running a very close second to Ennis and Ellery on their Proposal day.

Yesterday we had 286 hosts, and on Proposal Day we had 302, and yesterday we had 1610 hits, as compared with 3015 hits for Proposal Day.  Okay, E & E really took the lead with hits, but that could be because all the Leslies read chapter 98 10 times each.

At any rate:  traffic is up as we approach the finale of The Red Stallion.  And at least for a few men at the Red Stallion, the finale promises to be - orgasmic.

Orgasmic???? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Wooooweee we like the sound of that VERY much lol. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 23, 2006, 06:39:00 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 06:23:34 am
Yep ~ right with you gals too. And too thick to figure it out as well!  ::)

Me too, me too.

But I'm keeping my fingures crossed for the outcome.

And its damn hard to type with crossed fingers, let me tell you... ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 23, 2006, 07:01:13 am
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 06:16:17 am
...
Has anyone here fallen in love overnight?  *raises hand*  I did, and the man whose biography I used as a partial model in "Taking Chances" did as well, even in the midst of grieving the tragic death of his childhood sweetheart.  Those people who say that this could not be "the Ennis we love" because he fell in love overnight, and because he changed and grew, and came out - invalidates all of those (all of us) who have had these experiences, and whose love blossomed and bore fruit...

If I may offer my 2 cents -

I never thought that Ennis fell in love with Ellery over-night.
There was a strong mutual attraction, which led to them getting to know each-other pretty well (remember Ellery asking Ennis about the "little book" on their first night), which led to a deepening intimacy, which in turn blossomed into love.

That sounds extremely normal, to me.

Can't for the life of me understand what is "implausible" about that...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 23, 2006, 07:30:04 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 23, 2006, 02:41:37 am
Ennis coming out vs the "Ennis we love"

Who is this Ennis? Ennis came alive with Jack for sure and that is the Ennis we love most! But the “Ennis we love” was also a sad, conflicted, ungiving and lonely man. A solitary, perpetually fearful man. A homophobe in denial. A loving yet repressed man. A passionate, loyal man who tries to do the right thing but failed everyone around him. Is that who we want to hold on to as well?

It may not be realised by some that Ennis was already on the path of change before the end of BBM when Jack died. The Ennis who greeted Jack with that passionate kiss is not the Ennis of the mountain. Post-divorce Ennis is not the man who married Alma. The man playing with his apple pie is not the man who dated Cassie. Nor is the Ennis who pressed the shirts to his lips the one who threatened to kill Jack by the lake. Ennis himself tried to stop time and change by attempting to relive that magic time spent with Jack on BBM every time they met up. Like many people want to hold on to "Ennis with Jack", he wanted to hold on to the comfort of the familiar and to repeat it over and over. But Jack changed, times changed and then he had to change too.

The Ennis we love in the film is an evolving individual. To keep “the Ennis we love” we either have to keep hold of the “Jack we love” or keep Ennis frozen in time in that trailer or similar environment. Why would he stop developing and changing just at that point? The alternative is to explore how he might expand his horizons driven by the factors discussed above? As the model demonstrates, the pathway Ennis takes in The Laramie Saga conforms in a general sense with a well beaten path. It was a lonelier path to be sure in that time and place without all the counselling and other supports now available in urban areas. Nevertheless there is recogniseable pattern to Ennis’ actions and his evolution both as a man and as a gay man in this story.



Quote from: Lucise on November 23, 2006, 03:56:48 am
Seriously Jo, what would we do without you and your ever insightful words?
Thanks for sharing that essay here with us, you make very excellent points.

Thanks Jo!   ;)

~M

what would we do indeed. Thank you Jo!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 07:32:05 am
Did you get my very PUBLIC thank-you, Fabienne?  I got your lovely package and thank you card, and I was warmed to the heart by it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 07:39:28 am
Quote from: souxi on November 23, 2006, 06:26:14 am
Orgasmic???? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Wooooweee we like the sound of that VERY much lol. ;) ;D

Yep we do!  ;D dear twin of mine!  :-* Happy to hear you're feeling better!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 07:41:44 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 23, 2006, 07:30:04 am
what would we do indeed. Thank you Jo!  :)

I'd like to second this  :)

Thank you from me too, Jo  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 23, 2006, 07:47:18 am
i did louise, and it warmed my heart too  :)

hope to chat later today, but i've got lots RL on today. maybe tomorrow.

and a job in swizerland? maybe you're staying in europe after all? (after i sent you a thank you and farewell present? ;)) Now that sounds really nice!

talk to you later!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 07:50:59 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 22, 2006, 05:23:27 pm
Lance is not a bad guy .. with all the Sergio episodes now behind him, lets see if Jeeves can make a man outta him!
It might turn out to be a one-night thing with Jeeves, might be more .. we'll see..


Either way, methinks Jeeves has got his hands full ..  8) (figuratively and literally, as we can see..)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/89777bb1-1.jpg)

WOW!!  Hot pic  ;D

I so wonder how this will play out! I couldn't believe it when i read it! lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 07:53:24 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 22, 2006, 04:53:03 pm
Ah .. I forgot those two Jo..

Here we go ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6ed14900.jpg)


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

Ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...

to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.

To edna – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

Glenfiddled – State of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness



I just love this ~ not sure about "To June" though.... ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 07:56:34 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 22, 2006, 05:42:16 pm
I know!  Jeremy has got some issues to resolve. 
That or he just felt a pang of jealousy that Jeeves was gonna get some lovin from Lance ..

But .. why be jealous if he is not interested?  The Dupree matter is complex.. and I love it!   ;)


I *so* agree, Milli ~ I'm loving it too, it fascinates me  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 23, 2006, 08:15:02 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 23, 2006, 07:01:13 am
If I may offer my 2 cents -

I never thought that Ennis fell in love with Ellery over-night.
There was a strong mutual attraction, which led to them getting to know each-other pretty well (remember Ellery asking Ennis about the "little book" on their first night), which led to a deepening intimacy, which in turn blossomed into love.

That sounds extremely normal, to me.

Can't for the life of me understand what is "implausible" about that...

Neither did I. I think they really begin to feel deeply in love well into the Saga, perhaps after Worrell tries to kill both Ennis and Ellery in Looking for Answers. I agree that they cared for each other probably right after they have sex the first time, but IMO love begins to blossom when Worrell comes into the picture because it makes them face the possibility of losing each other to death. When Ennis finds out Ellery was using himself as a bait to catch Worrell, it hits him. He realizes what it really means, and I think that is when he actually begins to recognize his feelings for Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 08:46:57 am


I got an excited call from London, and they are setting up an interview for me for the Zurich job. 


pray for me, Fabienne, I might not be leaving Europe at all!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 23, 2006, 08:47:27 am
I don't think Dupree is jealous that Lance and Jeeves are hooking up.    He is upset that this is happening as retribution for his finally meeting a guy he likes.

He likes Jeeves, just not in a sexual way.   And he is probably angry that Lance is taking advantage of the situation.

Plus this drama is interupting his infatuation with Nick the Sailor.  

And trust me,  I have been looking around for some hot Sailor pics to post!    LOL !

Maybe Sheriff Roland has some?   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 23, 2006, 08:49:19 am
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 08:46:57 am

I got an excited call from London, and they are setting up an interview for me for the Zurich job. 


pray for me, Fabienne, I might not be leaving Europe at all!

Louise, good luck with this interview.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 09:06:59 am
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 08:46:57 am

I got an excited call from London, and they are setting up an interview for me for the Zurich job. 


pray for me, Fabienne, I might not be leaving Europe at all!

I'll be thinking of you too, Louise  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 23, 2006, 09:07:18 am
Best of Luck , Louise  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 09:34:08 am
*many excited noises* the interview is in half an hour.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 23, 2006, 09:39:35 am
While we are waiting (impatiently) for Roland and David to come up with some sailor pictures...

The old fashioned sailor pants (I think the uniform has changed) had 13 buttons and I vaguely remember there were alot of 13 button jokes out there in the world. I did google search and couldn't find any jokes but I did find a funny thing on "How to Simulate Being a Sailor." I won't post it all but you can read it here:

http://www.ussorleck.org/Jokes/SimulateSailor.html

This one made me laugh:

34. Every couple of weeks, dress up in your best clothes and go to the scummiest part of town. Find the most run down, trashiest bar, and drink beer until you are hammered. Then walk all the way home.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 23, 2006, 09:44:12 am
Don't tell me I'm ahead of David and Roland!

(http://cache.gridskipper.com/travel/hello%20sailor.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 09:52:34 am
oh my lord...

What is that boy's hand doing way down there?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 23, 2006, 09:53:08 am
Good luck for your interview Louise.xx
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on November 23, 2006, 10:17:28 am

Wow! What a lot of good conversation is going on today on our thread. :)

For our dear Louise and her next contract work, I offer an affirmation: What is meant to be will be.

Concerning "the Ennis we all love" versus the Ennis of the Laramie Saga, I offer another thought, from the point of view of spiritual direction: The healthiest thing I have ever heard homosexual men and women say is, "I have come to accept myself the way I have been made." I think I hear an "Amen!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 23, 2006, 10:23:28 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 23, 2006, 09:44:12 am
Don't tell me I'm ahead of David and Roland!

(http://cache.gridskipper.com/travel/hello%20sailor.jpg)


YUMM!      Lucky Dupree!      ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 23, 2006, 10:57:55 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 23, 2006, 08:47:27 am
I don't think Dupree is jealous that Lance and Jeeves are hooking up.    He is upset that this is happening as retribution for his finally meeting a guy he likes.

He likes Jeeves, just not in a sexual way.   And he is probably angry that Lance is taking advantage of the situation.

Plus this drama is interupting his infatuation with Nick the Sailor.  


I totally agree with you David.  Dupree is confused in lots of ways, but I am sure he is just upset at possibly hurt Jeeves, but he's not jealous.  Why would he be?  He had lots of opportunities for something to happen with him, and he only took one when he was blind drunk.   
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 10:58:21 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 23, 2006, 09:44:12 am
Don't tell me I'm ahead of David and Roland!

(http://cache.gridskipper.com/travel/hello%20sailor.jpg)




*GASPS*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 23, 2006, 10:58:43 am
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 09:52:34 am
oh my lord...

What is that boy's hand doing way down there?

Scratching an itch.   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 23, 2006, 10:59:28 am
Best of luck for your interview Louise.   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 23, 2006, 11:00:47 am
I'm going away for a long weekend tomorrow so will be missing lots of wonderful chapters, but it will be really nice to catch up with them all when I get back.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 23, 2006, 11:11:38 am
Quote from: christie wood on November 23, 2006, 11:00:47 am
I'm going away for a long weekend tomorrow so will be missing lots of wonderful chapters, but it will be really nice to catch up with them all when I get back.   :)

Going away?  Oh No!   by the time you get back Jeremy and Nick will have consumated their new friendship (several times) and sitting back having a cigarrette!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 23, 2006, 11:22:06 am
Just popping in to say HAPPY THANKSGIVING everybody!

It's morning here in sunny (but chilly) Florida and I have a turkey to put in the oven and stuffing and green bean cassarole to make.  My folks made it safely from NY and are coming over later.

But, if I get a chance I do want to post more later.  The essays and discussions have been wonderful reading and I hope to share my thoughts.

For all who are celebrating:  Have a great 'Turkey Day'!   ;D :D :-*

P.S.  Tomorrow my hubby is getting me up at 0500 (in the morning!!!) to hit the stores for Black Friday.   Eeeeek!   :o   :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 23, 2006, 11:22:32 am
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 08:46:57 am

I got an excited call from London, and they are setting up an interview for me for the Zurich job. 


pray for me, Fabienne, I might not be leaving Europe at all!


*lits a candle, crosses fingers*


good luck louise!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 23, 2006, 11:42:20 am
I've been in bed fighting some sort of bug, so your interview has probably come and gone Louise, but sending positive vibes your way anyway.

*cough sniff*

I wonder what could poosibly make me feel better??  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 23, 2006, 11:43:09 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 23, 2006, 07:30:04 am
what would we do indeed. Thank you Jo!  :)
                             well said, and so true.  you have summed up the process by which ennis or any individual who lives a life in turmoil and discontent makes...you are affected by the people and the events in your life..  no way to avoid that happening.  the no man is an island is so apprapro in this situation..  the ennis in the movie, vs the ennis in laramie saga has lived an accelerated existance in the past few months compared to the one he had lived before.  primarily because of his every day choice to live with ellery.  ellery is a kind and loving teacher.  he has taught ennis a lot of things about a person who lived in town, vs a solitary life in the back of beyond, and on those lonesome old ranches.  Ennis has had the teaching of a man that is gay and wears it proudly not afraid to admit his true feelings.  and he has also taught him a bit about a higher educated existance, by benefit of a man that had a college education..  this has been a growing experience that i believe he would have gotten by choice or by association.  therefor he not to be the same person he was before.  he was not a man unable to learn, simple untaught.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 23, 2006, 11:54:06 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 23, 2006, 11:42:20 am
I've been in bed fighting some sort of bug, so your interview has probably come and gone Louise, but sending positive vibes your way anyway.

*cough sniff*

I wonder what could poosibly make me feel better??  ;)

Karen


Awwww Karen, hope you feel better soon hun.xxxx :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 12:59:25 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 23, 2006, 09:44:12 am
Don't tell me I'm ahead of David and Roland!

(http://cache.gridskipper.com/travel/hello%20sailor.jpg)

The sailor is Hawt, Jo!

But you do realise that we have to put W. Miller's head on that body, right?
Just so we are on the same page ...  ;D
(I'll post the "finished product" when I get home tonight!  8) )
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 23, 2006, 02:18:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 06:16:17 am
It does speak volumes that the remaining loud and vocal critics are those who have distorted or misread various plot points and making cliches from them, in order to make the point that I did not write about "The Ennis we love."

Hello Louise.
First may I wish you luck on your interview.

As you know I am very interested in the ideas and motivations behind your story The Laramie Saga.  Iwonder if I could ask you about this comment:

Quote
the man whose biography I used as a partial model in "Taking Chances" did as well, even in the midst of grieving the tragic death of his childhood sweetheart.  Those people who say that this could not be "the Ennis we love" because he fell in love overnight, and because he changed and grew, and came out - invalidates all of those (all of us) who have had these experiences,

I was wondering why you chose to use an existing real-world person (who presumably has a slightly different life to the character Ennis) to base your Ennis upon?  I have found him to be a rich character, well fleshed out and full of many hinted at aspects and potentials.  As such it interests me why you chose another person to model your character and his experiences upon. 

If the criticism being levelled is that it is not  Annie Proulx's "Ennis" being presented in the Laramie Saga, doesn't the fact that you based the character upon the life of someone else (as opposed to the work of AP) lend validation to this criticism?

Thank you for your time and consideration in addressing this interesting question.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 23, 2006, 02:39:04 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 23, 2006, 12:59:25 pm
The sailor is Hawt, Jo!

But you do realise that we have to put W. Miller's head on that body, right?
Just so we are on the same page ...  ;D
(I'll post the "finished product" when I get home tonight!  8) )





when will that be Lucise? so we can set our clocks  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 03:01:12 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 23, 2006, 02:39:04 pm
when will that be Lucise? so we can set our clocks  ;D

lol Fabienne! 
I'm sure you won't miss it!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 03:32:09 pm
A Brief Interlude to salute:

Beefy!Ennis and his pregnant mare ..   8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/87b4bc50.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 23, 2006, 03:36:02 pm
Right I,m off for the nite folks. My headache is coming back, and my daughter has been poorly all day so  need to take care of her too.  :'( :'(Nite all, nite June. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 03:43:21 pm
Laters Souxi !   ;) 


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 03:51:24 pm
yes,  I'm typing, I'm typing.

They respec'd the whole goddamned module today and spent a whole lot of time watching a woman whose head bobs about 50 times a minute explain in heavily accented English how we are going to rework the user record function to load 600,000 records and maintain a history of 21 days and... then as soon as she was gone the project leader said - just write what we have.

And I had the first of two interviews!  squeee!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 04:01:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 03:51:24 pm
yes,  I'm typing, I'm typing.


excellent .. excellent ..

I'm dying to know what Jeeves and Lance got up to last night ..  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 04:11:11 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 23, 2006, 03:36:02 pm
Right I,m off for the nite folks. My headache is coming back, and my daughter has been poorly all day so  need to take care of her too.  :'( :'(Nite all, nite June. :-* :-* :-*

Awww Souxi  :(  :(  Hope both of you feel better soon

Nite darlin  :-*  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 04:16:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 03:51:24 pm


They respec'd the whole goddamned module today and spent a whole lot of time watching a woman whose head bobs about 50 times a minute explain in heavily accented English how we are going to rework the user record function to load 600,000 records and maintain a history of 21 days and... then as soon as she was gone the project leader said - just write what we have.


Huh?? LOL

 :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 04:19:15 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153903.html  "Chapter 103: A Game of More"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 04:20:44 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 04:19:15 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153903.html  "Chapter 103: A Game of More"


*Juuuuuuuuuuuuune*

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 23, 2006, 04:48:43 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 04:19:15 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/153903.html  "Chapter 103: A Game of More"


Great chapter, Louise

more,  More,  MORE, please!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 23, 2006, 04:53:22 pm
SPOILERS





Oh sweet Jeremy, I love him.  I could just imagine how nervous he was, and yet wanting to give Nick some encouraging signs that he was really interested as well.  The More game was really effective too!!!  lol  You go Jeremy, just keep saying more and you'll be ok!

That was just such a delicous chapter, full of nervous apprehension (and that was just me!), and sexual anticipation.  How cool is Nick, not rushing, not pushing, just letting it all go as slow as Jeremy needs it to go. 

Those two revelations were interseting though - firstly that Jeremy carried a crush for Ellery (but who wouldnt?) and that Nick's dad was Ennis and Ellery's doctor.  Totally passed me by the fact his name was Sampson and he was talking about his dad's practice - duh!   ???

Please DO NOT leave us hanging too long, Louise, dont think I could last untiil after I come back from my weekend away to see how the rest of the night goes. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 05:13:42 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 23, 2006, 04:48:43 pm
Great chapter, Louise

more,  More,  MORE, please!

Yeah, in the words of The Dupree himself ..

M-More ..  :D ..



Edit to add:
Now that I have settled down alittle after reading that chapter ..
I think I'll wait half an hour and go read it again ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 05:33:06 pm
so you guys... want some more huh?  tonight, huh?

okay, well just because it's Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 23, 2006, 05:53:57 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 05:33:06 pm
so you guys... want some more huh?  tonight, huh?

okay, well just because it's Thanksgiving.
Louise, you have to give us more. What you've done here is the literary equivalent of coitus interruptus, and you must know that that is extremely hazardous to the health
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 05:59:15 pm
Oh..

One wee correction Louise, the chap "A Game of more" should be 104, not 103 ..

I know..I am keeping track ..  8)  Even with all the Dupree excitement an' all ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 23, 2006, 06:04:34 pm
I've just found an excellent excuse to use an extremely obscure word in an entirely appropriate setting:

Are we all here aware that we will soon be able to have a quingentenary celebration? We are at 495 pages now and, at the current rate of progress, should soon reach 500. What should be done to mark the occasion?

Edna's chocolate cake? A bottle of Glenfiddle? A batch of Doughboys?

Any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 06:06:11 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 05:33:06 pm
so you guys... want some more huh?  tonight, huh?

okay, well just because it's Thanksgiving.

 :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 23, 2006, 06:35:40 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/154354.html   "Chapter 104:  A Little More More"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 06:48:54 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 23, 2006, 06:04:34 pm

Edna's chocolate cake? A bottle of Glenfiddle? A batch of Doughboys?

Any other suggestions?

Glenfiddle definitely sounds like a plan to me Richard!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 07:18:08 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 06:35:40 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/154354.html   "Chapter 104:  A Little More More"

Like I said to Louise ..
It is official, I can't keep it to myself any longer, I must tell the world ...





.. I am a Dupree Groupie!


*deep breaths* 
I feel so much better now that it's off my chest!!  :D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on November 23, 2006, 07:36:31 pm
I was intrigued to read magicmountain’s mini-essay: “Ennis coming out vs the Ennis we love”.  It raised many issues that I have considered in writing my own piece of fanfiction (Ennis on the Couch) and which I have not thought much more about in recent weeks.  I’m therefore grateful to magicmountain for bringing this matter rather nicely back into my consciousness.  I have used quotations from Annie Proulx’s Brokeback Mountain and made reference to The Laramie Saga by Louise van Hine to illustrate my arguments.

When I first started writing about Ennis, I spent a lot of time thinking about him from a cognitive-behavioural therapy and attachment theory perspective.  As time went on, I began to look more closely at issues of homophobia, heterosexism and internalised homophobia.  I initially looked at the three models presented on the process of coming out which were outlined in a popular textbook for therapists of lesbian, gay and bisexual clients and found one which I felt was the most applicable to Ennis’ presentation.  While I appreciate that it is a different model to the one magicmountain presented, I feel it adds another layer of understanding to the enigma that is Ennis del Mar.

The Cass (1979) model is an interactionist model where the interplay between individual and society leads to a development of sexual identity.  This is a six stage model: identity confusion; identity comparison; identity tolerance; identity acceptance; identity pride; identity synthesis.  A good summary of this model can be found at: http://lgbt.unc.edu/allies/articles/stages.html (http://lgbt.unc.edu/allies/articles/stages.html).  It appears to be the most widely used model and the stages are not seen as mutually exclusive. 

With regard to Brokeback Mountain, I would argue that Ennis only completes the first two ‘stages’ of this model, and will probably have fully completed the developmental tasks relating to ‘identity comparison’.  He may have some inclination that he is ‘not completely straight’ but my belief is that he would tell himself that he is only in love with Jack Twist which is most keenly expressed when he visits Jack’s parents after his death (“I feel awful bad about Jack.  Can’t begin to say how bad I feel.”).  His feelings for Jack do not, for Ennis, shape his identity as a gay man – his love for Jack is something of an anomaly. 

With regard to the Laramie Saga, I think Ennis has probably mastered the second stage and is working on the issues of identity tolerance and identity acceptance.  He begins to make connections within the gay community and begins to disclose his sexual orientation.  He presents as being more comfortable being seen in the company of other gay men and has less contact with the heterosexual community.  However, he does not develop to the point where he engages in ‘identity pride’, which seems to be the point which Ellery has reached.  Ellery prides himself on being an advocate and protector for gay men in Laramie however he does tend to polarise between homosexual men and heterosexual men.  He has difficulties in accepting bisexual men, potentially because they challenge his “us and them” mentality.  Neither Ennis nor Ellery appeared to have transitioned to the final stage of ‘identity synthesis’ where sexual orientation is seen as only one aspect of a holistic self-concept.  This is entirely understandable when both characters are viewed in the socio-political context in which they live and where external homophobia perpetuates their need to defend their sexual identity.

There were a few factors mentioned as catalysts in magicmountain’s analysis which really got me thinking. 

The first was the suggestion that Ennis is beginning to disclose his homosexuality to Jack’s parents and Lureen – that’s not how I interpret those scenes.  At no point does he say that he loved Jack or that he is gay.  You could argue that he was ‘hinting’ that he was Jack’s lover but that is not really coming out, not properly.  It’s what people do when they are too afraid to be up front about it and ergo probably not fully accepting of it themselves.

Secondly, yes he does go to a gay bar in Wyoming – he ticks the box for ‘community socialisation’.  What leads him to do this is rather more of a mystery to me.  You mentioned that Jack’s death may have been a catalyst to Ennis’ development as the experience of the “most feared” in some way ameliorates fear.  That makes intuitive sense and in some therapies you would encourage people to place themselves in anxiety-provoking (but not dangerous) situations in order to “disconfirm” their ‘thinking errors’ about the outcome of the situation.  However, when it comes to actual traumatic experiences such as losing a loved one to murder (the circumstances are ambiguous but as it is Ennis’ belief that he was murdered, that is what will drive his reaction to the situation) the opposite tends to occur.  Therefore such an event would serve to reinforce Ennis’ belief that being gay is wrong and that people who are gay deserve to be punished.  This would then set up a chain of thoughts and behaviours which would be self-defeating in nature.  The classic ‘learned helplessness’ model of depression (Seligman, 1975).

Thirdly, it is proposed that “as the model demonstrates, the pathway Ennis takes in The Laramie Saga conforms in a general sense with a well beaten path”.  I think it is important to remember here that coming out is not a single event but an ongoing process.  That individuals may transition back and forth between stages or work on more than one stage at the same time.  There are times where potentially Ennis has ‘slipped back’ for example, his relationship with Cassie being a return to the ‘denial’ phase of coming out following a time where he was in the ‘identity confusion’ phase as outlined in Woodman and Leena (1980).  These models are not designed to be linear, a clear path from A to B.  I would also argue that Ennis continues to struggle with his sexuality and this is largely due to his social environment.  There may have been clear triggers to his ‘evolution’ but I see no sign of them in either Brokeback Mountain or the Laramie Saga.  And without a trigger to change, there is no evolution – “Nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved”.  That is why, painful as it is, Canon!Ennis remains a “sad, conflicted, ungiving and lonely man”.  It is especially painful as these cycles continue to perpetuate.  For me, that is the real tragedy.  Perhaps we can’t do anything to save Ennis but we can support and understand those who have fallen by the roadside following in his footsteps.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 23, 2006, 07:38:51 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 23, 2006, 07:18:08 pm
.. I am a Dupree Groupie!

Reading the latest chapters I don't think Dupree would be interested  ;D

I see in the flood of updates my question to Louise has been ignored, and I wasn't able to get her to answer in the chatroom (she must have been AFK).  So, if anyone cares to try and respond to this:

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If the criticism being levelled is that it is not  Annie Proulx's "Ennis" being presented in the Laramie Saga, doesn't the fact that you based the character upon the life of someone else (as opposed to the work of AP) lend validation to this criticism?

It would be very interesting for me.
And if Louise takes a tippity type type break maybe she'll respond directly?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 07:50:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 06:35:40 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/154354.html   "Chapter 104:  A Little More More"

Just because I am his groupie too ..   8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Clint_Eastwood/2eb1a899.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 23, 2006, 07:58:54 pm
Great chapters, Louise, you captured Dupree's tentativeness perfectly.  But I'm glad we have a glimpse of what Ennis and Ellery are up to, too.  Can't wait for the next updates.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 23, 2006, 08:09:07 pm
Wow, that's really interesting Merrobot. 
You've clearly researched this a great deal.

Quote from: merrobot on November 23, 2006, 07:36:31 pm
As time went on, I began to look more closely at issues of homophobia, heterosexism and internalised homophobia.

Do you believe then that it is the societal homophobia, internalised within Ennis that is a maintaining factor of his isolation?  Is his identity as a gay man inseperably wrapped up with the social perception of gay men in 1980s Wyoming?


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I initially looked at the three models presented on the process of coming out which were outlined in a popular textbook for therapists of lesbian, gay and bisexual clients and found one which I felt was the most applicable to Ennis’ presentation.  While I appreciate that it is a different model to the one magicmountain presented, I feel it adds another layer of understanding to the enigma that is Ennis del Mar.

It certainly makes more sense to me, since there is greater flexability in the model you suggest.  I have several gay friends, and did work with a gay mens sexual health charity group, and their "coming out" stages in their lives are a wide variety of tales.  It is not, in my experience the "well beaten path" magicmountain was talking about.  Life is complex, but this is a particularly difficult issue, which has many strands affecting it.  Would you agree that any model for the experience of coming out would need to take into account many diverse elements?

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The Cass (1979) model is an interactionist model where the interplay between individual and society leads to a development of sexual identity.  This is a six stage model: identity confusion; identity comparison; identity tolerance; identity acceptance; identity pride; identity synthesis.

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He may have some inclination that he is ‘not completely straight’ but my belief is that he would tell himself that he is only in love with Jack Twist which is most keenly expressed when he visits Jack’s parents after his death (“I feel awful bad about Jack.  Can’t begin to say how bad I feel.”).  His feelings for Jack do not, for Ennis, shape his identity as a gay man – his love for Jack is something of an anomaly. 

Perhaps Ennis would not define himself as gay.  He never does in Brokeback Mountain. 
Sexuality and sexual preference is a fluid concept and it does not divide equally among straight and gay. 
I like your idea that he is "not completely straight".

In this way then surely integrating himself with a homosexual community (especially an isolated one suchas the population of the Red Stallion) would be just as poor a fit as trying to integrate with a strictly heterosexual one.  In essence Ennis is gay for Jack, which does not automatically transform him into a gay man in all other respects.

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With regard to the Laramie Saga, I think Ennis has probably mastered the second stage and is working on the issues of identity tolerance and identity acceptance.  He begins to make connections within the gay community and begins to disclose his sexual orientation.  He presents as being more comfortable being seen in the company of other gay men and has less contact with the heterosexual community.

Although as you say later, he does not develop identity pride.  Louise reasoned that his brutal attack on a youth after being called a 'faggot' was his repressed feelings of being oppressed by the anti-gay feelings of the society.  This to me is ecidence of your model.  Ennis is not progressing down a well beaten track, after the initial leap of faith into Ellery's arms, he is stepping forward and back.  He regresses to the stage where he is not accepting of his sexual orientation, and over-reacts in a way which (as Louise explianed) is a result of his discomfort with his sexuality. 

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However, he does not develop to the point where he engages in ‘identity pride’, which seems to be the point which Ellery has reached.  Ellery prides himself on being an advocate and protector for gay men in Laramie however he does tend to polarise between homosexual men and heterosexual men.  He has difficulties in accepting bisexual men, potentially because they challenge his “us and them” mentality. 

Yes, Ellery as a role model for gay men, I don't buy that part.  He certainly could not provide an effective role model for Ennis, because he has not travelled the same 'path' in any sense.  LS mentions that he is involved in a sexual relationship at college and is exploited.  The is very different from the 20 years of sacrifice and living for one another that Ennis experiences in coming to terms with himself as 'gay' or more accurately, not entierly straight.

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Neither Ennis nor Ellery appeared to have transitioned to the final stage of ‘identity synthesis’ where sexual orientation is seen as only one aspect of a holistic self-concept.  This is entirely understandable when both characters are viewed in the socio-political context in which they live and where external homophobia perpetuates their need to defend their sexual identity.

I'm not sure I follow, can you explain this bit in some more detail please?

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The first was the suggestion that Ennis is beginning to disclose his homosexuality to Jack’s parents and Lureen – that’s not how I interpret those scenes.

Nor me.  magicmountain, can you point to where you feel Ennis is coming out?  That was entierly out of left-field for me when I read that, and I'd like to see where you're coming from on this.

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However, when it comes to actual traumatic experiences such as losing a loved one to murder (the circumstances are ambiguous but as it is Ennis’ belief that he was murdered, that is what will drive his reaction to the situation) the opposite tends to occur.  Therefore such an event would serve to reinforce Ennis’ belief that being gay is wrong and that people who are gay deserve to be punished.  This would then set up a chain of thoughts and behaviours which would be self-defeating in nature.  The classic ‘learned helplessness’ model of depression (Seligman, 1975).

Ennis was taught learned helplessness from an early age by being shown the body of Earl as a lesson.  'Do not disobey society's rules' was drummed into him so that although he would sacrifice his life for secret slices of time with Jack he would never contemplate moving in with him.  His fear is a driving factor of the tragic narrative, which is cast aside to allow LS to emerge as an AU! Continuation.  In many ways I see the Journal of Jack serving as the same break-point that the divorce does for other fics, and provoking him to make a dramatic lifestyle change that we do not see in BBM.

But can learned helplessness be un-learned?  Is there any literature on this?



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There are times where potentially Ennis has ‘slipped back’ for example, his relationship with Cassie being a return to the ‘denial’ phase of coming out following a time where he was in the ‘identity confusion’ phase as outlined in Woodman and Leena (1980).  These models are not designed to be linear, a clear path from A to B.

Again, I can absolutely see this.  Coming out is not, for many people, a direct line through the six stages. 

Well, plenty of food for thought, I look forward to your replies!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 08:10:03 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 23, 2006, 07:18:08 pm
Like I said to Louise ..
It is official, I can't keep it to myself any longer, I must tell the world ...





.. I am a Dupree Groupie!


*deep breaths* 
I feel so much better now that it's off my chest!!  :D ;D


*raises hand*  Me too!! Me too!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 08:16:22 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 23, 2006, 08:10:03 pm
*raises hand*  Me too!! Me too!!  ;D

Stand up and be proud sister!  ;D

Ok.. I better git! 
Laters, folks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 23, 2006, 08:58:46 pm
Milli - think I gotcha your Nick body. Started a sailor's thread in Anything Goes - and the 3rd post is the first of a likely dozen useable pics a the well built sailor. But a course, I'll be postin' just one per day a THAT sailor ... here's a sample

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/roboy-0/sailors/sailors014dean_spencer_06.jpg)

Think ya can do sumthin' with this specimen?

Sheriff Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 23, 2006, 09:06:35 pm
Roland!   

    That guy is PERFECT for our character Nick!     Good job!     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 23, 2006, 09:48:10 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 23, 2006, 08:58:46 pm

Think ya can do sumthin' with this specimen?

Sheriff Roland

Mmmmm - yummy!  *thud*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 23, 2006, 10:23:35 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 23, 2006, 08:58:46 pm
Milli - think I gotcha your Nick body. Started a sailor's thread in Anything Goes - and the 3rd post is the first of a likely dozen useable pics a the well built sailor. But a course, I'll be postin' just one per day a THAT sailor ... here's a sample


Think ya can do sumthin' with this specimen?

Sheriff Roland

Bon travail Monsieur le Shérif!!
Good sample!    8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 23, 2006, 10:42:29 pm
Maybe Louise & Milli will reconsider who should represent Jeremy's love interest. There aren't 5 pics a that Miller boy - though I should imagine more will be forthcomin - whereas my boy's offerin a dozen pics - and maybe that'll be all!

Still we can enjoy those 12 pics (and another 12 unpostables)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 23, 2006, 11:11:15 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 23, 2006, 08:58:46 pm
Milli - think I gotcha your Nick body. Started a sailor's thread in Anything Goes - and the 3rd post is the first of a likely dozen useable pics a the well built sailor. But a course, I'll be postin' just one per day a THAT sailor ... here's a sample

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/roboy-0/sailors/sailors014dean_spencer_06.jpg)

Think ya can do sumthin' with this specimen?

Sheriff Roland
                  holy god roland, that guy will burn the computers all over the world up...  do you have more pics of him?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 23, 2006, 11:18:17 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on November 23, 2006, 11:11:15 pm
                  holy god roland, that guy will burn the computers all over the world up...  do you have more pics of him?

First Janice - don't call me holy god roland - Sheriff Roland will do just fine.

And yes - got me a dozen more G rated pics (that I'll be postin, one a day, on the sailor's thread, in Anything Goes) - there's one out there now (reply #2)

and another 12 or so pics that have either gotta be touched up - or enjoyed privately. I'm just sorry they're all solo pics - no affectionate pardner
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 12:08:55 am
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 23, 2006, 10:42:29 pm
Maybe Louise & Milli will reconsider who should represent Jeremy's love interest. There aren't 5 pics a that Miller boy - though I should imagine more will be forthcomin - whereas my boy's offerin a dozen pics - and maybe that'll be all!

Well, I don't think it is necessary to reconsider, especially if we can get the best of both worlds!   8)
This way, we get W.Miller and the strappin sailor!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/22163a4f.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 12:11:43 am
And then .. there is the other pic Jo posted earlier ..
The "updated" version ..  :P
Methinks me like ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/c4879b2d-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 02:42:58 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 12:11:43 am
And then .. there is the other pic Jo posted earlier ..
The "updated" version ..  :P
Methinks me like ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/c4879b2d-1.jpg)

*bows her head in admiration*

a round of applause for the magnificent lucise, ladies and gentlemen!!

 ;D   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 04:11:58 am
Additions to Ennis del Mar’s Little Book of (Hard Earned) Wit and Wisdom
 
I was "dying" out of my old life. That's why I was so miserable and full of grief.

I'm not sure we transform grief. Grief, surely, transforms us.

Transition is nothing less than the death and rebirth of a person’s world.  Personal worlds cannot change without disintegrating first.

Hope and fear are inseparable. There is no hope without fear, nor any fear without hope.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 04:28:25 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 02:42:58 am
*bows her head in admiration*

a round of applause for the magnificent lucise, ladies and gentlemen!!

 ;D   ;)

holy moly, those Wentworths are amazing.

And Sheriff Roland:  You are welcome to cast Nick as anyone you like - casting is purely an individual choice.  And if you provide enough photographic evidence of the sailor in question then I am sure Milli can be persuaded to put HIM in the gallery as well!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 04:53:38 am
Mornin all, mornin June. :-* :-*
Wow Louise, what HOT chapters I woke up to today. :o :o Lovely way to start my day lol. How did your interview go Louise? Fingers crossed for you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 05:25:54 am
Well i have to say that the last two certainly took my mind off my symptoms for a while. Gosh!

Have to say though I wondered for a moment why on earth Dupree and Nick had a Clint Eastwood movie on in the background  :laugh:

Tsk, tsk, letting Ennis watch Clint, getting himself all het up when he should be keeping his thoughts pure  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 05:33:01 am
His thoughts were pure:  purely on chocolate cake and watching Clint Eastwood in "Hang em High"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 05:36:10 am
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 23, 2006, 08:58:46 pm
Milli - think I gotcha your Nick body. Started a sailor's thread in Anything Goes - and the 3rd post is the first of a likely dozen useable pics a the well built sailor. But a course, I'll be postin' just one per day a THAT sailor ... here's a sample

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/roboy-0/sailors/sailors014dean_spencer_06.jpg)

Think ya can do sumthin' with this specimen?

Sheriff Roland

*GASP*

*rushes off to Anything Goes*   :P

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 05:37:52 am
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 04:53:38 am
Mornin all, mornin June. :-* :-*
Wow Louise, what HOT chapters I woke up to today. :o :o Lovely way to start my day lol. How did your interview go Louise? Fingers crossed for you.

Mornin twin sista!  :-*  Are you and your daughter okay again?  Hope so  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 05:41:32 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 12:08:55 am
Well, I don't think it is necessary to reconsider, especially if we can get the best of both worlds!   8)
This way, we get W.Miller and the strappin sailor!


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/22163a4f.jpg)

Great job, Milli!  :-*

I did also really like the real face that belongs to this hottie!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 06:04:50 am
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 04:53:38 am
Mornin all, mornin June. :-* :-*
Wow Louise, what HOT chapters I woke up to today. :o :o Lovely way to start my day lol. How did your interview go Louise? Fingers crossed for you.

so far so good, apparently the technical interview is a cakewalk and I have the longest resume (oh that sounds naughty doesn't it) of the candidates being interviewed.  But after getting through the technical screen then it's a convo with the customer.  But all remains very hopeful.  I just extended my rental through December so I can make the transition down to the bootsole of Germany sometime around (or hopefully before) Christmas and have a little time to hang around and be Christmasy before starting the new project.  The long term prospects for it are quite good.  And of course, if I get it, I get to divide my December between moving apartments and writing Laramie stories.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 06:32:16 am
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 05:33:01 am
His thoughts were pure:  purely on chocolate cake and watching Clint Eastwood in "Hang em High"

I would have thought he would prefer to watch "Hung in any direction ya want".
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 06:42:59 am
that reminds me - when did those movies "Any Which Way But Loose" and those come out ?  There was a lot of bare chest Clint in those ones.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 06:45:34 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 05:37:52 am
Mornin twin sista!  :-*  Are you and your daughter okay again?  Hope so  :)

Ellooooooooooo twin lol. Yes thanks hun, me and daughter are tons better today. She slept a lot yesterday so I know she wasnt feeling very well. :'( :'( :'( :'( I dont care how old they are, I hate it when my babies are poorly. :'( :'( :'( :'( My headache finaly went after a good nights sleep, only be rudely interupted at about 6 am this morning by next door, who sounds like an old fishwife, screaming at the top of her voice at her kids. She sounds like a T REX!! And thats on a good day lol. I,m sure they had her for the sound of the T REX in Jurassic Park lol. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 06:50:31 am
Full speed ahead!

Don’t get hung up on your fears
Let me nibble on your ears
I know that you feel unsure
Part against and part is for
Don’t you worry Jerry baby
We’re together ain’t no maybe
You’ll be screaming out
‘Please more!’

Listen Nick I said go slow
But I’m feelin’ all aglow
Now we’re lying in the bed
and my pencil’s full of lead
Damn the torpedoes
Full speed ahead!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 24, 2006, 06:51:25 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 05:41:32 am
Great job, Milli!  :-*

I did also really like the real face that belongs to this hottie!!  :D

Me too.   I think I like the sideburns on the original guy better IMO.    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 06:59:52 am
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 06:45:34 am
Ellooooooooooo twin lol. Yes thanks hun, me and daughter are tons better today. She slept a lot yesterday so I know she wasnt feeling very well. :'( :'( :'( :'( I dont care how old they are, I hate it when my babies are poorly. :'( :'( :'( :'( My headache finaly went after a good nights sleep, only be rudely interupted at about 6 am this morning by next door, who sounds like an old fishwife, screaming at the top of her voice at her kids. She sounds like a T REX!! And thats on a good day lol. I,m sure they had her for the sound of the T REX in Jurassic Park lol. ;D ;D

Yeah ~ I hate that too  :(  I'm happy both of you are feeling better again  :)

OMG ~ LOL! ~ she sounds awful!! Maybe you should drop a bomb on her too and take care of her the way you took care of your "best friend"!!  :P  Bunny!  ;D

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 07:01:30 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 06:50:31 am
Full speed ahead!

Don’t get hung up on your fears
Let me nibble on your ears
I know that you feel unsure
Part against and part is for
Don’t you worry Jerry baby
We’re together ain’t no maybe
You’ll be screaming out
‘Please more!’

Listen Nick I said go slow
But I’m feelin’ all aglow
Now we’re lying in the bed
and my pencil’s full of lead
Damn the torpedoes
Full speed ahead!


I absolutely LOVE this, Jo!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 07:01:51 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 24, 2006, 06:51:25 am
Me too.   I think I like the sideburns on the original guy better IMO.    ;)

What about those bee stung lips!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 07:05:02 am
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 06:45:34 am
Ellooooooooooo twin lol. Yes thanks hun, me and daughter are tons better today. She slept a lot yesterday so I know she wasnt feeling very well. :'( :'( :'( :'( I dont care how old they are, I hate it when my babies are poorly. :'( :'( :'( :'( My headache finaly went after a good nights sleep, only be rudely interupted at about 6 am this morning by next door, who sounds like an old fishwife, screaming at the top of her voice at her kids. She sounds like a T REX!! And thats on a good day lol. I,m sure they had her for the sound of the T REX in Jurassic Park lol. ;D ;D

Do the puddles in the back yard quiver when she stomps about?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 07:08:21 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 06:50:31 am
Full speed ahead!

Don’t get hung up on your fears
Let me nibble on your ears
I know that you feel unsure
Part against and part is for
Don’t you worry Jerry baby
We’re together ain’t no maybe
You’ll be screaming out
‘Please more!’

Listen Nick I said go slow
But I’m feelin’ all aglow
Now we’re lying in the bed
and my pencil’s full of lead
Damn the torpedoes
Full speed ahead!


Now that is funny - good but still funny

BTW, posted an affection pic on the sailor's thread - for Milli ---- others beware - faces are fright'nin'

Louise, "Any Which Way But Loose" was a late 70's pic (1980 flick to be precise)
and "Any Which Way You Can" was a 1982 release - according ta Leonard Malton
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 08:06:00 am
oh my, what a poem!  You outdid yourself, Jo.

Now everytime I see a message from you I am going to think "What about those bee-stung lips?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 08:31:20 am
Quote from: louisev on November 23, 2006, 06:35:40 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/154354.html   "Chapter 104:  A Little More More"

I've just re-read this chapter. (had to rush through it this morning, my kids almost arrived at school too late!)

Louise, you are a genius at writing 'the first time' chapters! I love the way you write about the anticipation, excitement and anxiety. this really made me think about the buildup to ennis & ellery's first time together.

And what a sweet, patient, considerate man Nick is! Jeremy sure is lucky. What do you think? Another wonderful romance in the making?

Is there a legal limit on the number of times i can say how much i love your stories and characters?

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 08:37:43 am
Fabienne,

If you found the chapters I wrote last night "sweet" it is because I was wolfing down more of those excellent Neuhaus chocolates while I was writing it!

And I moved one interview closer to the job in Switzerland, and will be staying in Germany till the end of the year, and probably trying to find a place on the German side of the Swiss border if I do.  It is a wonderful opportunity.  Keep your fingers crossed for me!

I will be writing more about Dupree's first time when I get home from work this evening...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 08:43:00 am
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 08:37:43 am
Fabienne,

If you found the chapters I wrote last night "sweet" it is because I was wolfing down more of those excellent Neuhaus chocolates while I was writing it!

And I moved one interview closer to the job in Switzerland, and will be staying in Germany till the end of the year, and probably trying to find a place on the German side of the Swiss border if I do.  It is a wonderful opportunity.  Keep your fingers crossed for me!

I will be writing more about Dupree's first time when I get home from work this evening...

excellent news louise!

and did they put chili peppers in those chocolates? because last night chapters were HAWT!!!

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 09:04:56 am
Gee... that is a good question. I didn't think there were chili peppers in there!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 09:09:47 am
Quote from: TH on November 24, 2006, 08:15:00 am
    Religious worldview, sexuality, cultural distinctives... will all cluster around how we answer the question about what is the ultimate truth. 

   The act of defining ourselves in lesser terms will leave us coming up short... with an insufficient perspective to deal with real life as it comes at us. 

   It is for this reason, that I don't necessarily see Ennis as being gay.  It may well be that he was right in not defining himself with that term... in that the path he was on was in developing personhood rather than sexual identity... and that somewhere inside he understood that...   

An interesting perspective Trail. I agree that viewing Ennis' struggle within the confines of his sexuality could be missing a bigger picture. After all, learning to express love, to be willing to sacrifice for that love, to take responsibility and come to terms with fears nurtured in childhood are acts of self realisation as a human being not just a sexual being. Sometimes we can lose sight of that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 09:18:35 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 08:31:20 am

 this really made me think about the buildup to ennis & ellery's first time together.
 :-*

My thoughts exactly. Didn't Ellery also suggest they start slow? A point of difference - the "more" game was hardly necessary with Ennis "jump the gun" del Mar!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 09:27:12 am
as long as people don't start leaving messages like these

"Jeremy, grab his cock!  Go for the cock!" we'll be fine!

Full speed ahead.  GAH!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 09:39:03 am
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 09:27:12 am
as long as people don't start leaving messages like these

"Jeremy, grab his cock!  Go for the cock!" we'll be fine!

Full speed ahead.  GAH!

Sorry, just got mental image of the readership of the LS crammed into Durpee's bedroom, shouting encouragement from the sidelines  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Wonder who'd be in the forefront? June?? Souxi??  ;)

Karen

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 24, 2006, 09:55:03 am

SPOILER

Standing in line to join the Dupree fan-club  ;).

Excellent, excellent chapters.

"I think I'm gay "  was priceless….

Can't help but feel sorry for poor old Jeeves, though….wonder what he and Lance got up to…. (playing scrabble, no doubt… ;D)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 10:03:53 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 09:39:03 am
Sorry, just got mental image of the readership of the LS crammed into Durpee's bedroom, shouting encouragement from the sidelines  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Wonder who'd be in the forefront? June?? Souxi??  ;)

Karen



Hahahaha Karen yeah your right, we probably would lol. ;D You see, what you lot have to realise is, I NEVER used to be like this, I didnt, I didnt, until I came here, now, that June has corrupted me beyond repair she has. tsk tsk tsk. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 10:08:23 am
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 10:03:53 am
Hahahaha Karen yeah your right, we probably would lol. ;D You see, what you lot have to realise is, I NEVER used to be like this, I didnt, I didnt, until I came here, now, that June has corrupted me beyond repair she has. tsk tsk tsk. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

Oh I dunno Souxi - I think it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.  ;D

You two would definately give Dupree some interesting suggestions!  ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 24, 2006, 10:10:46 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 09:39:03 am
Sorry, just got mental image of the readership of the LS crammed into Durpee's bedroom, shouting encouragement from the sidelines  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Maybe we could do some all-out tribal schtick and beat drums??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 10:12:10 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 10:08:23 am
Oh I dunno Souxi - I think it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.  ;D

You two would definately give Dupree some interesting suggestions!  ;)

Karen


Wellllllllll, you might be right bout that lol. ;D And we could certainly think up some interesting suggestions, culdnt we June?  ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 10:23:11 am
I don't believe you at all, Souxi.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 10:29:54 am
the hit counter has gone completely bonkers now, even though I haven't posted a new chapter yet, and since I have to go shopping when work is over today I am busily typing a new chapter, with "more" in it, for you early rising Easterners with turkey hangovers, and the rest of you Euros.

Stay tuned, it should be ready within the hour.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 10:38:58 am
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 10:03:53 am
Hahahaha Karen yeah your right, we probably would lol. ;D You see, what you lot have to realise is, I NEVER used to be like this, I didnt, I didnt, until I came here, now, that June has corrupted me beyond repair she has. tsk tsk tsk. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

Whaaaa?!!? Excuse me?!  ???

Moi?? Corrupted YOU?  :o  I don't think so,  dear confused twin of mine!

 :-*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 10:46:36 am
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 10:12:10 am
Wellllllllll, you might be right bout that lol. ;D And we could certainly think up some interesting suggestions, culdnt we June?  ;) ;) ;) ;D

No  ;D

*whistles innocently*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 24, 2006, 10:47:50 am
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 10:29:54 am

Stay tuned, it should be ready within the hour.

I sure hope it'll be posted before I go to bed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 10:50:35 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 09:39:03 am
Sorry, just got mental image of the readership of the LS crammed into Durpee's bedroom, shouting encouragement from the sidelines  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Wonder who'd be in the forefront? June?? Souxi??  ;)

Karen



Oh dear ~ We seem to have a rather  "bad" image here on the E and E thread Soux.....  ::)   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 10:58:56 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 10:50:35 am
Oh dear ~ We seem to have a rather  "bad" image here on the E and E thread Soux.....  ::)   :D

So it would seem lol. And Louise doesnt believe I was innocent before I came here. :o I was I tell ya, I was, its June, it is, it is. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 11:07:05 am
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 10:58:56 am
So it would seem lol. And Louise doesnt believe I was innocent before I came here. :o I was I tell ya, I was, its June, it is, it is. ;) ;) ;D

 >:(

 :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 24, 2006, 11:19:01 am
Dear God  Loise!

I left LS in the point when I worried you are going to end saga with kind of Jack / Ennis  second reunion somewhere in heaven, because of Ennis’s brain tumor threat and when I’m back, here are wedding rings an somebody new for Dupree! ;) ;D no heartbreak
Didn’t supposed to be ” the chosen one” somebody who we already met as you said time ago? I’m so suspicious what are you cooking for us ; hope this sympathetic guy is not just temporary diversion.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 11:55:26 am
there are more surprises in store than you can shake a stick at, and welcome back Synne.

New chapter!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/154500.html  "Chapter 105:  The Point of No Return"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 12:05:10 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 11:55:26 am

http://louisev.livejournal.com/154500.html  "Chapter 105:  The Point of No Return"


Mother of God Louise!  :o

I... err... ummm... err...

I was just about to leave the house to go grocery shopping. Can't remember what I need now. They'll fnd me wandering, disorientated, in the frozen food section...

As Dupree would say - more.

Karen

P.S. Love Jeeves. Love 'im, love 'im, love 'im. He sure put the 'eager pup' in his place  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 12:08:39 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 12:05:10 pm
Mother of God Louise!  :o

I... err... ummm... err...

I was just about to leave the house to go grocery shopping. Can't remember what I need now. They'll fnd me wandering, disorientated, in the frozen food section...

As Dupree would say - more.

Karen

P.S. Love Jeeves. Love 'im, love 'im, love 'im. Put the 'eager pup' in his place  :laugh:

I know, Karen, i know!  :o

louise, are you really wondering why the hit counter is going bonkers? really??  :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 12:10:50 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 12:05:10 pm
Mother of God Louise!  :o

I... err... ummm... err...

I was just about to leave the house to go grocery shopping. Can't remember what I need now. They'll fnd me wandering, disorientated, in the frozen food section...

As Dupree would say - more.

Karen

P.S. Love Jeeves. Love 'im, love 'im, love 'im. He sure put the 'eager pup' in his place  :laugh:

I know how you feel Karen, I,m feeling a bit dazed myself at the moment...Jesus God. :o :o :o *THUD*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 12:15:12 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 12:10:50 pm
I know how you feel Karen, I,m feeling a bit dazed myself at the moment...Jesus God. :o :o :o *THUD*

Well, there's only one thing to do: get those bottles of glenfiddle out and celebrate: 500 pages posted on this thread!!!

Lucise, we need a picture!!

congratulations souxi!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 12:19:38 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 12:15:12 pm
Well, there's only one thing to do: get those bottles of glenfiddle out and celebrate: 500 pages posted on this thread!!!

Lucise, we need a picture!!

congratulations souxi!

Thank you..I never realised lol. ;D ;D

(http://bestsmileys.com/bouncing/4.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 12:23:19 pm
Hey June, this is my neighbour lol. This is just what she was like this morning, stamping up and down the stairs.

(http://bestsmileys.com/dinosours/2.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 12:26:13 pm
*hehehehehe*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 12:29:38 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 12:23:19 pm
Hey June, this is my neighbour lol. This is just what she was like this morning, stamping up and down the stairs.

(http://bestsmileys.com/dinosours/2.gif)

PMSL Souxi!!!!  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

You're priceless and I love it!

God you guys! I haven't read the latest chapter yet!!! I think I'm in for a real treat!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOHOOOOO  ;D

*rushes off to read*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 24, 2006, 12:32:24 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 12:29:38 pm

God you guys! I haven't read the latest chapter yet!!! I think I'm in for a real treat!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOHOOOOO  ;D


You are, sweetie...a real big treat!

LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 12:50:18 pm
Hiya everyone!

I just caught up on the last 4/5 pages since last night!!

Happy 500 pages everyone!!  WOOHOO!!

Some Glenfiddle to celebrate, folks!  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/3514ed88.jpg)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/3514ed88.jpg)

I'll go ahead and have one, although it is only 9:50 in the morning over here!  ;D

Off to read the new chapter!  8)



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 12:55:56 pm
Public announcement:

Our sailors are all in the gallery, sideburns or not ..  8)

I am sold on W. Miller myself, I can't shake that.. although  Roland's hot sailor pix are pushing it!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 24, 2006, 12:57:39 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 12:50:18 pm
Hiya everyone!

I just caught up on the last 4/5 pages since last night!!

Happy 500 pages everyone!!  WOOHOO!!

Some Glenfiddle to celebrate, folks!  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/3514ed88.jpg)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/3514ed88.jpg)
          congratulations sioux..........five hundred pages wow, i remember watching all the n umbers climb, i think it was 44 when i first arrived.....it seems so long ago, and now it seems so short....                           heres to the next 500         cheers
I'll go ahead and have one, although it is only 9:50 in the morning over here!  ;D

Off to read the new chapter!  8)




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 24, 2006, 01:03:29 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 12:55:56 pm
Public announcement:

Our sailors are all in the gallery, sideburns or not ..  8)

I am sold on W. Miller myself, I can't shake that.. although  Roland's hot sailor pix are pushing it!   ;D
         i think that rolands sailor is hot, but wentworth is the best in my opinion..the big reason is the access to pics.  wentworth will have  an endless amt. of available pictures, and the other guy probaby only one....hehhe dont try to type while sneezing.... aah chooo
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 01:42:48 pm
Happy 500th page everyone!

Yee haw!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 24, 2006, 02:01:46 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 12:55:56 pm
Public announcement:

Our sailors are all in the gallery, sideburns or not ..  8)

I am sold on W. Miller myself, I can't shake that.. although  Roland's hot sailor pix are pushing it!   ;D

Roland has also started a new sailor thread over on Anything Goes. We have given him a whole new avenue of good looking men to explore. LOL! I did my bit, contributing a classic Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelly pic from "On The Town."

Enjoy everyone...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 02:03:34 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 24, 2006, 12:32:24 pm
You are, sweetie...a real big treat!

LOL

Leslie

Jesus Leslie......I'm all flushed, lol, we've been waiting for this for ages and Louise sure didn't let us down, did she?? OMFG!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 02:05:44 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 12:50:18 pm
Hiya everyone!

I just caught up on the last 4/5 pages since last night!!

Happy 500 pages everyone!!  WOOHOO!!

Some Glenfiddle to celebrate, folks!  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/3514ed88.jpg)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/3514ed88.jpg)

I'll go ahead and have one, although it is only 9:50 in the morning over here!  ;D

Off to read the new chapter!  8)





Cheers everyone! And you Milli!  ;D and yes, Janice cheers to the next 500!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 02:07:31 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 24, 2006, 02:01:46 pm
Roland has also started a new sailor thread over on Anything Goes. We have given him a whole new avenue of good looking men to explore. LOL! I did my bit, contributing a classic Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelly pic from "On The Town."

Enjoy everyone...

Leslie

Oh believe me Leslie, I've already been enjoying  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 24, 2006, 02:17:23 pm
500 pages and 7500 posts! Yahoo, everyone!!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 02:24:19 pm
and at this hour... more Dupree goodness is being cooked up in Laramie Central Processing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 02:28:42 pm
7500 posts?!?!


Ok, we don't need to be leslied or souxied into being edna'ed ..!!
This occasion calls for some chocolate people!!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/f45ba4a1.jpg) (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/eb23e4f8.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/eb23e4f8.jpg) (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/f45ba4a1.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 24, 2006, 02:30:14 pm
And now...

A Hugh interlude!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hughmugging.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 24, 2006, 02:34:44 pm
Who is that imposter, Natali? That doesn't even look like Hugh!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 24, 2006, 02:38:08 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 24, 2006, 02:34:44 pm
Who is that imposter, Natali? That doesn't even look like Hugh!

Leslie

I took the pic from Jackmanslanding so it gotta be him. Anyway, it is him. Look at his eyes. Poor Hugh, being called an imposter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 02:47:59 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 24, 2006, 02:34:44 pm
Who is that imposter, Natali? That doesn't even look like Hugh!

Leslie

 :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 02:50:26 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 02:28:42 pm
7500 posts?!?!


Ok, we don't need to be leslied or souxied into being edna'ed ..!!
This occasion calls for some chocolate people!!  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/f45ba4a1.jpg) (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/eb23e4f8.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/eb23e4f8.jpg) (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/Props/f45ba4a1.jpg)




Oh God, Milli!! Are you trying to kill me?!! That looks SO GOOD ~ I'm a real chocoholic, but not allowed to have it anymore  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 02:59:30 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/154636.html  "Chapter 107:  Playing the Percentages"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 24, 2006, 03:08:46 pm
Everybody's getting laid except poor Ennis and Ellery.  :-(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 03:13:19 pm
Louise, if I have very naughty dreams tonight, I shall hold you entirely responsible. ;) ;) I feel all, erm, well, kind of dazed and not quite "with it" at the moment. Jesus God..as our boys would say. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 24, 2006, 03:15:45 pm
Quote from: MadLori on November 24, 2006, 03:08:46 pm
Everybody's getting laid except poor Ennis and Ellery.  :-(

Yes I know Lori, poor boys, but just think of the fun they WILL have once Ennis has been back to the doctors. He,s being good and following docs orders, so when they finally get to consumate their "marriage", there should be fireworks. :o :o :o :o I should think they will both be pretty desperate by then lol. Bless em.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 03:29:47 pm
They'll be systematically working their way through the existing catalog of Clint Eastwood films.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 24, 2006, 04:00:01 pm
SPOILER



Oh. My. God.

Some things really are worth waiting for !!!

Dear god, I'm speechless.

AMAZING action on ALL fronts.... and to top it all (he-he ;D), that Lance IS something else..."enterntaining in a crude way" is a PERFECT definition.

Poor hit counter.... it isn't going to get any rest tonight... :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 04:08:23 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 03:13:19 pm
Louise, if I have very naughty dreams tonight, I shall hold you entirely responsible. ;) ;) I feel all, erm, well, kind of dazed and not quite "with it" at the moment. Jesus God..as our boys would say. :o :o :o

Heh heh ~ you'll have to pm me!!  ;) 

 :P

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 05:08:27 pm
Quote from: MadLori on November 24, 2006, 03:08:46 pm
Everybody's getting laid except poor Ennis and Ellery.  :-(

LOL..
Yap, seems like alot of sheets burning in Laramie .. hawt damn!
Who knew Jeeves was such a fire cracker?  8)
And please don't get me started on Nick/Dupree  .. I have only just calmed down .. lol

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 05:17:38 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 05:08:27 pm
LOL..
Yap, seems like alot of sheets burning in Laramie .. hawt damn!
Who knew Jeeves was such a fire cracker?  8)
And please don't get me started on Nick/Dupree  .. I have only just calmed down .. lol



hang in there Lucise! get yourself a nice hot bath, and then maybe a backrub and then... , wait, no maybe that's not the right way... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 05:21:41 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 05:17:38 pm
hang in there Lucise! get yourself a nice hot bath, and then maybe a backrub and then... , wait, no maybe that's not the right way... ;D

I'm hanging in here, I truly am .. 
I just need to go read the last chap one more time before I get back to work..   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 05:29:06 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 24, 2006, 10:03:53 am
Hahahaha Karen yeah your right, we probably would lol. ;D You see, what you lot have to realise is, I NEVER used to be like this, I didnt, I didnt, until I came here, now, that June has corrupted me beyond repair she has. tsk tsk tsk. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

Hey Souxi a damn lot of us never used to be like this until we came here. This is our secret life!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 05:37:12 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 05:29:06 pm
Hey Souxi a damn lot of us never used to be like this until we came here. This is our secret life!

you know, i used to have very pure thought about things like 'butter' for instance.

I don't anymore  8)

see? even the word 'more' has come to mean er,.. more i guess.

we've all been louised! we have!  (and thank god for that) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 24, 2006, 05:44:16 pm
Wow, Louise! Spectacular chapters. Would that we could all be as lucky as Jeremy Dupree...

We have a new verb! : 'to jeeve'  or 'to be jeevesed'.

In its context, it is used as follows:

"Boyfriend or no boyfriend you can Jeeves me any day a the week... goddamn.”

Jeeves took another drag of the cigarette and handed it back. “This is all to get me back in the mood, is it?” and began to stroke himself to erection once more.

“If it works... sure,” Lance said, tossing the butt of the cigarette into the ashtray and rolling onto his knees once more. “C’mon man, Jeeve me.”

Any suggestions for a suitable definition for the Laramie Lexicon?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 05:48:22 pm
I see Richard lurking here .. and something tells me we're gonna need to update this in the very near future:  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6ed14900.jpg)


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

Ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...

to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.

To edna – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

Glenfiddled – State of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness


Adding ..

Definition 1:
to jeeve ~ to sexually ravish an eager lover with one's designer "equipment" (quite possibly Armani).
After a statement of rejeevination has been issued to the jeevee, the jeever proceeds to take charge of the sexual encounter, leaving the jeevee panting and helpless for more ..

 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 05:51:49 pm
i am writing another chapter now.   Milli is making me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 05:54:10 pm
Laramie Lexicon

To get Nicked - to be made love to by a skillful, sensitive, ravishingly sexy young lover who is focussed entirely upon one's person to the exclusion of anything else.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 24, 2006, 05:54:35 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 05:51:49 pm
i am writing another chapter now.   Milli is making me.

thank you Milli!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 05:59:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 05:51:49 pm
i am writing another chapter now.   Milli is making me.

squeeeee!!


Quote from: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 05:54:10 pm
Laramie Lexicon

To get Nicked - to be made love to by a skillful, sensitive, ravishingly sexy young lover who is focussed entirely upon one's person to the exclusion of anything else.

Sounds pretty darn good to me!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 06:19:23 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155101.html  "Chapter 108: The Aftermath"

Or... what goes up, must come down.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 06:21:53 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 06:19:23 pm
http://louisev.livejournal.com/155101.html  "Chapter 108: The Aftermath"

Or... what goes up, must come down.

uh oh .. 
.. off to check that out!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 06:27:59 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 05:54:10 pm
Laramie Lexicon

To get Nicked - to be made love to by a skillful, sensitive, ravishingly sexy young lover who is focussed entirely upon one's person to the exclusion of anything else.

OMG ~ you guys are great! I absolutely LOVE the Laramie Lexicon!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 06:28:33 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on November 24, 2006, 01:03:29 pm
         i think that rolands sailor is hot, but wentworth is the best in my opinion..the big reason is the access to pics.  wentworth will have  an endless amt. of available pictures, and the other guy probaby only one....hehhe dont try to type while sneezing.... aah chooo

You must a missed a few a my posts - got another 9 or 10 pics of sideburn boy - that can be used - and I also have access to another dozen pics where bee-sting-lips boy is showin too much for our site.

However, in the long run - the Miller boy is indeed quite allurin'

Sheriff Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 24, 2006, 06:30:53 pm
I didnt miss that one Sheriff.

Bring on the links to the dirty pictures please.  And we now have a sailor gallery!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 24, 2006, 06:31:50 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 05:48:22 pm
I see Richard lurking here .. and something tells me we're gonna need to update this in the very near future:  ;)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6ed14900.jpg)


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

Ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...

to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.

To edna – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

Glenfiddled – State of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness


Adding ..

Definition 1:
to jeeve ~ to sexually ravish an eager lover with one's designer "equipment" (quite possibly Armani).
After a statement of rejeevination has been issued to the jeevee, the jeever proceeds to take charge of the sexual encounter, leaving the jeevee panting and helpless for more ..

 8)
that is a work in progress i am sure and may i say pure 100% gold    lmao
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 06:38:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 06:19:23 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155101.html  "Chapter 108: The Aftermath"

"But .. but .. but .. ".. Ahh Jeremy..Jeremy!
Thank you Louise!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 06:46:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 24, 2006, 06:30:53 pm
I didnt miss that one Sheriff.

Bring on the links to the dirty pictures please.  And we now have a sailor gallery!


I think I'll keep that one in ma pocket - fir now

Sheriff Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 24, 2006, 07:06:26 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 06:46:13 pm
I think I'll keep that one in ma pocket - fir now

Sheriff Roland

Aw  :(

 :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 07:11:16 pm
just posted a 3rd picture of Dean Spencer on the sailor's thread

I told ya I was gonna post one picture a day - and I mean ta keep ta that pace!

As for the naughty pics - don't know how I'll deal with'em yet ...

Sheriff Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 07:17:16 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 07:11:16 pm
just posted a 3rd picture of Dean Spencer on the sailor's thread

I told ya I was gonna post one picture a day - and I mean ta keep ta that pace!

Err..Sheriff .. whut makes you think we can't handle more than one of them pics a day? huh?   ;D
come on!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 07:26:34 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 24, 2006, 07:17:16 pm
Err..Sheriff .. whut makes you think we can't handle more than one of them pics a day? huh?   ;D
come on!!

Not sayin ya can't handle 'em - it's just my way -

I post on all the other established pics threads, just once a day - & this thread was established purty durn quickly

So ya gotta be patient, like most a you's been 'bout the affection thread

Sheriff Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 24, 2006, 07:46:51 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 07:26:34 pm
Not sayin ya can't handle 'em - it's just my way -

I post on all the other established pics threads, just once a day - & this thread was established purty durn quickly

 ::)  Well, if we ain't got no say in the matter ..  :(
Fine!
 :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 24, 2006, 07:47:08 pm
For the lexicon:

to Janice: to make one's blood run cold, and in the case of a male who might possibly have an erection, make it disappear immediately.

usage: "All the warm thoughts of Nick vanished immediately when Dupree realized he had been Janiced."

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 24, 2006, 08:21:54 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 06:28:33 pm
You must a missed a few a my posts - got another 9 or 10 pics of sideburn boy - that can be used - and I also have access to another dozen pics where bee-sting-lips boy is showin too much for our site.

However, in the long run - the Miller boy is indeed quite allurin'

Sheriff Roland
                   objection overrulled i suppose, but i still put miller as one of my top favorites, and can be checked, at the content of who could have they used if not for heath and jake, i said wentworth miller for one of them
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 24, 2006, 08:34:21 pm
Louisev!    OMG!

    I drove home from work at 80 miles per hour just so I could read chapters 105-108!   

   Phew!   All I can say is....... MORE!   LOL   :laugh:


  As for Ennis and Ellery?   When Ennis is done healing and "Up & ready"  look out!

Can't you just see Ellery telling Wes, "I will be in late today because we need to go out and buy a new bed."   
 
Wes: "What?  how the hell did you break your.....oh never mind!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 24, 2006, 09:09:18 pm
Louise, what do they put in the water over there???  ;D

Those chapters today were smokin'!

Of course Jeremy is going to have some doubts and questions, Nick was wonderfully caring with him though. Hope they do see each other again.

I knew that Jeeves wasn't a man to be under estimated. Lance knows when he's on to a good thing.

The gossip in the bar will be rife after tonight's events - you just know that Lauren was watching everything.

As for Janice - well, as we say in the UK - she can just do one.

Tee hee... Ennis and Ellery must be at home wondering why Laramie seems to be going through some sort of seismic shift not of their making (for a change).

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 10:13:31 pm
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 07:26:34 pm
Not sayin ya can't handle 'em - it's just my way -

I post on all the other established pics threads, just once a day - & this thread was established purty durn quickly

So ya gotta be patient, like most a you's been 'bout the affection thread

Sheriff Roland

Ya know Roland - sometimes you sound so much like Ennis I can hardly stand it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 10:25:05 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 24, 2006, 10:13:31 pm
Ya know Roland - sometimes you sound so much like Ennis I can hardly stand it.

Well I guess that's gotta be the nicest thing a heard in a Year.

gave me a glow  :)

but if it's the language you's talkin about - blame it on the Laramie Saga - been a big influence

Sheriff Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 25, 2006, 12:16:33 am
Louise

Nothing much I can add to what the others have said about the last few chapters.  You captured Dupree’s internal struggles, his hesitation and his guilt so brilliantly and convincingly.  Inasmuch as I love to read about Ennis and Ellery, these chapters about Dupree’s first sex experience with man just could not spare me a minute to think of them at all.  It’s not just about how hot and erotic the sex was, it’s more about how he began to face his feelings and the interactions between him and Nick that gripped my heart totally.  And I want to say I’m happy for Jeeves, I just hope Lance will prove to be worthy of Jeeves who I have grown to like a lot.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 01:01:23 am
..And the list keeps getting bigger and bigger .. (not unlike certain things we have encountered in recent chapters.. ;D)
Let me know if I omitted a term, will ya?



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6ed14900.jpg)


to Leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to Souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to June:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

to fistulate:  To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to Dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

to Tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

Ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

Fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...

to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.

To edna – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

Glenfiddled – State of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness

To Sampsonise - to carry out a lightning-fast pickup of a gay sexual virgin, while at the same time promising: "We'll take it slow".

Coyotition: An intimate sexual manouevre indulged in exclusively by horse trainers and deputy sheriffs, wherein one imitates a coyote biting and the other pretends to be a Pillsbury doughboy.

to jeeve ~ to sexually ravish an eager lover with one's designer "equipment" (quite possibly Armani).
After a statement of rejeevination has been issued to the jeevee, the jeever proceeds to take charge of the sexual encounter, leaving the jeevee panting and helpless for more ..

To get Nicked - to be made love to by a skillful, sensitive, ravishingly sexy young lover who is focussed entirely upon one's person to the exclusion of anything else.

to Janice: to make one's blood run cold, and in the case of a male who might possibly have an erection, make it disappear immediately.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 25, 2006, 03:54:23 am
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on November 24, 2006, 10:25:05 pm
Well I guess that's gotta be the nicest thing a heard in a Year.

gave me a glow  :)

but if it's the language you's talkin about - blame it on the Laramie Saga - been a big influence

Sheriff Roland

Well it's what you say as well as how you say it! ;D ;D

Maybe we could add to the Laramie Lexicon:

A Rolandism - something that Ennis might have said (on those occasions when when Ennis was saying anything at all!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 25, 2006, 05:55:14 am
Mornin all, mornin twin. ;) ;D
Well that was some seriously HOT stuff I got to read first thing this morning Louise. :o :o :o :o
I agree with some of the comments on LJ about Janice. She is getting creepy..hanging around on street corners late at night in the dark waiting for Jeremy. Shes a weirdo, dont like her. >:( She,d better not turn out to be like Bunny either, or she,ll feel one of my bombs on her head. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 25, 2006, 10:17:14 am
Wow, that new chapter Loise, it's something else.


I really like Nick Sampson the Sailor.

I am worried about what janice will do to him if he does not get out of her way.
That woman has serious problems.  She is being very suspicious and nasty.

It started me thinking as to what might happen if you wrote a showdown between Nick and Janice. 
I don't know if Nick would veen know what was going on LOL!


I don't want to know any spoilers so I think I will just wait and read what happens with her and Dupree and Nick.  But I did really like the idea of a showdown, because that might solve some of the problems for Dupree.

Anyway, I liked the idea so much that I tried to make a piece of fanart for it.
Please be kind, I am not very good at manips, because I can never get the lighting right on people's skins.  If anyone has any consturctive criticsm on how to improve my manip skills (I know it takes alot of parctice too!) you could maybe PM me?

Thanks!

Anyway here it is:

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2667/nickandjanicemanippk8.jpg)

I know Nick the Sailor looks like Wentworth Miller.
I didn't know if you had picked a Nurse to play Janice yet though.

It's very funny because I know a Nurse called janice.  She doesn't look like the one in the picture though, and is actually a very kind and wonderful person.  She has a funny sense of humour, but I don't think she would be waiting for Dupree or terrorizing Nick.

Souxi, if I get a better picture for Janice can I post one of you throwing a bomb at her??? LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: BBMaddict on November 25, 2006, 10:22:27 am
Quote


Nothing much I can add to what the others have said about the last few chapters.  You captured Dupree’s internal struggles, his hesitation and his guilt so brilliantly and convincingly.  Inasmuch as I love to read about Ennis and Ellery, these chapters about Dupree’s first sex experience with man just could not spare me a minute to think of them at all.  It’s not just about how hot and erotic the sex was, it’s more about how he began to face his feelings and the interactions between him and Nick that gripped my heart totally.  And I want to say I’m happy for Jeeves, I just hope Lance will prove to be worthy of Jeeves who I have grown to like a lot.



Here, here! I totally agree! I don't know how much more perfectly the picture of this whole encounter between Nick and Dupree (the better part of seven chapters too, whew!) could have been created in my mind. The constant mix of the physical, as well as mental details of the "experience" were perfectly described.

And as far as Jeeves is concerned, I too hope that he can be a more contented and happy person after the evenings events. I was concerned for him at first, and very happy to see him allowed the necessary "pleasures" in life. Lance better be good to him.  >:(


(Post modified to fix the quoty thing - LVH)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 10:29:01 am
getting going a bit late here... typity typing chapter 108.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 25, 2006, 10:39:24 am
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 10:29:01 am
getting going a bit late here... typity typing chapter 108.

Actually, Louise, I hope you are typing chapter 109...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 10:45:25 am
sigh... big numbers you know...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on November 25, 2006, 10:46:41 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 23, 2006, 03:32:09 pm
A Brief Interlude to salute:

Beefy!Ennis and his pregnant mare ..   8)


Thanks Mill - that's one of my faves!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 11:31:09 am
I have to say I have a bit of partiality to Beefy!Ennis myself - something about those pillow-like pecs...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 12:02:34 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155327.html  "Chapter 109:  Wyoming vs. Dupree"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 25, 2006, 12:12:18 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 25, 2006, 05:55:14 am
Mornin all, mornin twin. ;) ;D
Well that was some seriously HOT stuff I got to read first thing this morning Louise. :o :o :o :o
I agree with some of the comments on LJ about Janice. She is getting creepy..hanging around on street corners late at night in the dark waiting for Jeremy. Shes a weirdo, dont like her. >:( She,d better not turn out to be like Bunny either, or she,ll feel one of my bombs on her head. ;) ;) ;D

Afternoon sweet twin sista of mine  ;D  :-*  Afternoon all!

LOL!LOL! to bombing Janice!  ;D

Just read your pm  :(  was hoping to read "other" stuff if you know what I mean.... ;)  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 25, 2006, 12:22:34 pm
Morning, y'all!
Well, it's still morning here.    ;D
I have survived 'Turkey Day' and yesterday, I was up at 5 A.M. to go shopping.  We were home by 7:30.  It's the one day of the whole year I can get my DH into a store.   :laugh:

I agree, beefy!Ennis is yummy.  Of course, beefyJake and beefyHugh are positively drool-worthy!   :P  *slurp*

Loving these chapters about Dupree's first gay 'sexperience'!   ;)  The poor boy - so confused, such angst!

This entire saga has helped me to get over the tragedy that is BBM so much.  The end of the movie had me so depressed, it had triggered a mini-relapse of my PTSD symptoms for the past several months.  I should have known better, as I really don't handle sad stories well.

Thank goodness for Louise and the LS and fanfiction in general.  
Have an excellent weekend, y'all!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 12:23:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 12:02:34 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155327.html  "Chapter 109:  Wyoming vs. Dupree"

Woowee!!

Great to wake up and find a new chapter!   :D  Off to read!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 25, 2006, 12:45:24 pm

It's been a long time since I posted on this thread, since I was so behind on all my reading. But finally got caught up with the LS!

Couldn't help thinking that some of Dupree's thoughts right after his experience -- I'm gay because this happened, but.... I'm not gay because, but......  might be rather close to some of Ennis' conflicts over his relationship with Jack.  Maybe his asking Ennis about it earlier is because he senses that kind of connection?

This is kind of OT, but one of the best comments to the LS I've read in awhile was right after Chapter 85, from a reader who often makes very perceptive comments:

I really truly believe that Jack would look upon this as a blessing that Ennis is living life and doing the things he always dreamed for Ennis. I think Jack would not be the kind of man to be selfish and want Ennis to live in misery the rest of his life. I think he is smiling down and giving his blessing on this.

Now Ennis needs to work on that problem with the leg bone in his ear....   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 12:50:54 pm
I can't believe you caught up on 39 chapters in one sitting Marcia... holy COW.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 25, 2006, 01:02:50 pm

Yeah, but sometimes my eyes work faster than my brain - that's why I once thought Lauren was a girl....  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 01:35:02 pm
Some Playful!Hugh to balance out the images of LeatherX-Man!Hugh I was watching for hours last night ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/Anim/a1b9f680.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 01:49:04 pm
*sigh*, more hugh!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 25, 2006, 02:08:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 01:49:04 pm
*sigh*, more hugh!

Just for you then Louise, with pleasure. :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 25, 2006, 02:25:43 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 01:49:04 pm
*sigh*, more hugh!


Don't you just love this more-game?

MORE nick, MORE ennis & ellery, MORE hugh, MORE .....

 :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 02:36:46 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155442.html  "Chapter 110:  Port In A Storm"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 25, 2006, 03:05:18 pm
More Hugh!  :D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/pbhmel.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/leogrin.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 03:11:58 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 25, 2006, 02:08:49 pm
Just for you then Louise, with pleasure. :) :)

Absolutely bloody gorgeous Hugh there Souxi!  8)  damn..
Love the pose ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 04:22:44 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 02:36:46 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155442.html  "Chapter 110:  Port In A Storm"

.. And the plot thickens ..  8)


Amazing last two chapters Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 04:23:17 pm
that last picture (Hugh as the Duke of Albany) just makes me want to nibble his Adam's apple.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 25, 2006, 04:42:51 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 04:23:17 pm
that last picture (Hugh as the Duke of Albany) just makes me want to nibble his Adam's apple.

Uhm Louise ... his Adam's apple??

 :P

 ;D

 8)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 25, 2006, 04:43:51 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 04:23:17 pm
that last picture (Hugh as the Duke of Albany) just makes me want to nibble his Adam's apple.

 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 04:46:37 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 25, 2006, 04:42:51 pm
Uhm Louise ... his Adam's apple??

 :P

 ;D

 8)



yes - his hyoid eminence.  The part of a man's throat that sticks out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 25, 2006, 05:01:46 pm
I,m off for the nite peeps. C ya all tomorow. Nite all, nite twin. ;) ;) ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 25, 2006, 05:17:57 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 25, 2006, 05:01:46 pm
I,m off for the nite peeps. C ya all tomorow. Nite all, nite twin. ;) ;) ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*

Nite nite twinnie  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 25, 2006, 05:18:59 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 04:46:37 pm
yes - his hyoid eminence.  The part of a man's throat that sticks out.

Err yes Louise ... I know that!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 05:21:22 pm
yes, that IS the part I want to nibble! Is that so hard to understand?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 05:27:46 pm
Some H and H ..
Simply because I rather do this than housework ..lol    :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/ab49ce5f.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 05:40:39 pm
oh now that is a dynamite pair Milli!

More H & H!  Less Housework!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 05:41:17 pm
a new chapter will be out in a short while.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 06:02:28 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155767.html  "Chapter 111:  The Borderlands of Sex"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 06:19:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 06:02:28 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155767.html  "Chapter 111:  The Borderlands of Sex"

3 chapters today.. and counting .. woowee!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 06:21:02 pm
no no, not counting.  Three is enough for you, missy.  I'm cutting you off!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 25, 2006, 06:22:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 05:21:22 pm
yes, that IS the part I want to nibble! Is that so hard to understand?

No, no, Louise! I guess I should just get my mind outta the gutter! LOL!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 06:35:26 pm
there is love above the waist, my dear Juni.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 25, 2006, 06:44:27 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 06:35:26 pm
there is love above the waist, my dear Juni.

Oh yeah Louise, definitely  :) Thank God for that! And some sweet love it is too  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 06:47:18 pm
Sometimes a little whispering and a long session of kissing can be the most erotic thing in the world.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 06:49:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 06:21:02 pm
no no, not counting.  Three is enough for you, missy.  I'm cutting you off!

Okay ..okay .. fine!  ;D

I just threw in the "and counting" part just to be on the safe side .. :P

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 25, 2006, 07:08:44 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 06:47:18 pm
Sometimes a little whispering and a long session of kissing can be the most erotic thing in the world.

Oh yes ~ totally agree with you about that  :)  Kissing someone you really like and have feelings for is absolutely wonderful  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 07:25:04 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 25, 2006, 07:08:44 pm
Oh yes ~ totally agree with you about that  :)  Kissing someone you really like and have feelings for is absolutely wonderful  :)

.. as well as kissing someone you didn't even think you could like ..
Just ask Jeevesy and Lancelot ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 25, 2006, 07:34:44 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 25, 2006, 07:25:04 pm
.. as well as kissing someone you didn't even think you could like ..
Just ask Jeevesy and Lancelot ..  ;D

I kind of got the feeling there was no kissing between Jeeves and Lance. Too intimate. Remember the scene in Pretty Woman about kissing? I was reminded of that.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 07:41:07 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 25, 2006, 07:34:44 pm
I kind of got the feeling there was no kissing between Jeeves and Lance. Too intimate. Remember the scene in Pretty Woman about kissing? I was reminded of that.

Leslie

No kissing there, that was wham bam thank you Jeeves.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 07:46:46 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 07:41:07 pm
No kissing there, that was wham bam thank you Jeeves.

Lance was definitely digging the wham bam jeeving .. lol!   
We have to update our definition of "jeeving" in the lexicon ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 07:57:57 pm
Part of the definition of "Jeeving" involves carefully folding the suit jacket and trousers and putting them safely out of harm's way before getting wet and nasty in bed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 25, 2006, 08:04:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 07:57:57 pm
Part of the definition of "Jeeving" involves carefully folding the suit jacket and trousers and putting them safely out of harm's way before getting wet and nasty in bed.

and using a condom?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 25, 2006, 08:08:52 pm
Louise
I was reading chapter 110 and a question sprang to mind - did you name Jeremy after Jeremy Irons? 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 25, 2006, 08:12:23 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 25, 2006, 08:04:07 pm
and using a condom?

L

All points duly noted! 
Look for the "jeeve" update when Richard publishes the next edition of the Laramie Lexicon!   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 08:14:58 pm
definitely handy with the condom.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 08:17:29 pm
Quote from: yb on November 25, 2006, 08:08:52 pm
Louise
I was reading chapter 110 and a question sprang to mind - did you name Jeremy after Jeremy Irons? 

no I didn't.  I wanted him to have a name he didn't like, so I picked the name of someone I knew really disliked his name - my neighbor Jeremy from when I lived in Seattle.  Jeremy was known for being extremely animated during all-weekend marathons of Dungeons and Dragons in the apartment above mine, and he giggled like a schoolgirl.  For many weeks I was convinced that there was a party girl up there with the three boys servicing all of them and letting out that ceiling-penetrating giggle.

All the time it was Jeremy, and they were playing D & D.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 25, 2006, 08:32:19 pm
Perhaps I have been influenced by Jeremy Irons, the name Jeremy impressed me as someone more on the intellectual side, so Dupree was certainly more suitable.  But as the story goes, I'm getting more and more used to 'Jeremy', and feel that the name 'Jeremy Dupree' suits him very much - conflicting and contrasting just like the owner himself.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 25, 2006, 08:47:45 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 25, 2006, 01:35:02 pm
Some Playful!Hugh to balance out the images of LeatherX-Man!Hugh I was watching for hours last night ..  8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/Anim/a1b9f680.gif)

Milli I love these shots - are they from a film or what?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 25, 2006, 08:51:34 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 04:46:37 pm
yes - his hyoid eminence.  The part of a man's throat that sticks out.

Louise how do you just pluck things like this out of the air? While I know what an adam's apple is, I've never heard of "hyoid eminence". It not something that comes up in conversation all that often!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 25, 2006, 08:56:22 pm
I dunno, I guess I paid attention in science or something.

actually... looking at Gray's anatomy... the hyoid is the top lump, and the thyroid cartilage below it is the second and more prominent one, so I guess I must not have been paying that much attention in science.


and yes i would like a little nibble of each of em!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 25, 2006, 09:04:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 25, 2006, 06:02:28 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155767.html  "Chapter 111:  The Borderlands of Sex"

E/J Yippee, I was waiting for this conversation :) ; when, today( upsy it's tomorrow in Europe) ...soon???
Ennis is going to get a big bit of distraction in his boredom and our poor boy hopefully a big bitrelief for his achy soul.
After half- day of raking maple leaves those 3 chapters with illustration of "dynamite duo" from Lucise
are  reward from heaven :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 25, 2006, 09:20:46 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 25, 2006, 08:12:23 pm

Look for the "jeeve" update when Richard publishes the next edition of the Laramie Lexicon!   8)

A 'Jeeves' update, as requested, incorporating all information supplied by the author and other observant bystanders (voyeurs?) at the Jeeves/Lance encounter:

to jeeve :  To carefully fold one’s suit jacket and trousers and put them safely out of harm's way before getting wet and nasty in bed and sexually ravishing an eager lover with one's designer "equipment" (preferably Armani). A condom with a union-jack imprinted design is obligatory.


Thinking back to earlier, less heated (though not necessarily more innocent), times in the LS, it occured to me that the following definitions could be helpful:

To ejaculate: To spontaneously shout out the name of one's former sexual partner when reaching a moment of climactic sexual passion with the former partner's successor.

a calicop: A police officer who performs his duties with punctiliousness, thoroughness and over-attention to detail, always writing up reports on time, never eating doughnuts, and being prepared even to: a) write out a speeding ticket for his superior officer when the circumstances dictate, and b) rescue calico cats from a tree when so ordered. (For further details, refer to Officer Reynolds)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 25, 2006, 10:26:10 pm
A further update:

Hyoid eminence:  The part of a man's throat that sticks out. When the man displays strong hughdity, sagacious authors exhibit an intense desire to nibble it.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 25, 2006, 10:40:49 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 25, 2006, 10:26:10 pm
A further update:

Hyoid eminence:  The part of a man's throat that sticks out. When the man displays strong hughdity, sagacious authors exhibit an intense desire to nibble it.




Oh you clever man! Ha ha ha
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 26, 2006, 03:35:56 am
SPOILER

Very interesting stuff is going on.

I loved the tie - in to all those chapters ago, about Dupree's disappointment due to Ellery's actual preferences. I never even imagined this was his reaction at the time, and now it makes perfect sense...

Can't wait for more :), and can't wait for Ennis's talk with Dupree.

Also, I keep wondering about  Jeeves' story. If he spent so many years with Charles, how come he is so "experienced with young pups" ?
Seems there is a lot more to Jeeves(y) than meets the eye.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 26, 2006, 05:41:13 am
Mornin peeps, mornin twin. :-* :-*
Well, today it,s raining, and I mean, raining. It,s orrible weather it is, bloody oriible so some steamy stuff is in order today please to brighten up the day. That was some hot dream Jeremy was having there Louise. :o :o :o :o
The thing is, Ennis will know excactly how he feels, because hes been there himself. And yes Milli I was being mean about that woman lol, and I meant it too lol. I mean, how could he possibly want that stick insect, when hes got that gorgeous hunk of a man to screw?  ::) ::) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 26, 2006, 06:53:28 am
Words are redundant.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/wetjackman.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 26, 2006, 07:14:47 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 25, 2006, 10:40:49 pm
Oh you clever man! Ha ha ha

I second that!

 :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 26, 2006, 07:17:05 am
Quote from: souxi on November 26, 2006, 05:41:13 am
Mornin peeps, mornin twin. :-* :-*
Well, today it,s raining, and I mean, raining. It,s orrible weather it is, bloody oriible so some steamy stuff is in order today please to brighten up the day. That was some hot dream Jeremy was having there Louise. :o :o :o :o
The thing is, Ennis will know excactly how he feels, because hes been there himself. And yes Milli I was being mean about that woman lol, and I meant it too lol. I mean, how could he possibly want that stick insect, when hes got that gorgeous hunk of a man to screw?  ::) ::) ;) ;D

Afternoon twin sista  :-*  :-*

Yep ~ waiting for Louise to brighten up the day too!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 08:24:21 am
you wont have long to wait.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 26, 2006, 08:30:50 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 26, 2006, 06:53:28 am
Words are redundant.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/wetjackman.jpg)

Jo, looking at that first thing on a Sunday morning, has made me feel all, erm, well, a bit hot. :o *ahem* ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 26, 2006, 08:43:07 am
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 08:24:21 am
you wont have long to wait.

Oh goodie, Louise!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 26, 2006, 09:04:21 am
SPOILER


What is Dupree up to? I know that he's confused, but isn't he complicating his life just a little?

He's arranged to see Nick on Saturday (probably) and Paula on Sunday. I guess that's what he feels he needs to do to figure things out. Surely both of his dates would be a bit out out to discover that he had pans with someone else. I'm just thinking of Nick saying that he wasn't on the lookout for anyone else.

I'm looking forward to Dupree's chat with Ennis.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 26, 2006, 09:07:59 am
Poor Dupree.    He has way too much going right now.   And seeing the ADA Paula doesn't seem like a good idea even if he wasn't confused with his sexual identity.    Dating someone in the workplace is always a recipe for disaster.

Let's hope Ennis (the man of few words) has some good advice for our lovestruck Dupree.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 26, 2006, 09:08:54 am
Morning all,

Greetings from the east coast of the United States. Cool and frosty here this morning....sort of like Janice's mood, I suspect!

Our friend Jeremy...yes, when it rains, it pours I think! Women and men throwing themselves at him and his imagination is in hyperdrive. It will be interesting to see what words of wisdom Ennis can pass along. I am looking forward to that conversation.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 26, 2006, 09:11:01 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 26, 2006, 09:08:54 am
I am looking forward to that conversation.


Good afternoon, Leslie!

Oh me too, so much! I wish Louise would hurry up!! *grins at Louise*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 09:20:11 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/155975.html  "Chapter 112:  Counsel to the Queer"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 26, 2006, 09:40:38 am
Great chapter, Louise!

S P O I L E R





Did Ellery suspect Dupree's feeling toward him or Ennis?  Or was he just teasing Dupree?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 09:49:48 am
SPOILER








It wasn't really that he was teasing him... something about Dupree's attitude toward him made him feel uneasy and he felt compelled to ask.  Dupree admitting that he had some attraction feelings for Ellery when he was on his date with Nick brought them closer to the surface, and so Dupree is acting skittish around Ellery in a way that he was not before.  His awareness of Ellery sexually is far closer to the surface now that he has had sex contact with another male, and Ellery senses this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 26, 2006, 09:59:29 am
SPOILER






Ellery is really straight forward.  Poor Dupree, I hope he'll get over his feeling for Ellery soon and find his own love.  But I'm glad he has Ennis to consult with and I'm sure Ellery will be there to help him face his feeling and sort things out.  I just remember, Ellery had a dream about Dupree, too, will it cause any trouble between him and Ennis?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 26, 2006, 10:31:44 am
Quote from: yb on November 26, 2006, 09:59:29 am
SPOILER






Ellery is really straight forward.  Poor Dupree, I hope he'll get over his feeling for Ellery soon and find his own love.  But I'm glad he has Ennis to consult with and I'm sure Ellery will be there to help him face his feeling and sort things out.  I just remember, Ellery had a dream about Dupree, too, will it cause any trouble between him and Ennis?

It shouldnt do yb. From what I remember it was the pills Ellery was taking that were making him have allsorts of weird dreams and nightmares and Ennis knows about the dream anyway.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 11:05:23 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/156371.html  "Chapter 113:  Living In the Queer World"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 01:32:44 pm
another update.

What are you all completely breathless or something?

http://louisev.livejournal.com/156655.html  "Chapter 114:  Nowhere to Run"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 26, 2006, 02:14:55 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 01:32:44 pm
another update.

What are you all completely breathless or something?

http://louisev.livejournal.com/156655.html  "Chapter 114:  Nowhere to Run"

We certainly were Louise.

Firstly, some excellent advice from Ennis. He cetainly knows the downside to trying to deny your true self. Hopefully Dupree will take his advice nd cancel the date with Ms ADA, before she gets hurt and it all turns ugly.

I have to say that I relly hoped that Nick was going to turn up at the bar, and he did  ;D. Talk about a quick turnaround - did he even sit down?  :laugh:

Now, tonight is the the deciding time for Dupree. Mmmmm... gonna be interesting.

Will we have to wait with baited breath till tomorow Louise?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 26, 2006, 02:26:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 01:32:44 pm
another update.

What are you all completely breathless or something?

http://louisev.livejournal.com/156655.html  "Chapter 114:  Nowhere to Run"

Louise after reading about Jeremy, and Ennis and Ellery, we are ALWAYS breathless...and a bit hot lol. ;D Well as Karen said, tonight will be interesting to say the least. Should be some steamy stuff going on, Jeremy could hardly wait to get his hands on Nick!! :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 02:27:07 pm
no, Leslie reminded me that it would not be a good cliffhanger to leave on a Sunday night so I am writing the next chapter now!  stay tuned for "No Turning Back"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 26, 2006, 02:29:46 pm
Leslie reminded her that this is like the old days...four chapters in one day. Hooray for re-inspiration!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 26, 2006, 02:30:28 pm
Woooooweeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Thanks Louise. Cant wait for this.  :o :o :o *sits glued to the screen* ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 26, 2006, 02:33:40 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 26, 2006, 02:29:46 pm
Leslie reminded her that this is like the old days...four chapters in one day. Hooray for re-inspiration!

Leslie

Thats what we like Leslie, you keep reminding her lol. ;) ;D   NOT that wer,e trying to bully you write more chapters or anything, are we? *looks innocent*  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 26, 2006, 02:38:26 pm
Bonjour tout le monde!!  ;)


I woke up to find not 1 .. not 2.. but 3 chapters this morning!  Good lord Louise!  Cheers!  :D



Quote from: magicmountain on November 25, 2006, 08:47:45 pm
Milli I love these shots - are they from a film or what?

Hey Jo, Those shots were from a mag photo shoot (Instyle, I believe!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 26, 2006, 02:42:51 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 26, 2006, 02:38:26 pm
Bonjour tout le monde!!  ;)


Oh my, aren't you sleeping in today! Let's see it is 10:41 am in Alberta, if I am figuring correctly. You lazy bones! Meanwhile, we have mushroom pizza, serious conversations, seduction at the Stallion and more to come....


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 26, 2006, 02:47:15 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 26, 2006, 02:42:51 pm
Oh my, aren't you sleeping in today! Let's see it is 10:41 am in Alberta, if I am figuring correctly. You lazy bones! Meanwhile, we have mushroom pizza, serious conversations, seduction at the Stallion and more to come....


L

Actually it is 11.49 right now!     I do feel like a lazy bag of bones, yes .. lol..
I woke up at 11.30, brushed my teeth and came online immediately ..  ;D 
And I am rewarded with 3 chapters!  Woowee!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 26, 2006, 02:56:56 pm
I haven't slept til 11:30 since I can't remember when. Sleeping til 7:30 am today seemed incredibly extravagant! LOL

Well, the bonus for all of us is that Louise has the writer's itch today....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 26, 2006, 03:19:37 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 26, 2006, 02:56:56 pm
I haven't slept til 11:30 since I can't remember when. Sleeping til 7:30 am today seemed incredibly extravagant! LOL

Well, the bonus for all of us is that Louise has the writer's itch today....

L

Yes me too Leslie. 6.30 am is a luxury for me. :'( :'( I bet Jeremy,s itch will have been well and truely srcatched before the night is over. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 03:31:16 pm
itchity itchity itch.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/156715.html  "Chapter 115:  No Turning Back"

I guess there was no turning back for me, either.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 26, 2006, 03:55:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 03:31:16 pm
itchity itchity itch.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/156715.html  "Chapter 115:  No Turning Back"

I guess there was no turning back for me, either.

This chapter is utterly unbelievable!  Good gracious!    :D :o 8)
Thanks Louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 26, 2006, 03:57:44 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 03:31:16 pm
itchity itchity itch.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/156715.html  "Chapter 115:  No Turning Back"

I guess there was no turning back for me, either.


that left me utterly speechless! phew
but thank you, as always  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 26, 2006, 04:04:41 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 03:31:16 pm
itchity itchity itch.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/156715.html  "Chapter 115:  No Turning Back"

I guess there was no turning back for me, either.

Blimey! There certainly wasn't Louise. Go Jeremy!  ;D

Dupree has to cancel this farce of a date with Paula now doesn't he? Surely he's going to be seeing much more of Nick over the weekend.

Wonder how he'll extricate himself from it without hurting her feelings.

Ellery is going to be shocked when he hears about this. Tee hee.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 26, 2006, 04:07:01 pm
Well, I erm, feel all of a dither now. Dazed and disorientated might be a better description actually. Right, I shall, erm depart for the night and hopefully have hot, I mean sweet dreams. *ahem*  Jesus God..Jeremy certainly got his bell rung didnt he? Nite all, nite June. *wanders off in a dazed and bewildered state"  :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 26, 2006, 04:13:02 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 26, 2006, 04:07:01 pm
*wanders off in a dazed and bewildered state"  :P :P :P :P

LOL  :laugh:

Been a bit like that the past few days hasn't it?  ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 26, 2006, 04:18:48 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 26, 2006, 04:07:01 pm
Well, I erm, feel all of a dither now. Dazed and disorientated might be a better description actually. Right, I shall, erm depart for the night and hopefully have hot, I mean sweet dreams. *ahem*  Jesus God..Jeremy certainly got his bell rung didnt he?

 ;D  Yap, Souxi, Jeremy sure got his bells rung .. LOL.. rung so good I can hear them all the way here in Alberta!  damn!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 04:43:48 pm
yep. I swear, I don't know what got into those boys.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 26, 2006, 04:58:21 pm
Now I’m breathless Louise,
Sure, Dupree won’t be seen around the town, office and bar more then is absolutely necessary until Nick is on the leave ;D

“Couple a...”

Nick nodded. “I was on a ship. Not a lot a hookups on a ship.” ??? ??? ???

can’t believe it, seems like they aren’t going meet soon after he is back on ship… if they will ever meet again ( poor sailor)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on November 26, 2006, 05:02:56 pm
Lori = ded from hot.

I admit, I was kind of rooting for Straight!Dupree, but hey...I'm not one to discourage anyone from having hawt mansex.

In fact, I might encourage them to have it some more.  Again.  Repeatedly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 06:14:49 pm
yes, as unbelievable as it seems.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157066.html  "Chapter 116:  Another Kind of Love"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 26, 2006, 06:17:55 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 06:14:49 pm
yes, as unbelievable as it seems.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157066.html  "Chapter 116:  Another Kind of Love"

You are on a roll!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 06:33:05 pm
yes but since it is going on midnight, I think I 'll have to stop rolling!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 26, 2006, 06:39:27 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 06:33:05 pm
yes but since it is going on midnight, I think I 'll have to stop rolling!!!

Whot?!?!  ???  Is that all we're gettin today??!?!!! only 5 chapters - It's my birthday, ya know - couldn't ya churn out just one more?

(Hey, I had ta try!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 06:41:47 pm
Happy Birthday, Roland.  You got simultaneous Army/Navy orgasms for your birthday, boy an that is all yer gonna get!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 26, 2006, 06:42:26 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 06:14:49 pm
yes, as unbelievable as it seems.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157066.html  "Chapter 116:  Another Kind of Love"

Whoo-wee!, as Ellery might say. This must be some kind of output record, Louise, and one for which we are all surely very grateful. Another excellent chapter, providing a gentle back-to-earth landing after the roller-coaster ride of the previous chapters.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 26, 2006, 06:55:09 pm
no, my record day while writing the Laramie Saga was 10,000 words, back in early June I think.  Today was only about 8,500.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 26, 2006, 06:58:56 pm
Laramie Lexicon addition

Laramied out - state of surfeit having had five chapters of the Saga dished out in quick succession
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 26, 2006, 07:01:23 pm
That last chapter was very loving, Louise.

My husband and I did that...wore our wedding rings for one night--I think it was the day we picked them up. Then we put them back in their boxes until the wedding, and after that, wearing them ever since.

Thanks, Louise.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 26, 2006, 07:02:57 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 26, 2006, 06:58:56 pm
Laramie Lexicon addition

Laramied out - state of surfeit having had five chapters of the Saga dished out in quick succession

Excellent, MM.  Lucise, please note and update.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 26, 2006, 07:23:41 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 06:14:49 pm
yes, as unbelievable as it seems.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157066.html  "Chapter 116:  Another Kind of Love"


Oh...my...gawd!  Yet another chapter!?!   

*singing* 
"I'm in heaven ... I'm in heaven ...hmmm-hmmm-hmmm-hmmm ..."
 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 26, 2006, 07:38:11 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 26, 2006, 07:23:41 pm

Oh...my...gawd!  Yet another chapter!?!   

*singing* 
"I'm in heaven ... I'm in heaven ...hmmm-hmmm-hmmm-hmmm ..."
 
i will sing along,,,,and my heart beats so that i can hardly speak, and i seem to find the happiness   seek.  when we are out together..talking week to week....oops is that how it goes?
i
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 26, 2006, 07:44:28 pm
Another for the Lexicon:

an eastwoody: A physiological reaction to viewing too many videos of Ennis del Mar's favourite bare-chested film star.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 26, 2006, 08:30:11 pm

Quote from: richardg49 on November 26, 2006, 07:44:28 pm
Another for the Lexicon:

an eastwoody: A physiological reaction to viewing too many videos of Ennis del Mar's favourite bare-chested film star.

Ah, that’s hilarious ;)
Guess, I might finally to check that  glorified chest myself ( I mean, some video/cd with that chest)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 02:42:42 am
Quote from: louisev on November 26, 2006, 06:14:49 pm
yes, as unbelievable as it seems.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157066.html  "Chapter 116:  Another Kind of Love"

5 chapters today!  :D
I am all geared up for the wedding day!!  yeehaw!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 02:49:37 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 26, 2006, 07:44:28 pm
Another for the Lexicon:

an eastwoody: A physiological reaction to viewing too many videos of Ennis del Mar's favourite bare-chested film star.

Does that mean the woody goes east?   :P :P 8)
Sorry, really bad joke ..lol..

*runs and hides*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 02:52:12 am
Like I said, I am all psyched for the wedding!
I don't know if the lads got their rings engraved or not but .. I took the liberty anyway .. 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6bebae5b.jpg)


*sigh*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 02:56:14 am
One more thing before bed ..
As per Richard the Laramie Lexicon expert's wishes .. 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/d88b6fca.jpg)



to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...

a calicop: A police officer who performs his duties with punctiliousness, thoroughness and over-attention to detail, always writing up reports on time, never eating doughnuts, and being prepared even to: a) write out a speeding ticket for his superior officer when the circumstances dictate, and b) rescue calico cats from a tree when so ordered. (For further details, refer to Officer Reynolds)

coyotition: An intimate sexual manouevre indulged in exclusively by horse trainers and deputy sheriffs, wherein one imitates a coyote biting and the other pretends to be a Pillsbury doughboy.

to dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

an eastwoody: A physiological reaction to viewing too many videos of Ennis del Mar's favourite bare-chested film star.

to edna – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

to ejaculate: To spontaneously shout out the name of one's former sexual partner when reaching a moment of climactic sexual passion with the former partner's successor.

fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to fistulate: To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to be glenfiddled – To be in a state of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness

hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

hyoid eminence:  The part of a man's throat that sticks out. When the man displays strong hughdity, sagacious authors exhibit an intense desire to nibble it.

to janice: to make one's blood run cold, and in the case of a male who might possibly have an erection, make it disappear immediately.

to jeeve :  To carefully fold one’s suit jacket and trousers and put them safely out of harm's way before getting wet and nasty in bed and sexually ravishing an eager lover with one's designer "equipment" (preferably Armani). A condom with a union-jack imprinted design is obligatory.

to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

to june:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

laramied out - state of surfeit having had five chapters of the Saga dished out in quick succession

to leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to get nicked - to be made love to by a skillful, sensitive, ravishingly sexy young lover who is focussed entirely upon one's person to the exclusion of anything else.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.

ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

a  rolandism - something that Ennis might have said (on those occasions when Ennis was saying anything at all!)

to sampsonise - to carry out a lightning-fast pickup of a gay sexual virgin, while at the same time promising: "We'll take it slow".

to souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

 


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 03:47:20 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 02:52:12 am
Like I said, I am all psyched for the wedding!
I don't know if the lads got their rings engraved or not but .. I took the liberty anyway .. 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6bebae5b.jpg)


*sigh*

Aw they are BEAUTIFUL Milli   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 04:09:29 am
Ennis and Ellery meet a Mountain Troll

Ennis and Ellery went for a walk
on a holiday interlude
They had just made love
and the sun above
reflected their bright and happy mood

They had gone to the mountains once again
to seek some solitude
And the mountain air
blew through their hair
as they ran and laughed in the nude

But envious eyes watched the happy pair
with snorts of disgust at the love they share
For a hairy beast came from its lair
to ogle and peep
from its rocky keep
and spy on the lovers from there

Ennis and Ellery went for a stroll
unaware that a mountain troll
was watching every move they made
Not comprehending what it saw
it sucked upon its hairy paw
and planned to rain on their parade

Mountain trolls so people say
do not like happy campers
It makes them mad
and even sad
to smell those picnic hampers

And so this mountain beastie plotted
with revenge it was besotted
Laid in wait behind a rock
and planned to give them such a shock

It held its breath
The boys came near
but stopped to kiss awhile
The troll let out its breath once more
with a rasp-like bestial snore

Ellery heard and Ennis smelt
The distinctive odour of its pelt
"I can sniff a troll ahead"
said Ellery to his lover
"It must have come up from its hole
Lets go and find some cover"

They quickly walked
back to their camp
and Ellery got his gun
The troll decided it was time
to turn around and run

Ellery let off a blast or two
to warn the beast away
His sharpshooting skills
echoed through the hills
to the troll's dismay

It went back to its hole in the ground
and there it decided to stay
And never again was it seen around
from then until this day!

(http://www.mjoesormen.no/Bilder/trolletisvartkampen.jpg)

The Mountain Troll
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 04:39:16 am
That was a pretty Grimm tale, Jo!!!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 04:50:52 am
Wow, Jo ~ that was so great and funny!  :D

Good morning, Louise  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 27, 2006, 05:09:33 am
Great chapters.

GREAT chapters.

I think I need a cigarette. And I don't even smoke...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 06:00:37 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 02:56:14 am
One more thing before bed ..
As per Richard the Laramie Lexicon expert's wishes .. 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/d88b6fca.jpg)



to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...

a calicop: A police officer who performs his duties with punctiliousness, thoroughness and over-attention to detail, always writing up reports on time, never eating doughnuts, and being prepared even to: a) write out a speeding ticket for his superior officer when the circumstances dictate, and b) rescue calico cats from a tree when so ordered. (For further details, refer to Officer Reynolds)

coyotition: An intimate sexual manouevre indulged in exclusively by horse trainers and deputy sheriffs, wherein one imitates a coyote biting and the other pretends to be a Pillsbury doughboy.

to dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

an eastwoody: A physiological reaction to viewing too many videos of Ennis del Mar's favourite bare-chested film star.

to edna – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

to ejaculate: To spontaneously shout out the name of one's former sexual partner when reaching a moment of climactic sexual passion with the former partner's successor.

fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to fistulate: To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to be glenfiddled – To be in a state of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness

hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

hyoid eminence:  The part of a man's throat that sticks out. When the man displays strong hughdity, sagacious authors exhibit an intense desire to nibble it.

to janice: to make one's blood run cold, and in the case of a male who might possibly have an erection, make it disappear immediately.

to jeeve :  To carefully fold one’s suit jacket and trousers and put them safely out of harm's way before getting wet and nasty in bed and sexually ravishing an eager lover with one's designer "equipment" (preferably Armani). A condom with a union-jack imprinted design is obligatory.

to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

to june:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

laramied out - state of surfeit having had five chapters of the Saga dished out in quick succession

to leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to get nicked - to be made love to by a skillful, sensitive, ravishingly sexy young lover who is focussed entirely upon one's person to the exclusion of anything else.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.

ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

a  rolandism - something that Ennis might have said (on those occasions when Ennis was saying anything at all!)

to sampsonise - to carry out a lightning-fast pickup of a gay sexual virgin, while at the same time promising: "We'll take it slow".

to souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

Don't forget The Rolandism - to say something like Ennis would have said it (when he happened to be saying anything at all!)



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 27, 2006, 06:15:05 am
Oh it's there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 06:43:03 am
Here is your morning heads-up, folkses.

It is Monday on my final week of work on this contract, and I have to deliver the final development document and functionality for some weird piece of shit (TM).  Because I will be leaving for good on Wednesday, demands might be a little high, or I might have to come up with some more stuff before I go, in the limited time frame available.

So all of that is to say: I do not know what my writing schedule will look like.  Perhaps unchanged, perhaps... low.  But since you all got a feast o' Dupree, Nick, Jeeves, Lance, and E & E over the weekend, I hope that sustains you until I get the finale completed.  You aren't in a rush I hope.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 27, 2006, 06:46:37 am
Hey, Lucise, many thanks for updating and alphabetising the Lexicon. It seems so much better now.


CHALLENGE!:  In light of impending events in Laramie, we need a definition prepared for when the day arrives. 
Please submit your suggestions for a definition of the word delmarriage.  The best entry will be added to the Lexicon. The judge (me!) will have final decision on all entries. And, yes, I do accept bribes - send Nick the sailor to me; I need urgently to be sampsonised.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 07:35:57 am
Oh my, Sampsonized!!!

that sounds so luscious!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 07:40:33 am
delmarriage: a marriage ceremony held between the celebrants in absence of an officiant and often witnesses. Rings are exchanged in a delmarriage and the vow made between the celebrants is deep and binding. Any sort of marriage or wedding that follows the delmarriage only serves to formalize the delmarriage; this second marriage is optional.

In the fanfic literature, examples of delmarriages are found in Chapter 116 of The Red Stallion ("Another Kind of Love"); Chapter 9 of A Love Born From Steel (the crafts fair); and Human Interest. Jack and Ennis of ALBFS had a second delmarriage 30 years after their first in Chapter 14 (Eternal Knot) of Through The Veil Of Time.

In real life, my husband and I had a delmarriage two months before our church wedding.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 27, 2006, 07:42:37 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 04:09:29 am
Ennis and Ellery meet a Mountain Troll
Ellery let off a blast or two
to warn the beast away
His sharpshooting skills
echoed through the hills
to the troll's dismay

It went back to its hole in the ground
and there it decided to stay
And never again was it seen around
from then until this day!

The Mountain Troll

Great work Jo!  The images you conjure up with your words are so clear and well formed.  I consider them a poetic equivelent to Luicise's work.

Oh what a horrible beast.

Good job the echo sound of Ellery's skills frightened it away (or maybe the sound of the shots frightened it away).  

Quote
from then until this day!
Oh no!  TODAY is this day!  Let's all hope no Mountain Trolls come sniffing around eh?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 08:07:28 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 02:52:12 am
Like I said, I am all psyched for the wedding!
I don't know if the lads got their rings engraved or not but .. I took the liberty anyway .. 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6bebae5b.jpg)


*sigh*

absolutely...gorgeous... rings.  Now - since Ellery won't tell, just how much DID they cost?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 08:10:38 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 07:40:33 am

In the fanfic literature, examples of delmarriages are found in Chapter 116 of The Red Stallion ("Another Kind of Love"); Chapter 9 of A Love Born From Steel (the crafts fair); and Human Interest. Jack and Ennis of ALBFS had a second delmarriage 30 years after their first in Chapter 14 (Eternal Knot) of Through The Veil Of Time.

In real life, my husband and I had a delmarriage two months before our church wedding.

Leslie

quite distinguished company, I must say.  I am inevitably reminded of my days in the Church of the Subgenius, where one of their sacraments was the ShorDurMar (Short Duration Marriage), a marriage lasting for longer than 90 minutes and usually less than two weeks, designed for the purpose of making the church appear family oriented.  That was completely off-topic, I know, but something about "Delmarriage" reminded me of the ShorDurMar.  Now that I think of it:  Britney Spears had a ShorDurMar too didn't she?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 08:10:56 am
Delmarriage - must be preceded by:

at least 20 years of  :'( :'( :'( :'(

followed by at least five months transition from  ???  ??? to  :) :)

The officiating sheriff must keep  :-X :-X :-X :-X

and the wedding attended by hundreds of ;D ;D ;D ;D

to cheer the happy couple  :-* :-*


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 08:21:46 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 08:10:56 am
Delmarriage - must be preceded by:

at least 20 years of  :'( :'( :'( :'(

followed by at least five months transition from  ???  ??? to  :) :)

The officiating sheriff must keep  :-X :-X :-X :-X

and the wedding attended by hundreds of ;D ;D ;D ;D

to cheer the happy couple  :-* :-*




 :)  :)  :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 27, 2006, 09:21:42 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 08:10:56 am
Delmarriage - must be preceded by:

at least 20 years of  :'( :'( :'( :'(

followed by at least five months transition from  ???  ??? to  :) :)

The officiating sheriff must keep  :-X :-X :-X :-X

and the wedding attended by hundreds of ;D ;D ;D ;D

to cheer the happy couple  :-* :-*




Sage words ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 09:31:43 am
Perhaps we could add mountain troll to the Laramie Lexicon. The following definition comes courtesy of the Bestiary section of the Harry Potter Lexicon.

Mountain troll - The mountain troll is very stupid. It stands twelve feet tall, with grey skin, a lumpy body, and flat horny feet. It exudes a powerfully awful smell, "a mixture of old socks and the kind of public toilet no one seems to clean." Its nose is full of what looks like lumpy, gray glue: troll boogers. Their language consists of grunting and pointing.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 27, 2006, 09:37:17 am
Wow!      Coming home to find 5 chapters was an awsome treat !!

Thanks Louisev!


      But as Jeremy would say........M mm more please!      :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 27, 2006, 09:40:26 am
SPOILER>>



      After a night like that with Nick,  Jeremy sure as hell isn't going out with Paula !

Trust me.  I had a girlfriend and the first night I had sex with a guy I knew I couldn't switch back!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 09:48:01 am
she just didn't have the same appeal anymore, eh David?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 09:54:47 am
At this rate soon Wes and Joe will be the only straights in the village!

PS Are we sure about Joe? Maybe he's sublimating something with all those muffins.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 10:38:30 am
I urge everyone in my private friends group to read the following announcement:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157321.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 27, 2006, 11:13:34 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 09:54:47 am
At this rate soon Wes and Joe will be the only straights in the village!

It's 'Little Laramie'.

I'm assuming Wes only stays with Edna for her baking? :laugh:
Regarding Wes and his need to:
Quote
The officiating sheriff must keep  :-X  :-X  :-X

Now, a $500 dollar slap on the wrist is insignificant when you have the fabulous wealth of Ellery, so surely Wes could go ahead with that.

Although, Sherriff Jim Pond, the current Sherriff of Laramie, was of the opinion that such an act would be met with instant dismissal, loss of pension, and a 95% chance of jail-time.  He also opined that it would make Wes

[uote]"a corrupt sheriff who has no regard for the law, his peers and the people he is supposed to set a good example to."[/quote]

Which doesn't sound like our Wes at all!  :(
Hope that's helpful.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 11:22:04 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 02:52:12 am
Like I said, I am all psyched for the wedding!
I don't know if the lads got their rings engraved or not but .. I took the liberty anyway .. 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6bebae5b.jpg)


*sigh*

milli, those a beautiful rings. Have they been added to the gallery yet? Or are you waiting till after the wedding?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 11:23:38 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 09:54:47 am
At this rate soon Wes and Joe will be the only straights in the village!

PS Are we sure about Joe? Maybe he's sublimating something with all those muffins.

I think he is sublimating his desire for spaghetti and meatballs with the muffins.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 11:34:42 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 11:22:04 am
milli, those a beautiful rings. Have they been added to the gallery yet? Or are you waiting till after the wedding?



delMarriage, Fabienne... get with the vocab!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 11:41:54 am
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 11:34:42 am
delMarriage, Fabienne... get with the vocab!

okay, okay,

Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 02:52:12 am
Like I said, I am all psyched for the wedding!
I don't know if the lads got their rings engraved or not but .. I took the liberty anyway .. 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/6bebae5b.jpg)


*sigh*

Milli, those are beautiful rings. Have they been added to the gallery yet? Or a you waiting till after the delmarriage?

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 11:50:28 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 11:41:54 am
okay, okay,

Milli, those are beautiful rings. Have they been added to the gallery yet? Or a you waiting till after the delmarriage?

 ;D

The delmarriage has occurred. So I would say the rings can go in the gallery.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 12:04:16 pm
I love that word!  It is great!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 12:11:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 12:04:16 pm
I love that word!  It is great!

Delmarriage...

I do too. And I think it is a very real phenomenon, too. My husband (then fiance) and I had a scene very, very similar to what you wrote for Ennis and Ellery. It was the same situation (the day we picked up our rings) and the same place (ie, in bed). We tried them on, didn't want to take them off, I cried. We wore them all night then the next morning, took them off, put them away, and didn't even look at them again until the "real" wedding. But something happened that night which finalized everything between us. No more cold feet, no more doubts...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 12:12:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 12:04:16 pm
I love that word!  It is great!

I love it too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 27, 2006, 12:15:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 12:11:48 pm
We tried them on, didn't want to take them off, I cried. We wore them all night then the next morning, took them off, put them away,

Wait, wait...what do you mean "all night"...surely you we're not togather all night before the benefit of marriage?  Oh my angelic image is broken to bits.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 12:22:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 10:38:30 am
I urge everyone in my private friends group to read the following announcement:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157321.html

I have read this and commented Louise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 27, 2006, 12:25:05 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 12:11:48 pm
Delmarriage...

I do too. And I think it is a very real phenomenon, too. My husband (then fiance) and I had a scene very, very similar to what you wrote for Ennis and Ellery. It was the same situation (the day we picked up our rings) and the same place (ie, in bed). We tried them on, didn't want to take them off, I cried. We wore them all night then the next morning, took them off, put them away, and didn't even look at them again until the "real" wedding. But something happened that night which finalized everything between us. No more cold feet, no more doubts...

Leslie

How long have you been married Leslie? If thats not a nosey question? It,s actually 20 years for me on the 1st of December. Cant wait for our boys marriage. That scene with the rings bought tears to my eyes, as did your scene Leslie with Jack and Ennis. *SIGH* I blubbed, I did, I admit it lol. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 12:31:08 pm
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 27, 2006, 12:15:33 pm
Wait, wait...what do you mean "all night"...surely you we're not togather all night before the benefit of marriage?  Oh my angelic image is broken to bits.   ;D

Actually, Scott the parallels between my romance with my husband and what has gone on with Ennis and Ellery are uncanny, including initiating a sexual relationship very early on (for us, it was on our first date), moving in together, getting engaged (after 5 months), then married (when we had known each other less than 11 months). Reading the delmarriage ceremony sent shivers down my spine since Tony and I had done the exact same thing, right down to the tears.

Some have criticized this story for being "too much, too fast" but I don't take issue with that at all, since I feel like I am reading my own story and I know it can happen this way. It did for me! The only difference: I'm not gay.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 12:33:22 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 27, 2006, 12:25:05 pm
How long have you been married Leslie? If thats not a nosey question? It,s actually 20 years for me on the 1st of December. Cant wait for our boys marriage. That scene with the rings bought tears to my eyes, as did your scene Leslie with Jack and Ennis. *SIGH* I blubbed, I did, I admit it lol. ::) ::)

We celebrated our 28th wedding anniversary on June 2 and have been together 29 years.

Like you, I am always a sucker for a good wedding and cry at all of them. That's why I like to write them, too.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 27, 2006, 12:36:30 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 12:33:22 pm
We celebrated our 28th wedding anniversary on June 2 and have been together 29 years.

Like you, I am always a sucker for a good wedding and cry at all of them. That's why I like to write them, too.

L

Wow Leslie thats the day after my birthday!! :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 12:49:43 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 27, 2006, 12:36:30 pm
Wow Leslie thats the day after my birthday!! :o :o :o :o :o

OMG twin sista!!! It's your B'day on June 1st?? NOOOOOOOOOO!! Mine too!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :D

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 27, 2006, 12:52:30 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 12:49:43 pm
OMG twin sista!!! It's your B'day on June 1st?? NOOOOOOOOOO!! Mine too!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :D

 :-*

OMFG NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Is that spooky or what!!! :o :o :o :o woooweeee. brilliant. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 12:59:32 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 27, 2006, 12:52:30 pm
OMFG NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Is that spooky or what!!! :o :o :o :o woooweeee. brilliant. ;D ;D ;D

YEAH REAL SPOOKY AND FREAKY but pretty COOL too!!! Jeeeeez twinnie ~ you're a Gemini too! WOW!  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 01:01:52 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 10:38:30 am
I urge everyone in my private friends group to read the following announcement:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157321.html


I have read it louise!
thank you for letting us know
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 01:03:53 pm
Hiya everyone!

You all sure have been busy this morning!  ;)

Rings are going to the gallery asap.

I love the delmarriage definitions so far, maybe I'll think of something to add later!

June and July Souxi -  ;D Fancy you two having the same birthday!!  That explains a LOT!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 01:08:35 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 01:03:53 pm
Hiya everyone!

You all sure have been busy this morning!  ;)

Rings are going to the gallery asap.

I love the delmarriage definitions so far, maybe I'll think of something to add later!

June and July Souxi -  ;D Fancy you two having the same birthday!!  That explains a LOT!   ;D

Hahaha Milli!! It sure does! LOL  ;D

Wish she *was* called July!!  Would have been really cool....well maybe not for her! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 27, 2006, 01:09:06 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 01:03:53 pm
Hiya everyone!

You all sure have been busy this morning!  ;)

Rings are going to the gallery asap.

I love the delmarriage definitions so far, maybe I'll think of something to add later!

June and July Souxi -  ;D Fancy you two having the same birthday!!  That explains a LOT!   ;D

AND  the same year too!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :o :o :o :o :o How spooky is that!! :o :o Super cool though lol.  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 01:10:29 pm
June and Siouxi...that is so wild. And Louise wrote you as twins!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on November 27, 2006, 01:14:39 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 12:59:32 pm
Jeeeeez twinnie ~ you're a Gemini too! WOW!  ;D  :-*

Wow - that is spooky and very cool: Gemini twins  ;D  That being said, I've always found I have a special bond with people that share my birthday so I can see why you get on so well  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 01:16:03 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 01:10:29 pm
June and Siouxi...that is so wild. And Louise wrote you as twins!

L

I know Leslie! Same B'days, same year, nearly the same names and Louise wrote us as twins!! Like you said so wild but totally cool!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 27, 2006, 01:22:44 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 12:33:22 pm
We celebrated our 28th wedding anniversary on June 2 and have been together 29 years.

Like you, I am always a sucker for a good wedding and cry at all of them. That's why I like to write them, too.

L

Your story is beautiful Leslie, thanks for sharing it.

I always thought that the marriage vows should be personal, and more powerful when exchanged in private. I actually tried to get my husband to agree to a private ceremony, at the time. Didn't work ... ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 01:50:13 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 01:10:29 pm
June and Siouxi...that is so wild. And Louise wrote you as twins!

L

A larger force is at work here, wouldn't you agree?! 
Some wierd cosmic thingie is going on ..
Louise, you know something we don't?   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 01:59:14 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 01:50:13 pm
A larger force is at work here, wouldn't you agree?! 
Some wierd cosmic thingie is going on ..
Louise, you know something we don't?   ;D

Well, yes, I do.  But I'm not allowed to talk about it.   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 02:09:19 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 01:59:14 pm
Well, yes, I do.  But I'm not allowed to talk about it.   ;)

How 'bout if I ask reeeeaallly nicely?   :P

I can't say I am surprised that June & Souxi turned out to be cosmic twins .. lol ..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 02:19:18 pm
well, okay.

I was teasing you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 27, 2006, 02:25:13 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 09:31:43 am
Perhaps we could add mountain troll to the Laramie Lexicon. The following definition comes courtesy of the Bestiary section of the Harry Potter Lexicon.

Mountain troll - The mountain troll is very stupid. It stands twelve feet tall, with grey skin, a lumpy body, and flat horny feet. It exudes a powerfully awful smell, "a mixture of old socks and the kind of public toilet no one seems to clean." Its nose is full of what looks like lumpy, gray glue: troll boogers. Their language consists of grunting and pointing.

Why yes, although Magic Mountain Trolls appear nowhere in the Laramie Saga, it would still be an excellent idea to add in an entry.  I find this part particularly relevant:
Quote
It exudes a powerfully awful smell, "a mixture of old socks and the kind of public toilet no one seems to clean."
I think there's a clear and relevant connection here.

Oh, you might also want to include this about some 'Trolls':
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they seemed considerably more intelligent and less smelly. They spent all their time pacing the corridor in front of the Fat Lady's portrait, giving dirty looks to everyone who happened by
Yes, a troll armed with a big club, ready to protect that which is precious.  Considerably more intelligent than those you cite first, and ready to dish out pain to evildoers.  An asset to Wizarding society.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 27, 2006, 02:27:34 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 10:38:30 am
I urge everyone in my private friends group to read the following announcement:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157321.html

Thanks Louise.
I've read but I didn't want to reply.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 02:29:05 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 12:31:08 pm
Actually, Scott the parallels between my romance with my husband and what has gone on with Ennis and Ellery are uncanny, including initiating a sexual relationship very early on (for us, it was on our first date), moving in together, getting engaged (after 5 months), then married (when we had known each other less than 11 months). Reading the delmarriage ceremony sent shivers down my spine since Tony and I had done the exact same thing, right down to the tears.

Some have criticized this story for being "too much, too fast" but I don't take issue with that at all, since I feel like I am reading my own story and I know it can happen this way. It did for me! The only difference: I'm not gay.

Leslie



ow, leslie, who said romance is dead? That's so sweet.


Thank you for sharing your story.

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 02:54:29 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 02:29:05 pm


ow, leslie, who said romance is dead? That's so sweet.


Thank you for sharing your story.

 :-*

Thanks, Fabienne...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 02:59:02 pm
Putting on my moderator hat for a minute:

Quote from: Kelpersmek on November 27, 2006, 02:25:13 pm
An asset to Wizarding society.

This quote was in response to some earlier messages/lexicon definition, etc...

This has been fun, but let's let the trolls go back to the Enchanted Forest outside of Hogwarts, shall we? Last time I looked, this was the Laramie Saga/BBM fandom, not Harry Potter.

Thanks.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

Leslie
Moderator, Fanfic
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 27, 2006, 03:12:10 pm
A HOT HUGH INTERLUDE!!!!



(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/Scoop_11.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/Scoop-6.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/kandl_jackman.jpg)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 03:13:27 pm
Quote from: opinionista on November 27, 2006, 03:12:10 pm
A HOT HUGH INTERLUDE!!!!




(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/Scoop_11.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/Scoop-6.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/kandl_jackman.jpg)

perfect, just what i needed!  ;D



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 27, 2006, 03:18:45 pm
HOT JAKE!!
  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/normal_015.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/normal_013.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 03:19:00 pm
*hubba*?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 27, 2006, 03:21:43 pm
What a load of Jackman, eh?

Let's keep the Jack and add some more Man  O0

(http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/2431/jakebmel4.jpg)

(http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6159/snapshot200601212314503td2.jpg)

(http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/2748/jakebmub2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 03:26:10 pm
Here's a memory from an earlier book, nice to remember on the eve of the upcoming nuptials:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/1120.jpg)


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/flowercard.jpg)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 27, 2006, 03:26:52 pm
Lovely Heath and sweet Matilda
:D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/HeathMatilda.jpg)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/PC_307146_CN0081_19.jpg)



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 03:27:22 pm
I always liked this one:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/heath.jpg)

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 27, 2006, 03:28:47 pm
Doh, I forgot to post one of my Jack and Ennis pics, so to make it up to you I made a little story to go along with it. 

(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3932/91777872e1ca4fcf6371063mv0.jpg)

JACK: "WHAT'S THIS BOOK ENNIS?"

ENNIS: "I DUNNO, JUST FOUND IT LYIN'."

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/d88b6fca.jpg)

JACK: "WOOO-WEEE!  SOUNDS LIKE A PARTY TOWN, WANNA MOVE THERE?"

ENNIS: "MAYBE LATER?"  :laugh:

So, more pics or back to the Fic?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 03:33:21 pm
Quote from: opinionista on November 27, 2006, 03:18:45 pm
HOT JAKE!!
  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/normal_015.jpg)



This pic was the reason I started the JJJ thread!
Woowee!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 27, 2006, 03:38:58 pm
I love this pic too.

Here is my caption for it:

    "Hey Ennis!   Leave the beach umbrella alone.  Let it be!   Now git over here and warsh my back for me".    ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/normal_015.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on November 27, 2006, 03:44:31 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 12:31:08 pm
Some have criticized this story for being "too much, too fast" but I don't take issue with that at all, since I feel like I am reading my own story and I know it can happen this way. It did for me! The only difference: I'm not gay.

Do you think then, that perhaps that would have made a difference?  In my experience it is easier to make a commitment as a mixed-sex couple than as a same-sex couple - there are far fewer barriers in your way.  Indeed, most societies actively encourage men and women to marry whereas there are often laws in place to prevent same-sex marriage or legal partnership.  I think this could be why some people have reservations about Ennis and Ellery making a commitment so soon.  The barriers, both societal and psychological, would certainly have had an impact on Ennis, given his background.  I'm not saying he could never get to that point, it would just take him a bit of time to do it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on November 27, 2006, 03:46:07 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 27, 2006, 03:38:58 pm
    "Hey Ennis!   Leave the beach umbrella alone.  Let it be!   Now git over here and warsh my back for me".    ;D

LOL!!  You should do a series of these!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 03:52:34 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157683.html  "Chapter 117: In the Eyes of the Law"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kelpersmek on November 27, 2006, 04:10:08 pm
Quote
Maine: I'm not gay.

Quote from: merrobot on November 27, 2006, 03:44:31 pm
Do you think then, that perhaps that would have made a difference?  In my experience it is easier to make a commitment as a mixed-sex couple than as a same-sex couple - there are far fewer barriers in your way.  Indeed, most societies actively encourage men and women to marry whereas there are often laws in place to prevent same-sex marriage or legal partnership.  I think this could be why some people have reservations about Ennis and Ellery making a commitment so soon.  The barriers, both societal and psychological, would certainly have had an impact on Ennis, given his background.  I'm not saying he could never get to that point, it would just take him a bit of time to do it.

I have lost track, exactly how long a time period does LS take place over?

I know one of the criticisms aimed at your fic Ennis on the Couch was that Ennis' development was too quick. 

Wyoming had state-specific laws to prevent same-sex marriages, so I can see both cultural and psychological barriers to the development process.  On the other hand Ellery© is clearly very determined to marry Ennis and holds a vast quantity of money, which can have spectacular effects.

It would be interesting if we  have any people here who are gay and live in that state (I am sure I heard from one person for which this is the case) as to their perception of same-sex marriage. 

I am sure as a gay sherriff, ElleryCantrell© has different perceptions and social standing to most people, but it would be interesting to see the wider reaction to the marriage outside of the Laramie gay community.  What does the town think?  Has it made them more accepting or more hostile?  An authority figure usually has ripples of influence from their actions.

That made me think, maybe Enni's growth is accelerated by Ellery's© ability to use his money and influence to shelter them from the outside world to an extent?  What would the psychological impact of this be?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 04:21:30 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 03:52:34 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/157683.html  "Chapter 117: In the Eyes of the Law"

louise, that chapter was just spot on! funny, passionate, loving. I love Wes and Edna planning their boys's 'wedding delmarriage reception like that. Just like parents do.

sigh, wonderful chapter!

thank you  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 04:24:48 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 04:21:30 pm
louise, that chapter was just spot on! funny, passionate, loving. I love Wes and Edna planning their boys's 'wedding delmarriage reception like that. Just like parents do.

sigh, wonderful chapter!

thank you  :)

That and ..

“Yer a wicked woman, Edna Brown. Seducin a sheriff in the line a fried chicken.”

was priceless ..  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 04:26:08 pm
Those two have a lot of time booked in the intimacy department.

And who would a thought:  A DEEP FRYER.  Guess who's goin shoppin at the Sears tonight!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 27, 2006, 04:27:12 pm
Right, I,m off for the night peeps. C ya all tomorw. Nite twin sister. Be good..you know I am lol. ;) ;D :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 27, 2006, 04:29:37 pm

'Dupree went back to his apartment, changed into his running clothes, and set out in the deepening cold twilight to run off his tension, but even deep into his exercise high, his mind returned again and again to Ennis’s cautions, and his doubt that Dupree would be able to do anything to suppress being queer. He had to face it, to give in to the inevitable, to succumb to what his body seemed to be dragging him toward, what his dreams and fantasies kept returning to, again and again.'

- The Red Stallion Chapter 114: Nowhere to Run

A further addition to the Laramie Lexicon:

a jeremiad: Originally, a long-drawn-out lamentation for a deep personal loss. In Laramie, a short moment of nostalgic regret at having lost one's delusions of being heterosexual, followed by excited anticipation of the pleasures of the new world of queerness one is about to enter into.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 04:29:57 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 27, 2006, 04:21:30 pm
louise, that chapter was just spot on! funny, passionate, loving. I love Wes and Edna planning their boys's 'wedding delmarriage reception like that. Just like parents do.

sigh, wonderful chapter!

thank you  :)

you are very welcome.  I had a certain trepidation about writing about Wes and Edna's intimacy, but then I remembered there are a lot of older readers here, some of them in long term marriages, who might get a real kick out of the middle aged parental figures reacting to Ennis and Ellery's impending "delmarriage" !!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 04:31:09 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 27, 2006, 04:29:37 pm

[size=8pt]'Dupree went back to his apartment, changed into his running clothes, and set out in the deepening cold twilight to run off his tension, but even deep into his exercise high, his mind returned again and again to Ennis’s cautions, and his doubt that Dupree would be able to do anything to suppress being queer. He had to face it, to give in to the inevitable, to succumb to what his body seemed to be dragging him toward, what his dreams and fantasies kept returning to, again and again.'

- The Red Stallion Chapter 114: Nowhere to Run[/i]

A further addition to the Laramie Lexicon/:

a jeremiad: Originally, a long-drawn-out lamentation for a deep personal loss. In Laramie, a short moment of nostalgic regret at having lost one's delusions of being heterosexual, followed by excited anticipation of the pleasures of the new world of queerness one is about to enter into.

Richard, you are sooo good at these!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 04:43:41 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 04:31:09 pm
Richard, you are sooo good at these!

Well, no sh!t!   Good work there Rich!  ;D 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on November 27, 2006, 04:53:23 pm
Quote from: Kelpersmek on November 27, 2006, 04:10:08 pm
I know one of the criticisms aimed at your fic Ennis on the Couch was that Ennis' development was too quick.

Yes - but I did place certain 'external catalysts' in the story to speed up the process.  But anyway - that's OT  :)  On the other hand, the Laramie Saga takes place over a longer time span and many more chapters which perhaps gives more opportunity for character development.

Quote
I am sure as a gay sherriff, ElleryCantrell© has different perceptions and social standing to most people, but it would be interesting to see the wider reaction to the marriage outside of the Laramie gay community.  What does the town think?  Has it made them more accepting or more hostile?  An authority figure usually has ripples of influence from their actions.

That made me think, maybe Enni's growth is accelerated by Ellery's© ability to use his money and influence to shelter them from the outside world to an extent?  What would the psychological impact of this be?

The implication is, I think, that this will not be a 'public' marriage - the papers will be signed but not filed on the record.  I think this could potentially have a negative impact on Ennis - he has spent his whole life hiding who he is and now he has to 'hide' his marriage.  It's a desperately sad situation and made even more so by the fact that even if the story was set in the present day, they still couldn't marry.  I have a colleague who was married by a minister a few years ago and recently had a civil partnership ceremony - he talks about his 'first wedding' as being 'when we were illegal'.  Although he can say that in jest now, it was a source of frustration and disappointment at the time.  Perhaps if Ennis and Ellery were open about it, it could have an impact on social perceptions but I'm not sure.  It would take an extremely strong and determined couple to do that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 04:55:13 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 02:09:19 pm
How 'bout if I ask reeeeaallly nicely?   :P

I can't say I am surprised that June & Souxi turned out to be cosmic twins .. lol ..

Hahahahaha Milli!! LOL

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 04:59:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 03:27:22 pm
I always liked this one:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/heath.jpg)

Leslie

LOVE this one, Leslie  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 05:07:09 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 27, 2006, 04:27:12 pm
Right, I,m off for the night peeps. C ya all tomorw. Nite twin sister. Be good..you know I am lol. ;) ;D :-* :-* :-*

Nite twinnie! Yeah, yeah I know you're always a good girl!!  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 05:15:20 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 05:07:09 pm
Nite twinnie! Yeah, yeah I know you're always a good girl!!  ;D  :-*

Except... when she's not.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 27, 2006, 05:22:42 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 05:15:20 pm
Except... when she's not.
                       there once was a girl with a little curl right in the middle of her forhead..and when she was good she was good, she was very v e r y good, and when she was bad; she was even better..lol                                well when is the new season of  ::) ::) ::) "Everything you always wanted to know about witches going to start?"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 27, 2006, 05:43:28 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on November 27, 2006, 05:22:42 pm
                       there once was a girl with a little curl right in the middle of her forhead..and when she was good she was good, she was very v e r y good, and when she was bad; she was even better..lol                                well when is the new season of  ::) ::) ::) "Everything you always wanted to know about witches going to start?"

Heh Janice ~ that's cute!

And I don't think I've ever watched that show!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on November 27, 2006, 05:45:58 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 27, 2006, 04:29:57 pm
you are very welcome.  I had a certain trepidation about writing about Wes and Edna's intimacy, but then I remembered there are a lot of older readers here, some of them in long term marriages, who might get a real kick out of the middle aged parental figures reacting to Ennis and Ellery's impending "delmarriage" !!

Right on, Louise.  This old codger did enjoy Brownie and Eddy's intimacy.  Goes to show you that the younguns don't have to worry so much about getting old.  There is still a lot of fun in store. 

And while I'm at it.  There are plenty of May and December pairings in the gay world.  So how about Jeremy and Jeeves finally hitting it off?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 27, 2006, 05:50:21 pm
well Doc... you are going to have to wait for "Dupree's Choice" for the answer to that and other Dupree-related jeremiads and Jeevifications!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 06:56:03 pm
Silence is golden

Ennis doesn’t hear too well
A legbone’s in his ears
And if he gets a hearing aid
his hearing will shift gears

One joy of using this device
is switching off and on
A golden silence will descend
if he's feeling put upon

Just like the cone of silence
in the TV show Get Smart
He can avoid discomforts
and all sorts of verbal farts

And if someone is wittering on
and making him feel bored
its like he has a switch that says
This user is ignored!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 07:22:47 pm
*UPDATE* ..  ;D  Er, Rich, I'll be asking for a raise sometime soon, k?  ;D


delmarriage definitions so far  ..

<< delmarriage: a marriage ceremony held between the celebrants in absence of an officiant and often witnesses. Rings are exchanged in a delmarriage and the vow made between the celebrants is deep and binding. Any sort of marriage or wedding that follows the delmarriage only serves to formalize the delmarriage; this second marriage is optional.

In the fanfic literature, examples of delmarriages are found in Chapter 116 of The Red Stallion ("Another Kind of Love"); Chapter 9 of A Love Born From Steel (the crafts fair); and Human Interest. Jack and Ennis of ALBFS had a second delmarriage 30 years after their first in Chapter 14 (Eternal Knot) of Through The Veil Of Time.

In real life, my husband and I had a delmarriage two months before our church wedding.

Leslie
>>


<<Delmarriage - must be preceded by:

at least 20 years of  :'( :'( :'( :'(

followed by at least five months transition from  ???  ??? to  :) :)

The officiating sheriff must keep  :-X :-X :-X :-X

and the wedding attended by hundreds of ;D ;D ;D ;D

to cheer the happy couple  :-* :-* 
>>

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(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/d88b6fca.jpg)



to bunnificate: to have wild sexual fantasies, including falling in love, with someone you have only seen once or twice, and you don't even realize is homosexual...

a calicop: A police officer who performs his duties with punctiliousness, thoroughness and over-attention to detail, always writing up reports on time, never eating doughnuts, and being prepared even to: a) write out a speeding ticket for his superior officer when the circumstances dictate, and b) rescue calico cats from a tree when so ordered. (For further details, refer to Officer Reynolds)

coyotition: An intimate sexual manouevre indulged in exclusively by horse trainers and deputy sheriffs, wherein one imitates a coyote biting and the other pretends to be a Pillsbury doughboy.

to dupreeciate: The phenomenon of a minor character in a work of fiction increasingly absorbing readers' attention until the character threatens to overtake or equal their interest in the nominal main character(s).

an eastwoody: A physiological reaction to viewing too many videos of Ennis del Mar's favourite bare-chested film star.

to edna – An action combining nurturing, feeding and providing general TLC leading to a state of gratification.

to ejaculate: To spontaneously shout out the name of one's former sexual partner when reaching a moment of climactic sexual passion with the former partner's successor.

fancyful: The satisfying sense of contentment, euphoria and repleteness after a sexual encounter with a loved one.

to fistulate: To undergo a period of enforced sexual abstinence, of at least one week's duration, while at the same time getting married.

to be glenfiddled – To be in a state of arousal inhibited by maudlin drunkenness

hughdity: a view of Hugh Jackman that involves showing off significant assets of his personal charisma, charm,and er, attributes.

hyoid eminence:  The part of a man's throat that sticks out. When the man displays strong hughdity, sagacious authors exhibit an intense desire to nibble it.

to janice: to make one's blood run cold, and in the case of a male who might possibly have an erection, make it disappear immediately.

to jeeve :  To carefully fold one’s suit jacket and trousers and put them safely out of harm's way before getting wet and nasty in bed and sexually ravishing an eager lover with one's designer "equipment" (preferably Armani). A condom with a union-jack imprinted design is obligatory.

to jeeviate ~ to follow all rules of etiquette with impeccable taste and class (British heritage optional).   Jeeviants make great friends and excellent companions, as they are known to treat all persons with complete respect, without necessarily compromising their beliefs and standards.

a jeremiad: Originally, a long-drawn-out lamentation for a deep personal loss. In Laramie, a short moment of nostalgic regret at having lost one's delusions of being heterosexual, followed by excited anticipation of the pleasures of the new world of queerness one is about to enter into.

to june:  to squee like a professionally-trained squeer.

laramied out - state of surfeit having had five chapters of the Saga dished out in quick succession

to leslie: the reader in question brings all of his/her begging and pleading and sometimes even bribery, to  bear, to increase the local "schmoop" factor in a given chapter or plot element to the desired level.

to get nicked - to be made love to by a skillful, sensitive, ravishingly sexy young lover who is focussed entirely upon one's person to the exclusion of anything else.

to rejeevinate ~ to make it known in no uncertain terms that one needs to get laid and that one is up for absolutely anything to do so.

ril-ition: The ability to become suddenly overtaken with intense sexual desire from the touch of a lover or sometimes by the smell of burning pastry (preferably of the Pillsbury variety)

a  rolandism - something that Ennis might have said (on those occasions when Ennis was saying anything at all!)

to sampsonise - to carry out a lightning-fast pickup of a gay sexual virgin, while at the same time promising: "We'll take it slow".

to souxi:  the reader in question takes leslie-ing to a whole other level with a fair amount of weeping, wailing, howling, .. practically anything to get what he/she wants.  Souxi-ers have been known to be downright relentless and they usually get what they want.

to tooeyminate:  To have an uncharacteristically large appetite for muffins.  When observed in their natural habitat, tooeyminators are hardly seen without a box of muffins close at hand.  Infact, some have been known to leave behind a trail of crumbs.

to westify: an act of civil disobedience, performed as a protest

 





Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 09:09:37 pm
Lucise,

I think the definition from Jo is an extension of mine...not they are not two separate definitions.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 27, 2006, 09:15:39 pm
Quote from: scudder on November 27, 2006, 05:45:58 pm

And while I'm at it.  There are plenty of May and December pairings in the gay world.  So how about Jeremy and Jeeves finally hitting it off?

Hmmm....Me thinks that Jeeves and Lance are going to be seeing alot more of eachother.   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 09:29:44 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 27, 2006, 09:09:37 pm
Lucise,

I think the definition from Jo is an extension of mine...not they are not two separate definitions.

Leslie

Ah.. point taken!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 27, 2006, 09:31:59 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 27, 2006, 09:15:39 pm
Hmmm....Me thinks that Jeeves and Lance are going to be seeing alot more of eachother.   ;)

Methinks too!  My guess is: when you've been jeeved, there is no turning back!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on November 27, 2006, 10:36:31 pm
 ;)  ABsolutely-----Louise-----"frisky Edna"----doesn't get much better than that!! ;D

(Course HOT E/El and Dupree doing whatever with whomever not withstanding---that was a good chapter. ) SIGH
Thanks
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 27, 2006, 11:16:44 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 27, 2006, 06:56:03 pm
Silence is golden

Ennis doesn’t hear too well                       oh my dear i love your poems
A legbone’s in his ears
And if he gets a hearing aid                    you need to write one daily so we
his hearing will shift gears
                                                         get to read them all. and walk about
One joy of using this device
is switching off and on
A golden silence will descend                      so gaily                                  janice
if he's feeling put upon

Just like the cone of silence
in the TV show Get Smart
He can avoid discomforts
and all sorts of verbal farts

And if someone is wittering on
and making him feel bored
its like he has a switch that says
This user is ignored!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 28, 2006, 01:59:10 am
Thankyou Janice! I don't know about daily but you never know when inspiration will strike!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 28, 2006, 04:40:55 am
Quote from: scudder on November 27, 2006, 05:45:58 pm
And while I'm at it.  There are plenty of May and December pairings in the gay world.  So how about Jeremy and Jeeves finally hitting it off?

I'll second that!

Judging by Lance, Jeremy doesn't know what he's been missing... ;D

Also, I loved the rings - simple, elegant, and matching...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 28, 2006, 05:37:45 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 27, 2006, 09:15:39 pm
Hmmm....Me thinks that Jeeves and Lance are going to be seeing alot more of eachother.   ;)

I hope so!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 28, 2006, 05:47:47 am
Mornin all. Mornin cosmic twin. ;) :-* :-*
Well it,s peeing down over here. :'( So I need some hot stuff today please to brighten my day. :) Did Ellery get the rings engraved with their names do we know?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 28, 2006, 05:59:23 am
Quote from: souxi on November 28, 2006, 05:47:47 am
Mornin all. Mornin cosmic twin. ;) :-* :-*
Well it,s peeing down over here. :'( So I need some hot stuff today please to brighten my day. :) Did Ellery get the rings engraved with their names do we know?

Heh ~ Mornin sweet twinnie!  ;D  :-*

I don't know.....I'd love that  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 06:08:27 am
no, Ellery did not get the rings engraved.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 28, 2006, 06:09:34 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 27, 2006, 09:31:59 pm
Methinks too!  My guess is: when you've been jeeved, there is no turning back!  ;D

Are you sure? My guess is that Lance will be turning his back to Jeeves as often as possible. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 06:17:33 am
*loud snort*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on November 28, 2006, 08:45:41 am
From Page Six today:
Making It Legal

HEATH Ledger is about to make an honest woman of the mother of his child. The Aussie actor and Michelle Williams were spotted last week picking up a marriage license in Brooklyn, where they bought a townhouse this year, according to Dlisted.com. The couple, who met filming "Brokeback Mountain," have a daughter, Matilda. A rep for Williams didn't respond for comment.

Louise did you have the inside scoop on this?  Heath and Michelle,  Ennis and Ellery. Hmmm.  What did you know and when did you know it? Inquiring minds want to know! 



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 08:46:12 am
Quote from: louisev on November 28, 2006, 06:08:27 am
no, Ellery did not get the rings engraved.

I wish he had but maybe it was a timing issue? I know engraving can take a week or more. Will they eventually get them engraved?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 09:39:42 am
Quote from: gn411 on November 28, 2006, 08:45:41 am
From Page Six today:
Making It Legal

HEATH Ledger is about to make an honest woman of the mother of his child. The Aussie actor and Michelle Williams were spotted last week picking up a marriage license in Brooklyn, where they bought a townhouse this year, according to Dlisted.com. The couple, who met filming "Brokeback Mountain," have a daughter, Matilda. A rep for Williams didn't respond for comment.

Louise did you have the inside scoop on this?  Heath and Michelle,  Ennis and Ellery. Hmmm.  What did you know and when did you know it? Inquiring minds want to know! 


Me?  *eyeroll*  I don't know nothin at all.  *whistles innocently*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 09:40:28 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 08:46:12 am
I wish he had but maybe it was a timing issue? I know engraving can take a week or more. Will they eventually get them engraved?

L

Leslie do you REALLY want me to spoil all of the future plot ideas for all of my future stories..?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 09:48:53 am
Quote from: gn411 on November 28, 2006, 08:45:41 am
From Page Six today:
Making It Legal

HEATH Ledger is about to make an honest woman of the mother of his child. The Aussie actor and Michelle Williams were spotted last week picking up a marriage license in Brooklyn, where they bought a townhouse this year, according to Dlisted.com. The couple, who met filming "Brokeback Mountain," have a daughter, Matilda. A rep for Williams didn't respond for comment.

Louise did you have the inside scoop on this?  Heath and Michelle,  Ennis and Ellery. Hmmm.  What did you know and when did you know it? Inquiring minds want to know! 



A quick Internet scan didn't bring up much more than this. I posted another story over in the Heath, Heath, Heath thread but it basically says the same thing. Maybe the license will show up iin thesmokinggun.com. I'll keep ya'll posted.

Leslie
Resident Heathen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 09:49:57 am
With this, we hit 68,000 views on this thread. We are closing in on the ABCs game, folks.

Keep reading, keep posting.

Leslie
Stats Chick
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 09:50:29 am
Quote from: louisev on November 28, 2006, 09:40:28 am
Leslie do you REALLY want me to spoil all of the future plot ideas for all of my future stories..?

No. Sorry!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 28, 2006, 09:54:51 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 09:48:53 am
A quick Internet scan didn't bring up much more than this. I posted another story over in the Heath, Heath, Heath thread but it basically says the same thing. Maybe the license will show up iin thesmokinggun.com. I'll keep ya'll posted.

Leslie
Resident Heathen

Ha, I was going to call myself resident crazy Heath fan and post a response.  According to Theresa of HLC, it's basically a rumour and has no merit at this stage.  And considering the source, pagesix, the reliability of this is even less.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 10:14:50 am
Quote from: yb on November 28, 2006, 09:54:51 am
Ha, I was going to call myself resident crazy Heath fan and post a response.  According to Theresa of HLC, it's basically a rumour and has no merit at this stage.  And considering the source, pagesix, the reliability of this is even less.


Well, I found about six different news articles, not just page six. I don't think it is so outlandish...why would it be a rumor with "no merit"? They live in Brooklyn and are crazy in love, getting married seems to be the next logical step. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 28, 2006, 10:32:48 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 10:14:50 am
Well, I found about six different news articles, not just page six. I don't think it is so outlandish...why would it be a rumor with "no merit"? They live in Brooklyn and are crazy in love, getting married seems to be the next logical step. LOL

L

I'm all for them getting married, I'll be very happy for them and the adorable Matilda.  I hadn't search the net for further articles about it, I just took it from HLC.  And I heard pagesix is a tabloid notorious for making up story, so if there are other articles reporting this, it is possible that it's true; I sure will be happy if they tie the knot.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 11:24:56 am
This really takes the wind out of the sails of the RPS folks who really really REALLY want to believe Heath and Jake are nuzzling behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 28, 2006, 11:29:14 am
Quote from: louisev on November 28, 2006, 11:24:56 am
This real takes the wind out of the sails of the RPS folks who really really REALLY want to believe Heath and Jake are nuzzling behind the scenes.
(http://static.flickr.com/66/162633741_e42cd7dd28.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 11:43:52 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 28, 2006, 11:42:19 am
Now that sounded hostile.    ???

Oh David...I don't think so....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: bailey on November 28, 2006, 12:13:13 pm
Quote from: Kelpersmek on November 28, 2006, 11:50:58 am
I dont think it's fair to call RPS people stupid. 
They are simply indulging in a fantasy that is fulfilling to them.



Indeed, imagine if none of us were allowed to really, really, really fantasize about what our objects of desire were doing.  And as for my sails: It's three sheets to the wind, baby!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 28, 2006, 01:48:49 pm
You've written plenty of RPS yourself Louise, which I loved and am missing too! So, I hardly believe you'd call them stupid, and where did you say that anyway?  ???


 :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 01:57:28 pm
I didn't, June.  And speaking of which, now that I have a new convert on "Falling in Lust" I am being bugged about starting part III.  So...

(here I go with the promises again)

I promise I will write Part III as soon as the boys get delmarried.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 02:03:52 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 28, 2006, 01:57:28 pm

I promise I will write Part III as soon as the boys get delmarried.

Let me clarify my definition...they have had the delmarriage. That occurred in Chapter 114. "A wedding in which the celebrants exchange rings, without an officiant and often without witnesses. The vow is deep and binding."

The event that is occurring on Sunday is a marriage.

Leslie
wearing her lexicographer hat for a moment...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 28, 2006, 02:05:51 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 28, 2006, 01:57:28 pm
I didn't, June.  And speaking of which, now that I have a new convert on "Falling in Lust" I am being bugged about starting part III.  So...

(here I go with the promises again)

I promise I will write Part III as soon as the boys get delmarried.

Thats in betwen writing about Jeremy and Nick.  ;) ;) Dont worry Louise, we,ll nag I mean remind you, lol, wont we oh cosmic twin? ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 28, 2006, 02:12:40 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 28, 2006, 01:57:28 pm
I didn't, June.  And speaking of which, now that I have a new convert on "Falling in Lust" I am being bugged about starting part III.  So...

(here I go with the promises again)

I promise I will write Part III as soon as the boys get delmarried.

Great Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 28, 2006, 02:13:06 pm
Indeed.  The only thing more anticipated than the Wedding is the current "Honeymoon" of Jeremy and Nick!    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 28, 2006, 02:14:41 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 28, 2006, 02:05:51 pm
Thats in betwen writing about Jeremy and Nick.  ;) ;) Dont worry Louise, we,ll nag I mean remind you, lol, wont we oh cosmic twin? ;) ;) ;D

LOL!

OMG twinnie, poor Louise!

 ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 02:25:06 pm
well, poor Louise is getting some time off, so I think I can handle it. Tomorrow is my last day on my contract.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 02:27:56 pm
Hiya everyone!!

How's it hanging peeps?   8)

Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 28, 2006, 02:13:06 pm
Indeed.  The only thing more anticipated than the Wedding is the current "Honeymoon" of Jeremy and Nick!    ;D

Yes, yes .. looking forward to the reception with the entire Red Stallion gang!

That and I am wondering if Jeevesy and Lancelot will make "it" a permanent arrangement ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 28, 2006, 02:32:01 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 28, 2006, 02:27:56 pm
Hiya everyone!!

How's it hanging peeps?   8)

Yes, yes .. looking forward to the reception with the entire Red Stallion gang!

That and I am wondering if Jeevesy and Lancelot will make "it" a permanent arrangement ..  ;D

Yes I,m looking forward to the reception too. That should be fun. Will anyone be taking pics of the happy couple on their wedding day? Sure hope so.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 28, 2006, 02:41:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 28, 2006, 02:25:06 pm
well, poor Louise is getting some time off, so I think I can handle it. Tomorrow is my last day on my contract.


Well, enjoy your last day!

Now, what to do with all that free time?? ::)  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 02:54:58 pm
7800 posts, folks!

Fabienne gets the prize...LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 28, 2006, 02:58:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 02:54:58 pm
7800 posts, folks!

Fabienne gets the prize...LOL

L

what? what prize? dinner with ennis & ellery?
a vacation in laramie??

thank you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 02:58:58 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 28, 2006, 02:41:36 pm

Well, enjoy your last day!

Now, what to do with all that free time?? ::)  ;)

oh let me see... practice piano I think.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 03:09:57 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 28, 2006, 02:58:33 pm
what? what prize? dinner with ennis & ellery?
a vacation in laramie??

thank you!

How about, your very own license plate? I'll let you pick which one you want:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate14.gif)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate.gif)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate4.gif)

Any of these would be a really nice avatar, I think!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 28, 2006, 03:15:55 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 03:09:57 pm
How about, your very own license plate? I'll let you pick which one you want:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate14.gif)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate.gif)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate4.gif)

Any of these would be a really nice avatar, I think!

L

Oh, leslie, very nice!
thank you!  :-*

of course, i can't choose! Can i have them all?  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 03:18:27 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 28, 2006, 03:15:55 pm
Oh, leslie, very nice!
thank you!  :-*

of course, i can't choose! Can i have them all?  ;D  ;D

Well, Ellery might fight you over the Mr Kyote one, think....LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 28, 2006, 04:23:12 pm
Re: Delmarriage definitions

There appears to be a degree of confusion among you all about the way this word should be defined. Here is my original posting where I launched the new word onto an unsuspecting world:

Quote from: richardg49 on November 27, 2006, 06:46:37 am

  In light of impending events in Laramie, we need a definition prepared for when the day arrives. 
Please submit your suggestions for a definition of the word delmarriage.  The best entry will be added to the Lexicon. The judge (me!) will have final decision on all entries. And, yes, I do accept bribes - send Nick the sailor to me; I need urgently to be sampsonised.

What I had in mind was the actual 'wedding' day that is yet to be given to us by Louise - the private ceremony on Sunday where Wes presides and Edna will be the sole witness. I was trying to combine the words 'del Mar' and 'marriage' [duh!] to describe that day, at least as it applies to Ennis's pov on it I was not thinking of the 'first viewing of the rings' evening that E & E have recently gone through, which appears to be what Leslie has taken it to mean and for which she has written a beautiful and comprehensive definition.

So, what should be done here? I suppose it can be argued that we adopt the Humpty Dumpty position of 'When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.' Then I might get all parochial and pout in reply, "It's my word - I invented it, and I'm not going to let you redefine it." I suggest that the best solution might be to let all comers give it whatever definition they like, referring to whichever day they wish. Additionally, if she wants to, Leslie might choose either to redefine her entry or to leave as it presently is, as she prefers.

Anyway, the challenge still remains open, so keep the entries coming in.



And thanks to the bribee - I've had one visit from Nick, and he says he wants to come again!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 04:28:32 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/158071.html  "Chapter 118:  The Happy Couple(s)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 28, 2006, 04:32:13 pm
I'm feeling a little anxious and down today, so I thought I'd share a little something serene and restful.  I found this picture and thought the colors were pretty.  It also reminded me of our 'boys'.  Y'all can imagine them to be Ennis & Ellery or Jack and Ennis, whichever you prefer.
 :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 28, 2006, 04:40:11 pm
Here's another lovely picture that I like to imagine as E&E's little home in the winter time.  Isn't it cute?  I'm just guessing that Wyoming gets LOTS of snow (having never been to the Northwest.)

If there's ever an instance where a holiday scene is written after a snow storm, feel free to use this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 28, 2006, 04:43:12 pm
Aww NV ~ sorry to hear you're not feeling too good  :(  Hope you feel better soon  :)

Those pics are beautiful ~ that cowboy one would be lovely as an avatar  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 28, 2006, 04:50:42 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 28, 2006, 04:32:13 pm
I'm feeling a little anxious and down today, so I thought I'd share a little something serene and restful.  I found this picture and thought the colors were pretty.  It also reminded me of our 'boys'.  Y'all can imagine them to be Ennis & Ellery or Jack and Ennis, whichever you prefer.
 :-\

The pic with the cowboys is beautiful NV!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 06:02:19 pm
Lovely pics NV!  I love the 2 cowboys riding!


Leslie ~  Can I have a license plate too?  Could you customize one for me?  I'll let you know what to put on it!  :D



Quote from: richardg49 on November 28, 2006, 04:23:12 pm
And thanks to the bribee - I've had one visit from Nick, and he says he wants to come again!

Er, dream on, Rich, dream on ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 28, 2006, 06:04:47 pm
With that last chapter I think it is appropriate to close with this picture of Jeremy finally settling into sleep as dawn arrives.   What a night he has had.

(http://static.flickr.com/32/55070862_4030b5151e.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 28, 2006, 06:20:26 pm
Oh my god...are those the sheets?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 28, 2006, 06:33:35 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 28, 2006, 04:40:11 pm
Here's another lovely picture that I like to imagine as E&E's little home in the winter time.  Isn't it cute?  I'm just guessing that Wyoming gets LOTS of snow (having never been to the Northwest.)

If there's ever an instance where a holiday scene is written after a snow storm, feel free to use this.


Reminds me of the hotel cabin Ennis and Ellery shared on their recent holiday (although it seems a long time ago now!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 28, 2006, 06:36:18 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 28, 2006, 06:02:19 pm

Er, dream on, Rich, dream on ..  ;D

No dreaming, Lucise. My b/f IS called Nick, and, though he is not quite a sailor, he has been on a ferry more than once.   ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 28, 2006, 06:53:27 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 28, 2006, 06:36:18 pm
No dreaming, Lucise. My b/f IS called Nick, and, though he is not quite a sailor, he has been on a ferry more than once.   ;D



Oh God, you two just crack me up!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 07:00:36 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 28, 2006, 06:36:18 pm
No dreaming, Lucise. My b/f IS called Nick, and, though he is not quite a sailor, he has been on a ferry more than once.   ;D


 :laugh: .. Ooooh..that makes perfect sense then ..   :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 07:01:18 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 28, 2006, 06:02:19 pm
Lovely pics NV!  I love the 2 cowboys riding!


Leslie ~  Can I have a license plate too?  Could you customize one for me?  I'll let you know what to put on it!  :D


I would be happy to.

You can also do it yourself. Go to www.maine.gov and select the option for "design a vanity plate." All of the plates I have posted are currently available (or at least they were when I did this a few months ago). If you move to Maine, you could have a

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate3.gif)

or

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate2.gif)

or even

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ShowPlate7.gif)

Oh wait, that last one is on Wayne's car, right? LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 07:03:38 pm
hahahaha .. yeah, Wayne is just the sort of lad who would drive around proudly with that last license plate..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 07:05:32 pm
Milli...

We seriously NEED a photo manip of a nice lookin boy in a car with a license plate that says...

ISUKCOK

Wayne - on the road!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 07:06:25 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 28, 2006, 07:05:32 pm
Milli...

We seriously NEED a photo manip of a nice lookin boy in a car with a license plate that says...

ISUKCOK

Wayne - on the road!

We have the plate...Milli, get to work!

LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 28, 2006, 07:06:54 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 28, 2006, 07:03:38 pm
hahahaha .. yeah, Wayne is just the sort of lad who would drive around proudly with that last license plate..  ;D

LOLLOLLOL!!

Oh God Leslie ~ I'm loving them too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 07:10:24 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 07:06:25 pm
We have the plate...Milli, get to work!

LOL

L

I rather not handle that particular license plate while I am at work ..LOL, so if y'all don't mind ..  ;D  We can take of Wayne's car in the very near future ..  lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 07:19:16 pm
TH made a request in chat for a certain phrase and I said, if you can say it in 7 letters, it's a plate. This is what we came up with. Anyone care to translate?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/BMPlate78.gif)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 07:21:39 pm
Another plate that's up for grabs (Jeremy, maybe?) also suggested by TH...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/BMPlate79.gif)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 28, 2006, 07:36:30 pm
You can make one from any state at this site.

 http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licensemaker.cgi?state=Wyoming&text=4++Ennis&plate=1992&r=1588127017 (http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licensemaker.cgi?state=Wyoming&text=4++Ennis&plate=1992&r=1588127017)

Like this one:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 28, 2006, 07:50:06 pm
For the scrapbook:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 07:58:26 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 07:19:16 pm
TH made a request in chat for a certain phrase and I said, if you can say it in 7 letters, it's a plate. This is what we came up with. Anyone care to translate?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/BMPlate78.gif)
Leslie

Care to give us a clue Leslie?   8)  Does each letter stand for a word or ..?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 08:02:50 pm
My first ever license plate!!   :D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/979499c7.jpg)


 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 08:09:18 pm
I have temporarily relocated the boys to Alberta!  :P :P


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/a89cb7b5.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 28, 2006, 08:10:19 pm
Well, everyone here seems to be gearing up for the big day. Have you all bought your hats?  :)

I really like the idea of Ennis and Ellery making a commitment. I’m not sure if I can picture them doing the whole matching tuxedo thing – especially Ennis. Can’t he stay in his jim-jams?  ;D

I like the personal, private exchange of rings that they did at home.

On another note, poor Jeeves/Howard. Just like the rest of the world, wanting someone to care for and to care for him. I think that he and Dupree will get back on good terms. Whether it will lead to any kind of intimacy or a relationship between them, I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Now that Dupree’s had his sexual awakening with Nick, his outlook may have changed.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 28, 2006, 08:18:36 pm
Quote from: Kazza on November 28, 2006, 08:10:19 pm


On another note, poor Jeeves/Howard. Just like the rest of the world, wanting someone to care for and to care for him. I think that he and Dupree will get back on good terms. Whether it will lead to any kind of intimacy or a relationship between them, I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Now that Dupree’s had his sexual awakening with Nick, his outlook may have changed.



We need to remember that Nick is only in town on leave, so it's inevitable that Dupree is soon going to be unattached and looking for a new partner. Unless, of course, he decides to become a stowaway on Nick's ship.......

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 28, 2006, 08:27:22 pm
or maybe he'll follow him back to Whidbey Island and live on a shack on the beach, pining for his man...

oh wait.  I'm getting ahead of myself.  I do love Whidbey though.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 28, 2006, 08:29:00 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 28, 2006, 08:18:36 pm
We need to remember that Nick is only in town on leave, so it's inevitable that Dupree is soon going to be unattached and looking for a new partner. Unless, of course, he decides to become a stowaway on Nick's ship.......


This is very true - though wasn't Nick saying that he was deciding whether or not to sign up for another stretch.

If he stays in Laramie maybe he and Jeeves can duel for Dupree's affections. Pistols at dawn or something.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 08:31:01 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on November 28, 2006, 08:18:36 pm
We need to remember that Nick is only in town on leave, so it's inevitable that Dupree is soon going to be unattached and looking for a new partner. Unless, of course, he decides to become a stowaway on Nick's ship.......

I like the stowaway idea!   ;D kidding ..
I think they can work something out! .. where there is a will ..  8)


Quote from: Kazza on November 28, 2006, 08:29:00 pm
If he stays in Laramie maybe he and Jeeves can duel for Dupree's affections. Pistols at dawn or something.

LOL ..   as long as Gabe the Gunslinger doesn't show up to give them tips or anything ..  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 28, 2006, 08:35:20 pm
Well,  Nick did say that he doesn't get opportunities at sea to meet guys, so perhaps he can offer Jeremy a long distance romance?

Something tells me that Dupree could stay loyal to him as well.   Kinda like Ennis being faithful to Jack all those years.   Dupree certainly could wait for Nicks next leave.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 08:41:47 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 28, 2006, 08:35:20 pm
Well,  Nick did say that he doesn't get opportunities at sea to meet guys, so perhaps he can offer Jeremy a long distance romance?

Something tells me that Dupree could stay loyal to him as well.   Kinda like Ennis being faithful to Jack all those years.   Dupree certainly could wait for Nicks next leave.

Exactly!  It is possible!! 
And yeah, I agree, Dupree has the makings of a one-man man .. 
Anyway, that's all my speculatin for the day .. I'll let Louise surprise me in "Dupree's Choice" ..  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 28, 2006, 08:46:44 pm
Oh...and another thing ..

Lance may not rock this on his car ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/7e489d30.jpg)


..But he might not object to ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/38f319ac.jpg)


 ;D  Ok..enough plates for tonight ..lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 09:28:15 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 28, 2006, 07:58:26 pm
Care to give us a clue Leslie?   8)  Does each letter stand for a word or ..?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/BMPlate78.gif)

Sound it out, and think of a Billy Joel song...

Two hints, that's all for now!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Beatrice on November 28, 2006, 09:42:36 pm
Ha!

Brokeback Mountain State of Mind!

B
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 09:52:42 pm
Quote from: Beatrice on November 28, 2006, 09:42:36 pm
Ha!

Brokeback Mountain State of Mind!

B

Very good, Beatrice, you win...! LOL

I actually think the original request was "Brokeback is a state of mind" but I am going to give it to you. And for a prize I have....


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/red_sock.gif)

Ellery's red socks! LOL


Hugs,
L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Beatrice on November 28, 2006, 10:06:25 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 09:52:42 pm
Very good, Beatrice, you win...! LOL

I actually think the original request was "Brokeback is a state of mind" but I am going to give it to you. And for a prize I have....


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/red_sock.gif)

Ellery's red socks! LOL


Hugs,
L

Thank you!

Can I have who wears those socks, too?

Never hurts to ask.

B
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 10:15:09 pm
Boys...girls...boys...girls...ahem....

let me toss out a pair of Ellery's blue socks for you to fight over, shall I? LOL

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/sock-row-blue.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 28, 2006, 10:17:18 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 28, 2006, 08:35:20 pm
Well,  Nick did say that he doesn't get opportunities at sea to meet guys, so perhaps he can offer Jeremy a long distance romance?

Something tells me that Dupree could stay loyal to him as well.   Kinda like Ennis being faithful to Jack all those years.   Dupree certainly could wait for Nicks next leave.

Clever observation DH, both seem to be inclinined to keep long distance romance( Dupree already had one with Tatiana)
For now they are happy couple
but…but…what should await them (I have correct) it’s  long distance torture :-\
for those who haven’t experienced such “romantic thing”, we could see it in BBM
I have faith in Louse   :),that they are not going to be second Jack&Ennis
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 28, 2006, 10:34:15 pm
It need not be a 20 year long distance thing like Jack & Ennis.     Jeremy and Nick can see eachother when Nick is on leave.  Then when his hitch is finished in the Navy he can move back home.      He'd be back near his family and a certain handsome Detective.

Can't you just see all of them at the next Cantrell cook out?   

Ennis to Nick:  "So yer married to a law man too now?  Welcome to the club"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 28, 2006, 10:54:45 pm
OMG!

    I hope Wes and Edna think to invite the girls to the Wedding reception!    You know their feelings will be hurt if they find out about it afterwards.   

Maybe we should start putting together a list .......

Wes & Edna
Dupree & Tatiana Janice Jeeves   Nick  :-*
Lauren & Simon
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 02:05:54 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 28, 2006, 10:54:45 pm
OMG!

    I hope Wes and Edna think to invite the girls to the Wedding reception!    You know their feelings will be hurt if they find out about it afterwards.   

Maybe we should start putting together a list .......

Wes & Edna
Dupree & Tatiana Janice Jeeves   Nick  :-*
Lauren & Simon

Don't be leaving out Wayne, now ..  who'll show up in style, in his 1984 Chevy fiero ..  ;D (if he can afford one, that is..)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/3c5396bf.jpg)


My guess:  He'll be all weepy about Ennis getting married and his ever dwindling chances of gettin spanked ..  ;D 8)
Has No-Spleen-Pete forgiven him yet?
Yeah, Pete should be at the reception too! As well as Jeevesy & Lancelot ..
i think the whole gang should be there to party!!!!!!!!!!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 29, 2006, 03:24:03 am
Can you just picture Ennis's face, finding out he has about 20 people crashing his private  ceremony ?  ;D

But I do agree, the red-stallion boys should be there, or at lest throw them a small party, to celebrate their union. It's not every day you get delmarried..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 05:16:24 am
oh my god!  Milli!  You did it!!!!! Wayne's License Plate!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 05:43:33 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 05:16:24 am
oh my god!  Milli!  You did it!!!!! Wayne's License Plate!

Yeah!! And it looks so great! That whole pic is great!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 29, 2006, 06:03:49 am
Quote from: louisev on November 28, 2006, 08:27:22 pm
or maybe he'll follow him back to Whidbey Island and live on a shack on the beach, pining for his man...

oh wait.  I'm getting ahead of myself.  I do love Whidbey though.

Jeremy leaving his job at the Laramie Police Dept.? I thought he just got promoted! Maybe Nick can come home after finishing his duty or whatever at the Navy. It is going to be hard for Jeremy to leave Laramie, that's for sure. Besides, what's he's going to do on Whidbey while Nick is off at the sea? He'll have more fun at the Stallion.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 06:05:23 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 28, 2006, 08:46:44 pm
Oh...and another thing ..

Lance may not rock this on his car ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/7e489d30.jpg)


..But he might not object to ..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/38f319ac.jpg)


 ;D  Ok..enough plates for tonight ..lol

Oh, I love these too!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 06:07:30 am
Quote from: Beatrice on November 28, 2006, 10:06:25 pm
Thank you!

Can I have who wears those socks, too?

Never hurts to ask.

B

 ;D  ;D  ;D

God! I really couldn't figure it out!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:08:31 am
I'm just throwing you folks off the scent.


However, David has a very astute observation going, which others made in my LJ and that is - there are parallels here between Ennis and Dupree, and while things have improved greatly between 1963 and 1984, and while Dupree is quite a bit less inhibited, they are dealing with very similar issues regarding their own internal pressure to conform and their shame about their sexual feelings about men, though having finally "done it" with Nick, he has crossed the Rubicon, as Oscar Wilde would say, and done the deed, which was the single biggest step he had not as yet taken.

where we will go from there - remains to be seen.

Oh yeah and... muahahahahahaha.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:10:16 am
well this is it, folkses.

My last day on my current contract.  Tomorrow I will sleep in, practice piano, go to the post office and finally mail June's copy of "The Erotic Etudes" and work on the finale to "The Red Stallion."  Yay me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 29, 2006, 06:18:15 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:08:31 am
I'm just throwing you folks off the scent.


However, David has a very astute observation going, which others made in my LJ and that is - there are parallels here between Ennis and Dupree, and while things have improved greatly between 1963 and 1984, and while Dupree is quite a bit less inhibited, they are dealing with very similar issues regarding their own internal pressure to conform and their shame about their sexual feelings about men, though having finally "done it" with Nick, he has crossed the Rubicon, as Oscar Wilde would say, and done the deed, which was the single biggest step he had not as yet taken.

where we will go from there - remains to be seen.

Oh yeah and... muahahahahahaha.

There's also the fact that Jeremy has been around gays for sometime, while Ennis's sole experience before meeting Jack, was seeing the corpse of a rancher who was tortured and killed for being gay. That has to make a huge difference when it comes to dealing with your own sexuality. Poor Ennis. Jeremy is lucky.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 06:27:51 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:10:16 am
well this is it, folkses.

My last day on my current contract.  Tomorrow I will sleep in, practice piano, go to the post office and finally mail June's copy of "The Erotic Etudes" and work on the finale to "The Red Stallion."  Yay me.

SQUEEEEE to all of that, Louise!  :-*

Do you definitely know where you are going now?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 06:30:05 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:08:31 am

Oh yeah and... muahahahahahaha.

*frowns*

What's going on, Louise?! What evil things are you up to?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:30:43 am
no, nothing is finalized as yet. I was told it might be end of week before the customer in Switzerland catches up and I get the final interview, but I have been "vouched for," and the situation is on track.

If not I may be looking for a room in oh, say, Belgium or Holland for a few weeks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 29, 2006, 06:58:14 am
Hi Lousie - just wanted to wish you luck on your last day. Are you having any kind of send off after work?

Fingers crossed on the new job.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 29, 2006, 07:07:00 am
Quote from: opinionista on November 29, 2006, 06:18:15 am
There's also the fact that Jeremy has been around gays for sometime, while Ennis's sole experience before meeting Jack, was seeing the corpse of a rancher who was tortured and killed for being gay. That has to make a huge difference when it comes to dealing with your own sexuality. Poor Ennis. Jeremy is lucky.

I agree. Dupree has also had Ennis and Ellery as a role-model for a same same-sex happy couple, and he lives in a relatively tolerant environment (Wes, Edna, the
cops at the station who know about Ellery).

On the other hand, there were gay - related shootings (!), Amos Marigold, the difficulty finding a non - homophobic ADA...

Plus, He had feelings about men before, but didn't own up to then until he was 26. We can't expect it to be smooth sailing ...


PS - good luck with the job situation, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 07:22:57 am
Quote from: opinionista on November 29, 2006, 06:03:49 am
Jeremy leaving his job at the Laramie Police Dept.? I thought he just got promoted! Maybe Nick can come home after finishing his duty or whatever at the Navy. It is going to be hard for Jeremy to leave Laramie, that's for sure. Besides, what's he's going to do on Whidbey while Nick is off at the sea? He'll have more fun at the Stallion.

Because this has been a point of confusion, I feel the need to remind everyone that Ellery, Jeremy, Wes, Joe, et al. all work for the Albany County Sheriff's Department (Laramie is in Albany County; Cheyenne is in Laramie County. Go figure).

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)

And has anyone noticed, now that Dupree seems to be involved in some sort of romance, we've all started calling him Jeremy?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 29, 2006, 07:26:17 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 07:22:57 am

And has anyone noticed, now that Dupree seems to be involved in some sort of romance, we've all started calling him Jeremy?

Leslie

You know, I still find myself calling him Dupree, dunno why. Perhaps it's cause Dupree sounds more exotic to my ear, and I went to school with a Jeremy (he mustn't have left a good impression).   :laugh:

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 07:42:31 am
no, no send-off after work.  We are actually having a Christmas party next Monday night at an Italian restaurant, so that is going to somewhat serve as my "Abschied" - farewell here.

I am finishing up my documentation of my version 2.0 stuff, and will be cleaning up my PC and the desk here, then wandering home sometime later this afternoon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 29, 2006, 08:02:46 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:30:43 am
no, nothing is finalized as yet. I was told it might be end of week before the customer in Switzerland catches up and I get the final interview, but I have been "vouched for," and the situation is on track.

If not I may be looking for a room in oh, say, Belgium or Holland for a few weeks!

Well, just let me know ok?

more chocolates await you over here!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 08:11:09 am
in the case that I get the job offer in Switzerland, all I will have to do in December is move house and clean up my apartment, so if any of you people within driving distance have any time between now and say, Christmas - June, Fabienne... I may be able to make a trip without much time constraint!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 29, 2006, 08:18:59 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 08:11:09 am
in the case that I get the job offer in Switzerland, all I will have to do in December is move house and clean up my apartment, so if any of you people within driving distance have any time between now and say, Christmas - June, Fabienne... I may be able to make a trip without much time constraint!

i'll make time! that's for sure.

fingers crossed for the job in Switzerland.  :)

you will be writing the final chapter tomorrow Louise? The delmarriage? In that case i'm putting a bottle of champagne in my fridge, to celebrate,  :) and keep my hankies ready. :'(  I'm sure i'll need them.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 08:19:57 am
As far as there being 20 uninvited guests crashing the reception, Ennis would have a fit!   

If Wes and Edna are throwing this shindig, then you can be sure the invite list will be small and very select.    Not to mention probably hosted at Wes & Ednas, not at the Red Stallion!

Now where were we with that list?.......

Wes & Edna
Dupree & Nick <-both in dress uniform  (sigh)
Lauren & Simon
Alma Junior & Jenny
 


And the list of people that the Sheriff's Dept has NOT to be let on the property:

Wayne & Pete
Gabe
Bruce Eagleton
Alma Senior <not that she'd come, unless it was to object!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 08:21:29 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 29, 2006, 08:18:59 am

you will be writing the final chapter tomorrow Louise? The delmarriage?



Stop saying final!      Waaaa!     :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 29, 2006, 08:24:30 am
A Hugh dance interlude!

:D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hugh_jackman-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 08:38:05 am
I wonder what Dupree is thinking about this morning?  ::)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 08:39:42 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 08:11:09 am
in the case that I get the job offer in Switzerland, all I will have to do in December is move house and clean up my apartment, so if any of you people within driving distance have any time between now and say, Christmas - June, Fabienne... I may be able to make a trip without much time constraint!

Maybe we can meet up in Belgium after all?  :)  Wish December wasnt such a busy month though!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 08:41:54 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 08:21:29 am

Stop saying final!      Waaaa!     :'(

Yeah!  :(

*cries along with David*   :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 08:42:20 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 08:21:29 am

Stop saying final!      Waaaa!     :'(

no. No. Stop crying, I can't stand it!

I expect the story will come to its graceful and triumphant conclusion this weekend.  Remember we still have

1) The rest of Saturday
2) Sunday - including the ceremony
3) and whatever I decide to do after that!

and I am taking my time... because I can.

But David please... no crying!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 08:43:21 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 08:19:57 am

And the list of people that the Sheriff's Dept has NOT to be let on the property:

Wayne & Pete
Gabe
Bruce Eagleton
Alma Senior <not that she'd come, unless it was to object!


Bunny won't be invited either.

But why keep out Pete with no spleen?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 08:44:31 am
Quote from: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 08:39:42 am
Maybe we can meet up in Belgium after all?  :)  Wish December wasnt such a busy month though!

yes I believe we can!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 29, 2006, 08:58:32 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 08:42:20 am
no. No. Stop crying, I can't stand it!

I expect the story will come to its graceful and triumphant conclusion this weekend.  Remember we still have

1) The rest of Saturday
2) Sunday - including the ceremony
3) and whatever I decide to do after that!

and I am taking my time... because I can.

But David please... no crying!

Whatever you decide to do after that? hmmmmmm, honeymoon?  ;) ;) ;)  What other dastardly plans have you got Louise? You did your evil laugh again. That can only mean one thing....your up to mischief again. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 29, 2006, 09:03:09 am
Helloooooooo oh cosmic twinnie. How are you today? :) :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 09:03:47 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 08:43:21 am
Bunny won't be invited either.

But why keep out Pete with no spleen?

Knowing how private Ennis and Ellery are, I'd think that the invite list would be very select and limited.   Pretty much only those who are close to the boys.    Not that Lauren & Simon are that close, but they have been extremely helpful in the whole process.  And I do think that E&E like them.   They've been to the house after all.

Granted that Nick is a stranger to E&E, he is special to Jeremy and would certainly be welcome to come along as his date.  

I think it would be difficult to get the girls there from Riverton.   But imagine the big teary smile on Ennis' face if he arrived to see them there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 29, 2006, 09:04:11 am
This is the wedding cake Edna has baked. It's coloured blue for the boys and phallic shaped!

(http://www.arrakeen.ch/usacan/063%20%20wedding%20cake.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: gn411 on November 29, 2006, 09:04:31 am
About who is going to be at the wedding...

I know that I am going to be there.  But I having a hard time deciding on a gift.

New Sheets ?

A blender ?

Saddle Soap?  

Whadya think?  
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 29, 2006, 09:16:11 am
Any chance of a wedding invitation Milli? Including all our names of course!

When Ennis and Ellery arrive we can all yell out "Surprise!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 09:18:06 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 09:27:14 am
I just had a horrible thought:

What if I got to the final chapter and someone started crying?  And then I'd have to write another chapter.  And then... someone else started crying?

This could get unwieldy!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 09:28:54 am
This is the way I see it: the wedding, on Oct 28 1984 is going to be totally private, attended only by Wes (officiating) and Edna. In a few weeks, when Ennis's "legbone" problem has resolved, Wes and Edna will be hosting a small reception at the Brown Horse Ranch. Suggested guests, so far, include

Ennis and Ellery (guests of honor, of course, duh)
Wes and Edna
Alma Junior and Francine
Lauren and Simon
Jeremy (will he opt to bring a guest? Nick?)

from the station, I would think that Joe and his wife would be invited
Carol? Reynolds?

from the Red Stallion crowd
Jeeves? Pete with no spleen? Sally and her new husband?

Since Wes is hosting the party, would he want to invite Mel (without Bunny!)? Wes and Mel seem to be good friends and Mel likes Ellery. From the ranch, what about Jess, who works with Ennis?

And Ennis does have a sister and brother...although I doubt he'd want to come out to them at a wedding reception.

Virtual guests...all of us!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 09:32:06 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 09:27:14 am
I just had a horrible thought:

What if I got to the final chapter and someone started crying?  And then I'd have to write another chapter.  And then... someone else started crying?

This could get unwieldy!

    Hmmmm..    ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 09:32:48 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 09:32:06 am
    Hmmmm..    ::)

You cry first, David, then I'll cry on the next one...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 09:37:45 am
I'd imagine that Wes & Edna would show Ellery the guest list first.  Just to make sure nobody is invited that would rock the boat.

I can't see Ellery approving Jeeves attending.   He still has suspicions about him and his motives.    I don't think Ennis is fond of him either.     And his presence would certainly make Jeremy, er, I mean Dupree uncomfortable.     We wouldn't want him to come face to face with Nick at such an occasion would we?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 09:44:54 am
Can't you just see Jeeves walking up to Nick at the reception?

Jeeves: "So this is who I lost out to?"

Nick: "Where is your date Jeeves?  Oh! is it a School day?"

Jeeves: "Is it going to be like that?  Would you like to settle this with fisticuffs?"

<Jeeves undoes a cuff link and starts to roll up a sleeve>

Meanwhile, Ennis and Dupree are at the bar getting some beers to bring back to the table and see the confrontation.

Ennis: "Son of a Bitch!  Dupree you had better grab your man.  I'll grab the limey before they make a scene and Ellery comes out shooting!"

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 29, 2006, 09:46:16 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 09:32:48 am
You cry first, David, then I'll cry on the next one...

L

Then I,ll start, and I,ll poke June in the eye to make her cry, then she can kick Millie to make her cry.In the end we,ll all be crying so much, Louise wont be able to stop!! Good plan that Leslie. I like it. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 09:47:20 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 09:44:54 am
Can't you just see Jeeves walking up to Nick at the reception?

Jeeves: "So this is who I lost out to?"

Nick: "Where is your date Jeeves?  Oh! is it a School day?"

Jeeves: "Is it going to be like that?  Would you like to settle this with fisticuffs?"

<Jeeves undoes a cuff link and starts to roll up a sleeve>

Meanwhile, Ennis and Dupree are at the bar getting some beers to bring back to the table and see the confrontation.

Ennis: "Son of a Bitch!  Dupree you had better grab your man.  I'll grab the limey before they make a scene and Ellery comes out shooting!"



hey.  Hey.  I like that!  Can I use it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 09:51:47 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 09:47:20 am
hey.  Hey.  I like that!  Can I use it?

I'd be honoured if you incorporated any of my ramblings in your story.     :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 29, 2006, 09:57:42 am
Ok Louise, if you do use any of Davids ramblings, a request please. If that bitch Bunny escapes and shows up, can I please punch her in the eye? Then June can kick her..ok with you oh great cosmic twinnie? ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 10:00:08 am
Quote from: souxi on November 29, 2006, 09:57:42 am
Ok Louise, if you do use any of Davids ramblings, a request please. If that bitch Bunny escapes and shows up, can I please punch her in the eye? Then June can kick her..ok with you oh great cosmic twinnie? ;) ;) ;D

You guys really have it in for Bunny. She doesn't bother me so much...it is cousin Julia who makes me see red!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 29, 2006, 10:00:41 am
How about this?  If that old witch escapes and shows up, this is what she,ll get. ;) ;) ;) ;D

(http://bestsmileys.com/violent/18.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 10:09:59 am
er... Souxi.

Bunny's infatuation with Ennis was supposed to reveal her underlying pathetic obsession with a man she could not have, and offer an opportunity for people to see that pathetic obsessiveness may be a symptom of a serious social problem, i.e. alcoholism.

It wasn't for you to fantasize openly about punching her lights out!  After all - can anyone really BLAME Bunny for wanting to ride a cowboy?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 29, 2006, 10:13:26 am
No fair enough, you cant blame her for that I suppose, but that still doesnt excuse her for trying to get her wizzened old claws into his body. Poor Ennis. And btw, I,ve still got the bomb. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 29, 2006, 10:14:58 am
I hope Jeeves will be invited to the party, but I can't figure out how yet.  Louise, please find a way.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 11:00:44 am
Betty!  I can tell Jeeves is one of your personal favorites.

I will figure something out.  The reception will be in a separate story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 29, 2006, 11:06:59 am
Quote from: yb on November 29, 2006, 10:14:58 am
I hope Jeeves will be invited to the party, but I can't figure out how yet.  Louise, please find a way.


I second that! I like him too.

I think that he and Ellery might actually get on well once they stop circling each other. Also Ennis and Jeeves have the common ground of having lost their long term love, and the attempt to move on. They've never discussed that have they?

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 11:07:44 am
Bunny on the loose?   Oh wouldn't that be funny!

She's in Hospital still right?     I suppose she could over hear that Ennis is getting married and escapes!     Then there could be a commotion out front of Wes' house when Joe Toomey and the rest of the Police escort her away kicking and screaming!   "He's mine!  he's supposed to be mine, the big queer!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 11:19:09 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 11:07:44 am
Bunny on the loose?   Oh wouldn't that be funny!

She's in Hospital still right?     I suppose she could over hear that Ennis is getting married and escapes!     Then there could be a commotion out front of Wes' house when Joe Toomey and the rest of the Police escort her away kicking and screaming!   "He's mine!  he's supposed to be mine, the big queer!"

"I'm enough of a woman to turn him straight!"

LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 29, 2006, 11:23:28 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 11:00:44 am
Betty!  I can tell Jeeves is one of your personal favorites.

I will figure something out.  The reception will be in a separate story.

It's quite obvious, isn't it?  He has become a very likable character to me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 29, 2006, 11:26:31 am
Quote from: Kazza on November 29, 2006, 11:06:59 am
I second that! I like him too.

I think that he and Ellery might actually get on well once they stop circling each other. Also Ennis and Jeeves have the common ground of having lost their long term love, and the attempt to move on. They've never discussed that have they?

Karen

I totally agree with you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 12:04:18 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 11:19:09 am
"I'm enough of a woman to turn him straight!"

LOL

ok you two are scaring me now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 29, 2006, 12:14:00 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 08:39:42 am
Maybe we can meet up in Belgium after all?  :)  Wish December wasnt such a busy month though!

Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 08:44:31 am
yes I believe we can!

*does happy dance*

 :)   :)   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 12:35:42 pm
I got home from work early (being my last day) and I am writing chp 119.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 29, 2006, 12:46:46 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 12:35:42 pm
I got home from work early (being my last day) and I am writing chp 119.

Whoo-hoo!

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 01:00:59 pm
Bonjour everyone!!   8)


Can I share my 2 cents about the wedding reception?  (I will anyway .. that was a rhetorical question ..lol)..

I think Jeevesy should be invited too!  Granted, it might be ackward if Dupree and Nick are there, but they'll have to deal with that situation sooner or later anyway .. so I vote Jeeves gets an invite!  If the ADA gets invited and Jeeves gets invited and Dupree brings Nick to the reception, things will surely get alittle hairy! lol..

About Pete ~ I think he should be invited !  Come on, the man has no spleen, be gentle with him!  ;D  No seriously, I think E&E like him.  They might not be too keen on Wayne attending, I know, what with the ISUKCOK license plate and all .. lol.. Still, I won't object if they decide to invite him anyway..

And I think Junior and Francie definitely need to be there!  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 01:11:13 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/158401.html  "Chapter 119:  Family Ties"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 03:09:49 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 01:11:13 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/158401.html  "Chapter 119:  Family Ties"

Ennis' "legbone" condition is really going to complicate things, isn't it?   ;D
Still, I'm looking forward to the girls' visit!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 03:33:17 pm
While we wait for Louise to post the next chapter ..  :P

How about we visit two very intimate moments in Ennis' life?   8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Dbls/3fafbb73.jpg)



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/31c01430-1.jpg)


..And here ya go ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/14P15.jpg)

Just in case you find yourself drooling ..  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 29, 2006, 03:41:23 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 29, 2006, 03:33:17 pm
While we wait for Louise to post the next chapter ..  :P

How about we visit two very intimate moments in Ennis' life?   8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Dbls/3fafbb73.jpg)



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/31c01430-1.jpg)


..And here ya go ...

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/14P15.jpg)

Just in case you find yourself drooling ..  ;D ;D



(http://bestsmileys.com/fainting/1.gif)

Night peeps, c ya tomorow. Nite twin. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 03:48:43 pm
Save the paper towels.   Jeremy Dupree will need them as he is dreaming about Nick again!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 03:56:06 pm
man, David, that little towel is going to be drenched in no time!

And since I dont have to go ANYWHERE tomorrow I am considering writing chapter 120 tonight.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 04:00:38 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 03:56:06 pm
And since I dont have to go ANYWHERE tomorrow I am considering writing chapter 120 tonight.


YEE HAA!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 04:20:43 pm
FYI:    We are running neck and neck with the ABC game folks.

We just hit 69001 Views!   (they are at 69371)

                  7917 replies

             &    528 pages.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 04:28:10 pm
If we all hit refresh, refresh, refresh, we could pass the ABCs people in no time...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 04:32:23 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 04:28:10 pm
If we all hit refresh, refresh, refresh, we could pass the ABCs people in no time...

L
               :laugh: ROFLOL!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 04:36:41 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 03:48:43 pm
Save the paper towels.   Jeremy Dupree will need them as he is dreaming about Nick again!   ;D

Bloody hell!  David !!!. .we really need to talk about your Naughty Boy Collection!!    :o ;D
Where do I subscribe?   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 29, 2006, 04:38:21 pm
1.  David, love your 'dreaming' pic.   :-*

2.  Also, I'm in need of some happy!Ennis pics.  Anyone got any where he's smiling or laughing?   :D

3.  Saw this pic below and the long black hair reminded me of Sergio.  Was a pic ever decided on for him?   :-\



Reading the LS chapters is truly the biggest bright spot of my day.  Thanx!   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 04:38:33 pm

*refresh*   :P

Don't look at me, Leslie asked us to do it!  lol..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 04:41:26 pm
*refresh*

Hold on - what am I doing?  I'm supposed to be writing !!!

The chapter's title is "Saturday Night's All Right for Fighting"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 04:47:40 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 29, 2006, 04:38:21 pm
1.  David, love your 'dreaming' pic.   :-*

2.  Also, I'm in need of some happy!Ennis pics.  Anyone got any where he's smiling or laughing?   :D

You asked for them.   :)

(http://static.flickr.com/59/202295235_ef675d8719.jpg?v=0)

(http://static.flickr.com/51/166461846_f756b1dc2d.jpg?v=0)

(http://static.flickr.com/55/174903040_24f13e82c6.jpg?v=0)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 04:55:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 29, 2006, 04:36:41 pm
Bloody hell!  David !!!. .we really need to talk about your Naughty Boy Collection!!    :o ;D
Where do I subscribe?   8)

Over at Flickr.com Darlin.    There is a guy there that has 2,746 of the hottest, mouth drooling, pants moistening photos you have ever seen!

First, you must register at http://www.flickr.com/   (http://www.flickr.com/) (It is free)

Then Go to this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyle_jensen/sets/  (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyle_jensen/sets/)

Need another Teaser?   

(http://static.flickr.com/122/309522108_3b8523b492.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 05:03:08 pm
Not convinced yet?

This one should knock a few people off their chairs!


Scroll down......


Hold yer breath....



(http://static.flickr.com/103/309518905_0421101a2f.jpg)


Too much?      I think the Mods here will turn the other Cheek.   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 05:07:57 pm
WHOA..!!  ;D

David..David..You are a Mod, you such be setting a better example .. LOL.. 
You are corrupting poor, innocent me ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 05:10:29 pm
Phew ..okay...Back to Ennis ..

NV, in addition to the pix that David posted ... some more Happy!Ennis..


The ultimate happy Ennis ..
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/b3eb318a.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/5633ff06.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/5f59fc59.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 29, 2006, 05:14:29 pm
Hasanyone got a screenshot of Ennis, when he was washing dishes in th stream and looked up.  I absolutely love his face in that shot.  So young, and fresh and hopefull
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 05:15:11 pm
It makes me sad to think of that whole movie and Ennis smiles what, five times?

Sigh....

Let's hope he is a little happier now.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on November 29, 2006, 05:18:40 pm
What about these ones?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/BBM20a.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/bbm0233.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 05:19:28 pm
Mmm,  don't have the dishwarshing pic.   But I am partial to this one.

"Anticipation"

(http://static.flickr.com/53/140656293_3f60471655.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 05:20:40 pm
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 29, 2006, 05:14:29 pm
Hasanyone got a screenshot of Ennis, when he was washing dishes in th stream and looked up.  I absolutely love his face in that shot.  So young, and fresh and hopefull

Yes, agreed!!  One of my faves as well...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/78cfc766.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on November 29, 2006, 05:21:06 pm
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 29, 2006, 05:14:29 pm
Hasanyone got a screenshot of Ennis, when he was washing dishes in th stream and looked up.  I absolutely love his face in that shot.  So young, and fresh and hopefull

YES!
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/katecaton/bbm0138-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 29, 2006, 05:21:54 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 29, 2006, 05:20:40 pm
Yes, agreed!!  One of my faves as well...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/78cfc766.jpg)

Lucise I adore you
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: katecaton on November 29, 2006, 05:23:14 pm
Oh dear, mine looks a bit small now! This is my fave Ennis moment in the movie.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 05:23:55 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 29, 2006, 05:15:11 pm
It makes me sad to think of that whole movie and Ennis smiles what, five times?

Sigh....

Let's hope he is a little happier now.

L

He is Leslie ..  :D.. well, aside from the legbone thing at the moment .. I'd like to think he is!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 05:25:01 pm
Or maybe this picture of Ennis at work......

....no wonder Bunny went running over to see him!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 29, 2006, 05:26:37 pm
Was Ennis ever that buff?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 29, 2006, 05:27:01 pm
David, I had some very carefully thought out deep and meaningful analysis of the most recent chapter to discuss with you all, and then I saw that 2nd picture, and well....

*wanders off aimlessly*

...where am I...

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 05:31:32 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/158531.html  "Saturday Night's All Right for Fighting"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 05:46:17 pm
Ever notice how all the fighting happens at the bar when Ennis isn't there?    LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 05:52:30 pm
that's because... when Ennis is there..


nobody dares.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 06:10:59 pm
Wayne is such a drama king!  I love him anyway!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:29:48 pm
good old Wayne.... you KNEW Wayne was going to show up before this story ended didn't you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 06:32:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:29:48 pm
good old Wayne.... you KNEW Wayne was going to show up before this story ended didn't you?

No kidding!   :D
I was LOL when Ellery hung up on him...

It is just too bad these boys are all fictional .. *gasp*  I'd so love to meet them all!!   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:59:06 pm
you think these guys are FICTIONAL?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 29, 2006, 07:01:05 pm
I love these 2 chapters.  Poor Dupree, so confused and vulnerable!  I'm so looking forward to Dupree's story, how he'll sort out his feelings and make his choice.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 29, 2006, 07:13:52 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 06:59:06 pm
you think these guys are FICTIONAL?


It was just a rumour I heard ..  ;D..
Ok I'll... :-X
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 08:21:41 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 29, 2006, 10:00:41 am
How about this?  If that old witch escapes and shows up, this is what she,ll get. ;) ;) ;) ;D

(http://bestsmileys.com/violent/18.gif)


Playing catch up here!  ;D

OMFG twinnie ~ what the hell is this?!?  SCARY!!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 08:24:02 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 05:03:08 pm
Not convinced yet?

This one should knock a few people off their chairs!


Scroll down......


Hold yer breath....



(http://static.flickr.com/103/309518905_0421101a2f.jpg)


Too much?      I think the Mods here will turn the other Cheek.   ::)


WOW......
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 29, 2006, 08:25:36 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 29, 2006, 05:20:40 pm
Yes, agreed!!  One of my faves as well...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/BBM/78cfc766.jpg)

I'll third that! *sigh*  Sweetl
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 29, 2006, 10:30:40 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 04:55:36 pm
Over at Flickr.com Darlin.    There is a guy there that has 2,746 of the hottest, mouth drooling, pants moistening photos you have ever seen!

First, you must register at http://www.flickr.com/   (http://www.flickr.com/) (It is free)

Then Go to this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyle_jensen/sets/  (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyle_jensen/sets/)


Oh, David!  Thank you muchly!  If this doesn't distract me from RL issues, nothing will!  I went to register and discovered all I needed was my Yahoo ID to login, so that was easy.  Yay!  Can't wait to start perusing the pics - there's just so many of them!  I did notice that his Belami Boy collection is way smaller than mine.  Hee-hee.   :laugh:   8)


Thanx to all for the happy!Ennis pics.  They helped, too.

*Hugs*   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 29, 2006, 11:17:33 pm
You are very welcome NavyVet.     I still keep looking at that pic and trying to decide if that is Nick licking Dupree or Vice Versa!     He he he
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 12:03:53 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 11:17:33 pm
You are very welcome NavyVet.     I still keep looking at that pic and trying to decide if that is Nick licking Dupree or Vice Versa!     He he he

whoever is doing what is beyond the point imo.. lol.. there is some major action going on there!  bloody heck!    ;D


Something else for the lexicon .. I even used your words in it David!   8)

davidity -> The ability to maintain a larger than normal Naughty Boy Collection of the hottest, most droolworthy, most pants-moistening photos of manhunks you have ever seen.

LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 30, 2006, 12:14:10 am
Hardly!     That award goes to our very own Sheriff Roland!    He has way more pics than I do.   Just see all his threads on Cowboys, Sailors, affectionate men etc etc.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 30, 2006, 12:27:49 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 12:03:53 am

davidity -> The ability to maintain a larger than normal Naughty Boy Collection of the hottest, most droolworthy, most pants-moistening photos of manhunks you have ever seen.


Very good, Lucise, but shouldn't you also give definitions for 'droolworthy', 'pants-moistening' and 'manhunk' while you're at it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 12:52:51 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 30, 2006, 12:27:49 am
Very good, Lucise, but shouldn't you also give definitions for 'droolworthy', 'pants-moistening' and 'manhunk' while you're at it?

As General Jack D. Ripper stated in the film Dr Strangelove: "I can no longer sit back and allow davidity infiltration, davidity indoctrination, davidity subversion and the international davidity conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 01:02:31 am
Poor Dupree. Fancy having your most private, personal and emotionally significant experience exposed to the full glare of the hungry wolf pack in the Red Stallion complete with a running commentary from Lauren and snide, intrusive remarks from Jeeves. I hope the burgeoning relationship between him and Nick does not suffer as a result.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 30, 2006, 01:35:23 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 03:48:43 pm
Save the paper towels.   Jeremy Dupree will need them as he is dreaming about Nick again!   ;D

See, I told long distance romance is not exactly “licking sweet honey”, well, for a while and then long, long waiting for  a ship to sail back intto  its harbor. ;)
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 05:03:08 pm



(http://static.flickr.com/103/309518905_0421101a2f.jpg)



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 01:37:49 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 30, 2006, 12:14:10 am
Hardly!     That award goes to our very own Sheriff Roland!    He has way more pics than I do.   Just see all his threads on Cowboys, Sailors, affectionate men etc etc.

Agreed that the Sheriff has an infinite Naughty Manhunk Collection but since we already have a "rolandism" in the lexicon, I went for the next best thing ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 01:39:25 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 30, 2006, 12:27:49 am
Very good, Lucise, but shouldn't you also give definitions for 'droolworthy', 'pants-moistening' and 'manhunk' while you're at it?

I would if I didn't think you could come up with better definitions for them Richard!  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 30, 2006, 01:51:55 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 29, 2006, 05:03:08 pm
Not convinced yet?

This one should knock a few people off their chairs!


Scroll down......


Hold yer breath....



(http://static.flickr.com/103/309518905_0421101a2f.jpg)


Too much?      I think the Mods here will turn the other Cheek.   ::)

David:  I must protest very loudly at you daring to have the effrontery to publish this photo here. It is bad enough that you should sneak into my home when I'm entertaining a guest, but it is even worse that you should photograph me while I'm eating my dessert!  Shame on you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 30, 2006, 02:09:47 am
Quote from: louisev on November 29, 2006, 01:11:13 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/158401.html  "Chapter 119:  Family Ties"

What a lovely chapter Louise!
They are getting pretty comfy together ( whole family to be)
Oh Alma, when she comes to know, money for  college comes from her ex-husband’s husband she is disowning the girls right away for sure.

“So let’s put off our ceremony, put our rings back on, kiss for a while, an have the girls come down for a couple days.”
I’m asking myself: " Can I like this considerate, attentive man even more?" He melted me completely with this sentence. Lucky, lucky Ennis!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 02:26:21 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 30, 2006, 01:51:55 am
David:  I must protest very loudly at you daring to have the effrontery to publish this photo here. It is bad enough that you should sneak into my home when I'm entertaining a guest, but it is even worse that you should photograph me while I'm eating my dessert!  Shame on you.


You have my sympathy Richard. What a bummer!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 02:36:21 am
Dupree got laid

Well waddya know Dupree got laid
At last the boy has got it made
Let’s hope he can at least lie back
enjoy some nookie in the sack
So Sampsonised he can’t see straight
the girls are gonna have to wait!

The other boys will sniff around
Another target they have found
And then he’ll have to deal with Jeeves
who now will have his own pet peeve
With Jeremy finally gotten Nicked
Jeeves has found himself outdicked!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 30, 2006, 02:55:39 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 01:02:31 am
Poor Dupree. Fancy having your most private, personal and emotionally significant experience exposed to the full glare of the hungry wolf pack in the Red Stallion complete with a running commentary from Lauren and snide, intrusive remarks from Jeeves. I hope the burgeoning relationship between him and Nick does not suffer as a result.


I agree Jo. What got into Jeeves anyway? i thought he was Jeremy's friend  >:(
It's understandable that he's jealous, but still...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 03:22:54 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 30, 2006, 01:51:55 am
David:  I must protest very loudly at you daring to have the effrontery to publish this photo here. It is bad enough that you should sneak into my home when I'm entertaining a guest, but it is even worse that you should photograph me while I'm eating my dessert!  Shame on you.


You crack me up Richard! lol..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 03:29:08 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 02:36:21 am
Dupree got laid

...

The other boys will sniff around
Another target they have found
And then he’ll have to deal with Jeeves
who now will have his own a pet peeve
With Jeremy finally gotten Nicked
Jeeves has found himself outdicked!




O Poetess .. what does it mean to outdick?   ;D ;D


Also, peeps, look forward to 2 new pictures of Nick and The Dupree tomorrow ..   :P 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 04:34:29 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 03:29:08 am

O Poetess .. what does it mean to outdick?   ;D ;D


Unless Richard our punster laureate can come with something how about the following?

To outdick - to boldly go where no man, Jeeves in particular, has been before.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 30, 2006, 04:42:37 am
SPOILER


Great chapters !

I really agree about Jeeves. He was always such a Gentlemen. And could be dry and acidic, but classy, and never crude.
Now he is being just plain mean. Almost vulgar. It's not  like him, and he really should get his act together ! He  is supposed to be a gentleman, and Jeremy's friend.   >:(

Also, I never expected Jeremy to have a meltdown, but now that I think of it, it sounds just right (once the high of his first time with Nick wears off). Poor Jeremy... ADA Paula might get her date after all...



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on November 30, 2006, 05:23:48 am
Quote from: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 04:34:29 am
Unless Richard our punster laureate can come with something how about the following?

To outdick - to boldly go where no man, Jeeves in particular, has been before.
My two rather lame suggestions:

a) To outdick:  To make a public announcement of Richard's hitherto closeted homosexuality, so that he now has nowhere to go to hide his queerness.

b) To outdick: To suddenly and unexpectedly whip out one's Armani-designed equipment for public display and approval.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 30, 2006, 05:27:51 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 30, 2006, 12:14:10 am
Hardly!     That award goes to our very own Sheriff Roland!    He has way more pics than I do.   Just see all his threads on Cowboys, Sailors, affectionate men etc etc.

To paraphrase kudzudaddy, who said he borrowed it from Mark Twain

Aww shucks! (kicks heel in the dirt...)

Sheriff Roland
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on November 30, 2006, 05:42:41 am
Quote from: richardg49 on November 30, 2006, 05:23:48 am
My two rather lame suggestions:

a) To outdick:  To make a public announcement of Richard's hitherto closeted homosexuality, so that he now has nowhere to go to hide his queerness.

b) To outdick: To suddenly and unexpectedly whip out one's Armani-designed equipment for public display and approval.

how about the following:

to outdick! Ta put ta good use one's (Armani-desined) equipment that has othewise become redundent, or shunned, or underused (at least until the need asserts itself once again).
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 30, 2006, 06:29:27 am
SPOILER!!








Quote from: belbbmfan on November 30, 2006, 02:55:39 am

I agree Jo. What got into Jeeves anyway? i thought he was Jeremy's friend  >:(
It's understandable that he's jealous, but still...



IMO Jeeves is stung and jealous, and feeling old and rejected by Jeremy. As we all recall, Jeeves was all excited about the idea of devirginizing Dupree, and Dupree fell asleep buck naked in front of him.  Then the next day, a hot young sailor comes in, and Dupree, after just one beer, was out the door with the sailor in tow to come back the next day with a sign across his face saying I just got laid! Imagine how Jeeves felt. I'm sure he now thinks Jeremy didn't want to have sex with him because he is over 50 years old, and not because he is a man. That's the reason why he's with Lance, to assure himself he still can get it on and twice in a row!

Jeeves might be a gentleman, but under that desguise, lies a human being. So guys, don't be so hard on poor Jeeves. He isn't that bad.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 30, 2006, 06:38:51 am
Quote from: opinionista on November 30, 2006, 06:29:27 am
IMO Jeeves is stung and jealous, and feeling old and rejected by Jeremy. As we all recall, Jeeves was all excited about the idea of devirginizing Dupree, and Dupree fell asleep buck naked in front of him.  Then the next day, a hot young sailor comes in, and Dupree, after just one beer, was out the door with the sailor in tow to come back the next day with a sign across his face saying I just got laid! Imagine how Jeeves felt. I'm sure he now thinks Jeremy didn't want to have sex with him because he is over 50 years old, and not because he is a man. That's the reason why he's with Lance, to assure himself he still can get it on and twice in a row!

Jeeves might be a gentleman, but under that desguise, lies a human being. So guys, don't be so hard on poor Jeeves. He isn't that bad.


Oh my god, I thought I am the only one who sympathize with Jeeves, I totally agree with every word you said.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on November 30, 2006, 06:47:52 am
Oh fer god's sake:

SAY SPOILER WHEN YOU TALK PLOT!!!!!

Please???

TY lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 07:00:58 am
SPOILER








Quote from: yb on November 30, 2006, 06:38:51 am
Oh my god, I thought I am the only one who sympathize with Jeeves, I totally agree with every word you said.  :)


I empathise with Jeeve's sense of rejection and his resulting jealousy. I suppose people sometimes say bitchy things when they feel that way that they might not otherwise say. But it was a nasty jibe designed to make Dupree feel used and grubby.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on November 30, 2006, 07:22:41 am
SPOILER



Quote from: opinionista on November 30, 2006, 06:29:27 am
SPOILER!!


Jeeves might be a gentleman, but under that desguise, lies a human being. So guys, don't be so hard on poor Jeeves. He isn't that bad.


I still LOVE Jeeves, and  would still be very happy to see him and Jeremy hook up  :). He is a GREAT character.

IMHO, he really wasn't on his best behaviour in this chapter, but, hey, we all slip up from time to time....


Um... also, it seems no one feels very sympathetic towards  Wayne, even though he did get slapped for no good reason  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 30, 2006, 07:30:29 am
Hello everyone

I've just caught up on 20+ pages of posts after my long weekend away, and its been great fun what with all the wonderful developments with Jeremy and Nick (gorgeous and hot!), and Jeremy's chat with Ennis (fantastic, love Ennis, telling him like it is!), and more wedding ceremony talk...I'm as excited as everyone else about this, and cant wait to read that chapter...tissues are definitely going to be required I think!  


SPOILERS for latest chapter....




I was really really annoyed at Jeeves for how he spoke to Jeremy. I know he's jealous, I know he's hurt, but talking like that to Jeremy will not make things any better, in fact I think he will regret what he said when he realises how much he hurt Jeremy with those words...poor Jeremy, he's wound up enough of what's going on, he certainly doesnt need Jeeves turning the whole thing around and making it sound dirty and crude when in fact it was the complete opposite.  Whilst I agree with RonitR about the words that Jeeves used being vulgar and totally out of order.  How does he expect Jeremy to want to ever talk to him again after saying such things?  However, I certainly dont think having a date with Paula will help - please dont do that to us, or him Louise!!!!  

All he needs is to see Nick, talk to him about it, and let Nick reassure him in that special, soft and tender way of his.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 30, 2006, 07:32:15 am
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    Well,  Jeremy, er, Dupree should have apologized when he knocked over poor Wayne.  Then perhaps Wayne wouldn't have said something snotty and gotten slapped.   Then again, Wayne does have a way with puting his foot in his mouth.   He is always puting something in his mouth right?   ::)

    What disappoints me is Laurens behavoir.  He didn't strike me as the the bar gossip type.   I would have thought he'd grab Dupree aside and whisper his questions about Nick to Dupree.     Not that Dupree would have answered mind you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 30, 2006, 07:33:15 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 30, 2006, 07:22:41 am
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I still LOVE Jeeves, and  would still be very happy to see him and Jeremy hook up  :). He is a GREAT character.

IMHO, he really wasn't on his best behaviour in this chapter, but, hey, we all slip up from time to time....


Um... also, it seems no one feels very sympathetic towards  Wayne, even though he did get slapped for no good reason  ;D

Oh no!!!! No way should Jeremy and Jeeves get together!!!  No, absolutely not.  Jeeves may be an interesting character, but he's not one of my favourites..he annoys the bejesus out of me to be honest, with his jolly hockey sticks attitude.  

Maybe in time, and when he's apologised good and proper to Jeremy, that they can be friends, but I certainly dont want anything else to go on between them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on November 30, 2006, 07:36:46 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 30, 2006, 07:32:15 am
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    Well,  Jeremy, er, Dupree should have apologized when he knocked over poor Wayne.  Then perhaps Wayne wouldn't have said something snotty and gotten slapped.   Then again, Wayne does have a way with puting his foot in his mouth.   He is always puting something in his mouth right?   ::)

    What disappoints me is Laurens behavoir.  He didn't strike me as the the bar gossip type.   I would have thought he'd grab Dupree aside and whisper his questions about Nick to Dupree.     Not that Dupree would have answered mind you!

I agree that Jeremy should have apologised to Wayne for hitting him, that was totally out of order but also totally out of character...but then Jeremy had just been verbally harrassed by Jeeves and he was being given the third degree from Lauren too....talking of Lauren, I agree, he really surprised me, I thought he would have realised by Jeremy's reaction that he didnt want to talk about it.  But then Lauren ran out after Jeremy so maybe he'd realised he had gone too far...but still, very disappointed in him.  Why cant they all just leave it, couldnt they sense that Jeremy didnt want to talk about it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 30, 2006, 07:53:46 am
It is a fairly small town and the Stallion is the only real social hot spot for the boys.   I suppose that Duprees "Date" was the hot topic of conversation by all !


Lauren may be a sweet guy, but you can bet he ran home after work that night to tell Simon about Dupree being picked up by Nick Sampson.


I sure hope that Jeremy doesn't go running to go call Paula. 


 He should be running to Nicks arms!


(http://static.flickr.com/117/309512875_cc23317d10_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 07:54:20 am
Quote from: christie wood on November 30, 2006, 07:36:46 am
I agree that Jeremy should have apologised to Wayne for hitting him, that was totally out of order but also totally out of character...but then Jeremy had just been verbally harrassed by Jeeves and he was being given the third degree from Lauren too....talking of Lauren, I agree, he really surprised me, I thought he would have realised by Jeremy's reaction that he didnt want to talk about it.  But then Lauren ran out after Jeremy so maybe he'd realised he had gone too far...but still, very disappointed in him.  Why cant they all just leave it, couldnt they sense that Jeremy didnt want to talk about it?

Chrisite hun ther,e men...enough said really eh? ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 07:58:10 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 30, 2006, 07:53:46 am
It is a fairly small town and the Stallion is the only real social hot spot for the boys.   I suppose that Duprees "Date" was the hot topic of conversation by all !


Lauren may be a sweet guy, but you can bet he ran home after work that night to tell Simon about Dupree being picked up by Nick Sampson.


I sure hope that Jeremy doesn't go running to go call Paula. 


 He should be running to Nicks arms!


(http://static.flickr.com/117/309512875_cc23317d10_m.jpg)

I agree with you there David. That will only confuse the poor guy even more. He,s still on a high. He,s just slept with a guy for the first time in his life. He doesnt need some 6ft stick insect to complicate things even more. Hot Nick is what he needs. ;) Love that pic btw. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 08:11:02 am
Milli ~ I really LOVE your banner! *jealous*

 :-*

What happened to the gorgeous Shane??  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 30, 2006, 08:59:02 am
Quote from: RonitR on November 30, 2006, 07:22:41 am
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Um... also, it seems no one feels very sympathetic towards  Wayne, even though he did get slapped for no good reason  ;D

yeah, how come nobody is feeling sorry for Wayne?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 30, 2006, 09:02:37 am
well here I am, off work for the first day and I feel like a dishrag, I've slept in most of the day so far, and will have to venture out since I'm low on food... and don't want to!!!  Gah.  So I am sucking on my last cough drop and trying to get the energy to sneak out for emergency supplies.

Meh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 30, 2006, 09:09:44 am
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 09:02:37 am
well here I am, off work for the first day and I feel like a dishrag, I've slept in most of the day so far, and will have to venture out since I'm low on food... and don't want to!!!  Gah.  So I am sucking on my last cough drop and trying to get the energy to sneak out for emergency supplies.

Meh.

Indeed!   you need your energy to type!     ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 09:10:41 am
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 08:59:02 am
yeah, how come nobody is feeling sorry for Wayne?

Because Wayne has a the hide of a rhinocerous, is generally in the wrong place at the wrong time, doesn't seem as sweetly vulnerable as Dupree and, and ...... OK we're a bunch of insensitive ratbags indulging rampant favouritism and selective compassion but what are ya gonna do?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 30, 2006, 09:26:46 am
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 08:59:02 am
yeah, how come nobody is feeling sorry for Wayne?

I did feel sorry for him, but the scene was a bit comical to me at the same time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 12:02:03 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 08:59:02 am
yeah, how come nobody is feeling sorry for Wayne?


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I do, I do!

I can understand how Wayne would be totally upset.  Getting run into was accidental, but getting slapped was out of left field and completely unexpected.  Though I also feel sorry for Jeremy.  After all the verbal abuse, Jeeves just sent him over the edge.  Jeremy was not in his right mind when he slapped Wayne and when he calms down, he'll realize what he did and surely feel bad.  (worse?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 12:02:13 pm
Well I started printing off Taking Chances today. I,m going to have to get some more ink..I,ve still got 200 pages to go!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on November 30, 2006, 12:03:43 pm
Hope you're feeling better soon Louise.

Wayne is a little sod, but, let's be honest, he has given us some laughs. And he doesn't mince his words, calls it as he sees it.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 12:08:06 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 30, 2006, 12:02:13 pm
Well I started printing off Taking Chances today. I,m going to have to get some more ink..I,ve still got 200 pages to go!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

OMG!!  :o

I should start doing all of that too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 12:09:27 pm
Quote from: yb on November 30, 2006, 09:26:46 am
I did feel sorry for him, but the scene was a bit comical to me at the same time.

That's how I felt too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 30, 2006, 12:16:30 pm
I feel better with some Xusal in me.

Here is chapter 121:  http://louisev.livejournal.com/158860.html  "Chapter 121:  Facing Yourself"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 30, 2006, 12:30:18 pm
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Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 12:16:30 pm
I feel better with some Xusal in me.

Here is chapter 121:  http://louisev.livejournal.com/158860.html  "Chapter 121:  Facing Yourself"











Why would Jeremy face a demotion over Wayne's complaint? He wasn't on duty when he slapped him, was he? Anyway, Ellery got him to calm down, but I wish he was more understanding towards Dupree. Ellery knows what is he going through. Poor Jeremy. On the other hand he's right, people do gossip too much in the bar, but that's how it is, unfortunately. Hopefully, Nick helps him go through this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 12:36:09 pm
I am totally bummed.   :(

Yesterday was not a good day.  *sigh*

I came home from my doctor's appointment where I learned that I'm being put back on a new SSRI medication after managing to stay off one for 3 years.  I went to check on updates for one of the other BBM WIP fanfics that I'm avidly following, only to find out it is gone, poof, no more.
Now I'll never know how the story turns out and I really hate when that happens.  I wish I had the self-discipline to wait and only read fics that are completed, so as not to get so invested in something that ends up abandoned and has no ending.

I live vicariously through the fictional characters of TV, movies, and fanfiction as an escape from RL.

Sorry for venting my frustration here, but ... I didn't know where else to go.
At times, there are things that go on in fandoms (especially BBM) that to me are just ... depressing.   :'(

I think I need some more happy pics and maybe some happy fics to cheer me up.  (hint-hint)
Looking forward to the wedding chapters of LS, that's fer sure.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 12:41:10 pm
8000 posts! Yeah!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 12:41:41 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 12:08:06 pm
OMG!!  :o

I should start doing all of that too!

It,s kind of strange though, in a way, starting reading it all over again from the begining, and seeing just how far they have both come now. Hope their ceremony doesnt get postponed for too long, though tbh I dont really understand why it has to be. Poor Jeremy, is really going through it isnt he? At least he has Ennis to talk too about it though. He understands exactly what he,s going through. He didnt meant to slap Wayne, even though he deserves it sometimes for being such an arsehole. He threw a hissy fit like a big girl lol. What a wimp. As Ennis would say, he needs to grow some backbone..but knowing Wayne thats doubtfull.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 12:43:51 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 12:36:09 pm
I am totally bummed.   :(

Yesterday was not a good day.  *sigh*

I came home from my doctor's appointment where I learned that I'm being put back on a new SSRI medication after managing to stay off one for 3 years.  I went to check on updates for one of the other BBM WIP fanfics that I'm avidly following, only to find out it is gone, poof, no more.
Now I'll never know how the story turns out and I really hate when that happens.  I wish I had the self-discipline to wait and only read fics that are completed, so as not to get so invested in something that ends up abandoned and has no ending.

I live vicariously through the fictional characters of TV, movies, and fanfiction as an escape from RL.

Sorry for venting my frustration here, but ... I didn't know where else to go.
At times, there are things that go on in fandoms (especially BBM) that to me are just ... depressing.   :'(

I think I need some more happy pics and maybe some happy fics to cheer me up.  (hint-hint)
Looking forward to the wedding chapters of LS, that's fer sure.



What fic is that NV? Yes I hate it when that happens too. Like FON by Jenna. Just got into it and...woosh, gone. You cant help feeling just a teeny bit anoyed really can you?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 12:46:07 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 30, 2006, 12:41:41 pm
It,s kind of strange though, in a way, starting reading it all over again from the begining, and seeing just how far they have both come now. Hope their ceremony doesnt get postponed for too long, though tbh I dont really understand why it has to be. Poor Jeremy, is really going through it isnt he? At least he has Ennis to talk too about it though. He understands exactly what he,s going through. He didnt meant to slap Wayne, even though he deserves it sometimes for being such an arsehole. He threw a hissy fit like a big girl lol. What a wimp. As Ennis would say, he needs to grow some backbone..but knowing Wayne thats doubtfull.  ::) ::)

I am also not understanding why the ceremony needs to be postponed. It was just going to be simple private one at Ellery's house. Unless Ennis doesn't want to be wearing a wedding ring when his daughters come to visit. Still, he is going to need to own up to the fact that he and Ellery are married, sooner or later.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 12:48:58 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 30, 2006, 12:43:51 pm
What fic is that NV? Yes I hate it when that happens too. Like FON by Jenna. Just got into it and...woosh, gone. You cant help feeling just a teeny bit anoyed really can you?

Yes, that's the one!  It was such a good story - I was totally addicted - and I don't understand what happened.   ???   :o

This is so sad ... and scary.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 30, 2006, 12:49:03 pm
I just want the whining to stop...Jeremy?...drop 'em and get one with it...it ain't the end of the world.  Jeeves?...zip it up, both ends please...for mercy's sake...LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 12:50:10 pm

Morning all!!  8)


Love the Wayne/Jeeves/Dupree discussion ..

- I didn't really feel sorry for Wayne because he makes me laugh so hard!  I know Dupree should not have ploughed into him and knocked him on his ass, but the whole thing was hilarious.  And like Jo said, he has the hide of a rhinoceros ..lol, see how quickly he got over it when he heard about Jeremy winning the poll!  He was all smiles again and talking about cockrings!  That is why I love Wayne ..  ;D

- About Jeeves, he was jealous and petty about Dupree's encounter with Nick.  He was feeling insecure and was suffering from a bad case of "bruised ego-titis" ..lol..  He is not infallible, so I understand to some extent, where he is coming from.  If he keeps up making remarks like that though, he'll most certainly lose Dupree's friendship.


Gotta go check out the new chapter.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 12:50:15 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 12:46:07 pm
I am also not understand why the ceremony needs to be postponed. It was just going to be simple private one at Ellery's house. Unless Ennis doesn't want to be wearing a wedding ring when his daughters come to visit. Still, he is going to need to own up to the fact that he and Ellery are married, sooner or later.

Leslie

Exactly Leslie he is, because, if you remember after Ben and Sallys wedding he told Ellery that he was sick to death of being ashamed. So he ought to be proud to wear it in front of them. Lucky Ennis, dont we wish eh? *SIGH* ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 12:51:04 pm
Quote from: Scott6373 on November 30, 2006, 12:49:03 pm
I just want the whining to stop...Jeremy?...drop 'em and get one with it...it ain't the end of the world.  Jeeves?...zip it up, both ends please...for mercy's sake...LOL

Boy, Scott, you are in a real sympathetic mood this morning. LOL

Folks, we are only 56 views behind the ABC people. We could pass them in the next hour or two...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 12:52:10 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 12:48:58 pm
Yes, that's the one!  It was such a good story - I was totally addicted - and I don't understand what happened.   ???   :o

This is so sad ... and scary.

Did you manage to buy the zine of SN? I did and boy am I glad I did. I think I might have screamed if I hadnt got it and then it got withdrawn from sale before I,d had a chance to buy it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 01:29:32 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 12:16:30 pm
I feel better with some Xusal in me.

Here is chapter 121:  http://louisev.livejournal.com/158860.html  "Chapter 121:  Facing Yourself"

This is how Dupree feels...


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/7575.jpg)


Understandable that he feels like he is under a microscope! 
I just hope Wayne refrains from making more comments that'd end in him getting his ass whooped.. again! lol..

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 01:36:19 pm
Nah, I don't see the point of saving or re-reading an incompleted work that ain't never gonna have no ending.
But that's just me.   :-\

Gonna go check on the status of some other WIPs... I just get this vague uneasy feeling of impending doom.

Does anyone know where one can go to find out what happened?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 01:38:13 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 01:36:19 pm
Nah, I don't see the point of saving or re-reading an incompleted work that ain't never gonna have no ending.
But that's just me.   :-\

Gonna go check on the status of some other WIPs... I just get this vague uneasy feeling of impending doom.

Does anyone know where one can go to find out what happened?


We have a Somebody New thread here on the fanfic board, NV. That has as much information as anyone knows.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 01:40:15 pm
Another thing ..

Yesterday I promised to deliver some Nick and Dupree photo manips, er, photographs .. so ...


CK is fast becoming the brand of 'undergarments' for the Laramie Boys ..  :P 8)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/cd12d956.jpg)


And, I vote Dupree takes a day off to cool off and collect his thoughts .. or just hang out at the pool ..  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/08edb6c6.jpg)



Who else thinks N&D need a day off away from the bar in a nice, cozy BnB?  8)
*raises hand*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 30, 2006, 01:42:30 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 01:40:15 pm

Who else thinks N&D need a day off away from the bar in a nice, cozy BnB?  8)
*raises hand*

*raises hand*

but i'd recommend a week!  ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 01:44:32 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 30, 2006, 01:42:30 pm
*raises hand*

but i'd recommend a week!  ::)

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I recomend a week too....in some place with a jacuzzi. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 30, 2006, 01:45:17 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 30, 2006, 12:02:13 pm
Well I started printing off Taking Chances today. I,m going to have to get some more ink..I,ve still got 200 pages to go!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

I have the whole saga printed up to chapter 116 of the Red Stallion. Stock up on the ink souxi!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 01:47:33 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 01:36:19 pm
Nah, I don't see the point of saving or re-reading an incompleted work that ain't never gonna have no ending.
But that's just me.   :-\

Gonna go check on the status of some other WIPs... I just get this vague uneasy feeling of impending doom.

Does anyone know where one can go to find out what happened?



I didnt bother saving any of FON but I did get the SN zine. Apparantly you cant buy that now. Your right about some of the others too NV. Like Caithlin,s dreaming. We waited ages and ages for an update and then nothing again for ages. I get bored of checking after a while and dont bother. Ennis and Ellery are enough for me thanks.  :) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 01:50:20 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 30, 2006, 01:45:17 pm
I have the whole saga printed up to chapter 116 of the Red Stallion. Stock up on the ink souxi!  :)

How many pages have you printed then, in TOTAL? I,m gonna need a zillion ink cartridges at this rate!! :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 01:52:24 pm
69,700 views! Wowza!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on November 30, 2006, 02:00:04 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 30, 2006, 01:50:20 pm
How many pages have you printed then, in TOTAL? I,m gonna need a zillion ink cartridges at this rate!! :o :o :o :o

1368 pages and counting....

absolutely amazing  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 02:05:36 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 30, 2006, 02:00:04 pm
1368 pages and counting....

absolutely amazing  :)

Holy Christ!! :o :o In that case I might just wait, however long it takes, for the zine. I,ts going to cost me an absolute fortune in ink it really is.  :( :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 02:07:10 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 30, 2006, 02:05:36 pm
Holy Christ!! :o :o In that case I might just wait, however long it takes, for the zine. I,ts going to cost me an absolute fortune in ink it really is.  :( :(

She needs a wagon to lug them around...LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 02:47:35 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on November 30, 2006, 02:00:04 pm
1368 pages and counting....

absolutely amazing  :)

When I printed the first 3 LS books, I just took the word doc to a Print Shop and they did it for me, complete with binding for only $55 .. so convenient .. lol.  That is what I intend to do for the last 3 books .. drop off the word doc, pick up the book the same day ..  it's great!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 02:51:35 pm
Hey June ..

I figured you'd dig the LW banner!  ;)  What can I say, it is an obsession ..  :P
Shane is taking a brief break .. Helena is holding down the fort at the moment ..   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 02:52:05 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 01:40:15 pm
Another thing ..

Yesterday I promised to deliver some Nick and Dupree photo manips, er, photographs .. so ...


CK is fast becoming the brand of 'undergarments' for the Laramie Boys ..  :P 8)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/cd12d956.jpg)


And, I vote Dupree takes a day off to cool off and collect his thoughts .. or just hang out at the pool ..  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/08edb6c6.jpg)



Who else thinks N&D need a day off away from the bar in a nice, cozy BnB?  8)
*raises hand*

WOW Milli *wipes brow* I need a minute here to compose myself........whew!!  ;D

*raises both hands and jumps up and down too!*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 02:53:56 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 02:47:35 pm
When I printed the first 3 LS books, I just took the word doc to a Print Shop and they did it for me, complete with binding for only $55 .. so convenient .. lol.  That is what I intend to do for the last 3 books .. drop off the word doc, pick up the book the same day ..  it's great!  ;D

Smart girl Milli!!!  :D

I think I'll do that too!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 02:56:00 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 02:51:35 pm
Hey June ..

I figured you'd dig the LW banner!  ;)  What can I say, it is an obsession ..  :P
Shane is taking a brief break .. Helena is holding down the fort at the moment ..   8)

It totally rocks, Milli!

I love looking at it! I miss your Shane avatar though..... :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 02:59:11 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 02:56:00 pm
It totally rocks, Milli!

I love looking at it! I miss your Shane avatar though..... :'(

Are you crying June? 
Damn .. okay..okay ..
I'll pust Shane back for a day .. just for you .. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 03:02:26 pm
Some Hughdity .. just because we can ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/8efe1b55-1.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/8efe1b55-2.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/8efe1b55.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 03:03:15 pm
Can someone fill me in on LW, Shane and all this other stuff? Sorry if I sound completely clueless, but I am...LOL


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 03:43:11 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 03:03:15 pm
Can someone fill me in on LW, Shane and all this other stuff? Sorry if I sound completely clueless, but I am...LOL

Leslie

LOL..Leslie, The L Word is a TV show I am obsessed with ..  :)  Shane happens to be one of my fave ladies on there .. as well as June's ..
That's the summary of it all ..lol... I started a thread for it in Anything Goes, you can check it out ..  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 03:52:30 pm
Right. Thanks, Milli!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 30, 2006, 03:59:28 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 02:52:05 pm
WOW Milli *wipes brow* I need a minute here to compose myself........whew!!  ;D

*raises both hands and jumps up and down too!*
  maybe widen the neck or shorten it a bit lucise....just an idea
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 04:07:45 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on November 30, 2006, 03:59:28 pm
  maybe widen the neck or shorten it a bit lucise....just an idea

You lost me here J!  Whose neck are we talking about..  :P


This thread is officially the most viewed thread of the entire forum!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 04:09:16 pm
We've done it, folks. The Ennis and Ellery thread is the MOST VIEWED thread here at Bettermost. Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/views.jpg)

Whoever would have thought this back in June when we started on this merry little adventure?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on November 30, 2006, 04:12:48 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 02:52:05 pm
WOW Milli *wipes brow* I need a minute here to compose myself........whew!!  ;D

*raises both hands and jumps up and down too!*

Yes me too June, specially the second one. Please dont shoot me lo, but those drawers the first one has on? I think they are HORRIBLE. I,ve always though  that, and now I,ve said it lol They just look dreadful. No drawers would be better lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Right oh cosmic twinnie, I,m off for the nite. Be good, I know you will. c ya tomorow. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 30, 2006, 04:15:49 pm
ABC's can easily retake the lead with hot pictures of Hugh every round!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 04:18:09 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 04:09:16 pm

Whoever would have thought this back in June when we started on this merry little adventure?

Leslie

Here, here ..

Mini-champagne bottles for all ..  ;D ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/196.jpg)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/196.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 04:19:05 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 30, 2006, 04:12:48 pm
Yes me too June, specially the second one. Please dont shoot me lo, but those drawers the first one has on? I think they are HORRIBLE. I,ve always though  that, and now I,ve said it lol They just look dreadful. No drawers would be better lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D


My dear Souxi, I cannot post his drawers-less pic here, so you'll just have to live with the horrible underwear ..k?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 04:31:02 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 04:15:49 pm
ABC's can easily retake the lead with hot pictures of Hugh every round!

Nah, they don't play that way. We can keep the lead with hot Hugh pictures, though....

Here's Ellery in his "little dress," looking at Ennis and hoping that damn legbone heals itself lickety-split!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/thumb.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 04:42:31 pm
Whew!
Okay, I've finished re-organizing my favorites folders and links.  I have a special folder for the links to all the BBM WIPs that I am currently tracking/following.  In addition to 'The LS', I have ELEVEN more fics on that list.

Is that an average number?  I'm curious as to what other people do, as I just find the whole phenomenon so interesting.
I also started a new folder for links to fics that have been recommended in various places, but that I haven't started yet.  I'm saving those for when they are finished!  And there's probably many more that I don't even know about.

I'm exhausted.  Getting my house ready.  My cousin and his wife from The Netherlands are arriving tomorrow!
Something to look forward to.
(in addition to more chapters of The Red Stallion!!!)   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 04:44:12 pm
NavyVet,

I had a comment from someone the other day saying he was reading 41 fics! I have no clue how someone would keep up with that!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 04:48:26 pm
41 ?? !!  :o

I am reading 4 fics now and I don't even have time to keep up .. my other hobbies are neglected already as is ..lol.  Never enough time!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 05:11:42 pm
Quote from: souxi on November 30, 2006, 04:12:48 pm
Right oh cosmic twinnie, I,m off for the nite. Be good, I know you will. c ya tomorow. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Nite nite twinnie  ;

 :-*  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 30, 2006, 05:13:20 pm
Another chapter is being cooked up as we speak, so yes, there will be another, probably in the next hour.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 05:19:57 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 04:18:09 pm
Here, here ..

Mini-champagne bottles for all ..  ;D ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/196.jpg)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/196.jpg)

Just for you Milli!!

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 05:22:42 pm

OMG June!!!   :laugh:


Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 05:13:20 pm
Another chapter is being cooked up as we speak, so eyes, there will be another, probably in the next hour.

I would squee too but June has that covered already.. lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on November 30, 2006, 05:27:10 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 02:59:11 pm
Are you crying June? 
Damn .. okay..okay ..
I'll pust Shane back for a day .. just for you .. ;D

I wanted to squeee again!  ;D But was afraid folks would running screaming from the thread!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 05:43:11 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 01:36:19 pm
I just get this vague uneasy feeling of impending doom.

I feel like that most days navyvet!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 30, 2006, 05:55:26 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159208.html  "Chapter 122:  Duty"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 05:59:25 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 04:44:12 pm
NavyVet,

I had a comment from someone the other day saying he was reading 41 fics! I have no clue how someone would keep up with that!

L

WOW!!!   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o   :o   :o   :o

Now that I think about it, though, if I add up ALL of my fandoms and the ongoing stories I follow at multifandom archives, I might actually have between 20 and 30.  (Let's see, there's NCIS, CSI, CSI:Miami, CSI:NY, The Sentinel, QAF, Lost, WAT... etc, etc.)
Yep, never enough time.  I'm gonna run to the store and hopefully a new chapter of LS will be posted when I get back.
Toodles!
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 06:00:55 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 05:55:26 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159208.html  "Chapter 122:  Duty"

Oh, yay!
There it is!
I better hurry. :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 06:04:04 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 04:07:45 pm
You lost me here J!  Whose neck are we talking about..  :P


This thread is officially the most viewed thread of the entire forum!!  :D

Do we get a trophy or something?

(http://www.stressballsuk.com/images/trophy-80327.jpg)

Well where else can people go for all the delights of the Laramie Saga PLUS puns, jokes, poems, new words, learned essays, whinges, regular UK weather reports, stunning artwork, photos of hot semi-naked men and naked bottoms, Hugh, controversy, expert commentary, psychological analysis, more Hugh, miscellaneous stuff,  philosophical musings, raw lust, Rolandisms, Heath, Heath, Heath, medical and pharmaceutical information, low class smut for high class people - and now Wedding of the Year?

We should start charging a monthly subscription!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 30, 2006, 06:12:49 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 04:31:02 pm
Nah, they don't play that way. We can keep the lead with hot Hugh pictures, though....

Here's Ellery in his "little dress," looking at Ennis and hoping that damn legbone heals itself lickety-split!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/thumb.jpg)

L

I  always thought about somebody else as Ellery but after this picture Leslie I’m converted  ;)Hugh, Hugh, Hugh! :-*
made my day,
I feel like last two weeks I’m heading to heart attack ...That was what I just needed, to stop for a while relax, read some new chapters about the boys from Red Stalion ( and its owner of course) and see some dreamy images of them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on November 30, 2006, 06:17:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 05:55:26 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159208.html  "Chapter 122:  Duty"

hurray and another one!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 06:37:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 05:55:26 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159208.html  "Chapter 122:  Duty"


SPOILER








Wayne shook his head. “Nah, just tired all the time, an he got shingles... got ta put cream on his face an neck an back, an he gets infections real easy. I don’t know how much time he got. But it was sure nice ta suck some cock for a change.”

Dupree spit his beer half back in the glass. “Wayne, what the fuck!”

Wayne grinned. “Ya ought ta try it, Jeremy. Real erotic.”


 :laugh:
I love Wayne .. lol

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 06:41:27 pm

Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 05:55:26 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159208.html  "Chapter 122:  Duty"

SPOILER..




“This is the good part, Ennis, pay attention, where he snarls at the...” Ellery pressed the mute button and the sound came on, and the raspy whisper of Dirty Harry suddenly became audible.

“Tell me, punk, do you feel lucky?” 


Just the excuse I needed to post another Clint pic ..
Dirty Harry himself ..  8)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Clint_Eastwood/3cd9c4ce.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 30, 2006, 06:46:38 pm
Oh yes, Clint. I do feel lucky.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 07:02:50 pm
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER






The wedding is still on! Hooray, hooray...I never understood the reason for postponing it (although this chapter made it a bit clearer).

I wonder how Junior and Francine will react to the rings since it is obvious they are on their respective fingers for good...

Oh, I am such a romantic! LOL

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 07:07:20 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 07:02:50 pm
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER







Oh, I am such a romantic! LOL

Leslie


Don't tell me you are getting as bad as Edna Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 07:20:14 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 07:07:20 pm
Don't tell me you are getting as bad as Edna Leslie!

I have always been as bad as Edna.

And as Ellery says, maybe that "holding hands and looking into the sunset" isn't such a bad way to view the world. Lots of truth in that statement.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on November 30, 2006, 07:24:23 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 07:07:20 pm
Don't tell me you are getting as bad as Edna Leslie!

And of course, I would say that Leslie has always been as GOOD as Edna.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 07:25:24 pm
Quote from: pastorfred on November 30, 2006, 07:24:23 pm
And of course, I would say that Leslie has always been as GOOD as Edna.


I stand corrected Fred.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 07:26:32 pm
Okay folks...

Not to sound competitive or anything, but we are now in the lead with most viewed thread at Bettermost. We passed the ABCs thread earlier today and NOW we are closing in on 70,000 views....this would be the most viewed thread EVER at Bettermost. We could probably do it within the next hour or so if you all start reading and refreshing, reading and refreshing...maybe posting a picture of Hugh here and there or Heath...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 07:27:26 pm
Doing my part...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/kate_e_leopold_2.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 07:28:30 pm
Another favorite...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/200614_166503_4_006.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 07:39:16 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 07:26:32 pm
Okay folks...

Not to sound competitive or anything, but we are now in the lead with most viewed thread at Bettermost. We passed the ABCs thread earlier today and NOW we are closing in on 70,000 views....this would be the most viewed thread EVER at Bettermost. We could probably do it within the next hour or so if you all start reading and refreshing, reading and refreshing...maybe posting a picture of Hugh here and there or Heath...

L

 ;D .. No, you are not competitive at all Leslie, not at all..


But how about I post a fanpic .. 
A point in time when Ennis' woes began ..
I call it "Through a boy's eyes.."


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/9f4b56a3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Scott6373 on November 30, 2006, 07:40:58 pm
MOG Lucise I love that
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 07:47:51 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 07:39:16 pm
;D .. No, you are not competitive at all Leslie, not at all..


But how about I post a fanpic .. 
A point in time when Ennis' woes began ..
I call it "Through a boy's eyes.."


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/9f4b56a3.jpg)

God that picture is so symbolic of the whole tragedy of BBM - how fear instilled in a little boy's heart blighted the lives of these two men. Talk about a picture being worth a whole movie - let alone a thousand words!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 07:48:48 pm
Here is a little seen pic of Ennis.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ennis_gasstation.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 07:51:20 pm
And with this, we will hit 70,000 views!!


OH. MY. GOD.

Not much else to say, folks!

Milli, bring on the champagne and fireworks...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 07:52:23 pm
Here is another.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ennis-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on November 30, 2006, 08:14:25 pm
I wanted to post these three before heading to bed. Otherwise, I'll forget

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/PC_307146_CN0081_19.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/bm003.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/riding.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 08:15:18 pm
And as soon as Ennis's ear gets better, he'll be able to do this again:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 08:17:28 pm
Another Ennis
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on November 30, 2006, 08:17:34 pm
Wow .. So we did it, eh?

70, 000 views!!


Leslie, just because I know how much you "like" these fireworks ..  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)

Woohoo!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on November 30, 2006, 08:19:26 pm
Boobie fireworks! Thanks, Milli!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 08:20:26 pm
One more Ennis
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 08:23:28 pm
Loved the new chapter, Louise!  The banter between all the characters is always such fun.

Made me smile!   :) 8) :) :D :) ;D :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 30, 2006, 08:37:34 pm
Maybe when Nick Sampson gets out of the Navy he can come back to Laramie and be a Cowboy!

(http://static.flickr.com/109/297508513_050b8bfd7d.jpg)

(http://static.flickr.com/102/297508593_b3224f4220.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on November 30, 2006, 08:39:32 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 08:20:26 pm
One more Ennis

WOW!!   A smiling older Ennis!    Awsome!

Did you post this and some of the others in the "Heath Heath Heath" thread?   
I'm sure they'd be a big hit there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 08:52:11 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 30, 2006, 08:39:32 pm
WOW!!   A smiling older Ennis!    Awsome!

Did you post this and some of the others in the "Heath Heath Heath" thread?   
I'm sure they'd be a big hit there!

I haven't been there, but I'll check it out.  I'm more of a Jake fan myself.

Thanx!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 08:53:28 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 30, 2006, 08:37:34 pm
Maybe when Nick Sampson gets out of the Navy he can come back to Laramie and be a Cowboy!

(http://static.flickr.com/102/297508593_b3224f4220.jpg)


Humina, humina ... *thud*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on November 30, 2006, 08:55:59 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on November 30, 2006, 08:39:32 pm
WOW!!   A smiling older Ennis!    Awsome!

Did you post this and some of the others in the "Heath Heath Heath" thread?   
I'm sure they'd be a big hit there!

That's Ennis' Mona Lisa smile David.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on November 30, 2006, 08:59:42 pm
A new comment for the Private Friends group.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159339.html  "Some Thoughts on a Lonely Evening"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on November 30, 2006, 09:55:34 pm
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 07:39:16 pm
;D .. No, you are not competitive at all Leslie, not at all..


But how about I post a fanpic .. 
A point in time when Ennis' woes began ..
I call it "Through a boy's eyes.."


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/9f4b56a3.jpg)

This little boy is so good, it just broke my heart, how he could convey such emotion through his eyes at such a young eye is just amazing; then when the camera cut back to Ennis - the whole scene is so heart-wrenching that's the most devastating scene in the film to me - the beginning of a tragedy.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on November 30, 2006, 10:10:22 pm
Quote from: louisev on November 30, 2006, 08:59:42 pm
A new comment for the Private Friends group.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159339.html  "Some Thoughts on a Lonely Evening"

Thanx for this, Louise.  I've shared some thoughts as well.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 03:41:14 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 07:39:16 pm
;D .. No, you are not competitive at all Leslie, not at all..


But how about I post a fanpic .. 
A point in time when Ennis' woes began ..
I call it "Through a boy's eyes.."


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/9f4b56a3.jpg)

This is *so* beautiful Milli  :)

Thank you!  :-*

And I'm loving all the pics of Ennis, guys! Thanks so much  :)

And I'm LOVING the new Christmassy layout!! Whooooohooo!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 03:42:34 am
Quote from: Lucise on November 30, 2006, 08:17:34 pm
Wow .. So we did it, eh?

70, 000 views!!


Leslie, just because I know how much you "like" these fireworks ..  ;D


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)



Woohoo!

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Animes/0375c7cb.gif)

WOW WOW WOW!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 01, 2006, 08:07:12 am
Quote from: yb on November 30, 2006, 09:55:34 pm
This little boy is so good, it just broke my heart, how he could convey such emotion through his eyes at such a young eye is just amazing; then when the camera cut back to Ennis - the whole scene is so heart-wrenching that's the most devastating scene in the film to me - the beginning of a tragedy.



Yep totally agree with you. That picture is one of the most haunting pictures I have ever seen. How could anyone do that to a little boy..their own child?  Poor Ennis. Yet despite his bastard of a father, thanks to Louise, he,s got a life at last, with someone he adores and who adores him. Amen to that, and bring on that wedding. I know I,m gonna need a box of kleenex.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 01, 2006, 08:19:59 am
Quote from: souxi on December 01, 2006, 08:07:12 am
, and bring on that wedding. I know I,m gonna need a box of kleenex.

  I'm saving my box of tissues for the Honeymoon.  And not for crying!    Mu wa ha ha!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 08:22:41 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 01, 2006, 08:19:59 am
  I'm saving my box of tissues for the Honeymoon.  And not for crying!    Mu wa ha ha!

Oh, David! My eyes! my eyes!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 08:23:49 am
Morning, all.

December 1, 2006. Where does the time go?

Today is World AIDS day. Do something.

http://www.worldaidsday.org/index.asp

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/virtualribbon.gif)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 01, 2006, 08:25:43 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 01, 2006, 08:19:59 am
  I'm saving my box of tissues for the Honeymoon.  And not for crying!    Mu wa ha ha!

Well I,m getting two boxes, one for the wedding and one for the honeymoon. mwahhhhhhhhh lol. I know I know, I,m a soft touch lol. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 08:26:55 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 01, 2006, 08:19:59 am
  I'm saving my box of tissues for the Honeymoon.  And not for crying!    Mu wa ha ha!

 :o


 :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 08:27:56 am
This was such a great picture, I had to borrow it from the ABC playerz...we're all friends here, right? Thanks for sharing.


(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/nltoast/70_000.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 01, 2006, 08:32:19 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 08:23:49 am
Morning, all.

December 1, 2006. Where does the time go?

Today is World AIDS day. Do something.

http://www.worldaidsday.org/index.asp

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/virtualribbon.gif)

L

   Indeed!     Do what you can folks. 

Donate money to the cause.

Tell your Teens that safe sex is no joke.

Or just say a prayer that Scientists will find a real cure soon.

              Just read the papers / internet.   The numbers are climbing.   :-\

       
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 08:46:46 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 08:23:49 am
Morning, all.

December 1, 2006. Where does the time go?

Today is World AIDS day. Do something.

http://www.worldaidsday.org/index.asp

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/virtualribbon.gif)

L

I just did, Leslie. I posted this info in my journal and have the virtual banner on my profile page at LJ 

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 01, 2006, 10:14:10 am
Interesting quote huh?  8)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/advocate3.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 01, 2006, 10:19:38 am
Interesting quote indeed.    Anyone have the article so we can read the context it was said in?

Not that he is gay.  From the last interview I saw him in, he came across as very straight.   

Not that there is anything wrong with that!   <insert Seinfeld joke here>
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 10:19:55 am
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing, Natali.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 01, 2006, 10:21:38 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 01, 2006, 10:19:38 am
Interesting quote indeed.    Anyone have the article so we can read the context it was said in?

Not that he is gay.  From the last interview I saw him in, he came across as very straight.   

Not that there is anything wrong with that!   <insert Seinfeld joke here>

I just found the cover on Jackman's Landing page. I don't know about the rest, but I would like to read it too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 01, 2006, 10:23:13 am
Good Morning E&E fans!

While we wait for the next chapter, here is a pic of Nick Sampson waking up.  

Jeremy must be up already making coffee!    ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 01, 2006, 10:23:23 am
Ellery ready for the big day!  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/meltux.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 10:47:54 am
okay guys and gals...

i am working on chapter 12... 3?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on December 01, 2006, 11:02:53 am
SPOILER




“Don’t underestimate Wayne’s ability ta make a man want ta punch his lights out, darlin"



 :laugh: !!

Speaking from experience, Ennis?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 01, 2006, 11:33:11 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 01, 2006, 10:23:13 am
Good Morning E&E fans!

While we wait for the next chapter, here is a pic of Nick Sampson waking up.  

Jeremy must be up already making coffee!    ;)

Coffee, schmoffee!   :laugh:
Boy, what I would give to wake up next to THAT every morning!   :P  *drools*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 01, 2006, 11:38:23 am
Morning, y'all!

I really like the new colors and Christmas decor here, but I assumed there would be more reds.
The blue is real purty, though.

I'm expecting company today, but I plan to stay logged in all day and will check back (refresh) periodically.

TGIF!  (Hoping for a quiet, restful weekend.)

Later, peeps!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 11:48:14 am
wait no longer, Red Stallion fans.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159614.html  "Chapter 123:  I Think I'm Falling"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 01, 2006, 11:58:00 am
Hot DAMN!

   <looks at watch>  aw crap.  I gotta get ready for work.    :P

I'll just have to read chapters 124, 125 & 126 when I get home tonight!   ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 01, 2006, 12:10:37 pm
Well the new colours are ermm, interesting arnt they? Bright, cheerful and ermm, interesting.  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 12:16:27 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 01, 2006, 12:10:37 pm
Well the new colours are ermm, interesting arnt they? Bright, cheerful and ermm, interesting.  :-\ :-\ :-\

Phillip is tweaking the colors and this and that. If you have suggestions or comments, you can share them in the user's forum:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=6208.0

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 01:11:12 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 08:23:49 am
Morning, all.

December 1, 2006. Where does the time go?

Today is World AIDS day. Do something.

http://www.worldaidsday.org/index.asp

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/virtualribbon.gif)

L


Dear Leslie, thank you.  Lest we forget.  :)

<<
(~ http://www.avert.org/worldaid.htm)

According to UNAIDS estimates, there are now 39.5 million people living with HIV, including 2.3 million children, and during 2006 some 4.3 million people became newly infected with the virus. Around half of all people who become infected with HIV do so before they are 25 and are killed by AIDS before they are 35.

Around 95% of people with HIV/AIDS live in developing nations. But HIV today is a threat to men, women and children on all continents around the world.

Started in 1988, World AIDS Day is not just about raising money, but also about increasing awareness, fighting prejudice and improving education. World AIDS Day is important in reminding people that HIV has not gone away, and that there are many things still to be done.
>>
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 01:39:17 pm
here it is boys and girls:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159876.html  "Chapter 124:  Feel Like Making Love"


acknoweldgements to David for that STUNNING visual, which I used as the basis for this love scene.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 01:43:10 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 11:48:14 am
wait no longer, Red Stallion fans.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159614.html  "Chapter 123:  I Think I'm Falling"


I loved this chapter .. especially the last half of it!  *deep sigh* ..

Muchos gracias!!  Can't wait for the next ..  8)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 01:44:14 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 01:39:17 pm
here it is boys and girls:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159876.html  "Chapter 124:  Feel Like Making Love"

And here it is ..  :D
Bless you!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 01, 2006, 02:00:51 pm
*SPOILER*

Well I think I know how Jeremy feels. I,m feeling a bit incoherent myself at the moment after reading that. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 02:10:19 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 01, 2006, 02:00:51 pm
*SPOILER*

Well I think I know how Jeremy feels. I,m feeling a bit incoherent myself at the moment after reading that. :o :o :o


.. this is where you stagger off in a dazed, bewildered state, eh Souxi?  ;D

I loved that little E&E chat at the end of the chapter .. LOL ..
They are being good lads and following doctor's orders .. even though they are getting 'vibes' that everyone else is gettin some and they aint ..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 02:12:37 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 01:39:17 pm
here it is boys and girls:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159876.html  "Chapter 124:  Feel Like Making Love"


acknoweldgements to David for that STUNNING visual, which I used as the basis for this love scene.

And I think we need to see that stunning visual again...



(http://static.flickr.com/103/309518905_0421101a2f.jpg)


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 02:14:55 pm
Exactly ..

I was just gonna ask David to bring back that picture ..  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 01, 2006, 02:42:12 pm
Yes!
Huge thanks to David.  That was truly awe-inspiring!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on December 01, 2006, 03:13:43 pm
123, 124 that was  a treat !
spoiler!

"I Think I’m Falling"  ??

After reading, and especially  this:

Nick grinned. “Any time ya want a date with Jeremy feel free ta call em up – I ain’t got no claim on em.”
Dupree came out of the Gents and stopped dead as he heard Nick’s words.

It should be :  We think we Falling

With Jeremy so confused and good...  ;) he probably at the moment doesn’t think at all ; it’s just subconscious feeling, but still, it’s already  there
please more of them until Nick is in Laramie 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 03:20:37 pm
Finale Warning:

The Laramie Saga will reach its conclusion this weekend.  Sunday, October 28, 1984 will be the final day of the Saga proper.

After this I will be working on a story entitled "Dupree's Choice" which will take up where the Laramie Saga leaves off.

*runs quickly away before the handkerchiefs come out*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on December 01, 2006, 03:42:09 pm
getting pragmatic, what else I can do now :-\

how long will be pause between those two stories?
please say none  :'(  you are typing immediately next one after LS ends, aren't you?)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 03:51:06 pm
I will be working on "Dupree's Choice" as soon as I finish "The Red Stallion."

Updates will be posted every week or two, that is what I anticipate at the present.

I will also be completing my drabbles series, "Falling in Lust."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 01, 2006, 04:00:26 pm
Boo-hoo-hooooooo!   :'(

Sunday?  That's only 2 days from now!

The good news:  I'm going out of town Monday, so at least I won't be left hanging wondering about the next chapters.  Plus, I'll be distracted as I go through withdrawal.

The bad news:  It's ENDING!    Waaaaaaaaaa!   :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 01, 2006, 04:01:00 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 03:51:06 pm

Updates will be posted every week or two, that is what I anticipate at the present.


Huh?!  No more daily updates?  It will be a torture for sure! :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 04:01:13 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 03:20:37 pm
Finale Warning:

The Laramie Saga will reach its conclusion this weekend.  Sunday, October 28, 1984 will be the final day of the Saga proper.
After this I will be working on a story entitled "Dupree's Choice" which will take up where the Laramie Saga leaves off.

*runs quickly away before the handkerchiefs come out*


Looks like I will be printing the last 3 of the LS books this weekend then!   :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 04:03:20 pm
I am having a hard time imagining what it will be like to not be here, hanging on for daily updates. I have been living this "hanging life" for 6 months, folks, since May 20, 2006, to be exact.

I am already suffering from withdrawal symptoms.....yikes!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 04:10:45 pm


We could all go back and start on the first book .. how's that?  And we'll still all come here to play .. and discuss the short stories ..
So .. no weeping please, hide the hankies before Louise runs off screaming..  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 04:15:48 pm
off topic post:

The cake I baked tonight which turned out perfectly:

(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8421/marblecakeim4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 01, 2006, 04:16:17 pm
Quote from: Lucise on December 01, 2006, 04:10:45 pm

We could all go back and start on the first book .. how's that?  And we'll still all come here to play .. and discuss the short stories ..
So .. no weeping please, hide the hankies before Louise runs off screaming..  ;D

Too late, already started. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 04:16:27 pm
Good thought, Milli. When I started this thread, Louise was on chapter 30 of the third book. We can just start from the first chapter of "Taking Chances," post the updates, start with pictures and games...we have 2 whole books we have never completely pulled apart here on the thread.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 01, 2006, 04:18:02 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 04:16:27 pm
Good thought, Milli. When I started this thread, Louise was on chapter 30 of the third book. We can just start from the first chapter of "Taking Chances," post the updates, start with pictures and games...we have 2 whole books we have never completely pulled apart here on the thread.

Leslie
      good idea leslie,,,see you here monday
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 01, 2006, 04:19:10 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on December 01, 2006, 04:18:02 pm
      good idea leslie,,,see you here monday


i'll be here!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 01, 2006, 04:19:20 pm
I'm already re-reading up to book 5, should I start all over from book 1 again?  Not that I won't, but it'll be so much better to read new chapters.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 01, 2006, 04:26:33 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 01, 2006, 04:19:10 pm
i'll be here!  :)

Yep sounds like a good plan to me, count me in lol. Right, I,m off for the night. Nite all, nite twinnie. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 06:25:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 04:15:48 pm
off topic post:

The cake I baked tonight which turned out perfectly:


So Louise, what kinda cake is it?   :)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 06:32:18 pm
Gluten free marble cake. I've made this recipe about ten times - this is the first time it actually did not cave in in the middle!!!

And in half an hour:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 01, 2006, 06:35:24 pm
Happy Birthday, Louise! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 01, 2006, 06:48:12 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 02:12:37 pm
And I think we need to see that stunning visual again...



(http://static.flickr.com/103/309518905_0421101a2f.jpg)


L            whoooeee leslie that is a perfect visual for that last chapter..with dupree and nick..sooohawt
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 06:53:40 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 06:32:18 pm
Gluten free marble cake. I've made this recipe about ten times - this is the first time it actually did not cave in in the middle!!!

And in half an hour:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!


So what would you like for your Birthday, lady?   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 06:58:19 pm
Hm... what do I want for my birthday...

an E & E pic!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 06:59:22 pm
Oh..I forgot to mention something that came to mind when I read the last chapter ..
You know, when Jeevesy was punishing Lancelot for being a naughty boy .. lol

I have been listening to this song by Justin Timberlake called "sexy back" .. anyone heard of it..?  Anyway, I have been listening to it alot lately ..
and here is a part of the song that I thought about during that spankin session ..  ;D


"Dirty babe
You see these shackles
Baby I'm your slave
I'll let you whip me if I misbehave
It's just that no one makes me feel this way .. "


Perfect words for that sort of  jeeving  .. lol..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 01, 2006, 07:01:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 06:58:19 pm
Hm... what do I want for my birthday...

an E & E pic!

Ok ma'am ..

Done !   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 07:06:37 pm
bursting with Hughdity!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on December 01, 2006, 07:18:16 pm
Happy Birthday Louise!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 07:35:28 pm
thank you Christie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 01, 2006, 07:40:58 pm
It is December 2nd in Germany so happy birthday my friend...have a wonderful day and treat yourself to something special!

Big birthday hugs,

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 07:50:01 pm
thank you Leslie!  I think this marble cake is going to be gone sometime during the day tomorrow...!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: full measure on December 01, 2006, 07:56:07 pm
Happy Birthday, that cake looks so good; do you think you could post the recipe?  Edna might like to try it, and I might also, my daughter needs gluten-free stuff, and my cakes never look that good!

KJ (FM)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 07:57:31 pm
Sure, not a problem.  I will post the recipe on the Holiday Forum.

Since I am allergic to wheat, I have had to scare up all sorts of solutions of a gluten-free nature.  I have a wonderful recipe for waffles as well, this one in American quantities.  If I find it in the jumble in my kitchen I will send it to you via PM.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 08:35:36 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 01:39:17 pm
here it is boys and girls:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/159876.html  "Chapter 124:  Feel Like Making Love"


acknoweldgements to David for that STUNNING visual, which I used as the basis for this love scene.

Eternally grateful to David!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 08:37:51 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 03:51:06 pm

I will also be completing my drabbles series, "Falling in Lust."

Whoooooooooweeeeeeeeeeee Louise! I *SO* LOVE these drabbles!!!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 08:39:41 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 01, 2006, 04:16:17 pm
Too late, already started. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


Oh me too dear twinnie..... :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 08:40:44 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 01, 2006, 04:19:10 pm
i'll be here!  :)

me too!!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 08:42:47 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 06:32:18 pm
Gluten free marble cake. I've made this recipe about ten times - this is the first time it actually did not cave in in the middle!!!

And in half an hour:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!

Aww Louise ~ I'm playing catch up and am late with my B'day wishes but A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 01, 2006, 08:44:31 pm
no you aren't late, my birthday is the 2nd.  So - it is just barely the 2nd!!!  and thank you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 08:45:52 pm
Quote from: Lucise on December 01, 2006, 06:59:22 pm
Oh..I forgot to mention something that came to mind when I read the last chapter ..
You know, when Jeevesy was punishing Lancelot for being a naughty boy .. lol

I have been listening to this song by Justin Timberlake called "sexy back" .. anyone heard of it..?  Anyway, I have been listening to it alot lately ..
and here is a part of the song that I thought about during that spankin session ..  ;D


"Dirty babe
You see these shackles
Baby I'm your slave
I'll let you whip me if I misbehave
It's just that no one makes me feel this way .. "


Perfect words for that sort of  jeeving  .. lol..

 ;D  ;D  ;D

Yeah, I've heard of it, Milli ~ HOT clip too!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 01, 2006, 08:47:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 08:44:31 pm
no you aren't late, my birthday is the 2nd.  So - it is just barely the 2nd!!!  and thank you!

Whew!!  :)  My pleasure  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 01, 2006, 08:55:21 pm
Happy Birthday Louise. Here's Ellery's favorite cake! Enjoy!!!  :D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/chocolatecake-01.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 01, 2006, 09:21:26 pm
Phew!   That was a hot chapter wasn't it?

Glad y'all liked the picture that inspired it.     And to reward y'all, another hot pic of Jeremy and Nick on their date.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 01, 2006, 09:58:35 pm
For Louise:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

 :-*  Hug   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: full measure on December 01, 2006, 10:16:28 pm
Louise, if you have waffles for your birthday, maybe better not be inspired to have E and E do the same:  I'm not sure they could be trusted not to burn themselves if they got fooling around while using the waffle iron.  Though  maybe Ellery could make them carefully while they wait for Ennis' ear to get better...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: caramelle58 on December 02, 2006, 01:51:43 am
Happy birthday, Louise and many happy returns ! Enjoy your cake and we promise : No crying on your birthday. But - of course - we can't say if there won't be tears later on, if you ever decide to "feed" us with new chapters...... ::)


Love

Caramelle
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on December 02, 2006, 02:01:21 am
Happy birthday Louise !!!

So I guess that makes you a Saggitarius, too  :D

I have it on good authority ( well, my next door neighbour does charts as a hobby  ;)) that this is going to be a really good year for Sags, so - I hope you're going to have  a WONDERFULL year.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 03:43:41 am
(http://bestsmileys.com/birthday1/7.gif)

Have  a lovely day Louise.
S.xxx
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 03:52:23 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/nickdupree.jpg)

“Nick’s arms closed around him, and Dupree buried his face in the junction of the sailor’s neck, nuzzling there, the scent arousing him as it had aroused him earlier when he masturbated in the scent of the sheets. “I want you too,” Dupree murmured against his neck, sucking on the warm flesh.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 04:47:23 am
Quote from: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 03:52:23 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/nickdupree.jpg)

“Nick’s arms closed around him, and Dupree buried his face in the junction of the sailor’s neck, nuzzling there, the scent arousing him as it had aroused him earlier when he masturbated in the scent of the sheets. “I want you too,” Dupree murmured against his neck, sucking on the warm flesh.”


HOLY CHRIST JO.!!!   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 04:52:20 am
Hey Souxi !..  ;)



I tell ya, David has an excellent collection of erotic male images for these scrumptious chapters ..
woowee..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on December 02, 2006, 05:14:50 am
Happy Birthday, Louise!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on December 02, 2006, 05:49:16 am
Just had ta add ma good wishes to a fellow sagittarian

Bonne Fête Louise
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on December 02, 2006, 06:02:30 am
Louise, a riddle for you:

Q: what does one Australian aborigine say to another Australian aborigine when he gives him a boomerang for a birthday present?

A: Many happy returns !!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 06:36:43 am
Quote from: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 03:52:23 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/nickdupree.jpg)

“Nick’s arms closed around him, and Dupree buried his face in the junction of the sailor’s neck, nuzzling there, the scent arousing him as it had aroused him earlier when he masturbated in the scent of the sheets. “I want you too,” Dupree murmured against his neck, sucking on the warm flesh.”


Oh my word, that image has got me all hot and bothered again....actually, forget again, I dont think I fully recovered from that last chapter!  That Nick sure has some hot seduction techniques.  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 06:37:19 am
Louise, I hope you are having a happy birthday.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on December 02, 2006, 06:47:10 am
Hello Louise

I'm a bit behind everyone else - but HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Hope you're having a god day so far.

I can't believe that the saga is coming to an end. Checking in every day has become something of a ritual. You know I'm gonna be wondering what's become of all the characters that we've come to know and love, not just E&E but the regulars at the bar, and he guys and gals at the station. It's going to leave a gap  :(

You're going to have to pack a lot into the final chapter. I know that they are planning the ceremony early, but is there any chance that Ennis' daughters will be there? He loves them so much I thought that he'd want them there to share this.

Oooo... and what is Dupree going to say to Paula?

Maybe I should just stop with the questions, they're going to be answered anyway.  :)

Enjoy your day Louise - are you doing anything special?

Karen

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 02, 2006, 07:07:39 am
Quote from: Kazza on December 02, 2006, 06:47:10 am

Oooo... and what is Dupree going to say to Paula?

Karen

Well,  maybe she'll catch him and nick smooching?  That'll straighten her out.   Can't you just she her reaction?   

Paula:  "Aren't there any straight men in the Laramie Sheriffs Department?"

Joe Toomey: "Yes'm, but my wife might not like me stepping out on her."


          :D                     HAPPY BIRTHDAY!  Louisev!!       :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 02, 2006, 07:15:43 am
GELUKKIGE VERJAARDAG LOUISE!  :-*

hope you have a wonderful day!


Fabienne
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 07:19:40 am
thank you for all of the wonderful birthday greetings, gang!  I slept in late - or tried to, had many bizarre dreams that finally drove me out of bed, and I'm back at the computer.

The only thing special I am planning this weekend is to finish the Saga.

Any loose ends I miss should be swept up by the next story, "Dupree's Choice" since it will continue with Dupree's story line after action ends in the Saga proper.

There will be more stories - about every major story line and most of the characters in the Laramie Saga, so please do not despair.

And for those Friends who have been following the story through, you will be given special access to preview the stories before they are done - sort of like a beta.  This is only for members of my Private friends group.  If you are a new reader and you have been commenting regularly for a couple of weeks or more I will provide Private Friends access after the second short story, if you are participating members at Bettermost.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 07:53:31 am
Quote from: Lucise on December 02, 2006, 04:52:20 am
Hey Souxi !..  ;)



I tell ya, David has an excellent collection of erotic male images for these scrumptious chapters ..
woowee..


Elllooooooooo Milli. Yes he sure does doesnt he? Jesus...that was a bit errrrm, hot for early in the morning!! :o :o :o
Not that I,m complaining mind you...bring it on lol. woooweee. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 02, 2006, 08:20:04 am
Morning all.

Saturday iin Maine, just checking in. Happy Birthday AGAIN Louise, I hope the day is going well!

Hugs to all,

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: sgibneva on December 02, 2006, 08:47:39 am
Hello, Louisev,
Have a very Happy Brithday,a lot of joy and kisses!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 08:47:52 am
Morning Leslie  :)

*hugs back at you*

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 02, 2006, 08:55:29 am
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 07:19:40 am

And for those Friends who have been following the story through, you will be given special access to preview the stories before they are done - sort of like a beta.  This is only for members of my Private friends group.  If you are a new reader and you have been commenting regularly for a couple of weeks or more I will provide Private Friends access after the second short story, if you are participating members at Bettermost.

That's the best news.  Just yesterday, I was thinking to offer to be the beta for Dupree's Choice but this is even better.  Thank you, Louise.

And, have a wonderful day today.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 02, 2006, 09:01:14 am
Hey sgibneva

Welcome to Bettermost and to the Laramie Saga discussion thread! Enjoy.  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 09:02:10 am
Quote from: yb on December 02, 2006, 08:55:29 am
That's the best news. 

I agree  :)

Have you finished your cake yet?  ;D  It sure looked delicious!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 02, 2006, 09:03:00 am
Good morning all y'all.

      You know, we need not cry about the E&E saga ending.   Because it really isn't.     Well, kinda, but if Louisev is giving us the Dupree stories next, we will still get to revisit E&E and the Red Stallion gang as long as she doesn't have him quit the Sheriffs office and the Bar!  LOL.

    Even if E&E are not the focus, you know Dupree needs Ennis as his Mentor.    And Dupree will need his job at the bar to keep him busy especially after Nicks leave is over and he has to go back.  (Boo Hoo)     Granted I'll bet he'll be pretty damn ornery and frustrated by that, and watch out for anyone who pisses him off.   LOL.    

   Oh I do see a fun and colourful series coming up for us.   I think Louisev is going to have fun with this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 02, 2006, 09:10:49 am
Good points, David!

I think of it this way...if Louise can write close to 1 million words telling us the story of Ennis and Ellery, think how many words she can expend telling us the story of these new characters that have captured all of our collective imaginations. I don't see this train ride ending anytime soon!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 09:12:45 am
Quote from: sgibneva on December 02, 2006, 08:47:39 am
Hello, Louisev,
Have a very Happy Brithday,a lot of joy and kisses!!!!

welcome, sqib. I saw your comments on LJ - glad you decided to join us at Bettermost.  This is a unique time - the readers have decided to start a coordinated "reread" from the beginning of the Saga, since I will be finishing the final book this weekend.  The "reread" will begin on Monday after my final chapters have posted.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 02, 2006, 09:17:10 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 02, 2006, 09:10:49 am
Good points, David!

I think of it this way...if Louise can write close to 1 million words telling us the story of Ennis and Ellery, think how many words she can expend telling us the story of these new characters that have captured all of our collective imaginations. I don't see this train ride ending anytime soon!

L

I agree, I think Dupree's story deserves at least half a million words with an option for extension.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 09:19:20 am
Quote from: yb on December 02, 2006, 09:17:10 am
I agree, I think Dupree's story deserves at least half a million words with an option for extension.


Yep I,ll second that. That ok with you Louise? ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 09:39:13 am
sorry...

Louise isn't here right now, she's run off to Switzerland!

being chased by all of the fans!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 09:51:40 am
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 09:39:13 am
sorry...

Louise isn't here right now, she's run off to Switzerland!

being chased by all of the fans!

It,s ok peeps, dont panic. I,ve found just the thing to stop Louise escaping. ;) ;) ;)

(http://bestsmileys.com/jail/1.gif)

and whilst shes, in there, she,s chained to this: Dont worry, theres no escape lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 02, 2006, 09:59:44 am
but ... but ... souxi, today is Louise's birthday!  Can you wait till tomorrow to chain her up?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 10:03:13 am
Quote from: yb on December 02, 2006, 09:59:44 am
but ... but ... souxi, today is Louise's birthday!  Can you wait till tomorrow to chain her up?

Well ok then lol, but only if she promises not to try and escape to Switzerland again. Theres no escape from us Louise. Muahhhhh. (one of your evil laughs) ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 10:11:09 am
I ain't makin no promises.

*drops a new chapter on the road and races off for the escape route!*

http://louisev.livejournal.com/160226.html  "Chapter 125:  The Morning After the Night Before"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 02, 2006, 10:17:34 am
Thanks Louisev for that!

Here's a pic for the "morning after".    ;)

....."Nick’s lashes fluttered and his eyes opened, and he smiled at Dupree’s bright blue gaze looking down at him.

“What you lookin at, soldier?” he mumbled.

“You.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 10:22:34 am
Quote from: souxi on December 02, 2006, 09:19:20 am
Yep I,ll second that. That ok with you Louise? ;) ;) ;) ;D

And I'll third that!!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 10:23:58 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 02, 2006, 10:17:34 am
Thanks Louisev for that!

Here's a pic for the "morning after".    ;)

....."Nick’s lashes fluttered and his eyes opened, and he smiled at Dupree’s bright blue gaze looking down at him.

“What you lookin at, soldier?” he mumbled.

“You.”

Another big WOW David!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 11:18:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/160328.html  "Chapter 126:  Serious"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on December 02, 2006, 11:37:07 am
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 11:18:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/160328.html  "Chapter 126:  Serious"

Err ... How many are on tryin fer taday? only a coupl'a hours apart? I'll be sure ta check this thread up again a little past noon (My estimate is you're shootin for 5 - no 6 chapters taday !)

Ya got ma attention

Sheriff Roland

BTW, peeps, go check out the sailor's thread - David's sure he's found HIS "Nick"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 11:48:19 am
Quote from: Sheriff Roland on December 02, 2006, 11:37:07 am
Err ... How many are on tryin fer taday? only a coupl'a hours apart? I'll be sure ta check this thread up again a little past noon (My estimate is you're shootin for 5 - no 6 chapters taday !)

Ya got ma attention

Sheriff Roland

BTW, peeps, go check out the sailor's thread - David's sure he's found HIS "Nick"

Sheriff ~ can I just say I really love your 'accent'!  :D  It's just great!

Oh ~ and I'm going over there right now!  ::)

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 02, 2006, 11:49:04 am
Oh, my.  lots of LS goodness goin' on here.
Before I forget:

1.  2 beautiful chapters already this morning; thanx, Louise.  Hope you're having a special day.   :-*   :)

2.  Another yummy pic, David.  Thanx.   ;D

3.  I want to be part of the 'reread LS from the beginning' group that's starting on Monday, but I'll be gone from Monday until Saturday.   Waaaaah!   :'(   :(

4.  We seem to have several Sagittarians here and I'm one, too.  In fact, my birthday is Dec. 19 - which just happens to be the birthday of a certain famous someone who we all adore!    ;)

Gotta run around with the cousins today, so I won't be able to check in 'til way later.  But I hope everyone has a great day!

*Hugs*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 11:52:52 am
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 10:11:09 am
I ain't makin no promises.

*drops a new chapter on the road and races off for the escape route!*

http://louisev.livejournal.com/160226.html  "Chapter 125:  The Morning After the Night Before"

Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 11:18:06 am
Update to "The Red Stallion"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/160328.html  "Chapter 126:  Serious"

Bonjour tout le monde ..

WOW .. Two chaps. already!!   :D
Wonderful way to start the day!

Louise, how goes the birthday so far?!  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 11:56:02 am
there will be a minimum of one more today, which I am working at finishing as we speak.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 11:58:01 am
Before you attempt another escape to Switzerland, Louise .. lol..
Let me deliver your birthday present(s) .. 

Hope you like ..  8)


First ..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/FanficCovers/38e5eb58.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 12:02:26 pm
*SIGH* gorgeous Milli  :)

And Good Morning ~ late afternoon for me!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 12:03:27 pm
And ..

You said you wanted an E&E pic for your birthday, so I decided to make it yet another LS cover.

We have 6 LS Books after all!!  8)  Hope you like ..!


(In addition to Ennis & the Shirts and the E&E pic, there is meant to be some symbolism associated with the blue skies, the lifeless trees (in the background) and the mirrored "E&E" letters in the foreground ..   Interpret as you wish ..   :))


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/FanficCovers/66cab9ab.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 12:09:16 pm
oh MILLI!

How absolutely, utterly, GORGEOUS!

Thank you so much!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 12:14:42 pm
Phew .. okay,

Glad you like them!!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 12:19:48 pm
Awww Milli ~ BEAUTIFUL  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 02, 2006, 12:47:00 pm
Great pics Milli!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: scudder on December 02, 2006, 12:48:14 pm
Feliz cumpleanos,  Louise.

I don't think there are enough words to express my thanks to you for this wonderful Laramie Saga.  So, thank you.

I don't know if I am set to follow the stories that are to come.  If not tell me what to do.

I wonder what Jeremy's choice is.  Straight or gay?  Nick or Jeeves?

Anyroad,  thanks for a great story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 02, 2006, 12:51:14 pm
<Ellery shouts from the kitchen>  "Ennis are you in bed like the doctor ordered?"

Ennis: "Yes dear".

Ellery: "The hell you are!   You're on the couch watching Clint Eastwood again aren'tcha?"

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 12:52:28 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"


http://louisev.livejournal.com/160560.html  "Chapter 127:  Accessories Before the Fact"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 12:53:58 pm
Quote from: scudder on December 02, 2006, 12:48:14 pm
Feliz cumpleanos,  Louise.

I don't think there are enough words to express my thanks to you for this wonderful Laramie Saga.  So, thank you.

I don't know if I am set to follow the stories that are to come.  If not tell me what to do.


Anyroad,  thanks for a great story.

If you add me to your Friends group (go to louisev.livejournal.com)  press "Add as a Friend" at the top, adn tell me your Livejournal name I can add you to my group so you can see the stories as I upload them.  I will open the entries when the stories are complete for the public to read them, but this special group can read them as I write them.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 01:09:48 pm
*SPOILER*











It was my intention to write a silly wedding ceremony, and I hope I succeeded.  Complete with blowing noses and fainting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 02, 2006, 01:13:43 pm
SPOILER!


















Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 01:09:48 pm
*SPOILER*











It was my intention to write a silly wedding ceremony, and I hope I succeeded.  Complete with blowing noses and fainting.

I thought it was lovely! Wedding bells are in order!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/WeddingBells-738291.gif)

CONGRATULATIONS ENNIS AND ELLERY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on December 02, 2006, 01:33:13 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 02, 2006, 09:03:00 am
   Even if E&E are not the focus, you know Dupree needs Ennis as his Mentor.    And Dupree will need his job at the bar to keep him busy especially after Nicks leave is over and he has to go back.  (Boo Hoo)     Granted I'll bet he'll be pretty damn ornery and frustrated by that, and watch out for anyone who pisses him off.   LOL.    

   Oh I do see a fun and colourful series coming up for us.   I think Louisev is going to have fun with this.

God, the possibilities !! My head is spinning.

I vote for Dupree to take his time, before deciding.  Try all options at least 3 times and talk it over with all the Red Stallion gang. Twice. We may have at least another book in the making...

Seriously, Louise -  You've created a universe we all love so much, and filled it with people we care about, who we feel we know and love. You are an amazing story-teller. Thank you for allowing us to accompany you in this wonderful, emotional journey.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on December 02, 2006, 01:36:17 pm
Quote from: scudder on December 02, 2006, 12:48:14 pm

I wonder what Jeremy's choice is.  Straight or gay?  Nick or Jeeves?


Umm...sexual orientation wasn't a choice last I checked  ???
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 01:38:48 pm
thanks, Ronit... thank you all.

I feel a little bit disoriented and heady.  Maybe it's because of the writing I did today, or the fact that I am actually doing the Finale, and changing gears due to my own creative needs.  I felt a great sadness that I felt the need to change gears and refocus, and at the same time, a responsibility to the characters and the universe I have created and lived with for the past seven months.

I am hopeful that the solution I have devised turns out to meet all of our needs as I wrap up the myriad "loose ends" and ease the way for the diverging paths of the original characters into their own worlds and explorations.

I will let slip another plan I have, which, time permitting, I expect to be working on during December.  I am going to try my hand at "originalizing" the first book, "Taking Chances" as an original story.  This is going to take a certain amount of thought and planning, but after much discussion and rumination, I think it can be done.  And if I do get it done - I will be publishing it, and the other books, in an on-demand manner (ie. printing as they are ordered.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 01:40:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 12:52:28 pm
Update to "The Red Stallion"


http://louisev.livejournal.com/160560.html  "Chapter 127:  Accessories Before the Fact"


Loved it Louise!!!

I posted this on your LJ, but what the heck ..  ;D

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/7889be33.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 01:42:33 pm
wow... more fanart!

A surfeit of goodness!
an embarrassment of riches!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on December 02, 2006, 01:44:53 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 01:38:48 pm

I will let slip another plan I have, which, time permitting, I expect to be working on during December.  I am going to try my hand at "originalizing" the first book, "Taking Chances" as an original story.  This is going to take a certain amount of thought and planning, but after much discussion and rumination, I think it can be done.  And if I do get it done - I will be publishing it, and the other books, in an on-demand manner (ie. printing as they are ordered.)

Well, I'm sure "find & replace" will  help with some aspects of it  ;)  Could be a nice little money-earner too, I guess.  The last person who published their fanfic got into some serious hot water, of course "originalizing" the Laramie Saga might be one way around this.  But then, it is rather getting away from your original goal of writing - it will not help anyone else to "heal" from BBM if you are circulating it as an original work.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 02:38:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 01:38:48 pm
thanks, Ronit... thank you all.

I feel a little bit disoriented and heady.  Maybe it's because of the writing I did today, or the fact that I am actually doing the Finale, and changing gears due to my own creative needs.  I felt a great sadness that I felt the need to change gears and refocus, and at the same time, a responsibility to the characters and the universe I have created and lived with for the past seven months.

I am hopeful that the solution I have devised turns out to meet all of our needs as I wrap up the myriad "loose ends" and ease the way for the diverging paths of the original characters into their own worlds and explorations.

I will let slip another plan I have, which, time permitting, I expect to be working on during December.  I am going to try my hand at "originalizing" the first book, "Taking Chances" as an original story.  This is going to take a certain amount of thought and planning, but after much discussion and rumination, I think it can be done.  And if I do get it done - I will be publishing it, and the other books, in an on-demand manner (ie. printing as they are ordered.)

Yipppee Louise, great to hear.Me and my cosmic twin will be putting our pre-orders in ASAP, wont we twinnie? Where are you today anyway? Hardly seen you. :'( :'( Hope your not letting RL get in the way of the important things, like our boys. ;) ;D I cant believe Ennis actually Kissed Ellery in front of everyone. I was hoping he would but I wasnt sure. Brilliant. Now are the girls going to Wes and Ednas for the nite to give our boys some privacy on their wedding nite? I know they cant do much but they ought to be alone really. *SIGH*.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 02:40:00 pm
whaddayamean souxi?  I already wrote THREE WHOLE CHAPTERS!!!

You girls are never enough.... what are you, the wonder twins?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 02:45:27 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 02:40:00 pm
whaddayamean souxi?  I already wrote THREE WHOLE CHAPTERS!!!

You girls are never enough.... what are you, the wonder twins?

Yup thats us lol. ;D Ok I spose you can have the rest of the day off then, (reluctantly) it is your birthday lol. ;D So after the 15 extra chapters about the wedding night ;)(after Enni,s ear is better) do we get another 50 for the honeymoon? Or is that wishfull thinking on my part lol.  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 02:48:46 pm
SPOILERS!!!






Okay.

This is what you are going to get.

One long post-legbone night in the sack!

One story about the wedding reception (that comes later)
And "Dupree's Choice" will start after Dupree drops Nick home after their hot Saturday night three-orgasm date.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 03:01:07 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 02:48:46 pm
SPOILERS!!!






Okay.

This is what you are going to get.

One long post-legbone night in the sack!

One story about the wedding reception (that comes later)
And "Dupree's Choice" will start after Dupree drops Nick home after their hot Saturday night three-orgasm date.

Wooooweeeeee!!!!!!! Long did you say? So does that mean, really really really long? I mean think about it Louise, our poor boys have been deprved for days and days on end. Well it seems like that to us lol, so it,s got be longggggggggg hasnt it? lol. wooweeeee!!!!! Yippeeee lol. Sorry,I got excited then lol.  ;) ;) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 03:04:34 pm
yes. Long.

very. very. long.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 03:10:23 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 02, 2006, 02:38:31 pm
Yipppee Louise, great to hear.Me and my cosmic twin will be putting our pre-orders in ASAP, wont we twinnie? Where are you today anyway? Hardly seen you. :'( :'( Hope your not letting RL get in the way of the important things, like our boys. ;) ;D 

Aw twinnie  :-*  ~ I've been in and out, yeah busy with homework and other RL things!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 03:10:56 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 03:04:34 pm
yes. Long.

very. very. long.

Oooooo did you see that twinnie? I,ts going to be really really really really really really really long. That means ORGASMIC.  Ennis is going to be a man possesed by the time he gets his hands on his husband.  :o :o :o :o
Suddenly I feel rather hot. *ahem* ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 03:13:36 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 02, 2006, 03:10:56 pm
Oooooo did you see that twinnie? I,ts going to be really really really really really really really long. That means ORGASMIC.  Ennis is going to be a man possesed by the time he gets his hands on his husband.  :o :o :o :o
Suddenly I feel rather hot. *ahem* ;) ;) ;D

 ;D  ;D  ;D

Oh God ~ methinks my inbox will be full tomorrow morning!!  ;)   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 03:15:41 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 03:13:36 pm
;D  ;D  ;D

Oh God ~ methinks my inbox will be full tomorrow morning!!  ;)   ;D

Hahahahahaha, yep twinnie, I shall be having dreams tonite for sure, thinking of what they can get up too. :o :o :o :o :o.*FAINTS* ;) ;) ;D

In fact,  I do feel rather hot all of a sudden:

(http://bestsmileys.com/hot/3.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 03:22:47 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 02, 2006, 03:15:41 pm
Hahahahahaha, yep twinnie, I shall be having dreams tonite for sure, thinking of what they can get up too. :o :o :o :o :o.*FAINTS* ;) ;) ;D

In fact,  I do feel rather hot all of a sudden:

(http://bestsmileys.com/hot/3.gif)

Should I expect the first pm coming in then?  :P

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 02, 2006, 03:23:59 pm
Quote from: merrobot on December 02, 2006, 01:44:53 pm
But then, it is rather getting away from your original goal of writing - it will not help anyone else to "heal" from BBM if you are circulating it as an original work.

She already stated that this would be The Red Stallion, not the first books.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on December 02, 2006, 03:30:57 pm
Quote from: Marge_Innavera on December 02, 2006, 03:23:59 pm
She already stated that this would be The Red Stallion, not the first books.

Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 01:38:48 pm
I am going to try my hand at "originalizing" the first book, "Taking Chances" as an original story.

I beg to differ, Marge.  Louise has quite clearly stated here that it is the first book that she intends to adapt to pass as an original story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 03:35:21 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 02, 2006, 03:15:41 pm
Hahahahahaha, yep twinnie, I shall be having dreams tonite for sure, thinking of what they can get up too. :o :o :o :o :o.*FAINTS* ;) ;) ;D

In fact,  I do feel rather hot all of a sudden:

(http://bestsmileys.com/hot/3.gif)


You girls are too much for me ..  lol
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 03:36:41 pm
Milli,

Those two girls are too much for ME.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 03:41:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 03:36:41 pm
Milli,

Those two girls are too much for ME.

Hehehehe we just knew you loved us really lol. See June? Whatever would they do without us, eh? eh? eh?  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 03:43:57 pm
this thread would be half the size and we wouldn't be the most-viewed thread at Bettermost. THAT's what we would do without you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 02, 2006, 03:46:32 pm
OMG, i leave the house for the afternoon and look what happens! Ennis and Ellery are married!
Louise, that was a wonderful, funny and moving ceremony!


CONGRATULATIONS ENNIS & ELLERY!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 03:47:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 03:43:57 pm
this thread would be half the size and we wouldn't be the most-viewed thread at Bettermost. THAT's what we would do without you!

I take that as a compliment, Louise??  :D  Wasn't quite sure after your last post!!  ???  :P   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 03:52:18 pm
I'm always complimentary... June.  Have you spent a single Euro ?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 02, 2006, 04:19:19 pm
Right you lot I,m off for the nite. Sweet dreams. ;) ;) Nite twinnie. Watch out for those pm,s lol. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 04:25:12 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 03:52:18 pm
I'm always complimentary... June.  Have you spent a single Euro ?

LOL!  :D

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 04:26:53 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 02, 2006, 04:19:19 pm
Right you lot I,m off for the nite. Sweet dreams. ;) ;) Nite twinnie. Watch out for those pm,s lol. ;) ;) ;D

Nite J  ;D  Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet dreams!!   ;)   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 04:28:49 pm
Milli ~ Once again I totally LOVE your L-Word banner  *jealous*  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 04:32:08 pm
Louise, I'm really really excited about the post-legbone chapter that we have to look forward to!  Thanks for letting us know about that, gives us something to think about.  ;)   You know, it was nice to see Mr Coyote come out to play today so I'm hoping we see more of him too....

I'm just so happy that the ceremony went ahead and all is well with the wonderful Ennis and Ellery. It was such a great chapter, Louise - funny and touching all at the same time, and you do that so well.

As I love this story so much, I hope to start joinging in the "re-read" on Monday, I think that will be great fun.  Any excuse to read your wonderful writing again.

Oh and have to say I felt for Nick when Dupree told him he was going out on a date with Paula...I know that Dupree is confused, and I really feel for him, but to hear Dupree say that, that must have hurt, not only his feelings but his ego.  I know Dupree was trying to be reassuring, I know if I'd been Nick, I wouldnt have felt that convinced.  

Its a terrible thing to say, but I am just hoping that the date is a complete disaster.  God, I'm such a bitch.  :-\
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 04:34:41 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 02, 2006, 03:41:09 pm
Hehehehe we just knew you loved us really lol. See June? Whatever would they do without us, eh? eh? eh?  ;) ;) ;D

I just got to say, souxi, that your posts are so entertaining and really help brighten my day.  I have to say I always agree with everything you say, too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 04:37:31 pm
I went to see "Happy Feet" today. For those who dont know, its an animated film about a confused little penguin called Mumble, who cant sing but can dance like nothing else, and his daddy is played by our very own Hugh Jackman.  He sings a version of "Kiss" by Prince with Nicole Kidman who plays his wife.   That Hugh sure can sing.  Its such a sweet film, and the music is rocking...me and my 3 yr old daughter were dancing and clapping away, having a great time. 



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 04:41:16 pm
Quote from: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 04:32:08 pm
 

Its a terrible thing to say, but I am just hoping that the date is a complete disaster.  God, I'm such a bitch.  :-\

hahahaha.  Well you will see Mr. Coyote again before you see the A.D.A., because I am writing the Epilogue first.  I don't know if I will be starting "Dupree's Choice" tomorrow, I think it depends on how many bowls of these gluten free cornflakes I am eating tonight. I feel a bit woozy already!

Cheers, and see you tomorrow!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 04:46:46 pm
Quote from: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 04:37:31 pm
I went to see "Happy Feet" today. For those who dont know, its an animated film about a confused little penguin called Mumble, who cant sing but can dance like nothing else, and his daddy is played by our very own Hugh Jackman.  He sings a version of "Kiss" by Prince with Nicole Kidman who plays his wife.   That Hugh sure can sing.  Its such a sweet film, and the music is rocking...me and my 3 yr old daughter were dancing and clapping away, having a great time. 





Awww ~ I wanna go see it too! An LJ friend of mine made a bunch of Happy Feet icons for her friends and they are just so cute!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 04:47:54 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 11:48:19 am
Sheriff ~ can I just say I really love your 'accent'!  :D  It's just great!

 ;D

Another one bowled over by the Rolandisms!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 04:48:21 pm
Quote from: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 04:32:08 pm

Its a terrible thing to say, but I am just hoping that the date is a complete disaster.  God, I'm such a bitch.  :-\

Me too ~ guess that makes me one too!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on December 02, 2006, 05:07:59 pm
My word everyone, it has been busy round here!  :o

I can't believe that this is the end of the saga. I know that there is more to come, but you know...  :( No more daily fix  :(

I like the idea of a co-ordinated re-reading. We all came to this story at different times, so it would be nice to do the journey again at the same time.

I understand why Dupree wants to go on the date with Paula, one last test to see if he feels anything in that direction. Not easy for Nick to hear. Blimey, he's understanding. Think my reaction would have been a little less so. A lot less so in fact. With swearing and slamming of doors.  ;)

I'm glad the girls made it for the ceremony. They are Ennis' flesh and blood. The ceremony was lovely, and the vows were special in their simplicity (couldn't have imagined either of them gushing).

Is it really over?  :'(

Karen (feeling a bit deflated)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on December 02, 2006, 05:08:41 pm
Oh, and Edna fainting  :laugh:

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 05:08:49 pm
“We didn’t need a whole damn poem,” Ennis muttered, embarrassed.

Well ya gettin’ one anyway!

Delmarriage Day

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/caketopper2.jpg)

The wedding bells are ringing
Although they have not rung
The choir is flat out singing
Athough no-one has sung

No church nor congregation
nor priest nor horse and carriage
No wedding invitations
for this special marriage

No need for bells and choirs
and all that paraphernalia
Just two tuxedos hired
as wedding day regalia

Ennis and Ellery pledge their vows
to love each other ever more
We wish them well, drink to their health
(No problem with regard to wealth!)
and happy days galore!

The cake is cut
The two grooms kiss
their faces all aglow with bliss
They toast each other
Ennis blushes
Suddenly the gathering hushes
as Ellery grabs his lover’s ass
and Ennis makes a sudden pass

Dr Sampson checks the ear
and then declares it leg bone clear
Ennis and Ellery disappear
to check each other's wedding gear

Wes and Edna thank the guests
for witnessing the wedding
The Bettermost Bunch act up like pests
as witnesses to the bedding!


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 02, 2006, 05:15:12 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 05:08:49 pm

Dr Sampson checks the ear
and then declares it leg bone clear
Ennis and Ellery disappear
to check each other's wedding gear


 :laugh:  :laugh:
priceless Jo!

thank you
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 05:17:24 pm
that poem was brilliant!  Summed up the day perfectly!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 05:18:27 pm
oh good god, Jo!  what a poem!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on December 02, 2006, 05:21:12 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 05:08:49 pm
Wes and Edna thank the guests
for witnessing the wedding
The Bettermost Bunch act up like pests
as witnesses to the bedding![/center]



Jo - that was priceless.  :laugh:

June/Souxi - hope you know who the last two lines refer to?

Karen

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 05:23:48 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 05:08:49 pm
“We didn’t need a whole damn poem,” Ennis muttered, embarrassed.

Well ya getting’ one anyway!

Delmarriage Day


This lady is so damn talented!
Cheers Jo!!   8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 05:23:59 pm
Quote from: Kazza on December 02, 2006, 05:21:12 pm


Jo - that was priceless.  :laugh:

June/Souxi - hope you know who the last two lines refer to?

Karen



Heh heh Karen! RLMAO!

Absolutely wonderful, Jo! Thanks so much  :) You're so talented  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 05:40:10 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 04:28:49 pm
Milli ~ Once again I totally LOVE your L-Word banner  *jealous*  ;D


I hope I can make more with a bunch of avatars .. Will let you know when!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 05:47:04 pm
Friends Group Testing:

I just posted the first portion of the Epilogue and set it to Friends Only.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/160979.html

THIS IS NOT FINISHED.

If you cannot see this entry, please do the following:

send me a PM with your LJ name, and I will FRIEND you.


You may wish to FRIEND me so that we are MUTUALLY FRIENDED.

You do this as follows:

go to louisev.livejournal.com
At the top of the page click "Add as a friend"

And that is all you need to do to add me as a friend.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 05:56:05 pm
Thanks folks. Glad you all liked the poem!

I don't think we settled on a final definition of delmarriage. Richard does this fit your specification?

Delmarriage – having staggered out of bed in a state of unsatisfied arousal, the groom hurriedly dons a tuxedo, greets the local sheriff and his wife, utters “I belong ta you” and collapses back into bed in the same state of unsatisfied arousal. The other groom, having jerked off, does likewise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 05:57:00 pm
footnote for those of you who feel like you had Coyote Interruptus by reading the first portion of the Epilogue:

I recommend a refresher course in Mr. Coyote, by going to:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/70006.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 06:13:08 pm
Quote from: Lucise on December 02, 2006, 05:40:10 pm

I hope I can make more with a bunch of avatars .. Will let you know when!  :)

And may I use one of the banners then?? *keeps fingers crossed and looks at Milli hopefully*

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 06:14:31 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 05:56:05 pm
Thanks folks. Glad you all liked the poem!

I don't think we settled on a final definition of delmarriage. Richard does this fit your specification?

Delmarriage – having staggered out of bed in a state of unsatisfied arousal, the groom hurriedly dons a tuxedo, greets the local sheriff and his wife, utters “I belong ta you” and collapses back into bed in the same state of unsatisfied arousal. The other groom, having jerked off, does likewise.

PMSL! I like this!!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on December 02, 2006, 06:23:07 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 05:56:05 pm
Thanks folks. Glad you all liked the poem!

I don't think we settled on a final definition of delmarriage. Richard does this fit your specification?

Delmarriage – having staggered out of bed in a state of unsatisfied arousal, the groom hurriedly dons a tuxedo, greets the local sheriff and his wife, utters “I belong ta you” and collapses back into bed in the same state of unsatisfied arousal. The other groom, having jerked off, does likewise.

Hi Jo. Excellent definition. That seems to capture the spirit of the event exactly. Great poem, too, BTW. Everyone seems to be in celebratory mood today!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 02, 2006, 06:28:02 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 06:13:08 pm
And may I use one of the banners then?? *keeps fingers crossed and looks at Milli hopefully*

 ;D

But of course June!   ;)


Right, people, I'm off! 
I figured today is a good a day as any to start doing some Christmas shopping ..
so far all the gifts I have purchased have been for me..me..me..lol, so time to start getting stuff for others ..

Y'all be good now, behave yerselves ..  ;D

Can't wait to check out the epilogue tonight!
Cheerio!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 06:44:17 pm
good luck in the big shopping world, Milli. I have given up shopping for good, except of it is at a German Christmas market.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 07:04:08 pm
Hi everyone,
I have been lurking here for quite some time and now that I saw you might have a re-read of the LS, I finally gathered up the courage to join, so I could have something to pass the time with, until I will be able to read Dupree's Choice.  :)
I hope you won't mind my mistakes in English too much, it's not my mother tongue after all.

Louise,
thank you so much for your story, I always enjoyed reading it so much since I discovered it (you were at "Taking Chances" chapter 62 then) and it really helped me overcome my BBM-depression after seeing the movie in the theatres in March.
I know this might sound a bit weird, because you don't know me at all, but I also wanted to say I hope you had a nice birthday today (I'm still in time for birthday wishes, if just barely ;)). I mean, I've been loving your story for such a long time now, that I kinda feel I can say Happy Birthday nonetheless. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 02, 2006, 07:07:46 pm
Quote from: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 07:04:08 pm
Hi everyone,
I have been lurking here for quite some time and now that I saw you might have a re-read of the LS, I finally gathered up the courage to join, so I could have something to pass the time with, until I will be able to read Dupree's Choice.  :)
I hope you won't mind my mistakes in English too much, it's not my mother tongue after all.

Louise,
thank you so much for your story, I always enjoyed reading it so much since I discovered it (you were at "Taking Chances" chapter 62 then) and it really helped me overcome my BBM-depression after seeing the movie in the theatres in March.
I know this might sound a bit weird, because you don't know me at all, but I also wanted to say I hope you had a nice birthday today (I'm still in time for birthday wishes, if just barely ;)). I mean, I've been loving your story for such a long time now, that I kinda feel I can say Happy Birthday nonetheless. :)

Welcome Lhuthiel! English isn't my native tongue either so you won't be the only one making mistakes!  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 07:08:23 pm
Lhuthiel:

If you send me your LJ name I can friend you so you can read the work in progress as well as the Epilogue in progress.  (Unless Ive already done that.)

And thank you for the birthday wishes!!!

Sind Sie Deutsch?
Etes-vous Francais?

I speak German and French if you need to change languages sometimes!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 02, 2006, 07:11:11 pm
Quote from: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 07:04:08 pm
Hi everyone,
I have been lurking here for quite some time and now that I saw you might have a re-read of the LS, I finally gathered up the courage to join, so I could have something to pass the time with, until I will be able to read Dupree's Choice.  :)
I hope you won't mind my mistakes in English too much, it's not my mother tongue after all.

Louise,
thank you so much for your story, I always enjoyed reading it so much since I discovered it (you were at "Taking Chances" chapter 62 then) and it really helped me overcome my BBM-depression after seeing the movie in the theatres in March.
I know this might sound a bit weird, because you don't know me at all, but I also wanted to say I hope you had a nice birthday today (I'm still in time for birthday wishes, if just barely ;)). I mean, I've been loving your story for such a long time now, that I kinda feel I can say Happy Birthday nonetheless. :)

Hi Lhuthiel  :) Welcome!  Nice to see you here  :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 07:16:00 pm
yes, we have many 2nd language speakers here... belbbmfan is Belgian, Bigheart is Dutch, I'm American - hehheheh... opinionista is Puerto Rican/Spanish, so we are from everywhere in this chat!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 07:24:56 pm
Thanks for the warm welcome opinionista, Louise and Bigheart, I already feel much better (I'm always so nervous about registering anywhere). :)
It's also nice to know I'm not the only one who might have language difficulties.
And yes, Louise, I'm German, how did you guess? Anyway, it's even better to know, there's someone to ask on language problems. :)
I just opened up a LJ account on the same name as here, I would be real grateful, if it's possilble you friend me.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 07:34:42 pm
Sicher!

I have added you as a Friend, Lhuthiel, so you should be able to see the Epilogue.  It is not yet complete.

And I did not guess you were German - I was hoping!

Ich wohne in Saarbrücken - wo wohnen Sie?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 07:51:43 pm
Thank you so much for friending me, I will go read what is up of your Epilogue before I go to bed. I have to admit I saw hard times coming up without updates from you for a longer time from now.
Ich wohne in Berlin. Ich war noch nie in Saarbrücken (um genau zu sein, kenne ich kaum andere Städte in Deutschland). Wohnen Sie dort schon lange?
(Should I post a translation of this? Not that it's relevant information or anything, I just don't want people to have to wonder what I'm writing here.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 08:06:52 pm
nah I'll translate:

He said he lives in Berlin and has never been in Saarbrücken, and asked if I have been here a while.

I have never been to Berlin either! But I am an American.  I have been here since August of 2005.

What do you mean you saw hard times coming up without updates?  I don't expect there will be a break in my updates.  I am just slowing down and writing short stories now to finish up the remaining themes and subjects left over from the Saga.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 08:21:55 pm
I meant to say, I saw hard times coming up without updates when I wasn't friended yet, because being not friended, I would have had to wait with reading on (at least that is how I understood it). I'm sure glad I can just read on now and that there won't be a break in your updates.
I will go read now,
gute Nacht. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 08:23:09 pm
The updates will still be made public.  But I will only be making them public when they are completed - once a week or two weeks!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on December 02, 2006, 08:31:15 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 07:16:00 pm
yes, we have many 2nd language speakers here... belbbmfan is Belgian, Bigheart is Dutch, I'm American - hehheheh... opinionista is Puerto Rican/Spanish, so we are from everywhere in this chat!

Hey louise - ya forgettin' me - I speak "Ennis" - don't that count as a secon language?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 08:32:44 pm
......whoooopsie.... sorry Sheriff.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 02, 2006, 08:41:17 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 07:16:00 pm
yes, we have many 2nd language speakers here... belbbmfan is Belgian, Bigheart is Dutch, I'm American - hehheheh... opinionista is Puerto Rican/Spanish, so we are from everywhere in this chat!

Louise, you have forgotten me, too.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 02, 2006, 08:41:46 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 08:23:09 pm
The updates will still be made public.  But I will only be making them public when they are completed - once a week or two weeks!

TWO WEEKS?    :o    <Faints!>   Thud!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 02, 2006, 08:42:54 pm
Oops!   almost forgot to change the sign!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 08:45:47 pm
Quote from: yb on December 02, 2006, 08:41:17 pm
Louise, you have forgotten me, too.

I don't know what your native language is...!  Mandarin, Cantonese?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 08:46:44 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 02, 2006, 08:41:46 pm
TWO WEEKS?    :o    <Faints!>   Thud!

David, it's okay, you're friended.  You can still refresh and watch me typity type type.  Besides, the Rereaders are starting up Monday!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 02, 2006, 08:48:08 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 08:45:47 pm
I don't know what your native language is...!  Mandarin, Cantonese?

Speaking in Cantonese, writing in Chinese.

BTW, Louise, is LS considered completed now that you are working on the Epilogue?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 08:50:26 pm
Quote from: yb on December 02, 2006, 08:48:08 pm
Speaking in Cantonese, writing in Chinese.

BTW, Louise, is LS considered completed now that you are working on the Epilogue?



Yes, "Accessories Before the Fact" was the last "regular" chapter, and the Epilogue will be the final chapter of the Saga proper.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 02, 2006, 09:40:55 pm
I'm back, after a long and busy day.

At this moment, Hugh is on TV as Van Helsing, so I'm watching his sexiness with his long, flowing locks.  Mmmmm.....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 02, 2006, 10:04:04 pm
*Huuuuuughhhhhh*

Quick, I need some overnight Hughdity!

And yes, it is 3 a.m.!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 10:42:55 pm
Quote from: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 07:24:56 pm
Thanks for the warm welcome opinionista, Louise and Bigheart, I already feel much better (I'm always so nervous about registering anywhere). :)
It's also nice to know I'm not the only one who might have language difficulties.
And yes, Louise, I'm German, how did you guess? Anyway, it's even better to know, there's someone to ask on language problems. :)
I just opened up a LJ account on the same name as here, I would be real grateful, if it's possilble you friend me.

Willcommen Lhuthiel!

You and Louise should have great fun shopping at Christmas in Germany. How well I remember those magical little Christmas shops like those I saw in Nuremberg filled with tiny figurines of hundreds of different kind of gnomes and snowmen and Father Christmases in every conceivable design, multi-coloured fairy lights and glittering Christmas decorations and much else. I wandered around them like a child again!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 10:54:08 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 10:04:04 pm
*Huuuuuughhhhhh*

Quick, I need some overnight Hughdity!

And yes, it is 3 a.m.!


Some emergency Hugh.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hughhugh.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on December 02, 2006, 11:48:01 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 01, 2006, 08:44:31 pm
no you aren't late, my birthday is the 2nd.  So - it is just barely the 2nd!!!  and thank you!

though I'm late for Germany, but still
                                                     
    (http://www.adalex.ca/adalex/sisi/zoznamka.png)


   I wish you  all the best dear Louise,               
   love and happiness.
   Very, very Happy Birthday
   Sy...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 03, 2006, 01:06:51 am
Quote from: magicmountain on December 02, 2006, 10:54:08 pm

Some emergency Hugh.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hughhugh.jpg)

This is a perfect photo of Ellery Cantrell, it'll be a perfect manip of E&E if we could find a photo of Heath in similar pose and in black.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 03, 2006, 01:23:32 am
I couldn't resist this.
Click on the link and then scroll down to see the name of the village.   :laugh:   ;)  Cute!

http://www.thevillages.com/homes/vls/detail4.asp?vls=203056
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on December 03, 2006, 02:50:34 am
Quote from: louisev on December 02, 2006, 01:09:48 pm
*SPOILER*


It was my intention to write a silly wedding ceremony, and I hope I succeeded.  Complete with blowing noses and fainting.

Ahhh - one  appropriate ceremony!, I knew you was not going let the girls miss the ceremony - private family ceremony

I missed all celebratory busy day here but found wonderful 3 chapters . They are like appetizers, making me hungry to know more about  our all adorable sex maniacs' destinies
Well ??? there is one person I would prefer to not hear about - Paula S. only " It doesn't feel right with her."
Lets see...

I can’t believe saga is ending, it doesn’t feel like that, more it feels like all those lively people (can’t even name them-characters) from Laramie are going forever to stay with us create their own never ending stories through the life. At least for quite a  while longer, which’s gonna be...so happy, happy :D :D
Thank you Louise for  healing the achy hearts after BBM.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on December 03, 2006, 03:54:21 am
Quote from: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 07:04:08 pm
Hi everyone,
I have been lurking here for quite some time and now that I saw you might have a re-read of the LS, I finally gathered up the courage to join, so I could have something to pass the time with, until I will be able to read Dupree's Choice.  :)
I hope you won't mind my mistakes in English too much, it's not my mother tongue after all.


Heya Lhuthiel,

Greetings from another non- english speaker. Nice to have you aboard.

I speak Hungarian, and am pretty fluent in Hebrew , too.

I can't wait for Dupree's choice, either. Of course, I just don't see why he actually has to make a choice.... until he does, Louise will probably continue writing.. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 03, 2006, 04:28:13 am
Quote from: christie wood on December 02, 2006, 04:34:41 pm
I just got to say, souxi, that your posts are so entertaining and really help brighten my day.  I have to say I always agree with everything you say, too.

Awwwwwwww Christie, thank you hun. Mwahhhhhhhh. :-* :-* *sniff*. Me and June dont mean to get carried away, it,s just that we get overexcited, dont we June? ;D ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 03, 2006, 04:31:37 am
Mornin peeps, mornin twinnie. What a bloody orrible day it is today. Peeing with rain, gales...bloody orrible it is. >:( I,m gonna sit here and think about what our boys are finally gettin up too. to brighten the day up. Mind you, if I do that, I shant be capable of doing much else because I shall wander around in a dazed state all day lol. Which, thinking about it, is pretty normal for me these days lol. ;D I blame Louise entirely for that of course.  ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 03, 2006, 04:56:09 am
Quote from: synne on December 03, 2006, 02:50:34 am
Ahhh - one  appropriate ceremony!, I knew you was not going let the girls miss the ceremony - private family ceremony

I missed all celebratory busy day here but found wonderful 3 chapters . They are like appetizers, making me hungry to know more about  our all adorable sex maniacs' destinies
Well ??? there is one person I would prefer to not hear about - Paula S. only " It doesn't feel right with her."
Lets see...

I can’t believe saga is ending, it doesn’t feel like that, more it feels like all those lively people (can’t even name them-characters) from Laramie are going forever to stay with us create their own never ending stories through the life. At least for quite a  while longer, which’s gonna be...so happy, happy :D :D
Thank you Louise for  healing the achy hearts after BBM.


Maybe we should rename the saga Desperate Ranch Hands or Lost (and Found!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 03, 2006, 05:18:32 am
"And now what, what do I do now? Dupree rubbed himself raw with the washcloth as he puzzled over what to do about Nick, his surprising declaration at the car, the passionate lovemaking... the intense emotions and physical sensations... He sagged against the dripping wall of the shower, overwhelmed."

Interesting situation with Dupree and Nick. Jeremy is still in the midst of coming to terms with his sexuality and the affect of his intense sexual experiences with Nick. He is far too emotionally up in the air to deal with Nick's declaration of falling in love in addition to this and he is also in no state to decide his attitude towards women on the basis of his forthcoming date. The physical has galloped miles ahead if the emotional. Just my opinion.

He needs time out in a big way but will he get it?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 06:17:22 am
Quote from: souxi on December 03, 2006, 04:28:13 am
Awwwwwwww Christie, thank you hun. Mwahhhhhhhh. :-* :-* *sniff*. Me and June dont mean to get carried away, it,s just that we get overexcited, dont we June? ;D ;)

Mornin twinnie  :-*

Yeah ~ and I blame my overexcitement entirely on you!!!  :P  ;)  ;)

Nothing in my inbox.....no dreams then eh??  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 07:00:58 am
And it's bloody horrible weather here too  :(  Stormy and cold, YUCK!!  SO.....I think I'm off to "Anything Goes" now..... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 03, 2006, 07:01:35 am
Quote from: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 06:17:22 am
Mornin twinnie  :-*

Yeah ~ and I blame my overexcitement entirely on you!!!  :P  ;)  ;)

Nothing in my inbox.....no dreams then eh??  ;D

Moi? What do I do then? I,m a good girl I am.  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 07:04:39 am
Quote from: souxi on December 03, 2006, 07:01:35 am
Moi? What do I do then? I,m a good girl I am.  ;) ;) ;D


Whaaaaa??! Get outta here J!!  ::)  ;)  Hahahahaha ~ and you aint fooling nobody either with that lovely Angel pic!  ::)  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 03, 2006, 07:13:36 am
Quote from: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 07:04:39 am
Whaaaaa??! Get outta here J!!  ::)  ;)  Hahahahaha ~ and you aint fooling nobody either with that lovely Angel pic!  ::)  :P

But, but but, but, I am, honest June.look at those big blue eyes. ;)  ;)
(http://bestsmileys.com/angles/12.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 03, 2006, 07:27:05 am
Acceptance

   It finally hit me this morning.    The need to concluded the Laramie Saga.    The Wedding kiss was it.   Ennis was happy now.   He has accepted his homosexuality by openly kissing Ellery in front of people.     

   All objectives were met.   

From the beginning: 
Ennis meets Ellery.   
Ellery finds Jacks killer.   
Ennis has his closure with Jack on the Mountain.
Ennis accepts his love for Ellery
The Wedding.

   And of course along the way we got to meet many new colourful characters.   Plus we got to mix in a few old ones.   Ma Twist, His daughters, even Alma.

   But now that Ennis is at this happy juncture we need to move onto new characters.     We don't need to be with E&E 24/7 anymore.    They are going to do just fine on there own.    Oh I'm sure Louisev will have Dupree interact with E&E plenty still.      I doubt Ellery will sell the Red Stallion anytime soon.   Ennis wouldn't let him!   He enjoys working there despite his complaints.   

   But readers are now foaming at the mouth (and pants) at the new adventures of Jeremy Dupree.    It just makes sense to refocus the story there.    So the Laramie Saga is over.  Time to pass the torch to the new stud in town.    I have finally accepted that this is not so much an ending, but the beginning of something new and delicious.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 07:28:38 am
Quote from: souxi on December 03, 2006, 07:13:36 am
But, but but, but, I am, honest June.look at those big blue eyes. ;)  ;)
(http://bestsmileys.com/angles/12.gif)

Hmmmm ~ well....alright then, I guess...but I'm still not entirely convinced twinnie  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 03, 2006, 07:39:16 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 03, 2006, 07:27:05 am
Acceptance

   It finally hit me this morning.    The need to concluded the Laramie Saga.    The Wedding kiss was it.   Ennis was happy now.   He has accepted his homosexuality by openly kissing Ellery in front of people.     

   All objectives were met.   

From the beginning: 
Ennis meets Ellery.   
Ellery finds Jacks killer.   
Ennis has his closure with Jack on the Mountain.
Ennis accepts his love for Ellery
The Wedding.

   And of course along the way we got to meet many new colourful characters.   Plus we got to mix in a few old ones.   Ma Twist, His daughters, even Alma.

   But now that Ennis is at this happy juncture we need to move onto new characters.     We don't need to be with E&E 24/7 anymore.    They are going to do just fine on there own.    Oh I'm sure Louisev will have Dupree interact with E&E plenty still.      I doubt Ellery will sell the Red Stallion anytime soon.   Ennis wouldn't let him!   He enjoys working there despite his complaints.   

   But readers are now foaming at the mouth (and pants) at the new adventures of Jeremy Dupree.    It just makes sense to refocus the story there.    So the Laramie Saga is over.  Time to pass the torch to the new stud in town.    I have finally accepted that this is not so much an ending, but the beginning of something new and delicious.




Another objective met: Ennis came out to his daughters, and they have embraced him just the way he is and also Ellery.  And I agree with you David, now it is time to pass the torch to the new stud in town: Jeremy Dupree.  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 03, 2006, 07:43:39 am
I hope it is not too late for some more Hughdity goodness  ;D   :P
(We need a drooling smiley)



(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hugh_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 03, 2006, 07:50:01 am
Quote from: opinionista on December 03, 2006, 07:39:16 am
 ... And I agree with you David, now it is time to pass the torch to the new stud in town: Jeremy Dupree.  :D

    "You bet!"

Let's just hope that he makes the right choice real soon.

Hint hint...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 07:54:12 am
I agree too  :D

Sweet, David, real sweeeeeet....... ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 03, 2006, 08:05:46 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 03, 2006, 07:50:01 am
    "You bet!"

Let's just hope that he makes the right choice real soon.

Hint hint...

Exactly right David. How could he possibly want that 6ft twig when he,s got THAT!! :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 03, 2006, 08:15:43 am
Exactly!    I was shocked when he agreed to go out to dinner with ADA Paula.

Especially after that first night with Nick Sampson.   And now after the second night with Nick, plus Nicks "I'm falling for you" confession, how could he possibly keep that date??

He should just call her and tell her that he has reconsidered because it is improper to date a person he will need to interact with in court.     Which is absolutely true!   She could not disagree with that reasoning. 

If he made the date before even meeting Nick, well that might be different.   He could justify it as the fact she pressured him to do so, and to keep himself in the closet at work he goes on the date.    Even then he could just not make a second date telling her whatever excuse he wanted.   "Improper", "No spark"  etc.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 08:21:27 am
*rubs eyes*  *takes headache tablets*

My goodness you folks have been busy overnight.  I just spent the last half-hour friending a bunch of lurkers who want to see the "works in progress"!  My my!  I had no idea how many lurkers there were!

And now, down to writing the gettin fancy stuff.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 03, 2006, 08:22:50 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 03, 2006, 08:15:43 am
Exactly!    I was shocked when he agreed to go out to dinner with ADA Paula.

Especially after that first night with Nick Sampson.   And now after the second night with Nick, plus Nicks "I'm falling for you" confession, how could he possibly keep that date??

He should just call her and tell her that he has reconsidered because it is improper to date a person he will need to interact with in court.     Which is absolutely true!   She could not disagree with that reasoning. 

If he made the date before even meeting Nick, well that might be different.   He could justify it as the fact she pressured him to do so, and to keep himself in the closet at work he goes on the date.    Even then he could just not make a second date telling her whatever excuse he wanted.   "Improper", "No spark"  etc.

I can see the reasoning behind what he,s doing by dating her, but IMO there is no contest. Hot Nick wins everytime over the twig lol. What a body!! :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 03, 2006, 08:24:19 am
Quote from: louisev on December 03, 2006, 08:21:27 am
*rubs eyes*  *takes headache tablets*

My goodness you folks have been busy overnight.  I just spent the last half-hour friending a bunch of lurkers who want to see the "works in progress"!  My my!  I had no idea how many lurkers there were!

And now, down to writing the gettin fancy stuff.

Morning Louise.

Woooweeee, here comes the HOT stuff guys lol. June, get that fan and the smelling salts at the ready lol. ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 08:28:16 am
*OKAY*

Everyone who asked to be friended HAS BEEN Friended.You should be able to see the Epilogue chapter now, as unfinished as it is.  I'll be remedying that shortly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 03, 2006, 08:40:50 am
Quote from: opinionista on December 03, 2006, 07:43:39 am
I hope it is not too late for some more Hughdity goodness  ;D   :P
(We need a drooling smiley)



(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hugh_01.jpg)

He's beyond beautiful - but where did he get that swimming costume? It's on a par with Ennis' pyjamas!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 03, 2006, 08:46:10 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 03, 2006, 07:27:05 am
Acceptance

   It finally hit me this morning.    The need to concluded the Laramie Saga.    The Wedding kiss was it.   Ennis was happy now.   He has accepted his homosexuality by openly kissing Ellery in front of people.     

   All objectives were met.   

From the beginning: 
Ennis meets Ellery.   
Ellery finds Jacks killer.   
Ennis has his closure with Jack on the Mountain.
Ennis accepts his love for Ellery
The Wedding.

   And of course along the way we got to meet many new colourful characters.   Plus we got to mix in a few old ones.   Ma Twist, His daughters, even Alma.

   But now that Ennis is at this happy juncture we need to move onto new characters.     We don't need to be with E&E 24/7 anymore.    They are going to do just fine on there own.    Oh I'm sure Louisev will have Dupree interact with E&E plenty still.      I doubt Ellery will sell the Red Stallion anytime soon.   Ennis wouldn't let him!   He enjoys working there despite his complaints.   

   But readers are now foaming at the mouth (and pants) at the new adventures of Jeremy Dupree.    It just makes sense to refocus the story there.    So the Laramie Saga is over.  Time to pass the torch to the new stud in town.    I have finally accepted that this is not so much an ending, but the beginning of something new and delicious.




Thanks for that rationale David. As Milli would say - we push forward! (Or is that something Nick would say?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 03, 2006, 08:47:12 am
Here ya go June. If you need reviving afterwards:  ;) ;) ;) ;D

 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 08:56:14 am
I would like to belatedly announce (I thought about this yesterday, in fact, but so many people seemed to be out of town or busy) a Finale Party in Chat.

I will be here from now (8 a.m. Eastern time) till about 8 p.m. Eastern tonight, and welcome those who are celebrating the completion of the Laramie Saga and the sixth volume, "The Red Stallion" to join me as I finish writing the Epilogue and we discuss the plots and plans going forward.

Party will be held in the FanFiction room on the OLD chat (Blue button)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 03, 2006, 08:56:52 am
Quote from: magicmountain on December 03, 2006, 08:46:10 am
Thanks for that rationale David. As Milli would say - we push forward! (Or is that something Nick would say?)

Ha ha ha!    Yes, right when Jeremy says : "MORE!"    ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 09:07:06 am
you guys liked that game of "More," eh?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 03, 2006, 09:09:15 am
Quote from: louisev on December 03, 2006, 09:07:06 am
you guys liked that game of "More," eh?

We certainly did Louise. ;D Maybe our boys are going to play a few games of their own today? HOT games of course. Poor dears, they must be desperate lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D (not to mention us of course) ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 09:16:11 am
*yep, workin on it.*

Did you see the invitation Souxi?  Why not come and say hi today?  Maybe June will stop by too and we can all chatty chat chat while I typity type type?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 03, 2006, 09:34:19 am
Quote from: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 07:04:08 pm
Hi everyone,
I have been lurking here for quite some time and now that I saw you might have a re-read of the LS, I finally gathered up the courage to join, so I could have something to pass the time with, until I will be able to read Dupree's Choice.  :)
I hope you won't mind my mistakes in English too much, it's not my mother tongue after all.

Louise,
thank you so much for your story, I always enjoyed reading it so much since I discovered it (you were at "Taking Chances" chapter 62 then) and it really helped me overcome my BBM-depression after seeing the movie in the theatres in March.


hi Lhuthiel,
welcome  :)

english isn't my mother tongue either (it's Dutch), but never mind about that. This is a very friendly, funny group of people. I love it here.

And you're so right, reading the saga has sure made a difference. I started reading the story when louise was already writing the third book. So i'm really pleased we'll start discussing it from the beginning.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 09:37:11 am
for anyone who wants to join the chat - when you go into the chat room you are at the "Campfire."

Click on the menu at the top of the blue screen and you will see other rooms there.  Select "Fan Fiction" and you will get to us.  If you don't know what to do someone will come out and get you if you stick around!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 10:21:05 am
Quote from: souxi on December 03, 2006, 08:47:12 am
Here ya go June. If you need reviving afterwards:  ;) ;) ;) ;D

 

PMSL!

Thanks sweet twinnie!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 03, 2006, 10:22:26 am
Poor Nick.   What a pouty expression on him since Jeremy told him about his date with ADA Paula.      

Here he is trying to entice our young detective with that sad, pouty look.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 10:23:14 am
and now the Finale:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/160979.html  "Epilogue:  In Sickness and in Health"

please join us for a celebratory glass of champagne in the Fan Fiction Chat Room!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 10:25:22 am
Quote from: louisev on December 03, 2006, 09:07:06 am
you guys liked that game of "More," eh?

Oh Yeah!! I love, LOVE, LOVED it!!  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 03, 2006, 10:28:53 am
Thanks for the Honeymoon Louisev!!!

      If that was the last chapter, are we not getting the reception??     Or is that how we will begin the next book : Duprees Choice"  ??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Sheriff Roland on December 03, 2006, 10:51:49 am
david, they've all moved inta chat - afraid there might be over-crowdin happenin there this mornin - so I left ta make room for more avid fans
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 11:13:44 am
The reception will be covered in a separate story.  The Epilogue occurs the day Ennis gets his legbone out, and the reception has to be after that.  So that will come after.

But first I am going to write the next story, "Dupree's Choice."

I will be starting it right away, i.e. tonight or tomorrow.  But right now, as the Sheriff says, we are all in chat and talking about plots and future plans!  and there are quite a few of us there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 11:30:49 am

A note about the Finale:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/161261.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 03, 2006, 11:44:27 am
PHEW!     When you said that was the final chapter,  I thought you were going to skip the Reception!

Thanks for clearing that up.     :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 11:59:35 am
also, (I may eat these words later) you CAN make story requests.  If I think I can do it - I will.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 03, 2006, 12:03:16 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 03, 2006, 11:59:35 am
also, (I may eat these words later) you CAN make story requests.  If I think I can do it - I will.

The wheels are turning in my head already........<big grin>
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 12:10:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 03, 2006, 11:59:35 am
also, (I may eat these words later) you CAN make story requests.  If I think I can do it - I will.

Oh WOW Louise!! *puts thinking cap on*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 03, 2006, 12:14:31 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 03, 2006, 11:59:35 am
also, (I may eat these words later) you CAN make story requests.  If I think I can do it - I will.

OK!   Done!    Louisev "You've got mail" 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on December 03, 2006, 01:55:21 pm
Quote from: RonitR on December 03, 2006, 03:54:21 am
Heya Lhuthiel,

Greetings from another non- english speaker. Nice to have you aboard.

I speak Hungarian, and am pretty fluent in Hebrew , too.

I can't wait for Dupree's choice, either. Of course, I just don't see why he actually has to make a choice.... until he does, Louise will probably continue writing.. ;)



Hi everybody , Hi  Lhuthiel,

 Hello Ronit

Are you actually saying you are from Hungary? Then I was your northern neighbor! Here around Toronto we are all  thoroughly mixed up and my best friend is Hungarian. I didn't realize, until I met her, how many words from your language I've known ( my grandparents spoke Hungarian but never taught me). I speak Slovak Czech and Russian.

we are nice mix here :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 02:25:26 pm
Quote from: synne on December 03, 2006, 01:55:21 pm

Hi everybody

we are nice mix here :)


Hi! Yes, we are and it's great!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on December 03, 2006, 03:04:04 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on December 03, 2006, 05:18:32 am
Interesting situation with Dupree and Nick. Jeremy is still in the midst of coming to terms with his sexuality and the affect of his intense sexual experiences with Nick. He is far too emotionally up in the air to deal with Nick's declaration of falling in love in addition to this and he is also in no state to decide his attitude towards women on the basis of his forthcoming date. The physical has galloped miles ahead if the emotional. Just my opinion.

You raise some interesting points, Louise.  I think you're right that a declaration of love so early in the relationship is overwhelming for Dupree but the confusion he feels and the dominance of the physical seems entirely in proportion to what you would expect.  The early days of relationships are often characterised by spending a lot of time making love, often to the exclusion of all other activities, but at the same time I think the emotional develops alongside this.  The key issue for Dupree is whether he can reconcile his sexual identity, until that happens, he will probably continue to feel ill at ease.  I don't think the issue is so much about his attitude towards women but his own sense of sexual identity and orientation.  And I don't know that sex is necessarily the best way to determine your sexual orientation but I guess for some people it seems like the logical thing to do.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 03, 2006, 03:33:23 pm
Bonjour everyone!!


Just caught up on all the chit-chat in here .. MY!  You lot have been busy!  ;)
Did I miss the Celebratory chat?  :-\

I couldn't drag myself out of bed this morning .. I woke up at 10:30, and stayed in bed watching Clint Eastwood movies (it is "Eastwood day" on Bravo! channel today, so I am in 7th heaven .. 8) ) .. I just finished watching "Bronco Billy", now "The Outlaw Josey Wales" is on .. yeehaw ..   8)


Time to check out the Epilogue!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 03:35:07 pm
we are still in the Celebratory Chat and it will be going strong until I fall over and pass out.

It HAS been a busy day!

Go to OLD chat (Blue button)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 04:25:10 pm
for Lori's question:


Taking Chances              150,481
Looking for Answers        122,081
A Second Chance            145,152
Shelter from the Storm    129,780
Long Way Home             110,315
Red Stallion                    164,551

Total                             822, 360 words.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 03, 2006, 05:02:01 pm
Congratulations, Louise...what a wonderful adventure this has been.


(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1397/louiseplaque13mp9.jpg)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 03, 2006, 05:10:56 pm
Leslie, that is beautiful!  :) :-*

thank you for posting this.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 03, 2006, 05:11:47 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 03, 2006, 05:02:01 pm
Congratulations, Louise...what a wonderful adventure this has been.


Here here!   :) 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 05:16:09 pm
WHOA!!!!

that is beautiful. I see you got some more names on there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 03, 2006, 05:25:37 pm
Aww Milli, Leslie and Jo ~ that is absolutely beautiful  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 03, 2006, 05:27:20 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 03, 2006, 05:16:09 pm
WHOA!!!!

that is beautiful. I see you got some more names on there!

Glad you like it!  ;)

There were some more people who wanted to be added to the last thank you note, and stated so on your LJ .. I hope everyone got added  .. sorry if we missed anyone!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 06:05:28 pm
oh yes I do... your artwork is always so wonderful to look at!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 03, 2006, 06:36:17 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 03, 2006, 05:02:01 pm
Congratulations, Louise...what a wonderful adventure this has been.



Leslie

The plaque is beautiful, an appropriate time to post the updated version now that LS is completed.  Thanks to Leslie, Jo and Lucise for coordinating and making this plaque.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on December 03, 2006, 07:11:40 pm
Quote from: Lucise on December 03, 2006, 05:27:20 pm
Glad you like it!  ;)

There were some more people who wanted to be added to the last thank you note, and stated so on your LJ .. I hope everyone got added  .. sorry if we missed anyone!   :)

Deliciously looking plaque, so sweet from you Lucise

Have you thought  about “afterwedding  reception” invitation cards for whole RS and our band? They would look great the same way ( just popped  in my mind).

I hope we are wlcome there(to see),   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 07:20:55 pm
okay, the Finale Party in Fan Fiction Chat has moved to the New "BETA" Chat room, due to performance problems in the old (Blue) Chat room.  See you there!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 03, 2006, 07:37:21 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 03, 2006, 07:20:55 pm
okay, the Finale Party in Fan Fiction Chat has moved to the New "BETA" Chat room, due to performance problems in the old (Blue) Chat room.  See you there!

Yeah, my computer kept acting up everytime I joined the old chat today .. I'll try the beta!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: full measure on December 03, 2006, 09:04:32 pm
Louise,

What a journey it has been; THANK YOU for letting me ride along! Will be watching for the Reception, and looking forward to comments on the re-read starting tomorrow.  That should be fun, now that I'm more familiar with  the community here! I will have to work hard not to gobblethrough too fast,

KJ (FM)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 03, 2006, 09:46:02 pm
I just need to say this.

I love Ennis.
I love Ellery.
I love Jack.

Thanks, Louise

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 03, 2006, 10:51:04 pm
you are welcome, all of you.  I have had so many messages today, and good wishes, and pm's, and comments... it was like a wedding reception!

It was... absolutely wonderful.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 04, 2006, 01:34:56 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 03, 2006, 08:15:43 am
Exactly!    I was shocked when he agreed to go out to dinner with ADA Paula.

Especially after that first night with Nick Sampson.   And now after the second night with Nick, plus Nicks "I'm falling for you" confession, how could he possibly keep that date??

He should just call her and tell her that he has reconsidered because it is improper to date a person he will need to interact with in court.     Which is absolutely true!   She could not disagree with that reasoning. 

If he made the date before even meeting Nick, well that might be different.   He could justify it as the fact she pressured him to do so, and to keep himself in the closet at work he goes on the date.    Even then he could just not make a second date telling her whatever excuse he wanted.   "Improper", "No spark"  etc.
                           well i must admit that i like nick....he is a beautiful and warm, intelligent, and thoughtful lover,  i hope he is as good as that in other ways as well.  there is no way to think he will be any other way....but poor paula...not too many guys around that arent either married, or gay......whats a girl, whos time clock is ticking to do?                                                    janice



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 04, 2006, 01:40:26 am
Quote from: Lhuthiel on December 02, 2006, 07:51:43 pm
Thank you so much for friending me, I will go read what is up of your Epilogue before I go to bed. I have to admit I saw hard times coming up without updates from you for a longer time from now.
Ich wohne in Berlin. Ich war noch nie in Saarbrücken (um genau zu sein, kenne ich kaum andere Städte in Deutschland). Wohnen Sie dort schon lange?
(Should I post a translation of this? Not that it's relevant information or anything, I just don't want people to have to wonder what I'm writing here.)
                       welcome to the laramie saga, and all the friends you will find here.  you are more than welcome...come by and chat if you ever get the chance...                        janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 04, 2006, 01:43:44 am
Quote from: louisev on December 03, 2006, 10:51:04 pm
you are welcome, all of you.  I have had so many messages today, and good wishes, and pm's, and comments... it was like a wedding reception!

It was... absolutely wonderful.
                              we love you more today than yesterday louise,,,but not as much as tomorrow...                                          thatnk you with all my heart..........janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 04, 2006, 03:26:32 am
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on December 04, 2006, 01:43:44 am
                              we love you more today than yesterday louise,,,but not as much as tomorrow...                                          thatnk you with all my heart..........janice

Aw Janice ~ that's so beautiful  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 04, 2006, 03:59:13 am
Quote from: NavyVet on December 03, 2006, 01:23:32 am
I couldn't resist this.
Click on the link and then scroll down to see the name of the village.   :laugh:   ;)  Cute!

http://www.thevillages.com/homes/vls/detail4.asp?vls=203056
                       very cute and sweet, if only they could live in such a town too...thanks for that one...                                                                                             janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on December 04, 2006, 06:15:33 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 03, 2006, 09:46:02 pm
I just need to say this.

I love Ennis.
I love Ellery.
I love Jack.

Thanks, Louise

L

Leslie, that was beautiful and I am so glad you said it, because its how I feel too. 

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 04, 2006, 06:19:30 am
Quote from: christie wood on December 04, 2006, 06:15:33 am
Leslie, that was beautiful and I am so glad you said it, because its how I feel too. 



Love Ennis, Jack and Ellery - warts and all!

Got a soft spot for Jeremy and Nick as well.

What is it about these boys?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 04, 2006, 06:36:38 am
Quote from: magicmountain on December 04, 2006, 06:19:30 am
Love Ennis, Jack and Ellery - warts and all!

Got a soft spot for Jeremy and Nick as well.

What is it about these boys?

Oh yeah Jo, me too.....they are just so loveble...the way Louise writes them, how can you not love them?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on December 04, 2006, 06:48:36 am
You know it's weird, but I've got a kind of real post wedding reaction going on.

You know when you're building up to or anticipating a wonderful event, such as a wedding, or a loved ones birthday, something like that, you've got the constant pleasant buzz of anticipation. Then afterwards you have the vague feeling that something is missing - but you can't put your finger on what. I know the event is over, but it hasn't quite sunk in yet.

That's how I feel.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 04, 2006, 08:08:12 am
good er, morning everyone.  I didn't think I would stay up after 4 a.m. but... I did!

Leslie (MaineWriter) proposed the Laramie Saga Rereading to begin today, so that those who did not get a chance to discuss the early books, would have a forum to do so as a focused rereading. (While you all wait for me to write the next story!)

I think it is a capital idea (as Jeevesy would say) and I'll get the ball rolling.

I started "Taking Chances" and conceived it as something along the same size and scope as my first BBM fan fic "A Warm Wind Blows"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/446.html

which is a short story in 9 brief chapters.  At that time I posted on another forum "I do not believe Ennis would ever have a relationship with somebody else after Jack's death."  I wrote that, I believe, on the 24th of April.

And I woke up on the 3rd of May and had conceived how Ennis might go about doing this exact thing.  And so he walked in the door of a semi-private Billiard Club advertised in a magazine he read at the library:  The Red Stallion.

But Ellery, soon to be the main love interest of the story - is nowhere to be seen.  My original concept for the story was Ennis would go to the bar, a young pup (Pete, who now has no spleen) would throw himself bleeding and dirty into his arms, and Ennis would come face to face with the ugly realities of the Queer World... help the kid out, learn about the dirty underside of closeted relationships, and make a friend of Pete.  Then bid a hasty back to Riverton, profoundly shaken, but wiser from the knowledge that there are other queer men in the world, and that he is not alone.  (End of story.)

But that isn't what happened.  Ennis had other ideas, and so did Bill.  (And so did Pete.)

I don't know if this is of interest at all, but judging from how differently the story unfolded from the way my original plan was, I write purely from inspiration, and that is partly why I do not like to make my living at it.  I have been a professional writer in a deadline-oriented environment - and I will tell you right now, it sucks.  The entire joy of writing and sharing that writing, is to be uplifted by an inspiration and barrel away at 140 words a minute... and twenty pages later - there is a character there, with a life, and a problem, and a plot, telling me how it is going to be next.

And that is how the Laramie Saga happened.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 04, 2006, 09:09:03 am
Hello everyone!  I found my way here through one of Louise's messages at LiveJournal.  I can't believe what I've been missing!  I hope you have room for one more!  I would love to participate in a re-read of the Laramie Saga.  I must admit that I've probably "re-read" many chapters countless times already!  I just love that first day that E&E spend together - so may great moments. 

I can see that I have a lot of catching up to do!  I'm going to go take a look at the "Gallery" now.  Do I need to try and read all 500-plus pages that have been posted so far?  LOL!  I look forward to talking with all of you and, of course, re-reading this wonderful, beautifully written saga.  I'm also anxiously awaiting "Dupree's Choice" - I love Jeremy and Nick! - and the other continuing stories!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 04, 2006, 09:19:01 am
Good morning, Marie, welcome! We are glad to have you here!

You can go through these 500+ pages if you want...lots of good stuff buried in here. Or you can just dive in now and join us on this re-read journey.

Speaking of re-read, folks, how do you want to approach this? I am thinking we could read five chapters per day. Each day, I could post the link to the first of the five chapters and then you could use the arrows to scroll to the next.

What do people think?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: christie wood on December 04, 2006, 09:21:23 am
Hi Marie and welcome.

I came to the party a little late too and although I intended to read through all the pages never quite got round to it! 

I love Jeremy and Nick too, I'm keeping my fingers crossed things work out well for those boys.

In the meantime, re-reading Taking Chances is a wonderful way to pass the time....that first day they met, was wonderful, Marie, I agree, and its always good to go back to something to see how things have come along since then.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 04, 2006, 09:37:51 am
Thank you, Leslie and Christie, for the warm welcomes! 

Leslie, youe idea for the re-reads sounds great to me -  in fact, any road that leads me to Laramie and E&E sounds great! 

There are a couple of favorite scenes that happen early on - I'm already getting excited thinking about them (and, no - I'm not talking about getting fancy scenes yet!  LOL!) and discussing them.  But now that I think about it, I have so many "favorite" scenes y'all will probably get sick of hearing me say that! 

Thanks again - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 04, 2006, 09:44:31 am
Well, let's give this a try, shall we?

Taking Chances, Chapter 1. The Red Stallion can be found here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/2743.html

I'll put up the link for Chapter 6 tomorrow.

Comments, discussion are welcome. Let's have fun with this!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 04, 2006, 10:44:33 am
I just read chapters 1 and 2, and in one fell swoop we have met Wayne, Bill, Pete, and Gene. Wayne with an earring and eyeline (details I had forgotten) and Gene with long blond hair. Poor Pete, badly beaten and Ennis taking care of him in the bathroom. And for this first introduction, Bill seems like an okay guy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: one_of_one on December 04, 2006, 10:55:34 am
Louise I just want to add my congratulations for writing such an epic series!  Well done!  After dropping out after after Bks 1 and 3, I started dipping in near the end of Bk 6 to see what was going on with Dupree..Whoohoo how many books has it taken for him to come out and be a gay man. LOL  I loved that guy from the start :)  Way to go Jeremy.

 :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 04, 2006, 12:07:42 pm
Hi Marie  :)  Nice to see you here  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 04, 2006, 12:29:10 pm
Morning all!!

Welcome to all the de-lurkers!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 04, 2006, 12:34:57 pm
Mornin Milli  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 04, 2006, 12:57:33 pm
Evenin peeps, evenin twinnie. :-* :-*
Right so we can make suggestions for plot ideas Louise?
Well we know we,ve got the reception coming up.  The boys having a honeymoon would be lovely. Some more about Simon and Lauren,(pookie) I love that lol. We all love reading about Wes and Edna. Cousin Julia,(the old cow)
Dont know if you,d planned on her making an appearance again? Even though "the dinner" was excruiating, it was kind of funny in a way. She was just so damn rude!! I could see it in my minds eye. Lance and Jeeves. Thats all I can think of for now. Is that enough to be going on with? Come on twinnie, fill my inbox with ideas please. I know you must have some lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: RonitR on December 04, 2006, 01:01:04 pm
Quote from: synne on December 03, 2006, 01:55:21 pm

Hi everybody , Hi  Lhuthiel,

 Hello Ronit

Are you actually saying you are from Hungary? Then I was your northern neighbor! Here around Toronto we are all  thoroughly mixed up and my best friend is Hungarian. I didn't realize, until I met her, how many words from your language I've known ( my grandparents spoke Hungarian but never taught me). I speak Slovak Czech and Russian.

we are nice mix here :)


Heya Synne

Yes, I'm an ex-pat. Haven't lived there, though, in quite a few years  :)

We do seem to be a nice mix here.... the Laramie Saga is making new fans all over the globe...
I hear Toronto is beautiful (although a bit chilly in the winter-time) :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 04, 2006, 01:14:25 pm
Quote from: souxi on December 04, 2006, 12:57:33 pm
Evenin peeps, evenin twinnie. :-* :-*
Right so we can make suggestions for plot ideas Louise?
Well we know we,ve got the reception coming up.  The boys having a honeymoon would be lovely. Some more about Simon and Lauren,(pookie) I love that lol. We all love reading about Wes and Edna. Cousin Julia,(the old cow)
Dont know if you,d planned on her making an appearance again? Even though "the dinner" was excruiating, it was kind of funny in a way. She was just so damn rude!! I could see it in my minds eye. Lance and Jeeves. Thats all I can think of for now. Is that enough to be going on with? Come on twinnie, fill my inbox with ideas please. I know you must have some lol. ;) ;) ;) ;D

Evening twinnie  :-*  Hmmm ~ you know our ideas should remain in our inboxes don't you?? lol  ;D and I'm pretty much brain dead atm  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 04, 2006, 02:29:50 pm
We can't allow this thread to die down. So here's some Hughdity goodness!  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/sunsetshades.jpg)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/gma4.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 04, 2006, 02:35:33 pm
And some Heath goodness  8)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/heath1.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/heath_ledger_front.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on December 04, 2006, 02:36:45 pm
Now that is great way to start the day!!
thanks for those! ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 04, 2006, 02:40:36 pm
And of course, some sweet hot Jake  :D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/TK_Jake_Gyllenhaal_large.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/jake.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/JakeGyllenhaal_200769.jpg)

Whoever did that painting did a great job didn't he/she?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 04, 2006, 02:43:45 pm
Oh God, Natali!! *swoons* that last pic of Jake is SO GORGEOUS!!! WOW! Thanks! Those eyes...those totally kissable lips!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 04, 2006, 02:48:10 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on December 04, 2006, 02:43:45 pm
Oh God, Natali!! *swoons* that last pic of Jake is SO GORGEOUS!!! WOW! Thanks! Those eyes...those totally kissable lips!

Jake is totally kissable.  ;D (we need a drooling smiley)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 04, 2006, 02:59:12 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 04, 2006, 10:44:33 am
I just read chapters 1 and 2, and in one fell swoop we have met Wayne, Bill, Pete, and Gene. Wayne with an earring and eyeline (details I had forgotten) and Gene with long blond hair. Poor Pete, badly beaten and Ennis taking care of him in the bathroom. And for this first introduction, Bill seems like an okay guy!

L

Yes, now that we have 20/20 hindsight, so to speak, it's going to be very interesting!  I had forgotten about the eyeliner on Wayne, too!  If I block out what I now know about Bill, I guess he does seem okay so far.  A very confident, take charge guy - a bit of a smooth talker, though!

I get a little lump in my throat reading Chapter 2 - Reading about Jack.  Seeing lonely, grieving, scared Ennis doing his research  - and looking around wondering about the other "normal" people in the library.  Very poignant.  How brave he was to venture into the Stallion.

Thanks for the other nice welcomes!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lhuthiel on December 04, 2006, 04:58:37 pm
I was just catching up on the last few pages and wanted to thank everyone who so nicely welcomed me after I left Saturday night. :)

I re-read the first chapters of Taking Chances and I agree, re-reading is quite interesting already knowing how the story will continue. I couldn’t remember the eyeliner on Wayne either, but it suits him well in my imagination.
And I don’t know why, but I’ve liked Pete from the beginning, even though he really gets on Ennis’ nerves in those first few chapters.
Looking forward to reading the next few chapters tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 04, 2006, 05:11:06 pm
Right I,m off for the nite peeps. C ya tomorow. Nite twinnie. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 04, 2006, 05:13:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 04, 2006, 10:44:33 am
I just read chapters 1 and 2, and in one fell swoop we have met Wayne, Bill, Pete, and Gene. Wayne with an earring and eyeline (details I had forgotten) and Gene with long blond hair. Poor Pete, badly beaten and Ennis taking care of him in the bathroom. And for this first introduction, Bill seems like an okay guy!

L

You're right Leslie, who would have thought Bill would turn out the way he did?

I like all the references to horses in the first chapter: the name of the bar, the bucking horse reference, Ennis's 'low startle point' in the bar...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on December 04, 2006, 06:22:34 pm
Hi All:  Also into the rereading, and certainly agree with the previous posters. What I always enjoy is the way Louise can throw away a perfect description with apparant carelessness and deadpan casualness. Like this one:

"This here's a gay bar, friend," Bill said, the word rolling out of his mouth as easy as a prayer on Sunday.

There are so many one-liners like this throughout the Saga - they increase so much our enjoyment of the story.

Can I now be critical? Please don't start throwing things at me, or worse, banning me from the bar, but I do want to make this observation, which has niggled at me ever since I first read the story:

I really cannot picture Jack, up there on Brokeback Mountain, sitting down and recording his thoughts about Ennis in a Journal. It seems so out of character for the Jack we read about in the original story - about the last thing he would do there.  Even more odd, I think, is that Ennis, having received the Journal, would wait so long before opening and reading it, and then only page at a time, with significant time lapses between each new page. Surely the obvious thing to have done would have been to read it through in full as soon as possible after first getting it? Both of these things strain plausibility just a bit too far. Of course, I can see why Louise did it - it provides a way to put Jack into the story. In a way, Jack is speaking to Ennis from beyond the grave, which of course adds to the angst and the pressure and internal conflict Ennis feels at this stage of his 'coming out' process. And it makes Jack still a significant character in the story, which of course is Louise's intention, isn't it?

Ok, now I'll retreat a safe distance and hear what anyone might like to say in response to this comment. Be gentle with me, please?

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 04, 2006, 06:33:29 pm
Quote from: richardg49 on December 04, 2006, 06:22:34 pm
Hi All:  Also into the rereading, and certainly agree with the previous posters. What I always enjoy is the way Louise can throw away a perfect description with apparant carelessness and deadpan casualness. Like this one:

"This here's a gay bar, friend," Bill said, the word rolling out of his mouth as easy as a prayer on Sunday.

There are so many one-liners like this throughout the Saga - they increase so much our enjoyment of the story.

Can I now be critical? Please don't start throwing things at me, or worse, banning me from the bar, but I do want to make this observation, which has niggled at me ever since I first read the story:

I really cannot picture Jack, up there on Brokeback Mountain, sitting down and recording his thoughts about Ennis in a Journal. It seems so out of character for the Jack we read about in the original story - about the last thing he would do there.  Even more odd, I think, is that Ennis, having received the Journal, would wait so long before opening and reading it, and then only page at a time, with significant time lapses between each new page. Surely the obvious thing to have done would have been to read it through in full as soon as possible after first getting it? Both of these things strain plausibility just a bit too far. Of course, I can see why Louise did it - it provides a way to put Jack into the story. In a way, Jack is speaking to Ennis from beyond the grave, which of course adds to the angst and the pressure and internal conflict Ennis feels at this stage of his 'coming out' process. And it makes Jack still a significant character in the story, which of course is Louise's intention, isn't it?

Ok, now I'll retreat a safe distance and hear what anyone might like to say in response to this comment. Be gentle with me, please?



Hi Richard,

Interesting comment. I am like you, I could never have a journal and not read the entire thing, all the way through, the first time I opened it. But, on the other hand, if the memory is too painful, he really can take the journal only in the tiniest of doses. My mother is a bit like this...she has family pictures she won't look at, things she refuses to read, because it is just too painful.

As for Jack writing in a journal, the entries are very brief, only a sentence or two, so the actual writing would have taken just a minute. And remember, Ennis and Jack had significant time apart during the day and presumably during the night (although I think that changed after the second night in the tent). So Jack would have had time alone to make his entries...and it doesn't sound like he was writing entries on a daily basis, either.

To me, it would completely out of character for Ennis to write in a journal. I can't picture that at all. But I can seeing Jack being a bit more reflective and wanting to record his thoughs, even through they are very brief.

Interesting point for discussion, Richard.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 04, 2006, 07:08:52 pm
Quote from: NavyVet on November 28, 2006, 04:32:13 pm
I'm feeling a little anxious and down today, so I thought I'd share a little something serene and restful.  I found this picture and thought the colors were pretty.  It also reminded me of our 'boys'.  Y'all can imagine them to be Ennis & Ellery or Jack and Ennis, whichever you prefer.
 :-\

I really like that cowboy picture, NavyVet, would you mind if I used it for an avatar?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 04, 2006, 07:42:02 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 04, 2006, 06:33:29 pm
Hi Richard,

Interesting comment. I am like you, I could never have a journal and not read the entire thing, all the way through, the first time I opened it. But, on the other hand, if the memory is too painful, he really can take the journal only in the tiniest of doses. My mother is a bit like this...she has family pictures she won't look at, things she refuses to read, because it is just too painful.

As for Jack writing in a journal, the entries are very brief, only a sentence or two, so the actual writing would have taken just a minute. And remember, Ennis and Jack had significant time apart during the day and presumably during the night (although I think that changed after the second night in the tent). So Jack would have had time alone to make his entries...and it doesn't sound like he was writing entries on a daily basis, either.

To me, it would completely out of character for Ennis to write in a journal. I can't picture that at all. But I can seeing Jack being a bit more reflective and wanting to record his thoughs, even through they are very brief.

Interesting point for discussion, Richard.

L


I agree that it is an intersting point for discussion.  In addition to what Leslie has already said, I guess the journal did not seem out of character for Jack when I got to read what he actually wrote.  To me, the entries were very much Jack.  If the journal had contained very long, very eloquent, flowery thoughts - well, then it may have not rung true.  But once I saw the entries, I could so imagine Jack thinking these things that it's not a stretch for me to imagine him jotting them down.  And if I am remembering correctly there aren't even that many entries. 

Everyone deals with grief in a different way.  I don't think there is a "wrong" way or a "right" way.  I can understand it being too difficult for Ennis to open the Journal immediately upon receiving it.  It brought back such tremendously strong emotions that I can imagine he felt that he just had to step back from it. Sometimes we do this when something is just "too much" for us to handle.  This understanding is reinforced when I see that Ennis can't even read the entire Journal at once but, rather, as Leslie said, in very small doses.

Just my 2 cents anyway - thanks!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 04, 2006, 07:43:35 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 04, 2006, 06:33:29 pm
Hi Richard,

Interesting comment. I am like you, I could never have a journal and not read the entire thing, all the way through, the first time I opened it. But, on the other hand, if the memory is too painful, he really can take the journal only in the tiniest of doses. My mother is a bit like this...she has family pictures she won't look at, things she refuses to read, because it is just too painful.

As for Jack writing in a journal, the entries are very brief, only a sentence or two, so the actual writing would have taken just a minute. And remember, Ennis and Jack had significant time apart during the day and presumably during the night (although I think that changed after the second night in the tent). So Jack would have had time alone to make his entries...and it doesn't sound like he was writing entries on a daily basis, either.

To me, it would completely out of character for Ennis to write in a journal. I can't picture that at all. But I can seeing Jack being a bit more reflective and wanting to record his thoughs, even through they are very brief.


Yay, I love the discussions so far.  Although I have not yet had time to go back and re-read the first 5 chaps. .... 8)

I agree wholehearted with what Leslie observes here.  The journal entries were 1 or 2 sentences, so I think that was very plausible.

About reading the journal all at once, again Leslie makes a good point.  Some people can not handle 'pain' like this in large does.  I would have read the whole thing myself, no matter how painful, but Ennis simply could not.  Somehow, that did not strike me as out of character for Ennis because he was in denial about alot of things .. where Jack was concerned anyway.  And somehow I can see him struggling along with that journal, digesting only little bits of it at a time.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on December 04, 2006, 09:06:42 pm

Wow! This discussion of the re-reading is getting off to a great start.

Thanks, Richard, for your observation. It's a most helpful idea for us to use as a lens for looking back at the beginning of the Saga.

I think the journal is much more than a necessary plot device. Many young men do write down thoughts, with no intention of anyone else ever seeing them. I did so myself, and when I found my words from the age of Jack and Ennis, I was in my mid-forties, and I disposed of them quickly. Jack did not have that opportunity, so they became, blessedly and importantly, an impetus for self reflection on the part of Ennis.

As we reflect on Jack's journal, I think it's very important to consider that the characters of Ennis and Jack in the Laramie Saga are based more on the short story by Annie Proulx than the screenplay of the magnificent movie.

I want to add my own heartfelt thanks to Louise and to all who are continuing the discussion of this truly great work, the Laramie Saga.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 04, 2006, 09:34:49 pm
I would like to share my thoughts about the evolution of Ellery's character. I don't know about the rest of you but my image of Ellery changed from my initial impression in these early chapters from a physical and a personality perspective.

When he first arrived on the scene, based on the description given, I pictured him as a big, broad shouldered guy with large hands and a deep voice ("a voice as deep as Ennis'"). This changed as the story proceeded as he emerged as someone rail thin, with thin fingers and fairly narrow shoulders. I developed a more feminised view of him based on this (counteracted of course by the pix of Hugh who is definitely less than delicate!) So my mental picture is still a bit confused here!

Secondly my view of Ellery's personality in terms of his attitude to women has changed. In these early chapters Ellery actually flirts with women and even smacks the backside of a waitress. I gained the impression that he liked women because the women he came across (waitresses and Carol at the police  station) seemed to succumb to his charm. I feel these women would only respond that way if they felt Ellery genuinely at some level liked them and surely he would only put out the charm if he did like them. But as the story progressed Ellery seemed to like women less and less and no longer went out of his way to act charming with them. Has anyone else noticed this change and have an explanation for this?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 04, 2006, 09:42:39 pm
Thinking about the diary...

We found old diaries in our house (it was built in 1803) and many of them had daily one line entries: listing the temperature, discussing the weather, maybe some other comment. I wonder if Old Man Twist was in the habit of keeping such a diary and Jack picked up the habit from him?

Maybe his father even gave him the book before he left for Brokeback that summer? Jack never intended to write anything in it, but then when he was alone there with Ennis and his thoughts, he started jotting down a one line comment every now and again?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 04, 2006, 10:56:10 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on December 04, 2006, 09:34:49 pm
I would like to share my thoughts about the evolution of Ellery's character. I don't know about the rest of you but my image of Ellery changed from my initial impression in these early chapters from a physical and a personality perspective.

When he first arrived on the scene, based on the description given, I pictured him as a big, broad shouldered guy with large hands and a deep voice ("a voice as deep as Ennis'"). This changed as the story proceeded as he emerged as someone rail thin, with thin fingers and fairly narrow shoulders. I developed a more feminised view of him based on this (counteracted of course by the pix of Hugh who is definitely less than delicate!) So my mental picture is still a bit confused here!

Secondly my view of Ellery's personality in terms of his attitude to women has changed. In these early chapters Ellery actually flirts with women and even smacks the backside of a waitress. I gained the impression that he liked women because the women he came across (waitresses and Carol at the police  station) seemed to succumb to his charm. I feel these women would only respond that way if they felt Ellery genuinely at some level liked them and surely he would only put out the charm if he did like them. But as the story progressed Ellery seemed to like women less and less and no longer went out of his way to act charming with them. Has anyone else noticed this change and have an explanation for this?

I changed Ellery's physical description (sparse as it was) based in part on the pictures of Hugh once he was cast - there was no confusing those hands with the wider hands of the original character I had based upon Keith Carradine, whom I had seen in a film.

The view of Ellery's flirtatiousness was from Ennis's point of view.  I changed the point of view from Ennis after, I believe, the middle of the second volume when Ellery began his investigation, and the POV went back and forth.  But the first book, "Taking Chances" was entirely Ennis's point of view.  Ennis, being attracted to Ellery, was hypersensitive to any and all reactions women had to Ellery.

Ellery's own views are somewhat different, and he himself, whether or not he ever laid on any charm, did not observe this in himself in the later texts, most notably because he would probably not be aware of his "covering" behavior.

Another important point here is that Ellery's behavior was profoundly affected by his relationship with Ennis, and he would have changed how he acted around women, particularly, since he would be aware that being flirtatious (or pretending to be) would annoy Ennis or even anger him.

Those are my own thoughts... however, my own view of the character did change as well, and in my 2nd draft I might find that the "evolution" actually constituted a drift in my conception of Ellery as a character and I will have to modify things.

(I've made a few disclaimers regarding the "draft" nature of the Saga.  This would be a second edit function.)  My finished novels have gone through a minimum of four edits, and I usually catch character drift in the 2nd and sometimes 3rd edit.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 04, 2006, 11:28:34 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 04, 2006, 10:56:10 pm

The view of Ellery's flirtatiousness was from Ennis's point of view.  I changed the point of view from Ennis after, I believe, the middle of the second volume when Ellery began his investigation, and the POV went back and forth.  But the first book, "Taking Chances" was entirely Ennis's point of view.  Ennis, being attracted to Ellery, was hypersensitive to any and all reactions women had to Ellery.

Ellery's own views are somewhat different, and he himself, whether or not he ever laid on any charm, did not observe this in himself in the later texts, most notably because he would probably not be aware of his "covering" behavior.

Another important point here is that Ellery's behavior was profoundly affected by his relationship with Ennis, and he would have changed how he acted around women, particularly, since he would be aware that being flirtatious (or pretending to be) would annoy Ennis or even anger him.


A lot of that makes sense - particularly the influence of his developing relationship with jealous Ennis. Although I hadn't thought of Ellery's charming the women as covering behaviour - just the behaviour of a confident, attractive extrovert with natural charm. I still feel he went from seeming to have a neutral/reasonably friendly view of women to an attitude of suspicious dislike - but maybe I misinterpreted his earlier attitude.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 04, 2006, 11:32:58 pm
I may not know till I reread it either, Jo.  I usually enter a period of intense rereading and revision after I finish a book, but instead, I moved on to the 2nd and the 3rd and the... etc.... and now instead of rereading "Taking Chances" myself, I am writing another story with different and newer characters, so I am STILL not rereading.

Maybe you can beta Ellery's extrovertedness for me... hehehe Hint hint.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on December 05, 2006, 12:28:07 am
Quote from: richardg49 on December 04, 2006, 06:22:34 pm
Hi All:  Also into the rereading, and certainly agree with the previous posters. What I always enjoy is the way Louise can throw away a perfect description with apparant carelessness and deadpan casualness. Like this one:

"This here's a gay bar, friend," Bill said, the word rolling out of his mouth as easy as a prayer on Sunday.

There are so many one-liners like this throughout the Saga - they increase so much our enjoyment of the story.

Can I now be critical? Please don't start throwing things at me, or worse, banning me from the bar, but I do want to make this observation, which has niggled at me ever since I first read the story:

I really cannot picture Jack, up there on Brokeback Mountain, sitting down and recording his thoughts about Ennis in a Journal. It seems so out of character for the Jack we read about in the original story - about the last thing he would do there. 



hi Richard
Good you are questioning Jack's "romantic self". That is what romantic people do- writing diary, isn’t it?  :) In my humble opinion Jack was romantic enough - dreamer, and on topf of it first time in love, for possibility to put few lines in his diary, hide it and never tell anybody.
Exactly what he did with shirts.
I haven’t reread 1-5 parts yet but I think there was even little poem attached … And do you remember crazy, fond boy performing rodeo riding for his Ennis, almost falling into a camp fire ?  I can imagine the same boy writing romantic love poem, well , as romantic as it could be.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 05, 2006, 06:03:22 am
Quote from: mariez on December 04, 2006, 09:09:03 am
Hello everyone!  I found my way here through one of Louise's messages at LiveJournal.  I can't believe what I've been missing!  I hope you have room for one more!  I would love to participate in a re-read of the Laramie Saga.  I must admit that I've probably "re-read" many chapters countless times already!  I just love that first day that E&E spend together - so may great moments. 

I can see that I have a lot of catching up to do!  I'm going to go take a look at the "Gallery" now.  Do I need to try and read all 500-plus pages that have been posted so far?  LOL!  I look forward to talking with all of you and, of course, re-reading this wonderful, beautifully written saga.  I'm also anxiously awaiting "Dupree's Choice" - I love Jeremy and Nick! - and the other continuing stories!

Marie
                      s'alright s'alright marie, welcome aboard and read along with us again..most of us have read parts of the saga many times, and it never
                      enough, never enough...       you are fashionably late,,,not too late.  enjoy                                                     janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 05, 2006, 06:10:19 am
Quote from: magicmountain on December 04, 2006, 09:34:49 pm
I would like to share my thoughts about the evolution of Ellery's character. I don't know about the rest of you but my image of Ellery changed from my initial impression in these early chapters from a physical and a personality perspective.

When he first arrived on the scene, based on the description given, I pictured him as a big, broad shouldered guy with large hands and a deep voice ("a voice as deep as Ennis'"). This changed as the story proceeded as he emerged as someone rail thin, with thin fingers and fairly narrow shoulders. I developed a more feminised view of him based on this (counteracted of course by the pix of Hugh who is definitely less than delicate!) So my mental picture is still a bit confused here!

Secondly my view of Ellery's personality in terms of his attitude to women has changed. In these early chapters Ellery actually flirts with women and even smacks the backside of a waitress. I gained the impression that he liked women because the women he came across (waitresses and Carol at the police  station) seemed to succumb to his charm. I feel these women would only respond that way if they felt Ellery genuinely at some level liked them and surely he would only put out the charm if he did like them. But as the story progressed Ellery seemed to like women less and less and no longer went out of his way to act charming with them. Has anyone else noticed this change and have an explanation for this?
                      i kind of agree, the mental image was built on the front page model we originally had to me...the only difference being he seemed to age a bit, as if that guy had just matured, because he idid look like a younger virsion of hugh...but the feeling that you had about the way he interacted with women was quite a change.  he did appear to flirt with women more at first.  i think however he did see the way it affected ennis who is a jealous man and even said so...so therefor he probably changed accordingly.. he liked his 200 proof man, and didnt want to change any direction their relationship was heading....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 07:13:40 am
For the Taking Chances re-readers, Chapter 6 is here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/3929.html

Some excitement, Ellery appears on the scene for the first time in Chapter 9!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 05, 2006, 07:49:50 am
Thank you all for the insightful comments and *critical feedback! oh my* on the first few chapters.

I received a comment on LJ today from a new reader, and wanted to share it with you in light of recent discussion:

I will be honest, I was at first wary of this fic. I read so much bad stuff about it, that it took away from the love that Jack and Ennis had, that Ennis was way out of character...that it ruined Brokeback Mountain. But then I thought...why not give it a chance?

I have to say I now realize that people are simply being immature. I think you've done a wonderful job with building Ennis's life after losing Jack. You've taken us through the beginnings of the healing process with him, he's realizing it's okay to be happy, to remember Jack, and try to make a life with Ellery. I see no signs of "raping Jack's memory."

I, like many people, I'm sure, was devastated after seeing BBM (have not yet gotten to read the short story), seeing the pain that Ennis was in, and the obvious guilt he may feel. Though I do love AU stories, they and other, shorter or just generally less upbeat canon stories do not help me get rid of this feeling. This has. Not only has it captivated me enough to read it non-stop for several days, not even stopping to comment, but it pretty much just makes my soul feel better.

I'm not sure how much one little comment means to you, compared with the whole communities of people simply wanting to bash, but I am so anxious to continue reading, I just hope you aren't discouraged (I suppose you're not, you've written so much) and realize (I'm sure you do) that these people are simply being petty and a bit vicious.

I am still getting Friend requests from new users, and urging them to join us here at Bettermost for the "Rereader" discussion, including this reader.

To see the entire comment, it is at the end of "Looking for Answers":   http://louisev.livejournal.com/49732.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 07:52:17 am
Because I love this scene so much, something for the gallery, and a quote:

Ellery Cantrell was an imposing figure, well over six feet tall as he bowed his head coming up the stairs, and stretched to his full height, clapping Bill hard on the shoulder and thrusting out a large, square hand to Ennis, who rose and accepted it. He had long, almost jet black hair, offset by pale, light grey eyes and a pale complexion, like pictures Ennis had seen of Doc Holliday, the infamous outlaw. And lean, almost as beanpole thin as Ennis himself, his figure made sharper by the trim black shirt, jet black leather vest and coal-black denims. When he spoke his voice was as deep as Ennis's own.


and a vest for the wardrobe department:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/1267-21-lg.jpg)

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 05, 2006, 07:57:46 am
Quote from: louisev on December 05, 2006, 07:49:50 am
it pretty much just makes my soul feel better.


yep, that's why i'm here!

louise, so pleased that people are still discovering this wonderful story. soul food indeed.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 05, 2006, 08:06:47 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 05, 2006, 07:57:46 am
yep, that's why i'm here!

louise, so pleased that people are still discovering this wonderful story. soul food indeed.  :)

Yup I,ll second that. What a lovely comment Louise from that reader. I,d add, under petty and vicious, jealous. I,ve always said that I think thats the main reason behind all these vicious attacks etc..plain old jealousy. It,s very childish tbh. They want to grow up. Ellery doesnt wear that black vest any more does he? Ennis doesnt seem to like him in clothes like that, with his earring and his boots. I think Hugh would look gorgeous like that..mind you, I think he,d look gorgeous with a sack over his head lol. *SIGH*  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 08:11:48 am
I don't know that Ellery quit wearing the leather vest--doesn't it come up again on a Saturday night when they are going to the Red Stallion? It seemed that it was the earring he objected to, and that was more from Ellery's "queer disguise" that he wore on the trip to Austin.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: souxi on December 05, 2006, 08:15:50 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 08:11:48 am
I don't know that Ellery quit wearing the leather vest--doesn't it come up again on a Saturday night when they are going to the Red Stallion? It seemed that it was the earring he objected to, and that was more from Ellery's "queer disguise" that he wore on the trip to Austin.

L

Yes your right Leslie, it was the earring he objected too, and the blue boots lol. I just cant remember that vest being mentioned again..I,ll have to keep reading. Just the thought of him in that, with those tight black jeans..................*ahem* ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 05, 2006, 08:31:42 am
it was the earring and the blue boots - though Ellery got away with wearing the boots once later on, when they went out to the Red Stallion.

*rubs eyes*

I didn't get enough sleep!

*goes back to bed*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on December 05, 2006, 09:36:10 am
Gosh, I'm going to have to read fast to catch up with all of you!

I do remember Ellery's entrance with fondness though. I liked him instantly, even though I was sure that I wouldn't. This was the first non E&J fic that I read and I really wasn't sure how I would feel about Ennis being with someone else. The build up to Ellery's introduction was nicely paced. We got to get inside Ennis' mind first, found out where he was at. I think that if Ellery had been at the bar the first time Ennis wandered in it would have been too soon.

I see the point about his relationship with women. However, the ones with whom he does have a warm relationship appear less as the saga goes on and new characters are introduced, so perhaps we can take it as read that he still gets on well with Carol and the waitress at the diner etc. Edna's motherlike pressence is a constant.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 05, 2006, 09:43:30 am
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on December 05, 2006, 06:03:22 am
                      s'alright s'alright marie, welcome aboard and read along with us again..most of us have read parts of the saga many times, and it never
                      enough, never enough...       you are fashionably late,,,not too late.  enjoy                                                     janice


Thank you, Janice! "Fashionably late"  :laugh: And I'm usually such an "on time" person! 

What a warm, thoughtful and insightful group you all are!  I am very much enjoying reading the comments. 

I am so thankful to Louise for writing such a real, honest, and beautiful story that has provided me not only with hours of reading enjoyment but has also given me a true sense of comfort and peace.

Back to the re-read - can't wait to "meet" Ellery again!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 10:09:08 am
A few more good quotes, these are from chapter 10....

He was acutely aware of Ellery, not as a man, but as a symbol. Police. He had heard what police thought about queers, and here he was, sitting here just as nice as you please with the owner of a queer bar talking about a fight between a married man and his queer boyfriend. It all seemed surreal to him, and he fought down an urgent desire to bolt out of the room, as if a trap were closing on him.

and

Ennis shook his head, still seething from Bill's comment. One thing he did not want to do was give Ellery any reason to believe he himself was queer. That would get him into his truck and out of Laramie before Bill could get his hat on. But what else would he think? He was in the bar, the bar was for queers only, who was he kidding? He already knew. The hair on Ennis's neck bristled once more and he gripped his cup as though he might fall off his chair at any moment.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 10:21:52 am
For the re-readers who are starting from Chapter 1 of Taking Chances:

I proposed that we read five chapters per day and each day, I will post the link to the first chapter of the new group. Ie, yesterday I posted the link to chapter 1, today chapter 6, tomorrow chapter 11 and so on. Taking Chances has 98 chapters so it will take us about 19 days to get through this first book.

Louise has created a wonderful index (it is a beautiful thing, it really is) so if you need to quickly find a chapter in Taking Chances, go here:

http://zebratta.livejournal.com/ (you may want to bookmark this site).

All the chapters are listed by name and number and link you back to the original chapter in her livejournal.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 05, 2006, 11:07:01 am
Quote from: magicmountain on December 04, 2006, 09:34:49 pm
When he first arrived on the scene, based on the description given, I pictured him as a big, broad shouldered guy with large hands and a deep voice ("a voice as deep as Ennis'"). This changed as the story proceeded as he emerged as someone rail thin, with thin fingers and fairly narrow shoulders. I developed a more feminised view of him based on this (counteracted of course by the pix of Hugh who is definitely less than delicate!) So my mental picture is still a bit confused here!


I don't see Ellery as a femenine man at all but quite the contrary. He is quite manly in my imagination. However, ever since I saw Hugh in X-Men I keep imagining his voice sounding just like Hugh's! I can't help it. He's totally Hugh in my head with the super chest and all.  Speaking of which...  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/x2pre6.jpg)

This is exactly how I imagine Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 11:23:52 am
Quote from: opinionista on December 05, 2006, 11:07:01 am
I don't see Ellery as a femenine man at all but quite the contrary. He is quite manly in my imagination. However, ever since I saw Hugh in X-Men I keep imagining his voice sounding just like Hugh's! I can't help it. He's totally Hugh in my head with the super chest and all.  Speaking of which...  ;D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/x2pre6.jpg)

This is exactly how I imagine Ellery.

That picture is great. Complete with a wedding ring.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 05, 2006, 11:25:40 am
Great photo!    What a nice smile!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 11:31:56 am
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 05, 2006, 11:25:40 am
Great photo!    What a nice smile!

And you know, when these lines came along in Chapter 127 of The Red Stallion

“We did it,” Ellery said, grinning widely.

“We sure did, darlin,” Ennis said, then looked at his undistracted younger daughter, and smiled at her.


that's probably about the way he was smiling. Awwww......

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 05, 2006, 01:16:48 pm
Just a distraction ..

This gives new meaning to Ennis' legbone condition ..   ::) 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/9e256ba0.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 05, 2006, 02:33:06 pm
Just in case anyone missed it,

I posted an original novel on my LJ for those of you who enjoyed the original characters in "The Laramie Saga" and want to see what else I do.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/161282.html  is the index to "Your Skinny Girl"

In hopes that sometime, somehow, my original fics will catch on, I created a thread for it as well:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=6610.0

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 05, 2006, 02:43:09 pm
Will be checking it out Louise!   ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 05, 2006, 03:20:27 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 07:52:17 am
Because I love this scene so much, something for the gallery, and a quote:

Ellery Cantrell was an imposing figure, well over six feet tall as he bowed his head coming up the stairs, and stretched to his full height, clapping Bill hard on the shoulder and thrusting out a large, square hand to Ennis, who rose and accepted it. He had long, almost jet black hair, offset by pale, light grey eyes and a pale complexion, like pictures Ennis had seen of Doc Holliday, the infamous outlaw. And lean, almost as beanpole thin as Ennis himself, his figure made sharper by the trim black shirt, jet black leather vest and coal-black denims. When he spoke his voice was as deep as Ennis's own.


and a vest for the wardrobe department:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/1267-21-lg.jpg)

Leslie

Here is Doc Holliday

(http://cal-neva.com/gallery/gunmen/docholdy.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 05, 2006, 03:37:51 pm
and somewhere, (it was probably actually in a film!) I was sure I saw a long-haired Doc Holliday.  And later I couldn't find a long haired Doc Holliday to save my life and decided to save the revision of the original description for the 2nd edit!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 05, 2006, 08:33:31 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 05, 2006, 10:09:08 am
A few more good quotes, these are from chapter 10....

He was acutely aware of Ellery, not as a man, but as a symbol. Police. He had heard what police thought about queers, and here he was, sitting here just as nice as you please with the owner of a queer bar talking about a fight between a married man and his queer boyfriend. It all seemed surreal to him, and he fought down an urgent desire to bolt out of the room, as if a trap were closing on him.

and

Ennis shook his head, still seething from Bill's comment. One thing he did not want to do was give Ellery any reason to believe he himself was queer. That would get him into his truck and out of Laramie before Bill could get his hat on. But what else would he think? He was in the bar, the bar was for queers only, who was he kidding? He already knew. The hair on Ennis's neck bristled once more and he gripped his cup as though he might fall off his chair at any moment.


L


Excellent quotes.  Isn't it ironic that the symbol that provoked fear in Ennis then became a factor in providing him with a measure of safety and comfort. 

Also ironic that we have Bill (and Pete) to thank for bringing E&E together!

On a less philosophical note, as to the image of Ellery coming up the stairs, I remember Ellery telling Ennis that one of the reasons he knew Ennis was queer was because Ennis was looking directly at Ellery's crotch when he came up the stairs!   :laugh: 

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 05, 2006, 08:36:32 pm
Quote from: mariez on December 05, 2006, 08:33:31 pm

On a less philosophical note, as to the image of Ellery coming up the stairs, I remember Ellery telling Ennis that one of the reasons he knew Ennis was queer was because Ennis was looking directly at Ellery's crotch when he came up the stairs!   :laugh: 

Marie

True ..  ;D and Ennis was all surprised that he had been caught staring at Ellery's crotch .. he hadn't even noticed he was doing it or had he?! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 05, 2006, 08:41:07 pm
That was one thing that caught Ennis out big time.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 05, 2006, 09:44:23 pm
And that was one of the endearing moments between Ennis and Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 06, 2006, 06:29:52 am
Quote from: Lucise on December 05, 2006, 01:16:48 pm
Just a distraction ..

This gives new meaning to Ennis' legbone condition ..   ::) 8)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/Enn_Ell/9e256ba0.jpg)

LOL Wow Lucise, that is some legbone he has there!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 06, 2006, 07:25:13 am
Quote from: opinionista on December 06, 2006, 06:29:52 am
LOL Wow Lucise, that is some legbone he has there!!!

Quite a boner if you ask me!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 08:05:30 am
For the Laramie Saga re-readers, today's assignment, chapters 11-15.

Chapter 11 is here: http://louisev.livejournal.com/5339.html

The deputy laughed softly and leaned over, reaching with one hand, the fingertips brushing over Ennis's clenched hand on his coffee cup. "Not you, Ennis, the alleged perpetrator. You are what they call the corroboratin material witness." Ennis felt his hand sting where Ellery's dry fingers brushed it, and he wanted to pull away. But he resisted, going stony-cold at the warm smile of the deputy.


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 08:06:31 am
Another good quote from Chapter 11:

"I ain't never done nothin like this before," he replied.

"You mean go to a gay bar?" Ellery asked simply.

He nodded, saying nothing more.

"S'no big deal ta me."

"Maybe ta you."

Ellery leaned back and regarded Ennis with an unreadable look. "So what makes you special?"

"Listen mister, what right a you got to ask me all this? What -- are you queer too or somethin?"

Ellery was nonplussed, picked up his cigar and drew in a long, slow drag, never taking his eyes off Ennis. "That would be what I call one a those unanswerable questions, Ennis. For the sake a my job. But considerin I'm sittin here on my day off, at a queer bar, goin a all this trouble..." he leaned forward and put his face right up to Ennis's, where he could feel the harsh taste of the smoke in Ellery's breath ..."for a bunch a QUEER boys... then what the hell do you think?" He hadn't raised his voice, but he didn't have to. Ennis stared back at him, momentarily breathless, and utterly intimidated.

"Fair enough," he said at last. "Ain't nothin special bout me, except I ain't. I ain't... one a them gays."

Ellery laughed, setting down the cigar. "You mean out a the closet I think. Well it only took me about a second and a half to figure that out, Ennis. Much as I hate ta break it to ya, it didn't take no detective work."

Ennis scowled, not enjoying Ellery's humor in the least.


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 08:12:52 am
A very important conversation, from Chapter 12:

"You ever been with a man Ennis?" that question again.

"Yeah. And so?"

"And so, you know, you ain't wonderin any more about yerself."

"No. Just wonderin about everybody else is all. Never met no other queers except..."

"What happened? Didn't work out? Wife find out?"

"Got. Killed." Ennis bit the words off. He didn't know why he was telling Ellery all of this, except that it seemed the man was genuinely interested. And lying didn't seem to be of much use.

"Sorry to hear it Ennis. Violence?"

"Don't know. Don't really wanna think about it, it wasn't all that long ago if you don't mind."

"Sure enough." Ellery drew in again on his nearly spent cigar, and looked around. "Where the hell are they? I gotta get a move on, and you boys prolly ought ta get Pete back here one way or the other."


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 08:15:58 am
Chapter 13, in which we are introduced to Ellery's car for the first time, and also some classic Ellery-speak:


"Goddamn Bill, thinks with his dick. He made a comment. Yeah I'm about to 'make a comment' a my own."

Ennis smiled at Ellery's commentary but said nothing, and the deputy's long strides suddenly halted before a dark blue Chevy El Camino parked along the street down a little ways from the Red Stallion. "My coach awaits," Ellery said, unlocking the door for Ennis.

Ennis eased into the car, able to stretch his legs decently inside the large vehicle. "Nice car Ellery."

"I got long legs, those Fords suck when it comes to tall men. I see you know what I mean. And I hate drivin a truck."

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_El_at_Gettysburg_001.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/El_at_Gettysburg_001.jpg)


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 06, 2006, 08:18:09 am
In chapter 11 Ennis and Ellery really connect. When Ellery asks him whether he has a wife at home and Ennis answers that Ellery doens't understand.

"Ellery leaned forward. "Just exactly what is it I don't unnerstand Ennis? Tell me."

The fact that Ellery addresses Ennis by his name, struck me. Ellery wants to know about him. It really is no longer a deputy asking someone about an incident. It's personal.

And all this when at the same time Gene and Bill are planning a little nooky in the bedroom, completely oblivious as to what's going on between Ennis and Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 08:19:31 am
Chapter 13, another important--and classic--exchange:

"Oh." Ennis fell silent, wrapping his hand as inconspicuously as possible around the passenger handle as Ellery started the car. To his surprise, after pulling out of the parking spot he pulled smoothly out of the Nightingale apartments and hit the secondary road at a leisurely pace. Ennis blinked and glanced over at Ellery, who cracked that big grin.

"Sorry for scarin the piss outta ya Ennis. I kin slow down if it makes ya more comfortable. After all, I am doin my damndest to impress you."

"Yer what?" His mouth opened slightly as he stared at the deputy, who kept his eyes on the road, but his eyes were sparkling with amusement.

"All part a my professional charm," Ellery replied, and coughed slightly.

Ennis sat dumbfounded, and looked down at his lap. He had no idea what to say or do right now, just that he hoped Ellery would keep driving slow, and that they wouldn't be heading back to see Bill quite yet.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 06, 2006, 08:28:35 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 08:06:31 am
Another good quote from Chapter 11:

"I ain't never done nothin like this before," he replied.

"You mean go to a gay bar?" Ellery asked simply.

He nodded, saying nothing more.

"S'no big deal ta me."

"Maybe ta you."

Ellery leaned back and regarded Ennis with an unreadable look. "So what makes you special?"

"Listen mister, what right a you got to ask me all this? What -- are you queer too or somethin?"

Ellery was nonplussed, picked up his cigar and drew in a long, slow drag, never taking his eyes off Ennis. "That would be what I call one a those unanswerable questions, Ennis. For the sake a my job. But considerin I'm sittin here on my day off, at a queer bar, goin a all this trouble..." he leaned forward and put his face right up to Ennis's, where he could feel the harsh taste of the smoke in Ellery's breath ..."for a bunch a QUEER boys... then what the hell do you think?" He hadn't raised his voice, but he didn't have to. Ennis stared back at him, momentarily breathless, and utterly intimidated.

"Fair enough," he said at last. "Ain't nothin special bout me, except I ain't. I ain't... one a them gays."

Ellery laughed, setting down the cigar. "You mean out a the closet I think. Well it only took me about a second and a half to figure that out, Ennis. Much as I hate ta break it to ya, it didn't take no detective work."

Ennis scowled, not enjoying Ellery's humor in the least.


Leslie

This really shows how considerate Ellery is. He wants to reassure Ennis (no big deal to me), letting him know he's queer too.  Of course, he doesn't want Ennis to go!  ;D

Another considerate thing to do: he always senses when Ennis has had enough and changes the subject back to Pete or to Bill and Gene. No wonder they end up married in only a couple of months! *sigh*

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 08:32:39 am
Chapter 14 is on of my favorites....Ennis and Ellery have brunch at the High Plains Diner, preceded by Ellery buying "a baffling collection" of snack foods. The  whole conversation over their Texas omlettes is classic. Ellery is turning on the charm, Ennis confused, trying to figure out what is going on. Ellery is paying attention to Ennis, complimenting him, noticing he is quiet. Right here, this chapter, is where it all begins...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 06, 2006, 08:39:51 am
hey leslie, nice chatting with you!  :)

you know these chapters all tell us (and Ennis) something about Ellery's character. In the apartment, he's considerate, letting Ennis know 'its okay'. In the bar he's funny in his 'blunt dressing down' of Bill and at Wilson's apartment he turns on the charm to the neighbour.

"She smiles hopefully, perhaps feeling that same sense of warm belonging that Ennis was feeling when Ellery smiled at him that way."

I think by the time they get to the diner, it's a done deal. Of course they don't know it yet! But we do. :)


OMG, 'a warm sense of belonging'. Like 'me belonging to you and you belonging to me'!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on December 06, 2006, 09:00:32 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 08:32:39 am
Chapter 14 is on of my favorites....Ennis and Ellery have brunch at the High Plains Diner, preceded by Ellery buying "a baffling collection" of snack foods. The  whole conversation over their Texas omlettes is classic. Ellery is turning on the charm, Ennis confused, trying to figure out what is going on. Ellery is paying attention to Ennis, complimenting him, noticing he is quiet. Right here, this chapter, is where it all begins...

L

I want to second that - I love this chapter and have re-read it untold times. Ellery courts Ennis - no other word for it.

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 06, 2006, 09:12:24 am
Great discussion this morning!  I, too, love this entire "first day" together.

So far, Bill is completely unaware of how badly he has miscalculated.  But he's going to get an inkling soon!

Another great part from Chapter 14 is when Ennis is is feeling self-conscious because he isn't used to someone paying that close attention to him.  Awww, Ennis - that's about to change - in a good way!  I also love how Ellery engages Ennis at the Diner - he is being charming, of course, but he is also sincerely interested in Ennis's opinion.   

You don't talk much.  You do think a lot though.  I wanna know what you think, having been in the thick of things.

So, right from the start, Ellery respects Ennis and recognizes the thoughtful, intelligent man beneath the quiet and reserved exterior.

Oh - and going back a little - did any one else notice that Pete also used the word "squishy" (as Ellery does)  in describing women?  :laugh:

Really enjoying reading all your thoughts.  Thanks, Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 06, 2006, 09:21:48 am
yes, chapter 14 is like a milestone. Ennis tries to put up some sort of 'resistance' to Ellery twice. First when Ellery tells his he'll pay for the food and Ennis says 'i can pay my own way' and second when Ennis tells Ellery 'Well i was gonna head out actually'.

It's like he's trying to put up a fight with himself, but quickly feels this is a loosing battle. There's no resisting Ellery!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 09:24:30 am
Chapter 15 -- another milestone thought for Ennis. He is sitting in the sheriff's waiting room, waiting for Ellery:

“Don’t decide till yer stomach is full.” Well here his stomach was full. He had to decide. His hand crept up to his shirt pocket, felt the shape of the journal there. “Shit, Jack, what should I do?” He had no idea what game Ellery Cantrell might be up to, but he sure as hell knew that there was something about the glitter in his eyes that got him going, the confident stride, the dry, quick wit, and in an unbidden moment of fantasy he found himself thinking of what it would be like with him. Not Jack, but the lean, witty deputy who bought him a Texas omelet “as my guest.”. He took the journal out of his pocket, not opening it, but looking down at it as if it were a gravestone.

“Jack, I ain’t never thought of it with any man but you,” he prayed silently. “I’m sorry, Jack.” And to his dismay, as his fantasy gripped him, the face he pulled toward him to kiss was not Jack’s.


Whoa, Ennis is falling FAST! Faster than I remembered, actually. So great to go back and re-read this!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 10:23:02 am
In the last books, Louise started adding dates, because of the infamous nine day weeks that cropped up a few times. Looking at a perpetual calendar, I calculated that the story started on Thursday, May 17, 1984. All the running around that is going on in the chapters we are reading today (11-15) is taking place on Friday, May 18, 1984.

There was a mention in one of these chapters of the "hot, early summer sun." Historical, average weather data for Laramie, on this date (5/18): high temp 61; low 34; average 48. No precipitation.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 06, 2006, 10:50:07 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 06, 2006, 08:28:35 am
This really shows how considerate Ellery is. He wants to reassure Ennis (no big deal to me), letting him know he's queer too.  Of course, he doesn't want Ennis to go!  ;D

Another considerate thing to do: he always senses when Ennis has had enough and changes the subject back to Pete or to Bill and Gene. No wonder they end up married in only a couple of months! *sigh*


*sigh* is right, lol.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 06, 2006, 11:03:32 am
Sometimes, I think like Ennis, wondering if what I say is useless information...

Anyhow, when I first started the reread yesterday, it was kinda hard.  I wasn't sure if I really wanted to relive everything Ennis went through.  I kinda just wanted to think about the happy stuff.  But now, as I am 10 chapters in, it's better.  The special moments wouldn't be the same without the more difficult times.

 ::)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 11:10:21 am
Quote from: notBastet on December 06, 2006, 11:03:32 am
Sometimes, I think like Ennis, wondering if what I say is useless information...

Anyhow, when I first started the reread yesterday, it was kinda hard.  I wasn't sure if I really wanted to relive everything Ennis went through.  I kinda just wanted to think about the happy stuff.  But now, as I am 10 chapters in, it's better.  The special moments wouldn't be the same without the more difficult times.

 ::)

This is very, very true.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 06, 2006, 11:10:30 am
Quote from: notBastet on December 06, 2006, 11:03:32 am
Sometimes, I think like Ennis, wondering if what I say is useless information...

Anyhow, when I first started the reread yesterday, it was kinda hard.  I wasn't sure if I really wanted to relive everything Ennis went through.  I kinda just wanted to think about the happy stuff.  But now, as I am 10 chapters in, it's better.  The special moments wouldn't be the same without the more difficult times.

 ::)

Yes, I know what you mean. The other day, I re read some chapters in Looking for Answers, and found myself crying as much as the first time I read it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 04:37:49 pm
I am borrowing this from the other thread, courtesy of Natali...


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hugh-jackman1.jpg)


Ah, God, what a man, both in real life and as Ellery....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 07, 2006, 03:58:24 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 08:32:39 am
Chapter 14 is on of my favorites....Ennis and Ellery have brunch at the High Plains Diner, preceded by Ellery buying "a baffling collection" of snack foods. The  whole conversation over their Texas omlettes is classic. Ellery is turning on the charm, Ennis confused, trying to figure out what is going on. Ellery is paying attention to Ennis, complimenting him, noticing he is quiet. Right here, this chapter, is where it all begins...

L

Yeah what is that baffling collection of snacks.? Maybe that's what he subsisted on before Ennis' home cooking.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on December 07, 2006, 04:00:07 am
Sorry if I'm getting in ahead of the rest of you, but where I live (downunder) it will soon be bedtime for me. I've discovered that when I log in again in the morning that all the discussion has been had, all the interesting quotes have been found, and all the insightful commentary has been made. So I'll get in early for the discussions of 16 - 20 with this from ch. 19:

“Hey. Ellery. We got a situation downstairs. It’s Wilson and he showed up and he’s drunk and he’s mad. Bill has got him at the bar but things are getting ugly.” The blond youth was shaking.

“Did he show a gun?”

“Don’t know, don’t think so Ellery.” Gene’s face was white with tension.

Ellery turned and gave Ennis a long look, and then took out his gun, checking it as he did. “Ennis can you keep Pete up here outta trouble?”

Ennis nodded, a lump rising in his throat. He was genuinely fearful for Ellery. The deputy paused and glanced over his shoulder at Gene. "Go down and tell Bill I’ll be right down, but make sure Wilson don’t hear ya.”

“Sure enough.” The blond head disappeared as he clattered back down the way he came. Pete sat, inert as a stone, staring at nothing, but Ennis wasn’t paying attention to Pete at the moment. His eyes filled with sudden moisture, tears welling up.

“Ennis,” Ellery said, his voice pitched low.

“Uh, yeah, I’ll look after Pete.”

“Ennis.” He took a step toward Ennis, reholstering his gun and holding out a hand, grasping his elbow.

“I said okay.”

“You gonna be all right?”

Ennis looked at Ellery searchingly, then, his chest tight with an unspeakable, horrible pain. “Jes – be careful. I don’t want nothin to happen to ya.”

Ellery smiled, a hint of that mischief returning. “Don’t worry, we got a getaway car, remember?”

Is this the moment we know for sure that Ennis cares about Ellery far more than 'just friends' would imply? The situation parallels a very similar situation much later in the second book when Ellery is about to set out to Texas to find Jack's killer, and Ennis is similarly fearful for Ellery and virtually tells him not to go because he couldn't bear the fact of Ellery getting killed, and he again would lose the man he loves.

I also like the sensitivity that Ellery shows at this moment, aware that Ennis is worried about what could happen to him, and taking the trouble to reassure him. Characteristically, he does it with an offhand quip about 'a getaway car'. Note also the use of 'we' in that line, reinforcing the idea that they are partners in this tense situation.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 07, 2006, 04:39:29 am
Wasn't about now that Ellery said he'd never been shot, that his body was in perfect condition and he intended to keep it that way cos he had plans for it.

Perfect condition?!!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on December 07, 2006, 04:56:33 am
Quote from: magicmountain on December 07, 2006, 04:39:29 am
Wasn't about now that Ellery said he'd never been shot, that his body was in perfect condition and he intended to keep it that way cos he had plans for it.

Perfect condition?!!!!

Yes, I enjoyed, while doing this re-reading, recognising all the ironies and secondary meanings that there are in the writing. 'I have plans for it' was another of those, deliberately designed to embarass Ennis and make him blush. Its clever, too that Ellery's back problem, which is going to feature so prominently in the later stories (especially as something that frequently gets in the way of them 'getting fancy'), is here the device which first allows Ennis to touch Ellery in an intimate way and prompts his 'I do want it' declaration. (Am I getting too far ahead in the chapters?)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 07, 2006, 05:38:43 am
Well, Jo, his comment about "perfect condition" was definitely an innuendo!

And don't worry about "getting ahead", it is a reread, after all.  Some rereaders have admitted that now that they have started again they have just kept on going!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 07, 2006, 06:00:23 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 06, 2006, 04:37:49 pm
I am borrowing this from the other thread, courtesy of Natali...


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hugh-jackman1.jpg)


Ah, God, what a man, both in real life and as Ellery....

L
              that is my favorite ellery picture...he looks perfect in that one...manly, sweet and thoughtful.. great picture...leslie,,
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 07, 2006, 06:35:51 am
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on December 07, 2006, 06:00:23 am
              that is my favorite ellery picture...he looks perfect in that one...manly, sweet and thoughtful.. great picture...leslie,,

It's one of my fav's too ~ the expression on his face is just delightful
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 07:13:29 am
Quote from: magicmountain on December 07, 2006, 03:58:24 am
Yeah what is that baffling collection of snacks.? Maybe that's what he subsisted on before Ennis' home cooking.

I think you are right, Jo. Plus it comes up later, when Ennis first goes to the house, how clean the kitchen is.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 07:18:25 am
For the re-readers, today's assignment, chapters 16 to 20.

Chapter 16 begins here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/6535.html

In Chapter 16, we meet Officer Reynolds for the first time:

...he took a sudden U-turn in the roadway and reversed direction, which caused Ennis to gasp. “We check out the bar – oh kiss my ass,” he interrupted himself and pulled the car over to the curb as a black and white Sheriff’s department cruiser turned its lights on and pulled up behind them.

An unfamiliar looking officer came up to the driver’s door. “Sir, license an registration please.”

Ellery pulled out his badge and slapped it open. “Cantrell, deputy sheriff, Albany county. Don’t you guys have the numbers a these unmarkeds?”

“Sir, with all due respect, you just pulled an illegal u turn in the middle a Center Street.”

“Sir, with all due respect I am on official business and you is delayin me.” The uniform stepped back slightly and then peered at the rank on his identification.

“Now may I go?”

“I am gonna need to cite you sir,” the uniform said stubbornly. Ellery banged his open hand on the steering wheel.

“Well then go ahead and fuckin cite me, Officer… Reynolds is it? Goddammitall to hell, and make sure ta take my badge number down proper. And make sure on the citation you write “Swore a blue streak and used the name a the Lord in vain too. That will get me another two years up at Jackson.” Ellery leaned forward toward the officer, his eyes glittering malevolently. “Maybe even in solitary, whaddaya think?”

The officer turned as bright red as Ennis had a few minutes before, and Ennis turned his eyes away, embarrassed for him. He would never want to be on the receiving end of one of Ellery’s tirades. His hand trembled on his ticket book and he filled it out rapidly, and when he handed the ticket over it was shaking like a leaf in a high wind. Ellery snatched it from him. “You – have a good day sir, deputy Cantrell…” the man whimpered, and Ellery made a derisive snort.

“And you too. Make sure ta rescue two calico cats and help a little ol’ lady cross the street before clockin out Reynolds. Get the full PO-lice experience.” Ellery rolled his window up and gunned the engine, then – with an apologetic glance at Ennis, took off at a smooth, even pace.

“Boys! Citin a deputy sheriff in an unmarked car. Never happen in my day.”

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 07, 2006, 07:52:17 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 07:18:25 am

“Well then go ahead and fuckin cite me, Officer… Reynolds is it? Goddammitall to hell, and make sure ta take my badge number down proper. And make sure on the citation you write “Swore a blue streak and used the name a the Lord in vain too. That will get me another two years up at Jackson.” Ellery leaned forward toward the officer, his eyes glittering malevolently. “Maybe even in solitary, whaddaya think?”


Leslie

This is absolutely hilarious!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 07, 2006, 07:53:34 am
Good Morning!  Our first introduction to Reyolds still makes me laugh out loud!  Oh, my.  Not fun getting on Ellery's bad side, is it?  I'm glad  Ellery comes to appreciate  Reynolds and his uptight, stickler-for-details ways. 

Right before he gets the ticket, though - there's a very interesting exchange.  Ennis is wondering why Ellery doesn't have a partner - and Ellery tells Ennis that he would make a good partner - in fact he describes him as "near to the ideal."   Though the exchange is, outwardly, about police work, we can now see that the "ideal partner" remark has much more meaning.  Ennis really is Ellery's ideal partner-in every way. 

Chapter 18 contains one of my all-time favorite scenes.  Ennis and Ellery are interrogating Pete up in the apartment at the Stallion.

"Ennis looked up at Ellery briefly, and felt a deep pang, suddenly and definitely, conveyed by the look in those slate grey eyes. Looking at him.  Not past him, but at him, regarding him, and Ennis felt a jolt of pleasure and excitement awaken in him, a feeling he had not felt for years, since the last time he and Jack had gone at it that May in Pine Creek, . . ."

I just love the use of the the word "regarding"  here.  Just so perfect.  Looks can convey so much more than feelings.  I would love the read this small passage from Ellery's point of view.  What is he seeing in Ennis's eyes?

Such a pleasure to read such great writing!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 07, 2006, 08:01:09 am
Leslie, thanks for quoting this section.  The chapter 'Ellery' of Dupree's Choice reminded me of how consistent Louise's depiction of Ellery's temper is, this quote just confirms this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 08:09:15 am
Another interesting use of the word "partner," this time from Chapter 17:

“You comin, Ennis?” Ellery looked at Ennis expectantly.

“You want me ta?”

“Yer my partner on this case, as well as bein an important witness and all that. Besides Pete likes ya. Maybe you can help me get some answers outta the boy.”

Ennis slipped off the stool, keenly aware that Bill was watching both of them, taking in every word. “Partner, huh,” Bill said, but Ellery had already turned and headed through the empty back room toward the stairs, Ennis, as usual, trailing him as he went up.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 08:12:28 am
A littel bit of introspective Ennis, from Chapter 18:

He pulled his jeans on, and buckled his belt, pressing his erection down and out of the way. “Dammit, Jack,” he whispered, a hint of sad amusement. Over the years, he had taken to calling his erection “Jack” since it was Jack that always roused him this way. He leaned back, letting himself fall back against the narrow bed once more, and looked up at the spidery cracks of the ceiling. “Well hell, here I am, just one queer in a whole bar full a queers.” He found this simple fact overwhelmingly ironic, since he had lived well most of his life thinking that he was the only queer in the county, isolated among thousands of normal folks going about their happy lives, trapped in a secret misery made greater by solitude. Suddenly surrounded by queer bartenders, queer college students, and a queer police deputy! The irony was too much for him, and he laughed, then, sitting back up and reaching for his shirt. Jack’s journal, which had slipped off his chest in his sleep, thunked onto the floor and he bent to pick it up. Then he heard a familiar rap on the door and it cracked open.

“You ok in there Ennis?” Ellery poked his head in, saw Ennis was decent and stepped inside. “If yer awake it might be a good time to come out an talk ta Pete. He isn’t makin a whole lot of sense right now.”

“Uh sure.” He slid his shirt over his arms, acutely conscious of the deputy’s eyes watching him. “Be right there.”

“Thanks.” He didn’t linger, or comment, and there was nothing about Ellery’s manner that gave him to believe that he was showing too much interest in him. Did he really mean what he said when he told him he was attractive? Dammit Ennis, do you want him to put his hands on you or leave you alone? he argued with himself. Right now, he felt a pang of regret that he had made that definite statement “Ain’t ready for that.” After that dream of Jack, his mood had shifted. Or maybe it was that unexpected offer in the car, so delicately put. “If that’s what you want. Whatever it is.” Whatever it is. He knew damn well what it was, down to the moaning and groaning. He knew what he got from Jack, and he knew he wanted more, and Jack was dead and wasn’t comin back. So what ain’t I ready for?


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 07, 2006, 08:35:41 am
Quote
In Chapter 16, we meet Officer Reynolds for the first time:

...he took a sudden U-turn in the roadway and reversed direction, which caused Ennis to gasp. “We check out the bar – oh kiss my ass,” he interrupted himself and pulled the car over to the curb as a black and white Sheriff’s department cruiser turned its lights on and pulled up behind them.

An unfamiliar looking officer came up to the driver’s door. “Sir, license an registration please.”

A good time to post a picture of Reynolds
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 10:11:59 am
Another tidbit of classic Ellery-speak, from Chapter 20:

“Not hardly. Bill had to have his hissy fit and another comment and after I got everyone settled down an all so now we got Wilson givin us an ultimatum on coming up with a “certain piece a personal property” before he goes direct to the Sheriff Himself and makes a complaint on me for Interferin in a citizen’s right to his own private feuds and misdemeanors. Which is an exact quote – please don’t ask me what it means.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 10:17:10 am
Also, from chapter 20, we learn more about Bill:

“Stupid ass son of a bitch, acts like he’s fourteen years old.”

“Uh, Ellery, what is with you two? You go at it like cats and dogs.”

“Bill an me got history, Ennis.”

“Oh. You grow up together or somethin?”

Ellery stopped, a thoughtful expression on his face. “Uh, Ennis, no we didn’t grow up together. We was involved. For a few years.”

Ennis blanched, then looked down at his feet. Ellery didn’t wait for his reaction and resumed walking toward the hotel, Ennis belatedly catching him up.

“Didn’t mean ta pry.”

“Legitimate question, Ennis, no harm done.”

“Um... was this a long time ago?”

Ellery slowed down and looked over at Ennis, and it seemed, he was choosing his words carefully. “Long enough.... but there hasn’t been anyone since Bill, which makes it seem a lot shorter time that it oughta.”

Ennis thought suddenly about the altercations between them, the derision Ellery had heaped on Bill for having a “U of W piece of ass” and “dating boys” and suddenly the tension between the two men made sense.

“Sorry ta hear it, Ellery.”

“I’m not. I just can’t believe it took me so long to figure out what a horse’s ass Bill always was, and he hasn’t changed a lick since the day we called it quits.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 07, 2006, 10:28:47 am
Well, since we are re reading and Jack is very present in the story right now, I thought I post some pics of him  :D (click to enlarge)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/th_twist.jpg) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/twist.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/th_catpissorworse.jpg) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/catpissorworse.jpg)

Ennis and Jack

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/th_riding.jpg) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/riding.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 07, 2006, 10:34:13 am
And now, our favorite leading men  :D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/jake.jpg)

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/heath_ledger_front.jpg)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/x2pre15.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 10:45:47 am
Louise found this picture and we both decided it is definitely Officer Reynolds, in his rookie phase:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Rookie-Cop-R.jpg)


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 07, 2006, 10:58:40 am
Here is something that went through my mind while I was writing the first 20 chapters or so of "Taking Chances", and it made me very self-conscious.

During this day, up until the "cock grab" moment in the hotel (which we haven't got to) I had the distinct impression that Ennis was following Ellery around like a puppy - not knowing what to do, aimless, dragged into Ellery's world and the problems of Pete and Bill and Wilson and the Red Stallion all unwittingly.  And something had to change that dynamic.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 07, 2006, 11:09:43 am
chapter 16 and Clint Eastwood gets mentioned...

“Say, don’t you guys, you police guys, don’t you usually have a partner or sumpin. All those police shows they always have a partner. Except for Baretta who’s a lone wolf. Well, Dirty Harry too.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 11:15:55 am
just a little aside: we just passed 73,000 views! Yeah!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 07, 2006, 11:25:41 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 08:12:28 am
A littel bit of introspective Ennis, from Chapter 18:

“Well hell, here I am, just one queer in a whole bar full a queers.”

That is some statement Ennis makes, considering the fact that only that morning he had told Ellery that he didn't like queers or being one.

Quote from: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 08:12:28 am

”Did he really mean what he said when he told him he was attractive? Dammit Ennis, do you want him to put his hands on you or leave you alone? he argued with himself. Right now, he felt a pang of regret that he had made that definite statement “Ain’t ready for that.” After that dream of Jack, his mood had shifted. Or maybe it was that unexpected offer in the car, so delicately put. “If that’s what you want. Whatever it is.” Whatever it is. He knew damn well what it was, down to the moaning and groaning. He knew what he got from Jack, and he knew he wanted more, and Jack was dead and wasn’t comin back. So what ain’t I ready for?

L

This chapter is called Interrogation, and Ennis is not only interrogating Pete but more importantly himself.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 07, 2006, 11:34:45 am
wow, congratulations everyone  on 73,000 views!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moia on December 07, 2006, 04:19:20 pm
Hello! Just wanted to delurk here since I've done so on the Dupree's choice thread and on lj already. I've been following this thread a long time and I'd like to thank everyone for being a fun to read group of posters :)

I did start the reread, but I just can't stop at five chapters when the others are right there, waiting for me :P I read up to 36th chapter on first day I started rereading and then stopped. For now. I don't really have anything to add to the discussion at the moment... Except perhaps that it was nice to see that first day of E&E again :) and be reminded of how it all began when we've already seen how it all ends. Well, almost. I'm hoping Louise just forgets all about wanting to write other things and forgets to stop writing the saga ;) It would make a good Neverending story, no? Well, a girl can hope. Seriously though, as I already said to Louise, she should stop writing when it stops being fun for her. She's given so much already. Let's just keep our fingers crossed it keeps being fun for her :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 07, 2006, 04:45:39 pm
Let me just respond to the thing about finishing the Saga:

There were a number of things involved here.  First of all - no story can be endless, or it will lose its focus.  And I had already expanded the scope of the story to the logical limit of what I felt capable of and qualified to write.  And even in this, I was stretching. I hit some knowledge limits here which in original novel writing I would have felt constrained to stop and research thoroughly before writing, and some of those limits were wearing on me, i.e. with regard to law enforcement procedure, courtroom details, forensic pathology, etc.

Secondly, writing a story of this length and scope is extremely time consuming.  I was fortunate (or unfortunate) to have had a very light duty starting in early April and was extremely bored at work, and writing helped to alleviate some of that.  Once my contract was ended, I knew I would have to move, possibly back to the USA, get a new contract, and possibly much more demanding employment, so it was necessary to free myself up from the daily writing demand I had posed for myself.

And thirdly, I had the need to branch out, and to do other things.  Creatively, as a novelist, writing within the "universe" of BBM, even though I had expanded it greatly into a new territory with dozens of new original characters, still came with a constraint.  That constraint, in the follow-on tales, is not so onerous, and also alleviates some of the demand on time.   But I yearn to do new things, in a venue and with fewer natural knowledge limits - to write once more about history and music, the modern world, and stop stretching my mind back to how things were in that long ago time of the mid 1980's, correcting for the way the world has changed.

It has been a wonderful experience - but not one I can continue indefinitely, no matter how much others desire it.  It is simply not possible to do.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 07, 2006, 04:50:28 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 10:45:47 am
Louise found this picture and we both decided it is definitely Officer Reynolds, in his rookie phase:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Rookie-Cop-R.jpg)


L

I know Officer Reynolds is a stickler for the rules but he's gone a bit mad with the yellow tape hasn't he?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 07, 2006, 04:56:07 pm
yes, and you can read it all here:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/56007

"Rookie Cop Told to Ease Up on Crime Scene Tape"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: moia on December 07, 2006, 05:16:54 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 07, 2006, 04:45:39 pm
Let me just respond to the thing about finishing the Saga:

There were a number of things involved here.  First of all - no story can be endless, or it will lose its focus.  And I had already expanded the scope of the story to the logical limit of what I felt capable of and qualified to write.  And even in this, I was stretching. I hit some knowledge limits here which in original novel writing I would have felt constrained to stop and research thoroughly before writing, and some of those limits were wearing on me, i.e. with regard to law enforcement procedure, courtroom details, forensic pathology, etc.

Secondly, writing a story of this length and scope is extremely time consuming.  I was fortunate (or unfortunate) to have had a very light duty starting in early April and was extremely bored at work, and writing helped to alleviate some of that.  Once my contract was ended, I knew I would have to move, possibly back to the USA, get a new contract, and possibly much more demanding employment, so it was necessary to free myself up from the daily writing demand I had posed for myself.

And thirdly, I had the need to branch out, and to do other things.  Creatively, as a novelist, writing within the "universe" of BBM, even though I had expanded it greatly into a new territory with dozens of new original characters, still came with a constraint.  That constraint, in the follow-on tales, is not so onerous, and also alleviates some of the demand on time.   But I yearn to do new things, in a venue and with fewer natural knowledge limits - to write once more about history and music, the modern world, and stop stretching my mind back to how things were in that long ago time of the mid 1980's, correcting for the way the world has changed.

It has been a wonderful experience - but not one I can continue indefinitely, no matter how much others desire it.  It is simply not possible to do.

You know, Louise, I wasn't being serious with the neverending story comment! It was pure wishful thinking. Writing and updating as well and as fast as you've been -since May! Is it seven months of daily updates? That's absolutely amazing. I read a lot of fic in another fandom and I've never seen anything like this. The WiP form of fanfic to me is a bit similar to following a television series or something. And I think we all know that even if it's a series we absolutely love, hardly anything is good for 7 seasons straight. It's just... Yes, the story looses focus and characters need to grow to be interesting and so they change too much from what we 'fell in love with' at the start etc. etc. And it's perfectly normal for you to want to do other things. I've just been enjoying this so much and I will be sorry to see it end completely, that's all I wanted to say. I hope I didn't say something wrong. And thank you again for this wonderful story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 07, 2006, 05:25:09 pm
well, you may never have seen anything like it in any fandom, but never having written any fan stories before this, I have nothing to compare to, Moia.  And also, writing with a somewhat "live" audience is a completely new experience for me!  particularly an audience so....

big!

Don't worry... I do feel guilty about finishing up the Saga, but that should ease somewhat!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 07, 2006, 09:22:26 pm
Congratulations Laramie fans:  E & E is now #1 most viewed thread at Bettermost!!!!! *yay*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 07, 2006, 09:39:01 pm
What an achievement!  Well, I don't post much, but I certainly contribute in the viewing department. ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 10:01:22 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 07, 2006, 09:22:26 pm
Congratulations Laramie fans:  E & E is now #1 most viewed thread at Bettermost!!!!! *yay*

Yoo hoo Louise...stats chick checking in....we have been the #1 most viewed thread for like, 3 or 4 days?  Okay, I'll forgive you, you are writing all the time, which we love....


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 07, 2006, 10:07:57 pm
oh. Last I saw we were like number 3 in posts or something.  I didn't see the number 1 thing until I was checking my own ranking in the top 10.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 08, 2006, 06:24:40 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 10:01:22 pm
Yoo hoo Louise...stats chick checking in....we have been the #1 most viewed thread for like, 3 or 4 days?  Okay, I'll forgive you, you are writing all the time, which we love....


L

We sure do, Leslie  :)

OMG ~ that's so amazing!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 07:20:45 am
For the re-readers, chapters 21-25 today.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/7884.html

Chapter 21 has the famous steak dinner at the Rose Hotel:


“Hey. Earth callin planet Del Mar. You in there boy?” Ennis turned to the voice and saw those grey eyes look into his. “You are a million miles away Ennis. You wanna eat or get to crawlin through the carpet straight away?”

“Eat, sure, that’d be good.”

Ellery smiled. “Unless you’d like to spend some more time in the art gallery here. It’s still my day off.”

“Uh, no.” He blushed, suddenly embarrassed, and then it struck him – that charm had been redirected from the receptionist and was now turned on him, and it felt like a ray of sunshine creeping over the mountains at dawn and suddenly striking his face, warming him to the bone. “Nope, just like ta see mountains is all.”

Ellery waved his hat toward the restaurant section of the hotel. “Then after you, your table awaits.”


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 08:06:38 am
We are going to have a lot of good quotes today, because these are some of my favorite chapters.

From Chapter 21:

“Shit.” Ennis grinned widely and shut the menu. “I feel like the King a Sweden.”

“King a Sweden doesn’t get no range fed Angus beef off the hoof, Ennis. Just consider it me makin good on the winin and dinin part a our association.”

Ennis looked back at the glittering eyes of the man across the table, and the hair rose on the back of his neck, and he couldn’t decide if he loved or hated how he felt at that moment, but before he had a chance to close his mouth, which had fallen open at Ellery’s last comment, a slip of a girl with a fancy lace-edged apron and lace coif over her blond curls had taken up station at the edge of their table.

“What kin I get you, Deputy Cantrell?” she said, her voice hardly a whisper.

“Me an my assistant here’ll have T-bone steak, with of course all the trimmins and biscuits an applesauce. That all right with you , Del Mar?”

Ennis felt another chill go through him with Ellery’s use of his last name, as though it really were an official dinner of some kind, and he nodded, his mouth paper-dry.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 08:09:16 am
The famous biscuits and gravy line, also from Chapter 21:

“Uh, medium, please, ma’am. An butter with the biscuits, no gravy.”

She scribbled hastily, nodding, then looked at Ellery, who wasn’t paying her any attention at all, and said “That sounds nice, make mine the same, but I would like some gravy. Need ta have somethin to dip my biscuits in.”

Ennis gulped, his eyes widening.

“Oh, drinks, you haven’t ordered any drinks.”

“I think we’ll be havin some of yer beers on tap, unless my associate would like otherwise,” Ellery replied smoothly, nonplussed by Ennis’s reaction.

“Uh. No. That’s. Fine....” he choked out, keenly aware of the gaze of the man facing him. Ennis watched the girl make her way silently across the almost-deserted dining room – it was still early for dinner – and gulped again, his throat dry.

“Why Ennis I think you like it when I talk dirty,” Ellery said, pitching his voice so low it was nearly a whisper, which almost made Ennis jump. “Course its only dirty if you think it is.”

“Ellery...”

“I said I wouldn’t lay hands on ya, but I refrained from promisin not to make provocative allusions at dinner.”

Ennis looked up at last, his face deeply flushed. “No one ever talked ta me like this in public, Ellery, I don’t know... what ta say.”

“Yer doin just fine, Ennis. I just love makin you blush. But if you want I kin stop now and go back to blatherin about what a dumbass Bill is and how stupid I am to get roped into his problems and his bar and his customers.” From the rapid change of topic, Ennis found himself able to breathe again, and realized Ellery was doing the equivalent of giving him body space, pulling his hand away to let him decide how he felt.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 08:14:50 am
Let's be friends, from Chapter 21:

“Because, my friend, I care about my work. It’s important ta me. Chasin ass is great but that isn’t in the big picture. You still got to have some meanin in life, and I get that from chasin bad guys an makin em pay for their misdeeds. Corny as hell and a big cliche. But it’s the truth, and that’s somethin Bill will never, ever get. The big picture.”

“Well I dunno, Ellery. I think I get that.”

Ellery smiled sadly. “Well then, you are the first man ta come along in a dog’s age who did. Maybe I ought ta make you my deputy after all. For real so to speak.”

Ennis laughed. “I haven’t even got a year a high school, Ellery. I’m as ignorant as Pete even if it don’t show.”

Ellery shrugged. “Or maybe I could make ya something else. A friend for example. You don’t suppose you’d care ta be my friend would ya Ennis? For the price of a T-bone steak maybe.”

Ennis raised his glass, his heart feeling full, and not at all jittery at this proposal. “That sounds like the right price, Deputy Sheriff.”

Just then, a busboy came by and slid their salads onto their placemats. “Woulda served em sooner but you seemed ta need ta talk. You want dinner straight away?” Ellery glanced over at Ennis, who nodded. Then he raised his glass, and leaned over, clinking it against Ennis’s. “Then here’s to a fair ending to an absolutely shitty Friday off, and to friendship,” and drank deeply, never taking his eyes off Ennis.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 08:27:48 am
In honor of post 8500, the famous pass from Chapter 22:

“Look, Ennis, you are a sweet and dear man, and it gets my blood up when I look at you, okay? But I made a promise and maybe its time ta make that promise about suggestive remarks.”

“No, it’s ok,” he said, his mumble deepening. “As long as .... as long as there ain’t no one else around.”

Ellery tilted his chin and looked into his eyes. “You mean that?”

Ennis nodded, not trusting his voice, his fingers still kneading the spasm that was now slowly responding to his hard fingers, relaxing his back, and Ellery was able to straighten a bit more.

“Feels better.” Ellery slid his hand up Ennis’s arm to the elbow and then looked at him once more. “Thank you, Ennis.”

Ennis moved, then, the handful of inches between his face and Ellery’s, until he could feel the warmth of Ellery’s breath against his cheek, shifted slightly until their cheeks brushed, and his hand slid down the outside of Ellery’s shirt, seeking his hand, finding it half open against his knee, and grasped it, clamping his own hand hard and pulling it, as though testing the willingness of the man who owned it, to come to him, pulling it into the hard lump now straining against his fly.

“I do... want it,” Ennis said, his voice a harsh, barely heard whisper.

And in answer, Ellery moved his lips against his cheek and toward his ear. “All right. Not here. We’ll go ta my house.” Ennis nodded, wordless now, the die cast, his willingness to fight against himself unwound by the whispered pact of their new intimacy. Ellery brushed his knuckles meaningfully against Ennis’s trapped erection and then pulled back, untangling his hand from that hard grip, letting his lips brush once more against Ennis’s cheek before he spoke, somewhat more audibly. “Let’s make sure we finish lookin here before we give up. Then we got all night. Got to put in a night’s work. The big picture.”

“Right,” Ennis said aloud, his voice a trembling sigh, and he spread his hands out on his knees to try to catch his breath, not daring to look up now that he had spoken his desire to a man in the light of day.

Ellery gave him a soft smile. “It’s alright. Come on.” He got up, testing his back with tentative fingers, and then began a bit more cautiously, to search the room with his flashlight.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 08, 2006, 09:24:21 am
whoo WEE.  That got MY blood up!  The infamous hand/cock grab a la Jack!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Kazza on December 08, 2006, 09:46:08 am
Quote from: louisev on December 08, 2006, 09:24:21 am
whoo WEE.  That got MY blood up!  The infamous hand/cock grab a la Jack!

You know, I never made the connection to Jack's first move on Ennis before now.

Dur! *slaps forehead*

Karen
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 08, 2006, 09:52:09 am
Leslie, your choice in honour of the 8500 posts is just fitting.  This is a very precious chapter to me, I don't know how to express it in English, but I nearly melted reading the following section:

Feels better.” Ellery slid his hand up Ennis’s arm to the elbow and then looked at him once more. “Thank you, Ennis.”

Ennis moved, then, the handful of inches between his face and Ellery’s, until he could feel the warmth of Ellery’s breath against his cheek, shifted slightly until their cheeks brushed, and his hand slid down the outside of Ellery’s shirt, seeking his hand, finding it half open against his knee, and grasped it, clamping his own hand hard and pulling it, as though testing the willingness of the man who owned it, to come to him, pulling it into the hard lump now straining against his fly.

“I do... want it,” Ennis said, his voice a harsh, barely heard whisper.

And in answer, Ellery moved his lips against his cheek and toward his ear. “All right. Not here. We’ll go ta my house.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 09:54:48 am
From Chapter 23:

He followed Ellery out of the Lincoln suite, eyes registering little but the long shock of black hair under the deeper black of his hat, the lean back, which he was now favoring slightly, and atypically, took the stairs one at a time going down. Ennis kept his distance, hovering near the painting he favored most, one of the Bighorns that looked passably close to his mountain – their mountain – and his hand reached up to pat the pocket that held his treasure, one of two treasures that proved to him that his love was real, that he had once loved, and therefore had reason once again to hope that something – someone – could once again quench that raw need that had been fulfilled by only one. He looked up from his reverie to see Ellery tipping his hat with that easy smile, and this time, no pang of jealous irritation assailed him, and he knew why this time: because he had said the words. I want it.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 10:00:48 am
And we discover a place called Glenfiddle, wherever the hell that is, in Chapter 23:

“Somethin tells me we’d be neck an neck for the prize on who’s more scared right now Ennis,” he said conversationally, taking a gulp of his shot. Ennis matched him, gasping down the flaming liquid, pretending he did not hear him.

“Good shit,” he gasped.

“Fifteen years old, it better be good.”

Ennis blinked at him in surprise. “You drink fifteen year old whiskey?”

“This here is single malt scotch from an unmentionable little place my ancestors come from, Glenfiddich, Scotland.”

“Man, Ellery.”

“Yep, all man. Wanna see?” He grinned a bit lopsided and winked, but did not move closer. “So... how ya wanna do this, Ennis? Turn out all the lights and see what happens?”

“Uh...” Ennis was stupefied by his directness. “I dunno. Been a long time.”

Ellery nodded, setting down his glass and pouring again. “Or we can jes get drunk and see who gives in first. Shall we?” he waved a hand at the sofa facing the bookcases, inviting Ennis to sit. “We got plenty a whiskey to get us totally blasted, we won’t know what hit us.”

“That sounds good,” Ennis said, and despite the fear making him tremble like kitten, he grinned at Ellery, the fire of the scotch burning all the way from his lips to the bottom of his belly, scorching him, and they sat down together, side by side.

Ellery leaned forward a bit and touched the rim of his glass to Ennis’s. “To extreme drunkenness,” and tossed his hat onto the table.

Ennis reached for his own hat and set it down, and it cocked against the black hat. “To ... Glenfiddle Scotland,” he said. “Wherever the hell it is.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 10:06:55 am
For my 3500th post, one of my favorite lines. I put it in bold. From Chapter 24:

“How about we start small?” Ellery said, his voice pitched low, the sound of it making the hair stand up all over Ennis’s back, and he gulped as Ellery turned and leaned toward him, gradually, slowly, his cheek brushing Ennis’s shirt collar before his mouth connected with Ennis’s neck, touching it softly, making a soft sound as he kissed the throbbing pulse beneath his ear. Ennis stopped breathing, and Ellery pulled back. “Well?”

Ennis nodded, not trusting himself to speech, and he tried once more, this time moving in slightly closer, brushing his lips against Ennis’s jaw, and spoke. “How does a grown man have such a soft face?” he asked, nibbling up the edge of his jaw to find his lips, then breathed against Ennis’s mouth, his own lips just barely touching, and he opened his eyes, gazing into Ennis’s, letting out a slight gasp as Ennis’s arms came around him suddenly, crushing him in a near-violent embrace as his mouth bore down in a desperate kiss.


I am melting here...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 10:12:18 am
Another wonderful passage, with some classic Ellery-speak at the end. Chapter 25:

“Twenty years, Ellery. Sneakin aroun, camping here an there, an always every time thinkin someone’ll find out, someone is gonna go after em. An one day, I guess they did.”

“Too bad you weren’t in Laramie. I coulda found the assholes that done it.”

“Wife said it was a accident with a tire.”

“You don’t think so.”

“No I sure as hell don’t. Ellery I sure am sorry.”

“Ennis.”

“Huh?”

“Do you know how many cumulative hours and words have been consumed by my bitching about, bitching to, being bitched at and doing bullshit crap for my ex boyfriend Bill? Do you have any conception?”

“Uh... .well, a lot.”

“Don’t you think its fair you got to talk about yours?”

Ennis blew out a breath. “Yer right. I guess... I guess its time. I didn’t want ta tell ya. I knew you was innerested. Didn’t want ta scare ya off.”

“Ennis I would have zero interest in you if you could walk away from a man you cared about for half a your whole life and hop inta bed with me without a second thought. Did that occur ta you? Everything about you says you had some great tragedy hangin over you. I been a police detective for almost 15 years already and if it’s one thing I understand is people. I was ready to wait it out, have some scotches, exchange phone numbers, meet up, shoot some pool or fish till you finally dug it out, see if you might make a go of it again, but its you jumped the gun. I ain’t sorry yer grievin him. Makes you a damn sight more human than... well ... the aforementioned people I keep aforementioning.”

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 10:20:15 am
Some more from Chapter 25:

“You mattered a whole lot, Ennis,” Ellery said, his voice a bare whisper in his ear as he set the book down on the nightstand. “And you mattered for a good long time, too.” Ellery raised the hand that was looped around Ennis’s chest, caressing the muscular shoulder, dipping down to press his lips against the nape where his short blond curls thinned to fine down.

“Yeah,” Ennis said, taking a deeper drag on the cigar. “I guess I did.”

“You matter ta me, too Ennis. With or without the sex. Just lying here holdin you is more lovin than I ever thought I would see again.”

“Thank you,” Ennis murmured, embarrassed once more, turning his head slightly to look at Ellery, catching a glance at the side of his face, the grey eyes glittering, not with mischief but with some unnamed emotion which made Ennis’s heart ache.

Ellery grinned, getting up onto an elbow to look into his face. “You and your little please and thank yous. Do you have any idea how sexy and endearing that is? Like yer grandma raised ya ta be all proper or ya went to one a them Catholic schools.”

“Nope, just easy to do an makes everyone a sight more pleasant is all.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: merrobot on December 08, 2006, 12:44:25 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 08, 2006, 10:00:48 am
And we discover a place called Glenfiddle, wherever the hell that is, in Chapter 23:

Ennis reached for his own hat and set it down, and it cocked against the black hat. “To ... Glenfiddle Scotland,” he said. “Wherever the hell it is.”


Umm...someone's been yanking Ellery's chain  :o - there is no place called Glenfiddich, it's distilled in Dufftown near Elgin in the North East of Scotland.  I have it on good authority that is is pretty good stuff though :)  Cantrell isn't a Scottish name either, it's apparently Anglo-Norman but possibly Ellery has Scottish roots from another side of his family.  Who knows??
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 08, 2006, 01:39:31 pm
Time for some Jakey and Hughdity goodness  ;D  :D


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/jake_gyllenhaal.jpg)


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/839276002.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 08, 2006, 01:40:40 pm
And some chest!  :P


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hugh012.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 08, 2006, 02:20:08 pm
                         
                              natalie thats beautiful..where do you come up with these pictures...do you have a private photog on retainer?   you end up with
some that arent seen anywhere else.    thanks for those...                                                                                    janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 08, 2006, 02:22:26 pm
Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on December 08, 2006, 02:20:08 pm
                         
                              natalie thats beautiful..where do you come up with these pictures...do you have a private photog on retainer?   you end up with
some that arent seen anywhere else.    thanks for those...                                                                                    janice

The pic of Jake I got it from People Magazine and Hugh's I usually get them from Jackman's Landing, a fan site of Hugh.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 08, 2006, 02:22:50 pm


                        for those ellery and ennis fans, be sure to check out the latest chapter of jeremys choice, its the boys all over again...

              ennis still has the legbone in his ear in this time period....                                   good stuff
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 09, 2006, 06:41:50 am
Well folks, it's Saturday, and beating Leslie to the punch (for once), the Rereading club is finally at "Getting Fancy"!  One of the more familiar expressions in the Saga:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/8985.html  Chapter 26:  Getting Fancy

the infamous "bone shuddering thrust" of their frantic, drunken coupling which inaugurated their sexual relationship under the influence of Glenfiddle:



Ennis took a deep breath, his mind clouded with smoke, scotch, laughter and the hot brand of memory... the memory of endless bouts of hard, rough sex on the open mountainside, in cold, leaky tents, in sour, sweat soaked bedrolls, and bent over Ellery’s back then straightened up, plunging in with a bone shuddering thrust, and a cry came from one of them – he did not know which, but it did not stop him, but merely spurred him on, to the breathtaking conclusion, the race to conquer the need that could not be quenched, his fingers closing on the prominent hipbones – he knew, this was not Jack, but it didn’t have to be right now, it was enough that he knew Jack loved him... that he mattered, that he was all right, and whatever he did, seemed all right, at this moment.  The cigar smoldered in the ashtray and went out, forgotten in their sweaty striving, short grunts giving way to deeper, more passionate moans, and sweat coursed off Ennis’s chest, dripping down onto Ellery’s back as he finally released with a short, sharp cry, erupting suddenly and pulling back as though shocked, teetering and half falling onto the bed, trapping Ellery’s legs beneath one outstretched thigh.  Moments later, Ellery stretched out next to him, and peeked out from under a shock of black hair at Ennis, eyes wet, half closed.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 09, 2006, 06:45:18 am
and another Ellery rant-at-Bill in chapter 27, the morning after the night before, sets the tone for Bill's later jealous approaches when he realizes Ellery has a new man:

As Ennis found his way to the kitchen, the phone rang, and heard Ellery groan. "Goddamn fuckin Bill," he said loudly, and after three rings he picked up on the extension in the bedroom. "What now, you bleedin? Yes I told ya I was comin over today. Fuck Bill - it's... it's 7 o'clock and no I ain't eatin breakfast with ya. We ain't a couple no more, goddammit!" A pause. Ennis opened the fridge and got out milk and eggs, found a loaf of white bread and put two slices in the toaster as he rummaged through the cabinet for a fry pan. The kitchen was spare but well organized, all the dishes neatly put away, and an automatic coffee maker already filled, on the counter. He checked the water level and turned it on, its gurgle obscuring part of what Ellery was saying, but not all.

"Well get over yer little girl hissy fit. If I kin sit in yer kitchen waitin on you while you're slidin your dick down Gene's throat, you can damn well wipe outta yer mind what I do on Friday night across town, Bill. Grow up will ya? Just for a few hours." Another pause. "No its gonna be a while because I can't fuckin move right now because I'm fuckin crippled like I usually am after I sleep wrong, now fuck off Bill, please, for at least a few hours."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 09, 2006, 09:31:19 am
Interesting insight by Ennis, into Ellery's personality. From Chapter 28:

“Then let’s have some breakfast an more coffee and cartoons. Maybe I can rub yer back if that helps atall.”

“Leave the brace on a while till the percodans kick in and maybe after. It won’t be so hard goin then. Sorry bout that. I had this big plan a wakin you up givin you the blowjob of yer life and here I can’t even touch my toes.”

Ennis dropped his fork.

“Sorry. But it’s true, I’m a horny sumbitch once I got a taste.”

“Well, me too.” He shifted in his seat, uncomfortable with the sudden fierce erection that had been awakened by Ellery’s casual mention of a blowjob. One thing he and Jack did little of over the years was to talk about sex. But Ellery was another matter. He seemed to need to talk, to apologize for his limitations, as a sort of reassurance to Ennis. Maybe this was part of his intolerance for talkative people. He himself had a need to talk, and needed a good listener to absorb all of what pressed upon him to express.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 09, 2006, 09:41:06 am
From Chapter 30:

Ellery looked up, slate eyes drilling into Bill’s miserable ones. “Took a few licks from a baseball bat, Bill. How’d you like a few licks from a baseball bat, eh Bill?”

“El, please...” Bill moaned, as if pleading to be put out of his misery.

Ellery leaned back over the bar as though to take another run at Bill. “I about had enough a you. Now we’re gonna go upstairs, and get Ennis’s stuff, an I’m goin back home and soak in a tub, and if that phone rings it better be you tellin me about your plan on how you are gonna make this up to me. Because I am so pissed right now I could take out a few a your teeth one by one ... right in front a yer useless piece of ass boyfriend!”

Ellery turned then, and stalked at his usual speed out of the bar and up the stairs to the apartment. Ennis followed in his wake, trying not to look at Bill’s misery-filled face, which by the time Ellery had finished, was streaked with tears.

Leslie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 09, 2006, 03:45:31 pm
Ellery really does have a way with words, doesn't he?  The quick wit, the sharp retorts - it's fascinating just listening to him talk!  Of course, I guess it's only fascinating if you're not on the receiving end of it !  ;D   

Great quotes!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 09, 2006, 05:53:40 pm
Quote from: notBastet on December 04, 2006, 07:08:52 pm
I really like that cowboy picture, NavyVet, would you mind if I used it for an avatar?

Feel free!

Just in case anyone questions its origin, I should give credit:  I found it at 'Webshots'.

Sorry it took me so long to answer.  I just got back and I'm on page 561.

So, hey, gang!  I'm so glad to be home!!!

Seasickness is NOT fun - I'm still having dizzy spells.  And NO Internet all week.  DH wouldn't let me pay their rediculous price of $.75 per freakin' minute even though the sumbitch won a black jack tournament.

I'm exhausted - going ta bed soon.  I hope to start re-reading at Chapter 1 tomorrow.

G'night, y'all!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 09, 2006, 06:05:39 pm
WB Navyvet!

I hope you enjoy "Dupree's Choice" when you wake up again!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 10:00:48 am
Re-readers! Chapters 31 to 35:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/10433.html

A little bit of Ellery talking dirty...

“Am I still drivin?” Ennis asked as they approached the car.

“You better, I see two a you right now, not that I have any objection, but I don’t think that extra is a real Ennis.”

Ennis smiled faintly, and unlocked the El Camino. “How you feelin?”

“Not feelin any pain any more, but I am thinkin about your hands, my back, my second bottle a Glennfiddle an some soft music, and not a stitch a clothes in sight."

and a few minutes later...

Ennis pulled the El Camino into the carport.

“You ready for a little naughty talk, backrub an Glenfiddle, lover?” Ellery said as they climbed out of the car.

Ennis took a sharp breath, old habit dying hard, and looked around him to see if anyone heard. Ellery laughed, seeing his reaction. “Yeah.”

“Then let’s go.”





L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 10:11:40 am
Chapter 32 is full of hot, sexy goodness...

They took the time to bathe, Ennis running the tub full of hot water, and helping Ellery out of his brace and then into the tub, and he knelt beside it, rubbing up and down those long, lean limbs with an oversized sponge, from time to time splashing him teasingly and then reaching his hands down under the soapy water to grasp his cock, massaging it to firmness while Ellery leaned back, moaning softly against the ceramic wall of the tub, yielding to Ennis’s hand... and then he would stop, rub his wet hands down his arms and back, turn him gently and start in scrubbing with the sponge down the length of his narrow back, taking care not to twist his aching spine.

“You done this before, Ennis.”

“I swear I have not, Deputy,” he said, humor in his voice. “It’s jest a natural instinct a mine.” But it occurred to him belatedly, he had done this before, bathed his little daughters, turning them this way and that in the washtub when they were tiny, making sure they were soaped up from head to toe before squeezing the sponge out and giving them a shower rinse, making them squeal with delight. His face colored slightly as he remembered... bathing his daughters, somehow associating that with bathing his ... lover.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 10:18:40 am
Chapter 33, Ennis introspection:

And what of Ennis’s sudden liaison with Ellery? Was this a weekend fling, which he would drive away from at Sunday closing time, with a wave and a slap on the ass? He felt a sharp pain travel through his gut, half pain, half longing. Could he even do that? He remembered what it was like, that first time, after that rarefied flight he and Jack made through the clouds on the top of that mountain, thrown together and then clinging without letting go, until the day they brought the sheep down, turned, and drove off. That pain which had never truly left, but grew less when Jack was back in his arms, then grew keen and sharp when they drove off in separate directions once again… all those years. Is that what this is gonna be? He thought, with a twinge of despair. What if I can’t bear to drive off an leave this one?

He felt, by alterations, a wild joy and corresponding despair. He pulled Ellery closer, the boneless relaxation of sleep made his light body resistless to the fierce embrace, and did not let go. He couldn’t let go. He needed this… this man, this contact, this pleasure – like a drowning man needs air. But how could he say so? When would the moment come when those grey eyes would fix coldly on his and say “well, so long Ennis, been fun.” Was it Ellery’s words he feared – or his own? Was he doomed to drive off in his truck, and let this one out of his sights too? Was he going to repeat the whole sordid, gut-wrenching history of self denial all over again? Had he changed at all, really?

He held tight to the sleeping body that had suddenly become a precious touchstone for him, a talisman, and sucked a deep lungful of Ellery’s Cuban cigar, feeling the sweetish aroma flood through him. He would never think of Ellery again without associating him with this unique aroma, alluring, sweet and yet underlyingly, deeply pungent – contradictions wrapped into one being, just as Ennis was paradoxically happy and grief-laden, all in the same moment.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 10:19:51 am
Some more from Chapter 33:

Ellery looked at him in puzzlement. “Ya know just because we’re getting busy here in the bedroom don’t mean it’s stamped in red ink across yer forehead for everyone ta see. Yer afraid that look a gratification gonna give you away to everyone else?”

Ennis frowned. “Gave it away ta Bill.”

Ellery laughed. “Bill thinks I’m fuckin the mailman, the milkman an half the customers in the bar too. That don’t mean shit.”

“Fair enough.”

“I won’t hold yer hand in the diner, Ennis. I promise.”

“You won’t say none a that stuff ta rile me up? You know how easy I get riled…”

Ellery grinned at him. “I promise. If I embarrass you a tall then we can eat meals in after this, fair enough?”

“All right then.” Ennis felt his fear edge off slightly at his easy reassurance. But he was still nervous as a cat, and Ellery was absolutely right: it felt like this bone-loosening pleasure that had so deeply moved him, was written all over his face like a neon sign sayin “I’m queer and I fucked a man silly all mornin.” But that didn’t make it true.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 10:33:33 am
Chapter 34 and we learn that Ennis has a thing for men in uniforms!

He nodded once more. He didn’t have the balls to tell Ellery that the official uniform had given him an even more compelling presence, something that he found immensely alluring, but at the same time made him feel immune from the world around him, stronger, perhaps, because he was accompanied by The Law. Somehow, Ellery knew this, which may be a reason why he had donned the uniform for the trip out and to the hospital. It also instilled a sense of formality in his interactions with Ellery, pushing firmly into the background of their interaction with each other the sudden intense sexual intimacy that made Ennis so self-conscious.

“Glad ta hear it. I was sorta afraid maybe…” he leaned forward, his voice dropping to a barely heard whisper….”you might have some thing for uniforms.”

Ennis blushed brightly and set his mug down on the table, his eyes staring, and Ellery dropped his gaze. “Sorry,” he said, his voice if anything, even less audible.

“S’alright.” But Ennis was trembling, his eyes looking up and around to see if anyone around them had seen or heard the interchange. The two other patrons, hunched over their meals, seemed to not even notice them, and the waitress was in the kitchen. His breathing gradually returned to normal, and he picked up his mug again shakily.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 10, 2006, 10:35:14 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 10:18:40 am
Chapter 33, Ennis introspection:

And what of Ennis’s sudden liaison with Ellery? Was this a weekend fling, which he would drive away from at Sunday closing time, with a wave and a slap on the ass? He felt a sharp pain travel through his gut, half pain, half longing. Could he even do that? He remembered what it was like, that first time, after that rarefied flight he and Jack made through the clouds on the top of that mountain, thrown together and then clinging without letting go, until the day they brought the sheep down, turned, and drove off. That pain which had never truly left, but grew less when Jack was back in his arms, then grew keen and sharp when they drove off in separate directions once again… all those years. Is that what this is gonna be? He thought, with a twinge of despair. What if I can’t bear to drive off an leave this one?

He felt, by alterations, a wild joy and corresponding despair. He pulled Ellery closer, the boneless relaxation of sleep made his light body resistless to the fierce embrace, and did not let go. He couldn’t let go. He needed this… this man, this contact, this pleasure – like a drowning man needs air. But how could he say so? When would the moment come when those grey eyes would fix coldly on his and say “well, so long Ennis, been fun.” Was it Ellery’s words he feared – or his own? Was he doomed to drive off in his truck, and let this one out of his sights too? Was he going to repeat the whole sordid, gut-wrenching history of self denial all over again? Had he changed at all, really?

He held tight to the sleeping body that had suddenly become a precious touchstone for him, a talisman, and sucked a deep lungful of Ellery’s Cuban cigar, feeling the sweetish aroma flood through him. He would never think of Ellery again without associating him with this unique aroma, alluring, sweet and yet underlyingly, deeply pungent – contradictions wrapped into one being, just as Ennis was paradoxically happy and grief-laden, all in the same moment.

L



Good morning, Leslie.  Thank you for the wonderful quotes.  This one is a particular favorite.  I always love the introspection.  Really exquisite writing.  It's great to hop over here and be "comforted" by the E&E re-read! You've heard of comfort food?  Well, they are my comfort read!   :) E&E scenes always give me a nice warm, peaceful feeling (and even more so now that I know the ending!). 

I was thrilled to read about Louise's plan to write Ellery's POV.  There are so many times while reading this that I've wondered - and what exactly is Ellery thinking? 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 10:38:21 am
Some more from Chapter 34...Ennis tries to set some boundaries, and Ellery teaches him about Indian girl therapy!

After getting into clear roadway away from other buildings, he suddenly pulled off onto the shoulder and shut the car off.

Ellery looked up, startled, but before he could speak Ennis leaned over toward him and grabbed his hand. “Now listen. One thing ya got ta understand about me, Ellery. An I hope I don’t have to say this moren once. You whisper somethin ta me like what you did in there, this is what happens.” He pulled his thin hand down and pressed it into his crotch, his rigid erection strained against his fly. “I ain’t had any fuckin like that for a coupla years and you got me goin just sayin that. You tol’ me you’d be careful but you got ta be a whole lot more careful, got that?”

Ellery let his hand go slack, looking into the fierce gleam of Ennis’s wide eyes, his expression an arresting mixture of lust and fear, and nodded, then said softly, “I’m really sorry. I wasn’t tryin ta –“

“I know,” Ennis said, releasing his hand. “You don’t know me all that good yet. Now you know one thing more. An whisperin is one thing that – well, it’s one thing that’s pretty much guaranteed.” He started the car again, his breathing labored as he tried to bring his arousal under control once more. “There’s a lot I don’t know bout me, never really had much of a chance ta find out. An me an Jack – well we never rode around anywheres where people were so I never had ta worry bout it. Now, I got ta worry about it all the time. There was this once – when we hadn’t seen each other since the time on the mountain – first time he come ta visit me, and the minute I set eyes on him, he stepped on my porch... I grabbed him right out there in broad daylight, with my wife behind the screen door. For weeks after I thought I was gonna be knifed ta death in my sleep, worryin about what she thought.”

“Shit, Ennis,” Ellery said, now thoughtful.

“That’s why we’d go up campin in the mountains. No one ta see me get roused an riled over a man. An I’m sittin here in a car right in the middle a Laramie with a boner so hard I could sharpen a knife.”

“Think a the Indian girl,” Ellery said.

Ennis stared at him as though he had gone insane. “Think a the what?”

“Think a that brown Indian girl on the butter box sittin in yer lap with that big red lipped smile, that oughta cool ya down. Does it for me every time I get overheated in an inconvenient locale.”



(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Maiden.gif)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 04:33:48 pm
Re-readers...

I leave this evening for a quick trip to Washington, DC, and tomorrow promises to be an 18 hour day from hell. I won't be online most of the day, if at all. I am posting the link to chapter 36 here (tomorrow's reading is 36-40) and I am going to count on you good people to come up with some great quotes...okay?

http://louisev.livejournal.com/11538.html

I should be back to normal (albeit exhausted) on Tuesday.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 11, 2006, 12:43:26 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 04:33:48 pm
Re-readers...

I leave this evening for a quick trip to Washington, DC, and tomorrow promises to be an 18 hour day from hell. I won't be online most of the day, if at all. I am posting the link to chapter 36 here (tomorrow's reading is 36-40) and I am going to count on you good people to come up with some great quotes...okay?

http://louisev.livejournal.com/11538.html

I should be back to normal (albeit exhausted) on Tuesday.

L
Have a good trip Leslie. You are doing a sterling job!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 11, 2006, 06:12:07 am
From chapter 36, Ellery explains what attracted him to Ennis . with the patented "You think I'm checkin yer spellin here, boy?"



“True, I ain’t got no back problem, and I ain’t got no Bill. But I haven’t got much else, Ellery. I ... I didn’t go ta no college.”

“Didn’t think you had, Ennis.”

“Didn’t even get to tenth grade..”

“I never thought about it.”

“Yer a college educated fancy intelligent man, Ellery.”

Ellery closed his hand over Ennis’s. “And I like you just fine just like you are. If college boys turned me on... you already heard this speech I think in one a my tirades ta Bill. Maybe its time ta pull you over the side a the road Ennis, an give you a talkin to. I am a loud, mouthy, opinionated bastard who drives like a demon and spends way too much time at work thinkin way too much about other people’s troubles. I got a bad back, a bad temper, and I can’t cook for shit, which is why my kitchen is so nice an clean. An for lo these many years – you talk about not gettin it fer two years – I haven’t had a good workout in the sack for four years Ennis, you know what that’s like?”

“Yeah. Yeah I do.”

“Well then imagine how I am feelin right now. You think I’m checkin yer spellin here boy? I don’t drop no twelve dollar t-bone steak in front a every guy who drives in from Sage on a weekend and ends up sittin in the bar at the Red Stallion, Ennis. I did it fer you. Only – fer you.”

Ennis gave him a frustrated, puzzled look. “Yeah. But – why?”

Ellery leaned over and dug his fingers into Ennis’s collar, pulling his face close. “Because I wanted you. And now that I had ya I want ya even more.”

Ennis blushed hotly, trying to look away.

“Don’t be pullin away here Ennis – look at me. You are some kinda special man. You had yourself somethin special you held onto for twenty fuckin years, even without two pairs a pants, an you really loved somebody. And what I been looking for all this time, while my temper got worse an worse an I got more and more lonesome sittin here in my nice little house with my nice little thousands a books an movies, is a man who knows what lovin is. You’ve done it. I been to college an I been a police detective for fifteen years but there is one clue I never uncovered, and that is how you love a man an keep lovin him. You have done it. Now I wanna know how.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 11, 2006, 06:14:44 am
Well, this is from chapter 30. I know is a few chapters back, but I just love this comment from Ellery


“Speaking of which,” Ellery ignored him, “How is ol’ Pete, and who is watchin him now?”

“Gene is supposed ta be.”

“Gene is standing in the door posing for Playgirl. So who is really watchin Pete?” Ellery looked at Ennis. “Do you mind goin up to see everything is all right with Pete for me please?”

LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 11, 2006, 06:58:18 am
From Chapter 37:

Ennis stirred. “Ellery… I forgot about something. I got ta go get my truck, can’t leave it sit up by the bar like that.”

Ellery pulled back and sat up, eyes half mast with that stupefied, sex-drunk gaze. “Yeah, forgot that too. Anything that’s less than a mile from the Red Stallion I sorta put outta sight, outta mind. But I sorta wonder why Bill hasn’t called ta nag me again.”

“Don’t wish it on us, we can just go get the truck if you think ya can drive, then come back an I can make us some food.”

“I didn’t scare ya off with the boyfriend speech?”

Ennis looked at his soberly. “You didn’t mention no boyfriend, Ellery.”

“No its true but … you ain’t drivin off inta the sunset just yet?”

“No,” Ennis shook his head, a crease distorting the smooth brow. “I got ta think but I don’t got ta go just now.”

“I’m glad. There ain’t no pressure, Ennis, but I sure as hell liked doin that, an I want ta do a whole lot more of it if yer willin.”

“Just no whisperin in public diners. An… I wouldn’t suggest doin this other thing ta me where people are tryin ta be decent,” he laughed softly.

“You are changing Ennis Del Mar,” Ellery said, sitting up and looking at him.

“Yeah. Scarin me a bit. But maybe not so much. Scared me a whole lot ta think a sittin in my daughter’s den in an ol rockin chair an think I might never feel like this anymore, Ellery. Scared I’d die an never know if I would be happy for five minutes at one time ever again. An unemployment ain’t somethin’ I can endure before something has got ta give, an maybe all my holdin back an holdin back finally broke the camel’s back.”

“It ain’t so bad is it?” came Ellery’s soft voiced question.

“Dunno. Haven’t thought about it long enough.”

“Sure enough.” Ellery buttoned his shirt, wiped a hand across his mouth. “Let’s go get the truck then.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on December 11, 2006, 07:47:19 am
From chapter 38. This is beautiful

Ennis put the knife down, carefully, and sank into the kitchen chair, hands over his face, suddenly trembling as though with some long-delayed shock. “Jack – Jesus Jack.... “ He felt in his shirt pocket for his talisman, the journal, and wiping his hands carefully on his denims he flipped through the pages, past the entry he had read, so long ago, in Ellery’s bed.

“July 22: Ennis stayed up on the allotmint through breakfast an I about died without him. Went into the tent and just laid there smellin the blankets. This boy is not sane if he can’t be without it every six seven hours, and summer is wearing on too fast. Crazy about that boy. Wonder if he’s crazy about me.

Ennis put his head down in his hands, tears leaking through them, dry sobs making his shoulders heave, but only small sounds emerged. He was crazy about Jack... mad crazy, and didn’t know it, didn’t know it...he had stayed up on the mountain one morning, just so that he could think without Jack there, because whenever he was in camp, his eyes would follow that restless step, watching his body move, wanting him to come over and say something, to get within grabbing distance so he could knock off his hat, rile him, pull him down and over and get him under him... his breath came hard, like fire in his chest, a wave of grief fully as powerful as the wave of pleasure that had washed over him on the sofa, like the other shoe dropping from a world of shadowy pain.

“Jack... jes let me live,” he said softly. “Let me live, let me have this, don’t make me grieve you forever an ever...”

He heard a sound in the doorway. “Ennis?”

He looked up. He didn’t have his hat to conceal the coursing tears that were staining his cheeks, and he choked down the heavy lump that blocked his throat, a powerful cry of frustration and despair wanted to well up – to tighten itself into an angry shout, but he forced it back down.

“Nothin... nothin... jes... shit Ellery.” Ellery came across the room, arm raised to stroke his head, to offer some condolence, and Ennis held the journal out. “Read that, read that. Who am I ta make that boy want me so bad? What is it about me that he wanted me like that?”

Ellery looked at the scribbled pencilled passage. “You’re the one who loved em, Ennis,” Ellery said, his voice soft, pitched like the voice Ennis used to settle Gene down that morning. “Love is a powerful thing.” He stroked the short hairs over Ennis’s temple, smoothing them back.

“Well it fuckin scares the piss outta me, now ya know.” Ennis said, wiping his eyes and rising abruptly, stuffing the journal, now tightly clenched in his hand, back into his pocket. Somehow, he had to get through this. And somehow, Ellery’s simple reply had seemed to be the right answer to his question.

Ellery sat down at the table, looking at his hands for a while, silent. “I don’t spect you to stop grievin for yer man, Ennis. You might need ta take things a whole lot more slow...”

“No. I like this. I like bein with you. I like – fuckin you, makin dinner, watchin movies.” He bunched up his fists as if to strike out at whatever it was that was causing the pain in his guts. “I want this. I don’t want to take no slow nothin. I sat in a chair in Junior’s spare room for two years askin myself why I was such a fuckin goddamn cripple that I couldn’t jes do what I wanted and be with em like he wanted. Have a sweet life somewheres. Be queer. Well why couldn’t I? I don’t even know anymore, but I lost. I lost somethin I thought I was never gonna lose... and it pisses me off ta think about all this an how bad it all went and now I got somethin I like an I’m thinkin maybe I can’t have it, neither. Does that make any sense to you at all?”

He nodded. “Yeah it does. Ya might want ta turn down that water before it boils over.”

Ennis blinked then adjusted the fire on the range. “I don’ wanna go, but I think... I gotta think, and I can’t think around you. Don’ wanna go just yet but I just need ta ... go an sit under a tree an think about it. Do you understand Ellery?”

“Yeah, I do.”

“All I want ta do when you’re here is ta be with you, talk to you... all of it... but I got ta think. Will ya still be here if I do that?”

“Yeah, as long as ya need.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 11, 2006, 07:59:05 am
from chapter 39 Brokeback.

Ennis finds the letter Jack had written to him...

“Dear Ennis,

Maybe this is the kinda mushy shit girls do, but maybe that is just how I am. I ain’t never felt this way about anyone and I doubt seriously, being the ripe age of nineteen now that I will. Maybe I’m wrong. Never got too far with a girl and never wanted to, but I don’t want to let you go, boy. Don’t ever want to let you go. My Daddy is a tough bastard but when it comes to family keeps his mouth shut, and told me if I stayed up in Lightning Flat he would let me build a separate place, maybe a cabin instead of a full size house. There’s enough work up there for two hands besides him. I’m heading there when we leave, whenever it is, and I’m going to ask him about making the cabin and having another hand come up. It’ll be private no worry there. I don’t think I can go on thinking bout living the rodeo life instead of being with you. Ennis you got me good, please, think about it. Because I love you. Jack.”

this chapter got me good too louise.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 11, 2006, 08:15:19 am
you guys got all the good quotes!  I didn't realize how painful that stuff was to go back to reading! ai yi yi.  Poor Ennis!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on December 11, 2006, 07:08:08 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 11, 2006, 07:59:05 am
from chapter 39 Brokeback.

Ennis finds the letter Jack had written to him...

“Dear Ennis,

Maybe this is the kinda mushy shit girls do, but maybe that is just how I am. I ain’t never felt this way about anyone and I doubt seriously, being the ripe age of nineteen now that I will. Maybe I’m wrong. Never got too far with a girl and never wanted to, but I don’t want to let you go, boy. Don’t ever want to let you go. My Daddy is a tough bastard but when it comes to family keeps his mouth shut, and told me if I stayed up in Lightning Flat he would let me build a separate place, maybe a cabin instead of a full size house. There’s enough work up there for two hands besides him. I’m heading there when we leave, whenever it is, and I’m going to ask him about making the cabin and having another hand come up. It’ll be private no worry there. I don’t think I can go on thinking bout living the rodeo life instead of being with you. Ennis you got me good, please, think about it. Because I love you. Jack.”

this chapter got me good too louise.

But equally good is Ennis' letter in reply.

From Chapter 40:

“Dear Jack,

You was a stupid ass ta be in love with me becuss I wasnt ready for nothing at all except fucking and talking and drinking. And you got to know that I am fucking sorry for that. In sum way I wish I could make time go backwerd and I could be as smart as I am today but I dont have any power to that. But I can say that I am sorry. I been sorry for every minute since I last saw yer sad blue eyes and you were killed. You were beautaful to me, Jack. You were the most beautaful man in the world to me but I never told you and that I am sorry for to. I found a new man who told me he is goin to find out how you died and if you was killed I will find the men who did it and get vengence.

You were beautaful to me and I loved you. And I will always be sorry I never told you those two things. But I wont be sorry at all to find out how you was killed. I made a grave for you on Brokeback so you can be where you wanted to be, and when I can I’ll come back here and put flowers on it and say a prayer for you.

I will always love you. And any body who comes up to Brokeback will know I did. Ennis Del Mar.”

I love that line 'You were beautaful to me and I loved you.'
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 11, 2006, 07:17:10 pm
ah yeah, sigh.

I debated with myself about whether to write "I loved you" or "I love you", but I thought in Ennis's case, he wanted to stress the point that he had lost Jack, and that he had loved him then, and he was beautiful to him, and had held back - then.  But that he no longer feels the need to hold back on that recognition of what he had felt when Jack was alive.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 12, 2006, 01:27:08 am
I am home from Washington and it is Tuesday (although it is very early in the morning) so for the re-readers, today we tackle chapters 41 to 45.

Link to 41 is here:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/12990.html

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on December 12, 2006, 03:54:44 am
Do I get to go first? Must be one of the advantages of being an antipodean!

One of the excellent 'running jokes' all through the book is those phone calls Ellery keeps getting from Bill, always coming at an inconvenient moment, the moments becoming increasingly inconvenient as the story goes on. Here we get a typical full-on example of 'Ellery-speak', from Chapter44:


“If that is Bill I’m hangin up.” He strode over to the telephone. “Hello? Well, if it isn’t Bill Early.” Ennis stopped eating, but stayed seated, his fingers bunching into fists.

“Thank you kindly for that apology Bill. I forgive you.” His voice paused. “No, you can’t come over an apologize in person, an no I ain’t alone if that’s the real question. I am dining right now with a friend and would like to get back to it.” Another brief pause. “No it is not any of yer fuckin business, and if you want another black eye you just come right on down an I am sure Ennis would love to give you one. Now that answers yer other question. Good bye Bill.” He hung up and strode back into the kitchen. “Fuckin Bill,” he sighed.

What's especially good about this is that you can easily work out what it is that Bill must be saying at the other end, and exactly what is the real reason for the call: he's filled with suspicion and jealousy of Ellery's developing relationship with Ennis. I had totally missed this in the previous two readings I have made of the story. Bill was interested in Ennis and offered him $100 so that he would stay at the Red Stallion over the weekend, not really to look after Pete, but so that he (Bill) could have the opportunity to seduce Ennis. No wonder he's so frequently calling Ellery - Ellery has 'stolen' Ennis away from him before he had a chance to do anything.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 12, 2006, 06:04:09 am
I wasn't sure that many people got the "running joke" nature of Bill's ever-more-inconvenient phone calls... but it was a good buildup to when Wayne eventually showed up and he got all of the Bill-wrath that had been stewing for the entire first book!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 12, 2006, 06:08:44 am
chapter 42: 

Ennis swallowed down the remains of his coffee, feeling slightly more awake. “Maybe if I had more schoolin an less ranchin I coulda done somethin like be a policeman.”

“You got a real good right hook Ennis, you could take down a perp in a bar brawl like a champ.”

Ennis grinned. “Bill shouldn’t a laid hands on ya, Ellery, that made me really mad.”

“Yer right about that boy. There’s only one man I want ta lay hands on me an I’m lookin at him. Want some more coffee or you ready ta get fancy again?”

Ennis blushed bright red at his use of the words and what they had come to stand for. “Might... need some rilin up fer that.”

Ellery stood up and came over, sliding a leg up over Ennis’s rubbing a hand up his bare back. “I got a whole lot a rilin in me, but we best get to it. It’s almost two an I got to get in the office by nine.”

“Shit, I didn’t know.”

“Yeah, it’s Tuesday mornin. I work Tuesdays. But at this rate, I think I’ll be takin off work early. You gonna stick around a couple a days?”

“Maybe more, thinkin bout that barbecue. No hurry if I just won a reward for the ring, that’s over two months pay fer me normally speakin.”

“I’ll bring in the ring an put in the claim, maybe get the money in a couple days.” Ellery bent down and brushed his lips against Ennis’s cheek. “You can stay as long as you like boy.... now come on, I got another jar a vaseline in there an I haven’t got off yet.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 12, 2006, 07:58:28 am
chapter 43 Reward

'Time to get a move on' Ennis thinks. And so he does. He does what Jack told him in his dream and calls Jack's mother, he buys new clothes, tells junior he loves her, cooks dinner. Looks like Ennis has turned a new leaf.

And this is my favorite line in this chapter:

“I died an went ta heaven. Whose this cowboy lyin here in my living room I wonder?” he said in a sultry voice.

 :)

(and thank god no one is going to make anymore remarks about the condition of ennis's old boots!)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 12, 2006, 08:16:02 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 12, 2006, 07:58:28 am
chapter 43 Reward

'Time to get a move on' Ennis thinks. And so he does. He does what Jack told him in his dream and calls Jack's mother, he buys new clothes, tells junior he loves her, cooks dinner. Looks like Ennis has turned a new leaf.

And this is my favorite line in this chapter:

“I died an went ta heaven. Whose this cowboy lyin here in my living room I wonder?” he said in a sultry voice.

 :)

(and thank god no one is going to make anymore remarks about the condition of ennis's old boot!)


Good Morning all!  I was just about to hit the reply button when I got the notification of a new post - I was just about to quote the exact same line - may favorite, too! 

And then Ennis replies:

“Nobody special.”

Ennis's modesty is so endearing - and so dang sexy!  I could picture this scene in my mind's eye so perfectly!  Nothing like a cowboy in a tight pair of jeans! 

Great quotes this morning!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 12, 2006, 09:46:02 am
I love Ellery's expressions, "Christ on a crutch." LOL, where do these come from?

From Chapter 44:

Ennis waited for a few minutes, watching him eat, then got up and peered out the front window, the sun now casting long shadows from the hedges.

“If he’s gonna come he’s gonna come Ennis. We’ll deal with it when it happens.”

“You really don’t mind if I punch him again?”

Ellery came out to the living room and sidled up, running an appreciative hand over the seat of Ennis’s new Wranglers, squeezing slightly. “He’s a jealous bitch of a man, Ennis, an I ain’t gonna have him runnin ya off. Sure. Punch him as much as ya like. Just don’t get any important parts damaged in the process.” He slid another hand up Ennis’s chest and then down, giving his crotch a little squeeze. “If the coast is clear, I think I’m done with dinner.”

Ennis tore his eyes away from the window, taking a deep breath, and grabbed Ellery with both hands. “Yer rilin me up again boy.”

“Good deal, that was the plan.” And he tilted his head down slightly for the hard kiss he knew was coming next.



L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 12, 2006, 11:28:57 am
I had forgotten just how much Bill was around in the first book. I remembered all the phone calls, of course (morning, noon, and night) but he was also showing up on Ellery's doorstep on a regular basis, like this exchange from Chapter 45:

“Ellery... I think we got ta talk about this. You know how I feel about you.”

“Yeah, you feel like you own me body an soul an bank account an I can’t have a fuckin life a my own an yer way a showin it was to destroy every lick a trust I ever had in you as a man by gettin some boy whore ta screw in my very own home. That I will forgive you for maybe in about 50 years or so.”

A small pause. “That was stupid a me, Ellery an I’m damn sorry.”

“It is way too late fer sorry, Bill. Any feelin I had for you died that day, an that was a long fuckin time ago. And it ain’t gonna happen. Not today, not next week, not in six months.”

“You don’t understand El, just listen. I can’t get over you. I can’t just let this drop, seein you get all moon eyed over some two bit ranch stiff with long legs an big brown eyes, it ain’t right. We should be together.”

“Bill, you are truly pissin me off. What part a it ain’t gonna happen didn’t you get?”

“El, we was meant ta be together. This guy can’t mean this much ta you, come on now.”

Ennis had heard enough. He hurriedly wiped himself dry and slipped on his drawers and his new denims, making a point to put on his new white shirt as well, tucked it neatly, combed his fingers briefly through his hair and then came out to the door.

Bill hesitated when he saw Ennis and fell back a step as if expecting him to throw a punch. “We got ta try, El, we got ta work somethin out.”

“You ain’t listenin Bill. He said it was over an done an its over an done,” Ennis said, his voice cold.

Bill pointed, accusingly, at Ennis and looked beseechingly at Ellery. “What has he got I ain’t got? He’s a skinny, poor, broke down ranch stiff!”

Ennis gave Bill a warning look, eyes flashing, and felt a little better able to face that pointing finger in new, good fitting clothes.

“He’s a grownup, Bill. Yer a child. Furthermore, yer a child who won’t take no for an answer, and I ain’t a bowl a dessert. Now you get two choices, Bill. You can drive outta here right now and don’t call or come back and bother me, or I can have Lewis come down an take you into custody for harrassment and I can get a restrainin order tomorrow morning. Your choice Bill, before Ennis here gets a fist made.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 12, 2006, 08:05:16 pm
All I can say to Ennis is......"Duck!"

Beware the fist that incures the fistula!   

Damn legbone....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 12, 2006, 08:15:51 pm
Quote from: DavidinHartford on December 12, 2006, 08:05:16 pm
All I can say to Ennis is......"Duck!"

Beware the fist that incures the fistula!   

Damn legbone....

damn legbone indeed, because this is about the time the legbone is incurred!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 12, 2006, 08:49:27 pm
"Bill pointed, accusingly, at Ennis and looked beseechingly at Ellery. “What has he got I ain’t got? He’s a skinny, poor, broke down ranch stiff!”


"Why, he's got Mr. Coyote, Bill, that's what!"  ;D 

(But I guess even Ellery doesn't know that yet, does he?)   But he will soon enough!

Reading with 20/20 hindsight is a different experience - but fun!  Takes away some of the suspense - but the upshot is that I concentrate more on smaller details!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 12, 2006, 10:19:15 pm
Marie, we all concentrate on the smaller details....that is what is making this re-reading so much fun!

Stay tuned for the next installment...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 13, 2006, 05:30:40 am
As promised Leslie!  ;D

I'm not re-reading though...... :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 13, 2006, 07:07:37 am
Not yet, anyway  :)

I still don't feel well  :( and have so little time  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on December 13, 2006, 07:26:41 am
I'm almost done with A Second Chance. WHAT a good story.......
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 13, 2006, 08:40:48 am
Good Morning Ellery!   :-*   Good Morning Ennis!   :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 13, 2006, 09:24:37 am
Today's reading: Chapters 46-50

http://louisev.livejournal.com/14324.html

The opening paragraph of Chapter 46:

Without discussing anything in detail, they fell into a sort of domestic rhythm; Ennis, always restlessly awake shortly after dawn, rose, made coffee, sausages, eggs, and toast, reading a bit until Ellery was out of the shower, and came in to get his breakfast out of the pan, then he put away “The Last Trail” and sat down to breakfast, spent a little while making out on the sofa before Ellery pulled himself back together and buttoned his uniform shirt, straightened the badge on his pocket and went off to work. Ennis cleaned up from breakfast, scrubbing everything bright and washing the pans by hand, even though Ellery had a dishwasher. He wasn’t sure he trusted machines to wash dishes just yet.


I love them spending a little while "making out on the sofa." LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 13, 2006, 09:47:05 am
From Chapter 46, the punch that ruined a honeymoon:

Ennis tried to back up but was held fast. Bill stared, his eyes red and swollen, as he blubbered in Ennis’s face. “I can’t live without him, I love em, an you took em from me.” Ennis raised his arms, trying to break the grip of Bill’s arms, and then Bill released his collar and swung hard, catching Ennis on the left cheek, and sending him to the floor, seeing stars.

“Damn you Ennis, I ain’t never gonna forgive you fer takin him away from me!” Bill shouted. He threw Ennis’s hat down on top of him. “Get outta here, jes get the fuck outta here!”

Ennis climbed dizzily to his feet and made it to the door, swaying. He stumbled as though drunk down the sidewalk, regretting how far away he had parked, but finally made it to his truck, still faint, his stomach queasy. He wanted to roar away in his truck, but was too faint to do so for long minutes, and hoped that Bill had not followed him. He set his head down on the steering wheel of the truck, muttering to himself. “Stupid stupid fuck, Ennis, why’d ya have ta try ta reason with him?”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 13, 2006, 09:50:48 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 13, 2006, 09:24:37 am
Today's reading: Chapters 46-50

http://louisev.livejournal.com/14324.html

The opening paragraph of Chapter 46:

Without discussing anything in detail, they fell into a sort of domestic rhythm; Ennis, always restlessly awake shortly after dawn, rose, made coffee, sausages, eggs, and toast, reading a bit until Ellery was out of the shower, and came in to get his breakfast out of the pan, then he put away “The Last Trail” and sat down to breakfast, spent a little while making out on the sofa before Ellery pulled himself back together and buttoned his uniform shirt, straightened the badge on his pocket and went off to work. Ennis cleaned up from breakfast, scrubbing everything bright and washing the pans by hand, even though Ellery had a dishwasher. He wasn’t sure he trusted machines to wash dishes just yet.


I love them spending a little while "making out on the sofa." LOL

L


I was just going to say the same thing! - another little detail I had forgotten about - making out before work! Brings a smile to my face!  :)

I love Ennis not trusting the dishwasher - that is so funny!  I can relate to it -  I still wash most of my dishes by hand - once I've scraped and rinsed them, I figure I might as well go the rest of the way!   :laugh:

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 13, 2006, 09:56:19 am
From Chapter 47, aftermath at the hospital:

At that, the ambulance attendant, who Ennis found out later was named Jimmy Wheatley, rolled the gurney back into an emergency room, where they waited for the X-rays, and Jimmy stood by with oxygen and a emesis basin in case Ennis fell asleep or started vomiting again.

“Real sorry, Ellery,” Ennis said again, mournfully.

“We ain’t got ta talk about this now Ennis. We just got ta find out what’s wrong an get you better from it.” He patted Ennis’s arm gently, apparently unconcerned about anyone seeing the show of affection. “I’m just damn glad they called me.”

“I told em to. Said you was a friend a mine.”

“That you are, Ennis.” He patted his arm again and then leaned down, placing a soft kiss on his cheek, his eyes gleaming. “You just rest now. Yer gonna be all right.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 13, 2006, 10:03:23 am
Chapter 48, an affectionate name from Ellery....

They had put Ennis in a private room, at Ellery’s instructions, and Ellery had filled out paperwork for the hospital and ambulance charges. Ennis lay propped up, a bandage covering his purple, swollen cheek, sipping on a Coca Cola.

“Wish I had some a that Glenfiddle, Ellery,” he grumbled, setting it down. “This just ain’t doin it.”

“I’d sneak some in but that’d mean I would have ta leave, an I ain’t about ta do that, lover.”

Ennis blushed, looking down. “It was really my fault. I shoulda known Bill wasn’t gonna listen ta me if he wasn’t gonna listen ta you. And he wanted to get a lick in. All dirty fighters got ta get a lick in.”

“You went down to the bar, Ennis?”

He nodded. “Yeah. Don’t tell me, I know it was dumb.”

“What’d you say ta him, just curious.”

“I told him me an you didn’t have nothin ta do with him... that it just happened. An he had ta understand that it was over. First he was cryin and weepin and carryin on all boo hoo, an then he grabs onta my shirt and tells me he ain’t never gonna forgive me for takin you away from him. Then – bam.”

“Stupid ass Bill. I ain’t his for you to take. I’m mine. When is he gonna get that through his idiot skull?“

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 13, 2006, 10:05:11 am
From the end of Chapter 48:

She went out, pulling the curtain to give them privacy, and shut the door most of the way closed. Ellery leaned back over and slid his arm around Ennis’s shoulder once more, nuzzling his uninjured cheek. “I care about you, boy.... made my heart leap when Carol told me the ambulance called about you. You got ta be more careful.” He moved his head, pressing his lips against Ennis’s in a soft, gentle kiss, and then whispered against his mouth. “Promise me you’re goin to be more careful.”

“I promise,” Ennis said, tears standing in his eyes.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 13, 2006, 10:14:29 am
Chapter 49, a few little white lies:

“I... I dunno. Listen Ellery maybe I should tell you this now....”

“Wassat?”

“When I came here last week I tol everyone I am from Sage.”

“Yeah, little town in the southeast somewheres.”

“Right. Well I am. Er, was. It isn’t where I’m livin now. I lied about that kinda.”

Ellery looked at him soberly.

“I live up in Riverton with my daughter now. Lived in that area for well, almost twenty years. Sorry about that. Didn’t want anyone ta know.”

“S’alright, Ennis. Bill tol me that last Saturday. He had Wayne run a state police check on ya last Friday night an got an address on ya. Little white lies are part a the warp an woof a bein queer in this day an age, darlin.”

Ennis blushed. “Oh. Ya knew then.”

“Yeah, but it makes me feel good you told me. Don’t worry none about it. I tell people I was second in my class at college all the time.”

“You wasn’t?”

“Nope, I was first in my class, but that tends ta piss people off so ... little white lies.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 13, 2006, 10:19:35 am
Chapter 50, we learn about (don't really meet) Lauren for the first time:

“Hello?” he said, a bit too loudly. “Oh. Wayne. What’s up Wayne? You never call me here.” He listened, giving Ennis a puzzled look, mouthing the words “the bar” as he nodded at the phone. “Did you check the apartment? Okay, okay, just... do this Wayne. Open like usual, you got a backup tender or someone who comes in later? That Lauren fella, right. Well book him to closin, tell him he can close at two. If Bill shows up... shit, well... then problem solved, right? Yeah, call me back if ya need anything.” He listened a bit longer. “You scheduled to open tomorrow? Well tell you what, I know it’s Friday night, see if Lauren’ll work with you, an tell him there’s an extra fifty bucks in it for him if he stays ta closin. Yeah yeah... you two, both a you. An if Bill has a problem with that just tell him I authorized it and tough shit, he wasn’t there ta decide. Okay, you take it easy Wayne. Have a good night now.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: synne on December 13, 2006, 12:27:29 pm
Quote from: opinionista on December 11, 2006, 07:47:19 am
From chapter 38. This is beautiful

Ennis put the knife down, carefully, and sank into the kitchen chair, hands over his face, suddenly trembling as though with some long-delayed shock. “Jack – Jesus Jack.... “ He felt in his shirt pocket for his talisman, the journal, and wiping his hands carefully on his denims he flipped through the pages, past the entry he had read, so long ago, in Ellery’s bed.

“July 22: Ennis stayed up on the allotmint through breakfast an I about died without him. Went into the tent and just laid there smellin the blankets. This boy is not sane if he can’t be without it every six seven hours, and summer is wearing on too fast. Crazy about that boy. Wonder if he’s crazy about me.

Ennis put his head down in his hands, tears leaking through them, dry sobs making his shoulders heave, but only small sounds emerged. He was crazy about Jack... mad crazy, and didn’t know it, didn’t know it...he had stayed up on the mountain one morning, just so that he could think without Jack there, because whenever he was in camp, his eyes would follow that restless step, watching his body move, wanting him to come over and say something, to get within grabbing distance so he could knock off his hat, rile him, pull him down and over and get him under him... his breath came hard, like fire in his chest, a wave of grief fully as powerful as the wave of pleasure that had washed over him on the sofa, like the other shoe dropping from a world of shadowy pain.



ahh, I just went through this, I didn't realize how difficult  would be to read it again ( heavy feelings) :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 13, 2006, 01:16:22 pm
I haven't had time to start the re-read yet!

It's great to come here and read all these quotes!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 13, 2006, 03:45:20 pm
Quote from: Lucise on December 13, 2006, 01:16:22 pm
I haven't had time to start the re-read yet!  It's great to come here and read all these quotes!  8)

I read it all in such a hurry originally, it's like reading it for the first time. Ennis' enduring love for Jack as well as his evolving feelings for Ellery both come through loud and clear.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 13, 2006, 06:12:04 pm
Quote from: Marge_Innavera on December 13, 2006, 03:45:20 pm
Ennis' enduring love for Jack come through loud and clear.

That's what I have always felt too, through out the entire saga
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 13, 2006, 06:14:40 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 07, 2006, 08:09:15 am
Another interesting use of the word "partner," this time from Chapter 17:

“You comin, Ennis?” Ellery looked at Ennis expectantly.

“You want me ta?”

“Yer my partner on this case, as well as bein an important witness and all that. Besides Pete likes ya. Maybe you can help me get some answers outta the boy.”

Ennis slipped off the stool, keenly aware that Bill was watching both of them, taking in every word. “Partner, huh,” Bill said, but Ellery had already turned and headed through the empty back room toward the stairs, Ennis, as usual, trailing him as he went up.


L

I'm behind in the reread and all... but this is good foreshadowing of Bill's jealousy/anger toward Ennis.  Ironic, given that Bill is the one that brought the two of them together.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 13, 2006, 06:19:33 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 07, 2006, 04:45:39 pm
And thirdly, I had the need to branch out, and to do other things.  Creatively, as a novelist, writing within the "universe" of BBM, even though I had expanded it greatly into a new territory with dozens of new original characters, still came with a constraint.  That constraint, in the follow-on tales, is not so onerous, and also alleviates some of the demand on time.   But I yearn to do new things, in a venue and with fewer natural knowledge limits - to write once more about history and music, the modern world, and stop stretching my mind back to how things were in that long ago time of the mid 1980's, correcting for the way the world has changed.

It has been a wonderful experience - but not one I can continue indefinitely, no matter how much others desire it.  It is simply not possible to do.

Ah Louise, we want Happy!Louise just as much as we want Happy!Ennis.
 :-*
You've given us so much already.
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 13, 2006, 06:28:38 pm
Quote from: notBastet on December 13, 2006, 06:19:33 pm
Ah Louise, we want Happy!Louise just as much as we want Happy!Ennis.
 :-*
You've given us so much already.
 :)

Totally agree  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 13, 2006, 06:57:39 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on December 13, 2006, 07:07:37 am
Not yet, anyway  :)

I still don't feel well  :( and have so little time  :(

Junie... :(

feel better soon!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 13, 2006, 09:48:34 pm
One thing that this "reread" will do is sharpen the memory of the first day Ennis and Ellery met, from Ennis's POV, in preparation for my upcoming story about Ellery and Ennis's first meeting, from Ellery's point of view:  "What I did On My Day Off"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 14, 2006, 02:40:50 am
Quote from: notBastet on December 13, 2006, 06:19:33 pm
Ah Louise, we want Happy!Louise just as much as we want Happy!Ennis.
 :-*
You've given us so much already.
 :)

i completely agree. And i can't wait to start reading you other work louise.
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 14, 2006, 02:42:56 am
Quote from: Bigheart on December 13, 2006, 07:07:37 am
Not yet, anyway  :)

I still don't feel well  :( and have so little time  :(

owww, hope you feel better real soon! (by saturday of course!)
take care.

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on December 14, 2006, 04:52:26 am
Quote from: louisev on December 13, 2006, 09:48:34 pm
One thing that this "reread" will do is sharpen the memory of the first day Ennis and Ellery met, from Ennis's POV, in preparation for my upcoming story about Ellery and Ennis's first meeting, from Ellery's point of view:  "What I did On My Day Off"

Can't wait for that one!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 14, 2006, 09:22:19 am
Good morning re-readers!

Chapters 51-55 today. Two exciting events: doughboys make their first appearance and Ellery calls Ennis "sweetheart."

http://louisev.livejournal.com/15463.html

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 14, 2006, 09:29:16 am
From Chapter 51:

He hung up, rubbed his hollow belly. “Ya know I could stand some breakfast.” Ennis moved as though to get up. “No, yer finishin yer Zane Grey an I’m makin the eggs.” He smiled a mischievous smile once more. "Got some a them ready-made biscuits from the Pillsbury doughboy just for ya.”

“Oh, biscuits...” Ennis’s eyes lit up. “Thank you.”

Ellery leaned over, placing the phone back on the nightstand, and slid a long, thin arm around Ennis’s shoulder, kissing his neck. “You and yer please and thank yous. Makes me hard whenever you do that. You are very welcome.”

Ennis gripped his arm and pulled him down, bending over him to capture Ellery half beneath him, pressing his mouth hungrily to his, growling, then let him go. “Jes pretend yer a biscuit.”

“Yer stomach’ll be growlin a lot harder after though.”

Ennis let him go... he had a point. “Well hurry up then.”

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/doohbonat.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 14, 2006, 09:30:33 am
And the first "sweetheart":

“You got a bird feeder out there, but no food in it, Ellery.”

“Yeah well there’s a reason for that, sweetheart. There’s a big grey tom lives next door, an outdoor cat, hunts around here. I put that feeder up an all the starlins and bluejays an whatall came down ta get a taste an old Greybeard swoops down on em from my roof an has himself a nice lunch a tweety-bird.”

“Aw. Damn cat. Neighbor oughta keep it in.”

“Well it ain’t against the law, not really. Cats are just doin what they do. An I was just settin em up for slaughter. Decided they got a better chance a survival if I didn’t feed em at all. Greybeard’s lunch counter I call it.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 14, 2006, 09:57:38 am
From Chapter 52:

Ennis stood up and came over, sliding an arm around Ellery’s shoulders. “I’m sorry, Ellery. I didn’t know this was gonna turn into such a shitstorm on you.”

Ellery looked over at him, patting his hand. “Neither did I, an I am a really good judge a people. Guess I got a mote in my eye, as they say, an didn’t see what kinda man Bill really was.”

Ennis looked over at the door. “Considerin everything, maybe ya should change the locks.”

“Can’t without the lawyer sayin so an issuin proper notice. He could come in an wreck the place while I ain’t here, an I couldn’t legally stop him without givin him a five day notice ta vacate an et cetera. Very complicated. A trusted long term partner becomin an enemy overnight like this... it’s like a domestic situation. Ya got a husband and wife and they have all their stuff in common an suddenly there’s battle lines drawn. His legal home is upstairs, with his stuff in it, an whether or not he takes it he’s entitled to it, so he’s got ta get notice.”

“Yeah, I guess so. Maybe I should stay here in case he does come.”

“Ennis... the bar’s insured. Even against damage by Bill. No matter what he might do, I can always get it fixed up. I don’t want ta be sitting in a room at Ivinson again wonderin if the docs can fix you up. You see my point?”

Ennis lowered his eyes, leaning hard against him. “Yeah, I know, but...”

“Ain’t no buts here, sweetheart. Let’s get a move on, an get yer check.”

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 14, 2006, 10:10:01 am
and chapter 53

“Well that’s my fault, Carol, I shouldnt’a dragged him around. Listen... looks like I’m gonna need an experienced bartender, soonest. If you know someone who... doesn’t mind the clientele, put the word out.”

Carol smiled indulgently, and from under the brim of his hat, Ennis realized with a mild shock that Carol knew all about Ellery owning the bar, and what kind of bar it was. Does that mean she knows about me? And that this “cousins” business was just a load of bullshit to cover up their queer relationship? Maybe she had known all along. Maybe... he thought, with another mild shock, it doesn’t matter to her. He found that very hard to swallow, but he glanced up at her as she talked with Ellery, and seemed perfectly at ease with him.


Ennis has been getting more and more comfortable with Ellery and staying with him and the implications of that. I'm glad that his realizing that Carol 'knew' only gave him a mild shock. No more 'bolting out' urges now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 14, 2006, 10:16:17 am
From Chapter 54, Wild Bronc makes its first appearance...

Ellery hung on, backing off Ennis’s cock gradually and swallowing hard, his face flushed, and looked up, still holding Ennis’s twitching cock as it softened, licking his mouth.  “I got a new name for you, boy.  Wild bronc.  Ya almost threw me with that last buck.”

Ennis closed his eyes, his face burning.  “Sorry... couldn’t help it.”

Ellery reached over with a long hand and stroked his cheek.  “That’s what I like about you... yer a wild one.  Wouldn’t have it any other way.”  He slid up and put an arm around Ennis’s shoulders, nuzzling his neck, whispering to him now, to calm him,  “yer my wild bronc, Ennis.”

And though he didn’t reply, his face still burning with embarrassment, underlying it was a fierce pleasure at Ellery’s dirty talk, at naming him... wild bronc, it intoxicated him with a secret joy, as if the name had unleashed some wild element of himself that he had only known out in the far wilderness, away from everyone else, and only in the arms of one man.  A part of himself that he had missed for far too long, and kept chained for most of his long, lonely life... and finally had been let free.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 14, 2006, 10:22:44 am
From Chapter 55, a growing intimacy...

“C’mere,” Ennis said softly, pulling him back, his mouth working his way across Ellery’s cheek to his own mouth, giving him a soft, tender kiss, not lingering.  “Find out all you want bout me, the only secret I got is what I do in bed with you, darlin.”

Ellery blinked, startled.  “What’d you call me?”

Ennis blushed, forcing his eyes to stay focused on the man in his arms.  “Darlin.  Hope ya don’t mind.”

Ellery pulled him tighter.  “As long as you don’t mind me callin ya all the silly names I do…”

Ennis dropped his voice.  “Kinda like ‘sweetheart’ “ he mumbled.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: David on December 14, 2006, 10:25:26 am
"Mmm   mm.   Desert was great, but whats fer breakfast?"

(http://static.flickr.com/55/174903040_24f13e82c6.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 14, 2006, 10:30:36 am
also from Chapter 55:

Ennis padded quietly back into the bedroom, still amazed at what he had just learned about how Ellery lived semi-openly with his sexuality, the freedom he enjoyed, not to have to worry about being seen in public with another man, the facile cover tale that no one believed sufficient to keep everyone minding their own business. He stretched out on the bed, and Ellery plopped down next to him.

“You got wheels turnin Ennis, what’s on yer mind?”

“Just feelin what it’s like… for normal people ta know.”

“We are normal people Ennis. We’re just queer in a sexual way. And there ain’t nothing bad about that.”

“I never thought that way, Ellery. It is gonna take some getting used to.”

Ellery nodded, slipping into bed next to him and putting his arms around him once more. “I know, sweetheart. I know it is.”



L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 14, 2006, 01:23:57 pm
“Aw. Damn cat. Neighbor oughta keep it in.”


That one little sentence is just too sweet for words.  Ennis and his tender heart - I'm so happy Ellery has custody of it.

Haven't had time to read all the chapters today - but am enjoying the quotes!

Thanks, Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 14, 2006, 01:49:24 pm
Quote from: mariez on December 14, 2006, 01:23:57 pm
“Aw. Damn cat. Neighbor oughta keep it in.”


That one little sentence is just too sweet for words.  Ennis and his tender heart - I'm so happy Ellery has custody of it.

Haven't had time to read all the chapters today - but am enjoying the quotes!

Thanks, Marie

You're right Marie, there are some very sweet sentences in these chapters. Like 'me casa es su casa'  so nice.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 14, 2006, 01:53:24 pm
and there are some very funny lines in these chapters too:

“More glamorous livin, Ennis, bein a business owner, sit here an make little stacks a money ta ship off to the bank. Ain’t it a lark?”

Ennis shrugged. “Don’t smell as bad as muckin out heifers.”


or

Fuckin Bill done this ta me. An if I weren’t such an idiot I woulda seen just how insane he was when he did this shit with my partner four years ago. But I wasn’t listenin to my lawyer then an part a me was still thinkin with my gonads.”

“Yer what?”


 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

thank you for asking Ennis. I didn't know what gonads were either!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 14, 2006, 05:05:36 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 14, 2006, 01:53:24 pm


“Yer what?”


 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

thank you for asking Ennis. I didn't know what gonads were either!

We've all learned something or other from Ennis along the way, eh?
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 14, 2006, 07:42:01 pm
I think we need a pic of the boys to go along with the reread:



(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/255f1386.jpg)

This pic probably wasn't introduced until a bit later, when we learn about Ennis seeing green.
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 15, 2006, 08:07:54 am
Good morning re-readers!

Chapters 56-60 today.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/16726.html

from chapter 56, a bit of Ellery's theories on homosexuality and Hollywood. If everyone remembers, this comes up again later.

After dinner – hotdogs and beans (over Ennis’s soft objection) – Ellery did propose a movie, and they watched Ennis’s first Alfred Hitchcock film, “Psycho.” Ellery commented that it seemed apt, since he had much to learn about how crazy men behaved, that he should study more films about psychos, but Ennis suspected the real reason was that Ellery wanted Ennis’s opinion on Tony Perkins. “He’s queer, ya know,” Ellery commented obliquely.

“How’d you know that? Jes intuition?”

“Nope... one a the beat officers was a body guard for em in Los Angeles when he was makin a film and he’d order up boys for rent when he was at the hotel, an some of em were real young. Now, if the only kinda queer ya ever see is that kind, rentin teenage boys for fun, course ya gonna get a bad opinion. But hetrosexual men do the same damn shit, with even younger girls, so queer men aren’t any more evil as a rule, that’s how I look at it.” Ennis found this piece of intelligence fascinating, and he watched Perkins a great deal more closely in the film, concluding that he liked Jack Nicholson a lot better.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/AP-1.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 15, 2006, 08:16:02 am
Some humor from Chapter 56:

“Jesus Christamighty,” he moaned, shuddering with the aftershock of his orgasm.

Ellery pulled back, letting his cock go as it softened and smiled sweetly. “Most people jes call me Deputy.”

Ennis barked a hoarse laugh. “Fuck that was good.”

Ellery climbed up by him, his own erection brushing Ennis’s thigh as he settled down next to him. “I did somehow accomplish a miracle, so maybe I am Jesus Christ after all.”

“Oh?” Those lust-heavy eyes looked over at Ellery with curiosity now.

“Yeah. Maybe its just the calm before the storm, though. Miracle is, nobody called an nobody rang the bell.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 15, 2006, 09:13:22 am
Lots of good stuff in Chapter 57, like this:

“Jesus Ellery. I hope that doesn’t keep happenin. Make me jump outta my skin if you came home like that moren once.”

Ellery looked at Ennis with amazement. “Boy you got any idea what you just said?”

“Whuh, I said it’d make me jump outta my skin.”

“Yeah not that part. The comin home part.”

“Oh.” Ennis blushed. “I’m sorry. That – I didn’t mean that.”

“Then how come ya thunk it? How come ya said it?”

Ennis stared at Ellery like a mouse cornered by a housecat. “I... I was just talkin!”

Ellery reached out a hand, gently, touching the back of his hand with his palm. “It’s ok. I’m flattered. Really... flattered. That you feel so good about me after one week you are talkin about home. It don’t mean you’re makin no promise, I know that... but it means you ain’t in a hurry ta leave me behind.”

Ennis looked at Ellery as if about to burst into tears. “No, I ain’t gonna leave ya... behind. How can I? I can’t hardly think a the idea a gettin in my truck an goin back to Junior’s house an that little guest room just waitin for the job that ain’t comin, an thinkin a you here with all this shit an Bill an...” he took a breath at last. “How can I do that? I can’t even think about Monday right now. It’s too much ta do.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 15, 2006, 09:14:15 am
More from Chapter 57:

Ennis pulled his emotions together, but they hung over him like the lingering hangover-like feeling of his headache, and he forced himself to take his dose of Percodan, not wanting to, hating the drowsiness and lassitude it forced on him, wasting the hours he had with Ellery on naps and drowsy half-remembered conversations, when he would rather be hiking, taking a drive, and then after a delicious dinner and a movie, taking his man on all fours, driving his cock into that hot tightness and hearing his begging moans for more. He felt himself stiffen up as he filled the coffeemaker, adjusting himself and trying to think of the important things.

Ellery getting to the bank and getting his statements, finding out about what Bill had been doing with the bar’s finances, resting, getting better. How many times a day do ya need him ta suck ya off in order to keep ya sane, boy? he chided himself, and as he buttered slices of toast, he had a moment of panic, wondering if Ellery was growing tired of him, just as he was falling desperately, hopelessly in love. He gulped hard, wiped his stinging eyes, and took a few deep breaths before he brought the mug of coffee and the plate of toast in. He forced a grin onto his face.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 15, 2006, 09:15:24 am
And another good part, also from Chapter 57:

“So what’s this two hundred proof shit you talkin?” he asked as he resumed his place next to Ellery on his side of the bed.

“I am gonna tell you, Mr. Del Mar... the story a my life. Well, until the biscuits are done. I been with oh, let me count, seven guys in my life, only two of em serious at all. The rest was just foolin around or a grope in the back room or one night stand or whatever. You met the one. An the other ... well that was a long time ago. That means that you is the eighth guy an really only the third really serious man I come ta know in all a my life. In a sexual way.”

Ennis sat quietly, sipping, glad that he did not have to talk now.

“An of all a them and the few one night stand or whatever, I ain’t never felt how I do about you. When you do those little please an thank yous, an when you tell my boss “Oh no sir!” it is just so fuckin cute I could fall right over. An you don’t even know how fuckin cute it is, which makes it even more cute than if you knew and was plannin it all along.”

Ennis blushed crimson... he was never called ‘cute’ in his whole life, and it sounded almost like dirty talk, the effect nearly the same, and he wanted to squirm out of his skin, but kept his eyes fixed on Ellery’s eyes.

“An so now that I got a 200 proof man an I am totally three sheets ta the wind I don’t know what I’m gonna do because... Ennis... I will tell you somethin.” He pointed at Ennis’s face, his grey eyes steely and suddenly sober. “If you walk away an don’t come back I don’t know what I’m gonna do.”

“Tol ya. Ain’t gonna walk away.” Ennis looked down at his hands, and as he did, the timer on the biscuits chimed.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 15, 2006, 09:22:56 am
You know...

There is a theme here, when you read all of those excerpts squished together:  biscuits go with sex.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 15, 2006, 09:51:49 am
Talking about the barbecue and life in general, from chapter 59:

“That’s a good thing,” Ennis nodded.  “Gonna be lotsa people from your work there?”

“Nah not really, Warren Perry – he’s the retirin Chief Deputy, which is why the job comes open now, Wes, his family, Carol, an a couple a Wes’s friends.  Dozen folks when you count the wives.”

“An all a them think I’m yer cousin…”

“Well that’s what they’re told, I don’t see makin em believe anything else.”

“I don’t know how you kin do that, Ellery.”

“Do what?  Lie ta police people?  It’s not really a lie, it’s more like… an agreement.  We’re just… choosin what ta say an where ta say it.  Like a euphemism.”

“A you what?”

“Euphemism.  Like sayin ‘powder room’ instead a lady’s toilet.  Makes it sound nicer in polite company.”

“Yeah, I guess.  What do ya think about those guys in San Francisco with the demonstrations an such, then?”

“Well that’s San Francisco, Ennis.  This is another whole century behind.  Rural America is a very backward place… we got different rules here, an it’s gonna take a long time before men can just walk around queer in public an hold hands an kiss without getting some folks riled up – and not in a good way.”

“Yeah, that’s fer sure.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 15, 2006, 09:57:10 am
Chapter 60 is short, but important, and I am going to post the entire thing.

They lay long together in bed after the ferocity of their passion died down, never completely breaking away from touching one another somewhere, a hand on a shoulder, a knee sliding against a thigh, cheek against shoulder, drifting into a half doze and then stirring to another flurry of soft kisses that grew passionate, hardening them both, leading to another eruption of stroking and ejaculation, until they had worn themselves out, subsiding once more into lighter, more tender kissing and murmured endearments, then drifting once more.

Ennis drifted back to sleep, less heavy this time since he started to cut back on the pain medicine, feeling himself beginning to definitely recover, and slipped into one of those dreams that seemed half of his past, half of his present in a strange, intriguing and erotic mixture. A dream of fresh, cold mountain air, bright sun, aching blue sky, his arms holding the soft naked body of his lost Jack, pressing him down beneath him, listening to the moans he elicited with his fierce thrusts… never getting enough, pleasure coursing through him like white fire, culminating in a hoarse groan of release. And as they collapsed together, they tumbled, holding fast in a full body clinch, and he looked down into those endless blue eyes, and the face he saw was changed into the lean, long jawline, patrician nose and slate grey eyes, gleaming with lust and pleasure, saying “you wild bronc…” the words gripping him like a firm stroking hand, reigniting that core of white hot pleasure… his Ellery, the mischievous lover who had changed his life in a few short days. Another wave of excitement and pleasure washed over his body, threatening to push a great shout of joy from his lungs, and he heard it echo against the walls of the valley far below…

This is the man I loved…

Set in stone, now, to endure a hundred years of weathering without fading, carved with the power of his devotion. Something about this new element, this new man, had brought out the painful, shamed secret he held onto like a concealed wound since Jack’s death… this is the man I loved. He reached out, in his dream, feeling the solidity of flesh beneath his hands, burrowing into it, realizing with a clarity that seems to come only in the quiet solitude of dream… that he could no longer deny that he loved a man, and had for the first time, admitted it to himself. Because it had happened, first, in 1963, and now, twenty-one years later, it was happening again… felt the same, the urgent desire, the surge of pleasure, of rightness, and of simultaneous guilt and anxiety, for one never went without the other, for Ennis.

He woke fully then, an urgent thought on his mind, and he rummaged through the pile of clothes by the side of the bed, his fingers closing on Jack’s little journal. He picked it up and went into the bathroom, snapping on the light, setting it down while he relieved himself, washed his hands carefully and then picked it up once more, flipping the pages back to one particular entry….

"June 29: We did it. God I'm so shit scared I don't know what to say. Maybe he won't never talk to me again or maybe run me off with the rifle."

Ennis set the book back down, splashed water on his face from the tap, and looked at himself in the mirror. “Yer queer, boy. Ya fuck men an it feels real good. An ya loved a man fer yer whole fuckin life. An yer lovin one now.” He stood silent before the mirror after making these pronouncements, his eyes gleaming with emotion, his drawn-down mouth looking doubtful. “An that ain’t gonna change,” he added softly, picked up the journal, and went back to bed, climbing in and sliding his arms around his lover, slipping slowly back into the comfort of sleep, his anxiety now assuaged.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 15, 2006, 12:04:25 pm
Thank you for the quotes, Leslie!  Chapter 60 certainly was pivotal, and sentences this evocative and beautifully wirtten:

"Set in stone, now, to endure a hundred years of weathering without fading, carved with the power of his devotion. Something about this new element, this new man, had brought out the painful, shamed secret he held onto like a concealed wound since Jack’s death… this is the man I loved. "

. . .  are a joy to read!   :)

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on December 16, 2006, 05:39:44 am
Being almost done with my FIRST reading of A Second Chance, I have to say this: unlike many fanfics, when you do the sex Louise, it isn't overwhelming. It's not the point of the story. The STORY is the point and the sex fits into it. And that is pretty good by any standards even if I still crack up thinking of EDM and his dildo rofl, that's a hoot if there ever was one. Thanks Louise!!!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 16, 2006, 10:38:50 am
Good morning re-readers, and hello to Louise and Fabienne in Belgium!

Today's reading, chapters 61-65.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/18173.html

Just a little bit of fun:

“It’s a profitable bar, sweetheart.” He got up, the brace making him move a bit stiffly, and made a reaching motion for his clothes. Ennis picked them up for him.

“Let me help ya... darlin,” he said, blushing slightly.

“Be glad ta.” He held out his arms for Ennis to put his shirt on, and then each of his feet for his socks and boots. “I could get real used ta this.”

Ennis smiled as he slid his boots on, then pushed the legs of of his denims up over his feet and reached out his arms to help him stand. “Not quite as excitin as pullin it all off ya though,” he mumbled.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 16, 2006, 10:40:43 am
One of the most famous lines in the story, here in Chapter 61:

“I wouldn’t go if I thought he was dangerous, sweetheart. An I sure wouldn’t let you come with. In any case a uniform’ll be there by the time we arrive to keep things cool.

“You really think Bill is gonna be cool?” Ennis gave him a doubtful look.

“Then again maybe I’m just bein a jackass an not thinkin straight. Whatever you do... in yer condition, do not let him throw another punch, because you could be back in the hospital again in no time... an that bein in the hospital plays havoc with our sex life.”

“Yes Deputy.”

Ellery sniffed, nibbled at Ennis’s lip before he stepped back. “Chief Deputy darlin ta you.”


L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 16, 2006, 10:51:58 am
From Chapter 62:

He sank back against the headboard and held out his arms.  “Please hold me, sweetheart.  I am the biggest jackass in the world.  How could I ever of gone for a man like Bill?”

Ennis took his arms and moved closer, resting his head against Ellery’s shoulder.  “Only human, Deputy darlin.  Yer only human.”

“Yeah, too fuckin bad, huh?”  He sighed, and for the first time, Ennis felt Ellery tremble all over with emotional tension.  He held Ellery until that trembling subsided, and when he lifted his head to look in his eyes, he saw tears, slowly making their way down his face.  This was the first time he had seen Ellery cry.  He kissed his cheeks gently, moving slowly toward his mouth, then moved his lips softly over Ellery’s mouth, just barely touching.

“It’ll be all right.  I’m here,”  he whispered to him.  And they lay in one another’s arms until both finally drifted back to sleep.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 16, 2006, 11:18:43 am
At the barbecue at Wes's house, Chapter 65:

This was just a normal barbecue, friendly, open people, easy banter, and delicious smelling food.  He found it impossible to believe that Carol and Wes, maybe Warren and the others… all knew.  Their smiles seemed genuine, uninhibited, truly friendly.  It couldn’t be because Carol was so grateful for Ellery rescuing her son… Wes couldn’t be this nice to him because he was a good man who did a good job… or could it?  Could it be that Ennis had been wrong all this time, and there really were good people who didn’t give a rat’s ass if he was queer or not?  Ellery sat down next to Ennis, giving him a smile.  “That beer okay? They gave us this Mexican stuff, maybe ya want somethin different?”

“No, this is fine Ellery, really,” he replied.  “Don’t fuss over me,” he added quietly.

“Okay boy, yer on yer own.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on December 16, 2006, 11:27:51 am
I read the 5 chapters earlier and the section Leslie quoted from chapter 62 really stands out.  It is the first time we were exposed to the fact that Ellery's emotionally vulnerable, and needed Ennis to hold him until he calmed down a bit.  When Ennis was an emotional wreck, it's always Ellery who's there to comfort him, and now it's Ennis's turn to offer the same support to Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 16, 2006, 12:52:18 pm
Quote from: yb on December 16, 2006, 11:27:51 am
I read the 5 chapters earlier and the section Leslie quoted from chapter 62 really stands out.  It is the first time we were exposed to the fact that Ellery's emotionally vulnerable, and needed Ennis to hold him until he calmed down a bit.  When Ennis was an emotional wreck, it's always Ellery who's there to comfort him, and now it's Ennis's turn to offer the same support to Ellery.


Yes, that's so true.  We begin to see the very important balance in the relationship that will sustain them in the trying times ahead. 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 16, 2006, 01:09:24 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 16, 2006, 10:38:50 am
Good morning re-readers, and hello to Louise and Fabienne in Belgium!

L



hello! *waives to leslie and all others*

having a wonderful time with louise. The visit to Brussels was cut short by appaling weather! Never mind, there's lot's of typety type type going on.  :)
And i get to watch!  ;D

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 16, 2006, 03:00:47 pm
3 days to go until my Birthday - and Jake's!  Hooo-weeeeee!

(Just wish I was his age!)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 16, 2006, 03:18:00 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 16, 2006, 01:09:24 pm

hello! *waives to leslie and all others*

having a wonderful time with louise. The visit to Brussels was cut short by appaling weather! Never mind, there's lot's of typety type type going on.  :)
And i get to watch!  ;D



Oh boy, thanks for checking in!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 16, 2006, 03:23:12 pm
Louise says: 'i'm making Fabienne typ this (Duh!) because i can't type in Dutch. We had a lovely lunch in rainy Brussels and got in some quality time writing the second instalment of our upcoming story about Ellery and Ennis. I'll be home tomorrow evening unless Fabienne gets me a new keyboard  :P'


muhahahaha

Fabienne says: you gotta love our Louise  ;D



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 16, 2006, 04:18:39 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 16, 2006, 03:23:12 pm
Louise says: 'i'm making Fabienne typ this (Duh!) because i can't type in Dutch. We had a lovely lunch in rainy Brussels and got in some quality time writing the second instalment of our upcoming story about Ellery and Ennis. I'll be home tomorrow evening unless Fabienne gets me a new keyboard  :P'


muhahahaha

Fabienne says: you gotta love our Louise  ;D





Awww ~ you two! So happy you're having a good time! I should have been there!!  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 16, 2006, 06:10:31 pm
Quote from: Bigheart on December 16, 2006, 04:18:39 pm
Awww ~ you two! So happy you're having a good time! I should have been there!!  :'(

missing you! hope you're feeling better.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 16, 2006, 06:26:24 pm
Just wanted to wave hello to Louise and Fabienne!

I can't wait until we all get to read the typity type type!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 16, 2006, 06:30:30 pm
*we waive back*

hey we're in the chat! come and join us  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 17, 2006, 10:27:20 am
Good morning re-readers,

Today we tackle chapters 66-70.

Here's the link to Chapter 66

http://louisev.livejournal.com/19209.html

And a little bit of humor:

One of the other men leaned over toward Ellery. “Hey Chief, was it true you told Reynolds he oughta go rescue some calico cats insteada handin out traffic citations last week?”

“Oh yeah that was me all right,” Ellery replied.

“Ol Jimmy here,” he nudged the man next to him, “He tol’ Reynolds that calico cats are the hardest ta catch once they’s up a tree because they’s related ta spotted leopards an fiercer than yer average domestic cat.”

Ennis let out a little laugh and Ellery pushed his hat back, a gleam in his eye. “Oh, what’d Reynolds say ta that?”

“He went down the library after work, came in the next day an said Jimmy was full a shit. But just like Reynolds, wasn’t gonna say it unless he’d looked it all up first.” A ripple of laughter went through the men, and Ellery looked sidelong at Ennis.

“Guess in my new capacity I better get Reynolds assigned ta animal control supervision, on the Calico Cat patrol. That’ll keep him off issuing traffic citations to superior officers.”

“I’ll drink ta that,” the man said.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 17, 2006, 10:55:11 am
From Chapter 70:

“An this court thing’ll die down an we can … just think about us.”

Ellery stirred the gravy again, his voice pitched low.  “Is that what ya want, sweetheart… just think about us?”

Ennis stepped close, sliding a hand up Ellery’s bare arm, resting it on his chest, the rough surface of  his thumb brushing against his nipple, then clasping his shoulder.  “That’s all I can think about, darling.  Kissin you, fuckin you… almost fergot about my own family for the whole fuckin week thinking about what it’s like, fuckin you…God Ellery, yer like a drug.”  He nuzzled his face into that silky black hair, and Ellery turned off the burner.

“At this rate we’re gonna end up covered in gravy, boy,” he said with mock roughness.  “Let’s eat quick an get this Bill thing overwith. Somethin tells me you ain’t done.”

“No, I ain’t.”  Ennis kept his hands clasped on Ellery’s shoulders, turning him away from the stove, pulling him against him, his erection now visible as a hard lump against his fly, and he writhed against Ellery’s body, mouth seeking, kissing him hard before letting him go.  “Horny as hell, an we just done it.”  He stalked over to the kitchen table and sat, panting lightly.

“Sometimes stress’ll do that to ya,” Ellery replied, his own breath rapid.

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 17, 2006, 06:05:28 pm
ow wow... you selected some seriously HOT quotes.

thanks for keeping the Rereaders in line here, Leslie!

Before I posted the new Ellery story, the Rereaders were still racking up 900 hits today reading the assigned chapters, so it isn't just three people on this thread, believe me!  And now that I'm not trying to crank out 6,000 words a day, I'm a rereader too!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 18, 2006, 09:20:09 am
Today we have chapters 71-75 on our re-reading list.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/20582.html

From chapter 71:

Stew was to drive Ennis to the office and accompany him, and Ennis was only too happy not to have to drive. Ellery and Ennis got up first, and Stew asked them if they would wait outside so he could lock up. The legal secretary had gone to lunch.

Alone outside Stew’s office, Ellery slipped an arm around Ennis’ stiff shoulder. “How you doin?”

“Scared shitless, Ellery. You said you was goin ta be there.”

“This is better, Ennis. It means you an me ain’t goin ta need to get into this. They just take yer information an go from there. If Bill had wanted ta be a real help he woulda called emergency when he first set eyes on Pete an they woulda taken him to the hospital an you wouldn’t a got involved. But that’s water under the bridge now.”

“If you say so.” Ennis hung his head.

“Buck up, sweetheart. We’ll go get yer truck after, have some more chow an do our favourite kind a relaxin.”

Ennis gave him a tortured look, his hand now gripping Ellery’s hand. “It’s gonna be all right, isn’t it?”

Ellery gave him a soft kiss before letting him go. “You can trust Stew. If he interrupts an answers for ya, you just let him go. It means they asked something they aren’t supposed ta. All right?”

Ennis nodded. Then he heard a door close, and he was on his way to the courthouse with his new lawyer, feeling once again as if he was on his way to his execution.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 18, 2006, 09:24:10 am
Chapter 73:

Ennis looked back at Ellery, his eyes bright, finally dropping his gaze. “I dunno. Don’t wanna, somehow. Seemed like a good idea at the time, get outta the house, on a horse, out in the air. Now doesn’t seem like such a big opportunity.”

“Not if you don’t need the money right now,” he said softly. “Of if you found somethin else ta do.”

“Gettin the truck fixed up, I could come back here, spend some time instead, before I get caught by the next steady ranch job. Bound ta be somethin now that June’s comin. Things a been slow but they won’t always be slow.”

Ellery smiled, reaching his arm over and setting it lightly on the back of Ennis’s neck. “If it’s just a short stint of temporary work you can always come back here afterward, have a little reunion. The best part of goin away is the comin back part. You ain’t afraid I’ll forget ya if yer gone two weeks?”

“Well...”

“I ain’t never gonna forget my wild bronc, Ennis.” He leaned over, whispering along his jaw. ‘My Mr. Please an Thank You.’ I’ll be sittin right here waitin, holdin my breath.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 18, 2006, 09:36:54 am
Chapter 74, one of my most favorite exchanges in the whole entire story:

Ennis picked up a slice of pizza and nibbled it into his mouth, steam rising from it as he tried to bite off a piece without burning himself. Ellery waited a bit longer for his to cool.

“Like bein teenagers,” Ellery said, watching him. “Get it on like mad an an hour later feel like doin it all again.”

Ennis nodded. “Yeah. Wonder why that is.”

“Well I can think a why, but ya might not like my theory.”

Ennis set down his pizza. “Shoot.”

Ellery plucked a pepperoni off the top of his piece and chewed on it thoughtfully. “We’re fallin in love.”

Ennis dropped his gaze, staring fixedly at his piece of pizza as though trying to figure out who took a bite out of it.

“Told ya ya might not like my theory.”

“Ellery...” Ennis said, his voice low.

“Whassat?” Ellery waited, watching the bowed head.

“Ellery I don’t know what ta say....” Ennis sighed.

“Don’t tell me this hadn’t occurred to ya Ennis. You was with a man fer twenty years. You know how this goes. Bettern I do.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 18, 2006, 09:39:33 am
and some more from Chapter 74:

“Come on sweetheart, lie down... pillow under yer ass...” he positioned the pillow and Ennis stretched out, moving his knees apart, sighing with desire now, an edge of anxiety making his breath hitch, and Ellery climbed onto the bed between his knees, nuzzling the inside of his knee and licking the crease behind it, then pushing his knees up, gazing down at his cock with that drunken gaze. A pang went through Ennis then, and the words struck him like a blow, “We’re fallin in love.” If that is what that pang meant... the feeling of drunken desire, the need to hold him, the constant ache of need, the explosive feelings of pleasure, the sense of mild panic at the inevitability of driving away...

Yes, that is what it felt like. Just like that horrible gut feeling the day Jack drove away from him in Signal, letting him fall all the way down, as if into a deep ravine, from which there was no crawling out without Jack to hold him. We’re fallin in love.


and at the end of the chapter:

Ellery eased his grip, sliding his tongue out, and knelt over Ennis, watching him twitch and pant, then lowered himself, his eyes looking up at Ennis watching him, and began to lap his belly, working his way up his chest slowly, his rigid cock brushing against Ennis’s thigh as he licked him. Ennis lifted a hand to stroke his hair, pushing it back from his pale face, still unable to catch his breath for the hard pang that lay in his chest, the pang that told him, we’re fallin in love.


Seriously hot, good stuff here...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 18, 2006, 09:45:00 am
From Chapter 75, Ennis puts up the birdhouse which to me was very symbolic of his first realization that he was going to stay....

It took more than ten minutes, Ennis having to use a ladder to get the feeder down where it hung off the eaves, before he could add the mounting and screw it to the pole he had pounded into the ground in the middle of the back yard, far enough from overhanging tree branches so that Greybeard the tomcat could not mount another assault. He was sweating by the time he got the birdhouse screwed onto the pole, then scooped out a canful of feed and reached up to pour it into the feeder, stocking it full, then hanging a string of suet and sunflower seeds from the front of the little house. He smiled, hearing the sound of chickadees and swallows , catching sight of the blur of a hummingbird dancing on a cornflower, and felt a sense of peace in him, now that he had put out something for them to eat. He covered the feed with canvas and set it inside the shed, thinking that he would have to remember to fill it when he came over to visit.

Yer talkin like yer comin back, boy, he thought to himself as he went inside to wash up. That’s cause yer comin back, ya just dont want ta say it. He did not dare ask Ellery any more about his theory, their moment of uncomfortable intimacy in the kitchen obliterated in the passion that followed, but he had thought about it almost constantly, since. It seemed so easy for him, now, to initiate sex, to tumble into bed, to feel that easy familiarity of sexual partnership. It was the rest that he had never done, the rest he had never yet dared to do. He looked at himself in the mirror as he wiped his hands. “Yer a queer, an yer in love with a man, boy. An yer comin back.” Once more, the expression that stared back at him seemed troubled, doubtful, but the words could not be argued against. Tears glistened in his eyes, but they were not tears of anguish, but of relief, that he knew now he was not going to make that tragic mistake he had made when he was nineteen, and drive off with that pain in his chest, not looking back.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 18, 2006, 11:46:56 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 18, 2006, 09:45:00 am
From Chapter 75, Ennis puts up the birdhouse which to me was very symbolic of his first realization that he was going to stay....

L

I especially like the last lines from what you quoted, "Tears glistened in his eyes, but they were not tears of anguish, but of relief, that he knew now he was not going to make that tragic mistake he had made when he was nineteen, and drive off with that pain in his chest, not looking back."

 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 18, 2006, 12:13:07 pm
Great quotes Leslie!

Yes the birdhouse is very symbolic indeed! Those birds will be a source of comfort and pleasure for Ennis.

Quote from: notBastet on December 18, 2006, 11:46:56 am
I especially like the last lines from what you quoted, "Tears glistened in his eyes, but they were not tears of anguish, but of relief, that he knew now he was not going to make that tragic mistake he had made when he was nineteen, and drive off with that pain in his chest, not looking back."

 :)


I agree, this was beautiful.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 18, 2006, 12:46:48 pm
Good morning, all!

Thank you once again, Leslie for the fantastic quotes - hot, sexy, touching, tender and gripping - everything! 

What great perspectives on the birdhouse!  It seems so obvious now that you pointed it out - but I hadn't before considered that Ennis putting up the birdhouse was indeed indicative of his permanence at Ellery's house!  Ennis loves his animals - they certainly will be a source of comfort and pleasure!  I thought, too, that the birds symbolized a "freedom" that Ennis has never had - and he is just beginning to see a glimmer of hope that he may have a chance at that freedom - to be who he is. 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 07:59:10 am
Good morning re-readers...

On today's agenda, chapters 76-80

http://louisev.livejournal.com/21989.html

A little quote from chp 76:

“Sure enough, Ellery,” Wayne nodded, and Ennis felt Wayne’s eyes on him, and kept his own gaze looking slightly away. He wondered if somehow Wayne thought of him as more attractive now that he and Ellery were a couple. Or maybe it was the new denims.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 10:23:03 am
From Chapter 77:

Stew folded his hands. “Tell him everything you know about it, and insist he launch an immediate investigation. I warned you about Bill Early a long time ago, Ellery....”

“Shit, Stew, I know.”

“You suffer from excessive loyalty, Ellery. And as your lawyer, I want you to know that I have conducted my own brief background investigation of Mr. Del Mar here. I am happy to say that he has no criminal record, and not so much as a traffic ticket for a broken rear turn light.”

Ennis blanched. Ellery stared at him. “You are pokin into Ennis’s background? Isn’t that a little forward, Stew?”

“Considering the current dilemmas I am helping you with, Ellery, it seemed prudent. I can’t really rely on your professional instincts when it comes to... personal matters.”

Ellery stood up. “Can’t say I blame ya there. I hope ya don’t think worse a poor Ennis just because he had a light out on his truck.”

Stew smiled tightly. “Have a good night Ellery. And keep your doors locked.”


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 10:24:29 am
A pivotal moment in Chapter 78:

Ennis blinked, glanced once more at the sullen Ellery, and then fixed Wes with a look. “Sir, are you offerin me a job?”

Wes smiled a little smile. “Well, depends on if you think you can pick healthy horses with a good temper when they’s just fillies, an if you got a good hand with em. No mistakin yer a quiet sort, keeps to yerself, an seein as how you’re already in the family, so ta speak...” he nodded at Ellery, who looked up, silently, exchanging glances with Wes... “I don’t see as how it is a losin proposition. We’d have ta agree on hours an salary an all that. You ain’t got someone ta answer to, no ranch work outstandin right now you got ta go back and finish?”

Ennis shook his head. “No sir. Ranch I worked went out a operation last summer, an cause I been there five years the owner gave me a bit of a severance from it. Name’s Carl Scrope, I’m sure he can give ya a reference fer what I done for em. Horses an cattle, but more lookin after em than actual saddle trainin, last couple years.”

Wes nodded. “You write down his name an I’ll make a call. This way I can make sure you stay close round here while we attend to some of the less pleasant duties my wife don’t want me ta go into at the dinner table.”

“Right,” Edna chimed in.

“I’ll surely do that. I’ll be goin back soon as my truck’s squared away... that’ll be Thursday sometime, an maybe come back Sunday....” he once again glanced over at Ellery.

“You gonna need a place ta stay, Ennis?” Edna said, cutting her meat into delicate slices.

“Uh...”

“No, he don’t need a place ta stay unless he’s sick a me,” Ellery interjected.

“I’m all set, at least fer now,” Ennis said, a blush creeping across his face. He had not expected to be arranging to stay with Ellery while at the dinner table with the sheriff and his wife, and even less, to be offered a job.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 19, 2006, 10:26:46 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 10:24:29 am
A pivotal moment in Chapter 78:


“No, he don’t need a place ta stay unless he’s sick a me,” Ellery interjected.

“I’m all set, at least fer now,” Ennis said, a blush creeping across his face. He had not expected to be arranging to stay with Ellery while at the dinner table with the sheriff and his wife, and even less, to be offered a job.


L

I just love picturing that last moment there...
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 10:27:44 am
More from chapter 78:

Ennis busied himself with the delicious pot roast, the meat’s excellence reminding him of the dinner he had had a couple of weeks before, the night that Ellery had “wined and dined” him. It seemed like a year ago. He felt like he was walking on air... being offered a job, working for people that Ellery trusted and considered his friends... only twenty minutes’ drive from Ellery’s house... and, staying with him.

He pushed the thought back out of his mind, but it continued to resurface through a hot apple pie and ice cream dessert, and then coffee and brandy as the dinner wound down. Does this mean he had just agreed to move to Laramie and move in with Ellery? He felt slightly dizzy, and told himself it was the brandy and the heavy meal.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 10:31:34 am
And more! Same chapter (78)

“Sure enough,” Ennis said, his mind still whirling.  Ellery pulled the cruiser up his driveway and shut off the key.

“But that ain’t the big thing on yer mind, is it, sweetheart?”

“Nope.”  Ennis looked down at his hands in the quiet.

“It’s about us.”

“Yup.”

“Then let’s go in an have about six scotches an then we’ll talk about it, okay?”

Ennis nodded, a smile on his face, and knew that Ellery understood just how frightened he was of the choices he was about to face.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 10:42:17 am
Chapter 79:

They lay together, smoking, sipping on the remains of their last shots of Glenfiddich, when Ennis finally spoke, quietly, in the darkness.

“I want ta come back, darlin.  I want ta be here with you.”

“Thank you sweetheart. I was hopin you would, afraid ta ask an scare ya off.”

“Try it out for a bit, okay?” he said, inhaling, filling his lungs.  “Couple weeks, see how it goes.”

“Sure.  Anythin that feels okay fer you.”

“Ellery?”

“Hmmm... whassat...” a long hand came up to push Ennis’s hair back, caress his neck.

“I think yer right about yer theory.”

“That’s good.” 

Ennis sighed, setting down his glass on the beside table.  “Thank you,” he murmured, and before Ellery could reply, his eyes had closed and he had slipped into a deep, untroubled sleep.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 19, 2006, 10:51:55 am
Happy Birthday NavyVet!

(sorry didn't know where to post the message so you would see it...)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 10:53:05 am
Oh, it's NavyVet's birthday? Happy birthday NV!

And look, we have passed 75,000 views! Wowza!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 19, 2006, 02:20:42 pm
Happy birthday NavyVet! congratulations!

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/product_3_24.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on December 19, 2006, 02:58:22 pm
Hoo-weeee!  I just saw all this!

Many thanx to all for the Birthday wishes!  I'm pretty lucky to be sharing this special day with a very special young man who we all love:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JAKE GYLLENHAAL!

What a wonderful actor - his memorable and beautiful portrayal of Jack Twist was a tour de force!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 19, 2006, 04:04:35 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 07:59:10 am


“Sure enough, Ellery,” Wayne nodded, and Ennis felt Wayne’s eyes on him, and kept his own gaze looking slightly away. He wondered if somehow Wayne thought of him as more attractive now that he and Ellery were a couple. Or maybe it was the new denims.


Awesome Jake picture - Thanks and Happy Birthday, NavyVet!



As for what Wayne's thinking - well I believe he's thinking about what is inside those new denims, Ennis!   ;D


Quote from: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 10:23:03 am
From Chapter 77:

Ennis blanched. Ellery stared at him. “You are pokin into Ennis’s background? Isn’t that a little forward, Stew?”
[/i]

SPOILER


Well, what Ellery says to Stew is even more interesting in light of what we've found out in "What I Did on My Day Off"  - now we know that Ellery himself was pokin' around!



  ;D
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 19, 2006, 10:42:17 am
Chapter 79:

They lay together, smoking, sipping on the remains of their last shots of Glenfiddich, when Ennis finally spoke, quietly, in the darkness.

“I want ta come back, darlin.  I want ta be here with you.”

“Thank you sweetheart. I was hopin you would, afraid ta ask an scare ya off.”

“Try it out for a bit, okay?” he said, inhaling, filling his lungs.  “Couple weeks, see how it goes.”

“Sure.  Anythin that feels okay fer you.”

“Ellery?”

“Hmmm... whassat...” a long hand came up to push Ennis’s hair back, caress his neck.

“I think yer right about yer theory.”

“That’s good.” 

Ennis sighed, setting down his glass on the beside table.  “Thank you,” he murmured, and before Ellery could reply, his eyes had closed and he had slipped into a deep, untroubled sleep.



One of my all-time favorite scenes!  Big Sigh.

Thanks - Marie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on December 19, 2006, 11:24:17 pm
Hey louise, the past week has seen a resurgence of your photocaps over on DCF. They have a new thread: Photocaps greatest hits

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=17834.msg642453#msg642453

I had no idea your caps were so f'ing funny, I'm dying here. they've been on for the last week or so.

don't suppose you'd be anywhere near Vienna from the 10th to the 18th, would you?? Be there on our honeymoon.

Jack
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 20, 2006, 12:01:53 am
funny you should mention that Jack, because  Jo mentioned to me that the Greatest Hits were rediscovering some of my photo caps.

I posted another set of 10 over on DC tonight and will be moving them onto Bettermost as time permits.

And no - I am leaving Europe very shortly and will not have time to go to Vienna, alas!  I wanted to go there last Christmas holiday when the company was closed but I ended up at first cancelling due to an anticipated blizzard, and was then asked to work over the holiday, so it worked out and it sort of didn't.  At least i got to listen to Beethoven's 9th and see "Fidelio" this time out, more than I got to last time!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on December 20, 2006, 06:51:04 am
If anybody on here visits DCF, do yourself a favor and check out Louise's Photocaps. they are the simplest, most apt, funniest damned things around, I'm still LMAO from  Jack's Speedo
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 20, 2006, 08:09:33 am
Hello re-readers,

Chapters 81-85 today.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/23491.html

From Chapter 81:

As expected, Ellery was late returning, and heaved a sigh as he came in the door, then brightened up as he smelled the air. “Holy fuck that smells good Ennis. An those biscuits... I don’t care if the doughboy is second fiddle ta Edna Brown, he smells good enough ta eat right now!”

Ennis came out of the kitchen, wiping his hands, eyeing Ellery up and down. “You ready ta eat?”

“Yeah, let me get my uniform off though.”

Ennis pouted slightly. “Aw... can’t ya keep that on? I was thinkin after dinner I could have me a chief Deputy for dessert.”

“Uniform does that for ya, huh?” that glitter sparked in Ellery’s eyes as he advanced toward him and slid his hands up Ennis’s arms to the elbow, his breath close to his neck.

“Sure does, Deputy darlin...” Ennis rasped, turning his head and reaching up that small amount to press his mouth against Ellery’s knowing smile, grabbing his arms and capturing him so he could not pull away.

When he finally let Ellery go, they were panting slightly. “Somethin tells me that is a gettin fancy kiss, sweetheart.”

“Sure the hell is,” Ennis murmured. “Now let’s eat. I been waitin on you.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 20, 2006, 08:13:10 am
Chapter 82:

Ennis smiled, feeling a pang in his chest, wondering how Junior would feel when he got in his truck and moved away from her, down to Laramie? “Be home soon darlin, you take care now.”

“Love ya Daddy,”

“I love you too Junior, see you soon.”

Ennis set the phone down slowly, that pang spreading in his chest, and looked up to see Ellery pulling off his boots on the sofa. “Daughter misses me...” he said softly.

“Feels good ta be loved don’t it, sweetheart?” Ellery replied, standing up and approaching him slowly, holding out a hand, sliding it over the back of Ennis’s hand as he drew in close.


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 20, 2006, 08:57:40 am
chapter 83

By the time he had finished ironing his shirts, folded his socks (one of which he put under the pillow where he had been sleeping), he put in a load of Ellery’s clothes, including one of his uniforms. As he picked up the clothes, he held them to his face, the slight spice of body odor, the lingering sweetness of his cigars, the scent of his body stirring him, and he remembered picking Jack’s shirt out of his closet in Lightning flat, holding it up to his nose, breathing it in, trying to catch a whiff of the man who no longer was... the scent, gone. He had a wild desire, then, sorted through the shirts, selecting one with just enough of the odor of him, scented with the sweet taste of the cigar, and folded it, putting it in his gunnysack with his own clean, folded clothes. He sat down, suddenly, leaning against the radiant heat of the dryer, putting his head down on the top of the sack.

“Jack... why did ya have ta die? It coulda ... been good, like this. I woulda.... changed....” he stopped speaking, then, putting his hands over his face. Would he have? Without the shock of that loss, without the months of solitude, sitting and staring at those shirts hanging on his wall, followed by the crushing unemployment and inactivity, the last winter blowing savagely through the drafty cracks in the trailer before the last hopeless season at the ranch... would he have changed?

He sat, suddenly inert, tears of grief falling once again, echoing that grief he felt at the moment of orgasm the night before... the pain of separation from the one he loved... the man he loved.... how many separations... more time saying goodbye than ever saying hello, more desperate, last minute partings than joyful reacquaintances... one more than he really needed. He sobbed, his guts twisted into a semblance of that feeling of hopeless loss, and could not tell if it was Jack he grieved, or this day’s departure. Maybe it was the same thing, after having refused to acknowledge all of those partings, refused to acknowledge that first love and loss, each parting from Ellery seemed like a death.




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 20, 2006, 09:35:44 am
Quote from: brokebackjack on December 20, 2006, 06:51:04 am
If anybody on here visits DCF, do yourself a favor and check out Louise's Photocaps. they are the simplest, most apt, funniest damned things around, I'm still LMAO from  Jack's Speedo

Actually the er, Classic Collection are in the Bettermost Lighter Side forum!  No need to travel across the pond to see "No Jack I haven't seen your damn blue Speedo."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 20, 2006, 11:31:21 am
Also from chapter 83:

Ellery rushed in the door a couple of hours later. “Thought I’d miss ya. Carol said you’d called but I never got back to the office. Everythin okay?”

Ennis pointed at the window where a robin was presiding over the bird feeder, and a bright blue hummingbird hovered nearby. “Look at em. Been watchin em all afternoon. It’s relaxin.”

“You been watchin birds?” Ellery laughed. “They are pretty, I admit. An there’s a whole herd of em out there.”

“Flock, Ellery.” He rose, stretching slightly, and the hummingbird flitted off, perhaps scared by the movement on the other side of the glass.

“Flock. Yer truck ready?”

He nodded. “All ready ta go, except for pickin up the truck an payin em.”

Ellery threw his arms around his neck, breathing into his ear. “An yer goodbye kisses a course,” and fastened his mouth on Ennis’s before he could object.

When they let go of each other, Ennis gave him a wink and a smirk. “I like kissin ya better when yer wearin that uniform.”

“I’ll have it on when ya get back.”

“You better.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 20, 2006, 11:48:05 am
from Chapter 85:

Ennis opened his mouth, then closed it, facing the rage and pain written in his daughter’s face. “An I wouldn’t a done it if I could a helped it, neither, darlin. An I never meant ta hurt nobody neither.” Tears stung his eyes. “That wasn’t why I done it, an your momma never did nothin wrong ta deserve it. Is that what ya want me ta say?”

“I thought you mighta changed yer ways!” she gasped, overwhelmed by her boldness, and turned away from him, turning off the tap as if doing so were an admission of defeat.

“Ain’t no changin this Junior. Only reason I stopped goin away campin was because he died. My man died. Never told no one that, an now ya know.”

She put a hand over her face. “Now you got a new one,” concealing her eyes if she dared not look.

“Didn’t spect it. It just happened. But yeah. He got a good job an a house there an asked me ta stay, an I am goin back, too.” There. He had said it. He saw his daughter tremble behind the concealing hand. “Got offered a job trainin horses, an goin back ta work out the details, move my horses down there soon as we get it settled.”

“Daddy…” she murmured, disbelieving, looking up at him from behind that concealing hand, her eyes bright with tragedy and loss. “Yer goin away…”

“Save ya the trouble a kickin me out for bein queer, I suppose,” he said, picking up his fork, forcing himself to eat to still the growl in his guts.

“I’d never kick you out!” she denied, taking the defensive. “You don’t got ta go all the way ta Laramie ta…”

“Yeah I do. I want ta be with em. Lived a long lonesome life already, an I’m sick of it. Got a good job, doin somethin I know how, workin for good people. Got a good man an I want ta be with em.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 20, 2006, 02:26:56 pm
This paragraph from Chapter 82:

He stroked Ellery’s cock without mercy, pumping him with the same violent tempo, riding him to ground, his lover’s spurt spilling over his hand before his own orgasm erupted from him like a storm bursting from thunderheads, sudden, hot and wet, his eyes raining tears of relief mingled with despair, and he tumbled, all the way down, into a dark ravine where he hoped he would find Ellery once more, when they both stopped falling.


 - is so perfectly phrased - relief and despair - the sad, frustrating irony of Ennis's life.

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 20, 2006, 06:15:51 pm
And now, a few photos from the E&E Mini Euro Meet between Fabienne and I in Brussels!

Fabienne in her beautiful home where she put me up

(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1190/fabiennetrimgv4.jpg)

Her lovely daughter Anna

(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/7286/annasmallwi8.jpg)

Your author

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Anna and Elise playing "Cluedo"


(http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/5854/girlssmalltc1.jpg)

a few more photos in the next message


(all photos are copyright E. Louise Van Hine, 2006, and may not be used without permission.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 20, 2006, 06:19:19 pm
Downtown Brussels


(http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/4235/brussel1smallvu4.jpg)


(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1174/brussel2smallzl7.jpg)

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(all photos are copyright E. Louise Van Hine, 2006, and may not be used without permission.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 21, 2006, 03:21:46 am
Oooo..great pix Louise and Fabienne!  :D
Cheers for sharing!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 21, 2006, 04:01:06 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 20, 2006, 08:57:40 am
chapter 83

By the time he had finished ironing his shirts, folded his socks (one of which he put under the pillow where he had been sleeping), he put in a load of Ellery’s clothes, including one of his uniforms. As he picked up the clothes, he held them to his face, the slight spice of body odor, the lingering sweetness of his cigars, the scent of his body stirring him, and he remembered picking Jack’s shirt out of his closet in Lightning flat, holding it up to his nose, breathing it in, trying to catch a whiff of the man who no longer was... the scent, gone. He had a wild desire, then, sorted through the shirts, selecting one with just enough of the odor of him, scented with the sweet taste of the cigar, and folded it, putting it in his gunnysack with his own clean, folded clothes. He sat down, suddenly, leaning against the radiant heat of the dryer, putting his head down on the top of the sack.

               oh so beautiful, it just breaks my heart still..i cry and carry on, as he must......                          janice
“Jack... why did ya have ta die? It coulda ... been good, like this. I woulda.... changed....” he stopped speaking, then, putting his hands over his face. Would he have? Without the shock of that loss, without the months of solitude, sitting and staring at those shirts hanging on his wall, followed by the crushing unemployment and inactivity, the last winter blowing savagely through the drafty cracks in the trailer before the last hopeless season at the ranch... would he have changed?

He sat, suddenly inert, tears of grief falling once again, echoing that grief he felt at the moment of orgasm the night before... the pain of separation from the one he loved... the man he loved.... how many separations... more time saying goodbye than ever saying hello, more desperate, last minute partings than joyful reacquaintances... one more than he really needed. He sobbed, his guts twisted into a semblance of that feeling of hopeless loss, and could not tell if it was Jack he grieved, or this day’s departure. Maybe it was the same thing, after having refused to acknowledge all of those partings, refused to acknowledge that first love and loss, each parting from Ellery seemed like a death.





Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on December 21, 2006, 04:16:24 am
Lovely pics, Louise and Fabienne  :)

You have 2 beautiful daughters, Fabienne  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 21, 2006, 08:15:08 am
Re-readers, today we have chapters 86 to 90:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/24750.html

From 86:

He set the phone down, a sudden dizziness striking him, and he stepped back, stumbling as his leg bumped into the chair, and sat heavily. He slumped against the table, head down, his breath feeling like fire in his chest. “Jack would be proud a you…”

Jack, would you be proud a me, movin out a town and down to the city to move in an have a queer life with a college eddicated detective deputy sheriff? Jealous as fuck maybe, rollin over in the grave…. His thoughts were dismayed, disconnected, wrenching an audible sob from him, his stinging tears soaking through his shirt as he gasped out his regret, his guilt, his ambivalence. It seemed that every moment of happiness was somehow mixed with despair, every joy, sullied by a tinge of grief. Even this bold move, giving him a new career and the hope of love once more, spoiled by the grim, silent dismay of the only other person whose esteem he truly valued, because Francine and Alma had shut him out years ago.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 21, 2006, 08:22:23 am
And a reunion in Chapter 87:

The sun was hot on the windshield as he turned off the 287, the lump of grief in his throat from his departure from Riverton felt half as big now, his mind shying away from emotional pain, now alternating between two appetites, food and sex.

As he turned into the driveway behind the El Camino, he felt his guts tighten with a now-familiar ache, his breath attenuating, and he nearly dropped his keys as he turned off the truck. Swung his now-quite-full gunnysack out of the back, stuffing the black t-shirt down inside. That shirt had been under his pillow during his brief stay at Junior’s, the one tangible item that connected him to this strange, new life he was embarking on, and as he hurried, now breathless, up to the door, he became aware once again that he was not alone. He tried the door, and it opened, and as he walked in, he glanced over at the sofa, the long lean body, all in black, topped by his black, thin-brimmed hat, tilted jauntily over his eyebrow at an angle.

“Well if it ain’t Mr. Please an Thank you,” he said, smirking, tilting the hat back and looking him up and down.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 21, 2006, 08:27:42 am
ack!  I love the quotes you pick out, Leslie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 21, 2006, 09:26:24 am
From Chapter 88:

“Ya come home, make me suck you off, fuck me, now yer eatin everythin in the kitchen. Was it that bad in Riverton?”

Ennis swallowed. “Yeah. Hardly ate since yesterday mornin. It was a major shit storm.” He buttered another biscuit. “An you weren’t there. And it sucked.”

“Well there go my fears a you not comin back. What’d she say?”

Ennis took another bite, demolishing his fourth biscuit before he replied once more. “She said I needed ta find a girl ta step out with an not go back ta my evil ways.”

“She said that? Evil?”

“No, the snakebite in her tone a voice said evil. Becomin just like er momma.”

“Ennis I don’t want ta sound like the devil’s advocate or nothin but a couple weeks ago you ain’t never set foot in this city, never mind take up with a man out in the open, don’t you think it might shock yer daughter just a smidge?”

“Yeah but she didn’t have no call ta treat me like dirt.”

and later, same chapter, the famous burning biscuits:

“I don’t think so.” Those slate eyes were piercing him, daring him, provoking him, and he scrambled up out of his chair, white hot with anger, gripping onto sharp elbows, glaring into his face.

“I said shut up,” he growled, his breath hot on Ellery’s face, and he in turn was seized, Ellery’s long fingers digging into his upper arms, as he forced his mouth on Ennis’s, prying his lips open with his tongue, pulling him into a hot kiss that was half rage, half passion, and Ennis responded automatically, his hands letting go the elbows and crushing him into a bear hug, a surge of lust making him hard once more, fueled by a helpless anger that had no proper outlet.

He fumbled his pants open and pulled Ellery up to his feet, marching him to the sofa and pushing him down onto his knees, then tore his briefs down , already thrusting blindly with his hips, then grabbed his cock, aiming it back into him with a savage thrust, then tightening his hands over his hips and riding him savagely, not stopping until he came with a strangled groan, feeling Ellery’s body shudder with orgasm beneath him.

He pulled out, slowly, feeling guilty and ashamed of his rage, running his hands down Ellery’s ass as if to console him after a rape, then backed away a step.

“Sweetheart,” Ellery said softly, his voice pitched with the husky tone of satisfied lust.

“Whut?” he asked, his heart thudding.

“Doughboys are burnin.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 21, 2006, 09:36:39 am
Chapter 89, two drunk boys, making toasts:

Ellery swayed slighty and leaned in, aiming his shot glass for a crooked collision with Ennis’s. “To respect.”

“Respect. Goddammitall,” Ennis grumbled, smiling crookedly, and took a gulp of scotch. “Fuckin great stuff, Ellery.”

“Thank you, Ennis. Only the best fer my sweetheart.”

“You know somethin? You are the only friend I got in the world right now, Ellery.”

Ellery grinned just as stupidly back at Ennis, and aimed his shot glass once more for another toast. “To friendship,” he announced, hiccuping.

“Ta friendship,” Ennis echoed, then gulped once more, sighing and looking up at the ceiling at their shadows.

“Yer moren a friend. That’s what I tol that girl. Moren a friend. Yer my ... yer my lover,” Ennis said, squinting at Ellery as if attempting to recognize him by this new title.

“That’s what they call it,” Ellery said softly.

“You like bein my lover, even though I pounded yer ass inta next week?” Ennis said, gazing with that squinting look, disoriented now.

“Yep. I’ll catch up with it next week sometime.”

“You ain’t mad at me?”

“No.”

“Not even if I tol ya ta shut up?”

“As long as ya didn’t gimme a black eye or nothin. Wes’d wonder.”

“I wouldn’t do that.” He hesitated, squeezing his eyes closed a long moment and then opening them. “I wouldn’t do that no more.”

“That’s good.”

“We ain’t got nothin ta ... clear up?”

“No. Yer upset. Yer daughter gave ya shit, ya just made a big decision. Could be worse. Might get worse.”

“Hope not. I hate feelin like this, like I got ta tear someone else’s heart out just so I can have my own life.”

“It’ll pass, you didn’t do nothin ta her on purpose.”

Ennis looked closely at Ellery. “She thinks I did. Gave me this song an dance about makin her momma cry all night every night I was away when I went ta see Jack –“ he slapped his hand on the mattress, making little sound, bouncing ineffectually. “Goddamn, I didn’t need that guilt.”

“Ennis, she don’t understand yet that there ain’t no place in society for queer love, an any time a man wants ta go for somethin he wants he has ta break a whole lotta rules an hurt people, cause everything is stacked against em. She probly thinks you can just go ta church Sunday mornin an Jesus’ll wash yer queer feelins away if only yer willin too, an that just ain’t so. A lot a people feel that way.”

“Shit, I thought that way. Marriage ceremony, for god an man an all that shit, and it didn’t do nothin ta me.”

“Ezzacly. So she’s jes ignorant.”

Ennis reached over, swaying heavily, and clinked his glass hard against Ellery’s. “Ta ignorance.”

Ellery lost his balance slightly, the scotch lapping up over the side of his glass. “Hey, watch it there... ta... what’d you jes say?”

“Ta ignorance.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 21, 2006, 09:47:19 am
And in Chapter 90, the moment we've all been waiting for:

“Yeah well… so one night I was workin late on a case… you’ll be hearin a lot a these in due course… maybe even getting ta have the glorious experience a wonderin when I’m getting home… so anyway I was workin late on a burglary thing…had ta go down ta Cheyenne for some case records cause we thought we had the same thing here as another string a burglaries down there… an gettin back it started in one a those rains, ya know, when the heavens open an God just tosses all the water back down wringin out his warsh.”

“Right.” He had been in a few of those himself. He moved his hands down, cautiously, noting that by now he was fully erect, the tip of his cock dragging across Ellery’s ass with every movement, and his breath was quickening.

“You getting excited?”

“I told ya don’t worry.”

“When ya get done I’ll take care a ya.”

“Go on, wringin out his warsh…”

“Right. So this big gust a wind come up, an course I didn’t slow down none, an it was dark, an I was tired, an I hydroplaned right into the guardrail. If I’d a been in a regular car I woulda be squished inside like a bug, but I was drivin a truck an just got folded up like an accordion.”

“Jesus Ellery. How fast was you goin?”

“I dunno, 80, 90.”

“Miracle yer still alive.”

“Oh yeah, well, Ford used ta make some real sturdy trucks, sweetheart.” His voice was soft, the sigh he made seemed to be not all relief at the massage, but perhaps in part, regret. “That wasn’t the worst part.”

“What was?”

“Bill. I got put in traction an he come ta see me in the hospital an when he found out I’d be like that a few weeks he was hoppin mad. Ain’t gonna be givin him what he wants in bed laid up like that.”

“He shoulda been happy you was still alive.”

“Well he was, for about fifteen twenty seconds I suppose. Ya know, maybe that was when he started stepping out on me, when I was in the hospital. Didn’t occur ta me at the time, but lookin back.”

“What a bastard. If it was me I woulda been there spoonin soup into yer mouth an rubbin lotion on yer feet.”

“Well that’s because.. you care, Ennis. That is why I love you like I do.”

Ennis’s hands froze mid stroke, and he looked up at the half averted face, and he saw Ellery glance up.

“What’d you say?”

“I said that is why I love you. You know that right?” Ellery’s voice was soft, but sure, unhesitating.

“Yeah I guess I do.”

“Don’t worry, I don’t spect you to say anythin.”

“Why not?” Ennis felt piqued by the comment.

“Cause I didn’t say it ta get ya ta say anythin. It’s just how I feel.”

Ennis took a deep breath. “Well… it’s how I feel too.”

“Good ta know, sweetheart. Now just… press… right there.”

Ennis obeyed, his face flaming hot with emotions. He had just admitted his love for Ellery, in that brief, unexpected moment. Or had he? He continued to concentrate on releasing the spasm in his back, saying nothing, listening to the signs and soft moans of the man beneath him, and dared not say anything for a long time.


L


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 21, 2006, 10:40:32 am
Good Morning!

Thanks for the sharing the great pictures, Louise!  Leslile does pick out some wonderful quotes, doesn't she? 

I always remembered this little exchange in Chapter 87 for a couple of reasons:


“What are ya wearin?”

“Right now I’m wearin the corner a the bed sheet but I can take that off if ya want.”

Ennis’s breath stopped briefly, hitched. “Yeah.”

“Okay. I ain’t wearin nothing, an I look like a movie star, lyin in bed, naked an waitin for ya.”

“Make sure ta get dressed.”

“Yeah yeah. You want me ta wear my gun?”

“Nah, that’s okay. Guns make me nervous.”

“Okay, I’ll leave the gun off.”

“Where’s yer hand?”

“You know where my hand is.”

“Yeah.” Ennis mumbled the word out, squeezing his eyes closed, turning to lean in against the phone booth to hide his erection in case someone came by. “I’ll be there soon.”


First off, Ellery sure doesn't suffer from false modesty!   :)  He is very much aware that he is one fine looking man!  (Later on when he is in the hospital in Riverton he thinks about what a good looking corpse he would make!   :laugh:).  Second, this is a peek at phone smex, Ennis style - Do you think Ennis was still too shy at this point to have gone any further on the phone?   I'm not sure he would have gone much further even if he weren't at a public phone booth!  ;D

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 21, 2006, 10:58:32 am
There was a comment in Chapter 86 that I hadn't taken much notice of on the first reading:
"It seems in this chapter that Junior is more upset with her Daddy leaving than him being a queer..."

One of the things we never get any details of, either in the story or film, is what goes on in Ennis' household when he's off with Jack on their "fishing trips."  These had to be bleak, bitter times for Alma, and when the girls were past early childhood they would have been aware that their father quit job after job, never took them or their mother on vacations, but was always off with this man -- there had to be some feeling there of being abandoned, which is every child's worst instictive fear.

It sounds here like Ellery is a stand-in for Jack in Junior's mind. Had his years-long affair when he was married to Alma been with a woman, there might have been some resentment at his moving in with a new 'honey', but in this context, he's in a relationship that isn't sanctioned by most of society so there's some added permission, so to speak, to be resentful. Very realistic response, IMO.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 21, 2006, 08:50:54 pm
Both girls have suffered from being separated from their father, and this is a recurring theme in their wanting to take advantage of the new opportunities afforded by Ennis's improved circumstances, but at the outset, the first reaction was complete resentment at the feeling of being abandoned.  Again.  Very good observation!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 22, 2006, 09:09:53 am
Good morning re-readers...

chapters 91-95 are on the agenda today!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/26077.html

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 22, 2006, 09:54:00 am
Good morning Leslie  :)

a great line from chapter 91:

It was time to unpack, unwind, and get used to being in Laramie.


although Ennis might not be ready to unwind...

He found another cigar, lit it, and brooded, savoring the more violent encounters he had had with Ellery, feeling his passion build to the point where it discomfited him. He rose and walked, slowly, feeling dazed, toward the bedroom, standing in the doorway, and watched the quiet body of his lover, sleeping. He unzipped, pulling his throbbing cock out, and began to stroke it, his eyes fixed on the now-relaxed, pale face, black hair splayed against the pillow as he sighed in sleep.

He gasped, closing his eyes tightly, squeezing tight as he came, the image of Ellery on his knees and bent beneath him, moaning, triggering a rapid, violent orgasm. When he opened his eyes Ellery was awake, pale grey eyes locking with his as he held his dripping, softening cock, a slow smile spreading across his sleepy face.


phew 8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 22, 2006, 01:17:31 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 22, 2006, 09:54:00 am

phew 8)


Phew! is right!!!   ;D


This was an interesting exchange in light of just reading Ellery's POV of their first day:


“You don’t think so? You missed all those battin eyelashes over the runny eggs that day. Or don’t you pay attention ta flirtin all that much?”

It was Ennis’s turn to stare, his face red. “I sure as hell paid attention when you was flirtin. An you did a whole lot a that....”

Ellery nodded, his lids falling to half mast. “Well sweetheart, that’s because ya ignored so much of it. An about half an hour after we started in talkin I wanted you somethin awful. Couldn’t ya tell?”

“Well... um.... no.”

He laughed again. “I got another name fer ya but it ain’t so complimentary, maybe I shouldn’t say so.”

“What? Worse that’ll happen is I’ll spank yer ass,” Ennis mumbled, a shy dare.



Yes, you're going to make good on that threat, aren't you, Ennis?   ;D

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 22, 2006, 01:35:52 pm
once he got his first look at that ass he was scheming, that's my view.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 22, 2006, 03:34:34 pm
Here's an exchange I like, from Chapter 92:

“Know something?” he leaned over, flicked the end of the cigar neatly in the ashtray, making a small grunt as he stretched too far, then handed the cigar back to Ennis, who looked down at it for a long moment before taking another draw on it.

“Whut?”

“Yer gettin a lot more relaxed talkin about this.”

“Maybe that’s cause we do it so damn much.”

Ellery grinned. “That ain’t it.”

“What is it then?”

“Another one a my theories.”

“If I close my eyes will ya tell it ta me?”

“Sure.”

Ennis handed the cigar back to Ellery and closed his eyes, reaching out a hand and caressing his thigh gently with his fingertips.

“Queer men come in varieties, Ennis, an the best partners are made up a varieties that are compatible.”

“Yeah, what variety are we?” he asked, peeking out from under blond lashes briefly before closing his eyes once more.

“Yer shy in public but under that is a sexual dominant. Mostly. Maybe you got some submissive parts in you we ain’t seen yet but you like the control a bein the top. An the best kind a variety ta go with that is a submissive. An I about have my fill a yellin an screamin an bitchin at work that ain’t got no dominatin left in me when I get home, which is why I like ta submit.”

Ennis opened his eyes, gazing at him. “When I first met you I thought you were such a cocky son of a bitch. Really turned me off. I thought… if he is queer I bet he loves ta get a man on his knees.”

“You thought that? Sittin in Bill’s kitchen eatin them runny eggs? You hardly looked at me atall.”

“That’s why. I thought you was a cocky son of a bitch.”

“Well you got that right, but I hate doin that in bed. That’s yer department, Mr. Please an Thank you.”

“Thank you.”

“But I knew you were dominant, even sittin there eatin them eggs.”

Ennis stopped stroking that white thigh, seeing that Ellery was slowly softening, relaxing. He must be in a lot of pain to not want sex now, he thought suddenly. “How’d you know that?”

“I was askin ya stuff you didn’t want ta tell me. An as soon as you got to the limit you just cut right off an said ‘Ain’t that long ago if you don’t mind,’ an I heard that growl in ya. It went right into my guts. I like a man with growl.”

“Shit Ellery, you want ta make me hard again?”

“Is it possible? You are sure havin one serious reaction ta movin down here. Just like back when I was a teenager. Wall ta wall fuckin.”

Ennis blushed, embarrassed, and he wondered if that was all it was.

“So what do ya think a my theory?” Ellery asked, handing him back the cigar.

“I dunno. Let me think about it,” and took the cigar, taking a long draw, feeling himself relax once more.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 23, 2006, 09:02:32 am
Re-readers...

We finish today! Just four chapaters left, 95, 96, 97 and 98.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27121.html

I'll cut right to the chase with the closing paragraphs of the story...

“Right.” Ennis picked up the bottle of oil and poured some into his hand, reaching down and touching that painful spot just north of the flare of his ass, feeling a heartbeat there, his fingers moving slowly upward and into the healthier muscle above, and felt the other man’s breath deepen into a soft moan.

“Ellery,” he said, his voice thick, heavy in his throat.

“What…”

“You don’t… ya don’t have ta fuck me every day for me ta stay. Yer wearin yerself out. You got work ta do.”

Ellery didn’t answer. Ennis took a deep breath, let it out. He knew that there was only one thing to say, and that it must be said.

“I’ll love ya anyway.” His eyes seemed to sting and blur, and he felt the wide, slate grey gaze settle on him, a hand move up to his naked chest, stroking it, and he shivered deeply.

“Thank you, Ennis.”

Choking back a sob, Ennis leaned down, taking the hand that rested against his chest, caressing it between his fingers even as he continued to rub the hot, tense muscles of his back, and kissed him, eyes closed, tenderly, his lips soft against the open lips of his lover, parting softly to whisper against them… “I do…love you.” And he felt the surge of emotion in the body beneath him as the lips brushing his responded, perhaps more softly,

“And I love you, too, sweetheart.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 23, 2006, 09:05:03 am
Do people want to continue re-reading? I do...

Next on the list will be Looking For Answers. I am thinking we can start on December 26th and follow the same routine, 5 chapters a day. Let me know you are participating. Thanks!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 23, 2006, 09:08:25 am
For your handy-dandy use, you can find indexes to the first two books here:

Link directly to

http://zebratta.livejournal.com/

You will find a full clickable index to the entire books of "Taking Chances" and "Looking for Answers"

I have asked Webgirl to do the other books as time permits.  For new readers (Like you Karen) and Rereaders alike!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on December 23, 2006, 10:41:56 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 23, 2006, 09:05:03 am
Do people want to continue re-reading? I do...

Next on the list will be Looking For Answers. I am thinking we can start on December 26th and follow the same routine, 5 chapters a day. Let me know you are participating. Thanks!

L

Umm, yes!

It's a serendipity that we finish Taking Chances just before Christmas! As one of my favorite fanfic original characters said, "Things happen for a reason." (For those of you unfamiliar with that quote, it's from Hal's nephew, Tom, in Leslie's brilliant alternate universe fic, A Love Born from Steel.)

This morning, when I read of Ennis speaking the words, "I'll love ya anyway," my eyes filled with tears yet again, even though this was about the seventh time I've read that scene.

And all this carryin' on is to say that the shared re-reading is very important to me. I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment. :)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 23, 2006, 02:49:06 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 23, 2006, 09:05:03 am
Do people want to continue re-reading? I do...

Next on the list will be Looking For Answers. I am thinking we can start on December 26th and follow the same routine, 5 chapters a day. Let me know you are participating. Thanks!

L


Oh, yes, Leslie, I do too! :)  Starting again next week sounds good.



Quote from: pastorfred on December 23, 2006, 10:41:56 am
Umm, yes!

It's a serendipity that we finish Taking Chances just before Christmas! As one of my favorite fanfic original characters said, "Things happen for a reason." (For those of you unfamiliar with that quote, it's from Hal's nephew, Tom, in Leslie's brilliant alternate universe fic, A Love Born from Steel.)

This morning, when I read of Ennis speaking the words, "I'll love ya anyway," my eyes filled with tears yet again, even though this was about the seventh time I've read that scene.

And all this carryin' on is to say that the shared re-reading is very important to me. I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment. :)



I can't say it better than that.  I'm reading ALBFS right now - and loving it!  Tom is a great character - and I agree with his sentiment completely!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 24, 2006, 10:58:48 am
Hi guys,

I'm unable to chat or be online much from my holiday locale, but just wanted to wish everyone Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays!

Kelly
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 24, 2006, 12:21:53 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 23, 2006, 09:05:03 am
Do people want to continue re-reading? I do...

Next on the list will be Looking For Answers. I am thinking we can start on December 26th and follow the same routine, 5 chapters a day. Let me know you are participating. Thanks!

L

Oh, yes Leslie, I do  :)

good idea to start on the 26th of december. I'll be there.

Quote from: pastorfred on December 23, 2006, 10:41:56 am
Umm, yes!

It's a serendipity that we finish Taking Chances just before Christmas! As one of my favorite fanfic original characters said, "Things happen for a reason." (For those of you unfamiliar with that quote, it's from Hal's nephew, Tom, in Leslie's brilliant alternate universe fic, A Love Born from Steel.)

This morning, when I read of Ennis speaking the words, "I'll love ya anyway," my eyes filled with tears yet again, even though this was about the seventh time I've read that scene.

And all this carryin' on is to say that the shared re-reading is very important to me. I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment. :)



You sure aren't Fred. And thank you for those truely inspiring words.  :)


Merry Christmas everyone  :)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Quiplash on December 24, 2006, 12:34:24 pm
This is my gift to all the wonderful BBM authors and artists.

Happy Holidays and a creative 2007 to you all!

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/331599305_bb81b3ef5b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/331599305/)
Brokeback Pastoral

(Click the thumbnail for larger sizes on the Flickr page for this fanart.)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on December 24, 2006, 04:49:30 pm
Hey Quip!

That is a beautiful pic!  Cheers mate!  ;)
Happy Holidays to you!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 24, 2006, 10:49:04 pm
Thank you all for your Christmas greetings and wishes.  I just wanted to make a special acknowledgement here to Leslie!  (MaineWriter) who has spent the ReReaders time going through my original manuscript of "Taking Chances" and making comprehensive copy edits to it as groundwork for my turning "Taking Chances" into an original fic.

I will be reviewing the edits and adding some of my own back in.  Thank you for this very thoughtful, and labor-intensive gift, Leslie, I deeply appreciate it, and so will all of the people who would like to get a printed published original fic of "Taking Chances"!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 24, 2006, 10:54:53 pm
Quote from: notBastet on December 24, 2006, 10:58:48 am
Hi guys,

I'm unable to chat or be online much from my holiday locale, but just wanted to wish everyone Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays!

Kelly
mkerry christmas kelly..we miss you and want you back as soon as you are able...so come home safely to us, after you have a beautiful and lovely warm holiday...                                                           janice
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 26, 2006, 10:44:45 am
Good morning, re-readers!

As we delve into Looking for Answers, we begin with Ellery at the bar, counting receipts.

Chapters 1-5 today:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27985.html

“Somethin else on yer mind, Wayne?”

Wayne picked up a stack of quarters and let them chink down into the stack with a small noise, then did it again, not making eye contact.

“Could ya maybe have Ennis come watch the bar a night or two?”

“Ennis? How come?”

“He jes… he seems like he’d do a better job.”

“Ennis don’t work fer me, Wayne. He’s my partner, not my bouncer. Besides he got a job workin with horses. I don’t think he wants another job throwin drunk queers outta my bar.”

“Oh. How’s he doin anyway?”

Ellery set down his pen, thinking quietly for a moment. “What’s all the questions bout Ennis for?”

Wayne shrugged, blushing slightly. “Just curious is all. He never comes in the bar… an I took him for a drinkin man.”

“Oh ya miss em do ya? Well I’ll tell him ta stop by some time if he’s got the inclination. I’ll tell him you were askin fer a kiss.”

“Ellery!”

Ellery tilted his head at him. “Well ain’t you?”

“No!” Wayne’s blush was deepening. “I just thought he seemed like a nice guy. I guess I was right, you like him well enough.”

“Yeah, I do. An if he wanted ta have a little fun with someone half his age then it’d be all right with me as long as he showers before he comes home, but I don’t think yer gonna make any time with him Wayne.”

“I told you…”

“Yer a little slut Wayne. No harm in it, a course, a lotta queer men are. But yer just as likely ta get Ennis in bed as you are ta get a date with Arnold what’s his name.”

“Schwarzenegger,” Wayne replied automatically. Wayne had put up a poster of the weightlifter behind the bar from one of the stills in a French gay magazine from several years before. “An I wasn’t askin for that reason…”

“Oh no? Well if he comes by you can tell him yerself why you was pinin after him.”

Wayne tucked his chin into his collar, painfully embarrassed. “Ain’t pinin after em.”

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 26, 2006, 10:56:34 am
From Chapter 2:

He managed to get home by four, took a shower to get rid of the lingering goo they used at the clinic for the ultrasound massage, and was patting himself dry when he heard the door open. He slicked his hair back with a comb and then padded out to the living room, leaning against the doorjamb.

The look on Ennis’s face was everything he had hoped for. “Jesus Ellery, I can tell I ain’t even gonna get ta eat am I?”

“Hell no,” he smirked, making a small gesture. “How can ya eat with all this raw meat lyin around waitin for ya?”

“Can’t.” He dropped the bag he was carrying, tossed his hat on the sofa and came over, sliding rough hands down the smooth warm flanks, cupping both cheeks of his ass as he yearned up for the taste of his lips, devouring them hungrily as he pressed the yielding naked flesh against him, hips grinding into his.

“You smell good,” Ellery whispered, nipping at his lower lip.

“Good thing I warshed up at Wes’s. I didn’t know you was gonna pull this on me. How’s the back?”

“Fine. Had a massage. It don’t get much bettern this, sweetheart, so let’s make it good.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 26, 2006, 11:02:10 am
and from Chapter 3:

“There was fights again at the bar?”

“Yeah, well less punchin each other an more punchin my furniture.”

“Maybe I should go down an help out. I got time some nights...”

Ellery frowned. “That would sorta ruin our weekends now wouldn’t it? Besides, I can hire muscleboys ta do that an I ain’t gonna sit home Saturday nights alone because yer doin me a favor. That ain’t no kinda favor, Ennis.”

“Well ya just fired yer bouncer, what’s gonna happen tomorrow?”

“Good point,” he mulled, pulled back into the orbit of Ennis as he sat chewing the last of his hamburger, and brushed up against him, shirtless. Ennis’s hand slid up his back almost of its own accord.

“If ya want it’ll help pass Saturday night if ya don’t get back... an I can ask Wayne what he wants.”

Ellery kissed the top of his head. “Ya know if ya really was interested in another man, I know it’s been a long time fer you... an I don’t want ta hold ya ta anythin if ya wanted ta try it out....”

Ennis looked up and stared at Ellery. “You got ta be kiddin. I go all this time thinkin I’m never gonna find someone ta feel good about again an you think I want ta go takin samples a boys like Wayne?”

Ellery shrugged. “I ain’t got no claim on ya, Ennis.”

“You sure as hell do, so can we drop it? I ain’t gonna get into playin around with boys. I found my man an I’m keepin im.”

Ellery found this declaration both soothing and worrying, somehow, as he drew Ennis to his feet and back to the bedroom, unbuckling his belt and slipping a long hand down his denims, giving him a meaningful squeeze along the length of his cock before he unzipped him and got him down on the bed.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 26, 2006, 01:33:43 pm
Good Afternoon, Leslie and re-readers!

I so often found myself wincing in sympathy while reading about Ellery's back problems in these earlier stories.  Ellery was so anxious to please and satisfy Ennis!  This little passage from Chapter 3 made me feel a little better:

“C’mon darlin,” Ennis said, voice thick with drowsiness, as he pulled Ellery up from dozing between his thighs. “No more a those, lets get ya up...” and he rolled him onto his side, reaching down behind the bed for the stiff brace to fasten against the bottom of his spine.

“Don’t need it, Ennis, I’m okay.”

“Doctor’s orders, Ellery, you promised.” And Ellery sighed as he let his lover tend to him, so that tomorrow he could walk without hobbling to his airplane.


Awww - they really do need each other, don't they?

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 27, 2006, 01:02:24 am
Quote from: notBastet on December 24, 2006, 10:58:48 am
Hi guys,

I'm unable to chat or be online much from my holiday locale, but just wanted to wish everyone Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays!

Kelly
still missing you come back soon, dearie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 27, 2006, 08:47:55 am
Good morning re-readers...

Today, chapters 6 through 10:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/29420.html

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 27, 2006, 08:52:57 am
from Chapter 7:

“I wish I had somethin else ta say right now, but I gave him some things ta go on an I am gonna give em a few days once I get a picture. Can we get one from his momma, somethin recent?”

“His wife,” Ennis mumbled. “I can call his wife, or maybe you can, you’re the police. She’d send you a picture, might not talk ta me again.”

Ellery looked into his eyes then. “Sweetheart, it’s okay ta feel bad. I knew you would, ya don’t have ta hide it from me. But I do wish there is somethin I could do ta make ya feel better.”

Ennis cleared his throat, two new tears starting in the corner of his eyes. “There is.”

“Tell me.”

“Find the man who killed em. I know you can. Find em.”

Ellery nodded, wordless, wondering for the first time in his career if he warranted the confidence that lay behind his words.

“I will.”

Ennis relinquished his grip, as though remembering it at last, his hand moving up to Ellery’s shoulder, turning, and pulling him in, head on his shoulder. “Didn’t have a single good day since I got that post card, darlin, till you. Had a lot a good days since then... I want ta have good days again with you, lots of em.”

Ellery held onto him, feeling the trembling vulnerability that lay beneath the still exterior he showed to the world, then pulled back slightly, stroking the blond hairs behind his ears. “As many as ya want, sweetheart. Any way ya want.”


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 27, 2006, 09:02:23 am
From Chapter 8:

He pulled out his notepad with the number for Lureen Twist, briefly wondering what life was like for Ennis and Jack, living three states apart, both married with children, trying to hold on to one another with everything stacked against them... and a pang of sadness went through him as he dialed.


and later, same chapter:

“Ma’am, did you ask anyone ta do an autopsy?” Ellery pressed... she seemed, though shrill and agitated, someone who was steel-tempered, and he needed to get what he could while he had her on the phone.

“I was supposed ta ask? Don’t they just do that?”

“No ma’am, they didn’t. So you didn’t request it.”

“No course not. I was beside myself, it wasn’t somethin I thought a. I didn’t even know he was in Austin, I thought he was up in Wyomin mixin it up with his old huntin buddy shootin ducks or whatever the hell he did up there.”

“You mean Mr. Del Mar.”

“Yes that sounds like the name.”

“No, he didn’t know anything about this.”

“He is the one askin isn’t he?”

“Yes ma’am.”

“You tell Mr. Del Mar... oh never mind, what use is it now....”

“What’s that ma’am?” Ellery felt his pulse increase.

“You tell Mr. Del Mar... “ she sighed. “I am really sorry I didn’t get in touch, but I didn’t know how. I know he was close.”


and at the end of the chapter, Ellery is talking to Wes:

“I was sorta wonderin why Ennis seemed like such a broken hearted type. He’s too young fer that.”

“Well Wes, if it weren’t fer you keepin good ol boys off my back the last dozen years or so I might be a broken hearted queer with a sad tale same as him.”

“Just my job, Ellery. Bein decent doesn’t cost me anythin.”

Ellery smiled. “That’s what I like about you Wes.”


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 27, 2006, 09:09:54 am
Chapter 9, Wayne sees Ennis naked!

The youth nodded, as Ellery handed him a notepad and a pencil. Just then, Ennis came out of the bathroom, naked, rubbing his hair with a towel, into the living room, and stopped dead, staring at Wayne.

“Jesus God Ellery!” he muttered, wrapped the towel quickly around himself and storming into the bedroom.

“Another nail in my coffin today,” Ellery said softly. Wayne was grinning.

“Holy shit, Ellery... he is one hot lookin man without clothes,” Wayne exclaimed softly.


and later...


Wayne’s manner changed completely under the tongue-lashing. “Well I guess I caught you in a bad mood today,” he said softly, visibly hurt.

“Wayne, any day someone comes in the bar askin for Bill is a bad day. Any day my boss kicks me out from behind my desk an orders me to the doctor, is an even worse day. An any day you come knockin on my door an catch Ennis naked comin out a the shower is a fuckin shitstorm. You got that?”

“Yes Ellery.”

“Now get the hell outta here, an that is the last I want ta hear a you on the topic of Ennis.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 27, 2006, 11:57:12 am
Good Morning all,

The first paragraph of Chapter 6:

The victim. Despite his frustration with the lack of evidence, Ellery felt a small relief that the photographs did not show the damage that had been done to Jack Twist. He had steeled himself for autopsy photos, a detailed forensic report and the testimony for the coroner’s inquest, which he would have had to spend a good deal of time attempting to erase from his mind and never share with Ennis. But the shadowy, hunched figure was an enigma, the lack of an autopsy, inexcusable. To Ellery, this hunched figure in the black leather coat, lying still, his death a suspicious mystery, remained “the victim,” someone whose life had come to a sudden end on a lonely road in a town he was most likely just passing through.

I was relieved too.  All these passages dealing with the details of Jack's death are so hard to read, so heartbreaking.  To think about Jack lying there, to wonder and imagine what his last moments were like, all the unanswered questions - what an unbearable anguish for Ennis!  :(

Wayne seeing Ennis naked!  :o   Poor Ennis - he was so embarrassed - and poor Ellery - that just added to his bad day - but, yet, I couldn't help but laugh at Wayne's reaction!  He is always such a welcome comic relief! Gotta love him!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 09:09:03 am
Good morning! Chapters 11 to 15 today, and we start out with a very difficult chapter, "Powderkeg."

http://louisev.livejournal.com/30918.html


Ellery nodded, wanting to go to him, to touch him, reluctant now, after Ennis had accused him of seducing him. Caught between his own hurt feelings and the helpless grief of a man who was still teetering on the edge of striking out at the first thing that moved.

“Don’t come near me,” Ennis said, his voice low, warning, flinching at a subtle movement of his hand.

“I ain’t gonna. Not unless you say so.”

“You don’t understand what this is like,” he said, his voice thick as though with drunkenness, though he had only drunk the one shot before he went in the shower. It wasn’t drunkenness.

“I know,” he replied, nodding, keeping his hands still.

“Ya can’t talk me back inta bed an suck me off an make it all better, Ellery. It don’t work that way.”

“I understand,” he replied, trying to keep the hitch of alarm out of his voice.

“I gotta get outta here. I can’t stay here. I can’t see you right now. You understand?”

Ellery nodded, his throat suddenly dry.

“All I got... twenty years, all that’s left a him... one picture. One fuckin picture an ten pages an a stupid fuckin poem. That is all I got ta show, boy. How am I supposed ta go on that? How’m I supposed ta pick up an move in here pretty as you please an live a happy queer life, when all I got a him is a fuckin picture?”

Ellery had no answer, this time, his own eyes tearing up from the reflection of Ennis’s impotent pain, welling out from beneath the choked rage of his words.

“I ... I don’t know sweetheart...” he said softly.

“Don’t fuckin... call me ... that!” he shouted, the explosion that had threatened, finally emerging in one burst, and he moved toward him. Ellery backed away, still moving slow, and Ennis’s arm brushed him as he rushed through the kitchen door, and out. Moments later, he heard Ennis’s truck start up, and he went to the window to see the plume of dust as he drove off.

He walked slowly into the bedroom. Ennis took nothing with him... and on the middle of the bed lay Jack’s journal, the envelope from Lureen Twist, and the photo tucked in next to it, and as he wiped stinging tears from his eyes, Ellery breathed a shaking sigh of relief. It meant he would be back.


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 09:12:43 am
Chapter 12:


“But what Reynolds? Listen. I just fell on my ass in my living room an I really need to lie down right now. You know what ta ask these guys an if ya need help, ya call Joe Tooey an get him out there ta see em. What part of that is too tough, Reynolds?”

“Nothin, nothin Chief. I just wanted ta make sure it was all...”

“I got ta go Reynolds. I am expectin a call. Please don’t call back unless there’s a shootout at the bar or somethin okay?”

“Yes Chief.” Ellery felt a pang of embarrassment at the obvious hurt in Reynolds’ voice. He thought he had been doing the right thing to call. Ellery managed to slam the phone in its cradle with the last of his arm strength, and sank back against the sofa, feeling more miserable than he had in months.

Maybe Ennis would come back, stuff his clean clothes in his gunnysack, put his truck in gear an disappear in a cloud of dust, and never speak to him again. Go back to his mountain, the picture of a smiling Jack Twist in his pocket, and add it to the memorial he had made on the mountain. It had seemed to calm him, going there the first time. Maybe the picture was too much, and the fragile island of peace he had retreated to had vanished like an oasis in a desert of pain, and Ellery with it, offering nothing but the illusion of solace from a loss he could not name.

“You think too goddamn much Ellery,” he muttered to himself, burying his head into the cushion of the sofa. And despite the pain gnawing at his back, the alcohol in his body eventually won, and consciousness slipped away.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 09:18:24 am
Chapter 13:

Ennis bore him up easily, taking small steps, half dragging him into the living room, kicking the door shut behind him. “How did ya fall?”

Ellery squeezed his eyes shut. “Drunk.”

“Yeah, well. Knew that. Smart college egghead, drink an ya fall down, real smart,” he muttered. “I used ta think I was the stupid one a the two of us.”

“No, that’d be me,” Ellery said, gasping as his spine twisted going through the doorway, then letting out a ragged moan. “Stop! Stop stop ... just stay like this a minute, I got ta get my foot up.” And he took a deep, painful breath, and with it, brought his left foot up by will alone, because his muscles would not respond normally. He could hear Ennis’s breath near his ear, that warm presence that had comforted him from his own, lesser grief of having no one to touch or hold, and he shuddered slightly, his eyes stinging with tears. “Okay,” he said, his voice thick. “Let’s go.”

“You sure? I should just put you in the truck an take you to the emergency room.”

“No, Ennis. Please.”

“Why shouldn’t I Ellery? You are doin such a piss poor job a takin care a yerself an then ya get drunk an fall down...”

“Please, Ennis,” he choked back the word “sweetheart”, not daring to provoke him, feeling fragile and endangered, despite the strong arms helping him. He knew Ennis was still angry, still volatile, he could sense it in his body still, that need to strike at anything that threatened the fragile emotions that lingered right below the surface of his still features.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 09:19:02 am
More from Chapter 13:

He swallowed with difficulty, and said nothing this time. Ennis let him down onto his side, now skilled at the method, and rolled him onto his stomach, this time very cautiously.

“You said the orange pill,” he said, voice thick.

“Yeah. I need milk for it.”

Ennis left the room, returned with his Motrin and a small glass of milk. “Shit,” said Ellery softly. “I can’t take this. I’m already nauseous.”

“Didn’t ya eat?”

He shook his head.

“Goddammit,” Ennis growled, and pulled the sheet over him. “Eat first, take the pill, then I’ll rub yer back.”

“Thank you,” he said, voice soft.

“Stop sayin that too!” he tossed over his shoulder and went back in the kitchen. When he heard the banging of pots and pans once more, Ellery smiled through a sudden rush of tears. A man who is leaving doesn’t make dinner and give a massage before he goes, he told himself. He would find out soon enough.




L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 09:27:47 am
Chapter 14:

He nodded. “Jes like Wilson and Pete. Cause it’s my job, see. It’s the job I took on. There was no way I was gonna stop bein queer, so I just decided that I was gonna spend my time makin the world just a little better for my own kind.”

“An this is jes....”

“Tryin ta make life better for my own kind, Ennis.”

“I won’t hit ya if ya call me sweetheart again,” Ennis said, voice soft, and he looked away suddenly. “I’m jes... mad as hell.”


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 09:29:29 am
More from Chapter 14:

Ellery gave him a skeptical look. “Why, because ya wouldn’t see em in August?”

“Yeah.” Ennis hung his head. His diatribe finished, all that seemed left was the raw shreds of his regret. “Because I was mad about his boys.”

“Because you were human an because ya made a mistake.”

“Yeah, that was one fuckin big mistake.”

“A really stupid fuckin mistake. Kinda like havin a bad back an drinkin so much ya fall over an hurt yer back.”

Ennis smiled tightly. “Yeah. That stupid.”

“Then we’re both really fuckin stupid.”

Ennis looked back over at Ellery. “Ya got ta eat. Ya got ta take yer pill.”

“I know.” Ellery looked up at him once more. "Are you goin back to Riverton Ennis? Cause if you are I might as well just put this food down an get started on the throwin up.”

Ennis gazed at him for a long, quiet moment. “No. I was pissed when I said that.”

“Are you gonna finish that hamburger?”

Ennis looked down at his plate. “I should. I’m drunk too. An I got ta give somebody a backrub.”

“Yeah, ya do.” As if an unspoken agreement had been made, they both picked up their sandwiches and soon finished eating, and said little more for the rest of the night, and after Ennis had given Ellery a languid, slow massage, he leaned down and placed a soft kiss on his neck, the breath hissing out softly on his skin, making Ellery shiver.

“I don’t want ta be alone no more, darlin,” he whispered.

“Neither do I,” Ellery replied.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 09:31:30 am
Chapter 15:

Ennis stirred under the light touch against his face, murmuring softly… “yes, darlin,” he whispered, sighing, but not waking. Ellery lifted his hand, not wanting to wake him, to shatter the gentle, youthful peace that had settled on Ennis’s face, and he wondered, briefly, selfishly… is he dreaming of me? And realized sadly, that he probably was not. There would always be a man there between them. It was part of what made Ennis so desirable to Ellery – the fact that he had loved, and loved deeply, with every shred of his being, and it is also what pained him the most – Ellery was sure regardless of how long they spent together, he would never fully claim Ennis’s heart. That had already been taken.

A tear slipped from his eye and he wiped it away, impatient. Maudlin thoughts for when the alcohol wears off… it always happened. But Ellery was in love with Ennis, and the fight last night left him feeling ragged and vulnerable. Was it only a matter of time before he bolted out that door and did not return? He was, by turns, hardy yet oversensitive, strong, but explosive and easily angered. And Ellery had too sharp a tongue not to irritate him again, and soon. One time Ennis’s explosive emotions might prove stronger than the lure of Ellery’s companionship, and he wondered if he truly had any control over when the next test might occur. But placating him was not the answer, and the next time Ennis felt himself slip beneath the surface of his guilt about Jack, Ellery would have to respond better, even if it meant losing him. He owed him the truth, even if the truth meant an end to this relationship.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 09:34:25 am
Chapter 15, one of the famous last lines...

Ennis had called Wes first thing, interrupting his breakfast, and Wes told him to take off the day and he would book Ellery off work for the remainder of the week. At the clinic, Ennis pulled up to the door and got out, leaving Ellery in the passenger’s seat while he went in, and minutes later, an orderly came out with a gurney.

“Oh shit, not this,” Ellery said. “Can’t I walk in, wheelchair, something?”

“An maybe yer hip’s broke an we don’t know it Ellery. You haven’t seen what it looks like an I did.”

“My hip ain’t broke or I wouldn’t be able ta stand.” The orderly stood aside, waiting for them to finish their argument, and Ennis glared him into acquiescence. “Okay okay. Then help me up on it.”

The orderly spoke then, to Ennis. “You family?”

“He’s my momma, didn’t you figure that out son?” Ellery snapped.

That's all for today, re-readers!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on December 28, 2006, 10:07:05 am

Aargh.

This series of chapters was by far the hardest for me to read in the entire Saga.

Both of these beloved men were in so much pain, and the only way out of it was through it.

The following exchange is very important to me, for in it I could see the hope that Ennis and Ellery were going to be alright.

“Here,” Ennis said, and pressed the ice pack, cushioned in padding, against his low back.

“Oh Jesus god that’s cold.”

“Yeah, was in the freezer, darlin.”

Ellery glanced up quickly, and their eyes locked once again. “You called me...”

“I know. I don’t hate you, Ellery. I fixed you cream corn!” he held out the plate, and Ellery reached out a hand and took it, setting it down on the bed between his chest and the edge, then accepting a fork.

“So you did.”


Then the comic relief when Ellery said, "He's my momma. Didn't  you figure that out, son?" gave me the assurance that they would, indeed, work things out.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 10:17:39 am
Quote from: pastorfred on December 28, 2006, 10:07:05 am
Aargh.

This series of chapters was by far the hardest for me to read in the entire Saga.


I agree, Fred. These were very difficult chapters. And the anguish seemed to come up so suddenly. Of course there was Ellery's trip to Austin and Ennis seeing Jack's picture. Still, the last book ended with declarations of love and Ennis's decision to move to Laramie. And here we have Ellery wondering if it is all going down the drain. Fortunately, as you said, the little bit of comic relief gave me hope that things would work out.

I remember reading this back in May. By this point in the saga I was on the chapter-by-chapter update program. Waiting on these chapters was ripping me to shreds.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: pastorfred on December 28, 2006, 10:28:36 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 10:17:39 am

Waiting on these chapters was ripping me to shreds.


Heheh.

I remember that feeling well! By the time I was reading the Saga for the first time, it was July, and this part was complete. Louise was writing in the middle of the third book then. I caught up in about three days! During that time, I was barely able to keep up with the absolute necessities of life, eating, sleeping, and dog walking. :)

Reading the Laramie Saga became just as important as any of those.

Now think how many new readers have that same experience to look forward to!

This fic should come with a warning: "Highly addictive! Be sure to set aside a block of time for reading and little else!"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 10:37:08 am
Quote from: pastorfred on December 28, 2006, 10:28:36 am
Heheh.

I remember that feeling well! By the time I was reading the Saga for the first time, it was July, and this part was complete. Louise was writing in the middle of the third book then. I caught up in about three days! During that time, I was barely able to keep up with the absolute necessities of life, eating, sleeping, and dog walking. :)

Reading the Laramie Saga became just as important as any of those.

Now think how many new readers have that same experience to look forward to!

This fic should come with a warning: "Highly addictive! Be sure to set aside a block of time for reading and little else!"


Boy, isn't that the truth! I started reading on May 20th (don't ask me why I remember the date so clearly, I have no idea!) and "Taking Chances" was up to Chapter 74. I did a marathon read of that book and for the past 7 months have been on the daily update program.

Necessities of life? Lots of those went out the window with BBM....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 28, 2006, 12:04:25 pm
Good Morning -


Quote from: pastorfred on December 28, 2006, 10:07:05 am
Aargh.

This series of chapters was by far the hardest for me to read in the entire Saga.

Both of these beloved men were in so much pain, and the only way out of it was through it.

The following exchange is very important to me, for in it I could see the hope that Ennis and Ellery were going to be alright.

“Here,” Ennis said, and pressed the ice pack, cushioned in padding, against his low back.

“Oh Jesus god that’s cold.”

“Yeah, was in the freezer, darlin.”

Ellery glanced up quickly, and their eyes locked once again. “You called me...”

“I know. I don’t hate you, Ellery. I fixed you cream corn!” he held out the plate, and Ellery reached out a hand and took it, setting it down on the bed between his chest and the edge, then accepting a fork.

“So you did.”


Then the comic relief when Ellery said, "He's my momma. Didn't  you figure that out, son?" gave me the assurance that they would, indeed, work things out.



Yes - so true.  Hard to read is an understatement.  And what sweet relief it was to see that they were going to work their way through the pain together. 


Quote from: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 10:17:39 am
I remember reading this back in May. By this point in the saga I was on the chapter-by-chapter update program. Waiting on these chapters was ripping me to shreds.
Leslie

Yep - I wanted to just jump into the pages and make everything right!

One of the comments at LJ spoke of Ennis's "impotent rage" - what a perfect description.  When we feel so helpless and have so many strong emotions boiling inside us and don't know where to go with all of it - well, all those feelings have to find a release somehow.  I'm so grateful that Ellery understood this.

Kudos to Louise for handling these difficult, but necessary, chapters with such a deft hand. 

Thank you, Leslie, for the quotes and Thank you, pastorfred, for the thoughtful comments.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 12:58:00 pm
For no particular reason, I am posting this...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 12:58:57 pm
To reach 8700 posts! Yeah!

And if everyone reads this a few dozen times today, we'll hit 76,000 views, too!

Wowza!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 28, 2006, 01:26:17 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 12:58:57 pm
To reach 8700 posts! Yeah!

And if everyone reads this a few dozen times today, we'll hit 76,000 views, too!

Wowza!

L

Well - here's one more!  Looks like five more views will do it!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 02:05:42 pm
And we did it!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 29, 2006, 09:44:48 am
Good morning! Today, chapters 16 through 20.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/32257.html

In chapter 16, Ellery's geometry lesson:

Ennis managed to get Ellery to the bed without much difficulty, and propped him up with one powerful arm under his armpits while he undressed him. As his hand worked his zipper down, Ellery took in a breath, his cock stirring at the touch.

“I swear you are a horny sumbitch. Yer all black an blue an I touch ya an yer hard.”

“Yep, always was like that. Used ta get hard watchin Lance Wayland in geometry class too,” he said casually, trying to ignore the erection as Ennis slid his pants down. “To this day you draw a parallelogram on a chalkboard an I start sweatin.”

“A what?”

“Geometric figure, Ennis. Kinda like a rectangle only ya push it down a bit so its leanin over.”

“Oh. Never got ta geometry. That was sophomore stuff.”


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 29, 2006, 09:51:27 am
Ellery always cracks me up. From Chapter 17:

“The way you eat you shouldn’t be so skinny.”

“Nerves, Ennis,” Ellery said, feigning a trembling hand. “Need ta be calmed down by the arms of a big strong man.”

Ennis rolled his eyes. “You are so full a shit.”


and more, same chapter:

“The what?” he heard Ennis ask, then he drifted, dreaming about soft, warm kisses, thinking he could almost feel the silky hard length of Ennis’s cock sliding against his thigh, and he reached out a disoriented hand, moaning softly with pleasure, a cool, diffuse buzz making him feel like he was floating several feet above his body.

“Oh... sweetheart, just like that...” he slurred, unintelligibly, his lashes fluttering open once more, and he woke to see Ennis gazing at him, a line of worry between his molten brown eyes.

“Whut?”

“Nuthin,” he mumbled. “Jes... dreamin.”

“Dreamin a what?” For some reason, Ennis looked very unhappy.

He sighed, the lack of inhibition and the floating sensation making him feel surrounded by a solid cocoon of pleasure. “Dreamin about yer cock...” he sighed.

“Jesus Christ Ellery,” Ennis stood, abruptly, and grabbed his book, sitting down in the chair across from him. “We ain’t gonna play grabass with you high on them pills. I’ll sit here. An Wes came by with yer papers.”

“Good, good....” he said. “Come here, sweetheart, jes put yer arms around me till I go back to sleep.

“You got a hardon, I’ll come over there when you ain’t got a hardon anymore.”

Ellery sighed, a pang of disappointment going through him like a burst of low current electricity, but before he had a chance to answer, he had drifted off again, into another dream of soft whispering and sliding, entwined limbs.


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 29, 2006, 09:55:44 am
Chapter 18...I remember reading this the first time, and being so worried. It is so good to know that Ellery's fear did not come true!

Ellery nodded. This was not a time to tease. Ennis got up then, padded into the bathroom, and soon Ellery heard water running in the sink. He closed his eyes and wondered, was Ennis deciding whether to masturbate too? And then the water went off, Ennis came back in the room, moving stiffly, and Ellery watched as he grabbed his clothes and dressed, maneuvering his hard cock into his drawers and pulling on his boots. He knew that if both of them were weak, they might try to have sex now, frustrated by the separation of his injury, but Ennis was stronger than that, schooled, perhaps, in long years of artificial abstinence enforced by secrecy. Watching him go, hearing the small cough of the truck starting, he found himself wondering if he could ever have lived as Ennis did, going months between moments of holding his man, year upon year. I couldn’t do that, Ellery thought. He has a lot more will than I do.

He stretched out in the bed, hands touching that still-warm spot where Ennis’s body had lain against him, and he moved gradually into it, as if to absorb the warmth of his desire as well as his body, the smell of Ennis’s hair and skin clinging to his pillow like the smell of spring grass, with a tang coffee and cigars. “Oh god, Ennis… I love you… and I want you just as much as I love you… please, don’t leave me soon.” A painful thought came to him, that Ennis’s leaving was inevitable. It was simply a matter of whether it would be too soon for Ellery to accept it when it came.


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 29, 2006, 10:26:33 am
Good Morning All!

Thanks for the quotes, Leslie!  Great choices as always.  I'm hopping back to Chapter 16 - I love this little bit of conversation:

“Yeah you too,” Ennis grumbled. “Damn kid didn’t know what the hell he was doin,” he said under his breath, slamming the door after making sure Ellery was securely inside.

As he slid into the driver’s seat he caught the smirk on Ellery’s face. “Whut now?”

“Nobody can do it as well as you is that it?”

“Damn straight,” Ennis shot back, turning the key. As he pulled out he said “So how long you got ta stay in bed?”

“Rest a the week probly. Puts a dent in my love life, that’s fer sure.”

“He told ya no horseback ridin right?”

Ellery leaned his head back carefully and glared.

“That means no Elleryback ridin see…” Ennis said acidly.

“Yeah I get the point.”

“I sure as hell hope so.”

“Don’t mean I can’t –“

“Yeah, it does,” Ennis snapped, cutting him off, keeping his eyes fixed on the road.

“You don’t even know what I was gonna say.”

“Yeah I do. ‘Don’t mean I can’t suck yer dick’ an it sure as hell does, so we’re gonna go home, I’m gonna put ya ta bed, I’m gonna get that nice little story about Ten Little Indians an wonder where the fuck the ten little Indians are gonna pop up. I’m already halfway through.”

“There ain’t none,” Ellery replied, voice betraying his unhappiness. “You should read ‘Death Comes as the End’, that one is set in ancient Egypt an you will never find out who done it till after he’s already wrapped up as a mummy.”

“Don’t give the fuckin plot away Ellery,” he groused, but the tone of their argument had lightened considerably. Ellery wasn’t permanently injured, and his fall was mostly bruising and inflammation. A temporary setback which might prove an effective warning: if he heeded it.

Elleryback riding!  :laugh: :laugh:  Ennis's favorite sport!  Ellery is usually the one with the wisecracks, but Ennis is funny, too!!  And I love how he knew exactly what Ellery was going to say about Ellery's own favorite activity!   :laugh: 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 29, 2006, 01:39:22 pm
Elleryback riding!

I had forgotten I wrote that!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 29, 2006, 02:09:04 pm
Quote from: louisev on December 29, 2006, 01:39:22 pm
Elleryback riding!

I had forgotten I wrote that!

Yes, we all loved the Elleryback riding. Thanks for sharing that quote, Marie! And thanks for writing it in the first place, Louise!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 29, 2006, 02:55:58 pm
from chapter 19 Slower

He sat up, chewing on cold biscuits and scrambled eggs, and leafed through some more of his mystery collection to find other things that Ennis might enjoy… was Ennis more of a Miss Marple type or a Hercule Poirot… he somehow could not imagine Ennis enjoying the affectations of the Belgian detective and his tiny moustache and little grey cells


This made me smile. Ennis and the belgian detective? I think Ellery was right about that.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/poirot3.png)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 30, 2006, 04:01:38 am
that's him!  The Leetle Belgian Detective!  I need to find out when he came on American TV, because it would be a riot to put David Suchet on one of those Lionheart productions they aired on public TV in the 1980's (I know, because I watched them!!!) as Poirot!

heheheh.  I think Ennis would have a fit  "Man those Belgians talk funny, Ellery.  Can't hardly understand em."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 30, 2006, 09:47:30 am
Happy Saturday, everyone. Today's re-read...Chapters 21 to 25.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/33546.html

In chapter 21, Ennis discovers the toys in the bottom drawer of the nightstand...

“You know what I want first…” Ellery replied, his lids half closed, his heart hammering in his chest. He hadn’t expected this at all, and Ennis taking the lead sexually was at least as arousing as the prospect of whatever sex awaited him.

“Then yer gonna get it,” He said, leaving the basket covered and warm, he came over to the bed, unbuttoning his shirt and stripping it off, then sat down, and began to rummage through the drawer of the nightstand on Ellery’s side of the bed. “You got some … toys down here I saw the other day…” he said, keeping an eye on Ellery’s face, which was now flushed, and he moved one hand down his arm as the other felt in a drawer. “One of em’s big an black an the other is small an thick around, which one you want inside a you?”

Ellery let out a soft gasp before he replied. “The… black… one…” he said. “It’s…”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 30, 2006, 09:55:22 am
In chapter 22, I found my very first comment to Louise on her LJ.  I remember what provoked it...this little exchange:

Ennis made a small, embarrassed smile. “I... tied his hands with the lariat an dragged em back in the river an bent em right over an fucked em like that.”

“No shit.”

“He wasn’t touchin his cock, I’ll tell ya that much.”

“Jesus Ennis, when you say no you mean no.”

“Damn straight darlin. Remember it.” His voice was low, a little hushed. “I ain’t never told no one that. What do you think that makes me, Ellery?”

“It makes you a dom, Ennis. An I think it’s one of the things I like best about you.”

Ennis looked down at Ellery, his eyes resting on the bulge in his denims. “I guess ya do.”

Ellery looked over at him, eyes glistening. “I... really do. You know it just cuts right to the quick when you put your mouth up ta my ear an tell me how its gonna be, how yer gonna fuck me, it sends me right up. I think I came harder last night than any a the other times you fucked me....” he thought for a moment, plucking at his bottom lip. “Cept maybe burned biscuit day.”

Ennis laughed softly, his face flushed with embarrassment. “Dom, huh, that’s what they call it. So I ain’t just queer I’m a dom queer. Sounds like somethin ya go ta hell for.”

“Not in my religion, sweetheart. Ta me it sounds like sheer heaven.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 30, 2006, 10:00:18 am
From Chapter 23:

“Shit, Ennis. Now that is a story.”

Ennis nodded, contemplative. “Got a cigar?”

Ellery pulled one out, handed it over, and Ennis got it lit, puffing for a few moments, then handed it back. “Jes think about how it all got started, makes me ache for em. I loved that boy. We went at it every day, every night. Couldn’t get enough.. there weren’t ever enough.” He glanced over at Ellery. “Kinda like with you.”

Ellery smiled faintly, a faint blush passing over his face.

“Yer like em that way. Like ya get the need on ya an give that look, you know that look. That’s what drove me nuts that night at the Rose Hotel ya know. I turn around… an you got this look on yer face like yer gonna break apart if I don’t touch ya. So I had ta….touch ya.”

Ellery leaned forward, handing him back the cigar, his long fingers stroking the back of his hand as he did, a sober, passionate look on his face. “You are one sexy man Ennis, an the fact you don’t know you are makes you about a hundred percent more sexy.”

“Jest don’t call me Buttercup,” he muttered, embarrassed.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 30, 2006, 10:10:34 am
From Chapter 25:

“Lemme ask ya somethin else, Ennis. You feel like I seduced you?”

“Like you what?”

“Like I dragged you inta this, put the make on ya an ya couldn’t say no to it.”

“I was the one who put yer hand on my cock Ellery. If you recall the hotel.”

“Yeah but it’s a bigger question than that. I made it real plain, an I flirted with you hard ta get yer attention.”

“Yeah an steak fer dinner an all that. I was there.” Ennis took a long, slow breath, let it out, slid his hands down Ellery’s spine close to the bone, making a feather light touch over the bruised hip and below, digging in with his thumbs to the meat of his ass as he moved further south.

“So… do you think I seduced ya?”

“No. I told you, I was mad. Not mad at you. Mad at me for bein such a dumbass an thinking how different I coulda made it fer Jack… somethin I could do different so he wouldn’t end up dead in Austin at the end of a dark road.”

“Anyone who has ever lost someone they loved looks back and regrets every harsh word, Ennis. If he came down with cancer an died slowly over five years, an you knew he was dyin, you woulda got a chance ta make peace with em. Yer only choice now is ta make peace with his ghost. It ain’t about how bad ya did with em. There ain’t a queer man alive who hasn’t had to hide. Did ya hide too much? Maybe. Maybe not. Did ya cut off the chance of a good life together because ya had to or were ya just not willin ta take a chance? Well how the hell could you possibly know that? All you knew was ranchin an goin through ta ninth grade, no one ever sent you the Handbook a Queer Survival ta study before ya went up sheepherdin.”

“True,” Ennis said quietly.

“So we’re okay on that? One a these days ya got ta lay down yer guilt over this. If it’s at Jack’s grave, that’ll have ta be good enough for ya. Feelin guilty doesn’t make him rest easier in his grave.”

“I know.” Ennis poured more oil, moved down, extended the massage to the slender thighs.

“Oh god that feels good sweetheart, I am in heaven.”

“That’s where I want ya ta be, Ellery. I do love ya. I am sorry for all the hurtful things I said. Forget em, okay?”

“Okay."

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 30, 2006, 01:24:49 pm
Happy Saturday to you too, Leslie - and all you re-readers out there!

A lot of significant developments in these chapters, not the least of which is the toy drawer. Woo Hoo!!!  :laugh:

In Chapter 23, I love that Ellery wants to hear about how Jack and Ennis met:

Ennis shrugged. “Well like what… what’d you want ta know?”

“Well, how ya got to know em… how it happened, I guess. If he was goin down an pickin up guys. Everyone’s got a different way. An judgin from the way you act in the Red Stallion it’d be hard ta imagine him cutting much ice comin up to ya an buyin ya a beer an callin ya ‘Buttercup’ if ya get my meanin.”

“It wasn’t like that Ellery,” Ennis said, setting down the Agatha Christie, now forgotten. “It was more like… well, we was alone up there, with a thousand sheep. An it was really fuckin lonely I tell ya. Specially when one of us was up on the mountain an the other one was back in camp. So when we got tagether at breakfast an dinner it was like… either one of us would say anythin, just to hear the other one talk. How many coyotes there was, how well we slept, how bad the beans are… anythin. He could talk, too, talked about rodeoin, how he rode the bulls, his longest rides, what it was like first time he won… I could listen ta that boy fer hours, cause he made the stupidest things sound … interestin. Maybe it’s because it was so lonely there, I dunno. An every time I had ta go up, after, it got harder an harder ta go, because I just wanted ta sit with em, just the two of us, just… bein together, just.. .talkin.

“I guess… he jest made me happy, bein with me an telling me stuff, an listenin, askin me about growin up, about my folks… no one ever asked me nothin about me before. I’m not the talkative type… well I wasn’t. Not then. Not much better now, but it was worse before Jack I’ll tell ya.”

That is just so touching - and a really healthy development for Ennis to be able to talk about Jack. 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 30, 2006, 07:31:28 pm
Here's another quote from Chapter 25 that just gives me goosebumps....

“Well, no,” Ennis blushed then, as he did now, his hand moving, gentling the man in his arms as if he were a nervous colt, feeling the tremble in Ellery’s muscles as he responded to the touch, as ever, with pleasure… with arousal.

“Ya want me ta rub yer back?”

“Yeah… that’d be great…” Ellery rolled onto his stomach, adjusting his cock, which was stirring slightly from the arousal of his touch, his smell, and he sighed languidly.

“I like ta touch ya, darlin, yer so white an smooth…” Ennis ran a hand up to the shoulder and back down, cupping his ass, rubbing gently, “you got such a soft ass…”

“Mmmm…. “ came the reply, another shiver of pleasure, and Ennis reached back behind him for the massage oil, rubbing it between his hands before laying them against the warm flesh of his back.

“Glad yer getting better. Shit I was worried.” He began his massage routine, then, hoisting himself up and straddling the narrow hips, his soft cock brushing lightly against the flare of his ass as he established a languid rhythm.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 09:48:09 am
Good morning, re-readers...

Chapters 26-30 today.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/34855.html

As luck would have it, Wayne arrived early, just as Ennis had finished the lawn and was showering to cool down, and Ellery groaned as he heard the bell, limping visibly as he went to the front door. “Wayne, come round the back, okay? I’m sippin lemonade on my patio.”

“Why can’t I just come through?”

“Because I said so,” he said, smiling persistently, and closed the door on him. Then he went to the bathroom, knocked briefly on the closed door and then stuck his head in. “Wayne got here early. I didn’t let em in, he’s on the patio. You might want ta have a towel on in case he gets by the sanitary cordon I set up on the patio.”

“Dammit Ellery.”

“I told em ta come at noon. I think he did it on purpose.”

“I will slap em, Ellery. Just so ya know.”

“I know, I know.” Ellery closed the door, shaking his head, wondering what it was about Wayne that wound Ennis up so much, and he hoped, for Ennis’s sake, it wasn’t attraction. He limped back out to the patio where Wayne stood, looking at the birdfeeder.


Sanitary cordon? LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 09:55:30 am
From Chapter 27:

“I guess... ya know... if I think back...” Ennis said, voice soft, ruminating ...”I guess I said a few kind words. Wasn’t like he didn’t know I cared for em.”

Ellery thought quickly as he tried to consider what he was saying and then it dawned on him. “Oh yeah, like what?”

“Well like one time, I was jest thinkin, rubbin you like this made me think a times he was hurt an I rubbed his shoulder... an I told em he was my darlin an that... so ... I guess I did let em know. Didn’t say the actual words, but... I did let em know some things. He knew I cared I think.”

“See? I love you isn’t some magic word. Some men never say that, even straight men, to their own wives cause they are so close mouthed. Maybe the wife wants ta hear it, but she married a close mouthed man cause that is what she paid for. An like you say, you weren’t anywhere near as gabby then as you are now for asample,” Ellery chuckled. “But boy you have some really nice hands, I got ta tell ya."

“All a that handlin foals an calves Ellery. Yer all bony an delicate like a newborn foal, so I just handle ya the same way,” he laughed softly.

“Yeah, ya get naked an sit on their ass with yer cock rubbin against em when ya birth em?” Ellery said slyly, turning his head to get a peek at Ennis’s face.

“Well what da you think, Chief Deputy? Yer boss’d have me behind bars if I did my job that way.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 31, 2006, 10:16:28 am
Good Morning Leslie and Re-Readers!  I hope everyone has a safe and Happy New Year's Eve and and that 2007 brings peace and happiness to all of you!

We're on the same wavelength this morning, Leslie.  I was just about to quote that same passage from Chapter 27 - Ennis continuing his healing process with memories of Jack. 

From Chapter 28:

“I ain’t gonna live here free.”

“All right then… gimme a hundred bucks a month. Is that too little?”

“Well, no.”

“That pays the gas, electric, an water and then some.”

“What about phone?” Ennis was still deeply uneasy.

“Come on sweetheart. Ain’t like we’re roommates dividin up the chores. If you knew what I made just from receipts at the Red Stallion we wouldn’t be havin this damn conversation. An I didn’t earn a lick a that inheritance money. So what’s fair about that?”

“There’s a point. But ya got ta put up with Wayne.”

“Tell you what. You feel bad about bein a freeloader? Okay, then you can do half a shift Saturday’s at the Stallion when it’s busy there an keep an eye on Wayne ta make sure he’s keeping up his promise.”

Ennis made a face.

“That’s the deal. Hundred dollars a month here an four hours Saturday nights.”

“Okay then, sounds fair enough.”

“That way we can still have a little fun on Saturdays even if you are workin.”



When I first read this, I was a little surprised that Ellery would want Ennis and he to be apart (even for four hours) on Saturday night.  But, of course, Ellery is a very smart man.  I realized that he knew that working at the bar, even once a week, would be a very good thing for Ennis - he needs to learn to accept himself and like himself as a gay man. 

Thanks, Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 10:21:47 am
And another insightful quote from Chapter 28:

“Birthday card? Don’t tell me its yer birthday an you didn’t say nothing?”

“Well, its in a few days yet,” he defended, rereading the card, his lips moving slightly as he did.

“Yeah like what day?”

“Fifth a July.”

“An here we’re both gonna be away… I got the PI license.” Ellery held up the paper embossed with the official seal of the State of Texas. “We should celebrate before we both take off outta here.”

Ennis peered at Ellery as he flopped down in the recliner, his usual spot since Ellery was usually stretched out on the sofa by the time he got home. “An celebratin is just another metaphor for…”

Ellery smiled primly. “I didn’t say that. I was thinking maybe before we started gettin busy in the bedroom we could go stop in an spy on Wayne for a while ta find out how he’s doin with his new manners, then go back to the Rose Hotel fer a steak dinner… ya know that T-bone that just falls right off the bone…”

“Yeah, how could I ferget. You don’t think they’ll get suspicious down there?”

“Get suspicious that we like their steak? I think they already figured it out Ennis.”

“No, I mean… oh fuck it never mind.” Ennis’s face colored with a stormy, disgruntled look.

“I know what you meant, but no I think unless we started up playin grab ass an me sittin on yer lap in the dinin room I don’t think anyone’s sittin there pointin at us an announcing us queer.”

“I don’t want ta go paradin around, Ellery.”

“We ain’t been there for a month Ennis. That is hardly paradin.”


Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 10:30:39 am
Chapter 29:

It seemed like an hour before Ennis put his napkin on the table and said “Ready ta go?” because Ellery was far more than ready, his racing pulse had achieved a sort of staggered rhythm which stepped up to a tangible ache in his chest at his words.

“Yep,” he replied, throat dry.

“Then come on boy, we got a little business ta do,” he said.

“Business is it?”

“Ya might say,” Ennis led the way, and the purposeful stride made Ellery suddenly aware that he had been teasing him, drawing out the time, making him wait, subtly watching him, but once in motion could not restrain that barely-detectable impatience he perceived in his walk.

He no longer needed help to get into the El Camino, and Ennis took the wheel, as per their new routine, and said nothing as he drove them back to the house. They had managed to duck into the Red Stallion while Wayne was busy in the basement and Lauren, the junior bartender, was serving. Ellery had recognized one of the sheriff’s plainclothesmen drinking alone by the window and let his eyes move past him, and they did not stay.

Ellery took out his key at the front door, and as he turned it in the lock he felt a hand on his good hip, resting lightly. “Ya got anythin particular in mind tonight darlin?” Ennis said, voice low, near his ear, and he felt Ennis’s fingers stroking the edge of his belt as if to check to see if there was an easy way in.

“Yeah, lotsa things in mind…” he turned the doorhandle and stepped in, reluctantly away from that exploring hand, and Ennis followed him, too close, breath audible, and closed the door behind them, not turning on the light, even though dusk had fallen.

“Oh yeah like whut?” Ennis said, voice still, probing, that hand returning to where it was before, resting where his belt hitched his denims over the sharp edge of his hipbone, moving just slightly, hypnotically, as if he were considering a next move in a game of chess.

“Oh… maybe some suckin cock… “ he replied, turning his head to look at Ennis’s face, flushed in the half light. “An then maybe some a that Elleryback ridin we ain’t had in a while….”

“Is that so…” Ennis replied, as if considering a dessert on a delicious menu.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 10:33:23 am
And from the end of Chapter 29:

“Ah god, fuck me sweetheart...” Ellery sighed, defeated by Ennis’s patience, his head lolling forward as he knelt as though in prayer, surrendering, that surrender betrayed by the greedy pulse of his hole as it grasped at him, pulling his fingers in... and he pulled out suddenly, his hips rolled up and slapped against him, and he took him in a single stroke, not sure whether the whimper he heard then was his own or not, his hands pressed down on his back, making his ass tilt up slightly, and he buried himself again, pausing, as a trickle of sweat splashed on Ellery’s back... and from that moment, he forgot his patience and all control, if only he could keep his hands away from those bruises all would be fine. The floor shook with the violence of his thrusts, the air with a shattering cry that was all pleasure, and he felt himself fall, as he had done that first time, and that second time... all the way into the valley where lovers embraced and never pulled away, spent in one another, and completely fulfilled. Because that is what lovers do.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 10:39:58 am
Chapter 30:

They parted on a friendly note – it could not have been more different from his last departure, and he pointed the truck north, closer to layin Jack to rest where he wanted to be. As he drove, he found himself weeping from time to time, and at other times, tense with a pleasurable fantasy of their romps in the wilderness, always ending the same way, in the hard clinch of mutual need and desire, panting and moaning into each other’s mouths, unable to break away until they were both sated.

He never thought he would ever feel that kind of pleasure again.... yet here it was. And every time he felt that blissful release, the hot surge of orgasm blasting through him like lightning striking old wood and searing it to splinters... a part of him would remember that same unearthly pleasure he felt with Jack in his arms, moaning against him and with him... how could he have lived without it so long, how could have gone so long without holding him? Tears stained his cheeks, almost unfelt, as he puzzled through this mystery of how he had locked himself away, in a kind of cold storage, every time he watched Jack’s truck drive away, because this time, when he saw Ellery walk through the sliding glass door to meet his airplane, he felt that same feeling of frozenness descend upon him, like the door of a tomb shutting, uncertain of when it would open again, or for how long.

Like a series of small deaths, that he endured, to stave off the death he could not avoid, did not avoid. He hadn’t saved himself, or Jack, anything with this unendurable abstinence – he had only proven that he was able to still breathe in cold storage, without the touch he needed like he needed air and food. What did that prove? Perhaps that he was less than human, that he was beyond stoicism, and more suitable to a hermit’s life all that time... but was he, really? This time, when he felt the doors close, his eyes straining along the horizon for the lights that were the tiny Beech turboprop taking to the skies, heading for Denver on his errand, he felt a dread of death like he had never felt it when Jack had driven away those times... he felt his knees shake and give, and he held on to the door of the truck, feeling himself caving in, unable to endure this separation as he had those other, just as unendurable separations. What was he, that he could do that to Jack, over and over, that curt goodbye, the supercilious feeling of superiority that he could stand it, for however long it took, until he took him in his arms again?

I was lyin then. It was all a big lie. I couldn’t stand it any more than he could... I just died a little each time. This time, he told himself, it would be different. This time, when he hiked back down Brokeback, he would be able to tell Jack the next time he would be here, flowers in hand, to apologize once more for what he thought then could not be helped. That he couldn’t stand it anymore than Jack could. And he couldn’t stand it any better now.



L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 31, 2006, 10:43:33 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 10:33:23 am
And from the end of Chapter 29:

“Ah god, fuck me sweetheart...” Ellery sighed, defeated by Ennis’s patience, his head lolling forward as he knelt as though in prayer, surrendering, that surrender betrayed by the greedy pulse of his hole as it grasped at him, pulling his fingers in... and he pulled out suddenly, his hips rolled up and slapped against him, and he took him in a single stroke, not sure whether the whimper he heard then was his own or not, his hands pressed down on his back, making his ass tilt up slightly, and he buried himself again, pausing, as a trickle of sweat splashed on Ellery’s back... and from that moment, he forgot his patience and all control, if only he could keep his hands away from those bruises all would be fine. The floor shook with the violence of his thrusts, the air with a shattering cry that was all pleasure, and he felt himself fall, as he had done that first time, and that second time... all the way into the valley where lovers embraced and never pulled away, spent in one another, and completely fulfilled. Because that is what lovers do.


L


Damn!  So hot, sexy, sensuous, erotic and  . . . sublime all at once!   It takes a seriously gifted writer to accomplish that! 

Thanks for the quote, Leslie. 

Thanks for seriously gifted writing, Louise!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 31, 2006, 10:46:08 am
from chapter 30:

Junior took off her evening shift the day he arrived and baked him a birthday cake, and they celebrated his 42nd birthday, and briefly, he felt like an old man, until he blew out the candles and helped himself to chocolate ice cream, perversely, in the middle of eating it, reminded of the ice cream sundaes at the Rose Hotel when he celebrated with Ellery, and the passion that followed it, causing him to blush inexplicably.


very sweet, for a second he felt old until he thought of Ellery again, which made him blush. When you're in love like that, you can't be old.
 :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 10:48:01 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on December 31, 2006, 10:46:08 am
from chapter 30:

Junior took off her evening shift the day he arrived and baked him a birthday cake, and they celebrated his 42nd birthday, and briefly, he felt like an old man, until he blew out the candles and helped himself to chocolate ice cream, perversely, in the middle of eating it, reminded of the ice cream sundaes at the Rose Hotel when he celebrated with Ellery, and the passion that followed it, causing him to blush inexplicably.


very sweet, for a second he felt old until he thought of Ellery again, which made him blush. When you're in love like that, you can't be old.
 :)

So true...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on December 31, 2006, 10:51:13 am
This is one of my most favorite honest-Ellery moments... he's so laying it on the line, saying how scared he is, and how he would feel if Ennis left.  Not trying to be brave-cop anymore.

Quote from: MaineWriter on December 28, 2006, 09:29:29 am
More from Chapter 14:



“I know.” Ellery looked up at him once more. "Are you goin back to Riverton Ennis? Cause if you are I might as well just put this food down an get started on the throwin up.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 10:57:27 am
That's one of the things I am noticing much more in this book...just how vulnerable Ellery really feels and how he covers it up with his cockiness and bravado. He is so desparately in love and so worried that Ennis is going to bolt.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on December 31, 2006, 11:06:49 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 10:39:58 am
Chapter 30:

They parted on a friendly note – it could not have been more different from his last departure, and he pointed the truck north, closer to layin Jack to rest where he wanted to be. As he drove, he found himself weeping from time to time, and at other times, tense with a pleasurable fantasy of their romps in the wilderness, always ending the same way, in the hard clinch of mutual need and desire, panting and moaning into each other’s mouths, unable to break away until they were both sated.

He never thought he would ever feel that kind of pleasure again.... yet here it was. And every time he felt that blissful release, the hot surge of orgasm blasting through him like lightning striking old wood and searing it to splinters... a part of him would remember that same unearthly pleasure he felt with Jack in his arms, moaning against him and with him... how could he have lived without it so long, how could have gone so long without holding him? Tears stained his cheeks, almost unfelt, as he puzzled through this mystery of how he had locked himself away, in a kind of cold storage, every time he watched Jack’s truck drive away, because this time, when he saw Ellery walk through the sliding glass door to meet his airplane, he felt that same feeling of frozenness descend upon him, like the door of a tomb shutting, uncertain of when it would open again, or for how long.

Like a series of small deaths, that he endured, to stave off the death he could not avoid, did not avoid. He hadn’t saved himself, or Jack, anything with this unendurable abstinence – he had only proven that he was able to still breathe in cold storage, without the touch he needed like he needed air and food. What did that prove? Perhaps that he was less than human, that he was beyond stoicism, and more suitable to a hermit’s life all that time... but was he, really? This time, when he felt the doors close, his eyes straining along the horizon for the lights that were the tiny Beech turboprop taking to the skies, heading for Denver on his errand, he felt a dread of death like he had never felt it when Jack had driven away those times... he felt his knees shake and give, and he held on to the door of the truck, feeling himself caving in, unable to endure this separation as he had those other, just as unendurable separations. What was he, that he could do that to Jack, over and over, that curt goodbye, the supercilious feeling of superiority that he could stand it, for however long it took, until he took him in his arms again?

I was lyin then. It was all a big lie. I couldn’t stand it any more than he could... I just died a little each time. This time, he told himself, it would be different. This time, when he hiked back down Brokeback, he would be able to tell Jack the next time he would be here, flowers in hand, to apologize once more for what he thought then could not be helped. That he couldn’t stand it anymore than Jack could. And he couldn’t stand it any better now.



L

this is just beautiful. i have tears in my eyes reading this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on December 31, 2006, 11:30:11 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 10:57:27 am
That's one of the things I am noticing much more in this book...just how vulnerable Ellery really feels and how he covers it up with his cockiness and bravado. He is so desparately in love and so worried that Ennis is going to bolt.

L

Makes you want to jump into the story and give him a hug of reassurance, doesn't it?  (Cockiness and bravado as a cover for vulnerability . . . reminds me of a 22-year old sailorboy that I've come to love  :) ).

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on December 31, 2006, 11:31:22 am
Quote from: mariez on December 31, 2006, 11:30:11 am
Makes you want to jump into the story and give him a hug of reassurance, doesn't it?  (Cockiness and bravado as a cover for vulnerability . . . reminds me of a 22-year old sailorboy that I've come to love  :) ).

Thanks - Marie

Very, very true...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on December 31, 2006, 11:52:59 am
*waving hi to the busy busy rereaders!*  at least I know what I can do tonight when I finish updating "Home for the Holidays*.  I am at an internet cafe, but since I haven't finished unpacking I am going to scoot out of here soon.  I expect I will be back tomorrow... unless the internet cafe is closed.  If you don't see me, don't panic!

Wonderful quotes from "Looking for Answers", and even more wonderful commentary.

I will try to stop in again tomorrow and leave an update with a new chapter.  If I get too stir-crazy I might try playing my piano!!!  go figure!

Happy New Year, and for those who speak German,

Frohes Neues Jahr!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 12:36:25 pm
Good morning re-readers...

Happy New Year! I hope everyone had a safe and restful evening.

Today's assignment, chapters 31-35.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/36233.html

In chapter 31, these appear for the first time!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tejublueblutop.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 12:39:35 pm
Here's a picture of the Marriott in Austin

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/7518_6_b.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 12:45:41 pm
From Chapter 32:

Ennis shook his head, eyes gleaming with unshed tears. “No ma’am... an I still don’t know, he never... well. I saw em in May, I guess before he come up here... course... “ his breath seemed to be choking him, “ he wouldn’t tell me somethin like that...” Ennis’s eyes had blurred, his head was aching, and picked up his coffee, taking a long, slow sip.

Mrs. Twist put out a tentative hand, which brushed the edge of Ennis’s hand very lightly. “I’m real sorry... I thought maybe I was puttin yer mind at ease. I didn’t really think he had nobody else, cause sometime in July he called an said he was down in south Texas an had met up with a ranch liquidator who he was tryin ta get ta come up here an do an assessment a value or somethin before he threw himself into it, an that is when he’d make a decision whether ta break things off with his wife an come up here. That was his last call."

Ennis looked up from the black circle which reflected his pain-stricken eyes. “He was in south Texas you said? Meetin with someone?”

She nodded. “Gave his name too, I wrote it down somewhere. I supposed when he had that blowout on the road was on that trip.”

“Yes ma’am,” his voice was tight, and he felt as though he was about to strangle on the lump in his throat now. “If... you know who it was he was meetin.... that might be real important.”

She gave him a sharp glance. “Why do ya say so? I thought it was an accident he had.”

Ennis shook his head, feeling he weariness of his whole life pile up on him. “I don’t think so ma’am. I think... he was killed fer bein ... queer.” He gulped, went silent, eyes staring down at his coffee cup as though trying to find an answer in it.

“Then I guess I should be findin that name,” she said, voice hushed.

“Yes ma’am. It could be real important.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 12:58:24 pm
Chapter 33:

“You doin okay down there?”

“Yep. Miss you something awful though Ennis, I hope your gonna be back Friday an pick me up. I’ll be on the 10 p.m. arrival. I’d come back sooner but --“

“I wouldn’t be there sooner Ellery. I stayed over here an it’s about 6 hours ta Brokeback. I should already be gone.”

“Well you take care an be careful drivin that truck. I worry about you in it.”

“Don’t worry about me, only kinda truck I can drive is old, Ellery. See ya Friday.”

“I love you sweetheart.”

“Yeah. Me too.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 01:02:04 pm
And more from Chapter 33:

So Justin Worrell and Western States Ranch Liquidators were here in Austin two years ago. He just had to find out where they had gone since. He located Centerville Lane on a map and drove there, checking his watch. It was just shy of noon, and found himself knocking on the door of a small, neat rancher on the northwest side of Austin. To his surprise, a well dressed woman with a stylish brunette bouffant hairdo answered the door with the suspicious look reserved for salesmen. Ellery was still wearing his earring, but had changed into less daring clothes for daytime use. It didn’t really matter – the woman had only to see the earring and the color drained from her face.

“Can I help you?” she said, voice clipped.

“I was lookin for Justin Worrell. Does he still live here?”

“Who in the hell are you?” she said, voice wavering as though with hostility or fear.

“Friend of a friend, ma’am. The name is Cantrell.”

“He’s outta town like he usually is. An I’ll thank you to keep yer business where it belongs an don’t come sniffin round here anymore!”

He blinked. “Business?”

“He doesn’t have nothin ta do with you kinda boys no more, so leave him be!” she cried, her eyes already filling with tears as she stepped back and slammed the door in his face.

He stood on the stoop of the house before turning to go to his car, and as the initial shock of her reaction wore off, he raised a hand to the piercing and twiddled it between his fingers. “Hot damn. Bingo.”


L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 01:13:52 pm
Chapter 34:

He decided to wait until dawn to spread the ashes, then return down the mountain. He cooked himself some beans, a deliberate choice he made in memory of Jack, an invocation of their magical summer together. At first, it had seemed like a sentence of exile – the harsh rocky crags, the sudden weather shifts, the bone chilling cold at night, and the endless, inescapable stink of sheep creeping into everything, even their food. And all that changed, gradually at first, then all at once with the spark of their intimacy. And what lingered in his memory, was this sweetness... this magic.

He crawled into the tent when dark fell over the mountain, letting the fire die out, the urn lying next to him, and once again found himself in a one-sided conversation with his dead lover. “You always loved it out here, even when it was too cold for ya. Not so bad that summer, though... if it weren’t for the fuckin sheep.” He took a sip of whiskey from the bottle he had brought with him, another tribute, he supposed. Every time he and Jack met, they had whiskey with them, in later years, a handful of joints Jack brought with him and they shared, mostly when winding down after sex. “Haven’t smoked any weed since you been gone, how d’ya like that, hm?” he said, drifting, in a kind of a muzzy half-dream, and it seemed to him he saw Jack sitting up, pillow tucked under his arm, looking down at him.

“You ain’t changed a lick,” he said. “You ain’t never gonna grow old I don’t think,” he said, and Ennis looked up at him, thinking that was an odd thing to say.

“Well you can’t grow old cause yer dead.”

“True, that,” Jack replied, a distant look in his eyes.

“Listen ta me, Jack. What happened in Austin that night? Ellery’s down there rackin his brains to find this Worrell fella. Was he the one? Did ya make some kinda move on em an he hit ya on the head? I need ta know, Jack, it’s drivin me insane. If I’m gonna let ya rest here I got ta know the truth.”

“Ya got ta find out, Ennis. Ya got ta find out,” Jack replied, and Ennis jerked awake, looking around the tent, finding himself awake and alone.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 01:17:54 pm
And more from Chapter 34:

His voice broke halfway through the Psalm, but he kept on through the tears and the pain that welled up in his chest. When he finished, he opened the urn and let the ashes flutter out into the breeze, which carried them up and off, a small, insignificant cloud, like a puff of dust rising before a storm, and then dispersed. The last remains of Jack Twist. He set the urn in the shallow place he had dug for it next to where he had buried the letter, and covered it up with a hand trowel and his hands, dirtying them.

“Rest in peace, Jack. I will never forget you, as long as I live. An if I can, I will find out who did you in so you can have justice. Amen.” He knelt by the marker for half an hour until his weeping stopped, and he blew his nose with a handkerchief, a sad smile on his face. “I’ll be back soon, boy.”

Then he hoisted his backpack, and started back down the trail, feeling a sense of peace he had not had in many years.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 01, 2007, 01:43:00 pm
Good Morning and Happy New Year to all!

Great pictures, Leslie - thanks!

Jumping back to Chapter32 - I thought this was necessary for Ennis to hear, regardless of how uncomfortable it made him -

“Long way ta Brokeback from here,” she said in the pool of silence that followed. “You are sure welcome ta spend the night in Jack’s room. Seems right somehow.”

Ennis bowed his head slightly, letting out a breath. “I really appreciate that, ma’am.”

“Mr. Del Mar I know it ain’t a mother’s place ta pry into the lives a grown up men, but my Jack is gone now... an I don’t have ta keep up airs like John wanted. I know he wasn’t really attached to his wife, which is why he never mentioned her all that time, an never brought her or the boy up ta see us. Only person he ever cared ta mention ... was you. It don’t take no college degree to known what that means.”

No, it certainly doesn't, Mrs.Twist - just takes a mother who knows and loves her son.  But that does bring a thought to mind- smart and educated are not necessarily the same thing, are they?  Some very smart people are "uneducated" (in the traditional sense) and some very "educated" people ain't so smart! I always thought that Ennis is an example of that, and so is Mrs. Twist.

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 01, 2007, 01:58:35 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 01:13:52 pm
Chapter 34:

He decided to wait until dawn to spread the ashes, then return down the mountain. He cooked himself some beans, a deliberate choice he made in memory of Jack, an invocation of their magical summer together. At first, it had seemed like a sentence of exile – the harsh rocky crags, the sudden weather shifts, the bone chilling cold at night, and the endless, inescapable stink of sheep creeping into everything, even their food. And all that changed, gradually at first, then all at once with the spark of their intimacy. And what lingered in his memory, was this sweetness... this magic.

L


Quote from: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 01:17:54 pm
And more from Chapter 34:

His voice broke halfway through the Psalm, but he kept on through the tears and the pain that welled up in his chest. When he finished, he opened the urn and let the ashes flutter out into the breeze, which carried them up and off, a small, insignificant cloud, like a puff of dust rising before a storm, and then dispersed. The last remains of Jack Twist. He set the urn in the shallow place he had dug for it next to where he had buried the letter, and covered it up with a hand trowel and his hands, dirtying them.

“Rest in peace, Jack. I will never forget you, as long as I live. An if I can, I will find out who did you in so you can have justice. Amen.” He knelt by the marker for half an hour until his weeping stopped, and he blew his nose with a handkerchief, a sad smile on his face. “I’ll be back soon, boy.”

Then he hoisted his backpack, and started back down the trail, feeling a sense of peace he had not had in many years.


L


 :(  Awww. . . . Jack.   Sniff.  What beautiful, evocative writing.

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 01, 2007, 02:00:32 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 01, 2007, 01:43:00 pm
Good Morning and Happy New Year to all!

Great pictures, Leslie - thanks!

Jumping back to Chapter32 - I thought this was necessary for Ennis to hear, regardless of how uncomfortable it made him -

“Long way ta Brokeback from here,” she said in the pool of silence that followed. “You are sure welcome ta spend the night in Jack’s room. Seems right somehow.”

Ennis bowed his head slightly, letting out a breath. “I really appreciate that, ma’am.”

“Mr. Del Mar I know it ain’t a mother’s place ta pry into the lives a grown up men, but my Jack is gone now... an I don’t have ta keep up airs like John wanted. I know he wasn’t really attached to his wife, which is why he never mentioned her all that time, an never brought her or the boy up ta see us. Only person he ever cared ta mention ... was you. It don’t take no college degree to known what that means.”

No, it certainly doesn't, Mrs.Twist - just takes a mother who knows and loves her son.  But that does bring a thought to mind- smart and educated are not necessarily the same thing, are they?  Some very smart people are "uneducated" (in the traditional sense) and some very "educated" people ain't so smart! I always thought that Ennis is an example of that, and so is Mrs. Twist.

Thanks - Marie


so true...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on January 01, 2007, 02:00:55 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 01, 2007, 01:43:00 pm
Some very smart people are "uneducated" (in the traditional sense) and some very "educated" people ain't so smart!

true, that.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 02:03:55 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 01, 2007, 01:43:00 pm

No, it certainly doesn't, Mrs.Twist - just takes a mother who knows and loves her son.  But that does bring a thought to mind- smart and educated are not necessarily the same thing, are they?  Some very smart people are "uneducated" (in the traditional sense) and some very "educated" people ain't so smart! I always thought that Ennis is an example of that, and so is Mrs. Twist.

Thanks - Marie

Ennis absolutely is, Marie. I agree. And as the story goes on, this comes out more, and Ennis becomes a bit more assertive. In the first book, he makes reference to having only a ninth grade education and even says he is "as ignorant as Pete." But later, he is having a conversation on the patio...I think with Dupree, and they are talking about horses. Ennis states that even though he doesn't have much education, he's not stupid.

Ennis is very perceptive and aware. Having the love and support of Ellery helps him to believe in himself...which is a theme in my story, too. It seems to me that Ennis's biggest struggle is with his own self-imposed limitations, and his shyness. Having someone he trusts and loves seems to be key to getting over both of those hurdles.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 01, 2007, 02:26:00 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 02:03:55 pm

Ennis is very perceptive and aware. Having the love and support of Ellery helps him to believe in himself...which is a theme in my story, too. It seems to me that Ennis's biggest struggle is with his own self-imposed limitations, and his shyness. Having someone he trusts and loves seems to be key to getting over both of those hurdles.

L

YES!  Exactly.  What a joy to watch Ennis overcome those hurdles in both stories!

If I recall, you mentioned that Ennis's downtime imposed by his legbone seemed to bring out his philosophical and introspective nature - that was wonderful to see, also - his wise, experienced, and caring counsel to Jeremy.  What a truly good man Ennis is! 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on January 01, 2007, 02:28:07 pm
You know, we should form a "We Love Ennis" club...

lol
 ;)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 02:38:54 pm
Quote from: notBastet on January 01, 2007, 02:28:07 pm
You know, we should form a "We Love Ennis" club...

lol
 ;)

I have always loved Ennis and have always found him to be a more interesting and complex character than Jack (at least as portrayed by Heath and Jake in the movie).

Way back in the Oscar days (ie, last winter) I remember reading posts where people asserted that Jake should have been nominated for Best Actor, too. I disagreed then and I still disagree, having watched the movie many dozen more times since then. Jake did an excellent job, but it was all about supporting Heath...who brought Ennis completely to life, at least for me.

This is also what makes The Laramie Saga work for me. Ennis is a complex character and so is Ellery. The way Louise has brought them both to life...it just couldn't be more interesting, now could it?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 01, 2007, 02:53:08 pm
Quote from: notBastet on January 01, 2007, 02:28:07 pm
You know, we should form a "We Love Ennis" club...

lol
 ;)

Sign me up!  And since it was your idea - you can be President!  :)

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 02:38:54 pm

This is also what makes The Laramie Saga work for me. Ennis is a complex character and so is Ellery. The way Louise has brought them both to life...it just couldn't be more interesting, now could it?

L

A wonderful insight as to why The Laramie Saga (and now the short stories) have so many of us completely captivated. 

Louise, you have us under your spell - you know that don't you?   ;D

Thanks - Marie

P.S. - Hey, look - I passed 100 posts!   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on January 01, 2007, 02:56:32 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 02:38:54 pm
Ennis is a complex character and so is Ellery. The way Louise has brought them both to life...it just couldn't be more interesting, now could it?

L

Certainly not!

(well, I do hesistate a little to say that, as Louise always seems to have something new and exciting up her sleeve...)
 ;)

Marie - congrats on passing 100 posts!

Me, president of the We Love Ennis fan club?  I best decline... I can only imagine how much trouble I'd get in to...  How bout you be prez and I get to be the first card-carrying member?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: notBastet on January 01, 2007, 03:01:36 pm
In honor of my 600th post...

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/87b4bc50.jpg)

And, must give tribute to what brought me here in the first place...

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/LSavatar.gif)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 01, 2007, 03:14:24 pm
Quote from: notBastet on January 01, 2007, 03:01:36 pm
In honor of my 600th post...

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/87b4bc50.jpg)

And, must give tribute to what brought me here in the first place...

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/alleycats77/LSavatar.gif)

Congrats to you, too!  As the guys in Laramie would say - Woo Wee!  Is Ennis at work at the Brown Horse Ranch?   That should help drum up business!   :laugh:

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 03:21:31 pm
Well, since I am already President of the Ennis and Ellery fan club, I can't be taking on any more presidential duties right now. LOL

Marie, congrats...just 900 to go til you make it to the 1000 posts clubs.

Kellly, equal congrats...400 for you to reach 1000.

And I have my eye on 4000. I keep asking myself, is this something I should be proud of? LOL.

And this thread just passed 77,000 views...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 01, 2007, 08:55:52 pm
I am sorry I did not have time to respond to your individual posts... I had to go down for another nap after the internet quit on me, and once I woke up it took 3 hours to get back online!  now that I am on I don't want to log out!!!  you know how it is.

I am hoping tomorrow will bring me more stable internet!

I just finished reading a number of comments about some other fics and about the "fairness" of Jack and Ennis, and how we feel about them as characters.  I think it is fair to say that many of us identify with one character more than the other, and this "colors" our perceptions of them.  However, that having been said, the BBM original story gives us more of Ennis's perspective than anyone's, and it is fair to say that BBM is Ennis's tale, beginning and ending with him.  And I meant the Laramie Saga, at least the first two books of it, to also be Ennis's tale.  And yes, you can tell I love Ennis deeply, probably because I am sort of a "Jack" character.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on January 02, 2007, 12:16:06 am
Happy New Year everyone!  :)

I am back home again and dropped by here to see what you've all been up to.

Kell - Happy 600th!!!!!!

Leslie - Tell Hannah: "Good job on the banner!"  ;)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on January 02, 2007, 07:02:11 am
Happy New Year, Milli and everybody else!  :-*

LOVE that pic, Kelly  :)

Your banner is beautiful, Leslie  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 09:20:15 am
Good morning re-readers,

Today we have chapters 36 to 40:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/37564.html

from chp 36:

Ennis wrung his hands, then raised his eyes. They were still red rimmed from the weeping of the morning, but he still felt that inner peace, that rightness that comes from doing the right thing many years later. But Alma could see the sadness there, and she reached out a fluttering hand. Out of long habit, he did not pull away from it, the soft warmth of her hand somehow encouraging speech. “Done a lot a thinkin, Alma, after I moved outta Junior’s. She is a good girl, an she loves you dearly. She tol me then how mad she was at how unhappy I made you, all those years.... when I told her about Jack.”

Alma shook her head, denying. “Ennis I swear I never talked to her about that...”

“I know, but she ain’t a stupid girl, Alma. An you couldn’t be blamed fer bein upset an cryin about all those times I left you. An I got ta put it right. You know why things went so wrong for me a couple years back....”

She shook her head again, soft eyes growing moist with pity. “Ennis it wasn’t my concern but it pained me... wasn’t my place ta ask. I always cared fer you, you know that...”

“I know, I know.” He let her hand pat his, his wrist and lower arm, and forced himself not to pull away from that selflessness, that love which somehow, despite all he had done to her, would not die... if it made her feel better to comfort him, then he could endure it. “It’s because a Jack... he got killed sometime in the summer, down in Texas.”

She raised a fist to her mouth, and he could not tell if the pain in her eyes was because of the mention of Jack or because of her sympathy for his unknown loss. “I didn’t know,” she whispered. “I’m so sorry Ennis... I know you... “

“I cared fer em,” he said, skirting around. “That’s why things went so bad fer me. Didn’t think I could go on. An... now, his momma let me spread his ashes, an that’s what I was doin up north this week, an that is done. But I got a lot a regrets, Alma. A lot a regrets about you, an Junior is right. You done a lot a weepin cause a me and I never gave it a thought then, couldn’t give it a thought then. An that just wasn’t right.”

“Ennis –“ the choke in her voice made him feel a desperate urge to rise and bolt. He could never endure her tears, they made it seem as though she were about to break apart, and all his fault, always, his fault. “It’s gone by now. I got a new life, Bill’s been real good ta me, an Bill Jr is just a blessin. None a that coulda happened without the other.”

So why are you cryin? he wanted to shout in her face, and he prayed, silently, for her to stop before his own heart broke. “Alma...” his voice cracked, tears appearing at the edges of his eyes, and she stared.

“Ennis I ain’t never seen you cry before,” she said, forgetting her own easy tears, dabbing with the edge of the rag at her face, then reaching over and touching his with that soft hand, that seemed to have no animosity left toward him, no regret such as he held within him.

“Well I do sometimes,” he said, sniffling, raising a hand to bat hers away, but she had retreated.

“That’s good Ennis. Shows ya developed a human side. You don’t need ta feel no regrets fer me, I got a nice family now, an my children an my husband all love me. It’s you you should be worryin over now Ennis. Yer work goin all right?”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 09:24:13 am
Chapter 37:

“What you got that hanky in the wrong pocket for, dude, you got ta be kiddin me that your a bottom boy, Christ.”

“To each his own, friend,” Ellery smiled at him tightly. “An if you were about twenty years older an not wearin yer pants so damn tight I might change my preferences for ya, but I don’t fuck boys. Have a nice evenin y’all,” and turned back to pick up the shot of whiskey and water Ron laid out for him, catching the smirk. The blond trotted off, offended.

“You got a way, man,” Ron chuckled, showing the first sign of actual emotion since Ellery had first set eyes on him, then to his slight surprise, the bartender leaned over and said in a voice too soft for anyone else around to hear. “An I think yer a cop.”

Ellery smiled sweetly. “What gave it away?” He leaned back, trying to act unruffled.

“I been runnin a bar for a long time, an men who cruise look at asses, cocks and legs. An even the pretty ones here, you ain’t lookin at asses or cocks or legs, not even the ones wearin their pants too damn tight. You sound like yer on the Safety patrol. And no way that hanky’s been out of the package for more’n a week."

Ellery laughed. “You ought ta be a detective, Ron.”

“I woulda been, cept the good ol boys don’t like our kind protectin an servin. So I’m right ain’t I?”

Ellery nodded. “Yep.”

“Yer lookin for someone. Since I been here the last ten years why don’t ya tell me who yer lookin for?”

“You got someone else workin this bar? I’d rather not go into such detail where little pitchers are hangin out.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 09:27:13 am
Chapter 38:

I got ta get home. Need that boy now.

Now, after this second trip to Brokeback, he had come to realize that his sexual memories of Jack were now irretrievably mixed with his fresher memories of Ellery. How many times had they done it, in the six weeks of their whirlwind passion? As many times as he and Jack on Brokeback in 63? Probably not. Then, they had embraced one another in an agony of need, uninterrupted, long days and cold nights, spending fewer and fewer of them apart, sometimes, never even dressing, hands on each other, stroking one another to orgasm when they were too drunk or sleepy to fuck... yet the new memories continued to blend into one erotic whole that, whenever his mind touched it, never failed to stiffen his spine and make his cock harden with the anticipation of pleasure.

He slept until the sky began to lighten, had greasy eggs at a truck stop before turning off the 287 and heading east. Back to Laramie. Back home. As he approached he felt that rise of tension he had felt when meeting Jack at their trailhead rendezvous, thinking more than half of the time about how the sex would be, how Jack’s lips would feel when he finally claimed them, the rough familiarty of Jack’s hands as they snaked down the back of his denims and squeezed his ass... Jesus Jack... and now, he was in this same fever of anticipation. It takes goin away to appreciate the comin back. He had had too much going away, not enough coming back.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 09:34:04 am
Chapter 39:

He drove over to the Lone Star just as they were setting up tables and stocking the bar, and he rang the service bell. Sam, the cook, answered. “Ron around Sam?”

He cocked his head and stepped aside. “He know what this is about?” Ellery nodded and stepped in ahead of him. Just in case, he had dressed in his bar costume, lizardskin boots flashing like dull neon in the afternoon light. I am a sight. Ennis is going to flip when he sees this shit, he thought, and then decided he would fly home dressed this way, just to see the look on Ennis’s face.

“Hey ya Ron, yer Wyomin hot shot is here,” Sam said, lifting an eyebrow at the view of the boots as Ellery slipped onto a stool at the bar to wait, smiling slightly at the moniker.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 09:38:36 am
And a famous exchange from Chapter 40:

“Where’d you say Ellery was?” He sat down on the sofa heavily, putting the ice pack back on the side of his face.

“I would say, that’ll be him,” Joe said, standing back up again as headlights swept the windows. Moments later, Ellery came in the door, eyes only for Ennis as he dropped his overnight bag.

“Oh sweetheart what’d he do?”

Joe cleared his throat.

Ennis looked up at Ellery in a kind of slow shock, taking in the blue boots, the tight black denims and brief vest, then finally the ponytail and earring. “What the fuck are you WEARING?” Ennis said, voice cracking.

“Oh. Shit. Yeah. Guess I better change.” Ellery stepped through the living room, suddenly self conscious in front of his colleague, and tossed back over his shoulder. “Hey there Joe. You take his statement, okay?” and went in to the bedroom to change. He only wished he could have provoked that reaction from Ennis under better circumstances.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 02, 2007, 01:50:32 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 01, 2007, 03:21:31 pm

And I have my eye on 4000. I keep asking myself, is this something I should be proud of? LOL.

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LOL!!  Of course - just one more thing to be proud of, Queen of Schmoop!   :laugh:

Nice variety of quotes, Leslie - a lot happened in these chapters.  Jumping back to Chapter 38:

“No, this here is Wayne from Ellery’s bar. He got ta talk to someone about Bill Early, an I ain’t no police so I didn’t want ta hear none of it myself.”

“You need ta talk to Joe or the Sheriff. Let me see if Joe’s still here.” She jumped up, and Wayne began to move away. Ennis snagged his arm and held it in a stiff grip.

“You do got flabby arms. I take it you haven’t done no horseback ridin lessons.”

“Fuck off Ennis, I swear. You hate my kind so badly you shouldn’t even be allowed in the Red Stallion.”

“Shut up Wayne,” he growled. Just then the stubby figure of Joe Tooey appeared at the door. “News a Bill you say?” he smiled.

Ennis nodded, wordless, keeping an iron grip on Wayne’s arm.

“You want a donut, coffee?”

“Oh a donut!” Wayne enthused, trying to break away.

LOL!  What a great tension-breaker Wayne is!  We can always count on Wayne to give us a laugh - he is one of a kind! 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 02, 2007, 02:05:19 pm
From Chapter 37:

“Jesus Christ. I found me an Ennis,” he whispered.

Now that he had a face... a very memorable face, one that was more familiar to him than his own, he had some chance of canvassing. But in the meantime, he had a call to make.

“Huh... hello?”

“Weiss?”

“Cantrell? You still in town?”

“Yeah, sorry ta get ya out of bed but I had a question ta ask ya. Does the name Justin Worrell mean anythin ta you?”

“Worrell. Justin you said? No, but there’s a judge by the name in the criminal court, old guy now, he might be retired. Not a real common name around here Cantrell. Why you askin?”

“Just followin up, I found out who Twist was meetin down here an he lives in Austin. An I can’t find fuck all on him, not even his marriage license. Just got his Texas driver’s license.”

“Well if he’d been in trouble you know how judges look after their own, maybe he’s related to the judge. You can find HIM in Who’s who... he is all over the damn place. Listen Cantrell I got ta sleep. Call me sometime after dinner if ya need anything more.”

“Sure enough, sorry about that, Weiss.”

He hung up, plucking his lip. Deeper and deeper. He headed back to the library then to look up Judge Worrell before it closed. Then it would be off to the Lone Star, this time to stake it out.



Amidst the themes of love, acceptance, forgiveness, etc. - Louise gave us a helluva mystery, too!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 09:59:41 pm
All right re-readers...

I am actually posting a little early today because I have a busy day tomorrow and might not do the quotes justice. Today's reading assignment, chapters 41-45:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/38743.html

Ennis opened the bedroom door in time to see Ellery taking the band from his hair, the earring already out, the lizardskin boots kicked into a corner.

“What the fuck is this?” Ennis said, voice hushed.

“That is one hell of a bruise sweetheart. You need a big cut a steak on yer jaw.”

“Where did you get those horrible boots? You look like a...”

“A queer, sweetheart. I was stakin out a queer bar. I had ta blend in. I thought I’d surprise ya at the airport. Well... surprise.”

“Jesus Christ. And... an earring?” He held a hand up to Ellery’s guilty earlobe. “Is this some new thing yer gonna start in doin?”

Ellery frowned. “Now hold on. I told you I was makin a stakeout. Piercins close up. I had a piercin a long time ago an you didn’t know nothin about it. And no it ain’t no new look. I thought you might find it ... excitin.”

A gentle knock came on the bedroom door. “Uh, gentlemen....” came Joe’s mild voice.

“No I ain’t found it excitin!” Ennis hissed, dropping his voice now. “Don’t... just don’t... do it around me.”

Ellery was unhappy, but bit back his anger in light of Ennis’s injury. “We’re comin Joe, just changin.”

“Don’t change completely okay Ellery? Just the clothes,” he joked through the door, and then Ennis heard him moving away.

“I’m changin my clothes now Ennis. I promise.”

Ennis turned, wordless, and left the room. “I tol you everythin Joe, that was it.”


This was such an interesting exchange...Ennis really tries to believe he was "jacksexual" and now, "ellerysexual" but here he has cold, hard evidence that Ellery is queer and knows what queers do...like get their ears pierced and wear blue boots. It is so interesting how Ennis holds things at arms length, and is now struggling with it.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 10:04:08 pm
I remember when this was first written, people were dying...DYING...for bottom!Ennis. Here is the first hint that that wish might come true...

Ennis found the cigar box and lighted one, Ellery curling up next to him, one long lean thigh wrapped around his. Ennis took a drag from it and handed it off, Ellery wiping his sticky fingers on his drawers before accepting it. “You sure do like me pokin around down there.”

“Yeah.”

“I’d like ta try it with my cock sometime.”

“So you said.” Ennis took the cigar from his hand once again, not looking at him.

“Think you might be willin ta try?”

“Maybe. Fingers feel good....” he said, tentatively.

“You never done this, taken a cock?”

He shook his head. “You sure like it though. Jack sure liked it a whole lot.”

“That’s cause it feels good sweetheart. Jest different is all.”

“I’ll tell ya when okay?”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 10:06:07 pm
More from Chapter 42:

“Wayne been feelin yer ass with me outta town boy?” Ellery joked softly.

“No but he must a figured out since I ride horses all the time.”

Ellery snaked a hand under his hip and squeezed one of his cheeks. “Yep. Rock hard.”

“You really wore those boots an those tight jeans in a queer bar? Anybody try ta pick ya up?”

Ellery nodded. He knew this would come up again. “Yeah but nothin serious. I appeal ta men who don’t appeal ta me generally. Man like you comes along once in a dog’s age, got ta keep an eye out. No way a man with a tattoo that says “Mother” on it ever gonna get my pants down.”

“Better not or I’ll have to whup yer ass for it. I’m a jealous man, Ellery.”

“Yeah, figured that part out earlier tonight. Part of you was purple an the rest was bright green. I ain’t got no interest in other guys, Ennis. An if you want the god’s honest truth, that bartender told me he had me figured fer a cop because I wasn’t lookin at asses and cocks.”

Ennis smiled. “Good ta hear. Ya shouldn’t be. Only cock I want you lookin at is that one right there, an I mean it.” he pointed a lazy finger at his crotch.

“Yes sir,” Ellery replied.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 10:10:37 pm
Another famous exchange, this one from Chapter 43...I love it when I rediscover these gems! LOL

They ate quietly, Ennis looking unhappy at the prospect of seeing Wayne again, and before their last cup of coffee he finally said “I really think ya can talk ta Wayne without me bein there.”

“I don’t think so Ennis, now come on. You intimidate him. That’s a good thing. He is a whole lot more intimidated by you than he is by me.”

“Yeah well sometimes when I intimidate him I think he’s gettin a woody in his drawers.”

“Oh that’s what’s goin on! Well he’ll do that anyway. Wayne is queer for everybody. No offense intended but it ain’t personal. Even knowin I don’t like fem boys he tried ta get into it with me a couple years back an I had ta almost slap him before he took no for an answer.”

“He does that in front a me he won’t know what hit em.”

“You do brighten up to a nice shade a green, Ennis,” Ellery said. “If Wayne an me were on a desert island an there was nothin there but a coconut between us, I think I’d fuck the coconut before I’d fuck Wayne.”

Ennis spewed coffee down his chin. “Maybe you oughta tell em that.”

“I did. That’s why he doesn’t flirt with me no more.”



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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 10:17:16 pm
In Chapter 44, we get to know Lauren for the first time:

“You gettin a new bartender?” came the soft voice of the lanky assistant, holding his broom as if to ward off danger with it.

“Oh hey Lauren. Needed one for a while. An I’ll be honest with ya, Wayne pulled a really bad stunt this week an I don’t know if I can keep em. If yer lookin fer more hours an think ya can handle it this might be a good time ta step up.”

“Yeah, Wayne tol me he was gonna get in trouble. They arrest em?”

Ellery shook his head. “No, they chalked it up ta him bein a bonehead. You want some more nights?”

Lauren nodded, giving Ennis a shy look. “You come ta work here too Ennis?”

Ennis gave him a faint smile. “Only Saturday nights ta help out in case a trouble. I ain’t no bartender, so no worries there.”

“That’s too bad,” Lauren said. “I think it’d be nice if you worked here. Wayne lets people get away with all sorts a shit. If ya pardon my sayin so.”

“Is that a fact?” Ellery said. “Like what sorts a shit?”

Lauren’s eyes widened. “Maybe I shouldn’t be tellin tales outta school...”

“Lauren I own this fuckin bar. I am yer boss. If he’s lettin shit go on it can get us closed down so like what kind a shit an I don’t want ta ask a third time.”

Lauren stepped closer into the office, even though the building was otherwise empty. “He... was lettin boys give head in the Gent’s an take money fer it. An a course taken off their clothes on the dance floor an givin away their drawers.”

“Goddammit!” Ellery smacked his hand on the table. “That is the type a shit that is gonna make me lose my license. Well I don’t care if the bar does have ta be closed for a while. That boy has got ta go.”

Lauren’s eyes got wide. “I didn’t think you’d fire em for that.”

“I shoulda fired em fer harborin a fugitive, Lauren. An he violates my liquor an entertainment license that way he sure as hell is gonna get fired for it.”

“I am real sorry Ellery. But he tol me not ta say nothin an I didn’t want ta lose my job too.”

“You ain’t gonna lose yer job unless you was one a those boys givin head in the Gent’s.”

“I wasn’t. I got me a boyfriend Ellery.”

“That is real good ta hear Lauren.”

“He takes real good care a me too.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 10:19:02 pm
And for all of those who missed it, chapter 44 is where Ennis spanks Wayne:

“You sass me I’ll let Ennis whale on ya for a while. He is just dyin ta after what he went through cause a you.”

“I didn’t do nothin ta Ennis.”

“No, but Bill did. Just in case you missed the egg on his jaw there.” Ennis grinned malevolently at Wayne.

Ellery counted out a stack of bills in fives and tens and ones and set it in front of Wayne. “That’s this week’s pay. Don’t come in tonight. Don’t come back Wayne. An don’t let the door hit yer ass on the way out.”

Wayne picked up the stack of bills and shoved them in his shirt pocket, glared at Ennis, and stood up, edging out of the office. “Fuck you Ennis,” he hissed as he walked by, and Ennis let fly with a hard whallop on the seat of his too tight jeans. “Jesus Christ, you asshole!” he cried, and ran out of the bar.

Ellery smirked at Ennis. “If he had a brain in his head, he could lodge a complaint of assault for that Ennis.”

“Let em. I’ll tell em he pissed me off.”



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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 02, 2007, 10:21:40 pm
Great quotes, Leslie!


Quote from: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 09:59:41 pm
This was such an interesting exchange...Ennis really tries to believe he was "jacksexual" and now, "ellerysexual" but here he has cold, hard evidence that Ellery is queer and knows what queers do...like get their ears pierced and wear blue boots. It is so interesting how Ennis holds things at arms length, and is now struggling with it.

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Yes, that's so true - and, considering his choice of Christmas gift to Ellery, Ennis never did get completely comfortable with those boots, did he?   

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 10:04:08 pm
I remember when this was first written, people were dying...DYING...for bottom!Ennis.

L

I'll admit - I was one of 'em!   ;D

So Chapters 41-45 for Wednesday.  Well, you know what that means? Chapters 46-50 on Thursday.  I'm so pathetically excited!!   :laugh: Guess who we hear about for the first time in Chapter 47 and meet for the first time in Chapter 48?   Whoo Whee! 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 10:27:21 pm
In Chapter 45, we get the first hint of Dupree (but not by name):

“Yeah but what else can I do?”

“You can have a man on it with ya.”

“Wes you know I can’t...”

“Jest an idea. You know I hired you in direct from the University Criminal Justice program, an they keep pressurin me ta bring some more seniors in who are takin degrees in Private Investigation, an what better type a situation than have someone nice an young an strong ... an good lookin... work on the undercover with ya? It’ll be safer than you workin it alone, they’s already licensed ta carry, an you can have em work under your license for a week two weeks or so.”

“Shit Wes I dunno.”

“You do know Ennis’d hit the roof if he found out you was tryin ta use yerself for bait for someone who just mighta killed his man.”

“He already hit the roof Wes. An he already told me he won’t have it.”

“Then you haven’t got a whole hell of a lot a choice.”

“Well I was plannin ta just lie.”

“Well no you wasn’t because I wouldn’t let ya either. Unless you got someone watchin yer back. One a those smart as hell too good for everybody A student snot nose types jes like you were fifteen years ago. Remember that Ellery?”

“You ain’t backin down from this are you?”

“No I ain’t. So reschedule yer Albuquerque thing for Tuesday or whatever an you’ll have four boys ta choose from an you can interview em first thing Monday. The three ya don’t pick will be learnin how ta do background checks and canvassin with Joe on his obscenity case. Sam Keller is gonna be mighty pleased with me after naggin me about this for the past six months.”

“Tell Sam Keller he can kiss my ass.”

“I thought he spent four years doin that already, Ellery. You have a good weekend now.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 10:30:21 pm
And again. from chapter 45...

He watched, stock still, as Ellery masturbated himself, at first slowly, languidly, until he muttered “Faster,” and he increased the pace, his hips rising and rolling as he worked himself with his hand, pale eyes fastened on Ennis’s face. Ennis was still rock hard, his cock throbbing, but he was not touching himself. He picked up the Vaseline, nodding from time to time as he watched Ellery stroking his cock, and began to dab his cock with it, stroking his cock enough to make sure it was completely lubricated, then he moved closer, then spoke once more, his cock now held firmly in his hand, yet still not stroking it nor getting close enough to penetrate. “Now make yerself come....” he said, voice soft, a rasping sound. Ellery clamped his hand harder, pumping rapidly, now knowing where he was going, and as his moan of release began to build, his first pulse of ejaculation squirting over his hand, Ennis moved, and quickly, forcing the head of his cock into his ass in one abrupt motion, making Ellery buck hard as he erupted. Ennis’s hands came down hard on the back of Ellery’s thighs and he leaned in, his thrusting hard as he sunk his cock into the spasming sphincter, gasping as he tried to gain his breath. He pulled back and shoved forward once more, feeling a splash of warmth as Ellery let go his cock, still streaming come, and bore down, all control lost once more as he reamed the tight warmth of his orgasming sphincter with his aching, needy shaft.

He lasted hardly more than a minute before exploding with a harsh cry, his hands letting go of the back of Ellery’s thighs, and pulled out, shuddering, his cock wet and still half erect.

Ellery looked up at him with a drunken smile. “Where do you get these ideas, sweetheart?”

“While I’m muckin out mares,” Ennis replied. “It gets real borin sometimes.”

“Lucky for me,” Ellery replied.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on January 03, 2007, 07:28:24 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 02, 2007, 10:10:37 pm
Another famous exchange, this one from Chapter 43...I love it when I rediscover these gems! LOL

They ate quietly, Ennis looking unhappy at the prospect of seeing Wayne again, and before their last cup of coffee he finally said “I really think ya can talk ta Wayne without me bein there.”

“I don’t think so Ennis, now come on. You intimidate him. That’s a good thing. He is a whole lot more intimidated by you than he is by me.”

“Yeah well sometimes when I intimidate him I think he’s gettin a woody in his drawers.”

“Oh that’s what’s goin on! Well he’ll do that anyway. Wayne is queer for everybody. No offense intended but it ain’t personal. Even knowin I don’t like fem boys he tried ta get into it with me a couple years back an I had ta almost slap him before he took no for an answer.”

“He does that in front a me he won’t know what hit em.”

“You do brighten up to a nice shade a green, Ennis,” Ellery said. “If Wayne an me were on a desert island an there was nothin there but a coconut between us, I think I’d fuck the coconut before I’d fuck Wayne.”

Ennis spewed coffee down his chin. “Maybe you oughta tell em that.”

“I did. That’s why he doesn’t flirt with me no more.”



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I love(d) this!!  ;D LOVE the Ennis/Wayne stuff! And God, I loved Ennis spanking Wayne like that! Hilarious  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Bigheart on January 03, 2007, 07:32:42 am
I'm not a diehard re-reader Leslie but I do often come in here and read your quotes  :) And I must say, you pick out the GOOD ones  :)
This is hard work, Leslie and I really admire you for doing this!  :) It's great!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 03, 2007, 07:35:52 am
Quote from: Bigheart on January 03, 2007, 07:32:42 am
I'm not a diehard re-reader Leslie but I do often come in here and read your quotes  :) And I must say, you pick out the GOOD ones  :)
This is hard work, Leslie and I really admire you for doing this!  :) It's great!  :)

Thank you, June! It is work, but fun. And you get to have Laramie Saga-lite!

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 03, 2007, 09:15:27 am
Hey, I WROTE the darn thing and *I* love reading the quotes!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 04, 2007, 09:29:06 am
Good morning re-readers. The ABC people are gloating because they have passed us in views. Oh well, we'll just keep chipping away at our reading here.

Today, chapters 46 to 50.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/40190.html

Just a little reminder of how far Ennis has come along in his self-acceptance....

“You see Bill down there?” Ennis asked, curiosity getting the better of him.

“Yep. Boy is in serious trouble. An you got ta decide if yer gonna press the assault charge too.”

“Shit yeah. This is the second time he hit me.”

“You don’t feel queasy about that no more?”

“Shit Ellery, considerin everybody an their brother has heard you callin me sweetheart in public goin ta court is gonna be easy after this.”

Ellery looked a bit away. “Yeah I do keep doin that don’t I?” He responded to a raised hand at the other end of the bar and turned to give Ennis a nod. “I’ll try ta do better.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 04, 2007, 09:42:21 am
In Chapter 48 we have Jeremy's job interview:

“Dupree I talked to two a the other boys but I noticed yer record is a whole lot more solid. Tell me what you want ta become a detective for.”

“There is only one answer ta that, Chief, “ he had glanced rapidly at Ellery’s title on the front of the desk only seconds earlier. “I was in military police, an we had ta do a slew a paperwork an spent about five percent a the time doin police work. I’d like ta do a little bigger percent police work.”

“How do you feel about comin with me ta Texas on an undercover assignment?”

Dupree’s smile was now an unmistakable look of reined-in enthusiasm. “I’d feel really good about gettin outta school if I got ta do that.”

“How d’you feel about homosexuals?”

“I don’t generally feel em, sir. But jokin aside, they’s entitled to the same protection as all the rest a the public an what they do ain’t illegal in this state since 1978.”

“77, Dupree.”

He blushed. “77.”

“Very good. Ya see I take a very personal interest in em. All jokin aside. An this undercover case is a PI I am doin as a favor, an you need ta get licensed under my shield as a PI in Texas for two or three weeks or so. An it might mean you prettyin up a bit so’s we can stake out a queer bar in Austin. You see any problem with that?”

“No sir,” while he wasn’t smiling anymore, Dupree’s keen blue eyes remained sharp and steady, and looking right at him. He wasn’t shy, and he wasn’t stupid.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 04, 2007, 09:54:33 am
From Chapter 50:

He heard more than saw Ennis slide down his denims and lean over, a big hand sliding down from his shoulder, following the narrow ribcage down, then setting a proprietary hand on his ass, rubbing slowly and lightly, playing with him. He let out a soft sigh, never letting his curious gaze wander from him. Ennis leaned down once more, half leaning over his back, hand still lightly kneading his left cheek. “Tell me, what’d they say to ya in the bar...” he said. “First man ta come up to ya?”

“Hmm....” he felt a twinge of resentment, being asked about the Lone Star bar once more, but did not know how to refuse him without breaking the mood of sultry sexual tension. “He said ‘you ain’t from around here boy, you want a beer..?’

“What’d he look like?” Ennis’s voice dropped, his words sounding like more of a whispered hush than spoken, this close to his ear.

“Ugly as sin, about six foot five, dirt under his fingernails an a big tattoo on his arm said “Harley.”

“Big biker wanted ta get you under em eh?”

Ellery shrugged. “Maybe. Didn’t give em time ta ask...”

Ennis’s other hand came up and touched his cheek, his left hand still kneading his ass cheek lightly. “I want you. Knowin there’s other men out there want you makes me crazy ya know.”

“Crazy in a good way I hope.”

“Maybe, we’ll see...”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 04, 2007, 09:55:28 am
And more from Chapter 50...

But this time, he drew back slowly, this time, as though studying the responses to each thrust, to the caressing stroke of his hands on his hips as he pulled him up and back to a kneeling position, pressing his shoulders down into the pillow... never enough of this, sliding in and feeling like one being, wanting one thing... another thrust up and against one another, the hard slap of flesh as Ellery’s ass pushed back to anticipate him... not so fast, not yet... It was hard to hold back, but he had to know, what is the mystery of this sensation, this pleasure that they must have in each other, reaching out for the arm which rested obediently still and pulling it down, putting his fingers on the neglected cock that throbbed untended, “pump yerself,” he ordered softly, feeling the immediate change inside him as Ellery worked himself toward orgasm, the tightening of his muscles unleashing his control at last and he seemed to sob as he felt himself unable to hold back, surging forward, riding hard now, galloping into a spasm of ecstasy as he came, feeling the delicious spasm of Ellery’s orgasm as he came moments later, falling together on the bed, sticky, sweaty, and temporarily, spent.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 04, 2007, 01:18:32 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 04, 2007, 09:29:06 am
Good morning re-readers. The ABC people are gloating because they have passed us in views. Oh well, we'll just keep chipping away at our reading here.


Good Afternoon, Leslie and All -

Hey, maybe if you put the word out that it is "Sweet Thing" Jeremy Dupree Day at the re-read it will generate some views - especially after that J&N scene yesterday!!! ;D

And speaking of Jeremy, had to jump back to this conversation in Chapter 48, which I thought was really interesting, especially in view of recent developments!

Ellery waited the requisite five minutes and then went to Wes’s office, walking in through the half-open door. “Told ya so.”

“Okay why’d ya pick him?”

“Because he has three years experience in the MP’s in an urban setting an he’s 26 years old an he can hold a conversation with an adult without stammerin.”

“Fair enough,” Wes scowled. “So tell me how ya do that?”

“Do what?” Ellery was finding it difficult to control his smug expression.

“Know ahead a time who’s who?”

“Cause I got the Shinin, Wes. Same way I tell who the queers are.”

“Uh huh. Remind me ta ask you next time I buy a lottery ticket.”

“Will do. Weld is gonna back em up, so Weld’ll get to do summat. Dupree says he did good in school, so you get half points.”

“Leave me alone, Ellery. I am already regrettin you comin back full time.”

Ellery smiled sweetly. “I am doin my level best.”

Hmmm... so Ellery believes he can tell who the queers are, huh?  I think your "Shinin" may be slipping, Ellery!   :laugh:

I always love Wes and Ellery conversations!  I always love to hear Wes say "leave me alone, Ellery," or better yet, the classic "I didn't need to hear that, Ellery!"   ;D

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 07:45:36 am
Good morning re-readers. Today, chps 51-55:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/41226.html

and it bit of witty repartee to start off the re-read...

Ellery knocked lightly on the half-open door then stuck in his head. “Avon callin, Sheriff.”

“Oh, hi. Come in.”

“I wanted ya ta meet my new sidekick,” he said, opening the door. “Jeremy Dupree, this is our Sheriff Wes Brown.”

Dupree took the hard handshake of Brown and then slouched into one of the two chairs by his desk. “You got plants I see, keeps oxygen in the room ya know.”

Wes beamed at Ellery. “You can tell my Chief Deputy that.”

Ellery rolled his eyes. “I thrive on carbon dioxide, it keeps me sharp. Listen Wes did you call yer Senator friend?”



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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 08:06:29 am
Chapter 52:

Ennis said nothing for so long that Ellery thought he should go on, then he hesitated.

“Ennis.”

“Whut…” he replied, his voice soft, hardly heard.

“You knew I was a police detective before we came over here an fucked the first time.”

“I know.”

“You knew my job had a element of danger to it.”

“I know.”

“So what’s different now?”

Ennis sat up, looking down at Ellery’s face as he lay on the bed, his eyes gleaming with unshed tears. “What’s different now is, if anythin were ta happen to ya now, I wouldn’t be able ta go on. You know what that means? An it was my idea for you to find out what happened ta Jack an now suddenly it’s a murder an there might be a murderer down there an he won’t like gettin caught. An I can’t live with myself if I sent you down there an something happens. I can’t.”

“Aw… Ennis, c’mere… c’mere sweetheart.” He reached out both arms, and Ennis caved in against him, his sob muffled against Ellery’s bare chest, hot tears stinging him. He pulled him in close, rocking him slightly. “I’m sorry, Ennis, it’s gonna be okay.”

“It ain’t. It ain’t gonna be okay,” Ennis replied, shaking his head against his body, then looked up at him, eyes red with misery. “I get in a tizzy cause yer half an hour late comin home an I think, better call the hospital. Maybe he got in the cell talking ta Bill an Bill beat his brains out. Maybe there was a robbery an he got shot. I can’t stand it Ellery… I can’t… stand it.”

Ellery smoothed his hair, feeling the damp strands under the dry blond curls, sifting through his hair in long, slow strokes. “I’m here now, sweetheart. It’s gonna be okay now. I promise.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 08:15:52 am
Chapter 53:

“Out for some late exercise?” Wes said, putting a boot up on the door of the stall and leaning over it.

“Yeah. Doin some thinking.”

“Bout this Austin thing?”

“Yep.”

“I would say you an I are worried about the same thing, Ennis.”

“Oh?” Ennis didn’t look up, but found something worrying suddenly about Pal’s left foot and patted her fetlock to get her to lift it, inspecting the hoof for the beginning of a crack that he might need to trim.

“Yeah. I ain’t keen on Ellery trackin down a killer on his own, which is why I made em get someone ta back em up. An I done a couple of other things too. I’m pullin in a couple a favors down in Texas ta see if I can dig up some background info so that we can limit the field investigation down. I need Ellery here in Laramie. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t a promoted him. You hear what I’m sayin Ennis?”

“Yes sir.” He stood up, finally, putting a gentling hand on the mare’s back, soothing her.

“I am gonna ask Ellery to go about things a bit different with this, give it some time. We got time here, it ain’t like the case is really gonna get colder. If ya pressure him ta give it up he’ll hold on like a bulldog with a favourite bone. But if ya let me put the pressure on in the right places I can make sure he doesn’t stick his neck out.”

Ennis nodded, feeling that tightness in his chest loosen slightly. “You gonna make sure he doesn’t go do some stupid stakeout thing again an put himself in danger?”

“Yeah. That I can promise ya. I had a bit of a talk to em the other day an that is why he ain’t in Austin right now. You take care a my mares, an I’ll take care a yer Chief Deputy Ennis, that sound like a deal?”

Ennis gulped, nodded.

“See, cause he’s my Chief Deputy too, an I love em as much as you do, an I sure as hell ain’t gonna let anything happen to em just because he’s got an impetuous side.”

Ennis blushed hotly, casting his eyes down. “I appreciate that.”

“Now go home, boy, because he’s worried about ya.”

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:33:38 am
Chapter 54:

He went back into the bedroom and changed into his normal black denims, leaving his shoes off, and pulling on a black t-shirt, then padded into the bathroom, looking in the mirror as he washed his hands and face, removing the traces of tears that had accumulated during his jittery hours of waiting. “Dumbass. Ya couldn’t just say all right sweetheart, I love you an respect yer wishes an I know yer scared. No no. You got ta be the hardass chief deputy first. You don’t think with yer dick, boy, you think with yer gun.”

He slammed the medicine cabinet door after taking his evening medicine, thinking that he really ought to eat, and having no desire to. He stood on the patio, door open, listening for the phone, and watched a brilliantly hued hummingbird flutter over the dandelions. He couldn’t go back to living alone, not after getting this close. Investigating Jack’s death had seemed like the right thing to do, something that would allow him to prove his love to Ennis and at the same time help him put down his ghost, to grieve what he had to grieve and move on. But things had gotten ugly. How much different it would all be if he had just come back with a brief nod and a brave smile and said “Yep, boy died from a tire blowout, right there in black an white just like they thought.” But Ennis’s suspicions had already told him it would not be that easy. It couldn’t be.


Ah, Ellery...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:36:50 am
And a little bit of hotness from chapter 54:

They had finished off the batch of doughboys between them and Ellery was gathering up their plates when Ennis said “C’mere.” He set the plates in the sink and came back to him, edging up to his bare knees. Ennis slipped his arms around Ellery’s narrow waist and began to tug on his t-shirt, tugging it up, baring his stomach, and pressed his face against it, hands already busy unfastening his belt and pushing his denims off his hips, fingers digging into the flesh of his ass, kissing him, nuzzling his navel with his nose and mouth, tickling with his tongue, then moving a hand around and grasping his cock and balls in his right hand as Ellery’s denims slid down past his knees. “Oh sweetheart yer gettin serious.”

“Damn serious,” he murmured, licking up his belly as far as he could reach, his left hand kneading Ellery’s ass as he toyed with his cock now, stroking it almost playfully. Ellery’s hands came down on his shoulders, his belt making a soft thunk onto the kitchen floor, and then Ennis looked up.

“You like that when I made ya come while I was puttin it in?” Ellery nodded, face flushing as he felt his cock surge from the memory he had just provoked, moaning softly as his hips rolled into Ennis’s stroking hand, back against the kneading of his ass, Ennis’s fingers wandering suggestively toward his sphincter as he squeezed.

Ennis stood up suddenly, his slight disadvantage in height more than compensated for the thicker mass of his shoulders and arms as he pulled Ellery against him, the towel falling, his cock throbbing against Ellery’s already rigid erection, and pulled him into a kiss whose searing intensity reminded Ellery of that night on the sofa, and he wondered if they were going to make it to the bedroom this time either.

But Ennis broke the kiss after several long minutes, disengaging his tongue from Ellery’s mouth, both of them panting. “Bed,” he croaked, and unclamped his arms from the bearhug he had been holding him in, and followed Ellery to the bedroom, eyes fixed to the movement of his ass and hips as he walked.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:44:08 am
Chapter 55:

Wes nodded. “I am just as keen ta see Ennis get this situation resolved as you are. But you ain’t the right man for the job. This is an Austin police matter an you fuckin well know it. But you can help out an from now on this is in an auxiliary capacity.”

“Shit, Wes.”

“Do you care more about your ego as a detective or more about Ennis?”

Ellery rose to his feet. “That is what I keep askin myself. Sometimes I know the answer. But you are bein fuckin goddamn heavy handed Wes an I want you ta know that.”

“That’s why I am the sheriff an you work fer me. Because keepin you my chief deputy is part a my job.”

“Yeah fuck you very much Wes.”

“Yer welcome, Ellery. Close the door when ya go out.”

Ellery walked out of Wes’s office and called Dupree into his office, slunk down behind his desk and sipped on his coffee. “Looks like you an I have not escaped the nightmare a paperwork. The undercover spooky spy portion of this assignment just got smaller an the dreary background check coordination part just got bigger. Cause Wes wants ta do things different.”

“Okay,” Dupree said neutrally. “I hope this isn’t because he doesn’t think I can handle it.”

“No it’s because he believed my theory that Worrell really is a killer an he doesn’t want me within five hundred miles a him due to his protective Sheriff-like nature which just happens ta not want ta see me end up dead.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:45:13 am
And more from Chapter 55:

“Shit, Cantrell, you got further than I did the week a the incident.”

“Well it don’t satisfy me. What would satisfy me is a full set a prints on a murder weapon an a confession, but I’m picky that way.”

Weiss laughed. “Well I’ll try ta get em both, how’s that sound? You take care now.”

“My love to yer wife, I’m sure she’ll appreciate sleepin with you nights again.”

“Yers too.”

“I’ll be sure ta tell em.”

The slight hesitation on the line put a smile on Ellery’s face. Maybe with a little support on the paperwork side, Weiss could close the case. He hoped so, because if he didn’t, he might be tempted to start lying again.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:52:25 am
Okay, so I read ahead, but I couldn't resist, because chapter 56 is one of my all time favorites.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/42688.html

We have this:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/1120.jpg)

and this:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/flowercard.jpg)

and meat pies!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:53:57 am
Chapter 56:

Ellery was making a fresh pot of coffee when the door opened, and he stuck his head out. “Hey stranger. I came home early fer a change.”

Ennis lighted up with a smile, first at seeing him, then at the smell of the baking biscuits. “Yer makin doughboys.”

“Would it put too fine a point on it if I burned em or can we skip that part?”

“I’d rather eat em.”

“I got some fresh meat pies ta go with em too, you know, from that deli where they have the lean hamburger an all.”

Ennis came into the kitchen, rubbing up against him, leaning in a little for a kiss. “So what’s all this about?”

“It’s me apologizin to ya.”

“I thought we did all that last night?”

“Well no it was you givin me the ride a my life I thought. An I didn’t apologize properly.”

Ennis shrugged. “Okay.” He went over to the table and sat down, noticing that there were roses in a vase on the table. “Somebody deliver flowers or somethin?”

“Read the card,” Ellery said, pretending to check the pies and biscuits.

Ennis plucked the card from among the long stems and deep red blooms, and opened it.

“To my one and only true love, my deepest apologies, Ellery”

Ennis looked at the card for a long moment, his hand holding the card dropping into his lap.

“You know nobody never got me flowers before...”

“Aww well it’s about time then I guess huh?”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:55:33 am
More from Chp 56:

Ennis looked up at him, a look of guilt on his face. “You... ain’t mad at me?”

“It ain’t like I can’t work on the case anymore Ennis. It’s just a more low key type of thing. I’ll live. Read yer damn card. It’s you I care about. I wouldn’t a gone out an got you flowers if I was pissed at you gettin Wes into this. I ain’t happy but I would be even less happy if you took off an left me cause a the fear I was gonna go out an get myself killed doin an undercover investigation on a dangerous suspect.”

“Yer sure...” Ennis was all hesitancy.

“Tell ya what, sweetheart. Let’s have a nice early dinner an then we can retire to the bedroom an I can show ya just how much I love ya. That sound okay?”

“Sounds good.”

“That’s good, because it’s been at least two days since I sucked cock an I’m gettin thirsty.”

“Jesus Ellery!” Ennis gasped.

Ellery grinned at him, turning and going back to the oven. “Got yer attention?”

“Got Jack’s attention...” he pressed his hand into his swelling crotch.

“Good, that’s what I was hopin. Pies should be done now. First things first.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:56:57 am
And a few final words from Chp 56:

“Oh Jesus darlin... oh jesus....“ he cried, the cry disintegrating into a soft sob of relief, and he reached out his arms to pull Ellery down, to cover him, to touch every inch of that lean, warm body that had wrought such pleasure from him... holding on to the thing he could no longer live without, not for a single day – his love.


Ahhhhh...

L


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 05, 2007, 09:58:45 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:56:57 am
And a few final words from Chp 56:

“Oh Jesus darlin... oh jesus....“ he cried, the cry disintegrating into a soft sob of relief, and he reached out his arms to pull Ellery down, to cover him, to touch every inch of that lean, warm body that had wrought such pleasure from him... holding on to the thing he could no longer live without, not for a single day – his love.


Ahhhhh...

L

Ahhh, is right! Thank you for the quotes Leslie!  :)


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on January 05, 2007, 10:03:30 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 09:53:57 am
Chapter 56:

Ellery was making a fresh pot of coffee when the door opened, and he stuck his head out. “Hey stranger. I came home early fer a change.”

Ennis lighted up with a smile, first at seeing him, then at the smell of the baking biscuits. “Yer makin doughboys.”

“Would it put too fine a point on it if I burned em or can we skip that part?”

“I’d rather eat em.”

“I got some fresh meat pies ta go with em too, you know, from that deli where they have the lean hamburger an all.”

Ennis came into the kitchen, rubbing up against him, leaning in a little for a kiss. “So what’s all this about?”

“It’s me apologizin to ya.”

“I thought we did all that last night?”

“Well no it was you givin me the ride a my life I thought. An I didn’t apologize properly.”

Ennis shrugged. “Okay.” He went over to the table and sat down, noticing that there were roses in a vase on the table. “Somebody deliver flowers or somethin?”

“Read the card,” Ellery said, pretending to check the pies and biscuits.

Ennis plucked the card from among the long stems and deep red blooms, and opened it.

“To my one and only true love, my deepest apologies, Ellery”

Ennis looked at the card for a long moment, his hand holding the card dropping into his lap.

“You know nobody never got me flowers before...”

“Aww well it’s about time then I guess huh?”

L


Oh, Leslie, you quoted this chapter, too.  Just now after re-reading upto chapter 55, I went on to this chapter and was tempted to quote this part but I thought to wait until tomorrow.  I love, love this chapter very much, and I remembered the card you made, thank you for re-posting the card here.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 10:06:54 am
Quote from: yb on January 05, 2007, 10:03:30 am
Oh, Leslie, you quoted this chapter, too.  Just now after re-reading upto chapter 55, I went on to this chapter and was tempted to quote this part but I thought to wait until tomorrow.  I love, love this chapter very much, and I remembered the card you made, thank you for re-posting the card here.



Ellery wrote the card, I just managed to sneak it into the archives for posterity... ;)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 05, 2007, 10:41:00 am
The Quote-Mistress always gets the good quotes!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 05, 2007, 10:42:35 am
Quote from: louisev on January 05, 2007, 10:41:00 am
The Quote-Mistress always gets the good quotes!

Ah, gee, thanks....


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 10:01:22 am
Good morning re-readers,

Since we read ahead yesterday, only four chapters today to stay on track: 57-60.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/42957.html

From 57:

Ellery had just finished scheduling the lineup with Amos Marigold, spent some time glowering over his coffee cup at Carol, and then finally decided to say something.

“Hey Carol, I know you are super busy sometimes with real police business like assaults, shootings, witnesses, subpoenas and all that, but I got a question for ya about telephone calls."

She looked suspiciously at him and said… “I forgot ta give ya a message didn’t I?”

“Yeah.”

“I’m sorry Ellery but he called an said it was no big deal an then the DA got me on the phone for half an hour an by then you was already gone off to see Mrs. Palmer and –“

“It’s okay… well it ain’t okay because he was real upset I didn’t call him back but if I’m here, even if I’m on the phone, can I ask ya ta bend an effort ta put em through? It ain’t like he calls all the time, ya know?”

“I know, Ellery. I’m real sorry. You guys make up an all?”

Ellery gave her a sharp glance. “What made ya think we was fightin?”

“Because you’d never a mentioned it if you hadn’t had a fight about it.”

“That’s why yer so good at yer job, Carol, because you can pull a fact outta practically nowhere.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 11:21:07 am
From Chapter 58:

“I got nothin but time if you got nothin but money,” he replied, and once again, Ennis startled slightly as he thought he saw Nate wink at him. Except that this time his remark was more suggestive.

“What’s that for?” Ennis grumbled, disturbed.

“What you don’t like a man givin ya a wink? I thought you was queer. An yer a nice lookin guy.”

Ennis’s mouth dropped open. “How the hell’d you know that?”

“Saw you outside the Red Stallion few weeks ago when the police were there with the owner an the manager. You step out with the owner don’t ya? The deputy sheriff?”

“Well you don’t miss a thing in this town do ya?”

“I’m right ain’t I? Sorry if I offended ya. Maybe yer steady with em.”

“You might say,” he stammered. “Ain’t interested in… nobody.”

“That’s okay,” Nate said. “But I do think our kind are better off watchin each other’s backs if you know what I mean.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 11:21:55 am
And in case anyone has forgotten, here is what Nate looks like:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Adventures_in_Babysitting_05.jpg)

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 11:24:30 am
A little bit of introspection from our friend Ennis, in Chapter 58:

“Right.” Ennis decided to be cautious and lock the truck, brought the key back in and set it on Nate’s desk before he headed for downtown at a brisk walk. It was warm but breezy… perfect weather for riding, he thought. He should have quit early and gone for another ride… but then he might have gotten stuck with the truck if he hadn’t remembered to have it serviced.

As he walked down Center Street he saw some male pedestrians and one of them waved to him, and he raised his hand in a vague greeting, and felt his chest tighten, and he wondered, suddenly, if all of Laramie was aware, as Nate indicated, that he was queer… just because of his weekly visits to the Red Stallion. He felt suddenly exposed, vulnerable, and wondered if Laramie were really that safe. He would have to ask Ellery about it… because suddenly his protective coloring was gone, and people knew and identified him as queer.

In Nate’s case, it worked to his advantage, but somehow he thought that wouldn’t always be the case. Because if Nate knew – and the denizens of the Red Stallion recognized him as the Saturday night bouncer – then it was quite likely that others, perhaps many others… knew.

This is somethin I am gonna have ta get used to in a hurry, he thought to himself, his anxiety increasing as another man in a cowboy hat raised a hand to wave at him before going into the diner he and Ellery frequented.

By the time he arrived at the station, he felt frankly paranoid, Carol’s friendly smile seemed to betray some hidden knowledge he did not want her to have, and he greeted her with a tight-lipped smile. “Hi there, Carol. Can ya tell Ellery I’m here?”

“You can go on in, he’s got a private office now. He usually likes people ta knock before goin in.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 11:35:03 am
Chapter 59:

Ellery whirled around, his face losing all color. “Tell him don’t move, an keep an eye on that truck, an not touch anythin, an we’ll be right over there. Make sure he don’t touch anythin!”

Ennis shook his head, confused, then repeated what Ellery said, into the phone. “You get that Nate? Sorry, we’ll be there in about fifteen minutes or so. Thanks.”

He handed the phone back to Ellery. “What the fuck is goin on? I don’t own any videotape---“ then he stopped.

“Now you understand. Shut off the oven, Ennis, I got ta call Wes an dispatch first before we go. An Amos.”

He dialed the phone hurriedly as Ennis turned off the oven, face pale, and went to put on his hat. “Yeah Wes you know that radiator shop on the corner a Blake an Plum Street, yeah south side. Nate’s yeah. I need ya ta go there an meet me. I think we just found out what Bill was doin over here the other night when he punched Ennis in the face. I’ll be there before you. I think we ought ta roust Amos for this as well so he knows what kinda deal we ought not ta be makin with him. See ya there.” Without pausing he called 911 dispatch and gave them the same description. Then he dialed Amos Marigold at home.

“You son of a bitch, get yer ass down town ta Nate’s Radiator shop because I want you to take a look at just what kind a deal Bill was about ta cut with ya. You know the one, on the south side, always looks like it needs sandblastin. Plum Street, right. An I suggest you leave right now Amos.”

“We ready ta go?” Ennis said, voice quavering slightly.

Ellery nodded, letting Ennis lead the way out the door, but got behind the wheel again himself, driving at his normal breakneck pace, which kept Ennis close to breathless. “Goddamn fuckin Bill. I got the feelin after I die his ghost is gonna track me down in hell an try ta pin some shit on me.”

“Ya mean me, Ellery.”

“Yeah but you know as well as I do that he’s just doin it ta you ta get back at me. Bargainin chip, some bargainin chip.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 06, 2007, 11:46:38 am
Good Morning! 

Dang - I missed yesterday - but THANK YOU, Leslie, for the card from Ellery to Ennis - now I know what Ellery's handwriting looks like!!!  Yeah - more minutia!!! 

Hopping back to Chapter 57 ---

The switchboard rang just as she was basking in the compliment and she said “Uh Chief, that’s fer you, some guy named Royal in Austin.”

“Huh, okay. I’m getting there…” and he went back to his office, closing the door. “Cantrell.”

“Hey there, this is Ron at the Lone Star bar, I thought you were gonna show up Tuesday night.”

“So was I but since it wasn’t an appointment I didn’t think ta cancel. You seen my friend again?”

“Yeah, an you will never guess who he was askin after.”

“Tall skinny guy with black hair an blue boots?”

“Bingo. So how does he know you?”

“He don’t.”

“Well I told him I might a seen ya an I might a not seen ya. Have I seen ya?”

“Um. Tell em I sound familiar but you haven’t seen me recently. Did he say why he was askin?”

“Just wanted ta know who you were hangin out with and et cetera. An I got two items of possible interest. One is, he bought drinks that night while he talked me up an tried ta find out about you… an paid with a credit card. But it ain’t the name you gave me.”

“What’s the name?”

“Robert Petrie.”

“Son of a gun. An you are sure it’s the guy.”

“Blond hair, six foot two three, dark brown eyes, slender build but not as skinny as you, they don’t grow on trees around here ya know.”

“Yeah yeah.”

“I checked it against the photo ya left.”

“Somethin tells me he watches too many comedies on t.v.”

“Pardon?”

“Robert Petrie. You ever see the Dick Van Dyke show Ron?”

“Oh. OH. Ain’t that something, never occurred ta me. Now if he’d walked in with his wife Laura…”

“You woulda kicked em out a the bar.”


... just because I love the Dick Van Dyke Show reference!!  Always love catching re-runs of that show when I can - one of my favorites!!



Quote from: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 11:35:03 am
Chapter 59:

Ellery whirled around, his face losing all color. “Tell him don’t move, an keep an eye on that truck, an not touch anythin, an we’ll be right over there. Make sure he don’t touch anythin!”

Ennis shook his head, confused, then repeated what Ellery said, into the phone. “You get that Nate? Sorry, we’ll be there in about fifteen minutes or so. Thanks.”

He handed the phone back to Ellery. “What the fuck is goin on? I don’t own any videotape---“ then he stopped.

“Now you understand. Shut off the oven, Ennis, I got ta call Wes an dispatch first before we go. An Amos.”

L


Oh - I remember that this had me so worried!!  Fuckin' Bill! >:(

Thanks for the quotes!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 11:54:16 am
Chapter 60:

“Don’t much blame you, sweetheart. Let’s just get some food in us an do somethin else fer a change, we had enough a fuckin Bill an my fuckin job fer one day.”

Ennis looked over at him curiously. “Never heard ya say that about yer job before, Ellery.”

“You would have if I had seen Amos Marigold as many times as I did today. I think this was an all time record.”

“Why is he such an asshole? What was he talkin about at the station anyhow?”

“Bill tryin ta cut a deal. He calls em from the jail about six times a day with some new idea he’s got ta reduce his time an like an idiot Amos goes over there an lets em stir the pot, an he doesn’t realize Bill is just playin him. Just like this bullshit.”

“Yeah.” Ennis held out an onion ring for Ellery and he accepted it automatically. “Okay so what you got in mind for gettin our minds off it?”

“Well, I don’t know if watchin a video is quite the right approach here, Ennis, if ya know what I mean...”

“I was thinkin maybe you was wound up enough an I was wound up enough I could give ya a backrub. Would ya like that?”

Ellery nodded and smiled. “Now that sounds really good.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 11:58:40 am
And from Chapter 60, another famous line:

“Now what is this about Nate down at the radiator shop, callin you an askin if you was free tonight?”

“Nothin.”

“There ain’t nothin that’s just nothin ta you Ennis.”

He sighed, pausing to put more oil on his hands before he moved lower, into the delicate area of Ellery’s low back. “Well... he winked at me again today an made some comment about havin the time if I got the money an so I asked what it was about an he said... he knew I was queer cause he saw me goin into yer bar an he knows you by sight.”

“Well yeah most a the guys runnin businesses in Laramie know me by sight, I’ve only been in the department for most a the past decade an a half.”

“Yeah okay.”

“Okay so what’d he say, he want a date or somesuch?”

“Well... no, I dunno, I told him I wasn’t lookin for nobody an he said oh that’s cause yer seein that deputy who owns the bar” or somethin, an he wants me ta mention somethin to the guys down there that if they was customers at the bar they could get a discount from em to drum up queer business or whatever.”

Ellery laughed. “Now there is an angle I hadn’t thought of. Not a bad idea actually.”

“Well I wish he didn’t act so bold as brass actin like he knew all about me...”

“Laramie ain’t a big town Ennis. An yer a nice lookin man.”

“Yeah, so he said. I ain’t interested in him.”

“Good thing, or I’d have ta turn ya over my knee an give ya a spank.”

“Spank me huh...” Ennis replied, placing a warning hand on Ellery’s flank. “You ain’t in much position ta issue that threat, Deputy Darlin.”

“That is Chief Deputy Darlin ta you, an don’t worry, I know the right moment ta pounce if you go steppin out on me with some radiator mechanic. I’ll have ta teach you a lesson.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 12:02:07 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 06, 2007, 11:46:38 am
Good Morning! 

Dang - I missed yesterday - but THANK YOU, Leslie, for the card from Ellery to Ennis - now I know what Ellery's handwriting looks like!!!  Yeah - more minutia!!! 


Minutia is good. Have you seen Ellery's business card?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 06, 2007, 12:04:17 pm
Well Leslie, you beat me to it. I was going to post exactly the same quote!  :laugh:

Good choice!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 12:10:04 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on January 06, 2007, 12:04:17 pm
Well Leslie, you beat me to it. I was going to post exactly the same quote!  :laugh:

Good choice!

Thanks, Fabienne. The famous "That's Chief Deputy Darlin ta you" line...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 06, 2007, 12:47:07 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 12:02:07 pm
Minutia is good. Have you seen Ellery's business card?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)

L

Oh, his business card - I love it!!  He keeps some of those, if I recall, on a small table near his front door at home and, of course, in his wallet (along with about $1,000 cash!!). 

Yes, minutia is good!  :)

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 06, 2007, 02:42:09 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 06, 2007, 12:47:07 pm
Oh, his business card - I love it!!  He keeps some of those, if I recall, on a small table near his front door at home and, of course, in his wallet (along with about $1,000 cash!!). 

Yes, minutia is good!  :)

Thanks - Marie

And his ubiquitous notepads, if i recall correctly!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 02:48:19 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on January 06, 2007, 02:42:09 pm

And his ubiquitous notepads, if i recall correctly!



Ha ha, yes ubiquitous notepads!

And the baffling array of snack foods that he bought on their first day together, which we later found out were Ding Dongs and Doritos.

Now you are probably going to ask me what Ding Dongs are, right? How about this description, from the Hostess Cakes website:

Ding Dongs – enrobed with chocolate coating, with rich and majestic crème filling, you can't help but feel like royalty when you bite into one.  In fact, when they were first introduced, they were actually called King Dons in some parts of the country (and Big Wheels in some regions),

The name Ding Dong came from the chiming bells used in Hostess' first television commercials and you'll be singing a happy tune every time you polish off a package.  Nibble them slowly, like a king or queen, and savor the creamy goodness of every morsel, or bite right into that creamy center and get a mouthful of chocolate goodness.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/box_dingdongs.jpg)


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 06, 2007, 03:04:01 pm
hahaha, Ding Dongs!

over here they're called Melo Cakes (although they're also known as 'nun's nipples)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/Milka_Choco_Swing_Melo_Cakes__22864.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 03:16:43 pm
Actually, looking at that picture, Mello-cakes look like what we call Mallomars

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/bnr_mallomars.jpg)

And I found this enraptured description of them...

They're s'mores, is all they are. A little circle of graham cracker with marshmallow on it, surrounded, smothered -- no, embraced -- by a slightly brittle shell of dark, luscious chocolate. Enrobed. That's the word. The chocolate is poured over the cookie, you see. The cookie isn't dipped into the chocolate like some common thing. Therefore, says Nabisco, "Mallomars are an enrobed product." They're just s'mores, like you make at cookouts. And a Rembrandt's just a painting, like you make in kindergarten.

I can't remember the last time I ate a Mallomar. It has probably been 40 years!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 06, 2007, 03:19:32 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on January 06, 2007, 02:42:09 pm

And his ubiquitous notepads, if i recall correctly!



Oh, yeah - the notepads - they certainly were ubiquitous; if I remember correctly, even Ennis started using them for reminders!   :)

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 02:48:19 pm
Ha ha, yes ubiquitous notepads!

And the baffling array of snack foods that he bought on their first day together, which we later found out were Ding Dongs and Doritos.
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Am I remembering correctly?  I think for a while - for some strange reason - Ding Dongs were called King Dons.  Does anyone else remember that?  How odd.  I wonder why. 

Quote from: belbbmfan on January 06, 2007, 03:04:01 pm
hahaha, Ding Dongs!

over here they're called Melo Cakes (although they're also known as 'nun's nipples)


Nun's nipples?    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It appears that Ellery's eating habits have improved somewhat - what with doctor's orders and the good, loving care of his Ennis!   :)

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 06, 2007, 03:20:19 pm
this really does warrant a live discussion, Fabienne... Leslie and I are going wanting in the Beta Chat Fanfic room... just for snack food discussion!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 03:24:52 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 06, 2007, 03:19:32 pm

Am I remembering correctly?  I think for a while - for some strange reason - Ding Dongs were called King Dons.  Does anyone else remember that?  How odd.  I wonder why. 


They were. See the history I posted.

I, myself, and more familiar with Ring Dings, which were produced by a competing bakery: Drake's. They also made those chocolate hot dog bun shaped things, that had cream in the middle. What were they called...?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 03:36:37 pm
Just for fun, I found this in the gallery:


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/1b3b14a8.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 06, 2007, 04:08:02 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 03:24:52 pm
They were. See the history I posted.

I, myself, and more familiar with Ring Dings, which were produced by a competing bakery: Drake's. They also made those chocolate hot dog bun shaped things, that had cream in the middle. What were they called...?

L

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 02:48:19 pm


Ding Dongs – enrobed with chocolate coating, with rich and majestic crème filling, you can't help but feel like royalty when you bite into one.  In fact, when they were first introduced, they were actually called King Dons in some parts of the country (and Big Wheels in some regions)
i]
L

Duh!! Having eaten my share of Ding Dongs and (King Dons) when I was younger (for some reason they don't appeal to me anymore), I skipped right over the history!  So, "rich, majestic and royalty" were the reasons for such a ridiculous name.  Huh. 

Are Drakes produced all over the country or mostly on the East Coast?  I've heard of them, but I think Hostess is more predominate in the midwest.  Hostess also made (or makes) a chocolate hot-dog shaped cream in the center thing - but I can't for the life of me remember what they're called.

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 03:36:37 pm
Just for fun, I found this in the gallery:


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/FFics/1b3b14a8.jpg)

L

LOL!!  Oh, yeah, Dairy Queen!  The only fast-food restaurant we've seen the boys at!  I remember Ennis digging into his onion rings in the car and sharing with Ellery!   :)   

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 06, 2007, 08:19:40 pm
chocolate hot-dog bun with cream filling?  DEVIL DOGS people.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 06, 2007, 08:22:09 pm
Quote from: louisev on January 06, 2007, 08:19:40 pm
chocolate hot-dog bun with cream filling?  DEVIL DOGS people.

Devil dogs, of course! DOPE SLAP!!!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 10:14:15 am
Quote from: mariez on January 06, 2007, 04:08:02 pm
Are Drakes produced all over the country or mostly on the East Coast?  I've heard of them, but I think Hostess is more predominate in the midwest.  Hostess also made (or makes) a chocolate hot-dog shaped cream in the center thing - but I can't for the life of me remember what they're called.


Well, except for a two year exile to Chicago, I have spent my entire life on the east coast, so I wouldn't know if Drake's Cakes are an eastern-only thing or not. LOL. And yes, Marie, I too seem to have lost my taste for Ring Dings and Devil Dogs and all the rest...but I remember them fondly!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 10:17:13 am
Hello re-readers...

Happy Sunday to all of you. Today we have chapters 61-65:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/43888.html

From chapter 61:

“I don’t think I’m gonna be losin too much money on it, but maybe just in case something surfaces on this… I fired Wayne for allowin men ta pay for favors in the Gents.”

“You witness this yerself?” Wes’s voice grew sharp.

“Nope. Lauren told me about it.”

“Then you fired em an it is the right thing, but make sure yer bouncers keep a lookout. We don’t need no scandals.”

“Yessir.”

Wes smiled sidelong at him. “Yer getting better at that. I’m glad Ennis is a positive influence.”

Ellery snorted.

“Maybe you just ain’t aware of it. Times past if I had taken you off an undercover assignment like I did this week you woulda been spittin fire at me for days and never let up until I reconsidered. This time I got a few poison looks an then it was over. Got ta say, that’s right mature a you, Ellery.”

“Thank you. I got other priorities ya know. I got ta think of Ennis now, an he is scared shitless a me endin up with a crescent wrench in my skull an I can’t blame him. Whatever Justin Worrell is, he just gets in deeper an deeper. I got no idea what his whole story is but he has got ta be up to no good usin separate aliases for ownin property an credit cards an –“

Wes pulled up in the Sheriff’s spot in front of the station and shut off the truck.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 10:26:43 am
From Chapter 62....interesting to read this in tandem with "A Small Circle of Friends"

“Ennis,” Edna said, her voice soft, and he turned, hand on the doorknob.

“Whassat ma’am?”

She smiled. “You know you can call me Edna.”

“Sure.”

“Are you ashamed ta be livin with a man that you don’t want ta tell anyone?”

His face turned bright red. “Not… not ashamed exactly. Just – it ain’t any a his business.”

“Wes an I know that you and Ellery are living together as partners, Ennis. Does it upset you that we know?”

“I dunno.” He struggled to look up to meet her eyes.

“I want you to know it doesn’t trouble us a bit. Wes and I love Ellery very much, an we are both pleased ta death that he has found a good man and isn’t a lonely ghost like he was for such a long time. Do you want to know what Ellery was like before you showed up?”

Ennis’s blush faded slightly, and he moved away from the door, lured toward her gentle comments, her obvious caring for Ellery – and for him. “Yeah I guess I do.”

“Sit down here Ennis.” She patted the surface of the table and sat, setting a large casserole dish next to her with a little click. “Ellery is a very serious detective, Ennis. Wes used to have some really bad fights with him about workin too late at the office an doin too many cases and not having a life of his own. This was after things went all awry with Bill.”

“You knew about Bill too?”

She nodded quietly, her face a firm line. “Neither Wes nor I was happy about Bill from the get go. Call it a feelin, but we had him come by for dinner an all that and took one look at him and knew that he was not good for Ellery.”

“You talk like you an Wes are his momma and daddy, Edna…” Ennis said softly.

“That’s how we look at it, Ennis. An since you are the man in his life it makes you family too, above an beyond yer workin here at the ranch. Yer a good man with a good heart, an Ellery is doin a whole lot better, despite all of this foolishness with Bill. Let me ask you, did Ellery ever mention his mother to you?”

He shook his head. That had crossed his mind more than once, but though Ellery had mentioned his father, he never once said anything about his mother. “Can’t say as he ever has.”

“Not surprised. Ellery was only a little kid then, livin on the Cantrell ranch back before his daddy sold it. His momma got sick when he was a little boy, one a those years when the flu was really bad."

“Maybe 51, I remember that one.”

“That mighta been it. So many people sick they didn’t have hospital beds for all of em. She was pregnant, and she got sick, then his daddy got sick, but she got complications, lost the baby and then died a week later. He has always been sort of a loner, and when his daddy died before he even got ta college, it just made it that much worse.”

“Jesus, didn’t know all a that. He never says nothin about it. I lost both my parents when I was 12, they was in a car accident.”

“That is what you two have in common,” she said, nodding sadly. “Yer both lackin a good bit a motherin I think. We want you an Ellery ta feel comfortable in our home Ennis. We ain’t like those stuck up people you see don’t believe men can love each other like a man an a woman can… I think that’s just silly. We’re all human beings.”

“I think so too Edna, an I appreciate it.”

“Don’t be ashamed about lovin em, Ennis. It’s just as beautiful as any other love relationship.”

“Yes ma’am.” His face was flushed with unexpressed emotions.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 10:51:32 am
Chapter 63:

“Shit, Ennis you know yer birds.”

Ennis laughed softly, a sound that eased Ellery’s anxiety. “Ya know, sometimes, when I think about things like… some freak stalkin queer men an hittin em over the head like that Worrell fellah, all I can think of ta do is ta go out on a horse an ride into the woods, up in the high country, an build a fire, listen to the birds singin an watch em feed… things that are natural, like it’s intended, instead of all twisted an crazy. An it calms me down.” He turned, his eyes still glazed, but not as deeply as before, when he was sitting at the kitchen table. “Ya know what I’d really like ta do?”

“Whassat sweetheart?”

“Go campin. Don’t have ta be in the middle a nowhere, but somewhere quiet, with just the trees an the mountains an the birds an squirrels an stuff… where there ain’t no people around ta fuck everything up.”

“You mean by yerself?”

“No, I mean just us two. Away from all a this… insane shit. Didn’t realize it till I came down from Brokeback last week… how much I miss it… just bein out in the middle a nowhere.”

“I’ll go with ya. Might have ta tote something fer me ta lie on so I don’t end up like a pretzel, but we could do it.”

Ennis’s still face quirked into a soft smile. “You wouldn’t mind? We’d have ta bring our own biscuits cause no ovens out there.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 10:53:37 am
And more from Chapter 63:

Ennis was shaking his head, however. “Yeah, we do. This is the man Jack went ta see…. An he killed someone else the year before…”

“He might be a stalker a queer men, Ennis… an pokin into this … your tellin me ta poke into it an providin that information, has led to enough evidence to arrest em.”

“Yeah. Except… I thought it was all in my head, Ellery…” his voice faded then, and he pushed his plate aside, putting his head down in his hands against the surface of the table. Ellery got up again and put a long hand gently on the back of his neck, stroking the soft curls at his nape, trying to soothe him.

“An now it turns out ta be real.”

“I didn’t want it to be. I wanted it to be some stupid freak accident an no one meant em any harm…”

“Sweetheart, Ennis, it means somethin else too.”

Ennis looked up, his eyes searching.

“It means there was a killer out there who probably lured em to his death, and not some careless act a his. If there is a killer loose an he gets a man in his sights, there probably wasn’t a damn thing he coulda done about it, just like there probably wasn’t nothing those other men coulda done about it either. Just because a man goes to a queer bar doesn’t put him automatically in danger, as the dozens of patrons of the Red Stallion can gladly attest to. But if someone is stalkin…”

“Then there wasn’t nothin he coulda done…”

“Outside a not bein there. But that’s like standin in the wrong place when lightning strikes, Ennis. You can’t ever predict something like that.”

Ennis straightened up in the chair, and Ellery was surprised to see his eyes were dry, his face still. “I understand,” he said quietly.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 11:01:20 am
From Chapter 64:

Ennis drove up to collect Ellery at five on Friday afternoon, freshly showered, and that somber quietude that had settled over him after Ellery’s news on Wednesday seemed, at least temporarily, to lift as he gripped Ellery’s hand when he got into the car.

“You look like the cat who ate the canary, sweetheart, what’s up?”

“Just good to see ya. People came up ta buy one a Wes’s horses today an when they put their little girl on that mare she was all smiles an went canterin off like they was made for each other. They slapped that money down in cash an told me they wanted two more for the two younger girls when their birthdays come in, an personally trained by me.”

Ellery smiled. “Well I guess ya got the gift.”

Ennis nodded. “It feels good ta make people happy like that, ya know?”

“Yeah, somethin I don’t get ta do too much of.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 11:03:21 am
And more from 64:

They went inside, and Ellery headed for the bedroom to strip off his uniform and change while Ennis heated up the chili, which he had prepared the night before. When he came out to the kitchen, in his usual bare feet, denims and t-shirt, he was seized suddenly in the kitchen doorway, Ennis’s mouth urgent on his, and he responded immediately, returning the kiss as Ennis pressed him up against the doorjamb, surprised to find Ennis already aroused, his hips grinding against him, tongue buried in his mouth. When he finally let him up for air, Ellery stared at him. “What got you goin? Edna burn some biscuits or somethin?”

Ennis laughed. “No. I started thinkin...” his voice was raspy, hoarse, as it usually became when he was sexually excited. “I was thinkin... Jack can forgive me now.”

Ellery blinked at him. “Could you say that again slowly?”

“Findin the man who killed em. The police arrestin him. I helped do that. All this time I was blamin Jack for bein careless an goin out an gettin killed... an it wasn’t his fault.” He still held Ellery by the arms, close, his cock throbbing against his thigh. Behind him on the stove, the chili was starting to bubble with little “plut” sounds.

“No, I don’t think it coulda been his fault, Ennis.”

“Then see, it means he might forgive me, since I helped find his killer. An I can be happy now.”

Ellery wasn’t sure what to say in response to that... it sounded like a small part of a long, convoluted thought process that only Ennis himself understood. “Course you can be happy now. Is this havin a hardon while the chili is boilin part a the bein happy part?”

“Oh shit, the chili,” he turned suddenly, bumping into the doorway, acting giddy.

“Slow down cowboy, there ain’t no fire ta rush to.”

Ennis smiled. “I know what I said don’t make too much sense, but you’ll understand. Now I’m sure Jack will forgive me.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 11:21:15 am
Chapter 65:

Ellery nodded. He knew that hunger. It stirred his own lust, deep in his belly, the hunger that made Ennis seize him with both hands and force his body against his, not ceasing the frantic coupling until both were groaning as though in pain, sweating freely, entangled in one another, sated with that fierce, unstoppable pleasure. He knew, from the tension evident throughout Ennis’s body, in every abrupt movement as he ate, that he was primed for it, that the urge to plunder was only temporarily held in restraint, but threatened to burst out at any moment, in response to any provocation, and he shivered, watching him.

“Got a chill?” Ennis asked, between bites of biscuit.

“A bit,” Ellery said, a smile widening on his face.

“Don’t worry, you’ll be warm enough soon.”

“I’ll bet.” He stood, bringing his own dishes to the sink and running water into them, making sure the oven and burners were all shut off. He knew when Ennis finished with one appetite, there would be little delay before he leapt up to sate the next, and he turned, but not before those urgent hands had seized him, pulling him against him from behind.

“You look real good, darlin.”

“Uh huh. Same black pants, same black t-shirt...”

Ennis nibbled on the curve of Ellery’s ear, his arms trapping him around the shoulders, and Ellery moaned softly. “Yer beautiful ta me.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 11:22:31 am
And from the end of Chapter 65:

He rode Ellery with the rapidity of that night on the sofa, the night of the burned biscuits, with the fury of the pent up lust of weeks in the mountains wanting Jack, with the excitement of a suddenly broken virginity in the supreme virgin wilderness... and he felt as he had felt then, that first time – abandoned to a pleasure he could not at that moment deny, nor would he ever forget it, not one nuance, not one moment... it had all returned to him as though it had been lost somewhere, a hidden cache of pleasure that unleashed itself as pure masculine sex. He pumped his hips relentlessly, feeling the unstoppable mounting of orgasmic pleasure, and did not hold back, did not question it any more... it was all right now to let himself go, to love this man as fully and as completely as he had loved Jack... it would be all right now.

He came with a jubilant cry, mixed with a sob of relief and of lingering sadness, the echo of his loss, of Jack’s loss. He would no longer try to forget any of that sadness... he no longer had to deny it, because he no longer felt dragged down into the regret of anger, the bitterness of blame. He collapsed onto Ellery’s warm, long body, reaching around it and holding onto him, his cock still buried deep, soft and wet now, unwilling to let him go or to lose an iota of contact.

“You warm enough now darlin?” he whispered , nuzzling Ellery’s ear, smiling at the answering sigh.

“Plenty warm,” Ellery replied.

Ennis kissed the sweaty nape of his neck, tasting the salt. “You want some dessert?”

“I thought that was the dessert, sweetheart."


L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 07, 2007, 11:27:26 am
Good Morning!

Great quote choices - as always.  Thank you, Leslie.


Quote from: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 10:26:43 am
From Chapter 62....interesting to read this in tandem with "A Small Circle of Friends"

“Ennis,” Edna said, her voice soft, and he turned, hand on the doorknob.

“Whassat ma’am?”

She smiled. “You know you can call me Edna.”

“Sure.”

“Are you ashamed ta be livin with a man that you don’t want ta tell anyone?”

His face turned bright red. “Not… not ashamed exactly. Just – it ain’t any a his business.”

“Wes an I know that you and Ellery are living together as partners, Ennis. Does it upset you that we know?”

“I dunno.” He struggled to look up to meet her eyes.

“I want you to know it doesn’t trouble us a bit. Wes and I love Ellery very much, an we are both pleased ta death that he has found a good man and isn’t a lonely ghost like he was for such a long time. Do you want to know what Ellery was like before you showed up?”

Ennis’s blush faded slightly, and he moved away from the door, lured toward her gentle comments, her obvious caring for Ellery – and for him. “Yeah I guess I do.”

“Sit down here Ennis.” She patted the surface of the table and sat, setting a large casserole dish next to her with a little click. “Ellery is a very serious detective, Ennis. Wes used to have some really bad fights with him about workin too late at the office an doin too many cases and not having a life of his own. This was after things went all awry with Bill.”

“You knew about Bill too?”

She nodded quietly, her face a firm line. “Neither Wes nor I was happy about Bill from the get go. Call it a feelin, but we had him come by for dinner an all that and took one look at him and knew that he was not good for Ellery.”

“You talk like you an Wes are his momma and daddy, Edna…” Ennis said softly.

“That’s how we look at it, Ennis. An since you are the man in his life it makes you family too, above an beyond yer workin here at the ranch. Yer a good man with a good heart, an Ellery is doin a whole lot better, despite all of this foolishness with Bill. Let me ask you, did Ellery ever mention his mother to you?”

He shook his head. That had crossed his mind more than once, but though Ellery had mentioned his father, he never once said anything about his mother. “Can’t say as he ever has.”

“Not surprised. Ellery was only a little kid then, livin on the Cantrell ranch back before his daddy sold it. His momma got sick when he was a little boy, one a those years when the flu was really bad."

“Maybe 51, I remember that one.”

“That mighta been it. So many people sick they didn’t have hospital beds for all of em. She was pregnant, and she got sick, then his daddy got sick, but she got complications, lost the baby and then died a week later. He has always been sort of a loner, and when his daddy died before he even got ta college, it just made it that much worse.”

“Jesus, didn’t know all a that. He never says nothin about it. I lost both my parents when I was 12, they was in a car accident.”

“That is what you two have in common,” she said, nodding sadly. “Yer both lackin a good bit a motherin I think. We want you an Ellery ta feel comfortable in our home Ennis. We ain’t like those stuck up people you see don’t believe men can love each other like a man an a woman can… I think that’s just silly. We’re all human beings.”

“I think so too Edna, an I appreciate it.”

“Don’t be ashamed about lovin em, Ennis. It’s just as beautiful as any other love relationship.”

“Yes ma’am.” His face was flushed with unexpressed emotions.

L


Yes - Ennis has come a very long way - but as we all are - he is a work-in-progress! 

And these particular lines . . .

We ain’t like those stuck up people you see don’t believe men can love each other like a man an a woman can… I think that’s just silly. We’re all human beings.”

“I think so too Edna, an I appreciate it.”

“Don’t be ashamed about lovin em, Ennis. It’s just as beautiful as any other love relationship.”

... are some of my absolute favorites!

I would love to hear Ellery speak more about his parents - his mother in particular.  Recent developments with Jeremy and Nick have also had me thinking - we know Ellery's mom died when he was young, and his dad died before he started college.  So he never had to come out to his parents - but I do wonder if his grandfather knew - and how the subject came up with his surrogate parents, Wes and Edna. 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 11:36:43 am
Quote from: mariez on January 07, 2007, 11:27:26 am

I would love to hear Ellery speak more about his parents - his mother in particular.  Recent developments with Jeremy and Nick have also had me thinking - we know Ellery's mom died when he was young, and his dad died before he started college.  So he never had to come out to his parents - but I do wonder if his grandfather knew - and how the subject came up with his surrogate parents, Wes and Edna. 

Thanks - Marie

That's such a good question, Marie. I think the only time Ellery has mentioned his mother was when they were on Brokeback, planting the flowers around Jack's gravestone. He talked about how she liked flowers and that's how he knew their names.

Another time, he said something about not breaking his father's heart (because he was gay). He also commented that he never got married (or had to get married) because his parents weren't alive to bug him about it.

I would like to know more about what his grandfather thought/knew. Remember there was the summer when he was recovering from his heartbreak with Beagle? And yes, more about Wes and Edna and his sexuality would also be interesting.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 07, 2007, 11:58:41 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 11:36:43 am
That's such a good question, Marie. I think the only time Ellery has mentioned his mother was when they were on Brokeback, planting the flowers around Jack's gravestone. He talked about how she liked flowers and that's how he knew their names.

Another time, he said something about not breaking his father's heart (because he was gay). He also commented that he never got married (or had to get married) because his parents weren't alive to bug him about it.

I would like to know more about what his grandfather thought/knew. Remember there was the summer when he was recovering from his heartbreak with Beagle? And yes, more about Wes and Edna and his sexuality would also be interesting.

L

Oh, yes, the Brokeback trip.  That was so traumatic - not just for Ellery and Ennis - but for me, too!  Ennis in so much emotional pain.  Ellery in so much physical and emotional pain.   :'(

Can't you just picture that gangly, dark-haired, beautiful little boy picking flowers with his mother?   :'(

When Ellery told Wes about his suicide attempt, he said that his grandfather didn't know about it.  He said his grandfather just thought he was grieving from his dad's death.  But our loved ones are so often more aware than we give them credit for, arent' they? 

More to ponder.

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 12:01:36 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 07, 2007, 11:58:41 am
Oh, yes, the Brokeback trip.  That was so traumatic - not just for Ellery and Ennis - but for me, too!  Ennis in so much emotional pain.  Ellery in so much physical and emotional pain.   :'(

Can't you just picture that gangly, dark-haired, beautiful little boy picking flowers with his mother?   :'(

Oh, God, now you have me in tears!

Quote
When Ellery told Wes about his suicide attempt, he said that his grandfather didn't know about it.  He said his grandfather just thought he was grieving from his dad's death.  But our loved ones are so often more aware than we give them credit for, arent' they? 

More to ponder.

Thanks - Marie

Exactly. I would love to know more.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 07, 2007, 01:31:09 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 07, 2007, 11:58:41 am
Oh, yes, the Brokeback trip.  That was so traumatic - not just for Ellery and Ennis - but for me, too!  Ennis in so much emotional pain.  Ellery in so much physical and emotional pain.   :'(

Can't you just picture that gangly, dark-haired, beautiful little boy picking flowers with his mother?   :'(

When Ellery told Wes about his suicide attempt, he said that his grandfather didn't know about it.  He said his grandfather just thought he was grieving from his dad's death.  But our loved ones are so often more aware than we give them credit for, arent' they? 

More to ponder.

Thanks - Marie

What struck me very much in Ellery when he and Ennis were on Brokeback together, was the fact that Ellery even didn't allow himself to feel sad and lonely, thinking of his mother's death. He was angry at himself for feeling the way he did, thinking that he was ruining Ennis's time up there.



and on a more lighter note: this is my 500th post! Yeehaw  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 07, 2007, 02:06:07 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on January 07, 2007, 01:31:09 pm
What struck me very much in Ellery when he and Ennis were on Brokeback together, was the fact that Ellery even didn't allow himself to feel sad and lonely, thinking of his mother's death. He was angry at himself for feeling the way he did, thinking that he was ruining Ennis's time up there.



and on a more lighter note: this is my 500th post! Yeehaw  :)


Congratulations on your 500th post, Fabienne!!!   :)

Excellent point about Ellery's reaction on Brokeback.  He loves his Ennis so much.  That entire trip was such a complex knot of emotions twisting and turning painfully together - just exhausting, really - and so exquisitely written! 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 02:15:53 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 07, 2007, 02:06:07 pm
Congratulations on your 500th post, Fabienne!!!   :)

Excellent point about Ellery's reaction on Brokeback.  He loves his Ennis so much.  That entire trip was such a complex knot of emotions twisting and turning painfully together - just exhausting, really - and so exquisitely written! 

Thanks - Marie

I am looking forward to re-reading it, actually. I find I am picking up so much more on the re-read than I did the first time around.

Fabienne, yes, congraluations. 500  more posts and I get to teach you the secret handshake.

And Fabienne, Louise told me you have a bound copy, covered in notes written in Dutch!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 07, 2007, 02:43:47 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 02:15:53 pm
I am looking forward to re-reading it, actually. I find I am picking up so much more on the re-read than I did the first time around.
L

So true.  There are so many layers - I may have to do some re-re-re-reads!   :)

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 07, 2007, 03:31:10 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 02:15:53 pm
I am looking forward to re-reading it, actually. I find I am picking up so much more on the re-read than I did the first time around.

Fabienne, yes, congraluations. 500  more posts and I get to teach you the secret handshake.

And Fabienne, Louise told me you have a bound copy, covered in notes written in Dutch!

L


tsk, tsk, tsk, Louise, spilling the beans like that! LOL

yes i do, i have been taking notes while rereading and looking up all the words i didn't understand and didn't have time to look up the first time i read the story!  ::)

like: ubiquitous!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 07, 2007, 04:01:52 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on January 07, 2007, 03:31:10 pm

tsk, tsk, tsk, Louise, spilling the beans like that! LOL

yes i do, i have been taking notes while rereading and looking up all the words i didn't understand and didn't have time to look up the first time i read the story!  ::)

like: ubiquitous!

Ubiquitous is a great word. You know another one I like? Eponymous.

Now, Fabienne, teach me a great Dutch word!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 07, 2007, 04:31:59 pm
okay,

how about 'lieverd', that's 'sweetheart', very E & E!  :)


*off to look up eponymous
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 08, 2007, 07:59:24 am
Good morning, re-readers,

Today, Chapters 66-70.


In chapter 66, Ellery's cutoffs make an appearance for the first time!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/45114.html

Today, due to the heat, he put on a red tank top rather than his usual black t-shirt, which showed the flare of his wide shoulders, and a pair of well worn cut off denim shorts he had had for years that were cut at mid thigh. Back when he was with Bill, he dressed this way all the time. He slipped his feet into a pair of flipflops and went in search of breakfast.

Ennis stared as he walked into the kitchen – dressed himself in his usual white t-shirt, denims, and boots. “What the hell is that getup?” he asked, eyeing the length of thigh revealed by the cutoffs, the snug fit over Ellery’s ass as he bent to check the biscuits.

“Feels like it’s eighty out there, sweetheart, I’m dressin the part.”

“You sure you ain’t dressin ta get me hard?”

Ellery smiled sweetly as he came over to the table, cocking a hip flirtatiously. “Well if it does that while it keeps me cool then all the better.”

Ennis ran a hand up through the thin fur on the back of Ellery’s leg, to the fringe of the cutoffs. “You know what they say about legs like these, darlin?”

“Whassat,” Ellery replied, slightly breathless at the slowly stroking hand.

“Those legs go all the way to the top.”

“They sure do,” he laughed. “You got any coffee, Mr Please an Thank You?”

“Yep, I just poured yours. Now sit down an show me them legs.”

Ellery sat, stretching out his legs as requested, crossing them at the ankle, feeling like a swimsuit model for Ennis’s hungry eyes, as he reached for the cigar box on top of the table and drew one out. “You want yer own or you sharin with me?”

“I’ll have one a my own, thank you,” Ennis replied, his eyes travelling over his less-than-dressed lover. “You are a sight, ya know that?”

Ellery nodded as he puffed on the cigar. “That’s why I grew those big hedges, see, so when people drive by on the road they don’t get in accidents when they see me sunnin myself out on the patio.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 08, 2007, 08:48:31 am
Chapter 67 is real hot, I'll let someone else quote that. LOL.

From Chapter 68:

As he made his way to the only unoccupied window table for two, he stopped dead when he saw a familiar muscular figure wearing faded army fatigues and a worn camouflage-pattern hat pulled down low over his brow.

“Uh... Dupree?” he struggled momentarily for the name, and the man’s head shot up, a look of anxiety – or was it fear? – passed quickly and he smiled as he recognized Ennis, rising to his feet to take his hand.

“Hey there, Ennis, good to see a familiar face.”

“Uh... I thought you wasn’t... I mean... what are you doin in here?”

Dupree blushed slightly. “Well you know... the investigation an all. Ellery said we might be doin a stake out down south an I never been in one a these kinda... bars, so I figured I’d get some field experience.”

Ennis found this dedication vaguely disturbing, and he also wasn’t sure whether Dupree was being completely honest with him... wondering if his real reason was to run into Ellery off the job. As if to answer his doubtful look, Dupree pressed on. “Ellery said you work here part time ta help him out. Does he come in on weekends too?”

Ennis shook his head. “Not often. He was here last week ta help out the bartender cause he was shorthanded, but other than that, no. He said he had some work ta do tonight on a trial for next week.” Ennis wondered why he was giving such a long explanation to Dupree, but his speculation was cut off in the next moment.

“Well sit down if ya like, maybe I won’t have ta turn nobody down if I got the bouncer sittin with me,” Dupree smiled, slightly embarrassed.

“You look about as much out a water here as I feel,” Ennis admitted.

Dupree blinked. “I thought maybe you met Ellery here or somethin.”

“Well in a way I did... I only came in one time ta find out how queers lived.” He quirked a slight smile. It felt somehow reassuring to him to talk to a straight man about his discomfort.

“Hey, you want a beer?” Dupree asked.

“I get em fer nothin, I’ll go. You want another?” Dupree nodded, holding out his empty, and Ennis went to the bar.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 08, 2007, 08:50:10 am
More from Chapter 68:

“Here we go. You sure do look nervous, now I know how I look!” Ennis chuckled briefly.

“Sorry. I guess I ain’t gonna do a very good job a stake out if I am this uncomfortable am I?”

“I dunno. Not every queer man likes comin into a queer bar lookin fer fun, there’s always a first time.”

“Yeah I guess so. So you were sayin how you kinda met Ellery here but kinda didn’t....”

“Oh yeah well. That was about six weeks or so ago...” it seemed to Ennis like a lifetime ago that he first saw Ellery come up the stairs of the apartment. Was he really so shy that he would not look him in the eye, then? Was it really only a few weeks ago? “I drove down from Riverton ta find out what a queer bar was like. An... a guy came in all beat up an the bartender had me go look after the kid for the night. Next day he called Ellery in find out what ta do about the assault situation an that’s when we met. I was sorta helpin out for a few days... an that’s when we became acquainted so ta speak.”

“I had the impression the two a you have been together a while. Six weeks huh?”

Ennis blushed. “Well.... we are... livin together.”

Dupree nodded. “So you never went around ta gay bars or nothin? How did you meet guys then?”

Ennis sipped his beer then set it down cautiously. “Didn’t, mostly. I met a boy when I was sheepherdin when I was nineteen... an we... it got serious that summer with us... an it was just him for twenty years. We both got married an ... just saw each other whenever.”

Dupree picked up his own beer, looking vaguely uncomfortable. “So you ain’t... out.”

“No. Well I wasn’t. Since I been here... well, Wes a course knows, an the people in the sheriff’s department. An... my car mechanic....” he smiled a crooked smile and took another sip of his beer.

“Your car mechanic?”

“Yeah. He watches men goin in an out a the Stallion, but won’t come in himself cause he’s afraid it might hurt his business. Saw me one night an then after that he was winkin at me.”

“Oh. Bet ya wanted ta punch em.”

Ennis laughed. “Yeah. I didn’t come ta Laramie fer everyone ta find out I was queer but it’s sorta happenin anyway. But guess I’m gettin a little old ta deny it.”

Reading these exchanges with Dupree are so interesting, in light of what comes later....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 08, 2007, 08:52:56 am
Chapter 69:

He worked until midnight, drinking half a pot of coffee, but by then, feeling like he had gotten the list of evidence straight, and all of the exhibits accounted for with evidence tag numbers, just in case Amos did not, he could straighten him out. He stretched, rubbing his low back, fingers drifting to the tender spot where Ennis had bitten him. That boy has his ways, he thought with a shiver of arousal. He was used to neck nips, but had never had love bites on his body before. It was a new and very exciting element to their growing intimacy, and one he didn’t know the reticent Ennis had in him. Nothin bashful about em now, at least not behind closed doors.

In fact, the fondling on the patio was itself a surprise. Sure, they had high hedges, and as far as they were concerned, Ellery’s patio and yard were virtually sealed off from the world, but Ennis had sat outdoors on the patio rubbing his cock, almost as though he had forgotten those intense inhibitions which caused him to freeze up whenever Ellery slipped and called him “sweetheart” in front of others. He’s changin, and that has to be a good thing, he thought.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 08, 2007, 08:54:36 am
Chapter 69, the shooting begins:

“Who is it?” Ennis said, voice quavering.

“I dunno but we got ta call dispatch, get behind me an get to the phone in the bedroom,” he whispered against Ennis’s ear. Tell em the address, tell em my name, and tell em shots have been fired, approach without sirens, on my say so. An tell em to call Wes Brown on my say so.”

“Okay,” Ennis said, voice rasping dry. He crawled, as instructed through the hall on hands and knees into the bedroom, and dialed 911, repeating Ellery’s instructions..

“Ennis!” Ellery called in a loud whisper.

“Whut?”

“Put some pants an shoes on too, we might need ta run.” He heard Ennis rummaging through his drawer for clean clothes then, and he smiled slightly. Someone shootin at us an he looks fer clean clothes, that’s my Ennis.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 08, 2007, 08:58:29 am
Chapter 70:

A car drove up and Ennis went out to the door. It was Wes, in his Oldsmobile 88. He got out of the car and went up to the open door, barking in through it. “Where is the man on this door? Where is the other cruiser?” Reynolds opened his mouth, then closed it. “Don’t expect Ellery ta run this crime scene Reynolds, he’s the fuckin victim!” He picked up the phone and immediately began issuing orders, Ellery rising out of his chair and going out to the shattered living room and giving him a sheepish grin.

“My hero,” he said softly. Ennis turned to look at him, and he could see the pale, drawn complexion, and it was then it dawned on him that he was seeing Ellery shaken for the first time.

“Good to see you without any unnecessary holes in you, Ellery,” Wes commented, breaking off mid-sentence. “Yes, I said I want someone on this house overnight an yes I’m authorizin overtime so tell Murdoch to get his lazy ass off the dispatch desk and put on his weapon and get over here. Thank you.” He hung up the phone and fixed an eye on Reynolds, who was still holding the needle nose pliers. “Did you call in an APB on the description a the vehicle fleein the scene?”

“I thought dispatch was gonna…”

“Jesus Christ,” Wes said, and picked up the phone again.

Ellery put a hand on Ennis’s elbow. “We can’t stay here. They’re gonna pick this place over an then we got ta find a place ta stay.”

Ennis blinked, glanced around him self consciously. “Shit,” he murmured.

“We could go to the Stallion, it’s loud up there but…”

Wes stopped talking into the phone and said. “You boys are comin up to the ranch with me. This is a serious situation an bound ta get more serious if we don’t make sure nobody can get at ya Ellery. An where is yer body armor?”

Ellery sighed. “Come on Wes.”

“Don’t come on Wes me. Nobody shoots at my chief deputy with a high powered rifle an gets a second chance without him putting on his body armor now git.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 08, 2007, 12:13:32 pm
from chapter 70,

Wes glared at him. “You got any idea who might do this?”

“I been arrestin an testifyin in felony cases against assholes an degenerates fer almost half a my life, Sheriff, where do I begin?”

“Out a state plates I suppose. Uniforms didn’t make out more’n that?”

Wes shook his head. “But we do have a roadblock on the 287 interchange stoppin all trucks that ain’t white or yellow an searchin for somebody with a rifle. Traffic is real light.”

“Like he’s gonna get on the interstate an roar off.”

“Amateurs have been known ta do it,” Wes replied. “It’s all we got. Now you boys get in my car, Edna’s makin some cocoa an I want ya nice an calmed down an safe so we can get on this an find out what the hell happened."


cocoa??  :laugh: Good to see that Wes doesn't easily lose his sense of humour.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 08, 2007, 12:21:08 pm
yeah, cocoa!  Reading back over the sections in this chapter, Wes really does know how to take charge, doesn't he?  I should do some more of that... perhaps in my current story, Wes can take over the reception plans and bark orders at everybody.  Except his lovely spouse, of course!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 08, 2007, 12:41:23 pm
Good Morning All!

Quote from: louisev on January 08, 2007, 12:21:08 pm
yeah, cocoa!  Reading back over the sections in this chapter, Wes really does know how to take charge, doesn't he?  I should do some more of that... perhaps in my current story, Wes can take over the reception plans and bark orders at everybody.  Except his lovely spouse, of course!

Yes! Great idea - Wes taking charge is always a good thing!  :laugh:


Quote from: MaineWriter on January 08, 2007, 08:48:31 am
Chapter 67 is real hot, I'll let someone else quote that. LOL.

Okay!!!!  ;D

To be read while listening to Bad Company's "Feel Like Makin' Love" -

Ellery unzipped the cutoffs, which slid down his thighs easily, and said “Now what?”

“Well now, I guess...” Ennis stepped closer, his roaming right hand sliding around his waist, stroking lightly with his finger tips the line of down beneath his hollow belly, moving steadily downward, slowly, his other hand moving the long black hair aside as his lips brushed the nape of his neck, “we’re gonna make love.”

......

Ennis brought his right hand over and brushed Ellery’s hair away from his face, stroking his head softly as his fingers explored between his thighs, massaging his balls with two fingers, then wandering away, sliding up between the firm cheeks and feeling the sharp heat and sudden pulse of his sphincter, then gripping one lean cheek with his full hand, squeezing, massaging it as he pressed his tongue deeper into Ellery’s pliant mouth, feeling the soft purr of a deep throat moan responding to him, the small movement of his hips as he rose up to meet the random movements of Ennis’s exploring hand, cock throbbing against the sheet, balls tightening in response to the gentle exploration, and as if in answer, Ennis released his ass and slid south once more, gripping his balls, kneading them with soft, insistent strength as Ellery’s hips rolled and bucked slowly, enjoying the manipulation and the gradual arousal he was getting from it. Ennis stroked the hair away from his face, twirling a forefinger lightly around the outer edge of his ear as he tongued his mouth, moaning softly against the deeper, more silent moan of his lover’s throat, enjoying him almost casually, without aim, a slow heat building gradually between them, and he broke the kiss, smiling faintly as he watched his hand stroking Ellery’s balls, the bucking hips and pumping muscles of his ass as he moved rhythmically into his hand.

“I like ta watch ya gettin off...” he murmured, nibbling at Ellery’s lip, and Ellery replied with a low, gutteral moan as his ass rose once again, his balls slipping smoothly through his stroking fingers. “You like this?”

“Yeah,” Ellery whispered, feeling more aroused by the eyes watching him as he thrust into Ennis’s firmly stroking hand, his balls tensing with excitement, making his cock bob with every thrust up and back.

.......

He rode him more gently, this time, the contrast itself like an utterly new experience. He knew Ellery was aching for the next orgasm, and he for his first, but it had to last, just a little longer, just a little longer, his hands tightened over his narrow hips, he looked down, watching the shaft of his cock slid in, again and again, each time perhaps a little faster, his pulse quickening, and they strove together, the tension and pleasure building up until there was no turning back, Ellery bucked up to meet his thrust and he drove into him, once, twice, and the third time his vision dimmed and he pressed against the bite with his thumb, driving once more deep into the suddenly narrow, hot pressure, and exploded, freezing in place as he came, shuddering, with a hoarse-voiced sob, answered by the hard groan of his lover’s responding orgasm.


Yes, indeedy, that was real hot!!!!   ;D


Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 08, 2007, 01:01:03 pm
Wow - so much happens in these chapters!! 

I can't let Dupree's first time in the bar pass without comment:
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 08, 2007, 08:48:31 am

From Chapter 68:

As he made his way to the only unoccupied window table for two, he stopped dead when he saw a familiar muscular figure wearing faded army fatigues and a worn camouflage-pattern hat pulled down low over his brow.

“Uh... Dupree?” he struggled momentarily for the name, and the man’s head shot up, a look of anxiety – or was it fear? – passed quickly and he smiled as he recognized Ennis, rising to his feet to take his hand.

“Hey there, Ennis, good to see a familiar face.”

“Uh... I thought you wasn’t... I mean... what are you doin in here?”

Dupree blushed slightly. “Well you know... the investigation an all. Ellery said we might be doin a stake out down south an I never been in one a these kinda... bars, so I figured I’d get some field experience.”

Ennis found this dedication vaguely disturbing, and he also wasn’t sure whether Dupree was being completely honest with him... wondering if his real reason was to run into Ellery off the job. As if to answer his doubtful look, Dupree pressed on. “Ellery said you work here part time ta help him out. Does he come in on weekends too?”

Ennis shook his head. “Not often. He was here last week ta help out the bartender cause he was shorthanded, but other than that, no. He said he had some work ta do tonight on a trial for next week.” Ennis wondered why he was giving such a long explanation to Dupree, but his speculation was cut off in the next moment.

“Well sit down if ya like, maybe I won’t have ta turn nobody down if I got the bouncer sittin with me,” Dupree smiled, slightly embarrassed.

“You look about as much out a water here as I feel,” Ennis admitted.

Dupree blinked. “I thought maybe you met Ellery here or somethin.”

“Well in a way I did... I only came in one time ta find out how queers lived.” He quirked a slight smile. It felt somehow reassuring to him to talk to a straight man about his discomfort.

“Hey, you want a beer?” Dupree asked.

“I get em fer nothin, I’ll go. You want another?” Dupree nodded, holding out his empty, and Ennis went to the bar.


L


Ahh . . . the moment when Ennis and Dupree first bond!!!  Love it.  It sure is interesting reading these passages after reading "Duprees' Choice" and "Home for the Holidays" isn't it?  And those army fatigues on his muscular body and the camouflage pattern hat (pulled down over his brow) - a great little bit of wardrobe minutia that I love!!!  :laugh:

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on January 08, 2007, 04:28:53 pm
This extract from Chapter 69 prompts another minutiae-type question:

"He stood, stretching a bit once more, and as he did, there was a small explosion of glass behind him and to the right, and a hard thunk as something hit the wall opposite the front window. Ellery dropped to his knees, hand over his head, ducking below the level of the sofa. “Get DOWN! Ennis!”

“What?” Ennis crouched. “What the fuck was that?”

“Somebody shootin! Stay down, below the window. In fact, get in the hall, back up, back up!” He dropped his voice to a harsh whisper. “I got ta get in there an get my gun.” Ellery crawled across the living room as another tinkle of glass and another harsh thud into the wall, a second shot, rammed into the living room wall, causing a picture to fall and shatter."


There have been a number of attacks like this one on Ellery's property in the course of the Saga. Is it possible that Ellery deliberately provokes these attacks from members of the criminal underworld?  By doing this it would dispense with any need to find time for that tedious chore of regularly washing the windows - all he needs to do is call in a glazier to put in replacements! :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 08, 2007, 04:50:38 pm
actually, if you reread more carefully you will know that it was Ennis who replaced the windows!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 08, 2007, 05:29:48 pm
Quote from: louisev on January 08, 2007, 04:50:38 pm
actually, if you reread more carefully you will know that it was Ennis who replaced the windows!

It hasn't happened, yet, so it isn't a matter or re-reading more carefully, just a matter of the re-readers haven't gotten there yet. LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 09, 2007, 08:18:21 am
Hola, re-readers! Today, 71-75...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/46573.html

Interestingly, this answers a question from the other day...Ellery's usual side of the bed is on the right.

Ennis was surprised to find the guest bedroom contained a single double bed, but Ellery, apparently, was not. “Stayed here for a while after I got out a the hospital, Edna waited on me hand an foot.”

“Glad you ain’t in the hospital now, darlin,” Ennis said, closing the door and going over to him, plucking at the thick fabric of the vest, slipping a hand around his neck and pulling him close.

“So am I, sweetheart, so am I…”

They clung together for a long time, Ennis hand smoothing Ellery’s hair, Ellery’s long fingers gripping Ennis’s back, head down on his shoulder, saying nothing. Finally, Ennis plucked at the straps holding his vest, and Ellery began to unbuckle it bit by bit, and they undressed for bed, reluctantly, both of them clearly awkward in Wes and Edna’s house. Ellery climbed into the bed first, taking the usual right hand side, and Ennis after him, reaching for him, and once again they clinched in a chaste, desperate embrace, as if the power of Ennis’s arms could somehow shield Ellery from the next bullet that could smash through the next window he walked past. He whispered in his ear… “wish we coulda been makin love instead a this, darlin,” and was answered with an acknowledging sigh.

“Yeah… I’ll get the windows fixed tomorrow… we can do it tomorrow.”

They clung together, soothing one another with caresses and soft kisses, until hours later, it seemed, as the sky began to lighten, they finally fell asleep in each other’s arms.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on January 09, 2007, 08:36:51 am
Allow me to go ahead and quote chapter 74:

Ellery sat in ominous silence as Ennis gave his report to Wes directly, sitting with Dupree, Edna, and Joe Tooey at the dining room table after he managed to herd Nellie back to her stall once Worrell had been moved and taken by the ambulance.

“So I asked em why he killed em... was it because he was gonna tell his secret -- you know, about bein queer.... an he said yeah, he was a loud mouth salesman an he warned em to keep his mouth shut.”

Wes was not writing... just listening. Ellery stood, abruptly, and paced the length of the room, not smoking his cigar as much as crushing it in his fingers, face pale. “And that’s when you sprung the door open an Nellie kicked em.”

Ennis nodded. "The rifle went off too. I’m real sorry, Wes. I know he could a shot Nellie, but I didn’t know what else ta do.”

Ellery turned, face white, and stared at Ennis. “Coulda shot Nellie? Ennis what the fuck were you thinkin?”

“I was thinkin that we couldn’t just let him take shots at us wherever we go, Ellery, an wait for the next shot ta come, so I went in the barn ta get my rifle.”

“Ennis –“ Ellery said, his voice strangled, and cut himself off at Wes’s warning look.

then,


Ellery looked at him, grey eyes steely. “What a you think?”

“I dunno. Yer upset.” He sat down on the bed. “I’m okay Ellery.”

“Yeah. You know you were so hell bent on my not stickin my neck out lookin for this guy an puttin myself in danger, did it ever occur to you it went the other way too?”

Ennis dropped his eyes, looking at his hands. “Well yeah... but not till after.”

“Didn’t Edna tell ya ta stay in the house? We coulda got the guy Ennis. He was careless an he was comin after us, we coulda got em without you goin out an gettin in the line a fire.” His voice was tight, a voice Ennis had never heard before, and his eyes stung as Ellery let loose on him.

“I’m sorry, Ellery.”

“I can just see all this. A shoot out in a bar when I go ta try to arrest the guy. I’ve got a gun, a vest, a warrant, an you yellin at me because I coulda got killed. I listened ta you, Ennis. I heard ya when you said you couldn’t go through this because a losin Jack.”

“Ellery...”

“But I don’t think you were listenin.” He sat up, his eyes wide, tears wet on his face. “You coulda died today, Ennis. You probably woulda died today, but fate had other ideas. Now I got ta live with that. I love you, Ennis. An my heart aches because a this now.”

“Please, Ellery, I’m sorry...” Ennis said, kneeling on the bed, pulling him into his arms in a tight embrace. “It was... stupid.”

“It was stupid, sweetheart. I ... I can’t stand ta lose you either ya know.”

“I know. I just couldn’t stand the idea a that guy shootin at us.”

Ellery drew back. “Neither could I, but ya handle that a certain way Ennis!”

“I know... but, I saw red.”

“When you see red next time maybe ya can just stop..” Ellery’s voice broke into a sob.

Ennis tightened his arms around him, pulling him down to the bed, letting the violence of Ellery’s grief wash over him, kissing his neck and cheek softly, murmuring to him, “it’s all right, it’s all right darlin, I’m here, I’m sorry...” but he could tell by the hard pang in his chest, that it would take more than hugs and kisses for Ellery to get over what he had done today. Eventually, the sobs ended, and when Ennis looked down at his face, Ellery had finally fallen asleep again, a sleep born of exhaustion and excess stress, and he made a quiet prayer that when he woke again, Ellery would trust him once more.

Oops, it's almost the whole chapter but I like this one very much.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 09, 2007, 09:38:48 am
Thank you, Betty! I am a little behind on my quoting this morning...

This is from Chapter 75:

“Ellery…” Ennis said, the crease between his eyebrows telling Ellery how worried Ennis still was. Ellery smiled faintly at him.

“Don’t let’s talk about it now, okay? Let’s just eat, have some beers. It’s over, sweetheart.”

“Yeah. You sure?”

Ellery nodded, not daring to speak further, for fear of getting back into it. It was useless, really. Worrell had been caught, Ennis was alive and unharmed, the horse was back in her stall…there was only one man who has killed Jack Twist, and he was under police guard at Ivinson, to be arraigned as soon as his ribs set and the doctor cleared him to be moved to the county jail. This much, he already knew. What he didn’t know was when the ache inside him was going to lessen. They rose, and Ennis reached for the door, letting it go as Ellery’s hand slid over his and closed, and he pressed his body against him, one arm reaching around his stomach and pulling him close. “I love you sweetheart,” he whispered, then let his hand go, dropping the embracing arm.

Ennis turned, eyes bright, and looked into the steel grey eyes so close, raising a hand to his face and brushing his cheek with his thumb and forefinger. “I love you, darlin. An I am awful, awful sorry. Please.”

Ellery shook his head once more, his black hair tumbling around his face, making him look young and petulant. “No need, let’s go.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 09, 2007, 09:40:04 am
And a bit more from chapter 75:

“Yeah, I know,” he sighed, staring at the neck of his beer as if it were something he had never seen before.

Ennis was working his way through the sandwiches at a satisfying speed. “You bakin biscuits?”

She smiled, back on familiar territory. “Yep, and fried chicken for dinner. You boys are gonna stay aren’t you?”

“For dinner at least,” Ennis replied, glancing quickly at Ellery. “Wanna check on the horses an such after I finish here. You gonna eat or just stare at it Ellery?”

“Oh,” Ellery said, and stuck the end of his sandwich in his mouth as if he had forgotten why he was sitting there.

“You got ta come with so eat an hurry up, darlin,” Ennis muttered. Ellery raised an eyebrow and turned toward him. Edna smiled.

“I think how you two get along is just wonderful, considerin all you have been through this weekend. Try not ta worry too much, everythin is gonna be okay boys. I’ll leave ya alone now.” She got up and returned to her sanctum, the kitchen, where even now the smell of fresh biscuits was beginning to waft more definitely toward them.

“Smell a biscuits cause anything particular ta stir in you?” Ennis said in a low voice after Edna disappeared into the kitchen.

“Just a bit…” Ellery said, his face not giving anything away.

“Causes a mighty stirrin in me somehow,” he said, munching on another handful of chips. “Come on boy, yer eatin like a bird.”

“Feel like a bird right now, Ennis, my stomach ain’t cooperatin.”

“Okay then, come on, we’ll get some air.” And he hauled Ellery to his feet to drag him out to the stables, once his sanctum and retreat from the busy world of people, and now – the scene of his confrontation with Jack’s killer. He had to tell Ellery what had happened, in his own words.



L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 09, 2007, 11:01:15 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 09, 2007, 08:18:21 am
Hola, re-readers! Today, 71-75...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/46573.html

Interestingly, this answers a question from the other day...Ellery's usual side of the bed is on the right.


Yes, i noticed that too!


and it really was cocoa Edna was serving  :laugh: Well, and something stronger than that of course:

Wes didn’t say more until they were seated in his living room, and Edna offered both Ennis and Ellery a shot of brandy before handing out mugs of cocoa. Ellery downed his in a single swallow, collapsing into one of the recliners.

thought so...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 09, 2007, 01:41:55 pm
Good day, all!  Jumpin' in while eating lunch -

Great quote choices everyone - thanks! 

Aww... poor Ron Royal - I really liked him. 

Poor Ellery!  Poor Ennis!  Oh my - I understand how they both feel.  In talking about the wedding reception, Ellery recently mentioned something about the difficult patches he and Ennis have endured in the past few months - all these chapters are really bringing that back in full force!  Difficult is an understatement!

And Bless Edna and her brandy and cocoa! 

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: richardg49 on January 09, 2007, 04:24:21 pm
Surely we need also to re-read this climactic scene in Chapter 73, where Ennis finally comes face to face with Justin Worrell:


Ennis went into the barn, making his way through the gloom, turning on lights as he passed the stables, pausing at one where a new purchase, whom he had named “Nellie” because he was constantly saying “Whoa Nellie” when she reared, was pawing the floor of her stall impatiently, snorting from time to time. He patted his hand against the inside of the door to calm her, but it seemed to have the opposite effect and he saw her rear, the wide pink rims of her eyes as she glared at him. Nellie was having a hard time with mere confinement in a stall, it would seem. As he got past Nellie’s stall he heard a low sound... the snick of a bolt on a rifle, and a shadow separated itself at the end of the row of stalls.

“Stay right there, boy,” said a low, menacing voice.

Ennis stared into the gloom as Worrell stepped out, moving back against the door of Nellie’s stall, hearing her paw the floor once more in agitation. “What a you want, Worrell ? That’s yer name, ain’t it?”

He saw a flicker of a smile on the pale face, the wisps of blond hair under the wide black brim of his hat, the rifle aimed at his chest. “That’s my name, but I’m askin the questions. Why is Cantrell huntin me?”

“You... killed my man,” Ennis said, throat dry, hand rasping against the door of the stall, a helpless anger rising in him.

Worrell blinked. “Evelyn Wyatt?”

Ennis shook his head. Even at this distance, he could see the resemblance between them – the thin cheeks, the high forehead, but the clothes, the manner, the body language, even the voice and accent, markedly different... “No. Jack Twist.”

A smile flashed as Worrell took a step nearer. “Oh. Blue Eyes. Nice lookin guy, that Blue Eyes. Looks like he never got over ya.... you look a whole lot like me. Who are you, by the way?”

“My name is Del Mar. Ennis Del Mar.”

“Yeah, Blue Eyes an me... Jack you say. Yeah that was his name... nice lookin guy, too bad he had such a big mouth,” the voice chuckled. He seemed unworried, arrogant, almost gloating.

“You killed em.”

“Yeah well, some live, some die. He had ta die. Should know better than ta pick up a loud mouth salesman."

“That why ya did it? Cause you was afraid he was gonna tell yer secret?

The Ennis in the black hat nodded, taking another step closer, rifle still trained on Ennis’s chest. “I told em... an that’s what happens when ya can’t keep yer mouth shut, see, Del Mar. Now you got yer new boyfriend askin questions he shouldn’t ask, diggin around, so I had ta go huntin again. But now yer in the way too, so ---“

Ennis’s hand had tightened on the latch of Nellie’s stall as Worrell stepped nearer, and at his last step, he let the door swing free with a loud “Giddyap!” and Nellie bolted from the stall as Ennis dove behind it and dodged down the row of stalls, away from Worrell. He heard the shriek of the wild yearling, the crash of kicking hooves against the door, and the explosion of the rifle as it went off, a blur of brown color as Nellie dashed down to the opposite end of the stables, pawing at the floor of a far corner, snorting. And silence.

Ennis turned and made his way back, pressing himself against the doors of the stables, and stepped around Nellie’s door as he heard a loud groan. Worrell lay on the floor, blood staining his shirt, the rifle knocked from his hand. He grabbed the rifle, looking down. Worrell was still breathing, but in pain... he looked as if he had been kicked in the ribs – but he was out cold now.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 09, 2007, 09:56:37 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 06, 2007, 04:08:02 pm

Are Drakes produced all over the country or mostly on the East Coast?  I've heard of them, but I think Hostess is more predominate in the midwest.  Hostess also made (or makes) a chocolate hot-dog shaped cream in the center thing - but I can't for the life of me remember what they're called.


So, I am in the grocery store today and I see a display of DRAKE'S CAKES...with ring dings and yodels! I can't resist and buy a box of each. Of course, I get home and my husband pitches a fit...why am I buying this junk food? Never mind that it 28 years of marriage I have never bought a ring ding! LOL.  So I just ate a pair (they come in two-packs) with a glass of wine...not a bad little treat,  I have to say. Brought back lots of old memories....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 09, 2007, 10:52:11 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 09, 2007, 09:56:37 pm
So, I am in the grocery store today and I see a display of DRAKE'S CAKES...with ring dings and yodels! I can't resist and buy a box of each. Of course, I get home and my husband pitches a fit...why am I buying this junk food? Never mind that it 28 years of marriage I have never bought a ring ding! LOL.  So I just ate a pair (they come in two-packs) with a glass of wine...not a bad little treat,  I have to say. Brought back lots of old memories....

L

Okay, this is scary.  My son works part-time in a dollar store and they have weekly "specials"  (usually a name-brand product of some kind) displayed by the register. Guess what was the special this week?  And guess what is sitting in my pantry right now?  DING DONGS!  I don't even remember the last time there was a package of Ding Dongs in my house!  LOL!   I haven't sampled a Ding Dong yet - but I've had a helluva day and I think I will follow suit and have a glass of Merlot!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on January 09, 2007, 11:35:59 pm
Chapter 73 still sends chills down my spine.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 10, 2007, 05:41:11 am
I think you folks have gone insane!  Yodels, Ring Dings, Ding Dongs?  I say, Where's mine?  Oh wait... they all have gluten in them.

I guess I'll be stopping by the DM Markt on my way out today to my friend Jane's house for some of that chocolate covered gluten-free gingerbread... as good as a Yodel any day!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 10, 2007, 07:26:55 am
Good morning, re-readers! Chapters 76-80 today...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/47728.html

From Chapter 76....


Ennis paused at Nellie’s stall, a fresh gash in the wood where Worrell’s rifle had discharged into it, and he brushed the mar with his fingers. “Ain’t never gonna forget what he said, neither. Called em Blue Eyes, the handsome one, like he was some kinda whore or somethin, he couldn’t be bothered rememberin his name... an he said ‘I guess he never got over you cause we look a lot alike....’ "

Ellery nodded, not daring to interrupt Ennis’s train of thought. Ennis got to the end of the line, tossing one of the leftover squares of hay into Nellie’s feed trough. “That’s fer savin my life, Nellie. You ever own a horse Ellery?”

He nodded, looking at the nervous bay.

“Should break Nellie in fer you an we can go out ridin when ya feel better. Buy er from Wes. Never had a horse save my life before.” He clicked to the skittish filly, whose head bobbed up at the sound, and she nickered at him, not getting closer to Ennis’s outstretched hand. “If she wasn’t so wild she wouldn’t a kicked em.”

“An you want me ta ride er?”

“Okay you can ride Pal an I’ll ride Nellie. Can’t very well just sell her off after this... it’s too important.” he made another clicking noise, leaning a bit further over the stall door and Nellie moved closer, the velvety brown nose snuffling over his outstretched hands. “Lookin fer sugar, spoiled girl...” he laughed softly. “Yer a good little darlin though ain’t you, gonna be good fer Ennis next time I put the saddle on ya.” A pink rimmed eye glared at him as though he ought to know better, and he nodded in Ellery’s direction. “You gonna buck off Chief Deputy Darlin over there if he sits on ya? He weighs a whole lot less than me ya know.”

“Not that much less....” Ellery objected, finding himself smiling at last.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 10, 2007, 07:30:38 am
Over on the Laramie Tales thread, we got into a discussion of Ellery and Ennis's need to hold each other. Here is a good example of that, from chapter 77:

“Oh yeah. But we got a couple things ta do before that,” Ellery said, raising his hand and putting it over Ennis’s. “We got some holdin ta do.”

Ennis put his other arm around Ellery and turned him slowly, pulling him in. “Oh darlin..” he said, pushing back his hair, looking into those grey eyes, trying to perceive the ache that lay behind them. “That we do.” Ennis kissed him softly, gently, tightening his embrace, Ellery’s hands sliding up his muscular back, and surrendering his mouth to the gentle, tender kisses... so different than Ennis’s usual dominant passion. He broke off the kiss, looking into his eyes once more... “why we end up doin this in the kitchen... must be a romantic place, come on.” and he tugged on Ellery’s hand, passive and willing, undressing slowly and sitting down together on the bed, evening casting their shadows long through the window. From the bedroom, everything seemed normal, except for the telephone which Ennis had dragged across the floor during the siege late Saturday night. It seemed like a year ago. He slipped his arm around Ellery’s shoulder and pulled him down to the bed, capturing him with his other arm and sliding onto him, kissing the delicate hollow between his neck and shoulder, stroking his forehead and then looking down into his eyes, watching him.

“You like this...?” he asked softly, whispering, brushing his lips across Ellery’s pale cheek.

“Yeah.”

“We ain’t in no hurry are we?”

“Nope...”

Ennis rested his head on the sharp shoulder, fingers toying with locks of black hair, stroking his arm, rubbing across a nipple with his thumb and curling around his hip. “Just holdin you is so nice, darlin... god darlin I love you...” he whispered, a slight cry in his voice.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 10, 2007, 07:32:44 am
More from Chapter 77:

“God I love you,” Ennis whispered softly, mouth against Ellery’s ear, feeling his cock soften and slip out of him, and he pulled off, transferring his weight to his side and pulling Ellery up against him, spooning him.

“I love you too sweetheart,” Ellery whispered, shivering with an aftershock of pleasure as Ennis pulled out. “That was... that was perfect...”

Ennis ran his hand down that narrow torso, over the flare of his hip, thumb brushing gently, lingering on the pink spot where he could still see the small bruises made by his teeth. “That still hurt?”

“In a good way,” Ellery replied, ´voice still soft, husky. “You know what I’m glad about?”

“Hmmm...”

“I didn’t get injured an have ta explain to anybody how that got there.”

Ennis kissed his sweaty nape, pressing briefly against the bite, feeling the full body shiver as he sucked on the flesh of his neck, nipping gently, then letting go as he raised a small welt on his neck, then licked it with his tongue, eliciting small moans of pleasure. “Got bit by a coyote,” he murmured.

“A blond one,” Ellery replied.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 10, 2007, 07:37:25 am
In Chapter 78, we meet Dr. Sampson for the first time...

Forty minutes later he was staring at Dr. Roy Sampson. “You mean ta tell me I roared down here an there ain’t no test?”

“Well they’re workin on one but it ain’t approved. Your vital signs are normal, blood tests won’t be back for a couple of days, but we can’t test for the virus. How long since you have been exposed to the questionable partner?”

“Call em my boyfriend, it won’t kill ya ya know doc.”

“Your boyfriend then,” he winced.

“End a May thereabouts.”

He shook his head. “Unless it is an acute case you wouldn’t see any real physical results for at least a couple of months. And what is his health like? Any way you could get him in for an exam?”

“Healthy as a horse, eats like a pig, strong as an ox...”

“So a regular farmyard I see,” he said sourly. “Any lesions or skin welts?” He eyed Ellery’s lovebite suggestively.

“That’s a hickey.” Sampson looked away. “Ya know, if you weren’t the most decent doctor in this town I’d kick you in the balls an go across the street because a you actin like a spinster, Sampson. You’ve known for the past twenty years I’m queer so stop actin like it's some big disgustin surprise.”

“I’m sorry, Ellery, it just isn’t my normal line a business.”

“It is if yer a doctor. You know I looked this up. You know how many people have died a this already?”

“Yes. We get the reports every week from the CDC.”

“Well then stop bein an old woman about it. Now if I bring em in here for an exam can ya be delicate, discreet an not throw up about his bein queer, or do I have ta bring em ta Cheyenne or Denver or some place where doctors don’t think bein queer is a social disease?”

Sampson frowned. “Bring him in. Do you know how long since he was exposed?”

“I don’t know that he was. If he caught the AIDS it would a been well over two years ago because that’s when his parter was murdered. Yeah you heard me,” he said when Sampson startled. “Imagine that, a queer gettin murdered.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 10, 2007, 08:17:01 am
Chapter 79....oh, this hurts....

“Is three days gonna make a difference in this moment a truth scenario, Wes?”

“Why three days?”

“Because I would like ta give em what he asked for. Ta go campin with em an get away from all this shit, an thinkin about Jack’s death an lookin down a rifle barrel an slugs comin through my front window an both of us almost bein dead an the long trial ahead. Then you can hit em with all this shit when we get back. Or I can.”

“I don’t think it’s a good idea ta put it off, Ellery.”

“An I don’t think it’s yer call Wes. It’s my call. An I wish for about six minutes or so you could let up on playin my Dad an be my boss, the same boss that set us both out ta have a nice little couple a days so we could cool down from the shit we already knew happened, before we deal with all the shit that is happenin afterward.”

Wes glared. “Ellery... “

“I ain’t tellin you, Wes. I’m beggin you,” Ellery’s hands shook, and as he put his hands on Wes’s desk, his voice cracked with strain. “Ennis can only take so much. Do you know what that asshole told em? He said some gotta die, an Jack was one a the ones that had ta die. Actin like he was an avengin angel a god or somethin. Can you imagine if someone had killed Edna on a dark road one night, an you were thousands a miles away an didn’t know what happened... for years an years, an then finally you get the courage ta move on an find someone you can hold on to, an naggin in the back a yer head is that one little fact... that you don’t know what happened ta the love a yer life, your sweetheart till death do ya part... an then one day he shows up outta the blue an points a gun in yer face an says ‘She just had ta die because some gotta die...’ you’d be about goin insane about now. Don’t twist the knife, Wes. Ennis can’t take any more a this. He needs a break from it.”

Wes heaved a long sigh, looking Ellery in the eye. “I don’t like it. But you got three days, Ellery. Now let’s bring ya home so you can get started kickin in yer livin room wall.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 10, 2007, 09:38:42 am
Chapter 80:

Wes cleared his throat. “How you feelin, Ennis? I read over yer statement. It must a been real hard, hearin Worrell say those things about... Twist.”

“Wes, it’s a little uncomfortable sayin this to you, but maybe it’s time. Edna told me you know all about me an Ellery an us livin together like we do, an that it isn’t some horrible embarrassment to ya.”

“That’s right Ennis. I wouldn’t a hired you if I thought bein queer was wrong or bad, an I sure wouldn’t have Ellery as my top man right now. Which I think sort a proves my point that I’m right.”

Ennis smiled briefly, nodding. “I mean ta say.... I was close with Jack for a hell of a long time. We was... I loved em, Wes. I can’t even think about what that Worrell said about em without wantin ta beat his face in till he can’t say nothin anymore. He had no right ta take Jack... “ he turned his face away, his eyes stinging with tears. “He had no right ta take my Jack away from me.”

“No, he didn’t. An if we can we’re gonna prove that the legal way an he is gonna pay for his crimes against you an against Ellery... an against Jack an however many other men... he harmed.”

Ennis nodded, momentarily mute as he struggled to get control of himself. “It’s... it’s gonna take a while Wes. An havin ta sit in a court an see that face again is gonna be hard for me. I don’t want ta think about doin that just now, if that’s all right with you.”

“Sure it is, son.” Wes reached over and clapped a large hand on Ennis’s quaking shoulder. “I want you boys to relax an rest a bit an stop thinkin about this, cause we got everythin in good hands..."

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 10, 2007, 09:41:18 am
And more from Chapter 80:

“You got this all thought out.”

Ennis wiped his face with a wet washcloth. “I been thinkin about whereabouts here ta camp ever since Wes asked me ta go work for em, Ellery.”

“Wow. I guess we shoulda done this sooner.”

“I think we was too busy fuckin an bein chased by Bill to worry about campin.”

“True enough. Listen Ennis, I wanted ta tell ya... any time you feel like you got ta talk about Jack... I can’t really imagine what it was like with Worrell showin up like this after the investigation seemed to have cooled down an all...”

“Thank you Ellery. I always tell myself it’ll just make you mad or maybe I’m comparin ya.”

“Pretty small a me if I feel like I’m competin with a dead man, Ennis.”

“I know but yer only human. I think about how I might feel if ... say you were with Bill an somethin had happened to em before things went bad... I think every time you said the name I might see red....”

“I said it’s okay. Better you talkin about em than thinkin about em an thinkin I’m gonna get mad. If it bothers me I’ll tell ya.”

“Fair enough. Then yeah I got a little talkin ta do about Jack, somethin I can’t ever tell his momma an it makes me feel real guilty right about now ta think about it. I think I might feel better waitin till we get outta here though an just sit an relax an have a drink out in the back a beyond, an then ask his forgiveness all over again.”

“Forgiveness?” Ellery cocked an eyebrow.

Ennis nodded, coming out of the bathroom and reaching a hand for Ellery as though to steady himself. “Yeah. Cause right now all I feel about Jack is mad as hell he ever met that crazy sumbitch that killed em.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 10, 2007, 02:44:33 pm
Great quote choices as always, Leslie! 

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 10, 2007, 08:17:01 am
Chapter 79....oh, this hurts....

“An I don’t think it’s yer call Wes. It’s my call. An I wish for about six minutes or so you could let up on playin my Dad an be my boss, the same boss that set us both out ta have a nice little couple a days so we could cool down from the shit we already knew happened, before we deal with all the shit that is happenin afterward.”

Wes glared. “Ellery... “




L

Well, I guess it's true that the more things change the more they stay the same - fast forward several months and Wes and Ellery are having a different version of the same conversation!  And, yeah, it still hurts!


Quote from: MaineWriter on January 10, 2007, 07:37:25 am
In Chapter 78, we meet Dr. Sampson for the first time...

Forty minutes later he was staring at Dr. Roy Sampson. “You mean ta tell me I roared down here an there ain’t no test?”

“Well they’re workin on one but it ain’t approved. Your vital signs are normal, blood tests won’t be back for a couple of days, but we can’t test for the virus. How long since you have been exposed to the questionable partner?”

“Call em my boyfriend, it won’t kill ya ya know doc.”

“Your boyfriend then,” he winced.

“End a May thereabouts.”

He shook his head. “Unless it is an acute case you wouldn’t see any real physical results for at least a couple of months. And what is his health like? Any way you could get him in for an exam?”

“Healthy as a horse, eats like a pig, strong as an ox...”

“So a regular farmyard I see,” he said sourly. “Any lesions or skin welts?” He eyed Ellery’s lovebite suggestively.

“That’s a hickey.” Sampson looked away. “Ya know, if you weren’t the most decent doctor in this town I’d kick you in the balls an go across the street because a you actin like a spinster, Sampson. You’ve known for the past twenty years I’m queer so stop actin like it's some big disgustin surprise.”

“I’m sorry, Ellery, it just isn’t my normal line a business.” . . .



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If Dr. Sampson could only see into the future.  Another one of those conversations that take on a new light.

Thanks!  Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 11, 2007, 07:56:03 am
Bonjour mes amis! Today we finish Looking for Answers, with Chapters 81-84....

http://louisev.livejournal.com/48930.html

From 81:

Ennis looked up and into Ellery’s eyes. “Why do I get the feelin that you an Wes an Edna are standin by watchin me ta see if I’m gonna explode or eat a gun or somethin?”

“Cause a what happened in that barn, Ennis.”

“What happened in that barn weren’t any worse than gettin a postcard marked ‘deceased’, Ellery. An I’ve known for three weeks or so already that somebody killed Jack. All that happened is I met the sumbitch an he told me he done it.”

“Yeah.”

“And... that doesn’t make me somebody different. Just sadder, maybe more angry, goin over in my head, how could Jack a met someone who was so dangerous he’d fuck a man an then kill em?”

“Most a those sumbitches don’t come with a warnin label, Ennis.”

“Yeah well. It don’t keep me from wonderin an it don’t keep me from bein mad about it.”

“He wasn’t the only one who went for em. Worrell was pickin up guys left an right at the Lone Star bar an nobody else was the wiser. Jack wasn’t no different.”

“No I suppose not...I guess I’m tired.” He heaved himself back up and began to undress, Ellery watching him. “Never thought I would see you strip down outside like that Ennis.”

“Well get a good look, been doin it fer years. We’re half a mile from the last two campsites an there ain’t no one in em and not likely ta be till tomorrow afternoon or Friday if that.” He unfastened his belt and slid out of his clothes, standing naked in the cool late morning breeze.

“Nice view here,” Ellery commented. Ennis gave him a little smile. “Well if ya like ya can join me, I’m gonna try out yer bed.” And he stretched out inside the small tent, opening the opposite flap to let the air flow freely through it, putting his arms behind his head.

Ellery watched him as he finished off the stub of his cigar, not wanting to waste it, and then stripped off his own clothes and brought them into the tent. By the time he settled down next to Ennis, he was fast asleep.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 11, 2007, 08:05:44 am
Chapter 82, the news about Worrell being sick with AIDS comes up:

“That’s what the doctor said, Ennis. I really did not want ta ruin our good time by bringin this up because frankly, I think Wes is spittin in the wind. We got no reason ta believe Worrell was even sick when he met Jack, an mighta got it later. He was a real player... it coulda happened anytime.”

“An I ain’t been sick. So what did the doctor say ta do?” he said, voice soft.

“Said he would try ta get in on the testin trials an get us tested, an he should examine you for signs a illness. But that was all.”

“I ain’t sick Ellery. Believe me if I was sick I’d know it. I use my body all the time, I know how strong it is an if I was gettin something I’d know. Had flu once when I was twenty and knocked me on my ass, so when I get sick, I know it.”

“I don’t think yer sick either.”

“Then I’ll go ta this doctor then an then we get tests.”

“If we hadn’t already been fuckin like bunnies since May it might a been wise ta use condoms, but if you got it you’ve already passed it on ta me, I figure.”

“I ain’t sick.”

“Ennis, I know. I was hopin if I sat here naked long enough ya might get some ideas...” Ellery looked up at him, a plaintive smile flickering at the sides of his mouth.

“You still want me ta fuck you even if I got the AIDS?”

“Damn right, sweetheart. An now rather than later.”

Ennis backed out of the tent and stood up. “Then get on yer knees an I got ta go find the Vaseline.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 11, 2007, 08:11:16 am
Chapter 83 is full of hot goodness, I'll let someone else quote that...LOL

Chapter 84, the bathing beauty line, another one of my favorites...

Ennis nodded, wading back up to the shore, and grabbed a towel, rubbing his hair vigorously and wrapping it around his waist, then turned to watch Ellery wade out, thinking as he did how much he wanted to rush back down into the water and seize him right then, force him down in the middle of the chill stream and take him again...he turned his eyes away, forcing back the wild urge. What got inta you boy, yer like a teenager again, every hour got the urge ta poke em again. His breath caught in his throat. There was something about the camp, the chill urge of the water, the freedom of nature, that had got to him, that drove him to an almost uncontainable lust.

He hurried into his clothes and then began to saddle up the horses, as Ellery moved more slowly up the bluff, rubbing his hair, watching Ennis move efficiently to get the horses ready to ride. “What’s the hurry Ennis?” he asked, puzzled, coming up behind him as he tightened the belly rope on Pal’s saddle, the big mare whickering softly. “Gonna rain soon or somethin?”

“Jest want ta get ridin,” Ennis turned, taking in the view of his tall lover, nude and wet, and took a breath. “An unless you put somethin on you might end up hog-tied in that tent on yer knees again.”

“Oooh...” Ellery said, teasing, but moved off to put his clothes on, watching Ennis out of the corner of his eye as he slid blanket and saddle on Socks, letting down the stirrups for Ellery’s longer legs. Ellery was a darn sight taller than Jack...as he loosened the buckle he realized the last person who had ridden Socks using this saddle... was Jack. He realized then, with a small pang in his chest, that part of his feeling of urgency to go out and camp, was to bring the memory of Jack closer to him, closer to both of them, so that Ellery could experience a little bit of what he felt for Jack, in the setting where Ennis felt most like himself.

He hoisted himself up onto Pal, leaned over to unhitch her bridle from the tether he had put on the oak tree and clicked at her, tugging gently on the rein to make her turn. “You about ready ta go, bathin beauty?” he said, as Ellery ran a comb through his hair and gathered it into an elastic band.

“Yep, Socks is it? Okay Socks, you got yerself a cripple here so you better tread lightly,” he said as he swung his leg up and over, straightening one knee as he eased into the saddle and took the rein in his left hand, patting her neck softly as he let her get used to him. “Lead on, Coyote Man,” he joked, and Ennis gave him a smirk as he clicked for Pal to take the lead and they headed out of the campsite onto the beaten trail that led them south and west, roughly following the Platte.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 11, 2007, 08:14:31 am
And this volume ends with these closing paragraphs from chapter 84:

“What a you thinkin about?”

Ennis raised his head, blinking as he focused once more on the trail ahead, Ellery riding alongside.

“Thinkin bout Jack,” he said, letting out a brief sigh.

“Must be hard ta miss em so badly,” Ellery said.

“It’s bad and it ain’t bad. Just thinkin about the good times when we was campin. Got to have some new good times ta think about, that’s all. Ta put with the old ones. Been too long since I been out with the horses, havin good times with my darlin.”

Ellery lowered his head, saying nothing. He had told Ennis this... so that he would feel free to express the pain and grief of his loss, but also, to express the pleasure he had had from the trips he had made with Jack. It was something of a compliment to him, that Ennis would do this, too, bring him out to a campsite, make love, go riding. It elevated him, in a way, to the stature of Jack in his mind... that he was at last worthy to share the sacredness of his private world with Ennis at last.

They turned back shortly afterward, Ellery built a fire with some of the plentiful kindling and a section of log that he fed in a bit at a time as the flame caught it, and they feasted on cold biscuits and grilled hamburgers, a tin of creamed corn. Afterwards they drew together in the evening chill, and made love under a brilliant canopy of stars, the sweat of their coupling making them shiver together in each others’ arms, and through the cool, quiet night they clung together, leaving the anxieties of their new life, the pain of the days past, and their old losses, behind them, fading temporarily in the summer twilight. There would be time to worry about everything else when they returned.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on January 11, 2007, 08:38:40 am
So, we finish re-reading Book Two.  Apart from re-reading the chapters, I also find reading the comments on each chapter fascinating - that's a plus from reading the print-out I have done for the books.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 11, 2007, 09:10:22 am
Happy Thursday, everyone!  Thanks again for the great quotes, Leslie!

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 11, 2007, 08:11:16 am
Chapter 83 is full of hot goodness, I'll let someone else quote that...LOL
L

Okay, okay!  I can take a hint!  LOL!!!  So - from Chapter 83:

“Tell me ya like that...” he said, scraping the edge of his teeth against the tense muscle of Ellery’s shoulder, lapping with his tongue as he worked his balls, his own cock rigid and ready...

“Oh lord, sweetheart, I like that...” Ellery replied, his voice low and husky, grunting as he bucked back up. “Gimme yer cock boy...” he whimpered.

“Not yet, we got time, we got time...” Ennis murmured, nipping his shoulder softly and then licking it, and then fastening his mouth on his shoulder blade, sucking hard as he pressed hard against his ass, groaning deep in his throat. He felt his ability to hold back slipping on him. He straightened up and let go of Ellery’s hip, dipping his fingers in the Vaseline and moving off him, dragging his lubricated fingers up his perineum and then entering him, slow and relentless, rewarded by the fierce tightening of Ellery’s balls in his hand as his fingers opened him up, and smirked as the man beneath him arched and bucked against the fingers. “Yer hungry fer it...”

“Please...” came the prompt response, and Ennis responded by driving his fingers in deeper, giving him a smooth, vigorous finger fuck, feeling a sense of power and joy come over him in that moment, sliding his left hand up and over the rigid shaft of Ellery’s cock as it stabbed the air, bringing it under his control with a hard grip. “Fuck my hand boy, fuck it till ya come...” and was answered by a whimpering moan as Ellery’s hips pistoned, obeying the driving thrusts into his sphincter, and the demanding grip of his stroking hand, his hands gripping the edge of the mattress in a rigid hold, thrusting hard now against the rough surface of Ennis’s hand until his orgasm burst out of him, sudden as a mountain storm, his sphincter tensing in a series of short spasms as his cock spurted out his release.

“Oh... sweetheart....” he moaned softly, lowering his head onto the pillow as Ennis slid his fingers out of him, in the next heartbeat, pressing his wet cock against him, pressing him open once more and sliding in with a satisfied grunt. To him, nothing felt better than penetrating Ellery when he had just come, the hard twitches inside him heightening every movement of Ennis’s cock as he sank in gradually and firmly, holding his hips with each hand to keep him from bucking up or sliding down.

“Now’s time,” Ennis murmured, throwing his head back, and began to thrust, hard and deep, remembering without anguish that cool spring night when he had Jack down on the floor of this tent, smiling widely, watched his fist pound the floor as his orgasm mounted thrust by thrust... oh yer gonna feel it this time, boy, he thought, pulling back on the slender hips and ploughing in, sweat streaming down his muscular back, striving with his whole body, his whole being, to prove that this was good and right... that nothing would stop it, nothing would stop them, not even Justin Worrell.

He came with a wild cry, which echoed slightly off the rocks of the bluff, then by the wild moan of release as Ellery came again from his final violent thrusts, and Ennis released his hold on his hips, slipping his arms around Ellery’s slim torso as he pulled him down into a spooning hug, cock still hard and throbbing inside him, teeth clamping onto the tender flesh at the nape of his neck in a short, hard bite. “Oh darlin,” he growled through gritted teeth, then let go.

They relaxed together, Ennis inevitably slipping out as he softened, and pulled Ellery into his arms, nuzzling his ear, lapping at the new bite at the junction of his shoulder, smoothing his hair back as he looked down at him with molten brown eyes. “I love you ya know... ain’t nothin gettin in the way a that.”

“I know Ennis, I know.” Ellery raised a hand and stroked his pale cheek. “That was great.”

“You like doin it outdoors?”

“Yeah... only one problem,” Ellery replied.

“Whassat?”

“I got bit by that coyote again.”


Damn!  Hot goodness is right! 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 11, 2007, 10:55:46 am
Re-readers, do we want to dive in right away (tomorrow) with A Second Chance? Or take a few days off? Let me know, I am raring to go, myself....

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 11, 2007, 07:51:19 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 11, 2007, 10:55:46 am
Re-readers, do we want to dive in right away (tomorrow) with A Second Chance? Or take a few days off? Let me know, I am raring to go, myself....

Leslie

I'm raring to go, too, Leslie!   :)

Thanks!  Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 12, 2007, 02:49:58 am
A few days off?  :-\


Na, let's just continue. I haven't been without E & E for one day since i started reading back in June...
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 12, 2007, 08:16:14 am
Good morning re-readers...let's dive in! A Second Chance, chapters 1-5 today.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/50230.html

Chapter 1, we start off with some extreme hotness:

Ellery had made dinner, since Ennis had laid camp, and in the sticky heat, stripped down afterwards to take a dip in the still-icy stream. It was then that the desire struck him, and Ennis went over to his horse tack and grabbed the coil of his lariat, taking advantage of Ellery’s turned back before he launched a coil and it splashed into the water before tightening on his shoulders.

“Hey there, what are you, goin fishin with a lasso, boy?” Ellery said, turning as Ennis stood, feet apart, tugging slightly.

“You c’mere, I caught ya fair an square.”

“Shit Ennis I ain’t washed my hair yet.”

“I said c’mere, bathin beauty, I need ya,” He tugged again, gently, on the lariat, and Ellery pulled back on the length tugging him, yanking it free and diving in the water. He stood, frowning, reeling in the rope, and sat back down, lighting a cigar and taking a sip of whiskey before drawing a mouthful of flavored tobacco. Ellery had to get out sometime.

It was about fifteen minutes later, Ellery finally emerged, streaming water from his dark hair, shivering, that he climbed onto shore, and Ennis launched the lariat at him again, this time tightening the rope around arms and belly, and stood up, tugging him close. “I told you... I caught you fair an square, boy,” he said, holding his arms behind him, using the end of the lariat to lash his wrists together with multiple loops, and Ellery’s head flew up and around.

“Ennis what are you ---“

“I told ya I’d surprise ya some time, an now’s the time...” he said matter of factly, and as Ellery glanced at his face, he saw the molten expression of lust in those brown eyes, responding with a bolt of pleasure and excitement that stiffened his cock as he was marched to the tent, hands tied behind his back. “Get on yer knees,” Ennis ordered, a growl in his whisper as he spoke close to Ellery’s ear, and he dropped slowly, knees hitting the comparative softness of the air mattress, and he looked up from behind a screen of wet, dripping hair as Ennis unbuckled his belt and pushed his denims off his hips, stepping out of them, cock hard and ready. He held his cock in one hand, stroking it casually, while he unbuttoned his shirt, hunched over under the canted canvas roof, examined the tightness of the knot holding Ellery’s wrists before pressing his cock close to his mouth. “Now suck me.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 12, 2007, 08:29:08 am
chapter 1: extreme hotness indeed  :o


which led to Ennis thinking and feeling guilty about Jack again and Ellery reassuring him.

Ellery put a soft caress on his arm, looking down at him in the haze of brilliant sunlight and smoke, and said “Jack loved you, Ennis. He loved you with all his heart. An lovin you, he would want you to be happy for the rest a yer life. That much I know. If Justin Worrell had put a slug through my chest that night an I died right then, I would come back from the grave an haunt yer dreams ta tell ya ta get up an get over grievin me an go on and find someone else. Because love ain’t no jealous thing... an I don’t believe he would want you to suffer or be alone for his sake. An neither would I. I ain’t kiddin on this boy. You think on that.”

Ennis nodded, gulping down the lump that had risen in his throat. “You think... you think Jack loved me.”

“He wrote it in yer fuckin letter. Where is that letter?”

“Home, in the book.”

“Then you get home an open that letter up an see what he said back all those years ago, that he loved ya and couldn’t bear to be apart from ya. You think on that because I for one believe it.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 12, 2007, 09:07:27 am
Chapter 2, a little humor, and another picture to retrieve from the archives:

“Is that the sultry voice of my chief deputy I hear swearin like a sailor in the squad room?” the voice of Wes Brown rumbled out of his office. “Judge Worrell is bringin another motion an I want you in court tomorrow mornin.”

“Oh fuck me sideways!” Ellery exclaimed.

“No thank you,” Wes said. “Dress nice for it. Dress – like that.” he pointed.

Ellery looked down at his dress blacks. “I intend to. Anythin wrong with the way I dressed for last week’s motion?”

“Amos commented that you were out a regulation uniform an it reflected badly on the department.”

“Fuck him, what out of regulation uniform?”

“Blue socks.”

“Wes, I just had Justin Worrell tell me he thinks I fantasize about him in bed. Do I need ta be talked to about blue socks?”

“If you want off this case, which you argued so passionately to be put back on, I will gladly put you on the Robinson theft investigation again an your competent understudy with the bran muffin in hand can forge ahead with our murderer.”

“No, I was just sayin.”

“Sayin you’ll wear black socks tomorrow, an don’t give Amos any additional excuses fer callin me up because it makes me want ta strangle em, an that wouldn’t be good for my chances a reelection.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 12, 2007, 09:08:32 am
And a little more from Chapter 2:

Ellery pulled out of the parking lot of the sheriff’s office, and headed for Dr. Sampson’s. He had just gotten approval for a clinical trial of the AIDS test, and Ellery and Ennis were his field subjects.

Ennis was already parked outside the clinic, smoking the last of a Havana blunt as Ellery pulled in. His face was drawn. They had agreed weeks before that if Sampson got approved for testing them, they would have it done together. The difficult part was wondering what would happen if one of them were positive and the other, negative, which might mean some difficult choices for them in facing the future. While unlikely, the possibility was always there, and loomed between them, even during their long weekends in the mountains, their leisurely horeseback rides, their nights of lovemaking... the looming anxiety represented by the test that they had yet to take.

Ellery had hoped for an information solution: that Justin Worrell would explain when he first got sick, whether and when he had slept with Jack Twist, but so far the taciturn, volatile prisoner had given him no useful information, only infuriating taunts meant to cause Ellery to lose his temper, disorganize the investigation, and mislead him as much as possible. The only real source of information they had, was their own bodies, which remained persistently healthy. And Ennis’s health, more than any other fact, had been their only real reassurance as the news about AIDS grew worse and worse week after week, crowding out almost all other news on the radio, television, and newspapers. The gay plague had arrived in force.

“You ready ta go in?” Ellery said as he came over to Ennis and took his hand, squeezing it slightly. Ennis did not pull away... after three months living together in Laramie, such gestures of casual intimacy had grown on him to the point where he no longer shied at a casual touch between them. He didn’t even look over his shoulder, returning that brief gesture of greeting and support, he nodded.

“Might as well. It ain’t goin away, so we might as well go face it.” And they walked into Dr. Sampson’s office together.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 12, 2007, 09:12:23 am
Chapter 3:

Ennis came in the house, a cold, still look on his face which meant only one thing: someone had pissed him off.

“Uh oh. Did Nate say somethin?”

“Yeah he did. An he is damn lucky I didn’t tear up his fuckin business cards in his face.”

“What’d he say?”

“He said I had a nice sweet tight ass. Goddammit it Ellery.”

“Are you denyin the truth of the man’s words, Ennis?” Ellery said, unable to suppress a grin.

“It’s none a his goddamn business what my ass is! An he knows... he knows I’m taken.”

“Maybe he’s just givin ya a compliment. Other men have said that at the bar haven’t they?”

“Yeah but we weren’t in no queer bar. We were standin right out in the open!” He threw down his hat and slumped into the chair. Ellery came over and perched on the table, reaching out a hand to pat his knee.

“Just tell em next time that he’ll never know just how nice an tight yer ass is cause it belongs to the Sheriff’s chief deputy, how’s that?”

“I ain’t gonna say that.”

“If ya do it might discourage em. An it would really please the hell outta me.”

“Maybe.”

“You need a drink Ennis, you know the real reason yer upset.”

“Stupid fuckin blood test. Fuckin Denver. Why we got ta go to Denver?“

“Right. That’s the reason. Because they’re experimenting.”

“I don’t know if I want ta be part a no fuckin experiment on queers.”

“They’re just testin our blood. Try ta relax. Here.” Ellery rose and poured him a shot of Glenfiddich, handing it over. Ennis took it without answering, sipping on it, giving Ellery a brooding glance.

“Yer plyin me with alcohol.”

Ellery brightened, giving him a small nod. “How’s it workin?”

“Keep it up, boy, it might work.”

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 12, 2007, 09:21:09 am
Chapter 4, more hotness!

“Here, let me get ya a bit more comfortable, it’s hot in here ya know...” Ellery said, leaning over and unbuttoning Ennis’s shirt, sliding his fingers beneath it... “Oooh no t-shirt,” he murmured with delight, rubbing his thumb over the suddenly-puckered nipple and Ennis’s back straightened.

“Oh yer gettin me riled...” Ennis whispered, emptying the shot glass with a quick gulp, his hand coming around Ellery’s back and pulling him closer, just as his left hand was pushing back the light cotton of his white dress shirt and pressing firmly against his other nipple and his lips descended on Ennis’s collarbone.

“Yep... but I got a special request for ya, sweetheart... you were so good about the lariat an all...”

“Want me ta tie ya ta the bed this time?” Ennis rasped, head falling against the back of the sofa as he felt the soft wetness of Ellery’s lips zone in on his left nipple, sucking deeply before letting go, and he looked up.

“Nope... I want ta fuck you again, Ennis. From on top. On yer knees.”

“Ohhh....” Ennis breathed, a shiver going through him at the words, on yer knees.... and his arousal became obvious moments later, Ellery’s long fingers working open the buckle on his denims and unzipping him.

“I’ll make it real good for ya, I figured I could give you a good tonguin first of all to get you loosened up, an make you come real good...” he lapped at the nipple between words, his right thumb pressing the top of his cock as it pressed against his drawers, aching to get out, "an once yer all nice an muzzy then slide in an give you a real smooth ride, whattaya say, cowboy?”

“Yeahhhh just... be careful...”


and then, at the end...

“Well?” came the soft challenge, accompanied by the flash of steel grey eyes in the gloom. Ennis handed the cigar over, exhaling loudly.

“That was ... that was amazin.”

“Glad ta know I haven’t forgot how,” Ellery said, inhaling. “Guess it’s like ridin a bicycle.”

“It ain’t like ridin a bicycle,” Ennis replied.

“Well no, it is a whole lot more fun than that. An yer reputation is intact, sweetheart."

"Reputation?"

"Yeah, fer havin a nice sweet tight ass."


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 12, 2007, 09:25:17 am
A little more humor from Chapter 5:

“Not to change the topic off the essentials of my footwear, but did you cross swords with Sampson?”

“I did. An he said that he made a call ta get em to hurry up an you should plan to have the phone screenin tonight or tomorrow night, an make arrangements ta go down to the University a Colorado Health Sciences Center within the week after the screenin call. An I failed ta get mountains ta move ta avoid all that so you can take a couple a days off with Ennis ta go do it.”

“’ppreciate it, Wes. An I would also ‘ppreciate it if you talked ta Sampson about gettin a little more live an let live about queer men. We are his patients an he is the best in this town an it really gets our back up when he flinches every time somethin comes up about anal intercourse or homosexual sex contact.”

“He’s an old world doc.”

“Yeah, an old world docs have been pullin blood-an-gore soaked infants outa women’s cooches for hundreds a years without gettin nauseous, so they can sure as hell get used ta men kissin an pokin each other. Wouldn’t ya say?”

Wes gulped. “Thank you for those stunnin visual images Ellery. I will make mention ta him.”

Ellery dropped his feet onto the floor with a clatter. “Thank you, Sheriff.” He heaved himself up and out of the chair. “I’ll let ya know when we get a date ta go ta Denver.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 12, 2007, 09:28:00 am
An interesting exchange from Chapter 5:

Dupree looked at Joe, who returned his gaze placidly. “What was that about?”

“You hittin on his boyfriend Dupree? That is a dangerous occupation.”

“No I wasn’t hittin on his... shit Joe, I ain’t queer.”

“I don’t know, evidence is pointing the other way Dupree. You showin up at a queer bar, talkin to somebody’s steady live in man... you are treadin on thin ice...”

“Cut it out Joe... yer startin ta worry me.”

“Well did ya kiss em?”

Dupree stared. “Are you insane?”

“He’s a nice lookin man, I wouldn’t blame ya if ya did Dupree.”

“No I didn’t kiss em!”

“Well might want to clear that up with the Chief cause it sounds like somebody told on ya.”

Dupree hurried over to Ellery’s office and knocked on the door. “Hey, can I ask ya somethin Ellery?”

He looked up from dialing the telephone and set it down. “Sure Dupree, what’s on yer mind?”

Dupree closed the door, his pale face in high color as he sat down. Behind him, Ellery caught a glimpse of Joe laughing behind his hand and repressed a grin.

“I... I wasn’t down there ta ... flirt with... Ennis... or anything.”

“I know that. You told me you ain’t queer.”

“I just wanted ta... clear that up.”

“You don’t have to clear it up, Dupree. I just needed ta know the site for the report.” That mischievous look was back in his eyes.

“Okay then. So you don’t think that I...”

“I don’t think anythin at all about it Dupree. But if you go undercover next time you might want ta be less obvious than wearin military togs.”

“Right, Chief.” Dupree got up, feeling bewildered.

“For Chrissake Dupree, haven’t you got any sense of humor at all? I was givin ya shit.”

“Oh.” He cracked a little smile.

“Now go steal me one a Joe’s bran muffins.”


L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 12, 2007, 09:32:36 am
And from the archives, just for fun, another one of our photostories:

RED SOCKS (by MaineWriter)

Yesterday we learned that Ellery wears a (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_7BC0FA0B4D-CD5F-4AA9-B2D5-518EA22F3.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/7BC0FA0B4D-CD5F-4AA9-B2D5-518EA22F3.jpg)

with his (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_Image033.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Image033.jpg)

for work. He has some 

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and some

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but mostly he has

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Because people can see his

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we know he wears

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/th_B0007VM38O.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/B0007VM38O.jpg)

not

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for work. When Ellery wears his

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Amos Marigold sees red!


Ennis wears

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and

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for work.

Ellery is thinking of getting Ennis a new pair of boots for Christmas. Do you think Ennis would like these?

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 12, 2007, 01:29:33 pm
Good Afternoon - wow - so many great quotes today - thanks!

I always liked this little exchange from Chapter 3, as they are leaving Dr. Sampson's office:

“You want ta go home now?” Ellery said as they left.

“Yeah I’d like ta. But I got ta make a stop. Nate asked me ta bring in some business cards to the bar an I couldn’t say no. You did say you approved, right?”

“You still flirtin with that guy? I’ll punch his lights out if he calls ya ‘Buttercup,’ Ennis, an I ain’t foolin.”

Ennis smiled tightly. “He ain’t the ‘Buttercup’ type. If I were ta guess I would say he would be the type ta call a guy ‘Daddy’ or somethin weird. I had some kid come up ta me Saturday night an say ‘Hey Daddy you want ta get down on the dance floor?’ an I said ‘No but I’d be glad ta stand ya in the corner an make ya miss supper.’”

Ellery laughed. “I take it he didn’t ask twice.”

You know, I don't know why I always think of Ellery as the funny one - he might not do it as often, but when Ennis comes up with a funny line - it's really funny!  Nice to have these little exchanges in the middle of all the angst over the AIDS testing. 

Thanks  - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 13, 2007, 08:32:22 am
Re-readers...chapters 6 to 10 today.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/51486.html

I have to rush off to Bangor ... right now... so I don't have time for quotes. Ack! I will leave that up to you guys, okay?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 13, 2007, 10:05:22 am
Filling in as Quote Mistress today, one of denizens of the Red Stallion who turns out later to be a villain, is Arthur Lang, who, for those who were fans of the "Oz" series, I patterned quite obviously on Vern Schillinger, the head of the Aryans, who loved to call the other inmates by flower names:

Rudy poured him a shot of whiskey as he slid onto the barstool. “Everythin all right with you an Ellery then?”

Ennis frowned. “What are you talkin about?”

“Well ya know... I thought maybe there were fireworks or somethin, you not comin in, goin out campin ta kiss an make up an all.”

“It wasn’t like that at all. Rudy can’t you fer once mind yer own business? Yer worse’n Wayne.”

“An not half as pretty as him either. Hey there Buttercup, been missin ya.” A familiar low rasp greeted Ennis and he half turned to the swarthy, leering face of Arthur Lang.

“Lang why don’t ya just shut up an get drunk an happy so I don’t have ta kick yer ass tonight okay?” Ennis grumbled.

“Why Buttercup, you know I come in here just ta see you!” Lang made a feint toward patting Ennis on the cheek and he dodged.

“Don’t,” Ennis growled.

“Ooooh, you are such a hardass.” Lang knew how far he could go, though, and slid onto a barstool, giving Ennis a little room. “Bud,” he said to Rudy. “Where the hell is Wayne anyway, he used ta show up here from time ta time after he got canned...”

“Sick,” came a sad voice from the office. It was Lauren, leaning on the doorway, eyes red, and it looked like he had been crying.

“Sick?” Ennis said.

“Sick, real sick. In the hospital sick. With some kinda pneumonia that you only get when you get ... you know.”

“He got AIDS?” Rudy asked, setting Lang’s beer down and turning to the shaken youth.

Lauren nodded, as if not daring to say it aloud.

Lang blinked. “Well shit... poor Wayne. Where they got em, Lauren?”

“Ivinson a course. Since he’s out a job he ain’t got no insurance anymore...”

“I think somebody should tell Ellery don’t you Buttercup?” Lang said, looking pointedly at Ennis.

“I think somebody ought a stop callin me things that make me wanna punch em out, Lang. So you just drink yer beer an shut up.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 13, 2007, 10:08:31 am
Another quote from Chapter 6, which is, for Ennis - and for the entire bar, a Bad Saturday Night:

There was a high squeal as Leon dashed over to the bar, clutching at Ennis’s arm. “They’re goin outside! There’s gonna be bloodshed, I just know it!” Ennis saw that Lang and Leon’s burly boyfriend were indeed making for the back door.

“Well Leon you got what you wanted. Too big dudes fightin over ya. I guess you get ta go home with the one who’s still standin,” he smiled tightly.

“You have ta stop them!” Leon wailed.

“Not if they ain’t in the bar I don’t. If you want ta call a cop go ahead, an he can get an ambulance if there’s any broken bones.”

To Ennis’s surprise, Leon drew his hand back and slapped him hard on the cheek. “You asshole!” he shrieked, and Ennis grabbed his wrist, tightly, holding the thin boy up by the wrist until he rose on tiptoes, sobbing, Ennis’s face turning bright pink with Leon’s hand print outlined starkly against the pale flesh.

“Now listen boy, you keep yer hands offa me and don’t try that shit again unless you want ta have me spank your ass till yer sobbin fer yer momma.”

“Lemme go!” Ennis unclenched his wrist, turning roughly away, and Leon ran out of the bar, sobbing.

“Another satisfied customer,” Rudy commented softly, looking down the bar as Lauren brought Ennis’s beer. Ennis downed it rapidly, and looked at his watch. It was only 10 p.m.


Sort of makes the Saturday nights they've had recently look a mite tame!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 13, 2007, 10:13:36 am
In Chapter 7, Ennis's bad day is not without its silver lining, as he makes his way home to "Officer Darlin."  I quoted this in part because it contains Fred's favorite Ennis line:  "That too."  It's also notable for fitting in Ennis's distinct fetish for Ellery's uniform - nothing like ending a twenty year stretch of fearing larger society by getting a blowjob from an officer of the law, wearing his hat!



By the time Ennis got home, he was half drunk, depressed, and exhausted.  He dropped the keys to the front door twice before Ellery opened it for him, wearing nothing but his cutoff denim shorts, a large glass of beer in his hand.

“Ennis you look terrible.  Is everything okay?”

“No.  Wanna go ta bed.”

“Okay.  Bed sleep or bed fuckin?”

“Bed,” He said, dropping his hat on the recliner, popping the snaps on  his shirt.  His face still showed bright pink on one cheek where Leon had slapped him, and he went into the bathroom, dropping his pants and stepping into the shower almost as soon as the water lost its cold edge.  Ellery trailed him in, leaning in the doorway, sipping.

“Somethin happen?”

“Yeah, somethin always happens,” Ennis said.  “Rudy is a nosy ass sumbitch, Lauren is havin a nervous breakdown cause Wayne’s got AIDS, Lang is hittin on some other biker’s little bitch fem boyfriend who slapped me because I wouldn’t break em up when they went outside ta settle it with fists, an I don’t want ta fly ta Denver an why the fuck did Jack have ta go off with Justin Worrell an get his head bashed in?” he ended his diatribe with a sob, shutting the water off and sagging against the wall, naked, dripping, and defeated.

“Aw... sweetheart... you shoulda just come home. C’mere.”

“I’m tired, Ellery, I’m real fuckin tired.”

“I know.”  Ellery grabbed a large bath towel and wrapped it around Ennis’s trembling shoulders.  “Come on an lie down.  Yer drunk.”

“Yeah I’m drunk, you know how I get when I’m drunk.”

“Usually horny as hell,” he said softly, breathing into his ear, rubbing his arms with the towel.

“That too.”

“That part we can take care of, don’t you worry.”

“Okay,” Ennis said, his face carved into a deep frown.  Ellery rubbed up his arms with the towel, drying him, and then walked him slowly out of the bathroom and into the bedroom.

“You want me ta put my uniform on fer this?”

Ennis smiled slightly.  “Maybe the hat.”

“Okay, the hat.  It’s not a hat by the way, it’s technically a beret.”  Ellery reached up into the closet and put his uniform beret on, which he only wore if he was appearing at an official event, or in court.  He posed, the cutoff denims revealing more than they hid, his long legs accentuated by their briefness, just barely hanging from the bones of his hips and revealing the faint dark line of hair widening out to his pubes  beneath his hollow belly.

“Beret then.”

“Okay you climb in there, an tell Officer Darlin what he can do to you.”

Ennis thought, his eyes glazed with that edge of drunkenness that could easily turn to lust if properly triggered, staring at the bizarre sight of Ellery, nearly naked, wearing his uniform hat and nearly nothing else, crawling toward him on the bed, now climbing between his open thighs.

“Suck me, darlin...” he rasped, his head falling back as he relaxed into arousal, trying to wipe the litany of prodding pains from his mind, gasping softly as Ellery’s hot mouth overtook his cock and began to suck on it, stiffening, his hips rising off the bed.  “Ohh... yeahhhh....” he fell into a sort of dazed dream, gazing down at the beret as it slid off the side of Ellery’s head, black mass of hair flying free and tickling his thighs, and he thrust up and into his hot mouth, “suck me... boy,” he moaned, forgetting momentarily his anxieties about the coming week, the arguing men at the bar, Rudy with his grasping, lascivious hands rubbing up Lauren’s back... a host of disturbing images wiped away leaving only the erotic vision of his lover’s mouth swallowing him whole, accompanied by the arousing noise of sucking, and he wouldn’t last, he couldn’t last under this onslaught.... he grabbed onto the pillow with his hands, bucking up, forcing his cock into Ellery’s hot throat, needing it, his throat pulsing hard with his racing heartbeat as he felt himself nearly float up off the bed, the hat spinning and rolling before flipping over, forgotten, in the middle of the bed, as a torrent of pleasure washed through him and he cried out, a sharp, sobbing sound, and spurted a jet of semen into Ellery’s sucking mouth, before falling back on the bed, panting heavily.

Ellery rose to his elbows and looked up at the half-open eyes, reached out and snagged his uniform hat, putting it back on his head and smirking.

“Will that be all sir?”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 13, 2007, 10:53:59 am
In Chapter 8, Ellery's motives for striking his deal with Ennis to work one night a week at the bar are hinted at in his conversation with Rudy, as well as an early look at Ellery's style of relationship advice:



Rudy looked a little sheepish. “Are you pissed at me about somethin Ellery?”

Ellery looked up, pulled on his lip a moment. “For the most part no. You show up, yer reliable, you don’t fuck every man who weighs over 200 pounds that comes through the door, an as far as I know you ain’t harborin my ex partner as a fugitive in yer apartment.”

“And the rest of it?”

“Ennis is uncomfortable with the amount of interest you appear ta show in his personal life.”

“Oh. I guess I spoke outta turn.”

“Speakin about Ennis an me in any respect is probably speakin outta turn. He is a private man an prefers his life ta be private. You may possibly get him to forgive you if you can keep that in mind, Rudy. I am sure there are many other fascinatin people here for you to wonder about.”

“I was just showin an interest, Ellery. An frankly, I ain’t sure it is such a great idea for Ennis to be hangin out here. He don’t like men showin affection in public, an it makes people uncomfortable when he glares at em.”

“He’s a bouncer. Part of why I like em to be here is because he’s uncomfortable. Glaring at people is part of his job.”

“Yeah but he really... glares.”

“He stays. If it comes down to between him an you he stays, Rudy. So try ta lump it. I got Ennis here for my own reasons an unless he don’t want ta be here no more... an don’t give him a reason, Rudy, I warn ya... he stays. You understand that? He is here for a mere 4 hours on a Saturday night an that should not break your back.”

“Whatever you say, Ellery.”

He smiled. “I’m glad we understand each other. Now, any sign of any illicit behavior or passin money in the Gents or panties bein sold on the dance floor?”

“Nope. Chuck caught a couple a guys gettin hot an heavy in a stall night before last but he just broke it up.”

“Make sure. Cause this AIDS thing is gettin really bad press an I don’t want no reasons for anyone declarin my bar as a public health nuisance or whatever crap they can dream up.”

Rudy nodded.

“You set ta move in first a next month?”

“Yep. Listen, you mind if I ask you a personal question?”

“If I mind I won’t answer it.”

“Fair enough. What do you think is the best thing ta do if you think yer man is steppin out on ya?”

“Ask em. That is dangerous behavior in these times, an if you don’t get no straight answer then it might be best ta give em his marchin orders.”

“Then you might need a new bouncer soon,” Rudy smiled tightly.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 13, 2007, 11:01:55 am
Chapter 9, we find out Ennis is afraid of flying as they prepare to head off to Denver for their AIDS test trial, and we have an early case of Coyote Interruptus.


“So when these folks call back we got ta book a flight, Ennis.  Tell me you are gonna get on the plane with me an ain’t gonna make me drive a whole day ta get there. “

“It’s… it’s a little teeny tiny plane Ellery.”

“Yeah well they ain’t less safe than the big fuckin 747’s Ennis.  I hate flyin too but it is a lot safer than drivin that truck on the 287.”

“I suppose…” he repeated, sipping his scotch.

“You haven’t answered in the affirmative yet, Ennis,” Ellery frowned.

“I’m thinkin.”

“You got ta think fast, boy.  Cause I got ta call the airline.”

“Dammit.  Okay. Yeah I’ll fly with ya.”

“Good.  Now that is done an over are we gonna watch a movie, go ta bed an fuck or stare at each other?”

“Go ta bed an fuck.  C’mere.”  Ellery got up from the sofa and slid out of his t-shirt, his unbelted denims already half off his hips, and walked slowly over to where Ennis was sipping the last of his scotch, then set it down, sliding his hands up his thighs and tugging.  Ellery’s lose-fitting denims slid down over his hips, dragging his drawers with them, and he stood naked, his cock already half hard, and Ennis leaned forward, nuzzling it.  “First maybe do a little a this…” and he sucked the end of Ellery’s cock into his mouth, causing him to gasp.

“What are ya doin, Ennis?” he asked, his voice breathy as he resisted the urge to thrust deeper into Ennis’s mouth, hands gripping his shoulders and digging in with his blunt nails.

Ennis looked up, let his cock go and then gave it a lick.  “Makin sure ya come.  Feels a whole lot better ta fuck ya after.  An I’m gettin ta like doin this.”

Ellery looked down with a sultry smile.  “I ain’t gonna argue.”

Ennis pulled Ellery’s hips toward him, taking more of his cock in his mouth, sucking hard, artless, dominant and insistent as he moved his head, sliding off and then deeper in, bringing his cock as far down his throat as he could manage before choking on him, and Ellery was beginning to thrust back, when the phone rang.

“Uh, sweetheart…” Ellery gasped.  “Might be the medical center…”

Ennis pulled off, mouth dripping.  “Goddammit.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 13, 2007, 11:20:00 am
And in Chapter 10, Ellery learns about two things that drive Ennis to dominant sexual aggression:  getting interrupted by the phone... and jealousy:

Ennis nodded, holding the dildo. “Pull em up, hold on to yer knees…” and Ellery obeyed, eyes glued to Ennis’s face as he knelt between his knees and brushed his fingers up against his hole and slipped them into his ass, twisting them to stretch him as he held the dildo ready, and Ellery gasped, bucking up slightly against the pleasurable sensation, and Ennis suddenly pulled his fingers out, pushing now with the head of the dildo until it slid in, then knelt, sucking the end of Ellery’s cock into his mouth, sliding along it as he buried the dildo in one long, slow thrust, Ellery’s cock twitching hard and rigid against the roof of his mouth.

He did not wait, but pulled back and began fucking him in long, slow strokes, sucking hard… there was nothing subtle about his onslaught, and it occurred to Ellery briefly that he was competing in some small way with the unnamed gun dealer who had not satisfied him, proving to Ellery that he cared about whether he came, he was determined to bring him pleasure before he had any himself… It was a strange reversal, and Ellery stroked his fingers across Ennis’s pale cheek , up through the short, blond curls, feeling the beginning trickle of sweat along his nape as he sucked mercilessly, moving the dildo all the way in and then back out, long, hard, relentless, and Ellery stiffened, his spine arching.

“Oh sweetheart, oh fuck…” he arched up and bucked hard, and came in a sudden spurt, his sphincter grasping hard onto the toy as his hips rode up and his cock strained against the licking tongue. Ennis blinked several times, swallowed, then opened his mouth, gasping, as dribbles of come appeared at the edges of his mouth, and he pulled the dildo out in a single stroke, picked up the Vaseline and began to lube himself with rapid, masturbating strokes, looking down at Ellery’s flagging cock with a heavy-lidded gaze.

“Hold still right there, keep yer knees up…” an he leaned over, a dribble of warm come making its way down his face and neck and then drizzling over Ellery’s chest as he pushed the end of his cock into the still-twitching sphincter… “oh Jesus god….” Ennis closed his eyes, thrust hard with his hips, and began immediately thrusting hard into the hot tightness he craved.

Ellery teetered again at the edge of orgasm almost immediately, holding tight to his knees, and Ennis loomed over him, mouth open and wet, descending on his mouth and cutting off his moans, thrusting his tongue in with the same violence as his cock thrust into his ass, the salty musk taste of his own fluid filling Ellery’s mouth as Ennis’s tongue pushed against his, and he sucked his tongue, thrashing.

It was over in a minute or less, Ennis suddenly pulling back, arching like a bow, and shuddering as he responded to Ellery’s fast-building orgasm, and he groaned out what sounded like a prayer, a second, smaller spurt of come jetting up between their bodies with his final thrusts before he placed his hands over Ellery’s hands and pried them off his knees, letting his feet fall back to the bed, forcing his cock out, and he collapsed on top of Ellery’s body, panting heavily.

“Man what got inta you?” Ellery said softly in his ear.

“Dunno… don’t like ta be interrupted.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 13, 2007, 01:13:13 pm
Good Morning, all!  Wow - fantastic quotes and commentary!  Thank you, Louise!

Speaking of favorite lines:


Quote from: louisev on January 13, 2007, 10:13:36 am
In Chapter 7, Ennis's bad day is not without its silver lining, as he makes his way home to "Officer Darlin."  I quoted this in part because it contains Fred's favorite Ennis line:  "That too."  It's also notable for fitting in Ennis's distinct fetish for Ellery's uniform - nothing like ending a twenty year stretch of fearing larger society by getting a blowjob from an officer of the law, wearing his hat!



“Will that be all sir?”


That one ranks very high on my list of favorites!  So very Ellery - which is always a good thing! 

Thanks!  Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: NavyVet on January 13, 2007, 08:34:28 pm
Sorry for the OT, but this is so funny, I just had to share it:


Chinese food song

Put on your speakers and enjoy
 
http://jflores.com/jokes/chowmein.htm
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 14, 2007, 09:30:27 am
Good morning re-readers....today, chapters 11-15.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/52792.html

“Don’t go second guessin yerself. Oh. An tomorrow, when Mel comes by ta go to the lockup with ya, no wearin yer trick socks okay?”

Ellery pulled a straight face. “I got no idea what you are talkin about Wes.”

“I asked Ennis ta go through yer sock drawer. Yer busted.”

“Shit. My own man turns on me. No sugar for him tonight.”

Wes shook his head. “Sometimes I wonder if you are really five years old inside that beanpole body.”

“Maybe,” Ellery said. “If that is all I want ta go steal one a Joe’s bran muffins before he puts on more weight.”

“Yer excused. An give Wayne my best when you go up there.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 14, 2007, 09:31:53 am
Poor Wayne, he seems to have a very short memory. This is from chapter 11:

Wayne started to speak again and then began to cough again, hard, rasping spasms that left him breathless, his face red.

“Jesus Christ Wayne.”

He nodded, unable to speak, and picked up a glass of water, gulping down a tiny mouthful of it, hand pressed to his chest. “I know,” he whispered. “But... I think it’s gettin better.”

“Don’t worry bout the insurance none, Wayne.”

“Listen, Ellery. I just want ta say I’m sorry fer never listenin to ya. You were right. An I’m sorry for buggin Ennis so much. I don’t want ta go ta my grave thinkin two a the people I like an respect the most haven’t got nothin but –“ he stopped and coughed again....

“Wayne, you don’t have ta say all this...” and was silenced by Wayne’s raised hand, his sunken eyes glaring at him in defiance of his breathlessness.

“Haven’t got nothin but contempt fer me. Maybe I don’t deserve it, but I really do respect you Ellery... an I respect Ennis too, an I’m sorry I called em an asshole.”

“He probably don’t even remember, Wayne, let it go.”

“You were right ta fire me. I guess when I started feelin sick is when I started gettin careless, an when Bill showed up I told em about what I was afraid of, cause Pinky – you remember that trucker, Pinky?”

“Oh yeah... he is banned from the bar.”

“Yeah well he called me an told me he was sick a few months ago an I been dreadin ever since.”

“Wayne, please don’t tell me you an Pinky...” his face turned read. “The man is an animal, Wayne.”

“Yeah well... “ Wayne blushed under the feverish ruddiness of his face. “He’s got a ten inch cock Ellery.”

Ellery shook his head. “God amighty, Wayne.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 14, 2007, 09:40:30 am
Chapter 12:

“I sure hope so.” Ellery ate with quiet displeasure, trying to endure what might be the beginning of a long, jealous argument. The cute part was his being amused by Ellery’s tale of Gabe’s sexual inadequacy. The part that was not so cute was the dark mood accompanying it, the lack of trust, and he reminded himself that it was not he, Ellery, Ennis was jealous of, nor was the real topic his last sexual partner, but the mounting anxiety surrounding the test, the ever present questions and torment he put himself to about Jack, and his uncertainty about Jack. Right now, it seemed unimportant that Ellery loved him, and only important – whether Jack did. When he realized this, Ellery lost his appetite, but kept eating, mechanically. If I can eat through a murder trial, I can eat through Ennis not givin a shit about whether I love em or not. It’ll pass.

and then, same chapter:

“You want me ta tell ya if he calls me? An no, he hasn’t called me. But Amos Marigold called me an Wes pinned a note on my door an told me he asked you what was in my sock drawer.”

“Wes is lyin, he never asked me about yer socks. What’s this about socks?”

Ellery grinned suddenly. “He didn’t?”

“No. Why would he ask me about yer socks?”

“No reason, I played a trick on Amos in court the other day an put on red socks an he called Wes ta complain.”

“Oh. I don’t get it.”

“Dress code. I’m gonna get changed. You said Mr. Coyote was visitin after dinner. Am I stayin naked or gettin on my knees or what here?”

Ennis took another draw on the cigar, did not offer it to him.

“I don’t know, maybe not tonight.”

“Okay.” Ellery went in the bedroom, changed into a pair of black denims, and as an afterthought, put on a blue t-shirt. He sat down on the edge of the bed and leaned over, pressing his hands against his face. Goddamn you an yer moods, Ennis. I love you ta death but sometimes you just make me want ta scream.



L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on January 14, 2007, 09:52:21 am
Chapter 12 is difficult to read, as per Leslie's quotes.

And I also want to quote the following:

“Yeah... so how is Wayne besides bein real sick. He say anythin else?”

“Yup, said he was real sorry he called you an asshole.”

“Better late than never I suppose. Maybe I ought ta go with ya some time if he’s gonna be in there.”

“I don’t know if Wayne’s gonna survive, Ennis, frankly. I tried ta be delicate about askin. I don’t know if people get better from one thing or just get sicker an get somethin else or what. Anyone call from Denver, or Sampson or anybody?”

I know I am being sentimental, but I hope when Ennis & Ellery decides the guest list for their reception, they'd remember this moment.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on January 14, 2007, 10:12:20 am
Chapter 13, we get to see a rare occasion that Ellery lost his temper to Ennis:

Ellery leapt up, in a motion that seemed to quick for his usual lethargic pace. “I am sick a this bullshit about did he love ya didn’t he love ya an you sittin there wallowin in fuckin guilt over this.”

“Don’t,” Ennis said, voice choked with anger.

“I will. Ya know, I have been holdin this back for some time since dinner but there’s a little somethin else you ain’t payin attention to either while you’re playin pull the petals off the daisy. There’s someone right here right now who loves ya an that don’t seem to mean fuckall to you right now.”

“Yer wrong. It does.”

“Prove me wrong, Ennis. Yer so stuck right now in yer little guilt party you can’t even see me. You can see someone I fucked two times a year ago like a big red cape in front of a bull’s nose, but you can’t see the guy I’m fuckin right now every goddamn night, every which way ta Sunday, an I love em like there’s no tomorrow an I’d do just about anythin for em, includin gettin shot at I might add, but do you think he gives a good goddamn right now? What color his eyes are? Who the fuck cares? I don’t.”

“I’m sorry ya took it that way Ellery,” Ennis said, bridling at the vehemence of Ellery’s words. “I wasn’t tryin ta tell ya I didn’t love –“

“You don’t give a good goddamn right now whether I love ya. All you care about is who did Jack Twist fuck? Well make a fuckin list! You want ta know write it all down, everybody you think he fucked, an memorize it. Hair color, eyes, height, weight, don’t forget what size cock they got an how many times they fucked em. That’s important too. Because it all comes down ta one thing. The more you imagine he was fuckin other guys then the less important you are because yer afraid he didn’t care, an he got himself killed because he didn’t care. Let me tell you boy, on the list a things people think about when they are busy gettin murdered, one of them ain’t how much does my man care about me? They’re too busy bein killed to worry about the niceties. I told you this I don’t know how many times an maybe my bein mad an annoyed an rubbin it in a bit might get through yer brain when the soft spoken pattin on the head part won’t.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 14, 2007, 10:15:55 am
Good quotes, Betty, thanks!

More from Chapter 13:

“True love sometimes gives ya a second chance, Ennis.”

“So you think... it was true love.”

“Uh huh. You wouldn’t be cryin right now if it wasn’t. It wouldn’t be diggin you so deep if it wasn’t. I can’t fault ya for that Ennis. Yer a man who loves deeply. An that is what I fell in love with.”

“You don’t mind... if I loved Jack like that?”

He shook his head. “No, it just means you got it in ya. I don’t want no more cold fish men, Ennis. An you ain’t no cold fish, believe me.”

“I’m sorry, Ellery.” He squeezed the hand that was holding his arm, blinking back another pair of tears.

“I know, it’s okay.”

“I wish they’d call.”

“So do I. Maybe tomorrow.”

“Tired.”

“Come on then,” and Ellery led him out of the living room, flicking off the television with the remote, and helped undress him. Ennis seemed passive, soft, pliant now, having given up the intellectual struggle to understand his place in Jack’s life, and consequently, his place in Ellery’s life, but had resigned himself to simply accepting it, for now, accepting the warm body that embraced his, the soft kiss on his cheek, the gentle caresses on his arm and shoulder, soothing him, and they fell asleep gradually, holding each other, in the quiet summer darkness, postponing their anxiety to another day.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 14, 2007, 10:27:21 am
Chapter 14, and interesting conversation with Mel:

“Use that, Ellery. Tell him you’ve been reading about hopeful treatment options and he might pull through and he can’t afford to turn down that opportunity while helping people he might have harmed that he might not want to have on his conscience. His kind.”

“Mel,” Ellery said, straightening in his chair, bridling.

“Ellery,” Wes said, his tone warning.

“Wes, it needs ta be said.” Wes sighed, shaking his head. “Mel, his kind are my kind. I’m queer. An before you ask, I do live with another man. So please go light on the “his kind” comments, because I might be takin it personally.”

Mel might have just been told his table was ready for a dinner reservation. He smiled politely. “No offense was intended, Ellery. Neither to you, nor to your kind. I am suggesting a line of reasoning to the suspect in order for him to avoid the ultimate penalty in the trials awaiting him.”

“I understand. This is all because a the heat his judge daddy is puttin on everybody ain’t it? This ain’t about the boys he might a been pickin up all this time down in Austin an parts unknown.” His face was flushed with anger.

“It’s about all that, Ellery. Justin Worrell might become the most celebrated case of murders of queer men in this area, and it behooves us to do the best we can here.”

“Bullshit, Mel, this has to do with your reelection too, an it’d be a whole lot better fer you if he sang like a bird after he was snipin at members a Laramie’s finest in their own homes.”

“Ellery, yer bein disrespectful to the D.A.”

Mel put up a hand. “Wes, leave the boy be, I can’t entirely argue with his line a reasoning. But the fact is there are political realities, and a confessing murderer with a fatal disease showing remorse does go over a whole lot better in this jurisdiction and will also get Judge Worrell out of my office.”

Ellery gave Wes a smug, “I told you so” smile.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 14, 2007, 10:39:13 am
Chapter 15, Ennis surprises Ellery, with his reaction to the news about the AIDS test...

Ennis grinned. “You get off on that?”

Ellery nodded. “We need a cigar.” He rummaged across the table for the box and took one out. “Sure did, damn boy. Every time you do that it seems like it is something completely new. You must do a lot a thinking on yer job.”

“Yeah. Well I figured… maybe we won’t always be so fit an feelin healthy an maybe it’s stupid ta waste time fightin an bein depressed because we won’t always have it.”

“True…” Ellery said. “But I don’t think cryin over what is botherin ya is wastin time. Some stuff has ta come out.”

“Sure enough.”

“Ennis, I got some news, an I woulda told ya but I got kidnapped by Mr. Coyote at the sink.”

Ennis sat up. “They called. We’re gonna go.”

Ellery shook his head. “Yeah they called, and no we ain’t gonna go. They ain’t letting queers in this trial, Ennis. Why Sampson had us go through this fuckin runaround is beyond me.”

“That’s why they was askin all this stuff about sex?”

He nodded. “Probably.”

“So what now?”

“I figured right about now you hit the roof an break some stuff.”

Ennis accepted the cigar from Ellery’s hand. “There ain’t nothing we can do, darlin. We tried, we been to the doctor, we’re healthy, we ain’t got any a those diseases, an if they won’t test us then we just got ta wait or put it outta our minds. Stand it if we can.”

“The test’ll probably get approved sometime in the next few months then we can take it at Sampson’s office.”

“I don’t have ta get on that teeny tiny airplane.”

Ellery grinned, taking the cigar back and inhaling. “That’s one thing we can put outta our minds then.”

“Dammit Ellery. I wish we didn’t know, an we could just go on an be ignorant an blissful.”

“An if one of us got sick then we would look back an wish we had known. No, better off knowin.”

“Ya think?”

“Yeah I do.”

“Then I don’t think we ought ta waste any more time,” Ennis said, taking a drag on the cigar as Ellery handed it back to him, and putting it in the ashtray, hand already reaching for his cock to stimulate himself back to erection. “On yer knees, boy.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 14, 2007, 01:05:05 pm
Good Morning, All - Thanks for the great quotes!

In light of recent events, it was especially touching to read this:

Quote from: yb on January 14, 2007, 09:52:21 am
Chapter 12 is difficult to read, as per Leslie's quotes.

And I also want to quote the following:

“Yeah... so how is Wayne besides bein real sick. He say anythin else?”

“Yup, said he was real sorry he called you an asshole.”

“Better late than never I suppose. Maybe I ought ta go with ya some time if he’s gonna be in there.”

“I don’t know if Wayne’s gonna survive, Ennis, frankly. I tried ta be delicate about askin. I don’t know if people get better from one thing or just get sicker an get somethin else or what. Anyone call from Denver, or Sampson or anybody?”

I know I am being sentimental, but I hope when Ennis & Ellery decides the guest list for their reception, they'd remember this moment.



Oh, I hope so too!  (And I hope Wayne remembers, also - maybe it would help him hold his tongue a little when he's feeling so jealous and angry!)

Thanks again!  Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 15, 2007, 04:02:04 pm
Re-readers,

Sorry for the delay today...bad weather interfered. But here we go, chapters 16-20.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/54202.html

In 16, Ennis comes face-to-face with the infamous Gabe Blackwell!

Ellery opened the door, letting Rudy out first so he could get to the bar as the first few customers drifted in, and then Ennis stepped out, hat pulled low.

“Well if it ain’t Ellie Mae Cantrell from Dogpatch!” said a loud, deep bass voice coming from a tall black hatted figure with a large gunbelt and a pearl handled revolver bristling out of each holster, and Ennis’s head flew up, coming nearly eye to eye with him, and he knew instantly who it was: Gabe Blackwell, Ellery’s former.

“Jesus Christ amighty,” Ellery said under his breath. “Fancy meetin you here, Gabe,” and grasped the hand extended to him, face visibly blushing red.

To Ennis’s horror, Gabe pulled Ellery toward him and engulfed him in the kind of embrace that only Ennis gave Ellery, and Ennis’s reaction was instantaneous. “Get off em,” he growled, his voice thick with menace, and the stranger looked over, blinking, dropping his arms.

“Who the hell is this Ellie Mae?”

“Call me by my name, Gabe. This here is Ennis Del Mar. Say hi to the nice man Gabe, or he might just punch yer lights out. This here’s my new boyfriend.”

Ennis made a grimace as the man blinked several times, looked at Ellery and then slightly down at Ennis, overtopping him by a good three inches. “Shit, you got yerself a nice lookin boy there Ellie... Ellery.” He took off his hat and extended his hand, stepping back a full step from Ellery. Ennis ignored it. “I’ll be in the car,” he said to Ellery, and opened the door with far too much force, slamming it as he left.

“He didn’t have ta take it so hard, El,” Gabe said, frowning. “I was sorta hopin we could catch up, you know... spend some time together.”

Ellery shook his head. “Sorry, Gabe. I’m seriously involved. An you just sorta nullified any possibility of a lighter social visit there, cause I doubt he’d sit down with ya after that.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 15, 2007, 04:14:42 pm
Chapter 17:

“Aw... darlin,” Ennis said.

“Well, part of it was that I lost my dad the year before that, an when Beagle an I got together I couldn’t let em go. I wasn’t always the hard ass independent minded asshole you see before you.”

“But still...he didn’t say nothin... how he felt, or anythin?”

“No, an I fell real hard for that boy too.” Ellery smiled, his eyes distant, wistful. “Ya could say I had my summer up on the mountain an it lasted nine months at school. I almost didn’t go back either.”

Ennis pushed back the lank strands of hair that had fallen over Ellery’s pale face. “How did you do it... the suicide thing?”

“Pills. Back then ya could get just about anythin from the other students, uppers, downers, acid, pot... an I took some downers, but didn’t know shit about em an just slept for a couple a days, woke up hung over an dehydrated an was sick in bed for a week. Moped around all summer an grandpa thought it was about my dad. But it wasn’t. It was all about a brown eyed longhaired boy who stole my heart an went back ta Jackson with it.”

“You ever talk to em after that?”

Ellery shook his head. “Nah, no point. Hey buddy, you remember that roommate you fucked all through first year? Nah. If he wanted me he knew where ta find me an he never wrote or called after the wedding invite.”

Ennis leaned in close, kissing Ellery gently on the mouth. “That was a real sad story, Ellery. I am sorry about that.”

“Yeah well... I had more sex than most freshmen at the U do, so it wasn’t a total loss.”

“But you told me it had somethin ta do with how ya feel inside, not in the sex.”

“Yeah, I’m just bein flip. I was upset about Beagle for a long time, boy. A good long time. I really loved that boy.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 15, 2007, 04:20:39 pm
Chapter 18, a classic Ellery line:

Ellery was eating ice cream smothered with chocolate sauce, watching a poorly lit film noir when Ennis came in and dropped his hat on the table. “Yer back early, quiet down there?”

“Yeah. ‘Cept for some guy named Blackwell makin out with yer bartender out back an beatin off after.”

Ellery stared. “You ain’t serious. Rudy? Gabe?”

“Dead serious. Lauren didn’t want ta say nothing but he was serving a busy bar with no Rudy in sight when I came in at nine, an when I stuck my head out they was joined at the hips. Rudy don’t say much of anythin ta me when he comes back in, an when I looked back out there was Mr. Pearl Handled finishin emself off.”

“Rudy just kicked his boyfriend out –“ he looked at his watch “Not even 48 hours ago.” He put a hand over his eyes briefly. “Is every gay bartender alive a fuckin slut I ask you?”

“Maybe he likes antique pistols,” Ennis said, unbuttoning his shirt. “I’m gonna wash off the smoke.”

and at the end of the chapter:

“Don’t worry Ellery,” Ennis said. “I didn’t say that ta stir ya up.”

“Well I am stirred up. I think I better go pay another visit ta Rudy. Got ta go down there an interview a bouncer anyhow. Would you come with me tomorrow?”

“Ellery…”

“Ennis, this is about you too.”

“Shit, okay.”

“Good now you ready ta go ta bed? I want ta take advantage a any free floatin jealousy ya got that makes you so frisky in the sack.”

“Got some a that,” Ennis said, getting up and letting the towel drop.

“So I see.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 15, 2007, 04:26:31 pm
Chapter 19:

“Then somethin new. I made pancakes. They’re in the oven fer when yer ready.”

“Damn Ennis, first dinner now breakfast.”

Ennis smiled, stroking the lank hairs away from Ellery’s face and pressing his lips against his cheek, working his way toward his mouth. “It’s cause I love ya.”

“It’s cause yer still feelin sorry for me for havin an asshole first boyfriend. You should see a picture a me when I was first in college an you wouldn’t feel so guilty. I was a smug little shit an looked like one a those Weathermen who was goin around threatenin ta blow up the Golden Gate Bridge if my daddy reduced my trust fund.”

“Weather what?”

“Weathermen. Longhaired hippie people that were agitatin against Nixon an all that. You do remember the Nixon years I assume?”

“Yeah, yeah, Vietnam war protest or whatever... “

“Yeah somethin like that, you get the point. Okay let me down, yeah, if you can rub that old spot there, that place right above where Mr. Coyote gave me a real good nip the other night...” he grinned.

Ennis laughed softly. “I know where it is.” And he helped Ellery roll onto his stomach, pulling his legs straight, a surge of arousal coursing through him as he straightened his hips and leaned over him, straddling the narrow thighs. “I got ya right where I want ya....”

“Yeah but you try anythin on me right now you might end up with me makin some sounds you ain’t never heard, mostly “Help! an get the fuck off me.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 15, 2007, 04:35:53 pm
Chapter 20:

“Huh, go figure,” he said, getting out his deposit book. “We’re doin better.”

“Place has been crawlin, Ellery, with this gun show an then that round-up thing they got goin. Wish I’d come down to a queer bar years ago if only ta know just how many a those rough an ready types ain’t no different from me.”

“Or me, you think aside from my hair there’d be anyone down at the courthouse or police department knowin better, ever think I was queer? They think they’re all... like Wayne, wigglin their asses an slickin up their hair an usin a bit a eyeliner ta give em a sultry exotic look.”

Ennis smirked, stacking quarters. “Yeah. Well some a those guys, ya see em around, lookin at guys playin pool, you know what I mean...”

Ellery nodded. “Yeah. Wolves I call em. We got enough wolves here.”


and a bit later, same chapter:

Ellery squinted into the comparative gloom of the bar. “What do my agin eyes see... “

“Hey Chief,” Dupree said. “Ennis had me hang back here a bit.”

“What the hell are you doin here, had nothin ta do an decided ta visit the queer side a town?”

“Well, I was hopin you hadn’t hired someone as yet fer a bouncer.”

“Shit Dupree, I’m lookin for somebody four nights a week, maybe five, four hours a night. You’re doin full time at the station.”

“Yeah but Chief... I was an Army grunt, you want ta know how many hours I was doin there? Besides, my GI Bill is runnin out an... I still got the loans. I was hopin I could ... you know, work for you a bit more. Besides, me an Ennis get along good.”

Ellery looked at Ennis and back at Dupree. “It’s a queer bar, Dupree.”

Dupree laughed. “I know that Chief.”

“You ain’t queer.”

“Yeah. But I work for a man who is, an my friend Ennis here is queer. An... I was kinda hopin it might gimme some money I really need an help me ... I dunno. Get ta know you guys better. If that makes any sense.”

Ellery flashed Ennis a look, and Ennis shrugged.

“Look Dupree, I think you would be more than overqualified an I would be deliriously happy to have you. Say nothin more. Okay?”

Dupree stepped over to the desk and offered his hand. “Thank you Chief. My bank thanks you too.”

“Shit, now we made everybody just way too happy,” Ellery said. “You want ta make Ennis a whole lot more happy an show up tonight at say ten so he doesn’t have ta glare at the femboys all alone?”

“Sure!” Dupree said.

“Let’s have a beer then,” Ellery said, gesturing to the tap. “Ennis would you do the honors?”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 15, 2007, 04:59:25 pm
Hi Leslie -  hope you're safe in the bad weather!  We're having ice storms and I'm crossing my fingers that the power stays on!  Thanks for the quotes - we finally hear the sad Beagle story.   :'(

On a different note, I love seeing Ennis relishing his role as bouncer:

Ennis shook his head, sitting down at the bar. He frowned, looking around. “You alone tonight Lauren? I thought Rudy was –“

“He is workin, but he’s… out back.”

“Out back?”

Lauren’s face reddened. He slid Ennis’s beer over, and gestured slightly with his head. Ennis slid back off his stool and walked to the back door, opening it a crack. Rudy was there, he could tell mostly from the hair, his build and the bar apron, pressed up against the wall by a very large man in a black hat, clinched in a deep kiss. Ennis cleared his throat. “Hey ain’t you got some bartendin ta do?” he said. To his mild shock, the big man unwound himself from Rudy and turned, a little smile on his face, which slowly faded as Ennis came eye to eye once more with Gabe Blackwell.

“Well I guess you just like to break up all the fun don’t ya boy?” Gabe said, voice dripping with sarcasm as he let Rudy go.

“If it’s bar hours, yep.” Ennis ducked back inside and returned to the bar, face dark with anger. Lauren looked at him uneasily. “He’s out there makin out with that gun dealer guy.”

“Yeah. I know,” Lauren said.

“How long’s he been out there?” Ennis asked quietly, watching the door.

“A while,” Lauren said.

A few minutes later Rudy came back in, hauling a keg of beer from the storage cooler, and setting it up on the tap. He avoided Ennis’s gaze. Gabe did not return.

“So he keeping a spot warm for ya out there fer yer next hourly break or something?” Ennis said, his voice cold.

Rudy shot Ennis a grim look and said nothing.

“Why don’t we just go take a look?” Ennis said, sliding back off the stool and taking a sip of beer before setting it back down and heading back to the door.

“No need ta do that, Ennis…” but Ennis had opened the door once more in time to see the gun dealer adjusting himself and zipping up.

“What a we got ta do, put up a ‘No Jerkin Off’ sign fer fucks like you?”

Unexpectedly, Blackwell smiled at him. “Yer a feisty one. No wonder Ellie Mae went for ya. You’d like ta take a swing at me wouldn’t ya?”

“Wouldn’t mind, you givin me a reason?”

Blackwell stepped closer, and from that distance Ennis could see he was still aroused, the bulge made by his cock obvious to anyone nearby as it poked out the fly of his denims. “Nah, I could wipe up this parkin lot with you. Yer a little scrawny fer me, besides, I tend ta settle things a little more directly…” He patted his holster, and it then became clear why he hadn’t followed Rudy back in – he was armed with his pearl-handled pistols.

“I got nothin ta settle,” Ennis said, and pointed at his crotch. “Just don’t jerk off in our parkin lot, that’s what the city park is for.”

Blackwell touched his fingers to his hat. “I’ll be goin now. You tell Ellie Mae hi for me when you see him.”

“Fuck off,” Ennis growled, and slammed the door as he walked back inside the bar.



I just love the line about the "No Jerkin' Off' sign! 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 10:33:46 am
Good morning, re-readers,

Today, chapters 21-25:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/55414.html

A little PDA from Ellery and Ennis didn't seem to mind...

Ellery hung up and moved slowly to his feet, shuffling out to the bar. “Hey Chief, what’s wrong, you hurt yer back again?”

Ellery gave Ennis a quick glance, which he avoided. “Best not ta go inta details. I bring this shit on myself mostly.”

“Right Chief,” Dupree said, closing his mouth quickly.

“Now the rambunctious ones, they’re just lookin ta get attention, is how I figure, so I just give em a cold look. That way they know if they go further, I might stand up. With those kinda boys I don’t ever need ta stand up, see, because they know the line. The line is always starin em right in the face,” Ennis said.

“Right. Basic psychology, I can see that.”

“Don’t ever let em irritate you or make you raise yer voice or you end up with a crowd heckling ya an ya might as well just go home by then, place’ll be calmer without ya. I seen this a thousand times sittin in bars over the years.”

Dupree grinned. “So that’s how you get all this wisdom, eh Ennis…? Yer a barfly.”

“Yep. Used ta drink beers an watch the rowdies get drunk an get kicked out one by one. Good bouncer’ll remind em a the line before they go too far or start throwin punches.”

Ellery slipped an arm around Ennis’s shoulder. “An Ennis here keeps em calm don’t ya?”

“Hope so,” Ennis mumbled, looking down into his beer.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 10:35:29 am
More from Chapter 21:

“I thought after last night I might not have a job,” Rudy said, looking uneasily at Ellery.

“Oh, how’s that?”

“Cause a Ennis an Gabe.”

“Did ya do anythin wrong Rudy?” Ellery asked, not taking his eyes off Rudy’s face.

“I took a kind a long break out back.”

“You left Lauren alone with a bar full a thirsty men. He is overworked, I ain’t payin em to do your job while you have a lip lock with some guy from outta town who gets ya hard. If yer gonna show up ta work, work. If ya want ta go off an fuck you got ta call in for that. That’s also why I’m getting a new assistant tender, so all a you guys can have some more flexibility in yer schedule if you need it.”

“Right. I’m sorry about that. I got a little carried away. This thing with Chuck…”

“This thing with Chuck has got you makin out with customers in the back? Come on Rudy, how old are you, fifteen?”

Rudy smiled, blushing. “Ya you got a point there. You had somethin with this Gabe before huh?”

“If you could call it a somethin. It was somethin but I wouldn’t say it was much of a somethin. I don’t give a fuck about that. What I do care about is men are not allowed ta bring loaded weapons in or flash em in the bar. From what Ennis said he made some smart comment about settlin arguments with guns an that is not gonna go down here with me. I want this ta be a peaceful bar, an I want you ta help keep it peaceful an do not cross Ennis if he throws somebody out, even if you are fuckin em.”

Rudy blushed again, looking down.

“So, you are fuckin em. Just keep that action outta the bar, Rudy. An I mean it. It pisses Ennis off, an frankly… it pisses me off, an not because I’m jealous. Because Gabe is somethin of an asshole. You’ll find that out in good time. You hear me?”

“Yeah. An… thanks for not jumpin ta conclusions, Ellery.”

“I’m a detective Rudy, I come ta my own conclusions.”

“Right.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 10:38:10 am
A serious moment comes up unexpectedly in Chapter 22:

After dinner, Ennis drove Ellery back home, helped him get his brace on and return to bed since he was definitely sagging. He lay with Ellery for a while, as they waited for his second Percodan to kick in.

“You think I done the right thing, hirin Dupree an Jim?”

“Dupree for sure, he’s a sensible boy an I like em.”

“An Jim?”

Ennis shrugged, trying not to look at Ellery.

“What about em Ennis?”

“It’s yer bar.”

“Well, no, I thought I had gotten around ta tellin you that I think of it as part yer bar too Ennis.”

“I don’t own it, I am just helpin you out an payin part a my rent, Ellery.”

Ellery brought a long hand up and touched it lightly against Ennis’s cheek. “I think of us as partners, Ennis. An partners is… partners. I ain’t got nobody but you, an I want ta share my life with you, an that means sharin what I got.”

“Ellery we only been together…”

“That don’t matter Ennis. I never felt this way about Bill an we was together four years more or less. I want you ta be my partner… in every way. Ta share everythin.”

“Shit Ellery… I… I don’t know what ta say…”

“Say you ain’t gonna bolt out the door an drive off in a cloud a smoke cause I just scared ya witless.”

“Okay, I ain’t.” Ennis’s face was flushed, however, and he looked anxious, even frightened. “You… sure?”

“Sure I’m sure, Ennis. Have I told ya lately that I love ya?”

“Yeah, last night after the blowjob.”

Ellery smirked. “Oh yeah. Well I love ya, Ennis.”

Ennis leaned over and pressed his lips softly against Ellery’s cheek. “I love you too, darlin. Feel better. We can talk about it later, okay? I got ta go.”

Ellery nodded, a satisfied smile on his face. By the time Ennis pulled on his boots and denims, he was already nodding off. Ennis gave him another soft kiss on the cheek, which made him stir slightly, but he did not wake.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 10:45:04 am
Obviously, Ennis took the partner comment seriously. More from Chapter 22:

“So yer Ellie Mae’s new buck, huh?” Gabe said, deliberately situating himself on the stool Ennis had risen from.

Ennis did not reply, but moved down the bar. Gabe got up and followed, standing much too close as Ennis sat back down. “Can I help you with somethin?” he said, voice low, irritated but controlled.

“I asked you a question Del Monte.”

“The name is Del Mar,” Ennis replied, speaking through his teeth.

“So it is.” Gabe was still grinning nastily.

“An Ellery asked you nicely ta refer ta him by name at the time as well. If you come in here ta stir shit up or ta piss me off I’ll get yer pistols for ya an ya can go find another bar with some other guys in it ta pick on.”

“I came here ta talk ta you, Ennis Del Mar. Yer Ellery’s new buck then.”

“Partner.”

“Oh partner is it? Does that mean ya switch off? When I came round last year it was pretty much always him on the bottom, or have his tastes changed since then?”

Ennis got up from his stool. “Yer buggin me, Blackwell. So you’d best go.”

“I think maybe we’d just best step outside, seein as how we’re equivalently armed.”

“Why is that?”

“Cause I got a bone ta pick with you about embarrassin me in this bar in front a someone I respect.”

“That’s too bad. I think you had just better go,” Ennis said tightly, and nodded to Dupree.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 10:50:26 am
Chapter 23:

He pointed subtly with his glass. “That... is Lang, an he’s got a new boy. Careful, Leon’ll slap ya if ya get too close, he’s what the boys around here call a little bitch. Only boy I ever known who really deserves the moniker if ya ask me.”

Dupree chuckled. “How long you been around here? You really seem ta know these folks.”

Ennis shrugged. “Only so many queers in Laramie, Dupree, they show up over an over.”

“That’s true. You think this Gabe fella is gonna come back an stir things up?”

“Gee I dunno, but if Rudy calls an wakes Ellery up he is gonna get a piece a my mind.” Jim set the plate of nachos down for the bikers, setting out napkins, a welcoming smile on his face, and Ennis heard him introducing himself.

“Oh he’s a friendly one all right, looky there. Can you see him bein a bouncer here?”

“Nah. Too touchy feely is my view.”

“Bartender, cook, maybe.” Ennis turned away as one of the bigger men reached around Jim and patted his snugly clothed rear with a wide hand, giving his ass a squeeze. “Ain’t no one’d try that on me.”

“Cept Ellery.”

“He never done that. Not before we was...” Ennis suddenly turned brick-red. “He knows I ain’t into that public affection stuff.”

“What are you talkin about, Ennis?” Dupree said, looking frankly amazed. "He came out a the office today an threw his arm right around you an you didn’t even flinch! An right in front a me an Rudy too!”

“He did?”

Dupree nodded. “See, yer so used to it you don’t even notice anymore.”

“Wow, guess not.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 10:51:50 am
More from Chapter 23:

Jim made his way rapidly back to the bar, and Ennis felt his eyes on him.

“If he weren’t so full a his good looks it’d make it a whole lot easier ta tell em off,” Ennis said, voice pitched low enough for Dupree’s ear. At that, Dupree burst out laughing.

“So, he’s yer type, eh?”

“Maybe. If I didn’t have somebody already. But he is too fuckin nosy ta be my type if you want the truth.”

“I suppose if I was inta guys... he might be my type too,” Dupree said thoughtfully, making another surreptitious glance as Jim cleared a table and loaded a tray to return to the kitchen.

“You sayin somethin here Dupree?” Ennis peered over at him.

“Nope. Just talkin.”

Ennis nodded, an uncomfortable silence growing between them.

The next time Ennis looked up Lauren came over to them. “Rudy said everythin seems ta be under control so I am headin out. Did you hear? Wayne’s gonna be out a the hospital in a few days, they’re lettin em go home cause the fever broke an his breathin is better.”

“That is great Lauren. I’ll be sure ta tell Ellery, so he can visit em again, maybe he can stop by tomorrow if his walkin is better.”

“What’d he do ta hurt it again, Ennis?”

“Nothin. It just happens,” Ennis said, blushing. Dupree smirked slightly.

“Okay well I am gonna go an thanks again. I am real glad we got you two new guys on, welcome aboard Jeremy,” Lauren said to Dupree.

They watched him leave, and Dupree leaned over, tapping Ennis on the arm. “Okay so it didn’t just happen did it?”

“No.”

“Ya got too frisky didn’t ya?”

“Shut up Dupree,” Ennis said, but biting his lip did not keep a blush and a faint smile from creeping over his face. “Yeah.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 11:08:00 am
Chapter 24, Ellery's "little dress" makes its first appearance:

He got up from the sofa, setting down the cigar, and poured himself a scotch. Perhaps the last thing he needed, but it was late Saturday night, and there was nowhere to go and nothing to do Sunday. As he did he heard Ellery moving in the bedroom, and saw him in the doorway, wearing a brief robe sashed loosely around his waist, leaving most of his legs and thighs still bare. He was blinking and rubbing his eyes.

“Ennis, you just get home?”

“A bit ago. Busy night.”

“Yeah I expected it.” Ellery came out to the living room, reached for Ennis’s arm, limping, and leaned on him heavily. “You okay? You look like someone stole yer teddy bear or somethin.”

Ennis grinned despite his mood. “Nah. I’m okay.” He helped Ellery to the sofa and sat down next to him, and as he sat down Ennis smoothed his hair back over his face, leaning in to kiss him softly.

“Missed ya darlin,” he said softly, nibbling along his jawline. “An your as prickly as a porcupine.”

“You steppin out on me with porcupines now?” Ellery said, sighing softly.

Ennis laughed, the laugh almost a whisper against his ear. “Maybe.”

“Lauren do okay, he get off early?”

“Mmm hmmm.”

“Never thought that bar’d be so busy I would need staff for it, Ennis.”

“Well it is, busy all damn night, still full when I left at one.”

“Holy crap. Mmm, like those kisses.” Ellery’s head fell back as Ennis sucked softly on the soft flesh beneath his ear. “I ain’t all better yet boy, so if yer gonna get somethin started.”

“I know how ta beat off, Ellery, it’s okay,” Ennis said, his voice soft in his ear. “Just wanted ta kiss ya a while, hope ya don’t mind.” He moved his mouth down to the exposed adam’s apple then up over the prickly jaw and then pressed his mouth against Ellery’s, , tickling his bottom lip with his tongue before taking it firmly, his arm tightening around his shoulders. A kiss he had needed all night. He broke away from it reluctantly, tasting the faint flavor of cigars and scotch.

“Nope, I never mind kisses,” Ellery said, another sigh escaping him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 11:09:28 am
Chapter 24, again...

“Hmmmm....” Ellery murmured in his ear. “Good boy,” and raised his fingers, lapping the hot semen as he gazed into Ennis’s molten brown eyes. “Let’s fuck tomorrow, okay?”

“Sure enough,” Ennis replied, his voice a harsh whisper, coming down a little at a time. He felt a momentary guilt at letting himself be fired up by the attraction to another man, but those random thoughts had been overtaken by the soft voice in his ear, potent with promise, reassuring him that they were not in for another long bout of problems with Ellery’s back. Ellery rose then, dutifully, and strapped on his back brace.

Ennis looked up at him as he settled back into the bed, reaching a hand out to touch his face, to stroke back his hair. “I love ya.”

Ellery smiled. “Yeah, I can tell.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 11:10:47 am
Ah, a nice picture of Ellery in his robe...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/thumb.jpg)

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 11:16:10 am
Chapter 25:

“He is jealous as fuck, which makes no sense Ellery. He got someone ta fuck hasn’t he? Didn’t Rudy…”

“Yeah, he put the make on Rudy. But that was probably just ta see if he could rile me. Anyhow I ain’t meetin Gabe up there, I’m meetin Rudy, goin ta the safe, an that is that. He is gonna give his pistols back an that’s all there is to it.”

“An what if it ain’t like that, huh?” Ennis’s face grew dark.

“Sweetheart, I really, really want ta have a nice relaxin day an have a real nice roll in the sack with you. I don’t want ta have a showdown with some guy I fucked two times an you end up with another bruise on yer jaw or worse a fractured skull. Please, Ennis.”

“Fuck it, you think I can’t put him down if he swings at me?” Ennis half rose, hands on the table, looming over Ellery with an angry glare.

“Maybe ya can. I don’t want ta find out. An it disturbs me fer men ta fight over me like I’m a prize heifer. I ain’t.”

“I’m sorry… but that asshole… you don’t know what he said.”

“Oh, now let me think. He made some sort a insultin sexual comment about me.”

“Yeah he did. He said you was gonna be missin his cock.”

Ellery laughed. “Well that’s all. He must know how much I miss it since the minute I saw em I turned around an came home an got busy on yers, right?”

“I guess.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 11:18:20 am
And a bit more from Chapter 25:

“Sure you don’t want that other one? He’s big an strong an got a nice big cock,” Ennis said, leaning down, whispering fiercely. “I can pull out now if you want that other one.”

“No… no…” Ellery shook his head, long tendrils of hair cascading around his face. “I want yers, give it ta me.” And Ennis pulled back, heaved a breath, and plunged in with a loud, low groan of mixed pleasure, jealous triumph and relief. He fucked Ellery with short, powerful strokes, trying to hold his hips steady and not pound up against him, listening to the tenor of his moans, reaching beneath him and clinching his balls in his fingers and manipulating them, rewarded with a sudden clenching of his sphincter, and he leaned in, now thrusting shallowly but rapidly.

“Come on, boy, come on,” he urged softly, pushing up against his ass with powerful hip thrusts, “make yerself come…” and Ellery squeezed harder, moaning constantly from the accelerated pace of the sex, his sphincter clamping down on Ennis’s shaft as his climax built and exploded, and Ennis squeezed the tight balls and thrust, hard and deep, releasing his own orgasm with a joyful cry, letting go quickly and pulling out, still shuddering, his cock dribbling come.

Ellery lowered himself onto the bed, panting. “Good god, sweetheart.”

“Hope I wasn’t too rough,” Ennis said, stroking his hip, suddenly self-conscious.

“I think I’m okay,” Ellery replied, turning, a mischievous smile on his face. “That free floatin jealousy just gets you hardern steel don’t it?”

“Yep.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 16, 2007, 01:40:18 pm
Hi re-readers!

Wow - you've been busy this morning, Leslie!  What a great selection of quotes!  Thank you. 

I think Dupree needs some lessons from Ellery on how to make "free-floating" jealousy " work to his advantage - instead of turning it into an argument!  LOL!!!

Just because we can't look at this too many times and it did make an appearance recently -

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 11:10:47 am
Ah, a nice picture of Ellery in his robe...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/thumb.jpg)

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I just checked out the picture of Gabe Blackwell in the Gallery - LOL!!!!! That is hilarious - and I refuse to believe Ellery ever gave that guy a blow job!

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 16, 2007, 10:51:50 am
More from Chapter 23:

Jim made his way rapidly back to the bar, and Ennis felt his eyes on him.

“If he weren’t so full a his good looks it’d make it a whole lot easier ta tell em off,” Ennis said, voice pitched low enough for Dupree’s ear. At that, Dupree burst out laughing.

“So, he’s yer type, eh?”

“Maybe. If I didn’t have somebody already. But he is too fuckin nosy ta be my type if you want the truth.”

“I suppose if I was inta guys... he might be my type too,” Dupree said thoughtfully, making another surreptitious glance as Jim cleared a table and loaded a tray to return to the kitchen.

“You sayin somethin here Dupree?” Ennis peered over at him.

“Nope. Just talkin.”

Ennis nodded, an uncomfortable silence growing between them.


L

I guess Dupree was saying something there and not just talking.  But he didn't want to see that himself yet.  Re-reading is so much fun!

Thanks, Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 17, 2007, 12:35:29 pm
Re-readers...chapters 26-30 today

http://louisev.livejournal.com/56737.html

From chapter 26, good ol Ellie Mae and the gunslinger...


As though timed, the Sheriff’s department cruiser crunched gravel as it prowled down the alley toward them. “Well looky there,” Ellery said, smiling mischievously. “I guess yer time is up Gabe.” He signalled to the cruiser, which came on and slowed to a halt.

“Williams?” Ellery said, glancing back to see Gabe take a retreating step.

“You want this man taken in fer trespassin Chief?” the officer said.

Ellery turned and grinned at Gabe. “Gee I dunno. You trespassin?”

“Nope, just goin.” He backed away and then turned, hustling off.

“Just hover a bit, Williams, if ya don’t mind. He’s got weapons on em but they ain’t loaded.”

The uniform nodded, climbing back into his air conditioned cruiser, turning off his warning lights.

Ellery turned to Rudy. “Can’t ya find somebody who ain’t an asshole to spend time with Rudy?”

“He’s still interested in getting in yer pants,” Rudy said, ignoring the question.

“Well surprise surprise. Now ya know what it’s like ta be used. Sucks, don’t it? Do yerself a favour, don’t invite em back. He don’t get better.”

“Right.” Rudy slammed the door and hurried back up the stairs, not looking back.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 17, 2007, 12:39:52 pm
Chapter 27, the car accident that Ellery runs into, on his way home...

and the aftermath...

He drove slowly as he made it the remaining mile home, and Ennis was outside, still fiddling with his water feeder as he pulled up. He got out and forced himself to a normal, but slow walk, smiling as Ennis turned.

“I heard sirens,” he said. “That took a long time.”

“I had ta handle an accident at that curve on Vine. Almost got inta it, truth be known.”

“No problems with Rudy an the pistols?”

Ellery smiled, shook his head. “Would it make ya hornier if there was?”

“I think you know the answer ta that.”

“Yeah, then there was a big showdown an I had ta call dispatch ta get em ta haul Gabe away after he made a move on me.”

“Shit. Are you fuckin with me Ellery?” Ennis moved toward him, face darkening.

“Would it make ya hornier if I was?” He faked dodging away, and Ennis caught him up in his arms, mouth on his neck, sucking, half biting.

“Ya make me crazy as it is. We just got warmed up in there before,” he said, murmuring in Ellery’s ear as he massaged his ass roughly.

“Then I suggest you stop playin with the birdies an come back in, boy,” Ellery smirked, making a grab for the bulge in Ennis’s crotch. Ennis sidestepped and seized his wrist, twisting his arm and holding it up behind him.

“March,” he growled.

L



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 17, 2007, 12:45:40 pm
Chapter 29, Ennis makes a joke...

Ennis helped him get to the emergency desk, and the nurse looked on with concern. “Have you had a fall?”

“I ain’t checkin in,” Ellery said wearily. “I’m from the sheriff’s department,” he fumbled in his shirt pocket and pulled out his badge, setting it on the desk. “I am here ta see someone they brought in from a road accident. Name’s Bruce Eagleton.”

“Let me check on that for you Chief Deputy,” the nurse said, a little more starch in her manner since seeing Ellery’s badge. Ennis stood nearby in case he swayed or needed to be helped to a seat. She sat down and punched a red button on a phone.

“He is in a room now. If this is official, we can let you see him, but please make it as brief as possible. He needs rest.”

“He isn’t in danger or anythin?”

“You will have to ask his doctor, and only in the line of official inquiry.”

“I was the first responder, Nurse Harriman. It is part official and part not official, if you understand my meanin.”

Once again, her manner changed. “Oh, I see. So you won’t be charging him?”

“Charging him?”

She looked down at her clipboard, blushing slightly. “They said someone would be coming from the sheriff’s department for a toxicology and blood alcohol.”

“This ain’t about that,” Ellery replied, eyebrows raised. “But if someone does come an I’m in there, will you ask em to wait an talk ta me?”

“Surely, Chief Deputy.”

“I’ll need my cousin here ta help me, I am on narcotics and am somewhat impaired myself.”

“Were you injured in the accident?” she asked, brows narrowing.

“No. Mine was a few years back.”

She smiled tightly, and directed them to the room, thankfully only halfway down the looming hallway, and Ennis stepped forward to help Ellery shuffle toward the room.

“Feel like a fuckin cripple.”

“That’s cause you are. But at least yer the most satisfied fuckin cripple in this hospital right now,” Ennis joked weakly.

To his surprise, Ellery laughed out loud, then put his hand over his mouth, realizing where he was. “Yer probably right about that.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 17, 2007, 12:57:52 pm
More from Chapter 29:

“No sir. I... I knew a man from Jackson named Bruce Eagleton. We were in college together. When the sheriff called me and told me that it was you in the accident... I am part of the investigation team from the Sheriff’s office on the Steele prosecution... I thought you were the same man.”

“I don’t think so, you can’t be forty years old. I’m a hell of a lot oldern that. But I had a son, Bruce Jr.”

Ellery felt like an absolute idiot. Of course. He had known, somewhere in the mists of time, that Beagle’s father had been in law, which was part of his own interest in criminal justice. He had been pressuring Beagle to follow in his footsteps. “That must be it then.”

“You went to school with him – up in Jackson?”

“No, down here at the U. I take it he transferred up there.”

“For a while. Fancy meetin a friend a my boy’s down here. So did you save my life or what? Do I have ta send ya a Christmas turkey?”

“I don’t think I saved yer life, I just dispatched the ambulance and got someone ta put out flares.”

“Well we could stretch a point. If I am laid up here moren a few days chances are he’ll be down ta see me. I’ll give em your number.”

“Yeah. That would be good,” Ellery said, feeling a fluttering in his stomach. He wrote it out on the back of his office card. “That is also good if you intend to stay on as Steele’s defense counsel. I am the investigatin officer for the Sheriff’s department. They said not ta stay so I will let you rest.”

Eagleton shot out a hand. “Nice ta meet ya, Ellery. I’ll tell Junior ya stopped by.” Ellery took his hand, his throat slowly going dry. He limped slightly as he left the hospital room, and Ennis straightened up from leaning on the wall, bracing his shoulders once more as he hobbled out.

“Well?” Ennis said, once they were outside.

“Not him. It’s his father.”

“Oh. He gonna get in touch?”

Ellery pretended nonchalance. “Maybe. We’ll see.”

L


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 17, 2007, 01:02:27 pm
Chapter 30, the famous "formers on the ground" line...

“Ya know...” Ennis said as they rounded the curve on the county road that dumped off onto Ellery’s street... “yer formers are gettin a little thick on the ground, Ellery.”

Ellery sighed. “I was wonderin when the other shoe was gonna drop on that.”

“Just sayin.”

“Ennis, it might seem that way but it really ain’t. Considerin I am almost forty. On the other hand, you’d meet more of Wayne’s formers on a light night at the Red Stallion.”

“Yeah but that’s Wayne. Shit, Ellery I forgot ta tell ya, Lauren told me last night they are gonna let Wayne outta the hospital sometime this week.”

“Oh... that’s really good. So as I was sayin...it ain’t all that many, an besides, one of em is in jail with his bail revoked, so he won’t be around for five to ten even if he pleads, more like 15 an gettin out in eight on parole with good behavior, the other one lives in Montana an he was little more’n a one night stand... actually, didn’t count him in the seven I told you about...”

“Jesus Ellery....”

“An Beagle... he ... he was the other serious guy besides Bill. It ain’t like my formers are really thick on the ground the way you say...” Ellery was exhausted, cranky, and his encounter with Beagle’s father had affected him far more than he was willing to let on.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 17, 2007, 01:04:37 pm
More from Chapter 30...

Ennis hurried around the car, swearing, face red, near purple, and reached down, pulling Ellery up by his arms and into a close, hard embrace. “Yes... you are. An stop actin like a fuckin baby, Ellery, or I can hold ya still enough ta give ya a real smart spankin if you want one.”

Ellery leveled his eyes at Ennis’s, his face nearly as red with frustration and anger, and suddenly laughed. “Yer gonna spank me.... well you just go ahead boy.”

“I will,” Ennis argued. He walked Ellery away from the car and locked the door, then up the walk and into the house, slow, steady and deliberate.

“You can let me go, Ennis, I can get to the bedroom...” Ellery muttered, trying to pull away from Ennis’s tight hold as they got inside the house.

“Nuh uh. You are goin in there, I’m pullin down yer pants an givin ya what ya got comin,” Ennis said tightly, his voice low and firm, and Ellery felt a thrill descend his spine. Legs like jelly, aching and empty from their marathon afternoon, drugged silly, and he was aroused once more, his groin tight from the growl of threat he heard in Ennis’s voice. I must be crazy in lust with the boy, he thought dizzily.

“Fuck you, boy, lemme go,” he replied, but the anger had gone out of his voice, leaving a weak, stuttering bravado that seemed more like teasing than resistance.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 17, 2007, 01:05:51 pm
And the end of Chapter 30:

“I got ta fuck ya now, I’ll be real careful...” he said, and thrust in, slowly, gulping, into that hot tightness. And he knew that once would not be enough... today would not be enough. There would never be enough of this pleasure for more than a little while before he would need it again.

It seemed it took forever for the slow thrusts to build, and every ounce of will in Ennis’s body, drilled into him by the effort it took him to hold Ellery up as he walked to and from the car, down the corridor of that hospital, getting him in and out of bed and clothed. With every slow penetration, every long, sibilant moan that came out of his lover, he disciplined himself to gentleness, an alien trait that he had to develop, somehow, and somehow... he did it, the slow, deepening thrusts at last yielding a low, passionate groan of pleasure and the rapid spasm in Ellery’s hole that quickly brought him off, and he arched his back for that delicious thrust, the burst of release that was too long coming... and then pulled out and away, taking the pressure off his spine, falling back onto the bed, breathing as if blowing steam from a long chugging haul up a mountainside.

“Jesus Ennis... “ Ellery sighed, still shuddering slightly.

“Yeah, didn’t think I could do it like that.”

“Well ya done it like that.”

“Got ta spank ya more often I suppose.”

“Is that a fact...”

“Yup, think I will.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 17, 2007, 02:23:45 pm
Thank you, Leslie - Greetings, All!

Jumping back to Chapter 27, because as Ennis does, I like to see Ellery acting all official-like -

He heard a car’s horn before he saw the dust kick up ahead of him, and stomped the brake, holding his breath. Well-maintained, the El Camino screeched and halted, what seemed like a hair’s breadth from the collision blocking the road ahead of him. The impact had occurred seconds before he made the turn, a recent model black pickup spun all the way around in the middle of the road to avoid an oncoming 59 Cadillac lumbering out of nowhere. He recovered his breathing, flipped on his siren, and groped his emergency light out of the holder, slapping it on the roof , then threw the El Camino in reverse so he could cover the turn he had just flown through. Another pickup was coming down the road and squealed its own brakes on, and he blocked the road sideways with the El Camino, then palmed on the radio.

“Dispatch, collision at Vine and Cheyenne Way. Cantrell on the scene, possible injury, send traffic control. I’ve blocked the east side.”

He hopped out of the El Camino then and hurried, limping, toward the worst looking of the two vehicles, the pickup, the driver hunched over the wheel and not moving, reached up and felt for a pulse. Out, but not down. The driver looked middle aged, his hat rolled to the floor, a bruise on his forehead where he impacted the wheel. He loosened his shirt and patted his cheek. “Sir… sir… I’m from the sheriff’s department, wake up, you’ve been in an accident.”

Across the intersection he saw someone opening the door of the Cadillac. “Clear the road!” he yelled. “Someone could come along an hit ya… get away from the car an clear the road!”

A younger looking man, hat tight in his hand, nodded once and hurried off to the shoulder. He looked east, still leaning in over the unconscious driver of the pickup, and saw two cars slowing and stopping.

“Hey!” he shouted, waving. “You there, come here!” And a tall, gangling teenager got out of his truck and hustled over. “You got emergency flares?” He nodded. “Then light em down that way about 50 yards, an at the first flare stand on the shoulder an flag the first car down an have em put on his emergency blinkers. Someone else is gonna crash into this scene if we don’t.”

The boy nodded, gulping, and raced back to his truck, and made good time past him, pausing to light a flare and waving it as he ran, managing to flag down an approaching semi-trailer as he did. The trailer slowed, the driver got out and lighted a flare of his own.

“Sir…” Ellery checked the driver’s pulse again. Thready. Maybe concussive. Come on dispatch, where the fuck is the ambulance…. It seemed whenever an emergency happened, that time dragged, but by the time he had resolved to radio dispatch again he heard a siren. A police cruiser, followed by an ambulance.

“Over here!” he shouted. “Unconscious, can’t rouse em.”

The EMT hurried out of the ambulance with his bag and came over to the driver’s side of the truck. “You got em?” Ellery asked, and the man nodded, signalling for the second EMT, who was unloading a gurney, and the man nodded.

“Good thing ya didn’t move em.”

“Yeah.” Ellery flashed his badge at the EMT, who blushed and nodded. “Sorry sir, shoulda known.”

Ellery limped rapidly over to the cruiser… “Need traffic control on the west side, got a semi with flares there now.”

“Hey Chief, how did you get in the middle a this?” It was Murdoch.

“Hey Murdoch, did you hear what I just said?”

“Yeah, go easy, I’m on overtime okay?”

“Just get yer ass on the other side a this accident before someone rearends someone, this is a bad curve.”

Murdoch touched his hat. “Yes sir.”

“I’ll call for a couple a more vehicles.”

“Thanks, chief.”


Quote from: MaineWriter on January 17, 2007, 12:45:40 pm
Chapter 29, Ennis makes a joke...

“That’s cause you are. But at least yer the most satisfied fuckin cripple in this hospital right now,” Ennis joked weakly.

To his surprise, Ellery laughed out loud, then put his hand over his mouth, realizing where he was. “Yer probably right about that.”

L


Some day I should compile a list of all Ennis's jokes - I bet there are more than I thought - and they're always good ones!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 18, 2007, 02:01:49 pm
Hey re-readers!

Chapters 31-35 today.

from 31:

“He... he had a guy, back in college, an it broke up real badly. Now suddenly the guy’s daddy is down in Laramie on a court case with em an they might meet up again through his daddy. I don’t know that it’ll happen but it might as well cause it’s got em in a mood.”

“Yes I see. I definitely would try ta draw em out an talk about it. Remember it was long long ago, an if that boy was important to em he wouldn’t have let 20 years pass without seein em. Ellery’s got access to the whole state police database an he coulda kept track of anybody in Wyomin by goin into the computer or makin a phone call. If he hadn’t a done that, then he has moved on so you don’t need ta worry about your ... relationship to em. Just keep that in mind. He loves you Ennis.”

“Yeah,” Ennis smiled as she spoke. “He sure does. Tells me all the time.”

“He is a very lovin boy an he just shines with you around, so you keep that in mind even when it seems like he isn’t lookin right at you, you know where his heart is.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 18, 2007, 02:50:13 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 18, 2007, 02:01:49 pm
Hey re-readers!

Chapters 31-35 today.

“He is a very lovin boy an he just shines with you around, so you keep that in mind even when it seems like he isn’t lookin right at you, you know where his heart is.”
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L

That was such a nice thing to say. I love Edna  :)


And Ennis sure was pleased to see Ellery get home early...

Ennis got up. “Why don’t you put on those cutoffs a yours an no shirt, an I’ll get the grille goin?”

“Oh I see, you got the whole evenin planned do ya?”

“Yeah.”

“All right, but only if Mr. Coyote is gonna make a cameo appearance later.”

“That can be arranged,” Ennis said, a mischievous look on his face, and then snapped his teeth loudly before he ducked into the kitchen through the open door.


*sigh* I want that movie, now please!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 18, 2007, 04:04:58 pm
Hi Gang - no time for lunch, massive computer problems, overall crappy day - I need my E&E! 

Yes, I love Edna, too!  And I love Ennis in Chapter 32:

“Did you watch Dupree an me doin anythin special the other night while you was here the whole damn time? We was watchin the big guys an make sure they don’t push the little guys around, goin in the Gents ta make sure nobody was buyin blowjobs, an kickin the drunks out if they caused trouble. That’s the job, Jim.”

“It’s a little rough,” he said, pouting.

“Then you’ll just have ta grow a bit of a spine.”

Jim shook his head. “Are you always like this? So... intense?”

“I’m always me, who else would I be?”

“Don’t you ever kick back, lighten up, you know... relax?”

“Not while I’m workin as a bouncer in the Red Stallion, Jim. Maybe you make a good server, but bein a bouncer means tellin people shit they don’t want ta hear. Maybe you don’t like that part a the job, but ya can’t be Mary Sunshine all the goddamn time.”


Yes.  Ennis is always Ennis.  So ironic and so sad that a person so lacking in pretense was forced to live a lie for so long.    :'(  But I do love when he tells Jim to grow a spine! 

Gotta dash!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 19, 2007, 07:45:25 am
from chapter 33. Ellery is having nightmares

“Cut it out Beag, I said –“ and he was thrown to the bed, air knocked out of him, and he huffed, trying to inhale as the heavier body landed on him, cock thrusting wildly against the cheeks of his ass as Beagle fumbled for his tube of KY somewhere near the pillow, finally seizing on it with a low “ah ha.”

“Hold still or yer gettin it.”

“You ain’t gettin it!” Ellery heaved up and twisted, managing to get his hip wedged against Beagle’s torso while he was busy squirting lube on his fingers.

He dropped the tube, lubricant forgotten. “Dammit I said hold still, now yer gettin it,” and with a force Ellery had not known existed, brought down his larger hand down on his exposed ass in a stinging slap that made his eyes spring tears and a yelp coming to his throat, then his hips were pressed against the bed once more and what little lube remained on Beagle’s fingers was going to suffice, and he stabbed his cock in mostly dry, the friction almost as searing as the pain of the slap, and Ellery bucked hard up against him, fighting like a wildcat against being penetrated, and Beagle let go of his right hip just long enough to deal him another vicious slap which ended with pressing his cheeks apart and thrusting savagely.

“I told you...” he growled, his voice shaking with violence... “you were gonna get it...” as he began to thrust hard and deep into Ellery’s unprepared ass.

“Stop, stop... Beagle stop...” he cried, at first with a fierce shout and then dissolving into whispers and sobs, whatever pleasure he might have derived from the forced coupling, washed away by the grief of being assaulted by the one he loved. Behind them, a sudden fall gust of air lifted the pages of Ellery’s trigonometry homework and scattered them on the sticky floor.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 19, 2007, 07:51:49 am
from chapter 34 Getting Advise

A conversations between Ennis and Ellery

“You think I can hold off sneakin into the Red Stallion tonight? I don’t feel like I want ta prance around for the entertainment a your new boys tonight, an I been muckin out mares all day an feel like a wet dishrag.”

“Yeah, sure. I appreciate the time you put in, Ennis, I truly do.”

“Good. I’m gonna pick up some more steaks ta grill tonight, that okay with you?”

“Get some more a those little cherry tomatoes, those were good.”

“Sure enough. Hey, Ellery.”

“Hmmm?”

“I love you, darlin. That guy call ya?”

“Nope. I don’t think he will.”

“Maybe not. But if it’s botherin ya... you can talk about it. Ya know, like I get ta talk about Jack whenever my stomach is all in knots.”

“That is kind a you ta say, Ennis. Maybe after a bunch a those cherry tomatoes an a nice grilled steak, okay?”

“Yeah. I’m there for you ta lean on no matter what. “

“Thanks. That does mean a lot ta me Ennis. See ya later.”

Ellery set the phone down, staring at it for a long moment. “I’m there for you ta lean on? Is he watchin daytime self improvement shows or what?”


That last line made me laugh at first. But then, how sad is it that a 38 year old man is surprised to hear that from the one he loves? About time he had someone he can lean on.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 19, 2007, 07:54:23 am
And more from chapter 34 (hey, i'm on a roll here  ;D)

A conversation between Wes and Ellery, between father and son

“Listen Wes, I’m worried about Ennis.”

“You’re worried about Ennis? Well that is interestin. Because Ennis is worried about you.”

“Worried about me? What for?”

“He called my wife for advice.”

“You are shittin me.”

“My wife generally is not given to bouts a fantasy of that nature, Chief Deputy.”

“All right all right. What kind a advice?”

“On how ta be supportive ta you durin a crisis type a situation of the personal kind. Are you tellin me what type a crisis he might be alludin to now that you have come ta me of yer own free will?”

“Well let me see, after lookin into Ennis’s former lover’s murder, an bein chased down and hunted by the man, an havin em savagely ambush me an my loved one at my home and then hunt him down immediately thereafter an attempt ta murder em in cold blood, then findin out he is afflicted with a fatal sexually transmitted disease... shit Wes...”

“What’s the end a the sentence Ellery? What happened new that is the exclamation point to all a that crap?”

“Well there was a guy I had a thing with showed up last year caused a disturbance last weekend...”

“Yes, you called a 911 on him didn’t you?”

“Yeah. Ennis an Dupree threw him out a the bar an he came circlin back, got into a little mix with my bartender just to get my skirts up an then Ennis ended up putting his pistols in the safe.”

“But that ain’t what Ennis called Edna about....” Wes said. “Ya know I chose law enforcement because I didn’t want ta be a dentist, an here I am pullin teeth anyway.”

“It’s about that lawyer’s son, okay? Eagleton.”

“Ah. Boy you went ta school with.”

“Boy I spent all freshman year in bed with,” Ellery said softly.

“Oh ho, so it’s like that.”

“Yeah. Like that. An then went off an got married in the summer an sent me an invite to his weddin.”

“Ya know, Ellery, if there were ever an argument for not bein queer that is it right there. On the barrel head.”

“Well yes it is sort of the worst possible thing ta happen to a couple a guys who are gettin it on, for one of em to suddenly have a white weddin. Leaves things in an indeterminate state as it were.”

“So you ever talk to em after?”

“Nope. Gave my card to his dad last Sunday at the hospital an been starin at my phone since then.”

“An he didn’t call. Is he gonna call?”

“He never called the summer after he moved outta the dorm at the U. He didn’t call after I woke up from takin too many downers that summer. Why would he call now?”

“Curiosity? Regrets?”

“Wes. It’s bad enough I’m havin nightmares about it. Yer not helpin.”

“An you sittin there starin at the phone ain’t helpin neither. You talk ta Ennis about this?”

“Yep. Not all a what’s on my mind but yeah he knows, he brought me ta the damn hospital when I thought it was Beagle lyin there with a head wound.”

“Beagle?”

“Nickname. Bruce Eagleton. Beagle. I was the Beatle an he was the Beagle.”

“How little I know about my employees,” Wes said, tapping his fingers to his forehead.

“So now you know all there is ta know a bout my checkered former love life.”

“Except what I don’t know. Talk ta Ennis. He would not have called my wife for advice if he wasn’t worried sick.”

“He just told me on the phone he was there for me ta lean on.”

Wes burst into a wide grin. “That’s my Edna.”

“He bought a charcoal grille. He cleaned the oven an changed the sheets on the bed.”

“My wife is an immensely powerful domestic influence, Ellery, do not underestimate her.”

“I will remember that, Sheriff.”

“Talk to Ennis.”



A powerful domestic influence!  :laugh:  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 10:28:04 am
Ladies, thanks for helping out with the quotes! I appreciate it...

Here, some famous lines from Chapter 35:

“Well well, Marlboro man, you look like yer expectin somebody.”

“I’m expectin Chief Deputy Darlin as a matter a fact,” Ennis said, smiling tightly. “You gonna gimme a ticket fer havin an illegal fire or somethin?”

“Nah, I figured I’d eat first an maybe spank later.”

“Huh, that’ll be the day you get me over yer knee, Officer.”

“You don’t think I can? You just let me get this gun off a me an you’ll see what I can muster up...” Ellery passed close by, reaching out with a long arm, feigning toward Ennis’s ass as he did, and Ennis straightened up, giving him a mock-angry glare.

“I don’t think you’d dare...” he said softly, but that smile still played over his lips.

Ennis looked up from lifting skewers onto a serving plate to see Ellery return, naked but for his own cutoffs, hanging tantalizingly from his hips, showing more than half of the line of dark hair leading from his navel down to his pubes, and his eyes widened slightly as he sidled up. “There, that a little better? Gives me maneuverability if we’re gonna scuffle,” Ellery said, beaming a wide, wicked smile at him.

“You can’t take advantage a the Marlboro man, it would upset the balance a masculinity in the universe,” Ennis pronounced, setting the plate down. “Just because I do the cookin around here don’t mean I ain’t the one wearin the pants.”

“I got pants on,” Ellery said, tugging seductively at the dangerously positioned waistband of his cutoffs.

“You got pants mostly off,” Ennis said. “I can see halfway ta France. Good thing your employees from the Red Stallion ain’t here or their tongues’d be on the floor."

“An they wouldn’t be gettin none served to em either. My road ta France is reserved for one man only, Mr. Please an Thank You.”

“Why thank you,” Ennis said primly, sitting down. “Dinner is served.”

“Can I sit on your lap an have you pop pieces a shish kabob in my mouth?”

“Well that might not be good for your back.”

Ellery shrugged. “I figured I’d try.”

Ennis leaned forward, dropping his voice. “Tell you what. We finish off our shish kebab an we can go in the bedroom an I’ll sit you down on my cock, how’s that sound?”

Ellery’s eyes widened. “What are we waitin for, let’s eat!”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 10:34:18 am
More from Chapter 35:

Ennis had clearly been bored at work once more, ruminating while cleaning out stalls, perhaps, because it became clear halfway through the finger food that he was already hard and holding back from putting his hands on Ellery, his eyes drifting again and again to his bare chest, the dark line of hair wandering south of his flat belly, and Ellery smiled at him, winking, each time he caught his wandering eye travelling over his body.

“You are a caution, boy,” he said softly. “I never felt so pretty in my life.”

“Pretty ain’t the word. More like... delicious,” Ennis said, popping a cherry tomato in his mouth and squishing it between his teeth. “I got plans fer you.”


and then, later...

“That was real fun, sweetheart.”

“Yeah. Thought a that one all day.”

Ellery grinned. Real glad you are in the horse business, it brings out yer creative streak.”

“Yeah, don’t it...” Ennis said, blushing slightly as he rolled onto his side, looking at him, brushing the hairs away to look down into the pale face. “You doin okay?”

“You asked me that already.”

“I’m kinda worried, cause a that thing, with yer former.”

“Yeah, well. It’s in the past, Ennis. Yer in the present, an I am likin what’s happenin here, an that is all that matters now.”

“Yer sure...”

“Yeah. I had a bad dream. Couple nights ago. No big deal, but it bothered me.”

“What was it about?”

“I had a dream Beagle came home drunk an raped me.”

“Jesus. That ever happen?”

“No. That’s why it bothered me. But I figured... I must still be mad at him for what he done an that’s how I felt when I woke up from the dream, real mad at em for just usin me as a fuck toy an then leavin me for a girl. Not too hard ta figure out when ya have basic psychology.”

“Yeah, but it feels like shit,” Ennis said.

“That is for damn sure. But I feel real good right now Ennis. That’s all I wanna think about right now, is how good I feel, an how much I love you right now.”

”Okay. You can tell me if ya need to... if anythin.. bothers ya.”

“I know.”

Ennis leaned over and brushed Ellery’s cheek gently with his thumb. “You are real precious ta me darlin. That’s why I spend all day thinkin about new ways ta love ya. I want ya ta know.”

“Oh, I know. Right now I feel... real delicious.”

Ennis’s face stilled. “Shit, I left all that stuff on the patio. We’ll have skunks by mornin. You stay there, this won’t be long.” He slid out of bed and put on his cutoffs, and distantly, Ellery heard the bang of utensils and plates as Ennis cleaned up the patio from their interrupted meal, drifting off, thinking idly to himself... if only I coulda dreamed about this when I fell asleep the other night. And that was his last thought before he fell into a peaceful slumber, spreadeagled on the bed.

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 10:39:38 am
Okay, re-reading today, 36-40, and 36 is so freaking sad...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/59326.html

Ennis sat quietly, watching him, brown eyes black in the gloom, face still.

“He never told me he loved me, or even wanted ta be with me. I guess, if I think about it objectively, the whole romance part of it was just me.”

“Well, what did he say when you was doin it with em?”

“Usually just ‘roll over,’ or ‘on yer knees’ or ‘suck it’ or whatever, he wasn’t big on endearments.”

“Huh. Not even when he came, or after?”

Ellery smiled wryly. “Said fuck a lot. Lots a loud gruntin.”

“Shit darlin, ya deserve more’n that.”

“One night I told em I didn’t want ta be his fun an he should go out an watch a movie or play skeeball.”

“What’d he do?”

“Swore a lot, then he took off, went out an played skeeball, won a big plush panda an came home an gave it ta me an said sorry.”

“Then what?”

“Then a course he had ta fuck me cause he said sorry, an like a sap I bought it. Bent me right over the panda an stuck it in an never another word about havin a relationship or us bein queer or where we’re goin with it, which is what the whole fight was about. I shouldn’t a given in. But I was eighteen, Ennis... an he gave me a stuffed panda.” Ellery’s eyes glittered strangely, and Ennis’s hand came up, his thumb brushing his pale cheek.

“Still hurts though.”

“It was twenty years ago. Maybe rememberin all those hurts is part a what makes a man queer, I dunno, I shoulda be over it. I don’t cry nearly so much about my daddy dyin like he did as I did about this.”

“Maybe he didn’t know how ta love ya, darlin.”

“Huh, that is a pretty safe bet, Ennis. A pretty safe fuckin bet.”

“So if he calls what’re ya gonna say?”

Ellery twisted his face into a grimace. “I’m gonna say – you ready to apologize yet?”

“Really?” Ennis grinned. “Good fer you.”

“I dunno. I might be in too much shock hearin his voice if ya want ta know the truth. I think I’d rather face an armed man with a rifle than ta talk to em again right now.”

“C’mon, c’mere,” Ennis said, holding out his arms, drawing him in. “Whatever ya say is good enough fer me.”

“Wes said you called Edna fer advice.”

“I guess I shoulda asked her ta keep it to herself.”

“There ain’t no keepin it to yerself between Edna an Wes, Ennis,” he murmured against his shoulder. “They are a crack team a investigation professionals.”

“I guess so. I was worried about ya.”

“Yeah, I know. An I’m glad.” Ennis laid him back gently in the bed, smoothing his long hair against the pillow.

“An I’m still worried.”

“Maybe it’s time I got worried about Ennis, cause it feels a little dark right now.”

“I’m right here,” Ennis whispered, lips against his cheek. “An I love ya.”

Ellery’s eyes closed, tears leaking out from beneath his long lashes. “Thank you.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 10:44:23 am
Ha ha, a little trip down memory lane...

After chapter 36, the annnouncement of this thread!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/59433.html

The good old days...hey, the days are still good in Ennis and Ellery-land!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 10:46:28 am
Chapter 37:

Ellery’s eyes drilled into Wes hard, his expression grim. “Without Amos there?”

“Without Amos there,” he nodded. “An another thing. Eagleton will be ready tomorrow to go ahead with his preliminary motions on Steele. He is back from Jackson tonight.” He kept his eye on Ellery when he finished talking, and Ellery stared back at him.

“What?”

“The boy didn’t call ya?”

“No, he didn’t call me. I don’t expect em to. But to keep you from buggin me about it every six minutes I will tell you if he does, okay?”

“Why not call em an get it over with?”

“Because.”

Wes smirked. “Because? Because a why? You ain’t eighteen anymore Ellery. You got something on yer mind, the man has a phone, an I know you pulled his address out a the DMV computer two days ago.”

“Yer watchin me.”

“I pay close attention to those I care about, Ellery. So because a why?”

“Because it’s best ta let sleepin dogs lie. If he got something ta say he has my number now.”

“Uh huh. Talk ta Ennis.”

“I fuckin talked ta Ennis. He knows all about it.”

“An he thinks you should let it all lie like a growlin dog ready ta pounce.”

“Wes, you know that thing I told you about playin daddy?”

“Mel an Amos’ll be here in an hour. Be polite, an do NOT change yer socks or I’ll make ya go barefoot.”

Ellery cracked a smile, and rose from his desk, hiking up his dress blacks. “Passin muster yet Sheriff?”

“Hunh,” Wes said, glancing disinterestedly at the span of black sock on Ellery’s ankle, and shuffled out of the room, scratching his head.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 10:53:21 am
A famous exchange from Chapter 37!

“To the matter at hand, however,” Mel continued, taking a shallow drag on the cigar before continuing. “Amos seems to feel that your personal … er… circumstances aggravate the attempts of the District Attorney’s department to get cooperation from the suspect, and that this has led to a … negative result.”

Ellery gave Mel a long look. “Mel, with all due respect. You went there with me. You did the talkin. You laid the options on the table. You sat through the twenty long minutes a baleful silence when he didn’t say nothin. Now you tell me whether I am the factor exacerbatin things or not.”

Wes spoke up. “The human factor here is really difficult ta sort. But it will be a cold day in hell when I take a senior officer out of an investigation in which he is intimately involved and uniquely qualified ta continue to work with the suspect and witnesses, simply because he is of the same sexual persuasion. If we started doin that then we wouldn’t have anybody to investigate all the so called normal sex crimes since most of our guys are heterosexuals.”

“It ain’t that,” Amos said. “Ellery just ain’t professional in approachin this high profile case.”

Wes turned a baleful eye on Amos. “If it weren’t fer Ellery workin through the weekend you wouldn’t a known whose fingerprints was whose when Steele went ta arraignment a couple a weeks ago, an that was a favour we did you Amos. If yer talking about the sock thing…”

“There’s another thing.”

“Oh?” Mel turned then and all eyes were then on Amos as he looked nervously from face to face.

“This I got ta hear,” Ellery said.

“He… showed up in court with a hickey on his neck.”

“What?” Mel said, squinting as if he hadn’t heard correctly. Ellery suppressed a smirk.

“A… love bite. You know. One a them obvious things.”

Mel frowned, eyes narrowing further. “Amos… don’t tell me… we came over here to discuss whether the Chief deputy handling our attempted murder and stalking case is suitable to continue on this case because he had a hickey on his neck.”

“Uh, Mel… it was unseemly…” Amos stuttered.

Mel stood up. “Sorry to bother you Wes, Ellery. I want to have Ellery come with me back down to County to tell Worrell his time is running out on his options. I have no more questions about Ellery’s professionalism.”

Wes stood slowly, a reserved expression on his face. “I appreciate yer takin the time, Mel. We are all frustrated here an maybe we’ll catch a break if he knows he hasn’t got forever to play us.”

Mel nodded at Amos to proceed him out the door, gesturing with his hat. “Let’s go Amos. You have motions to respond to.”

Wes closed the door on them as they left and sat back down, picking up his cigar.

“Chalk one up for the queers,” Ellery said.

“Is it too much ta ask if next time there is a motion hearing on Worrell you button yer shirt up to the collar?”

“No it ain’t too much ta ask, Wes,” Ellery grinned.

“Just remember,” he said, squinting at the slight impress that marked the healing piercing on Ellery’s left ear. “Earrings are against our uniform code.”

“Yeah, I know.”

“That’ll be all.” He turned and opened the door.

“Hey Wes?”

“Hmm.” The older man’s dark brown gaze rested on Ellery.

“Thanks fer carin. It does help.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 11:03:25 am
Chapter 38...

He woke gradually, eyes opening, to see Ellery standing in the doorway, a smirk on his face, watching him dozing with his wet cock in his hand. “I see you weren’t waitin fer me today…”

“Hey. I was… thinkin a some new things an got carried away.”

“So you did, must a been good.” He unfastened his shoulder holster, unloaded his gun as Ennis sat up, then held out a hand. “No, you stay there, boy.” Ennis eased back onto his bent elbows, cock lolling in his opened fly.

“What a you got on your mind?”

Ellery did not reply, but his eyes flicked to Ennis’s exposed cock, then unbuttoned his shirt and shucked it off, leaving his upper half bare, and he went to his knees by the side of the bed, leaned over, and sucked Ennis’s sticky cock into his mouth in a rapid movement, then began to suck, cleaning off the remnants of his ejaculation, pulling off his now half-tumescent shaft and grinning up at him. “That was too tasty to pass up.”

“Jesus Ellery you do like ta suck cock.”

“So now I got yer attention, what was it that got ya worked up, I want ta hear all about it,” he said, fingers closing over his base, giving it a squeeze and beginning to stroke his cock slowly but firmly.

“I… got some more a those ropes,” Ennis said, stammering, his hips rolling up as he aroused once more. “I was thinking… I could tie ya hand an foot, maybe put that thing in yer ass again an give you a good spankin…”

“Oh my, you have been thinking. What makes ya think I want ta get my ass spanked?” Ellery’s voice was sultry.

“Because a … oh darlin…” he gasped, thrusting in the air once more, his denims slipping down further, “ya came so good last time.”

“Yer figurin out all my secrets, Ennis. Pretty soon I’ll be yer slave.”

"God I hope so. That feels so good," Ennis breathed.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 11:05:07 am
More from 38, Beagle on the phone...

“Maybe so.” The distant, familiar tenor voice softened, seemed wistful. “Well?”

“Well what? You come down here an call me yeah we can talk. Maybe you can come to my bar, it’s fer queers only. That is, if yer queer.”

“Maybe not there. Maybe… dinner or somethin…” his voice trembled.

“I’m involved with someone, Beagle. I ain’t interested in gettin anythin together with you.”

“I didn’t … I didn’t think so.”

“All right.”

"So...." Beagle's voice faltered then into silence.

“Sure then, call me when you come ta town.”

“Okay, talk to ya soon then, maybe couple a weeks.” Ellery said goodbye and set down the phone, looked at it for a long moment.

“That was him huh?” Ennis’s voice was thick as he stood in the doorway, face still.

“Yeah.” Ellery turned to him, eyes gleaming with what might have been tears. “I shoulda told em to fuck off I guess. I didn’t.”

“He wants ta see ya.”

Ellery nodded slowly. “Got ta sit down.” He came toward Ennis then, whose arms went around his shoulders, pulling him close and tight.

“It’s gonna be all right darlin, I’m here.”

“Yeah. Good thing.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 11:11:25 am
Chapter 39...

“Oh lord darlin...” he whispered against the sweaty shoulder beneath him. “You okay?”

“Oh yeah.”

The room was silent except for their still-labored but slowing breaths, and Ennis pulled out slowly, rising to his knees, turning his head as he heard something in the sudden quiet. “Hear somethin,” he said.

Then it came again, the sound of a fist banging on the front door, then the chime of the bell once more, which neither had heard during the chorus of sex. “Shit, somebody’s bangin on the door, Ennis...” Ellery sighed.

“I’ll go,” Ennis said, rising to his feet and sliding on his denims, heedless of his dripping cock.

“Sweetheart...” Ellery said, but Ennis had left the room, leaving Ellery completely helpless, tied hand and foot.

Ennis zipped up and ran his fingers through his hair, stopping long enough to remember to look through the peephole before he unlocked the door. “Jesus Christ amighty,” he swore, then pulled the door open.

“Wayne, what the fuck are you doin here?”

Worn, tired, rail thin and looking at least ten years older, Wayne gave Ennis a weak smile, ignoring his sweat-soaked hair and dripping chest.. “I was beginnin ta think you guys was dead in there. I got outta the hospital an came ta say hi.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 11:15:40 am
Chapter 40...

Ellery came out of the bathroom, hair combed back wet, a little smile on his face. “Well Wayne, just like you ta come unannounced.”

“Sorry, I guess I interrupted ya fuckin.”

“Well, almost,” he said neutrally and sat down on the sofa nearby. “Ya look better Wayne, you over that pneumonia?”

“Still on the antibiotics, nasty shit too,” he said. “Listen Ellery I wanted ta ask ya about somethin about the bar...”

But Ellery was no longer listening to Wayne, and had turned his attention on Ennis, who was now sagging in the recliner, fingers squeezing his temples. “Ennis what’s wrong?”

“Headache...” Ennis said, his entire body tense. “Real... bad headache.”

Wayne looked at Ennis. “You just come real hard?” he asked.

Ennis took his fingers away form his head and gave Wayne his bouncer glare. “Do you have ta keep talkin about it?”

“No I mean... it’s probably sex headache. I’ve gotten it a few times. Sometimes when you come real hard or after three times or somethin. Did ya come three or four times, somethin like that?”

“Wayne,” Ennis growled.

“Ennis he might be right. Lemme get ya a Motrin, those are real strong.” Ellery brought back one of his orange pills and offered it to Ennis, who was rubbing his temples again. “There is such a thing ya know. Can really kill the moment if yer in the middle of it.”

Wayne nodded. “That’s what I think. Either that or maybe it’s a stroke.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 11:17:51 am
And to finish our re-reading today, also from Chapter 40, one of my favorite lines...(I put it in bold).

Wayne hung his head. “Then it’s already a no. I know Ennis don’t like me.”

“Wayne come on ...” Ennis said, “it ain’t like that.”

“Is so. Forget I asked Ellery. An I’m sorry I got in the mix on yer fuckin. But if you want a call ahead don’t turn off yer phone.” He stood up, obviously dejected.

“I said I’d think about it Wayne,” Ellery said. “Don’t go off in a pout. Finish yer beer.”

“Don’t feel so good right now Ellery. We can talk tomorrow maybe, gimme a call...” Wayne said, and turned at the door. “I don’t blame ya fer not likin me Ennis. I just ain’t yer kind a boy.” And with that he left, the door clicking quietly behind him.

“Goddammit Ellery,” Ennis said.

“He was tryin ta manipulate us, Ennis. Try not ta let em get to ya.” But Ellery’s face was pensive, and despite his words, Wayne’s self pity had gotten to him at least somewhat. “How’s yer headache?”

“Painful. Ya know, like a headache,” Ennis said irritably. “I got ta lie down.”

Ellery rose. “Good idea. Let’s both of us lie down. I think we missed out on our kissin an intimate chat after the spankin an sex.”

“Sure enough,” Ennis agreed, and, still rubbing his temples, led the way back to the bedroom, unzipping his denims and dropping them on the floor as he climbed back into bed. Ellery was right behind him.



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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 19, 2007, 02:12:38 pm
Hi kids - wow - you've been busy this morning, Leslie!  Thanks again for the great quotes. 

Couldn't pass up this conversation from Chapter 37:

Ellery followed him out. “Hey Dupree, can you c’mere a sec?” Dupree unfolded himself from his too-small office chair and approached.

“Sure. What’s up Chief?” He collapsed in the more comfortable seat in Ellery’s office. “Wish I had this ta sit in all day.”

“Take it, put the torture chair in here an Amos Marigold can sit in it when he shows up.”

“Thanks.”

“Close the door, Dupree.”

Dupree leaned over and batted at the doorhandle and closed the door, his face growing serious.

“I wanted ta ask ya about Saturday night at the Red Stallion. How bad did that gun dealer antagonize Ennis?”

“He was goin at it hot an heavy in my humble opinion, Chief. A miracle Ennis didn’t realign his septum an thicken his lips a bit, if you get my meanin.”

“Ennis wasn’t lookin for trouble?”

“Nah, he was spoilin, that guy. Made some really rude comments about you too. Not the kind a thing somebody who respects you would ever let stand.”

“Like…?”

“Like first of all he strutted in an made right fer Ennis, an called him Del Monte, you know, like the canned peaches… an said he wanted ta talk to Ellie Mae’s new buck.”

Ellery shook his head. “You know how when somebody wants somethin, they put on their best clothes an their best manner an act like they were momma’s little angel an butter don’t melt in their mouth, an the minute things don’t go their way they are just hell on wheels? That is Gabe Blackwell I swear.”

“Well he was cruisin ta get Ennis into a fistfight for sure, Ellery, no question.”

“Okay. Just checkin.”

“Don’t ya trust Ennis with his temper?”

“He got a temper Dupree, I was just easin my conscience.”

“He holds it well, Ellery, I don’t think ya got ta worry about Ennis haulin off, he endured a good deal a provocation from em. You know one a them femboys there hauled off an slapped em right across the face an he didn’t hardly flinch.”

“I knew it happened but I didn’t know he handled it so well. Those boys ain’t Ennis’s favourite people.”

“Yeah but they respect em mostly. Was that all a what this is about?”

“Well I was thinkin since you an me an Ennis all sort a work together whether you’d like ta socialize a bit, ya know maybe Friday after work before goin in to the bar. I thought I’d ask you first an see how ya felt before talking ta Ennis.”

“Sure, Chief,” he grinned. “If you ain’t afraid a me flirtin with Ennis.”

Ellery laughed softly. “Dupree, you are so straight I can smell it.”

Dupree blinked back at him. “It’s a smell?”

“Yeah. Smells a little like Marlboro cigarettes an a lot like Old Spice.”

“Maybe that’ll keep the femboys away then, they haven’t got such discriminatin taste. I got asked ta dance Saturday.”

“Good for you Dupree, give ya some exercise.”



I always love an Ellery/Dupree discussion - and this was especially interesting - and it leads to socializing between E&E and Jeremy, which is always a good thing!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 19, 2007, 02:15:43 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 19, 2007, 10:44:23 am
Ha ha, a little trip down memory lane...

After chapter 36, the annnouncement of this thread!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/59433.html

The good old days...hey, the days are still good in Ennis and Ellery-land!

L

A big Thank You to you, Leslie.  And those numbers certainly did go up, didn't they!  :)

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 19, 2007, 02:52:17 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 19, 2007, 02:15:43 pm
A big Thank You to you, Leslie.  And those numbers certainly did go up, didn't they!  :)

Marie

I agree Marie. If Leslie hadn't started this thread, chances are i never would have known about Ennis and Ellery  :o  So thank you Leslie!


And great quotes! There can never be enough intimate chat....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 12:36:23 pm
Thanks for the thanks, everyone!

And on to the re-reading. Today, chapters 41-45:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/61012.html

From Chapter 41:

“An you told Ennis Del Mar only a few weeks ago that you had met him and had made a decision about his fate as well, implying that you knew him and had interacted with him. Can you detail that interaction?”

“Maybe,” Worrell tilted his head saucily, “Maybe I just touched him with my pinky,” he said, voice dropping, clenching his hand closed so that only his little finger pointed out at Ellery. “An in one little minute… he got it. That’s what ya want ta know.”

“Something more than speculation would be what we are seeking,” Ellery said tiredly, giving up hope.

“And maybe…” he continued on as though Ellery hadn’t spoken, “maybe I had em bent over the tailgate a his blue Chevy an givin em the fuck of a lifetime with my diseased cock, hosin em down with spunk an makin em lick it off me after.”

Ellery felt more than saw Mel flinch. Score one against the queers, he thought, his mind racing.

Ellery turned to Mel, screening Worrell’s face out of his mind by an effort of will. “Sir, I don’t think we’re getting any useful information from the suspect at this time, I suggest we close the interview.”

Mel regarded Worrell coolly. “It takes a mighty big ego to sit there facing the rest of your natural life waiting for electrocution to make a mockery a the judicial system that might have spared you, Worrell,” he said, voice low and calm. “By week end, we are going to be preparing our indictment and once we are through you’ll be in the hands of the Austin prosecutor’s office on capital murder charges. If you have anything substantive to say, I suggest you say it before close of business Friday.”

Worrell sat back, and when he raised one leg to cross it over the other, the guard flinched and stepped toward him, and he raised a staying hand. “Let’s just say, I ain’t convinced things will all be goin the way you say, Mr. D.A.”

“I imagine not,” Mel said, politely agreeing as he rose. “Chief Deputy, if you have nothing more…” he gestured, and Ellery stood up.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 12:41:03 pm
Chapter 42:

Ellery found it difficult to talk. “Thank you, Wes. No I ain’t got anythin to append ta my reports, I did what it says in em.”

Wes nodded. “I know. One day you might get ta be the first queer Sheriff in Wyomin, Ellery, you got it in ya. When I say I got full confidence in you I mean... full confidence. You hear me boy?”

Ellery nodded, gulping. Wes’s grave manner alarmed him more than his words, and his words were alarming enough.

“Right now this Worrell an Amos thing is an internal affairs issue, but for the moment, do not say word one to anyone about Amos for any reason whatsoever. If someone like this Eagleton asks you somethin about the D.A. tell em it ain’t yer department.”

“Right, Wes.”

“He is persona non grata an no one is gonna be talkin about Worrell, Amos or the D.A.’s office until we finish the joint investigation. An if Amos calls you, hang up on em. Don’t talk to em. He’ll get the picture quick enough, if he has a brain cell left in his head."

“Shit, Wes, this is a fuckin scandal.”

“Well if I trusted everyone in the city council, an all the senior level brass in Internal Affairs in this county then I could rest easy. It comes down to how much power I have, an I am gonna find that out pretty fuckin quick. But Mel is a smart man, an he’s a good man, an he is not gonna let fiction stand in the way a fact, regardless of how he feels about men sodomizin one another in their own private homes.”

“Very delicately put, Wes,” Ellery said, daring a wry smile.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 12:46:26 pm
Chapter 43:

Bruce Senior was looking at him soberly. “I told him to call you, Mr. Cantrell. I knew he probably wouldn’t on his own.”

“I don’t understand.” Ellery’s mind was racing now as he stared at the man across from him.

“I always knew somethin went badly wrong when he came down here to go to college, an he never told me what it was. He dropped his scholarship, came home unannounced, and in September he announced a shotgun engagement. We whipped together a wedding for em because he asked us to, an we were not surprised it didn’t last. I thought it was providence when a friend of his showed up in my hospital room saying he knew him in Laramie. Then the D.A., this Marigold jackass, told me, that you were...was he lying?”

“You can say the word, Eagleton, the technical term is homosexual,” Ellery said, his voice dry, clipped. “No, he wasn’t lying.”

Eagleton nodded, looking as uncomfortable as Ellery felt. “That’s when I knew. It was you, wasn’t it?”

“If you are askin about the nature a my relationship with yer son I think you’d better ask em yerself,” Ellery said, a little too archly.

“I did. An he said it was you.”

Ellery said nothing, working hard to keep his eyes on Eagleton’s face.

“You were the reason he dropped out a school. He was running away from you.”

“He did a damn good job of it too,” Ellery said.

“Well there are things ya can’t run away from. I ain’t like the good old boys. I know the law, I know that while I never woke up in the mornin wishin for my son to grow up gay, I don’t think it’s what they call a mental illness.”

“Mightly liberal of you Counselor,” Ellery said, and it sounded sarcastic.

“I know I am probably makin you real uncomfortable, an I am sorry. But I told Bruce I wanted em to come clean an deal with this thing an if he didn’t I was gonna put some pressure on em.”

Ellery’s heart fell. So, Beagle had not called him on the strength of his own conscience, but on his father’s. He had been right not to expect him to call himself.

“Mr. Cantrell I told em I had spoke ta you, that you’re a good an decent person, an maybe if he got a good look at that he might think a little different about himself. I love my son, an right now he is doin his best to go to hell in a handbasket.”

“I... I think you understand that for professional reasons there isn’t anythin I can say ta corroborate what you are talkin about in my office, here. In addition there are some extenuatin circumstances that make this a really inappropriate topic right now,” Ellery said, his tongue feeling like wool in his mouth.

“I’m sorry. I would have asked you to come out an have a drink an talk it over outside the office but I didn’t want you to get the wrong idea.”

Ellery smiled wryly at that. “I don’t think I would a got the idea you were tryin ta ask me on a date, Counselor, no fear a that.”

Eagleton blushed then. “Anyway, you agreed ta see him?”

Ellery nodded. “He said a couple a weeks or so.”

“He has a business trip ta go on an he... he’s gonna talk to his psychiatrist first. I’ll tell you this much about Bruce... he’s been in the hospital a couple of times. Psychiatric hospital.”

“Oh.” Once again Ellery felt a sense of disorientation, as if he were reevaluating moment by moment his attitudes and feelings about Beagle. “All right.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 12:48:03 pm
Chapter 44:

Ellery opened his door a half an hour later. “Hey Dupree, could you do me a favor?”

Dupree got up and crossed the room. The station was emptying out. Carol’s fishbowl was empty. “Sure Chief.”

“I’m drunk Dupree. Can you drive me home?“

Dupree gulped visibly. “Everything okay Chief?”

“No, but I ain’t at liberty to talk about it. Very important, very bad, an nothin ta do with you.”

“This is about Amos Marigold,” he said bluntly.

Ellery pressed his lips together and nodded slowly.

“I’m real sorry, Ellery. Are you in trouble?”

“No. I mean, yeah, there’s trouble, but no it ain’t me that’s in trouble. That really don’t much matter because when there’s trouble it’s ... it’s trouble. I said too much Dupree.”

He nodded. “Sorry ta press ya.”

“When I can talk about it I’ll talk about it, okay?”

“Sure.”

“Wes has got everythin in hand an I trust em. So don’t worry there, I ain’t goin anywhere, if that is what yer worried about.”

“Well yeah, an ... Ellery I never seen you drink alcohol at the office.”

“It’s my emergency scotch. For days like this when the shit hits the fan. I want ta go home, Dupree.”

“Sure, Chief.”

“An if you don’t mind, please don’t come in. I got ta talk ta Ennis.”

“No problem, I’ll just drop ya off, you want me ta pick ya up tomorrow?”

“Please, if you would.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 12:50:52 pm
More from Chapter 44:

“You look nice. An clean.”

“A coyote does his best,” Ennis said, combing his hair back smoothly, smiling.

“Speakin a which, the other night you was whalin so hard on my ass you fergot ta give me my love bite.”

Ennis blinked, staring down at him. “So I did.”

“I feel kinda neglected,” Ellery said, voice coy.

“We’ll have ta remedy that then.”

Ellery held a hand up to him, and Ennis took it, wondering at the unusual gesture. “Sweetheart... all kiddin aside, I think I need a lot a kissin an huggin. Not that we can’t do all the rest but... I guess I just need some makin love, ya know?”

Ennis gave him a tender look. “Kissin an huggin, sure. You want it slow?”

“Well, after we get goin...” Ellery said, doubtfully... “maybe not.”

Ennis put his hand on the top of Ellery’s fly, unzipping him. “First we get ya naked, okay?”

He lay back as Ennis pulled his cutoffs down his thighs, his right hand wandering up and cupping his balls gently as he tugged up the tank top and nuzzled his chest, and Ellery’s arms went around him, untucking the towel at his waist and letting it unravel as his fingers move down over Ennis’s warm ass, still damp from the shower.

Ennis laid him down, pushing the hair away from his forehead and kissing it, his right hand still idly manipulating his balls and stiffening cock, pushing his thighs open and moving one leg over between them, bringing his cock up against the outside of his thigh, hot and firm, moaning softly as he closed his mouth over Ellery’s, sliding his tongue in and muffling the rising moan from the slow, gentle manipulation of his cock and scrotum.

Ennis broke the kiss gradually, looking down at Ellery’s face, now suffused with lust. “You been drinkin, Officer.”

“I had Dupree drop me off home. I wasn’t drivin..” he said softly.

“Good. Um... if you want ta... if you want ta fuck me... you could.”

Ellery smiled, his eyes widening. “Wow, hey. But maybe not this time... I’m not sure I could do that right now."

Ennis nodded. “Thought maybe... if you was feelin low...”

“I need my man inside me, Ennis...”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 12:52:52 pm
And the end of Chapter 44:

Ennis pulled out and rolled Ellery’s body gently back and against him, straightening his spine from the sustained strain, and bent once more, lapping the salt beneath his ear and along his collar bone. “Okay?”

“Yeah... need more huggin...” Ellery gasped, shivering, vulnerable, everything about him today, seemed vulnerable, and when Ennis looked down into his steely eyes they were clouded and anxious. He drew him against his chest from behind, fingers stroking the smooth flesh of his long torso, lips brushing his neck and shoulder, lapping the place where he nipped him.

“As much huggin as ya want darlin,” he murmured.

“Some bad things happened at work today Ennis. Real bad things. An I’m in em up to my neck.”

“It’s gonna be okay darlin,” Ennis responded, not asking questions. “No matter what it is, cause we’re in it together.”

Ellery sighed. “I got ta talk about it, okay?”

“Okay.”

Ellery closed his eyes, two tears forming beneath his burning lids. “Well thank god for that at least,” he sighed.



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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 12:56:31 pm
And our last quote of the day, from Chapter 45:

He walked back out toward Dupree’s desk, and he was eating a bran muffin with Joe. “Ya see, Joe, it ain’t so cut an dried as savin money for the taxpayers. When ya got a death penalty case ya got appeals, ya got reviews, ya got Supreme Courts sittin on the warrant for the execution, maintenance a facilities…”

“How can that compare with a lifelong support in custody, Dupree?” Joe was saying, sipping on a cup of black coffee.

“Besides that is all aside a the point which is… if new exculpatory evidence comes ta light, yer falsely-convicted suspect is dead an can’t be freed. I don’t know if that is something I would want ta live with. Which is why I’m in police work instead a lawyerin. Besides all the bullshit involved in lawyerin a course. Hey Chief,” Dupree looked up. “Joe got a muffin with yer name on it.”

“What the hell happened ta my standin order fer biscuits, Joe?” Ellery frowned, setting down the Steele file.

“Uh… you should get inta eatin bran, keeps yer bowels regular,” Joe said.

“I don’t need my bowels regularized, they’re regular enough as it is,” Ellery said, smiling sunnily.

Dupree raised his hand. “Joe don’t say a fuckin word, I can already hear ya thinking it.”

“Get me a biscuit next time,” Ellery said, nibbling on the muffin.

Wes opened his door. “Ellery, Mel’s gonna be by at two ta go down an see Worrell one final time before his window a cooperation gets closed fer the purposes a Wyomin vs. Worrell, you got that?”

“Shit. Yeah. Better eat while I can, I won’t be able ta digest after seein him again,” Ellery mused, biting into the muffin.


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 20, 2007, 01:09:47 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 12:41:03 pm
Chapter 42:

Ellery found it difficult to talk. “Thank you, Wes. No I ain’t got anythin to append ta my reports, I did what it says in em.”

Wes nodded. “I know. One day you might get ta be the first queer Sheriff in Wyomin, Ellery, you got it in ya. When I say I got full confidence in you I mean... full confidence. You hear me boy?”
......

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This was a very disturbing, scary part of the story - but, to lighten the mood a little . ..

I also have full confidence that Ellery could be Wes's successor as Sheriff of Albany County - after all, he's already the "Mayor of Queerville," right, Leslie?   ;D

Thanks!  Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 20, 2007, 01:19:47 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 12:56:31 pm
And our last quote of the day, from Chapter 45:


“What the hell happened ta my standin order fer biscuits, Joe?” Ellery frowned, setting down the Steele file.

“Uh… you should get inta eatin bran, keeps yer bowels regular,” Joe said.

“I don’t need my bowels regularized, they’re regular enough as it is,” Ellery said, smiling sunnily.

Dupree raised his hand. “Joe don’t say a fuckin word, I can already hear ya thinking it.”

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I remember laughing out loud when I first read this - and it's just as funny on the re-read.  Another character that I really like and would love to get to know better - Joe.  As we've seen in "Dupree's Choice" and at other times in the Saga - there's a really sharp mind in that round body.

Thanks for all the quotes, Leslie!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 07:36:52 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 20, 2007, 01:09:47 pm
This was a very disturbing, scary part of the story - but, to lighten the mood a little . ..

I also have full confidence that Ellery could be Wes's successor as Sheriff of Albany County - after all, he's already the "Mayor of Queerville," right, Leslie?   ;D

Thanks!  Marie

Ha ha ha ha ha...yes!

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 20, 2007, 07:37:34 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 20, 2007, 01:19:47 pm

Thanks for all the quotes, Leslie!

Marie

My pleasure, always. And there will be more tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 12:56:45 pm
Hello re-readers...today, Chapters 46-50

http://louisev.livejournal.com/62433.html

“I don’t need powder, Mr. Worrell,” Mel said, voice dropping to an intimate, deadly softness. “I have eyewitnesses of unimpeachable character. You have until four to inform your defense counsel of your desire to enter a plea agreement in exchange for detailed knowledge of the homicides we spoke about.”

Worrell’s glance shot daggers at Ellery. “You got to em, eh? Your kind always does. Just a little too smart, an a little too pretty. You think yer protected, an you ain’t. Cause what I know... what I know is gonna wipe that pretty smile off yer faggot face, Ellery Cantrell.”

Ellery swallowed, his eyes unwavering as he looked into the hate-filled eyes of Justin Worrell. “You’re wasting time,” he said, voice soft, sandpaper-dry.

“I got all the time in the world,” Worrell snapped back. “But you don’t, boy.”


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 01:04:43 pm
Chapter 47, I love this exchange:

“He was gonna try. That may be why he tried ta kill himself, because he found out that wasn’t gonna happen. Mel Ruskin told em so. Listen Ennis I know I never mentioned this but I was thinking a havin Dupree over an maybe we could grill somethin out on the patio an visit. You up for that at all?”

“Sure. I like Dupree.”

Ellery lowered his voice. “Well I didn’t want ta interrupt any early evenin plans Mr. Coyote might a had, that’s all.”

Ennis smiled, reddening slightly, aware that Edna was hovering in the kitchen doorway. “Always time later darlin.”

“Okay, well I’ll call again if we’re gonna be runnin late after this Worrell thing, who knows, maybe Mel will want ta come talk ta us again.”

“Okay.”

“I love ya Ennis.”

“Yeah, I never get sick a hearin that. I love ya too, darlin. See ya soon.”

He set the phone down, head bowed, and Edna bustled into the room. She obviously had been listening to at least the end of the discussion. She came right at Ennis and threw her arms around him. He hugged her, blinking and confused. “Hey,” he said, patting her quivering shoulder.

“Oh Ennis, you don’t know how relieved an happy I am that Ellery finally found a good, decent man ta love em,” she said, her voice cracking with emotion. She pulled back, a tear in her eyes, and she gazed up at him, face tight with emotion. “We care so much about em an he has been so lonely, I can’t tell ya.”

“Jesus Edna…” Ennis said, running out of things to say before he had completed a sentence.

“You don’t have ta say nothin, Ennis. He is like our only boy, an havin you has put a smile on his face at last, an that warms our hearts, me an Wes both. God bless ya, Ennis.” She pulled him close once more, betraying a strength Ennis didn’t know she had in her, and his own eyes began to sting.

“Th-thank you,” he managed finally. “I do love em.”

“I know you do sweetie,” she said, and gave Ennis a paper-dry kiss on the cheek, causing him to blush deeply.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 01:13:37 pm
Chapter 48, more interesting Dupree conversations...

"He can't pull his own dick, not in this state," Ellery said, appearing in a snug tank top and his cutoff jeans, leaning over to smell the steak. "Geesh Ennis that smells wonderful, what'd you put on em?"

"A little a this, a little a that, I went an got some barbecue spices an sauce at the Safeway since you said you might be late comin home, made a fruit salad an a vegetable salad too an these vegetable skewers." Ennis smiled modestly.

"Yer spoilin me boy," Ellery said, bending over slightly and kissing the nape of his neck.

"Ellery, yer makin Dupree uncomfortable." Ennis gulped, looked shyly at the Army vet sitting comfortably at the table, cigarette in his lips.

"Me? Hell no, you ferget I see that four hours a night four nights a week at the Stallion, Ennis. An a whole lot more I could do without seein. Nothin worse than watchin that little asshole Leon grindin his ass inta Lang's crotch to the tune a 'Stand by Yer Man.' Every time I hear Loretta Lynne come on that juke box I pull my hat over my eyes."

Ellery laughed. "See?"

"Besides, you two are ... well yer cute. Like a real couple."

Ennis stared at him as though he had pulled a gun. "Cute?"

"Yeah, kissin in the park cute. It looks... well, normal if ya want my view."

Ellery gave Ennis his distance and sat down. "Right nice a you ta say that Dupree. I hope ya ain't sayin it ta get raise in pay cause I don't control the paychecks, Wes does."

It was Dupree's turn to laugh. "Hadn't thought a that. Ya do control the pay at the Stallion though. What a ya say I take a nice picture a you two arm in arm an whenever someone comes up ta me an says 'hey can ya get me a date with yer cowboy friend?' I can show em the picture an say 'no dice, friend.'

"No," Ennis said flatly. "Don't be takin no pictures a me an Ellery."

"I wouldn't mind, Ennis..." Ellery said, plucking his lip.

"I mind," he said, back stiff.

"Didn't mean nothin by it," Dupree said softly.

"It's okay Dupree."

"Sorry," Ennis mumbled. "Ain't ready fer... for that kinda ... thing yet."

"Do a lot a guys ask ya that, Dupree?"

He nodded. "Matter a fact. Ennis is the nicest piece a eye candy there, except for that skinny blond who goes there an dances up a storm an makes their eyes roll in their head. Blond men are the popular ones, just like with women."

"Well shit," Ennis said. "Time ta dye my hair grey or summat."

"Don't you fuckin dare," Ellery said. "You got beautiful hair an you better not be hidin it. Ain't a hat enough cover for ya?"

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 21, 2007, 01:47:16 pm
Good afternoon - I've been happily anticipating this section of "A Second Chance" - Chapters 48 and 49 are two favorites!  We get E&E and Jeremy! 

At the start of Chapter 48:

Jeremy Dupree and Ellery arrived home a little after six, a telltale smoke rising from the patio, and he parked the El Camino in the carport. Dinner was well underway. Dupree led the way up the walkway and onto the patio, and Ennis looked up from hovering over three large steaks sizzling alongside some vegetable skewers.

"Hey, Dupree, good ta see ya."

"Ennis that all smells great. Thank you so much fer invitin me over. I had no idea you trained horses AND were a grill chef." Ellery followed behind, fanning himself with his hat.

"Ennis Del Mar is a lot a things, Dupree, and as Ennis straightened up, setting down his spatula, Ellery came over and slipped an arm around him, brushing his lips against Ennis's cheek. "Aint ya?"

Ennis stiffened slightly, did not pull away. "Nice ta see ya darlin," he murmured, the red blotches on his cheeks might have been a reaction to the heat. Dupree was busy looking at the water feeder and a collection of small variously-colored birds, and Ennis glanced up. "You wouldn't believe it, earlier, there was a parakeet peckin at the suet."

Ellery opened the patio door and stepped in, loosening his tie. "I'm gonna change if ya don't mind, Dupree." Dupree had changed into his usual olive drab pants, a camouflage tank top, and wore his soft hat in matching cammo

Love the description of Dupree's outfit (another bit of minutia!), especially because I've got hats on my mind now because of J&N - and, of course, I love picturing Jeremy in a camouflage tank top!   :)

Some random thoughts on little things that caught my interest -  the mention of Dupree with the cigarette made me remember that Jeremy decided to quit smoking when Ellery did!  And now that I think about it - we haven't seen Nick with a cigarette lately - I think Jeremy is influencing him in lots of good ways!

Would love to see E&E entertain some more when they get the chance - Ennis really seemed to enjoy it! -

Also, the discussion about the picture has me wondering if E&E will ever take a picture together (purposely) - we know the photographer at Joe's son's wedding took one.   

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 02:10:30 pm
Hey Marie, thanks for that quote. Chapter 48 is full of good stuff. Here's another little tidbit:

"No shit. Well as men go, he is the only rival ta Ennis, lookswise. The rest of em ... well..." he chuckled. "Gene said ta me most a these guys he wouldn't be able to do it with em unless they had a bag over their heads."

Ennis let out an uncomfortable laugh. "That's fer sure."

Ellery raised both eyebrows. "Ennis! You been lookin at guys down at the Stallion when you should be ... lookin at what their hands are doin?"

"Well?" Ennis shrugged. "They're right there, can't help but notice some of em are butt ugly."

"That's fer sure, an I ain't even queer," Dupree chimed in.

"Okay steaks are ready an we can talk about somethin interestin for a change." Ennis lifted one chunk of meat at a time onto a platter and brought it to the table, juice oozing from them. "They's all medium so if you want yers more cooked I'll put it back on."

Dupree shook his head. "Don't take my steak away now, Ennis, or I'll bite yer hand." Ennis went back for the skewers, loading them onto another platter, and Ellery opened the beers that were setting out on the table.

Ennis took a seat between the two men. "Eat up, boys. Oh, forgot the salads." He leapt back up again and disappeared in the kitchen.

Dupree leaned over slightly, reaching for a steak knife. "Hope I didn't make em feel uncomfortable, Chief."

"He's got ta deal with it sooner or later," Ellery said, shrugging.

"What a I got ta deal with?" Ennis said, frowning slightly as he came out of the kitchen, holding a large bowl, one containing fruit salad, the other, a green salad with tomatoes and bright chunks of pepper. He had gone all out, serving a full course meal with fruits, vegetables and meat, sitting down again and reaching for the salad bowl.

"Bein queer, Ennis, an people knowin about it."

"Well I'm comin along. All well an good fer you city boys ta go marchin in parades, but back where I come from a boy ends up dead for bein one a those kind."

"Yeah," Dupree said. In school they teach us about hate crimes. But a lot a people don't think assaultin queers is really a hate crime, an that has got ta change."

"Damn right it's got ta change."


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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 21, 2007, 02:20:01 pm
Hey, Leslie - yep, this whole section is full of good stuff:

The beginning of Chapter 49 is interesting in so many ways:

"I ain't happy with you," Ennis said, rattling the dishes unnecessarily as he stacked them in the sink for rinsing. Ellery was wiping down the patio table with a wet cloth, and looked up.

"Okay what'd I do, snuggle ya too much in front a Dupree?"

"Among other things. Ya treat me like I'm a cripple learnin ta walk. An that just ain't so. I'm just gettin used ta things in my own way an you seem determined ta make it some kind a trial by fire."

"It's make me feel a whole lot better if ya didn't freeze like a statue when I gave ya a welcome kiss on the cheek in front of a trusted colleague in my own home, Ennis."

"I'm sorry but that is the way I am... ya knew that when I met ya an I ain't changed a whole lot. If ya don't like it then ya shoulda hooked up with one a the boys who swishes his hips an writes his number on the bathroom wall down at yer bar, there's enough of em."

Ellery came and loomed in the patio doorway, staring at him. "You can't be serious, Ennis."

"I just wish you'd leave me be about it is all!"

"Hard ta do, Ennis. I only have one way a doin things. I try not ta rub it in ta people that I'm queer but if it ain't at my office an it ain't gonna get me a bullet in the head then I ain't gonna avoid it or lie with people. But you... yer a touchy feely guy an a demon in the sack, but the minute somebody else walks in the room it's like, the three faces a Eve. So ya got ta cut me a little slack that I ain't used ta adjustin all the time to the two sides a you. Let those be, you did all the cookin, I do the dishes, remember?"




SPOILER FOR "A SMALL CIRCLE OF FRIENDS



Interesting parallel with what is going on in the latest chapter of  "A Small Circle of Friends" with Jeremy frowning upon a kiss on the cheek from Nick in front of Lauren.  That Louise is a clever one!  :)

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 02:30:16 pm
Ah, Marie...

more from 49:

"An you ain't dressed decent for company, Ellery."

"You afraid Dupree was gonna get all hard for me?"

"I think he likes ta watch queer boys, if ya want the whole truth."

Ellery grinned. "Ya know I was thinkin the same thing. He's curious. That's why he was watchin when I gave ya a kiss. It don't disgust him like it does the queer bashin types."

"Yeah well he might not want ta... you know, get it on with a guy but he sure likes watchin an thinkin about it."

"I'll have ta ask em. You suppose he got his eye on somebody special?"

Ennis nodded. "But I ain't gonna say... cause you'll say somethin at work."

"Come on Ennis, I won't say a word."

"Jim, the new bouncer who don't bounce worth a damn. He's always hangin around an Dupree just lets em talk em up while he's doin his oh look at me ain't I just the cock a the walk. Notice he didn't say nothin about how good lookin Jim is... just me an Gene."

"Interesting psychological view, my dear," Ellery said, plucking at his lip. "You may have a point. Now get away from that sink before I push ya away from it. An if I do that you might get all fancy an we could have another one a them arguments that ends in sex."
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 02:33:08 pm
And more! Still 49...

"Ya know, I really do love ya a lot Ennis, that's why I can't take my hands off a ya when I see ya."

"I know, Ellery. Ya know why Edna came up an gave me a hug?"

"Nope."

"Cause she heard me call ya darlin on the phone."

"Yep, an holdin hands lookin out in the sunset. She just thinks it is so sweet someone besides her calls me darlin."

"She didn't hear me say it was the Marlboro man callin an I'd just as soon she didn't learn all those special names."

"Ya mean like Mr. Coyote? An Mr. Please an Thank you?"

"Yeah, them."

"Let me see, I need a new name fer when you freeze up when I come up behind ya an kiss ya in public. Maybe Mr. Freeze."

"Ain't he some kind a Superman villain or somethin?" Ennis frowned, setting down the cigar.

"Dunno, never followed comics."

"I think he is. Now ya gonna call me Mr. Freeze, huh?"

"Only when yer Mr. Freeze."

"I like Mr. Coyote better," Ennis said, standing up. "Or some a them other bedroom names..." he dropped his voice, moving closer.

"I ain't done with the dishes..." Ellery said, holding up a hand.

"Well I am." And Ennis grabbed him around the waist, pulling him roughly away from the sink, heedless of his soapy, wet hands. "C'mere."


and after this, we get into some seriously hawt stuff...LOL...go re-read, friends, see what you are missing.



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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 02:38:00 pm
Ha, ha, from chapter 50, the anticipation of Alma, Jr.'s visit is more than Ennis can cope with!

“It’s all right Ennis,all right…” Ellery whispered softly,sinking to the bed in stages under his weight, twisting slightly as he looked up into his eyes, but they were half-mast, the whites showing, and Ellery struggled against dead weight.

“Ennis?” He grabbed the side of the mattress and got out from under him, turning Ennis gently onto his back. He was out cold. Ellery patted his face, listened to his breathing, kissed his cheek, and gradually he came back and stirred.

“Huh…” his lashes fluttered open.

“I thought I was the one who was supposed ta pass out,” Ellery smirked.

“Yeah,” Ennis sat up. “I think I got carried away. Yer shoulder okay?”

“Aside from the usual coyote bite, sure.”

“I think I came.”

“I think we both did.”

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 21, 2007, 02:46:18 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 02:38:00 pm
Ha, ha, from chapter 50, the anticipation of Alma, Jr.'s visit is more than Ennis can cope with!



“I thought I was the one who was supposed ta pass out,” Ellery smirked.




More than Ennis can cope with is right!  One of my very favorite lines - no wonder I loved this chapter so much - aside from "seriously hawt stuff!"  LOL!! 

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 09:59:57 pm
I am a little ahead for the re-readers, but tomorrow is going to be busy so...

chapters 51-55

http://louisev.livejournal.com/63820.html

Chapter 51 is great. Ellery and Junior meet for the first time. We get exchanges like this:

"Do ya think I look okay?"

"You don't want ta know what I think a how you look or you'll get all feisty."

"Heh, ain't that the truth, now let me look at you."

"What a ya got ta look at me fer, I'm not gonna have my balls hangin out a my shorts when she shows up. I'm gonna shower first."

"I mean, did I leave any marks on ya we got ta cover up now?"

"I don't expect ta be takin my shirt off ta show er my coyote bite Ennis."

He blushed hotly. "You had better not."

"Ya know that is what is so cute an so scary about you Ennis. Yer a bundle a contradictions."

"If you had a daughter you would not want her lookin at where you been nibblin on yer loved one durin intimate moments."

"Yep, well aside from it might imply I had ta stick my cock in a woman an that thought had not occurred ta me for a good twenty years or more."

and this:

"That too, don't be such a fuckin psychologist okay Ellery?"

Ellery grinned. "You could use a drink."

"I don't want er ta smell it on me."

"C'mon yer a grown man."

"Alma used ta complain about how much I hung out in bars an drank, I don't want er ta think that is what I do now, or carry tales back."

"Okay, whatever you say. But if you do much more a this second-guessin I am gonna need a drink so be forewarned."

and then they meet...

“Hey Daddy,” came the uncertain voice, that same faint smile reflected in Alma Junior’s eyes, and the breath went out of her as Ennis’s arms came around her and lifted her onto tiptoe as he hugged her.

“Oh darlin!” he said softly, kissing her hair and twirling her half around, pulling her through the doorway and then setting her down. She was blushing, her color high... and Ellery, standing in the kitchen doorway now, to give them room, smiled widely. To him, the resemblance, both appearance and behaviorwise, was unmistakable. A young, female form of Ennis, blushing in his living room.

“Hey Daddy I guess yer glad ta see me!” she said, voice hushed and embarrassed.

“You bet. Uh, Alma Junior, this here is... Ellery Cantrell.”

Junior’s eyes came up as she regarded the man in black denim lounging in the doorway, hair pulled back from his lean face, wearing a proud smile, and her blush deepened. “Oh my,” she said, putting a hand over her mouth and closing her eyes, then glanced nervously back up at Ennis.

“Nice ta meet ya, Junior, I am real pleased ya decided ta come down, you are a course always welcome,” Ellery said, stepping cautiously closer and holding out a hand.

Ennis nudged her. “Be polite darlin,” he murmured, and she took Ellery’s hand, shaking it delicately.

“Thank you kindly,” she said, but that blush did not abate, and she looked up at Ellery once more before lowering her eyes.

Ellery let her hand go, concerned. “Uh... everythin okay? I got a pimple or somethin?”

“I’m sorry,” she said breathlessly. “I’m ... it’s jest... “ she glanced at Ennis once more. “Yer real handsome is all.”



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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 10:15:22 pm
Getting to know you.....LOL

“Well that’s cause yer Daddy does all the housework an I can’t stop em,” Ellery said, and Ennis peered out of the kitchen.

“I do not, that’s a damn lie,” he said, bringing out the pitcher of lemonade and a stack of glasses. “We’re gonna have tacos tonight darlin I hope that’s okay,”

“Sure,” Ellery replied, a wide grin on his face, and Junior blinked rapidly.

“I was talkin ta my little darlin, an I only got two a those,” Ennis said, leaning over and kissing Junior on the top of the head, then sat down on the sofa next to her.

“Silly me,” Ellery said, unrepentant. Ennis gave him a quick warning look.

“Here, drink some, you were in that hot car all this time, ya want ta change? Ya bring any change a clothes?” He poured a glass of lemonade for her and pushed it into her hand.

“Yes Daddy, don’t make a fuss now I’m fine. I stopped every hour at the rest area an had an ice coffee, you do fuss!” she said, blushing once more. Just like her Daddy, Ellery marveled, how could two people turn out so much alike?

“Don’t want my little girl ta get dehydrated.”

“Daddy I’m twenty in September!”

“September?” Ellery said. “What day?”

“Nineteeth.”

“Well ain’t that a coincidence,” Ellery said. “We were born the same day. Well, not the same year, I wish I was that age again.”

Junior set her glass down. “Really? You ain’t jest sayin that.”

Ennis blinked. “I didn’t know ya had a birthday comin up.”

Ellery nodded. “Yeah well, didn’t seem important ta bring up if it wasn’t a week from now ya know?”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 10:27:34 pm
Chapter 52:


Junior raised her eyes then, her reticence slowly wearing off as she glanced shyly over at the man lounging in the recliner, watching her quietly, and that smile flickered once more. Ennis was struck by the look on her face, remembering how much it had irked him how women responded to Ellery wherever he went... it was no less true with Junior now.

“So... is it true... that yer in ... love with my Daddy?” she said, voice not challenging, but cautiously curious, as if not quite believing in the man sitting in the chair.

“Yep, it sure is. I care about him a whole lot, Alma, more than anythin else in the world.”

Ennis looked quietly stunned, and froze, his own hand sweating on his glass.

“Well. Then... I guess that is what’s important,” she announced quietly. “I am glad he got someone ta love em so much... like that.”

“I am glad ta have em with me, Alma an I appreciate yer sharin em,” Ellery said with a mischievious twinkle in his eye.

“Well... I guess...” her voice dropped, “it ain’t fair keepin em to myself.”

Ennis set his glass down, gulping hard, his eyes shiny with unshed tears. “Darlin, I know this ain’t easy fer you...”

She shook her head, long hair shivering around her shoulders, “it sure ain’t Daddy... I can’t say Francine is all that wild about it, neither but it ain’t like yer tryin ta make anyone unhappy... just tryin ta make yerself happy... an god knows ya been plenty unhappy.”

“Aw, Junior, those times are over, I got a good job an a real good boss, an... well... ya know the rest I guess. Hey, I put up a water feeder for the humminbirds out back, want ta see ?”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 10:33:03 pm
More from 52:

Alma glanced back toward the house. “Er... Daddy.... how old is he?”

“Uh, he’s, I think he’s gonna be 39 if his birthday is comin up, a little youngern me.”

“Daddy that can’t be, he looks... well he looks way too young for you ta be hangin around with!” she said in a hushed voice.

Ennis stared at her. “No, he ain’t. He just ain’t... he don’t show it.”

She gave him a skeptical look. “He looks real young, are you sure you ain’t robbin the cradle Daddy?”

Ennis put a hand over his eyes. “Alma in all my born days I never thought I would hear you say that ta me.”

She put her hands on her hips. “You tellin me the truth?”

“I am tellin ya the truth, when ya get em alone you can have em show you his license.” He started laughing.

“What are you laughin at Daddy?”

“Robbin the cradle. He just got a promotion, he’s the chief deputy a Laramie ya know, he ain’t no spring chicken.”

“Well all right then,” she said, frowning slightly. “He just seems way too ... handsome... ta be nearly forty.”

“Huh, are you sayin I ain’t handsome no more?”

“No Daddy, it’s just.. .well, yer my Daddy. I don’t think a you that way.”

“Well ya better not think a him that way either darlin cause ... cause that’s my man. Ya wouldn’t want me giving Curt the up an down would ya?”

“Hell no!” she blushed hotly.

“All right then.”

“Oh Daddy yer just teasin me.”

“Yeah. Curt ain’t my type by a long ways.”


L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 21, 2007, 10:40:10 pm
Chapter 53:

“You got another business too besides in the sheriff’s office huh?” she said at last.

“Yep. I run a men’s bar.”

“Men’s …?”

“Yeah, it’s just for… homosexuals.”

Junior blushed red once more. “That’s what my daddy is helping ya with, a … queer bar? Yer a bartender at nights Daddy?” she looked both shocked and disgusted.

“Bouncer actually, darlin. Don’t make it sound so bad. It’s good ta have a place for queer boys ta go ta meet up,” Ennis said, poking his head out of the kitchen and wiping his hands.

“Daddy I never dreamed…” she said, looking down into her clasped hands.

“Well neither did I darlin, but it’s kind a good for me, get used ta bein around queers an all.”

“But you ain’t like… you ain’t like those… “ she glanced quickly at Ellery… “Well you ain’t either… you both seem, well, you know, normal an all. Beggin yer pardon.”

“Bein queer is normal, Alma. Fer queers,” Ellery said matter of factly. “Now most a the world, maybe you too, disagree with that statement, but you ask a man when he knew he was queer an most of em will tell ya they felt different from the get-go, some of em in real early childhood, when they found they liked ta play only with boys, some of em liked ta play dress up if they’re a more feminine type… there ain’t one kind a queer, ya know.”

“Sure enough,” she said, keeping her eyes averted.

“Yer entitled to yer opinion, here Alma, I ain’t gonna bite yer head off or nothin. An believe me I have had this discussion enough times with enough people I got it pretty much in memory. As long as yer civil ta me an yer daddy here it won’t offend me if ya think we’re all twisted perverts, as long as ya don’t make it a big issue.”

“Well… not quite that way… but… I do find it kind a disgustin.”

“That makes us even then… cause I find a man an a woman bein together ta be mildly disgustin too…” he grinned.

“Then I guess… we are even then…” she said, looking up at Ennis, who was standing next to the chair where Ellery lounged, looking completely relaxed and not at all threatened by her attitude.

“I’m sure… we can still all get along… ain’t that so?” Ennis said, his voice suddenly raspin. “Cause dinner’s ready an I wouldn’t want anyone stalkin off right now.”

Junior nodded, keeping her eyes on Ennis’s face. “A course Daddy. An I brought some nice brownies fer dessert too.”


L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 22, 2007, 08:46:58 am
Happy Monday, all - Thanks for the quotes, Leslie! 

"Getting to know you," indeed!  LOL!!!  This is another favorite section - I always think of it as "When Worlds Collide!"  LOL!

I'll pick up with Chapter 54 - I had completely forgotten that Wayne shows up!

“If this is Wes I am gonna pitch a fit I am warnin ya right now.” Ellery said, rising, licking his fingers. “I ain’t in the mood for round three a Judge Worrell this week.”

He went to the door, while Ennis poured himself and Junior more lemonade. Peeking through the peephole, he let out an aggravated sigh, and opened it.

“Hello Wayne,” he said. “It’s dinnertime yer interruptin now. An company.”

Ennis got up immediately, his face turning stormy. “Not him, not now.”

Junior dropped her voice. “Who is it Daddy?”

Ennis loomed in the doorway as Ellery blocked the front door.

“Well you ain’t returned my calls an I figured you’d hit the roof if I called ya at work, so I had no choice but ta stop by about you know, what we talked about before.” He smiled sunnily. “Oh hey Ennis.”

“What’re you doin here Wayne?” he said, his tone frosty.

“I’m sorry I didn’t call ya back but I got this little thing called a job an then this other little thing called a bar, an then just on the side I happen ta have a man an a relationship an a life,” Ellery snapped.

“Well did ya even think about it a little minute?” Wayne said, whining.

“Yeah I did.”

“Can I come in out a the sun ? Ya know these antibiotics make my skin real sensitive.”

“Oh for Chrissake Wayne,” and Ellery moved aside as he slipped by him into the living room, sitting down without invitation.

“Awww, Ellery…” Ennis said, shoulders sagging. Junior got up and peeked from behind her father.

“Who is it?” she asked in a small voice.

“Company, huh? You gonna introduce me?”

“Wayne, “ Ellery sighed… “This is Ennis’s daughter, Alma.”

Junior smiled uncertaintly at the stranger in his tight red tank top and snug short-shorts, showing a considerable length of slender leg in the seated position.

“Daughter? Holy shit Ennis, you got married an had kids? You married a woman?”

“No I picked one out of a cabbage patch, Wayne,” Ennis hissed.

Wayne shivered. “Hard ta believe. I mean I always suspected ya of bein bi or something but never thought ya had a wife an family in the background.”

“Shut the fuck up, Wayne,” Ennis growled.



We can always count on Wayne to liven things up!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 22, 2007, 08:56:07 am
A big moment for Ennis in Chapter 55:


Ellery fell silent, and Junior grinned. Shortly after the film ended, Ennis got up to change to go to the Stallion, putting on one of his older, less flashy shirts, and his black hat. He leaned over the sofa to give Junior a peck on the cheek and a one-armed hug, then straightened up, meeting Ellery’s level gaze, took a deep breath and put his arm around him, pressing his lips against his mouth, exhaling a hard breath as he did, then pulled back, not lingering. His face was bright red. “Be home about one,” he said, his voice rasping.

Ellery smiled. “Don’t get punched, boy.”

Junior clenched her fingers together, looking away from the brief embrace, and then Ennis was out the door, almost tripping on his way out.

Ellery looked over at Junior. “You going to start breathin again soon?”

“Hm? Whut?” she said, her voice soft.

“Gee you do that just like yer daddy.”

“Excuse me?” She gulped, blushing.

“Get embarrassed. I mean after he kissed me. I think you stopped breathin about then. You can start breathin now.”

“Took me by surprise is all, no offense.”

“None taken.”

“I can’t believe Daddy would do that... in front a me, is all...” she said, her voice hushed.

“He is changin, Alma. Learnin how to accept bein what he is.”

She narrowed her eyes. “He’s changed a lot, Mr. ... Ellery,” and there was a tone of resentment in her. “He moved down here ta be with you... it had a whole lot ta do with you, if you don’t mind my sayin so.”

He nodded. “But he didn’t decide ta move down here an accept my offer ta stay until he got a job. Otherwise I think we would just be seein each other on weekends an such an he would still be in Riverton.”

“I don’t know, I don’t think so,” she said, that edge still in her voice.

“Are you still unhappy that he moved to Laramie to be with me?”

“Well yes to be quite honest.” She kept looking down at her hands, and Ellery let the silence stretch while she struggled with her words. “I don’t think my Daddy was all that happy stayin with me an he sure did need ta find some work. An if he hadn’t a done we would all be in a terrible pickle right now so I am glad for that. An... he looks a whole lot healthier an even happy. But ... he ain’t the Daddy I know is all. He’s different.”

“Maybe he just needs some gettin used to. It would be real nice if you an he can get used ta each other a bit more now that he ain’t hidin him bein queer, or that he is in love with another man.”

She looked up and fixed him with a very familiar gaze, unblinking. “So you think this is gonna go on for a while.”

He nodded. “That I do, Alma. He was in love for a very long time with a rodeo boy who got killed, an it wasn’t too long ago he got ta spread his ashes. Ennis don’t fall in love easy, an he ain’t one a them men who just goes out lookin fer fun.”

“Ain’t that the truth,” she murmured softly.

“He didn’t come down here lookin for a man either, an I sure wasn’t lookin for em. But we found somethin in each other that we both were missin for a real long time. So yeah. It ain’t no casual date.”

“Well I wasn’t suggestin...”

“You were hopin he was gonna get over it an find a nice woman ta settle down with an marry maybe?” he smiled sadly.

“Well, that would be what I would prefer, but I can see he got other ideas in mind. I guess that is why he gave you that kiss.”

Ellery shook his head, laughing softly. “He gave me that kiss because he always kisses me when he leaves the house unless I ain’t here or I’m asleep, an sometimes even when I’m sleepin.”

“Never seen em do much a that even when he was livin with my momma,” she said, almost as an accusation.

“Then he has changed quite a lot,” Ellery said.


Indeed he has - and we will see that even more changes are in store!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 22, 2007, 09:02:48 am
And the end of Chapter 55.  Such big adjustments for everyone involved - but Ellery handles the situation so perfectly - I just love him!

Once again she confronted him with that unwavering gaze. “You didn’t talk em into this queer stuff?”

Ellery shook his head. “He was queer before you was born, little girl. He had a man he loved like life itself. It isn’t somethin that rubs off like poison ivy off a plant. An that happened long before I showed up.”

“So... you don’t think it is somethin he is just gonna get over...?” she said, doubtfully.

“I never got over it yet. Never wanted to but... no, I don’t think so.”

“He was married to my momma for twelve years.”

“A lot a men get married cause they feel they have to, or like you... they think it’ll wear off in time.”

“An... it don’t...”

“You think your lovin yer husband an wantin ta make love with him is gonna wear off one day an yer gonna start chasin girls in miniskirts all of a sudden?”

She giggled suddenly, putting her hand over her mouth. “No sir, that won’t never happen.”

“Well that is just as likely as Ennis wakin up tomorrow an decidin he needs to find a good woman. Women don’t interest em, not in the intimate sense. But yer just gonna have ta trust that he is learnin more about himself an that will make him a much happier man. He is still quite young, an he is healthy as an ox an has a good career as a horse trainer, an there ain’t nothin to be ashamed of in yer daddy. I am proud ta know em, an you should be proud to call em your daddy.”

“I ... ain’t ashamed ... well, not exactly.”

“Sure you are, if you think that it’s wrong or dirty. You ain’t unusual if you think that way, but as long as you do, it is going to make it difficult to accept him, an accept me. I have to deal with people who hate queers all the time... but your daddy is a little different. He doesn’t even like to think about bein queer, or callin himself that, an he doesn’t like people ta know, so rejectin him bein queer makes it even more difficult for him to accept. That is why I asked em ta do some work at the bar. So he can get used to it.”

“Why does he have ta get used to it as you say, though?” Junior’s cheeks were burning with indignation, embarrassment, and not a little intimidation.

“Because after all this time, he ain’t gonna stop bein queer, so he better get used to it one way or the other or he is gonna hate himself a little bit every day. An that is a terrible way ta live.”

She dropped her eyes. “I guess... you got a point there.”

“An it would not be good for em ta know that the ones who love em couldn’t get used to it. It happens, but somethin tells me you’re a whole lot more open minded than you think you are, otherwise you wouldn’t a driven down here. Am I right?”

“Sure enough,” she said.

“You know an I know you coulda asked yer daddy ta send you a Western Union with that money, no need ta make a trip. You made the trip to come see what was up here, an that was a brave thing ta do.”

“Yeah, well...” she smiled faintly, a carbon copy of Ennis’s embarrassed smile... “just don’t tell my daddy that or he’ll think I’m spyin on em.”

“It’ll be our secret. You want some more lemonade?”

“Yes sir, thank you.” This time when she smiled, she looked Ellery directly in the face, and he felt at last, communication had been achieved

Thank You, Ellery! :-*

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 22, 2007, 09:05:11 am
Hey Marie, thanks for helping out with the quotes!

Here's another line I always loved, from chapter 54:

Junior wiped her mouth delicately with a bright paper napkin. “That was delicious Daddy, thank you,” she said.

“Got any more a them?” Ellery said, rising and peering over at the stove.

“You just set. I swear you got a hollow leg,” Ennis grumbled, and picked up Ellery’s plate, bringing two more tacos over to him. “That’s all she wrote. But you won’t have no room for brownies.”

“Oh I got room no fear,” Ellery smiled. “Homemade baked goods just slide down my throat.”


LOL!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 22, 2007, 09:10:50 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 22, 2007, 09:05:11 am
Hey Marie, thanks for helping out with the quotes!

Here's another line I always loved, from chapter 54:

Junior wiped her mouth delicately with a bright paper napkin. “That was delicious Daddy, thank you,” she said.

“Got any more a them?” Ellery said, rising and peering over at the stove.

“You just set. I swear you got a hollow leg,” Ennis grumbled, and picked up Ellery’s plate, bringing two more tacos over to him. “That’s all she wrote. But you won’t have no room for brownies.”

“Oh I got room no fear,” Ellery smiled. “Homemade baked goods just slide down my throat.”


LOL!

L

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: 

Oh My God - I just spit coffee all over my screen!   

(And you're more than welcome  - this is a lot of fun!)   :)

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 22, 2007, 12:14:20 pm
Thanks for all the great quotes. I was going to quote Wayne's visit from chapter 54 but you girls beat me too it  ;D


“Wayne, “ Ellery sighed… “This is Ennis’s daughter, Alma.”

Junior smiled uncertaintly at the stranger in his tight red tank top and snug short-shorts, showing a considerable length of slender leg in the seated position.

“Daughter? Holy shit Ennis, you got married an had kids? You married a woman?”

“No I picked one out of a cabbage patch, Wayne,” Ennis hissed.


 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh: Funny Ennis! Love that!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 22, 2007, 12:32:14 pm
I came home from a meeting in Heidelberg and sat here and read back through all the quotes instead of cranking out a new chapter, and I got such a kick out of the Junior/Ellery dynamic and also the foreshadowings of Dupree's eventual self-discovery.

No wonder things didn't work out with Janice or Tatiana!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 23, 2007, 10:03:01 am
We are at 600 pages on this thread! Woo-wee!

Okay re-readers, today we have chapters 56-60 on tap.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/65216.html

From chapter 56:

The phone over the bar rang, and Rudy picked it up. “Red Stallion. Yeah hold on.” He held the phone out to Dupree. “It’s fer you, it’s the Sheriff’s department.”

“Dupree. Well who woulda figured, you gonna put a warrant out for em? Um let me see, driver was about oh thirty thirty five, light brown hair, short,, brown eyes, about six foot two thirty five ta two fifty pounds. Passenger was about six foot, dishwater blond, short hair, short beard an moustache, unkempt, medium build, both wearin jeans an jean jackets, no noticeable tattoos or scars.” He hung up once more and the phone rang immediately. He picked it up again.

Ennis was surprised, he had noticed very little of these details when he had gone out to the truck.. noticing more than anything Dupree’s attitude and the cut of his jeans over his muscled rear. I’d make a terrible policeman, he thought to himself, ignoring the implications of his looking at Dupree’s ass for the time being.

“Hey is there anybody here by the name a Freeze?” Dupree asked, looking around.

“Shut up Dupree,” Ennis growled, and snatched the phone out of his hand. “Hey Ellery.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 23, 2007, 10:11:42 am
Something funny in chapter 57:

Junior nodded. Ellery got up to get her an ice water, cracking open a tray of ice from the freezer, noting that Ennis had defrosted and cleaned it. I got ta start payin attention ta that boy, he cleans way too much, he thought, as he plopped the cubes into a large glass and filled it, bringing it in for her, before picking up the phone once again.


and then,

“Yeah I don’t know if I can stay fer that... party...” she said doubtfully, sipping on the ice water. “Maybe if I get a good night’s sleep an all...”

“Well let’s get things set up for ya, okay? An don’t worry about yer Daddy. One a the advantages a livin with a member a the law enforcement community is I can have the Sheriff himself over here any time a the day or night if I really needed em, an I have only needed em over here once.” He did not tell her how recently that once was, however, and went to the bathroom closet to get the spare sheets, blanket and pillows, returning with an armload and setting them on the recliner before pulling out the coffee table.

“Can I help ya with that?” she asked, rising from the sofa as he moved toward it, and as Ellery looked up he found her staring at him. He glanced back down and stifled a grin. Not a shy girl, just acts like one, he thought.

“Nah, don’t take but a little tug right here,” he said, straightening up, feeling those luminous brown eyes on his body. An damn good thing Ennis ain’t here ta watch her watchin me too, he thought as he flipped out the convertible bed and locked it in the open position, then reached for the sheets and plopped them down. “Ya can help me with these maybe.”

“Sure enough,” she said, and he noticed she was blushing.

“Everythin okay?” he asked softly.

“Oh yeah, just a ... little tired is all,” she smiled weakly, as if knowing that he had noticed.

“Course. Comes on ya all of a sudden don’t it? Boy when my back gives out I have ta make a beeline to my bed an nothin’ll get me out of it, not even fresh biscuits. Okay, maybe fresh biscuits,” he joked.

“You an my daddy must eat a lot a biscuits if ya both love em that much. I should give ya the recipe ta make em fresh.”

“Hell no, we start mixin up dough in that kitchen Ennis’s’ll be bakin all day an cleanin all night, can’t have that.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 23, 2007, 10:25:37 am
The FAMOUS conversation in chapter 58!

“I can’t understand why they have to do that fake talkin like they was all imitatin Mae West or somethin. Can’t they act like boys?”

“Well from what I seen, a boy who swishes around doin that high voice thing an wigglin his booty tends ta draw looks. I guess it’s also tellin the manly ones what they’re after.”

“That ain’t hard ta figure.”

“One thing is hard ta figure, Ennis, an that is... what it’s like with you an Ellery. I mean... both a you act perfectly straight.”

“What are you askin, boy?”

“Well... which one... is ... the man.”

Ennis laughed, unexpectedly. “We’re both men, Dupree. What the fuck a you talkin about?”

Dupree blushed. “You know what I mean.. which one a you...is on top.”

“Shit Dupree, ain’t that kinda personal?” His face had reddened suddenly.

“Yeah, but part a why I wanted ta come over here ta work is so I could find out more about what life was like for homosexual men, how’m I gonna do that without askin questions?”

“Fair enough,” Ennis said, his blush fading. He pointed imperceptibly over at Gene, who was giggling loudly enoug for Dupree to hear. “Now if that was Bill’s last boyfriend, an Bill was with Ellery at one time what does that tell ya?”

Dupree blinked. “I wouldn’t a ... thought.”

“Sometimes we change places,” he added in an undertone.

“Learn somethin new every day...” Dupree said, looking down at his beer.

“Okay well you asked, guess you didn’t like the answer.”

“Well... all this time I thought...ya know.. Ellery was well... different.”

“He is. He ain’t like these girly boys.”

“Course not.”

“An it ain’t no disrespect ta him just because he likes it a certain way in bed. It’s a private thing.”

“Sure.”

“But you still are makin that face.”

“I dunno, I didn’t think I had any prejudice about, you know, queers... I guess I sorta do.”

“Dupree, if nobody ever got on bottom then there wouldn’t be nobody on top.”

Dupree smirked. “Good point.” He took a gulp of beer. “I guess this makes us real good friends now that you told me some a yer secrets.”

“You better not say nothin ta Ellery about it. I don’t know what you boys joke around about down at the station but I sure don’t want em thinkin I was talkin about our private bedroom life with you.”

“You didn’t. I asked one question an you answered indirectly. It was quite tactful. So now I can say you never actually divulged anythin about you an Ellery.”

Ennis smiled faintly. “That’s true ain’t it?”

“You are amazinly clever for someone who likes ta play dumb country hick, Ennis. I never bought that act for a minute. An I am sure Ellery don’t neither.”

Ennis grinned at him. “No, he’s cottoned on ta most of it.”

“You really do love em a lot don’t ya?”

Ennis nodded, taking refuge behind his beer glass.

“I can tell, you get that look in yer eye. Same look he gets in his eye. I wish the hell I could get a girl ta look at me that way.”

“Oh come on Dupree, yer a nice lookin piece a man...”

Dupree’s eyebrows shot up again. “What are you sayin Ennis? You think I’m attractive...?”

“I’m just sayin. You would be to a girl.”

“You think I’m handsome don’t you? You check me out when I ain’t lookin?”

“I do not.”

“Come on, you can tell me, we’re buddies.”

“Shut up, Dupree....” Ennis growled.

“You do check me out. I’m gonna tell Ellery.” he stood up with his empty glass.

“Don’t you call em, boy, my little girl is probably half asleep on the sofa!” Ennis said, voice rising with annoyance.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 23, 2007, 10:32:07 am
Chapter 59....


“I haven’t forgotten Ennis. You want me ta wait for ya?”

“No, just tell Junior I’ll be right there.”

“Okay. I love ya. I’ll be home as soon as I can.”

“Yeah.” Ennis hung up, and went back over to where Dupree had started talking with Gene and Wayne.

“Oh hey Ennis, you decided ta notice I was alive I see,” Wayne said, pouting.

“You seemed ta have plenty a company there Wayne, why should I butt in?” Ennis said, obviously uncomfortable.

Wayne turned to Gene, who looked up at Ennis disdainfully. “Ennis don’t like me because I’m flabby an don’t ride horses an I ain’t enough of a man fer him.”

“That figures. Ain’t nobody good enough for em but the lord high Ellery Cantrell, ain’t that so Ennis?” Gene said.

“You want ta talk shit about the guy who opened this bar go ahead, but do it outside,” Ennis said. “Listen Dupree, I got ta go. Ellery is goin in to the station an I don’t want Junior ta be home alone.”

“Course not.”

“I’d ask ya along except that’d leave the bar without a bouncer an that ain’t good considerin.”

“I can have the patrol stay on, Ennis, don’t worry. Lauren here can help if Wayne an Gene start throwin punches at each other over which one of em wants ta go ta bed with ya first.”

“Jesus Christ Dupree, ya just made my stomach turn.”

Both Gene and Wayne glared at Dupree, who returned their looks with a sweet smile. “You know ya both find em irresistible. What’d Jim call ya? The Marlboro Man.”

“Shut up Dupree, I swear,” Ennis said, and walked rapidly out of the bar to the sound of combined chuckles and giggles.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 23, 2007, 10:36:09 am
More from Chapter 59:

Ennis pulled her close, smoothing her hair. “I am real sorry about this, Junior, real sorry. Is there anythin I can do?”

She nodded, sadly. “Yeah, but I don’t think you will, Daddy. Not after what I seen today.”

“You want me ta come back ta Riverton.”

She nodded again, pressing her head against his shoulder.

“Darlin I would if I had some kind a job ta keep me, an if I didn’t have ... the life here, ya know I would. I didn’t leave Riverton ta run away from ya.”

“I know Daddy,” she said, voice very soft. “I know. But things are real bad, an if Curt don’t find a job I just know he is gonna move back in with his momma an just cut me dead.”

“Darlin if Curt leaves ya... ya can come down ta me an I’ll... help ya out here. Me an Ellery, an Wes an Edna. Tell you what... stay for the party tomorrow an meet em an you’ll get ta know what life is like for me here. I got a really good job, an I got a good life.”

“What if... things don’t work out with you two? I mean it’s only been a little while.”

“It don’t work that way with me darlin. I always knew it was Jack fer me from the get go... an it’s the same here... it wasn’t like marryin yer momma. I always knew why I done that, an it was always a mistake. But no, we ain’t goin nowhere here, an if you need me an don’t want ta go ta Bill an yer momma you come down here an we’ll figure it out.”

“You sure?” she said, pulling back slightly and looking in his eyes.

“Sure I’m sure. In fact I’ll tell Ellery about how things are an maybe he can come up with some ideas. He knows a lot a people in this town, and so do Wes an Edna. I ain’t hopin fer Curt ta leave you, if ya don’t want em to, but if he does, you wont be left high an dry. You got that?”

“Okay Daddy. In that case I should probably call Curt in the mornin an tell em I won’t get gettin home till Monday. He won’t be happy but he won’t complain when I bring home half the rent money either.”

Ennis patted her head. “That’s my gal. Now you get some sleep, an I’m gonna lie down a bit, who knows when Ellery’ll be back.”

“Okay Daddy, good night now.”

Ennis kissed Junior good night, shut off the living room light, and took one of his five minute showers, wrapped himself in a towel and went into the bedroom. He picked up “The ABC Murders” which he hadn’t finished, and tossed it down when his eyes got heavy. He looked longingly at the phone, hoping Ellery would call, but the phone remained silent. He drifted off to sleep with the book in his hand.



L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 23, 2007, 01:29:54 pm
Hi gang - another great set of chapters! 
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 23, 2007, 10:25:37 am
The FAMOUS conversation in chapter 58!

L

Oh - Famous, indeed!  Wow - that is something to re-read that now!   ;D  In J&N's holiday story Nick worries that his mom will ask that same embarrassing "who's the man" question!  I like this line especially -

"Dupree, if nobody ever got on bottom then there wouldn't be nobody on top."

 :laugh: :laugh:


I thought this exchange, which takes place immediately preceding the FAMOUS conversation,  was very interesting (a bit of foreshadowing?) in light of "A Small Circle of Friends":

“No, I was gonna say too much of a recluse. You an Ellery must get along good because you both like ... I dunno, you ain’t party people, is the best way I can say it.”

“That’s fer sure, only party I can remember goin to is the one when Ellery got his promotion.”

I'm also finding Jeremy teasing Ennis in the bar really funny - little did he know that in a few months he himself would become the target of some teasing - and he won't find it funny at all!!

Great quotes, Leslie!  Thanks!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 23, 2007, 01:39:59 pm
Well, you didn't think I was going to skip this, did you?  This scene is memorable for many reasons  - I can't remember another time when we've seen this particular, er, number pop up on E&E's dance card.  I guess we find out why when we read Ellery's last line!



As soon as Ennis broke the kiss, rising onto his knees, Ellery shook his head. “Boy what are you doin?”

“What’s it look like?” Ennis whispered, stroking his cock with a wicked grin on his face.

“Gettin me hard as a rock, Jesus Ennis, you gonna fuck me with yer daughter in the other room?”

“Was thinkin a somethin different actually, maybe not so loud... like suckin each other off.”

Ellery moaned again softly as Ennis skillfully stroked him, his hips rising slightly off the bed. “Well okay if yer sure.”

“Got ta have somethin boy, can’t go all night like this,” and Ellery noticed in the moonlit darkness that Ennis was fully erect.

“You been thinkin about me.”

“Dreamin.. had a dream,” he said. “We gonna talk or get to it?”

“You want ta do this at the same time?” Ellery said, still doubtful.

Ennis nodded.

“Okay then turn around an climb over me...” he instructed softly, and Ennis turned, lowering his knees as he stretched out over Ellery’s body, keeping a firm hand on his cock, and shivered as his cock slipped into Ellery’s mouth, then opened his own mouth and began to lick the tip of Ellery’s cock, sliding it bit by bit deeper into his mouth and rested on his elbows while his own cock was swallowed energetically. It was difficult for Ennis to concentrate or to use any technique, with the enthusiastic treatment his own cock was getting, but he sucked and stroked with the rhythm of Ellery’s rising hips, his own hips bucking with the intense stimulation.

It became clear as he felt a surge of pressure, that Ellery was trying to make him come rapidly, but by then, he could no longer concentrate or hold back, and almost choked on a groan as his hips tensed up and he erupted suddenly, Ellery swallowing his jet of come without difficulty. Ennis redoubled his efforts as his orgasm settled, Ellery still sucking him, and he squeezed the base of his cock, knowing that it was the more vigorous and violent action that usually triggered Ellery off, and slipped his free hand around and pushed it into his sphincter dry, causing Ellery to buck hard and spasm, squirting a mouthful of salty fluid into Ennis’s mouth, his own mouth falling open with a loud gasp and a shudder.

Ennis pulled his finger out when Ellery finished coming, and rolled off him, panting, then rose to his knees. His face was messy with come.

“You look a sight, boy,” Ellery said, grinning up at him.

“Yeah, but I feel real good,” he replied, lying down on the pillow. “How about you?”

“I look a sight too, but I haven’t got all that spunk on my face.” He leaned in, and lapped at Ennis’s cheek and chin, and Ennis chuckled softly while Ellery lapped his come off his face, sneaking a kiss in the middle of it. “Much better,” he pronounced as he tickled Ennis’s cheek with the tip of his tongue.

“You like that good enough?”

“Good enough for not havin no sex, sure,” Ellery said, digging his elbow into Ennis’s ribs.



Ha, ha, Ellery - no sex!  Ah, well, with Junior on the other side of the wall - emergency measures needed to be taken! 

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 23, 2007, 02:15:40 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 23, 2007, 01:39:59 pm
Well, you didn't think I was going to skip this, did you?  This scene is memorable for many reasons  - I can't remember another time when we've seen this particular, er, number pop up on E&E's dance card.  I guess we find out why when we read Ellery's last line!


Marie

E&E's dance card?? Marie, you crack me up!!  :laugh:

thanks for the quotes.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on January 23, 2007, 06:38:04 pm
I just saw that today is Quiplash's birthday! 

I haven't seen him online for ages ..
but if you do read this Quip..

Happy Birthday mate!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2007, 09:25:08 am
Good morning, re-readers! Chapters 61-65 today...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/66367.html


From 61, a little bit of early morning humor...

“Nah I’m okay.” The bathroom door opened and Ellery stepped out, wearing that too-brief robe that showed most of his thighs. He opened the door of the bedroom as Junior turned, startled. “Jesus God!” she gasped, and put her hand over her eyes.

“Whoops, ‘scuse me, “ Ellery said with an embarrassed smile, and closed the bedroom door.

“What’s wrong, darlin?” Ennis asked, frowning, and poked his head out into the hall.

“Nothin... it’s okay,” she murmured, blushing wildly, and retreated to the sofa to start folding up the blankets and sheets.

“Dammit,” he muttered, stirring the eggs in the pan.

Ellery came out several minutes later, hair combed back wet, in a black t-shirt and denim jeans. “Smells good,” he said cheerfully, leaning in through the kitchen doorway. Junior clutched her robe to her neck, and bent to get some clothes out of her overnight bag.

“S’cuse me, can I go in the bathroom now?”

“Sure Alma, sorry about dashin out there like that.”

“Just wasn’t... wasn’t expectin ...” she fled into the bathroom wordlessly.

“Jesus Christ Ellery.”

“I haven’t got a longer robe. I’m a former bachelor, remember?”

“Still... ya might a dressed in the bathroom.”

“You didn’t.”

“She’s used ta me, besides, I put a towel on, I didn’t prance around in a little nightdress,” Ennis muttered.

“I won’t do it again, okay?”

“Damn straight ya won’t do it again.”

“Ennis, yer bein irritatin.”

“An yer bein insensitive. She is a young girl.”

Ellery dropped his voice, but his tone was heated. “She’s a married woman. All she got was a look at my legs. She’s seen legs before.”

“She’s havin a bad time with her husban so she don’t need no distraction.”

Ellery blinked twice slowly, and then smiled. “I swear ta god Ennis, you come up with the strangest ways a bein jealous.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2007, 09:49:29 am
From Chapter 62:

“Hey.”

“Hey Daddy. I’m sorry I told ya ta shut up.”

“I’m sorry I called ya a filly in heat.”

She looked up shyly. “Did ya mean it?”

Ennis sat down next to her on the sofa. “I never lived with a man before, Junior... I ... I don’t know, I just know when anybody looks at Ellery an I catch em lookin it gets me riled up an I see red. I guess that was out a line.”

“An I guess if I am gonna come cryin ta you I should expect ya ta start askin questions. An no, things a been all right in the love department, an that is about the only thing that is workin right.”

“Fair enough,” Ennis said.

“So you got... jealous a me findin em handsome Daddy? Really?”

“I’m a real jealous guy, darlin,” he said.

“Funny, I never seen you act that way with Momma when was little. An men used ta look at er all the time.”

He smiled faintly. “Junior, you hit the nail on the head. See... I didn’t feel that way about yer momma.”

“Oh... yeah...” she said, her voice dropping. “I see.”

“When someone is lookin at the man I want... it’s ... it’s different.”

“I understand. Sometimes me an Curt go to the church social an there is this Gillian Summers always comes flouncin over an hi an how are you an can I dance with yer husband and she is swayin her hips an it just makes me see red.”

He nodded. “Then you know exactly what I’m talkin about.

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2007, 09:58:51 am
From chapter 65....another famous encounter!

“Hey... we got a second night ta get through, but we got a little while fer some cuddlin an fondlin while she’s out on her walk.”

Ennis swallowed a gulp of coffee. “That’s true. C’mere.”

Ellery stood up and walked over to Ennis’ side of the table, and Ennis, predictably, opened his belt and unzipped him. “I miss doin this just any ol time.”

“Oh sweetheart, you like bein dirty don’t ya?”

“Yeah well... yeah...” he slipped his fingers into Ellery’s fly and pushed down the front of his drawers, gripping his cock, then tilted his head up. “You like that, when I grab ya?”

“Uhhhh huh...”

Ennis stood up, keeping Ellery’s cock firmly in hand as it stiffened, stroking him slightly as he moved closer, then smothered his mouth with a passionate kiss, his other hand pulling Ellery’s chest against his, thrusting his tongue in his mouth. Ellery shuddered with pleasure, feeling the stiff heat of Ennis’s erection against his hip as Ennis thrust his tongue deep in his mouth, working his cock roughly with his hand, then pushing him against the side of the house. Ellery’s arms came around his back, sliding down over his ass and kneading his cheeks with his long fingers.

Junior, had started down the road, turned back as a large thunderhead cast the early evening into shadow, and she came around the side of the house to join Ennis and Ellery, stopping dead as she saw her father pressing Ellery up against the house in a passionate embrace. She stared for a long moment, in a confused fascination, taking in the position of Ennis’s hand moving between them, Ellery’s fingers digging into his ass, the faint moans that escaped their locked mouths, stepped back down the stairs, and at last looked away, breathless.

Neither of the men, their ears filled only with the sound of their muffled moans and labored breathing, heard Junior’s light step on the patio, or her retreat, when they finally broke the kiss. “Can’t wait ta get you alone, an show ya my surprise, boy,” Ennis said, his voice low and urgent in Ellery’s ear, still stroking his erection.

“What is it?” Ellery responded, his breaths a series of short pants against Ennis’s neck.

“Gonna tie ya up, put that vibrator inside ya this time, turn in on high an give ya a paddlin.”

“Oh, Ennis...” Ellery sighed. “You been thinkin again.”

“You bet.”

“Now we just got ta think a what ta do right now,” Ellery moaned softly, his hips rolling as he thrust up into Ennis’s hand.

“We’re gonna make you make a mess in yer pants is what we’re gonna do,” Ennis growled, brushing his lips against Ellery’s neck and sucking, tightening his fingers on his cock as he pumped him.... “yer gonna come fer Mr. Coyote or he’ll give ya a bite.”

Ellery whimpered, opening his eyes to scan around them, but his body was largely blocked by Ennis’s, the yard empty but for a few hopping brown birds and a bright blue hummingbird sucking at the water feeder, and he surrendered to the dominance of Ennis’s hand and the scrape of his teeth along the base of his neck, fixing on his shoulder, and he nipped hard as his hand pumped him, the nip causing a spasm of pleasure to tip Ellery over the edge, causing him to spurt into the palm of Ennis’s hand. He moaned softly as he came, his body quivering with pleasure, and Ennis relaxed his hand, gathering as much of his semen as he could and stepping back a pace, holding his wet palm to Ellery’s mouth while he tucked his cock back into his drawers. Ellery gave him a heavy-lidded smile as he licked the warm liquid out of Ennis's hand.

Ennis nodded, dropping his hand once Ellery had licked it clean, and zipped him up, buckling his belt. “Try not ta look too satisfied, boy...” he warned softly, giving him another rough kiss, his tongue lapping the salty taste from Ellery’s lips.

“I’ll try,” he replied with a mischievous grin. “What about you?”

“You can suck me off when we go ta bed.”

“Can I use some fingers?”

Ennis nodded, saying nothing, his face flushed with desire, and as he moved to sit back at the table, he adjusted himself. “Better settle down now. Want another coffee?”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2007, 10:00:11 am
Wowza! Wowza! Wowza!  9000 posts! Whoopee!!

And to think, it all started with a single post....LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2007, 11:12:28 am
Since mention of a certain item of jewelry always turns Marie and me into a puddle of goo, I thought I'd share a current hot photo of Heath Ledger's hand (that's Michelle's hand on the left)...

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/0200703123900.jpg)


You can see all of Heath here:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004580002-2007030651,00.html

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 24, 2007, 01:16:56 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 24, 2007, 11:12:28 am
Since mention of a certain item of jewelry always turns Marie and me into a puddle of goo, I thought I'd share a current hot photo of Heath Ledger's hand (that's Michelle's hand on the left)...

L

"Puddle of goo" - love it!  And you know what makes me even "gooier?"  Look - Heath's pushing a baby stroller!  LOL!!!

Thanks, Leslie!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2007, 01:24:02 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 24, 2007, 01:16:56 pm
"Puddle of goo" - love it!  And you know what makes me even "gooier?"  Look - Heath's pushing a baby stroller!  LOL!!!

Thanks, Leslie!

Marie

Some days, I really think I am loosing my marbles, when I can stare at a picture of a (certain) man's hand and think it's really really hot....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 24, 2007, 01:34:37 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on January 24, 2007, 01:24:02 pm
Some days, I really think I am loosing my marbles, when I can stare at a picture of a (certain) man's hand and think it's really really hot....

L

Ha, ha, ha!  Hey, I've always thought that a man's hand can be very, very sexy - especially when contemplating the hand in, .....er, action!   ;D


Phew - oh, yeah - love that famous encounter in Chapter 65!   ;D

Jumping back to Chapter 64 at the picnic:

Edna brought a platter of hotdogs and hamburgers to the table. “That girl a yers gonna show up for dinner or should we go ahead, Ennis?” she asked as Ennis sat down.

“Oh she’s a good girl, she’ll be along.”

“All right then, Ben, don’t touch just yet,” she cautioned as Ben reached out to fork a hamburger onto his plate.

“There she is!” Jess said excitedly as Nellie cantered into the yard, Junior wearing a broad smile, her hair now loose and streaming behind her.

Junior reined in at the open gate of the paddock and slid out of the saddle as Jess jumped up and trotted over to take off Nellie’s tack. “Good ride? Ain’t she a great horse?”

“Oh yeah!” Junior said, breathless, and slipped her bridle off, giving her nose a rub. Nellie nodded, nickering softly. „Just leave er in the paddock Daddy?“

“Yep that’s right,” Ennis said, standing up. “Ain’t she a darlin?”

Wes grinned. “I swear, that Ennis loves his horses.”

Jess took off Nellie’s saddle and reached for the bridle as Junior handed it to him. “Thank you so much fer helpin, I do know how ta saddle a horse ya know,” she said softly.

“Just... helpin out, yer a guest an all. We do that for everybody who comes to the ranch.” He glanced away shyly, cheeks slightly blushing.

“You work with my Daddy?” she asked, as Jess put the saddle up on the fence and closed the paddock gate.

“Oh yeah, he is a really good horse man,” he nodded, and Junior looked at him sidelong.

“He sure is. Come on, I’m sure they’re waitin,” she urged, and led the way back to the picnic table, where Ben Tooey was already reaching for the hamburgers once more behind Edna’s back.

“Come on an sit down... Alma is it? “

“You can call me Junior, that’s what Daddy calls me,” she said. “I really love Nellie.”

“She didn’t give you a hard time or nothin? She was a wild one ta break.”

“Hell no Daddy, I ain’t shy a young ones, you know that.”

“Sure enough,” Ennis beamed.

I love seeing Ennis as the proud daddy beaming at his little girl.  And it was so much fun reading the LJ comments on these chapters - the speculation about Junior and Dupree - LOL!!  - and then the speculation about Junior and Jess.  I had forgotten about that!  I wonder if anything more will come of that now that Junior is moving to town!  More to ponder!

Thanks for the quotes, Leslie!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2007, 11:35:00 am
Good morning, re-readers....today, chapters 66-70

http://louisev.livejournal.com/67826.html

“You back from yer walk? Feelin okay?” Ennis said, waving her over.

“Yeah, thanks Daddy.” She sat down between the two of them, giving each man a careful look. “You sure you don’t mind me stayin tonight?”

“Course not, Junior, it’s settled,” Ennis replied quickly. “You want some coffee?”

“Oh no, I’d be up all night, thank you. You sure... I ain’t... underfoot or nothin...?” she asked cautiously, and Ennis’s face brightened red with sudden realization.

“No you ain’t underfoot. An... you came up on the patio didn’t you?” he said, his cheeks blazing.

“I didn’t see nothin, Daddy, I just turned around...” she stammered.

“Junior --- I’m real sorry.”

“It ain’t my house... it ain’t my place,” she said stoically, her own embarrassment showing in her stiff spine and her own blush.

“We might a been more discreet though,” Ellery said, masking his own embarrassment with a tight smile, but hoping that she hadn’t walked up on them at the moment he was moaning through his orgasm or licking Ennis’s hand.

“I know,” Junior said quietly.

“We don’t want ya ta go, Junior, you just get a good night’s rest here an get a good start tomorrow.”

“Sure enough,” she replied, her voice almost hushed. A few moments of silence followed. “You... really are in love aren’t ya...” she said, looking down at the table.

“Yup,” Ennis replied, raising his coffee mug and taking a slow sip.

“I guess.... I guess it shows,” she replied. “You mind if I go ta bed early? I didn’t have a good rest last night.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2007, 11:39:16 am
From Chapter 68:

“Shit that reminds me, I am really not keen on hirin some new bouncer right now, an Dupree is about the only one I am trustin besides Ennis, is it possible ta maybe give Ennis a little leeway at the ranch so he can at least cover the busy hours on the nights Dupree ain’t on?”

“Well, if he wants ta, the stables are pretty empty right now it’s true, I guess if he wants ta knock off afternoons that’d be all right. He open that envelope?”

“Yeah, this mornin. He might still be starin at it. I don’t think he ever saw that much money before in his life.”

“You didn’t ever tell em how much you got in the bank did ya?”

“Hell no. He might faint.”

“Break it to em gently. What a you intend ta do regardin Ennis?”

“I am in love with the boy, Wes. I want ta make some sort a real commitment here... I told em I wanted us ta be partners... in the bar, in business, in our relationship... an his eyes fell outta his head, so I’m not pushin em.”

“Good plan. Bring it up again later after ... well you know, at a tender moment.”

“I intend to.”

“But ya might want ta not let it slip about yer real circumstances fer a while. Boys who grow up poor, they got a lot a funny ideas about money.”

“I think he’s one of em.”

“But yer doin good with em, he seemed a whole lot happier, an I think he even touched ya a couple a times in front a the boys.”

“I think yer right.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2007, 11:43:20 am
And more from Chapter 68:

“Now if our luck holds, nobody will beat on the door this time,” Ellery remarked as Ennis sank down next to him.

“Yeah,” Ennis said, nuzzling into Ellery’s neck.

“Now ya want ta tell me what got ya so riled ya had ta tie me up an paddle me today?”

Ennis shrugged, blushing. “I dunno, jealous I guess.”

“Jealous?”

“Ya know.”

“Oh, jealous a Junior lookin at my thighs.”

Ennis smirked. “Kinda silly ain’t it....”

“You are one fiercely possessive man, Ennis. I think I like it.”

“Ya do?”

Ellery put the palm of his hand on Ennis’ sweaty chest. “I ain’t never felt like this about anyone, sweetheart. I want... I want us ta be together like this, like partners. Like... a real married couple.”

“Yeah, ya mentioned....” Ennis replied, the color on his face deepening.

“What a you think about that?”

“I think.... I think I want it too.”

“I love you, Ennis, I love ya like life itself.” Ellery’s grey eyes swam with tears. Ennis leaned in and pressed his lips against his.

“I love ya too darlin. Like life itself.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2007, 11:47:12 am
Chapter 69:

“Eagleton... he brought Beagle down with em an put all sorts a pressure on me ta see em today.” Ellery’s brows creased, his eyes still fixed on Ennis’s face.

“You don’t have to, Ellery.”

“I know. But he says it’d be good for em, even if it’s... short. So he’s supposed ta come ta my office at noon.”

Ennis glanced at his watch. “You ain’t got a lot a time.”

Ellery pulled Ennis closer, mouth seeking his. “I love you Ennis.”

Ennis leaned in and their lips met, tenderly this time,and he nibbled Ellery’s mouth softly, brushing the tip of his tongue against his bottom lip and tongue. “I know, I love ya too.”

“I wanted ya ta know, before. I didn’t want ta spring this on ya later,” Ellery said, still frowning, his words anxious.

“I know, thanks for that. You gonna be okay?”

“I could use about ten more a those kisses...” Ellery yearned toward him once more, arms slipping around Ennis’s waist, and Ennis smiled at him, bringing his mouth against his lips once more, this time pushing his tongue between them, an erotic, passionate kiss, which they held for long moments, Ennis’s hands sliding down Ellery’s long back and resting on his sore ass, squeezing slightly. Ellery made a soft moan as his hands kneaded, and Ennis finally broke off.

“Guess it won’t do ta get ya riled up,” Ennis said, breath short as he stepped back. “We can have some more a that later."

“Yeah I better go.”

Ellery drove back to the office, glancing at his watch as it got dangerously close to noon. He parked and got out of his car, feeling fortified by Ennis’s reassurance, and as he opened the door, a tall, no-longer bony but rather heavyset, cleancut figure stood and stepped toward him, a worried, almost panicked look on his face which resolved into a hopeful smile.

“Hey Beatle,” he said. His voice was still the same, that uncertain smile, unchanged. Ellery’s heart dropped into his stomach as he reached out a trembling hand to shake.

“Hey there. Been a long time.” Ellery’s throat was dry. “Let’s get out a here.”

Ellery led the way back out of the station, his mind roaring. He stepped back over to the El Camino. “I know a nice place ta eat, we can talk a bit, okay?”

Beagle smiled uncertainly, and opened the door as Ellery unlocked it. “Sure.” Automatically, Ellery steered the El Camino to the Rose Hotel, and parked on the street. “Best steaks in Laramie,” he explained.

“Sounds good to me.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2007, 11:50:05 am
Chapter 70, lunch from hell...

“An... I guess... leavin you like that was a real shitty thing to do, Beatle.”

“You can call me Ellery now, I suppose I should call ya Bruce.”

“Yer still a Beatle though. How you get ta be a high mucky muck in the sheriff’s office with all that hair?”

“Pure genius an suckin a lot a sheriff cock,” Ellery said, setting his beer down. “Sorry, I didn’t mean that.”

Beagle turned beet red at the comment. “I guess I deserved that.”

“I didn’t need ta be mean,” Ellery said, his own color high. Mercifully, the waitress appeared at his elbow and slid two delicious salads in front of them, and Ellery picked up his fork.

“You musta been real upset with me.”

Ellery set down his fork. “Real upset is sort of an understatement... Bruce. Quite the understatement. But it’s all in the past now.”

Beagle was still blushing, his teeth digging into his bottom lip. “Dad says yer ... open. D.A. knows yer queer, an you even live with a guy.”

“Yeah I live with a guy. Really nice guy. An I love em ta pieces.” Ellery stabbed at a tomato slice. “Maybe we can just get down ta business here. What exactly is it I am supposed ta do or say that is supposed ta make you get on with yer life or whatever it is you need ta do? If I can help without recitin my first academic year at the U I would like ta try ta accomplish that.”

“Uh... well. um...“ Beagle picked up his own fork. “I guess... it was more... me tellin you that I didn’t mean ta hurt ya an I’m sorry for one thing.”

“Okay, well I forgive ya. What next?” Ellery found himself deeply disturbed, tense, and his appetite had fled somewhere between picking up his beer and the comment about sucking cock. I am such an ass, he thought. He is gonna tell his daddy an daddy is gonna call me up and tell me ta fuck off.

“I... I am tryin ta... get used to this thing, see. About... about bein, you know.”

“Homosexual, Bruce. The term is homosexual. That thing you never said while you were poundin my ass into the mattress in the dorms.”

Beagle turned bright red again. “Please.”

“What a ya want me ta do, use clinical terms? I’m a detective, not a doctor. Yeah. I’m a homosexual. A queer, a faggot. An as far as I’m concerned you were one too because we had a whole lot goin on between the sheets all that time.”

To Ellery’s surprise, Beagle hung his head, that forelock falling into his eyes. “I... know. I know that.” He looked up, pushing his hair out of his eyes. “Maybe you don’t want ta know this, but... I missed you. I wanted ta call you a hundred times, an didn’t.”

“Good thing ya didn’t.”

“How come?”

“Because I was recoverin from takin a handful a black beauties I bought from Sven Hanson the night after you left.”

Bruce put a hand over his mouth. “Oh my god,” he said softly.

“Yeah. So now ya know.”

“Because a me?”

Ellery looked at him, steely eyes level. “I was in love with you. You told me... there was no us. You sent me an invitation to yer weddin.”

“That was pretty bad,” he said softly.

“That was pretty bad,” Ellery nodded. “But it’s twenty years ago. Okay? I’m queer, you got married, life goes on.”

“I got married three times,” he said forlornly. “An... I don’t think life did go on, not for me.”

“That is a shame. I ain’t sorry I’m queer, but I am damn sorry I got it on with you, Bruce. I’m sorry every day that I ever got it on with you.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2007, 11:52:32 am
And the end of the lunch from hell...chapter 70:

“Well that’s somethin at least,” Ellery said, his voice cracking slightly. “I’m sorry I ain’t bein all that gracious about it, but if you feel better I guess that is what counts. I can’t eat no more a this.”

“It is delicious,” Beagle enthused. “Excellent suggestion.”

“I brought my boyfriend here before we were together,” Ellery mused. “Told em I was winin em an dinin em. Guess bringin you here wasn’t the swiftest idea I had all day. But the food is good.”

“Ellery... I didn’t think... that there was any kind a thing between us anymore.”

“That’s a relief,” he replied, a little too quickly.

“But... I guess it makes it easier for me ta know... you ain’t scared a bein queer. Maybe one day I won’t be scared of it either. Cause I’m damn scared.”

“No I ain’t scared a bein queer, that is one thing that don’t scare me.”

“I want ta be like that.”

“Then ya got ta stop denyin it.”

“You ever do it with a woman?” Beagle asked, popping the last piece of steak in his mouth.

“Hell no.”

“I guess I just kept tryin.”

“A lot a guys do,” Ellery said. “Listen, I know it’s impolite an all, but this is a little hard for me, an I think I got ta go.”

Beagle nodded. “I understand. You think maybe I could call ya sometime, if I got questions?”

“I don’t think so, Bruce, I’m sorry. This might a been a good idea for you, but it was a real shit idea for me.”

“I guess I’m sorry too because I feel a whole lot better.”

“Then it was worth it.” Ellery flagged the waitress down. “You got my credit card on file here don’t ya? Get em whatever he wants for dessert, I got ta get back to work.” He stood up. “Take yer time, it’s all covered. We’re only about four blocks from yer car.”

Beagle looked up at him, eyes shining. “Thanks for talkin ta me.”

“Yer welcome.” Ellery hesitated a moment, and then laid a long hand on Beagle’s shoulder. “Try not ta worry about it. Bein queer ain’t the worst thin in the world. You made yer amends an that is what is important.”

“Yeah. Bye now, Beatle.” Beagle signalled the waitress.

“Goodbye Beagle.” Ellery hurried out the door, made it to the El Camino, put it in gear, and drove home slowly. He sat in the car for an hour, slumped over the wheel, crying.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 25, 2007, 01:40:59 pm
Hey kids - Lots of good stuff again in these chapters!

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 25, 2007, 11:39:16 am
From Chapter 68:
    ........
“Break it to em gently. What a you intend ta do regardin Ennis?”

“I am in love with the boy, Wes. I want ta make some sort a real commitment here... I told em I wanted us ta be partners... in the bar, in business, in our relationship... an his eyes fell outta his head, so I’m not pushin em.”

“Good plan. Bring it up again later after ... well you know, at a tender moment.”

“I intend to.”



L


Oooh  - I love this kind of father/son type talk between Wes and Ellery.  Something about the way Wes said "What do you intend to do regardin Ennis" - he knows Ellery and he know this is IT for him! 


And then this:

Quote from: MaineWriter on January 25, 2007, 11:43:20 am
And more from Chapter 68:


Ellery put the palm of his hand on Ennis’ sweaty chest. “I ain’t never felt like this about anyone, sweetheart. I want... I want us ta be together like this, like partners. Like... a real married couple.”

“Yeah, ya mentioned....” Ennis replied, the color on his face deepening.

“What a you think about that?”

“I think.... I think I want it too.”

“I love you, Ennis, I love ya like life itself.” Ellery’s grey eyes swam with tears. Ennis leaned in and pressed his lips against his.

“I love ya too darlin. Like life itself.”

L

I think this is the first time the "m" word is mentioned!   :)  Sigh  . . . "like life itself." 

All the Beagle stuff is so sad.  I think Wes once told Ellery that he was hard-boiled on the outside and soft-boiled on the inside - so true.

Great quotes, Leslie - Thanks!

Marie



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 25, 2007, 01:50:11 pm
The courtroom stuff is spot on - Louise did a great job!  -

From Chapter 67:

Ellery sat in court through a series of long-winded arguments, the shuffling of large stacks of paper, none of which he read when he was handed a copy, leaving that for the D.A., and one by one, the dismissal motion, the change of venue motion, the other two dismissal motions on the separate charges of stalking and lying in wait, the challenge to the denial of bail motion by the state, were dismissed by the cool hand of Bran Bradley. As the long minutes passed, and Worrell found himself stymied by the immovable judge, to virtually no objections from the State, Ellery could see him losing his temper. The problem with having been a judge too long and losing the poise required of a lawyer, he supposed. Judges don’t have to be patient. When they lose patience, they bang their gavel and dismiss everyone. They can take revenge on a long-winded defense counsel by denying him cross examinations... but Worrell was no longer god in the courtroom... he was a the beleaguered defense, attempting to eke outo whatever advantage for his wounded son he could manage, and hardly managing to hold his own.

All so true - judges really are gods of their courtrooms and they all suffer from "black robe" disease, some more seriously than others.  I love seeing Ellery at work - both investigating as a chief deputy and in the courtroom!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 10:59:08 am
Today, chapters 71-75, and these are some rough chapters, folks...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/68865.html

“Fuck off, Ennis, you are pissin me off.” Ellery took a step back, his foot fetching up against a leg of the table, and he almost fell backward.

Ennis leapt up from the table and grabbed him, Ellery grappling with him messily, and Ennis subdued him, pulling his arms close against his body and trapping him in a hug. “Settle down boy, yer just upset.”

“I ain’t gonna settle down an you let me go, goddammit.”

“This is Ennis. I’m the one you love remember?”

Ellery tried to focus on Ennis’s face. “You let me go boy.”

“I ain’t lettin you go Ellery. You made a promise not ta get stupid drunk again an hurt yerself, an you broke yer promise, now you got ta deal with me.”

“I said let me go boy,” Ellery’s voice rose, taking on a hard edge Ennis had never heard before. “You don’t know what yer dealin with here.”

“Oh I think I got a real good idea, now we’re goin inside an I am gonna sit you down an you are gonna tell me what got you so fuckin drunk.”

Ellery struggled in Ennis’s stronger arms, weakened by lack of coordination and his afternoon of weeping, but he struggled nonetheless, and Ennis pulled him, inch by inch, through the patio door, when he finally stopped resisting and sagged against him.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 11:01:14 am
More from 71:

Ellery turned his head, burrowing into Ennis’s neck, then sought his mouth, kissing him urgently, fingers digging into Ennis’s back. “Don’t want ta be alone,” he whispered against his mouth, then renewed kissing him, fingers now reaching for Ennis’s buttons, unfastening them one at a time. “Need ya, Ennis... I need my man inside me....” he said, fastening his mouth on Ennis’s, his fingers urgently unbuckling his belt, unzipping him.

“Hold on, slow down, slow down, boy...” Ennis soothed, big hands pushing the hair back from the pale face. “Plenty a time.”

“I need ya, Ennis. Fuck me, please....” he urged, and something in his manner alarmed Ennis, the tone of his voice, the needy desperation.

“Yeah, yeah, I’m gettin there, it’s okay Ellery, it’s okay, darlin. You just lie down there, relax.”

Ellery obeyed, sitting on the edge of the bed and then rolling onto his belly, rising to his knees, his head half obscured by the pillow as he watched Ennis push his denims down.

“I stink like horses, darlin.”

“Don’t care...” came the immediate response. “Please.” Ennis looked at Ellery kneeling on the bed, ass in the air, and it occurred to him that Ellery was in severe pain. Somehow, this sex was to reassure him, to let him know that he was loved. But what would reassure him most?

“You want it hard or soft, darlin... any way you want...” he said, kneeling beside him, once again, stroking his hair, his hand wandering down his back to the sensitive pink cheeks he had paddled the night before.

“Just take me, fuck me... I’m yours.”

“Yeah I know...” Ennis picked up the new jar of Vaseline he had bought on his way home. “I got ya somethin too, remembered it,” he said, holding up the jar.

“Hurry....” came that urgent, strange voice.

“Yeah I’m hurryin.” Ennis rubbed his cock with a thick coating of jelly and eased up behind him on the bed, rubbing his hands softly over the pink flesh of Ellery’s ass, hearing his breath hitch. “You got a nice pink rear end boy,”

“Yeah... oh god... yeah....” Ennis rubbed his fingers between his cheeks, dabbing Vaseline into his pucker and slipping a finger inside smoothly, moving it in and out, and Ellery sighed, calming visibly. “Oh yeah... feels good...... “ he slid his other hand lower, cupping his balls and massaging them, then pulling on his cock, stroking it lightly.

“You ready now...? “ Ennis asked softly, letting his cock go and resuming strokes with his left hand over his ass as he fingered him, Ellery’s hips rolling up and back with a sensuous writhing motion.

“Please....” he replied, his voice still using that strange tone... and it struck Ennis suddenly. Young. He sounded young, vulnerable... needy, in a way that was entirely unlike the Ellery he knew. He pressed the head of his cock against that twitching pucker and pushed in, provoking a low, pleasured moan. “Oh yeah, oh please....” he begged, fingers clenching on the pillow, back arching up as his ass pushed back against Ennis’s cock, trying to engulf him.

“Whoa boy, whoa...” but Ellery was frenetic in his need, bucking back to impale himself on Ennis’s rigid shaft, moaning loudly and continuously. He was drunk, out of his head, and horny.... he wondered, what’s the boy feelin now, all the hurt left when Beagle left em.... is this goin to be enough ta stop that hurt? he wondered, thrusting deep, pulling back, responding to the urgent bucking body beneath him, those needy moans... how much of this will wipe away that hurt... could he ever make it go away? They moved together, Ellery’s need provoking Ennis’s, their vigorous thrusts quickly becoming passionate, nearly violent, before Ellery released with a sudden cry, his spasm triggering Ennis’s orgasm in mid thrust, their cries dying out as they fell together onto the bed, smelling of horses, sweat, liquor and semen. Ennis held on, buried deep inside him, his arms cradling the shivering body of his hurt lover, rolling him gently onto his side, slipping out as their sweat cooled, and he kissed his neck, his quivering shoulders, turning his face gently and licking a trickle of sweat as it made its way down behind his ear, bending down to press his lips against Ellery’s dry lips.

“I love you so much,” he whispered against those lips.

“Thank you,” Ellery replied softly, and when Ennis looked into his face, he saw Ellery’s grey eyes were full of tears.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 11:05:58 am
Chapter 72:

“Maybe it was too soon for ya,” Ennis said.

“Or maybe twenty years too late. I can’t help Beagle learn how ta be queer. He needed ta learn that twenty years ago an he didn’t. An it is way too late fer me an him.”

Ennis looked down at his plate. “I hope... it ain’t too much of a struggle helpin me learn... how ta be queer darlin.”

“Oh Ennis...” Ellery’s eyes clouded once more, his face crumpling as tears came to his eyes. “No... it ain’t too much of a struggle. Come on now. That isn’t what I meant.”

“I know it’s hard for ya, with me actin like I hate queers an not wantin ya ta touch me an stuff.”

“You are comin along real good. Yesterday Wes even said so, you weren’t flinchin away when I touched you no more.”

“I wasn’t?” Ennis blinked. “I don’t remember.”

“See? Yer gettin used to it. Don’t compare yerself ta Beagle, there ain’t no comparison.”

“I don’t mean ta argue with ya, Ellery, but there is. I am just startin ta get used ta the idea a bein queer. I just came here three months ago ya know, never went to a queer bar or talked to nobody else who was queer till then.”

Ellery shook his head. “You didn’t drive off on me in 1965, Ennis. You ain’t him. You will never be him or anythin like him ta me.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 11:07:24 am
More from 72:

“I got a question for ya darlin,” Ennis said between bites.

“Whassat?”

“When you get all insecure an say that thing you say, I need my man inside me... like ya done a couple a times, do you like it fast an hard or slow an easy?”

Ellery’s face brightened as he blushed. “I’ll tell ya somethin about me, boy, almost every time I’m riled up you can go at me fast an hard an I’m gonna like it.”

“So... fast an hard, huh?”

“Pretty much.”

“Okay, well that’s good ta know I did the right thing then.”

“You got good instincts, Ennis.”

“Yeah, like grabbin ya when you was actin crazy on the patio. Jesus boy, you can act real crazy.”

“I’ll do better Ennis. This was a unique situation.”

“I know. Which is why I ain’t gonna spank ya this time over it.”

Ellery’s eyebrows shot up. “Well why not?”

“Cause you’d like it. You like spankin entirely too much, boy.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 11:08:04 am
And the end of 72...

“All right I’m gettin off the phone. If you are feelin too lowly in the mornin you call me at 7, you got that?”

“Yeah Wes. I know. Don’t Daddy me or I’ll get riled.”

“Shut up boy, I am all the Daddy you got right now. Let Ennis look after you.”

“Yeah, yeah.” He rolled his eyes, said goodbye, and set the phone down.

“Between you an Wes I am havin a whole lot a trouble bein irresponsible, Ennis.”

“That’s good. Now about this hard an fast thing... ya want ta give it another shot in there?”

Ellery grinned. “You got another one in ya?”

“Think so.” Ennis got up and stepped over to where Ellery was sitting. “Come on boy, let’s use up some more a that new Vaseline.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 11:11:16 am
from Chapter 73, one of my favorite Wes and Ellery conversations...

“Come inta my office, boy,” Wes said, and led the way into the crowded, untidy room. Ellery followed, glancing at his watch. “Don’t do that, you got plenty a time till that guy from Justice shows up.”

“Right.” Ellery closed the door and sank into one of Wes’s comfortable chairs, crossing his ankles on the edge of the desk.

“You talk ta Ennis about yer intentions?”

“In a very tender moment, yes.” Ellery sipped his coffee.

“You two have a lot a tender moments. I take it I was interruptin one last night.”

“No, not really, I was sleepin then.”

“Oh, I thought that was a euphemism.”

“No I was sleepin. If we was getting busy he wouldn’t a picked up the phone.”

“All right all right. He sounded a bit funny.”

“He answers the phone funny when he’s naked.”

“So how did it go?”

“He said he liked the idea.”

“Liked it or really liked it?”

“I think he’s scared out of his drawers, but I don’t think he’s goin nowhere.”

“This business about this boy bother em?”

“No, it bothered me. He just gets all jealous an possessive an then we argue an then we make up.”

Wes held up his hand. “Don’t tell me anythin I don’t need ta know, Ellery. So how did ya leave it with this guy?”

“I walked out on lunch an told em it’d be a bad idea if we talked again, an wished em good luck bein queer.”

Wes peered at him. “You were really hurt in other words. I never seen you back away scared from something.”

“I will never answer this question in a court a law, Wes, an if you ever repeat it I’ll deny it. I was seriously seekin my own life after that boy walked out on me. Fortunately I didn’t know fuck all about drugs an got the metabolism of a hummingbird or I would a succeeded.”

“Jesus Ellery, your granddad never told me about this.”

“My granddad don’t know nothing about this. It happened in an empty dorm room an I woke up two days later dehydrated an covered in puke, an thus ended my suicidal career.”

“Jesus I’m sorry. I didn’t mean ta be flip.”

“You wasn’t. I’ll get over it. It was a fuckin long time ago, Wes. I am happy, I got my man with me, an he is real cute when he’s jealous so we’ll be fine.”

“Well all right then, finish yer coffee, don’t drink in the office today an you come in here when that interview is over. I’m gonna be goin through it this afternoon.”

“You haven’t talked ta Ennis about knockin off afternoons have you?”

He shook his head. “No, I was waitin ta find out if you were serious about it or not.”

“I am, an tonight would be a good night, an I forgot all about it. Mind if I call em?”

“No, guess not. He’s just cleanin tack an doin his Ennis straightenin up stuff. Pretty soon he’ll be paintin the barn purple or something.”

“I’ll call em now.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 11:14:28 am
Chapter 74:

“Never sat much watchin tv cept on Saturday nights ya know. An when I was married...” he stopped dead, blushing. “Sorry.”

“I don’t mind you talkin about when you was married, Ennis, shit. Ain’t we been through enough together already?”

“Didn’t seem polite, after our discussion.”

“Oh, what discussion was that?” Ellery sat up, looking at him archly.

“Ya know, about... bein a real couple an all.”

“Oh you remember that do ya?”

“I remember every word. Just because it was after gettin fancy don’t mean I forgot.”

Ellery leaned close, nibbling on his collar. “We was fuckin Ennis, like wild animals.”

Ennis’s blush deepened. “Yeah.”

“You ashamed a that?”

“No... just... I dunno... talkin dirty seems easier when I’m hard.“

Ellery laughed out loud. “Do I got ta get ya hard for that?”

“You want me ta go into that bar a yers lookin crosseyed an sweaty ...”

“An smellin like spunk? Well no not really. Men can pick up on that fresh fucked look, an it drives em wild.”

“I’d rather not drive anybody wild tonight. Just you.” Ennis slid his hand around Ellery’s neck and drew him close, brushing his lips barely against his mouth. “An I want you when I get home, boy.”

“Good. Cause I am still feelin pretty upset about this shit with Beagle an I could go for my man any time.”

“Then let me get goin so I can get back.”

Ellery pressed his mouth againset Ennis’s, and slid his tongue between his lips, and Ennis’s embrace tightened, eyes closing. “Hmm yeah. Lots more a that.” He stood up, grinning. “You stay right there an don’t go nowhere. I’ll be back in a couple of hours.”

“You better.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 11:17:53 am
Another conversation from 74 that gets remembered later:

Lauren smiled. “Hey. That means I can get home early. Simon’ll be real happy.”

“That the name a yer man?”

He nodded happily, as if the name itself summoned his boyfriend.

“Been with em long?”

“Six months.”

“Lemme ask ya somethin. He ever... give ya a spank?”

Lauren blushed. “Ennis!”

“Ya don’t have ta tell me.”

“No! we don’t do that kinda stuff!”

“He don’t... tie you up or turn you over his knee or nothin?”

“No! Jesus Christ Ennis. Here I thought you was all uptight an everythin.”

“Just a question.”

“That is real far out stuff Ennis. Simon an me got a very normal relationship, just the usual stuff.”

“What, like suckin cock an fuckin, right?”

“Well, yeah.”

Ennis nodded, sipping on his beer. “Just learnin about all this stuff myself, don’t know too much about it is all.”

“Well you can’t learn it from me... I was a virgin before I met Simon, so I don’t know all about that weird stuff.”

“Okay okay. Maybe I ought ta ask Wayne.”

Lauren grinned. “Now Wayne... Wayne’s done it all.”

“I’ll just bet he has.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 11:20:40 am
I love Ellery when he strikes his little poses...from chapter 75:

Ellery put the bookmark in his book and set it down on the table, sitting up, and unfastening the velcro straps on his brace, standing up and setting it on the chair, turning and striking a pose.

“Well... see anythin ya like?”

Ennis nodded. “Yep. Now we doin this hard an fast or harder an faster?”

Ellery grinned. “Well I dunno. I guess it depends on how riled ya are, or how riled I can get ya.”

“You think this tyin up and spankin stuff is weird?”

“Well, it’s sort a soft bondage an discipline Ennis. It gets me off, an gets you off. Why, does it bother ya?”

“No. I was just wonderin.”

“If we both like it then it’s fine. But if you ever don’t want ta do it you just let me know. I thought ya handle that paddle like a ping pong champ though.”

“Yer ass is still red.”

“Yeah well, that’ll go away.”

“Then I’ll do it all again.” Ennis loosened the towel at his waist and let it drop, his cock already stiffening, and he climbed onto the bed on his knees. “Lie down here, face down, I wanna see.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 11:23:05 am
And more from 75:


“Oh sweetheart!” he exclaimed.

“Too much for ya?”

“God no... what’s got inta you?”

“Mr. Coyote wanted a nip,” Ennis said softly, his voice rasping with the edge of a growl as his finger worked its way inexorably back inside Ellery’s hole. “Ya want me inside ya now, ya need yer man?”

“Oh yeah... oh please...”

Ennis pulled out his finger and lubricated his cock rapidly, his breath now uneven. The reaction to the fingering and his bites had aroused him rapidly. He held his cock ready, and then leaned over, his face now right up against the side of Ellery’s face, and he pressed his mouth against his in a hard kiss. Ellery turned then, mouth seeking, and opened his mouth for Ennis’s probing tongue, their hot breaths mingling as their mutual lust peaked. Ennis slid his tongue out and moved back once more, his hands clenching over Ellery’s hips and lifting him up and back onto his knees, guiding his cock inside with one long, smooth thrust.

“Oh... Ennis...” Ellery moaned softly as Ennis thrust in. Ennis threw his head back, beads of sweat mingling with the water from his shower, cascading from the ends of his hair onto Ellery’s back as he thrust up, his hips slapping the tender flesh, two new dark pink crescents marking the lighter dusk of his right cheek, the sight arousing a harder, deeper thrust as Ennis’s lust took hold and drove him deep into that responsive ring of muscle that provoked the unstoppable desire for more....

“More, sweetheart, please...” Ennis gulped, pulling back and driving in, his insatiability was matched by the lust of the man writhing below him, begging him.... and he lost control by degrees this time, first deepening his thrusts, leaning down and arching his back, and then pounding faster, sweat now sliding down both sides of his neck, pooling briefly in his collarbone before the next thrust caused droplets to splash down on Ellery’s back, and then they were striving together violently, thinking of nothing but the feeling of one another, so familiar and yet new each time, no sensation entirely memorized with each reacquaintance of their bodies with one another... the gentle slap of Ellery’s balls as they swung back against his thigh, making Ellery suddenly buck with the intense sensation of the contact, and he came unexpectedly, arching up, eyes wide, and Ennis came moments later, caught in the fierce clench of his sphincter as it grasped at his shaft like a fist.

He was puffing out hard breaths as he slowed, pulled out, flopped down, and Ellery sank down into a small, warm pool of come, laughing softly.

“What’re you laughin at....” Ennis said, gasping still.

“Dang coyotes. Now we got ta change the bed again.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on January 26, 2007, 11:25:56 am
I think it is time to post a picture of Ennis and Ellery here. Here's one of E&E sharing a pizza.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/elleryennis.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 26, 2007, 01:55:16 pm
Thanks for posting the great pic - that is awesome!  I wonder what Ellery is sayiing!   :laugh:

Recently Louise answered some questions for the minutiae-obsessed and she said that E&E watch the Sunday Night Mystery Movie - always a favorite.   I have all  the "Columbo" episodes!  I wonder what Ennis thinks of Lt. Columbo?

From Chapter 74:

After a dinner of chili and biscuits, Ellery snuggled down next to Ennis on the sofa. “You ain’t gonna believe it, Ennis, but that interview weren’t a gnat’s sneeze.”

Ennis smoothed his hair back. “Glad it’s behind you. No intrusive questions about what I was doin at yer house or nothin durin the shootin?”

“Didn’t ask me nothin about the shootin, actually. Never mentioned yer name. Asked me about me an Worrell an when I met em an when I met his wife an so on an then five minutes later he took another a Joe’s muffins an that was that. I swear that guy learned his interrogation technique from Lieutenant Columbo.”

“Who?”

“Oh don’t tell me you never saw Columbo.”

“Never saw it, what is it some movie?”

“It was some mystery movie of the week thing, oh Ennis I can’t believe you never saw that.”


I like to picture E&E cuddling together and watching a good mystery!

Thanks for the quotes -

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on January 26, 2007, 04:53:47 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 26, 2007, 01:55:16 pm
Thanks for posting the great pic - that is awesome!  I wonder what Ellery is sayiing!   :laugh:


Ellery is probably saying:
Ellery: Ennis, do you hear that?
Ennis: What?
Ellery: Doorbell!

Or maybe: Did you change the sheets again?
 ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 26, 2007, 05:22:35 pm
Quote from: opinionista on January 26, 2007, 04:53:47 pm
Ellery is probably saying:
Ellery: Ennis, do you hear that?
Ennis: What?
Ellery: Doorbell!

Or maybe: Did you change the sheets again?
 ;D

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  Oh, God, that's hilarious - look at Ennis's face - he does look like he's straining to hear the bell!!!

But you could be right about the sheets - lots of talk about sheets lately!   Maybe Ellery heard David's suggestion:  "So, Ennis, what do ya think about that 'Scotchgard' idea? "  ;D

Thanks!

Marie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 26, 2007, 10:59:13 pm
hahaha! after an impossibly hard day I had a total howl reading these comments!

"Doorbell" hahahahah.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on January 27, 2007, 02:03:33 am
Hi all,

I posted the following appreciation of Ennis in another place in response to yet another post putting Ennis down as a no hoper with no future. Louise suggested I re-post it here and here it is.

Ennis has a deep reticence and shyness that hides something precious: a loving heart, steadfast loyalty and a capacity for deep devotion. Once someone to sees this hidden beauty, as Jack did, they can never break away from him. Once you have aroused this man’s deep sexual passion, he can never break away from you.

This is a man made to love and receive love in return. He is in desperate need of love and withers without it. He has learnt bitter lessons from a terrible loss; his hard inner shell has been cracked open and his emotions are much nearer the surface now. He cries easily. He has paid a dreadful penalty for past mistakes and the pain he knows he has inflicted. He will not, cannot inflict that hurt on a person he loves again. He is filled with remorse and guilt.

You would need to woo this man and take bold action to capture him. Once captured you would need to nurse him through the miseries of guilt and aching loss and know you will never take the place of a man he will always love. But this is a man made to love and receive love in return. Ennis is a hidden treasure waiting to be found. He is well worth it.



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2007, 11:52:54 am
Thanks for that, Jo. Insightful comment, as always.

Re-readers...chapters 76 to 80 today. More rough going, sigh.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/70341.html

“Pickin up my bartender an fuckin em! Not in my bar he ain’t. Not on my payroll he ain’t.” To Ennis’s shocked surprise, he got out of bed and began to dress in a frantic hurry.

“They are both goin, an now.”

“Ellery that ain’t a good idea.”

“Oh it’s a fuckin good idea. It’s my fuckin bar an Bruce fuckin queer Eagleton ain’t fuckin my bartender in my fuckin apartment over my fuckin queer bar this night or any night an this’ll be the last night he spends in Laramie in a good long while...!” he raged, kicking one of his shoes and chasing it until he jammed it on his foot without socks.

“Ellery no... you ain’t goin nowhere. Just pretend he didn’t call an you don’t know nothin about it. You ain’t thinkin straight, I know that much.” Ennis got out of bed and stepped toward him, and Ellery held up a warning hand.

“Don’t you try ta stop me. This is between me an him.”

“Don’t you know why he called you Ellery? Have you lost yer brain? He did it ta rile ya up!”

“Well he succeeded real well. Cause I am fuckin riled.”

“You ain’t goin anywhere, if that means I got ta sit on you, yer stayin right here, Ellery.”

“Ennis, don’t cross me on this.”

“I’m sorry Ellery, but this is just fucked up, an I can’t believe you are actin this way without havin a fifth a scotch in you.” Ennis moved rapidly, catching Ellery’s arms, and he immediately began to struggle.

“Let me go goddammit!” he growled, writhing.

“Ya know if we hadn’t just done it I’d be gettin hard from this, boy,” Ennis said, trying to cajole him down.

“You ain’t helpin. Let me go. He is gettin out a this town at gunpoint.”

“Oh no, that ain’t gonna happen boy, you just settle.” Ennis maneuvered him back to the bed and sat, winding his long legs around his ankles and imprisoning him on his lap, and it suddenly occurred to him he had done this very recently... with Pete, only this time he was naked and Ellery was dressed, and the writhing of his body in the denims was abrading his thighs.

“Ennis... yer standin in the way a justice here,” Ellery said, his voice tight with restrained fury. “You just let me go... I ain’t been drinkin.... I can set someone off my property, I got the right.”

“Not if yer goin off half cocked, an since I love you an care about you I ain’t lettin you go nowhere like this because yer fuckin nuts right now.”

“Ennis you don’t understand.”

“Oh... yes I do. I’m the one who’s possessive an jealous remember. I understand real fuckin good. An if you want ta keep squirmin like this I’m gonna call Wes up an have em come down an give you a talkin to.”

“You wouldn’t dare.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2007, 11:55:09 am
More from Chapter 76:

“Ennis...” Ellery said, the word a broken cry.

“I’m here darlin, shhh it’s okay,” he whispered.

“Don’t let me go...” he wept, his head turning as a sob broke from his throat.

“I won’t... let me take this off now....” Ennis eased the now shivering body back down onto the bed and began to unbutton his shirt, Ellery now offering no resistance. Ennis undressed him slowly, his own heart thudding in his chest as his thought over the night of watching Rudy and Ellery’s former lover engaged in the slow dance of seduction at the bar, their furtive exit to Rudy’s apartment. He could have stopped them.... he should have stopped them.

He unzipped his denims and slid them down his thighs, and rolled him over, rubbing his hands up the narrow spine, and felt as much as heard the sobs turning to soft sighs. “You just relax now, I’m gonna take care a ya.”

He picked up the massage oil and warmed a small pool of it in his hands, working them up his back to the tense, rigid shoulders, leaning down and whispering softly. “It’s gonna be all right, darlin.... I won’t let ya go.” He straddled his hips, all sensuality, all lust that had passed between them now distilled into an act of pure tenderness as his fingers pressed down into the rigid muscles of Ellery’s overwrought body.

They fell silent, the only sound the soft slip of Ennis’s hands, and Ellery’s sighing breaths as he unwound. He’s in shock, Ennis thought. He probably don’t even know what’s goin on right now, what he said. He reached over a little at a time, and flicked the phone cord out of the telephone, just in case Beagle had an idea about calling back. He wasn’t sure if he could calm him again, if that happened, and he had to make sure that it didn’t happen before they talked it through. Ennis felt his own anxiety grow as Ellery calmed down, because beyond the immediate need to restrain him from violence, he would awaken, and then they would have to deal with the aftermath of what had happened tonight. He rubbed Ellery’s back for a long time, working down to his upper thighs and out to his arms, finally moving him onto his back and settling down next to him, and he saw his lashes flutter and his eyes open, cloudy with recent tears.

“Ennis,” he whispered.

“Yeah.”

“There’s somethin wrong with me.”

“Yeah.”

“Don’t let me near that boy, Ennis. I might do somethin real foolish.”

“I understand. I think you better stay home tomorrow. I’ll stay with ya.”

Ellery nodded, closing his eyes. “Don’t leave me.”

“I won’t.” He put his arm around the flare of his shoulders. “I’m here darlin.”

“Thank you, Ennis.” When Ellery’s eyes closed, fresh tears dripped onto his pillow.

Ennis lay awake for a long time, watching Ellery's face as he slept, before he too, fell asleep.

L


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2007, 12:02:00 pm
Chapter 77, some folks found this part controversial while others of us just found it...hot...

Ennis nodded, finding that holding the buttplug was another new, erotic experience. He lubed it as Ellery watched, glancing at him until he saw him nod, then positioned himself once more behind him, sliding the tapered end in, holding his breath slightly as the plug wedged his sphincter open. Ellery shuddered and moaned softly beneath him.

“This okay?” he asked.

“Yeah, feels good,” he responded, voice soft.

Ennis continued to push the plug in, his body tensing up as the wide base forced him open, and then clenched over the indentation that held the plug inside him.

“What if ya… you know, got ta go?” he asked.

“Then I bend over an you pull it out, but I won’t need ta go.” Ellery rolled over onto his side, Ennis watching the end of the plug as he moved.

“No?”

"I wanted ya ta do this last night but we got carried away. I know you think I’ve gone nuts or something, Ennis, I just need… I just need my man. I’ll be okay.”

“This…” he gestured toward the plug. “This helps ya get over bein jealous?”

“Reminds me a who was just givin me the ride a my life.”

“Okay.”

Ellery raised a hand and brushed his fingers against Ennis’s cheek. “That’d be you. I only love you, Ennis. An the only man whose cock I want in me, is yers.”

“Good thing, cause I’m real possessive.”

“An the man who put that plug in my ass is the one who gets ta fuck me tonight too.”

Ennis smiled. “I understand. I think.”



L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2007, 12:10:40 pm
Chapter 78:

Ennis waded in to his thighs, avoiding wetting his cutoffs, and splashed a little water up his arms. “Nice an relaxin. How are you feelin now? Still thinking about that boy?”

Ellery made a face, moving closer to where Ennis was standing. “A bit. I guess I ought ta be grateful he didn’t give me the blow by blow a stickin it in an comin an all.”

“He lost out when he left you all that long ago. Yer mine now.”

Ellery smiled. “I like bein yers, ya know that?”

“That makes two of us. C’mere.” Ellery walked slowly through the water, careful not to splash Ennis, and Ennis slipped an arm around him. “All alone, just the two of us.” He slid a hand down the back of Ellery’s tank top and into the waistband of his cutoffs, and Ellery went still, his big hand sliding down until it touched the base of the plug wedged inside him, and he pressed lightly against it. Ellery uttered a small moan. “Ya know I keep thinkin about this thing.” He pressed against it again and Ellery leaned into him, his crotch grinding against his hip, moaning again.

“Yeah,” his voice dropped, and he sighed. “Me too. That’s what it’s for.”

Ennis looked around them into the quiet surround of the riverbank, and then pulled Ellery against him, kissing him suddenly and roughly, his right hand still pressed against the plug, embracing him tightly.

Ellery’s heart was racing as they kissed, standing in the warm current of the river, more delighted than aroused, aching from their vigorous lovemaking and the lovebites on his ass. Ennis let him go, suddenly self conscious, sliding his hand out of his cutoffs, and they stood together, looking at each other, panting slightly. “Don’t seem to be an end to wantin you, boy,” Ennis said, his voice soft, rasping, as it did when he was overcome with lust.

“No, seems like just touchin gets us riled.”

“I just feel like lyin down with you on the riverbank an just kissin an makin out till the sun sets.”

Ellery smiled. “Maybe we can do a little kissin an makin out an a little eatin. Which reminds me we ain’t had no breakfast.”

“Oh yeah. We can do that. Let’s eat then.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2007, 12:12:26 pm
Chapter 78, continued:

“Look, Ellery, I am gonna tell you somethin an I want you ta think about it. Now you listen.”

“What?”

“Last time I saw Jack alive he said he wanted ta go down ta Mexico, an it got me thinking… oh he wants ta go ta Mexico, he’s probably been down there, lookin fer boys. Maybe he only got as far as Austin…” he stopped, rubbing his eyes with his fingers, and then forged on. “But I’ll tell you what, I saw red just then. An I was mad, because I knew while I was muckin out heifers he was down in Mexico getting his cock sucked by some boy. Maybe he was thinking a me an maybe he wasn’t, but it made me see red all the same because it wasn’t me. Now you tell me it didn’t make you mad thinkin about Beagle leavin you all that long time ago, leavin you alone, an then he merrily pops up an sees Rudy in the bar an drags him off ta fuck just ta make a point?”

“I think you know I was mad, Ennis. It doesn’t mean I want ta fuck em.”

“No but there was a time ya did. I ain’t putting you on the spot. There was a time ya did, an you can’t ever get that time back, an you don’t want him rubbin yer nose in it that he is poking somebody an it ain’t you.”

“Fuck Ennis when did you become a queer psychologist?”

Ennis smiled faintly. “You told me something like this not too long ago. Maybe you just don’t recall.”

“Yeah I was mad, an yeah I sure as hell did not want him tellin me about his new queer life. And I sure as shit did not want ta know it was Rudy in the apartment over my bar where he was fuckin em. That is way too much information for me.”

“Okay darlin, okay. But thing of it is… are you gonna get over it?”

“Maybe.” Ellery took a swig of his beer. “Probably.”

Ennis opened another beer. “A little more beer, a piece a cake… a little more nuzzlin an kissin…”

“Sounds great.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2007, 12:16:05 pm
Chapter 79, a shared vow, for the first time:

“Oh darlin,” he sighed happily, and Ellery let his knees down gradually, forcing Ennis out, shivering with the aftershocks of pleasure.

“Was I right?” Ellery asked, his voice a whisper.

“Yeah. But that was over too quick.... damn, boy.” He rolled over and settled onto the pillow next to Ellery, fingers pushing back the loose strands of black hair.

“There’s always next time,” Ellery replied, winking.

“We got ta try that plug thing again,” Ennis said.

“Yeah.”

“That make you feel better?”

“Sure did.”

“You still pissed about that boy?”

“Not so much. Fuck em, he ain’t my problem no more.”

“Damn right,” Ennis nodded.

“We need a drink.”

“An a smoke. You stay there.”

Ennis padded out to the front room, returning with the cigars and the bottle of Glenfiddich and a single glass.

“One glass?”

“We’re celebratin,” Ennis said.

“What are we celebratin?”

“You an me, boy. Ennis an Ellery.” He lighted the cigar, puffed on it, and leaned over, offering it to Ellery, who took it between his lips. Then he poured a shot of scotch and lifted it. “To us. You belongin ta me, an me belongin ta you.” He took a sip, and handed it to Ellery, who took a sip from it as he handed the cigar back.

“To me belongin ta you, an you belongin ta me,” he repeated, gulping down the fiery liquid, handing the cigar back to Ennis, who took a puff on it.

“Can’t drink too much, got ta go down to the bar an act like Rudy’s boss.”

“You got ta promise me somethin, Ennis.”

“Whassat?”

“You’ll tell me everythin you say when you get home. I want ta hear it all.”

Ennis laughed. “Sure enough.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2007, 12:16:56 pm
Chapter 79, continued:

Ennis leaned over the bed and touched his cheek softly. “I never would a thought last night we would have such a beautiful day together. Let’s have another one.”

“Okay.”

“I love you Ellery.”

“Thank you. I love you too.”

“Be back soon as I can.”

Ellery’s eyes filled with tears as he heard the door close, and he sat quietly, the tears slipping down his face as he thought about the day, and the fierce emotions he felt when he had woken up. They had fled in the gentle hours of the afternoon, leaving behind a wistful sense of mourning, and a feeling of gratitude that he was no longer alone, and no longer grieving for a love that he never really had.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 27, 2007, 12:18:10 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on January 27, 2007, 02:03:33 am
Hi all,

I posted the following appreciation of Ennis in another place in response to yet another post putting Ennis down as a no hoper with no future. Louise suggested I re-post it here and here it is.

Ennis has a deep reticence and shyness that hides something precious: a loving heart, steadfast loyalty and a capacity for deep devotion. Once someone to sees this hidden beauty, as Jack did, they can never break away from him. Once you have aroused this man’s deep sexual passion, he can never break away from you.

This is a man made to love and receive love in return. He is in desperate need of love and withers without it. He has learnt bitter lessons from a terrible loss; his hard inner shell has been cracked open and his emotions are much nearer the surface now. He cries easily. He has paid a dreadful penalty for past mistakes and the pain he knows he has inflicted. He will not, cannot inflict that hurt on a person he loves again. He is filled with remorse and guilt.

You would need to woo this man and take bold action to capture him. Once captured you would need to nurse him through the miseries of guilt and aching loss and know you will never take the place of a man he will always love. But this is a man made to love and receive love in return. Ennis is a hidden treasure waiting to be found. He is well worth it.



Wow, Jo ...... those have to be the most beautifully astute observations of Ennis that I have ever read! May I print them out to place in my copy of the book? Thank you so very much for sharing.  And thank you, Louise, for suggesting it.

Marie

Okay - on to the re-read!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2007, 12:25:30 pm
Chapter 80:

Ennis stepped out of the bar, tilted his hat back, and made his way straight down the alley toward the man, who was leaning against a utility pole, facing half toward him. “Well,” he said, slowing to a stop. “If it ain’t Mr. Mai Tai.” Dupree was two paces behind him, and stopped approaching as Ennis spoke.

“Evenin,” he replied with a faint smile.

“Mind if I ask what yer doin standin around outside the bar this time a night?” Ennis said, voice wary.

“Waitin for somebody.”

“Anybody in particular?”

“Just... somebody.”

“You wouldn’t be waitin fer Ellery Cantrell would ya?”

The man’s head came up rapidly. “You know Ellery?”

“I do.” Ennis jerked a thumb in the direction of the bar. “That bar back there belongs ta him.”

The man straightened up from leaning against the pole. “No shit.”

“An I take it yer this Bruce Eagleton guy.”

“Yeah I am.”

“Ellery told ya last night on the phone not ta call em anymore, an tonight I’m tellin ya not ta come in his bar anymore.”

“Why not?”

“You should know by now why not boy. So why don’t you go back home ta Jackson an find somethin better ta do, cause you ain’t wanted here.”

“You can’t kick me out a here,” he said, taking a step toward Ennis.

“Sure I can. I’m the bouncer here. An up to the end a this block is private property. So git.”

“I haven’t done anythin ta be kicked out.”

“That’s where yer wrong. An don’t ya be comin around here or callin, cause you ain’t welcome.”

“I don’t know who you are, mister...”

“My name,” Ennis said, gritting his teeth, “is Ennis Del Mar. An I am Ellery’s man, an I’m sayin leave em alone an stay out a his bar. Now I’m goin inside, an when Dupree here pokes his head out you better be gone, boy.” Then he turned, and walked deliberately back to the bar, and Dupree retreated inside the door. Ennis glanced over his shoulder as he stepped back in, and Bruce Eagleton, Jr. was still standing by the utility pole, staring after him.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2007, 12:26:32 pm
And just to remind us when Ennis and Wayne could have a civil conversation...chapter 80:

Just then, Wayne got up from his table and made his way toward Ennis. “Hey there, Ennis, Lauren said you wanted ta talk ta me about some stuff.”

Ennis shook his head. “No Wayne, I don’t ever want ta talk ta you about stuff.”

He looked disappointed. “Aww, but he said you was askin about spankin an bondage an stuff.”

“He did, huh?” Ennis rolled his eyes.

“Well did ya want ta know about it or not?”

Ennis shook his head. “I’m having a private conversation, Wayne, why don’t you go comb yer hair?”

Dupree chuckled. “Or Ennis might want ta give ya a spank.”

“Huh,” Wayne put a hand on his hip. “Maybe I might like it.”

“Oh yeah?” Ennis stood up suddenly and took a step toward him, and Wayne backed away rapidly.

“No way, I already felt yer hand, Ennis, you stay away.”

Ennis sat down, and Lauren brought Dupree’s beer. “Glad we got that straightened out, Wayne.”



L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 27, 2007, 01:09:24 pm
Mornin' everyone! 

Thank you, as always, Leslie - you've been very busy this morning with these great quotes.  I was about to say that these were some of my favorite chapters . . . and then I realized I say that about all the chapters!  LOL!

There certainly was some rough going in these chapters - as I re-read I thought - "Thank God Ellery has Ennis now," - it scares me to think of what Ellery would have done if Ennis hadn't been there to stop him! 

I like this part from the beginning of Chapter 77 - can't get too many Wes/Ellery conversations:

“What’s a matter with you, boy?” Wes grumbled. “Ennis called me an he is worried sick.”

“Nothin, just got woke up a few hours ago by that crazy Eagleton telling me he fucked my bartender an I should be proud.”

“He what? He escape from the nuthouse or something?” Wes’s voice rose.

“Not in so many words. Ennis was at the bar an Rudy left two hours before closing with somebody, an after he gets home I get a call sayin Bruce had found a queer bar an picked up a guy an … we put two an two together.”

“Yeah an are you gonna get over this or do I have ta come over there an screw yer head back on?”

“Ennis might be right. Maybe I need ta stay home. I didn’t drink but I am sure hung over.”

“Then get outta town. Have em drive you up ta Fort Laramie or something an take a walk, blow off some steam. Have a tender moment. The ranch can wait, an nobody is due in court.”

“Thanks, Wes. If that… Eagleton calls…”

“If Eagleton calls I’m gonna read em the riot act an tell him his contact with you an this department should be limited to Wyomin vs. Steele an his primary point a contact is the District Attorney, not the Sheriff.”

“Right. Thanks Wes. I can’t… talk to em. I can’t.”

“You look after yerself, gimme a call tonight

Thank God for Ennis - and for Wes!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 27, 2007, 01:15:06 pm
Some comic relief from Chapter 77 - and an example of why Louise is the Queen of Dialogue (among other things!) :


“Oh yeah?” Ellery got up. “I got ta pee. No I ain’t takin any Percodans, an I wish you’d stop countin em. I told ya I would tell ya if I get in pain an I’m gonna.”

“Huh,” Ennis said getting up and padding after him, and put his hand out to block the open door of the bathroom as Ellery went in and tried to close it.

“What the fuck are you doin, Ennis?” Ellery said, standing in front of the toilet.

“Watchin you.”

“An why?”

“Cause Wes told me to. An you told me to.”

“I did not.”

“Yeah ya did. You said don’t let me do anything stupid.”

“What am I gonna do stupid in the bathroom? Flush my cock down the toilet?”

“Nothin, cause I’m here watchin ya.”

“Jesus Christ Ennis,” Ellery finished urinating and shook off. “Mind if I brush my teeth now Momma?”

“Not at all. Yer kisses’ll taste sweeter after.”

Love it!  :laugh:

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 27, 2007, 02:02:22 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 27, 2007, 12:18:10 pm

Wow, Jo ...... those have to be the most beautifully astute observations of Ennis that I have ever read! May I print them out to place in my copy of the book? Thank you so very much for sharing.  And thank you, Louise, for suggesting it.

Marie


You're right Marie, that really is something to be treasured. Thank you Jo!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 28, 2007, 09:38:27 am
Good morning, re-readers...today, chapters 81-85.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/71633.html

Ellery turned his head. “What’re ya waitin for Ennis?”

“Ellery...” he rasped, molten eyes shining with emotion.

“What... is everythin okay?” Ellery’s heart skipped a beat as he saw the expression on his face.

“I love you, boy,” Ennis said, pressing forward, and entered him in a long, smooth thrust.

“Oh god....” Ellery gasped, fingers digging into the pillow as Ennis penetrated him, the ache left by their previous lovemaking giving an edge of erotic pain to each thrust. Ennis closed his eyes as he pulled back, throat full with the as yet unexpressed emotion following his declaration, and he found himself thinking with each thrust, with each stroke of his hand over the head of Ellery’s cock as he pleasured him, this is love....

“Darlin.... gonna come...” he choked out, arching his back, digging in with his fingers, and gripping the base of Ellery’s cock to trigger his orgasm, and thrust hard with his hips, crying out with relief and joy.

“Ennis... goddamn...” Ellery groaned, spasming into his clenching hand, and he came, the fierce clenching of his tender sphincter, causing Ennis to buck and thrust deep once more as he ejaculated.

Ennis slipped his arms around Ellery’s waist, bending down, kissing the slick surface of his spine, licking the salty sheen, teeth scraping the smooth flesh, then pressed his cheek against his shoulder and pulled him down onto his side, spooning him, cock still deeply embedded in his quivering bowels. “Oh darlin, darlin...” he moaned softly, holding him tight, squeezing his eyes shut as they filled with sudden, unexpected tears.

“It’s okay, Ennis, it’s okay sweetheart...” Ellery whispered. “Just hold me, it’s okay.”

“I’m sorry, darlin...”

Ellery turned his head. “What’re you sorry for?”

“For all yer hurts. Sorry that asshole called you an upset you.”

“Aw... thank you, sweetheart.”

“You don’t deserve that.”

“No, didn’t think so.”

Ennis released his hard embrace and lay on his back, and Ellery turned to him, resting his head on his bent arm. “You cryin fer me?”

Ennis nodded.

“Ya know, that is the nicest thing anybody has ever done.” He reached out a finger and brushed Ennis’s tear from his cheek. “Thank you.”

Ennis smiled crookedly. “Yer welcome.”


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 28, 2007, 09:43:19 am
Chapter 82:

“Eagleton,” he sighed.

“Listen, Cantrell...” and Ellery held up a hand.

“This had better be about Wyomin vs. Steele or we ain’t havin this conversation.”

“I think there are some things we should discuss...”

“About the case? Then let’s step into my boss’s office an he can discuss em with you an refer you to the D.A. You know our wonderful and multi-talented District Attorney, Mel Ruskin I suppose...”

Eagleton wrung his hands. “You know damn well it isn’t about that. Listen to me, Cantrell... I know you care about Bruce –“

“No, you are wrong there. You are dead wrong about that. Now since you didn’t come down here on Sheriff’s Department business I am gonna have ta ask ya ta leave.”

“Then can I call you an talk on the phone later?”

“I don’t think we got anythin ta talk about. I did what you asked, an that is that.”

“But... I think.... Cantrell -- Bruce is a very depressed young man.”

“Bruce is not a very young man, an the sooner you realize it the more he’ll get over bein a spoiled brat makin you live his life for em. An none a this has fuckall to do with my job an I got ta ask you ta go or I am gonna step in my office an slam the door in yer face.”

Eagleton finally got angry. “We need to talk about this further. I’ll give you a call later when you are a bit more reasonable...” he muttered, and Carol buzzed him out through the security door.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 28, 2007, 09:49:29 am
Chapter 83:

“No, guess not.” She took a large sheaf of paper out of a folder and hurried out the door, and Ellery grinned when he saw the sway in her hips. Now that was way too obvious, he thought.

He fell to thinking in the quiet room. He had originally thought to take the summer school, to talk Beagle into staying with him, finding an apartment. He had money… that wasn’t an object, and Grandpa would hardly have objected if he told him he wanted to get ahead in his studies through the summer. He had even put in a registration card…

He sighed, rubbing his eyes. It isn’t summer a sixty-five Ellery, get yer head outta yer ass. The summer school intern returned, brandishing a set of fresh warm copies. “Here’s the dorm assignment list, hope you can read it, we’re changin over the…”

“Computer systems, yes I heard. Thank you. Do you have his registration of his courses, an the professor names?”

“Yeah, I copied that for ya.”

“Thank you kindly, very efficient of you.”

“Laura. Laura Bradley,” she said breathily.

He winked at her. “I’ll be sure ta put in a good word.”

“Thank you. Oh Mr. Cantrell…” she said as he stepped toward the door with the registration.

“Hm?”

“You be sure ta come back soon.”

“Sure enough,” he said politely, and made sure to close the door behind him. Women like that ought ta be caged, he said to himself as he made his way back to the relative safety of the Registrar’s office.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 28, 2007, 09:58:48 am
from chapter 84: enter the mysterious Brad Sevigny


“Dr. Thompson?” Ellery asked.

“That’s me.”

“Sheriff’s office,” Ellery said, and brought out his badge once more. Unlike the women in the registrar’s office, he took the badge in his hand and scrutinized the identification and photo.

“You should get a new photo, you look like Paul McCartney in that one,” he commented. “How can I help you Chief Deputy?” he said, and Ellery smiled a bit more widely when he got the title correct.

“Thank you for the compliment, I think. I am sorry ta tell you that one of yer students was killed durin the night.”

Thompson nodded. “Word spread like wildfire. Summer school has only got about four hundred students.”

“Mind if I ask you about Wilkes? We have very little ta go on an no witnesses ta the crime that I have found so far.”

“Ya might try his roommate, Brad … what did he say his name was… Sevigny, I think…. He is in the registrations for the summer literature session I think Will said.”

“I am a little surprised, Dr. Thompson. You knowin his roommate.”

“Shouldn’t be. In this kind of a course the students work a lot of hours in the computer room an their rides, wives, husbands, roommates, often stop by an wait for em. His roommate had the car an usually picked em up from there when I closed the lab.”

Ellery looked at the dorm assignments. “I don’t see no Sevigny listed as his roommate. I don’t see no Sevigny or S name in his building.”

“Might a got it changed.” Thompson dropped his voice. “This’ll come out no matter what but sometimes… the students change their rooms without notifyin anyone, especially if they make friends far away from their own dorm. I teach summer school every year.”

“So yer telling me this dorm assignment sheet is probably good fer nothing.”

“You could try Sevigny’s original assigned room, if there was trouble he might have moved back in.”

Ellery sighed. “Back to the summer school office.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 28, 2007, 09:59:25 am
Chapter 85:

“I am urgin you to reconsider, Cantrell. You are a mature adult…”

“An up until you started buggin me on this matter I thought you were, so start actin like one. Please do not call me again Eagleton, or I will ask the Sheriff and the D.A. ta intervene on my behalf.”

“I guess yer leavin me no choice then,” he replied, now gruff.

“That is the idea, Counselor. Now I have had a bitch of a day an I am hungry an I would like ta have my dinner. Please don’t call me again.”

“Good bye, then, Mr. Cantrell. Thank you for tryin.”

“You are very little welcome,” Ellery said, banging down the phone. “Goddammitall, Ennis…," he said, stalking to the kitchen. “Goddammitalltahell.”

“What now?” Ennis looked up from spooning out bowls of chili, alarmed by his anger.

“It is things like this that truly tempt me ta quit my job an take up playin the accordion.”

“Take up what?”

“Just an expression,” he sighed, sitting down.

“You’d look real cute in those shorts playin the accordion,” Ennis said, sitting down and opening a bottle of beer for him. “Specially if I can sit over here an see all the way ta France.”

Ellery smiled wanly, accepted the beer, and took a long pull on it. “Maybe I will then.”

They ate with little more small talk, and Ellery, rather than rising from the table when he finished his chili, moved his knees slightly apart and gave Ennis a challenging look. “Well boy, I got a feelin if I got up right now I might get assaulted over at the sink. Maybe we could just cut out that pretendin ta wash dishes part an get right to it.”

“That sounds about right," Ennis said, setting down his beer.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 29, 2007, 07:46:51 am
Good morning, re-readers...chapters 86-90 today. We are almost at the end of the book!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/72900.html

In chapter 86, the famous butter scene!

“So what’s it gonna be, boy,” Ellery said, his smoky eyes issuing a challenge as he rose to his feet. “Cock ring? Blindfold? Tyin me up?”

Ennis also stood, unbuckling his belt suddenly. “Oh I got an idea all right. Just gonna butter ya right up an have ya right here fer dessert.”

Ellery looked down at the dishes scattered across the table. “Right here? The way you go you’ll break the table.”

“Got a better idea.” Ennis took a step toward him and in a few quick motions had Ellery’s cutoffs unzipped and on the floor, and grabbed his arm with one hand as he unzipped and pushed his own denims off his hips, his cock, already hard, bouncing free, then pushed Ellery down so that he was bent over the end of the countertop, shaking his cutoffs off his feet and spreading his thighs, Ennis holding him down one-armed as he reached for the butter and swiped a gob of it onto his fingers.

“Jesus you are gonna butter me up..!” Ellery exclaimed, disbelieving, the sudden sexual moves arousing him immediately, and he watched as Ennis dabbed butter into his crack, sliding his finger in to lubricate him thoroughly.

“Yep. Need ya boy,” he said, leaning down, licking at the rapidly-melting butter as it slid between Ellery’s cheeks and down over his balls, then gripped on with his teeth in a clear, pale area of flesh on his left cheek, making a loud growling noise, nipping and then letting go.

“Oh fuck, Ennis!” Ellery choked out, his head coming up sharply and barely clearing the cabinet above.

“Easy boy, here I come,” he said softly, and rubbed his slick hand over his cock, sliding it up into his sphincter, penetrating him steadily as he leaned down, keeping Ellery’s upper body flat on the countertop, until he was completely inside him.

“That feel good?” he asked, sliding a slick hand around and grasping Ellery’s erection, sliding his hand over it and beginning to stroke.

“Oh sweetheart...” Ellery moaned. “Don’t talk... just fuck me...”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 29, 2007, 07:48:39 am
More from 86:

“That was only the beginnin,” Ennis commented, taking the cloths from his hand.

“Oh, what now?”

“Now we got ta do some cuddlin an kissin in the proper settin.”

“Ah... no argument there.”

Ennis took his hand, and led him to the bedroom, where Ellery noted he had once again changed the bed with fresh new percale, neatly folded down. Ellery climbed into the bed first, and Ennis followed, lying on his side, his hand wandering down Ellery’s body lazily.

“I love ta touch you, darlin,” he said softly, looking at him with a molten gaze.

“About as much as I love ta touch you,” Ellery responded. “Listen I got a question for ya. The other night when you poured that drink an said me belongin ta you an you belongin ta me, was that some sort a ceremony?”

Ennis nodded, blushing, busying himself with brushing Ellery’s hair back from his forehead.

“You just make that up on the spot?”

He smiled and nodded again. “Yep.”

“This mean... your stayin with me... permanent?”

“Sure does.”

Ellery’s face transformed into a soft smile. “That is real good. Then I guess that was sort of like... gettin engaged.”

“Yep.” Ennis was acting shy, embarrassed, and it seemed completely out of character for the man who had just slammed him down on the counter, wiped butter on his ass and fucked him silly. Ellery reached up with his own hand and brushed his fingers against the sweaty frame of curls on his forehead, and Ennis raised his eyes, looking at him directly.

“Why you actin shy?”

“Sometimes I’m like that... after.”

“You mean after we fuck like animals an you leave teethmarks in my ass?”

Ennis smiled tightly. “Yeah.”

“I like you shy,” Ellery said, tilting his head, smoothing out a large curl that had settled over Ennis’s forehead. “But I like Mr. Coyote too. I hope you don’t get sick a gettin riled up the way you do... today thinkin about rilin you up is about the only thing that got me ta Elk Mountain an back in one piece.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 29, 2007, 07:51:26 am
86 is a chapter that is full of stuff!

“Maybe it’s for the best. Maybe he can’t handle bein grown up an queer,” Ellery said. “Anyhow, I don’t want ta talk about this. I want ta talk about us. I want ta talk about this commitment thing.”

“Okay,” Ennis said, letting his shoulder drop and leaning into his pillow.

“What about if we got rings for each other?”

“Rings...”

“You know, engagement rings.”

“Won’t people think we got.. you know, a fiancee or somethin?”

“Yeah.”

“Only... we’re men.”

“It won’t say so on the ring. We don’t have to, it’s only an idea.”

“Lemme think about it, okay?” Ennis said, his hand dipping back down and brushing across Ellery’s pale chest.

and at the end of the chapter...

With his simple declaration, Ennis had given Ellery a hope, that this hunger, lurking inside him for so long, unsatisfied, would be fulfilled, and that he could look forward to a relationship that nourished, rather than drained him. As they fell together, spent, onto the bed, Ellery felt the beginnings of that hope, and the end of a life of frustrated longing.

L

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 29, 2007, 08:02:31 am
Chapter 89:

“You train what... horses?” Simon asked, letting Lauren up so he could serve a new customer settling down at a table nearby.

“Yep, sure do.”

“An he is the best at it too,” Ellery chimed in, beaming.

“I’d like ta get a place where I could have a horse. I need a big one though. I ain’t no lightweight,” Simon said. “Might do Lauren good, boy works too hard.”

“That’s why I gave em a raise an cut down his hours a bit,” Ellery said.

“Yeah so he said. Mind if we get goin? My favorite steak house is only open till 11.”

“No go ahead,” Ellery said. “I know how ta serve drinks.”

Lauren returned, and Simon rose. “Boss says we can go, lover,” he said, throwing an arm around him as soon as he got in range, and Lauren made a soft squealing sound. Ennis looked down into his beer, blushing.

“Let’s go then. Thanks for everything, Ellery! See ya soon! Ennis, Jeremy...” he waved, and Simon swept him out the door.

“Ellery, “ Ennis said softly.

“Hm?” Ellery leaned back with his drink, sipping on it as he watched Simon and Lauren go out the door.

“Don’t ever do that kinda thing with me when people are watchin.”

“Oh you’d love it, Ennis.”

“Shut up, Dupree.”

Ellery laughed. “Yer temptin me, boy.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 29, 2007, 08:05:14 am
Chapter 90:

Dupree came in as Wes was retreating to his office, and Joe Tooey behind him, brandishing a large square envelope. “Dupree, get in here,” Ellery said, and Joe sang out,

“Found yer wedding invite, Ellery. Sally didn’t know what ta put on it, “and guest” or “and partner” or whatever so I said I’d deliver it personally.”

“ ’And Ennis’ would a been most appropriate,” Ellery smiled, accepting the envelope as Dupree unfolded in the chair across from his desk.

“So he ain’t... yer cousin?” Joe said, all innocence.

“For the purposes a yer folks an anybody who don’t need ta know, yes he is, Joe,” Ellery said, giving him a warning look.

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 29, 2007, 08:08:46 am
Good Morning, All! 

Shoot - missed the whole dang re-read yesterday - got some catching up to do!  And you're so right, Leslie - these chapters are full of stuff - good stuff!

I'll be back!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 29, 2007, 09:09:23 am
A few thoughts ...

From Chapter 86:

.....as Ennis splashed the cloth up between his thighs and got the majority of come and butter onto the cloth.


Now, there's a phrase you don't read every day!!!!  :laugh:


Quote from: MaineWriter on January 29, 2007, 07:51:26 am

and at the end of the chapter...

With his simple declaration, Ennis had given Ellery a hope, that this hunger, lurking inside him for so long, unsatisfied, would be fulfilled, and that he could look forward to a relationship that nourished, rather than drained him. As they fell together, spent, onto the bed, Ellery felt the beginnings of that hope, and the end of a life of frustrated longing.

L


And that's a paragraph I could read every day!  Aww, Ellery. 

Such great quotes, Leslie.  Thanks!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 29, 2007, 09:27:11 am
A lot of interesting little tidbits from Chapter 89:

As he did he caught sight of a tall, long-haired blond sweeping Lauren up into his arms and giving him a hard smack on the lips. “This must be Simon,” Ellery said as he walked back in. Simon let go of Lauren, towering over him by a good foot. Simon was well built, muscular, beefy arms the size of Ellery’s thighs.

“Evenin, you must be the infamous Deputy Ellery,” he boomed, voice like thick molasses. He scooped Lauren into a one-armed embrace with his left arm and extended his right, bristling with expensive looking rings on each finger.

“Infamous huh?” he took the hand, which crushed his fingers together briefly as Simon grinned at him sunnily.

“Well in a manner a speakin. Heard you ran Wayne off when he got inta trouble.”

“He’s still floatin around somewhere, but yeah, got me a new bartender.”

“Can’t say I’m sorry. Listenin ta Lauren go on about Wayne’s little hobbies at the bar was enough ta make me want ta give em a spank myself, an life has been a lot happier since you got somebody new at the bar.”

. . . . . . . .

“Those are real nice rings,” Ennis commented, his eye drawn to Simon’s hand.

“Now look at the ones I made for us. This was for our commitment ceremony.” He lifted Lauren’s long left hand and held it up against his right. On the fourth finger of each hand was the same woven silver band studded with gems.

“Them... diamonds?” Ennis asked, impressed.

“Cubic zirconium. More beautiful than diamond if ya ask me, but less expensive.”

Ennis nodded, still looking at the beautiful woven silver. “Maybe get me one a them.”


Our first look at beefy Simon with arms the size of Ellery's thighs (!!!)  Interesting to hear Simon's comments about Wayne.

I had completely forgotten that Simon and Lauren had a commitment ceremony and wore matching rings!

And, yes, Ennis - you will be getting a ring - a 24k gold ring!   :)

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 29, 2007, 02:02:50 pm
Quote from: mariez on January 29, 2007, 09:09:23 am
A few thoughts ...

From Chapter 86:

.....as Ennis splashed the cloth up between his thighs and got the majority of come and butter onto the cloth.


Now, there's a phrase you don't read every day!!!!  :laugh:

Marie

 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

You could say that again !!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on January 29, 2007, 05:24:27 pm
hahahahaha!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 30, 2007, 09:41:11 am
Today, chapters 91-95:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/73311.html

“Well set a spell an I’ll put dinner on an we can visit a bit when Wes gets home before ya head out for the bar. I don’t know how you boys can just go go go like you do.” She shook her head.

“We eat a lot a biscuits.”

“Speakin a which, I made some fresh.”

“You gonna spoil my dinner?”

She smiled. “Just don’t tell Wes. Let me get ya a couple. You want butter?”

Ennis spat out part of his mouthful of lemonade in response to her comment, and she raised her eyebrows. “Sorry, Edna.”

“Rather have jam then?”

“No, butter’s fine.” Edna went back in the house, tut-tutting to herself, and Ennis rubbed a hand over his face, now flaming hot with embarrassment. She don’t know nothin, boy, just settle down, he chided himself, and managed to get a straight look on his face by the time she returned with a small plate with buttered biscuits on it. “Thank you kindly, Edna.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 30, 2007, 09:42:12 am
More from Edna:

“I hope Ellery gets over that. I didn’t know he had a heartbreak like that when he was so young. I am amazed he is so even tempered when ya consider.”

Ennis smiled faintly. “Yes ma’am, most a the time he’s pretty even tempered.”

“Everythin... gonna be okay ya think?”

Ennis smiled and nodded. “Yes ma’am.”

“You two... still gettin on okay?”

Ennis blushed slightly. “Good as ever, maybe better.”

“You ain’t... upset about this... other one showin up from the past?”

“No, well... no.”

“You didn’t feel jealous or anythin? Give em a hard time?”

Ennis stared at his biscuit, suddenly intensely uncomfortable with her probing. “I got ta take Pal out for a run. I’ll be back in a while."

“I’m stickin my nose in too far,” she concluded, rising. “You take yer time, finish yer biscuit, no need ta run off.”

He smiled helplessly, still blushing. “Thanks Edna.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 30, 2007, 09:52:39 am
Chapter 92:

Ellery gave him a quick glance. “Do you want to watch?”

“Thinkin a goin into law enforcement myself.”

“Oh really. You in the criminal justice program?”

“Well well, Jeremiah,” Dupree said from the third floor stairwell.

“Jeremy!”

Ellery blinked. “You two know each other?”

“As only a Jeremy and a Jeremiah could,” Dupree smiled. “Part a the reason I go by Dupree.” He shook Stokes’ hand.

“Jeremiah here was thinkin a becomin a policeman. Well guess what, I made it into the Sheriff’s office myself.”

“Damn, Dupree,” Stokes said, smiling widely. “Good ta know. You workin for the Chief Deputy an all?”

Dupree smiled proudly. “Sure am. On the murder case.”

“Hot damn,” Stokes said. “Chief Deputy here says you might be fingerprintin and stuff.”

“We haven’t got a Brad Sevigny but if there was somebody in that room we can fingerprint em and find out who he was if he’s in the national computer,” Ellery said, a little flattered at discovering the house father was in the CJ program. Might make life a little easier.

“Let’s do it,” Dupree said.

“We’re gonna be here for a while, Dupree, I better call Edna an have her try ta get Ennis ta stay for dinner. We’ll probably be eatin pizza while we inventory the room. I hope you ain’t got plans,” Ellery said.

“Just at the bar.”

“Shit. Not fair you workin tonight. Rudy’ll have ta go it alone.”

“Okay. Mondays are pretty dead anyhow. He’ll survive.”

“There’s a phone in the upstairs office you can use here,” Stokes offered. “Just step inside there.”



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 30, 2007, 10:00:19 am
Chapter 93:

“Oh darlin... if my head weren’t comin off my neck I’d have you down here gettin fancy right now...”

“Don’t worry about that... you feel better?”

Ennis nodded, moving his head as little as possible.

“You take an aspirin?”

“Four of em.”

“You gonna be all right?”

“Yeah. Maybe you could get me one a them ice packs you got in the freezer.”

Ellery slid out of bed, patting his thigh. “Sure enough, you take it easy.” He went to the kitchen and returned, wrapping the pack in a towel to cushion his face against the cold, and knelt beside him, setting it gently against his forehead and cheek.

“Ah, damn.... that feels better,” Ennis said, smiling weakly.

“You need another suck or somethin, you just let me know, boy,” Ellery said, retrieving his brace and refastening it.

“Will do. Just hold me now Ellery. Got ta rest a bit.”

Ellery rested his head against Ennis’s shoulder, reached over and turned out the light. He lay awake for an hour as his arousal waned, listening to Ennis’s breath deepening into the slow rhythm of sleep. In the morning, he was going to give that little bitch Leon a piece of his mind.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 30, 2007, 10:06:34 am
Chapter 94:

“He knows what car I drive, an said that the ones who killed Wilkes were gonna blow away every queer boy in the county.... an they are watchin me. Sevigny has been watchin me, maybe from somebody else’s room at the dorms, maybe from a coffee shop across from the station, I dunno, but he said queers are bein hunted.”

“Well shit, this sounds way too much like Worrell an his ilk don’t it?”

Ellery nodded. “An I swear to god if Worrell has got henchmen goin around shootin queer boys an I can make a tie between em then the whole goddamn kit an kaboodle are gonna face capital charges for conspiracy an hate crimes.”

“Ellery... this is real bad. You realize this boy is sayin you got a target on yer back.”

“Yeah I know. An I can’t tell Ennis this either.”

“It means you go to the weapons locker right now an put on yer body armor. Dupree too.”

“Oh shit.”

Wes smiled grimly. “It’s part a the job. An make sure you got an extra magazine in that holster a yours.”

Ellery went to the weapon locker, got out his vest, and Dupree’s, and dropped it on his desk as he waited on hold for the State Police dispatcher. Ellery stripped off his dress shirt and put on his vest, wandering back into his office to go through his messages again, then called Ennis as he put his shirt back on.

The phone rang ten times, and no one picked up. “I can’t believe he is feedin the birds.”

Wes came out of his office. “Edna’s on her way down there in bout half an hour, she’s takin the biscuits out.”

Ellery nodded. “I’m goin ta County, be back in a half hour. Dupree, be ready.” Dupree nodded, pouring a coffee as he sat on hold, and Ellery took a brisk walk to visit Leon Sebastian in the basement of the courthouse.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 30, 2007, 10:10:42 am
Chapter 95:

“Well, Leon... hopin ta get my attention. You tryin fer that free whisky on the house by bashin Ennis in the face?”

“He called Sammy a name.”

“Who the hell is Sammy?”

“You know, my boyfriend. Sammy Lang.”

“Oh... Lang. You mean like Petunia, or Sweet Pea or something like that?”

“Something like that,” he crossed his arms. “Yer prejudiced, yer fuckin em.”

“It’s my bar. An lo an behold, this is my jail too, Leon. An as luck would have it, I am really fuckin busy today so we’re gonna have ta hold ya till tomorrow fer yer arraignment, ain’t that a pity?”

“You can’t do that! I got my rights!”

“Sure we can. The D.A. is overworked and understaffed, I got a high priority case ta work on an there just ain’t nobody here ta process you boy. You picked a bad night ta bash Ennis in the face, Leon, so ya better sit tight.”

“Fuck you Ellery, you are always so superior an high an mighty an you ain’t nothin but just a college educated drag queen in waitin, you in yer blue lizard boots.”

“Bet you’d like a pair just like em wouldn’t you, Leon? Let me tell ya somethin. The next time you are out on the street, an you look crosseyed at me or Ennis, one or the other a us is gonna make sure you end up with a nice big shiner as big as the one you gave Ennis last night. An that is a threat.”

“Police brutality!” Leon cried shrilly, and his voice faded as his eyes lit on the grinning blond guard.

“Did I hear a breeze whistle past my ear?” the guard said in a singsong voice.

“Oh that was Leon... he really sings nice.” Ellery turned around, and banged the door shut as he left.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 30, 2007, 10:17:43 am
Chapter 95:

“Carol we’re goin ta Interview 2. Dupree can you get this poor boy a muffin an a coffee an maybe... a facecloth an towel?” Sevigny grinned, and Ellery led him down two doors into a roomy conference room, sinking into a chair.

Ellery sat down and took out a cigar. “I hope smokin don’t bother you.”

“Hey, can I have one a those?”

“Cost ya a dollar,” he grinned.

“Cuban ain’t they?”

“Ain’t you just the cleverest thing?” Ellery said, finding the mischievous smile charming. He pulled out a second cigar and offered him his lighter, and Sevigny puffed on it then inhaled.

“Yer definitely queer, I can tell that too,” Sevigny said, his eyes, though tired, flashing with recognition.

“Yeah well, yer about a decade too young an way too smart fer me so let’s move on. What’s yer real name?”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 30, 2007, 10:19:59 am
And the ultimate cliffhanger ending!

He nodded. “That’s how I knew. No straight police detective ever asks that kind a question unless he knows what kind a question ta ask.”

“How very perceptive.”

“But now that I met you a course there ain’t no doubt.”

“Dupree, he ain’t got no doubt.”

Dupree nodded. “Okay I’m impressed.”

“Okay Sevigny, what about him?” he raised his chin, looking at Dupree.

Dupree blushed.

“Nope.”

“I think you got somethin there, boy. Now we’re gonna have ta take a formal statement, and we’re gonna call up our artist. Dupree, give em that washcloth so he can wash his face at least.”

There was a knock on the door, and Wes waved his hand at Ellery as Dupree handed Sevigny the washcloth and towel and he unbuttoned his shirt. “Sorry ta interrupt, Ellery.”

Ellery went over to the door and out, closing it behind him.

“Ellery, Edna is over at the house now. There ain’t nobody home.”

“Truck there?”

He nodded. “The back door was forced, Ellery. There's a cruiser on the way.”

The color drained out of his face. “Oh my god.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 30, 2007, 10:25:33 am
That cliffhanger ending ended "A Second Chance." However, for those who are on the re-reading journey, I am assuming you'll want to dive right in tomorrow with "Shelter from the Storm," right?

Five chapters a day, same as our usual routine.

In the meantime, another picture story....

WHERE O WHERE ART THOU ENNIS?  (by MaineWriter)

I think we should all keep our

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or perhaps, call on

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to pray to

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to bring

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home safe and sound to

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in the little home they share together

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When Ennis is home, safe and sound (soon, we hope!) they will be able to eat

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and play with

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and maybe even with

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And when they get to that point, life will be nothing but

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This story brought to you by

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who in real life looks like this

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 30, 2007, 02:05:50 pm
"Where O Where Art Thou Ennis?"  -  :laugh:  How funny is that!  Thanks!

And look at you, Leslie!  You are Nancy Drew - so cool in that convertible!  I'm so jealous!   :laugh:


In Chapter 91  we also learn the fate of Jim "High Beams" Allen:


“I’ll go in. I got ta get used ta this.”

“I’ll settle my Texas burger a bit, thanks,” Ellery said, and Dupree followed Flaherty to the exam table where he had cleaned up the face of the victim for photographing.

Dupree gulped as he looked down at the grey, sunken features. “Oh shit,” he said softly, then waved at the window, and Ellery got to his feet.

“What is it?” He opened the door and pinched his nostrils shut, breathing shallowly as the thick odor of decay hit him.

“I can’t be a hundred percent, but... ain’t that Jim?”

“Jesus Christ,” Ellery said. “Yeah. That’s Jim Allen. Or the man who called himself Jim Allen.“

Ah, the plot thickens!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 31, 2007, 02:54:55 am
I love these picture stories. Very funny! Maybe we (well, not me, i'm thinking more creative people! :laugh:) could do that again for the new laramie tales.

Nice picture Leslie, and a classy car!

On with book 4  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 31, 2007, 08:04:13 am
And so, we dive in with Shelter From The Storm, chapters 1 to 5 to get us started.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/75525.html

Half an hour later he entered the yard of one of Wes’s neighbors, sat down on his porch step and pulled off his boots, emptying out pebbles. One of the ranch hands spotted him and came out of the paddock, face growing pale as he neared, seeing the garish bruise on Ennis’s face, his filthy shirt hanging off him in shreds, his sunburned, dirty face.

“What the hell happened a you, boy?” said the man, lean and aging, his hair sparkling grey with sweat and emerging sunlight. He helped Ennis back to his feet.

“Ran inta some rough types, jumped out a their truck.”

“We got ta get you cleaned up.”

“I got ta call the sheriff. Can I get some water?”

“Sure enough,” the man said, and ran into the house, Ennis following him with a slow, stiff gait.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 31, 2007, 08:07:49 am
Chapter 2, Ellery, the frantic husband...

After a tense, quiet drive in Wes’s Oldsmobile, they drove up a long, winding driveway to a cattle ranch south of Brown Horse Ranch. “This place is the Wilde cattle ranch,” he said. “Old man Wilde ran this place till he died... don’t know who owns it now.”
Ellery made a small noise, plucking at his lip.

“Settle down... yer gonna spook Ennis actin like that.”

“Actin like what?” Ellery asked, stirring from his brown study.

“Like a frantic husband.”

“I am a frantic husband.”

Wes reached over and patted his shoulder. “Well cut it out. Ennis is gonna be pretty spooked when he thinks about what happened to him, an we’re gonna have ta run em up to the hospital ta get checked out. Jumpin out of a speedin pickup truck onto asphalt does not leave a man unmarked.”

“You have such a calming demeanor, Wes,” Ellery said.

“Just pull yerself together.”

“Right.” He pulled up in the yard, and Ellery opened the door before he set the hand brake, causing Wes to scowl at him. Ellery strode rapidly across the porch. The door was open.

“Hello?” he called, and Wes, behind him, said “It’s the Sheriff.”

Ellery walked in the door, and lying on the sofa in the front room, was Ennis, looking cleaner, but still ragged and beaten. He was bare to the waist, had a cold cloth on his head, and bandages on both knees, as well as a large gauze patch on his back. When he saw Ellery he struggled to sit up. “Oh ... Ellery,” he said, his voice choked.

“Don’t get up sweetheart, it’s all right. We’re gonna bring ya ta the hospital.” He came over to the sofa and Ennis straightened to a sitting position and launched himself to his feet, breath hissing. As the rancher and his grey-haired hand came in from the kitchen, he slipped his arms around Ellery and pulled him close.

“I’m all right darlin, I’m all right. I got away.”

Ellery pulled back and put his hands on either side of his head, looking into his eyes, his own breath catching. “Thank god fer that.” Behind them, Wes cleared his throat, but neither of them moved from the embrace until he set a hand on Ellery’s arm.

“Let’s bring em up an have a doctor look at em.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 31, 2007, 08:12:39 am
Chapter 3:

Wes pulled his car up to the house, and Ellery noticed Edna was still there. “I thought she would a gone home by now,” he said, helping Ennis out of the car.

“She’s probably cookin, you know Edna.”

Indeed she had. As they came inside, the smell of homemade biscuits wafted out of the kitchen, and an apple pie was just going into the oven. The mess in the kitchen had been swept up and a workman was laying a new frame in the patio door. “I hope ya don’t mind, I called a company I know,” she said cheerfully, giving her husband a nod as Wes led them back in the house. “You boys want coffee?”

“I’ll take another glass a water,” Ennis said, sinking down into the recliner but not sitting back.

“You poor boy,” Edna said. “You gonna be all right?”

“Cuts an scratches Edna.”

“That thing on yer eye isn’t any cut or scratch!” she declared, bringing him a drink as Ellery started a pot of coffee.

“Well no, that was a beer bottle from last night. Hey Ellery, you see Leon before all this shit happened?”

“Sure did. An he is gonna cool his heels another night before he gets bail set.”

Despite his scratched, sunburned, bruised face and swollen eye, Ennis smiled. “Best news I had all day.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 31, 2007, 08:15:49 am
Another relic from the archives. Click to enlarge!

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on January 31, 2007, 08:24:50 am
and from chapter 4, despite all the angst and pain, a comedy moment! Poor Edna  :laugh:

Ellery handed Ennis his Amoxicillin and Darvocet, gave him a soft kiss, then went out to the kitchen. “I suppose you are gonna want ta hover over us all the rest a the day, Edna.”

She nodded, smiling briefly. “How is Ennis doin? He gonna be ready for a tuna salad sandwich an some coleslaw an fruit salad in a little bit? I thought with him feelin poorly he might like somethin light.”

His stomach growled in reply. “I don’t know about Ennis but I missed my mornin muffin an I am ready ta eat. He just took his pills.”

She nodded, setting the table for the two of them and pulling out a serving tray Ellery didn’t know he had, stashed in a cabinet over the stove. She arranged some sliced tuna sandwiches on a plate, a large glass of lemonade, a bowl of fruit salad, and another of coleslaw. “I’ll just bring this in for em, you sit down.”

“I can do it Edna...”

Her blue eyes flashed. “You had your turn, now it’s mine.” Ellery sank down into the chair, his holster fetching up against the side of the chair as he sat. He debated taking off his gun and changing out of his uniform, and decided against it for the moment. Being in uniform and armed made him feel a little more in control at the moment... and control was something he needed.

Edna brought the tray in, tapping with a knuckle on the door before she entered the bedroom. “Lunchtime, Ennis.”

“Oh Edna... you didn’t have ta do all that...”

“I wanted ta. They should have the patio door all done by the end a the day at the latest too, you might be happy ta know.” She frowned as she looked for a place to set the tray, frowning at the cigar box, lighter, ashtray, massage oil and jar of Vaseline on the nightstand. “You must have really dry hands if you got ta keep that nearby all the time,” she said, picking it up with one hand, balancing the tray. “Belongs in the bathroom.”

“Uh, Edna...” Ennis blushed hotly. “Ain’t fer our hands.” She nearly dropped the tray, and set the jar back down carefully.

“Sorry, sorry.” He held out his hands for the tray and she retreated rapidly. “I got ta check the pie,” she said as she rushed back out of the room.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 31, 2007, 09:05:03 am
Good Morning! 

That doctor's write-up from the ER was great. Talk about great bits of minutia - that takes the prize!   :)

I loved Ellery replying, "I am a frantic husband.” and also Ennis's very Ennis-like “Ran inta some rough types, jumped out a their truck.”

Edna and the Vaseline is a classic!   :laugh:

Ellery gives her a further warning in Chapter 5:

Edna rushed out to the kitchen and Ellery looked up, swallowing a mouthful of tuna sandwich. “What’s wrong, Edna?”

She began to run water in the sink to wash the dishes, saying nothing.

“Edna you fixed yerself lunch, now yer washin dishes. Come on an sit down, I know how to wash my own damn dishes.”

She looked up at him with a tragic expression. “I really wasn’t tryin ta pry...”

“Pry? Inta what?” Ellery frowned, wondering what had gotten into the normally unflappable Edna.

“The... I don’t need ta know what you do with the Vaseline, I really don’t.”

Ellery grinned. “Oh. Ohhhh... Sit down an relax Edna. Yer right, probably too much information.”

“I just was tryin ta clear a spot.”

“Well, just don’t ever try ta tidy up my nightstand Edna, that’s all I’m sayin,” he said, giving her a sober look.

Her eyes widened, and her mouth opened, and for a long moment, no sound came out. “Sure enough,” she said at last.


Holy Crap - the nightstand!  Perhaps it's best if Edna stays out of the boys' bedroom altogether! 

Thanks for the quotes, ladies!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 31, 2007, 09:13:36 am
Thanks for helping out with the quotes, ladies! I really appreciate it....

Here's a bit more from chapter 5:

“No no, no need ta bother,” she said, and leaning over, gave him a quick kiss on the cheek.

“Uh oh, I’m gonna tell Ennis!” he teased.

“Oh he told you I gave em a kiss did he? Well now you two boys are even. You look after em now, Ellery.” She picked up her box and, giving him another reassuring smile, headed out the door to her aging Pontiac, setting the box in the trunk before backing out of the driveway slowly and deliberately.

He went back in the bedroom, opening the door softly, and saw Ennis drowsing, the ice pack slipped away from his face, the bruises on his neck and shoulders visible above the edge of the sheet. Tears stung his eyes as he watched him lightly sleeping, and as he watched, the blond eyelashes fluttered and his eyes opened, looking up at him.

“Hey,” Ennis said.

“Hey. Dupree is comin over in a while. They matched fingerprints on the door to a mugshot, he’s gonna bring the mugshots by for you to look at.”

“Wow. That’s good, Ellery...” he said, his voice raspy.

“You want some a this lemonade? You ate the food but didn’t drink nothin.”

“Thanks,” he said. “Edna found the...”

“Yeah,” he grinned. “I think she decided ta go home cause she was learnin way too much she didn’t bargain for.”

“She left?”

Ellery nodded. “Yep. Which means we can have some kissin an cuddlin till Dupree gets here.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on January 31, 2007, 09:17:19 am
Another photo story...

POOR ENNIS!  (by MaineWriter)

Poor Ennis! What a time he has had!

First, he gets hit on the

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by a

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Despite taking lots of

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and Ellery acting like a

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it is likely he did not sleep like a

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The next morning is awakened by the sound of

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and the sight of thugs in the kitchen, who are wearing

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but on their

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not their

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The tie up Ennis with a

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and speed away in a

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What happens next? Stay tuned....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 31, 2007, 09:18:27 am
Also from Chapter 5 (just because I love Jeremy):

Ellery first called Dupree, relieved that he was at his desk and not still interviewing Sevigny. “What did you do with our witness?” he said as he heard him say hello.

“Shit, Ellery, what happened ta Ennis first?”

“He is home safe, in bed, he’s seen a doctor.”

“Good. I was worried sick, I was sittin in there with Poindexter Sevigny and nobody told me jack shit!”

“Reynolds is running prints, Dupree, this might be the same guys who killed Wilkes.”

“Damn.”

“You get that sketch artist over ta talk ta Poindexter? We need a sketch in the worst way. We got ta know if we got stalkin serial killers here.”

“Yeah yeah, my wish is yer command. He’s with em. But the question is, what do we do with the kid?”

“I don’t know what he’s worried about, he knows kung fu, he stalked us sight unseen for at least a day...”

“Three days,” Dupree interjected.

“Three days. He got a home around here?”

“Yeah yeah I got all that. Put a guy on his house?”



Aww.. Jeremy was so worried about Ennis.  Love all this dialogue and how Jeremy calls Sevigny "Poindexter!"

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on January 31, 2007, 09:25:28 am
Those photo stories are priceless, Leslie!   :laugh:  I agree with Fabienne - we need some for the Laramie Tales!   :)

Thanks!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 01, 2007, 09:44:35 am
Shelter from the Storm, chapters 6 - 10 today:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/76994.html

“At least I know I’m outside a nippin distance a Mr. Coyote,” Ellery said smugly, and slipped out the door to the kitchen with Ennis’s empty glass in his hand. He poured Ennis and himself full glasses of lemonade, nodded and smiled to the workman. “You know ta call out if anyone suspicious comes by, specially if they have a crowbar, right?” he said to Tony, who was finishing the trim on the patio door.

“Yes sir, Chief Deputy. Say, can I have some a that? Getting a little steamy in the sunshine here.”

“Oh sure, sorry I didn’t think of it.” He handed Tony his as yet untouched glass, and got another down from the cabinet, filling it up.

“No problem, Mrs. Brown was lookin after me all mornin. She said yer cousin got busted up kinda bad when they grabbed em this mornin. He gonna be okay?”

“Yep. He’s a little thirsty now though. Give a knock on the door if I ain’t out before yer ready ta go.”

“Sure enough,” Tony said, tilting the glass back and swallowing with a satisfied gasp.

Cousin, huh? Ellery thought to himself as he returned to the bedroom, glancing down at his bare chest and hip hugging cutoffs.

LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 01, 2007, 09:46:00 am
The things we didn't know, way back when. From Chapter 6:

The doorbell rang.

“You better look through the peephole before you open it, Ellery.”

“I will.”

“An could you put on a shirt please?”

“Jesus Ennis, in my own home?”

“Boys from the Red Stallion come by yer own home, Ellery. Come on.”

Ellery rose from the bed and pulled a clean red tank top out of the bureau. “Is this enough coverage for you, momma?”

“Barely,” Ennis frowned.

“It is warm this afternoon, Ennis. I ain’t coverin up fer modesty because yer in bed sick an jealous. It is probably Dupree runnin early.”

“Dupree ain’t off the hook yet.”

Ellery headed for the door. “That queer boy Sevigny says Dupree ain’t queer.”

“I don’t believe it,” Ennis replied.

“Neither do I, now put on some drawers or somethin cause Dupree’s got ta show ya the mug shots.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 01, 2007, 09:47:50 am
More from Chapter 6...

He thought he heard Ennis cursing in the bedroom, and by the time he served Dupree and Reynolds their glasses of lemonade and offered them some of the brownies Edna had baked and put in a tin for them, Ennis was walking stiffly out of the bedroom, wearing nothing but his own cutoff jeans, his torso half obscured by the ace bandage, which was tucked snugly under his chest, pushing up his pectorals slightly and making him look both thinner and more muscular than normal.

“Hey Dupree, yer in my seat,” Ennis grumbled, and Dupree hopped up, reseating himself next to Reynolds on the sofa.

“You got some pictures a the guy who was here?”

“Someone who was here, we’re hopin you can make em.”

“Make em what, Dupree?” Ennis said, brows furrowing. Ellery chuckled.

“Make em. Make an identification it means,” Dupree explained, blushing slightly. “You look like you got raked over the coals there, Ennis.”

“Well, jumpin out of a truck does that to a guy. Let’s see the pictures.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 01, 2007, 09:51:33 am
Don't we love it when Ellery does his job and acts like a cop? From Chapter 7:

Ellery dressed once again, loaded his gun, donned his body armor, and once again headed into town. He pulled up in the alley behind the Red Stallion, and, using his key, walked up the back stairs to the apartment. As he expected, Rudy was back in bed with his companion, judging from the creaking of the bed. Well, he deserves at least a warnin, he thought.

“Hey, Rudy, tell yer buddy ta pull out an pull up his pants, I’m here on official business.”

“Goddammit!” came the choked reply, indicating they hadn’t finished yet. “No, no....!” a growled objection and then a loud “Get the hell off me, that’s my boss out there!”

Ellery smirked, leaning against the doorjamb of the kitchen as the bed creaked a final time, bodies rising off them, and the rustle of hastily donned clothes. But Rudy did not appear. Instead, swaggering out of the bedroom, belt still open, zipping up his pants over an obviously still rigid erection, was a smirking, ruddy-faced Gabe Blackwell.

“Well well, Ellie Mae... come to get in on the action?”

“I suggest you find yer drawers an yer shirt, Gabe, Rudy is under arrest.”

Gabe guffawed. “He ain’t made me come yet! You can’t arrest em.”

“Sure I can, now I said git, or I can arrest you fer trespassin.”

“You can’t do that,” he challenged.

“I can go get my second pair a handcuffs if ya like Gabe. I’d like nothin better than to put the two a you in the same cage.”

Rudy pushed passed him, wearing only his drawers and a t-shirt. “What the fuck is this about Ellery? You got some weird jealous streak in you, you abusin yer authority?”

“Er, no.” He gave Gabe a baleful look, and the gun dealer finally retreated to find the rest of his clothes. “There’s the little matter a harborin a fugitive here, Rudy, an you are bein held on suspicion of same.”

“Harborin a what?”

“One Chuck Marlborough by name. Or whatever his real name is.”

Rudy blinked several times. “Oh my fuckin god.”

“Come on Rudy. You got the right ta remain silent. You got the right ta...”

“See you round, Rudy. You call me when you get outta stir, okay? I had a real nice time.” Gabe pushed his hat on his head, shot his sleeves, buttoning them, and made his way down the stairs, while Ellery continued droning the Miranda act at Rudy, who was not listening, his face slack with shock.

“Do you understand yer rights as I have read em to ya, Rudy?” Ellery said, sliding his handcuffs off his belt and pulling Rudy’s wrists behind his back.

“Uh. Yeah. Whatever. I can’t believe Chuck...”

“One more thing before we get in my car, Rudy,” Ellery said.

“Huh?”

“Yer fired. Now where did you leave yer pants?”



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 01, 2007, 09:56:08 am
Chapter 8:

“Get in the car, Rudy,” Ellery said, mouth tight, his temper flaring.

“No, I ain’t gonna have you haul me down ta jail, Ellery, now let me go!”

“I said GET in the FUCKIN CAR!” Ellery shrieked, his voice doing what his fist wanted to do. I promised Wes no punchin.

Rudy cringed, sinking down and climbing into the passenger's seat of the El Camino.

“Now don’t do any stupid shit, I got an electric lock on those doors,” Ellery said. “So we got six blocks ta go an yer just gonna sit there not resistin arrest or fleein arrest, cause ya don’t want ta get convicted a that too.”

Rudy shook his head, eyes wide, expression dazed. “I can’t believe yer doin this. I can’t believe you are such a jealous sumbitch that you would use yer powers like this... I have lost all my respect fer you.”

“You are really hurtin my feelins Rudy, ya know that?” Ellery replied unpleasantly as he started the car. “I thought yer sneakin off work ta go fuck my former boyfriend showed me how stellar yer respect level was, an now you have gone an dashed all hopes of redeemin myself in yer eyes.”

“Oh fuck off, Ellery, you are so fuckin smug.”

Ellery smiled, stomped on the accelerator, and sent Rudy back onto his cuffed hands, eliciting a groan from him as his wrists were twisted.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 01, 2007, 11:24:10 am
from chapter 9:

Ellery exited to the front offices without another look back at Rudy, who had gone back to staring at his shoes.

“Ah there you are. You punch em?”

“No, but I raised my voice,” Ellery said, raising his chin slightly as Wes addressed him from the doorway.

“Yer warrant. Suspicion only. You got ta call someone named Peale at Carson City police on the warrant on this ... Jenkins. Reynolds left the notes on yer desk.”

“Can’t Reynolds do the followup?”

Wes snorted. “Whether its in our jurisdiction or not armed robbers are major cases Ellery and no a detective third grade don’t handle those. You make the call.”

“Taylor said Ennis an Dupree found somethin.”

“Which reinforces my point about detectives third grade. Weren’t you scarin up evidence at your house along with em?”

“Yeah. I found hairs.”

“No fingerprints?”

“I didn’t see no fingerprints. Reynolds had already dusted the patio door.”

“They found these on the wall in the dinin room.”

“On the other side a the gouge, then. I didn’t notice any prints.”

“Ellery, considerin how little we got ta go on somebody should a dusted the whole wall.”

“Point taken. I was a little upset.”

“Well you go back down there an you lift the prints. AFTER you call Carson City.”



and

[Dupree tugged on his collar a little. “Maybe I’ll get promoted.”

“Maybe you’ll get a thwap on the ass, now get out a my way,” Ellery grumbled, and squatted down in front of the smeared prints, opening up the small cannister of black powder and brushing it over them. He smiled slowly as the prints came up. “Full. He made some nice impressions here, boys.” Ellery got out the Polaroid and knelt back down, Dupree hanging over him as he snapped several photos of the now-black prints visible on the wall. “You said you had a partial hand too.... there....” he brushed over that with the black powder, clucking his tongue.

“Speakin a the victim, I’m gonna go lie down again,” Ennis said, making his way out of the room.

“You okay, Ennis?” Ellery called after Ennis as he went down the hall.

“Yeah, just restin.”

“Well?” asked Dupree. "They any good?”

“Might as well try anyway, we got nothin else. The fingers though...if he’s got a record we’re gonna find em from those.” He snapped three pictures of the partial hand print, and got to his feet.

“You want ta go run back ta the office with these be my guest.”

“I only got one problem, Chief,” Dupree said.”

“What’s that?”

“Reynolds took the cruiser.”

“Damn. Take the El Camino then, pick me up in the mornin when ya leave for work.”

“Yer sure?”

Ellery tossed him the keys. “Sure I’m sure.”

Dupree scooped up the Polaroids, examining them carefully before he slipped them in his pocket. “Just might do, Chief, just might do.”

“I hope so.”

Ellery saw Dupree out and went back to the bedroom, opening the door. Ennis was sound asleep. He went back to the living room and poured himself another shot of scotch, then walked back in the kitchen, sipping, staring at the grubby black spots on his dining room wall. “You better be him, you sumbitch.”


Poor Ellery, can this day get anyworse?

SPOILER  ;D


Yes, it can!  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 01, 2007, 01:31:33 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on February 01, 2007, 09:51:33 am
Don't we love it when Ellery does his job and acts like a cop? From Chapter 7:

Yes, we do!  Even when, as in this case, he was going off half-cocked, so to speak:

From Chapter 10:

“Good, that is a relief. I don’t need any more fuckin ex boyfriends...”

“Any more? You got more of em?”

“Rudy was entertainin that gun dealer I knew last year when I went over to pick him up.”

“The one you made a call on a few weeks back? I thought he was from North Dakota or someplace...”

“Montana, Wes.” Ennis was awake now, sitting up and rubbing his good eye, blinking rapidly as he looked at Ellery.

“Ellery... did you call for a warrant on Rudy because a the likelihood of him harboring this Jenkins or did ya call because he was gettin busy with one a your formers?”

“Two of em.”

“Ellery that looks real ugly. If Carson City don’t want em I am expirin that warrant.”

“Dammit Wes.”



And Ennis knows his Ellery as well:


“What the hell was that all about?” Ennis said, voice blurry.

“Wes thinks I arrested Rudy because he was fuckin my old boyfriend.”

Ennis smiled tightly. “Didn’t ya? You don’t remember a few days back you wanted ta kick him an Beagle out on the street bareass? You were crazy nuts that night.”

“Not you too, Ennis.”

“Why the hell not? Chuck’s moved out weeks ago. You weren’t lookin fer Chuck up there.”

“He was hidin em.”

“You don’t know that, Ellery, come on. What if I pulled off a robbery on a gas station over the Colorado line, then I come here an there’s a warrant out for me, an you just didn’t know about it. We get together an move in an then Wes finds out I’m wanted. He gonna arrest you for that? You don’t know dick about it.”

“Ennis ya don’t understand my point here. They came from Carson City... together.”

“So? Rudy lived there.”

“So why’d he leave an come ta Wyomin then? Way too convenient circumstances, I say.”

“So what else was all that about? Dupree an all.”

“I got a shit load a stuff ta do an Dupree is sittin by the fax machine waitin for a match on those prints.”

“You think the guy is a criminal?”

“He acted like one.”

“A dumbass one.”

“Yeah, so... yeah.”

“We gonna have dinner or somethin?”

"Edna made a bunch a sandwiches that are still in there, want ta do that?”

“Sure, don’t let em go ta waste. I am mean hungry now.”

“An you got ta take yer pill again.”

“Those whatever they are... those knocked me out like a light.”

“Darvocet. You ain’t used to em. Different kind a stuff from Percodan.”

“Makes me real woozy.”

“Maybe he should a given ya Percodan. I got plenty a those.”

Ennis stood up, swaying slightly. “Don’t like those either.”

“Well you won’t rest or stay still if ya don’t take some pain medicine Ennis.”

“Can’t I just clear my head a bit? Jesus Ellery, get off me.”

“I’m worried about ya,” Ellery said, slipping off the bed and going up to him, sliding his hands gently around Ennis’s middle, tracing the edge of the ace bandage beneath his nipples with his long fingers.

“An I’m worried about you. You went off half cocked on that Rudy thing. Walked in on em fuckin with Gabe...”

“Stayed in the kitchen.”

“Ya wanted ta walk in on em.”

Ellery resisted the urge to pull his hands back, feeling defensive and indignant, but Ennis had captured his hands. “Don’t get gettin all pissed on me, Deputy Darlin,” he grumbled good-naturedly. “You know ya did, I know you.”

“Fuck off,” Ellery said softly.

Ennis laughed. “Come on, I got ta eat.”


"You know ya did, I know you."  Great stuff!  Thanks for the quotes.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 02, 2007, 12:28:30 pm
Hello re-readers,

I am a little late today. Sorry! Our assignment...chapters 11-15:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/78329.html

Ennis broke the kiss suddenly by throwing his head back, panting, and a low growl rose from his open mouth, and he arched his back, thrusting up and through Ellery’s pumping hand, a jet of come erupting between the long fingers. He sank back onto the mattress, shuddering.

“Hmmm... you liked that, boy,” Ellery said, gathering up the warm come in his hand and raising it to his mouth. Keeping his eyes on Ennis’s face, he licked his hand methodically.

“Oh.. yeah.”

Ellery let his tongue flicker over his fingers, lapping up his lover’s sticky fluid. “Ya taste good, even all banged up.”

Ennis shuddered again, his eyes riveted to Ellery’s licking tongue. “Ya drive me crazy when ya do that.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 02, 2007, 12:32:38 pm
Chapter 12:

“You okay, boy?” Wes asked Dupree.

Dupree smiled and nodded. “Aside from getting kicked in the chest. But damn I think that thing held at two yards or somethin, Sheriff.”

“It should, I paid enough for it.” Wes fixed his eye on Ellery who had exchanged the forceps for an evidence bag and bagged the bullet. “You wearin yer armor, Ellery?”

“You bet, Sheriff.”

“You take it off today?”

“Only when I was sleepin an makin love, Sheriff,” he smiled, not looking at Ennis. Ennis stepped back, blushing dark red, and looked around quickly, but all eyes were on Dupree and Ellery.

“Good. Now let’s get Ennis inside an get a vest on em. I take it you boys got it figured that the shooter mistook Dupree for Ellery.”

“Pretty much,” Ellery said.

“He couldn’t a got a good look at me.”

“Yer pretty well built though Dupree, whowever it is must not know Ellery very well if they mistake some big muscled guy for a skinny one. Come on Ennis. Ellery you come too, let the doctors do their job. Taylor, you go with Dupree, make sure he gets home safe.”

“Sure Wes,” Ellery replied. “Don’t have ta pick me up tomorrow Dupree.” Taylor climbed in after the stretcher in the back of the ambulance. “Hey, Chief, take my report here.”

Ellery took his notebook. “Thanks a lot Taylor,” flipped it closed and pocketed it. “Don’t molest any nurses, Dupree,” and he followed Ennis and Wes inside.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 02, 2007, 12:57:11 pm
A brief aside...

As we can all see, Wes takes the issue of body armor very seriously. To get the men at the station to wear their body armor, Wes taped this picture up in the locker room:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/blonvest.jpg)


He had a special picture for Ellery:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/911TacCon.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 02, 2007, 01:02:03 pm
Interesting development in chapter 13:

Ellery blinked slowly. “Please don’t tell me there was another shootin.”

“There was another shootin. An squeezed into my already impossible schedule today is a 10 a.m. meetin with the press an the mayor an I need you ta give a status report on the recent shootins.”

“We ain’t got a status on Allen. We got no leads.”

“Well we ain’t gonna say that are we? We are gonna say we have a witness, a description, an artist’s sketch, an are interviewin more witnesses in the next twenty four ta forty eight hours.”

“That sounds better. You mean Allen’s wife? And we don’t know these are connected. Where was the latest shootin?”

“Outside yer bar.”

“The bar was closed, Wes.”

“It was outside yer bar. I guess ya had a customer thought it was open an somebody shot em.”

“Fatality?”

“Peculiarly, no. Maybe somethin spoiled his aim, but it caught em in the shoulder an the victim managed ta flee an call 911.”

“Okay so he’s at Ivinson. I get this one too I imagine.”

“Yup. An you better keep the bar closed.” Wes slid the incident report across his desk, frowning. Ellery stared at it, dropping the report. It drifted with a current of air and landed squarely back in front of Wes.

“Wes... that’s Wayne Bryce.”

“Yeah. I know.”

“I got ta go see em.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 02, 2007, 01:03:27 pm
For Marie who loves minutia, find out how much Ellery actually weighs...chapter 13

“Good mornin everyone,” Jeremy Dupree walked in, arm in a sling, bandaged to his uniform shirt. Trailing him was a considerably cleaner and happier-looking Brad Sevigny.

“Look what the cat dragged in,” Ellery said. “We was just sharin Joe’s bakery bounty, today’s special is corn muffins.”

“Love one,” Sevigny said, diving for the box. “Got coffee ta go with this?”

Jones came over to the bakery box, looked in. “I’ll try but... why not him?”

Ellery looked where Jones pointed. “Hm, six feet tall, dark hair.... Sevigny’s too skinny. They throw out cases if the lineup has the suspect bein two hundred twenty pounds and all the ringers are ninety pound weaklings, Jones.”

“Hey. I’m a hundred an eighty five,” Sevigny objected, biting into a muffin.

“You got buckshot in your pockets or somethin? You are not,” Ellery said.

Sevigny chuckled. “Well lemme see, yer what, six three? You got ta be... one sixty five.”

“With buckshot in my pockets. I never tipped the scales at one fifty, boy.”

“Damn,” Sevigny looked chagrined by his error.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 02, 2007, 01:07:47 pm
Chapter 14:

Dupree got to his feet and Ellery waved him out the door before him. “Dupree what the fuck was that in there?”

“What, Chief?”

“That whole comment. About him statin his age an bein too young. That is real unprofessional.”

“Chief, yer the one who started the whole banter with him. Yesterday ya asked em if he thought I was queer for Chrissakes.”

“I was distractin em.”

“It wasn’t any more unprofessional than what I said.”

“Fine, Dupree.”

Dupree grinned slyly. “He makes ya nervous don’t he?”

“What are you talkin about?”

“The way he looks at ya.”

“He does have a rather bold eye, Dupree. Don’t say a word ta Ennis. I ain’t interested in no murder witness boy genius.”

“Uh huh, sure.”

“Shut up, Dupree. Now get somebody ta take em home, I got ta somehow get to the courthouse.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 02, 2007, 01:24:45 pm
Hi, everyone!  Yay - it's Friday!

Gosh, Leslie, please don't ever apologize!  We really appreciate all you do. :)


Quote from: MaineWriter on February 02, 2007, 12:57:11 pm
A brief aside...

As we can all see, Wes takes the issue of body armor very seriously. To get the men at the station to wear their body armor, Wes taped this picture up in the locker room:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/blonvest.jpg)


He had a special picture for Ellery:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/911TacCon.jpg)

L

That is freakin' hilarious!   :laugh:  Yeah, we wouldn't want Ellery getting nauseous looking at that "squishy" female! 

Thanks!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 02, 2007, 01:58:16 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on February 02, 2007, 01:03:27 pm
For Marie who loves minutia, find out how much Ellery actually weighs...chapter 13

Sevigny chuckled. “Well lemme see, yer what, six three? You got ta be... one sixty five.”

“With buckshot in my pockets. I never tipped the scales at one fifty, boy.”

“Damn,” Sevigny looked chagrined by his error.[/i]

Ha ha!  You know me so well!  Yep, I zeroed in on that - that sure is one skiinny chief deputy!


From Chapter 15 - Wes is proud of his boy ...

“Yeah!” shouted an unfamiliar voice behind the other reports. “The former Assistant D.A. said your department promotes queers an perverts... what do you say to that Chief? Are you a queer an a pervert?”

“That would not be a pertinent question, sir. Hirin and promotional practices a the Sheriff’s department are in accordance with the Equal Opportunity Act a 1980, if you need the text it’s posted on the wall behind you.” Out of the corner of his eye, Ellery saw Wes smile. “If that is all, gentlemen, the Mayor of Laramie would like to address you all.”

“Chief Deputy...” came another call from the pack, but Ellery had stepped back, moving back next to Wes, who put a beefy hand on his shoulder.

“Good boy,” Wes said softly.

... and so are we.  Nice job, Ellery.


But the nice daddy/son moment gets interrupted:


“Okay, what’s goin on here?” Wes said as he led the way back in.

“Someone’s got a shotgun an is shootin up the Red Stallion. Officer on patrol callin fer assistance.”

“Damn. Ennis still here?” Ellery asked.

Carol said “Yeah, like you said, they put em in Interview 1.”

“Keep Ennis here,” he said. Wes pointed rapidly at the available officers in the squad room, and they went to don their body armor. “Ellery, you are squad leader on this. Don’t stick yer neck out.”


Yikes!!!

A couple things I noticed . . . we get a peek at Dupree's funny/smartass side in these chapters.  Lately, he's been through so much personal upheaval and recent bar activities have forced him into his serious bouncer role more and more often that he hasn't had the chance to show that side of himself as much.  Hopefully, he'll begin to feel more comfortable and relaxed in his personal life and things will settle down a bit at the bar!

Thanks again for all the quotes!

Marie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 03, 2007, 08:36:03 am
Good morning re-readers!

Shelter From The Storm, chapters 16-20 today

http://louisev.livejournal.com/79403.html

I need to work and have to rush out in about 15 minutes, so I won't be able to post quotes until I get home, probably about 1 pm EST. So if anyone wants to fill in in the meantime, feel free!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 03, 2007, 12:38:13 pm
Good Morning, all!  I'd be happy to post some quotes, Leslie!

From Chapter 16, we see Ellery in his official capacity  - and get a good insight as to why Wes promoted him:


“I think I know who it is. Shit. What gave rise ta all this... I can’t believe it....” he mumbled to himself. “You got a bullhorn in yer cruiser?”

“Yeah.”

Ellery opened the passenger’s door of Reynold’s cruiser and pulled the bullhorn out, pressing the transmitter. “Sammy Lang, that you in there? We got six guys with service revolvers aimed at the door a the bar, an unless you throw out that pump action you ain’t gonna get a shot off at any of us before you get a few drilled into you. Now if ya care about Leon, he is bein booked on assault, but if you shoot at any of us it’s gonna be a damned long time before you ever get ta see em again, an I don’t know that you want that.”

Ellery stopped speaking, listening closely. “You an yer sweetheart Ennis Del Mar can go fuck yerselves, Ellery!” came the furious reply from inside the bar. “We woulda beat that boy within an inch of his life, how do ya like that?”

“Yep, yer a real man, Sammy. But you don’t want ta die today an we ain’t got no choice if you don’t throw that shotgun out the door an raise em high. Right now we got ya on breakin an enterin an malicious destruction a private property. That is small potatoes, boy. You don’t want ta get in the big league a shootin a peace officer.”

“How do you know what I want? I would love ta get a piece out a yer skinny ass Ellery, you smug sumbitch.”

“Oh come on Sammy, you ain’t really gonna sign up for hard time just ta get a shot at me. You had a shot at Ennis, Leon gave em a real good shiner an he got knocked up real good. You’ll do two ta five an you and Leon can grow old together. But you start shootin an it is a whole nother story. Besides, I’m way too skinny for you to hit at this distance.”

“You ain’t gonna shoot me if I throw out?” came the question, and Ellery nodded slowly to Jones, who was crouched behind his cruiser opposite him. Jones scampered up against the side of the building, flattening himself against it, about twenty feet from the front door.

“Nobody’s gonna shoot. Just tell us when you’re tossin the weapon Lang. We can all go home safe an sound an you’ll be eatin cream corn an hamburgers in County.”

“Okay. Yer still a fuckin sumbitch Ellery. An so is Buttercup.” A movement at the door, and the shotgun clattered onto the sidewalk.


The dialogue here is priceless!  Ellery handled that perfectly.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 03, 2007, 12:44:59 pm
I couldn't skip this part from Chapter 16:

“But I think ya really ought ta go in Interview 1, there’s a cowboy in there wonderin if yer gettin shot up in the streets a Laramie.”

“Oh shit... Ennis!”

“Yep... that’s the one.”

Ellery raced down the hall and opened the door. Edna was sipping a cup of tea, sorting through clippings that looked like recipes. Ennis was dozing in his chair. When the door opened, his eyes opened and he was suddenly on his feet.

“Oh darlin...” Ennis choked out, and heedless of his wounds and Edna’s presence, wrapped Ellery in his arms in a tight embrace, and did not let him go.

“I’m all right Ennis, I’m all right.”


I've noticed that Ennis doesn't usually pace when he's worried - he sits quietly or dozes - which suits his character perfectly!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 03, 2007, 12:53:00 pm
From Chapter 17, Ellery and Wes review the tape from the security camera:

Ellery held his breath, and moments later, the picture scintillated with an explosion of glass next to Dupree, and he wheeled, pulling his gun to face the direction of the rifle, and the shadow stepped into view.

“That looks more like six yards ta me,” Wes said. “I got ta thank that salesman fer talkin me into the Level III armor, or that boy’d be dead.” As he said the word “dead” a tunnel of light emerged from the rifle and Dupree slammed back against the car, slumping down. And the shadow fled.

“Goddamn,” Ellery said. “What do you think, Wes?”

“I think we might be able to enhance that face, that’s what I think.”

“There was one of em,” Murdoch said.

“There was one of em visible,” Ellery pointed out.

“What did you mean, you don’t like Sevigny’s story?” Wes asked, looking at him.

“He changed some things, subtly, I don’t know what it is. If a man is threatenin ta do ya in, you don’t reword the threat the next day. Do ya?” Ellery plucked at his lip.

“Hard to say,” Wes said.

“An there ain’t one word a what he said we can corroborate. Not a lick of it. He could a blown Wilkes away himself with his own rifle when Wilkes turned em down, unrequited love.”

“You think he’s queer?”

“He pays way too much attention to the part of me that ain’t talkin. Yeah I do,” Ellery said. “But I don’t trust em an I wish I could corroborate his story.”


The mystery deepens.  And Ellery sure does have a way with words, doesn't he? LOL!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 03, 2007, 01:04:23 pm
Ellery visits Wayne in the hospital in Chapter18:

“Uh huh. Okay, so, tell me what happened now.”

“Well I come up to the bar, you know, it was about oh, I dunno, midnight or one. An I didn’t even notice there weren’t any cars around, it isnt busy there on a Tuesday night anyhow so I wasn’t payin attention, an I try the door an it’s locked. So then I go over to the phone booth ta call Lauren an find out why the bar was closed, an this man is standin there. I didn’t see the rifle.”

“Just one guy.”

He nodded. Just the one. Yeah, he had brown eyes, I remember thinkin, gee, he’s got eyes like Ennis.”

“You could see em in the dark.”

“Blake Street has got streetlights right in front a the bar, Ellery, or hadn’t you noticed?” he said, pouting.

“Not there a lot at night, Wayne.”

“Well I am. Well, was. So anyway, yeah, brown eyes.”

“About six foot.”

“Well, taller’n me, shortn you. Maybe Ennis’s height.”

“He is six one. So then what? He say anythin?”

“He said ‘hey queer boy,’ an I thought, oh, someone knows me from the bar. An I said ‘The name is Wayne.’ An he said ‘Oh, Wayne is it. You like to suck cock, Wayne?’ What was I gonna say, NO?”

“A course you would never deny somethin like that,” Ellery said, hiding a smirk.

“Course not. So I said ‘Sometimes, why?’ An he said ‘Cause we don’t like boys like you hangin around suckin cock, that’s why.’ An that is when he went over an picked up this big ass rifle...”

Poor Wayne.  Getting shot by an evil psycho - traumatic stuff.   Of course, Louise gives us something to laugh about, though - "What was I gonna say, NO?"   :laugh: 

One thing to be said for Wayne . .  he's always Wayne!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 03, 2007, 01:18:36 pm
Now we see Dupree in his official capacity - and we see why Wes promoted him!

From Chapter 19:

“So could you tell me er, Mrs. ... er, when was the last time ya spoke to em? By phone or... yeah.”

“Couple weeks ago it must a been. He said he expected ta get paid for some special info he dug up in his investigation.”

“Did he say what it was?”

She nodded. “Pictures a somebody important that was gonna cause some sort a political scandal.”

Dupree gulped. “Uh... did he happen ta mention what kind a somebody important, or his name or anythin?”

“I’m sorry... I figured ya would want ta know, cause all I could think was if he got some information on somebody important an they caught wind of it... ya know, maybe that was how come he got killed.”

Dupree thought for a long moment. “Did you get any mail for em after you last heard from em? Maybe somethin from Laramie?”

She nodded. “Some stuff, haven’t opened it... you know, the shock an all. Havin ta come up here an ... identify em.”

He nodded sadly. “I did the same thing.”

She looked at him curiously. “You... identified Jim?”

“Yes. He had a part time job at a bar where I work nights. During the day I was assigned to this case and I recognized him when I went with my boss to start the investigation. That was quite an ordeal.”

She smiled again, dabbing at her nose delicately. “Yes it was.” She let out a sigh, her breath hitching.

“Now about this mail. Do you suppose you could take a look through it and see if there was anything from him, or anything sent from his employers, or anything from Laramie? There might be a clue in there as to what might have happened to him, or what he was working on.”

“I am gonna be seein his lawyer, who has some a his personal papers too, maybe he sent somethin to his lawyer.”

“Yes, if you could do that.” He set down Ellery’s card on the table. “If you find anything you think might have any information that could help us, or if you think of anything more, please give Chief Deputy Cantrell a call. He is handling this case personally.”

She nodded, giving him another, brighter smile. “Is that it? I thought I was gonna get the third degree!”

He smiled and laughed softly. “No ma’am. We are fishin for any information we can get, an that means treatin our witnesses with all due cordiality.”

“That is very nice, thank you.... Mr. “

“Sergeant. Dupree. Jeremy Dupree.”

She held out her hand to him and rose delicately from the chair. She never touched her glass of water. “Very nice ta meet you Jeremy. I’ll be sure ta get in touch with this Chief... Deputy Cantrell. I hope he is as charmin as you are.”

“Oh believe me, he is,” Dupree smiled widely, a twinkle in his eye.


Ah, those poor females - they take to Ellery and Jeremy like bees to honey!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 03, 2007, 01:33:19 pm
Some favorite parts from Chapter 20:

“Right. This day ain’t never gonna end.” Ellery looked at his watch. “Ain’t had lunch.”

“Neither have I,” Joe said. “I could stop by the High Plains and get a couple a sandwiches ta go if ya like.”

“Thinkin on yer stomach, Joe, I like that,” Ellery grinned. “Sure.” He got out his wallet and handed two dollars to him. “And chips. And a large Coca Cola.”

Well, those were the days, huh?  A couple of sandwiches, chips, and a large Coke for two bucks?   LOL!!!

.....

Can't pass up a classic Wes/Ellery moment:

“Interview One,” Wes said. “Tell ya what, since you haven’t hardly slept, you can go home after this an start in fresh on the Allen murder tomorrow mornin.”

Ellery beamed. “If you were queer I’d kiss you for that Wes.”

“Which means you ain’t gonna kiss me,” Wes said, and retreated to his office.

.....

Johnson choked on a mouthful of coffee. “This interview is over. We ain’t got a reason ta bring em back with us, Cantrell.” he stood up. “If I cared more than a flyin fuck, I would tell yer Sheriff you made a bad collar.”

“An since I do care more than a flyin fuck,” Ellery said smoothly, “I’ll be sure ta mention to yer Sheriff that yer impugnin a peace officer’s reputation in front of a suspect in contravention of our mutual respect an cooperation regulations.”

Johnson’s mouth snapped shut. “We know the way out. Come on Jesse.” The beefy officer stood up and tagged along after Johnson as he left the room.

Ellery watched Jones as they left, then fixed an eye on Rudy. “Ain’t a bad set a hams on that Jones,” he said, voice pitched low.

Rudy shook his head. “Fuck you, Ellery. You lettin me go now?”


Gotta hand it to Ellery - he knows he was wrong - but he's not about to let anyone (except Wes and Ennis) give him crap about it!  LOL!!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 03, 2007, 02:09:39 pm
thanks for the quotes Marie! love your comments!  :)  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 04, 2007, 10:37:08 am
Good morning all....

Today, chapters 21-25:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/80813.html

A fun exchange from chapter 21:

“Fine,” Ellery said, digging in his wallet. To the amazement of Jones and Taylor, he took two crisp $100 bills out of his wallet and handed them to Rudy. “Keep the change,” he snarled, and stalked back to his own office.

Rudy tucked the money in his own wallet, then sat down to wait out his discharge from custody while Jones plucked away at a Remington typewriter with two fingers. He then went in search of Ellery for his signature.

Ellery was greeted with a roast beef sandwich on a roll, chips, and Coca Cola when he returned from Processing, and was sitting at his desk when Jones knocked on the door.

“Yeah what is it? Can’t a man eat?”

“Just need yer signature, Chief. You really lettin em go?”

“Yep.”

“How much money you keep in yer wallet?”

“Jones, what’s the inquisition about?” Ellery frowned at him.

Jones smiled timidly, raking back his thinning hair. “Taylor an I laid a bet on how much you keep in yer wallet.”

“Oh, how much did you say?” Ellery scribbled his signature on Rudy’s release and then took another bite of his sandwich, chewing noisily.

“Thanks, Chief,” he said, nodding, picking up the release. “I said a thousand dollars.”

“An what did Taylor say?”

“He said five hundred”

“Tell Taylor he owes ya lunch.”

“Damn.” Jones went out of the office wearing a silly grin.

“I swear,” Ellery said, sipping on his Coca Cola and picking up the phone.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 04, 2007, 10:51:36 am
Chapter 22, a new product appears on the scene!

“Now before ya reach for the Vaseline I got a little surprise ya might like, boy.” Ellery said, stepping closer slowly, as if fearing Ennis would seize him before he got where he was going. He saw Ennis’s hand twitch as he bent over to open the nightstand drawer and pulled out a long unopened tube.

“Ointment?” Ennis asked, hand still holding his cock but not yet stroking it, his breath hitching slightly at the proximity of Ellery’s naked, aroused body so close to him.

“No. Lube. Try this on ya, boy,” Ellery said, unscrewing the cap and squirting some of the clear gel onto his fingers. He reached for Ennis’s cock, spreading it over the tip and down the shaft.

“Christ, that is slick...” Ennis said softly.

“K Y personal lubricant, Ennis, the latest thing fer queer pleasure.”

“Damn... “ he moaned softly, his hips thrusting toward Ellery’s hand. “Better stop that or I’m gonna come,” he said, reaching for Ellery’s wrist.

Ellery let go of his glistening cock, panting lightly. “Ya know what I want.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 04, 2007, 10:54:42 am
Chapter 22, continued:

“Yeah.” Ellery puffed on the cigar, agitated. “An now that we mention that, I go up to Ivinson to interview our victim number four, Wayne, an he tells me you were talkin about tyin me up an spankin me at the bar. Now how in the hell did Wayne get wind a that so he could throw it in my face, I wonder?”

It was Ennis’s turn to avert his eyes, then. “I’m sorry Ellery.”

“Well?” Ellery’s face paled. “Ya mean he wasn’t makin it up?”

“I... I felt kinda strange after... you know, after that spankin thing, an I just asked Lauren whether a lot a queers do that, maybe he did that with his man.”

“Oh Ennis,” Ellery put a hand over his face. “You knew he was gonna turn around an spill it all ta Wayne didn’t ya?”

“No, I thought he would say sure, his boyfriend spanks em every night. Hell Ellery I don’t know! I ain’t got that queer handbook, who am I gonna ask?”

“Me maybe...” Ellery said softly. “Never mind, it ain’t important. I just wish Wayne weren’t so fuckin curious about everythin I do in bed.”

“Maybe he got his eye on ya too.”

“Yeah but we covered that, remember? Desert island, coconut...”

“Yeah well yer the one with the looks an everybody swoonin after ya.”

“That is a new story, couple a weeks back you thought everyone had their eyes on yer ass, now they all got their eyes on mine.”

“I told you I am a jealous man, Ellery. It don’t get better.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 04, 2007, 10:58:19 am
Chapter 23:

Ellery shrugged. “He’s knockin. Any other day I’d answer it, sure.” He walked out of the bedroom into the kitchen, pausing as he glanced at the glass door, and his mouth dropped open. “Goddamn son of a bitch stalkin kid,” he fumed, and went to the door, unlatching it and pulling it open.

“Goddammit it, Sevigny, what the hell are you doin here?”

“I saw a cruiser on the other side, figured I’d come up the back. Hi there Chief... don’t you look sexy in shorts!”

“I asked you a fuckin question boy!” Ellery said, his voice tight with anger. Ennis was two paces behind him.

The smile faded on Sevigny’s face. “I came ta say hi. Don’t know too many high up rankin Sheriff’s department personnel who are queer ya know. Can I come in?”

“No. You stand right there, boy.”

“Oh. This is yer man,” Sevigny said, seemingly oblivious to Ellery’s anger, smiling sunnily at Ennis’s flushed face, and offered his hand. “I’m Brad.”

Ennis, too stunned to do otherwise, automatically accepted his hand and shook it. “Ennis.”

Ellery turned and picked up the phone, dialing 911. “Hey dispatch, this is Chief Cantrell, you got a call on an intruder at my residence, is there a car on the way?”

“Yes Chief,” said the cheerful female voice.

“Have the cruiser proceed, no precautions, intruder has surrendered and is in custody.”

“Understood Chief.”

“Advise the officer on duty he will be taking him into custody.”

Sevigny’s head turned. “Huh?”

“Understood, dispatch out,” and the dispatcher hung up. Ellery put down the phone, giving Sevigny an unpleasant smile.

“Congratulations, you are under arrest fer trespassin.”


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 04, 2007, 11:01:45 am
Chapter 24:

“Bye, Chief… bye… Ennis,” he said, and Ennis looked up, startled. “You ain’t bad lookin neither,” he said, and then Joe closed the door.

“See?” Ennis said.

“What?” Ellery set down his beer.

“He said, ‘you ain’t bad lookin neither.’ That means compared ta you.”

“It’s the hair, Ennis.”

“So if I grow my hair long like that all those young boys will start droolin after me like he’s droolin? That boy came by so he could make some time with you, an you know it.”

“Maybe.” Ellery walked out of the kitchen and moved the curtain slightly, watching Joe drive off with Sevigny in the back seat of his cruiser.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 04, 2007, 11:02:33 am
Chapter 24:

“You weren’t gonna have em arrested were ya?”

“I wanted to, that is probably why Wes sent Joe. He knows Joe would talk me out of it if I did anythin rash.”

“You do need a vacation then. We should go up higher, take the weekend, go ta Medicine Bow, Fort Laramie, something.”

“With you like that? Ennis, come on.”

“Or go wadin in the river, that won’t be too much trouble.”

“Wadin in the river sounds nice. Makin love in the tent, with me tied up in that lariat….” Ellery reached for his cigars.

“You are one horny sumbitch, Ellery.”

“Only when I’m in love, Ennis.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 04, 2007, 11:03:54 am
Chapter 25, Ellery and his diet...LOL

Ellery turned, leaning against the counter, and gave Joe a look. “Did that guy seem too nervous ta you?”

Joe shrugged. “It might be your witherin look, Ellery. You do still have an attitude on ya.”

“Somebody forged my fuckin signature ta check out that rifle, Joe. I wasn’t even in the county that day.”

“Good thing, wouldn’t want someone forgin yer signature with you standin by watchin em.”

“Oh, fuck off will ya?”

“You need a change a diet. Getting enough vegetables? Maybe some bulk.”

“I get plenty a bulk, I take it in liquid form.”

Joe shook his head. “I do not need ta interpret that remark.”

“No, you don’t.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 04, 2007, 12:42:26 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on February 04, 2007, 11:03:54 am
Chapter 25, Ellery and his diet...LOL


“I get plenty a bulk, I take it in liquid form.”

Joe shook his head. “I do not need ta interpret that remark.”

“No, you don’t.”

Yeah, Ellery and his diet - bulk in liquid form and homemade baked goods sliding down his throat - that boy sure is a caution!   :laugh:

Thanks for the quotes!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on February 04, 2007, 01:57:14 pm
Im kinda missing Joe -round's a shape- Tooey and his muffins!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 07, 2007, 02:44:40 am
hello rereaders!  :)

today's chapters: 26 - 30 http://louisev.livejournal.com/82055.html (http://louisev.livejournal.com/82055.html)

chapter 26 The Wrath Of The Sheriff


Ellery looked at Joe, went to the door, made sure it was closed. “I think it’s someone in Marigold’s office an he played with the custody book, or it was Amos himself.”

“You think he took the book an put an entry in it?”

“Custody clerk ain’t gonna look twice at an assistant D.A., Wes,” Ellery said.

“They got procedures down there. I want this... J.J.Jakes... I want ta talk ta him about this.”

“He ain’t on. He’s on swing shift.”

“Which means he comes in at three. I’ll call Grimes an tell em to come up with Jakes when he comes in, an have the day guy cover. I will handle this personally, Ellery. I don’t want you involved, for obvious reasons. This is interdepartmental.”

“Meanwhile we got a rifle that ain’t Worrell’s rife. Or ain’t the rifle Worrell was found with at the time he tried ta kill Ennis at your ranch,” Ellery said.

“You know that for sure?” Wes rubbed his eyes. “This is gettin worse an worse.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 07, 2007, 02:49:08 am
and more from chapter 26.

“Wes, has my car been released? I got ta call somebody to get it fixed an stop usin Ennis’s truck. He is gonna beat me black an blue when he gets the truck back and finds I wore the clutch out.”

“Yeah, it has. Go ahead an take care a that.”

“I also need ta bring em to the doctor for followup on his back.”

“Sure. That leaves... what?”

“Any clues from Allen’s wife in Cheyenne about his investigation or the person he had photos of.”

“His lawyer, too,” Wes said.

Joe spoke up. “I can look into those, Ellery can take care of his car an bring Ennis in to see the doc.”

“Thanks, Joe, it is good of you to help out considerin how much overtime you booked in July an in August so far.”

“That’s what we do here, help out,” he smiled equably, and Ellery shot him a grateful look and went to his office to call Ennis. Joe stayed in Wes’s office and closed the door, emerging several minutes later.

“You talkin to the boss about me huh Joe?” Ellery called from inside his office, setting the phone down.

Joe drifted over and poked his head in the door. “I told em yer overworked, overwrought, not thinkin straight, an if someone doesn’t step in an help out yer gonna blow a gasket, an Ennis gettin kidnapped hasn’t even penetrated yer head yet. An when it does you might need some time alone ta get shitfaced and empty a few magazines at the shootin range.”

“Nice a you ta put in a good word for my morale, there, Joe,” Ellery said soberly.

“Anythin for a friend an colleague. Just don’t miss my boy’s weddin.”


Thanks Joe  :) :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 07, 2007, 07:29:02 am
Hi everyone,

Life interfered a little bit for the re-reading. Sorry about that! Fabienne, thanks for keeping us on track...

From chapter 27, an interesting exchange that I had forgotten about:

“Sure, not a problem,” Dupree started his car, an older model Pontiac of the same vintage as Edna’s Bonneville, and followed the El Camino out the driveway and the few blocks to Natale Chevrolet, where he pulled up before one of the service bays and hurried in to leave his keys, then joined Dupree in his car.

“This is a little ol’ lady car, Dupree,” he commented, getting in. “And neat as a pin. Now I am wonderin if you are queer.”

Dupree snorted. “You can ask my last girlfriend if I’m queer, she’d reply “You mean Jeremy Octopus?”

Ellery laughed. “You shouldn’t grab on the first date, Dupree, only queers can get away with that.”

“You pretty much got together with Ennis on the first date didn’t you?”

“It took half a bottle a Glenfiddich, an it had been a fuckin long time fer both of us Dupree, it’s different. But yeah, if ya boil it down.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 07, 2007, 07:33:39 am
More from chapter 27:

“I suppose you aren’t into ranchin."

“My daddy ran pretty far away from ranchin, actually,” Ellery said. “An that was a long time ago for me.”

“Cantrells, yeah, I bet my Daddy knew yers or at least yer granddaddy. Sublette an Fremont counties, is where he had his ranches, as well as some big acreage in Montana.”

“Don’t go spittin out names an places, boy, I tried ta put that out a my head when my daddy died,” Ellery said, shaking his head in warning, a cloud passing over his face.

“Sorry,” Sevigny said.

“This goes a long way ta easin our minds there, Brad, now that we know yer name really is Brad.”

“I don’t want ta have nothin ta do with my family anymore. Not after my daddy treated me like he did when he found out I was queer.”

“I can understand that, you ain’t alone in that. I’m glad my daddy didn’t live long enough ta see my heart get broken by somebody who wasn’t a girl.”

Sevigny gave him a sympathetic glance. “At least my daddy don’t hate me enough ta cut me off from my trust fund, that would hurt the family pride.”

“Of course it would.”

“I imagine yer trust fund was bigger than mine though, cause mine is shared with five brothers and sisters.”

“Let’s leave me trust fund out a this, we came to ask you questions, Brad,” Ellery said brusquely.

“Sure.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 07, 2007, 07:35:18 am
Chapter 28:

“Thanks Wes.” Ellery left the phone booth and walked back from the corner of the apartment building to his truck. Sevigny was standing nearby, and he smiled as Ellery approached.

“I was wonderin where ya went,” he said.

“You got somethin else ta tell me?”

“Ya coulda used the phone in my apartment ya know.”

“It was connected to the computer I thought,” Ellery said, dodging the real reason.

“I have two telephone lines.”

“Oh. I’ll know next time I got ta call in a warrant.”

“You gonna arrest em? Prescott I mean.”

“Well, my associate is, yes, if we can find em.”

“You… serious about that guy you are with, Chief Deputy?” Sevigny asked.

“That would be a personal question, Brad,” Ellery said, raising an eyebrow.

“Yeah, it is I spose.”

“And I’m not answerin personal questions about my personal life, so you can dispense with the rest of em.”

“Well I was just wonderin… cause I think you are just the hottest thing on two legs, if ya don’t mind my sayin so…. Ellery. That Ennis don’t know how lucky he is.”

“I do mind yer sayin so, so from now on you can just think it, all right?”

Sevigny pouted. “Don’t take compliments too well do ya?”

“I’m here ta take statements, not compliments, Brad. You have a good day now, an stay indoors so ya don’t get spotted by members a that Brotherhood a the Cross.”

“Fine,” he turned away and walked back up the walkway to his apartment. “You have a good day too, Chief Deputy,” Sevigny tossed over his shoulder.

Ellery gave him a tight smile and climbed into Ennis’s truck. “Hottest thing on two legs, I guess he likes legs,” he said to himself.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 07, 2007, 09:37:14 am
Happy Hump Day, all!

Thanks, Fabienne!  Thanks, Leslie!

Quote from: MaineWriter on February 07, 2007, 07:29:02 am

From chapter 27, an interesting exchange that I had forgotten about:

“Sure, not a problem,” Dupree started his car, an older model Pontiac of the same vintage as Edna’s Bonneville, and followed the El Camino out the driveway and the few blocks to Natale Chevrolet, where he pulled up before one of the service bays and hurried in to leave his keys, then joined Dupree in his car.

“This is a little ol’ lady car, Dupree,” he commented, getting in. “And neat as a pin. Now I am wonderin if you are queer.”

Dupree snorted. “You can ask my last girlfriend if I’m queer, she’d reply “You mean Jeremy Octopus?”

Ellery laughed. “You shouldn’t grab on the first date, Dupree, only queers can get away with that.”

“You pretty much got together with Ennis on the first date didn’t you?”

“It took half a bottle a Glenfiddich, an it had been a fuckin long time fer both of us Dupree, it’s different. But yeah, if ya boil it down.”


I had forgotten that, too, Leslie - it was very interesting! 

Jeremy must have taken Ellery's comments about his little ol' lady car to heart - by the time Jeremy meets Nick he is driving a red Toyota!  I wonder if he threw some papers around in it so it wouldn't be "neat as a pin!"   :laugh:

And that comment about "Jeremy Octopus" - should have known that was fishy! (Yes, that was bad - you may groan now!) 

Thanks!

Marie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 07, 2007, 09:45:24 am
Quote from: mariez on February 07, 2007, 09:37:14 am
Happy Hump Day, all!

 ???  ???


Quote from: mariez on February 07, 2007, 09:37:14 am

Jeremy must have taken Ellery's comments about his little ol' lady car to heart - by the time Jeremy meets Nick he is driving a red Toyota!  I wonder if he threw some papers around in it so it wouldn't be "neat as a pin!"   :laugh:

And that comment about "Jeremy Octopus" - should have known that was fishy! (Yes, that was bad - you may groan now!) 

Thanks!

Marie



 :laugh:  :laugh: Do we have a groaning smiley?  :P
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 07, 2007, 09:50:17 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on February 07, 2007, 09:45:24 am
???  ???

Hump day, middle of the week, Wednesday. Another American colloquialism to add to your vocabulary, Fabienne!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 07, 2007, 09:54:02 am
From Chapter 30, we get contemplative Ellery:

He also wondered what he was going to do about the Red Stallion. He was without a bartender or bouncers, even though both Dupree and Ennis were now on the mend, but the security issue remained: and the next bartender he hired, he would have to do a full background check as part of the interview. Maybe it was time for him to consider selling it. But then again, under the shadow of a crime spree targeting queers, it would be a terrible business decision for him to close down an otherwise busy and lucrative bar in a desirable part of town, near the sheriff’s station, and then dispose of it.

Besides, he didn’t want to get rid of the bar. The Red Stallion was the right kind of bar: not exactly “down low," so therefore, men could find it if they know what they were looking for in the newspapers in the larger towns, and yet it was discreet enough that passersby perceived it as a private billiard hall or card club. That was how Ellery wanted it to stay, and closing the bar would destroy a fragile and discreet reputation the Stallion had built up: not threatening to the business district it was a part of, and providing a safe environment for queer men to meet and socialize. It was a social experiment, and one Ellery was very reluctant to end, since it would take away an important element of queer life in Laramie.
He reached for a cigar and lighted it, taking long, slow drags. There was too much to think about. He once believed that he thrived on stress, but it appeared this was no longer true. Age, experience – and perhaps most importantly, Ennis – had taken most of the thrill out of living a stress-driven life. He looked at their body armor, lying in the heap of hastily abandoned clothes, wondering how long it would be before they could both step out of the house and be certain they were safe.

He glanced down at Ennis’s face, the faint lines of age that had begun to appear around his eyes and between his brows, now smooth, youthful, as if he had grown young in sleep, transformed to an earlier, more innocent time when life seemed more certain, and he frowned, unhappy. He, Ellery, was responsible for much of the risk that faced Ennis now. Was it wrong for him to ask him to work at the bar, which had led to the beating and kidnapping? Or were there Langs always lurking somewhere, ready to lash out at someone preventing them from living on the edge of life, imposing themselves on the world around them as if they were entitled to it? He felt guilty, and his guilt made him consider, for the first time, whether it would be better for Ennis – no, for both of them – to sell the Red Stallion.

Ennis stirred in sleep, a tiny whimper, frightened-sounding, escaped him, and his eyelids squeezed together, tears squeezing out. Another small sound – from between slightly opened lips – and he fell back into his dream. Perhaps he was dreaming of the attack. It was worth asking Ennis about the idea of selling the bar – it was he who had been kidnapped, after all.


This is such a great chapter - love getting into Ellery's mind, where we hear his thoughts both as "Mayor of Queerville" about his "social experiment"  - and as Ennis's man about the weight of worry and responsibility that comes along with loving someone.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on February 07, 2007, 12:39:13 pm
*ack!*

I cant believe I wrote all of that!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 08, 2007, 07:49:01 am
Hello re-readers,

Today, chapters 31-35

http://louisev.livejournal.com/83372.html

Ennis took the wheel Friday morning at 7:30, refusing to allow Ellery to treat him as a cripple now that he had the doctor’s assurances in hand, and busied himself driving as Ellery fussed with a tie.

“What are ya fuckin with that for?”

“Couldn’t find my clip-on, don’t know how ta tie em,” Ellery said helplessly.

“I’ll do it when we get there. Clip on is under the bed.”

“What’s it doin there?”

“I dunno, you probably flung it there last time Mr. Coyote came sniffin around. You got a way a gettin rid a that uniform real fast, boy,” Ennis said with a little smile.

I find it suprising that Ellery, who wears a tie every day for work, doesn't know how to tie one!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 08, 2007, 07:50:16 am
More from 31:

Dowd stared at Ennis. “You got a problem, mister?”

Ellery stood up. “No, Mr. Dowd, you have a problem. Could you please have Mel Ruskin give the Sheriff a call at his convenience... this deposition is over.”

“Now hold on,” Dowd said, standing up himself, waving a manila folder. “This man...”

“The name is Del Mar,” Ennis bit out through his teeth, standing up, leaning on his hands as he loomed over the blond Assistant D.A. “An yer pissin me off somethin awful.”

“C’mon Ennis. If Mr. Dowd wants a deposition he can come down ta Wes’s office an be polite about it.”

“Cantrell, you are gettin in the way of our arraignment,” Dowd said, breath choking his throat. “You can’t walk that witness outta here!”

“Oh no? Watch me. Ennis?” Ellery offered his arm, and Ennis took it. Neither of them looked back at the speechless Dowd as he watched them go.

“I think yer wrong, Ellery,” Ennis said as they got to the stairs, disentangling his arm from Ellery’s as he reached for the bannister.

“What did I get wrong?”

“I think he’s just as bad as Amos Marigold.”

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 08, 2007, 07:55:13 am
Chapter 32:

“Ellery, what in the blue blazes has got Mel on the phone ta me first thing in the mornin for?” Wes blustered.

Ennis spoke up before Ellery could reply. “It’s my fault, Wes. That new D.A guy, the blond one, kept callin me “the victim” right ta my face an when I corrected em he pissed me off. Ellery just got me out a there so I wouldn’t punch em.”

Wes bridled. “Oh. That true, Ellery?”

“Pretty much, Wes,” he shrugged. “Ennis asked em a couple a times ta call em by name an he treated Ennis like he was a bump on a log instead a the injured party lookin fer justice in the eyes a the law.”

“He say anythin to ya that was insultin?” Wes narrowed his eyes further.

“He said, real smarty like, ‘You got a problem, mister?’ an before I could haul off on em, Ellery said fer Mel ta call the sheriff an the deposition was over.

“How old is this chucklehead, Ellery?”

“I dunno, but he sure likes the sound of his own voice, Mel. Didn’t impress me much.”

“An we know how much you love prosecutors, Ellery, don’t we?” Wes shook his head. “I’ll call Mel back an tell em his new stallion is throwin riders.”

“Victims, Wes,” Ellery said. “I am sure both of us can get a deposition out, but not when this new kid is throwin all sorts of high an mighty attitude an treatin Ennis like he is yesterday’s newspaper that his poodle just shit on.”

“I get the point, Ellery. Now let me go do my job.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 08, 2007, 07:59:31 am
Chapter 33:

“Ennis?”

Ennis opened his eyes and sat up. “Can’t believe I fell asleep in the middle a that.”

Ellery came over and sat down, reaching for his hand and caressing it between both of his own. “You okay, sweetheart?”

Ennis slipped an arm around him. “I am now. What about you?”

Ellery smiled, leaned in, and pressed his lips against Ennis’s neck, nibbling up toward his cheek. “Everythin’s all right. I shot the bad guy.”

“Ya shot em?”

“Yep.”

“He shoot at you?”

“Yep.”

“But yer okay.”

“Yep. I got a confession ta make, Ennis.”

“What’s that?”

“I’m the best shot in the Sheriff’s department. That’s why Wes puts me in charge a these kinda things.”

“He dead?”

“By now, maybe. He’s in an ambulance on his way ta Ivinson.”

“Do we get ta go home now?”

“Got ta take photos a the truck an all that for the case, but we could have the Chevy dealer bring the El Camino over an leave that all ta Dupree.”

“I want ta go home. I don’t feel good.”

“Yeah, okay. Then lemme call Natale an have em bring over the car, you want ta stay here fer now?”

Ennis nodded. Ellery stood up, then stepped close, slipping his long fingers along Ennis’s jaw, tilting his face up, then leaned close, brushing his lips against Ennis’s mouth, kissing him softly. “It’s gonna be okay Ennis. I love you.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 08, 2007, 08:05:29 am
Chapter 34:

Wes was walking back to his office when Dupree hopped up from his desk. “Wes, got ta see you. Corinne Allen – you know, the wife a victim One, just had her lawyer from Cheyenne send somethin registered mail, unopened, to us.”

“Oh? Anythin we can use?”

“You be the judge a that, Wes. I think we got ourselves a brand new suspect in the murder a Jim Allen.” He placed the envelope on Wes’s desk, and Wes pulled out the contents onto his desk.

Inside was a letter to a lawyer named Seamus Kelley, with an address in Cheyenne, was a set of grainy enlarged photographs, clearly taken at the same time. A view through a bedroom window, and the subject, in lacey, feminine lingerie, posing before a mirror: Amos Marigold.

“Holy hell...” Wes whispered. “I’ll call Mel’s office. We better get Amos Marigold in here for questionin. Mel is gonna be real unhappy to hear from me for the third time today.”

Dupree nodded. “I better call Ellery about this.”

“Leave Ellery alone, he had a good shoot, let em rest on his laurels an calm Ennis down before hell breaks loose again on Monday.”

“Right Sheriff.”

Wes picked up the phone. “This is the Sheriff, I need to speak to the D.A.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 08, 2007, 08:10:07 am
Good news in Chapter 35...

“Or was usin the same rifle. In addition, someone went by and threatened Rudy as he was leavin the Red Stallion.” Ellery opened his cigar box and lighted one. “You want yer own or are we sharin?”

“Sharin. I smoke less when we share one.”

Ellery raised an eyebrow. You cuttin down now?”

Ennis nodded. “Got short a breath the other day after jumpin out a the truck. Maybe smokin ain’t such a good idea anymore.”

“Sharin then.” He lit up, inhaled, then passed it to Ennis.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 08, 2007, 08:10:57 am
More from Chapter 35:

“There is somethin I feel like doin though, Ennis...” Ellery said, his voice dropping in tone and volume, and he set down his glass, putting the smoldering cigar in the ashtray.

“Huh, what’s that?”

“C’mere, sweetie,” he held out his arms, and Ennis rose, shuffling over to the sofa. Ellery opened his knees and reached up, pulling Ennis down into a kneeling position between his thighs, his hands sliding up to smooth back Ennis’s hair and then rest on his shoulders. “I love you, Ennis. I want ta kiss you an hold you an never ever let go.”

“That was a fuckin scary thing down there,” Ennis said, his voice rasping.

“I know. I hate it that you were in danger like that.”

“Both of us,” Ennis said, resting his cheek on Ellery’s shoulder. Ellery leaned back, and Ennis moved against him, bringing his feet down onto the floor and slipping his hands around Ellery’s back, clinching him into a close embrace. Ellery tugged on him and lay down on the sofa, Ennis moving on top of him, his mouth seeking Ellery’s mouth, closing on it in a passionate kiss.

“Oh sweetheart,” Ellery whispered against his mouth, his body now completely covered by Ennis’s, their thighs tangled together, Ennis’s arms around his back, holding him close.

“Mmmm...” Ennis replied, his tongue snaking out of his mouth and flicking between Ellery’s lips, passion sparked by insecurity and anxiety, and the muzzy stimulation of scotch and tobacco.

They kissed, the only sounds in the room the rustle of denim against Ellery’s sheer cotton dress uniform, his empty holster slipping off his shoulder as they moved together in a slow grind of rising passion, the wet sound of their mouths as they tasted each other, hungry for intimacy, and small moans mingling together as they aroused, gradually but steadily.

“Ya want ta go ta bed now?” Ellery eventually managed to gasp when they came up for air.

“Yeah.”

“Want ta sleep?”

“Nope.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 08, 2007, 08:51:51 am
Good Morning!  Thanks for the quotes, Leslie.  These chapters keep us moving at a fast clip - a lot of stuff hitting the fan!

Quote from: MaineWriter on February 08, 2007, 07:50:16 am
More from 31:

“I think yer wrong, Ellery,” Ennis said as they got to the stairs, disentangling his arm from Ellery’s as he reached for the bannister.

“What did I get wrong?”

“I think he’s just as bad as Amos Marigold.”[/i]

L


Mel has certainly done a piss poor job of vetting his A.D.A.'s!  Perhaps he was distracted by Bunny problems at home, but there's really no excuse for such incompetence.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 08, 2007, 08:58:23 am
From Chapter 32:

“Wes, what the hell did he say?”

Wes took a breath. “He said he doesn’t know why a man in my position would be mollycoddlin a bunch a sexual perverts an makin a felony case out of it an I should just let the queers beat each other ta death an good riddance.”

Ellery blinked, shocked. “You are jokin about that, right?”

Wes’s expression almost made Ellery’s heart skip. “I am serious as death, Ellery. I thought I heard a some close minded bigotry from the city councilmen an other good ol boys livin in the 16th century, but he was the first one ta actually dare open his collar an show how red his neck was without an invite. If I have my way that boy’ll be on a plane back ta Denver by the end of the week. We don’t need his kind a justice.”

Ennis looked down at his trembling hands. “Does this mean I got ta appear in court today?”

“No it don’t, because we are postponin the arraignment till Mel can get his own ass down here, even if it means the Langs can sit in Holdin before they get to see a judge. Ellery, take Ennis home, he don’t look too well.”

“I’m fine, Wes, really.”

“It wouldn’t be a good time ta be talkin back right now, Ennis. Yer on leave from yer job at my ranch, an I say go home. Both a you. Take the weekend off, I’ll have Dupree an Joe follow up on yer case right now, we’re waitin on Grimes an the ballistics, an the APB. This is just grade A number one bullshit an I am gettin to the bottom of it right fuckin now.”

“Yes sir. Thanks Wes.” Ellery got up, and offered Ennis his hand. To his mild surprise, Ennis took it, and as they clasped, Ellery could feel him shaking.

Ellery looked back at Wes as they went out. “You’ll have Joe call me if they get Prescott or anythin else turns up?”

“You bet. Now get outta here.”

Ennis let Ellery’s hand go as they left the office, but said nothing as he got in the truck. But he did not turn the key, instead looking out the front window, dazed. “I guess I can understand somebody hatin me after they get ta know me, or if I punched em or somethin. But ta wish somebody dead just because they’re queer....” his voice faded out.

“Ennis... Dowd is just a bigoted redneck asshole.”

“Ellery, I got ta tell ya somethin I ain’t never told anybody but Jack,” Ennis said, voice hollow.

“Sure.”

“When we get home, okay? After a couple a Glenfiddles.”

“Okay, Ennis.”

“In bed, holdin ya.”

“Sure,” Ellery felt a sense of alarm.



This exchange made me so angry . . . but, at the same time, I felt so sorry for Ennis.  His worst fear is a reality.  Thank God for Ellery and Wes and all the other good people in Laramie.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 09, 2007, 08:18:54 am
Hello all...

Chapters 36-40, and we start off with some real HAWTNESS in 36...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/84704.html

“Had ta look an see if it was you,” Ennis said softly.

“Huh?”

“You ain’t never fucked me like that before, boy,” he said, voice husky still.

“Like what?” Ellery was surprised.

“Like ... you were... I dunno. Dominant I guess.”

Ellery laughed, reaching over Ennis to get the box of cigars. “Dominant, huh?” He patted Ennis’s ass gently with one hand as he put a cigar between his lips.

“Yeah.”

“Maybe it was all that beggin you were doin, brought it out in me.”

“Maybe,” Ennis said, rolling onto his side gingerly. “I kept thinkin a you with that rifle, goin after that guy.”

Ellery blinked. “You were thinkin a that when I was fuckin you?”

Ennis nodded, blushing with sudden embarrassment. “Made me hot I guess. Didn’t know I was sleepin with no sharpshooter expert before.”

“I didn’t know that was a sexy thing ta be, Ennis,” he laughed, and lit up.

“Neither did I,” Ennis said, easing onto his back.

Ellery took a puff of the cigar and offered it to Ennis, who took a languid drag, handing it back. “So now what’re we gonna do? I think it just struck noon.”

“Take a shower, cool down, do it again,” Ennis said.

“Sure,” Ellery laughed again.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 09, 2007, 08:27:05 am
from real hawtness to real hilarious!

chapter 37

Officer Dan Chapman was manning the dispatch during the lunch hour Friday, monitoring for emergency calls from the cruisers on patrol. He noticed one of the channels from a cruiser on surveillance patrol was open, and adjusted the volume to hear the transmission.

“So whaddaya think they’re doin now?”

“Dunno, they moved away from the window. Makin lunch or somethin.”

“Nah. I think they’re gettin busy.”

“Gettin busy? They’s two guys in there, Buster.”

“You don’t know about the Chief then I guess.”

“What about the Chief – what is he, queer or somethin?”

“You bet. Queer as they come.”

“Don’t seem queer ta me.”

The first voice that spoke, laughed. “That’s because the Chief ... he’s the man a the two. You never seen him orderin people around in the station? Givin everybody guff just because he can? You can bet he makes that big ol’ cowboy get on his knees mornin an night fer him. You see the size a his hands, bet ya he’s hung like a stallion too.”

“Not sure I wanna be thinkin a the Chief that way, Simpson. I just ate my lunch.”

“Just sayin.”

Chapman shook his head and pressed the transmitter. “Hey Simpson, get off the fuckin radio, yer transmittin. Do yer fantasizin off the air okay?” then he slapped the transmit button once more, greeted by sudden dead air.

Roy Simpson gulped, face red as a beet. “Jesus Christ amighty. I hope he don’t tell that all ta Chief Cantrell.”

“Serve ya right if he did,” said his partner. “Now watch the damn house an stop makin me sick ta my stomach.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 09, 2007, 09:24:07 am
A little bit more from chapter 37:

Ellery went back outside. “Every time I call up there somethin weird is happenin.”

“What now?”

“Jim Allen’s photos turned up. He was takin pictures a Amos Marigold posin in women’s lingerie.”

Ennis spat out a mouthful of beer. “Amos what?”

“You heard me. Anyhow, I couldn’t talk ta Wes because he is in his office with the D.A. talkin about Amos, an Dupree thinks it’s a bad idea ta try ta leave town an he thinks we ought ta have a barbecue with him an his new girlfriend an Lauren an Simon an talk about reopenin the bar.”

“Huh. Not exactly gettin fancy up on the river, but the more I think about it, the more I think we’ll be lucky ta find any campsite anywhere that ain’t crawlin with kids an old ladies an families. River’ll be packed.”

“You mind havin a barbecue instead?”

“Nah, guess not, we got ta go shoppin.”

“I’ll make the calls an then we can both go shoppin.”

“This mean we ain’t gonna go do it again in there?”

Ellery turned to look at him. “You wanna fuck again?”

Ennis smiled sheepishly, and Ellery grabbed his hand. “Well come on boy, but yer gonna be on top this time.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 09, 2007, 09:29:11 am
Chapter 38:

A few minutes later, Ennis came up the walkway. “Well, they comin over?” Ellery asked, turning the skewers over and straightening up, wiping his hands on a makeshift apron he tucked into the loose waist of his cutoffs. He was shirtless, a slick sheen of sweat accumulating on his hairless chest. Ennis’s gaze flickered down and back up again, a faint smile on his face.

“Yeah, movin the cruiser. right now. You are really distractin in that outfit an little apron there, boy.”

“Only ta you, sweetheart,” he chuckled.

Simpson and Jewell exchanged glances as Simpson pulled the car up. “Seems like a straight enough guy ta me,” Jewell said. “I think you made up all this queer shit. “Ennis is his cousin, they even look alike fer Chrissake.”

“No I didn’t. Swear ta god, Jack. An did you see HIS hands? He’s got ta be a sizable boy himself.”

“Oh knock it off Simpson, they’re givin us shish kebab. Don’t be talkin trash.”

They rounded the walkway and came up on the patio, looking slightly awkward in uniform with Ennis and Ellery in cutoff denims, with Ellery shirtless. “Afternoon, Chief, everythin quiet here I guess,” Simpson said, offering his hand. Ellery shook, nodding and smiling, and then shook Jewell’s hand.

“At ease gentlemen, we figured it wasn’t quite fair ta have a delicious cookout dinner while you two boys ate peanut butter an jelly out of a bag.”

“Actually we was thinkin a gettin some Colonel Sanders from over on Center Street, you know the place, Chief,” Jewell offered. “But this looks a whole lot better.”

“Feel free ta fill a plate, we got snacks, an chips, an cookies, an yer kebabs’ll be ready in five minutes or so. Our guests won’t be here for another half hour so take yer time.”

“Gee, Chief, thanks!” Simpson asked, taking off his hat and setting it on an empty chair. Jewel put his hat on the same chair and they sat back. “Ya know, it ain’t that we mind surveillance... it’s pretty light duty, but sometimes ya run out a things ta talk about, ya know?”

“Yeah, then ya end up listenin to the radio,” Ellery said, smiling.

“Uh....” Simpson gulped, blushing red. “I guess... ya... heard... about that....”

“Well, not in gory detail,” Ellery said. “Just that my personal habits were subject ta some speculation.”

“I’m real sorry about that Chief. Jewell didn’t say nothin. If yer gonna reprimand, it was all on me.” Jewell looked grim, not making eye contact.

“Well ta tell ya the god’s honest truth, I was gettin busy in the bedroom. Housework is a damn pain in the ass, ya know?” He said, making a barely perceptible wink at Jewell as he looked at Simpson.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 09, 2007, 09:35:56 am
Chapter 40:

Dupree opened the box and lifted one out, and Ennis looked in as well, even though he said “I’ll have some a that three color stuff, Ellery, if yer bringin it out.”

“I’ll have one of these here,” Tatiana said, gently tugging her hand back from Simon.

“Excuse me, my dear,” Simon said, nodding up at Ellery. “I’ll have some of what Ennis is havin. What about you, Pookie?”

Ellery grinned as he turned away to go into the kitchen, and Ennis rose to start cleaning up some of the dirty dishes, bringing them inside to the kitchen. He leaned over Ellery as he went to the refrigerator and whispered, “Don’t you never call me somethin like that in front a other people.”

Ellery turned his head, his lips grazing Ennis’s cheek. “Whaddaya mean, lumpkin?” and Ennis swatted his ass smartly. Ellery shivered. “Oooh, don’t do that unless ya mean business snookems,” he whispered again.

“Ellery....” Ennis growled, and Ellery took the package of ice cream out of the freezer, chuckling as he went back outside.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 09, 2007, 09:37:01 am
And a good laugh at the end of Chapter 40:

“This is a real nice party, everybody. Thanks fer comin over,” Ennis said, his own color high.

“Why Ennis, that is the first you said besides ‘want some more shish kebab’ in the past hour!” Ellery said, nudging him.

“Well... feels good, havin friends over an just sittin around on the patio.” He lowered his eyes and then forced himself to look up at the friendly faces around him. “Never... had friends over like that before.”

“Then it’s about damn time,” Dupree said, clapping Ennis on the shoulder. “No time like the present, eh Ennis?”

“Hell no!” Lauren said, squeezing Simon’s muscular knee.

Ennis cleared his throat, biting his lip. “I sure hope... we can do this again... just, all sittin around like this... enjoyin each other’s company.”

“Sure we can sweetheart,” Ellery said.

“Ennis I am real happy you showed up at the Red Stallion that day... ya know that?” Lauren said. “You probably didn’t see me but I was real proud a the way you helped that boy, an was proud when you an Ellery got together.”

“Yeah, well. Um.. Thanks, Lauren.” He blinked rapidly, then looked over at Ellery, as if for reassurance, and Ellery gave him another wink and a warm smile.

“It was a good day fer all of us. Now everybody raise yer glasses to the reopenin a the Red Stallion!” Ellery said, picking up his wine, and they clinked glasses together.

Jewell adjusted the binoculars, leaning up against the windshield.

“Well? What’re they doin, Jack?”

Jewell handed the binoculars back. “They’re havin a queer orgy, Roy, you won’t believe it. They’re all of em naked holdin on to each other’s cocks!”

“Holy shit, no.”

Jewell gave him a disgusted look. “You sumbitch, Roy, they’re drinkin wine an eatin ice cream, just like normal human beins, what the fuck do ya think?”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 09, 2007, 01:15:12 pm
Hey, everyone -


Quote from: MaineWriter on February 09, 2007, 08:18:54 am
Hello all...

Chapters 36-40, and we start off with some real HAWTNESS in 36...


Quote from: belbbmfan on February 09, 2007, 08:27:05 am
from real hawtness to real hilarious!


Thanks, ladies.  We really needed hawtess and hilarious after the last stressful chapters!

We meet Tatiana in Chapter 39:

“Hey, look who’s here!” Ennis said, suddenly, setting down his spatula, and around the side of the house came Dupree in his camouflage pants and Army hat, hand in hand with a tall, muscular looking woman with a long braid of black hair as dark as Ellery’s, long features and a deep tan.

“Hi folks. I see we’re the fashionably late ones,” Dupree said, reaching first for Ennis’s hand. “Everybody, this is Tatiana Weeks, a friend a mine from Monterey an parts very far east.”

Ennis nodded, shaking Dupree’s hand. “Ma’am,” he said politely, shaking. Lauren and Simon got up to greet Dupree and his date.

“You were in the Army with Jeremy?” Ellery asked, taking his turn after the others had introduced themselves.

She nodded. “Yes sir,” she said brightly, her voice showing a strong southern twang. “Originally 7th Military Police Brigade.”

“Oh now don’t start that sir business on me… Tatiana is it? That sounds Russian.”

“My Daddy’s side. He liked the old names.” Her eyes flashed a deep brown, but the accent was pure Deep South.

“Welcome to our little impromptu get-together, Tatiana,” Ellery said. “If Dupree hadn’t already told ya, I’m his worst nightmare, Chief Deputy Ellery Cantrell, that there mannin the grille is Ennis Del Mar, and this is Lauren, my newly appointed chief bartender and as of now, my longest term employee at the Red Stallion Men’s club, and his partner, Simon.”

“Charmed,” she said brightly. “An yes, Jeremy did tell me you all are coupled up an all so don’t worry about havin ta spare my feelins. You would be surprised how many girls in the armed forces are lesbians who got ta hide pictures a their girls an burn their letters because a what people might think. I just don’t think that way, an I know Jeremy here don’t either.”

Ennis spoke up then, clearing his throat as though reacting to Tatiana’s speech. “You an … Jeremy… known each other a long time?”

Tatiana laughed, a rich sound. “Oh yeah. Only since I live in Atlanta an he lives out here in the wilds a Wyomin he don’t mention me much, do ya Jeremy?”

“I haven’t talked her into the beauties a my home state,” Dupree said with a modest blush.

“Oh so yer negotiatin is that it?”

Tatiana tilted her head. “I’m still in the Army, see, an tryin ta get a postin somewhere a little closer ta Jeremy, but it ain’t happened yet, so I spend my leaves out here while he shows me all the nice sights.”

Ellery nodded knowingly. “Now everythin makes sense.”

“He told me he started workin as a bouncer at a men’s bar I figured it’d be good fer em ta keep in shape. Without regular workouts a man like him can go right ta fat.”

“Hey, can we talk about something other than my fat?” Dupree said sulkily.

“Sure enough,” Ellery said. “Who wants lemonade, and who wants beer?”


So... Tatiana is muscular and in the military .... hmmm ... who does that remind me of .... oh, yeah --Nick!   ;D

Can't help but feel sorry for her, though - especially after this exchange in Chapter 40:

...At a lull between dinner and dessert, she asked Simon about his jewelry and opened a new discussion about his career as a custom jeweler, taking down his address to visit there since she would be in Laramie for a couple of more weeks.

“Are you shopping for something specific, Tatiana?” Simon asked, holding her long, calloused hand as if it were a long-stemmed rose, estimating her ring size.

“Oh, no, not really... always good to keep in mind... you know, fer the future,” she said, giving Dupree a significant look.


Marie



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 09, 2007, 04:06:55 pm
chapter 40

“I got gourmet truffles in that box right there, it was Simon’s idea," Lauren said.

“Truffles?” Dupree asked. “Ain’t those... mushrooms or somethin?”

Lauren giggled girlishly. “No, silly, they’re expensive chocolates. Try one, Jeremy.”

Dupree opened the box and lifted one out, and Ennis looked in as well, even though he said “I’ll have some a that three color stuff, Ellery, if yer bringin it out.”

“I’ll have one of these here,” Tatiana said, gently tugging her hand back from Simon.

“Excuse me, my dear,” Simon said, nodding up at Ellery. “I’ll have some of what Ennis is havin. What about you, Pookie?”

Ellery grinned as he turned away to go into the kitchen, and Ennis rose to start cleaning up some of the dirty dishes, bringing them inside to the kitchen. He leaned over Ellery as he went to the refrigerator and whispered, “Don’t you never call me somethin like that in front a other people.”

Ellery turned his head, his lips grazing Ennis’s cheek. “Whaddaya mean, lumpkin?” and Ennis swatted his ass smartly. Ellery shivered. “Oooh, don’t do that unless ya mean business snookems,” he whispered again.

“Ellery....” Ennis growled, and Ellery took the package of ice cream out of the freezer, chuckling as he went back outside.



truffles, yummy!!  ;)

Ellery and Ennis: yummier!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 09, 2007, 06:46:28 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on February 09, 2007, 04:06:55 pm

truffles, yummy!!  ;)

Ellery and Ennis: yummier!  :laugh:

Ha ha!  I second that, Fabienne!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 10, 2007, 05:16:43 pm
Hello readers,

today, chapters 41-46...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/85840.html

Ennis set the phone down. “Real hard ta say no ta that girl, but if she saw me she would see I’m banged up, no mistake.”

“Yer egg is hardly even scrambled now,” Ellery said, touching the still-yellow bruise on Ennis’s cheek.

“Yeah but she’s a smart girl, an we ain’t hardly even been alone.”

Ellery barked out a laugh. “You don’t want ta do without again do ya, Ennis? I swear ta god, I think yer tryin ta catch up on all those years ya went without fuckin.”

“Yeah well, maybe I am.” He plucked at Ellery’s tank top playfully. “If you didn’t dress like you was askin for it day an night.”

“I am dressed like a normal man dresses in the heat a summer, boy, now don’t be pullin my clothes off if we’re gonna go down an sweep up glass an clean up the bar.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 10, 2007, 05:19:50 pm
Chapter 42:

“Sorry about ruinin yer Saturday, Ellery.”

“At least it ain’t 3 a.m., or one a them tender moments you keep worryin about.” He opened the door and Wes stepped in. “Where’s Ennis?”

“Oh he’s... cleanin. You know Ennis.”

“Yeah he’s always cleanin when he’s at the ranch. Come on out boy, lemme see how mended you are!”

Ennis stuck his head out of the laundry room and then came in to the living room, looking sheepish in his cutoffs and t-shirt. “Sorry I ain’t dressed...”

“It’s yer own home, why get dressed for little ol me? Sorry ta be stealin Ellery away, but we got ta strike while the iron is hot an we got the warrant in hand. Maybe a couple a hours a so before we get up to the station fer bookin.”

Ennis nodded. “I’ll just be happy ta have all this shit over.”

“Ain’t no end a shit in law enforcement, Ennis, shit just keeps washin ashore, but we could use a little break in the tide, I agree.”

“See you soon, sweetheart,” Ellery said, and leaned over, slinging an arm around Ennis’s shoulder and kissing him on the mouth. Ennis stiffened momentarily and then relaxed. As Ellery pulled back, smiling at him, Ennis’s eyes flickered over to Wes, who was adjusting his hat, looking slightly away, but he could not detect any visible discomfort in his ruddy features.

“Be careful, boy,” Ennis said, his voice low.

“Sure enough. Let’s ride, Wes.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 10, 2007, 05:47:27 pm
Chapter 42:

“Then you might get a week off, yeah.”

“Well that sounds real temptin, even to a workaholic like me, Wes. Because I think I am about ta burst at the seams, an Ennis just turned down a return visit from his daughter because he didn’t want ta give up any weekend time with me, so he’s burstin at the seams too.”

“Yeah. That’s part a why I ain’t anxious ta get em back on the ranch unless he really wants ta go. An as soon as I can break you free it’d be good fer you an him ta take off an go on a nice trip with the horses an ferget about snipers an break-ins an dead bodies, while the weather still holds.”

“That is really nice a you, thinkin of us that way.”

“Yer like a son to us, Ellery. An thanks ta you, Edna an me feel like we got another son too. He is a real dear boy, quirks an all. He is very dear ta us.”

Ellery sat back in the comfortable passenger’s seat, stretching his legs. “I don’t need ta tell ya how dear he is ta me. An every time he gets on the phone with his girl, who is strugglin with money, I bite my tongue an think... is it time ta tell em about how much money I really got so I can maybe help out?”

“You ain’t said a word to em about that?”

“Hell no. He grew up dirt poor, Wes. I can’t think of anything would scare Ennis more, with the exception a maybe callin em ‘Pookie’ in public.”

“Huh?” Wes looked puzzled.

“Private joke. He hates pet names.”

“Oh, that I can understand. Edna an I have a very strict rule on that.”

“Oh, what’s she call you?”

“You ain’t gettin that out of me, even at gunpoint, boy,” Wes said, voice suddenly gruff. Ellery laughed out loud.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 10, 2007, 06:10:29 pm
Chapter 43:

Ennis shook his head, not quite understanding. “Why didn’t you go down to the station? Ellery ain’t here an he can’t help ya an I sure as hell can’t help ya. You want me ta call those guys who are watchin the house an go sit in their car? Somebody after you?” He cast an uneasy glance out, and from the vantage point of the front doorway, could not see the surveillance cruiser across the street, if it were still there. Perhaps they had gone on a lunch break: it was close to noon.

“Yeah, this guy from the Brotherhood is after me, an I could get shot.”

“Why didn’t you call Emergency from yer house?”

Sevigny shook his head. “Had ta get out, no time.”

“You could a gone to a phone booth. Cause boy, I ain’t lettin you in here, an all I’m gonna do is call Emergency an have somebody come get ya just like last time.”

“Ya can’t do that. If you let em arrest me I’ll end up in the same cell with some a those other guys from the Brotherhood an they’ll shoot me. I ain’t foolin, Ennis... I ratted them out an now they’re comin for me.”

Ennis looked doubtful. “Well then go across the street an there’s a police car there an just tell em somebody’s after ya an they’ll take care of it. I ain’t no police deputy!”

Brad smiled, looking Ennis up and down. “No, but ya live with one. What’s it like?”

Ennis stared at him. “What’s it like? What’s what like?”

“Ya know, fuckin a cop.”

“You shut the fuck up, kid!” Ennis roared. “I’m closin this door right now an call em. You can stand on the doorstep or run off, I don’t care what ya do, but don’t you come ringin the bell talkin no trash!” He stepped back to close the door, and Brad smiled up at him, nonplussed.

“I bet he’s great in bed ain’t he?”

Ennis slammed the door, shaking with fury. Goddamn son of a bitch kid. He went to the phone and dialed 911. “Uh yeah, this is um... Ennis Del Mar, at 92 Tourmaline Road, ya know, where Ellery Cantrell lives. Ain’t there supposed ta be a car here or somethin?”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 10, 2007, 06:14:03 pm
Chapter 44:

Ellery was home an hour later, and Ennis was folding sheets. When Ellery came in, he dropped the sheet on top of the bed and rushed to him, not waiting for him to drop his hat or unholster his pistol before sweeping his arms around him in a tight embrace, mouth hungrily seeking Ellery’s mouth.

Ellery did not resist. He had been quietly nervous about arresting Amos, and a thought nagged the back of his mind that another sniper might be watching outside the station, but the arrest and booking went quietly and smoothly, perhaps because of Wes and Mel’s precautions. He let Ennis’s needy mouth devour his, Ennis’s tongue wedging his lips open and forcing his desire on him, bowing his back with the force of the embrace.

“Jesus Christ, boy, you act like I been gone a week,” he gasped as Ennis loosened his hold and broke the kiss, the air thick with their rapid breathing.

“I got riled,” Ennis said briefly, as if that explained all.

“Lemme get this off. I got a little riled at puttin handcuffs on Amos Marigold. Somethin distinctly arousin about that act, I admit.”

Ennis grinned, standing back and letting Ellery toss his hat, pull out the pistol and unload it. “Yeah, ya should a taken a picture.”

“Oh we got pictures. Mug shot a Amos Marigold ought to make Page One a the Boomerang tomorrow mornin, judgin by the report Wes just faxed em in response to the inquiry.”

“Shit,” Ennis said. “I might just enjoy this weekend after all.”

Ellery walked into the bedroom, dropping his bullets carefully in the ashtray. “Shit, you made the bed an everythin. I got ta start payin you fer maid service, Ennis.”

“I’m even better at messin it up,” Ennis said, coming up behind him, then dropped his voice to a whisper. “Keep yer uniform on.”

Ellery looked over his shoulder. “You got some fancy idea or somethin boy?”

Ennis nodded. “Yep.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 10, 2007, 06:17:53 pm
Chapter 45:

Ellery let his legs down gently, softening as he pulled out, and looked down at Ennis, who had gone still almost immediately after he came.

“Ennis?”

Ennis looked up at him drowsily, a smile flickering on his lips. “Hmm?”

“You all right down there? Did I hurt ya...?”

Ennis shook his head. “Nope.” His eyes drifted closed again.

Ellery patted his cheek, and Ennis opened his eyes once more, then closed them, this time, his eyes rolling up. He reached his hand to pat Ennis’s cheek again, and Ennis’s head fell back against the bed, this time, completely out cold.

“Damn I’m good,” Ellery said, standing up and stripping off the rest of his uniform before climbing back in bed and wrapping his arms around Ennis’s wet, unconscious body.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 10, 2007, 08:48:28 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on February 10, 2007, 06:17:53 pm
Chapter 45:

Ellery let his legs down gently, softening as he pulled out, and looked down at Ennis, who had gone still almost immediately after he came.

“Ennis?”

Ennis looked up at him drowsily, a smile flickering on his lips. “Hmm?”

“You all right down there? Did I hurt ya...?”

Ennis shook his head. “Nope.” His eyes drifted closed again.

Ellery patted his cheek, and Ennis opened his eyes once more, then closed them, this time, his eyes rolling up. He reached his hand to pat Ennis’s cheek again, and Ennis’s head fell back against the bed, this time, completely out cold.

“Damn I’m good,” Ellery said, standing up and stripping off the rest of his uniform before climbing back in bed and wrapping his arms around Ennis’s wet, unconscious body.




I remember Chapter 45 very well - it's the first chapter I read of the Laramie Saga.  Little wonder I immediately went back and started reading from the beginning! LOL! 

In Chapter 46, Ellery and Ennis have a talk about Sevigny, and Ellery reveals something about their first meeting:

“Yeah. He might a been one a those Brotherhood members. Maybe he got kicked out fer bein queer, an fingered Will as someone they could pick on instead to get back in their good graces, then got cold feet.”

“You think he’s queer, or just actin?”

Ellery laughed humorlessly. “Ennis, I’d like ta think I can always tell when a man is queer. I was right about you, an I ain’t never told you how I knew, but him? I dunno. Maybe. Probably. But somethin ain’t right an he is lyin about somethin. Dupree thinks so too.”

“Whoa whoa whoa. How’d you know about me?”

“You mean besides you bein in the Red Stallion an tellin Bill you’d been with a man?”

“Yeah.” Ennis's heart was thudding again, and this time it was not with lust, but with a species of fear, as if his illusions about himself were evaporating suddenly, leaving him naked to the world.

“Cause when I came up the stairs that mornin you weren’t lookin at my face, boy, you were lookin at my crotch.”

Ennis blushed. “Oh.”

“Dead giveaway.”

Thanks for the quotes!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 11, 2007, 12:15:44 pm
hello re-reader!

today chapters 46-50 http://louisev.livejournal.com/87190.html (http://louisev.livejournal.com/87190.html)

from chapter 46:


Ennis came awake slowly, becoming aware of Ellery’s breath as it tickled his ear, the sticky tightness of drying come on his thighs, the solid weight of Ellery’s arm lying across his chest. Why did I do that? he wondered as his thoughts cohered, remembering how he dropped to his knees, heart thudding with desperate longing to take Ellery’s cock in his mouth. Then, climbing onto the bed and propping himself up for penetration. Begging. Ellery’s words came back to him: “I need my man inside me...” he had now experienced that keening need, which nothing else but being penetrated, could satisfy.

But why? The question circled back like an angry bull in a rodeo ring, pawed the ground, and charged him. Why now? It had to be more than simply Ellery’s skill with a rifle, his prowess in subduing an armed sniper, enhanced by his easy acceptance of his duty under fire. More than Ennis seeing him spring fearlessly into action to protect him when his truck window exploded, and more than his calm certainty in performing his duty, knowing there were men tracking him who wanted him dead. What was it, then?

“What’s it like? Fuckin a cop.” The words came back to him in the arrogant, sassy voice of Brad Sevigny. He had forced the encounter out of his mind, and hadn’t even told Ellery about it, that’s how angry he was about this boy, this kid – daring to presume, to ask things he would never tell anyone, invading that intimacy he had at one time, shared only with one, his precious secret, and now – with the one person he held dearer than anyone living.

“I bet he’s great in bed.” Stupid kid. What was he there for, and why did it trouble Ennis so much? He knew what he had to do, even if bringing up the subject confirmed for him his worst, most baseless anxiety – Ellery had to know.



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 11, 2007, 12:20:34 pm
from chapter 47:

Ennis made tuna sandwiches and soup, dishing up leftover fruit salad from dinner the night before, and they ate together on the patio, Ennis watching for hummingbirds. But he was distracting himself.

“Ya know, sometime yesterday mornin after we didn’t give depositions to His Royal Assholeness, you an me were sittin in yer truck an you said you wanted ta tell me somethin, in bed, with our clothes off, holdin on ta me, or somethin a that nature,” Ellery said.

“Oh,” Ennis set down his tuna sandwich, his face growing pale. “I was sorta hopin you’d forget about that.”

“Okay. I thought ya needed ta get somethin off yer chest, Ennis.”

“Well, I do.” He picked up the half-finished square of sandwich, nibbled on it, set it down again, picked up his soup spoon and set it down again.

“Well ya want ta tell me or are we finishin lunch an gettin naked again for this conversation? I don’t mind – just askin.


I just bet he don't!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 11, 2007, 12:22:12 pm
more from chapter 47 very painful memories for Ennis:

Ennis shook his head, tossed the sandwich down as if declaring surrender to his appetite. “That ain’t why. It’s on account a... the killin down in Sage when I was a kid.”

“Killin?” Ellery’s eyes widened slightly, but he kept his tone soft.

Ennis nodded, his eyes now fixed at a point between their plates, and he ran his thumbnail along a crease in the tablecloth, as if measuring the distance an ant could crawl in the time it took him to draw the next breath.

“Yeah. Couple a ol’ ranch hands lived up there. You know, queer men. My dad didn’t care for them one bit, always said somethin if he ran into one of em in town. Earl an Rich. I told Jack this story, about my daddy takin me an my brother K.E. out when I was about nine, an there was Earl, lyin dead in a ditch outside a town.” Ennis’s breath caught.

“Oh, Ennis,” Ellery said, his eyes shining now, and he reached out a hand, gently touching the hand that was working his thumb into the tablecloth. Ennis stopped moving his hand, accepting the caress as comfort, took another breath.

“Daddy laughed about it, that was the part that hurt. Anyhow... I told Jack if he was ta come through that door right then, an saw me lyin there with my cock stickin half in em, he’d go get his tire iron an do the same ta me right there an then. Jack didn’t talk too much about doin this ranchin thing after that.”

“Jesus god, Ennis. How come you never told me this before now? You know if you don’t ever want ta come out an tell people about bein queer that is entirely up to you, this ain’t a friendly world for our kind, but I never knew you of all people had the best reason of all ta keep mum about it.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 11, 2007, 01:33:44 pm
Good Morning -

Thanks for the quotes, Fabienne!

It was such a relief when Ennis finally told Ellery about Earl and Rich - so painful, but Ellery really needed to know.

From Chapter 49 - so many twists and turns to the mysteries:

They sat together in the interview room after Leon was returned to his cell, Ellery looking down at the table and then finally back up at Wes. “I … don’t get it, Wes, I really don’t. Why would Sevigny go to my bar an hire some boys ta go put Ennis in the hospital? This must a happened right before he called me on that Friday. Which means he lined up somebody ta go after Ennis at the same time he broke faith with the Brotherhood an decided ta start tippin me off. But I don’t get why.”

“Okay, let’s say he was involved in Wilkes’s death….” Wes said.

“That’s the other thing. Why would those red bandana boys be skulkin around in the dead a night just ta blow Wilkes away? He wasn’t even queer.”

“Maybe that is why,” Wes said.

“Huh?”

“I said… maybe that’s why. Sevigny said he was interested in em an Wilkes turned em down.”

“You think Sevigny had em shot because he turned em down?”

“Stronger motive than pickin some random guy who ain’t queer out a the summer school boys an just shootin em in the middle a the night. That’s the part that never added up. Koonz told the officer at the hospital that Amos Marigold gave em a list a names, an to look fer queer boys outside the Red Stallion bar, an if they got any a the names on the list they would get five hundred dollars, an fer any other known queers from the Red Stallion they’d get two hundred dollars. An Jim Allen an you an Ennis were on the list.”

“Okay, an Wayne an Rudy an Dupree weren’t on the list, an they probably mistook Dupree fer me because a the car.”

“An Wilkes never went to the Red Stallion. The Brotherhood weren’t huntin fer guys on the campus a the U. So…” Wes set a thick finger down on the edge of the table to emphasize his point. “So the Wilkes killin had nothing ta do with Amos Marigold. But if Sevigny was involved with these boys, he could a decided he could kill the boy who pushed em off by just hirin out an make it look like one a the contracts Amos had made.”

“An then afterwards, finger the Brotherhood guys an look like a hero," Ellery replied, nodding. "An have somebody beat up Ennis bad enough ta distract me so that I wouldn’t look at his story too careful, an maybe blame the kidnappin on the Brotherhood too, thus coverin his involvement with them as well. Or if things got tight fer Sevigny he could admit he used ta be a member but bought em off.”

“When he really paid em to kill a boy who turned em down.”

“Not exactly the kind a crime I like ta see written up in the paper, Wes. People are gonna think queers eat their own kind.”

“In this case, sounds like they do.”

“An Worrell, don’t forget Worrell,” Ellery said. “Come on, let’s get outta here, I got ta go find out if Ennis is feelin better. We can interview the others Monday maybe… I think we got enough ta charge Sevigny an put em in a lineup.”



Keeps me on the edge of my seat - and I already know what happened!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 12, 2007, 02:51:40 am
from chapter 50

The afternoon was waning… and so far the day had been consumed by Ellery’s work. This had to be bothering Ennis, he thought. He wondered if his exhaustion were a way for Ennis to escape from the inescapable reality of murder, assault, and hatred. He had avoided it all of his life, after the horror of seeing the consequences of men expressing their love for one another openly… and now, Ellery had convinced Ennis to take the chance he had avoided for his entire adult life, and his life – both of their lives -- had now been threatened repeatedly. Ennis had been beaten, punched, hit over the head, kidnapped and shot at – all in the same week. And yet – he had not blamed Ellery, or his job, or his position at the Red Stallion, for what had happened, even though they were largely responsible. If Ellery were not doing police work – he would not have been targeted by Brad Sevigny and his plot, and Ennis would not have been beaten and kidnapped. If Ellery had not been on Amos Marigold’s hit list, due to his professional contact with him, they would not have been shot at.

For the second time that day, Ellery found himself ruminating. About Ennis, about their relationship… and about his career. Ennis had said he did not want to get rid of the bar, even after what had happened to him there. Ellery wondered whether it would make Ennis happier if Ellery were to give up his job. But could he give it up?

He didn’t think Ennis would ever ask him to. But maybe… considering how threatening Ellery’s work had become to both of them – it would be the best thing to do. Ellery didn’t have to stay in this little house, pretending to be a middle class civil servant. That was his retreat from his past, from his family… from the legacy his father had also shunned. He could afford a luxurious home, as remote from the world as they desired, with as much land as they wanted, to ride through on horsebac, lock themselves away from the strife and violence of the outside world and be together – alone.

There was a great temptation in this – but even as he fantasized about taking Ennis away to a private wilderness all their own, he knew that he himself could never be happy this way. It would be like running away.

The only way out – was through. Capture and convict the killers, nail Sevigny on whatever conspiracy he was involved in, put the bad guys away. That is why Ellery worked when he did not need to. To make the world safer for his kind.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 12, 2007, 02:59:34 am
before i leave for work: today's chapters 51 - 55 http://louisev.livejournal.com/88524.html (http://louisev.livejournal.com/88524.html)


from chapter 51 Doing Nothing


“A pleasure ranch? You got that kind a money, Ellery? You want ta go retire to a pleasure ranch with me?” Ennis looked incredulous.

“I was just doin some thinkin about it.”

Ennis laughed. “I think I might really go crazy if I had nothing ta do but trot around on horseback all day fer no reason atall. An what – you just sit around an watch westerns on tape?”

“Maybe some mystery movies, like Columbo an such…” Ellery said, watching Ennis closely.

“Ya know something, boy? That sounds like the kinda life would drive us both stir crazy inside of a month. I can’t see you ever leavin yer job, Ellery. You live for that job.”

Ellery nodded slowly. “It is important ta me, Ennis. But… if it came ta that…” he stopped talking, picking up a crust and tearing it between his fingers.

“If it came ta what? I wouldn’t ever want ya ta leave yer job, Ellery. It’s part a what you are… yer good at it.”

“Thanks, Ennis.”

A curious look passed Ennis’s face. “You ain’t thinkin a leavin yer job because a what happened a me are ya?”

“The thought bubbled up.”

“You didn’t shoot at me, Ellery. None a that happened cause a you. Don’t you be thinking that way…”

“I do feel guilty, Ennis. I feel worried about ya, specially when I see you so tired like this. So I was thinkin about what we might change, if we wanted.”

“Quittin yer job an goin away an doin some pleasure ranch don’t sound like a good change, Ellery. Not fer me. I got ta work… work fer real, not fer fake. An you want ta make life better fer our kind, an you should be let ta do it.”

“I do. You don’t want me ta change nothin?”

“Well, maybe go ridin with me a little more, an take that other campin trip. Maybe if yer back is good enough – we could go up ta Brokeback an I can show ya the monument, camp out.”

“So we’ll go ridin tomorrow, have dinner with Wes an Edna…”

Ennis gave a mischievous wink. “An make sure ta leave early so we got plenty a time fer us ta be alone.”

“Now I can get through a lot a horseback ridin with that ta look forward to, Ennis.”

“Ya sure ya don’t mind?” Ennis asked.

“No, makin you happy is what makes me happy, an I do like ridin,” Ellery said. “Now let me give Wes a call an tell em how wrong I was,” and rose to go to the telephone.

“No, you c’mere first.” Ennis reached out an arm and took a swipe as Ellery got within reach, yanking him by the belt loop of his cutoffs and reeling him in, pulling him into his lap.

“Ennis…” Ellery warned, his response cut off by Ennis’s sudden, demanding kiss. Ellery melted into Ennis’s arms, his mouth pried open by Ennis’s thrusting tongue, hands wandering to squeeze Ellery’s ass, holding him in a captive embrace. Ennis broke the kiss, molten eyes burning with lust.

“I hope that clears up what my favorite kind a ridin is,” Ennis said softly, lips brushing Ellery’s mouth”

“Sure does,” Ellery panted, submitting once more to the demand of Ennis’s kiss.


I love these conversations between Ellery and Ennis.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 12, 2007, 07:50:31 am
Good Morning!

Thanks, Fabienne - I love those conversations, too - "favorite kind of riding" - that reminds me of what Ellery said very recently - he felt that he should "whinny!"  LOL!!

And speaking of more favorite things, it's not often that Ellery can get Ennis to have a conversation such as this outside the bedroom (Chapter52):

“This ain’t gonna hold me very long,” Ennis said. “Didn’t eat enough breakfast.”

“Didn’t eat no goddamn breakfast, Ennis,” Ellery said. “Unless that’s yer new word fer blow job.”

“Oh yeah.” He smiled and looked slightly away.

Ellery snaked his arm around Ennis’s shoulder. “What is with you about that? I got ta say, I was about convinced that you didn’t really like suckin cock, an then here you are two days in a row, like it was some new invention you saw in a book.”

Ennis blushed, pushing a slice of apple in his mouth instead of replying, and Ellery looked at him curiously. When he swallowed, he gave Ellery a sheepish look. “I dunno. I guess it just… got interestin.”

“Got interestin, huh?. Not that I’m complainin…it just… took me by surprise is all.”

“You like it,” Ennis said, a frown crossing his features. “How come you like it?”

“Yeah but I always liked it. You changed somehow.”

“I did?”

“Yeah. Think about it.”

“That ain’t the only thing,” Ennis replied unhelpfully.

“That’s true, but takes a while ta get used ta bein penetrated. It’s a skill.”

“Blow job’s a skill too ain’t it?”

Ellery gave him a wide smile. “Came pretty naturally ta you seems like.”

“That a compliment?”

Ellery leaned in and nuzzled his neck. “Sure is. Now we can go back. I think that roast a beef is callin ta you.”



Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 12, 2007, 08:20:31 am
In Chapter 53 we learn Edna's pet name for Wes:


“Now Brownie we were goin ta say grace since it’s Sunday,” she said in a scolding voice.

Ellery glanced up quickly, looking from Edna to Wes, whose ruddy cheeks flushed a darker red. “Brownie?”

“Edna…” Wes growled, setting down his knife and fork. “Fine then, a moment a silence everybody,”

Ennis and Ellery bowed their heads, and when Ennis glanced over at Ellery, he had a twist of a smile on his face, which made him smile, too.


Aww.. don't be embarrassed, Wes!  LOL!!!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 12, 2007, 08:39:05 am
In Chapter 54, a (partial) revelation:

“Just how much money a you got?” Ennis asked, voice hushed.

“A lot.”

“How much?”

“Ya know Ennis, money ain’t all that important –“ Ellery started, turning onto his own side in order to face the question straight on.

“How much, Ellery?”

“I dunno, couple a million by now.”

Ennis went silent, his face pale, and his hand dropped from Ellery’s hip. Ellery smiled up at him sheepishly.

“What’s wrong, Ennis? This mean my backrub is over?”

“Uh.... no, sorry.” Ennis gulped and reached a still-oily hand and grasped the top of Ellery’s hipbone, working his hard thumb over the bunched muscle there. “I guess... I just... don’t understand,” he mumbled.


 ..............

Ennis looked away, then forced his gaze back. “We poor folks have got a lot a notions about what rich folks are like.”

“Ya mean stuck up snobs who pay everybody around em ta suck up to em an spend all their time shoppin an impressin people?”

“Well yeah. More like they’re mean sons a bitches that don’t have time fer the likes a normal people.”

“I suppose a lot of em are, I don’t hang around with rich folks so I wouldn’t know,” Ellery said gently.

“So that’s why you were talkin about a pleasure ranch. I thought maybe you had enough ta sell the bar an yer house an move out in the country or somethin.”

“Yeah, ya caught me on that one. I could buy a nice place with a few hundred acres an still have too damn much money.”

“Damn, Ellery.” Ennis lay back on the bed, putting a hand behind his head, eyes wide. “Don’t you ever want ta... ya know – spend it?”

Ellery shook his head. “No. I like bein a detective, so I do that. An I like bein with you an lyin around watchin westerns an fuckin like animals an so I do that.”

Ennis gave him a little smile. “I’m sorry... you got a right ta be rich if ya want.”

“Thanks, Ennis. Now are you gonna get over it so we can go back ta just bein normal folks again?”

“I guess so, might take a little while,” Ennis said softly. “Ellery..?”

“What?”

“Thanks fer not bein one a them mean sumbitch rich folks.”


Leslie made a great observation in the comments on LJ about Ellery being "Mr. Vague"  here - that Ellery knows exactly how much money he has!  Yep, I had the same thought when I first read this - we can see that he's trying ease Ennis into the truth of his enormous wealth very slowly and carefully!  And Ennis thanking Ellery for not being a "mean sumbitch" - awwww - how sweet is that?

Marie 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 12, 2007, 09:22:30 am
Thanks for helping out on the quotes, ladies! I am behind on my re-reading. Hopefully I'll have a chance to catch up when I am travelling this week.

I feel like the license plate I saw this morning:

2MCH2DO

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 12, 2007, 01:59:13 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on February 12, 2007, 09:22:30 am
Thanks for helping out on the quotes, ladies! I am behind on my re-reading. Hopefully I'll have a chance to catch up when I am travelling this week.

I feel like the license plate I saw this morning:

2MCH2DO

L

Never enough time, never enough! Safe travels Leslie, we'll hold the fort for you  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 12, 2007, 02:07:48 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on February 12, 2007, 09:22:30 am
Thanks for helping out on the quotes, ladies! I am behind on my re-reading. Hopefully I'll have a chance to catch up when I am travelling this week.

I feel like the license plate I saw this morning:

2MCH2DO

L

Fabienne, this is too funny.  I had just typed almost the exact same thing and was about to hit post when I saw your reply!  Ahh . . well, I guess great minds really do think alike! LOL!!


Safe travels, Leslie.  LOL at the license plate - know the feeling.  You mentioned in the comments how much you loved these words, so ...  just for you from Chapter 55:

“You spoil me, Ennis, I swear.”

“Thank you,” Ennis leaned over, brushing his thumb across Ellery’s damp cheek, pushing loose strands of hair back from Ellery’s forehead and tucking them behind his ear. “It’s cause I love you.” Then Ennis leaned down and brushed his lips softly across Ellery’s lips, kissing him as gently as he had penetrated him earlier... giving him a subtle message.

That really is beautiful.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 12, 2007, 02:12:08 pm
Yes, that really is....

In the great minds department, I was just about to post the same quote! LOL

Okay, back to work...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 13, 2007, 09:01:52 am
Good morning everyone,

Today, chapters 56-60:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/89607.html

In the car on the brief ride down, Wes said “So how is Ennis doin after this weekend?”

“Okay, considerin my back started actin up after we went ridin an I let it slip I could drop a few thousand dollars on a paso fino to go out on the trail with em so he didn’t have ta give up ridin with me.”

“Uh oh. What posssessed you on this of all weekends ta hit em over the head with that?”

“Wes, he seemed so upset about my back. You should a seen em on Nellie, racin down that trail at full tilt. He was in clover – an I owe you an apology. You do know yer horse men.”

“That’s cause I seen em with horses, Ellery. He gives Nellie an Pal an Socks the same look he gives you, if I might be so bold as to suggest it. He loves his animals, an ridin em is about the best kind a pleasure – of that kind – a man can enjoy.” He cleared his throat. “You know what I mean.”

“Well not bein the horse man you are I guess that makes sense, but yeah, I felt like I had ta reassure em, an fact is, trottin on a horse is about the worse thing I can do, an the only horses I know that don’t trot in that way are paso finos. Rode one a long time ago when my daddy was alive – goddamn nice horses.”

“An goddamn expensive. So...” Wes pulled the Oldsmobile up to the court building. “Before we go in ta see Mel an the judge, what did ya tell em?”

“He wanted ta know so I told em I had a couple a million. That was enough ta make his eyes drop out an yeah that was probably not the best timin considerin all a what we went through this week. But shit, Wes, I got real worried about em an was thinkin about a lot a things.”

“Thinkin about runnin away from all a this an buyin a ranch away from everythin in the world, yeah, you talked about this before, back after the Creek murders.”

“Don’t remind me, Wes,” Ellery looked out the window of the car. “Let’s just go.”

“This talk ain’t over, boy.”

“Didn’t think so. I just got ta let it settle. Ennis is okay.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 13, 2007, 09:07:13 am
More from Chapter 56:

“But... why did you hire those boys to go after Ennis?”

Sevigny raised his head once more, eyes now moist with tears. He wiped his eyes with the back of his hand. “I figured if Ennis got roughed up an left in a ditch then you would be hot after the Brotherhood boys an wouldn’t be thinkin too clearly about the Wilkes thing.”

“An how did you know about me an Ennis?”

Sevigny glanced briefly at Ellery and then at the guard before fixing his eyes on a small window that led to an empty hallway. “My brother told me about this deputy sheriff down in the office where he worked, queer as a two dollar bill an bold as brass, he said, talked about it right in the interview when he went fer the internship. Said he even ran a queer bar in town, an his boyfriend was a bouncer down there. That’s how I found out about you.”

“An you thought you had an angle.”

Sevigny smiled sadly. “Yeah, I thought I had an angle.”

Ellery looked over at Wes, who nodded. “We’re gonna have the guard here get in touch with yer lawyer so we can get a statement about all this an get it all sorted. If it is true you didn’t actually ask those boys ta kill Wilkes then there may be somethin we can do on that with the D.A. It is good that yer comin clean on this, Brad. Better fer all concerned.”

Sevigny did not stand, but he looked up once more. “You know why I confessed?”

Ellery shook his head. He honestly did not know. “No, son.”

“Cause ya got nice legs,” Sevigny said with a wan smile.

Ellery shook his head in disbelief, and Wes opened the door, nodding to the guard. “This interview is over,” he said, voice a little too gruff.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 13, 2007, 09:11:10 am
Chapter 57:

“Yeah, I am a really good swimmer, could show that boy a thing or two. Maybe go up that lake... well, gettin a little late in the season for that high up... but still...”

“Where?” she asked

Ennis smiled, remembering. “Brokeback Mountain. Little lake up there on the Forestry land with a big ol’ cliff overhangin it. Used ta run right off it an dive in, me an Jack –“ his eyes widened and he froze, looking at Edna with his mouth still open. “Sorry... didn’t mean ta get inta that.” His gaze dropped to the forgotten biscuit on the plate in front of him.

“Who’s Jack?” she asked.

“Jack---“ Ennis swallowed on a suddenly dry throat. “Jack was... my ... first...” he ground to a halt, eyes stinging. He opened his mouth again. “Man. That I loved.”

She nodded, and once again, that warm hand reached out to pat his, now gone still, passive, having forgotten his appetite, breakfast, and everything but the endless beauty of that dropoff into the wide gulf of that lake, where they threw themselves off, heedless, into the sky, shivering naked together after the shock of hitting water, mouths finding each other and devouring the sudden wet taste, clambering out and rolling together, shivering, in the sun-heated grass, growing warm with the heat of arousal and the familiar rhythm of lovemaking. “I understand. He’s the one you lost ain’t he?”

Ennis nodded, momentarily mute, struggling for words. “Got ... taken from me. By that sumbitch Worrell.” He finally focused his eyes on Edna once more, returning to the present by an effort of pure will. “I don’t think I could stand it if somethin happened ta Ellery. I know what it’s like already. I don’t think I could go through that again.”

“Now Ennis... you know Ellery can look after himself. He does have a dangerous job, but it ain’t dangerous all the time like this. It’ll calm down again.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 13, 2007, 09:14:20 am
Chapter 58:

Ellery plucked one of the cherry muffins out of the box, and as he poured himself a cup of coffee, Dupree came in, looking disheveled. “You okay, Dupree?” he asked, wondering if he had had a scuffle, or as Wes had suggested, drunk too much the night before.

Dupree gave him a sad glance. “No, not really.”

“Well what happened?”

“Tatiana went back to Atlanta. Two weeks early.”

“Uh oh, trouble in Paradise,” Joe said softly, then pretended to go back to the filing job on top of his desk.

“So what happened, Dupree?”

“She broke up with me.”

“Whoa,” Ellery said. “You want ta talk about it?”

“Well, yeah, kinda.”

“Okay well I got maybe ten minutes then I got ta scoot.” Ellery led the way, holding his coffee and muffin. Dupree grabbed the last muffin and poured himself a cup and followed him to his office, slinking down into the chair opposite the desk.

“Okay, so ... this is kind of a surprise ain’t it?” Ellery said.

“I’ll say.”

“So how come all of a sudden?”

Dupree gave Ellery a tortured look. “You laugh an I’ll punch you in the mouth, Chief, superior officer or no.”

“I won’t laugh.” Ellery set down his coffee.

“She said she thinks I’m queer.”

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 13, 2007, 09:19:01 am
Chapter 59:

Dupree sat back down, glaring suspiciously. “Yeah, we’ve been ta bed. I’m sure you don’t want all the gory details... but she’s been a little – I dunno – let down in the bedroom department.”

“No, gory details about sex with women are on my list a things ta talk about with the Devil if I end up in hell,” Ellery smiled tightly. “But is this some new thing, an everythin was okay before or what? I know fuck-all about this girl, an I am supposed ta be interviewin James Wellesley about his brother Brad Sevigny.”

Dupree’s head came up. “Huh? Wellesley? Oh shit. I should a known that!” He rubbed his hand over his eyes. “I’ll let you get to it, maybe we can have a beer later or somethin.”

“Yeah except I haven’t gone down ta tidy up the bar an I was still plannin ta open tomorrow.”

“So let’s meet at the Stallion later, I’ll help ya straighten up an maybe you can give me some advice.”

“You don’t mind if Ennis is in on this?” Ellery asked.

“No, I think a Ennis an you as sort a well... two peas in the pod.”

Ellery nodded. “All right then, boy, you got yerself a date. Uh... you know what I mean.” He rose, and gave Dupree a pat on the shoulder. “Catch up on those after action reports, that’ll make the day go quick. Joe’s gonna go with me ta interview Koonz.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 13, 2007, 09:20:16 am
More from Chapter 59:

“Just relax, boy. You ain’t never gonna be able ta handle police work if ya panic when somebody wants ta talk to you about anythin,” Ellery said, trying to reassure him, and gave him a quick smile.

“I know... but... it is real embarrassing.”

Ellery put his hands together. “This is a mite sensitive, James, but I got to ask you this as a member a the staff a this department.” He paused, looking at the youth, who seemed to be fairly quivering in his skin now.

“All right...” he gulped.

“Did you talk to your brother Brad about the discussion we had durin your interview fer the internship?”

“Yes, yes I did.”

“You mention somethin to him about my bein queer as a two dollar bill an havin a live-in boyfriend?”

Wellesley dropped his gaze and then forced his head back up, and looked at Ellery steadily. “I guess I must a done.”

“I guess you must a,” Ellery said, his voice now soft. “Are you aware that your brother is now bein charged with conspiracy to commit murder, James?”

What color had remained in Wellesley’s face drained out at Ellery’s comment. “Conspiracy...?”

“An kidnappin. Ya want to know who he was charged with conspirin to kidnap?”

Wellesley stared openly now, his mouth now slightly open. “Who?” he whispered.

“Aforementioned live in boyfriend a yours truly, who was kidnapped from my home a week ago Monday an escaped with moderately severe injuries after being beaten over the head with a beer bottle by another of the conspirators, who are all in custody. An Brad found out about all a that from you.”

“Good lord,” Wellesley said. “Chief Cantrell... I didn’t know.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 13, 2007, 09:23:46 am
Chapter 60:

“What about William Wilkes – the student at the U?”

Koonz looked away slightly. “Cal told me he wanted me ta do that one... special favor for Brad Wellesley, the kid with all the money. But that didn’t seem right ta me... I dunno.”

“Why’s that?” Ellery asked.

“Well all a these ones on the list... Amos said were trouble makin queers destroyin the fabric a Laramie society. But then this boy... from what I know he wasn’t even queer.”

“Detroyin the fabric a society, huh?” Ellery looked like he was about to make another comment and then pressed on. “So you didn’t want ta shoot Wilkes?”

“He didn’t do nothin wrong. From what I know the boy wasn’t even queer.”

“Cause if he was queer then a course you’d blow em away.”

Koonz didn’t reply to the challenge. Ellery waited. Dupree spoke up, then. “Were you there that night? At the dorm?”

Koonz nodded. “Yeah. He was with Wellesley, an Cal took that rifle an just... shot em right there.”

“The rifle now,” Ellery said. “That is the one in yer possession when you shot at me an Mr. Del Mar down at the station.”

Koonz nodded.

“Where did you get that rifle?”

“Amos Marigold. Told us ta use that one.. it’d be hard to trace.”

“Actually it’s easy to trace.” Ellery looked at Dupree. “I may be the only man in history to be shot at by two different snipers in two different crimes by the same weapon. Koonz just fer yer information, Amos Marigold had that weapon stolen out a the property room as evidence in an attempted murder. You heard a Justin Worrell I assume.”

Dupree grinned. Koonz stared at Ellery. “Yer kiddin.”

“Worrell already tried ta kill me with that rifle. Guess it’s my lucky charm cause I ain’t been shot yet. So let’s get back to this list...” Ellery took out the list of names Koonz had written down after he had woken up from surgery and decided to confess.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 13, 2007, 01:38:47 pm
Great selection of quotes, Leslie - Thanks!

These chapters take us all over the place, don't they? 

A short one from Chapter 59, just because I love Jeremy:

As he got back to his office, Dupree hurried over. “Okay, Joe an Wes said I could go with you to interview Koonz.”

“Oh, what’d you have to give up?”

Dupree glanced over his shoulder, then dropped his voice. “Had ta tell Joe about Tatiana.”

“What’d he say?” Ellery dropped his own volume, replying softly.

“He said he always suspected somethin was off about me.”

“Huh. Thinks he’s got gaydar I’ll bet. Let’s go.”

“Gaydar?” Dupree frowned with puzzlement.

“Skip it, Dupree, let’s ride.”

I probably shouldn't be laughing at Jeremy in his hour of need/confusion - but that's just funny! 

Marie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 14, 2007, 02:52:46 am
hey everyone! It's 7.46 am over here and 1.46 am in Bettermost, Wyoming! Time to get today's chapters started.
chapter 61 - 65 http://louisev.livejournal.com/91164.html (http://louisev.livejournal.com/91164.html)

from chapter 61 Woman Troubles. Maybe I should just put the whole chapter here. I can't decide which part i like best. Okay, after though deliberation here goes:

“No offense taken, Dupree. Sounds like she’s makin excuses fer bein disappointed in yer sex life. Have you tried any of those secrets ta get a woman ta want you or some such advice? Not knowin what they are I couldn’t say.”

“Lickin em out,” Ennis said suddenly from behind the broom. “Women just love gettin licked out.”

Ellery blinked, a look of bewilderment turning into a grin. “There you go, take it from a formerly married man. You do that, Ennis?”

“When she made an issue of it, sure...” Ennis said. “An if you ain’t into that use yer hand.”

Dupree was blushing. “Ain’t quite ready fer all that. Ennis you sound a whole lot more experienced in the woman department than me.”

“Go figure,” Ennis said, his voice sounding strained. “Usin yer hand ain’t all that bad.”

“No, suppose not,” Dupree said.

“Er, Jeremy...” Ellery said. “I ain’t no expert on women or nothin, but you don’t sound like women are all that interestin ta you. You tried men?”

“No,” Dupree replied quickly.

“Are you sure you ain’t queer? Just askin here, Dupree, since the subject is on the table.”

“How do you make sure a somethin like that?” Dupree shot back, defensive, face red.

“Well usually it’s what gets yer cock hard, Dupree. If yer thinkin about naked women an titties an such all like that... then you would be straight. An if yer thinkin a naked men an cocks an muscles an all that... then you would be queer. It ain’t like rocket science or nothin.”

“I always think about naked women,” Dupree said, taking a deep breath. “Most a the time.”

Ellery’s brows shot up. “Most a the time?”

“Yeah, most a the time. Jesus Christ Ellery I was in the goddamn army!”

“Lot a naked men in the army, I hear,” Ennis said cryptically.

“Exactly!” Dupree said, slapping a hand on the bar. “Ennis understands.”

“I do?” Ennis blushed hotly.

“Yeah. You was married too... doesn’t that mean you... you know, go both ways?”

Ennis shook his head. “I got married cause that ... that’s just somethin everybody does. An so I wouldn’t have to go in the army.”

Ellery scratched his head. “Dupree are you tellin us... that you go both ways?”

“I’ve thought about men... sometimes. Never real serious. Probably not. Maybe I’m just curious about it. But no, I am definitely interested in women.”

“So when yer beatin off, you think about titties an naked women an such.”

“Mostly.”

“Dupree, what the fuck is this ‘mostly’?”


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 14, 2007, 08:22:14 am
Good Morning!

Fabienne, I know what you mean - Chapter 61 is a classic, isn't it?  So many priceless moments.  Picking it right up:

“Mostly!” he said, slamming down his beer. “You want me ta be honest, that’s the honest truth. Mostly. Every once in a while sometimes I think about a man, but mostly it’s women.”

Ellery turned to Ennis. “Ennis, you ever fantasize about women, you know, when yer jerkin off?”

“What a you askin me that for Ellery?” Ennis glared at him.

“It’s a simple question, Ennis.”

“You mean nowadays or in the past?”

“Any time!” Ellery said, frustrated.

There was a knock on the front door. “Pizza’s here,” Dupree said, bolting off his bar stool and heading for the door.

Ennis fell silent. Ellery looked at him curiously, as Dupree paid for the pizzas and returned with the boxes, setting them on the bar. Ellery hit the register key and opened it, handing a five to Dupree. “That cover it?”

“It was six for the two, but that’ll do,” Dupree said, accepting the five.

“Well?” Ellery fixed his eye on Ennis once more.

“Well what?”

“You know well what, Ennis.”

“Mostly.”

“Mostly!?” Ellery stared, agape. “You mostly jerk off about men, does that mean you sometimes jerk off about women?”

“Not very often...” Ennis said, still blushing. “I like Kate Jackson from Charlie’s Angels...an that one who played on the Avengers.”

“Diana Rigg,” Dupree said, nodding.

“I can’t believe you jerk off over women, Ennis!”

“They’re both crime fighters, though Ellery, so that counts for somethin,” Dupree said, grinning. “Let’s eat, dammit. Who cares who you jerk off over.”

“I do,” Ellery said, disturbed. “I never did it over women.”

“Maybe yer 100% queer then,” Dupree said, opening the top box. “Oh this is the pepperoni an onion one.” He slid the box off. “Maybe Ennis is 80% queer.”

“An what are you Dupree, 10% queer? 20%?”

“I dunno. But right now I’m about 120% hungry.”



 :laugh: :laugh: Dupree's line about crime fighters might be one of favorites ever.  And Ellery is just so completely appalled!  Such great stuff.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 14, 2007, 08:37:16 am
Chapter 62 is very aptly titled, "Green" - it's so funny seeing Ellery wearing that color for a change:

“You never once thought about doin it with a girl?”

“In some a my less sane moments I thought about it, but those were more nightmares than fantasies, Ennis.” He exhaled then, handing the cigar back to Ennis.

“Jesus, Ellery... so yer kind a like the opposite a those people who think queers are all disgustin fer fuckin each other in the ass, you think lickin women an fuckin em in the cooch is the bad part!”

“I didn’t say that.”

“You didn’t have to. An seems to me yer gettin a little green thinkin about what I did with my lawful wedded ex wife a whole fuckin fifteen years ago, too.”

“I ain’t.”

“You sure as hell are, look at you!”

“Just... don’t be talkin about it in front a me, gives me the heebie jeebies, Ennis. If I wanted ta see women naked I could a done that a long time ago. Never seen one naked an never had sex with one neither, an if I’m real lucky I’ll go to my grave never knowin what it’s like.”

“Yer jealous a me thinkin about those women on TV, too. That’s what I think.”

“No I ain’t.”

“You sure as hell are. You are so quick ta talk about how jealous I get when yer paradin around in yer cutoffs in front a men when anybody can see clear all the way ta France an you with yer chest all bare flexin yer arms an chest... an the minute you start actin jealous a me maybe wringin one out over a girl in a leather suit on TV maybe once ten years ago yer whole face is bright green.”

“Lauren don’t beat off over Charlie’s Angels, I don’t beat off over Charlie’s Angels...” Ellery argued, face slowly turning darker and darker red.

“But I do, once every fuckin ten years or somethin. You want ta know what I was thinkin about the last time I jerked off, Ellery?”

“Yeah.”

“I was thinkin a takin that black dildo a yers an greasin it up an tyin you up to the bed an givin you a hard workout an you beggin an moanin, that’s what I was thinkin about.”

“Well that sounds... pretty normal...” Ellery said, somewhat deflated.

“An you know what I was thinkin about the time before that?”

“What?”

“I was thinkin a gettin you up against a wall an stickin my tongue down yer throat an wrappin those legs around my waist an shovin my cock right in there an makin yer eyes roll back in yer head.”

“That sounds even better.” Ellery found himself grinning now, his mood dissipating.

“We better get in the car an get home cause I’m gettin pretty riled here, boy,” Ennis said, tossing the stub of the cigar down and stepping on it with the heel of his boot.

“We got an empty apartment up there, ya know, Ennis.” Ellery pointed at the stairwell.

“So we do. Come on, boy. Get up them stairs,” Ennis growled.



Well, Ennis managed to turn that around pretty quickly!  I love Ellery saying, "Well that sounds . . .pretty normal..."   :laugh:  Those crazy boys!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 14, 2007, 01:48:48 pm
Chapter 65, Wayne is always good for a laugh...

“Like you said, we been fightin,” Ellery said. “You want ta open that wine or sit there starin at it?” He stepped over to the credenza for the corkscrew and some glasses and then sat down next to Wayne as Wayne handed him the bottle.

“Really? You mean I was right? If I would a really guessed it looked like you two was fuckin but... you weren’t at home.”

Ellery blinked at him. “How do you do that, Wayne, you psychic or somethin?” He reached for the bottle and set down the corkscrew, opening the cap on the bottle of Drambuie.

Wayne smiled, lowering his voice. “You smell like you been fuckin, Ellery. Don’t take a psychic, just a nose.”

“Oh, yeah well. A little sex, a little fightin, all goes together. So yeah, we’re openin the bar tomorrow, an I got a new bouncer ta interview, gotta check em out good first.”

“So Rudy’s gone huh? An Lauren’s the new bartender?”

“Yep.”

“Oh you went at it upstairs! I get it.”

“Wayne can’t you keep yer fuckin nose out a our personal life? I swear!” Ennis grumbled as he came in, buttoning the last button on a fresh shirt, one of his old ones with grey and green stripes.

“How the hell did I know you were up at the bar screwin? I just stopped by on a Monday evenin with good news I ain’t dyin anymore an to celebrate gettin out a the hospital. Ya know, like friends do.”

“Ya might a called first,” Ennis retorted.

“You weren’t at home. I did call.”

Ennis sat down, glaring. “So ya come anyway?”

“I knew you’d be home eventually. And you were!”

“Well we both ain’t in too good a mood.”

“Speak fer yerself Ennis, Ellery seems to be in a pretty good mood. Ya must a got em off really good, Ennis.”

“Wayne!” Ellery and Ennis exclaimed together.

“Okay okay.... but ya know, it ain’t every queer couple gets along so good an really has a good sex life ya know, you two are real lucky.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 14, 2007, 01:50:46 pm
And more Wayne chuckles from Chapter 65:

“What are you askin about the Y for, Ennis?”

Ennis cleared his throat. “Edna said yer doctor told you ta go on a swimmin exercise thing. I was thinkin, we go ta all that trouble an get a Paso Fino horse an you should start swimmin too.”

“Ennis... what are you talkin ta Edna about my back for?”

“Cause maybe... he’s worried about you, Ellery. I know you ought ta go swimmin too, maybe we could go down there together," Wayne interjected.

“Now that I don’t think is such a great idea, Wayne,” Ennis said.

“How come, you don’t want me ta see yer man in a skimpy little swimsuit, lookin at his ass an all?”

“Exactly,” Ennis said, sipping on the Drambuie again and making a face.

“Well if ya want ta know the God’s honest truth, Ennis,” Wayne said lightly, picking up his own glass. “Yer a lot more my type than Ellery. He’s kind a too skinny fer me.”

“That a fact,” Ennis mumbled into his glass.

“You got the nice built shoulders an I bet you got rock hard thighs don’t ya? All that ridin an all.”

“Yeah, I do, Wayne. An you got those flabby arms an hardly any muscles at all which is why you don’t do it fer me in the least,” Ennis snapped back.

“Okay okay! I got somebody I’m with now anyway.”

“Yeah,” Ellery said. “Pete with no spleen.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 15, 2007, 07:16:27 am
Today's chapters 66 - 70 http://louisev.livejournal.com/92942.html

from chapter 66 Wyoming vs. Marigold. More twists and turns...

Mel looked at Wes. “I think it’s time Ellery knew what is at stake here.”

“What a you mean what’s at stake? Amos headin up an extremist group tryin ta shoot me an anybody else that smells queer is high enough stakes fer me,” Ellery said.

“You know the name Willard Friend?”

“City selectman or somethin.”

“Board a Trustees, and Chairman of the Board of Selectmen,” Mel said. “Willard Friend is the man who pretty much hand-picked Amos for his job four years ago, and has had a great deal to say about how we conduct ourselves here since then, much to my chagrin. And Mr. Friend is the one who personally tendered a recommendation for our former A.D.A. Lawrence Dowd. Claimed he knew him personally.”

“Yeah, and?”

“And we are working on getting some search warrants for Mr. Friend’s bank accounts because our search of Amos Marigold’s personal accounts show he has been making regular deposits over the past two years or so into a savings account and drew it all out early last week to the tune of about thirty thousand dollars.”

“When the shootings began,” Ellery said.

“We haven’t got much to go on, but I believe Amos may have been on the take all this time in order to cover up some business deals Friend has been involved in.”

“Ya know what kind they are?”

“Real estate developments that have required County conservation commission variances, easements, and permits. He got all the permits and variances, but from what little we know from making inquiries to the Conservation Commission, no hearings were ever held. Someone has been just rubber stamping the permits.”

“This for them apartment developments on the north side near the 87 turnoff?” Ellery asked, pulling on his lip.

Mel nodded. “Now you know why we haven’t had any arraignments going on the past week, I have had two clerks and a real estate expert looking up permits, property transfers, easements and construction plans.”

“So you think Friend has been payin Amos to spread out some money to get permits written so he can do some real estate developments that ain’t strictly legal.”

“We don’t know yet, just that there’s a little smoke here and a little smoke there. And if we get enough smoke we might find out that Friend was grooming Amos’s replacement for the same kind of duty.”

“I got the feelin we’re livin in Texas, Wes,” Ellery said, bewildered.




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 15, 2007, 07:22:03 am
chapter 67 Boss Again

This jobinterviewing thing just isn't going how Ennis wants it to!  ::)

Ennis went into the office and sat down, straightening some papers and stacking up a few invoices that had been set down for Ellery to sign and pay the next time he came in. Lauren returned, trailed by a man who must have been only only an inch or so taller than Lauren: about 5’10”, with dark brown hair tumbling over a smoothly tanned forehead, barely concealing the bright silver studs piercing both ears. He wore a sheer pearl-snapped western shirt through which Ennis could see dark, pert nipples poking up the fabric, rounded muscular shoulders and the swell of well defined deltoids. He pulled his eyes away and reached out a hand and stood, bootheels scraping the floor, and focused his attention on the friendly smile made pretty by a full lower lip with the hint of goatee beneath it. “I’m Ennis."

“Lance,” said the visitor as he shook Ennis's hand, voice sultry, reminding Ennis uncomfortably of Ellery’s voice when it grew deep and sexy. “I thought I was meetin... Ellery somebody.”

“He is runnin late, so ya got me. Also ya know about the background check I suppose.”

Lance nodded, taking a seat at Ennis’s gesture. Ennis sat down again, his eyes once again wandering, forcing himself once again to focus. “Sure. I imagine that’ll take a while.”

“He could a got it today but he had ta go ta Cheyenne, but that’ll be squared away tomorrow. I supposed ta do the interview here. So I guess, yer supposed ta tell me about yerself or somethin.”

“Well, lemme see, I’m twenty nine years old, worked on the oil rigs fer a while... work is gettin pretty scarce up there. Came down an did some construction fer that new hotel when they were layin the foundations an puttin up walls, but I ain’t no carpenter so that sort a dried up... then got somethin with the carpet company, puttin in industrial carpets, and lookin fer somethin I can do in the evenings cause that don’t pay fer shit.”

“So... uh... how do you know Simon?”

“Oh, I put in some carpet for em an we got talkin an became friends. That was a couple months ago I guess. He has given me some leads on some new customers for the carpet company too so my bosses are real happy.”

“So you been at this carpet company fer couple a months?”

Lance nodded, smiling. “Not goin nowhere, but construction pays a whole lot better an I can hardly afford a new pair a Calvin Kleins on that paycheck.”

“Sure enough. That what those pants are?”

“Yeah, I wear the drawers too, ya know, with the name sewn in.”

Ennis shook his head. “Never seen any a them.”

Lance was out of the chair and had his zipper half down before Ennis had a chance to draw breath, tugging on the waistband of some luxurious grey briefs stitched with the name “CALVIN KLEIN.” Ennis's eyes bugged out. “See? Real nice fit too.”

“Yeah.” Ennis barely managed the syllable, and felt sweat break out on his forehead as Lance rezipped and sat down as though nothing unusual had happened. “Should get me some a those.” He gulped on a dry throat, his face flushed.



 :laugh:  :laugh: I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Laramie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 15, 2007, 07:33:26 am
chapter 68 Assault at the Stallion

Let's start with a conversation between Dupree and Mr. Oblivious  :laugh:

Ellery went into the office with Lance and closed the door, and Ennis slouched down onto a barstool next to Dupree. “So you get all your stuff done down in Cheyenne?”

“Yeah, but I’m hungry as hell cause Ellery wouldn’t stop for food. He was worried about gettin back,” Dupree said. “Did you see what that boy said ta me?”

Ennis shook his head. “I think I was still blinded by his drawers.”

“He mentioned that too come ta think of it.”

“That’s what I mean, Dupree,” Ennis said, dropping his voice. “He... he was talkin about needin a job so he could buy some Kevin Kline jeans...”

“Calvin Klein, I think it is Ennis.”

“Right. Then right there he stands up an unzips an shows me these fancy grey drawers with Kevin – Calvin knitted right in, an I think I went blind.”

“Oh come in Ennis,” Dupree laughed. “Relax. He probably thought you was gonna compare Wranglers and Calvin Kleins with em. He’s a clothes horse. Worse’n Wayne.”

“Huh.”

“What, did you think he was comin on ta you?”

“Well, I dunno...”

“No, Ennis, he was comin on ta me.”

“How do ya figure?”

“Cause he shakes my hand an says “Hello there sailor.”

“I thought you was in the army, not the navy.”

“That ain’t the point, Ennis, don’t you know what ‘hello there sailor’ means?”

“It means he thought you was in the navy?” Ennis scratched his head.

“No, Ennis, it’s a come on line.”

“I got ta remember that, then.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 15, 2007, 07:37:47 am
chapter 68 Assault at the Stallion

But things get really nasty...

Where’s Lauren?” Dupree asked.

“Hm, dunno, I thought he was settin up,” Ennis said. He slid off the barstool and walked into the backroom, then opened the back door. As he did, he saw two men, heads obscured with balaclavas, let go of Lauren and raced down the alley toward the street. Lauren slumped against the side of the building, gasping, his face wet with tears. Ennis hurried to him, helping him to stand, then turned and shouted “Dupree, get out here!” then turned to Lauren. “What happened, boy?”

“Those guys... they...” he gulped, gasping for breath...”they said they was gonna take me an ...” he sobbed.

Ennis put a protective arm around him, holding his frail body up. “It’s okay, Lauren, you just come in an sit down, we’ll call emergency, okay?”

“Oh god,” Lauren murmured, voice soft. “Simon is gonna be so mad...”

Dupree raced out through the door. “Two guys were muggin em,” Ennis said. “They ran that way.”

“S’okay, I got my gun, go in an tell Ellery an call Emergency,” Dupree said, and set off at a run down the alley.

“They weren’t muggin me, Ennis...” Lauren said, as Ennis guided him back in through the door, fumbling with his shirt, which was untucked, and then Ennis noticed his pants were unzipped, his belt open.

“Jesus Christ Lauren. They do anythin to ya?” Ennis was shocked. Robbery and beating were one thing... sexual assault was something he had never imagined would happen to a queer man.


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 15, 2007, 07:52:51 am
Good Morning and Good Afternoon - it's probably lunchtime for you, Fabienne! 

Thanks for the great quotes -

Quote from: belbbmfan on February 15, 2007, 07:33:26 am

Let's start with a conversation between Dupree and Mr. Oblivious  :laugh:

[/i]

Good one, Fabienne!  He really can be, can't he?  Oblivious is adorable on Ennis!  :laugh: :laugh:

It just hit me -  when Nick first walked into the bar, Lance used the "Hello sailor" line on him, too - only this time he was right!  LOL!

Something else that just hit me during the re-read back in Chapter 66:

“Mr. Ruskin will be right with you,” said the clerk, a sour-faced youth who looked like a college student.

“Tell em the Sheriff is waitin, son.”

“Right, I got that,” the boy said, pouting, and Ellery looked a little closer. Hair a little longer than regulation but not flowing like Ellery’s, dark brown eyes and an olive complexion – he looked very familiar, but Ellery couldn’t place him. Suddenly he was aware that the boy was staring back.

“Can I help you with somethin?”

“Excuse me fer starin, you just looked familiar.”

The youth shook his head, his frown deepening. “I know who you are Mr. Cantrell, but that is only from the newspaper.”


The first time we meet Larry Esteban - now we know what that frown is about!

Thanks!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 15, 2007, 12:00:55 pm
Quote from: mariez on February 15, 2007, 07:52:51 am

Something else that just hit me during the re-read back in Chapter 66:

“Mr. Ruskin will be right with you,” said the clerk, a sour-faced youth who looked like a college student.

“Tell em the Sheriff is waitin, son.”

“Right, I got that,” the boy said, pouting, and Ellery looked a little closer. Hair a little longer than regulation but not flowing like Ellery’s, dark brown eyes and an olive complexion – he looked very familiar, but Ellery couldn’t place him. Suddenly he was aware that the boy was staring back.

“Can I help you with somethin?”

“Excuse me fer starin, you just looked familiar.”

The youth shook his head, his frown deepening. “I know who you are Mr. Cantrell, but that is only from the newspaper.”


The first time we meet Larry Esteban - now we know what that frown is about!

Thanks!

Marie

You're right Marie. Somehow I completely overlooked that.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 15, 2007, 12:12:17 pm
From chapter 68:

Lance went over to where Lauren was seated, looking dazed. Lauren looked up at him. “I guess somebody don’t want us ta open back up again,” he said slowly. “Could ya get me the brandy? It’s right up there on the third shelf, that half full bottle right there.”

“Sure,” Lance said, picking up one of the shot glasses Lauren had been polishing, and poured him a double shot, setting it in front of him. “I guess you guys really do need some security here.”

“Never used ta be this way,” Lauren said, accepting the glass and sipping on it.

Ennis hung up the phone, his face still registering shock “Lauren what’s yer number, I’ll call Simon an have em come down.”

“No! No... you do that he won’t let me work here no more.”

“Maybe that ain’t such a bad thing,” Ennis said doubtfully.

Lauren looked at Ennis. “I would a thought you of all people would understand, Ennis. After those Lang boys broke in an grabbed you, did that tell you it’s time ta move out a Ellery’s house an go back where ya came from?”

“Well, no, but that was...”

“Same damn thing,” Lauren said, raising his chin. “It’s the same damn thing. There’s some kind a anti-queer crime spree here an runnin away from it won’t solve it.”

They all froze when they heard a gunshot. “Oh Jesus,” Lauren whispered.

“We probly shouldn’t go out there,” Ennis said, his voice quavering.

“No, we shouldn’t,” Lance said, nodding, his own face pale with anxiety.

Then they heard a police siren.

Lauren reached out a trembling hand and rested it on Ennis’s arm. “He’s okay, Ennis.”

Ennis smiled faintly at Lauren. “Hope so.”



Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 15, 2007, 12:21:59 pm
Chapter 70...you know, Lance was an okay guy at the beginning...

Ennis looked around quickly, but Dupree had gone in the Gents to wash up and change, and Lance was nowhere to be seen. He came around the bar and up behind Ellery, slipping his hands up his elbows and resting on his shoulders, mouth close to Ellery’s ear.

“I hope you ain’t too tired fer a little gettin fancy.”

Ellery’s breath quickened and he leaned back into Ennis’s half-embrace. “You know that is pretty hard ta turn down, sweetheart.”

Ennis nibbled lightly on Ellery’s earlobe. “Good. Then you can sleep in tomorrow.”

Lance came in through the back door, giving Ennis just enough time to step back from the embrace, but the look on their faces told him he had interrupted something. “Sorry, folks. I hope everythin went well tonight.”

“Yeah with the exception a my bartender gettin assaulted everythin was fine. I’ll get on that background check in the mornin an barrin any surprises if you don’t mind showin up between six an one Tuesdays through Saturdays you can have Sundays an Mondays off, or if ya just want part time ya can do Thursday Friday an Saturday, those are when we’re busiest.”

Lance smiled. “I do appreciate it, that’s gonna really help me out a lot. I’ll take the full time if ya can use the help.”

Ellery nodded. “Sure can, looks like we chased everybody out now, so you can go home.”

Lance reached out and shook Ellery’s hand, then Ennis’s. “I appreciate it. And I just wanted ta say... I think you two make a great couple.”

Ellery smiled, and Ennis blushed. “I always thought so,” Ellery said. “But thank you.”

“Do you know... has Dupree got anybody special right now?” Lance’s voice dropped.

“He just broke up with somebody... he’s a little...vulnerable,” Ellery said, straight-faced.

“Ellery,” Ennis said, warning in his voice.

“Ya might want ta give em some time,” Ellery added, looking sidelong at Ennis.

Lance nodded. “Sure, thanks for the advice. I’ll keep cool an see how things go.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 15, 2007, 02:12:01 pm
Okay, so I jumped the gun a little bit, re-readers, but only because chapter 71 has some of my most favorite scenes of all...

71-75 is the assignment.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/94387.html

Ennis smiled, but there was worry in his eyes. “Let’s not have the intimate chat under the shower, Ellery, come on now.”

“Sure,” Ellery picked up the soap and began to lather himself, then turned the shower head to spray down over Ennis’s back, rinsing Ennis first and then himself. Ennis hopped out of the shower and rubbed himself down in his practiced five-minute routine. Ellery was somewhat slower, washing his hair and then rubbing it into a damp tangle once Ennis had gone into the bedroom.

As usual, Ennis had made the bed with fresh sheets, and had turned it back neatly. When Ellery saw the crisp look of the bed, he was always tempted to make a quip about there being no mints on the pillows, but he enjoyed Ennis’s attention to bed-making so much he didn’t want to joke about it and discourage him.

Ennis combed his hair back in three or four easy strokes of the comb and hung up the towel, sitting down on his side of the bed. Ellery came in, fighting with his hair, and Ennis said “C’mere boy, lemme do that,” and pushed back on the bed, opening his knees. Ellery sat down on the floor, lotus-style, and Ennis took his comb from him, gently tugging at the damp locks to untangle and smooth them, as Ellery leaned back with a soft sigh, rubbing his hands down Ennis’s shins and feet, resting them there.

“You like me combin yer hair?”

“Yeah, I feel like Cinderella gettin ready fer the ball,” Ellery said with a chuckle.

“Yer more like Rapunzel gettin ready fer the Prince ain’t you?”

“Oh yer gonna call me Rapunzel now, huh? Ain’t my hair a little dark ta be Rapunzel?”

“I dunno, why can’t ya have a black hair Rapunzel?”

“Because she had golden hair, Ennis.”

“Well you ain’t a beautiful young girl neither, so I can still call ya Rapunzel. There, yer all combed out.”

Ellery reached up to smooth his hair back, and turned to peek up at Ennis. “You don’t seem to be in too wild a mood, I thought you’d be rarin ta go an yer just sittin there combin my hair like my grandma.”

“I dunno... I guess I’m feelin lucky, want ta just sit here an be with ya.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 15, 2007, 02:14:39 pm
More from 71:

“Darlin,” Ennis said, looking down at Ellery as he thrust in once more, seeking that angle he had found with his fingers and now needed to give the ultimate pleasure...

Ellery’s smoky eyes fixed on Ennis’s face. “Yeah...” he breathed.

“I love you,” Ennis murmured.

To Ennis’s surprise, tears sprang to Ellery’s eyes, and his hands came up to caress Ennis’s arms and shoulders, giving light, encouraging touches. “I love you, Ennis...” Ellery gasped, moaning as his body was rocked by the sudden jolt of pleasure from Ennis’s change of angle. “Oh god right there... fuck me...” he whimpered.

Ennis had promised himself he would go slow... this was a time for tenderness. He obeyed, but increased the speed and force of his thrusts gradually, feeling controlled by the hard grasp of the ring, his own breath hitching up in speed as his heart thudded. It seemed he was suspended in air, his explosion held at bay, allowing him the freedom to take Ellery slowly, to feel the depth of his own pleasure while his hands roamed across the lean torso, tweaking first one then the other nipple, gripping the bobbing cock and stroking it in gentle time with his long, slow thrusts. The sound of Ellery’s whimpers convinced him that he had the right angle now to rub Ellery’s prostate with each thrust, and Ellery’s cock grew steadily more rigid, as he bucked up against Ennis’s steady rhythm.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 15, 2007, 03:36:22 pm
The trip to Mr. Tux!

The youth came back with two large garment bags and held them out. “Okay, we got a 32 long an a 29 long an let’s see how those go for you, dressin rooms are right in there.”

Ennis took the weighty garment bag and peeked in. “This got a ruffle shirt in it?”

The boy blinked. “It’s the standard formal black tie dress shirt, sir... it does have a ruffle on the collar..”

“I don’t want no ruffled shirt,” Ennis said, holding the bag away from him as if it were a dangerous snake about to bite him.

“Of course sir, if you will take the suit I will bring a plain collar shirt out for you. 15 inch collar I assume?”

“I dunno, guess so.”

“Try that, Ennis,” Ellery said, taking his own tuxedo and heading for the dressing rooms. I knew this wasn’t going to be easy, he thought, shaking his head.

and then....

“Uh... sure,” Ellery said with a shrug. “He’s a cowboy, what can I say?”

“I understand completely,” Jeff said with an indulgent smile. “Let me get you a plain one."

Then Ennis came out of his dressing room, looking down at himself. “Stand up straight, Ennis, lemme look," Ellery said.

Ennis’s tux, unlike Ellery’s, fit him like a glove. The jacket, falling smoothly over his shoulders, fell comfortably over his muscular frame, making him appear taller, more dignified. He smiled sheepishly. “What do ya think?”

Ellery winked. “You could be the bridegroom, boy.”

Ennis turned bright red at the comment, and his head turned rapidly, to see whether Ellery had been overheard. But Jeff was deep in the middle of a rack of shirts, looking for an unruffled collar in Ellery’s peculiar size. Sensing time passing, the youth looked up, “Gettin there, got to get through all these ta look for – ah ha.” He pulled a white shirt out of a forest of others, wrapped in cellophane, and brought it out for Ellery. “This matches the one we put with Mr. Del Mar’s here. You want to try it on?”


and to finish...

“Okay.” As Ennis went back into the dressing room, Ellery came out, this time wearing the tuxedo trousers and the shirt only, his hair falling around his shoulders. Ennis’s breath caught in his throat.

“Yer beautiful, darlin...” he murmured, then blushed hotly, dashing into the dressing room before Ellery could reply. Ellery smiled at Jeff.

“He sure does like formal wear,” Ellery said.

“I guess so,” Jeff replied with a bewildered smile.


Ahhhh.....
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 15, 2007, 09:31:38 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on February 15, 2007, 02:12:01 pm
Okay, so I jumped the gun a little bit, re-readers, but only because chapter 71 has some of my most favorite scenes of all...

 . . .

Ennis combed his hair back in three or four easy strokes of the comb and hung up the towel, sitting down on his side of the bed. Ellery came in, fighting with his hair, and Ennis said “C’mere boy, lemme do that,” and pushed back on the bed, opening his knees. Ellery sat down on the floor, lotus-style, and Ennis took his comb from him, gently tugging at the damp locks to untangle and smooth them, as Ellery leaned back with a soft sigh, rubbing his hands down Ennis’s shins and feet, resting them there.

“You like me combin yer hair?”

[/i]

We love you combin' his hair, Ennis!   :) 

Yep, this chapter turns me into that puddle of goo, Leslie!  :)  - this part in particular:

Quote from: MaineWriter on February 15, 2007, 02:14:39 pm
More from 71:

“Darlin,” Ennis said, looking down at Ellery as he thrust in once more, seeking that angle he had found with his fingers and now needed to give the ultimate pleasure...

Ellery’s smoky eyes fixed on Ennis’s face. “Yeah...” he breathed.

“I love you,” Ennis murmured.

To Ennis’s surprise, tears sprang to Ellery’s eyes, and his hands came up to caress Ennis’s arms and shoulders, giving light, encouraging touches. “I love you, Ennis...” Ellery gasped, moaning as his body was rocked by the sudden jolt of pleasure from Ennis’s change of angle. “Oh god right there... fuck me...” he whimpered.

Ennis had promised himself he would go slow... this was a time for tenderness. He obeyed, but increased the speed and force of his thrusts gradually, feeling controlled by the hard grasp of the ring, his own breath hitching up in speed as his heart thudded. It seemed he was suspended in air, his explosion held at bay, allowing him the freedom to take Ellery slowly, to feel the depth of his own pleasure while his hands roamed across the lean torso, tweaking first one then the other nipple, gripping the bobbing cock and stroking it in gentle time with his long, slow thrusts. The sound of Ellery’s whimpers convinced him that he had the right angle now to rub Ellery’s prostate with each thrust, and Ellery’s cock grew steadily more rigid, as he bucked up against Ennis’s steady rhythm.


There's really nothing to say after that, is there? 

Thanks!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on February 16, 2007, 02:46:03 am
Quote from: mariez on February 15, 2007, 09:31:38 pm
We love you combin' his hair, Ennis!   :) 

Yep, this chapter turns me into that puddle of goo, Leslie!  :)  - this part in particular:

There's really nothing to say after that, is there? 

Thanks!

Marie

Can I join in that puddle of goo ladies?  ;D I love the hair combing, so sweet and nurturing. And Ellery really does love being taken care off, no matter how cranky he has been getting lately in 'A Small Circle Of Friends'!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 16, 2007, 09:27:06 am
Chapter 75:

“Okay,” Ellery said, pushing his hair away from his face. His eyes were shining, filled with sadness. “You remember... I told you that before I fell in love with you, there was only one, an Beagle was the one...”

Ennis nodded, now mute, his fingers tracing the veins on the back of Ellery’s passive hand, caressing it lightly. “What’d he say in the letter, Ellery?” Ennis’s voice was soft, but tinged with a growing anxiety.

Ellery’s reply was a sigh at first. Then he looked up at Ennis. “Ennis, I love you. You are the only man I love. I stopped lovin Beagle a long time ago, an I want you to know that ain’t no lie.”

Ennis nodded once more, anxiety creeping up his spine in the form of a cold shiver. “I love you, too, Ellery. Ya know I do.”

“Yeah, I know. Beagle wrote ta tell me he was sorry, an that he loved me.”

“He loved you a long time ago or he loves ya now?” Ennis said, voice strained to cracking.

“He loved me then an he loves me now,” Ellery said, sighing. “An he was just gettin it off his chest.”

“He don’t want nothin from you?”

“Oh, well I think if I went rushin off ta see em he’d be pleased as punch, but he didn’t ask me to, no. An I ain’t gonna. I threw the letter away, an I ain’t writin back.”

Ennis nodded.

“But I still feel like I got kicked by a steer.”

“I think I understand,” Ennis said slowly, grip tightening on Ellery’s hand.

“Watchin em drive away like that... I imagine it was somethin like what you went through... maybe.”

“Yeah, maybe worse. I knew Jack wasn’t gonna drive back up or call me on the phone an say he changed his mind, an I didn’t have ta sit there an wonder if he was gonna, because he was gone.”

“Maybe.” Ellery drained his glass, glancing over at the stove. “Food ready?”

“Yup.”

“Let’s eat then. Maybe ya can snuggle me later an make it all go away.”

“I care about you too ya know, Ellery,” Ennis said, voice soft.

“I know ya do. I wasn’t gonna say nothin, then I thought – he is the one who cares about me, why not?”

“I do care about ya darlin. So lets get some food in ya.”


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 16, 2007, 02:02:37 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on February 16, 2007, 02:46:03 am
Can I join in that puddle of goo ladies?  ;D I love the hair combing, so sweet and nurturing. And Ellery really does love being taken care off, no matter how cranky he has been getting lately in 'A Small Circle Of Friends'!


Come on in, Fabienne - it's nice and  . . . gooey! 

Great quotes, Leslie - thanks.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 17, 2007, 09:04:08 am
Today, chapters 76-80

http://louisev.livejournal.com/95652.html

Chapter 76, "Ennis's Soft Side" is full of the stuff we love, beginning with hair combing...

Ellery pulled off his t-shirt and cutoffs and stood under the shower, letting it pelt him with hot water, needing relaxation more than washing, and when he stepped out, he rubbed a towel vigorously through his hair to give Ennis something to comb through, then went into the bedroom, towel tucked around his waist.

“You don’t look bad in a little skirt,” Ennis said. Ennis had stripped, and was laying naked in the freshly-made bed, sheet and coverlet turned back neatly.

“That mean you changed yer mind about me dressin like a faggot?” Ellery said.

“All depends. I wouldn’t want ya goin out that way, but with those skinny hips a yers... turn around...” Ennis said, gesturing, and Ellery did a slow turn for him, pausing to give him a view of his backside, snugly outlined by the towel. “Mmmm now that’s a nice sight. Like it better naked,” Ennis murmured.

Ellery peeked over his shoulder as he let the towel drop.

“Now c’mere boy, let yer fairy godmother get ya ready fer the ball,” Ennis said, a curious smile on his face. Ellery climbed on the bed and sat down between Ennis’s outstretched thighs and Ennis leaned forward, chest brushing against the narrow back, and picked up the comb. “I really liked doin this last time. You feelin better now?” he asked, cheek brushing Ellery’s shoulder as he leaned in.

“Yeah. Ya know, I don’t particularly like it when boys down at the Stallion go lookin at my rear end, Ennis, but when you do it I like it a lot.”

“Maybe it’s cause ya like the one doin the lookin.”

“Ya mind... if I say a couple things on my mind?”

Ennis tugged lightly at the first tangle he came to and then began to work the tangle out, separating the strands with patient fingers. “Nah, go ahead, darlin.”

“One thing Beagle never done, all those months we were goin at it in the dorms. He never once said I looked good, or gave me a kiss or a hug or nothin. It was like I wasn’t there.”

“Shit, Ellery, that ain’t no way. I mean, I ain’t the most affectionate man in the world...”

“Well yer a damn sight more affectionate than most a the men I come across,” Ellery sighed, his voice tinged with sadness.

“That’s my luck an their misfortune then,” Ennis said, trying the comb once more through the difficult length of hair he had just unmatted. “You have got some thin hair boy, ya know that? That’s why it tangles.”

“You must like combin out horses.”

“Yeah, but this is nicer, yer hair is softer,” Ennis murmured, leaning in and placing a soft kiss on the back of Ellery’s neck. “Ya want me ta rub yer back after I finish yer hair?”

“Oh that’d be great.”

Ennis pulled on the comb gently, the damp strands now falling smoothly in waves down Ellery’s neck, and Ellery lifted his head. “I love that, you make even combin my hair feel like sex, ya know that?”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 17, 2007, 09:05:47 am
More from 76:

“Thank god fer that.” Ennis moved down a little and dug his fingers into the flare of muscle on the top of Ellery’s ass. “That feel okay?”

“Yer hands feel like heaven, Ennis, you know that.”

Ennis leaned down and placed a soft kiss between Ellery’s glistening shoulders. “An all a you feels like heaven ta me, boy.”

Ellery turned his head, glancing back at Ennis leaning over him. “You know, that is why I love you, because you treat me like ya respect me.”

“Thank you, an so do you,” Ennis said, face reddening.

“An I really do like this soft side a you, Ennis.”

Ennis dismounted as if he were getting off a horse, swinging his leg back over and settling down next to Ellery on his side, keeping a warm hand on one shoulder. “Ya want some snugglin now, yer all loosened up an all?”

“You bet,” and Ellery turned onto his side, slipping his long arms underneath and around Ennis’s muscular back, clinching in a tight embrace. “Never get enough a this.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 17, 2007, 09:11:39 am
Chapter 77, Edna and Ennis discuss men!

She nodded, sitting down opposite him at the table and picking up her own coffee. “Have a biscuit. You like yer startin ta take after Ellery, I swear you been thinner every week.”

“Maybe one size is all. Only because I been doin a lot a physical work. I never was very heavy, Edna. An when I came ta Laramie I’d been sittin watchin Gene Barry on Match Game an not much else.”

“Ya mean Gene Rayburn I think, Ennis.”

Ennis blinked. “So who the hell is Gene Barry?”

“He was the one who played the detective in Burke’s Law... you know, drove a Rolls Royce, lived in Los Angeles... real handsome man.”

“Oh. Oh. Yeah I mean Gene Rayburn.” Ennis blushed, grabbing his coffee mug and sipping nervously.

“Why Ennis, if I didn’t know better I’d say you found Gene Barry a handsome man.”

“Maybe so,” he choked out over a mouthful of coffee.

“You don’t have ta be shy a that, Ennis, seems like we tend ta like the same kind a men.”

“Oh yeah?” he said, curiosity piqued. “What a you think a Jack Nicholson... you know, the one in ‘The Postman Always Rings Twice’?

“Oh he was very handsome. Devilish too.”

“Yeah. I couldn’t believe it when he knocked the husband over the head an then he woke up. I thought sure he was a dead man.”

“See, we do like the same kind a man. You should a seen Wes when he was twenty, Ennis.”

Ennis’s eyes widened. “Edna, you don’t want me ta be lookin at yer husband that way...”

“I’m just sayin,” she raised her chin a bit defensively. “That man put Jack Nicholson an Gene Barry ta shame, that’s all.”

“Fair enough. Well I think I’m gonna go work with that cute little mare with the spotty nose. Feel like callin her Calico.”

“Go ahead, Ennis, maybe we should name em all... might make em more saleable if they got cute little names on em.”

“I could do that. Listen, Edna... me an Ellery are thinkin about what ta do if he gets a chance ta take some time off, an we decided on gettin one a them fancy Spanish Paso Fino horses. You an Wes know anybody deals in them around Laramie?”

“Hmm.... let me make a call. I know Owen down at Bar-T bought some for one a his customers an he got em not too far away, so I know they got em here. A Paso Fino, huh, what are yer other horses gonna say when you get a fancy Spanish horse in there?”

Ennis grinned. “I dunno, maybe they’ll say ‘hasta luego’ an go on strike.”

Edna giggled. “Okay, well you enjoy yer biscuit there an I’ll make a couple a calls. Glad ta see Ellery’s thinkin a doin some kind a exercise. I worry about that boy.”




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 17, 2007, 09:15:36 am
Chapter 78, a funny phone conversation between Simon and Ellery:

“Good.” Ellery hung up the phone and then dialed Lauren’s number. To his surprise, Simon answered the phone.

“Hey Simon, I was lookin fer Lauren, he around?”

“Out shoppin, Ellery, what’s up?”

“He doin okay, Simon?”

“Yeah, he didn’t really get hurt or nothin, just scared. He was afraid I was gonna tell em not to go to work again, so I went down to the bar with em last night ... you know, sort of bodyguardin em.”

“Simon that was real sweet a you. Was he okay?”

“Yeah, Wayne came in with his friends lookin like he was never sick a day in his life an sang some songs an danced some.”

“Well I got some good news for em, I have hired a security company ta come an have armed guards on the front an back at the Stallion every night he’s there. Now all I got ta do is hire another server. Seems like Lance is gonna work out, I’m happy ta say, but we really do need someone else servin, that place is hoppin even early in the week now.”

“I’ll think about it, I got a couple a people in mind, but I like ta go through the grapevine an make sure they’re okay, you know, clean an not into drugs or nothin.”

“I appreciate that, Simon, I can’t tell you. My own record on hirin good people is limited ta Lauren, Ennis an Dupree.”

“That ain’t so bad, that Dupree is a stand-up guy considerin he’s straight.”

“Lemme ask you somethin, Simon – do you think he is?”

“Dupree --? Straight as an arrow, Ellery. You should see those boys shakin their booty tryin ta get em ta look – that boy just ain’t into boys.”

“Well Ennis don’t look at boys neither.”

“The hell he don’t. He probably don’t look when you’re around... but Ellery, he’s just behavin for ya.”

“Uh... that’s nice ta know. That Ennis is normal queer an all, that is.”

Simon laughed aloud. “Now I hope I wasn’t tellin tales out a school – you ain’t gonna spank em or nothin are you?”

“No, I don’t do the spankin in the family, Simon.”

“Oh so it’s like that?”

“Uh huh,” Ellery replied dryly. “It’s like that. I’ll be droppin by the Stallion ta set up with these new security boys, you got my number here at work in case you find a candidate for bartender for me?”

“Sure enough, Ellery. An you mind yer backside goin home,” he chuckled, and Ellery hung up.

“I’m gonna pay for that remark, I just know it.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 17, 2007, 09:23:47 am
Chapter 80, Ellery buys a horse!

Ellery called to Gonzales as Milagro came up the side of the fence toward him and Ennis. “Is she old enough to canter?”

“Oh yes, senor, she can canter and gallop,” and Ellery squeezed the horse’s middle with his thighs, leaned in and clicked. “Come on Millie, canter for me,” and she raised her head, letting her legs fly out and took off at a lively canter. Ellery reined in almost immediately to the smoother gait, a wild grin on his face, and dismounted.

“What a horse!” he exclaimed, face flushed with excitement.

“Gee Ellery I ain’t never seen you so excited about a horse before.”

“Ennis did you see how she walked? Did you see that?” Ellery rubbed his hands.

“I never took my eyes off her. That has got ta be the silliest thing I ever saw on four legs, but if it makes yer back feel okay, then buy her.”

“But I can’t call her Milagro. It’s got ta be Millie.”

Ennis chuckled. Gonzales grinned. “Senor, you can call her anything you wish once you have paid for her.”

“How old is this one?”

“She is six, senor. Fully trained for show and for trail, with all shots and of course, first year of stud service if you wish to breed her.”

“Then let’s look at the papers, I don’t need to try out any others.”

Gonzalez blinked. “Will you want to talk about our financing program?”

“I don’t need financing. You can call the bank to verify my check is good, I wasn’t about ta bring cash,” Ellery said quickly.

“Of course not. Are you... Milagro is for sale for $3,900, Senor.”

“Okay,” Ellery said.

Gonzalez looked at Ellery more closely. “You are going to buy this horse and pay for her all today...?”

“Yeah, if you can have her delivered to the Brown Horse Ranch next week some time,” Ellery nodded. “Why, doesn’t anybody pay up front for these horses anymore?”

“Only breeders, Senor,” Gonzalez said, voice hushed. “Please follow me into the office.” Ennis stifled a chuckle as he followed Ellery and the trainer to the office attached to the stables. He knew exactly how Gonzalez felt.




Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 17, 2007, 10:05:19 am
Thanks, Leslie - lots of really great stuff!  So many little things I had forgotten about.  Edna and Ennis's little talk was priceless - I loved hearing Edna talk about her hunky 20-year old Wesley. 

I'd also forgotten about Ellery and Simon's phone conversation - that really was too funny!  Simon spilling the beans about Ennis - and Ellery spilling the beans about spanking!   :laugh:

I liked this part in Chapter 79 - our boys sure do love each other:

“Keep the change, okay? Now let’s say,” Ellery put the car in gear and pulled over to the parking lot to stop, and they dug into the bag of sandwiches together, “I keep my job an we get a horse ranch here around town. You know, a real ranch.”

“But I like workin at Edna an Wes’s. An I don’t have ta think about all the complicated part, I can just do the trainin an cleanin an stuff.”

“Okay...” Ellery bit into his hamburger, thinking about what Wes was angling at earlier. “But okay, you promise me this. If you ever get a hankerin ta have a ranch a yer own... you’ll let me know?”

“Sure, but why don’t I just stay workin fer Edna an Wes?”

“You can. I was just...”

“You was just what.. you tryin ta apologize fer that stupid ass letter from Beagle? Forget it, ya threw it away, I know you ain’t pinin over em anymore. Either that or yer the best actor in America.”

“I’m a good actor, but I ain’t the best actor in America, Ennis, an this ain’t about Beagle. This is about... this is about my havin money. Even though I don’t use it, I got enough ta make some dreams come true... if ya had some ta make come true, Ennis.”

Ennis waved an onion ring at Ellery. “There’s only one wish I want ta make come true that hasn’t yet. I want ta see you on one a them fancy Spanish horses and dance up the trail to camp on the summit a Brokeback Mountain.”

“Okay, will do.”

“An Edna got me the name of a horse ranch that deals in Paso Finos an it ain’t but fifty miles away an we can go up there tomorrow if we don’t have ta do no foolin around gettin ready for that weddin.”

Ellery’s face broke into a smile. “You did that? Really?”

“Yep. So I’ll shop fer the damn shoes tonight but we’re shoppin for a fancy horse tomorrow, deal?”

Ellery finished his hamburger in two more bites, then set his drink down in the drink holder, then started the car up once more. “Next stop, shoes.”


I miss Millie - and I'll bet Millie misses Ellery.  I hope they can all do some riding again when the weather warms up!

Thanks!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on February 18, 2007, 09:20:22 am
A Gift from the Reliquary!

Some of you who contributed at Leslie's behest to "Louise's Reliquary" may have noticed a distinct lack of appreciation on my part for your thoughtful Laramie Saga-related gifts.  That is because within 12 hours of my returning home to Saarbrücken from London (I never unpack immediately under the best of circumstances) was beset by the bone infection that caused me to miss a large amount of work and required nearly a month of open incisions, unbelievable pain, and several disgusting and best-not-discussed procedures, antibiotics allergies and the suspension of my hard vegetable diet which persisted into the winter.  Can't lose weight on carrots and celery if you cant chew them.  My mouth is healing now, my regular dentist Herr Dr. Kessler took an x-ray showing that almost half of the bone has regenerated since the operation in early September and is reintegrating itself into my jaw.  All good news, and he was very pleased.

And now since I am spending Sunday in advanced sorting, I ran across a CD in a red case from ... somewhere.  I opened it up and saw it was labeled "For Louise" and here is what was in it!  Noted "From Natali"... thanks Natali!

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Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 18, 2007, 10:11:30 am
It is always fun to "re-find" a present....I remember the evidence kit. LOL

Okay, re-readers, chapters 81-85

http://louisev.livejournal.com/97995.html

In 81, we had the wedding:

Ellery had expected Ennis to make some distance between them when they entered the church, and was surprised to find him sticking behind him like a burr, eyes wide as he tried to negotiate the bustling crowd in the narrow aisle between the pews. Then the church organ began to play, and almost as if the milling group were suddenly caught up in a game of musical chairs, they took places as quickly as possible. Ellery slid into a pew about six back from the front of the church, and Ennis plopped down next to him.

“This okay?” Ennis asked, the wide-eyed expression of anxiety barely subsiding as the swell of organ music nearly drowned his voice.

Ellery nodded, smiling reassurance at him, but did not try to touch him. The wedding guests fell silent as the pastor came out.

The ceremony was brief and recognizable, at least to Ennis, and as the young couple, faces flushed with excitement, held hands at the altar, he found himself thinking about his own wedding in the Riverton courthouse, over twenty years before. All he could remember feeling, then, was fear. Fear of Jack’s anger that he was marrying, after the intense passion they had shared that entire summer, which had fueled his every fantasy from the moment they parted ways... fear that Alma would discover his shameful secret and denounce him in front of her family... fear that he would not be able to pass for a normal man and actually carry through with making love to her during the honeymoon.

And in fact... that last fear had proved a self-fulfilling prophecy, because even fervent fantasies of Jack failed to produce an erection when they were finally alone together in the dimly lit ranch cottage outside of town where he was working for the now long-defunct Meyers cattle outfit.

“It’s all right, honey, you’re just a little overexcited is all. You had too many beers,” Alma had said solicitously, hiding her disappointment by redirecting her attention to the wedding gifts and reviewing the list with him. As he sat next to Ellery, he felt the heat of shame wash over his face as he remembered his failure with Alma on his wedding night, and he felt Ellery watching him, flinching away from eye contact. He tried to hunch down, inconspicuous in the pew, so that others would not read in his face the shame written there. “I am a queer man, an I got married too, an never wanted ta lay hands on a woman, no way, no how,” he imagined himself saying to that imaginary pastor whose eyes bored into his when he asked “If anyone knows of any reason why these two should not be bound in holy matrimony...”

He knew a reason. When the pastor read that line from the marriage sacrament, Ennis stared down at his clenched hands, willing the moment to pass. “I know a reason,” he could hear his thoughts echoing. “I’m in love with Jack Twist. Why didn’t I speak up? Why won’t I hold Ellery’s hand in public?” His chest thundered with the sound of his racing heart, and he forced his eyes open, reached out his hand, and slid it over to where Ellery’s left hand lay passive on his knee, grasping it tightly. Ellery looked up, surprised, and returned the grip, holding on, and then gave Ennis a warm smile, a smile that lighted his smoky eyes to bright silver. This is the reason.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 18, 2007, 10:16:40 am
Chapter 82, we meet Bunny...

Mel smiled at Ennis and nodded, extending a hand, and Ennis shook, then gestured as though to remove his hat to Bunny Ruskin and found it absent, then clumsily offered his hand to shake. Bunny Ruskin laughed, her voice melodious. “I take it you don’t go far without your hat, cowboy,” she said, and Ennis realized with mild shock that this aging woman, perhaps older than Edna, was flirting with him.

“No ma’am,” he said, and blushed.

“Wes told me you are just starting to break in a new string of fillies down at his ranch. I got a granddaughter with a birthday coming up and could use a new mount,” Mel said to Ennis.

“Well if you want ta come look you could pick one out an I can start in on her right away,” Ennis said, relaxing immediately. “ I just started workin with a chestnut, she has got the cutest little spots on her nose, named her Calico. An she has got the sweetest disposition you’d ever see.”

“That sounds promising. Tell you what, I’ll call Wes at the office and tell him when I’ll be by and you can show off this Calico of yours.”

“Now I just started this week so she won’t be ready to go any time soon, but like I say, I can work with her exclusively if I know yer waitin,” Ennis said, color coming into his cheeks as he responded to Mel’s interest.

“That sounds just perfect,” Bunny Ruskin said, her smile now showing a row of perfect pearl-white teeth.

“Yer welcome ta come down too, ma’am,” Ennis murmured, now frankly embarrassed.

As the Ruskins moved on to congratulate the newlyweds, Ennis gave Ellery a baffled look. “Did I miss somethin?”

“You’d have ta be blind to not see Bunny Ruskin flirtin outrageously with you Ennis. Don’t go in the stable alone with that woman,” Ellery said, a mischievous grin on his face.

“Cut that out, Ellery. I could see she was flirtin. But...” his voice dropped to a whisper. “She’s an old woman!”

“I don’t think she knows that, Ennis. You might not want ta remind her a that fact,” Ellery said smoothly. “Now let’s get some sandwiches instead of just pickin at chips an pretzels.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 18, 2007, 10:18:06 am
More from 82:

They drove him in a thick silence, Ellery at the wheel. Finally, as he took the right turn off the county road, Ellery said, “You okay, Ennis?”

Ennis looked up. “No, not really.”

“Was that hard fer you?”

“Too many people. I guess I don’t like crowds.”

“That’s okay, it’s over now, sweetheart. An you can take off the stupid shoes till the next weddin.”

“Yeah. Still feel bad about Junior though.”

“So call her up an tell her so.”

“Nah, she wouldn’t want me ta make a fuss.”

“It ain’t makin a fuss, you had ta go earlier, now you got time.”

“Yeah maybe.”

“Besides,” Ellery said with a wink. “You get ta make me do anythin now.”

“Oh yeah.”

Ellery pulled the El Camino into the carport, opened his door, then paused. “So what’s it gonna be?”

“I dunno, I was thinkin maybe I could make you burn some biscuits,” Ennis said, his somber expression suddenly brightened with a sultry smile.

“That sounds nice. With or without the tuxedo?”

“Without. Or... maybe just the shirt an tie.” They got out of the car, tension rising in the air between them, and when Ellery stepped inside the door, Ennis seized him by the arms, pressing him against the wall and forcing an urgent kiss on his mouth.

“Jesus,” Ellery panted as Ennis finally let him up for air. “What brought that on?”

“Thinkin about what I coulda had if I hadn’t gone an got married in 63,” Ennis said, his voice breathless, sliding his hand down the front of Ellery’s tuxedo slacks and unbuckling the smooth leather belt, pulling it out of its loops as he unzipped him. “Now get out a those pants.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 18, 2007, 10:30:59 am
Chapter 83:

Ellery sat up in the bed, aching to go to him, to comfort him, but he realized that Ennis did not want him hovering over him in the bathroom. He waited, the retching gradually stopped, and then Ennis turned on the water faucet and flushed the toilet. A few minutes later he came back in, face streaked with tears, eyes red-rimmed, and sat down heavily.

“Any better?” came Ellery’s soft question.

“Shouldn’t a gone ta that weddin,” Ennis replied, head bowed.

“You eat somethin bad?” Ellery asked.

Ennis looked up, smiling sadly. “Yeah, a piece a twenty year old weddin cake.”

“Aw, Ennis.” Ellery put his arm around Ennis’s shoulder, brushing his fingers along the line of damp curls. “I love you, ya know.”

“I know.”

“I was real happy you held my hand right there in the church.”

“I’m queer,” Ennis said. “An yer my man. An I am gettin damn sick a bein ashamed a that.” He looked back up again, almost as though it were an effort to hold his head up, and gave Ellery a fierce look. “I got married cause I was ashamed a what I did with Jack. I was ashamed a doin what I just done with you. I am sick a bein ashamed, Ellery. Sick a hidin, an sick a thinkin somebody’s gonna beat me ta death because ... because I love a man. This has got ta change.”

“It is changin, Ennis.”

Ennis put his hands on his each side of his head, and squeezed, his eyes wide open now, his expression angry, agitated. “I mean in here. In my head. I got ta make it stop – in here, where it’s drivin me crazy. I love you, an every time I think it or say it, somethin inside me says ‘you should be ashamed.’ An it ain’t right. I want it ta stop!”

“It will stop, Ennis. Today when you took my hand you took a step, an every step ya take will help it ta stop. I know it will. There ain’t no way out but through.”

Ennis sighed, letting his hands drop. “I can’t do this alone, Ellery.”

“You don’t have to, Ennis. I’m right here with ya.”

“Then hold me, darlin,” Ennis said, tears welling up once more.

Ellery slipped both arms around Ennis, and drew him gently down onto his back in a tight embrace, sliding smoothly on top, then nestled his face against Ennis’s damp neck, kissing gently along his neck and in the crook of his shoulder. Ennis lay passive, tears flowing, but he no longer sobbed.

“I don’t want ya ta be upset about this, Ellery,” Ennis began to speak after long minutes of silence, his voice cracking.

“Don’t worry, sweetheart,” Ellery replied softly near Ennis’s ear. “Say what ya got ta say.”

“I still miss em. It still hurts like hell. An bein in that church... just reminded me a how stupid an scared I was then, how much I needed ta hide.”

“It’s okay, Ennis. Most people do.”

“Jack didn’t.”

“Then he was exceptional. It don’t make you bad,” Ellery replied.

“Still feels mighty bad.”

“Yeah it does.”

“Don’t let me go,” Ennis said once more, voice soft, plaintive, as if facing the late truth of his sexuality had somehow taxed him beyond his ability to go on.

“I won’t.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 18, 2007, 10:38:52 am
Chapter 84:

“Well... no.” Wes paused to take a cigar out of his pocket and balanced it between his lips. “Hey, you want one a these?”

“Tryin ta cut down, encouragin Ennis.”

“Good boy. You have that talk?”

“Well kinda. I talked to em about doin a real ranch an he don’t seem interested. Said it’d be too much work.”

“Well it is a hell of a lot a work. An all I deal with is payin people for stuff. But you got somebody doin that for the Stallion don’t ya?”

“Yeah, Stew found me an accountant who takes the bank statements an writes out the paychecks an sends em.”

“An so why couldn’t ya have somebody look after the ranch business type work an Ennis could do the thing he wants ta do?”

“Lemme ask you somethin, Wes... what are you so keen on Ennis leavin your employment after you gave em such a big bonus an all that?”

“I ain’t. But considerin how Ennis is such a natural with horse trainin it just seems a waste fer him to just work as a ranch hand for me when you could set em up in his own ranch an he could do it for himself.”

“Wes... he don’t seem interested. He likes workin for you an Edna. Did that ever occur to you? The boy never had a momma or a daddy. That ring a bell ta you, like anybody we know? Goin down there an havin coffee an biscuits with Edna an workin your horses is almost like havin a real family an bein on a real ranch with people he knows an trusts. Now why would he want ta give that up, Wes? An why do you think he would?”

“He likes it because he don’t know what it’s like to be his own boss an run his own outfit.”

“Ya know Wes just because you like bein the cock a the walk don’t mean everybody does. An Ennis was pretty clear on that. I left the subject open in case he changes his mind later but he pretty much told me he’s happy the way things are... if we can get that vacation yer danglin in front a me.”
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 18, 2007, 10:41:35 am
More from 84:

“You hear from yer girl?”

Dupree nodded. “Yeah... said she was sorry for bein so harsh.”

“Did she take back that comment about yer bein queer?”

He shook his head. “No, she’s got ta believe that for her feminine pride I think.”

“Listen, Dupree.... you ever see Ennis... down at the bar... lookin at men?”

“What do ya mean, lookin?”

“I mean, if some boy walks by with a nice set a hams ... does he look?”

“Ellery, you are presupposin that I am watchin Ennis while he is supposedly watchin these men.” Ellery grinned, and Dupree raised a hand, then continued. “Which presupposes that I am somehow interested enough in men ta be watchin Ennis.”

“Very good point Dupree.”

“Which means I ain’t gonna answer you on the grounds that it’ll get you ta start fixin me up with femmy young things with high voices from yer bar an I really do not need that to get over Tatiana.”

“Check and mate,” Ellery said. “An no I think since Wes wants me ta bring Reynolds along a bit I am gonna let em run with the Crane investigation. He went out with a dog an found what might be the murder weapon.”

Dupree looked disappointed. “All right, Chief.”

“You can be on the next one... with Joe. Because I am tryin ta wiggle out of the big stuff so I can take two weeks off an go up to the Tetons.”

“Vacation? That hardly seems like you, Ellery.”

“We need it. This last month has been a killer, an I don’t want things goin awry at home because a my job. I’ll quit before I’ll let that happen.”

Dupree looked stricken. “Don’t quit, Ellery. We need ya here.”

Ellery set down the muffin with a look of distaste. “That’s why I’m takin a vacation. You can finish that one for me, Dupree.”


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 18, 2007, 10:45:23 am
A funny little interlude in Chapter 85:

Ellery left, drove to the the bakery where Joe made his daily stop, and strode in. He had been in there enough times to be recognizable to the owner, baker Helga Watters, but had been scarce since his promotion to Chief Deputy.

“Well well, Mr. Cantrell, I thought you had the other boys doin the pickin up muffins for you nowadays,” said the portly matron in a still noticeable Bavarian accent.

“Yeah, Joe picked up the wrong thing this mornin though, lemon an poppy seeds ain’t my style. You got any a those pumpkin muffins or blueberry maybe?”

“Blueberry we have all the time, pumpkin only on Wednesday.”

“Damn. Then give me half a dozen blueberry.”

“Don’t like the lemon or the poppy seeds?” She frowned, puzzled.

“Somethin about the two of em, I dunno,” he said. “I love all the rest of em though Helga. An the other boys like em just fine.”

She slid a box, carefully tied with string, over the top of the glass counter to him. “That’ll be no charge for you, Mr. Cantrell.”

Ellery grinned. “Thank you kindly,” he nodded graciously and tucked the box under his arm as he left, feeling Helga’s eyes on him as he went through the door.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 18, 2007, 02:14:53 pm
Wonderful selection of quotes, as usual - thanks, Leslie.  And that evidence kit was great -some day (or week) I need to find the time to look through all 600-odd pages of this thread - I'm sure there's a lot of great stuff!


God, I loved this part - a real Puddle of Goo moment:


Quote from: MaineWriter on February 18, 2007, 10:11:30 am
His chest thundered with the sound of his racing heart, and he forced his eyes open, reached out his hand, and slid it over to where Ellery’s left hand lay passive on his knee, grasping it tightly. Ellery looked up, surprised, and returned the grip, holding on, and then gave Ennis a warm smile, a smile that lighted his smoky eyes to bright silver. This is the reason.


Ennis's emotions overflowing after they got home . . . that was so real and so well-written.

Any scene with Dupree is always interesting - now that we know of Dupree's attraction to Ellery, his attachment to him really stands out in these scenes.   These kind of statements always stand out now, too:


Quote from: MaineWriter on February 18, 2007, 10:41:35 am

“Which means I ain’t gonna answer you on the grounds that it’ll get you ta start fixin me up with femmy young things with high voices from yer bar an I really do not need that to get over Tatiana.”

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No, you need a naughty sailor with a lot of muscles and penchant for lickin'!   :)

And Ellery at the bakery really was too funny - the guy's worth $25 million and he gets his muffins for free - ain't that always the way!  LOL!

Thanks - Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 20, 2007, 10:40:50 am
Today, chapters 86-89...this book ends at 89.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/97235.html

Another famous conversation...

Ellery nodded. “Then that is all I need ta know. I ain’t gonna let Wes bully me into makin you into a rancher if you don’t want ta be one.”

Ennis picked up his chicken again. “I don’t care if you got a hundred million dollars. Well I do... but it won’t change my mind about ranchin.”

Ellery smiled wanly. “What if it’s only... twenty five or so?”

Ennis gulped. “Twenty five or so... million... dollars?”

Ellery nodded, dropping a hand into his lap.

“Jesus Christ, Ellery. Then you could afford ta paint this house somethin other than that awful gray.”

“Yeah, I could,” Ellery said sheepishly. “Ya want me ta?”

“Yep.”

“An if you ever really want somethin that costs money, you’ll tell me, right?”

“I guess I should. Lemme ask you... how come when this first came up, you said you had a couple a million dollars?”

“Cause I do have a couple. Plus some.”

“You was afraid I was gonna run off weren’t you?”

Ellery picked up a cob of corn and then set it back down again. “Still a little afraid a that, Ennis.”

“Well, boy, I figure it ain’t your fault.”

Ellery stared. “It ... ain’t my fault?”

“Havin all that money. Just like it ain’t my fault my parents died an left twenty five dollars in a coffee can, it ain’t your fault yours died an left you twenty-five million. It’s just... a bigger coffee can.”

Ellery breathed out an audible sigh. “You don’t know how relieved I am ta hear that, Ennis.”

“But now ya got ta get the house painted.”

Which reminds me....they still haven't gotten the house painted!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 20, 2007, 10:45:45 am
Chapter 87:

Ellery, still kneeling, opened his eyes and looked down into Ennis’s face, which instead of being flushed and glowing, was still, his eyes wide open and gleaming with a tragic sadness. “Sweetheart,” he whispered softly, raising a hand and stroking his cheek.

“This ain’t fair,” Ennis whispered in response. “This ain’t fair ta you.”

“What ain't fair, Ennis?” Ellery asked, but his chest tightened as he sensed what Ennis was about to say.

“Please don’t get mad at me Ellery, I feel bad about this as it is.” Ennis put his hands over his face, almost as if he were about to burst into tears, but did not, then forced his hands back down.

“I won’t get mad, Ennis.”

“When you were suckin me off, I was thinkin a when Jack did that the first time,” he said, his voice dropping as though making a painful confession.

Ellery smiled. “That why you came like that?”

Ennis nodded, squeezing his eyes closed. “I’m sorry. I shouldn’t be thinkin a Jack when I’m fuckin you.”

“Why not?” Ellery rolled onto his side. “It ain’t like you asked me ta cut my hair or get a tan or nothin so I could look like em.”

“I like yer hair long,” Ennis replied, avoiding the question. “I need a fuckin smoke.”

Ellery reached for the box of cigars and took one out, then grabbed the matches, handing them both to Ennis, and said nothing, giving him time.

Ennis lit up and inhaled greedily, letting out a cloud of smoke with a long sigh. “Damn, I missed that.” He handed Ellery the cigar. “It just feels wrong, darlin. I am in love with you. I do love you.”

“I know that. I ain’t worried about Jack, Ennis.”

“Why the hell not? I get green as grass when you mention Beagle or Bill or...”

“Well maybe I might feel different if Jack had been callin on the phone every other day or just sent a love letter a week ago, Ennis. But it ain’t yer fault you loved em, an I don’t get jealous that ya loved em, an you told me months ago that you were always gonna love em an yer just provin you ain’t a liar about that.”

“Shit,” Ennis said, accepting the cigar back and puffing on it. “You got that right. I don’t want ta rub it in, but I think about em a lot.”

“Look at it this way, Ennis. How many people did you tell about how you felt about Jack? How many people, before you told me?”

“I mentioned it in passin ta Bill when I went ta the Red Stallion. An Pete because he kept naggin me about it. An I think Jack’s momma knew, I told her Jack an I was real good friends.”

“Yeah but you didn’t tell her he was the man you were in love with all those years, did ya?”

Ennis shook his head. “Nope. Couldn’t do that.”

“So I was really the first person you spelled it all out to.”

“Yep.”

“An I’m the first man you got it on with after losin Jack.”

“Yep, ain’t been nobody else. An I don’t count Alma because I never did like ta do it with her, daughters or no daughters.”

“This shit is gonna come up, Ennis. If you do the same thing in bed with me you did with Jack, it’s gonna come back to ya. You don’t think sometimes I don’t think a some other guy sometimes? I do. I ain’t gonna rub yer nose in it, but it happens.”

Ennis gave Ellery a sharp look. “I ain’t tryin ta rub yer nose in it, Ellery, I’m tryin ta be honest here. Fact is... I feel right now like I’m just usin you, because I can’t have Jack, an that makes me feel real guilty.”

Ellery reached over and put a hand on Ennis’s shoulder. “If yer usin me then we’re both usin each other. The best thing is yer talkin about it. If you never said one little word an this was all goin through yer head, I would be real worried. But yer diggin it out. It got stirred up from the weddin, an that shit when it gets stirred up is hard. But it gets better, Ennis. It does.”

“Like you an Beagle?” Ennis looked at him suspiciously.

“Yeah. I had some nightmares, but they don’t happen as much. I get upset from the letter, but I ain’t so upset anymore. That’s how it goes if you take a risk an love somebody, Ennis. It hurts like a bitch sometimes, an then it gets better.”

“You ain’t mad?”

Ellery shook his head. “No. I ain’t mad.” As he took the cigar back from Ennis, he tapped the ash on the ashtray and then took a deep drag. He wasn’t mad at Ennis, but his chest still ached with the tightness of anxiety as he thought, will he ever love me the way he loves Jack?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 20, 2007, 10:48:48 am
Chapter 88:

“Are you pleased with Ellery’s choice, Ennis?” Edna asked as she came up to the gate.

“Now ya see, this horse has been curried every day, I can feel by her coat. Nice an thick an full, an there ain’t no sign a dead skin or loose hair. Somebody did a real good job takin care of her. Yeah, I’m pleased. Didn’t get ta ride her though, I was too busy laughin at how she walks.”

“How she walks? Oh you mean her gait, yes, I always found those a bit odd ta look at.”

“Maybe I ought ta give her a ride an see how it goes. Ellery was pleased as all get-out though.”

“I can’t believe he just up an bought a horse. We’ve known that boy almost twenty years an never showed a lick of interest in ridin or ownin an animal.”

“Maybe he had ta get ranchin out of his system or somethin, Edna.”

“Or maybe that’s how much he wants to please you, Ennis,” she said, her voice softening. “He cares for you a whole lot, Ennis. Why the two a you all dressed up in those tuxedos the other day, I wish I could a had a picture.”

“Somebody did take a picture... that photographer, said we were the nicest lookin men there.”

“Well you were, an it made my heart just melt, Ennis.”

“Edna!” Ennis dropped his hand where it was patting Milagro’s shoulder, and Edna blushed.

“I guess I ought ta go put lunch on then, you mind havin a pastrami sandwich?”

“Not at all, thanks.” Edna retreated to the house, leaving Ennis grinning as he watched her go.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on February 20, 2007, 10:53:57 am
Chapter 89:

Half an hour later, Ellery was dressed in black denims, t-shirt, and a black denim jacket, standing outside the paddock as Nellie and Millie sniffed one another and nuzzled each other. Ennis came out of the tack room, wiping his hands on his thighs.

“Hey, sweetheart,” Ellery said, putting an arm around Ennis, and to his surprise, Ennis accepted his embrace, swinging his own arms around Ellery and offering him a kiss.

“Edna said you had news,” Ennis said, searching his eyes.

“How’d you like to take two weeks off an go up to the Tetons?”

“Whoo wee!” Ennis tossed his hat in the air. “This for certain?”

“I just need ta finish up this week’s paperwork, an hopefully find another server for the bar.” Ellery nodded toward the paddock. “Looks like those two are gettin along.”

“You should a seen em a couple hours ago,” Ennis said. “An you thought I acted jealous.”

“Want ta go for a ride, just you an me?”

“You mean just me an you an Nellie and Silly over there?”

Ellery laughed. “Yeah, that’s what I mean.”

“Let’s saddle up!” Ennis said, and Ellery followed him into the tack room.

They rode for an hour, in the rapidly cooling afternoon, taking an easy trail ride that caused Ellery no pain whatsoever, and afterward, they went in to sit with Edna and have coffee and then put the horses in and went home.

As they sat together on the patio, watching the sunlight fade toward evening, Ellery poured them shots of Glenfiddich and cleared his throat. “The judge wouldn’t let Worrell go back to Texas. Chances are we’ll start the trial in October, November some time.”

“That means I got ta go on the stand, don’t it?”

Ellery nodded. You an me both. You think yer gonna be ready for that?”

“I dunno. But I better call my little girl an tell her I will really be comin ta Riverton this weekend. You ready to meet both a my little girls?”

“If you can get on the stand an testify against Jack’s killer then I can face up to meetin both a yer daughters at once, an the ex wife if the occasion arises.”

Ennis held out his hand, and Ellery grasped it. “I think that’s a deal.”


Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on February 20, 2007, 01:36:30 pm
The end of this book already?  Well, thankfully there's more!  Nice selection, Leslie.  This little part at the beginning of Chapter 86 reminded me of all the changes, big and small, that have taken place:

When he returned, Ennis opened two bottles of beer and handed him one. “Here’s ta me goin three days without smokin.”

“Damn, Ennis, that is real good, congratulations,” Ellery said, lifting his own beer, and they clinked the bottles together. “I decided I’m gonna cut down too.”

“Might be hard not ta smoke after gettin fancy though.”

“Yeah, well maybe we can share a smoke then.”

“You think that is still an improvement though, one cigar a day?”

“Half a one, an these are technically cigarillos, Ennis.”

“I’m just sayin. I don’t want ta end up ya know, gettin cancer or nothin. I got a lot ta live for.”


I love that Laramie is turning into a smoke-free zone -   well, maybe not smoke-free, but smoke-less!  Edna needs to pester Wes a lilttle more!


Quote from: MaineWriter on February 20, 2007, 10:40:50 am

Which reminds me....they still haven't gotten the house painted!

L


That's right!  I loved your comment on LJ, Leslie, about Ennis, the $25 mill and the house painting!  So true - only Ennis would think of something like house painting first thing! LOL!  I wonder if he'd allow a painter to do it or if he'd insist on doing it himself - of course, we know that Ennis painting, wearing shorts, bare-chested, sweating . . .  always a Good Thing!

This part makes me wonder . . .

Quote from: MaineWriter on February 20, 2007, 10:48:48 am

“Or maybe that’s how much he wants to please you, Ennis,” she said, her voice softening. “He cares for you a whole lot, Ennis. Why the two a you all dressed up in those tuxedos the other day, I wish I could a had a picture.”

“Somebody did take a picture... that photographer, said we were the nicest lookin men there.”
[/i]


 . . . what did that photographer ever do with that picture?  I always imagined it would show up, somewhere, sometime.  And we know that a crying Junior caused Ennis to agree to reception pictures!

Chapter 87 was so well-written, and so real - but so wrenching.   The wonderful thing about the human heart is that its capacity for love is infinite.

Thanks!   
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 06, 2007, 11:15:33 am
 
Here is the beginning of the rework of my story, as long promised.  Events have overcome the need to start on this, and to acknowledge the more-than-editorial contribution of my co moderator and friend, L.H. Nicoll, without whom there would be no "Taking Chances" or the remainder of the stories in what our friend Jo from Sydney had nicknamed "The Laramie Saga" but is actually something... quite different.

I knew all along I was working on another tale, and that Ennis represented more than anything, a widower of my acquaintance who knows who he is, who lost his beloved and found a new love on his doorstep, literally.

EL, LE, and RY, you know who you are, so we don't have to pretend to be writing a mere derivative tale any longer!  I hope those of you who found the BBM fanfic tale worthwhile, will find the original tale worth reading as we go through the various stages leading to a publication of a purely original work with no connection to Brokeback Mountain or its film.

NOTE TO FAN ARTISTS:  We ask that you do not continue to use images of Heath Ledger as Ennis in any fan art you may produce.  I have had a chance to talk with some Ozzies about the close relationship that Heath has with his audience and the fan community, and as a serious auteur whose work Leslie and I respect greatly, we wish not to cause him, or the screenwriters, or the author of Brokeback Mountain, any concern that we are using any images for anything more than inspiration to a tale that has unfolded as our own love affair with this great story and magnificent film have inspired us.  We are working diligently to dispel any misconceptions about the fanart and images that were associated with the fanfiction version of the tale.

And god bless underwear models for the body shots!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on April 06, 2007, 11:34:42 am
Quote
And god bless underwear models for the body shots!

Yes indeedy! 


All fanart I created was for the E&E fanfic and for our own "visualization" of the characters, the scenes, etc.
I think we always knew that none of them could actually be used in any real publication of the tale..
Still, it was fun to have a gallery going as we experienced the story... :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on April 06, 2007, 11:38:38 am
Louise

I am very excited about this news.  I have a question, though, will you be posting the re-worked story on lj or wait until it's published?  I'm sad about not using Heath as Ennis but I think that's in the best interest of the story.

OK, I have another question not related to the story.  You know I am an (obsessed) Heath fan, can you tell more about your talk with the Aussies about Heath's close relationship with his audience and fans?  I am dying to know about it.  Thanks.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 06, 2007, 11:40:25 am
Quote from: Lucise on April 06, 2007, 11:34:42 am

Still, it was fun to have a gallery going as we experienced the story... :)

It was a wonderful, wonderful experience. Part of me is a little sad that that part of the adventure is over. On the other hand, we have a new and better adventure ahead. Hang on for the ride, everyone!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on April 06, 2007, 11:56:35 am
OK, I got it, will wait for the re-worked story.

About Heath's posting on HLC, I'm a member there so I know fairly well about his relationship with the webmistresses.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on April 06, 2007, 12:04:26 pm
Quote from: yb on April 06, 2007, 11:56:35 am
OK, I got it, will wait for the re-worked story.

About Heath's posting on HLC, I'm a member there so I know fairly well about his relationship with the webmistresses.  Thanks.


He posts there? Wow I didn't know that. Jake doesn't post in the websides dedicated to him.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 06, 2007, 01:05:54 pm
Quote from: louise van hine on April 06, 2007, 11:15:33 am

Here is the beginning of the rework of my story, as long promised.  Events have overcome the need to start on this, and to acknowledge the more-than-editorial contribution of my co moderator and friend, L.H. Nicoll, without whom there would be no "Taking Chances" or the remainder of the stories in what our friend Jo from Sydney had nicknamed "The Laramie Saga" but is actually something... quite different.   


Quote from: MaineWriter on April 06, 2007, 11:40:25 am
It was a wonderful, wonderful experience. Part of me is a little sad that that part of the adventure is over. On the other hand, we have a new and better adventure ahead. Hang on for the ride, everyone!

L

Exciting news for sure! Onward and upward -  I'm hanging on.  :)   Thanks, L & L!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 06, 2007, 04:15:02 pm
Quote from: louise van hine on April 06, 2007, 02:21:17 pm
okay

I know it isnt much but see how this tastes:



Mmmmm ..... delicious!!!! 


SPOILER?




Colson Grey - I like it.  And Adam - very appropriate.

Thanks,
Marie 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 06, 2007, 04:19:46 pm
Quote from: mariez on April 06, 2007, 04:15:02 pm

Mmmmm ..... delicious!!!! 


SPOILER?




Colton Grey - I like it.  And Adam - very appropriate.

Thanks,
Marie 

Colson, actually.

Of English origin, it means son of Nicholas.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 06, 2007, 04:54:41 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 06, 2007, 04:19:46 pm
Colson, actually.

Of English origin, it means son of Nicholas.

L

Thanks, Leslie!  Dang, I knew it was Colson - that was a typo, kind of.  I did a quick search to find the origin of Colson and couldn't find anything - but I did find Colton, so I guess that was on my mind.   Anywhoo, I like the name!  :)  How were the names selected - any particular reason? 

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 06, 2007, 05:37:37 pm
Colson just sort of popped into my head this morning and I suggested it to Louise. We did a little research on the name and then she thought of "col's son...coal's son" (ie miner). There is already a reference to "working in the pit."

Beyond that, I'll let Louise elaborate, if she wants.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 06, 2007, 06:55:33 pm
there are a few more Biblical type references but we can leave that for Jo, the Literary Interpreter!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 07, 2007, 01:33:16 pm

Quote from: MaineWriter on April 06, 2007, 05:37:37 pm
Colson just sort of popped into my head this morning and I suggested it to Louise. We did a little research on the name and then she thought of "col's son...coal's son" (ie miner). There is already a reference to "working in the pit."

Beyond that, I'll let Louise elaborate, if she wants.

L


Quote from: louise van hine on April 06, 2007, 06:55:33 pm
there are a few more Biblical type references but we can leave that for Jo, the Literary Interpreter!

Thanks, Leslie and Louise.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 08, 2007, 05:33:32 am
I am doing some more re-massage on these chapters and hope to have some more content up tonight.

For those of you who are watching your Friends List I have created a new group for the editorial staff and volunteers who are helping with this effort.  If you were not included in this group and wish to be, please pm me or Leslie.

Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 08, 2007, 09:11:06 am
okay people:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/3297.html  Chapter 3
http://louisev.livejournal.com/3495.html chapter 4
http://louisev.livejournal.com/3644.html Chapter 5
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: brokebackjack on April 08, 2007, 11:26:37 pm
Quote from: louise van hine on April 06, 2007, 02:21:17 pm
okay

I know it isnt much but see how this tastes:

Second verse, same as the first
A little bit louder
And a little bit worse:
 
"Taking Chances"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/2743.html
Tastes fine!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 11, 2007, 07:58:31 pm
Unfortunately, I have more bad news.

Due to time constraints I am going to have to rework the story and provide it in a different format for readers other than Livejournal.  I will be providing details to the editors associated with my professional efforts and want to make sure the text is fully presentable before giving out any more of it.

In the interim I will be seeking some beta readers for a purely Nick and Dupree story I plan to start to help satisfy my creative need to write, and discussed the story idea with my partner in crime (mystery storywise that is) working title is "The Marigold Files" featuring our budding photographer and crime features reporter on the University of Far Eastern Arizona, Nick Sampson, and his true life partner, Jeremy Dupree.

Oh David... do we have any underwear models for this?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 13, 2007, 12:13:09 pm
April Weekly Status report for the Editorial Group

http://louisev.livejournal.com/215360.html 

Update on editing the content of the the 6 Greenlea (new working title) books starting with "Taking Chances."

I am actively recruiting help.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 17, 2007, 06:21:59 pm
Hi everyone,

Chapters 6, 7, and 8 of Taking Chances are now up and available to those in the friends group.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/3929.html
http://louisev.livejournal.com/4186.html
http://louisev.livejournal.com/4588.html

Feedback is welcome.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on April 17, 2007, 09:46:27 pm
Quote from: opinionista on April 06, 2007, 12:04:26 pm
He posts there? Wow I didn't know that. Jake doesn't post in the websides dedicated to him.





Heath doesn't post on any websites except HeathLedgerCentral forum, and you have to be a member to read his posts because they are password protected, and when that webmistress set up a separate forum for Heath's movies--Addicted to the Movie Candy, and the website she has for "I'm not there". 
Heath and the other actors involved came and put up postings and thanked us all for our support. Geoffry Rush left really nice messages there too--and Luke Davies.  They all seem to appreciate notice of small Indy movies/roles they are proud to have been a part of.
Heath even sent out several  personal pm messages to various members of ATTMC website that had shown special support and help for the webmistress.  Of course that was a one time thing , and they were lost when the site got hacked, and now that Candy is out on dvd, there isn't any posting there anymore from anyone.       He pops in occasionally, and she shuts down the board so he can go where he wants and posts what ever he would like to say.  We are always glad to have him leave greetings, and we all usually answer/reply to them too.  His relationship with the sites webmistress is a real and very good one---he also knows her daughter and came to see one of the plays that she produced, and her daughter starred in.

He doesn't visit BBM forums, because he has left BBM behind him now and is moving on and forward.
But that statement doesn't necessarily apply to family or friends that still may or may not visit Heath threads.  Michelle is a different matter however, and has actually had some of her fan sites legally shut down for using pictures of her and the family and posts that she didn't approve of.


Louise---do we still have the Ennis/Ellery gallery-that was made during the original writing  or with this new fanart mandate are you and Lucise discontinuing everything??  Guess I should go look, but don't want to be too disappointed. LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 17, 2007, 09:52:46 pm
 
ow wow, look at this fan tribute to Ellery, the Tales, and to Hugh:

I hope you dont mind, Pernille, but I'll take positive feedback wherever i can get it!

http://pernille-is-me.livejournal.com/172829.html?view=1629725#t1629725
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on April 18, 2007, 07:21:33 am
that link says it is a forbidden page, so I think you must have to be friended or something to read it.
At least it didn't work for me to be able to read it.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 18, 2007, 07:33:34 am
Quote from: ranchgal on April 17, 2007, 09:46:27 pm

Louise---do we still have the Ennis/Ellery gallery-that was made during the original writing  or with this new fanart mandate are you and Lucise discontinuing everything??  Guess I should go look, but don't want to be too disappointed. LOL

It's still on the fanfic board, ranchgal, for the moment.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on April 18, 2007, 07:35:15 am
Thanks much for the info. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on April 18, 2007, 08:01:47 am
Quote from: louise van hine on April 17, 2007, 09:52:46 pm

ow wow, look at this fan tribute to Ellery, the Tales, and to Hugh:

I hope you dont mind, Pernille, but I'll take positive feedback wherever i can get it!

http://pernille-is-me.livejournal.com/172829.html?view=1629725#t1629725


I tried to see it but i need to have permission apparently.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 18, 2007, 08:10:42 am
It is basically a comment about Hugh and then Ellery, saying how much she loves Ellery. So what else is new, we all love Ellery! LOL

Louise posted an update, saying that information on Taking Chances can be found here, at Bettermost.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 18, 2007, 08:11:56 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 17, 2007, 06:21:59 pm
Hi everyone,

Chapters 6, 7, and 8 of Taking Chances are now up and available to those in the friends group.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/3929.html
http://louisev.livejournal.com/4186.html
http://louisev.livejournal.com/4588.html

Feedback is welcome.

Leslie


 It's kind of hard to explain, but I'm finding that it's a fascinating experience reading these chapters.  I'm intrigued with Colson Grey (not Cole!) with the blue eyes and blond hair with bits of grey and the widow's peak, and I'm anxious to get to know the details of his family and his past, especially his relationship with Adam.  At the same time, I'm excited for him because I know that very shortly he will be meeting a sheriff's deputy named Ellery Cantrell, and I love this mix of knowing, but not really knowing - if that makes any sense!  Looking forward to more.

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Pernille_is_me on April 18, 2007, 09:55:52 am
Quote from: louise van hine on April 17, 2007, 09:52:46 pm

ow wow, look at this fan tribute to Ellery, the Tales, and to Hugh:

I hope you dont mind, Pernille, but I'll take positive feedback wherever i can get it!

http://pernille-is-me.livejournal.com/172829.html?view=1629725#t1629725


I wasn't actually a member here before.. I think I've read here on the forum before.. so addressing me here wouldn't do much good Louise.
But I'm glad you saw the post on my journal after all :)
And I do love the story you can always come to me if you need the positive feedback LOL.. 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Pernille_is_me on April 18, 2007, 09:58:13 am
Quote from: ranchgal on April 18, 2007, 07:21:33 am
that link says it is a forbidden page, so I think you must have to be friended or something to read it.
At least it didn't work for me to be able to read it.

Yeah.. I had it to friends only..
Ive unlocked it now.. so you can look.. but I will lock it again, because my journal is very personal and so are some of the comments left on this post. Please I dont want problems.. but if you are at LJ too.. friend me if you wanna see more :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Pernille_is_me on April 18, 2007, 10:00:48 am
Quote from: opinionista on April 18, 2007, 08:01:47 am
I tried to see it but i need to have permission apparently.

I unlocked the post for your viewing pleasure. :)
If you are on LJ, friend me to continue to be able to view my journal, cause I will lock it back up. Its a very personal journal, and so are some of the comments left on this post and I dont want trouble.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Pernille_is_me on April 18, 2007, 10:03:45 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 18, 2007, 08:10:42 am
It is basically a comment about Hugh and then Ellery, saying how much she loves Ellery. So what else is new, we all love Ellery! LOL

Louise posted an update, saying that information on Taking Chances can be found here, at Bettermost.

L

So I guess I know you at LJ? or else I don't know how you got access to the post  ???
but honestly, right now, I have no idea who you are?  :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on April 18, 2007, 10:05:46 am
Quote from: Pernille_is_me on April 18, 2007, 10:00:48 am
I unlocked the post for your viewing pleasure. :)
If you are on LJ, friend me to continue to be able to view my journal, cause I will lock it back up. Its a very personal journal, and so are some of the comments left on this post and I dont want trouble.  ;D

Done  :D . I totally understand your desire to lock it. Some people can be awfully mean.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on April 18, 2007, 10:06:46 am
BTW Pernille Welcome to Bettermost! I hope you enjoy your stay  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Pernille_is_me on April 18, 2007, 10:23:58 am
Quote from: opinionista on April 18, 2007, 10:05:46 am
Done  :D . I totally understand your desire to lock it. Some people can be awfully mean.

mean.. maybe.. maybe not intentionally..
but a lot of people think with their butts.. so yeah, my journal is locked..

I look forward to getting to know you on LJ.. and thank you for the welcome! Much appreciated :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 18, 2007, 10:31:34 am
Quote from: Pernille_is_me on April 18, 2007, 10:03:45 am
So I guess I know you at LJ? or else I don't know how you got access to the post  ???
but honestly, right now, I have no idea who you are?  :P  :laugh:

I am Leslie (MaineWriter), but on LiveJournal I am LazyLFarm. I am also Louise's co-author on this ambitious project. I'll go friend you now, Pernille.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Pernille_is_me on April 18, 2007, 10:46:52 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 18, 2007, 10:31:34 am
I am Leslie (MaineWriter), but on LiveJournal I am LazyLFarm. I am also Louise's co-author on this ambitious project. I'll go friend you now, Pernille.

Leslie

Ah yes.. we have talked before,  of course. :)
Sweet.. I look forward to getting to know you.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 19, 2007, 03:07:48 am
I LOVE the Icon!  share share share!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Pernille_is_me on April 19, 2007, 03:10:35 am
Quote from: louise van hine on April 19, 2007, 03:07:48 am
I LOVE the Icon!  share share share!

Mine? LOL..
I just posted 20 Hugh icons on my LJ today..

http://pernille-is-me.livejournal.com/173725.html#cutid1 (http://pernille-is-me.livejournal.com/173725.html#cutid1)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 23, 2007, 10:49:29 pm
whoo wee!

More Hugh icons! Maybe I will change mine.

In Taking Chances news I have decided to add a little more initial content to some of the middle chapters of this first section. Look for them later tonight (or early morning American time)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 06:32:01 am
Quote from: louise van hine on April 23, 2007, 10:49:29 pm
whoo wee!

More Hugh icons! Maybe I will change mine.


I, uh, liked the old one better. In this one, he has a very odd looking chest... (Leslie ducks and runs...)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Pernille_is_me on April 24, 2007, 06:34:01 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 06:32:01 am
I, uh, liked the old one better. In this one, he has a very odd looking chest... (Leslie ducks and runs...)

L

wow.. that was not very nice of you..  :(
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on April 24, 2007, 06:36:07 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 06:32:01 am
I, uh, liked the old one better. In this one, he has a very odd looking chest... (Leslie ducks and runs...)

L

 :laugh:  :laugh:

Well at least you're brave enough to say what i was thinking!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Pernille_is_me on April 24, 2007, 06:38:25 am
Quote from: belbbmfan on April 24, 2007, 06:36:07 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 06:32:01 am
I, uh, liked the old one better. In this one, he has a very odd looking chest... (Leslie ducks and runs...)

L


 :laugh:  :laugh:

Well at least you're brave enough to say what i was thinking!

wow.. it just gets worse and worse..  >:(
apparently its bash the new one day eh?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 06:53:07 am
Hey Pernille,

Sorry! No bashing intended...I like your avatar just fine. And I like a bunch of the ones you made that are on your LJ. Louise just happened to pick one that doesn't....zing me....LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on April 24, 2007, 07:05:26 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 06:32:01 am
I, uh, liked the old one better. In this one, he has a very odd looking chest... (Leslie ducks and runs...)

L

ODD LOOKING CHEST!?!?!?!?!  :o

You are so out of the Hugh love club, Leslie! LOL  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 07:08:03 am
Quote from: opinionista on April 24, 2007, 07:05:26 am
ODD LOOKING CHEST!?!?!?!?!  :o

You are so out of the Hugh love club, Leslie! LOL  ;)  ;D

But I have my membership card right here....you can't take it away!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)

Oh wait, that's Ellery's business card....(Leslie rummages through her wallet....)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on April 24, 2007, 07:19:09 am
hey Pernille,

i was just looking at the Hugh avatars you made. I like the nr. 15. he really has a great smile. I don't know how to copy it here, but that one's very nice!


(no bashing intended! i just don't like him that muscular! Oh well, maybe i'll like the movie LOL  ;))
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 24, 2007, 07:59:50 am


Quote from: louise van hine on April 23, 2007, 10:49:29 pm
In Taking Chances news I have decided to add a little more initial content to some of the middle chapters of this first section. Look for them later tonight (or early morning American time)

Oh, I'm intrigued - and excited!


Quote from: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 07:08:03 am
But I have my membership card right here....you can't take it away!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/ellerybc3.jpg)

Oh wait, that's Ellery's business card....(Leslie rummages through her wallet....)

L

Sigh.  You know you're in trouble when a business card gets you all nostalgic and lovesick . . . .  I miss Ellery. 

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 08:28:26 am
Quote from: mariez on April 24, 2007, 07:59:50 am

Sigh.  You know you're in trouble when a business card gets you all nostalgic and lovesick . . . .  I miss Ellery. 

Marie

Join the club! LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 24, 2007, 08:29:22 am
well as soon as Leslie MaineWriter gets her hooks in the revised chapters 8 9 and 10 then you will have your Ellery and eat breakfast too!

but on that note I need a nap!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on April 24, 2007, 08:30:59 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 08:28:26 am
Join the club! LOL

L

I'm already a member!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 09:03:56 am
Chapters 8, 9 and 10 are up and available for your reading pleasure, my friends. And yes, we meet Ellery in Chapter 9. Squee!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/4588.html
http://louisev.livejournal.com/4844.html
http://louisev.livejournal.com/5086.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 24, 2007, 11:55:02 am
And I promise, I PROMISE

to do more this week on it.

My current plan is to get cracking on this with a more or less regular schedule now that I will be paring back to "normal job hours"
and with a bit o' luck...

getting on with the next story.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 11:58:15 am
Update for the Editorial Group

http://louisev.livejournal.com/215832.html

I look forward to hearing from people. Thanks!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 25, 2007, 08:57:11 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 24, 2007, 09:03:56 am
Chapters 8, 9 and 10 are up and available for your reading pleasure, my friends. And yes, we meet Ellery in Chapter 9. Squee!

Leslie   

A pleasure indeed. I've never actually "squeed" before, but I have to call your squee and raise you one - Ellery is just so dang Squeeworthy.   ;D

I love the Colson/Cole thing - I don't imagine Colson is going to let that sllide too many times! 

Thanks,
Marie




 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 25, 2007, 02:57:31 pm
Chapters 11 and 12 are up....

http://louisev.livejournal.com/5339.html
http://louisev.livejournal.com/5475.html

Enjoy...feedback welcome!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on April 25, 2007, 06:48:47 pm
I have done a good deal of thinking during the late hours of software testing, while I am rereading and reworking the text, and as you may be able to tell, those who are doing a close reading, there are many subtle edits in there which are giving further depth to what landed Colson in Tourmaline, and why he felt obligated to stay to help Pete and Ellery, and now that we have the end product as evidenced by the story being completed up to January 1985, it provides an anchor for a view of Tourmaline that is far more literary and less literal.

For those who have never seen one, I got a small tumbled tourmaline for meditation purposes, and will throw up a photo of that when I have a photo in the clear light.

A smaller view of the stone is here / the first is a crysanthomite *or something  - it looked pretty*, the second down is a green jasper, the smallest one with the purplish tinge, is the tourmaline.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 26, 2007, 01:19:40 pm
Chapters 13 and 14 are up for those on the friends list...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/5881.html
http://louisev.livejournal.com/5975.html

Enjoy...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 26, 2007, 08:19:12 pm
Thanks for the picture - about a month ago I spent a couple fascinating hours in the mineral hall of a local science museum and saw some awesome tourmaline exhibits.  Naturally, the tourmaline attracted me as it made me think of Ellery  :)

Thanks for the new chapters - I certainly am enjoying  - this made me smile -

No truck, he thought. Now that ain’t typical of any men I know.

That's one word that never comes to mind when I think of Ellery - typical.  LOL!

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 28, 2007, 03:40:02 pm
Chapter 15 is up...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/6241.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 29, 2007, 06:48:13 am
Chapter 16, for your reading pleasure...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/6535.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 29, 2007, 08:14:51 am
Chapter 17 is open to the friends group.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/6751.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 29, 2007, 09:01:01 am
Chapter 18 is open to the friends group.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/7146.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 29, 2007, 09:47:14 am
Chapter 19 is open to the friends group.

http://louisev.livejournal.com/7201.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 29, 2007, 11:05:42 am
 :D  - Thank You x 5!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 29, 2007, 11:12:04 am
Quote from: mariez on April 29, 2007, 11:05:42 am
:D  - Thank You x 5!

Marie

My...our...pleasure!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on April 29, 2007, 11:37:10 am
Quote from: mariez on April 29, 2007, 11:05:42 am
:D  - Thank You x 5!

Marie

 :laugh:  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 30, 2007, 11:01:27 am
Chapter 20 is up for the friends group...

http://louisev.livejournal.com/7581.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 30, 2007, 11:38:47 am
And here is Chapter 21, friends!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/7884.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on April 30, 2007, 01:53:42 pm
I think people are aware that I am in possession of a number of important artifacts from Taking Chances and its sequels, including the "To my one and only true love" card that was tucked in the roses and Ellery's business card. Well, I have just come into possession of Ellery's "little dress" (his silk robe). For those who care about details, it has a little bit of leopard skin print trim on the pocket. Whoo-eee! If you all sweet talk me enough, I might be persuaded to take a picture of it and post here. Unfortunately, Ellery won't be in it because he is wearing a "new woolly robe" given to him by Colson which "does not show all the way to France." Too bad....

Leslie
Prop mistress and archivist, on a good day

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on April 30, 2007, 06:01:41 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 30, 2007, 01:53:42 pm
I think people are aware that I am in possession of a number of important artifacts from Taking Chances and its sequels, including the "To my one and only true love" card that was tucked in the roses and Ellery's business card. Well, I have just come into possession of Ellery's "little dress" (his silk robe). For those who care about details, it has a little bit of leopard skin print trim on the pocket. Whoo-eee! If you all sweet talk me enough, I might be persuaded to take a picture of it and post here. Unfortunately, Ellery won't be in it because he is wearing a "new woolly robe" given to him by Colson which "does not show all the way to France." Too bad....

Leslie
Prop mistress and archivist, on a good day   

Care about details?  As in obsessed with minutiae?  I do believe you're singing my song, my Royal Highness, Queen of Schmoop, fantastic fic writer, magnificent mod (let me know if you need more sweet nothings - I'll be happy to oblige   ;)

Your loyal subject,
Marie

P.S. Not even a wooly robe that doesn't show all the way to France can diminish Ellery's Squeeworthiness! 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on May 01, 2007, 03:14:34 am
Quote from: mariez on April 30, 2007, 06:01:41 pm


P.S. Not even a wooly robe that doesn't show all the way to France can diminish Ellery's Squeeworthiness! 

 :laugh:  :laugh:

You're right of course Marie. Although 'all the way to France' certainly has its good points  8)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 01, 2007, 05:28:12 am
There are other things Ellery wears that show all the way to France though.

Something to keep in mind.

By the way I have not got a lot of feedback on the most recent chapters and how people feel about the subtle but nonetheless important additions to Colson's inner dialogue.

Any ... thoughts?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 01, 2007, 07:45:13 am
Everyone,

We have an important anniversary coming up on Thursday, May 3rd...that is the day, one year ago, that Louise began writing "Taking Chances." In her original vision it was going to be a short story, detailing the visit of a rural gay man to a discreet "men's club" in the city. One million words later...

I'd like to have some sort of celebration. Thoughts?

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 01, 2007, 06:29:22 pm
Quote from: belbbmfan on May 01, 2007, 03:14:34 am

. . . . Although 'all the way to France' certainly has its good points  8) 

Can't argue with that, Fabienne!   ;D

Quote from: louise van hine on May 01, 2007, 05:28:12 am

Any ... thoughts?

You bet. . . . just need to do another, slower re-read and gather them coherently.


Quote from: MaineWriter on May 01, 2007, 07:45:13 am
.  . . One million words later... 

Holy crap - are you serious?  A million.  That's mind-boggling - a million amazing words.  Ideas? A few words on what "Taking Chances" and the entire saga means to you? (I could write more than just a few words on that).  On a lighter note -
Favorite moments by category?  Favorite Wayne-isms?  Wes-isms?  Favorite Ellery pose?  Favorite getting fancy moment? 

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on May 02, 2007, 12:19:19 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 01, 2007, 07:45:13 am
Everyone,

We have an important anniversary coming up on Thursday, May 3rd...that is the day, one year ago, that Louise began writing "Taking Chances." In her original vision it was going to be a short story, detailing the visit of a rural gay man to a discreet "men's club" in the city. One million words later...

I'd like to have some sort of celebration. Thoughts?

Leslie

I love Marie's idea! 
Although I can safely say that my favorite getting fancy moment would be practically, um, all of them.. 8)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 02, 2007, 06:18:01 am
Everyone,

Louise will be beginning an epic journey at 2 pm tomorrow (midnight tonight, EDT). I have written a few details about it in my blog, "From the World International Headquarters" over on the Your Daily Thoughts board.

Please hold Louise close in your hearts and minds as she travels (literally) around the world.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 02, 2007, 06:25:54 am
I like the idea of favorite moments, favorite scenes, whatever! Let's have fun. Remember, if you post a direct quote that references Ellery's devoted and loving life partner, his name is Colson now, so please edit accordingly.

Just to get things started...

Favorite Wayne-ism (and this is from memory): "He asked me if I liked to suck cock. What was I goin ta say...NO?"

And this, from "What I Did On My Day Off" is one of my absolute favorite paragraphs...

And rushin down those stairs, throbbin everywhere a man could throb without bein beat up, was when I realized I’d fallen in love with a man I’d just met, and at the moment when there wasn’t a damn thing I could do about it. It was time to be the law. For that half hour, I really fuckin hated my job.

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on May 02, 2007, 06:55:26 am
favorite props maybe?  ;D

I'll go and have a look in the gallery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on May 02, 2007, 10:03:40 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on April 30, 2007, 01:53:42 pm
I have just come into possession of Ellery's "little dress" (his silk robe).


I came across this pic and immediately thought of Ellery in his little dress.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/ellerydress-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on May 02, 2007, 11:26:33 am
Who the heck is that, Jo? lol..
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on May 02, 2007, 03:25:20 pm
Quote from: Lucise on May 02, 2007, 11:26:33 am
Who the heck is that, Jo? lol..

That's Freddie Mercury!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 02, 2007, 04:18:29 pm
I just have a sec - but here's a favorite moment I found when I was looking over the re-read posts (and I know it's one of Leslie's favorites, too) - it is beautiful and sweet and tender and oh-so-sexy all at once:

“You spoil me, Colson, I swear.”

“Thank you,” Colson leaned over, brushing his thumb across Ellery’s damp cheek, pushing loose strands of hair back from Ellery’s forehead and tucking them behind his ear. “It’s cause I love you.” Then Colson leaned down and brushed his lips softly across Ellery’s lips, kissing him as gently as he had penetrated him earlier... giving him a subtle message.

Ahhhh . . . .

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on May 02, 2007, 04:51:52 pm
Quote from: louise van hine on May 01, 2007, 05:28:12 am
There are other things Ellery wears that show all the way to France though.

Something to keep in mind.

By the way I have not got a lot of feedback on the most recent chapters and how people feel about the subtle but nonetheless important additions to Colson's inner dialogue.

Any ... thoughts?

I don't know about the inner dialog, but I found it very interesting that Colson is becoming a more complete person and actually went through the work to get a GED---very interesting, I haven't figured out quite where it came from but it puts him on a more equal footing with people who may possibly judge him for only his grammar and occupation.   It means his circumstances were overcome by his decisions to do the best he could for himself.  Interesting development and somewhat changes the inner idea of who he is, and maybe what he is capable of.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 02, 2007, 09:10:24 pm
Yes, ranchgal, the GED really stood out for me, too, and I agree with your observations.  It also raises many questions for me.  Colson remembers being kicked out of high school - so that explains why he needed a GED - but when did he get kicked out?  And why?  When did he decide to get his GED - and more importantly - why?  Did he have ambitions beyond "horse wrangler" - a specific job or career that required a high school diploma or the equivalent? Did he ever consider going to college?  We know he was married - did he study for and get the GED before he was married, during his marriage?  What was his ex-wife's role in it, if any? For me, Colson's GED is fraught with possibilities for an interesting backstory that affects who he is.

The fact that he was kicked out of high school also made me more aware of some other inner thoughts.  Colson seems to have violent tendencies - was that the reason for his expulsion? While looking at Pete's injuries, he thinks back on Adam's bruises from "rough bouts" when he was "pissed off" - which made me believe that there was more to this than a one-time punch.

Colson also tells Pete that he is 15 years too young for him (I can't remember whether this is a new thought on his part or not - I'm doing this from memory as I don't have the original) - why the specific cut-off point? Does Colson have a specific age in mind for someone new - has he been thinking, even subconcsiously, of the possibility of finding someone new?  That ties into the fact that Colson seems to take stock of his looks in mirror while wondering if he would be attractive to men. 

While baffled by the "queer world" he observes in the bar - Colson doesn't strike me as completely naive.  He figures out on his own why Bill didn't want Gene near Pete instead of having to have Bill spell it out for him.  And when Ellery smiles at the elderly woman who overheard Pete and Wilson's fight - Colson sees through it - even thinks that it appears so genuine - but is in fact insincere.

Colson seems very concerned that Ellery remembers that he said he was from Arapahoe - is he just concerned because he's worried about being dishonest or is there something more?  Colson has some thoughts about feeling the trap and having the "urge to bolt" - has he had this feeling before?  I don't think he has a criminal record - but maybe some bad experience with the law? 

I also found his reaction to Pete's question about Adam "running off" interesting - what exactly did happen to Adam?  Who was he?  Why doesn't he have a grave?  And why did he have an obituary - not everyone gets an obituary written about them when they die.  And speaking of that - why did he learn about his death in that way?  So much to look forward to finding out.

Oh, and one more thing - not an inner thought of Colson's - but I noticed that Bill said the bar was still on the "down low" and I don't remember him making that point before. Make me wonder if there is some significance to it that would have more of an effect on Ellery's life. 

Well, I've rambled long enought.  Gotta run . . . I have some favorite moments to think about!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 03, 2007, 06:04:20 am
Marie and Ranchgal...great thoughts! Thanks for ruminating out loud.

While Louise is traveling there won't be any updates. She had hoped to get one or two chapters done before she left but time ran out. However, once she arrives chez nous and has a chance to get over her jet lag, you can be sure that I will be putting Taking Chances as number one on the to do list. LOL

Happy one year anniversary, everybody!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 03, 2007, 12:46:48 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 03, 2007, 06:04:20 am
.  .  . you can be sure that I will be putting Taking Chances as number one on the to do list. LOL  .  . . 


I love when someone so clearly has their priorities in the right order!  LOL!

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!  and a million thanks for the million beautiful, profound, funny and soul-healing words. 

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 03, 2007, 01:15:46 pm
I thought I would take a quick peek through this thread last night . . but, of course, I got sucked right in . . . here's a few milestone gems that are worth repeating:


Why won’t I hold Ellery’s hand in public?” His chest thundered with the sound of his racing heart, and he forced his eyes open, reached out his hand, and slid it over to where Ellery’s left hand lay passive on his knee, grasping it tightly. Ellery looked up, surprised, and returned the grip, holding on, and then gave Colson a warm smile, a smile that lighted his smoky eyes to bright silver.

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“One glass?”

“We’re celebratin,” Colson said.

“What are we celebratin?”

“You an me, boy, Colson and Ellery.” He lighted the cigar, puffed on it, and leaned over, offering it to Ellery, who took it between his lips. Then he poured a shot of scotch and lifted it. “To us. You belongin ta me, an me belongin ta you.” He took a sip, and handed it to Ellery, who took a sip from it as he handed the cigar back.

“To me belongin ta you, an you belongin ta me,” he repeated, gulping down the fiery liquid, handing the cigar back to Colson who took a puff on it.   


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ellery put the palm of his hand on Colson's sweaty chest. “I ain’t never felt like this about anyone, sweetheart. I want... I want us ta be together like this, like partners. Like... a real married couple.”

“Yeah, ya mentioned....” Colson replied, the color on his face deepening.

“What a you think about that?”

“I think.... I think I want it too.”

“I love you, Colson, I love ya like life itself.” Ellery’s grey eyes swam with tears. Colson leaned in and pressed his lips against his.

“I love ya too darlin. Like life itself.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"We did it!"

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Ahhh..... again

Marie





Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on May 03, 2007, 01:19:41 pm
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/nataligv_2006/hugh-jackman1.jpg)

Happy Anniversary Everybody!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 03, 2007, 01:22:17 pm
Oh, Natali, thanks...I love that picture. And Marie, thanks for those great quotes!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on May 03, 2007, 01:37:27 pm
Here are two of my fave Ellery pics..


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/12e6c898.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/915115ae.jpg)

Happy Anniversary folks!
And thank you, Louise for the fantastic, very enjoyable, million-word long ride!  :-*


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/Anim/2b43b9ca.gif)

I know Louise likes this one ..;-)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/HughJkman/Anim/c7166c25.gif)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 03, 2007, 01:50:19 pm
Thanks, Milli...

Those are definitely some of my favorites, too!

I went digging in the archive and found

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/doohbonat.jpg)

and

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/2841.jpg)

Remember these?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/tejublueblutop.jpg)

and

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/10476.jpg)

and of course....

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/vaseline.jpg)

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 03, 2007, 01:53:15 pm
This is for Marie, because she might have missed it the first time around. When we were all in the feverish throes of extreme Ellery-fever, I went out to lunch. I saw a guy from the back who looked like Ellery (when he turned around, I was sorely disappointed). I had a new camera phone which I barely knew how to use (still don't) but somehow or another, I managed to take a surreptitious picture of the back of this guys head. Here it is....LOL

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/flatbreadcopy.jpg)

In case anyone is wondering, this picture was taken at Flatbread in Portland, Maine. Fabulous food, definitely worth a visit!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on May 03, 2007, 05:36:25 pm
Quote from: mariez on May 02, 2007, 09:10:24 pm
Yes, ranchgal, the GED really stood out for me, too, and I agree with your observations.  It also raises many questions for me.  Colson remembers being kicked out of high school - so that explains why he needed a GED - but when did he get kicked out?  And why?  When did he decide to get his GED - and more importantly - why?  Did he have ambitions beyond "horse wrangler" - a specific job or career that required a high school diploma or the equivalent? Did he ever consider going to college?  We know he was married - did he study for and get the GED before he was married, during his marriage?  What was his ex-wife's role in it, if any? For me, Colson's GED is fraught with possibilities for an interesting backstory that affects who he is.

The fact that he was kicked out of high school also made me more aware of some other inner thoughts.  Colson seems to have violent tendencies - was that the reason for his expulsion? While looking at Pete's injuries, he thinks back on Adam's bruises from "rough bouts" when he was "pissed off" - which made me believe that there was more to this than a one-time punch. 



My thoughts are my own, and you can take them or discard them as you wish, and Louise may well have a completely different explanation when she gets back, but no where did I read that he got "kicked out" of high school---getting his GED simply means he never graduated---and in rural America--quitting, simply not going back, usually because of finances or flunking are the most common reasons for no graduation---my bet is simply he couldn't afford to get to school---if they lived outside of town, and any thing happened to the truck---he simply could not get there any more, so hence his education was done!  Working becomes more important, have to have money for meals and getting the vehicle fixed--only by the time you have worked for that much money, you lose the desire to go back into the classroom, so you just don't go.   
College, very unlikely--one has to have money or some adult support for that stuff--and Colson didn't/doesn't have it--if your family ranched, you grew up with it, and you are good with horses, and most of the people you know are cowboys---you become a cowboy when you are old enough to sit a saddle and judge the situation---I doubt very much Colson ever thought of being anything beyond a ranch hand.     In my own head, I tend to think he got the GED after he was married, and before the kids were too old.  He simply wouldn't have thought about it earlier, unless one of his bosses insisted on it, and it wouldn't have bothered him until his kids were about to go.  but there again, my own thoughts, Louise may have a different take on it entirely.

  I also doubt that he and Adam really fought much beyond that one punch-tempers naturally flare during physical bouts, and pissed off or not, I think it was a lot more wrestling than punching between them--I think the bruises are from rough and tumble sex(conquest), and wrestling that they did out on the trail---natural testosterone at work--Cowboys are physical---have to be, comes with the territory, part of the situation and the Western mindset.    He may have a temper, but I doubt he did much hitting on anyone he cared about, or in any situation that could land him trouble, simply because it costs too much to get out of it.  Common horse sense dictates, when you fight and when you walk away, and Colson has quite a bit of horse sense.

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Colson also tells Pete that he is 15 years too young for him (I can't remember whether this is a new thought on his part or not - I'm doing this from memory as I don't have the original) - why the specific cut-off point? Does Colson have a specific age in mind for someone new - has he been thinking, even subconcsiously, of the possibility of finding someone new?  That ties into the fact that Colson seems to take stock of his looks in mirror while wondering if he would be attractive to men. 

While baffled by the "queer world" he observes in the bar - Colson doesn't strike me as completely naive.  He figures out on his own why Bill didn't want Gene near Pete instead of having to have Bill spell it out for him.  And when Ellery smiles at the elderly woman who overheard Pete and Wilson's fight - Colson sees through it - even thinks that it appears so genuine - but is in fact insincere.


Colson is a man---he is mature enough to have grown daughters, why would he have any attraction to a kid their age??   He isn't interested in Pete, because Pete has nothing in common with him--Pete is stupid kid, with no common sense, and nothing of value for Colson---Colson is looking for a man--who has similar values/maturity levels to his own---aren't we all???  I don't think it is an age thing as much as a mindset thing---you enjoy company of people who have similar values to your own---and that is what Colson is researching, in my opinion--if there are any other queer men who are like himself, and NOT like wierd little boys who like sex like Pete.   I also think it is obvious that Colson is coming around to the possibility of being with someone else---he has too, otherwise he would never have been able to set foot inside the bar.  He just simply isn't going to be with someone just because they are queer--they have to be a man similar to Colson himself.    And I don't think Colson is naive--he has been married, had babies, his girls went to public schools, he is divorced---he has been in bars before---you just have to realize how isolated some rural areas are--he isn't ignorant of people, just inexperienced about his own situation and how it relates to others of the same persuation.


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Colson seems very concerned that Ellery remembers that he said he was from Arapahoe - is he just concerned because he's worried about being dishonest or is there something more?  Colson has some thoughts about feeling the trap and having the "urge to bolt" - has he had this feeling before?  I don't think he has a criminal record - but maybe some bad experience with the law? 

When you are in a strange town, among strange people, esp. strange law enforcement officers--you are uncomfortable.   Lots of small towns meet the quota of fines by picking on strangers coming out bars--and authority figures are never something to take lightly.   He is merely uncomfortable-because he has been a long way from the road for a long time.   Plus the fact that he is very hesitant about doing what he really went there to do, add that into the mix and then have the Law be gay too---which is something he has never imagined--and he is somewhat nervous---sort of like a feral animal that comes into the farmstead and finds itself surrounded --the whole thing seems like you are trapped in too small of a space with too many others knowing your business.  Natural reaction.  and urge to bolt, is an easy quick way to remove yourself from the situation.   Colson is a cowboy, and on Saturday night the foolish ones, end up sleeping it off in jail---that is what he knows about law enforcement.

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I also found his reaction to Pete's question about Adam "running off" interesting - what exactly did happen to Adam?  Who was he?  Why doesn't he have a grave?  And why did he have an obituary - not everyone gets an obituary written about them when they die.  And speaking of that - why did he learn about his death in that way?  So much to look forward to finding out.

Oh, and one more thing - not an inner thought of Colson's - but I noticed that Bill said the bar was still on the "down low" and I don't remember him making that point before. Make me wonder if there is some significance to it that would have more of an effect on Ellery's life. 

Well, I've rambled long enought.  Gotta run . . . I have some favorite moments to think about!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 03, 2007, 06:52:50 pm
Hi Ranchgal,

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. My post was simply an attempt to oblige Louise when she asked "how people feel about the subtle but nonetheless important additions to Colson's inner dialogue." - I'm certainly not trying to impose any of my thoughts on anyone  - that's what they are - musings - not facts.

I do understand what a GED is - I've actually taught night classes to adults working towards their GED.  I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration to the adults who choose to do this - it's hard work!  A lot of high school grads might have a hard time passing a GED test!  :)  My reference to Colson being kicked out is taken directly from paragraph 15 of Chapter 7:

"But he wondered if he would have felt different if this were when he was just kicked out of high school, and instead of Adam, it was Pete out in the canyon with him."

This is new to the story - and I'm guessing it is one of the "subtle but nonetheless important additions" that Louise was referring to.  I certainly didn't mean any disrespect to the character with my thoughts and I wasn't disparaging the hard-working residents of rural America   I may be wrong, but it is my impression that we are dealing with a new character here - so not everything that applied before will apply now.  I don't know exactly who Colson is yet - so that's the reason for all the questions.  The previous character's truck broke down and he couldn't make it to high school - but that isn't mentioned here - getting kicked out is - and the previous character didn't have adult support - but I don't know yet whether that's true for Colson because I don't know his compete history yet.   You may be absolutely correct that Colson had no ambitions beyond ranch hand, but I don't know Colson well enough yet. Please don't misunderstand - I'm not making any definite prounencements - just kind of thinking out loud and wondering-  I'm simply throwing questions out.  As I said, I know what hard work it is to study for the GED and I'm anxious to discover Colson's motivation!

 I agree with you that Colson is a mature man and is not naive.  I have stated before that the original character is a very smart man - and that being educated is not the same as being smart - some of the smartest people I know are not educated in the traditional way.  I'm not sure what I said that may have given you a different impression - but, again, I apologize if I seemed to be discrediting rural America. 

I added my thoughts on the bruises and rough bouts because that is a change in the story - they replace the remembrance of the one punch.  I don't know exactly what it means yet -  again, I was just trying to find the differences that Louise was referring to to the best of my memory and throw out some thoughts.  I'm not putting the character down.  I'm figuring that if Louise changed it there must be a reason.

The same with the reference to the trap and the urge to bolt - those references were not in the original story - so I'm just throwing some thoughts out about why they may have been added - I don't know why yet myself.  I do know that Louise always manages to surprise me and I'm looking forward to it!  :)

Thanks again,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 03, 2007, 11:14:53 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 03, 2007, 01:53:15 pm
This is for Marie, because she might have missed it the first time around. When we were all in the feverish throes of extreme Ellery-fever, I went out to lunch. I saw a guy from the back who looked like Ellery (when he turned around, I was sorely disappointed). I had a new camera phone which I barely knew how to use (still don't) but somehow or another, I managed to take a surreptitious picture of the back of this guys head. Here it is....LOL

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/flatbreadcopy.jpg)

In case anyone is wondering, this picture was taken at Flatbread in Portland, Maine. Fabulous food, definitely worth a visit!

L

OMG ,LOL is right!  I have to thank you on three counts, Leslie.  First, for the laugh - I can just picture you seeing the hair and thinking "Ellery!" and scrambling for a picture!  Second, for making me feel that I'm not insane - well, no, that's not exactly true - I am insane - but it's good to know I'm not alone in my insanity.  And third, for making me feel better that I don't know how to use half of the features on my phone!    :laugh:

Thanks,
Marie

P.S.  Being sorely disappointed was kind of a given - I mean what can compare?   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on May 03, 2007, 11:49:56 pm
Mariez, thanks, I have been reading it from Chapter 1, but must have been doing more speeding and taking for granted than word for word-I'll go re read it and see if I get it this time!  because that sentence didn't register with me the first time through.  ;D I did re-read it, and I got it now-you were absolutely right-LOL   And I am thinking you are right in your assessment that Colson is much darker than the first story had him.    Interesting, not sure I like it as well, but definately different.

and maybe I am thinking too much backward, and not enough forward---so you are probably right on with your observations, as while Colson is going in the direction of being a totally new man, I may still be hanging on to attributes I still feel about the past story.   I will maybe have to reevaluate how  I view who Colson is-and make adjustments as we find out more--at least this is making me think and be aware of  more. LOL

next day:
Re-read your thoughts again  and I thought about it some last night, I knew lots of guys that were occasionally suspended from high school, for fighting, and some anti social meaness, or cheating-even a few girls for having their skirts too short--3 days, 7 days, sometimes 2 weeks---but to actually get "kicked out" and not be allowed to return---that puts Colson in a LOSER category for me.   To get that kind of treatment he had to have been truly anti-social, or cruel, not just physical---lots of chronic fighting or threatening a teacher--and if it turns out he is just  mean, I don't know if I can generate the sympathy/humaness he should have.
You are right too about his thoughts about leaving Adam black and blue don't speak well of him at all---within that context that he is violent and threatening--makes him sound more like an abuser than a lover.    And that is not a quality that makes me care about him.     I never got that feeling from the first set of story qualities at all.
     Almost wish I hadn't answered and found out the truth, as it does totally change who he is or who he might be for me.  I would have been blissfully ignorant of the truth, and hence be more tolerant of him.     Bad breaks enlist my empathy, and tolerance---conscious acts of anti-social behavior leave me colder than ice.     He may have taken care of Pete sort of, but his flashbacks to Adam make him less than attractive.   Now I wonder too how Louise will justify who he is, and how he got that way.
And what will have changed between then and now to actually make him a man Ellery can care about, not just be physically attracted to???    I may be wishing she would have started farther back and built up more background before she revamped the old format to fit the new story ideas.   
I obviously tend to cling to the more Ennis like characteristics that I want to find in Colson.  And I tend to want to keep some of the BBM  based "understood"  sentimentalities because  IF he changes too much, I may find I don't care for him nearly as much.   And then I will never understand how Ellery could care for him as much either.  So I may have to completely readjust how I read and think of this story now.  But if I abandon all the "understood" things, and just go with the flow of a totally new story, I am not going to get or have the same understanding or feeling for the story.  Will just have to wait and see how Louise develops this.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 04, 2007, 05:59:24 am
Good morning everyone! Louise called me at 1:15 am (my time) to say she was in London, waiting for the bus to go from Heathrow to Gatwick, to  begin the penultimate leg of her journey, to Cincinnati. She also said, "I wrote a chapter! I started a new story!" I don't know what it is or what it is about, but I still think that's exciting news. We'll keep you posted.

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 04, 2007, 12:26:46 pm
Thanks for the update, Leslie.  Glad to hear Louise has been writing on her loooooong journey - that is exciting news.  Cincinnati?  Getting closer - but Good God - I guess it really is true that you can't get there from here - seems like you can't get anywhere from anywhere!  LOL!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MadLori on May 04, 2007, 12:37:22 pm
Hi everyone...okay, I haven't been around this thread, but I saw an update and I'm totally confused.

Who the heck is Colson?  Seems Louise is rewriting the Saga to be original and not fanfic, removing the BBM connection?  Am i right?

Is the original Saga ever coming back?  Because I've started re-reading it and I'm jonesing for the post-Taking Chances installments and they're nowhere to be found.

Louise also unfriended me.  :-(  I don't know why.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 04, 2007, 12:54:00 pm
Hey, Ranchgal!

Thanks again for your comments - I'm a little alarmed, though :-\ - I didn't intend for my thoughts to make you view the story or Colson in a more negative light!  That's not my view point at all. 

Just to clarify a couple things - I think that Colson may be a slightly darker character (and maybe darker isn't exactly the word I would choose, but I'll got with it for now  :) - but I certainly do not view him as "much" darker.  I also do not believe that being kicked out of high school automatically makes someone a loser - we haven't been told any of the particulars of that event so it would be way to early for me to jump to that conclusion or make that assumption.  Human beings have a great capacity for growth and change - especially from our volatile teen-age years.  I also don't have enough information to totally judge his flashbacks about Adam yet, either.   Speaking objectively here - as much as I love the original character - and I do - it can't be denied that he was also a complex person with violent tendencies.  All the major characters in the original story are flawed and scarred - but just trying to do their best.  And that's how I see Colson right now - as a person full of regret and confusion - but an honorable person - one who tries to do the right thing - but may sometimes fail.  One of the many things I love about Louise's writing is that she never shies away from the tough stuff - she always keeps it real - and I don't doubt that is one thing that won't change!  I don't know that you have to completely "abandon" anything  - maybe just keep an open mind and see where the new developments take us!   :)

Thanks again,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on May 04, 2007, 11:08:50 pm
Thanks Marie, guess that is good advice, to keep a more open mind---and remember to READ it more carefully and not take passages you think you know for granted. LOL ;D



MadLori-yes, you got it---on page 614 reply 1866 Louise posts about revamping the LS into totally original work-and eliminating any characters/situations/places from the BBM/LS stories.   everything in her stories now will be completely hers.
She also posted on the Laramie Saga thread, page 125 reply 1866 that she was locking her journal till the story got reworked and they were ready to start over again.

Hope your vacation was good!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 05, 2007, 01:58:41 pm
Oh.... wow.

I am amazed at the intensive discussion surrounding the additions to the story - I don't think you folks missed a period or a comma!

I do wish to reassure you, however, as I get back into the swing of having full time internet and taking my mind off my foot and my old job and back into the swing of writing, editing, and revamping 'Taking Chances...' there will be more back story, and I do not have all of the answers to your questions, Ranchgal, nor all of the clarifications that you were seeking, Marie, but I can tell you there are many areas which were only lightly sketched, for example Colson's educational background and professional aspirations, and the entire relationship with Adam and the 'type of man' comment and his regrets about the roughness between them.  The back story should help bring out clarifications to this and it thrills me endlessly that there is new interest in the tale a year after I wrote it!

And Leslie is making me lunch so I can get with the program now!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: ranchgal on May 05, 2007, 02:34:33 pm
Food is always GOOD!!   Thanks for the update.
 ;D :D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 05, 2007, 03:43:20 pm
Hey, Louise!

Nice to see you've arrived safe and sound.  You're getting with the program pretty quickly - I'd probably still be unconscious after that epic journey.  Love the backstory you've been setting up for us - and the way we've been getting little bits and pieces throughout the chapters - whets the appetite for sure.

I'm not so sure about missing a period or a comma - I was comparing by memory mostly - although it did strike me as I was reading that I must have read and re-read those orginal early chapters an embarrassing number of times! LOL! 

Enjoy your lunch. As Virginia Woolf said - "One cannot live well, love well or sleep well unless one has dined well."  (and I'd insert "write well" to that list  :)  ).

Thanks for the update - I'm thrilled that you're thrilled. 
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 05, 2007, 10:02:59 pm
Edits of 'Taking Chances' are in Leslie's hands .
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 06, 2007, 09:04:04 am
Hi everyone,

Chapter 22. A Night's Work

http://louisev.livejournal.com/8069.html

Open to the friends group. Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 06, 2007, 09:34:10 am
Hi all,

Chapter 23. Moment of Truth

http://louisev.livejournal.com/8435.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 06, 2007, 12:23:59 pm
I am enjoying - thanks.  And it's official now - Colson has captured my heart.  :)

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 07, 2007, 01:41:13 pm
Chapter 24. The Journal

http://louisev.livejournal.com/8558.html

Open to the friends group.

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 07, 2007, 02:34:06 pm
Chapter 25. Colson's First

http://louisev.livejournal.com/8942.html

is now open to the friends group. Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 07, 2007, 02:40:05 pm
Chapter 26. Getting Fancy

http://louisev.livejournal.com/8985.html

is now open to the friends group.

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 07, 2007, 04:08:44 pm
Squee - we're getting fancy! 

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 07, 2007, 05:14:17 pm
feedback as always welcome, particularly as the details of Colson's backstory and biography come out in chapter 25.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 07, 2007, 07:21:23 pm
I'm anxious to learn more about Adam- he's a bit of mystery man.  Looks like Colson has some fear that he may have "run off" with someone and it also appears that he was not married - at least not at the time of his "accident" (maybe not ever married -because Colson mentions that Adam didn't like the fact that he got married (sounds a bit like Ellery). The accident is also a mystery - no specifics at all given -maybe Adam's mother wasn't ever told specifics?  It looks like Colson has been getting any information he does have from Adam's mother. Adam's occupation also appears to be a little sketchy - at least Colson's knowledge of it. 

Now I've got a mystery inside of a mystery - I love that! 

Thanks,
Marie

P.S.  Have to say that no matter how many times I read these couple chapters I'm always amazed at how deftly and masterfully you handled this "first time" for Colson and Ellery.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 08, 2007, 04:46:15 am
I myself was a little surprirsed that this, the second draft edit for the story, left little to do on the 'First time' and 'Gettin Fancy' chapters.

And yes here is where I start filling in back story that will make the Justin Worrell case far more coherent.  When I was first turning my story into a full-blown murder mystery originally I felt a little like 'stuffing a 7 pound rooster into a 2 quart jar' as Adam's momma might say, and I am now free to reconceptualize some of the sketchier details into a much more coherent frame.

and I have to say it is a big relief!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 08, 2007, 03:45:05 pm
Hi everyone,

Two chapters for the friends' group!

Chapter 27. Dawn

http://louisev.livejournal.com/9425.html

Chapter 28. Plan B

http://louisev.livejournal.com/9629.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 08, 2007, 07:00:34 pm
Thanks, L & L, for the newest chapters. 

I'm curious about Adam's "mystery" job - did it involve real estate as Colson mentioned earlier. Why didn't his mother know about it - and what does Colson know? Or is Colson jumping to conclusions?  It's going to be very interesting to see this investigation unfold.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 09, 2007, 08:09:18 am
I have sent the next three chapters to my Editor in Chief, but she is out of town for the next 8 hours or so, chapters will be up later.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 09, 2007, 10:37:37 pm
Well, the Editor-in-Chief got waylaid by work, a conference call and then dinner, but she is finally back on the job!

Chapter 29. Complications

http://louisev.livejournal.com/9903.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 09, 2007, 10:56:17 pm
I am on a roll....

Chapter 30. The Assault

http://louisev.livejournal.com/10106.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 09, 2007, 11:16:48 pm
Last one for tonight....

Chapter 31. Hot Tempers

http://louisev.livejournal.com/10433.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on May 10, 2007, 01:20:26 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 09, 2007, 11:16:48 pm
Last one for tonight....

Chapter 31. Hot Tempers

http://louisev.livejournal.com/10433.html

Enjoy!

L

I need a day off... I can't keep up!

Isn't that great though?  ;)


thanks for all the effort you put in rewriting this story.  :-*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 10, 2007, 07:28:21 am
Wow - all three after that long day  - thanks - you got my morning off to a great start!

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 10, 2007, 07:48:09 am
what what what - you want us to slow down?

we can do that, right Leslie?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 10, 2007, 12:28:37 pm
NO!  No slowing down!  LOL!

I'm caught up and ready for more. 

So Colson's an only child - interesting bit of information.  Ya know, Colson feels "pride" watching Ellery in his role as hard-edged detective - and I'm betting he doesn't realize that Ellery must be regarding him with the same admiration while watching Colson handle hysterical Gene so ably and with so much control. 

And no matter how many times I read it, the line about Gene standing in the doorway posing for Playgirl makes me lol. 

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 10, 2007, 12:37:50 pm
No slowing down but the title of chapter 32 seems a bit coincidental...


Chapter 32. Slow

http://louisev.livejournal.com/10565.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 10, 2007, 01:36:05 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 10, 2007, 12:37:50 pm
No slowing down but the title of chapter 32 seems a bit coincidental...   

LOL!  Except that we know there aren't really any coincidences, are there?  (A wise man named Tom once told me that.)  ;)

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 10, 2007, 01:46:53 pm
Quote from: mariez on May 10, 2007, 01:36:05 pm
LOL!  Except that we know there aren't really any coincidences, are there?  (A wise man named Tom once told me that.)  ;)

Thanks,
Marie

This is true....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 10, 2007, 01:53:26 pm
This is for you, Marie....

Ellery's little black dress!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/DSCN0305.jpg)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 10, 2007, 06:34:11 pm
Ha Ha!  Complete with leopard skin detailing on the pocket - love it.  Hmmm.... a leopard and a coyote tanglin' - no wonder there are fireworks!   ;D


And Colson has twin daughters!  Another very interesting tidbit - I wonder if they are identical.  I'm having such a great time reading these chapters and finding these little puzzle pieces.   :D

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 11, 2007, 08:24:44 am
Good morning, friends....

Chapter 34. In Uniform

http://louisev.livejournal.com/11226.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 11, 2007, 12:31:00 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 11, 2007, 08:24:44 am
Good morning, friends....

Chapter 34. In Uniform

http://louisev.livejournal.com/11226.html

Leslie

Ah ha!  Another piece of the puzzle falls into place - I had a feeling Colson had had some kind of interaction with the police back home - and now it all makes perfect sense.  I can't even imagine what had to have been going through Colson's mind when the police found him at the motel.  Holy Crap!  I like how Colson took charge and set Ellery straight - so to speak - about the whispering and suggestive comments and how Colson realizes that he's learning things about himself. 

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 11, 2007, 03:06:18 pm
yup

and there will be more backstory as well, though I had not planned to change the chapter structure at this point....
 
very perceptive of you, Marie!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 11, 2007, 04:34:18 pm
Hello friends,

Chapter 35. A Clue

http://louisev.livejournal.com/11350.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 11, 2007, 06:57:11 pm
Aww.. and hmmm... to Colson's reaction to Pete's badly bruised face. And what's with the "Cole" and "Colson" - I wonder if Ellery will bring that up.  Was Wes just being friendly or are there really other Cantrells still floating around somewhere that he knows?

Thanks!
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on May 11, 2007, 11:34:38 pm
Leslie

Chapter 33 is missing, please unlock the chapter.  Thanks.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 12, 2007, 05:22:01 am
I unlocked chapter 33, thanks for catching that, Betty.

The chapter is:

http://louisev.livejournal.com/10865.html " 33:  Thinking"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 12, 2007, 07:02:41 am
Quote from: yb on May 11, 2007, 11:34:38 pm
Leslie

Chapter 33 is missing, please unlock the chapter.  Thanks.



Sorry about that, yb! Louise unlocked it....

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 12, 2007, 07:53:47 am
An early morning present for all of you!

Chapter 36. Choices

http://louisev.livejournal.com/11538.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: yb on May 12, 2007, 08:15:27 am
Thanks, Louise & Leslie, for fixing the chapter.  I'm way behind in reading this story, I hope I'll catch up soon.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 13, 2007, 01:45:34 pm
Hello friends,

Chapter 37. Confrontation

http://louisev.livejournal.com/11906.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 13, 2007, 06:22:48 pm
A mother's day bonus for all of you:

Chapter 38. The Other Shoe

http://louisev.livejournal.com/12080.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 14, 2007, 10:26:15 am
Thanks for the two chapters!  Yep, a very nice mother's day bonus, indeed.

So Colson is headed out to the wild - I'm curious to see exactly where in the wild - or maybe there isn't an exact "where."  Either way, I'm looking forward to more.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on May 14, 2007, 01:03:21 pm
I'm all caught up! Finally.

Even though the story is familiar (well the broad story lines), it's very interesting to read and see what what changes were made because this is now Colson's and Ellery's story.
It's fun to have a 'hey, that's new!' moment reading the new story.

SPOILERISH




*sigh* I love it that Ellery calls Colson 'sweetheart' right from the beginning...

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 15, 2007, 03:49:51 pm
*slog slog slog* several geographical research hours later....

Leslie is doing the edits on Chapter 39 and here are some photographic views of the Escudilla:

first:

Escudilla Mountain, Apache County, Arizona, the third highest peak in Arizona, in the White Mountains.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/499818174_4be258a139_m.jpg)



second, the wild blue sage that Colson puts on Adam's grave near near the highest point of the Escudilla:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/499899841_6221eb881b.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 15, 2007, 04:00:30 pm
Here you go, folks!

Chapter 39. The Wild

http://louisev.livejournal.com/12463.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 15, 2007, 05:37:06 pm
Yes, I can imagine there would be some new research involved.  Thanks for the gorgeous pictures, Louise.  I can see it perfectly:  Colson Grey in the White Mountains with the wild blue sage. 

That was an achingly beautiful chapter.  I wonder if Adam ever did work for his father again.  And what Colson did immediately upon returning to to his "regular" life. 

And a big thank you to Editor-in-Chief, Leslie, too.   :)

Looking forward, as always,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 16, 2007, 07:19:52 am
Good morning all,

Chapter 40. The Wild

http://louisev.livejournal.com/12649.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 16, 2007, 07:43:31 am
Get reading, folks!

Chapter 41. Surprises

http://louisev.livejournal.com/12990.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on May 16, 2007, 02:43:47 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 16, 2007, 07:43:31 am
Get reading, folks!

Chapter 41. Surprises

http://louisev.livejournal.com/12990.html

Okay, okay. Not that I need any encouragement!  ;D

Quote from: MaineWriter on May 16, 2007, 07:43:31 am
Enjoy!

Leslie

I did! After a day of running around, doing a million errands and what not, a chapter like this is just what i need! 'Holy god, Lord a mighty' indeed!  :o


Thank you L & L!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 16, 2007, 02:54:08 pm
Hello everyone!

Chapter 42. New Man

http://louisev.livejournal.com/13196.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 16, 2007, 03:29:06 pm
Okay, I'm caught up, too!   :D    Whew!   

And yeah, Fabienne - good catch on the "sweetheart" thing - I do believe Ellery has fallen into that almost immediately - and I haven't noticed any objections from Colson - of course, he hasn't done it in public yet! 

Keep 'em coming!

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on May 17, 2007, 12:09:37 am
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/averybell/hugh-jackman-australia-set.jpg)

Here's a recent shot of Hugh in his role as a hunky drover (Aussie cowboy) on the set of the film he is shooting up in Queensland.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 17, 2007, 07:00:10 am
*swoon*

Now how do we get him into his dress blacks is the question?
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 17, 2007, 11:46:02 am
Hello Friends!

Chapter 43. Reward

http://louisev.livejournal.com/13534.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 17, 2007, 12:32:40 pm
And another!

Chapter 44. Sticking Around

http://louisev.livejournal.com/13727.html

Good lunchtime reading for those in the US...bedtime reading for our European friends!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 17, 2007, 12:57:53 pm
Woo Wee. Yep, perfect lunchtime reading.  I'm intrigued by determined Adam -  with the dark eyes and the "babe" and worrying about what his daddy thought of his friends.  Not to mention the idea of him hunting Colson down on ranches . . . lots of great stuff to ponder.

Thanks, L & L!
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 17, 2007, 08:55:21 pm
A late night treat....

Chapter 45. Showdown

http://louisev.livejournal.com/14060.html

Enjoy all..!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 18, 2007, 12:52:20 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 17, 2007, 08:55:21 pm
A late night treat.... 

Missed it last night - but it sure made a tasty lunch treat.  Glad the boys got their rhythm back.  Now I have to find a way to get Gloria Estefan out of my brain  . . . O eh, o eh, o eh, oo aah . . . the rhythm is gonna get'cha.   ;D

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: Lumière on May 18, 2007, 01:17:51 pm
Quote from: magicmountain on May 17, 2007, 12:09:37 am
...

Here's a recent shot of Hugh in his role as a hunky drover (Aussie cowboy) on the set of the film he is shooting up in Queensland.

He sure is lookin mighty fine in that pic, Jo!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 20, 2007, 10:09:02 am
Today is a special anniversary for me...it was exactly one year ago today (May 20th) that I started reading "Taking Chances." At that point Louise had written 74 chapters. I sat down for a marathon read and became completely hooked. Four days later, I sent Louise an email saying how much I enjoyed the story. From there...who would have believed that one year later she would be sitting across from me at my kitchen table and we would be working together to revise and edit the story? What a year it has been!

Happy anniversary to me and congratulations to Louise!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on May 20, 2007, 11:34:04 am
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY LESLIE  :-*  :-*  :-*

And a big thank you for telling us about it!

My anniversary is the day you posted the link here on bettermost. If you hadn't done that, maybe i would never have discovered this incredible, moving, funny, hot, sweet and beautiful story.  :o A disturbing thought indeed.

*off to catch up on the latest chapters*
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 20, 2007, 01:14:54 pm
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY, LESLIE AND CONGRATULATIONS, LOUISE!!!!

I believe I first discovered the saga in August 2006 - don't know the exact date - but I do remember the first chapter I ever read - Chapter 45 - entitled "Roleplaying"  from Book IV, "Shelter from the Storm."   ;D  Let's just say I was more than intrigued! I also went back and did an almost marathon read from Book I on.  Real life?  What real life?  LOL!!  Fabienne is right - the thought of not discovering these stories is indeed disturbing!

What an amazing journey for both of you, L&L - and a fortunate one for all us readers.  To have two of my favorite writers working together is heavenly   :)

Thanks for all your hard work - truly a labor of love.
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 20, 2007, 09:04:03 pm
Happy Sunday evening, everyone...

For those in the US, an evening treat. Our European friends will wake up to....

Chapter 46. Dealing with Bill

http://louisev.livejournal.com/14324.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 20, 2007, 09:15:45 pm
And another...

Chapter 47. Emergency

http://louisev.livejournal.com/14469.html

Have fun!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on May 21, 2007, 06:49:17 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 20, 2007, 09:04:03 pm
Happy Sunday evening, everyone...

For those in the US, an evening treat. Our European friends will wake up to....

Chapter 46. Dealing with Bill

http://louisev.livejournal.com/14324.html

Enjoy!

Leslie


It's lunchtime actually for me, but, hey, anytime is a good 'Ellery and Colson time'  :)


*sigh*


I've always loved that line 'Without discussing anything in detail, they fell into a sort of domestic rhythm'. Despite the relationship being very fresh, it's as if both of them are already at a point where they can't imagine being without the other.

Great stuff Louise! Over and over again.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 21, 2007, 07:25:02 am
Hello everyone,

Chapter 48. Lucky

http://louisev.livejournal.com/14767.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 21, 2007, 10:19:21 am
And another...

Chapter 49. Against Advice

http://louisev.livejournal.com/14888.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: magicmountain on May 21, 2007, 10:46:36 am
Hugh Jackman sighting as best man in Sydney wedding

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/05/19/hugh-jackman-winking/
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 21, 2007, 11:07:09 am
Oh, good link, Jo! Thanks!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh-jackman-winking.gif)

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: opinionista on May 21, 2007, 11:39:55 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 21, 2007, 11:07:09 am
Oh, good link, Jo! Thanks!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/hugh-jackman-winking.gif)

L

LOL I really thought I was hallucinating when I saw Hugh's picture winking at me! LOL
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 21, 2007, 11:45:38 am
Quote from: opinionista on May 21, 2007, 11:39:55 am
LOL I really thought I was hallucinating when I saw Hugh's picture winking at me! LOL


Sort of like the Daily Prophet, isn't it, Natali?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 21, 2007, 12:49:58 pm
Cool!  Four new chapters for my lunchtime read.  Thanks.

My brother lives out west, and I remember him telling me about "the Beast" that Nate refers to (U.S. 666 a/k/a The Devil's Highway) having it's number changed just a few years ago because of the controversy surrounding it. 

Thanks for the great link and the pic, Jo and Leslie. I imagine Hugh is the "best man" wherever he goes.   ;) And, yeah, I did a double-take at the wink, too.   ;D

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 23, 2007, 08:30:14 am
Hello everyone,

Chapter 50. Missing

http://louisev.livejournal.com/15191.html

A chapter with a memorable last line:

“Shit, boy, that was great,” Colson said, reaching for the box of cigars that lay on the coffee table.

“Good movie, wasn’t it?” Ellery replied.

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 23, 2007, 12:11:01 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 23, 2007, 08:30:14 am

“Good movie, wasn’t it?” Ellery replied. 

Yes, indeedy, Ellery!  Definitely need repeat viewings.   ;D

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 23, 2007, 04:15:21 pm
Another chapter!

Chapter 51. Breakfast With The Doughboy

http://louisev.livejournal.com/15463.html

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/doohbonat.jpg)

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 25, 2007, 06:54:51 am
Just in time for lunch for our European readers, just in time for breakfast for those in the US, and for yb in Hong Kong, a dinnertime treat!

Chapter 52. Back at the Stallion

http://louisev.livejournal.com/15620.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on May 25, 2007, 08:21:32 am
gee I guess I finally timed things correctly!

Please feel free to post feedback, however, you may notice that in this particular area of the story, very little has changed outside of copyediting.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 25, 2007, 12:43:24 pm
Quote from: louise van hine on May 25, 2007, 08:21:32 am
gee I guess I finally timed things correctly!

Please feel free to post feedback, however, you may notice that in this particular area of the story, very little has changed outside of copyediting.

As long as you keep writing and editing, the timing can never be incorrect.   :)

Interesting reading this knownig that Colson has a legbone growing in his ear even as they speak  :-\ - but I kind of like the way they are grumbling at each other.  It shows a degree of familiarity and comfort.

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 26, 2007, 09:02:50 am
Morning everyone,

Chapter 53. Overdoing It

http://louisev.livejournal.com/16004.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on May 26, 2007, 01:03:44 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on May 26, 2007, 09:02:50 am
Morning everyone,

Chapter 53. Overdoing It

http://louisev.livejournal.com/16004.html

Evening Leslie and Louise!

Quote from: MaineWriter on May 26, 2007, 09:02:50 am
Enjoy!

Leslie

I did, thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 28, 2007, 08:19:20 am
Good morning all!

A classic chapter for this holiday day...

Chapter 54. Wild Bronc

http://louisev.livejournal.com/16211.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 29, 2007, 07:40:15 am
Hello everyone,

Chapter 55. Irregularities

http://louisev.livejournal.com/16519.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 29, 2007, 08:11:35 am
And another...

Chapter 56. The Calm Before The Storm

http://louisev.livejournal.com/16726.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on May 29, 2007, 11:32:49 am
Wee!  Three new chapters.  Thanks! 

Marie

P.S.  Gotta love "the classics!"   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 30, 2007, 03:18:12 pm
Another classic chapter!

Chapter 57. Two Hundred Proof Man

http://louisev.livejournal.com/16984.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on May 30, 2007, 03:55:26 pm
Another for today...

Chapter 58. Gathering Evidence

http://louisev.livejournal.com/17168.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 01, 2007, 05:18:00 pm
Chapter 59. Saturday Night

http://louisev.livejournal.com/17589.html

Everyone can enjoy Saturday night on Friday night...LOL

Have fun!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 01, 2007, 05:26:12 pm
Chapter 60. The Man I Loved

http://louisev.livejournal.com/17670.html

Another classic....

Colson set the book back down, splashed water on his face from the tap, and looked at himself in the mirror. “Yer queer, boy. Ya fuck men an it feels real good. An ya loved a man fer yer whole fuckin life. An yer lovin one now.” He stood silent before the mirror after making these pronouncements, his eyes gleaming with emotion, his drawn-down mouth looking doubtful. “An that ain’t gonna change,” he added softly...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 01, 2007, 11:26:49 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 01, 2007, 05:26:12 pm
Chapter 60. The Man I Loved

http://louisev.livejournal.com/17670.html

Another classic....

Colson set the book back down, splashed water on his face from the tap, and looked at himself in the mirror. “Yer queer, boy. Ya fuck men an it feels real good. An ya loved a man fer yer whole fuckin life. An yer lovin one now.” He stood silent before the mirror after making these pronouncements, his eyes gleaming with emotion, his drawn-down mouth looking doubtful. “An that ain’t gonna change,” he added softly...

Leslie

Such a pivotal moment.  I think this is one of my most favorite chapters - so beautifully written with such a  powerful combination of lassitude, overwhelming emotions and self-realization.

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 03, 2007, 10:57:49 am
Chapter 61. Bill's Return

http://louisev.livejournal.com/18173.html

with this classic line:

“Yes, Deputy,” Colson said softly.

Ellery sniffed, nibbled at Colson’s lip before he stepped back. “Chief Deputy Darlin ta you.”


Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 04, 2007, 11:40:47 am
Chapter 62. Standoff

http://louisev.livejournal.com/18293.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 04, 2007, 11:45:29 am
Chapter 63. Tension

http://louisev.livejournal.com/18647.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 04, 2007, 04:17:58 pm
Any comments, anyone?

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 04, 2007, 06:06:49 pm
Here I am!   :)

"But he was having difficulty now, and wasn’t sure what was going to happen if Bill really did get out of his truck and attack Ellery. If Colson were to really lose his temper – Bill could be in real danger."

Uh oh - sounds like there's a story in there somewhere.  I think that there are going to be some very revealing conversations between Colson and Ellery when they gradually start relating more and more of their past histories. 

So Colson lost his mother when he was young and had an older sister - but I don't remember hearing anything about his father yet.  Hmmm.....

Being carried off to a steaming bath by your lover . . . ahhhh  - now that's a tension reliever! 

Looking forward to the barbecue - and Edna! 

Thanks,
Marie

P.S.  Have I mentioned that I love Reynolds?  Every office needs a Reynolds.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 05, 2007, 05:28:39 pm
Chapter 64. Out in Public

http://louisev.livejournal.com/18822.html

Good conversation chapter, and a reminder of the girl on the butter! LOL

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 05, 2007, 05:36:47 pm
Chapter 65. Chief Deputy

Wes is having a barbecue and we are all invited!

http://louisev.livejournal.com/19195.html

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 05, 2007, 06:32:59 pm
Yep, great - and much needed - conversation in Chapter 64.

And from Chapter 65, this cracks me up no matter how many times I read it:

“Ellery Cantrell, I been married to the Sheriff fer forty years, you don’t think I know what fuck means?” The woman smiled primly, thoroughly enjoying Ellery’s blush of embarrassment.

 :laugh:  Edna is probably one of the very few people who can make Ellery blush! 

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 05, 2007, 10:18:55 pm
you bet she is!

that's Edna's job!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 08, 2007, 06:17:26 am
Hello everyone!

Chapter 66. Normal

http://louisev.livejournal.com/19209.html

More goings on at the barbecue...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 08, 2007, 06:25:17 am
A double scoop of chapters, first thing on Friday...

Chapter 67. Monkey Wrench

http://louisev.livejournal.com/19507.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 08, 2007, 12:25:32 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 08, 2007, 06:25:17 am
A double scoop of chapters, first thing on Friday... 

Mmmmm .... and I just licked them right up!  :)

"Colson nodded, feeling a thrill of happiness in his chest. He had gotten through the barbecue, enjoyed the jollity and festive air surrounding Ellery’s colleagues and friends, the good food and beer, and found himself noticing once more that everything felt normal. Perhaps it was that he was breaking out of his long isolation, his hermit’s life, and the days he had spent with Ellery, gradually loosened him from his solitude, that he could quietly enjoy others around him talking without having to do more than nod, smile, and occasionally laugh at a particularly sharp witted joke, usually delivered by Ellery or Wes."

Aww, this made me so happy, but yet the thought that Colson has spent so much time feeling "abnormal" is so heartbreaking. . .


And it's great to see Murdoch in Chapter 67:

Murdoch glanced up soberly at Colson. “We don’t file em under whether they got rust or not sir.”

I love that guy - he sure does come up with some great lines sitting in that fishbowl - reminds me of his recent encounter with Jeremy and Nick.   :laugh:

Thanks, L&L
Marie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 11, 2007, 10:05:40 am
Louise is traveling, but that doesn't mean she is not working!

Chapter 68. Panic

http://louisev.livejournal.com/19848.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 11, 2007, 10:10:45 am
Oooooh boy....

Chapter 69. Something To Hold On To

http://louisev.livejournal.com/20147.html

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 11, 2007, 11:43:01 am
Marie,

I am always grateful for your comments... I never particularly thought of Murdoch as a comedy relief, but something about your comment sort of reminded me / oh yeah, that is kind of funny.

heheh
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on June 11, 2007, 01:15:26 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 11, 2007, 10:10:45 am
Oooooh boy....

Chapter 69. Something To Hold On To

http://louisev.livejournal.com/20147.html

L



Ooooooh boy, indeed!


HAWT damn Louise, that was great!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 11, 2007, 02:21:13 pm
From Chapter 68:

". . .radiating disapproval and then banging the gavel and announcing to everyone present, including strangers, that he had not done right by his family, and his obligation to his daughters was merely to pay for their support."

"Not done right by his family" can mean so many things - is this more Colson backstory to be revealed . . . and "merely to pay for their support" also has an unsettling tone . . .


Quote from: belbbmfan on June 11, 2007, 01:15:26 pm


Ooooooh boy, indeed!


HAWT damn Louise, that was great!

Yep - what she said!  ;D

Thanks L&L,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 11, 2007, 06:53:39 pm
Lots of things go on in this chapter...

Chapter 70. Negotiating

http://louisev.livejournal.com/20393.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 11, 2007, 07:05:13 pm
And the tension builds...

Chapter 71. Preparations

http://louisev.livejournal.com/20582.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 12, 2007, 12:32:48 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 11, 2007, 06:53:39 pm
Lots of things go on in this chapter...

Chapter 70. Negotiating

You can say that again! 

" . . . and Marie Colson opened her his eyes to see Ellery standing nude in the bedroom doorway.

Oops, sorry - my mind wandered!   ;D


Quote from: MaineWriter on June 11, 2007, 07:05:13 pm
And the tension builds...

Chapter 71. Preparations

http://louisev.livejournal.com/20582.html 

It sure does - poor Colson!  But I really like Stew  - and the legal stuff is pitch perfect! 

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 12, 2007, 08:43:58 pm
Louise is in Germany and managed to get this to me before she collapsed from exhaustion!

Chapter 72. Facing The Law

http://louisev.livejournal.com/20774.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 13, 2007, 07:21:34 am
Good morning all...

Chapter 73. Colson's Other Life

http://louisev.livejournal.com/21132.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 13, 2007, 01:20:29 pm
Amos sure is a Grade A double-dyed jackass - but everytime he makes an appearance I can't help but picture him in his teddy and garter belt!   ;D

“You fuddy duddy!” Carol exclaimed before the door shut.

Fuddy duddy?  LOL!!!  I love that - go, Carol! 

Quote from: MaineWriter on June 13, 2007, 07:21:34 am
Good morning all...

Chapter 73. Colson's Other Life

http://louisev.livejournal.com/21132.html

Enjoy!

L

Oh, very enjoyable, indeed -   “Cause I love what it makes ya do.”  - yeah we all do, Ellery!   ;D

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 13, 2007, 08:57:13 pm
And we have reached a very, very historic milestone.

When I discovered "Taking Chances" back in May, 2006, I did a marathon read and at the end of my marathon (I really can't recall how many hours it was...8 maybe?) I was at Chapter 74. Chapter 74 is one of my most favorite chapters of all, with lines like this...


Colson picked up a slice of pizza, steam rising from it as he tried to bite off a piece without burning himself. Ellery waited, watching him.

“Like bein teenagers,” Ellery said, watching him. “Get it on like mad an an hour later feel like doin it all again.”

Colson nodded. “Yeah. Wonder why that is.”

“Well I can think a why, but ya might not like my theory.”

Colson set down his pizza. “Shoot.”

Ellery plucked a pepperoni off the top of his piece and chewed on it thoughtfully. “We’re fallin in love.”

Colson dropped his gaze, staring fixedly at his piece of pizza as though trying to figure out who took a bite out of it.

“Told ya ya might not like my theory.”

“Ellery...” Colson said, his voice low.

“Whassat?” Ellery waited, watching the bowed head.

“I don’t know what ta say....” Colson sighed.

“Don’t tell me this hadn’t occurred to ya, sweetheart. You was with a man fer twenty years. You know how this goes. Bettern I do.”

Yes...so good, so good.

Chapter 74. Already Missing You

http://louisev.livejournal.com/21400.html

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 13, 2007, 09:28:59 pm
Another good chapter!

Chapter 75. Home to Roost

http://louisev.livejournal.com/21559.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 14, 2007, 08:28:16 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 13, 2007, 08:57:13 pm
And we have reached a very, very historic milestone.

When I discovered "Taking Chances" back in May, 2006, I did a marathon read and at the end of my marathon (I really can't recall how many hours it was...8 maybe?) I was at Chapter 74. Chapter 74 is one of my most favorite chapters of all, with lines like this... . . .


That really is a milestone, Leslie!  I remember my own marathon reads when I first discovered "Taking Chances" - couldn't stop, couldn't get enough - and the feeling hasn't changed!   :)

“We’re fallin in love.”

Ahhh.....  a very special chapter, indeed. 


Quote from: MaineWriter on June 13, 2007, 09:28:59 pm
Another good chapter!

Chapter 75. Home to Roost 

I remember being so worried for Ellery, and so angry, once again, at Bill.  >:(

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 15, 2007, 03:51:49 am
well Marie you and all of the other readers, however silent they appear (they are still reading, I have proof!) will be happy since I have gotten some new ideas and Chesterfield is not half over yet and I plan to complete a number of other stories, along with attempting with Leslie to publish 'What I Did On My Day Off' commercially, in hopes of getting a commercial adult publication of 'Taking Chances' which is almost done with the Colson rewrites.

LEGAL NOTE: This story has no reference in it to "Brokeback Mountain" nor any copyrighted material by Simon and Schuster or written by Annie Proulx.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 15, 2007, 10:28:53 am
Hello everyone,

Chapter 76. Looking for Evidence

http://louisev.livejournal.com/21989.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 15, 2007, 10:35:25 am
And another...

Chapter 77. The Tapes

http://louisev.livejournal.com/22078.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on June 15, 2007, 10:43:41 am
*sigh*

I'm twenty chapters or so behind!  :-\


(well, that's because I just finished rereading A Second Chance..., so I'm not complaining  :))

I hope to catch up this weekend.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 15, 2007, 12:58:02 pm
Quote from: louise van hine on June 15, 2007, 03:51:49 am
well Marie you and all of the other readers, however silent they appear (they are still reading, I have proof!) will be happy since I have gotten some new ideas and Chesterfield is not half over yet and I plan to complete a number of other stories, along with attempting with Leslie to publish 'What I Did On My Day Off' commercially, in hopes of getting a commercial adult publication of 'Taking Chances' which is almost done with the Colson rewrites.

LEGAL NOTE: This story has no reference in it to "Brokeback Mountain" nor any copyrighted material by Simon and Schuster or written by Annie Proulx.

Yep, I'm happy!! :D  Great news all around! 


Great Ellery line from Chapter 76:

“Likin me is one thing. Treatin me with respect was somethin he never learned ta do Wayne.”

Yes, a very important distinction.


Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 19, 2007, 07:58:15 am
Chapter 78. Out of the Blue

http://louisev.livejournal.com/22722.html

Louise is in England, getting started at her new job, but still finding time for ranch stiffs like us! Enjoy, everyone...

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 19, 2007, 02:56:11 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 19, 2007, 07:58:15 am
Chapter 78. Out of the Blue

http://louisev.livejournal.com/22722.html

Louise is in England, getting started at her new job, but still finding time for ranch stiffs like us! Enjoy, everyone...

Leslie


LOL!  And we ranch stiffs sure do appreciate it, ma'am.   ;)  Hope everything is going well!

Have I mentioned lately that I love Wes? 

Wes smiled sweetly. “That’s why you got that raise. So my conscience will be completely clear when I call you up nights an burst in on you with emergency situations – oh wait, that’s what you just done ta me! The more fool me.” 

Good one, Wes!   ;D

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 19, 2007, 05:16:25 pm
everything is going quite well, and it is thrilling to see that the editing project on 'Taking Chances' is reaching a visible end-point, at which time we are going to have two pieces of material to announce and to attempt publication.  Then things might get very interesting around Bettermost - well, at least I hope they will.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 19, 2007, 06:14:16 pm
Chapter 79. Passion and Decision

http://louisev.livejournal.com/22846.html

Colson is beginning to realize that Ellery's theory might be true....


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 19, 2007, 06:35:19 pm
Chapter 80. Fingerprints

http://louisev.livejournal.com/23041.html

A chapter with a classic line:

Carol cut in. “But you do, Joe. You should eat less donuts an get out ridin horses, get yerself in shape.”

“Round’s a shape, Carol,” Joe mumbled as she turned to back to her desk at the fishbowl. Colson sipped on his coffee.


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 19, 2007, 06:42:09 pm
Chapter 81. Looking for Clues

http://louisev.livejournal.com/23491.html

Enjoy, everyone!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 19, 2007, 06:50:05 pm
Chapter 82. A Touch of Desperation

http://louisev.livejournal.com/23637.html

The title of this chapter is very appropriate...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 20, 2007, 12:31:40 pm
Wee!  Four chapters  ;D

Another great Carol moment in Chapter 80:

“He is. But he’s bringin those to the old folks home. Old folks like plants, unlike stodgy stick in the muds like you Ellery.”   

 :laugh:  Love it - she called Ellery a "fuddy duddy" a few chapters back and now he's a "stodgy stick in the mud."


Yes, Chapter 82 is very aptly titled.

".....his eyes raining tears of relief mingled with despair, and he tumbled, all the way down, into a dark ravine where he hoped he would find Ellery once more, when they both finally stopped falling." 

Wow.

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 21, 2007, 03:07:43 pm
Chapter 83. Facing It

http://louisev.livejournal.com/23831.html

Enjoy...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 21, 2007, 03:16:02 pm
Chapter 84. Homecoming

http://louisev.livejournal.com/24126.html

A homecoming that doesn't go all that well...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 21, 2007, 03:37:39 pm
Chapter 85. Avoidance

http://louisev.livejournal.com/24444.html

More hard conversations...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 21, 2007, 09:23:46 pm
A late night offering from our favorite author....

Chapter 86. Making Changes

http://louisev.livejournal.com/24750.html

Enjoy!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 21, 2007, 09:42:38 pm
What beautifully written, emotionally charged chapters these are. 

Even this bold move, giving him a new career and the hope of love once more, spoiled by the grim, silent dismay of the only other person whose esteem he truly valued, because the other twin, Pam, and his ex-wife Laura, had shut him out years ago.

Hard to imagine how gut-wrenching it is for Colson to basically strip himself naked in the face of his daughter's disapproval and disappointment.

Thanks, L&L!
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 21, 2007, 09:49:02 pm
Chapter 87. Moving In

http://louisev.livejournal.com/24864.html

More good stuff...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 06:58:55 am
Chapter 88. Reaction

http://louisev.livejournal.com/25314.html

Doughboys are burnin...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 07:07:16 am
Chapter 89. Drinking

http://louisev.livejournal.com/25530.html

For those in the US, where it is still Friday and a workday, this chapter might be considered, um, not work safe. You've been warned!

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 07:15:04 am
Chapter 90. Regrets

http://louisev.livejournal.com/25645.html

Another favorite...God is wringin out his warsh and other special moments...

L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: belbbmfan on June 22, 2007, 08:58:40 am
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 07:15:04 am
Chapter 90. Regrets

http://louisev.livejournal.com/25645.html

Another favorite...God is wringin out his warsh and other special moments...

L

Yes, special moments indeed.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 22, 2007, 12:48:15 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 07:07:16 am

For those in the US, where it is still Friday and a workday, this chapter might be considered, um, not work safe. You've been warned!

L

I know, I know - but I have absolutely no willpower when it comes to this story!   :laugh:

Yep, you both said it - many special moments in these pivotal chapters. 

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 22, 2007, 01:59:18 pm
I am putting on the big push to finish the edits on this book tonight so it can go to final Leslieizing before putting together a final galley manuscript.  Stay tuned, then I will be devoting myself to Chesterfield this weekend.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 04:11:16 pm
Chapter 91. A New Life

http://louisev.livejournal.com/26077.html

"Deputy Dickhead"! LOL...

L
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Post by: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 04:19:06 pm
Chapter 92. Theorizing

http://louisev.livejournal.com/26077.html

More theories! More not worksafe hot Colson and Ellery action! More...

Enjoy!

L
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Post by: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 04:28:56 pm
Chapter 93. Dirty Business

http://louisev.livejournal.com/26423.html

Oh, Gene at the door...

L
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Post by: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 04:34:03 pm
Chapter 94. Oblivious

http://louisev.livejournal.com/26681.html

More to enjoy...

L
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Post by: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 05:10:36 pm
Chapter 95. Meanwhile Back At The Ranch

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27121.html

A big storm is brewing in Tourmaline....

L
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Post by: MaineWriter on June 22, 2007, 05:38:54 pm
Chapter 96. Brass Tacks

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27284.html

"Ellery Cantrell is like the son Edna an me couldn’t ever have."

Enjoy...

L
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Post by: louisev on June 22, 2007, 09:14:44 pm
I have revived the Index and edited it so there is an easy reference to the book on Livejournal:


http://zebratta.livejournal.com/472.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 22, 2007, 11:01:13 pm
You weren't kidding about the big push, Louise.  Great "Leslieizing," Leslie  :)

Gene sure is a little twerp.  Of course, the upside of that is watching Ellery deal with the little twerp  ;D

Ellery leaned down and put a long hand on his bare, muscular shoulder, patting it. “Well then you come runnin down ta Uncle Ellery an he’ll arrange fer witness protection for ya, an you can tell me all about it while the hairdresser turns you into a brunette.”

Can't believe I forgot about this line:

Edna brought in the biscuits first, and Colson took a breath, glanced up at Ellery. “These look good, Edna,” Ellery said on cue. “Wouldn’t a wanted ta find out what would happen if they’d burned.”

Good thing they didn't burn. In a few weeks, Edna won't be able to look at a jar of Vaseline the way she used to.  We sure wouldn't want her to become uncomfortable around biscuits too!   ;D

Awww. . . . sniff - love this part:

Wes clapped Colson on the shoulder. “Now I ain’t gonna say nothin more about this, Colson, an what I say is jest between me an you. Ellery Cantrell is like the son Edna an me couldn’t ever have. But he is just miserable at takin care of himself. I’d like you ta look after that for me too. Can ya do that?”

Colson blushed red, but found himself nodding. “Yes sir. I’ll do my best.” 

Thanks,
Marie

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on June 23, 2007, 04:44:23 am
question for you rereaders:

Does 'Taking Chances' end with an actual end?  We are considering publishing that book in its entirety, yet it is clear that the search for Adam's killer, and Colson's new job as a horse wrangler, has barely got underway, not to mention the open case against Bill Early.  Are there too many loose ends?  I know that the Harry Potter series had some cliff hangers, but I don't want it to seem as though the book is written just to leave people dangling.  It's good for sales of the next book, but I also want it to have an actual conclusion of its own.

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Post by: opinionista on June 23, 2007, 06:10:21 am
Quote from: louise van hine on June 23, 2007, 04:44:23 am
question for you rereaders:

Does 'Taking Chances' end with an actual end?  We are considering publishing that book in its entirety, yet it is clear that the search for Adam's killer, and Colson's new job as a horse wrangler, has barely got underway, not to mention the open case against Bill Early.  Are there too many loose ends?  I know that the Harry Potter series had some cliff hangers, but I don't want it to seem as though the book is written just to leave people dangling.  It's good for sales of the next book, but I also want it to have an actual conclusion of its own.


Actually, each Harry Potter book has a conclusion of its own, with the exception of book 6 that more or less ends with cliff hanger but the rest don't. Mysteries pertaining to each book are resolved before the end. The author, however, leaves a few mysteries unsolved but most of it is background information about Harry's parents, Harry himself or some other character. J.K Rowling author starts all books anew and even repeats information from previous books to refresh the reader's minds.  The only book series I have read that end in cliffhanger is The Lord of the Rings trilogy, but not Harry Potter.

About your story, I think you could merge the books but you might have to delete a few scenes and rewrite a few others. I think the whole saga is too long to read in one book. IMO that is.

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Post by: MaineWriter on June 23, 2007, 10:56:52 am
Chapter 97. Confrontation

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27630.html

in which Bill Early makes his reappearance...

L
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Post by: MaineWriter on June 23, 2007, 11:39:50 am
Chapter 98. Afterward

http://louisev.livejournal.com/27840.html

The end of the volume....


L
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 23, 2007, 11:53:09 am
Quote from: louise van hine on June 23, 2007, 04:44:23 am
question for you rereaders:

Does 'Taking Chances' end with an actual end?  We are considering publishing that book in its entirety, yet it is clear that the search for Adam's killer, and Colson's new job as a horse wrangler, has barely got underway, not to mention the open case against Bill Early.  Are there too many loose ends?  I know that the Harry Potter series had some cliff hangers, but I don't want it to seem as though the book is written just to leave people dangling.  It's good for sales of the next book, but I also want it to have an actual conclusion of its own.



Louise, I need to ponder that a bit, which I'll do during my Saturday errands and chores.  

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on June 23, 2007, 09:14:28 pm
Well, I've pondered, and, while I agree that there are loose ends, I do believe there is a conclusion.  I've found the main theme of "Taking Chances" to be just what the title infers - Colson taking a chance by walking into the Red Stallion, which sets off a series of events through which he starts to come to terms with his true self.  He still has a way to go - that is clear - but by the closing lines of the last chapter he has come out to his daughter, moved to a new town, moved in with Ellery, and, for the first time in his life, openly declared his love for his man.  For me, this qualifies as a conclusion.

I don't think I'd consider Colson's new job as a horse wrangler a loose end, so to speak, because he has a firm offer in hand and has accepted.  Yes, it's interesting to see him working and honing his skills and we know that he's going to be learning some new skills regarding paso finos, but I wouldn't really consider those loose ends. 

Of course, the search for Adam's killer and the Bill Early matters are loose ends, and they serve as a important factors in bringing Ellery and Colson closer together, and in Colson's self-discovery, but I don't consider those threads to be the main focus of this first book. 

I've been bringing to mind other series of books that I've enjoyed in thinking about how "loose ends" are handled.   The first series that comes to mind  is the Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon.  I believe at this point there are six books in that series with plans for at least two more.  These are hard to define by genre - historical novels mixed with an unorthodox romance, time travel, celtic mysticism, political intrigue and plenty of mystery. By the end of the first book, the only thing that is really "settled" is that the two main characters are together and making plans to escape to a new country, but there are many, many loose ends.  And there are many, many loose ends at the end of each of the five subsequent books in the series, because we keep being introduced to new characters whose own problems become intertwined with the main characters.  Every one of the books in this series ends with a cliffhanger of sorts.  According to the author, one of the main mysteries, introduced at the very beginning of the first book, will not be answered until the last page of the last book.

Another series that comes to mind is the Lymond Chronicles by Dorothy Dunnett. While each book in the series takes place in a different locale with a different set of problems for the hero to overcome, the series also leaves loose ends from book to book, sometimes picking up new mysteries along the way.   

I guess what I'm taking an awful long time to say is that I think there can be a conclusion along with loose ends and cliffhangers - and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.  And in the case of your books - definitely a good thing. 

Hope that helped.  :)

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2007, 11:01:30 am
I worked on just this question this week, and also talked with an editor who has proposed serving as our agent in representing the Greenlea County tales, but our discussion is still preliminary.

My proposed idea is to end the first book at chapter 74 and splicing into it part of chapter 79.  Chapter 74 was my original intended ending before adding the pornography ring plot.  And now that I have had time to think about the overarching plots and themes, I am seriously considering removing the porn ring plot and simply leaving the hidden camera and amateur video thing, which would STILL get Bill 10 years if he only had one underage boy in one film.

Then the remaining action of the return to Prescott will go to the next book arc.  this editor told me that your average 'commercial novel' is 20 to 40,000 words. I was stunned!  The SHORTEST Greenlea book installment is 94,000 words.  EGAD!


So I have compiled a synopsis of all of the Greenlea Tales, which, you may not be surprised to know, encompasses the six primary books, which I provided in synopsis form.

And as of today, I am opening up 'Taking Chances' in its revised form, to the public.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 01, 2007, 04:16:24 pm
and here it is!  Open to the public once more:

http://zebratta.livejournal.com/472.html  "Taking Chances:  Synopsis and Index" with a newly drafted synopsis.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 02, 2007, 11:18:50 pm
...

and holy mackerel!  The highest hit counts I have had in six months on the website.  Thank you all for reading - it gives me courage that "Taking Chances" in its new form is a viable work to publish.

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Post by: louisev on July 08, 2007, 02:24:00 pm
okay ... I got us into a bit of a dilemma with my epic-sized novels.  As Leslie and I do research on publishing, we discover that outside the genre of science fiction and fantasy, it is extremely rare to get commercial publication of a novel if it exceeds 100,000 words.  "Taking Chances" the Fan version I put on LJ, came to a whopping 156.000 words.  So I took a deep breath and... took a slice out of the cake.  Not permanently, you understand, but I did rework the section on Bill and the porn films and the lopped off section from chapter 75 I am putting into the next book.  Ultimately we expect that "Taking Chances" will be whittled down some, but 120,000 is in the actual novel sized ballpark, and we would like it to be published in that form.  It has a beginning, a middle, and an end.

However, that leaves us in a dilemma.  Version 3 is now on my LJ, and now I need to consider whether to start another LJ for "Looking for Answers" in order to keep the books straight.
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 08, 2007, 06:12:48 pm
and the solution!

tcreader.livejournal.com

Now has the complete "Taking Chances - New Sleek Shorter Edition"

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/664.html

With an easy index of the 74 chapters of the revised edition.

Soon I will have the first 30 chapters of the revised edition of "Looking for Answers" on tcreader.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on July 08, 2007, 10:15:05 pm
Excellent, Louise!  The new journal is already marked in my favorites. 


When they let go of each other, Colson gave him a wink and a smirk. “I like kissin ya better when yer wearin that uniform.”

“I’ll have it on when ya get back.”

“You better.”

Love that ending!   :)

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 09, 2007, 05:53:58 am
and now... for the beginning of...

Looking for Answers

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/24162.html  it starts where the 'old' Taking chances left off, which is now Looking for Answers Chapter 19
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: MaineWriter on July 10, 2007, 10:43:54 am
The "new" Looking for Answers begins here, with Chapter 1

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/2007/07/09/#item19653

Leslie
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Post by: belbbmfan on July 10, 2007, 01:33:20 pm
I like the new look. Very easy to go from one chapter to the next. That makes for a good marathon reading session when i get back!  :)
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2007, 02:28:57 pm
here is chapter 20 of the 'new' Looking for Answers.

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/24397.html  "Adjustments"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 15, 2007, 06:18:53 pm
 
and another:

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/24820.html  21:  Departure
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 17, 2007, 05:02:24 pm
here is chapter 22, Colson goes to the Red Stallion and attracts attention!

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/25086.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on July 17, 2007, 06:38:11 pm
Quote from: louise van hine on July 17, 2007, 05:02:24 pm
here is chapter 22, Colson goes to the Red Stallion and attracts attention!

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/25086.html

Of course he does, how could he not?   ;D

Ellery is about to begin digging into the mystery surrounding Adam's death and I'm excited to learn more now that you're not being forced to - how did you put it? - 'stuff a big rooster into a little jar' (or something like that).   

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 18, 2007, 02:26:07 am
Stuff a seven-pound rooster in a two quart jar.

Hee hee.

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 20, 2007, 10:18:09 pm
ok chapter 23:

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/25150.html  "23: Clues and Questions"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on July 20, 2007, 11:22:45 pm
Oh, this is excellent, Louise.  God, I love watching Ellery kick ass - and he certainly had every reason.  What an unbelievable mess, unbelievable being the key word.

Thanks,
Marie 
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2007, 10:20:15 am
Quote from: mariez on July 20, 2007, 11:22:45 pm
Oh, this is excellent, Louise.  God, I love watching Ellery kick ass - and he certainly had every reason.  What an unbelievable mess, unbelievable being the key word.

Thanks,
Marie 

hehehe... kicking ass is a specialty of his!

and now

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/25559.html  "Chapter 24:  The Victim"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2007, 03:20:08 pm
...and chapter 25:  "The Ghost"

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/25709.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2007, 04:23:25 pm

and here is chapter 26:

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/25975.html  "Unofficial Investigation"
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 22, 2007, 06:13:59 pm

Looking for Answers chapter 27:  "Friction"

http://tcreader.livejournal.com/26149.html
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: frantic65 on July 23, 2007, 11:02:07 pm
Hi,
I'm late to the party, but it seems like pictures may have been posted giving the reader an idea of what some of the main characters look like. Could someone repost them if possible?? There's a hell of a lot of pages to go through if I'm wrong about it. Thank you.

I know these are reworked from the originals, which I never read, so I may not be adding anything new, but I am just so intrigued by the dynamics Ellery's bad back adds to the entire story. Ellery's insecurities about whether Colson will continue to be with him if he is unable to satisfy him sexually is heart breaking, especially since his injuries were pretty much self-inflicted, and Colson's guilt at thinking every twinge Ellery feels is his fault just makes me want to give him a big hug.

I also enjoy how the fringe characters keep getting more complex & I'm guessing some of them will get their moments in the spotlight as the storyline progresses.

I'm really just having a great time reading this-thanks for giving these stories a second chance & me a first chance to read them!!

Fran
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 24, 2007, 03:10:17 am

yes there is a gallery, with many of the pictures of the "fringe characters" still on there. Many of the photo manips depicting Heath have been taken down, for reasons of discretion.

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,3719.0.html

And don't worry about being late to the party, Fran - outside the fan readers of the first edition of the tale, there are quite a few new readers, and a great number of "re-readers!"

And yes, many if not post of the characters who show up in "Looking for Answers" and "A Second Chance" are featured further on in follow-on tales.  Stick with it through the edits, and I'll try to roll them out in good time because they are all written!

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Post by: MaineWriter on July 24, 2007, 07:48:59 am
Hey Fran, welcome! Glad to have you here!

Louise directed you to the gallery which has some great pictures, recipes, picture puzzle games, who knows what else. Enjoy and enjoy the story as we roll it out...

Leslie
Louise's "partner in crime" as well as moderator for the writing boards
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Post by: frantic65 on July 24, 2007, 09:12:50 am
Thank you Louise for the link to the pix gallery. My imagination did not do justice to any of the characters, lord help me!

Thanks for the warm welcome Leslie. I'm delvalmom at EJ/LJ & DC but for some reason used a different user name when I signed up here. Not sure what I was thinking.

Anyway, looking forward to more good reading. Thank you again.

Fran
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Post by: mariez on July 24, 2007, 01:22:14 pm
Hi Fran - nice to meet you and it's great to have you here!  :)  I'm a re-re-re-re-reader myself, but there's really no such thing as being late to the party.  These stories are addictive, aren't they? 

I like your comment about the role that Ellery's back injury plays in the story - very insightful and so true.  Underneath all the bravado and cockiness, Ellery is a scared little boy looking for true love.  And, yeah, I want to hug Colson, too.  And be prepared to get very attached to many of the fringe characters - many of whom don't remain out on the fringes for very long!  As for the characters getting more complex - well.........just wait!   :laugh:

You're in for a great ride that just keeps getting better and better.

Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: frantic65 on July 24, 2007, 02:37:42 pm
Hi Marie,
Nice to meet you too! I think I need a re-read of "Taking Chances" already because I devoured it rather quickly & probably need a slower look at it.

I've read Louise's summaries for the other books in the chronicles & they all sound so great, but I will have to be patient & read them as they are revised.  :-\

It's all good though. I'm sure we'll be chatting again soon!

Fran
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on July 27, 2007, 12:28:30 pm
I made my first post at Bettermost on this thread on December 4, 2006, so I thought it only fitting that I make my 1,000th post here, too.   :)  (and thanks to Marleen for bringing my attention to the fact that I was at 999!)

Thanks for starting this thread, Leslie!  And, of course, my heartfelt thanks to you, Louise, for the enjoyment you've given me - and continue to give me - with your stories.  You are one-of-a-kind - and I mean that in the best way possible. 

 :-*
Marie
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Post by: MaineWriter on July 27, 2007, 12:32:07 pm
Oh, thank you, Marie, and congratulations on reaching 1000 posts! Dance on over to the 1000 posts club where someone, ie me, is waiting to teach you the sekrit handshake!

Leslie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 27, 2007, 03:34:53 pm
Marie, you are very welcome, and congratulations on your landmark post!

I just love getting up every day and reading your daily comment on my chapter (when I post one that day there is).  I had high hopes for this weekend and realized too late I have to finish my prerequisite computer based training courses before I can walk in Monday morning in London.  Yi yi yi!  So I am hopeful of a chapter tonight but ... it depends on how the CBT goes!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 29, 2007, 05:13:58 pm
okey dokey...

I am heading out early tomorrow morning for the beginning of what promises to be two grueling weeks on the road and staying at hotels.  And I am not sure I will have consistent access for my week in Egham starting tomorrow.  I asked for the room with the wifi but it might not work, so access might be off and on.  At any rate, the show goes on and I am editing again!

I managed to plough through a number of edited chapters of "Looking for Answers" today after getting chapter 51 done of Chesterfield and here they are:


http://tcreader.livejournal.com/26149.html  Chapter 27: Friction
http://tcreader.livejournal.com/26451.html  Chapter 28: An Unknown Face
http://tcreader.livejournal.com/26451.html  Chapter 29: Powderkeg
http://tcreader.livejournal.com/27148.html  Chapter 30: Crisis
http://tcreader.livejournal.com/27460.html  Chapter 31: Helpless
http://tcreader.livejournal.com/27665.html  Chapter 32:  Eye Contact

note that starting with the July 9 entries (Looking for Answers chapter 1) the tcreader site now features LJ-Cuts for easy reading and Flisting!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on July 29, 2007, 05:33:00 pm
Louise,  I do hope everything goes smoothly and the two grueling weeks aren't too grueling  ;)!  Thanks for the six chapters - I know what I'm doing tonight.

Take care,
Marie

P.S. The L.J. cuts are great!
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: frantic65 on July 29, 2007, 06:22:13 pm
Louise,
Thanks for the updates-I was missing my new men!!

Have a safe trip & I selfishly hope that wifi works well for you. If not, at least I know why there might be a gap before my next fix!!

Fran
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on July 29, 2007, 06:54:24 pm
I am going to be plugging away at this... this past week was ... pretty frantic, and I was working some long hours, but I won't have much to do at the hotel but eat and... edit.  Even if I cant be online regularly, I will be able to get updates in at least once a day, so no worries there!

Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: mariez on July 30, 2007, 03:25:36 pm
SPOILERS




The intensity of these chapters never diminishes, no matter how many times I read them.  Colson's pain is so raw and palpable it jumps right off the screen.  It's hard to watch and even harder to experience, but no one can short-circuit the grieving process. 

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
Post by: louisev on August 05, 2007, 11:28:08 am
and here are some more! reminders of that horny cowboy and his detective man with a bad back in the early days of making do!


http://tcreader.livejournal.com/28043.html   Chapter 33:  Intervention
http://tcreader.livejournal.com/28174.html   Chapter 34:  Out on Leave
http://tcreader.livejournal.com/28625.html   Chapter 35:  Under Watch
http://tcreader.livejournal.com/28691.html   Chapter 36:  Desire
http://tcreader.livejournal.com/29012.html   Chapter 37: Slower